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I'm calling the meeting Hello everybody out there. I know we're running a little late, but we're now calling the meeting to order So will the clerk please call the roll?
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Okay, we have a full agenda. We're running a little behind and we have a very nice ceremony to kick the meeting off but before we go there do I have any changes in the agenda order? A question for the clerk. Do we have questions or public comment cards regarding the need for the interpreter?
We have three public comment cards for item two. Does anybody here need a Spanish language interpreter for agenda item two? It looks like we do not. We have three speakers, but it looks like
okay So we I was gonna suggest a reordering of the agenda if we didn't need to keep the interpreter But if there is not going to be a requirement for that, I
guess
Well, I don't know mr. City manager what What's your sense here?
I Think we should keep the interpreter
Okay Okay, it would is that all right if we with the council if we Reorder that to take it up early. So we know and if there's no necessity We could excuse the interpreter earlier.
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okay. So Let's see which item is that? That is
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ordered. We will now go to presentations and we have that sort of a happy time sad time We are it is my privilege to preside Saying congratulations and passing on someone who's become a real member of the family from our Sheriff's Department And we have the county sheriff here. I believe James you wanted to start Well, let me introduce Sheriff, are you? Yeah. He will be participating.
James, you can kick it off and then we'll go to what I consider to be the happy sad portion that's saying goodbye to you.
Okay well thank you very much Mayor, Council. Obviously we had our last meeting before the break but there were some things that I was trying to get finished before we had our winter break. We didn't get quite a chance to get on the agenda. The last one was pretty full But as you know, I spent a lot of time here in the Valley trying to build the relationship between us as your police department and the community. A lot of outreach so I'm going to read a little something that I've prepared To talk about that outreach and I have some people here that I want to recognize as well but other title of my Essay here is also the same title as the artwork. You're gonna see later and it's the pink moment beauty So since becoming the chief in Ojai, one of my goals was to connect with the community in a very personal way.
When I first arrived in Ojai there were a few incidents that really brought to light how little some people knew about what the sheriff's office does and what our deputies do and why which is really a shame because we are very proud of the work we do and we're proud to serve our community as your law enforcement professionals As part of my outreach campaign, I wanted to make sure that our community knew exactly what we were doing and why. Because I know that what we are doing is geared towards making us a safer community. Who doesn't want to know that?
So what did I do about it? I joined several local Facebook pages. I began having coffee with the chief. I hosted a citizen academy. I write for a column called Chief's Corner in the online magazine called The Hub. I also made a point of being out in the community. I walked to lunch, met people in the park and made a point of being a resource for our community.
At the same time I was building a relationship with the community, I was setting an example and developing competency for our deputies, building morale, stating expectations and setting the tone for the deputies in the Ohio Valley. For the morale building, I took ownership of our station. I have several projects in the works that were designed to be practical and also give the deputies a feeling of enjoyment in working at the station that is well-maintained and cared for.
One of the station projects was redoing the landscaping of the station. The Ojai Valley is in a perpetual drought, and I did not want to waste water on watering grass. A local designer, Paul Hendershot donated his time and skill to design a drought tolerant butterfly sanctuary police station. The drawing is complete, the crews are ready to work. Now I'm just working on donations for the plant material so that we can complete the project.
The other project was painting the inside of the station with brighter colors and properly displaying the trophies that we have for our police explorer post as well as the deputies of the year When I sought a place for the trophies, I had a floating shelf that I installed to place the trophies on. However, the wall behind the trophies was missing something. It needed a picture, a map, a painting or better yet, a mural.
One thing I'm quite confident about is my lack of artistic ability. However, I am fully aware that Ojai is filled with many people with artistic talents. I reached out to a local resident and friend, Liz Rose. I have made since getting to Ojai and asked her if she knew anybody interested in painting a mural on the wall inside the police station. I explained to Elizabeth that I did not have a budget for a painter but would pay for the paint out of my own pocket. Lo and behold, she found me a painter. Enter Aubrey Larson.
Aubrey is 12 years old now. She was 11 when she started the project at the station. Aubrey did not know what to make of this opportunity to paint at a police station nor what we were actually alike yet day after day little at a time she showed up to work on her project We all got to watch this art come to life as she added her attitude every day. Her dad Jordan, mom Leah and brother Ethan would come to the station to watch her paint as well.
What I didn't know at the time was that Ethan also wanted to become a police officer someday. This turned out to be a great opportunity for him too seeing what we were like and when he turned 14 which he is now joined our Police Explorer post In December when Aubrey finished her painting, and it was more than I could ever hope for. It is a reflection of what she and I see in the Ojai Valley. It is so beautiful that I decided not to put the shelf and trophies in front of it.
However, it adds to the uniqueness that is Ojai. The fact that we have a local artist with a signature piece at the Ojai station. I can't think of anything more Ojai than that. After Aubrey completed her painting, her dad Jordan reached out to me and asked if I could call him. When I had a few minutes he said no rush. I called him back and we had a great conversation. He shared with some things that make the story even more compelling.
He says I wanted to wait until Aubrey was done so that you guys wouldn't treat her differently. He proceeded to tell me that Aubrey was born with a significant stomach deformity that caused severe acid reflux. The reflux was so bad that she refused to eat and began failing to thrive. Aubrey underwent surgery, trying different things to minimize the reflux. However there had not been a good solution. A couple years ago Aubrey was admitted to Children's Hospital 14 different times for a minimum of two weeks each. It was there during these long visits that she being stuck in the hospital where she developed her passion for art and painting and it was only thing she could do from her hospital bed So Jordan then asked me if I had seen her come to the station with a little backpack.
I mentioned my girls have similar backpacks, they carry around all their belongings in it and he told me that the backpack is Aubrey's TPN, a way for her to get her necessary nutrients. All of a sudden it made sense why she wouldn't eat the food we kept offering her because she has to be very careful about what she eats. So I told him how grateful that I was that he allowed Aubrey to share her talents and passion with us at the police station There is something special about having a mural painted by a 12-year-old local girl at the police station that helps draw a connection between the community and their police force. Even a greater accomplishment that her brother is now an explorer in pursuing his dreams in law enforcement.
After talking with Jordan, a sense of reassurance that we are actually normal people Jordan told me that he always saw us driving around and looked very serious and unapproachable, yet inside the station he got to see a very different side of us. The human side. The side that's familiar such as a brother or sister son or daughter dad and mom because we are. We're all of those things our family got a little bit bigger this year we gained a new family one that's left a mark on this police department and certainly this chief So for Aubrey, I asked the city to prepare a proclamation which they have here and it's suitable for framing.
And it says, whereas Ojai Police Chief James Fryaf wished to have mural painted in the lobby of the Ojai Station. And he was put in touch with a young artist, Aubrey Larson and whereas Aubrey was only 11 years old when she started the painting project and 12 years old when she finished it working on it in her free time. And whereas as Aubrey's murals slowly began to take shape, it became apparent that this young painter had enormous talent not only painting on a typical Ojai scene but also capturing a sense of Ojai's artistic nature and natural beauty. And whereas during the time that Aubrey worked on her project, she got to know the police station staff and they got to know her forming a bond of mutual appreciation. And whereas the mural has a great significance to the staff at the Ohio Police Department it is not only in a daily reminder of their young friend Aubrey but also represents the connection the department has with the community it serves.
Now, therefore be it resolved that I the Mayor Johnny Johnson do hereby commend Aubrey Larson for creating Pink Moment Beauty a work of art that will be admired by Ojai residents and police staff for generations to come signed this 14th day of January 2020. And so then before I forget I need to give a shout out because there are family members watching from home so I wrote down their names here Paul and Wanda Brakeville watching at home.
Your granddaughter did beautiful work for us, thank you very much. And so for my part I had a picture our local photographer from the Sheriff's Office came up and took pictures of Aubrey and I and the completed work And I framed this for Aubrey to have. And then also, for the paint and for her time out of my own pocket is a little stipend for her to enjoy maybe a little something, maybe buy some more painting supplies and continue her passion for art. And I have a clicker here to show you the artwork so...
I know it's going to go the wrong way every time there's her and Brian and I. There's the mural.
Oh, I love it!
Beautiful Like I said, it's absolutely stunning and I can't think of a better representation for the Ojai Valley and for our police department representing this community. So thank you Aubrey, I appreciate it. Beautiful.
Can I say something? No,
I'm
not going to go anywhere.
Yeah don't go too far okay and I would like to introduce the sheriff of Ventura County Sheriff Aruba
Good morning Mayor John, or excuse me good evening.
Oh it'll be morning before we get
out of here. It's been a long day. Yeah. Good evening mayor members of the council city staff members of the public I'm Bill Ayoub
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sheriff of Ventura County and and uh i'm the guilty one i'm taking Jim Fryhoff from you yeah I know the connection Jim has formed with this council, with the community. I've seen it before in other places where he worked. He's done an excellent job everywhere he goes. I know he did an excellent job here. You heard from him in his own words how important it is to him to build that relationship with the community, to mentor the young deputies that he sets an example for. To work on creative ways to keep crime low in this valley and he just gives of himself. And that's an expectation he has wherever he goes. That's something I need at a higher level within the agency and I think you can appreciate and understand that. But that's also an expectation that I have for someone who fills that role.
And that's something you're going to get with Jim's successor, he's here this evening, Captain Jose Rivera. He's a 29-year member of the Ventura County Sheriff's Office. He is a very gifted investigator, he's worked in fact we worked side by side in major crimes working homicides and some of the most serious crimes this county sees countywide. He's been a narcotics investigator, he has worked patrol, he has worked on our jail system He's an outstanding human being and that's what I wanted to speak to this evening. His resume really speaks for itself, but he has got the same substance that James Fryhoff has. He is going to be committed to this community. He is going to give of himself and bring his heart to the job.
