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I would like to call the August 26th, 2026 meeting of the Camarillo City Council. The CSD, the CLB and the SA to order with the city clerk conduct a roll call.
Roll call, called by City Clerk
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A quorum is present
Thank you, Vice Mayor. Would the City Attorney read the closed session items A and B please?
Yes thank you mayor we have two items on closed session one under government code section 54956.9 D1 related to the OPV coalition versus Fox Canyon. We also have real property negotiations pursuant to government code section 54956.8 Thank you madam clerk do we have any public comments on closed session. No Sir.
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Good evening. I'd
like to call the August 26, 2026 regular meeting of the Camarillo City Council, Camarillo Sanitation District, Camarillo Library Board and successor agency to order. Will the city clerk please call roll?
Council member Santangelo. Here. Vice mayor Martinez Bravo. Here. Council member Kildee.
Here
Mayor Tennyson.
Here
council member Tremblay is absent a quorum is present
Council Member Kildee, would you be so kind as to lead us in the flag
salute? I pledge
allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you sir
Are there any changes to the agenda?
No changes.
Hearing none, we will move on. Madam Clerk are there any public speakers on any items not on the agenda?
We have one speaker. Each speaker will have three minutes when your time expires, you will be muted and
we will move on to the next speaker. General public comment will be heard for an initial 20 minute period. Council will receive comments for up to six or seven speakers during this period. If after all final requests by the mayor to the city clerk for any further public comment either in person or remotely is made and there is no response, general public comment will be closed. If additional speakers beyond the 20 minutes request to speak those speakers will be heard at the end of the meeting after all agenda items.
The first speaker's name is Blanca.
Blanca welcome
Good evening mayor and council members. As this Council spends its Council updates informing the community about the meetings you attended, the events that you attended, the concerts in the park that you enjoyed I will use my public comment time to update this community on something far more urgent what is happening to our neighbors our families and our community As of yesterday, 2,530 people across the 805 area code have been abducted. 1,228 people within Ventura County and of that right here in Camarillo 517 people These are not just numbers, these are 517 people whose lives have been disrupted and whose families have been impacted.
I will also be speaking later this meeting during the agenda item regarding FLOC and ALPR technology and i want to make something very clear of those 517 people in Camarillo we cannot know how many Good morning, everyone. I want to start by saying that the impact of COVID-19 may have been impacted by this Council's decisions surrounding a LPR technology and the handling We say that is false.
When you chose to expand the use of those cameras and when there were failures in protecting properly overseeing that data, those decisions have consequences. Those 517 people and their families may have been impacted by your negligence. I will continue to use my time to talk about the people in our community who don't have the luxury of treating this crisis as just another item on the agenda. Thank you.
Mayor Tennis and we have additional speakers okay, the next speaker is Chris has been followed by Bruce little.
My name is Bruce Little. I live at 1327 Las Posas Road in Camarillo. I'm retired, but by training I'm a scientist and I've also owned a small business. I oppose the installation and expansion of electronic surveillance systems Whether installed by flock safety acts
on Sir, I'm going to ask you that is a specific agenda item. So if you could make your comments at that point when it's on the agenda which should be shortly. Okay, thank you okay.
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Just checking one more time for Chris Espinoza
Welcome Mr. Espinoza.
Apologies Council, I removed my name from public comment. I'm actually going to speak to agenda item S.
Sounds great thank you.
There are no other speakers.
Hearing that we will move on to the library update and annual report from Library Director Mandy.
Good evening, Mayor David Tennyson and Library Trustees. One City, One Book is a nationwide community reading program to inspire community conversations. The One City, One Book program was created in 1998 by librarian Nancy Pearl and has since become popular in libraries nationwide. In 2012 the Camarillo Board of Library Trustees approved the program for the Camarillo Public Library and we have nicknamed it Camarillo Reads.
The Camarillo Public Library Camera Reads Committee has selected The Night We Lost Him by Laura Dave for Camera Reads 2026. Laura Dave lives in Santa Monica and is a New York Times best-selling author of several books, including The Last Thing He Told Me and 800 Grapes. Her books have been published in 39 languages and have been chosen by Reese Witherspoon's Book Club. The Night We Lost Him is an intriguing mystery and has been listed as one of the Barnes & Noble Best Books of the Year.
This year, the library will host additional camera reads program that relate to themes of the book including a navigating group workshop, a pressed flower memory jar activity and a gelato night and book discussion. We are also excited to offer a group tour at Adamson House in Santa Monica. The Camarillo Reads author talk will be on Sunday, September 27th at 2 p.m., in the community room. Free tickets will be available at the second floor reference desk beginning September 1st.
All of our Camarillo Reads programming is through the generous sponsorship of the Friends of the Camarillo Library and I'm excited to now showcase the City of Camarillo Public Library annual report and here are some of our highlights from last fiscal year. Just a note that our library annual report is web-based, and I have taken screen grabs of the website that highlight our community engagement learning partnership and support.
So the library provides an enriched environment where people can live, work and play. We were honored to be selected as Community Partner of the Year by Autism Society Ventura County. We also made many technology improvements including a new 12 bay laptop dispenser located on the second floor of the library. The library takes pride in community connection and promoting lifelong learning through our various programs. We conducted a library survey this past January, and comments from our patrons include that they enjoy our camera reads event, our seed bank, and our community exchange display.
This year, as you know, we also launched the Teen Civic Engagement Club to create better opportunities for future leaders. A total of 97 teens participated and the program encouraged teens to speak at City Council meetings about issues that were important to them. The library provides an environment that encourages learning for all ages. We were proud to honor five Career Online High School graduates this past spring. In addition, our Russell Fisher Business Collection offered many career workshops including an Ask An HR Expert panel that covered topics such as finding jobs in Ventura County. They offered resume advice and how to negotiate salary and benefits.
I'm going to do a fiscal year comparison. We saw many collection gains this fiscal year compared to last year, so there was an increase of over 56,000 checkouts in our physical items and an increase of 21,000 with our electronic materials which include hoopla canopy and Libby and the library issued 1,689 more library cards this year than last year. When it comes to programming, we also exceeded our numbers from last fiscal year. 229 library programs were added and over 5,000 more attendees showed up.
The library also saw an increase of 21,000 more visitors coming through our doors. I'm grateful to city leadership, staff and our amazing community for their dedication and support of the library. I encourage you to view the entire annual report online which is located on our library's website and after tonight we'll post a link of the annual report to our social media channels.
The QR code is on display in our library lobby for patrons to view and I will be submitting this report to our California State Librarian. And that concludes my report and I am happy to address any questions.
Any questions for Mandy? Thank
you very much for your presentation. Thank you for your work and the critical work that is being done at the library. Our city residents enjoy so many programs. I've been there where you had little toddlers and folks who are elderly show up for just different events, and I know that it extends beyond just Camarillo residents. We have SOMA's farmworker housing right next door, and I've seen some more families really taking advantage in joining the efforts and the resources that are being offered and truly sharing their appreciation for that too.
So just again, it brings such life to the city of Camarillo and I'm very thankful for that.
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No Kevin. Yeah, many of you know he just got off a real busy season I know that the summer months are extremely busy but good job we're all just so proud of our library and ditto to what we have our tradition here is ditto and ditto with my colleague Martita just said it's
great
thank you
Mandy, I want to thank you for taking a city council strategy and bringing it to life with our teen civic engagement. Hopefully other council members will have an opportunity to engage with these bright young teenagers high school and I think maybe some middle school. And I found them very engaging. They showed up several months ago and spoke during public comments, and they were remarkable poised articulate in well prepared for it.
I also particularly enjoy the opportunity to read to toddlers. I know that the vice mayor did it, I did it, I don't read, I acted out and it's just such a joy to engage with the teens even more of a joy to engage with toddlers maybe because one of them was my two-and-a-half year old granddaughter but it's just something that I think brings... The toddler event was packed mostly with grandparents and kids But fantastic job, thank you very much for everything you've done.
Thank you mayor.
Next up we have a presentation with Jessica Ouellette and if I mispronounced her name I apologize it's the coastal cleanup day take it away.
Thank you so much. Good evening, Mayor Tennyson and City Council members. I am Jessica Ouellette, the Camarillo Stormwater Program Manager and I will be sharing information about this year's Coastal Cleanup Day event. The annual event will be held on Saturday, September 19th, 2026 from 9am to 12 noon. Coastal Cleanup Day is an international event and cleaning local beaches isn't the only aim of Coastal Cleanup Day. Another important goal is to document and study the type of trash collected during the event to gather information on where it could have come from and how long it would take to disintegrate.
Ever since its inception more than 40 years ago, International Coastal Cleanup Day has seen over 6 million people volunteer over 90 countries. Last year in Camarillo's two locations, a total of 176 volunteers removed 1,324 pounds of trash and recyclables. Food wrappers and plastic waste were the largest quantity of trash collected. We are grateful to the volunteers who volunteered their time to help keep Camarillo beautiful.
Last year in Ventura County, over 900 volunteers removed 7,687 pounds of trash and recyclables from 18 inland and coastal sites. The Ocean Conservancy has not released the results of the 2025 International Coastal Cleanup Day event, so these are their results from the 2024 event. Statewide in 2024 over 46,000 volunteers removed almost 497,000 pounds of trash and recyclables.
As can be seen in this table, the top item collected in California was again the cigarette butt with over 79,000 collected statewide at last year's event. In the United States, over 144,000 volunteers worked together to collect and remove over 2 million pounds of trash and recyclables. Globally, over 486,000 volunteers removed almost 7.5 million pounds of trash and recyclables with the top item collected worldwide being food wrappers.
