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All the standards and we have rubrics, and we have individual rubrics for each kids what needs to be worked on. And then also group rubrics and what we're aiming for. We have worked with OUSD with Kim and John Hoye for intern hours. We had a choreographer who got intern hours We have a future student that's going to get his tech hours with John Hoy, with drama. So we have a real good relationship with them I think.
What is the specific need? We feel like half of our cast is probably diverse, whether it's neurodivergent or whether it's ethnic divergent or whatever. It doesn't matter because what we do is that we accept them where they are and we have them go right along with us. We create the audition flyers in Spanish and in English, and it's made to every parent available. We even placed an ad in the Ojai Rec Center, that magazine that goes to every place—you probably would not find a theater ad but it says, hey want to come new to theater? We let you do it. We try to budget and keep in timeline. We borrow from other companies, oh yes, and we exchange costumes a lot. I borrowed costumes from Camarillo School, from Calabasas High School, from Irvine Parks & Rec.
Our timeline is we start in January, in which we choose one show. We only do one show a year. Many other associations and other companies do more than one. Then we rehearse a couple of nights a week Early enough so they go home and first of all, they have dinner at home and then they go rehearse on then they go home. So if their first priority is get good grades in school and graduate we know that once schools out then we kick into four days a week.
Is it my time? Okay well I would love to say We have 25 out of last year's students, we had 25 students. 16 were returnees. So I think that says something for us. Now you can look at these pictures. I do not need them back. But you will see these wonderful tissue paper flowers made by parents and students. And have any questions for anything there? At all? Give it to Bridget. Thank you, Bridget for your help.
For this year, we did one in the first two weeks in August with Seussical Jr. It's a beast of a show, can I say that? It has two pages of dialogue and the rest of it is singing so I did my thing with directing and the vocal director took over. We don't know what our show is going to be next year only because I put out a little secret ballot but the ballot says which ones would you What to try out for, which ones would you like to do tech for. And then we gather those together and then I look at the rights. The rights are going up. This is why I'm coming to the Arts Commission because Smitty knows, I think, and other people know that the rights for royalties before we can even hand out script or start rehearsing, the rights run anywhere between $2,000 and $5,000 just for the property.
We understand, playwrights need their money and publishing companies need their money. But it's really affecting us I think because the rights jumped I think this year quite a bit.
Any other questions? I think you answered my question but it was specifically that what is your grant request targeted toward? I'm going
to say my grant request is for royalties rights and also for paying honorariums to these parents who work Every rehearsal and the lowest honorary I gave was to a kid who did follow spot with $75 this year, and the highest was $500 for producing and directing. And that's another place where we have three former students who grew up through the program now they're producers. So we're helping grow the artistic side of not only acting but producing and directing etc. Anything else?
Thank you, I appreciate that. Thank you for letting me present. Thank
you Gaye. Give our best to the Arts Center. Rivers next. Mandala Medicine Movement. Hey River!
Hi, I'm so happy to be here. I'm glad that I paid attention and knew the meeting was happening this year. Last year, I missed it completely till months later, so I decided this year I was gonna pay attention. So I wanna first of all say thank you for supporting the Ojai Day Mandala in previous years. And though it was really challenging last year to not have my grant go through here, it did As you saw fit, provides opportunity to go to the city and be funded by the city. And I hope this year that it can be a line item part of the yearly budget.
But the mandala medicine movement is created also to have a legacy piece. And i'm just assuming everybody here is familiar with the Ojai Day Mandala? And what I'm doing, so I don't need to explain. You're not.
No, I'm
not
quick either.
Okay, so for 30... This will be the 34th annual Ojai Day Mandala painting and what we do is we create a design. So this is something I've actually been working on all year because I'm also team building with the younger generation. I just turned 70. I ain't gonna be here forever And I wanted to continue, it's a beloved Ojai tradition. And so what we do is we create a design that is in a sense a skeletal structure. It's a beautiful design and then we have places for people to paint pictures and then we have places for people to do what we call wallpaper which is a pattern in specified colors, and then we have fill-in painting. And so we have a cohesive design. We have so far painted with people from one year old to our eldest has been 84.
And so we can do this largest public art project in Ojai with people of all skills and all ages. And it's our... So I wish I could show you pictures, but we do have a website. But before I start, I guess I better do this pretty quickly here. Over the years, I've come to understand that we're actually working with foundational principles and I just want to honor Gay because so much of what she was talking about are things that I learned when I worked with Illusion Children's Theater through the 80s. I worked with them for 10 years and learned these kind of principles of all ages working together, so we have that same theme here as I stand up here after Gay. So our principles are inclusivity, love meaning we're all friends, respect-we start with respect, honesty-we're straightforward in our communication humility, nobody's better than anybody else no matter what your skill level or age, cohesiveness so we guide everybody to work well together, creativity because everybody is creative.
One of the things we hear over and over I'd like to paint, but I'm not an artist. And we just look at each other and laugh. And then freedom and improvisation. So we have an improvisational aspect. People can come and they say, I want to paint a picture so we talk with them and they can create it on the spot. And we've had a lot of wonderful things happen from that. Generosity, everything that we do when we do our event is provided for free for the public. And then also we are able to be generous because of the generosity of our funders and our volunteers. The spirit of place, we're putting a foundational piece of beauty into the space and it really makes people feel like they belong.
Peace, a peaceful atmosphere is promoted. I'm the mama bear so I make sure of that and then wisdom because we can actually make decisions and take action keeping the good of the individual and the group in mind. We apply our experience with knowledge and sound judgment it is actually possible and then legacy. And so what I'm here to talk to you about is one of the legacy pieces that I want to create, and it's a video course series, an educational, to teach people how to divide a circle into different parts. One of the things I've found out over the years, I might need a tiny bit more time here. Sorry.
And people are very... A lot of artists are afraid of math and we actually took my assistant and I took a video course. We're lucky to take a video course in learning how to do instructional videos. I have my first one on the website scribing a circle the power of one and it's in the public Comments there. May I? I'll just make this quick, okay thank you. So course two is dividing the circle into two four and eight which is polarity foundation and infinity. Course three dividing the circle into three and six harmony and rebirth.
Course four dividing the circle into five and ten life essence in the world Course five, dividing the circle into seven. Sacred seven. Course six, dividing the circle into nine. The nth degree. Course seven, dividing the circle into eleven. Intuition. Course eight, dividing the circle into twelve. Dozens. Course nine, dividing the circle into thirteen. Thirteen moons.
And that's the first course and we'll figure each Video course, we want to make it as short as possible and we bring in obviously some philosophy color theory quotes by people and make it fun so that math and art go together and people are not so intimidated. Thank you.
Thank you very much. The final product is of course like online or... Yeah, on
our website. We have the first one up right now. I mean the production quality isn't perfect but so far the feedback I've gotten from maybe 20 people is oh, I didn't know all of that
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Thank you for that, very interesting. If I understand correctly this is not about the Martindale which is going to be as it was last year we hope a line item in the city's budget. What you're looking at is a very different matter which relates to the video that you are producing. So what do you, my question is what do you need the money for and are you doing it as an individual or do you have a non-profit?
I'm in the midst of consulting to be a nonprofit. I'm hoping by this time next year we will be. This is what I'm calling the legacy work because I've learned so much doing this over the last 30 plus years The circle has so many implications to it, and I feel honestly right now our world needs this. We need this to bring together... we've had people of all kinds of people come in. So this piece is an educational piece for other people who are coming in because I want the Ojai Day Mandala to continue forward
Right. I'm trying to get a sense of nuts and bolts, or rather dollars and cents. So it's production for
the video? It's production of the video, yeah.
Okay.
Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Ms. Steiner, any other questions?
Thank you, Reverend, for everything that you've done for our community. Thank you so much.
Yeah,
thank you. Thank you for a little extra time too. Appreciate
it. Amazing.
Yes, please. That's six minutes. So should we just make it six minutes? We'll try five. It was for Brad's benefit. He didn't know what the mandala was. But thank you for your interest of fairness and brevity. Andra, you're next. Andra Belknap. I don't have the name or your project so...
Thank
you.
I will tell you, so I thought I had three minutes so I wrote remarks. So I'll just go ahead and read what I wrote and then I will be happy to answer any questions. My name is Andra Belknap. I am an Ojai native, and I write artful long form journalism in commentary for the Ojai Valley at ojailocalhero.com. My professional work centers around democracy and storytelling. I began my career as a campaign staffer to President Obama, and held communication roles in national government and politics. After some time in DC, I followed my passion for public policy right back here in the community where I've spent many years artfully documenting topics ranging from The future of Ojai citrus to the great pickleball debate, to local ice enforcement, to local homelessness.
In addition to self-publishing I published work in every one of Ojais various magazines and publications, I think. My work is extensively researched, creative and humane. I like to help people understand people and I like to help people understand and access our governing structures. I'm passionate about telling stories that increase empathy and increase engagement in democracy.
So let me tell you about the project that I would like your support on. My primary focus over the last three years has been on homelessness in Ojai specifically the people of Ojai tent town I watched as the population of our City Hall campus grew during 2023, and out of curiosity because I'm here a lot, I began wandering around and interviewing campers. One thing that surprised me was how many fellow former Ojai Unified School District graduates and students that I met.
And I wanted to understand how they ended up camping at our government center. So that's what kicked off this three-year writing and research project that I'm seeking your support to continue. In 2024, I was excited to report the news of Ojai's $12.7 million state grant to house the residents of Ojai Tent Town. I've since examined how national and regional trends have conspired to create California's housing crisis, analyzed relevant Supreme Court cases and maintained a focus on how locals cope with the daily realities of living in a tent.