And you will see that in the results that will play out in the community. He's gonna continue the great work that Jim has done for you over the last few years. And so it's my pleasure to introduce Jose this evening. A little bit more about him, he's a Camarillo resident married to his wife Laura they have their five children and like I said they live together in Camarillo and he is absolutely thrilled to be here And it's my pleasure to introduce him to you this evening. I have a photo for the screen here, just... Oh wait!
We didn't see that picture. This is Jose. Welcome!
Thank you very much for the welcome. I feel very fortunate to be here, to be in this position. I look forward to working with everyone here especially the community and continuing the tradition that Commander Fryhoff has place in this community. Again, I feel very fortunate to be here. A little bit on my personal side, I know the Sheriff touched my wife Laura and my five children you'll probably see them running around here shortly. My four-year-old, I have a four year old and a two year old.
You'll see the four-year-old running around here he's aching to come up here and check out dad's new office and look at the station and so I look forward to it and I'll be short. I know you guys are busy and we have a full agenda for tonight, but I Look forward to working with everybody the community Council members mayor Thank you very much for the opportunity and I look forward to seeing you guys in the future here. Thank you very much
Welcome, Captain, for allowing me to report to you as chief. Thank you very much, sir. And we're delighted not only have you as James' successor but he couldn't have been more flattering of a candidate I have to admit that and we take his opinion, we value it highly so we're sure we're going to value you highly. Well thank you very much. And Sheriff, thank you for taking the time to come in and introduce him. Thank you. Okay, so now if Mr., Mr., Commander, this is the happy part.
Nobody's more deserving of the promotion but yeah and we were all in your corner but we knew that when the day came that you got the promotion we'd be losing you a thousand oaks gain and for the benefit of the public Jay, you started out working here in the Valley many years ago did you not?
I did. Ojai was my first patrol station which is why it's always had a really special place for me right? I was assigned here from 1994 to 98 and patrol and then I was at the old Honor Farm for those that remember the Honor Farm on Baldwin for two years so I spent six years early on in my career after my stay in jail three-and-a-half years are for my first time through so that I got here in 1994 and I just loved it With the exception of one really, really bad day.
It was a wonderful time here and so I looked forward to coming back and having another wonderful time here absent the one bad day and I was able to do it. So very fortunate to have had the opportunity to be chief here. And I think I've said before that kind of the two bucket list items I've had in my 29 years was being the Chief of Police in Ojai and the Chief of Police in Thousand Oaks. And blessed to have been able to do both.
Let me tell the audience both here and at home a little bit more about you, if you don't mind. There's a lot of stuff here and the sheriff covered some of it but Commander Fryhoff has spent 29 years with the department
So, Jose and I are academy classmates. I've known Jose for 29 years. It
was a very good year. Produced a lot of quality people. He started in 1990. Was a patrol officer as he said here in Ojai. He...I hope that you don't mind me mentioning the very bad day? The very bad day if you go by the station here, you'll see what looks like a kind of a street corner sign with the name of Gary on it and usually with a blue ribbon tied around it.
And as a young man Patrolman Sheriff Aguirre lost his life here in the Ojai Valley. But in that altercation that led to his death, Jim wasn't the partner but he was on duty and he responded and I don't know how many shots were fired At this gentleman on behalf of the community to make it safe, but he didn't kill the suspect. But he took him down with a shot and that person is on death row right now although I don't know that he's subject to that. I think it's lifetime in prison.
Yeah, I
think the governor has taken the death penalty off but he still on death row. Right? He'll be there
So that's a life-altering thing for a lot of people, but for a law enforcement officer, that's huge. And for Jim to come back to the Valley and have such a love in his heart for everybody—and my understanding was when you arrived, you went back to that scene and by coincidence There was a 22-year-old young man who was two years old at the time of this very bad day.
And that young man said he was there when that happened, and today I believe he is... Is he a graduate of the academy? He's a deputy sheriff working out at the Todd Road facility. As we say in Ohio, that two and three degrees of separation everybody crosses everybody's path but I want to thank you Jim for what you've done for us in the past but even more so for what you have done for the department, the community with your commitment to this idea of community involvement walking to lunch every day making yourself accessible to the public When this started, you and I both kind of came on about the same time. And every night wasn't as pleasant as tonight. We were having a lot of difficulties where, I don't know whether it would be miscommunication or bad information, fake news on the social media reporting things that were going on that made the department sound like they were some sort of jackbooted, don't care about the citizens.
And that was not true, but this gentleman came in and took it to heart. And immediately he didn't just say well we're the good guys you know just trust us. He got involved with a community to where many of the critics to start with are the biggest supporters and were really sad and called my office saying how do you let this guy go? I said if you really love him you want him to get his promotion and to get your promotion you get your ticket punched you move on but who knows he may come back.
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see, what else do I have? He received the Medal of Valor. He was the Deputy of the Year twice in his career. He has a master's degree. He teaches criminal justice. He really gives back both to his profession and the community and we were blessed to have you for the last three years. So, and during the Thomas fire with you and Shane taking us into harm's way a little bit but we were safe. But it was a pretty hazardous week or two that we had. And one of the remarkable things for this town is that people from all over the world knew about that fire. At the time it was historically unfortunately we've had people who sort of outdone us in terms of size But if you ever look at a map, they refer to us as the hole in the donut. But the fire was all around us, half the town at least was evacuated.
Then we had the concerns about looting. We didn't lose a structure, we didn't lose a life and there were virtually people's homes were safe because we went what from five officers to 55 taking care of the town while the fire guys did their job and they came from all over the country too. We're very fortunate. I have a couple of things I want to give you, or present you with.
And I'm going to show the pictures that we blasted by as I sent these to Gail. So on my first day here did two things one. I went to 122 North Encino where the shooting occurred made peace with the house stood outside. I was talking to Shane about how it all happened kind of pointed at the tree that saved my life. I was shot at 17 times like I was armed with 2 handguns and a giant oak tree saved my life so So, this picture was taken my first day off of training in 1994 at the church at Church and Kuyama.
And so on my first day I went back and did a recreation of it. First day as chief, Church and Cuyama.
Not a day
older.
We might landmark that.
Okay, let's see what we have here. First we have a proclamation and I won't read all through it because I think between the sheriff you and me Can everybody hear me out there? For the recording yes, hello. Okay, we're on the air We have a gift. Oh here it is I Don't know how we're gonna do this I'll walk over here with you and allow you to And what we have here is one of the flags that flew during the Thomas fire where this gentleman was keeping us all safe Okay, so they probably don't do this at the academy but let me give you a hug.
We're not from France I won't kiss you on each cheek. Yeah, live long and prosper. Godspeed to Thousand Oaks and tell them we'll hold it against them. Okay. Thanks. Okay, and if Jose behaves himself look what's where you get I'll give you a hug okay? Here is your certificate. A certificate of authenticity of the flag.
Thank you very much. Well once again thank you guys very much I appreciate it as you know, I loved my time in the valley. It's amazing how many people thought when I got transferred to Thousand Oaks that they're like are you moving your family and I said well I go no I don't live in Ojai because of my involvement there was a lot of people that thought that I lived here actually was Commuting from the east end of Simi Valley. So I was spending three hours a day on the road coming to and from My drive just got a whole lot shorter Thank you very much as all it's a lot of time back in my life But I use the time wisely, I made a lot of phone calls You know anybody that had called during the day they want to talk I would I had an hour and a half To give them on my drive home so I didn't but I didn't call people at 6 in the morning on my driving anything anybody be that receptive to it
Right in the marathon sessions of the city council that ran till midnight then you had another hour to
get home about 1.30 in the morning, and then the household still gets up because I have two teenage girls and the house is up at five in the morning so it was rough. I told him I told Jose that the meetings have not gone too long recently I know James has done really well at trying Keep the tasks on point, making sure that all the details are done. The staff has done a great job of making sure that what you're getting is ready to go so I'm confident that you won't have to violate your 1030 rule.
Thank you all. I appreciate it so much.
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Okay let's get back here on the agenda and public communications is now
You can escape if you want. You don't
have to, though. Yeah, anybody who came mostly for the presentations is... Shifting gears! We're shifting gears. Nobody's offended. Thank you. I'm
just jealous
we're not
offended.
Here are the public comment cards.
Okay, we've got a batch of them and we have a closed session at 930. So I'm going to ask everybody to keep it to two minutes but if you have to go over a little bit longer that will... And I'm gonna call on Laura Ward come on up. And Jeffrey Starkweather, you are on deck. We have a little chair up front but it looks like you won't have to take too long to get up here so remain seated.
Thank you. I'm Laura Ward, I am the publisher of the Ojai Valley News and resident in the city. Mayor Matt Levere and the rest of the Ventura Council decided to sue each and every property owner in the Ojai Valley en masse. This despite the fact they had entered into an agreement with a channel keeper. They claim this pain is needed so they don't get sued again. Our community has been attacked by our neighbors And Mayor LeVere is planning to be elected as the Ventura Supervisor to represent the Ojai Valley. He plans to serve us while he helps Ventura to our water, our rights to our water and the money to pay Ventura's $3 million in legal fees along with our own.
I urge the Ventuara City residents to recall Matt LeVere and every member of their council for financial recklessness and inability to lead. The Ojai Valley has reduced its water usage More than 50% since 1989 and is currently conserving water as if we were at a stage 5 drought. Ventura continues to grow, issuing ever more water permits and now making a grab for their neighbors' water.
Mayor LeVere told me he had not read the lawsuit and that he let the city attorney and attorneys in Walnut Creek make this decision for him. The lawyers in Walnut Creek do not care about our friendship with Ventura or if our cities go bankrupt in paying them, or even if we have water. These lawyers are holding three meetings beginning January 30th to explain it to us how they want this to go and we need to be there and be ready.
I'm asking the Ojai Valley to come together now, to stand up for our rights, to work together, to fight Ventura and this adjudication. Here is what you can do now. Demand the Ventura City Council put on their big girl pants and dismiss the case. Call them, email them, urge your Ventura friends to recall them. Talk about and go to the town hall meeting Your Water, Your Voice Tuesday January 21st at the Boyd Center in Sarasota Park. The Ojai Valley News is hosting this event with an expert panel to explain the situation offer advice and answer your questions The City of Ojai needs to act to intervene on our behalf legally. Please take this up.