Camarillo will again be hosting 2 locations for this year's event. One cleanup site is in the Michael Barranca, located in the Michenoaks Park at Michenoaks Boulevard and Oak Canyon Road. Volunteers please meet in the grass area next to the tennis courts. The second location is in Cayagas Creek. Volunteers please meet in the creek at the intersection of Paseo del Campo and Creekside Rd.
Since we are trying to make this a zero waste event, we encourage volunteers to bring their own bags, reusable water bottles and gloves. We will supply a data card to record statistics on what the volunteers are removing from the waterway. This information is put into the Ocean Conservancy's international database. Good morning and thank you for joining us today. It may be a warm day and we do encourage volunteers to wear appropriate attire so please no flip-flops the terrain in Cuyahoga's Creek is not suitable for strollers are small children. So we do encourage volunteers with small children it to go to the mission oaks Park.
As a token of our We will have a limited number Part of the annual event is to collect data on the trash collected, which is then compiled into a worldwide database by the Ocean Conservancy. Although we will provide data cards at the event, we do encourage volunteers to download and use the Clean Swell Data Collection app to record their finds and be counted towards the volunteer and trash totals for Camarillo.
This year's event will be held on Saturday, September 19th 2026 from 9am to 12 noon. Thank you for supporting this important initiative in Camarillo. This concludes my presentation and I am available to answer any questions. Thank you.
Any questions for Jessica? Comments have a comment make it Mister kill
the yeah, I try to go to this every unfortunate had another commitment last year. But if anybody's out there and if you want to really do something that really in my opinion makes you feel really good try to This is kind of our way in a very, very small way to maybe do our part to try to do that so. Thanks for you know spearing this up and heading this
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Wanted to thank you for being here and for your presentation. I try to get out there every year, but sometimes my work schedule gets in the way. But thank you and to the general public, I hope you all can enjoy this day as well. If you can't get out to this place maybe pick up trash around your neighborhood. Thank you.
That's a good call to action. Thank you for the presentation I try to go every year and I take my entire family. It becomes a little scavenger hunt type of activity that we really enjoy so thank you to all the volunteers who have participated in the past and I also encourage each everyone of you to go on the only question that I do
So we do, we do do the social media posts and I can make sure that I reach out to the schools directly. To give them a like a poster to make sure that they can provide that to their students and make sure that that the Boy Scouts in the Girl Scouts are well aware of the event.
Okay thank you.
Thank
you so much
Thank you, great job. I guess the one thing I would say is put your trash in a trash container. I know up at Mission Oaks Park they're all over the place and it's so easy to do but I'm glad we have citizen volunteers that are willing to go out and pick up other people's trash. So thank you.
Thank you everyone
Okay, Council comments. Mr. Kildee would you go first?
Yes I attended Monday August 24th the Investment Committee meeting hang on here and yesterday I have a rabbi friend of mine, and it's Rabbi Lang. And he had an individual that gave a talk at Rancho Campana, and he was in captivity by Hamas for 738 days. Sorry it's a little emotional talking about this. The gentleman in question was 23 years old and he was at He was taken along with a number of his friends.
And on the way out, he made the conscientious decision to go back and help some of his friends who were under great, great duress there. And he was taken from there and he was taken into Gaza For I'm trying to queue it up here again. It was 738 days, he's 23 years old. He didn't have any contact with his family for 2 years and finally he was released and his name is Yosef Hayim Ohana.
And it was very interesting And they asked him, how did you survive? that long in those kind of condition and he said he never lost his faith. He never lost his faith in himself, he never lost his faith in his religion that he preaches, he never lost faith in his country and he never lost faith in his friends and that kept him alive for all of this times nuts and bolts in the weeds about what happened to him when he was captive, but we can only imagine what his life must have been there.
He came out with a great, great appreciation of life. And I thought wow you know here's a very young guy 23 years old that lost basically two years of his life and he came out with a story of promise and a story of gratitude for his family and nation And, you know, his religion to help him kind of go to the next level and live the rest of his life. It wasn't like an uplifting story per se but there was a lot of uplifting parts with this and I thought wow we all can really learn a lot from that so I want to thank the rabbi for having him here it was up at Rancho Campana I think it would be something
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Thank you for sharing that, Council Member Kildee. I truly appreciate it. On Wednesday July 29th, I actually forgot to mention this last time when my colleagues presented this part but I was also at the V.C., at the Shots Fired event, One Officer's Journey Back. This was an event that thank you Chief Tennyson for helping to organize and to bring Officer Michael Martinez here Officer Michael Martinez, he gave a testimony and shared his personal story of the trauma resulting from multiple officer involved shootings.
And it was a very powerful testimony that provided us just or at least for me because I'm not a police officer but it provided me with a glimpse into the The significant impacts that these experiences have on our police officers regarding trauma and mental health and physical well-being as well. Our officers are human beings too, and I'm very thankful for their sacrifice out on the field every single day.
On August 20th, I attended the Information and Technologies Facilities Committee meeting with Mayor Tennyson. And on August 20th I attended the Economic Development and Collaborative meeting. That's all I have.
Thank you Councilmember Santangelo
Thank you, Mayor. Okay on August 17th I attended the Healthy Camarillo Ad Hoc Committee and that was with Council Member Tremblay. On August 20th I attended the CPA Executive Committee and then later that day I attended The new leadership Ventura County, which is the former VCLA. And on August 24th I attended the investment committee and earlier today the CPA finance committee and that's all I have.
Thank you. The vice mayor already reported the information and technologies and facilities committee meeting also that day I I'm glad to be of service on I also wanted to bring up, and I wish I'd have mentioned it when our library director was here. The United States and the world lost a champion of literacy yesterday when Dolly Parton, an icon of country music passed away. She created an organization 30-ish years ago called Imagination Library And I know the County Board of Supervisors recognized it about a month, month and a half ago. And she presented books to needy children, kids that wouldn't otherwise have access to books. Her organization has given out nearly 400,000 books not just in the United States but internationally as well.
And fortunately Imagination Library will live on past Dolly's mortal life. So I'm sad. She was 14 or 15 years old at a concert in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. And she was striking back then and she was striking until the end of her life so rest in peace Dolly you'll not be forgotten because your music will live on him with that. Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments on items on the consent calendar? Items E through R.
No.
Hearing none, any questions from Council on consent?
I can move consent.
Second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor?
Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 motion and a second. All in favor?
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That passes four to zero with council member Tremblay absent
Thank you now we will head to item S on the agenda and I'm going to assume most of the public present is extremely interested in this so Commander Eric Tennyson if you would take it away please
Excellent. Good evening, Mayor, Council staff and residents of the city who are here in attendance tonight. I appreciate the opportunity that council has given me tonight to address real and legitimate concerns that are being asked about our use of technology that we used help keep our city safe. Specifically, I appreciate the chance to explain why the Camarillo Police Department and the Ventura County Sheriff's Office continue to believe that balancing privacy rights, accountability and public safety is always in our best interest.
An important piece to this presentation is to understand that we don't believe the public should simply support us because we say so. It should be up to everyone here to look at the facts, to look at reasonable controls we have set in place and look at our agency's history of transparency and accountability as we work to continue earning the public's trust.
I spent a lot of time interacting with members of the public at events, working patrol here at the dais, here at the council chambers. And I've had many, many conversations with people about FLOC CalPERS. I've heard the concerns that this community has and read reports from all over the county and country about FLOC CalPERS. The concerns are legitimate. And in some circumstances abuse of this system has resulted in a loss of trust in the technology and even the police in some areas.
With that said, there has been misinformation in public as well and I hope to clear some of that up during this presentation. On this slide you see some of the concerns that we've heard about from the public and these will all be addressed in this presentation. First and foremost, I'd like to focus for just a minute on case law that supports the use of ALPRs without a search warrant.
Without this legal foundation, the case for using ALPR is completely crumbles In March of this year, the Fifth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals ruled on the constitutionality of ALPR use in US v. Porter. This case involved a wanted subject who was stopped after his license plate generated an ALPR alert. After stopping him and arresting him for his warrant, he was found in possession of a loaded handgun with an automatic converter switch. He was found guilty in local courts and appealed his conviction up to the Fifth Circuit Court.
In their ruling, the court made clear that a person does not surrender all of their Fourth Amendment protections when they go into public. But it also recognized that someone traveling in their car on a public roadway has no reasonable expectation of privacy in their movements from one place to another. The court also very clearly ruled that the use of an ALPR system does not constitute a search pursuant to the Fourth Amendment so no warrant is required to use this system.
Another very recent case I want to highlight comes from a civil rights action in Virginia called Schmidt v. Norfolk. In this case, Schmidt and others sued the City of Norfolk claiming their Fourth Amendment rights were being violated by the use of ALPR systems. The ruling was interesting and a bit more nuanced than the Porter ruling. In essence, it recognized that federal and state courts have almost uniformly recognized that neither taking pictures of a car's license plate nor maintaining and querying a database with those images constitutes a search that requires a search warrant.
The interesting part of their ruling was that they concluded that ALPR systems could become too intrusive at some point but based on what they had in existence in Norfolk, that wasn't at that point. So the table on the right adds a little context to that ruling and it shows a comparison between land area, population and LPR density between Camarillo and Norfolk.