So far, I've supported this effort with a small community of paid Substack subscribers and a collection of part-time jobs. I'm asking Ojai's Arts Commission for support to continue, expand, photograph and podcast this work and to compensate my local creative collaborators. As you may know, Ojai's 30 unit permanent supportive housing project is currently scheduled to open in July 2027 Though I am not personally convinced that that deadline will stick, and I am dedicated to telling the story until the residents of Ojai Tent Town are housed. So in conclusion, I'm hopeful that I can earn support for what I see as a uniquely Ojai creative project, one that is intended to inspire empathy and engagement.
I'll confirm that I am engaged with a local non-profit regarding fiscal receivership And again, all of my work lives on ohilocalhero.com, which is a reference to the old bookstore for folks who've been around for a long time. Thank you for your consideration and for all the work. I'm happy to answer any questions.
I have a question. Thank you, very interesting and certainly the housing crisis is one of our most important crises to resolve. I'm trying to get the arts angle here. Are you looking to write a book?
I could. The artful angle is, I think you need to read the work because it's long form creative writing and I do see it as an art project as much as I see it as a journalism project. I'll just give you an example. For example, in this reporting work, I've interviewed a lot of our Ojai town residents. I've engaged a local photographer who has volunteered her time to photograph these folks and I think of that as a creative endeavor, the interviewing and the documentation.
I'll also, so I also write my stories. I describe my stories as kind of inspired by the content that you'd read on in The New York Times Magazine or in The Atlantic. Something that not only is engaging but kind of is creative that pulls you into the narrative that helps you learn along with the writer. So an example that I like is in order to learn more about homelessness and Ojai for the past three years, I volunteered as part of the point-in-time count which is basically you count all the homeless people in the country like every community does this around the country. And so for the past three years, I have participated in that usually done a ride along with local law enforcement Find people to meet people, and then those stories filter into my journalism of course you know respecting everybody's confidentiality.
And that is that's a creative endeavor to me it's it's documenting, you know lots
That makes sense to me and certainly one prong of our mission is literary, although we don't emphasize it quite as much. And long form journalism certainly falls within literary. I was just trying to get a sense of whether as this progresses because the book seems squarely within our charge.
I've thought about that and this work could be that. I've thought about this work as a book as like A window into the California housing crisis via Shangri-La. It's really, I think it's just an unbelievably interesting story that we have this community living here at our government center and the fact that we've received all of this money to house them and all the ensuing political debate I think is very revealing and very interesting.
The other creative component that I want to mention is my fiscal sponsor runs a nonprofit podcast studio so If I were able to receive funding, I would be paying to utilize a podcast studio and also turning what is going to be four years of reporting into an audio story as well. And that's...I think of that as a way to just kind of make the work more accessible and more digestible.
Thank you, Andrea.
Just quickly, I don't know how many of you have read her substack. It's fascinating and I highly recommend reading it. It is individual journalism and it's really interesting because it takes our small town to a higher level in terms of what's going on so I highly recommend it.
Thank you,
Brad. Cool.
I just wanted to say sort of to Commissioner Steiner's point when I was living in Western Mass Smith College was just starting a department within their writing group that was called Creative Nonfiction and it was really interesting because creative nonfiction is sort of a juxtaposition and you know sort of a paradox But there's a whole sort of litany and I would say framework around creative nonfiction. So, I think this is where that sits.
Definitely. Thanks Leslie. Cool.
Very cool. Thank you
Andrew. I'm going to leave a little bit of information with Bridget if that's
cool? Just leave it with Bridget here as the appropriate way. I can't stop but think of alternative facts. Pamela Grau, welcome home!
Hi
everyone it's interesting being on that side for a change. Let me catch my breath here So I'm going to read this because I timed myself and I thought I had less time. Anyhow, thank you for the opportunity to present this. I'm presenting a new program that I've created called Art Through the Ages and it was stimulated by my role as art commissioner creating enrichment programs at the museum And I will begin to read. I've spent most of my life making art, studying art, teaching art and being part of creative communities.
One thing I've come to believe very strongly is that understanding art changes the way we see the world. Unfortunately, art history, art education have gradually disappeared from our educational settings. I created Art Through The Ages as a way to bring some of that experience back into our community in a way that's accessible, engaging and fun. Art Through the Ages is a 12-month art literacy program that combines monthly art history lectures related with hands on workshops.
Each month we'll explore different period, movement, idea in our history. Each month the lecture provides a story, context and the workshop gives participants an opportunity to experience some of those ideas with their own hands. For example we might- and this would be- the lectures would be at the Ojai Valley Museum. The workshops would be in my studio at Chaparral School And I have a thing in my throat, so it's a little hard to talk. Sorry about that.
For example, we might begin with cave painting and early human expression. We will look at why humans began making images thousands of years ago and what those images tell us about ourselves. The accompanying workshop would be mark-making, natural pigments, texture, and primitive surfaces. So there'd be a lecture, and then it would be followed by an experiential workshop.
As the year progresses, we'll travel through other important periods and movements from ancient Egypt and the Renaissance to Impressionism and the development of modern art. The lectures will be presented at the Ojai Valley Museum making them accessible to a broader community and they'd be free. The smaller hands-on workshops will take place in my classroom at Chapparal.
The heart of this project is simple, learn about art then experience it by making something. I believe art history is really human history. It tells us what people valued feared celebrated questioned and dreamed about and when we combine learning with making those ideas become more immediate and memorable My hope is that art through the ages will reach people who already love art, but also people who have never taken an art history class or consider themselves artists. No previous art experience will be necessary and curiosity will be enough.
This grant will allow us to bring knowledgeable speakers, materials and meaningful hands-on experiences to the Ojai community and create a program that can grow beyond its first year. For me this project is ultimately about connection connecting history to the present knowledge to creativity and people in our community to the remarkable human story that's told through art Thank you for considering this Any questions?
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Thank you, Pam. And thank you again for all your contributions to our community here in Ojai. I might have missed it but what is the age range for these classes? So
the lecture series at the Ojai Valley Museum will probably be for adults It will be scheduled once a month and it falls at a time when kids are just getting out of school, like 3.30 to 4.30. It's going to be on a day when the museum is closed and they're very excited about having an outside project come in. It's something that they don't have to pay for and somebody else is doing the work.
What they're hoping the museum will be about. Nice. And then the workshops will be smaller, and depending on if I get a grant or no grant, whether that'll be a fee to take a workshop or not, I'm hoping to keep the price very low. Yeah.
Because
there's going to be materials and things
like that. Would the speakers at the...
They'd be
paid. They're good?
They would be paid.
Good.
I mean, that's what the grant is for is to create a budget for speakers and for teachers. And yeah, it's...I'm excited. The Ojai studio artists are going to be my fiscal receivership. Is that how you say it? A lot of the artists there are getting pretty excited about the idea of it.
Great idea, Pam.
Thank you.
Thank you, Pam All right David are you ready? I'm ready
hello wow this is uh Pretty impressive group here of artists. As an Ojai citizen, I think they all sound great just for what it's worth. I'm here for the Ojai Film Society.
Wait wait who are you?
Oh my name is David Bell and I am a board member of the Ojai Film Society. So, we'd like to first of all say thank you to the Arts Commission for your continued support. You've consistently been a supporter of ours and a champion of ours. We program films in the Libby Bowl, the film series in the Libby Bowl. There's an...we have an 11-member all volunteer board The Ojai Film Society was founded in 1988 to bring independent, foreign documentary and classic films to the Ojai Valley. It's kind of an older organization We've got support from the city of Ojai. In 2022, we sort of revamped the Ojai Film Society and launched our summer film series.
And since then it's become the largest free event in the Ojai Valley with six screenings each summer outdoors in the community at the Libby Bowl and all free to the public. So, our goal is to continue to share high-quality cinema that's accessible to everybody. We hold six biweekly screenings at the Libby Bowl and we usually get anywhere from 300 to 700 people to come to the screenings.
They're organized entirely by our volunteer board Subcommittees in collaboration with the city, local partners, sponsors were publicized through social media. The Ojai Valley News street banners signs that we staple to every you know staple and taped every window In Ojai, and so it's a kind of a lot of you know a lot of work to sort of get the word out. And we'd like to thank the city of Ojai in the Arts Commission. This has been this is our fifth season this summer. This summer we had 2700 attendees across our seven screenings. Including we had a fundraiser at the Ojai Rancho Inn.
It's been very successful, so also we conducted a survey. We found that 70% of our attendees live in Ojai. 69% of them had attended a Film Society movie before and apparently 100% of them think it's a benefit to the community which is not surprising. The 2026 series this night, generally we try to have a theme. We had like Shoot for the Stars. I can't remember what it was last year.
This year it was a theme called Wild is the Night which I'm just going to read this. It reminded us that when we bravely step beyond the familiar, we open ourselves to wonder possibility and the kind of magic that only happens after dark. Part of it is, and to sort of go off script a little bit, one of the best things I think about the Ojai Film Society is that it's kind of...it's a committee right? And so you have an idea for a theme or I have an idea for a theme. I'd love to be able to just show movies that I love in the Libby Bowl but the fact that it is this community community structure of sort of not only picking the themes but the movies. I've actually pitched several movies, there's a few movies I've tried every year to see if I can't get them on there and I think it's that sort of the idea that it's not this sort of just one person's vision of what it is, it's a community vision This May we had our fundraiser at the Rancho, we had director Sara Dosa showed her movie Time and Water which was a documentary about the melting of the glaciers in Iceland sort of narrated by this poet.