Casitas Water needs to act on our behalf of the rate payers, legally. Five, subscribe to the Ojai Valley News. Start following the Ojai Valley News on our site and social media. We will keep you informed all the way to the convoy to the Los Angeles courthouse on June 1st. Come with us.
And the time and place,
date for your meeting? Oh it's 530 January 21st. That's Tuesday at 530 Sarasota Park Boyd Center. We've got about six panelists you can fill out a question they'll talk we'll learn. We're
going to live stream it too. Thank you.
Okay there again.
We'll live stream it.
Okay it will be live streamed for those of you at home or those who want
to stay at home.
It might
be on Facebook. We are working our way off Facebook but... Video
archived yeah.
It's an important issue that needs everybody to be as educated as possible. Okay, we got Jeffrey Starkweather is up and Dr. Neal you are on deck.
I'm basically going to echo her comments but I do want to point out that Bill and Randy and I were at the Democratic Club meeting in Ventura and Mr. LeVere who is the mayor and is a lawyer and does all kinds of complicated real estate and agricultural law, claimed he didn't know enough about the ecology and the science of it to have an opinion. And he didn't know enough about that area of law which I found as a lawyer to be astonishing.
If you're elected and you're suing somebody it's your job, all of your jobs, to know what you're doing. Secondly if you're running for office wanting to represent us You should be able to explain it. What's going on? I would say two other interesting things, one they have a contract with this law firm for $1.8 million and the other thing I thought is really bizarre is one of their people they're suing is the Casitas Water System and of course who does the Casitas Water System serve as a customer? Their largest customer is the city of Ventura So it's kind of bizarre, they're actually like suing themselves.
So I do think we need to stand up for this. I would love if somebody would file as a writing candidate to give Mr. LeVere at least a protest and of course if he goes in there and doesn't represent us, we can always recall him but I think he needs to feel the pressure that Ojai is really upset about this And I also, while I'm here, I'm the Vice President of the Democratic Club of Ojai Valley.
We have on January 27th at 630 I think and our meetings are right here. We're going to have Steve Bennett who's going to talk to us. Of course he's running for the Assembly but we're going to have Ben Pettery Who is the channel keeper policy expert? Jeffrey,
I'm going to have to ask you. I've got a bunch of cards here.
Okay, yeah it's fine. Anyway he ... I've talked to him and he is a really good source of explaining about their lawsuit and the fact that they The City of Ventura did not need to sue us. They could have resolved this thing between the two parties. Date,
time and place for that meeting?
That is 630 at the Kent Hall which is right over here. Day? On January 27th. At Help of Ojai. Help of Ojai. Yes. So Steve Bennett's going to speak for a half hour and be asked questions and then he's gonna speak for an hour-and-a-half and people can ask some questions. Thank you. I think you get a lot of information from him. Okay thank you.
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Dr.
Dre and Alexia Park, you're on deck
Hi So as all of you know and have taken action on we have ten years to make drastic change On our habits to be resilient against climate change One of those things is actually being resilient with our resources We cannot afford to lose water as a resource That's what's going to happen if we lay down and let the city of Ventura take our water rights. What adjudication means for our community is drastic impact on our economy, housing prices are all of our expenses in our houses will drop in value and it also means that our agriculture and our development will be managed and owned by unsubstantiated growth in the city of Ventura So when we think about water, it's not just the water we drink which is incredibly important.
It what makes our community and our economic growth and makes everything happen here. And beyond that when we think about our water resources in our agricultural zones, the wetting zones of our agricultural Production zones are so important for fire resiliency. If we don't have water, we can't fight fire. If we don't have water, we can't produce agriculture. If you don't have water, we can't grow with economic strength. If you don't rights to our water, we don' t have the ability to make our choices and to grow as we want to as a community.
So I urge you to be very active in this issue. It's not one that we can sit back and let it happen because it's a long fight, but it's one that's really important for us all in the long term. So thank
you. Thank you. Okay. Alexia, you're up and Megan Edwards, you're on deck.
Right. Actually, can I reverse the order? Let Megan just speak first.
Okay. That's fine. Okay, two minutes and two minutes.
Good evening Mayor Johnson and council members. Thank you for this opportunity I represent Zip Health and my colleague is here of course Alexia Parks. I'm going to nudge us into some positive and good news, and what this has to do with is a newly signed in bill Assembly Bill 377 377 is described as micro enterprise home kitchen operations. And we are working within this bill and working within the Ojai Valley to bring it forward in this unique circumstance, in ideal conditions.
The law focuses on creating new jobs for women, immigrants, people of color and represents both workforce development and health improvement opportunities. It connects people who love to cook healthy delicious home cooked meals with neighbors who want to eat better food. Among them busy two income families, millennials and seniors attempting to maintain their health while aging in place and avoiding isolation.
Zip Health will be using the micro kitchen blueprint that is already in operation in Riverside and moving forward, which includes all their forms and all our eventual forms and statutory guidelines. They'll all be present. As mayor and council members would you not agree that you have an enduring passion to foster cohesive healthy strong and resilient communities?
What Zip Health will be doing is supporting that aim by helping people to make a viable living wage, to contribute to their wage in this very valley. Thank you very much.
Could you state again your name and the... I couldn't catch the organization or what that word was. Micro Kitchen Zip Health?
My name is Megan, not that Megan, another one. And it's Megan Edwards and the bill is 377 and it is micro enterprise home kitchen operation or what you may see referred to as MECO.
Okay I get it. Thank
you.
Thank you very much.
Okay Alexia you're up and Robert Duffy you're on deck
Great, thank you again and it's great to be here. My first presentation to the council and to you all. This is our third presentation today. We were down at the Ventura Board of Supervisors or the board this morning where they actually had a change of the chair to a woman named Linda Parks so I had to say Alexia Parks is my name but I'm no relation. And when we describe this opportunity, which is the AB 377, it is now a state law.
It's now applicable and we are taking advantage of it to bring living wage as Megan said to the Ojai Valley because this will be our first area to launch the project and extend then down into the rest of the Ventura area The California micro enterprise home kitchen bill, which may be new to many of you because it is just was signed into law as urgent and marked urgent in October October 7th.
Signed by the governor and approved is for cities and counties to support and that's the urgent nature but It's a bill, it's in law. Riverside County has been the first county to open their doors to it. It was led by Mr. Garcia not the same but a different Garcia representative assembly member who now created all the blueprint that we are following. So I will say it represents both an economic development and a workforce program and a healthcare opportunity. Who do we serve? People love to cook people want to make consistent income as she mentioned And residents of Ojai Valley who are seeking the delicious, healthy home-cooked meals that include locally sourced produce and an inflammatory meal for those who need that anti-inflammatory meal will be training them on that.
And we'll be training them to go through the process of licensing and all the hoops that they need to do to make it easier for that. Some of those we serve will include socially isolated individuals including seniors who want to age in place. And seniors particularly are at risk of things like leaving the gas on while they're cooking Thank you. Robert, you're up?
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And my buddy Jack Weber is in the audience. You're next.
Hello, everyone. My name's Robert Duffy. I've lived in Ojai for about 15 years now. I grew up in Carpentaria in 1981 and graduated Carpine 90. My wife and I moved here over to Miner's Oaks. And recently, about four years ago, we moved to the corner of Andrew Drive and North Montgomery, a great little neighborhood, lots of great residents there. It's come to my attention recently in the last couple days that there was a proposal for an easement at the top of Daley 1440 daily For public access to potentially the trail shelf trail I'm here today because it's a concern for me and many of my neighbors that have been on a group text talking about this Because of the tourism that I've seen increase. I grew up in Carp and I spent summers back east in the Hamptons with congestion and stuff.
I lived up in Goleta 1990 before the Elwood Shores expansion and all that. I've seen quite a bit, even in Marin when I lived in Petaluma and San Rafael and Larkspur. I've seen quite a bit of success in tourism and success in expansion. So I've seen a lot here. I've met a lot of great families, third generation families here. I have a great quantity of friends that are from here. My concern is the vision, and I would like to know and understand the vision of this planning commission in the city for trail access How it impacts neighborhoods.
What happened to Signal seems, when I saw the Fox and Lucy trails open, I saw a tremendous amount of impact from the traffic there. I used to go there a lot. I felt really bad for their neighbors. It sounds like it's on the slate to have that same thing happen to Daly Where we'll have a huge influx of tourism for people coming to the area wanting to go Enjoy the outdoors at the expense of potentially the neighbors So I'm here in opposition for that wanted, you know again bringing it to the attention And I heard earlier when I was here about stakeholders. I'm a stakeholder, you know, I'm in the computer industry. I know about stakeholders and I do feel it's important in getting that information. It's difficult to parse through. It's difficult for people to understand the easements and plans and permits and all this kind of stuff.
And also to have a voice saying we don't want to have increased traffic into our neighborhood from strangers and outside influence.
That'll be on the agenda tomorrow night at the Planning Commission. I would highly recommend you be there and express your Concerns, and yeah There's still plenty of opportunity for public input And before and it also could then come to the car will come to the council at some point I suppose
I also think you can contact the planning director and you can actually call the city manager And get some insight as to their vision of what?
Because because it's concerning in the sense of what are that like, I think of children there's a lot of children in daily What other child density what are the rules and regulations? What are the data that's been collected by the city? What are the The guidelines for, let's say you introduce that. Where can someone like me understand what that implies? It starts with Planning Commission. Yeah
okay. And there will be a couple, it'll be several opportunities and it is a good idea if you have the time talk with the staff in the planning department they can give you a little insight to what may or may not happen. It's still a choice. Thank you. Jack come on down. Okay. And Sabrina you're on deck.
