BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 September 2, 2026

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:02

Good evening. I'd like to call to order the regular meeting of the Moorpark City Council for September 2nd, 2026 and will Mark Chigars from the Volunteers in Policing please lead us in Would clerk please take roll?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role0:38

Good evening. Council Member Barrett.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed0:40

Present.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role0:41

Council Member Castro. Present. Council Member Delgado. Present. Council Member Means. Present Mayor Inegren.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:46

Present Next item is for proclamations and commendations for a certificate of recognition to Mark Chigaris for attaining over 10,000 volunteer hours with Moorpark Police Department's volunteering in police program Mark, will you come meet me up front? Today we recognize and celebrate a remarkable member of our community, Mark who along with his family made Moorpark his home 38 years ago.

Mark often says that our city's logo could be very well read, welcome you've reached the end of the rainbow. A sentiment that reflects both his love for this community and the spirit he brings to it. In 2011, after observing our volunteers and policing program in action on many occasions, Mark decided to join their ranks. He wanted to contribute directly to the safety and well-being of Moorpark, and over the past 15 years he has done exactly that.

His mission has always been simple—to cheerfully provide whatever support the police department needs. As Mark himself puts it, this is the best job I've ever had. Knowledge transfer and interaction with the Sheriff's Department personnel are fantastics. Mark's contributions have been exceptional, among them which is serving as a VIP field training officer bringing 10 new volunteers on board, coordinating VIP teams and working numerous all-hands call out events that require extended traffic control, scene security and other essential duties, volunteering at every 3rd of July event and surviving the egress each time We gotta fix that someday.

Overseeing weekly testing and calibration by the crime lab for the department, and CHP's portable blood alcohol testing equipment. Responding to hundreds of calls or service assigned to VIPs, issuing parking enforcement citations as needed, conducting more than 50 home security assessments to help keep our residents safe, assisting with numerous registrations for the Cognitive Impairment Registration Program His dedication has not gone unnoticed. Since becoming a volunteer, Mark has received an impressive 13 commendations recognizing his outstanding service, reliability and commitment to our community. When asked how it feels to have achieved this extraordinary milestone of 10,000 hours of service, Mark's response was immediate. Every one of those hours I was accompanied by another VIP.

Being part of a great team is what makes this a great job." Today we honor Mark not only for his service, but for the heart, dedication, humility he brings to Moorpark. His impact is immeasurable and our community is truly fortunate to have him as a part of the team. And Mark I gotta say, I always see you driving around smiling and doing a great job out there. Thank you so much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:52

Truly it's a pleasure. Thanks. Thank the city council and city management for establishing and supporting the volunteer policing program. It's a real pleasure to be able to directly give back, every volunteer can directly give back to the community in which we live right? And along with that, we also get to work and we have the honor and the privilege of working with the Sheriff's Department Something that not very many people get the opportunity to do. So we're part of the sheriff's team and the city team, and it feels great so thank you all of you for making it happen for all of us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:53

I'll just say a couple of words. One, my math isn't very good which is why I got into law enforcement in the first place but you know 10,000 hours so just a 40 hour work week that's just under five years worth of volunteering which is profound and we're extremely grateful Mark for all the help that you've given our deputies throughout the years Your knowledge and experience. And you're a mentor also to some of our new deputies in guiding them, so that does not go unnoticed. So thank you very much for everything you've done.

But we're also thankful for all of you, all the volunteer work that you do. You allow us to handle priority issues and concerns in the city. You're helping out with traffic, helping out with parking citations and things that our deputies would be doing otherwise. And so it's greatly appreciated. So thank you to each of you and I'd love to be able to get Mary if you're okay a photo with all of our volunteers and Mark up here, so if we could have y'all come up real quick?

I'm gonna move this mic out of the way

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed6:13

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed6:42

You won't be checking parking in the parking lot right now for citations, right? I'll need to be right back.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:10

All right, next item is five public comment. Are there any speakers?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role7:14

Yes Mr. Mayor I've received three speaker cards under public comment this evening. Our first speaker will be Daniel followed by Yawashin Organti probably got that wrong so Daniel you have three minutes to address the council under public comment

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed7:48

All right, good evening Council staff. There was a written supplemental for agenda item 10a as well as a written public comment submitted today. Most of my presentation today will be via those so I'm just drawing attention to them now. It's an eight-page fiscal review of item 10A directly to the city clerk for the official record. Highlights key policy concerns regarding uncapped rate escalators and technology pass-through risks. I urge the Council to direct staff to address the explicit recommendations, or at least consider them on page 8 before initiating the CFD formation.

The mayor had previously indicated that FLOC would return as an agenda discussion. It's not on tonight's agenda. I submitted a short illustrated public education exhibit explaining why this cannot remain buried inside contracts, police budgets or vendor substitutions. Please place Flowercreek and any proposed Axon replacement on a properly noticed agenda before renewal, expansion, replacement or further interrogation.

And I see that they already issued a supplemental correcting the math error on 10-D, but there were eight other questions attached with a supplemental that made the public record on that as well. Thank you very much and enjoy the supplementals.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed9:18

Thank you. The graphics are cool but they don't look like me though. Very wrinkled and old.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role9:28

And our next speaker is, I'm going to try it again, Yashawan Oregonti. I know how to say the last name. He'll be followed by Siguru Bhopali.

CommentYash OregontiProposedself-stated9:45

All right. Honorable Mayor, respected City Council members and distinguished members of the mayor's office and everyone else that's listening. My name is Yash Oregonti and I'm part of the Hindu community of Moorpark as well as a team council member or when when the next term comes up but so The reason I'm here today is we celebrate, today we're celebrating Raksha Bandhan which is a festival that holds a very special place in the hearts of millions of Hindus around the world. The word raksha means protection and bandhan means connection. Together it symbolizes a promise, a commitment to care for one another, to stand together and to uphold harmony in our community.

Traditionally, Raksha Bandhan is celebrated between siblings where a sister ties a sacred thread called Rakhi around her brother's wrist. But over time this festival has grown beyond family boundaries and it has become a symbol of unity gratitude and mutual respect. And that is why we are here today. This thread represents our gratitude for your guys' leadership, our respect for your dedication, our trust in the work you guys do every single day and our commitment to stand together as one unified community.

Moorpark is a city where diversity is not just present, it's embraced. We come from different backgrounds, cultures and different traditions yet we share the same streets, the same schools, the same parks and the same hope for our families Festivals like Raksha Bandhan remind us that unity is created by the understanding that we are all one family. In Hindu culture, we believe that leadership is a sacred responsibility.

A leader is someone who protects, guides and uplifts people. By tying this rocket, we symbolically acknowledge that responsibility and express our support for your continued efforts to keeping our cities safe and strong. We also want to express our appreciation for the openness and warmth with which Moorpark welcomes cultural traditions. We thank you for giving us these few minutes to share about our tradition. It means a great deal to us, and we hope this small gesture becomes a symbol of the bond between the Hindi community and the city leadership, a bond of respect, unity, and mutual support.

On behalf of the entire community, thank you for your time, your service, and your commitment to the people of Moorpark. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role12:25

And our last speaker under public comment is, oh boy, Siguru Bonopalli.

CommentSiguru BonopalliProposedself-stated12:40

Good evening Mayor and members of the City Council. My name is Siguru Bonopalli and I'm currently a freshman at Moorpark High School. It is an honor to be here today. Once again, we would like to sincerely thank the Mayor and City Council for giving us this opportunity to express our gratitude and share traditions. It was a privilege to celebrate Raksha Bandhan with all of you today by tying the Rakhi and sharing the meaning behind this beautiful tradition. We hope we were able to give you a glimpse into the values of family respect love and togetherness that are so important to others and our culture.

As we look ahead, I would also like to speak about another Hindu festival coming up in October and November Diwali. Diwali represents the victory of light over darkness, knowledge over ignorance, and good over evil. But Diwali is not only about celebration. It is also about giving back and serving others. As part of the Hindu community, we participate in Seva Diwali where communities come together to organize food drives, volunteer activities, donations and other service projects to support those in need.

With Diwali approaching I would like to respectfully request two things from our city. First, we ask the city to support and recognize Seva Diwali and the service activities organized by our community. We would love to work together with the city to encourage residents to participate and give back to our community. Second, as we have previously proposed, we ask the city to consider celebrating Diwali as an official city festival.

This would allow our entire community to come together, learn about Hindu traditions, enjoy cultural performances, and celebrate the values of unity, service, and togetherness. We are grateful for the growing recognition of Hindu traditions and Diwali in California, and we hope our city can continue to be part of that progress. Thank you Mayor and City Council for welcoming our community, listening to us, and giving us the opportunity to share our culture.

We look forward to celebrating Diwali with all of you and bringing its spirit of light and service to our community. Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role15:09

And that was the final public speaker under public comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed15:13

Thank you. Next item is 6, reordering of the agenda. Anything need to be pulled or reordered?

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CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction15:21

I would like to pull 8D please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed15:28

Anything else? OK, seeing none.

We'll move on to item 7, announcements, future agenda items and reports of meetings and conferences attended by council members and mayor. Start with Mr. Beames.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed15:43

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Over the past couple weeks I've done a couple very interesting things. One, I flew to New York City and attended an event at the New York City Public Library It was exceptional. And while it's a much grander scale than even what Moorpark is going to have, their use of collections and using the house of knowledge in the public place in order to engage people and bring them in and create a public discussion was exceptional. I look forward to Moorpark finding a way to do that in its own way so I continue to find myself in those environments exploring.

822. On 826, along with Councilmember Barrett and the Moorpark Morning Rotary we had the pleasure of putting on a police services station barbecue at our station here with both CHP and the deputies as I know all of you know but as a reminder We are the only location in California that has a single building that houses two separate law enforcement agencies, CHP and local deputies. And to see them work together to keep our communities safe every day is something I'm really proud of. So thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed17:01

you.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction17:05

On August 20th, I attended the Economic Development Collaboration meeting. We reviewed EDC's current financial position, several new and continuing regional economic development initiatives including small business support, broadband, Fathomworks and autonomous systems. We also discussed new partnerships and agreements intended to bring additional resources and opportunities to businesses throughout Ventura County.

On August 22nd, I attended the Ventura County Animal Services Clear the Shelters event. 29 dogs several of which were long-term dogs got adopted. 29 cats and kittens 10 bunnies and 3 guinea pigs for a total of 71 animals were adopted that day. On August 28th, I attended Moorpark High School football game which was a nail biter until the end we did end up beating Camarillo.