You see that Norfolk is about three times the size of Camarillo from a square mile standpoint It's about three times the population size of Camarillo as well, yet they have about six times the number of license plate reader cameras that we have. So I think it's reasonable to conclude that if Norfolk wasn't too dense or intense in the placement of their cameras, the same could likely be said about Camarillo.
So, I want to talk about what FLOC ALPR basics are, what it does. The mechanics of how a Flock license plate reader works are really quite simple. A camera is attached to a pole at a fixed location, it's set at a specific height with the camera at a specific angle in order to achieve the best results in terms of read accuracy and number of reads. When a vehicle travels by the camera, it triggers motion on the camera and it looks for a license plate and snaps an image.
It converts what it sees in that image to a license plate read along with the date, time, and location of that read. The LPR also captures other vehicle attributes like make, color of vehicle and vehicle type. And it can also detect the existence of roof racks or bumper stickers. The images from the LPR read are encrypted from end to end and stored in Amazon Web Services cloud-based storage.
These images present law enforcement with the ability to conduct investigations when suspect vehicle description or a license plate is provided by the victim of a crime. Searched in the immediate moments after a crime occurs, images can help us identify a suspect vehicle. They can also tell us when a suspect vehicles image is captured by a stationary LPR allowing our deputies to quickly respond to that area and search for a suspect vehicle.
When used in an investigation of a crime that is reported well after it occurs, the images can help us tell if a suspect came into our area in advance of a crime to scout out a specific victim or target. It can help us to identify if a suspect vehicle had accomplices who were following in secondary vehicle and it can help us identify the suspect vehicle being involved in serial crimes like retail theft, mail theft, catalytic converter thefts and many other crimes that occur over a period of time.
What also makes an LPR system effective is the ability to compare the images to a hot list. We receive hot lists from the state of California throughout the day telling us what vehicles throughout the state have been reported stolen, when subjects associated with specific vehicles are missing, when the vehicles have been reported to be associated with specific crimes like kidnapping or murder.
We have our own hot lists for subject vehicles we are looking for because they've been involved in criminal activity. The LPR system compares the image it captures to the license plates on the hot list. And if there is a hit, it provides our Arctic operator or deputy in the field with a notification. Whether that Arctic operator or field deputy receives a hit the license plate and alert are quickly confirmed by deputies and they're sent to the area to check for a vehicle.
Consequently, if an image is compared to a hot list and there is no hit nothing happens. The image goes into the secure database and no action takes place after one year those images are hard deleted from the secure cloud storage and we no longer have access to them. The process is pretty simple it is equally important to know what the systems do not do because there's been a lot of misinformation and disinformation in the public on this Our ALPR systems do not identify the driver of the vehicle.
They do not run the license plate to try to identify the registered owner of the vehicle. There is no facial recognition associated with the license plate reader. They are not pointed at schools, churches, medical offices or anywhere else like that in order to collect information. They do not tell us why someone is driving, where they are going or who they are going to visit. They do not follow cars or people.
They're not placed outside every neighborhood in Camarillo. They are a stationary camera that takes a picture of a vehicle when it drives by and any information to the contrary is simply not true. I'd like to explain for just a moment how we use our LPR system. First, our policy dictates our use and restrictions is Policy 429 and it is and has been available for many years on the Sheriff's website.
It only allows specifically trained users to access the system and then only for official law enforcement purposes. Each person who uses it must sign in with their login password and a multi-factor authentication Every search requires the user enter an offense type, indicating what type of crime or case is being investigated along with the case number for that investigation and the reason for the search.
This ensures that we can cross check to make sure it's being accessed for appropriate and official purposes only. One thing that has come up in the discussion on LPRs is how people are seeing false hits that result in innocent people being detained or arrested. Many people have pointed to news reports that have recently indicated that the Los Angeles Police Department had 161 such false detentions or arrests because of misreads and use that as a suggestion that we stop using FLOC ALPR cameras.
I want to be very clear about how a good and effective policy counteracts imperfect technology. First, our policy requires that upon receiving an ALPR hit, our deputy first shall visually verify the LPR read is actually the plate they are looking at. Second, our policy says the deputy shall call dispatch with the reported hit to ensure that it is still an active hit.
Only then can the deputy take enforcement action. To date, the Ventura County Sheriff's Office has not had any reported detentions or arrests of a subject based on false reads. The reason I brought up the LAPD was that their policy says that officers should attempt to verify a license plate prior to enforcement action. That's a big distinction that can have major consequences, and agency policy plays a very important role in ensuring the responsible use of technology.
As I mentioned earlier, our images are stored in secure cloud storage for one year and then hard deleted. Another topic I've seen come up is how we place LPRs and where we place them. I've said this before in other presentations that our agency is a very data-driven agency and we make law enforcement decisions based on data and on our experiences. Our cameras are placed in areas where we experience crimes in great numbers or that are of great impact to our community.
I've mentioned many times the theft corridor in Camarillo, and that is where we have the greatest density of camera placement in the city. We placed ALPRs on the roadways around the outlets, Target and Home Depot because they are the biggest driver of property crimes in the city. That doesn't mean we don't have ALPRs elsewhere. We have a few neighborhoods in our city that have frequently been targets for residential burglaries, either by foreign-based criminal crews or Los Angeles based criminal crews.
One crime you've been reading about in the news lately is the crime of bank jugging. Where crews come in from out of town, watch our banks, look for elderly or unsuspecting victims who might be withdrawing cash, follow them home and then steal their cash. Another crime category that's been impacting our residents significantly is the area of mail theft. All of these crime categories have great impact upon residents of our city and require different ALPR placement strategies.
You see here that I noted we try to cover most ingress and egress locations for our city. I also specifically mentioned the ALPR placement along the theft corridor. It's very important to know that of all arrests we make in Camarillo, 63% of those arrested are people who live outside of our city limits. Taking that analysis a step further, of all the arrests we make at the outlets, Target and Home Depot, 87% of those arrested reside outside the City of Camarillo.
We are not placing ALPRs here because we want to know where our residents are shopping. We place them here because these criminals come to our city to victimize our businesses, our neighbors, yours and mine. Those crimes left unchecked have consequences on our city. We place ALPRs at ingress and egress points in the city because the data shows us that the overwhelming majority of crooks come here from outside our city to victimize our residents and our visitors. That decision is data-driven and it's just common sense.
Last, there are private entities like homeowners associations and even some businesses that have experienced high crime that are purchasing installing their own ALPRs at their entrances. Many of them want to share their ALPR data with us because they know these are effective in helping prevent and detect crime. And it is important for us to work together to reduce crime in the city.
I mentioned a strong policy having strong accountability component. Our agency, like every other law enforcement agency in the state relies heavily upon databases that contain protected criminal justice information like the California Law Enforcement Telecommunication System, or what is known as CLETS and the National Crime Information Center which is known as NCIC.
For decades these databases have been part of the foundation of law enforcement and contain a significant amount of protected information because we use those federal and state databases we are subject to federal and state DOJ audits to ensure the information is used only on a need-to-know and right-to know basis. The DOJ standard for these audits is once every three years For at least the last decade, the Ventura County Sheriff's Office has passed that DOJ audit and we have not had to report a misuse of law enforcement databases in at least five years. I believe the number is higher but we can only get information on the most recent five years for that.
So while federal and state DOJ standard is an audit once every three years, we conduct flock CalPERS audits more often After we discovered our flock data was open for search back in February and March of 2025 for one month, we initially institute daily audits to ensure our data was secure from searches for any law enforcement agency outside the state of California.
After about two months, our agency moved to weekly audits of the data which still remains in effect today. Those weekly audits consist of a review of every single day for the prior week to ensure that no searches are done against our database from agencies outside the state of California. In addition to those daily and now weekly audits, our crime analysis team conducts user audits annually. The audit includes checking searches from authorized users to ensure the search was done properly with legal justification and a case number that can be cross-checked.
Since we have been using FLOC AOPR's I'm not aware of a single reported misuse by a member of our agency. However, our personnel are humans and sometimes humans make bad decisions. As an agency we've demonstrated over the years that when we discover wrongdoing by a member of our agency, we've been swift in conducting investigations and holding our people accountable when the situation warrants it. We believe accountability is critical to building and keeping the public's trust.
Another very important expectation of flock ALPRs is that the reads be accurate. FLOC has reported third-party studies of their system showing accuracy in the high 90% range. There have been recent reports in the news about error rates on alerts that are very concerning. An article on Roseville Police Department LPRs showed a 71% error reading on alerts. We haven't seen any other reports from any other law enforcement agencies showing error rates this high.
I personally called Rose PD and spoke to them about this report, and a follow up by the SACB added some important context to the initial report. First, the time period of those reported errors was in 2023 and 2024. And FLOC has made a number of technological improvements to their system in those two to three years. They continue to work with Roseville PD and are awaiting more recent information from Roseville on the more recent alert rates.
Additionally, FLOC has very specific installation guidelines for mounting their cameras at specific heights and specific angles to achieve maximum read accuracy. Our agency has followed those recommendations with all of our installations only making some changes recently as we've seen vandals and thieves attempting to manipulate our cameras. It's also very important to note, and I'll reiterate something I already talked about that an agency's policy on how it responds to alerts matters greatly.
In the two years between 2023 and 2024, the Roseville Police Department received about 1500 alerts. And about 1100 of those they reported were misreads in all of those misreads. The Roseville Police Department did not make one single detention or arrest off of a misread because their policy is just like ours. It requires multiple steps of human intervention and verification prior to taking any law enforcement action Consequently, you see a mention up here about an LAPD report. A report by the officer of inspector general at LAPD made determination that 161 detentions or arrests were based on misreads in a two-month period based on reads from the department's nearly 2,000 license plate readers and on more than 210 million reads that were captured during that time period.