I'm going to Planning Commission tomorrow night. Good evening. So I just want to begin with expressing my gratitude and humility for being here for that really beautiful ceremony with Officer Fryhoff, and is it Mr. Rivera? Yes sir. Yeah coming in and I was super super touched by that and I really felt your heart come through and all that and your appreciation for him Brought up my feelings of how rich and beautiful it is to be here in Ojai, and to be with this kind of a community. And with the young lady here and all the suffering that she went through, and how she just dedicated herself to making this incredible mural.
So I just want to bring back a little bit of that love that we started this whole evening with. And it segues nicely into my next topic, which is the topic I've been speaking about here for a long time and A beautiful way to talk about climate change and climate emergency in light of the beautiful life that we have, the incredible privilege we have to be here. And the amazing things that people do and the way people step out beyond their capacity and serve others and do things for others. In my little relatively short time here in the Valley, that's what I've experienced here and that's why I'm still here because it's an absolutely beautiful place with amazing people.
And on that note, it's like when you hold that beauty in one hand and you look at what's happening to the world in the other hand. Don't we just want to do everything that we can to make a difference? I still fall back on this platform that Ojai has this amazing potential for how small we are, and for the beauty in the community that we have here to step out outside the box and really lead the way. And that's what I really hope that we can do here, and to have more moments like this so that fuels our hearts, and it fuels our love, and it fuels our care to really step out and be world leaders.
Thank you, Jack. Appreciate it. Sabrina, you're up? And Nancy Pearson. I can't read all the rest of it, but Nancy you're on deck.
Hi everybody, Sabrina Venskus. And I probably a lot of you know that I'm an environmental and land use attorney. I have an office here in Ojai. I practice all around the state of California. Hi Ryan good to see you on the council. So I'm here to let you know that Senator Scott Weiner of the Bay Area is back at it. He's introduced SB 50. I don't know if you're very familiar with it. I'll just give you a couple talking points SB 50 is the bill that would basically upzone every parcel, except in high fire hazard areas to four units. So basically remove single family zoning across the state of California.
It's actually we beat it back last year. It's come back and it's worse this year. I don't know if there's a strategy for that so that Mr. Wiener Allies can You know come to middle ground on some of the terms But I did want to let you know that it's currently scheduled to be heard in Appropriations Committee on January 24th. I want to highly encourage the City Council here to pass a resolution Opposing it their cities all over the state that are opposing it It's another one-size-fits-all approach To dealing with our affordable housing crisis In fact, it does not require even one unit of affordable housing in projects that are 10 units or less.
And it also will, what I'm very concerned about is it gives developers the right to sue a city if it does not expedite and approve a development project that meets the criteria Like I said, you can actually go on to livablecalifornia.org and you can actually put in the city of Ojai and see where this removal single family zoning will apply in the city of Ojai. It's almost the entire city of Ojai except in high fire hazard areas that's like sort of upper Ojai and up here on Signal and so on and so forth. I'm just a couple more points and then I'm going to give you a handout.
It provides that the all city. I'm sorry let me get to this point, all city. So it would allow developers to control up to six areas of city and community planning, including but not limited to setbacks so the developers could limit cities requirement for trees, green belts and side yards. It gives developers an override of city size restrictions adding 47% to 297% of building sizes. It allows developers direct erect big apartment complexes with no parking overriding city rules It allows developers to override city standards, including design sustainability and safety that aren't already state law. It also allows developers to overwrite courtyards and balconies. And then also I think most disconcerting or a big problem I think is that it allows developers to override protection of homes not on the California Registry of Historic Resources.
And this is a big concern statewide for a lot of cities that have historic overlay zones and designate their own buildings as historic or other areas of the city. So I highly encourage the city to, again, pass a resolution formally opposing this really horrible bill that doesn't even provide for significant affordable housing in exchange for giving developers by right to override zoning. Thank
you. Do we know what the final SP 50 is going to look like yet? Because it's got to come out of House of Origin, right? That's in the state legislature by the end of that date you're saying. Is it still getting batted around do we know what the final version is
I'll send you what it is right now. It's a markup and it's an absolute nightmare, and it's really very confusing but I can send you the bill. I'll email it to everybody and then also an analysis that really gets into the weeds if that's what you're interested in. Well it
doesn't hurt to provide it but we are briefed by SCAG, VCOG You know, there's a number of other boards are on that. We're dealing with this all the time But this particular bill is in we're gonna have a vacuum of time before we when it comes out of the house of origin under its timeline We may not know what the final is before We have to move so anything you could provide us would be
I will and it goes to Appropriations Committee on January 24th So we're trying to get rid of it at appropriations. I have this handout. I'm going to provide to you I'd like everyone to have it It's uh, it's information on this Claim about the shortage that California has a 3.5 million homes it explains why that's not an accurate Number and so I thought maybe it would be educational for you.
Okay, thank you. Thanks. Okay, Nancy Pearson You're you're up with Ron Solorzano our librarian on deck
Hi, I'm Nancy Pierce and I live at 1449 North Montgomery Street And I'm here with my neighbor Michelle Ehrlich And we are here again to address the same issue that Mr. Duffy addressed It is to do with the easement which has been attached to a design review permit That's coming up for tomorrow for review at the Planning Commission Yes, we know that but I'm speaking to you tonight as our elected representatives and the people who actually run Ojai I am hoping that somehow you guys can go and talk to the staff and remove the condition For the approval of that permit It was never addressed procedurally correctly. We never got any notice of it. I live, would be at 50 feet from the trailhead and I never received notice of this and it was never addressed in the design or the concept review in June and I did come in and speak with the staff.
I came in and spoke with him and he said they didn't even think about this until like two weeks ago and then decide to put it in as a condition That's inappropriate, completely inappropriate because it is such a huge concern for my neighborhood. We have a cute little neighborhood up there. There are kids that are elementary age and they're running back and forth to the neighbors. They're all good friends. My son has his best friends with the Ehrlichs and the inmans across the street and we are right at the terminus of Daly Road. and North Montgomery. The easement that they're discussing as a condition of the approval will be attached to a single lane road and go straight up to signal, up to the shelf road. It's completely inappropriate and I was told well we don't know it's not really going to happen but it is a cloud on my title because I don't know when they're going to bring it up because I didn't get notice of these in the first place So once an easement is granted, we all know how difficult it is legally and monetarily to remove that and to abandon that easement.
Once it's there, it's there for good. And I'm just saying, remove that condition, let these people go and get their permit to build their two-story house and not put the rest of our neighborhood in jeopardy. Thank
you. Thank you. Ron, you're up. And Ann Inman, you're next on deck.
All right. Thank you so much members of council I am Ron Solorzano the regional librarian for the Ojai Valley, and I just wanted to run through a few of the things that we have going on at the library this month and next month. To start, we have a gentleman Paul Jenkin who's going to be coming to the Ojai Library tomorrow that's January 15. Mr. Jenkin is the Ventura Campaign Coordinator for the Surfrider Foundation, and he's going to be presenting a lecture titled Community Resilience in the Face of a Changing Climate. So that's gonna be at 6 p.m. tomorrow at the library.
Later on this Saturday we're gonna have an author Rick Tuber who's gonna be coming to the library to read from his work and also deliver talk on film editing, writing, and what he calls noir-medie which is a combination of the noir genre and comedy Later on in the month, Thursday January 30th we're going to have Opera Santa Barbara coming back to the library for a noontime concert. So that's going to be a lot of fun those are always a good time and then on February 1st we're going to be hosting retired park ranger Carol Peterson who is going to come to the library to deliver a talk on Island of the Blue Dolphins and specifically the true story that inspired that book It's going to be a presentation for young readers and their families, and it's going to highlight some of what the Channel Islands Park Service has on their website relating to this story.
So it should be a lot of fun. The last thing I wanted to mention is that in the last couple of weeks we started up at the Ojai Library a new teen advisory committee. This is a group that is designed to develop leadership skills and offer service opportunities for teens in the valley. We're talking local junior high and high school students The group's open to all teens and is going to be meeting monthly at the library. Dates are still a little bit up in the air, so anyone who's interested can contact the Ojai Library's Youth Librarian which is Courtney Lerner at the Ojai Library just by calling the main number or you can always reach out to me with any questions. That's all I have thank you so much.
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Thank You Ron, appreciate it. And you're up!
My name is Ann Inman and I live at 1450 North Montgomery Street, which is right where Daly and Montgomery meet So I'm here also to speak Nancy shared a lot of my concerns but to speak about the proposed trail access there which Would have a huge impact on us because the when daily becomes a one-lane road that goes along the whole border of our property And then in addition to that, you know where assumably people would park would be all the front of our property.
I Understand the concept that perhaps when you have a building project that has some negative aspects to it which I think some people would argue this project does that maybe the The builder would be asked to then offer something That would benefit the community and exchange You know in this case perhaps the idea being that it would be a benefit to the community to have an additional Access for shelf road. I know there have been a lot of crowding issues that signal and that sort of thing But what is difficult for me to stomach is this?
Though the community as a whole perhaps Could benefit from this the immediate neighborhood the immediate communities being asked really to shoulder Two negative impacts one the building on the hillside there that has some issues Which I won't get into tonight because we'll see the Planning Commission tomorrow But in addition to that also all of the negative impacts of the crowding of a trail with none of the benefits So it seems an unfair burden to ask the immediate neighborhood To bear that and I understand there are some issues at Signal and Gridley. I would Encourage the city to try to work in those areas to solve some of those issues to create some additional parking To resolve those rather than adding another neighborhood with a whole set Of additional problems with crowding.
So I appreciate your consideration
Thank you Okay, that concludes the public comment period and we will now move to the consent calendar.
Mayor I would like to pull F and H and only H if there's a climate commission committee member that would like to speak on it. If not, we can let that go but if there's a... I don't know if he heard you. You mean F right? Yes, F. I'm sorry did I say F?