And on August 29th, they attended the High Street Arts Center Gala Annual gala is incredibly important, and it raises more money for the theater in one evening than all of the shows combined. And it helps to ensure the arts continue to thrive right here in Moorpark. It was a beautiful evening, lots of fun, and a great reminder of how lucky we are to have this historic theater in the heart of our city. That's it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed18:21

On August 25th, I attended the Tri-County Chamber Alliance board meeting. On August 26th, along with Council Member Means, I attended the Public Safety Recognition Barbecue. It was a great event and great to thank our wonderful law enforcement for all that they do for us here in Moorpark. On August 29th, I attended the High Street Arts Center Gala along with Councilmember Delgado.

Wonderful event as always they put on a great evening and if you have not been I would highly recommend marking your calendar for next August for that event. On September 1st, I attended the Moorpark Chamber Mixer at Sedora, a home and gift store here in Moorpark. If you have not been to Sedora they are located over in the center where Amazon Fresh used And it is a great, great place to buy gifts and home decor.

And please check that out. This afternoon I attended the Raska Badan ceremony that our local Hindu community did right here at City Hall. and got these threads tied around my wrists, along with Mayor Inegrin. So it was a beautiful ceremony and very nice to hear all the kind words and especially the children speaking up in their involvement in recognizing the city and what happens here.

I do have a future agenda item as well that I would like to add for discussing data centers.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed20:40

Okay, sounds good.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed20:44

And if there's a consensus with the council we will address that at future council meeting. All right thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed20:50

you. That's it? Okay, so for myself today I attended the Chamber of Government Relations meeting and then I along with Council Member Barrett attended the Raksha Bandhan ceremony which I'm probably gonna butcher this. I've tried to write it down and make sure I knew it right but symbolizes protection gratitude in the bond of goodwill and it's something that they present to public servants. They want to do our council and they also do the police station Services like that, and it's a great tradition.

Really wonderful people came out and really appreciate that. It was really nice to see that. And then I also attended the administrative finance and public safety meeting with council member or Mayor Pro Tem Castro just a minute ago. And that is all I have to report. I've got a few announcements here. Sign up now for fall classes at the Royal Vista Recreation Center. Programs offered include tennis, pickleball, golf, basketball, baking arts and crafts science and more. For details and to register visit city website at moorparkca.gov slash classes Movies in the Park, our USA 250 anniversary American movie road trip continues on Saturday September 12th with a screening of Super 8. The movie will be shown at Royal Vista Park starting at 7 15 p.m.

Admission is free and food is available for purchase. For details including the full road trip schedule visit moorparkca.gov slash movies And finally, put on your blades or quads and join us for Skate Night on Friday, September 18th from 6 to 8 p.m. Enjoy an evening of skating, music and games plus fun activities for non-skaters. The event takes place at the Arroyo Vista Community Park. The theme for September is Moorpark Top 40 so submit your request by September 15th. For more information or to submit a song request visit moorparkca.gov slash skate Next we'll move on to the consent item calendar. We pulled Item 8D, so I'll entertain a motion for the balance. I'll move the balance. Second. We have a motion and a second. We need a roll call vote.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion and a second. We need a roll call
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Council Member Barrett? Aye. Council Member Delgado? Aye. Council Member Means? Aye Council Member Castro? Aye Mayor Ingram? Aye

We'll move to item 8D, which is consider approving a two-year time extension for residential plan development permit number 2005-02. Investing tentative track map number 5739 pursuant to condition of approval number 2 of City Council resolution number 2022-4121 associated with the Everett Street Terraces Project for property located at the intersection of Everett Street and Walnut Canyon Road on application of Stanley Chu on behalf of John Chu LPN.

Mr. Erickson?

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CommentBlake EricksonProposedself-stated24:11

Good evening. Honorable mayor and members of the council. My name is Blake Erickson and I'm the assistant planner for the city. I prepared a brief presentation for this item but first just wanted to ask if there were any specific question that the council had for me or the applicant or if you'd like me to proceed with my presentation.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction24:30

I mean I have several questions but if you would like to proceed

CommentBlake EricksonProposedself-stated24:35

OK sounds good. You pulled it.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction24:36

I know yeah that's fine go ahead.

CommentBlake EricksonProposedself-stated24:41

Thank you. Item 8D is a request to approve a two-year time extension for Residential Plan Development Permit Number 2005-02 and Vesting Tentative Tract Map Number 5739, pursuant to Condition of Approval Number 2 of City Council Resolution Number 2022-4121 associated with the Everett Street Terraces Project at the intersection of Everett Street and Walnut Canyon Road.

The applicant first applied for project entitlements in December 2005 and the project was approved by the City Council on September 7th, 2022 for 60 attached multifamily residential condominium units on 2.44 acres. The entitlements were initially set to expire two years after approval with provisions allowing additional extensions based on certain findings.

The community development director previously granted two one year extensions in August 2024 and August 2025. Those extensions bring the current expiration date to September 7th 2026. As the project has exhausted all time extensions that may be granted by the Community Development Director, the applicant Stanley Chu on behalf of John Chu LPN is now requesting a two-year time extension from the City Council.

In their extension request letter, the applicant cites economic disruptions to the construction financing environment caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. Continued financing market headwinds following the pandemic and their efforts to advance the project forward including pursuing prior extensions, participating in annual development agreement reviews, maintaining communications with the city through land use consultants, engaging developers and builders contacting financial institutions regarding construction financing, and continuing to assess project feasibility as market conditions evolve.

In evaluating the request, staff considered the findings contained in Condition No. 2 of Resolution 2022-4121, specifically whether there have been changes in the adjacent area that would warrant reconsideration of the approved project and whether the applicant has demonstrated diligent efforts towards use inauguration. Staff has found that there have been no substantial changes in the adjacent area that would warrant reconsideration of the approved project, and that the applicant has demonstrated diligent efforts towards use inauguration consistent with the basis provided in their extension request.

If the time extension request is approved by the City Council, the existing entitlements would expire on September 7th, 2028 unless a final map is recorded and a building permit issued which would inaugurate the use. The proposed action does not modify the previously approved project and staff has determined that no subsequent environmental review is required under CEQA.

Therefore, staff recommends that the council approve a two-year time extension for Residential Plan Development Permit Number 2005-02 and Vesting Tentative Tract Map Number 5739 pursuant to Condition of Approval Number 2 of City Council Resolution Number 2022-4121. Thereby extending the expiration date to September 7th, 2028. This concludes my presentation. Staff's available for any questions and the applicant, Stanley Chu is here to answer any questions that council has related to their extension request.

Thank you. Are there

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:48

any questions of

CommentBlake EricksonProposedself-stated28:49

staff?

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction28:49

Yes, so I don't know maybe this is better for the applicant or you can decide. In the four years since the 2022 approval what tangible milestones or are there any other tangible milestones to be had aside from investigating financing or other developers that would... That makes sense for us to just continue this an additional two years?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed29:23

Thank you, Councilmember. I'll ask Mr. Stanley Chu to approach on that item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed29:31

Boy, thank you for the question and thank you for considering this request for an extension. It's a really viable project that has faced some pretty big headwinds. Council Member Delgado, you asked about tangible milestones in the last four years. We've met with three different development organizations and the challenge we're facing is the pro forma of the project today looks very different than it did When the project was entitled COVID drove escalation in the building industry that is just the cost of doing this job is really different than it was before. The developers brought that to our attention and we are struggling, I mean we're working hard to bring this project to fruition but The reality is between escalation and then, you know as Blake mentioned another pretty significant thing is that the increase in interest rates has not yet come down.

So the cost of getting that we need more money and the cost of getting money has increased. And then on top of that my father has been through a pretty significant illness which really limited our ability to respond to these challenges. We believe in the project, it was I would say in some ways collaboratively created with the City of Moorpark. In response to a need, it's in a fantastic location, it is so close to the transit station and rail line.

It's just we need a little more time to make it happen. Does that answer your question?

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction31:02

Yes, but in two more years we can only predict that costs will probably continue to go up. Are you just hoping for interest rates to come down since it's either cost or interest rates or both?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed31:18

It's the whole pro forma, getting the thing to pencil. And we're confident that interest rates are going to go down and that our finances will be in a place to get the project started.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction31:29

So where do they need to come down? At what level do they need to come down to to be able to make this a feasible project?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed31:37

Yeah I don't know that I can just answer that off the top of my head. We have been seeking development partners so some of this is a kind of dance or collaboration with a development group So it's an extremely viable project, so it's got that going

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction31:51

for us. It's a great project. I've been looking forward to seeing it. If you're

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed31:56

interested in being involved in it we'd invite you too. You can make all this

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction32:01

happen next week! Okay thank you very much. I do have one question for staff. If this project were to expire what could potentially happen with the lot and another developer?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed32:13

You don't want to know. Thank you, Council Member. So the entitlements that we're talking about, the vesting tentative map and the residential plan development permit, they are also linked to a development agreement which I believe will be valid through 2040. Is that right,

CommentBlake EricksonProposedself-stated32:26

Blake?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed32:27

2042. 42, thank you. So that would put the applicant in a position if the entitlements were to expire to seek to either re-entitle the project as it was proposed or bring back some alternative project and seek an amendment to their development agreements. Those are kind of the scenarios we'd looking at, but essentially in a lot of ways Mr. Chu would be starting over he would have to design that project go through Planning Commission City Council and environmental review

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction32:55

Okay, thank you What a one-year extension suffice or are you looking for two?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed33:02

I think two is safer. I think two is safer

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed33:04

okay Where's your plan if we're in the same spot in two years

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed33:14

Well, I think that we are going to be able to adjust the scope of the project to keep that from happening. So it's hard. The only thing I could do is stand here and speculate. So I think we can make it happen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed33:35

It's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed33:37

a great project.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed33:41

Do we have any other public comment?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role33:44

No, Mr. Mayor, that is the only speaker card I have on this item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed33:47

Okay, thank you. Thank you for considering it.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction33:56

No, I just wanted to hear if they still thought it would be feasible in two years and what exactly they were waiting for besides interest rates It's fine, I mean, I'm fine with moving it forward. I just wanted to make sure we were gonna continue to extend and extend and extend on a project that might not be viable anymore.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed34:15

Right, the alternative to approving it doesn't sound

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction34:18

favorable at all. Correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed34:21

Multiple reasons. Any other comments or discussions?