It was just a beautiful movie sort of creating a time capsule based upon the melting of the glaciers As compared to the life of his family, it was really beautiful. At Libby Bowl we did six movies. We started off with Hunt for the Wilder People which was a movie I was surprised that a lot of people had not seen before. It's a terrific movie about a rebellious misfit youth and his grumpy foster uncle. They go off into the New Zealand wilderness. Our next movie was Selena y los Dinos Director Isabel Castro. I couldn't make that one but I think she may have been there, but it was a documentary about Selena.
Can I get another minute just to get through to the end of it? Sorry! One of the best ones we showed this year was a documentary called Cookie Queens Which I believe debuted at Sundance. We had the director there, it was about Girl Scout cookies and the 800 million dollar empire that they're a part of. We had the director, we had some of the Girl Scouts that were in the movie with the local Girl Scout troop come. We showed Best In Show which was our biggest hit. And then we did a movie called Arrival which is one I did pitch about communicating with aliens and finally Jurassic Park.
So again, I've got a lot more to go here but we'd like to thank you for your support. It's been really instrumental. The money goes to the screenings. You have to license the films. We have the equipment, the big screen comes. But also we have an artist spotlight where we spotlight a particular local artist And the money is going sort of directly to the local artists through that program. So, sorry I went over a little bit. Does anybody have any questions or?
You know us well and you've probably heard us say time and again that very quickly The Film Society has become the centerpiece of Ojai's summer so thank you for that but indeed we know the good work you do
Thank you. Yeah, I mean it's great and I say, I'm always a bit surprised at just how fantastic every showing is. I really think the Libby Bowl is one of the greatest places to see a movie. It's like the Chinese theater or something. It really is amazing. You know what I mean? It's just a fantastic venue for
that. And you're able to get your dates?
Well, I mean that's a thing. There is a bit of a push and pull. It's a public venue but we're engaged in the discussion. We got our dates this year. They weren't the ideal dates. They weren't our first choice but you know... If we
could help again, we tried to last year. Great. Be a liaison on that.
Exactly. I'd really like to see those dates on the weekend
Yeah, I
mean
Friday's I think a better date for us. Kids come and
for the community because it's summer
and it gets
late.
And as Smitty said we helped last year and we're here again and I'm sure the City Council would agree as well.
Well we really appreciate all your help and we're working on it ourselves and we're committed to doing it into making it happen so thank you very much anything else? Thank you so much.
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And our final presentation is from Paula Power with Miners Oaks Park. I'm so glad you're here, Paula. Oh, you have a...
Okay. Here we go. Thank you for the opportunity to come and talk about the Miners Oaks Park. So my name is Paula Power, and I'm the president of Miner's Oaks Parks. We're a 501c3 nonprofit we formed in 2022 We're working directly with the county to create a community park in Miners Oaks at the old car wash. So we're converting abandoned commercial property into a vibrant park that everyone can enjoy. So here's a map of the property. This is El Roblar here, and this is Highway 33.
And it's a nature-focused park, walking path, lots of native trees, native plants. There's an area for children to play ages one to five. There's a lot of features around the park for older children to explore and play on. So one, there's a parking lot. There's going to be the first and only bathroom and drinking fountain in Miners Oak so we're really proud about doing that it's really a pain in the neck but it's gonna be worth it.
And
that's paid for?
Yes.
Well, I mean, I'm saluting you because I know you got a grant
for that so one of You know, this was this big idea that I had in 2021. I'm a retired Park Service biologist with the National Park Service and I'm an Ojai native and My parents were artists in Ojai. And so for me how could I possibly do a park without art? So a couple of years ago I saw a notice, a call for proposals from the California State Parks for planning Art in a Park. So I applied for that grant, and I got it.
And so we did a sculpture competition. And we advertised as broadly as we knew how to advertise. And we had over 20, I think it was 24 submissions. Then we had a jury of four people. One was a woman who's now a curator of art, and she went to Oak Grove Another is an artist in Ventura and another was, his name is Noel Corton. is in the art world in L.A., but his son lived in Miner's Oaks, and his son worked for the Forest Service, so he has this connection to Ojai, and then I was a fourth one as a community member representing what the non-artists think is nice, so that was interesting. Anyway, we made our final selection, and it is a piece...
It's this, Just take this off the board and pass it around. And then I'll explain to you what it is. What I'm going to do is read the artist's description of what it is, so I don't have to make this up. So it's called Hive Mind, and it's a honeycomb-shaped sonic structure designed to magnify the sounds of plants, humans, animals, and insects It'll be interactive and encourage park goers to tune into the natural beauty of Miner's Oaks Park through a heightened sense of sound and bodily awareness.
So I could go on and on, and I think if you would like, I can just give you her description. But it's this really cool, we thought very elegant design. And you can move it around so if you want to listen Kids over there, you want to listen to the birds or the chirp bells. You can move this around so This project is about a 1.5 million dollar project we have raised over a million dollars for it and The art in California parks had a second call for implementing Art projects and by a miracle we got that also, but they had to like cut back what we asked for in order to fund more projects so We originally asked for a hundred and $39,000 and they gave us a hundred and ten. So we're twenty nine thousand dollars short And that's why I'm here is asking for money for support For the sculpture so since I have I think I have some more two seconds
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I Grant you at least two seconds ago
I didn't know that there was this whole thing about murals in the city of Ojai, kind of like in my own little world over there in Miners Oaks. And so our board selected an amazing studio that the artists live in Miner's Oaks And they're working with the school district to... They do the design. It's kind of a paint-by-number thing. Not to interrupt you, but she spoke
with us a couple of meetings ago. So I know your time is tight so we're not going to...
Sophia right?
If I understood correctly, you have received two grants. Is that correct? That's correct
we got the planning grant and now we have the implementation grant so they liked us enough that they said boom you've got it but not everything we asked for
And you're 501C3, you're separately raising funds. Is that correct?
We are. We have money from the state of California from completely separate. We have money from foundations, grants and private donations. Okay. Thank
you.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you. It's very exciting.
If I may say one more thing, I am new to the Arts Council but I'm not new to Ojai art because my parents were members of an organization called the Ojai 20 and I don't know if any of you remember that but they were a group of 20 artists in the East End back in the 60s so they were like a precursor to the Ojai Studio Artists which my parents were members up too. So I'm new to you guys but I am not new to you.
Thank
you. Thank you so
much. Chair, did you want to take a break after this or do you want to keep going?
I have no need for a break.
Okay just
checking. But I did oh so we can like greet them or something yes but I'll just make some closing comments and then we'll take a break how's that sound so that we can greet them so let me make my closing comments what are they Oh, I did want to say you guys are welcome to stay but it's just sausage making regular government. But thank you so much for bringing this joy to our monthly meeting and it's so cool when I think about because at the end of the day it's council's money or council is your money and council is your elected representatives that decide how it's spent but it's so beautiful to see it just come right back And then see, you can fill a pothole and we should fill our pothole. But I think we should see doing your projects just as important as filling a pothole.
Even if they're 200 yards outside the city limit for example on Miners Oaks Park. We do have both of we have gotten exceptions for our Commission and for our grants to be able to award anywhere in the valley And because we recognize that art, you know doesn't know those boundaries. So thank you very much So we'll take a short break and say goodbye
to you I'm gonna set a timer for 10 minutes item. I'd turn out all the five minutes five minutes What do you think?
In closing, I just want to thank everybody for coming and if it were up to me and it was a single vote, I would fund everybody for everything. It was amazing. It was really, really just to hear... Thank you so much! I feel almost artistic, but thank you.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, I think we're ready.
All right. We're live let's get started again here. Consent calendar has one item just a minute. I have reviewed them.
I
think we're live. Okay, thank you Any any Any corrections or ideas on the minutes from anybody? I Make a motion we accept the minutes and Thank You secretary for submitting Do I have a second? All in favor? Thank you. All right. Ad Hoc Committee, been looking forward to this. Commissioner Wright.
Bradley second, sorry. Oh I'm sorry. Taking the minutes. Hello. Where is this? Should I just jump into this or
do you want me
to summarize the administrative report? The city asked that we go over the ad hoc committee composition and confirm its role, the timeline and scoring of the rubric So I would first like to introduce my ad hoc committee for the 2027 Arts Grant Cycle. And I think this is news to everybody, right? You guys... No, no. So it is my pleasure to introduce the four wonderful members of our community who have agreed to serve along with myself on the Ad Hoc Committee for the 2027 Arts Grant Cycle.
First, we have Elizabeth Herring who served on last year's Ad Hoc Committee. She is an Ojai-based artist working in photography, sculpture and installation. Her practice explores the intersection of historical narrative material and American consumer culture often through unexpected and humorous combinations of found objects, images and characters. Her work has been exhibited nationally as well as in Berlin, and her photography has appeared in publications including the Editorial Magazine, Sleek magazine, Esquire and Vice.
Elizabeth's artistic practice has also led her to community building, curating and organizing. From 2023 to 2025 she co-operated Spore Space, a small project space for emerging artists in Ojai and in 2022 she co-curated and produced a public exhibition at the Ojai Historic Jail which was partially funded by an Ojai City Arts Grant you might recall Earlier in her career, she also organized and curated artist events and exhibitions in New York City and Berlin.
A lifelong Ojai resident, Elizabeth holds an MFA from the California Institute of the Arts, a BA from New York University Gallatin, and a certificate from the International Center of Photography. She brings to the committee She brings the committee an artist perspective as well as experience in creating opportunities for other artists in the community. I am also especially thankful for the institutional knowledge she gained last year that will further help facilitate the overall grant process.