Yeah well you said H but if there's... Oh I'm
sorry
yeah
I'm sorry see I just
say
Climate Emergency Mobilization which is F I did pull that and then I wanted to pull H too
Okay. Are there any other items to be pulled? If not, do I have a motion to approve the balance of the consent calendar? So moved. Okay moves. Any second? I'll
second.
Okay if there's no objections so ordered. Okay you pulled F?
Yeah I pulled that first and it's only to allow if there's anyone from the Climate Committee that would like to speak. I just wanted to give them the opportunity if not.
Okay is there anyone? Dr.
Coleman.
Well, there's no need to speak. I'm giving you the opportunity if you'd like to speak. Michelle Allison was going to be here but she has the stomach bug and so I said that I would be here for this agenda item in the event there were any questions when it was pulled. Essentially, the announcement is that we have a public meeting on the 25th of this month. It's a Saturday. It'll start in the morning 9 o'clock. Everyone is invited. We'd like to have Two of the council members there, if at all possible. We can't have a third.
And it won't be a decision-making meeting. Well, then we'd like you all to be there. If at all possible. And the other item that is on that is going through the consent calendar is a request to the council to approve staff to work with Ryan, myself, Phil White and Lackey Tazopoulos who's our new air pollution control officer to talk about whether Memorandum of Understanding could be developed to establish a greenhouse gas inventory for Ojai.
I have a quick question on that. Yeah, I really support it. I would hope that we explore all possible grant funding opportunities since if we're going to do a pilot project there might be a grant out there to help pay for it.
Yeah and I think, I mean even at certainly at the state level there could be grants to do that because it's a good municipal example. I
just hope we would
apply. No I would hope so too. Okay thanks. Thanks Steve.
Can I add just the location is Nordoff High School cafeteria for the meeting on January 25th? Oh yeah. And it starts at 9? 9am and Saturday the 25th.
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I have a question. Do you need anything from us to accomplish what, any direction or motion?
Yes, we were requesting in the staff report direction to work with VCA PCD to develop a memorandum of understanding. And seek grant
money. And I so move.
Okay, moved and seconded to approve item number F with that direction. Any objection to the motion? If not, so ordered. Okay, we're now to H. Randy did you have something you wanted
So again, you know that this is the attendance issue facing all of the commissions. And we've had this discussion a number of times and so I'm not sure how we want to handle it. My preference would be that any commissioner that has three or more absences be notified that they have the three. Anyone that has more than three I'd like to kind of clarify what I'd like to see. Rather than use the word rescind, I think maybe we ought to think about maybe just having a motion or a policy and I don't even know if we
can take it up tonight where when you hit that number of vacancies, it's just declared vacant so that then that person can continue to serve until the mayor looks at applications and nominates either that same person again if they make the case or a replacement. That's what I'd like to see just as kind of an automatic procedure
So I like the idea that a person can apply again. Of course, right? Yeah,
of
course. That's
fair. We talked about this sometime in 2019 and we made some decisions on this and it's not really...I don't think it's included in here and I don't know how many absences there are after we said Clearly that we were sending a message that if it's going to exceed this amount moving forward, everybody all the commissioners are on notice and that we're going to be looking at it again. And this report doesn't give me enough information to be able to know after we said that what has happened? I know some of the absences when we discussed this before were kind of excused absences because they had various reasons And it's kind of really difficult from this to say, hey.
I thought we had set the policy. I thought we had made it really clear. I don't know whether that policy is being followed or not at this point so I can't make a determination.
May I suggest maybe in the interest of time tonight that we take this discussion as serving notice and that we move to continue the item to the next meeting where we can have more of a full discussion of it with that additional information?
I'm OK with that. So, James from when we had that meeting before since then and
maybe an
update from that
date? Find out what that policy is exactly that we did
research. Okay, so ordered and to consider that means H
is not receiving file right? Yeah. Continue the item for the next agenda. Okay,
we're on item number two. Mr. City Manager you'd like to introduce the topic? Yeah just a brief introduction
The city has previously prohibited internal combustion engine leaf blowers, gas leaf blowers in residential and VMU zones. Recently staff was directed to research additional potential internal combustion engine restrictions To do this, staff prepared a lengthy attachment which is included in the packet showing various tools and staff divided those tools into three categories. Regulate, consider and exempt.
The items in the regulate category are ones that we are recommending to regulate further at this time. The items in the consider category are ones that we thought council may want to discuss further But the three items that we recommend regulating due to the greatest impact and as well as the greatest availability of alternative options are leaf blowers, string trimmers and non-riding lawn mowers.
Those items all have readily available alternatives and battery packed alternatives. So the item, the ordinance that's brought before you regulates gas-powered leaf blower string trimmers and lawn mowers to further that. The item is written so that council could consider regulating other items and The one point that I wanted to reiterate, as we went battery powered with our equipment.
Just a little factoid is that one hour of operation of a commercial leaf blower emits enough smog to be comparable to driving a Toyota Camry 1100 miles and so we just think it's an important factor to consider.
Okay, questions of staff?
I'm a little perplexed on why hedge trimmer is not put in the same category as string trimmer and leaf blower. I've looked at numerous websites for this type of equipment And generally, the battery powered equipment is as readily available for hedge trimmer as string trimmer and leaf blower that I've seen in terms of websites. And most of the multi-tool setups include hedge trimmer, string trimmer, leaf blower. So I'm just really kind of confused why hedge trimmer wouldn't be in the same regulation category as string trimmer and leaf blower.
Yeah, hedge trimmer is one we wrestled with. We really debated it. We put it in the consider category for council to discuss further because we decided to focus on the three that had the biggest impact. So that's the only reason why it wasn't included in that group. I see. OK. So and by
impact you're saying the number of hours that the others right use regularly once a week Whereas hedge trimmers maybe twice a year exactly
exactly then purchasing
a new one for Randy Actually, I had the same thing edge trimmers pole hedge trimmers and pull saws all have battery operated readily available so I would include those in the regular and
Okay, well we wouldn't when we get there so
we'll add that to the motion if we reach them.
Okay Are there any other questions of staff? If not I will open the public hearing So the public hearing is now open and I have five cards here Wayne Maynard What Well, we can give
him three
Good evening good to see you Thank You Wayne Maynard I live on Gridley Road a resident of Ojai In reviewing the proposed language of the ordinance, I had a concern that the periods of operation is being deleted. The current regulation according to what I read out of the attachment B, there's a provision that says the operation of electric leaf blowers is permitted in residential zones provided the following conditions are met and it has hours of operation. And so I've just Want to make sure that that's intentionally being deleted and if, make sure the council, because I don't know how loud these things are but if you guys have experience with it. It's okay then.
Thank you. Okay thanks Wayne. Steve Kolbe. Dr. Kolbe come on down.
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Well, I'm speaking on behalf of the Climate Mobilization Committee which did provide a statement supporting the staff process. I think Council Member Haney was really one to kick this off at this point. Clearly with the Public Works Department's conversion and the fact that through that simple conversion we've eliminated 80 tons of pollutants into the Ojai Valley each and every year.
This is almost a no-brainer for its extension, and I think in terms of the alternate appliances that could also be regulated one thing the council could consider is reviewing this on an annual basis and adding implements that should be, could be regulated under this ordinance each year as they become more available. The only addition that the Climate Committee made to this is that in the past we've talked in terms of displacement volume and two- and four-stroke engines. The California Air Resources Board looks at it very simply as the power output of the equipment Using metric units, it's expressed as 19 kilowatt engines or less. That turns out to be about 25 horsepower. And the name that they give for this class of emission products are SORE, S-O-R-E, Small Off Road Engines.
So the committee supports the staff effort.
OK. Thank you.
Any
questions? No. I have another question on staff when the time comes. Sherry Ann Cade. You're up and go ahead.
Yeah. So I just realized that I have been living in Ojai for 32 years, and I think I've been coming to council meetings for 30 of those years. And most of the time it's what are you going to do about this? What are you going to do about that? So tonight it's different, and I'm just saying thank you. This council is showing that you are pretty enlightened. You have done some amazing things, declaring a climate emergency. Wow! And now we have this climate mobilization committee that's actually doing the nuts and bolts, we're getting something done.
It tells me that you're making policy based on science instead of somebody's ideology or some economic interests or whatever The word emergency means something to me. It's not like we have 20 or 30 years to do something. Back in the 70s it was, oh smoking is bad for you and so it was thank you for not smoking and we would just hope that everybody eventually would get the idea and stop smoking. Well just now 40 years later The death rate from lung cancer has dropped, it's taken 40 years. We don't have 40 years now, it's an emergency so my axe to grind again is about enforcement.
It's great for you to change the ordinances and put these things into effect But they have to be enforced. And I know it's expensive to have hired staff, full-time people. There are so many violations all the time with the ordinance that we have now. Instead of hiring full-time staff, there is an app that one of our members of our group, Citizens for Clean Air in Ojai gave to the former city manager.
And it is where, yes, it costs money but not as much as a full-time employee. And a citizen like me can go outside and take a picture with a time stamp of a violation, turn it into the Code Enforcement Department and that constitutes proof of a violation. Once this ordinance is passed I hope you will consider getting this app You know, even if it costs some money, it's not going to cost as much as a full-time code enforcement officer. So thank you very much for being on this. I really do appreciate it.
Thank you, Sherry Ann and yes on Measure C. Yes exactly. Then we would have money to do that for sure. Okay thank you Sherry Ann and Oh, is Dr. Neal still in the audience? I think she left. Oh, she left, okay. Okay, I don't have any more cards so I will close the public hearing and the council...
I had a residual question of staff, Mayor. Sure. I believe the effective date is a 90-day phase in and I assume you thought through that in terms of the time. Basically if we start this tonight then it would 30 days to another second reading Then if we adopted then in 30 days to adoption, and then it would be 90 days after that. So we're basically already talking about like 100 in I don't know how many days but anyway the point I'm trying to make is that I think you considered whether that's a long enough phase-in period in terms of impact?