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction34:27

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed34:29

You wanna

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction34:29

do it? Nope, sure. We grant the extension

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed34:34

Second. Motion and a second by Means. And we'll need a roll call vote.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 Motion and a second by Means. And we'll need a roll call
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Council Member Dodara, aye. Council Member Means, aye. Council Member Barrett, aye. Council Member Castro, aye Mayor Ingram, aye

All right, next is item nine, public hearings. There are none so

we'll move on to item 10. Item A is to consider the police services fiscal impact analysis for a proposed citywide community facilities district. Mr. Laurentowski?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed35:07

Thank you Mayor and members of the City Council. In April of last year, staff presented an agenda report to the City Council regarding the creation of a citywide community facilities district. As you recall this was completed in parallel with the Beltramo Ranch CFD. However because CFDs offer a wide range of facilities and services that could be included in a citywide CFD, the City Council directed staff to bring back a future agenda report regarding The creation of a citywide CFD that also considers funding for future police services that will be necessary as the city nears build-out. So in October of last year, the City Council approved an agreement with SCI Consulting Group to assist the city with the formation of a citywide CFD. The agreement included a three phased approach in which phase one involves the preparation of a financial impact analysis related to police services So with that, I would like to introduce Blair Ross with SCI who will summarize the findings outlined in the FIA.

Blair is attending us via Zoom tonight so and I will go through the presentation for Blair.

CommentBlair RossProposed · by introduction36:22

Well thank you Jeremy and good evening Mayor Pro Tem and council members. For tonight, I think it'd be best if I just started with the question that this analysis was prepared to answer. So Moorpark does not have its own police department. The city contracts with the Ventura County Sheriff's Office and that contract is really the single largest service cost in the city's general fund As the City approves new development under its General Plan 2050, the Sheriff's Office has to expand what it provides.

So there's going to be more residents, more businesses, more calls, more deployed hours etc., and that expansion has a cost And the city pays that under the contract. So now new development also generates revenue, property tax revenue, sales tax revenue, other reoccurring revenue sources So the question that we are asked, that we're asking is relatively straightforward.

Will the revenue covered by the added police costs generated by city-approved new development projects, will it, will the revenue cover those costs or will there be a shortfall that would negatively impact the City's General Fund and the City's finances? So one point I'd like to emphasize before we go any further, you know whatever comes out of this applies only to future development that hasn't been built yet. There's nothing here that changes what existing residents or businesses pay So to answer that question, the first thing that we need to do is to measure the growth itself. So Jeremy if you could advance the next slide?

So every number in this analysis traces back to the city's general plan We didn't build any of our own growth forecasts. We used the city's adopted forecast, so the analysis rests on that document that's already been approved by the council and that plan projects roughly 5500 new dwelling units and another 7300 new jobs at build out of the plan. So we need So for this analysis, we need one number that captures how much police demand that that growth is going to generate.

And that's what that surface population represents. It's a combination of residents and workers because the police serve the people who live here and who work here and shop here right? So applied to those city projections, new development is projected to add about 19,700 growth in the service population. So from roughly 40,000 to 60,000 and again that's service population. That single number drives everything on the next two slides So that's the, this is the demand side. So the next question is what are the costs to serve that new demand?

What are the cost attributable to that new demand? So the approach here is deliberately simple. We're not projecting a future Police budget. We're not trying to anticipate what that's going to look like in 10, 15, 20 years. What we're asking is what is the cost to serve one person today and then use that to apply to future growth? So there's two things about what's in that costs. So first we've counted only reoccurring costs, so the cost of the current contract and vehicles and equipment that it provides.

So capital facilities like police stations and substations are handled through development impact fees, so they're not included in this analysis. Secondly, we only use part of the budget that actually grows with the city. So some departments grow a lot with service population and some budgets barely at all. So we went through department by department in keeping only that share that responds to growth.

And of course police is at the top of that range but roughly that works out to be total budget about 46% of the total And then breaking that down, that results to about $223 per person per year or roughly 4.4 million dollars annually at build-out. And again we're talking at build-out but again this is in current dollars. That's typical with this type of an analysis.

So that is actually the costs so the next side is the other side of the ledger which is the revenues So, new development of course is gonna generate real revenue and in this analysis we've given it full credit for all of it. Property tax revenue, property tax in lieu of vehicle license fee, transfer taxes, sales taxes and any other reoccurring general fund revenue sources. And that's about $8.3 million a year at build out But not all of that revenue is available for police. It funds a whole range of city services, and so we credited new development with police's share of that which is using the same figure 46.3%. So that comes down to roughly $3.8 million.

So setting against that $4.4 million in cost, and then we credit 3.8, that covers about 87% of its own police costs. So it's close but it doesn't quite get there. There is a short call projected to come from residential development. Commercial and industrial development are approximately cost neutral. So I would characterize them that way, rather than a surplus because the results are sensitive to assumptions about future residential sales that nobody can really pin down at this stage. So that's sort of the gap.

It's not significant but it can add up annually and over time So here's what it would look like on a per unit basis. So this table takes the shortfall and turns it into a per-unit number, so the residential gap is divided by the units that are projected to be generated according to the general plan and that's roughly $111 a year for a new single family home and then $195 a year for a multi-family housing unit.

So two things to note, there's no citywide proposed rate for commercial and industrial because those categories are already sort of covering their police costs. And these rates recover only the gap So they don't really, so they don't recover the full cost of police services. Now if you notice there's a difference between the two housing types single family and multifamily That rate isn't what it costs to serve those residents, those housing units.

It's what's left over after we account for the revenue that's generated by each types of these projects. So multifamily actually costs less to serve, but it also generates a lot less revenue because property tax revenue is based upon assessed value. And so I believe we have a single family home on average is about $950,000 a unit. But a multi-family apartment unit on average is about half a million dollars.

So there's that lot less revenue. So the single family ends up covering about 86% of its own cost But multifamily covers only 60% of the costs. And so that's the difference between the two rates. So next, let me show you that calculation in the three steps really just simply. And so this is really the whole analysis on one slide. So what it takes to serve this new population, again in current dollars, is about $4.4 million a year.

New development is going to generate about 8.3 million in revenue and that share that's attributable to police services is about 3.8 So subtracting that from $4.4 million of cost, you're left with an unfunded amount. And then we simply take for the two, the single family and the multi-family residential categories, we just take those deficits divided by the projected number of units to get the cost per year for each.

So again, I wanna just sort of underline one thing here. So these are just planning level figures. These are not the proposed actual tax rates. So they don't include CFD administration. They don't include annual escalations. They don't include other policy directions from the council. So this is just one phase that sort a foundation for work to occur when we go to start to form the citywide CFD.

And at that citywide formation, the rate and the method of how these special taxes are determined one will be a maximum tax which will set the ceiling and can't be and can be lowered but never raised And then underneath that will be this annual special tax. It's often a formula, which is what the council year after year will use to determine the levies for that upcoming fiscal year and it would be more tied to an analysis like this which supports it.

So the council keeps room at the top But the levy stays anchored to some actual costs. But again, that's work that hasn't been done yet would come in the future. So these are how the numbers are built. Let me close with where we go from here and then the next slide. So again as I mentioned this is Really like the first phase, it establishes an approximate cost basis. The second phase is the council gives direction is to form the citywide CFD conceptually the one that we brought forward due to last year and we paused on it because you wanted to consider incorporating police services as a cost component And so that's the citywide CFDs where the actual rate structure is written.

And so the CFD would be built upon to carry two cost components, if you recall. So there'd be the police services cost component which is what we're discussing today. And then alongside that would be the project-specific components, which would be those services that would be unique to the residential development project in question and so that can vary from project to project depending upon the unique aspects of what's in that development project And then additionally, we would propose creating tax zones.

So that the first development that forms a CFD and then subsequent annexations into that CFD would be put in its own tax zone, and would have its own rate for each based upon the police services component and these project-specific components. And they can vary from tax zone to stack zone with uniformity for the CFD So with that, I'll turn it back to Jeremy.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed51:36

So thank you, Baylor. So City Council we are simply asking that you would consider this fiscal impact analysis for a citywide community facilities district and provide direction to staff particularly should we move forward with this as we develop the citywide CFD. That concludes our report. Thank you. Are there any questions of staff?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed52:02

Mr. Meehan?

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction52:04

Okay. Will the CFD rates and assumptions be recalculated periodically? If actual development, city revenues and share of contract costs differ materially from the projections.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed52:17

Yes as Blair mentioned we're what we would do is we would establish a maximum assessment and that is the maximum we could ever tax. The actual cost that would be levied for each of the homeowners would be based directly on what our contractual costs are So it's the actual cost of what we budget every year for police services. Similar how we structure LMDs in the city, we have an LMD for 20 various communities.

There's a maximum ceiling on those LMDs, which is the maximum rate. That rate escalates every year with CPI. However, every year we put together our budget for every LMD so the amount of money that's actually levied from those property owners is based on our actual budget rather than any assumptions.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction53:11

Got one more. Can you clarify which developments would be subject to the CFD from the outset and which sorry would be included only voluntary voluntarily?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed53:24

So right now we have seven developments that have development agreements Those development agreements are very specific to what can be included in the CFD, specifically landscaping storm drain facilities and things like that. They do not include police services, hitch ranch, specific communities, the project we just heard about and several others that have all been entitled and have development agreements.

So we would need voluntary concurrence from those developers to include this police services component into the CFDs as those are developed in the future. We've spoken to some of them already, there's no real objection to it, it's just at the time They didn't know the cost and they didn't know the cost of the CFD, and I think those will be evaluated as we move in towards developing those CFDs.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed54:29

Thank you for the explanation, I appreciate it a lot. Good to see you again Blair. When you talked about step two annual escalations and the cap with Prop 13 being a thing in California provided that it doesn't change no matter what cap we set our revenues are going to be limited at build out to whatever Prop 13 will allow us to continue to collect at least from that portion of our revenue So if you go in into the future looking far out, we will. Will we eventually hit that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed55:02

cap? Well, the plan is no getting there is what's going to be tricky and I think Blair could probably describe it a little bit more as we develop the final cap. How would that caps can be established You know, the cap does escalate annually with CPI and we could put a rate of what that escalation can be. I believe we don't have to set it at CPI. It could be a little higher than CPI and that's something I think we'll get into a lot more discussion when we bring that report to you once we've really developed that but ultimately the goal would be that we would never reach that cap That that escalation would cover those costs. And that's again, it's the maximum and we wanna quite frankly want to keep it a little higher so that we never reach it and would have to go out to the homeowners to vote.

I don't give anything additional you wanna add Blair?

CommentBlair RossProposed · by introduction56:02

Yeah, I agree. The cap is really to... the maximum special tax is really to provide for some sustainability and longevity for the CFD. So you just always want to structure that cap to anticipate contingencies of cost escalation, inflation higher than the CPI if the contract ends up going up 10% for one reason or another above and beyond Inflationary adjustment, you want to be able to recover those costs. And so you don't want ever get to a point where it's outdated or you're having a shortfall that your actual costs exceed the maximum cap.