The second member, Joel Meharry. Joel Meharry is a creative director, writer, designer and photographer whose work encompasses websites, brand identities, advertising and film. Over the course of his career he has worked with companies from Ojai to London and has received recognition from numerous organizations including The One Club Print, Communication Arts, The Hatch Awards and the Addies.
Joel grew up surrounded by artists and went to build a career working with large firms in Boston, San Francisco and New York. Since moving to California in 2002 he has established a creative consultancy serving brands and fields including health and wellness, sustainable energy, music, active lifestyle, food and hospitality and consumer technology. He has collaborated with hundreds of artists, photographers, writers, filmmakers and musicians which has taught him how to evaluate creative work with sensitivity and clearly articulate the reasoning behind his aesthetic judgments.
For the past 10 years Joel has lived in Ojai and serving on the committee is personally meaningful to him. Ojai's creative community is evolving, building upon a long legacy of artistic exploration and excellence. The Ojai Playhouse, the rejuvenated music program at Libby Bowl, a resurgent Ojai Underground, the Ojai Music Festival, and many others are contributing to something significant A vision of Ojai as an arts gem. A place where taste, sensitivity and creative integrity count. A place not too small just big enough comparable building a creative infrastructure capable of building a creative infrastructure that can sustain a vital arts economy for decades.
Being part of the committee and the selection process gives Joel a chance to participate in and contribute to our city's evolution Our third member, Kathleen Schaefer. Kathleen Schaefer is an Ojai-based author, leadership educator and civic strategist whose work focuses on helping individuals and communities recognize their strengths, deepen connection and create meaningful change.
She's the founder of The Human Being Store in the Center for Understanding where she brings together leaders across sectors to explore new approaches to leadership, community well being and systems change. For nearly four decades Kathleen has designed and facilitated leadership programs for public, non-profit, philanthropic and community organizations in the United States and internationally.
She has also been deeply involved in Ojai's civic and cultural life including serving as president of the Ojai Film Society during its transition to the free community based summer film series at Libby Bowl that we've all come to love. Through her many years in the Ojai Valley, Kathleen has developed an expansive perspective on the vital role that artists and creativity play in shaping a vibrant connected community.
She brings to the committee extensive experience working across sectors, a longstanding connection to Ojai's cultural life, and a particular interest in how the arts contribute to the public's benefit and well-being. Last but not least is Betsy Watson. Betsy Watson has lived in the Ojai Valley since 1996 and has been an enthusiastic supporter of Ojai's artistic community ever since. She regularly attends local exhibitions, tours and openings, takes classes from our local masters And she has a collection of works by Ojai artists in her home.
Betsy brings substantial experience in community service and grant making to the committee. As a longtime member and past resident of the Rotary Club of Ojai, she has served for many years on its Community Grants Committee. She has also served on the Grants Committee of the Ojai Women's Fund. Her community involvement extends beyond the arts. Betsy has advocated for Ojai's senior citizens, first as a volunteer and later as administrator of the Gables of Ojai.
As an avid cyclist she is a longtime advocate for active transportation and its community health and environmental benefits. She is also a past commissioner with the County of Ventura Area Housing Authority. Betsy is honored to serve on the Arts Grants Committee and brings a strong belief in the value of Ojai's artistic reputation and the importance of nurturing and protecting its creative community. She looks forward to applying her experience and discernment to thoughtful and fair allocation of the limited grant funds.
Together, these committee members bring the unique combination of passion for the arts and professional expertise across a wide range of disciplines. Their collective perspective will bring rigor, thoughtfulness and care to the grant review process ensuring that each application receives the attention and consideration it deserves. I am confident that their leadership will help foster a process that is both equitable and efficient while supporting the City of Ojai's commitment to a vibrant and thriving arts community.
On behalf of the entire Arts Commission, I want to extend my heartfelt thanks to all the ad hoc committee members for generously giving their time and expertise to this important work. I look forward to collaborating with you as we move through this process. Any questions, Commissioner?
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OK. Let's put some structure around this. Are we going to have just vote on ad hoc committee members today or was it part of other? I saw there's other things in the report. Do you want to like we've already approved the rubric, right? It's just attached for our interest and the timeline.
She revised it a little bit, right?
So why don't we make a motion? I'll make a motion to accept them, and then maybe we'll have a discussion.
And I second that motion.
OK. Discussion now. I think it's a good way to do this.
OK, so I guess I'm going to piggyback on what Brad asked. He asked where did you get these impressive people? And I just want to compliment you because you brought together last year Quite an impressive ad hoc committee, and you have done the same this year. There's diversity and intelligence and knowledge and experience, and brava to you. Thank you. Good luck.
And I must say, I know how time consuming it is to pull together so many people with difficult schedules. So good job. Thank you.
I can tell you it was not easy. It's one of the more stressful parts of the grant process for me. A lot of people are extremely busy and don't have time to volunteer the amount of hours it takes to thoroughly go through these grants so, you know, I started with my List of people that you know, I have a running list basically of people who? Tell Oh Karina next year. You should think about or you know And I as you know I always ask my commissioners for recommendations and I thank you all for your input invaluable And I have to say, this seems like each year just keeps getting better. So yeah, I'm super happy about that so...
I would like to add my sort of appreciation but also not just for the work you've done but what you're leaving behind. I know this is the last year you want to do this, but what you left behind is Format that fits into the city's calendar It's it's three layers of approval for spending cities fun, you know and I wanted to commend liaison rule as well for helping us put this in the format that That is fully agendized and transparent. And I think it's one of the best selection processes I've seen for spending government money, people's money that I've ever experienced because I see a lot of ones where there's a lot of talk and paperwork, but at the end they're really just throwing something together and doing everything they legally need to.
But this seems like a great way... And just the results of what we had last year, the way it was spread across the arts, the way it was spread across evolution in our organizations lifetime And really made impact in, you know during the and when it's followed up with good strong communications afterwards we've been advertising to the public now. When these events that they do or these projects that they do are taking place I think it can continue to give people a better hope that government and the arts can work together so I want to thank everyone at this table for your part in doing that
Another Aspect of this discussion item is to confirm the timeline and the scoring rubric, so I
Thought they were solid
already. So so Let's it we're confirming So do you want to first vote on the
composition
yeah let's do that should we uh how do you want to do it well there's a
motion it's seconded
yes
there's been discussion
i've just wrote anymore
any more questions
all in favor
yep
all opposed is that good enough thank you
unanimous
No, I think we voted on the rubric last time right?
We voted on the rubric but as we did last year We would like to keep bringing to the public's attention the uses of the rubric and how it interfaces with the grant decision process. And it's included on this administrative report. The rubric, I just wanted to bring it back. We made a change last time with that. And you can look at the example I just wanted to bring it back and make sure that my commissioners note that I got that right after that robust discussion. And if there was any other questions about that, that is the flexible extra credit, the quote plus factor for new applicants and that flexible extra credit at the discretion of ad hoc committee.
I move that we adopt the rubric with amendation.
Do you vote, or do you make a motion? I'm making a motion.
Can I second it? Then we
can
discuss it because we can't discuss
it together.
Second. OK.
Carry on, Chair. This is how we did it, I thought. Well, it's
the amendment.
I don't think it's been amended. I thought we did this last time?
You guys discussed the flexible credit last time and decided to go with the plus factor rather than her how many years one, two and three.
Is this different?
A little bit
yes. Oh okay, I'm sorry. Yeah. All right discussion.
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I would just say, you know, I was taking the notes during the meeting and does this read the way that we originally wanted it to be perceived?
That is... I think it provides flexibility which is what we were looking for and also teases out the problematic issue that we were seeking to address. Okay,
great. All
in favor? Aye.
Good. Was there a second to that? I'm sorry. Smitty, you do.
Because we have so many layers of this. This is
approval,
unapproval. I know. But I like that. I'm just
following-
Because it's not... We don't award the grants based on your rubric score. No.
Exactly. It's
a piece- You would just bring them to us organized that
way? The rubric is a piece, a guidance. Obviously the grants are not solely decided on your rubric score. And the other piece of this is to confirm the process that the Ad Hoc Committee uses, its process in reviewing these grants. We have the calendar attached there to remind us that of our expected deadlines of presenting the information back to the Arts Commission. We have the deadline there of November 19th as the vote.
amongst us. And as I've said before, the Ad Hoc Committee reviews the grants on their own and then we come together and discuss them and then we present the materials to you for you to review and then we vote on that day. So it's the same process as last year and the year before.
Basically, according to the...
Is your mic on? I'm sorry. Sorry.
Basically, according to the administrative report, if we approve it, we just do nothing.
Right.
Yeah. So I propose we just do nothing.
Good.
I'm going to propose something before you go on, is I wonder would this and I'll ask liaison Bridget as well. Would this be useful? I just come from a franchise business background to set these calendars such that We have somewhere like the last Friday in August or something or the first
Third Thursday
Right, but what I mean for the calendar items so that future councils all you have to do is look at the calendar that year because you're changing the date every year and You know don't want accidentally get something on a Saturday. Like so this is set up so that It's open the whole month of September, right so It closes here on the 30th because I think it's a Thursday this year. Is that right? I think you know but You know, I'm trying to save future Commissions The math
oh
Yeah
It's not a lot of math.
It's an
internal document on the website, has specific
dates. For the most part these dates are commission meetings or council meetings so
that
doesn't change. Well
it does. Thursday or Tuesday. I
believe that we have laid out this process now in extreme detail. This is the third year, and I think that we should not have to keep laying out this process in extreme detail any longer.