The major takeaway from this report for me was that LAPD's policy on alerts requires that their officers only attempt to verify the hit records prior to conducting a stop. This distinction between our policy and LAPD's policy is important to note. On another note, many point to LAPDCancelling their flock contract as a reason for Camarillo to consider the same.
While they did pause their use of FLOC, LAPD has indicated that they are working with FLOC to come to an agreement on contract language so they can begin using those ALPRs again. Additionally, LAPD has at least 1,500 non-FLOC ALPR still capturing reeds in their city While the context above matters, the most important thing I want council and the public to understand is that technology is not infallible. And the accuracy that comes from technology is not perfect.
With that said it has made exponentially better with human intervention and human verification that is written into our policy. And that is why the Sheriff's Office has not seen any detentions or arrests based on misreads. Another important takeaway from this presentation and frequent area of information in the public is who accesses our data. I've been very clear, and our sheriff has been very transparent in that and acknowledging that for one month period from mid February 2025 to mid March of 2025, our data was open to search from agencies outside of our state because of a system error by flock.
Since mid-March of 2025, our data has not been accessible to any agency outside the state and our own weekly audits verify that. We are fully compliant with SB 54 and SB 34 and we do not share LPR data with ICE, with Border Patrol, with the Department of Homeland Security or with any agency outside the State of California. Repeated claims that we do are not the truth.
We are only sharing ALPR data with 58 California law enforcement agencies and we have an MOU in place with each agency we share with. That brings me to current deployment in the city of Camarillo. As you see here, the city pays roughly $87,250 every year for 25 flock ALPR cameras in the city. 20 of those are fixed location and five are temporary mobile cameras that we can put in areas where crime trends are occurring.
We also received another 12 flock ALPRs from the Organized Retail Theft Task Force at no cost to the city. Contrary to some claims that I've read, the City Council did not reallocate any funding away from any other law enforcement programs to fund the lease of these cameras. This was a public safety enhancement that I requested on top of our prior budgets. I want everybody to see this slide because I think it's important. It shows you exactly what AOPR reads look like.
These reads are from three different cameras that we have. And what they show is important, but what they don't show is equally important. I've seen letters submitted to this council claiming that our cameras capture children on school playgrounds or playing in public parks. I've seen claims that Flock ALPR's cameras capture people visiting friends houses going to church or attending medical appointments.
Each of our Flock ALPR and Camarillo is narrowly focused and has pointed down to the roadway in order to capture a license plate and not anywhere else. With that said, you can see from the image on the far right that if a vehicle's motion triggered the camera while a person was on the sidewalk they could be captured in the image. But again there is no facial recognition built into this and there's no analytical value to the person walking on the sidewalk which is why the cameras aren't designed to capture these images.
I'd like to take just a few moments to provide this council in public with actual data and specific instances on how FLOC ALPRs make our city safer. The first thing you see here is hard data on the number of stolen vehicles recovered because of an alert by FLOC ALPRs. This data is not just for Camarillo, but also includes our other four contract cities and the unincorporated area of Ventura County where there might be ALPRs I've reported this stolen vehicle data at other presentation and once had someone tell me these stolen vehicle recovers aren't as meaningful because it's just a property crime.
You see in 2024 we recovered 38 stolen vehicles, in 2025 46 stolen vehicles, and year to date in 2026 30 stolen vehicles. I ask you to put yourself in the shoes of a victim of a stolen vehicle. Imagine a mom or dad who has only one car and goes outside to take their children to school before they head off to work, only to discover their car's been stolen. They worry about how to get their kids to school. They wonder how they're gonna get to work, to earn money, to put food on the table. For that family and every other victim who has their vehicle stolen this isn't just a property crime it adds real stresses to already stressful lives.
And for those who would suggest that the rest of the stories that I'm going to read through on here are just a handful of success stories we have many many more that we could talk about I'd like to talk first about the one on the left side where our license plate readers identified a suspect vehicle in a Camarillo gun store burglary from about a year and a half to two years ago, where 63 firearms were stolen. The suspects were identified in several similar crimes throughout Southern California where they stole more than 300 firearms.
We arrested six suspects because of the ALPRs helping us to identify these suspects. Additionally, during a shooting in Nyland Acres about a year and a half ago, a vehicle license plate was provided by the victim. One of the witnesses there. And that vehicle license plate was entered into our ALPR system. An alert on that vehicle occurred a very short time later right here in Camarillo and the car was stopped by one of our Camarillo patrol deputies. Several subjects were arrested in that car and we located a modified AR-15 style rifle in the vehicle.
You may have heard about a case about two years ago where ALPRs helped us track stolen semi-truck trailers that were taken from Harbor Freight. We were able to use ALPRs to help lead us to where those stolen trailers were stored, we made several arrests and recovered over $1.5 million in stolen property. Just recently in the spring of this year, we had a homicide that occurred on The Boulevard in Camarillo.
Within about an hour of the homicide occurring, we were reviewing our ALPR reads in conjunction with some other evidence that we'd captured from interviewing witnesses. Our ALPR read actually captured the suspect vehicle parked next to the victim vehicle, helped to identify him and leading to his arrest within just hours of the crime. This last June, we had a shooting that occurred down on Berry Street here in Camarillo.
We had a resident nearby who had a ring camera that actually captured the model and make of that car along with the color. It also showed, as the vehicle was pulling away, a very unique sticker in the back window. Within a short time, about an hour, we searched our ALPR system for that make and color of vehicles, and we were able to identify the suspect vehicle that was responsible for that shooting. We just did a press release on that about two hours ago.
We also had a resident about a year ago who reported subjects attempting to steal mail from a postal drop box in Camarillo and provided a license plate and a vehicle description. Our Advanced Real-Time Crime Center very quickly entered that plate into our ALPR system, and we received an alert on that vehicle in Ventura short time later. Our deputies arrested the subject and found more than 50 victims' stolen mail in that suspect's possession.
We had a gang member about a month and a half ago who was driving in Camarillo, and one of our patrol deputies received an ALPR alert indicating that the driver of that car was on probation. The deputy called down to dispatch, verified that the probation terms were still active, and stopped that gang member. The subject was found in possession of a loaded firearm with a high-capacity magazine Our special enforcement unit authored a search warrant for that person's resident and went back and found another gun at that gang member's resident, and seized that gun as well. And that subject was arrested and taken into custody.
Just last week we had another case of an LPR success story. In July two unknown suspects stole from Target and fled in a car. Video surveillance showed the license plate but investigators were unable to link the license plate with the people they saw on the videos. They entered the license plate onto a hot list. And just last Friday, that vehicle returned to Camarillo and alerted our detectives that it was back in town.
They coordinated with loss prevention at Target and with our patrol deputies and located that vehicle as it was fleeing target after committing another theft. The same suspects from the July theft were in that car and were arrested with another $1,500 in stolen merchandise. We had another Camarillo resident who withdrew a significant amount of cash from the bank before going to another store. An unknown subject followed that victim, broke into the victim's car and stole several thousand dollars in cash.
License plate reader records helped to identify the suspect vehicle which ultimately led to their identification and arrest. In the last one, a Camarillo resident reported her vehicle being stolen. Our Arctic operator found an LPR hit on the stolen vehicle in Thousand Oaks and sent deputies to the area to look for that stolen vehicle. Deputies located the stolen vehicle and arrested two Oxnard residents within one hour of the vehicle being reported stolen to us.
I can tell you, I could spend an hour going over the success stories that we've had because of license plate readers here in Camarillo For those who have been victims of these crimes, they've been eternally grateful when we use tools that are legally available to us to bring them some sense of justice. I want this council and our residents to know that we hear them when they bring their concerns to us.
We investigate, we speak to other agencies and we research. We take action just like the Sheriff's Office did when we proactively discovered the data issue from 2025 and reported it to the public end of this Council. We take action just like we did by implementing audit controls, first daily and now weekly to ensure that our data is secure. We look at the issues that are brought to our attention and we base our requests and recommendations on facts and evidence.
As we continue to look for responsible technologies that will assist us, we base our strategies on the five principles you see here. They are the foundation to decisions being made on technology that is changing rapidly. As we've discussed before in other presentations I've made on LPRs, our agency has used mobile ALPR technology in our patrol vehicles for well over a decade now and we still use that with our use of Axon's Fleet 3 in-car video system.
We are also monitoring the market and looking at FLOC's competitors to see if another product is available that meets our strict requirements, and we will practice good governance in considering making changes to another vendor. I've taken a lot more time than normal tonight because I believe our community and this council deserve accurate information about this technology, the concerns that surround it, and exactly how the Ventura County Sheriff's Office uses it.
We've listened to those concerned, we've examined the facts and we put safeguards in place to ensure this technology is used lawfully, responsibly and with accountability. But ultimately this comes back to why we use it. We use ALPR's because they help us find stolen vehicles, they help us locate vulnerable missing people, they help us identify and arrest people committing crimes in our community and they bring justice to victims.
We can protect privacy and protect our community at the same time. And I believe the facts and results I've shared with you tonight demonstrate that the Ventura County Sheriff's Office and the Camarillo Police Department are doing exactly that. Trust isn't something we ask for, it's something we earn and we intend to keep earning it. That concludes my presentation.
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Thank you Commander. Council any questions? Mr. Kildee.
Yeah, Eric as far as Ventura County how long do we keep the data in our system here?