But so that's where we just, it's common to put a little bit of contingency, a buffer in the maximum tax. That's anchored to reasonable cost analysis like we provided so that it just gives us the sustainability but keep that in mind too that if in 20 years the CFD just isn't structured right, it doesn't quite fit to the circumstances and You can always just do a new CFD and make some slight adjustments, but this just allows you to keep the CFD going.

So typically we like to structure it for that longevity. But that's something that we'd all work out with you and what your options are for that.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed57:40

Any other questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed57:45

One question, if one of the seven currently proposed or currently approved developments were to open their development agreement for some reason because they want to make a change or something would we be able to add this in at that point?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed58:04

I would assume so. I don't know if Doug's got a better answer than I assume so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed58:11

Yes councilmember Barrett that would allow us the opportunity to pursue that in it as part of those negotiations

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed58:23

Do we have any speakers?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role58:25

Yes, Mr. Mayor we have one speaker card on this item from Daniel but I don't see him in the room at the moment also there was a supplemental submitted by Mr. Politi as well with respect to this item that is in your packet but I do not see him here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed58:46

Okay, all right we'll move to discussion then. Yeah I understand the point behind this it's tough because we're being forced by the state to constantly keep expanding but there's no money coming in to do so. So we either expand and have less services for everyone else at Moorpark or we have to do something like this which I don't see any other ways around this one, but what are your thoughts?

Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed59:22

thanks mr. Mayor I appreciate staff bringing this forward Agreed that you know, there's only one way to generate revenue sometimes What I feel good about though is that I mean we've known from our citizens that they value safety We've continued to be at one of the safest cities in the state Yes, there can be a point of diminishing returns where you can spend a lot of money and not I'm not going to go into the details of that right now, but it's something we've been working on for a number of years. We're trying to make sure that we don't climb that rank any higher, but this at least is allowed to maintain a quality of life and level service. And then later on as was suggested should this revenue not keep pace with the demands than their future council can make a decision

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:00:03

I just, I think it's necessary. Not only do I think it's necessary, I think it's appropriate. The developments that are coming online and moving forward are going to impact our city, going to impact the citizens and the property owners that are here. By making these changes to those properties we will have greater costs. We know it, we can forecast it, and we can offset some of it. The cost that we have right now when you use straight line math are going to be limited by Prop 13, and so having something with a cap that can grow to offset some of that difference is one of the only ways that we'll be able to keep ourselves solvent as a city.

Because we can't mix items, the last item that we talked about, they wanted an extension. That could be a good time in future conversations Inject, okay, the developer wants something. Here's an opportunity to have the CFD but this isn't figured out yet so I'm not sure that would've been an appropriate discussion but I would like to see those if this goes through when this goes through, I'd like to see those in each of those conversations because that is a way to recap the impact, the financial impact that the new property changes are having on the existing city.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:01:20

I was pleasantly surprised it was as low as it is, to be quite honest. And so this is exactly what we asked for and pleased with the result.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:01:33

Right. The only other alternative is lowering police services and not being fourth safest city in California and falling into that dark hole. So yeah, I'm okay with this. Someone wants to make a motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:01:50

Is there a motion to be had or is it just guidance?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:01:53

I believe we just need concurrence to move forward with this. A move to concur.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:01:58

We got a motion and I'll second the concurrence. Direction's good, we have direction? PJ?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:02:11

Yes Mayor, now we have your direction. We will go ahead and consider police services in community facilities districts on any current and for future developments.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:02:30

Next is presentation action discussion item 10 B and it's considered disposition direction for 112, 124 and 136 First Street. And consider disposition direction for 224 and 236 Charles Street I believe we have some recusals

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:02:49

Yes, Mr. Mayor I'm recusing myself from the consideration of this agenda item until the recusal segment that applies to properties 224 and 236. Charles Street has been acted upon by the rest of the City Council. This is because those properties are located within a thousand feet of my residence on Charles Street. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:03:09

Mr. Mayor, I'm also recusing myself from consideration of this agenda item until the recusal segment that applies to properties at 224 and 236 Charles Street has been acted upon by the rest of City Council. This is because these properties are adjacent to property owned by my employer.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:03:27

Thank you. All right, Ms. Sandifer?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:03:49

Good evening Mayor Enneagrin and City Council members, I do have a script regarding the segmentation discussion that I will read as quickly as I can. So as we were talking about this agenda item is for city council to consider and provide feedback on certain city-owned properties on First Street and Charles Street. The staff report and presentation of this agenda item is being divided into two sections.

First, we've already heard the recusal statement so we're just going to address the recusal segment The affected council members have already read their statements and left the dais, so check that off. And then what we're going to do now is I will go through the full presentation on all of the properties after the presentation. We can ask for public comments on the agenda item And then we'll seek City Council's consideration on first the Charles Street properties which are the recusal segment.

Once we have discussion and decision on that section of property, I will bring the other council members back and we'll have the discussion on the First Street properties. I think that covers it in a quick way. So with that, I'll go ahead and start the presentation. Okay, so first we'll provide, I'll try to make it a brief refresher on the Surplus Land Act. I understand that most of you are probably well aware at this point but in case we have some new folks in the audience.

Basically local governments must follow the Surplus Land Act when property owned by the agency is deemed no longer needed for government use. The SLA governs not only the sale of property but long-term leases of 15 or more years The process involves declaring a property surplus or exempt surplus and following the procedures outlined in the SLA. Generally for surplus properties, it means offering the property to interested affordable housing agencies, school districts, or open space agencies. Those parties have 60 days to respond and if responses are received there is a required 90 day good faith negotiation process.

If there is no agreement on a deal after that 90 day period, the agency's free to dispose of the property to the general public The SLA does require that a covenant be recorded on the property, that if 10 or more residential units are built 15% of them must be affordable. For exempt surplus property it means making findings that the property is exempt and so those findings include land size of less than half an acre Not located near the coast state park historical place or adjacent to affordable housing, already affordable housing development. The exempt surplus designation is a shorter process that does not include the 60 or 90 day notice and negotiation periods and land can be disposed of 30 days after the exemption determination has been provided to HCD.

And then beyond the SLA, depending on the type of property that we're disposing. There may be other requirements related to the zoning code planning commission approval or if property used as parkland is surplused and you need to comply with other requirements. So generally, we have discussed these properties before in November of 2025 when we had the initial property workshop.

At that time all of these parcels were encumbered by an ENA with the Area Housing Authority as part of a future scattered site affordable housing development. Since that discussion, the Area Housing Authority has terminated their ENA citing changed economic conditions that make the development project infeasible. And so just as part of the discussion tonight, there's a few reminders.

The properties at 224 and 236 Charles, let me pull up the... Which is the recusal segment. Our successor housing agency parcels as well as the properties on 124 and 136 First Street. Because they were purchased with the RD housing funds, any proceeds of their sale needs to be deposited in the successor housing agency fund. Similarly if the city likes to keep the parcels then we just have to make a transfer from city funds to the successor housing agency funds.

The funds have to be used specifically for construction of new affordable housing or preservation of existing units and a portion of it can be used for homelessness prevention and administrative costs. Also the property located at 112 First Street is a bond funded property, so the proceeds of that sale if it is determined to be sold would have to be used to defuse outstanding RDA housing bonds.

So the parcels are all zoned R1. They're approximately 7,405 square feet each. Should the City Council move forward with disposition of the properties we believe that the properties at 224 and 236 Charles Street could be considered exempt surplus property and would be subject to that shorter disposition period but the properties on First Street by virtue of being three properties contiguous to each other To be safe it's best to put those properties through the full SLA because if they do get purchased by one buyer, the properties would be subject to the full SLA. So we just get it out of the way and then see what happens. We could still...it wouldn't prohibit us from selling them individually though, if that makes sense.

So as noted, the purpose of our discussion for tonight is to receive direction from the City Council regarding retention or disposition of the properties. And for the first recusal segment we do have the Charles Street property so I do have those up just to remind you they're to the east of Bard and Charles. Again 7405 square feet per lot zoned R1 eligible to be declared exempt surplus land as we mentioned.

And then I'll just talk about Maybe we can stop here and do the recusal segment, and then I can go over the other ones when the other council members come back. So we'll stop here, and we will entertain discussion and direction on the Charles Street parcels.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:10:12

Thank you. Are there questions of staff? Not anymore. Okay. What are these properties zoned right now? It's residential?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:10:25

Yes R1.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:10:31

So with these two, I don't want to get into a future conversation about something else. But I think I'd rather want to keep these ones open for possibilities possibly at park use

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:10:46

And I think it may relate to the point the question you're asking. You've made a statement that if we want to keep the parcels, we would just have to transfer funds. Have I heard you right? So if we wanted to keep the parcels for city use... We would not have to go through the SLA at this time, or would we be wise to go through the SLA process to get it cleared? Maybe you can give me a little clarity.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:11:33

The transfer of the funds just clears the successor housing agency designation from the parcels so we would not have to go through the SLA but if we wanted to do something other than affordable housing with them we would just have to make that transfer from unrestricted city funds to the successor housing agency fund. And then the city would be free to do whatever they would like with it. Right now, with the successor housing agency designation, we either have to sell it to develop affordable housing which we've not been successful at doing or sell it so that we can regain the funds for this successor housing agency fund.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:12:11

Perfect, so far it makes sense even to me. If we were to transfer the funds so it gets out of that designation, assume it has a city use 20 years from now or whatever time frame I'm trying to avoid the 15 year mark, 20 years from now we decide oh, we wanna sell it do we then have to go back to affordable housing? Or since we've transferred it out of the designation then we could sell it, that seems like a bit of a loophole

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:12:39

Right, it's if you decide in the future that you have no municipal purpose for the property and then it would have to go through the SLA just like any other unrestricted city property that we have.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:12:50

It would have to go through it again?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:12:52

Yeah, well we're not so the process of the transferring you're not deeming the property exempt surplus when you transfer the funds. You're just changing how the city can use the property but it's not actually going through the Surplus Land Act in that regard. So if you decide to keep it and You know, non-residential use for it. If we make that fund transfer then we're free to do what we would like municipal purpose we would like to do with it if that makes sense.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:13:28

But then municipal use for years, we decided to sell it later. It has to go back to affordable housing. If we were to go through SLA now and an acceptable offer was not made, does that then become free and clear? Or can we then buy it from ourselves without having the requirement to go back to affordable housing developers later?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:13:56

So because this parcel would qualify as exempt surplus in any scenario. So even if you retain it for municipal use now we make the fund transfer to pay back the housing agency and we decide to do a municipal use on it then the oh my God I lost my train of thought that's terrible Sorry, and then in the future we decide that we're not gonna have a municipal use for it. And we decide to go back and surplus it. It would be part of the exempt surplus. We could exempt surplus this property so it wouldn't have to be offered to affordable housing developers. It could just be disposed of once we do the paperwork with HCD.