We recommended a longer phase-in period than we were required to give because we wanted to give some time for the phase in. So that's the
90? Yes. Okay, okay. So that's what, you
know, total of five months from tonight roughly?
Roughly five months if we did first reading tonight.
Roughly, first reading is tonight. You could do second reading at your next meeting end of January and then it would take effect 90 days thereafter so that'd be February, March, April, end of April.
Okay. Other questions or comments?
Yeah, I just wanted to... Mary Ann's statement about enforcement I think is very important. I didn't see anything in here about registration and I didn't see anything about licensing and I believe that would help in the enforcement. is that as, if we require all landscape companies and maintenance companies to come in and get a license. I think at that point in time when we get that fee we can make a determination do we want to use that licensing money for some type of buyback or something else training or educational opportunities.
Two having them register their equipment also tells us that they've done it And I don't think it's going to take that much to have someone pull into our service yard and have one of the employees, one of our maintenance employees actually take a look at it. Give them a seal of approval and this goes back to if we do venture into that app. That when they have their license on their truck by the way if you're licensing in the state of California your mandatory to have your license on your vehicle So two, they comply to that.
Three it makes it easier if there is an issue that we have certified equipment that has a label we have a license on it and we can educate that individual as to what they need to improve what they're doing within our community so I think we need registration I think we need licensing and I'd like to see it part of this And I would
like to add, Mr. Pendry, Wayne's point is very clear too. We shouldn't be deleting time of operation for commercial use either.
Agreed. We actually think we agree with that. I think that was unintentionally omitted so we'll add that back in if council is
okay. Mayor one other comment too. I think what's important is if you take a look at other cities They always, when they create ordinances like this, they always exempt themselves. And one thing that we have to be proud of as a city is that we have not exempted ourselves. We're leading the way in this and again it's some small steps to reducing that carbon footprint but it's the right steps and it's in the right direction
Can I answer the question about the licensing issues? We did try to write this ordinance in a way that is easily enforceable because we have one code enforcement person that is part-time. The city had previously not issued citations for it and the last four months, I think we've issued 15 now so it is being enforced now. One of the challenges right now is that Certain zones allow gas leak blowers certain zones don't so we get a lot of calls from people who aren't sure if it's allowed in that zone or think it's not allowed but It turns out it is So we wrote this ordinance to try to clarify all of that. It's not you know, gas blowers will not be allowed And then the business license issue specifically Because we're writing it fairly broad, the way we were planning to enforce that is that any gardener or landscaper, and it's in the attachment on page, attachment B, page three of six.
Any landscaper or gardener without would be required to provide a proof of purchase of an electric leaf blower and assigned declaration that the company will not use prohibited equipment in the city. And so we figured, because it's a... We wrote this. We didn't have different displacement levels or anything like that. It's just no gas blowers, mowers or trimmers. So we're gonna try to enforce it that way.
I'd like make another comment there. In the interest of time, I will suspend my I am not every city has a representative. I happen to be a representative in the air pollution control district, we had a meeting today
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At that meeting, our new director Lockheed who had been up here for our dismantling event where we actually physically destroyed the gas equipment that the city had. He was very excited about it he put pictures up I have to say that I had a nice picture drilling a hole in somebody The mayor over here had a beautiful picture of him with a sledgehammer and a hard hat on, really destroying some equipment. We are one of only two cities on the planet that have been qualified as, I can't remember what it's called, a green zone? Are we going to say it wrong? AGZA Green Zone. AGAZ Green Zone. The other one is in South Africa, I believe. It's not even in the Pacific. I think it's South Pasadena. That's what they told me today at APCD.
It's something we're really proud of and this is as Randy said, this is us leading by example. It's a small step but it's really important the amount of pollution that these devices put out makes them untenable in the modern world they're just not available they should not be considered available for anyone that has any consciousness of our environmental concerns. The enforcement on it, not only do we need to do it but I will tell you can ask the workers for AT&T and you can ask the workers for Casitas I'm happy to report that's my fine. I sent you for doing it in front of my office, idiots." And it's not cool that these other agencies come into our town and don't think they have to play by our rules. So it's not just our citizens. It's not just the commercial businesses but it's also these contractors and other individuals that work for other agencies that don't think they have to play by the rules.
We all need to enforce the best we can. I don't love doing that, but literally the day we had our dismantling event AT&T workers were in front of my office using gas blowers and I just thought that was good. In fact when I got out of my car they blew it right on me which did not help either. But this is really a small step and a much bigger step that's leading by example. We talked about it today at the Air Pollution Control District Board, that Ojai is not only committed, not only has this reputation but we are leading the way. We're going to continue to do that and for the people out there that don't understand that this is going to be a necessary thing for them to change in 90 days after this final reading That is the spirit of our community and something that is in the fabric of our culture here, and we're committed to it.
And yes, it may cost a couple extra bucks to get new equipment, but once you understand the impact that these small devices have on this particular issue, it is as Mr. Colomay said, a no brainer. And I am very proud that the Air Pollution Control District has not only stated that Ojai was an example But there were other communities and representatives from their councils that asked me about it. And we did this by going to our staff and saying, hey are you willing to change all these out? The feedback was 100% that not only was it easy but it was better to use. It was cleaner for them to use in general The, you know our area where we stored stuff where it smelled like gas and was kind of a problem now is much cleaner and much nicer to be in.
There was really a top-to-bottom increase and I talked to the guys myself and they said no we're in the battery pack and dealing with this was actually an improvement on what their daily lives were because they liked the equipment a lot more so Please understand that this does not come lightly. We are gonna lead the way, we're gonna continue to lead the way and I think as some of these other areas that are under consideration if we don't do them now, I think we ought to make sure that we come back in not too long as the world is changing and see what we can do. And while some of these may not be readily available at this moment, I think we need to push the envelope on what we need to do while being conscientious of our community.
But I am, I am proud that we are going to move forward with regulating this the best we can. And I encourage our citizens where they see people aren't acting properly to tell them first but then remind the city if needed to enforce. Mayor last comment for me is I'm
fine okay
I'm not going to push for the licensing. However, I will push that the app comes back for discussion along with licensing before the 90 days is up. And the generators.
I'll make a motion to approve the staff recommendation with the addition of, I'm going to go for it. Hedge trimmer, pole hedge trimmer, pole saws and lawn edger in
We have a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? If not, call the roll please.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? If not, call the roll
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Motion passes. How about that? You live to see it, so
did I! I want to say why...I'm not exaggerating because as a yoga teacher there's nothing worse well there probably is something worse but when you put your students in Shravasana and then somebody comes by with a leaf blower inevitably
Motion carries. We now go to item number three, text amendment regulating accessory
dwelling units.
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Mayor, can I help me to do this? To help us expedite this meeting and to get things done quicker. I'd like to move item 6 before item 3 and just make a motion that we all stay on our same committee assignments for fiscal year 2020
Oh, okay. Second. Okay moved and seconded. Well that's fine with me. Does anybody care
what
your
opinion of
everybody is?
Because
it's really hard
for me to get to BCOG every month so...
Oh you don't want to go to BCOG?
It's
very
difficult to get to Camarillo at 5 p.m. on Thursdays for me but if there's no other
options I'm not going to do so. No, you have a right to nod beyond that. Anybody else like to serve on BCOG? Mayor, you want to? Okay well
Okay, so do
we need them? We don't need a roll
call
on that doing okay. So without objection the
motion
passes Okay, let's go to item number three And that's text amendment mr. City manager
Thank you. I'm going to do a very brief introduction before I hand it off to the city attorney and just remind everyone that this item is in response to several changes in state law regarding accessory dwelling units, which our city attorney will fill us in on. And it's intended to bring the city into compliance while still maintaining what ability we do have to regulate. So with that, I'll hand it off
to the city attorney. And on that front, I'll give you just a brief staff report. Of course the detail is in the papers and it was discussed at length with the Planning Commission over a couple of meetings. The Planning Commission did in the end unanimously recommend approval of the modified ADU ordinance. The key changes that were made were a couple. One, on size limits.
The state has adjusted the rules here to continue to allow minimum and maximum size limits but only if we do not prohibit an ADU that is at least 800 square feet in size 16 feet in height or shorter, and with 4 foot side and rear yard setbacks. So we've added a provision at the bottom of Table A in this section 10-2-1709, the new footnote Number, bear with me a second.
Our new footnote number three and footnote number one G together accomplish that purpose that we're not going to limit an ADU that meets those four triggers again Minimum 800 square feet in size, 16 feet in height and four foot side and rear yard setbacks. Notably front yard setback is not on the protected list we can continue to impose our full front yard setback that also was reflected in changes to the setback section where we've added side and rear listed at 4-foot and in the Square footage limits which have added the reference back to that new footnote. On the parking front, we now can no longer require replacement of a garage that's lost for the primary unit but for the typical ADU it is still one space per ADU or one space per junior ADU except if the ADU was within half a mile of a transit stop or within an historic district And those are all reflected in the code.
We also can no longer require one parking space for ADUs that are attached to a primary unit, so if the house and the ADU were together then we, that one is of change. The state flipped the switch there. We can no longer require parking for that ADU but still the two spaces for the primary units. The next big component
The two spaces are still required even if the garage has been converted and eliminated. Is that right? They still have to have off-street parking for that?
No, that's one exception. If the two spaces were in the garage and they've converted the garage we can't require those spaces to be replaced. And yeah, your look is correct. It's foolish but that's what the state has done. So if it's a... The ADU is placed somewhere else on the property we can still require the two spaces to be in the garage but if they take the garage and convert it to an ADU we can no longer require those spaces to be replaced.
That has been preempted.
I have a garage question too, and the time is
right. So you're saying that under the law that improved off-street parking for a principal resident can be eliminated with no parking but if they want to put an ADU in they got to have
One space for the ADU.
It's not internally consistent.
Yeah, okay.
We can't look for logic to this bill is one thing to remember.