Well, I feel like I'm going to squeeze every bit out of you before you're gone. That's what I'm trying to do.
You know, I think the process has been
proven.
Sure. We started this because we were doing something new and we want the public to know how we're going
but... Did we extend last year or did we do it in 30 days?
We did
it in 30 days.
I mean, that's not entirely true that we were doing something new. I think the reality is that we did something wrong in an earlier commission And so we were super attentive to fix it. And under your guidance, we did fix it. I like the transparency. I like the detail and I think you know we could maybe shorten people's bios which are very impressive and interesting to me but but I do think we want this level of transparency because we certainly don't want any future commission to make the mistake that past Commission made and we want to be transparent to the public Thank you.
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Maybe
it's one vote starting in July where we just, this is grant season and this is what's going to be happening. September meeting and the ad hoc is
announced. It could almost happen without a discussion. I don't
see or if you get your Ad Hoc Committee together before then good for you. But I think that there's a lot of other pieces to the grant cycle that we can be spending more time on and like the end of last grant cycle, I will have the report for you at the end of this grant cycle in ways in which we can improve the grant cycle.
When a liaison rule goes and asks for $200,000 next time. I don't want anyone on council to be able to say, well, how were the reports at the end of the year showing how it was spent? You know, I want to have that answer. And
by whom.
That's right there. And by whom too. So I'm preparing future commissions and council Not being able to say no. So you're in the thick of it, and I want to make sure that it's not about us and that it can continue into the future. That future councils will see the benefit of this investment in the community. And it should at least grow according to the size of the budget or the size of the population if it's really going to serve the creative economy.
200, I'm going for 250. Do I hear
three? There
we go! Because that's one where I still feel like it's not entirely transparent is at the end of the year I don't even like these one-year cycles, but we're kind of stuck with it in government. But at the end of
the
grant cycle that there's an audit so that we can say yes this money was spent as it was supposed to. That's something we've never done well other than just ask people to report back. So that's where I still think I would like for no one to ever be able to question that.
Well those all of those grant summaries are received and logged and I assume completely accessible for everybody to look at We probably could even do a summary report on that if that would be helpful to the
Right or have some sort of even you know, if we had staff here that like arts staff You know, part of their yearly things to do is well make sure how much did you spend? You know, and what was it for? Singing my
song. We knew they spent it all. That is for sure.
All
right. So that is all I have on grants. Look forward to everybody getting
their applications in
by the
30th. The only change we made on this is the date for the press release so I don't know that you need to vote on it. No, I think
not. For this year.
Yeah. Is there enough information that Is there enough information that it's worthwhile to create a manual for applicants just when someone says, I want to become part of the process? That sort of lays out to them the timeline, what to expect and how to go about doing it.
I think the directions are very comprehensive. One link
now, they click and
everything's there, right? I would like people to follow the meetings of the Arts Commission then they would be up-to-date on what the process is. I agree with
that.
And read instructions. Bridget and I are, you know, fielding emails and questions this entire grant cycle. One thing we've discussed here is having a grant workshop. And I don't know if that would be attended or useful. Get everybody to ask their questions at one time there also always Invited to come to public comment. So
Sure, you know most of the grant I've been applying for grants and very often they'll have a webinar Or two, you know, I Know Simi Valley does that too? Just like a zoom meeting that you can invite everyone to which is I don't think we need to
I mean Very
straightforward and and we're
not Like some organizations, we're not asking the applicant for a horse and pony show. We just want them... We don't want them to put in $10,000 worth of time for their $2,000 grant. So I think it's very streamlined. We tuned it up this year and will tune it up again next year.
Well, we at least should have the at the top of our website the link there for info and application for arts grants. You know I just I saw it scrolled down to find it but there is a look There is one link and the document has both the application and the instructions on it So
yeah, I think what you've done is absolutely amazing Totally amazing. The people who you've gotten to serve on this are stellar. I'm very impressed.
Thank you, thank you. I am very happy.
Well, I've been beating the communication side on social media. You guys don't go there and so I'm fielding a lot people are just coming to me and saying well I mean you know if someone comes and says can I just apply for myself? I'm an artist I mean that's just really but my point is like that I mean we want them we want to encourage that we want to say Yes, and everything's on this link. You know what I mean? I'm not going to try to fault them for not having been following me or us in the past because we're doing a great job.
Fantastic! Thank you for institutionalizing it and your blood sweat and tears. And looking forward to what pops up. You guys only have 13 more days, I think, right? Yeah. Get your applications in. Any
grants in so far? Oh, I was going to put...I'll report that on you. Wait for your report.
Is that it? No. Our joint meeting with City...
No, I meant... Yes,
we're done with that item, yes.
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OK. Who's leading this one? Are you, Bridget? City Council meeting or is that my discussion item? I think it's yours, Mr. Chair. It's mine. All right. Well, I've prepared a very detailed administrative report as you can see at the end here. We're going to do October 13th. This item doesn't need to be voted on
or anything. It just can be a discussion just so you know. Pardon me? Oh, OK. It doesn't need to be voted on. It could just be a discussion.
Yeah. OK, so October 13th. Now is that a regular Tuesday?
Yes.
That's their regular meeting, but it's at what time?
Y'alls will be at 5, I believe you come in at 5. For one hour? Is
it five? Yes, it's usually five to six prior to the normally scheduled meeting.
Point of order Mr. Chair before we review what we're going to discuss I'm unable to attend that meeting and I would like very much to attend it especially because we're only five people As a beleaguered commission member, I get exactly one vacation a year which happens to be in my October. And I would like to recommend that we see if we can find a different date to hold this meeting.
I'm not opposed to that. This, this, I believe is a mayor's call right? This is a mayor call thing so I don't have a lot of... I don't know what my options
are. It might be worth just asking if you can maybe switch with a different commission and talking to another commission saying if they want to change their joint meeting with yours just like working it out. I mean it's worth the discussion. Yeah. And including Weston in it. Weston would be the other person to make sure
I recognize
that my position is at my because it's not my meeting. You know what? I mean, so I don't know what the process would be to Because we'd have to pull maybe if you
would like I can I can take this on and discuss it both with city staff and with the mayor and See how that would work the best way. I'm happy to do so Great
I mean, you see my awkwardness
and I don't know. How do
I? Someone else called the meeting. I guess one question—I'm available all the time except during those two weeks.
Would you be available the next city council
meeting? Yes, absolutely. But that's not ours to offer.
Yeah, yeah. Right. Well, but that's part of the
question. Because one of us might not be available either and we'll check if we can have a quorum too.
And I mean, feel free to go ahead without me. I get that entirely. But I guess one thing that irks me a bit is why was it sort of summarily scheduled? Is that what always happens, Bridget, that they don't ask the commissions?
Well, it's never happened before. Last year it was done differently so it's hard to say how we usually do it. So last year was the first year.
Last year it was scheduled
though. It was and they came to us and asked for dates and then it happened.
That's my point. This was only known to us when we got the agenda. Yes, correct. So there was no chance of rearranging travel plans and such? Yeah. Anyway, we can work on that.
Great. Thank
you. Would it be worthwhile however to discuss some things that we would like to discuss at the joint
meeting? Absolutely. I have some notes from previous... Yes, please go
I would definitely like to discuss the it's here they Recommendation adjustments a grant price process criteria public engagements, etc regarding the grant process specifically Dividing the grant into two grants, one for individuals and one for organizations. And deciding on maybe a percentage of the grant budget for each one of them, 75-25. Because the individual artists against the organization is always going to fall short. They just don't have the same impact, criteria etc. So I would love to see two separate grants.
I know you would I Think we may be going backwards here too because we serve counsel for arts recommendations and that would be That would I would say that is our action. We don't need them to do that,
correct? Yeah This is just a report out to them So they don't have to change any of your processes you you would change them here and well Okay
We choose our own process.
Previously, I'll cue the videotape. We thought, understood that to make such a change to the grants that it should be approved by the city council. That was my recommendation as well. If we're going to rearrange the grants as they are into two separate
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I don't want to get into discussion about that particular item, but I think I Remember there was discussion that this was sort of a best practices for small cities because of the legal requirements and we would have actually we would almost have to go to Staff and ask for a legal recommendation on what it would take to be able to for the City to be award grants to a Individual because they were different than the 501 c3. I don't know that it was go to council I thought it was go to actual to try to staff to try to get guidance on that
I'm not talking about Awarding grants directly to individuals. I'm talking about separating separating out the jury competition between, so all individuals are only judged against other individual applicants and only non-profits and organizations are judged together. So that they're two separate, so that an individual artist is not in the same pool as their work ethic. I get that
but what do you want from counsel on that?
I would like to know if we can drastically change the grant formation.
Well, I think we can decide that within ourselves here.
Okay.
We're going to need... I just know we're going to need some legal advice though. Why? Oh, you're saying still keeping the same add-on
process? Exactly the same but we have... And the application process can be exactly the same. I would like to know and I think it is a city council issue. I don't know No,
we create the grants program yeah, I don't think this Numerous times and it's been kicked down the road Yeah, we create
I think if all you're doing is separating out the process, I don't think it needs to go back to the council unless you feel like you would like to have that step of approval. We could put it on a consent item and it could just pass by but it doesn't seem to me that... It seems to be within your purview.
Okay.
But I'm talking like a lawyer. I have no idea. That's all I can say, but I can check with the attorney as well.