So if we keep it and we wanna do something with it, we're free to do that because the city owns it now as the successor housing agency. It's just taking away the shade of the successor housing agency by transferring the funds for the land value, but you would still keep it and it would not have gone through the Surplus Land Act at that point if that makes sense?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:07

I think so. Thank you. All right, I want to clarify that somehow without the background accounting and shifting around of titles of land this land is it does not have to go through the SLA we don't have to go through affordable housing it could essentially be whatever we want can we sell it as commercial I'm not saying we're going to but could he do that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:15:32

I mean, that's a bigger question. But effectively no because commercial is in a municipal use, right? So it's sort of a two-pronged approach, I think if the city council should decide they want to maintain the property not dispose of it for a municipal use and that municipal use is something else then You can do that. We just need to do the accounting,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:16:02

right? Okay we got that so we can do that yeah and then if you want to sell it for something else whether it's to be developed as a residential or commercial or something how do you go through

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:16:14

them? That would have to go through the Surplus Land

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:16:16

Act

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:16:18

But the process would be the shorter process so you wouldn't necessarily have to offer it to affordable housing developers. You would go through the shorter process and you could sell it, a person may want to do a single family home or whatever on both of those lots that would be what would happen after you go through the Surplus Land Act.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:16:37

Right, so you go through the Surface Land Act and you could do residential or commercial or whatever in that sense there. The person who purchases it could do that, yeah. Okay, and you don't have to engage in a good faith negotiation with anyone necessarily? For these things, yeah. Okay, that makes sense. Does that make sense?

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:16:56

Yes. Okay. Quick question, have we done or will there be an appraisal so that we know and I'm assuming we have to buy it at today's market value.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:17:07

Yeah, and we have not done the appraisal but yeah, there would be appraisal in that when we come back with that land value for the city council and it would be appraised as vacant residential property

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:17:19

And if we were not to keep it in transfer funds for municipal use, would we be selling these as both individual parcels and as well as together?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:17:30

Yeah. It'd be sort of like what people approach you, what they want to do, and then you make the decision on the sale.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:17:38

Do we have an estimate of what these parcels will cost? If you don't hold me to it,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:17:44

I will give you mine. I would assume they would be similar to the land value on Walnut Canyon less because they're not as large so maybe in the $200,000 range there's a little bit of interest in Charles Street right now I think for building custom homes so I'd be curious to see what their appraisals actually come out at but yeah.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:18:07

And would it be coming from general funds or from another fund source?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:18:11

That would be up to the City Council to decide. It would just have to be some other unrestricted fund, probably the general fund. That's what

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:18:19

I figured, okay. Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:18:21

you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:18:24

We have, so right now it's residential. If we change the use to something that's not residential does that mean our Dorena numbers need to be shifted somewhere else?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:18:36

I would ask Mr. Spondello on that. I'm not up to speed on Dorena anymore

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:18:44

It's a question I think we'd want to be developed a little more deliberately regarding the proposal. I don't believe that these sites are included in our site inventory as affordable housing sites, so there may be a secondary obligation to ensure that loss doesn't carry forward.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:19:01

Yeah, so under the Housing Crisis Act a city is not allowed to change the zoning of a property that was zoned as a residential use to a non-residential use. As of I believe what it was zoned for as if I think it's July 1st 2018 or it might be January 1st 2018 but whatever that from the 2018 date on If it was zoned residential, you can't change that to a non-residential use without having to make up the lost acreage. So the acreage here if you were to change it to different zoning designation, you'd have to make up that loss of acreage somewhere else and within 180 days upzone that other property.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:19:43

We're already so far over our Rena numbers already. I can't imagine that two small parcels would make

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:19:49

so this is not Dorena So there's two different no net loss provisions under state law we have the no net loss under housing element law which is where we're talking about the site inventory in the Dorena and So if this is not a housing element site, we don't have to worry about the RHNA numbers. There is a different no net loss under the Housing Crisis Act which expressly provides that you can't down zone property from residential use to a non-residential use or decrease the density from what it existed as of January 1st 2018 without having to upzone similar acreage elsewhere in the city.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:20:35

So just for clarity, if we were to decide this is open space in a municipal use, we would then have to go find another set of parcels of land and increase that density within 180 days in order to make this exactly what it is today with no house on it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:20:59

Yes, and I can find the exact code section for you and read it to you if you'd like. Oh,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:21:03

I believe you. Yeah. I don't mean to have a tone. If I do, it is with the state of California not with you but thank you for that clarity.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:21:15

This is probably too early to ask this question but Mr. Spondella, do you have an idea in mind of how you would go about this equation here?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:21:25

The designation of other property in the city.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:21:30

I think that's outside the scope of what we're discussing right now, so I think what we're focusing right now really is does the city want to retain these two parcels for a city use or does the city want to declare them surplus land and dispose of the property? And so we don't need to necessarily discuss tonight what that use would be, what we'd have to upsell, any of those changes. I think it's just do we want to keep them or not? But I think it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:21:59

would... Yeah, one is stay compliant obviously. My opinion might change on whether or not we wanna retain these parcels based on the impact that it is likely to have. So will we have to put a different agenda item together in the future to have a broader scope in order to have that conversation?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:22:19

I would want to let me just put this forward while that question sits, but there are a number of uses permitted in this zone that do not involve residential development. Government uses for example could be developed in the R1 Zone as is, but again I'll defer to Ms. Marconi.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:22:38

So the agenda item expressly says provide directions to staff on disposition or retention of properties. I mean that's what's before you, do you wanna retain or do you wanna dispose? I think if we're talking about what should we rezone it as, I think that's probably going outside the scope but just do we wanna retain or not?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:23:00

Councilmember means yes, whatever direction you provide us on these properties We would have to come back to you in a future agenda item because based on what your decision is tonight could then impact other items Or things that are related to your decision this evening. So we would have to come back and return to you

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:23:19

I think the difficult part and I think this is what you were getting at council member means is that How do we know if we should be keeping these or disposing of them, if we don't know what the repercussion is going to be? If we need to change some other parcel. So I guess that's my question. I feel like I need more information to make this decision tonight.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:23:40

Right, so I think that's what that next meeting is. So I can kind of tie that one together. I think we're looking at it right now is do we want to... Do you want to go with it and keep it the same thing like that or do I'm looking look into alternative uses? If alternative uses is what we want to look into, that's when we'll hear from Doug about how that would work, how we penciled that whole thing out and we can make that decision to do that at the time or not.

Does that makes sense?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:24:07

It makes sense good and yet it makes no sense. I understand.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:24:16

So do we have all the questions asked? I think we got all the questions asked, yeah. We can get into discussion if you want to right now. Anyone have any more questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:24:21

Yeah and Mayor and Council just to clarify yes you're absolutely correct I mean you provide us direction this evening we would have to come back and provide you other context and impacts so it's not as if your decision tonight is final you can simply direct staff to go in a certain direction and then come back with more information. Okay sure.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:24:41

Do we have any

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:24:41

speakers?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:24:45

No, Mr. Mayor not on item 10A. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:24:48

we'll discuss so as I said when I jumped in earlier I'd like to explore municipal uses of these properties obviously going through with municipal uses on this property would mean that there is a trade-off somewhere else which is to be determined in the next time we talk about this So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:25:18

just I don't know if staff was clear on that direction, but when you say municipal uses not

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:25:24

housing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:25:24

Yeah, we don't want to take it through SLA until we know what other municipal uses we can talk about but we can't talk about that right now is that

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:25:35

Well it's not taking it through SLA, but it's either disposing of it or keeping it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:25:40

So we want to keep it? We

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:25:42

want to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:25:42

explore keeping it and look at municipal uses. We're not going to talk about what types of uses those would be necessarily because that would be not agendized and we couldn't do that. Can we ask for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:25:54

that direction though Marisol?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:25:56

Yes, I think we do need further direction so that when the item comes back we can have a better understanding of what that means. We

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:26:03

are all interested in keeping these two lots but we would like to know what the trade-off is going to be for keeping these two lots and potentially changing them to other municipal uses. So when you're

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:26:16

saying municipal uses, are we saying a

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:26:18

park?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:26:19

Well

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:26:20

that's what we can't talk

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:26:21

about right. I think you can generally say if you want to keep it for a city use then that is it means it's not served if you're not dispose of it as surplus correct you're actually using it for a city purpose and then we could come back with an agenda item explaining precisely what that means in terms of okay we're gonna have to come up with 7,405 square feet per lot somewhere else.

And here are some possible locations or that would be brought back to you but I think generally we wanted to know because we'd heard commercial also so we just wanted to make sure we understood what municipal meant.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:27:01

Yeah, municipal is not commercial. So yes so but municipal could be a lot of different things so we want to see what that is. Commercial would be the SLA going through that whole process which we don't want to do

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:27:13

We might want to do, depending on the options that we can't talk about. And the words that I thought I wasn't allowed to use... Anybody watching at home will rightfully judge us as to not know anything that we're talking about but I don't know what I can say and what I can't say. I absolutely would like to see this come back in a way that we can have a discussion about which I think means that we do not want to move forward with disposing of property at this time.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:27:39

But I think in order for us to be able to come back to you with more information, I think what we're trying to get to earlier is it is allowable for you to provide us direction whether you want it to be open space. You want it to be some other thing or because at least we can provide a little bit more detail and context when we come back to you at a future date.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:28:01

You guys will stop me if I start saying things I'm not supposed to say, but I could see that being potentially a park or a parking lot If we're going to do something with it, then taking it through the process of disposing it could be perfectly fine. We'd like to have that. But I think there are municipal uses like parkland parking lots or a city building that could fit there.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:28:35

It could be a playground if we had to move a playground for some reason in the future, it could be that. It could be a community garden. It could be a lot of different things. However, the cost of those things is gonna be based off of what the trade-offs are

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:28:50

which is... All right, we've noted that. Is that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:28:53

enough direction?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:28:54

Yes, I think that is. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:28:56

Okay. Thank you for all of that stuff. We appreciate it. Okay, we can

move on to the next one now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:29:04

Let me just go get the other councilors.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:29:30

Okay, so we've gone through the recusal segment. So now we can move on to 112, 124 and 136 First Street.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:29:38

All right, so next up like we said we've got 124 and 136 First Street which are the successor housing agency parcels in this group. And the successor has just Council Member Barrett and Castro were you able to watch the information and stuff? Okay I don't want to waste time if you've heard it but so successor housing agency parcel for 124-136 First Street lot sizes are 7405 square feet as well The bond-funded parcel in this group is 112 First Street, same lot size as the other two and zoned R1.