We keep our data for one year and then it's permanently deleted
Is it a sliding year? In other words, if let's say you get a hit April 24th. Do you wait for next April 24th or is that a calendar year?
It's for the read itself so if I take a read today that read in one year will be out of our system another read if it's captured tomorrow that read will be a year and then it'll be out of the system If any ALPR images that we collect are identified as evidence in a case, we tag those as evidence and we keep those for longer. As long as it takes for the case to be adjudicated in any appeals process to have occurred. So some data can stay longer but only when it becomes evidentiary.
And that data is not shared with any other federal agency? That's true. Talk about that Retail Theft Task Force, if you will. Is that funded by a grant or is that included in the amount of money we spend on the cameras that we've
installed? The Organized Retail Theft Task Force is funded by a grant. I think it was obtained about three years ago now In addition to funding people to be on the task force that have put in a lot of time and effort in Camarillo, specifically out at our outlets. That grant funded the license plate readers that I mentioned, the 12 other license plate readers that are here and around Camarillo.
And that grant came from, did it come from the state? The private entity? Who did who did that grant? Who funded that grant It came from the State of California And how long is that grant going to be in
place? The positions from the grant end this year. So at the end of the year, those positions will be gone. They will pay for our license plate readers for one more year.
OK. So we basically have the end of this year and perhaps one more year of funding that task force if you will. Well not so much a task force but the cameras. Yes. Yeah. All right. Thank you. You're welcome.
Question Councilmember Santangelo.
Thank you, actually I had a whole long list of questions and you've answered most of them in the presentation. I had questions about policies. I had questions about well I'll ask this one does the flock system allow users to search anyone they want?
So we don't search for people. So it doesn't allow us to search for any people, it allows us to search for a specific license plate. It allowed us to search for a partial license plate. It allows us to search for a make, a color or a vehicle type along with if the vehicle has a bike rack on it, a roof rack or sticker in the window around the bumper but it does not allow us to search for
Okay, thank you. And you said that any officer that is allowed to use the ALPR database has specific training? Yes. How long have ALPRs been in use? You said over a decade?
For our agency, we started using mobile ALPRs in 2013. Prior to that, we used kind of a rudimentary way of doing it by using game cameras that had infrared And they're done weekly now. They are done weekly, OK?
And you said we're looking at other vendors into how much depth.
So we have, there's quite a few license plate reader vendors out there. We were previously a customer of Vigilant which is owned by Motorola. We went away from them because we found that technology they had fallen behind in some of the technology and capabilities. Axon also offers license plate readers and we are testing some of their license plate readers.
They are new to the license plate reader Class, I would say. And so they're developing their license plate readers and we haven't made any decisions yet on whether we want to go a different direction. We still have a contract as you know with Flock through September of next year.
All right. That's all the questions I have for you, thank you again for your presentation. You're welcome. I do have a question for the city attorney if that's okay? Sure. Would it be possible for the City Council to write a policy, a city policy that has any authority over FLOC and the Sheriff's Organization?
So if the policy would Would govern how Ventura County Sheriff's Department utilizes their, the FLOC system. We do not have employee authorization over that entity. We contract with them to provide us services but we would not be able to require them to follow additional policies. Okay thank you. That's all the questions I have.
Thank you Vice Mayor.
Chief Tedison, thank you very much for your presentation which was very much in depth. I have in-depth questions too. I have quite a bit so the first question is we've received several comments emails indicating that Regarding the City of Oxnard Police Department and LAPD's flawed camera suspension of ALPRs, you touched a little bit on LAPD. Can you speak to both? And if you have any context to add regarding both departments?
Yes, I can. I know that the Oxnard Police Department did not cancel their contract. They were at the end of their contract and so they were practicing good governance and they're looking at other LPR vendors and they're still doing that. I also know that Oxnard Police Department did add LPRs to all of their patrol vehicles. So I think that context is important in this. And again, the Los Angeles Police Department also did not cancel a contract there at the end of their contract and they are working on The city of Oxnard has added to all the vehicles that was you actually are the one who found
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Okay. Thank you for that information and clarification, and then the next one is regarding an article that I had shared with you earlier today. There was an article that was shared with me by multiple people regarding the city of Oshkosh kind of like I guess like the store but not the store the city and their termination of the flock contract but continuation of ALPR's The termination appeared to be due to what the chief perceived as inaccurate information from Flock regarding heat maps.
What do you know in terms of heat maps as they relate to Flock?
I don't know what that chief, I read the same article that you shared with me. I don´t know what he was talking about with a heat map but i will look into it and get back to you.
Okay that would be great thank you And then the next question is regarding the. The error that occurred, would you be able to? Because I believe there were three options right as to what the possibilities were. Would you be able to inform us as to them update that you most have?
Yeah, so when we discovered that our data was open for searches and we talked extensively with FLOC about it. There were three explanations, three possible explanations. One was that a member of our agency toggled the switch that allowed us to share all of our data nationally. One was that somebody within FLOC did that and another option was or another possible explanation was that there was a system bug All I can say definitively is that nobody from the Ventura County Sheriff's Office toggled a switch that opened up our data. So it was either a FLOC employee that did it or it was a system bug, and at the time FLOC was doing some updates to their system and so it seems like that's probably the most logical explanation.
That it was most likely a system bug?
Yes.
Okay thank you. The next question is and chief Tennyson you touched on that a bit on your presentation regarding the 4th amendment and. And I wanted to ask a question about that in legal liability, I mean Rachel actually wanted us get your input on that what 4th Amendment lawsuits or I guess the second piece of the question is given that the city of Camarillo's agreement is with a sheriff's department.
Is the city indemnified against any lawsuits, potential lawsuits in the future? And what liabilities remain within this city versus the county or the sheriffs?
So I can't answer how many haven't researched that, how many cases are out there. But as the commander noted And I did review those cases, the general law is that you know the 4th Amendment is not implicated by the use of this technology. As far as indemnification that's correct. The city has a contract for sheriff services and for the services that they provide they are to indemnify us for their services.
Okay so
what that means is that we are not liable so if a claim comes in related to how this information was Access by the Ventura County Sheriff's Department. We would tender that lawsuit to the sheriff's department to defend this city,
okay And that's all written in our Agreement for
Indian that would be correct for any of the services they're providing us.
Okay? Thank you and then This is a broader question but then I wanted to narrow it down to that system bug error so And it's partially for you and then Chief Tennyson, feel free to answer it as well. Ultimately who is accountable when flock technology is misused or when a security breach occurs or the use of a system results in a violation of state law? Or what protections does the city have in those circumstances? And then the additional question that I have is more related to the system bug was that a violation of state law and if so who is accountable?
So either
I can answer to the part about who's accountable when the system is misused. If we discover or it's reported to us and we discover that one of our personnel misused it, we will conduct an internal investigation. And if discipline is warranted, discipline will be given. The breach as it's been called or the opening of our data for searching, we didn't violate SB 54. The sheriff's office didn't, we're not the ones who shared that data with anybody else. So we're not in violation of SB 34, SB 54 and so there's no crime for us to investigate in that but from individual uses or Our personnel who are responsible for that are held accountable through our internal investigative process.
Okay, so for the system error itself? That's that in terms of what happened, then there is no one to hold accountable. I guess that's the part.
Well, I think the accountability aspect and that comes from a review of our contract. And if we feel that for some reason our contract has been breached by that system bug, the accountability factor could be that we work to cancel our contract with flock and move to potentially move to a different vendor.
OK, thank you. Just to clarify, so I understood there are 25 flock cameras if we can go back to that or that one slide. Or how many flock cameras are currently operational?
We have 25 flock cameras that are operational in Camarillo that are paid for by the city and we have 12 that are funded through the ORT task force.
And then this question is actually for public works for you Dave actually so many times. I get questions about like those cameras that are used more, like in the streets to study street issues. So for example when I was a part of the infrastructure and safety at that committee we had concerns over some pedestrian issues and I had asked to have for example Village at the Park or over there by Pitts Ranch We're going to talk a little bit about some of the cameras that are on Flynn road studied and it's my understanding that some of those cameras went up can you just talk about.
What that that what does look like and what they do and who owns all of that.
Sure yes, the city owns within public works or traffic division when we This is a temporary placement of the video camera that captures images and basically records when a shape of this vehicle crosses the image and records the number so we're collecting data for volumes numbers And then the next question.
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So now they're have the audits are happening on a weekly basis is my understanding.
Yes,
and then in terms of who conducts that it the audits the we see only whose experts on that
or our director of crime analysis conducts the audit
okay.
So we look through every single day's worth of searches and we are working to ensure that there are no, or we're looking to ensure that there are no searches by agencies outside the state of California. No federal agencies and no other state or local agencies outside the state of California.
Okay. I know that there is a transparency like portal or section in on the sheriff's web page are those audit findings available to the public is that something that's listed.
It's not listed on the transparency dashboard okay, it's a public records requestable document I guess so
OK, I'm just wondering is that something that could be added? I mean you're not finding anything. I guess it
doesn't the search the audit itself. I don't believe creates a record all we know is that the audit was done. I don't believe it creates an independent record. That is something that we could post or release.
Oh, I see. OK. And then the next question was about alternatives if you can provide an update as to the alternatives, but I think you already did that. Council member Santiago asked that and then the next part is I actually had shared a link with you. And for those at home, maybe you'd like to follow it. It's the Institute for Justice. It said their own database I understand there's over 18,000 police departments in the country approximately.
Is that about right? Okay. And in California, you said how many? 57?