Well, I don't think we need the lawyer. My concern is do we have the authority to say We're only going to give one grant to one individual artist for $2,500. That is going to be what is going to be awarded this year and maybe there's gonna be 15 individual artists applications that are all vying for that one grant. Okay? So that's an example. Yes. And so we would be dividing the budget of the grant So part of it would be only for individual artists, and part of it would only be for arts organizations. So considering that we would be changing the budget in essence.
Right, so if you were to- I think if you were to say we are going to give two grants or three grants to individuals regardless of how many applications we have and we're gonna give the remainder to you know nonprofits or you know LLC's or whatever. I would say that if you were to stipulate in that way, that hardcore line of this many for this and this many for that versus we're going to look at all of them.
I think if you're going to decide a certain number for one group and a certain number for the other group, like just not dollar amount but number of applicants that you will fund. It's a little bit trickier. I think if you were to look at everything, I think you could look at both groups and decide the merits of each and then decide which number without going in with a set number beforehand. That's what I would say. I would say if you have a set number beforehand, then maybe you should go before council but if you're just going to evaluate based on the applicants that you get with no set number because in this particular year five individuals came in that were just stunning versus last year where there were only three, right? Are you understanding the distinction?
So that's what I would say. I would also say that if you wanted to do it, you could just put a consent item like we did not give you any instructions on how the grant process was to go so you are not in anyway veering from anything that you were
Even though for the third year in a row, I'm getting direction from the city on how to run the grants.
Oh, I did not know you were getting direction from the city.
Well, isn't that what these administrative reports are?
No. Those are prepared by us or staff.
It's just a report to show the public what this item is about. Okay.
And that's actually what I was going to say, Karina. I mean certainly we would address these issues and we would tease them out as we go forward and I think if you as the chair and we as the commission Thank you Individuals are disadvantaged because they're judged against groups that are funded and that have experience, and it's sort of difficult for those applications to sort of rise to the top.
It's your call, Commission.
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Yeah, it is your call and I would just say and I agree. It's just about transparency It's just about making sure that the public has an opportunity to comment on anything that you're doing That's what transparency is all about That's why the 72-hour you know, agenda item. The public has a right to know what any of the commissions are doing especially as it regards financial money but other than that that's what transparency is and that's all you're really required to do.
So maybe we just need to bring your issue up again as an agenda item here for this meeting? I think
we should have a special meeting tomorrow
You can call a special meeting
with 24-hour notice, but I would suggest that you try
to give
the 72 hour
notice that is standard.
It's up to you what I'm just saying. If the ad hoc committee came back and wanted to give all the money to one artist, it would be within the purview for them to come do that and they would bring that to commission and then we would probably have something to say about it but there are reasons that individual artists need You know, it needs fiscal sponsors.
And we might do that. Yes, we might do that. The reason I further brought it up was I feel like it's a philosophical question and you know, I thought maybe the City Council might have thoughts about it so...
No. We would leave it back to you, we would throw it back to you saying, you know, you are our commission please recommend, we don't need to. Okay great. Yeah I'm almost certain that would be the response. Right? We trust you, we like you, you do it.
And I would actually bring in like, when you brought this up. I remember going to the county and asking them about it and getting pretty clear legal reasons why it was dangerous on individual grants both but But we'll save that for a meeting. We'll save that for a meeting,
right? Yeah, it's not legal advice that they're dangerous It's a whole no, that's well You explained it. Well the last time you spoke about let's let the record speak
I Was eloquent wasn't
It seems to me that when you're judging large format organizations against large format organizations and artists against artists, you can do that on your own without any sort of permission. And I think that we set up, it would be wise to set up criteria for individual artists that is different than criteria for larger organizations. I think that's quite legitimate.
I think it's important that we carry a distinction between them for a whole variety of reasons they may need less money They may have a certain kind of art that we find interesting or not interesting, but I think it's really important to judge each of them on the value of what they present and whether or not it's worthy of a grant regardless of whether they're an individual or an organization.
Very wise, but we can't discuss that today. So this is for another topic and it's not been agendized as a subject for today too. I
would just like to add that I was on the Ad Hoc Committee last year and I think the process worked very well in considering grants from non-profits along with the individuals. very robust conversations about, you know, the various applicants. But in the end I think we came to consensus and proper resolution.
What I'm going to discuss now—and I have a little list of things that I want to hit the agenda when we have our joint meeting and I know there's stuff you guys are brought to me so they're the things I'm gonna make sure is on there—the continuing talk about some staff responsibility that's directly an arts person so that when we have And when we have these responsibilities for pushing things through, that we have the ability to do it. That's why there's staff out there. They heard that before too. We're continuing to talk about the carve outs for are we able to have music, recorded music here at the meetings?
Libby Bolk, it continues to be an issue that we feel like because it is in our jurisdiction. We're supposed to advise the council on all things pertaining to art in the community and that kind of happened without us. And now there's little things happening that I think that we can help with and should have been but maybe in the future. We can be brought into those discussions, the way our one big venue that the city does own presents programming and how it impacts the community.
We talked about the poster for Ojai Day is going to be an item that I have on there too. And there was one more somehow the AI we had a meeting with Kim Mang Last week and I brought it up to her too. We what do
you mean? We had a meeting with
Kim I'm sorry Carolyn and I about social media so we were talking about technology and everything and What happened at the last council meeting was that there was an AI policy that was decided for this city And it just sort of like I tuned in because I thought it was gonna be I thought there'd be a line out the door of people to have something to say about it and there wasn't any public comments on it at all, and there was discussion. It seemed like a cordial thing between council but then I came away with Knowing that it was just decided that all employees and officials, and even volunteers who work for the city can only use certain AI tools. And that's a sort of- That sounds like a
good
idea. What to?
That there be some policy? I mean, I think we should see it.
But certainly- Sure but there's no way to do it. Like I sort of wanted like the next day, I'm not allowed to use AI for doing anything in any city business. You know that there isn't one in place for me and I'm not allowed to use mine. It just sort of happens. So those are the things I want at least get on a list that we'll choose from at our meeting.
So may I? Yes. So, Smitty, I think that's impressive and your list dovetails with mine but first I've got a few questions and that is who prepared this thing? Where did this come from? Did you do this?
No, I think it's just boilerplate that they all got to the way the meetings are going to be conducted.
The admin report? The admin report. Yeah, it's just a copy of what went from last year. I just took it from last year and changed
it. Okay, thank you for that. That makes sense and it makes sense Okay. With no offense to anyone, especially since we don't know authorship and let's assume there is no pride of authorship when it comes to these matters. We have nothing here but gobbledygook. What does this mean? I have in the margins what does this mean, what does this mean? Collaboration with community arts organizations and artists, opportunities for partnerships with local cultural groups. It's policy guidance upcoming initiatives. We are not going to- When I write an
admin report, I send it off to the person who is involved. They can change it any time so-
No, I understand. Again, I'm saying no fault, no pride of authorship. May I continue please? So, and probably you know I saw it as well maybe in advance but I'm bringing it up now. I think if we're going to have a productive meeting both for us and also for the City Council we need to talk about real stuff and I think the real stuff is exactly what you are saying. We need to understand why we're not a part of Libby Bowl programming because that is our charge under the statute. It's no one else's charge Why is the Ojai Day poster not under our purview? That is our charge, not the Recreation Department's charge with respect to art. And most importantly and what I have been saying every meeting for a year we need to address the copyright policy.
And I spoke about that to the city council sometime ago last year. Nothing has changed, and it makes sense that the council didn't address it because it's a question that should be addressed by the lawyers. We in the meantime changed lawyers and the lawyers who put it together had clearly no understanding of copyright It is a technological problem, and it has a technological solution. And the solution should be quite simple. And it is adversely affecting our community. So if I may, I would suggest that we take out all of this gobbledygook and we put in real things like copyright policy.
That's what I'm doing.
Libby
balls. That's what I'm doing. When I saw
this, I was just agonizing. This was only meant for brainstorming.
I know. I
understand,
but there's no brains in it is my point. And again, we could have had that. It's just a
guideline
to
a
discussion.
Bridget sent it to me. I actually told Bridget this is blah. We can do whatever we want with it and she said yeah and that's what my list is here. OK
so if I understand.
And I will give an update on the policy later. And would like to
just quickly note imagine if we could have had audio visuals tonight with these grant No, I mean it's just a travesty.
It's offensive.
I'll give an update on that in my report later so...
Speaking of reports if I may and then I'm not going to say another word until you call on me for a commission report I promise will you revise this and bring it back to us?
Yes
And it will contain these prongs we discussed.
Right, and I'll have nothing that's on here now, and then I'll have started with what I started just now.
Perfect,
thank you. May I also suggest that we discuss with
council lines of
demarcation and authority? What is our authority Independent from the council. That is, can we do things without it going up to council? And if not, what has to go up to council? What doesn't have to go up to council? What is within our purview? Is Libbey Park within our purview? As you said, it is Ojai Day within our purview. It may be within the purview of multiple commissions.
Can we see grants for example? I think all of these questions, we need guidance from our parents.
Can we seek grants? What do you mean?
Seek grants.
Seek grants, yes. Yeah. Well the way I would and I've done some work on some of these since our last meeting because you guys told me to and I did. And a lot of these things we can go to staff first and ask for some guidance on it. And I did on several of these. Even if I got a no-go away, I wanted to have that because that sets us up You know, well I don't get a no-go away. I get a no go to council is usually what I get and which I can do as a citizen as well you know so And I have some of those and so I've been collecting those So that we can have a more productive meeting when we're in front of them too So that's why I had this list coming in here too So I'm really just soliciting other things are on the list because I whether or not we discuss them with Council I want that list to be in front of Council to know that what we think is important Well, I remember— It was
good camaraderie.