If we did decide to move forward with disposition of this group of properties, we would be going through the full SLA process with negotiation with affordable housing developers et cetera so open to hear council discussion on the item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:30:32

Thank you any questions?

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:30:38

I Assume no appraisals have been done on these either correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:30:42

We've not

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:30:44

When it comes time to appraisals will they be appraising at both the individual lot and potential of all three

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:30:52

we Appraise them as individual lots and sell them as individual lots, even if they're being purchased by one individual.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:31:00

Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:31:02

If we sell them as individual lots and they're purchased by one individual. Do we have the availability to? Dictate that they stay in individual lots or is that out of our hands

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:31:14

In terms of you know, if one person is buying three lots You only want to see three single-family homes or whatever sort of similar to Walnut Canyon I believe we can structure the deal the same

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:31:30

Are there questions? Do we have any speakers? I assume you should ask for

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:31:35

that. No, Mr. Mayor, no speakers on this item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:31:38

Okay. Discussed. I think this location here is not a location where you'd expect to put in any other municipal type of use necessarily and feel like housing makes the most sense

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:32:01

I would agree. I think that there's already a park nearby, and I think housing is a good use here. I think as you said, as we're able to direct if proposals come through, certainly aiming towards keeping consistent with the neighborhood would be important to me.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:32:21

Yeah, I agree. That was why I was asking that. I want to make sure if there was development it was going to fit in with that neighborhood and not be an outlier

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:32:35

Okay, well that's the direction. Yes Mayor, Council we have direction to keep it residential and move forward with the disposition process.

CommentBlake EricksonProposedself-stated1:32:46

Great.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:32:53

All right we'll move on to item 10C. Let's consider disposition direction for 15404 Princeton Avenue. Ms. Zennifer?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:33:11

Good evening, Mayor Ingram and City Council. I do want to just sort of correct the address listed. I've been here a very long time and when we purchased this property that was the address I knew it as. That is no longer the address just because it's been vacant land for so long. So just to clarify, I know there was some confusion on that but these are the Princeton Avenue properties I'm going to spare you the Surplus Land Act speech again, but just suffice it to say that the disposition of this parcel should we decide to dispose of it would be subject to the Surplus Land Act.

So just to go over the property history again, this property was purchased by the Redevelopment Agency. It was intended to be a relocation site for a fueling station that used to be located on High Street. Ultimately, the project was not approved and the Redevelopment Agency did continue to look for development partners with no success. In 2020, a development partner approached the city about developing a housing project at the site At the time, there was an exemption in the Surplus Land Act for redevelopment agency properties.

But it did require that all land disposition activities conclude by December of 2022. During the due diligence process, the interested developer did find that there was some poor soil conditions, the cost of which would effectively write down the land value Unfortunately, due to the expiration of the exemption we're not able to resolve the issue of the price and what to do with the land with the oversight board and the developer decided not to move forward.

Since then, the City Council has discussed this property a couple of times. We had the initial discussion in November of 2025 where we were asked to return with the appraised value to determine if the City Council would want to purchase the property. In January of 2026, we did present that appraisal value and the cost of the site had increased significantly due to the property being rezoned during the general plan update The land value increased approximately 1.2 million dollars under the new zoning And at the time the City Council had asked if we could dialogue with the former developers In return with information related to the soils on the site and a potential write-down of the land value based on those studies I was able to obtain the developers estimates from 2022 and at that time They had estimated approximately $960,000 to remove uncertified fill materials and remediate liquefaction issues.

And that at that time would have written the land value down to zero based on the prior zoning and their appraised value. I very conservatively, I think inflated the developer's cost just to get a flavor of what those land remediation costs would be today against the current appraised value. And it would have a reduced land value but only around $876,000. I'm forgetting about my PowerPoint. So given the potential cost of the city to purchase a slot from the successor agency, staff had made a recommendation to attempt to put the surplus land act, put the property through the Surplus Land Act and sell the land because this property is subject to oversight by the Ventura County Consolidated Oversight Board, the idea is that If we could show our due diligence in trying to sell the property and if we receive no offers, it could set up favorable negotiations with the Oversight Board to potentially purchase a property for a lower value than the appraised value.

And if offers did materialize as a part of the SLA, that resulted in some sort of development on the site. The city could still potentially realize some of City Council goals related to potential trails on the site by reserving an easement or negotiating that through that development. And so I did put together, here's the property. Generally kind of where the trail easement would go.

Obviously this would be subject to if somebody did want to develop here kind of what their property layout would end up having to be and all of that but that would be generally kind of the idea. And so again, so the lot size on paper is 2.26 acres. Again it's zoned R2. It's just under one acre of usable land given the erosion from the arroyo on the south side of the property and so it's much smaller than it looks like on paper.

And so we'd like to receive directions from City Council regarding retention or disposition of the property. Like I said, we did make a staff recommendation that the city council decline the purchase at this time but we would return to the city council if no sale activity occurs. This is also a dual successor agency item and we would be looking for direction from the successor agency to actually move forward with the SLA process if that was the desire And we could, again, return for further direction if no sales occurred within the next 18 months. Or you're free as usual to direct staff as deemed appropriate. So this concludes my presentation and I'm happy to answer any questions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:38:42

Thank you, are there any questions? Thank you,

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:38:51

Jessica. So given the erosion portion does a trailhead follow along the part of unusable space or does it cut into, or the proposed trailhead, does it cut into usable area?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:39:05

So right now where it's shown is kind of like the very edge of the usable area. But I would anticipate if somebody was going to be developing, they'd have to be doing something with that end that would create effectively a levee road that would allow us to put a trail in. I can't guarantee that and that's why the trail might actually move depending on how the development would be designed.

But generally, I think it would make sense because again you'd be able to see all the wild parts of the Arroyo and the kind of different interpretive things you could do with that trail.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:39:39

So a follow-up question to that since I know the trailheads are important to us should an easement or access be required? Should the requirement be established prior to marketing?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:39:52

So we would put it in the marketing materials, and then the easement would be established upon sale when the grant deeds are recorded. So we would at least notify potential buyers that that would be a requirement of the sale.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:40:06

Okay, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:40:08

Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:40:09

Means? Thank you. Would this property be... Could we decide to transfer funds and turn this into some other zoning like open space if we chose to?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:40:25

You could purchase, if you're asking if the city could purchase the property, you can purchase the property. We would just have to have the property purchase approved by the Oversight Board and the value of the property approved whatever that transaction cost is approved by the Oversight Board.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:40:43

Councilmember means as a supplement to that response. I wanted to I've had a moment to kind of review Based on the earlier questions, I wanted to clarify that public parks and recreation facilities are permitted in all zones So if that's strictly the question then zoning change wouldn't be necessary

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:40:59

Perfect and it leads straight into my question Of the Housing Crisis Act of 2018 which I will admit I have studied for It's one acre. Would this be subject to the Housing Crisis Act where we would have to make up the acreage as well?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:41:18

No, so based on the new information that was just provided if we're not changing the general plan land use designation or changing the zone which it sounds like we don't need to then we would not need to worry about that since everything would remain the same. It would remain zoned as R2. It would just be put for a different use but it would remain as R two.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:41:46

Good, I like that answer. Great. How is that different than the Charles properties that we were just talking about?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:41:52

It's not it's just now we have new information that public parks are allowed within the R1 zone as well is that right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:42:00

Correct actually within all city zones of the situation we were discussing previously was was the idea that we would have to change the zoning to something non-residential and if the intended use here is a public park or recreation facility that is not the case

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:42:15

So can we go back to the last item and open that back up? I'll leave it. We've got direction there, but that strikes all the questions I have.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:42:25

So it's residential, which implies that there is a certain amount of units per acre based off the density. But if we decided to use that as a park, obviously you can't live at a park. Well you could actually but...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:42:41

We don't make up those numbers? Correct because the requirement to make up those numbers is only triggered if we were to change it to a non-residential zoning. Got it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:42:50

okay. All right. Don't understand that, but it makes sense. Good. Yeah, Dr. Castro.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:42:57

I just wanted to build on Councilmember Degas' question about the sale attempt that includes the trailheads. I love that, great suggestion. Does that in some ways, in some hypothetical scenario where someone would be very interested in this and it would be for them just a make or break to have to have that as a trail? Does that disadvantage us in that first attempt at a sale?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:43:26

Yeah, I mean, I think it could. I think it could, I don't have. It really just depends on sort of what they're proposing if something was lower density it might be harder for them to recoup costs related to that but given sort of the remediation and the erosion for the arroyo that would have to be dealt with they're probably gonna be doing something higher density anyway and so maybe they could cover the cost of that but I can't say until we know what somebody wants to do.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:43:57

So the follow up then is Is it possible for us to state our priorities, but without limiting ourselves to that we would only accept offers that included that as a provision?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:44:08

Yeah. We can put that in as our requirements, that we would be retaining some kind of a trail easement and maybe the workaround to maintaining the trail is being flexible with how the trail actually goes through the development.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:44:22

Yeah, and obviously it's hypothetical but one of the things that was clear in the staff report is whatever is done with this property there's going to need to be extensive soil remediation. And so how much of the soil and how much of the land that they're potentially would be applying a soil remediation criteria to land that is ultimately gonna be used for a trail seems like that could be limiting.

Thank you.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:44:51

A couple more questions. How confident are you in your inflated 2022 estimates? Would it behoove us to get new geos and new estimates

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:45:07

We could. I will tell you that just from experience, we've done that with the Daily Group site. We did go out and get geotechnical reports. We had geotechnical consultants provide estimates for us but they were off by well over half a million dollars because the ultimate remediation costs are based on what you're doing with the site And that varies because Daily Group, it went three stories in some areas. They had more extensive ground remediation than we initially estimated so I think we could do that.

The geotech reports are not inexpensive to do and so but if that's the direction from the council, we could certainly do that and try to get an estimate but I'm not saying it would be accurate

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CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:45:58

So would we be putting this on the market for 1.98 million and then supplying the 2022 soils?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:46:07

I don't have their documentation, I have their email where they gave us their issues with it and what they were dealing with. I could see if they'd be willing to share that documentation with other buyers but right now it's not our document

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:46:23

So typically, we would put it on the market at 1.98 million and then we would say buy or do your due diligence? Correct, yeah. But we would tell them we know that there is something in the app. Of course yes you have your disclosures absolutely. So possibly we could get a higher value than $876,000. Potentially yeah. Okay thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:46:48

Any questions? Do we have any speakers?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:46:53

No, Mr. Mayor, no speakers on this item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:46:55

All right, thank you. Okay, other thoughts?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:47:01

I think there's opportunity with the site for civic use. Obviously there's potential trailhead with the development Opportunity, but I think that they're there's more opportunity there as well as we look at pocket parks in communities and the existing pocket park for that community happen to cross a road and Go. I think that their There's a potential here to look at how that could play out as a park.