Well we have 58 county sheriff's offices in California but there's a lot of local municipal PDs as well and I don't know what that number is.
Okay. So when looking on that link, it shows a total of eight incidents and so what I wanted to do is read maybe some of these scenarios of incidents that happened and then your response in terms of how would that compare to the policy that we have in place or to that experience that we have in place here? So the first one is in February of 2026, a San Francisco officer violated the department's conflict of interest policy by obtaining flock images of her relatives' stolen car and posting them to Instagram.
That would be a violation of our policy, Policy 429, and we'd conduct an internal investigation.
Okay. And then... In terms of the policy what's set in there that would protect?
They're only we are only to use a LPR systems for official law enforcement purposes.
OK, and then through your audits you would find that if somebody is searching
either an audit or somebody would report to us if they are. If their license plate were posted on social media most likely it would come from a external report to us.
Okay, and then in November 2025 based on flock capture officers mistook an innocent driver's car for one that was at the scene of an attempted carjacking. The driver was jailed for nearly one month this was San Diego California.
Yeah, so that to me that lacks context because there could be a whole host of reasons why that license plate was recorded as stolen. Perhaps it wasn't removed from the state's stolen vehicle system yet perhaps it was I think that's a good question. I don't know if it was because the officers didn't have a policy that required them to check the alert, but as you read it to me, it said it was reported stolen.
So there could be a number of explanations that don't necessarily mean
The next case is from 2024 Riverside County, California after being arrested for kidnapping his ex fiance deputy. This deputy allegedly use the department's Fox system to track one of her friends in December of 2025 he was convicted so I guess similar to that. Well, I think those are all the questions that I had. Those are all the questions that I had. Thank you.
You're welcome. One quick question since all of the rest have been asked. You said that the SO has an MOU with 57 other sheriff's departments in California?
No, with 58 other law enforcement agencies within California.
Does that give them unfettered access to our LPR data or do they still have to make a request that your agency would authorize?
No, that MOU gives them the ability to search our database as long as they follow the rules of entering a case number, a criminal offense code and a reason for the search.
And an agency that you don't have an MOU with could still make a request to the Sheriff's Office.
They absolutely could.
And that is verified and approved by a human being, they can't just go in and search?
That's correct.
And the breach that you talked about that allowed nationwide unfettered access of the LPR data for the Sheriff's Office That ability has been completely negated for all California law enforcement on ALPRs, is that correct with FLOC?
That's correct. FLOC wrote into their programming code now the inability for any agency outside the state to be searching California law enforcement agencies data.
Okay thank you we are going to take a quick 10 minute recess before we open up the public comment portion
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City attorney and staff so we
will reconvene the city council meeting. Madam clerk do we have any public speakers on this item.
Yes, mayor we have about 20 I'm sorry 12 people wanting to speak each speaker will have 3 minutes when your time expires you will be muted and
we will move on to the next speaker remote participation
Welcome again.
I did want to bring something up, I felt really important it's going to go into my planned comment comment but if you don't want the accusations that cameras are facing children or churches There are 2 that I'm aware of because it's in close proximity to my home on the corner of Las Posas and Crestview as a camera facing the parking lot exit of Saint Mary Magdalene Catholic Church with a peripheral view in There's also another camera just south of Las Posas where it is directly placed were less poses elementary schools to the right hand side. You could very easily take that camera more South away from the children at that school so don't give This City Council chose willful ignorance over due diligence when you expanded the city's flock cameras last year, despite constituent after constituent coming before you to express serious concerns that you chose to ignore.
After persistence from the community, Commander Dennison reached out to flock to verify safeguards that had been promised to the city and to inquire how to best respond to the criticism this council continued to receive. It was only then that someone anyone in Ventura County apparently thought to independently audit the data and what did the data reveal? That safeguards officials believed were in place were not working as assumed a feature believed to have been disabled had been re-enabled allowing hundreds of thousands of searches So who falls on the sword of this incompetence? Commander Tennyson, Sheriff Fryhoff, Flock or this City Council. The people who chose to expand the surveillance system while ignoring the very warnings your constituents brought before you.
There is now a class action lawsuit involving Flock Surveillance Network that specifically points to the Ventura County incident. According to allegations in that lawsuit, Flock reportedly could not determine exactly what caused the feature to be re-enabled. Possible explanations reported included Flock employee, a system bug or someone within the Sheriff's Office.
Think about that. We entrusted the surveillance of our community for a for-profit company, and when a critical safeguard failed we apparently cannot even say with certainty who turned it back on or how it happened. It is not a coincidence that soon after this breach of our data occurred immigration enforcement escalated here in our community and has since directly harmed hundreds of those very people you took an oath to protect and serve. Shame on all of you. Commander Tennyson, you came before this council and this community on March 11th and assured us that FLOC will be the best option still and that the Sheriff's Office is now conducting daily audits. Today I learned it's now weekly.
When was that communicated to us or this council that we were no longer doing daily audits? And what do all these other cities see that Camarillo has chosen to ignore when they have decided to discontinue their contracts with FLOC?
Thank you.
Larry Gasson.
Good afternoon, Council
welcome.
We've heard a lot about data being sequestered and then trapped and then deleted locally but not The outside providers and how long they keep it. As we all know data is precious storage is cheap. And that data will be used at some point in time for reasons, it wasn't initially stated those are my concerns thank you very much
thank you.
Appreciate you really looking into this whole. This whole issue really is concerning to a lot of people appreciate that presentation was really eye opening in and clarifying a lot of different things Thank you very much. And that our police department is actually looking at these things really really hard and answering the questions that people are having in concerns of people are having so I want to just commend you for that thank you.
Resident California of camera for about 40 years
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Hello, my name is Lynn Dines. I've been a resident of Camarillo for over 40 years. I'm here today to express my alarm at the growing use of flock cameras in our community. We're told they keep us safe but there are increasing concerns that these cameras are being used to create a nationwide mass surveillance network sometimes illegally connecting agencies outside of our area with our local police agencies, including the Ventura County Sheriff's Department. Recent searches from outside California have targeted immigration information about Ventura County residents and searches in the San Bernardino area not only targeted immigrants but immigration protests.
Concerns about targeted searches into personal information and targeting women seeking reproductive care outside of their state are also increasing. The ACLU considers flock cameras a major civil liberties threat that enables unwarranted mass surveillance of the public infringing on our Fourth Amendment rights. Flock cameras detail data on every car that passes by, not just your license plate but everything from the scratches on the front end to the bumper sticker on the back and they do it regardless of whether you are suspected of a crime or not.
Then they upload the data to a national database that is accessible to law enforcement agencies with a FLOC contract. And the system uses AI to catalog and match data for everyone passing by one of their cameras. Potentially revealing personal details that have nothing to do with a crime, including religious affiliation, political activities and other associations. For these reasons I urge you to cancel the flock contracts currently in place and remove the cameras from our city. Thank you.
Thank you.
Matthew O'Neill
Welcome
Thank you. All right, good evening Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council Members. My name is Matt O'Neill. I've been a longtime resident of Ventura County 26 years altogether throughout the county, the last two years being in Camarillo. First off, want to thank Chief for giving a pretty robust presentation on the benefits of ALPR and all the good things they've done for the city.
And I don't think anyone here who opposes CalPERS would disagree. Right? I think everyone kind of has an understanding that these devices can be used for immense good. There's two things, though, I wanted to really focus on tonight. The first of which being the 2025 data breach, which we've talked about kind of ad nauseum tonight so I'm not going to hash out all the facts again But I wanted to bring up a really important point regarding that data breach in particular.
And Vice Mayor, you kind of were hitting at it in regards to accountability. When we talk about CalPERS, a word that constantly gets brought up is transparency. Now, I did a FOIA request about a month back And the Ventura County Sheriff's Office was very forthcoming. Provided me with all the data that I requested, and the data that they couldn't provide, they provided a reason for that.
Now... The problem is, is I don't trust the partner agency. And I think everybody in this room would admit that the partner agency probably hasn't displayed the best track record of being transparent And in regards to the 2025 data breach, it took almost 10 months for us to independently audit that data and come to the conclusion that there was unlawfully shared data.
Why wasn't FLOC coming to us? They understood in March of 2025 that that data had been compromised. They understood that that data was illegally shared And instead of reaching out to the partner agencies alerting us that that had happened, they sat on it. They hid it. They didn't tell us anything. Now I can only assume the reason for that but that assumption is that they understood that admitting a data breach of that size would impact profit.
They understood that a data breach that size would impact public trust So I really, really want to put that on display for all of you. That some of us just don't trust Flock and I think that's understandable. I think that's okay. We don't trust the vendor we're with. And I also think if we continue to go...
Your time is up sir. Thank you.
Aliento Vane followed by Bruce Little
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Good evening and welcome.
Good evening. I'm short, okay. I just wanted to come up here and speak on how I'm extremely against all FLOC and ALPRs that have been put up in our community extremely quickly. And I think it should be concerning to everyone here that these cameras have been slowly and surely popping up everywhere in Camarillo and how easily it was for mass surveillance in our community to become so prevalent.
Across our country, we are seeing dozens of cases of misuse of these cameras. The information they store on these cameras in their system to stalk minorities especially women. Flock specifically has been used to investigate random citizens without just cause. Just look at all these people finding out their license plates were scanned through flock on haveibeenflocked.com for example There's no evidence that these cameras are making our making sure that there's less crime in our communities, but all of these studies are paid for by FLOC. So it's going to have a lot of bias in both their research methods and conclusions. If the surveillance made our community safers we would see less AMBER alerts more human trafficking victims would be saved and more carjackings and robberies would be solved in no time.