Did I hear you... Mr. City Attorney? Did I hear you say that we can... The city can no longer require a garage for the primary unit And let me explain why I'm asking that. For the last five years, I've rented a house with a garage as just the fire trap. It's completely and utterly useless. It hasn't been used probably in 30 years but I'm not allowed, the landlady is not allowed to demolish it unless she has the funds to put up a new structure.
Is that no longer the case? So, the allowance to get rid of the garage and not replace it is only if the garage is converted to an ADU.
But it's... It doesn't... No, it's not good enough that it's a useless... It's a fire hazard is what it is.
There are separate rules related to fire hazards so that might be one that we should take a look at more than this moment. Okay. There are separate rules for fire traps.
So you're saying that I'm... To the best of your understanding The did I thought I did hear you say no longer require garage for primary unit. Did I not hear you? Say
that's correct But there's a there's a piece that has to be added to it No longer require garage parking for a primary unit only if the garage is demolished or converted into an ADU Into an accessory dwelling unit, right?
So if you're creating a new dwelling unit, they're allowing you to Yeah, they let you not replace the
parking
and
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But for a regular house that doesn't have an ADU, just the house itself and no ADU, no accessory dwelling unit, then the rules are the same. And the house is still required to have two primary spaces or two spaces in a garage. This ordinance and this law only protect accessory dwelling units. They don't protect
houses without an ADU. Okay, I got it, I got it.
But we should look at that more
than... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, all right.
I hope this has all cleared everyone.
One is the other pieces that are new in this is the concept of junior excessive dwelling units, which is all on page 11 of attachment a Junior excessive dwelling units are separate dwelling units that are Included in the primary house. So they're the back bedroom that's converted more or less. Does that also include the
garage?
It could be a garage Yes And a junior ADU... Are you enjoying this? It's a bit crazy. The junior ADU... Watch the
planning commission go through this.
Yeah, there was a... This is a short version of a much longer discussion. The junior ADU used to be Purely optional, and so we didn't have to deal with it. But the state flipped a switch on what was optional is now required. And if we don't have an ordinance that regulates junior ADUs then the state will be forced to accept them under the state's regulations. My recommendation as the Planning Commission concurred with is to adopt rules governing them in our code so that homeowners who wish to do it know what to look for. It's all on our code and for those who may be opposed to their neighbor doing it they know what the rules are and they can look also in our code.
Junior ADU, it's all the same standards as an ADU but some lesser standards. There is no parking, the max size is maximum of 500 square feet and a junior ADU has to have a separate sleeping and kitchen facilities and a separate entrance, but it may share sanitation facilities. In English the back bedroom has to have its own door which might be sliding glass door and it has to have its own kitchen which might be the wet bar with a deep enough sink and hot plate but it needs not have its own bathroom. It can share the bathroom of the main house at the applicant's option And then if you approve that, then it becomes a junior ADU. The second piece that's new and this one may be less impactful here given the characteristic of our housing stock is multifamily ADUs.
This also is another one out of the wisdom in Sacramento. Multifamily ADUs are accessory dwelling units on apartment complexes or condo complexes and they're allowed in two categories. One is up to 25% of the number of units in the complex can be added But only if it's conversion of existing non-habitable space, the laundry room, the gym, that giant boiler room et cetera. Those can be converted into ADUs but up to 25%. It's obviously not meant for places like Ojai, it's meant for Oakland and San Francisco. The second category is up to two detached ADUs on any multifamily site. As long as you can meet certain setback and size and location requirements. I'm not expecting too many of either of those category to be built, but we did allow add provisions for them here again the state requires it whether we have it in our code or not but the recommendation is to include it in our code so that someone who wishes to do it or wish to understand what the rules are or are not can look to just our code and doesn't have to also look at the state code.
And that would be the key points there are other points in the staff report I am available for any questions
Two questions really quick. I reported back to this council when I went to the Long Beach League Conference that a spokesperson for HCD said they were on the verge of issuing guidelines for how tiny homes on wheels would be counted as RENA, or affordable by design. Has that happened?
Not yet. HGV keeps promising they're on the verge for
months and months and months. They're
not
always the speediest. And second question, really quick is fees. You know we have the language about school district fees again. Is there anything in these new sets of laws that you know keeps school systems with declining enrollment Thank you.
So the new rule does have some new rules on fees and school district fees are included under the education code or the government code, are included in the impact fee category. And our code provides that no such fees shall be assessed by an ADU by the city of course the school operates under their own laws but
they also state here they can't be assessed by the school district as well
Right, but the issue there is we don't have the power to limit the school district's ability to
impose fees. Did HCD put out some guidelines to get the school districts in line with the sanitation districts so that we're all on the same page here?
And that's where I'm getting to. That was where the rule... The law has changed. Now ADUs smaller than 750 square feet cannot be charged any impact fees. At all? Not by anybody? By anybody. The key there... But hold on a second. There's a different distinction between impact fees and utility connection capacity charges. So the sanitation district fee is the latter. For an impact fee, that would be a development impact fee, a school district impact fee, something like that. The rule is if it's under 750 square feet no fees. If it's above 750 square feet, impact fees can be charged but only if they're proportional to the size of the ADU which some or all impact fees may or may not be proportional to and that would include the school district fees for the utility fees The rule is slightly different trigger.
There the trigger is, I have to double check my notes real quick. If an ADU is attached then they can continue to impose connection and capacity fees but only this utility connection or capacity charges. But only if they're proportional to the impact of the ADU on the system, meaning that they vary by square footage or by number of fixtures for plumbing related fees. If it's attached or if it's within the existing structure then there are no utility connection capacity fees and to facilitate that development to the extent we can Our code here continues the same rule we have now, that a ADU of any stripe can have commonly or separately metered utilities at the applicant's option. Which means if the applicant so chooses they need not separately connect to the system which would in some cases trigger those utility capacity or connection charges.
So Mayor, just one question along with that. There's so many but this will be a simple one Matt I hope. So if I'm on a septic system and I want an ADU or junior ADU and I start adding... And I start adding fixture count to my septic system am I going to be required to replace my septic system?
So we've provided that you are allowed to continue to use your septic system if you prove to the building official that your septic system can accommodate the added fixtures you're adding on top. So if you can show that your septic system is safe and effective and could, uh, can support another bathroom or another kitchen or both, then you can continue with it. If your septic system is currently failing, then you wouldn't be able to add to it.
I'm sorry to hear that because that just creates a lot of confusion. Septic systems are designed on capacity and the capacities are dictated by the amount of fixtures in a house, not the amount of flushes but the amount of fixtures. So if I add the... If I increase the amount of fixtures you're telling me that I have to prove to you that that's not going to cause harm to my septic system? And how do I do that?
It would be in the application process to demonstrate the sizing of...
How do I demonstrate that?
You would produce the materials that shows what size it was when it was built.
You see what I'm trying to say here? That's a heavy burden, and I know I'm lost on that but that's what I'm saying there's a lot of these we could be asking here on and on and on. A
contract of only certain number of flushes per week. That's
what they put a governor on it.
It's
in the
lease. Okay are there any other questions before we go to the okay if not okay the public hearing is now open Wayne you've been very patient come on up and Ray Powers is on deck
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Good luck, Wayne. Thank you. Good luck. Wayne Maynard, Gridley Road, a resident of Ojai. Concerns I have with reading through the staff report and the proposed language has to do with the maximum size of the ADU. The staff report indicates a square footage of 850 square foot or 1,000 square foot for more than one bedroom. Then the table talks about Table a you look at it says 1,200 square feet or 50% of the size of the primary residence and it refers you then to footnote 3 Which?
notwithstanding the maximum floor area stated in table a The maximum permitted size shall be 850 Or the thousand so I don't see how you get to the 1200 square feet It appears that that the footnote is applies to the percentage factor If the primary house is less than I suppose 2,400 square feet then you can't go up to 1,200. And it seems like that's the exception. So, it's a little bit confusing I believe when you read that.
With regards to the 50%, I don't really understand maybe somebody could explain why we have a limit of 50% for an accessory dwelling unit of the primary unit? What's more important to me would be the setbacks and the size. Why does it really matter how big the primary resident is if we want to encourage Second dwelling units and allow a family to have at least two bedrooms. It seems like that the property is large enough to allow it, then we should permit it not just restrict it because of the primary resident size.
I also have a concern with regards to the table A, the word new. It starts off each of the heading, the heads of each column, the header of each column. I believe my assumption is that's probably where it is used in order to preclude that from being a retroactive requirement to existing ADUs. But I think it also precludes existing ADUs from perhaps increasing the size of their area if they're a legally existing ADU. And I think they should have the same ability to go to the same sizes that the new ones do and come down, apply for a building addition. So I think that might need to be looked at as well.
Thank you, Wayne. Ray, you're up and Jeffrey Starkweather, you are on deck.
Jeffrey's still there? Hello council, Ray Platt, Ray Powers. I'm going to speak as a private residence, not a member of the planning commission. But certainly with the six or eight hours the Planning Commission has put on this My head's not spinning anymore but it still wobbles a bit so Um I spoke, had brought this up before and that is for your consideration that a junior ADU can be part of an ADU.
So if someone builds 1,000 or 1,200 square foot ADU which could potentially be two- or three-bedroom unit that they'd be allowed to have part of that as a junior ADU After all, what we're after here is affordable housing. And junior ADUs are a way to have even more affordable housing. So to limit the junior ADU just within the primary residence doesn't make sense to me.
So I'd like you to consider that option. I want to speak a little bit more about the intention of affordability, which is affordable by design. This may be a non sequitur, and I apologize if it is to this topic. But I want to bring up the concept of having a library of pre-permitted ADUs, pre-permitted designs that people can go get over the counter and save a lot of money. If we can save the homeowner who's going to build it money Then that hopefully will get passed on to the rental tenants.