And I think we also haven't done, we haven't gone to the Oversight Board yet, right? We haven't said, look this is gonna be really hard to build on, it's gonna be really expensive, it's got all these issues. We rezoned it on ourselves through the general plan like would you honor this lower price for us to buy this property and do it Why shouldn't we ask that question before we go through all this rigmarole if it's something that we do have a desire to use? I don't see, yeah.

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CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction1:48:22

I guess my concern with keeping all of these parcels is the money to purchase them

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:48:31

Right, that's my concern too. Where would that money come from for purchasing this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:48:39

Again we'd have to look at you know our available funds it could be general fund special projects it just sort of depends on you know where we would want to identify it so I don't I don t know where I would pay for it from but I think it would depend on the value right the amount that we were

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:48:53

right if it was a park use it would be more money than Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:49:01

Mayor, can I build on that question? This is just for staff in general. Obviously we don't know which fund it could come from. Is it conceivable that if we did want to purchase it that that could affect our ability to fund CIPs that ultimately we wanna move forward with?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:49:20

Yes, Dr. Castro, it's a possibility if some of our CIP projects depends on the General Fund or Special Projects funds. Okay, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:49:30

It's pretty much undevelopable. I mean, the trailhead access there, that trail is something that we're looking at probably like 20 years, 30 years from now being built up. It'd be nice if it was sooner than that but there's multiple areas to put a trailhead to the trail that doesn't exist yet. Don't feel very comfortable buying that and turning it into a park when our parks need so much more that isn't that undevelopable, rocky, dirty spot in the corner.

So I'm reluctant to spend money on that but having it stay open isn't bad either. No one's going to develop on it. That's where I'm sitting right now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:50:17

Why wouldn't we go with staff recommendation? To me, as a reminder, we're broke and got a lot of things you want to do. And I believe staff's evaluation that this property might be priced artificially high Why not let it go through and then we have the tangible evidence to go back to the board and say this is a lower price. To answer your question, Councilman Barrett, I don't see any downside to asking hey would you guys let us buy it for $1 or whatever the price might be but in the absence of doing that and getting that answer back then I'd say let's move staff recommendation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:51:02

We're going to buy it because it's not developable and worthless and then it can just be anything we want really. Putting money into that versus where we're bleeding money, I couldn't do that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:51:18

But I do think there is a valid question. A conversation to be asked. To your point Councilman Barrett, yeah what if and I guess I'd ask for staff to take a guess is that a viable outcome?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:51:40

as far as approaching the Oversight Board?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:51:43

Yeah, and saying just kidding. We're not gonna

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:51:45

pay that. I don't think there's any harm in asking. The Oversight Board is tasked with selling property and wrapping up redevelopment agency activities that are in a most advantageous way to the taxing entities. That's their sort of goal, right? So there's no harm in asking first and then if they're kind of like well They may come back and say well Have you even tried to sell it? And you know what if and if they do come back, and that's the response Then we can come back and say this is what they told us We should probably move it through the surplus land act If it's not successful than we need like you're saying Tom would have mr. Means would have the intangible or the tangible evidence to go back to them with and have a better conversation.

So it could go, two things can be done in that regard.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:52:37

I don't mean to cut enough conversation, but I'd be inclined to ask staff to have that conversation. If the door is shut then proceed with staff recommendation if there's an opening to that conversation we're not in a rush this land isn't gonna all of a sudden you know be a hot ticket item so if there is an opening let's hear it again and let's talk about

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:53:02

So this land sits vacant and does not get built upon. And we don't want to buy it either, what happens to it?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:53:10

That's an excellent question. I would think, you know at that point the oversight board does have to get these sort of properties off of their books and so again that may just go more towards even if we did want to buy it like a much reduced land value just to clear it off the oversight board books. Which

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:53:28

would be my

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:53:29

goal. And then it could be vacant forever until we wanted to do something with it right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:53:36

Perfect. You can buy for $1 and have a park there. Well, I mean, I think the opportunity of the park allows for an opportunity at a different location. If that makes sense without going too far.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:53:50

Oh, you were watching?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:53:53

So that's where I'm coming from. So I think the more that we ask and talk to the oversight board, I don't see a harm in asking.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:54:05

But is my, I don't know if I'm moving or not. Is my suggestion acceptable to you that we ask and it's a hard no move to process? And if it isn't then we open up and have another discussion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:54:17

So you ask the question, they give you a price for what it would cost. Right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:54:21

Is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:54:21

that $1? Where's your cutoff point? Let's play this game

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:54:25

again. I have no idea what the value of that property would be until it goes through the process and we see that nobody wants to buy it at any price. That I will offer a dollar.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:54:37

Because it could come back with a number that's still high, but a lot lower than it is now. But it could be lower if no one bought it obviously.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:54:44

Sure. But we wouldn't know without asking the question.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:54:48

Okay so the gist of it with me is I don't want to spend a lot of money on any of this stuff and if it's free I'll take it. So if you want to find that out in a certain way I'm okay with that too.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:55:00

So to clarify what we'll do and staff is directed to approach the oversight board about purchasing the property for park space or open space uses for the cities to retain, take their temperature on that and see where they come back and then return to city council with that direction. Or if it's a flat no move forward with surplusing the property and seeing what happens?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:55:25

I'm comfortable with if it's a flat no moving forward. And if it's anything but a flat no, then we get to talk about it again.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:55:34

And I'm sure we can provide a box item or something you know, if we do, if it is flat no and we move to the process, you would also see as the successor agency board the resolution coming back to surplus it so you'd have that notification as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:55:51

Is that enough direction? Or do you need me to move and give a second

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:55:57

There's a Recommendation here. So we have to modify that recommendation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:56:05

Yeah, or Clarify that you would approach the oversight board Determine if they'd be willing to sell the property at lower cost If they do then we would come back to the City Council report back on that But if it's a flat now, then we would proceed with a surplus land act process

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:56:24

Yeah, and the only other thing because we had two recommendations. One for the city council piece and the successor agency do we just have no recommendation on the successor agency piece at this point or that's the only it's so weird? Or let me see maybe it's still relevant.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:56:43

We declined to purchase the property and to go back and have that discussion and then return back to us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:56:53

If a deal can be made. Got

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:56:55

it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:56:59

Say it again, Mayor, if you would.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:57:01

So the recommendation or the motion would be to decline the purchase of the property and modify this to go back to the successor agency so we can get a better deal on that? If the answer is flat no, it's what it is then to go through the disposition. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:57:29

think the change is that we go back to the oversight board.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:57:36

Do you wanna read that off? Because I butchered that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:57:39

Thank you. I'm gonna try. So for the City Council, the motion is to decline the purchase of the property at this time, but approach the oversight board and to determine whether or not they want to sell the property at a lower value. If the answer is yes we will return to the city council and report on that for final decision. If the answer is no then the successor agency will move forward with the Surplus Land Act process.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:58:07

That's fine. It seems like it might make more sense to make point one and two here, point two and three. Our point one being approach the board see if they'll do anything. If the answer is no then proceed as recommended as opposed to declining it and then finding out if they'd offer a lower amount now we've already declined But we would need to go back and, so I think we ask first. If the answer's no, proceed with staff recommendation all the way through. If the answer is anything but no, we get to talk about it again. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:58:43

Do we need to clarify it again?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:58:45

No, I'm clear on that. You're clear? We're all clear on that. We'll watch the video a bunch of times. Recorded,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:58:50

correct. I'm sorry you have to do that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:58:53

So everyone is in agreement? All right, so you want to make a motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:59:01

Sure. I'd like to hear it out of your mouth, Mayor, please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:59:06

No, he's asking if you want to make the motion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:59:07

Oh, I thought you said do you want me to make the motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:59:09

Would

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:59:09

you like to make the motion? Shucks! I move exactly what we just discussed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:59:14

I'll second. We have a motion and a second as amended. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay got it Next is presentation, action discussion item 10D. That's to consider enhanced infrastructure financing districts. Mr. Gagahanna?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:59:41

Thank you Mayor and Council. So this evening I will be providing an overview of enhanced infrastructure financing districts. EIFDs are not new taxes. Senate Bill 628 created EIFDs back in 2014 after the dissolution of redevelopment in 2012 EIFDs capture future property tax increment growth to fund infrastructure and capital projects such as roads, facilities, parks, trails, water, sewer, flood control, business facade improvements, property acquisition, long-term deferred maintenance or rehabilitation.

District boundaries for EFDs include areas for growth, although it could be an entire city or county. We've seen those happen. These district boundaries do not need to be contiguous but can be used anywhere in the city as long as they have community-wide impacts. Cities may establish its own EIFD or it may partner with another taxing agency such as a county to capture a portion, for instance the county's tax increment and to return that investment back to the district.

And I will note that participation in EIFDs are completely voluntary For city-county partnerships, these have occurred throughout the state. It is a win-win in many scenarios because the county will not realize those property tax growth without the city's investment and time resources in getting those projects developed through an entitlement process and et cetera.

Public financing authorities will have to be established separately, and they would be made up of the taxing entity representatives as well as members of the public. to oversee the EIFDs once they're established. This illustration shows you how the tax increment financing works as private property investment occurs or new development occurs within a city or district, they will increase property tax revenue from their increased new property values And when capturing those increased values, those increments could be then deposited into tax increment financing funds such as an EIFD which can then be used to fund for public improvements.

This graph shows you if a EIFD is formed and established, there is a baseline property value that is established. And then at that point any new property value and future tax increment would then be captured above that baseline value. And again, a portion of that between the city or county could then be used for those types of improvements After a set date or period of time, in this graph it shows you about a 45 year period.

Once the district has concluded its collection of the portion of property tax increments then it would revert back to the city or county receiving their normal regular property tax revenues back into their respective general funds. In terms of a discussion timeline since this has been brought up by the council, we first mentioned this to you last August during our financial strategies workshop and EIFD's was a tool that you directed staff to further explore and come back to you at a future date.

After August, between September and December last year, city staff had preliminary discussions with the county of Ventura about establishing an EIFD and possibly partnering with them. At that point we also invited our real estate consultant earlier this year in January to have them meet with our own city staff to provide information about EIFDs and answer any questions or concerns staff may have about them During this period of time, we also began hearing other cities approach the county about establishing EIFD.

And at that point, the county had informed myself and city staff that they would be putting together a county policy regarding EIFDs because again many cities had been approaching them about it such as Moorpark. And so earlier this year in May, the county went ahead and adopted an EIFD policy. And then some highlights of that policy are the discussions that took place at that May Board of Supervisors meeting.