Yeah. Well that's productive. That is. And I remember what I heard from them was, you know what? All the commissions say this. You know what I mean? And I felt both wow we have to do more make our own special case, and or I also felt like wow we have comrades you know because in some ways commissioners last longer than anything else in government. You know the councils roll over with the elections and staff you know how staff changes so commissions in some ways are responsible for kind of what's it called historical
However, I mean, I agree with Karina that it didn't seem that anything concrete came out of it. For example— Let's change that. Let's change that. I made that suggestion that Public Works identify an individual who can sort of shadow our conservators. Everyone was thrilled that there was a concrete solution to actually, you know, job security part of your creative economy issue. But there has been—a year later, absolutely no movement on one very simple, very concrete solution.
Well, that's our job in a way. So there you know, there's a legal way that what comes before Council is what comes before council and this joint meeting with them does not bring things before council it just It was almost done as like bunch of new council people and here are some commissions We don't know what you do Last year, but there's a better way of doing that. And I think we should take full advantage of this to not turn it into a gripe session but to present them with here we are your experts how do we interact with you on these what we consider important issues and what issues do you have for us that I would suggest that we have four, perhaps five
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solid issues that we want to discuss with council and that we presented. For instance, it could be Libby Bowl could be one manner in which grants are given two pick out four just pick out four because if we have yeah, we have one hour pick up two pick out three but Yeah, because otherwise it's going to be a discussion that's gonna be just all over the map. There's gonna be ten people there each of which...
The mayor runs this and he's in charge of the meeting and then he'll do a good job you know keeping it but we also have to realize if there's not been a report for discussion about a particular item there's not gonna be anything solved at that meeting you know so because they have to have something Well to discuss and vote on It is a kind of a camaraderie thing as best I can tell and I think it's our best advantage And I'd love for you to come in.
Yeah, I mean The best way I see this working is that you come in with four or five things That we that we discussed them and you know We just get basic ideas out then we call for an ad hoc committee of members to come through with, you know, delving more deeply and coming up with a recommendation and or an agenda item for the council to move forward on. The ad hoc gives its findings, whatever close enough to findings suggestions and then it becomes a agenda item If it needs to be an agenda item, I think that's the way to go because nothing can be decided in an hour.
You need more time than that for each item and you need people to think deeply and to understand completely council members to be able to go back to council and say this is the recommendation and this is why it is and here's the discussion let's do 10 minutes and move on That's what I would suggest and I would be happy to make sure that that ad hoc committee suggestion finds form and a vote And I have I'm pretty sure that it would move forward. And that would be my suggestion too from the
City Council I'll collect these I may have collected now, and then I may Have a call with you to help prepare
Yeah
for sure best list
Yeah, yeah. For sure
it'll be Andy's meeting
right? Yeah, but it's your meeting too I mean It's supposed to be the chair and and the mayor together. It's a joint meeting But that you know, the mayor is the presiding officer in any meeting so that's true But you'll get we'll get the votes for an ad hoc And then we can delve deeply and we can take those four issues and they can come back and if we believe that We need to have a council vote on it. We have a council vote on it You'll have two commissioners already Move it through
Nice.
I know when the city manager was here, he was giving us guidance in real time about things that we don't have to bring back. So maybe even in this joint meeting they could say no.
Yeah, it's up to you. Make your decision on this. We don't need to, yeah. That would be helpful. I think that would be a really good use of the meeting time to find out what is within your purview and what the council believes should come back and should go through the ad hoc perhaps.
Yeah, the
city manager will be there. The city attorney will be there.
I'm sorry?
Like it could be like these are the things we're going to be working on in the next quarter and making decisions on do any of this. Well, if
it's things were already know what we're doing and we don't need their
help. So just giving them an overview and which of these then they can let us know which of these they would want to play a hand in
maybe Right, right. These things are up to us. And there's things we keep going back and they're here again and again and so I'm—that's what I'm getting the list right now guys so this is your opportunity to give me the list all right? The process will happen.
And the first point on the list I think is whether it can be a date different from October 13 but if not I get that
entirely. Yeah,
yeah, I think
Bridget's gonna handle that. She's your staff liaison and she has a really good approach, we just talked about it.
We know how good Bridget is. Yeah, I am not here tomorrow. It's my flex day but Monday it will be my priority to send this off to the mayor or city manager. I will keep Chair Wesson and Council Member Roehl copied in this so that everybody's on the same page and she'll be able to...
No, no,
no.
And I'll back it up. All your fault! And I'll back it up. You know? I'll subtly back it up during meetings.
May I suggest that-
I think it's essential that the vice chair of the commission is present at this joint meeting.
Absolutely agree, and Bridget has a good strategy.
Can I suggest that, Smitty, that you circulate the four or five topics so that we may comment on them
and
say maybe one alternative? Right.
Well, I'll make sure that everything... Right. Yes, I will Good but I also want to make sure that everything I named at least is on the list even if it's not the top four You know what? I mean so the council kind of has an idea for what's going on because I don't want it to get it I'd want to give the impression We're trying to usurp power But what's happening is with these issues where we can just see in the community where we're not involved there's problems and you know people are running around and need something then we're there to Following on what Brad said,
will you also take
the gobbledygook out of this? I didn't want to spend an hour rewriting something over there. Do you
think it is a good idea to address the social media questions that we've
had? Is that on the list? We'll have our report tonight on social media, and we'll see. Did I have that on here? Yes.
Okay. Great.
Social media right
there. Vice Chair Senator, when we get to this meeting, Totally different report. This will not go to that meeting, okay? It won't look like this, I
promise.
That was just a
placeholder for my list. I didn't want to write something. Thank you for that. I wasn't allowed to use AI to write something.
You just need to change a couple of words in the AI version.
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But I'm not allowed to use the tool. I don't have access to the tool you
have. Oh, oh, you're talking about... Okay, you're talking about... None of the commissioners have access. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, got it but you will?
Yeah, I hear that. I do know that's something they were discussing making sure that you guys will be able to have in the future so it's not... Sure. It's not... Well, I've already had some...
I'm moving on
to
commission reports, and that's going to be my first topic because after that AI policy flew through and I did contact The manager and the manager was out of town. So James Hahn City Manager was so the IT director popped in and then the manager came back and they pretty much decided it was No, I'm confusing it I'm sorry with a social well know what that okay, let me go down my list here It was the copyright thing. All right, it was a copyright thing that I had discussion with them too and they did reach a point where they firmly described why it is where it is and why it is and said you know no if there's a problem of that talk to council you know and so I've reached that point in just this week and so that's the plan okay.
Can you update me on those
meetings? Yeah
I don't think it has to happen now.
No, but I will.
It's clearly a—it's really not a copyright problem. It's a technology problem that has to have a technology solution.
Yes.
Yes.
There'll be an update on that. I've got so much to say, I'm not going to say anything. And I've been trying to take some of these issues and see how far we can take them under the Brown Act with limited involvement with a commissioner because he's coming back. And do have some stuff. So now on the social media, I am going to let you report on the social media.
Are you prepared? Not now, but it'll come to you too. So that's something else that's taken place. The poster is not, but it did come up with our discussion with Kim Mangan I think as well. The bowl, I've done nothing on communication. I've been writing A lot and talking about I wrote a little piece on commissions and what they are and what they do. I wrote two pieces on the grants process, and there's 100, what would you do with 100 grant? You know what I mean? And try to get some excitement out there. And I could tell that it is generating calls and interest in people who are here tonight as well that have not been here before.
I wrote a piece on On AI and the arts, so I didn't sign that as Arts Commission But I know it's an issue that we're that's Front and center at the city right now as well. So that's what I've been doing on communication Noosa should be talking to individually. I know she was on a vacation but on the update of strategic plan And I don't think I had anything on technology. Oh, all of us went to the—not all of us but everyone, Four of us happened to be at the county's strategic plan public input meeting that was held at the Miners Oaks Library last week. That was an interesting meeting for David Yoshitomi in that he had four commissioners. Oh, and Bridget was there as well! Thank you, thank you.
So that was mainly him listening to us. I mean, he came with a presentation but it turned into him listening to us and that was beautiful. Thank you commissioners for showing up at that and giving the input into the county's slow moving but deliberate moving. The position itself of cultural and arts manager at the county, for this is the first year that supervisors are actually paying for it rather than that grant that they had, the COVID grant that they had too. So I was pleased to do that. I did have another meeting with David just as an update, a private meeting with him and learned about it. Did I report to you guys on the building of calendar now at the county level? Yeah, I think I told that. It must have been from the previous.
So that's my report. Vice Chair Steiner. Thank you Mr. Chair.
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I have nothing to report with regard to public art. There is no update. I want to thank Bridget for all her work on getting the documents together with the Public Art Fund. We're at least finding our way towards sunshine there. I do want to note that one of the members of our community who is also a former commissioner, Susan Stenz-Muhlen Amond was elected to the College of Fellows of the American Craft Council which is quite a great honor.
She is also currently in a group exhibition at the Corning Museum and so I think when we see in our community these These honors and the stature of our artists in this little hamlet of Ojai when many other people getting these awards are in New York or other Los Angeles, I think it's really quite an honor. And so I'd like us to congratulate Susan for this great achievement.
Thank you. Commissioner Wright?
We could do a resolution. Congratulations. Yeah, Mr. Chair, can you look into
that? I shall. Thank you. Great. Commissioner Steiner. I have Commissioner Wright next.
Are we doing reports and comments at
the same time? No, just reports at this point.
Oh, sorry. Disregard I that was a comment.