Mass surveillance doesn't make our community safer, it only strips away our privacy and our autonomy as individuals. These cameras are not just taking photos of your license plates and I truly believe that even after hearing the presentation earlier they're feeding their AI models. FLOG cameras are specifically gathering information about you and your vehicle to create a unique fingerprint about you in their system Do you have Bluetooth turned on on your mobile device that you go in your car with? Some ALPRs are starting to add Bluetooth readers to their devices, to now associate you with your car and Bluetooth device.
This means if you aren't in your car and you're strolling past the camera, either by foot or in another car, they know that you're there. Flock has also recently introduced AI models into their Flock system. I don't think Camarillo is using it yet but I don t like that as a company they are introducing it. The media outlet Wired recently got code to this AI and it says And I quote, the code describes 45 tools at the AI's disposal giving it access to plate scans, camera metadata, arrest records, case files, dispatch logs, ballistics results, commercial databases that contain social security numbers, date of birth, phone numbers, email addresses and the data goes on. This AI can also be prompted to find people within a given area during a length of time using physical descriptions alone And I just want you to know that this was a wire article that was.
Thank you your your time is up, thank you.
Bruce little followed by Chris Espinoza.
Welcome Sir,
thank you most of what I have to say has already been said so I'm going to eliminate it. And Chief, I did a count today and I think I counted between Central Avenue and Santa Rosa Valley almost 50 cameras. So maybe some are outside of the city limits but there's a number of cameras here that are higher than what you said My name is Bruce Little. I live in Camarillo. I'm going to eliminate most of this.
We all want safe neighborhoods. Public safety does not require us to surrender our basic right to live without being continuously catalogued, searched and tracked. Most information from a license plate camera may seem narrow, and you've accurately described what it collects. So I'm not going to go over that again. But I am going to hit the part that the lady just before me started to bring up, and that's that flood cameras as they exist now won't stay the same. They're going to change in that they're not going to need the solar panel And the camera will change, it will become a radio frequency technology and the RF systems can detect signals emitted by cell phones, vehicles, toll tags, Bluetooth devices, Wi-Fi devices and other connected equipment.
Individually these signals may appear anonymous combined with cameras location record and software they can become a powerful identity trail Which devices travel together? Which locations they repeatedly visit? Which patterns suggest work, worship, medical appointments, political meetings, family relationships, private associations etc.? ? The danger is not only in what the government intends to do today. The danger is what the government, possible to what the government is going to do tomorrow with the stores of personal data that they will have existed by then.
As Camarillo considers existing or new surveillance technology It must require a clear demonstrated need, independent public oversight, strict limits on data collection and retention. Not a year more like a few weeks. A warrant requirement for searches that Reconstructs a person's movements. A ban on using our identities to build personal level tracking databases used for tracking immigration, you can't do that either or protests or political surveillance public audits and there need to be consequences for any violations but the better choice is to reject systems designed for mass collection in the first place We should invest in proven people-centered safety.
Let us choose safety
with liberty. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Your time is up. Thank you. Hello again, Mr. Espinoza welcome this time.
Thank you. Good evening Mayor and members of the council I'm here to speak on behalf of the community with a very serious concerns around flock cameras. I think that was an excellent presentation by the chief, but I think it's lacking in a number of ways. You know, threats to our civil liberties only come inches at a time. And the chief talked about how important trust is to law enforcement and I agree with him on that trust is important and sacrosanct.
It's not whether or not the sheriff's office can maintain that trust. It's trust in other agencies, we have documented cases of DHS using back doors using side doors to access information from flock cameras Washington State, here in California, in Mountain View. The ACLU has documented this. 404 Media has documented this. So the risks to our community are real despite the Sheriff's Office assertions. He talked about the civil liberties implications with the Fourth Amendment and he mentioned the Fifth Circuit case. What he did not mention is Chattery versus the United States which was just ruled upon in the Supreme Court at the end of June of this year And it holds that individuals retain a reasonable expectation of privacy in the aggregate records of their physical movements.
Now, that case was just ruled on there will be plenty of cases to come that are going to test the limits of that and I think We need to take these concerns seriously. I don't think that we need flock infrastructure, I do agree with some of the other speakers that we're creating and contributing to a national surveillance infrastructure that is ultimately going to put us all at risk.
I think the chief is underselling his department. He presented 4 slides worth of limited data and anecdotal stories of how beneficial flock cameras are, but who's to say that those cases would not have been resolved by good old fashioned police work? So I think I would urge the council to seriously reconsider this arrangement and
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I'm here to also express my
Many, all the other speakers have really hit on my concerns with it as well and I appreciate the presentation that was given. I think that the statement that this is not a Fourth Amendment violation is incorrect. At best, it is not entirely clear but there have been other cases as well that have called into question the use of aggregate data to be able to retrace someone's movement throughout it The Supreme Court ruled on carpenter versus the United States.
So and the only other part that I will add to this is I don't approve of a nationwide architecture of. You know cameras capturing
Welcome Spencer. Welcome.
Good evening, I am Spencer Richie and I have a few comments to make on our flock all 4 cameras which by the way I absolutely oppose their presence That was kind of a given considering what I've said before, but I'll add to this. So that presentation that you gave or actually Sheriff Tennyson just gave explaining why the examples of why we do actually need all 4 cameras in our town like this many all 4 cameras especially after all Yeah, that was actually pathetic. Like how ignorant you thought we'd be and just how able to just accept What you just said, as you know, anything besides blatant propaganda and lies and half-truths and just overall denial of reality.
And you know what that actually reminds me of? It reminds me of propaganda and stuff in the former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc. It really does. And you know what else about the former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc, this whole building like FLOC, mass surveillance, all that this situation is clearly building up to? The fact that You know, the mass surveillance states of the Soviet Union in Eastern Bloc, they took advantage of what they had as far as mass surveillance went and they went after people who spoke out against what the regime was doing.
It worked for 40 years or so, but ultimately what happened was they could not entirely fully suppress. Their own people did not like the regime and in 1989 for the Eastern Bloc and then by the end of 1991 for the Soviet Union All those governments, those regimes that had put that in place they were gone. And at least the Eastern Bloc's case it was because the people had enough of the regime so you're not actually being slick or clever in pushing this mass surveillance and stuff thank you good evening.
Thank you
John Pearson is next please.
Good evening, welcome. Thank you council.
And thanks to our law enforcement officer here tonight. Could you pull this? There you go. Yeah, there we go. Thank you. So I just want to say quickly here, I've lived in Camarillo most of my adult life and I trust the best intentions of our city council and our law enforcement here. I'm also a tech guy. I have a bachelor's degree in science and I've held key positions in multiple tech companies here in California that are household names Just now, with all due respect, hearing your remarks about unresearched hunches and most likely bugs and things like that isn't just familiar in massive network systems like I've been in on maybe responsible for. In some cases it's the norm. In tech and big data we don't need to see your face. We already know where you are within three feet and in a car probably even without a phone we know where you are.
So we want to catch the bad guys, right? We also want to preserve our rights and freedoms including our privacy here. And as working class people make the best use of our money shop deals check the ingredients get rid of those overpriced subscriptions I'm not against food. I'm also not in favor of McDonald's being the only source of food in the community and certainly not being forced to have a single subscription to eat every meal there My point is that since we don't control this system, we shouldn't lean heavily into flock.
The problem is regardless of what we do here in Camarillo or Ventura County and aim to do with this data or what we believe were being sold with flock it's not under our control and they are opaque When a crime occurs in a public setting, we like to have a witness. In fact if you've got more witnesses the better but what if all the witnesses worked for one person and their accounts and all of the events belong to that person who kept the information and made a business out of selling it to the very law enforcement that needed it in the first place? Selling it and parts of it and derived parts of it, we don't even know who gets it.
There's lots of breaches. So just what I want to say is, I urge the council to not be lured into reliance on one provider if you're going to use surveillance systems. We know the model of big tech is to take things with terms that we don't like to hear and give them nice names like acronyms or to call teens who spend their lives on Instagram all day not addiction but user engagement And then it's too late and the damage is done. So I think all agreements for surveillance systems should be publicly available with absolutely no redactions, all data and metadata from the equipment and systems in Camarillo should be exclusive property of Camarillo as a requirement in the contract so the citizens of Camarillo Not flock maintain exclusive control over how it is shared.
So the people of Camarillo have a say in with our through our locally elected officials, how that data is used and even the source code and systems themselves should be reviewable and audit.
Thank you your time's up thank you very much.
Nick Navarrete followed by Ann Seidel.
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Good evening
Hello. This is one of the this actually the first Council meeting I've ever been to and I think that's just going to speak on the importance of you for this topic, I do not believe that One as state before I don't think anyone here has a distrust necessarily with license plates readers or our cops who are serving us. But it is this larger entity that we don't have any control over As stated previously they're going to be able to flock is going to be able to update their systems whenever they choose to on any of their conditions and we won't have any power to actually address.
How they access this information These systems, there's definitely a plethora of abuse of these systems being used in other areas and other parts of our state and other parts of our country. And this mass surveillance state essentially is just a ticking time bomb that I would rather not be on the other side when this explodes. I do not think these AI-powered systems should be in our cities, should be near our schools. There are three on Santa Rosa that are right next to Adolfo Camarillo High School and two of them are pointing towards the school. I know it was noted about angles talking about maximizing the proficiency to read the license plates however they are still angled towards the school and even if We're still in the background of these photos and we may not be able to look up We want to make sure that we're providing the vehicles information but that doesn't mean that other entities and other people have that power to focus on individuals and still use these cameras and systems to track people.