The auditor controller indicated that they would work with cities to identify tax rate area boundaries Also, the county also mentioned that they could establish an unlimited number of EIFD and partnerships with cities or other taxing agencies. And it could be formed on a first come first serve basis but they could decide as a county to stop establishing them at a certain period of time based on their decision.

And then the county also under their policy capped tax increment contribution limits to 50% with performance triggers. Other cities that expressed interest at that Board of Supervisors meeting was the City of Thousand Oaks and also the City of Ventura. The Ventura County Taxpayers Association also made a public comment during that meeting, that they're not opposed to EIFDs but they do have concerns about issuing any debt service and the optimistic assumptions of future property value growth.

For Moorpark's property tax breakdown under Prop 13, we're basically cap basic property tax at 1% of assessed value or purchase price. And these are then capped up to 2% annually. The City of Moorpark receives a total of $0.09 out of every property tax dollar there is Also, a supplemental submitted this evening. There was a typo in the staff report on the nine cents rather than mistakenly indicating 90 cents on there and then in terms of how much the city receives for property tax approximately about five million dollars per year goes into the general fund and then 1.4 million portion of it goes to the library fund In terms of the steps to establish an EIFD, they would first need to be a feasibility and analysis where we would sort of define the boundaries that estimate any future revenues, what the projects would be, the costs.

And preliminary fiscal analysis would be done as well. At that point we would conduct an outreach to other taxing entities, property owners, the county for instance to determine their interest in partnering with us based on the analysis that we would generate and come out to. And then if there is an interest, we would initiate the formal process with a resolution of intent. Establish the public financing authority to identify membership.

Then we would prepare an infrastructure financing plan where we would identify all the list of projects to be included in this, the financing plan, the projections, dates, duration, et cetera. Then we would go through a pre-adoption phase, informing the taxing entities and partners as well as any property owners within that district. And then we'd go through a series of public hearings.

Any majority protests would stop establishment in EIFD. And then at that point it would go through the approval or formation process if the taxing entities all agree to establish it. In terms of eligible EIFD projects, it's generally any property or project with a useful life of 15 plus years that has community-wide impacts or significance. So you can see here anything from water sewer infrastructure to roads parking parks open space any city facilities libraries etc could be used in the EIFD funds This is the list of EFDs that have formed in California throughout the state, and I know there's a growing number of cities and counties looking into this at the moment.

This next slide shows you EFDS that have city and county partnerships specifically. You can see the five that are with LA County and their respective cities there. as well as other counties, Central and Northern California. Southern California that is related to things again water sewer roads flood control revitalizing a downtown area or commercial area for instance so you can kind of see all the different uses that the counties and cities have identified to use EIFDs on If the council was to direct staff to proceed in exploring considering EIFDs, the next step would really be for the city to contract with a consultant to evaluate the EIFD feasibility whereby we could identify the boundaries, estimate future property values, estimate future tax increments for both the city and the county.

And also identify possible public facilities and projects to be included and then any other funding sources that would be in addition to the tax increment we receive. The cost of a consultant to do this feasibility is estimated between $30,000-$35,000. We would then, as results of the feasibility analysis would then be presented back to the City Council at a future date.

And then the council at that point could decide whether to proceed or not. Perhaps the decision to not move forward could be because of the estimated tax increment returns are very low and may not have a significant impact on future projects we have. Or you may decide to move forward if the estimated tax increment returns are reasonable or high. And then at that point, we would discuss with the county if they're interested in participating and partnering with us and discuss the benefits to the county and other potential county-related projects that is in the district or within the city.

And then we would report back to you if the county would be interested in moving forward with establishing an EIFD. That concludes my presentation, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:11:14

Are there any questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:11:16

Go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:11:17

ahead.

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction2:11:18

The Laverne example that you provided significantly underperformed its original tax increment projections. What assumptions would Moorpark use to avoid overestimating revenue and what happens to plan projects if actual increment comes in well under the predictions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:11:35

Yeah, the two samples I provided in the staff report one of which was the City of Laverne and their partnership with LA County. And that has resulted in lower returns or tax increment returns that they expected. However, they are using the lower amounts to then still combine it with other funding sources so that they could move forward on some of their capital projects.

I think what we could do is if the returns are not as high as we expect, if we were to establish one and you know find out it didn't turn out as we expected. We could always reassess determine if this is still valuable to move forward and in partnership with the county so we could always make that adjustment in the future But you know, it's really hard to obviously predict. I mean we have some development projects underway that we probably know are going to happen and so that is one way we could at least establish a certain set of assumptions about what we could realistically Thank you very much.

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CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction2:12:59

One more question. If Moorpark uses the pay-as-you-go as opposed to issuing debt, do we have any idea how many years it would take before it could accumulate enough money to make a tangible difference on the project?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:13:13

Yeah, I mean that's going to be part of that feasibility analysis so we could sort of estimate and determine how much actual money we're gonna get in the future. That could make sort of a significant impact on a capital project or projects that we identify but at this point in time yeah I wouldn't really know top of my head what that would be but that analysis would provide us that information

CommentSeva DiwaliProposed · by introduction2:13:36

And maybe this also goes without analysis, but do we have any idea how much county participation would realistically be needed in order to just even support administrative and consultant costs?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:13:50

Yeah, I mean at this point it seems to me that the county with them establishing this EIFD policy they're at least open to the discussion and consideration once cities approach them about this. So I know there are some movement and some traction going on with the other cities that are a little bit ahead of us on this about consideration. There was a 5-0 vote by the Board of Supervisors to consider this going forward

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:14:24

I just have a quick question about projecting the management portion of it. So, I mean it seems like the composition of the EIFDs vary depending upon who participates regardless of the composition large or small where do the administrative costs generally reside? Are those split between the county and the EIFD participants or is that burden completely assumed by those you know whatever the composition is of the EID

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:14:49

yeah That's actually a really good question that I don't know at this point. Actually, our real estate consultant Mr. Diegas is here might be able to fill in the blanks there because if we're not yet generating tax increment obviously funds sooner than later, I would assume that it's split between the city and the county but Mr. Diegas can properly answer that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:15:13

Thank you. Good evening, Mayor, members of the City Council. So typically the costs are initially borne by the sponsoring entity which would be you, city of Moorpark and then those costs and other costs that go along with the formation are typically reimbursable by the revenues as they come in so if it is accounting partnership it would essentially be splitting but the city is the one advancing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:15:36

And my follow-up question is in general, I'm just going to use the term startup cost. Is it two to three years that the city is bearing the bulk of that responsibility before they start to see the receipts coming in? Two to three years. Okay thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:15:54

Just one clarifying question. Could we make the geographic boundaries of an EIFD consistent with the city limits?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:16:03

Yes, we could do that. Thank you. Mr. Means, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:16:07

Any more questions? There's a comment saying that we would go through a consultant to go through this process and see if it was going to work. And then once we decide if it was going to work, we'd then approach the county to see if they would partner up with us on this. You said that the county is in favor of this process, but is there a limit where they wouldn't be in favor? And do you know... I'm kind of asking you to estimate this now. Does

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:16:39

it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:16:40

look favorable or does it look like we're on the edge of this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:16:42

Well, I would say that the county is open to it. I think it depends on what we approach them with to see what type of impacts to the county would benefit them and also you know the expected property tax increment that could be generated so that it's substantial enough that they could see the impacts about the city and the county

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:17:07

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:17:08

Have we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:17:09

done any estimating based off of what we know so far on this whole procedure? Because obviously, if we're going to hire a consultant and we have no idea he's gonna tell us it's a good idea or not a good idea that doesn't really make much sense but I want to know would we feel comfortable with this the way we think it would pan out?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:17:27

Yeah, I mean we haven't been able to determine the initial numbers at this point because we'd also want to define the boundaries and what type of projects that could be benefiting the city and also could benefit the county as well. Because I think they'd want their input about their county infrastructure within city limits. But the boundaries itself, I think we would provide you with various scenarios whether it's just the growth areas within the city or As councilmember means suggested. It could be the entire city so that we capture any property value increase in the future Regardless of where it's located Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:18:04

is that something that should be decided before? We get into this project or is that something that we should be seeing different options of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:18:12

Yeah, I think if we do the feasibility analysis, I would want to see those scenarios and present that to you. Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:18:18

thank you. Any other questions? Do we have any speakers?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:18:26

We do have one speaker card but I do not see the individual in the chambers. Daniel Politi did submit a card and also submitted a supplemental for you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:18:36

Okay, thank you. Okay, move to discussion. Once again, we got to pay money to see if it's a good idea. That's always a hard thing to get behind but what are the thoughts on this? Dr. Castro?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:18:55

Yeah, again I want to thank staff this is another idea that was suggested and you brought it forward getting into it now I start to see why it's even more complex than it seemed like before so there's I didn't anticipate that there would be some risk elements it seemed like oh there's only this upside right but obviously there's a risk but I do think based on what the city manager shared the current temperament and disposition of the county Board of Supervisors, it seems like it wouldn't be a good idea to be the last to the table.

Although I know we've had a lot of questions about the cost of consultants if there is an upside to this, it seems really to our advantage to be the first to explore it so that's my initial thought.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:19:47

I'm going to jump in and agree with that. I think this is a opportunity to lead in the county, and if we're already a little behind, you know, maybe catch up. And if we move forward, I would definitely want that direction that we go full force fast.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:20:11

Yeah, I concur. First come first serve and eventually if enough of these come in front of the county, the county is going to say whoa wait we can't do any more of that and to keep our dollars at home right now all these projects we do, we got a CIP list. If we make the boundaries those city limits We've got our CIP list, we know what we want to do. Meaning we can pick and choose as we want to.

And invest and keep your dollars at home. I hate $35,000 for a consultant to tell me that We're going to make money. I don't want to go and take on debt load. I'd want it to be pay-as-you-go, but we've got enough CIPs that if we pay as you go, that will constantly be a benefit. So assuming there is no other way to get that report conclusive and convincing, I think we move forward with the consultant.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:21:03

Yeah, I'm concerned about the upkeep infrastructure obviously with our finances and if we're last at the table with this we could lose out a lot on that. So I'm in favor of it. I wish we could see a little bit more of the feasibility before we engage into a consulting agreement but I think what you've been saying, it's looking pretty much like it would be straightforward.

Right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:21:33

Yes Mayor, that's correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:21:38

Anything else? That's a pretty good direction. We all seem to be on the same page with Dr. Castro said. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:21:47

we have consensus then to have staff move forward further considering this and contract services with a consultant to determine the feasibility

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:21:58

That's correct,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:21:59

thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:21:59

Quickly. Yeah if we can catch up I agree. Just make it work. Okay. Next item is 11 ordinances there are none this evening all by closed session Mr. Agahena?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:22:20

There are no closed session items this evening Mayor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:22:23

Thank you and good night Moorpark.