Have you been doing anything Karina? We have
no idea
You can see The previous hour for my commission report And I do want to add that I'll wait till comments Sorry, nothing to report sir
Commissioner Tabak-Bank.
I have nothing to report.
All right, Commissioner Wagner?
Is this on? As Chair West indicated he and I...
A little closer I think for the public.
Okay. Well, a couple of months ago and correct me if I'm wrong council member rule but the City Council adopted a draft social media policy. Correct? And Council Member Meng and Rachel and Lang are the council members who are assigned to Communicate
yeah, they're the ones who brought it forward.
Okay, they brought it forward and so I came across that in reading the minutes of the the median and I brought it to councilmember West attention because communications is a very important part of our strategic plan and Social media is integral to our our plan as well So it's important for us to understand The extent to which the city's social media vehicles are available to us.
And in reading the draft plan, it appears that only a designee of the city manager is able Utilize the city's social media. And so we need Chair West and I were exploring With we met with councilmember Mang did we wanted to explain to her what our concerns were? because if we're not able to utilize the the Social media, we need to have a designee who will do that for us or we need to use our own social media.
Do you want to add anything?
No,
please go ahead. So we're next going to meet with Council Member Rule at her convenience about this as a liaison to the commission. We're in the process now of just exploring what our options are And do you have anything to add, Bridget? Because we've had a lot of discussions about what we can enter, events that we can enter on the calendar. We do have an Arts Commission website so the question has been what can we really do with our website And so I'm exploring with Bridget if we can enter events.
Smitty and Nigel, a previous chair of the commission had done videos of walking tours in Ojai that in my opinion should be posted and there's other information that could be posted as well with the city's authorization. So that's kind of where we are now.
Thank you for your work with that and for your involvement in both the county people and our own council members as well. It's hard to get meetings of those people.
The city social media, the city and the parks department are the only ones who have it right? So there's no commissions, no other departments but We use our Tripps Smith for posting on there. I think the parks takes care of their own, so maybe your suggestion should be like we, it may be a commissioner can take that responsibility to update things on the social media or on the Facebook instead of going through our program that we have taking it away from there and giving
At the end of the day, no one goes there because there's nothing good there and it's terrible.
Hasn't been
updated since the 21st. I don't send anyone there because it's terrible. It flies in the face of our communication strategy for sure to not have clarity on that so thank you for your work on that. Is that all you got for us Carolyn?
Only to say that many of us here have been meeting with David from the Ventura County Arts and Culture Department, and we're exploring with David ways in which we can collaborate. Ways in which we can learn And Chair West and I are going to be meeting with David at the end of the month to discuss some possibilities. For instance, on their website they have a form that members of the community can complete and indicate are you a visual artist? Are you a photographer?
videographer, etc., etc. So that would help us build a database that I've been working on with others to create a very robust database and eventually website of everyone who's involved in arts and culture in the community so David has some ideas that we're exploring with him
Okay, thank you very much. Thank you for your activity I Think we have future agenda items, but is there anything we're missing? We've been rolling it over and we're just been keeping a good list here And I think we talked about them tonight next is going to be some more The next meeting will be probably robust presenters I would expect
A lot of these future agenda items are on your list that you're going to speak to the council about so You know, I think once you get through that then we can put them on a future feature.
Yeah Did
you guys
just feel that little rumble?
Do what?
Feel that little rumble.
No,
I think we might have had a little rumble of an earthquake But maybe not I could have just been imagining it but I felt a little rumble just
wanna say Seismic retrofit of City Hall is top on my list It could be anything in this old building I'm going to move on to our staff liaison report.
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First of all, to answer Commissioner Wright's question. We have five grant applications in as of today which is good because last year it took them a lot longer to get to that point so I'm happy about that. The Public Art Fund report I have finished. I've given it to you all. It is posted on the public arts page and the Arts Commission website and I did pass it along to Mrs. Freeman on her public records request, so I wanted to make sure you guys all had it. I can bring it to the next meeting as an agenda item if you want to discuss it or we can wait till...
I'm not sure if he'll be here but what are we can wait till November yeah I agree I agree But we got there I think we got there with your the numbers you guys were trying to say it would should be 181 194 15 It's a lot closer than it was before and We've pulled all the weeds out. So it's not just you know, we did we dug deep when he got all the answers so And we can clean it up a little bit, but we're not making changes to any of history. Just so you know. I can make it look better if you needed me to, but anything that's here is set in the spring book. It's in the finance.
That's where it's going to be. So there's that. I have been trying to work on the arts events calendar on the Ojai Arts page, and I would encourage everybody to let everybody know about it. Go sign up for it so if anything changes they get the email. You can do by email or text, I believe. You can just
enter right in there, can't
you? Not on the arts events page, but on the regular events page. So on the city of Ojai's this is specific arts events. Me and Commissioner Wagner have been working on trying to get some city art events in there so she gave me a list here I'm going to go through it try and get them up-to-date but anything you guys want to share with me I'm happy to put it on there. It'd be nice if we had some kind of image To use I agree. I will do that we I did put in I had The songwriters people, I'm sorry it's on if you go to the Arts Commission page There's a thing it says Ohai arts on the side click on there and that's the website We are using not just the Arts Commission page the Ohai arts page because it has events It has the public tours It has all of that stuff.
And then, because I did have the storyteller, I forget what their name is, American Storytellers, he was going to apply for the grant but... Songbook, there you go. But he can't so he sent me his Dolly Parton tribute list. So I said, I'm sorry you can't come and apply for the grant but I'm gonna put your event on our events page so it's out there for the public to see. Beautiful.
that I really want to start trying to work on this Ojai Arts page and get it a little more nicer look at. So, I'm welcome to changing photos. I'm learning a lot about how to use change the website up so I'm open to suggestions and it might be even a great idea to everybody to take their own part of the Ojai Arts website and like work on it with you know like the events you know obviously me Commissioner Wagner are working on that and The tours I'm sure that I could work with the commissioner Steiner on or whoever So go to what are you what page are you on?
So if you click on government And then you click on Arts Commission under the boards and commissions. Oh OK, so when you see over here it says click. It's got a little star or something. I don't know what that will not thing. That will not. It says click for Ojai Arts. Yeah. Do you see the star there? The little knot? It's like a knot.
Yeah, I think we need to make it a little more user friendly.
I agree. But for now this is where it's at. Click there. We didn't
even get to that
arts
commission. This is the Arts Commission page, so when you went from government. And it's probably going to look a lot different on your phone than it would. It's
run through our website, but it is
the Ojai Arts website. So all you have to do is go to Ojai arts I guess if you I think We want
you to tell the community
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It ends up 92% of internet users are using phones
now.
Oh yeah, you're in charge of it.
This is impossible.
Not on the Ojai Arts page, no.
Well let the record reflect... No and they're not listed on the main page either and that's something I would like to
change. I would 100% like to change it. Nobody...
What does Trump say? Is
this
covering yourself accordingly or...? Thank you for your attention to this matter, that's it. Well thank you for your attention to this matter.
But I am just letting you know I'm trying my hardest to make this page a better page so...
Let the record reflect confusion on our most educated member of our Commission and That's all I got. Thank you my
dear
councilmember roll we can't wait to hear what you've been doing
I actually, I think that I have contributed as I would have what I would have saved up to the end So if you have any questions, I'm happy to I'm happy to discuss that. I am responding now to meeting about the social media policy This has given me some insight is to like what about that? You wanted to discuss so Look for that and we can meet and that's pretty much it
I'll tell you what I like. I really like that you're sitting here with us instead of in the audience. I know that's a change, but I think it's a great change.
We're the only commission... This is the only commission that does that. So usually we sit and it's just happenstance because I sat here last year to watch the performances, but I'm happy to do that. Is that the pleasure of the chair? Yeah. I
didn't want to
lose her in the audience. So I'm happy to do that. I'm also happy to not contribute so much during the actual meeting. No, I like it. I think it's great. OK. Thank
you.
Well,
it's at the pleasure of the chair and not the vice-chair, OK? Oh yeah,
exactly
right. And the chair enjoys his pleasures.
Indeed
he does Yeah,
no I thought it was it was very helpful for me as well to really be able to Participate in real time. Yeah
All right. I would like a mute button for her mic though. Can you put it right here? No Of course I joke my dear commissioner comments Who would like to go first? Yes, mr. Corrina
Just to further belabor this, I've now learned tonight that we are free to do what we would like to do with the grants. Doesn't that put us in jeopardy? That what we present to City Council is not going to be traditional status quo, ergo reducing our possibility of a unanimous pass Grant recommendations, just saying. Something I have been concerned about. And furthermore, I'd like this meeting adjourned.
Let's do it and I'm happy to talk to you about that issue offline.
Don't use question marks on your comments. These have exclamation points at the end. Anybody want to talk about upcoming art or
something? I think there is nothing wrong with us being decisive about what we want or believe to be appropriate, including choosing who we give grants to. And once it goes up to the Council they have every right in the world to say, We don't like that. We want something else instead I mean all of us are subject to somebody above us telling us what to do and that's you know But we should be free to express what we feel is right because that's why we're on this Commission
Mm-hmm exclamation point exclamation. Thank you Any other Commissioner comments? I'm going to do Agra Dave, you know, it's my show but dear Evan Hansen in October We have 40 youth from the from the valley doing a show over two weekends In fact, it'll be October 16th weekend on October 23rd weekend Produced by Julia and Richa Badami, or directed by those two as well. So that's a beautiful art thing I wanted to advertise.
Yeah! And if there's no movement this is the pleasure of the chair. We are adjourned.