So even though it is packaged in safety, many things are going A lot of negative things for us, the people is sounds very overwhelmingly that we do not approve a flock cameras being used in our city or in general. So I'd really push you to really consider our thoughts and consider what we think will make our city safer. Thank you.
Good evening.
Thank you for your presentation. I do have a couple of questions. Number one, does Camarillo also have the intersection cameras that photo vehicles and drivers that failed to stop at red lights and stop signs? And if we do, would that information be cross posted with FLOC, at least locally? Also, how is the data kept unhackable and who's responsible for that? Is that FLOC or is that our local police department? And my last question is about three or four slides from the end of the presentation.
There was a note about a burglary in June And that said the ALPR helped find the car and identified the suspect. If they're not taking pictures of the people, how did it help identify the suspect? Those are my questions also. I thank you for those information about the library programs. I thought that was wonderful and I loved the Little Renaissance Fair. Okay, that's it.
Thank you.
We will now move on to remote public comment. For those waiting to speak, please press star 9 to raise your hand. When your name is called, press star 6 to unmute yourself and begin your comment. The first name is Holly.
Holly go ahead. Holly can you hear us? Okay madam clerk, let's go on to the next one.
F Samuel Heredia.
What was the name again?
F Samuel Heredia please press star six and begin your comment.
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Welcome. Can you hear us? Okay the next one madam clerk,
there are no other colors.
Are they still online? They're not showing up
on my screen. One more time please press star 9 Holly. Holly and Samuel Heredia you need to press star 9.
Okay thank you very much. With that, for the rest of my fellow council members in the audience, this is a receive and file item. But if the Council has any more comments or questions go ahead and ask them now. Vice Mayor, go ahead. Oh okay, go ahead.
All right give me just a second here All right. So I have a statement to make. I understand the concerns raised by the public. I have read emails, I've talked to residents, I've listened carefully tonight and I've listened other previous nights. I acknowledge that there are valid and legitimate concerns about the misuse of ALPRs, about surveillance, about privacy, about transparency and about sharing of data across agencies.
These are real problems, and as a leader in this community I take them all seriously. I appreciate Commander Tennyson's presentation. I think it is extremely important that we as a council and as a community continue to have updates. Additionally, this Council needs to remain open to critique so that we are able to remain agile and not complacent in our decision making And that's exactly what I intend to do.
I will be open to new ideas and information, continue to review pertinent data and reports, and remain vigilant with VCSO and especially the use of FLOC cameras. I appreciate the public being here tonight and previous nights, and I hope that you continue to show up and hold us all accountable. Please know that I am listening. I take your perspectives and concerns to heart and into consideration.
As one of five council members, I will do everything in my power to keep asking questions, keep being responsive, and push for a better way forward where residents feel heard and represented. As a council member, oversight is my responsibility and I take it very seriously. I am especially concerned about FLOC as our ALPR vendor. We should acknowledge that there are very real examples of its misuse across the nation and because of that, I would like to ask my fellow council members for support in taking actions to address these concerns in three ways.
I would formally like to ask that VCSO seriously explore other vendors of ALPRs So that if we should decide to move away from flock, we are prepared to act quickly. If this is already happening I would like to have a presentation on the options. Number two as our city attorney has explained, a city policy would have no authority over the use of flock cameras or over ALPRs.
My original idea was for us to explore writing such a policy. Instead, I would ask that our Policy Committee review The FLOC contract for any language that needs to be changed or added for oversight. I believe it is our responsibility to understand that contract. And last, in the interest of transparency and due diligence I would like us to consider establishing a citizens committee for this issue that would get regular updates have continued open dialogue about public concerns with Commander Tennyson.
This will allow such a committee to provide presentations and input to the council on this issue which gives us two sources of information rather than one. There is a clear engagement and concern from the community on this issue And we as a council should welcome and encourage their input. Thank you.
Thank you, Vice Mayor.
Thank you Council Member Santangelo and thank you to each and every one of you who came tonight, who sent your letters, who reached out, who I've spoken with. Thank you for sharing your concerns. And I understand that today is a receive-and-file report At the same time, I do want to acknowledge the very real concerns that have been raised by members of our Camarillo community.
I believe that we can support public safety while also being thoughtful and deliberate about privacy, transparency, accountability and appropriate oversight. I do believe that ALPRs or automated license plate readers can be an important tool for public safety and law enforcement. At the same time, I share concerns now as we all did at the last meeting when this was discussed regarding FLOC itself as a vendor.
And I believe at this time, I would support that which is, I think it is appropriate for us to take a closer look at the alternative vendors and the safeguards surrounding the technology of its use. So I would support that Council Member Santangelo as well. On a personal level, as someone who was a victim of a violent crime as a child My goal is also to find the right balance, protecting our community while also protecting the privacy and trust of the people that we serve.
I am open to efforts to determine whether additional language to the agreement or safeguards are needed to strengthen oversight, accountability, transparency, privacy protections and compliance with state law. So bringing that to the policy committee, I would be in agreement with I would also, actually think it's so important to meet folks where they are. And in addition to that is adding more transparency. I know there's an like the sheriff's department they have their own FAQ on the city website. I'd really like this to be added to the hot topics I think that adding that and how that information is collected in all those FAQ's, I think would be helpful.
It's not as efficient as if we were to have maybe a town I really would like us to. I'd like to get support to continue this dialogue in a format that is more accessible and welcoming to broader groups of residents. I think having it at a place like the Camarillo Library would be a more welcoming location for many, and then residents can really feel free And also as a parent myself.
I'd also love to expand that outreach to parents and families through our local schools and also explore the that possibility in in the schools and city committee So that being said, I really do appreciate the passion and the thoughtfulness that residents have brought to this discussion. I think that people can have different perspectives on the use of ALPR technology and still share these same fundamental goals which is keeping our community safe, protecting our individual privacy I do believe and I am very hopeful that I think we can do all three.
My hope is that we can continue this conversation in a constructive way, and then take these additional steps that are necessary to ensure that these policies reflect both our commitment to public safety and our responsibility to the community that we serve. In terms of...I really like that quote from the presentation I want to say thank you so much chief tennis and when you indicated trust isn't something we ask for it's something we earn and I think that can be a guiding principle as we think about how to continue community outreach, how we can decide on different alternatives. And move with always that mission in mind so.
That being said I That if that agreement should be available to to the public my understanding is they are or Okay, so any agreements if they're updated that would still be available to the public. Yes. Okay and then the other one is there was a comment about if the systems get updated they can be done so without the approval of the sheriffs. If flock updates their systems?
I don't have any information on that I'd have to check with flock how that works
okay So yeah that being said that's that's where I kind of stand on this. Thank you.
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Been up here a while, and I'm not here to sway anybody's opinion on this. Most if not all of us are adults in this room and everybody can make up their own mind on this. However, I do want to talk about the facts here. And they're the facts that I see and they're the facts with the Ventura County Sheriff and there are the facts with Camarillo specifically. I was elected as a Camarillo City Council member.
That is my purvey. That is my goal and objective. And that's who I will continue to serve. Fact number one courts have rendered that these are legal to use Fact number 2 is that they're at fixed locations. They read your license plate and they read the color of your car, and they could read the type of car that you're driving. Fact number 3 is Ventura County has been way out in the forefront of this and realized that there could be some misgivings in this, and that is why they put in real significant guardrails on this.
Fact number four, there's been no false arrests in Ventura County that I'm aware of. Fact number five is that this data is collected and it's deleted after one year. Fact number six, they do help crime. I'm going to paraphrase a little bit of Commander Dennison, bank juggling, mail theft Residential burglary, a lot of it comes from outside individuals here.
Fact number six there's weekly and daily audits on this. The fact is that it can be breached. That is specifically why we have guardrails on this to try to proceed and make sure that they don't happen, and if they do there's consequences. Fact number eight. We do not share any of this information with federal agencies. Fact number nine. I voted on this five years ago.
Previous council members and current council members voted on this for one very simple reason, they fight crime. That's all they do here is we approve this under the purvey of fighting crime. Another fact is we pay about $87,000 for this. It's $250,000 to put another sheriff and a car on our streets here. I think we get a lot of value on this. I'm fully aware that there could be some misgivings on this. I don't take that lightly and that is why once again that we put guardrails in place on this.
Commander Tennyson has explained and the Ventura County Sheriff's Office has explained that there are four very important things with all of this. Transparency, safeguard, accountability and results. I think that we have gotten a lot of real good data, a lot of good information and they've been very effective. Having said all that, I am not married to flock. If there's another organization or business that comes out here that can accentuate what we do to protect our residents of the city, count me in.
Thank you.
Thank you. Just a couple of quick follow-ups for the chief. We had a question from a member of the audience. Do we have red light cameras at any of our intersections? Or from our public works director? We do not. And she had one more question, and I'm going to forget what it was because I didn't write it down. I guess I'd also ask that through the city manager, Commander Tennyson look into the two cameras that Blanco specifically talked about.
And also somebody mentioned another...also the high school area. Look at those cameras and just report back to us through the city manager And I think with that Mister city manager you've heard the request of 2 of our council members and so we'd expect some follow-up at some point so again this is received in file. Thank you very much for your attendance. Madam city attorney.
This is on closed session,
yes, yes
we did conduct closed session earlier this evening on 2 matters and there was no reportable action taken
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