So I just want to put that out, that there is a methodology we can start surveying—I'd be willing to help all of the country for pre-permitted designs—that we can then just offer to our citizenry. I will also, and this may be heretical but maybe the concept of rent control on new ADUs that it costs X amount. Here's how much you're allowed to use and I don't know if that's legal but here's you can't go over have a maximum amount of rent that can be charged for the specific size of the ADU and actually put some things in place. So we do stay with affordable by design.
In regards to septics, again this might be heretical but we could look at compost toilets they've been around forever Forever meaning like 30 40 years and the new designs work really well. So there's a way to Get over that hurdle that you were talking about councilman Haney So that's all I have to say now Thank you for your time My
question Going back to having junior ADUs part of an ADU that connects to what Wayne said about the 50% limit of the primary residence because there are going to be cases, situations where there's a huge lot with a very small primary residence. Right? So then it doesn't make sense if it's a tiny house small house to make the requirement that the ADU be following my 50% Okay, this is all yeah But if
you have a 2,000 square foot home
You
could build it out and you have the right setbacks. You could build a thousand square ADU and let's say a two-bedroom. And one of those could be a junior ADU with its own separate entrance and its own mini fridge, and it could even share the restroom from the other part of the ADU.
If our goal is to provide housing and as affordable as possible, that makes sense to me.
I mean the density of parking around all this is a whole nother issue that is another discussion
And the affordability is also another discussion even though it ties in you know Some good suggestions when we get back to the affordable housing issue How are you doing whether it complies with the state law?
Yeah. And there are situations where the number of cars are limited, you know those ordinances exist. Okay
thanks Ray. Okay is Sherry Ann still here? I know that she made this card out by mistake because she had the one on two okay then the public hearing is now closed Bill? A
couple quick questions if to either one of you So is the situation as proposed, basically state law saying that if I get a permit to build a storage shed, that basically then I acquire an entitlement to convert that in the future whenever I want to, to a dwelling unit? So the storage shed you build, is it built to the building code? Yes. It would be built to the building code with a permit as a storage shed.
Yeah, then that could be converted. So
anything you build new as a non-dwelling accessory structure acquires a ministerial right to convert to a dwelling unit in the future?
Provided it meets the rules about an ADU, then yes. With the other exception would be if you already have an ADU, you can't get two. Right. I understand. If I didn't have any? Yeah. If you had a house and no ADUs and you build a storage structure built to the building code, then you could convert
that into ADU. Convert it just by virtue of it being there. Yes. Okay. There's no date cutoff in other words.
No, there's no
date cutoff. Okay. And how does the new program The new law on the amnesty program interact with the program we have now, I believe expires in March 2020. And should we formally extend our program? Because it's very health and safety oriented and it also waives some particular requirements, clarifies the standards under which the building official is to... Should that be included also that we take that up?
So, you can certainly extend it if you want. Our program operates on top of and a bit more than the current state amnesty program.
I think it expires March of 2020. Is it 2020? I think. I could be wrong.
But even if it does isn't that a separate issue? Yeah, I'm just thinking whether we should take it up in a future agenda
item. And the other thing is last comment here in this round and I agree with Wayne's suggestions by the way Boy, this having deed restriction on some and not others sounds like an enforcement nightmare. Do you see any particular problems if we just drop the deed restriction for everything?
No, another one of my cities did that as well. It isn't, they're not required. I mean the prohibitions that are reflected in the deed restrictions still apply whether they are or are not on title. Right. So don't think there's a legal issue it you know some homeowner 10 years down the line may claim oh I didn't know I don't know but they're still bound by the code
so. And I guess it seems like a nightmare of the way this is possibly set up on just a five-year for some and not for others. Right
and the reason we have that in here at the current ordinance is it reflects we drafted this to go as far as we have to not farther I
know, it just seems like having a five-year prohibition window and it just seems like it creates a heck of a lot of nightmare for code enforcement and staff where we ought to be focusing our efforts on other things. Just my own opinion.
At this end of the table, do we have any further questions of staff?
No. Here's
some information I
pulled up
on
AB2406 which is the code
section that covers these juniors As I read into it, here's the thing that I highlighted is current law does not prohibit local governments from adopting an ordinance for a JADU. The bill explicitly allows and not requires a local agency to do so. Do we have to have these, or do we not have to have these? Are these just adding confusion to what we're doing?
So what I'm reading into this is it's up to us. So
the current law for JADUs is that you do not have to adopt an ordinance, you can. But if you don't adopt an ordinance they are governed by state law. The old rule was we could choose whether or not to have them at all. Okay, so that got preempted.
Okay? That was my first question The second one comes back to What mr. Powers was talking to and that is you know what's affordable housing
about and what's it about in our? In the interest of time affordable housing is separate from this topic So if there's a quick question, it is a quick question
And it's two things. So the question is, how can we incentivize this community to do ADUs? And I'd like for staff to be able to look into that. And again, I brought it up in the joint session. Is it through some form of a Mills Act? Is it something else that the community can do through the Housing Trust Fund? But I think that we need to start looking outside of the box to help the citizens build these ADUs because right now a lot of them aren't getting built.
We'd be happy to take a look at ways to incentivize it further and bring that back.
Okay, yeah the question I have maybe you were answered it at the beginning and I didn't quite follow the explanation before we opened the hearing but I received a letter from some law firm that was besmirching in the good name of our city attorneys who said Nobody else except your clients are claiming that you can't have what, a junior ADU and an additional ADU? What is the answer on that?
Yeah, so on that one it's a group called Californians for Homeownership. I think their name...
Yeah, I don't quite get the relationship
between their
name and
the... It's an advocacy group that seems hell-bent on the idea that you should be able to have both an accessory dwelling unit and a junior accessory dwelling unit under certain circumstances And their reading, as I look at it, is rooted in this very narrow reading of the statute. If you read one sentence by itself, it says that. Where the paragraph begins, a detached ADU. The paragraph above, a ADU or a junior ADU and the separate ADU statute six that we were discussing earlier is all a junior ADU I think there's some strong support for taking the position that we can continue to require One or the other, not both. I'll add that and I'm sure they're listening now. I will add that the proper arbiter of this question lies in two places three places one this council setting a policy decision Two, the State Department of Housing and Community Development will under this new law be reviewing and commenting on our ordinance when it's adopted.
If adopted we send it to them they have 60 days to review and comment then we get it back and then we have a process where the council reviews their comments that either confirms keep the stay the course or make a change depending on what they say Only then would it be right for the third category, a judge to review it and consider it. I wouldn't expect a reviewing court to rule anytime before HCD has opined on it and that provides us the check. We don't know yet what the state thinks about this particular question.
They assert that we're the only law firm in municipal law firm that has opined to this effect. I'm not sure that's true because they haven't done a comprehensive survey of all 476 cities in the state. They've only surveyed 70 which is less than majority And I think that it's within the council's power. If you wish to promote ADUs, then certainly you would take the position that in certain contexts you could have both a junior ADU and an ADU as was articulated by a couple of planning commissioners, albeit not the majority. If you wished to see what HCD says, that would be reasonable approach as well.
And I think the choice lies in really its policy choice for this council And then of course, we'll see what the state says. The last point I'll add is that HCD released a two-page policy primer on Friday which i think was afforded you and if not we'll make sure you guys get it that does not mention this requirement among 25 bullets perhaps indicating where they land although it's their initial assessment not their final assessment
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Okay, do we have a motion? I just wanted to give staff real quick. AB 671 is the bill that requires localities to provide incentive programs to homeowners for renting out their ADUs to low or very low-income people And it says the ordinances have already seen great success and throughout the cities of California. The bill also requires the state to develop a list of existing grants and financial incentives available, so again that this is already in motion we don't have to invent the wheel on that. Okay
thank you question?
Yeah I believe Mr. Madermeyer brought this up when if I was hearing correctly but under footnote three on attachment a nine and three Matt this is really a question for you It says notwithstanding the maximum floor area of table A, an ADU containing one bedroom can be up to 850 and two bedrooms is a thousand. I couldn't reconcile that with the chart because it says 1200 or 50%. Again it says notwithstanding but I couldn't figure out what we're doing there. So as I read the way those fit
together
yeah
the default rule is maybe you can be either 1,200 square feet this maximum size 1,200 square feet or half of the primary unit Whichever is littler, but there's an exception. If the ADU has one bedroom or less, so a studio, you can get up to 850 square feet regardless of the 50% limit. So if you have- Bigger
than the main
house?
Okay.
It could be bigger than the main house. The initial restriction is really about a studio versus a one bedroom and a two bedroom.
Well, let me finish. And then the second category is two or more bedrooms gets up to 1,000 square feet. So to put these in concrete examples, if you have a, let's say, 1300-square foot house, so half of that is 750 square feet. If you have a one-bedroom ADU, you get 850 square feet. Even though half would be only 750 because one bedroom ADUs are protected up to 850. If you wanted to do a two-bedroom ADU, you could get up to 1,000 even though your house is only 1,300. If you did a studio, you'd be stuck at 50%. Yeah. No, the studio would be part of the one bedroom as well. One bedroom or less, two bedrooms or more.
So the other one never matters? So it's really up to 80...so 50% doesn't make any difference because you're always allowed up to 850?
That's another way to think about it, yeah. It's... well 50% matters if it's above that. If you had a 4,000 square foot house you get or a bigger house maybe what 4,002 be 2,000 the max is going to be 1,200 there's uh I guess it would matter if you're in that delta between half
is Let me say it a different way. Maybe the table would be better said one bedroom up to 850 or 50% whichever is smaller, two-bedroom up to 1,000 square feet or 50%, whichever is smaller and... That would
be okay but there are situations in which you would still be allowed up to 1200 square feet if you had a large enough house.
Okay all right
That's why it's admittedly a little bit clunky.
Yeah, it's hard to understand but okay I'm with you and then the only other thing I'll say is JADUs serve an important role because for the infill housing category of ADUs and JADUs, JADUS give you an opportunity where you don't have to build a new structure. You can take an existing structure separate it out and create a new unit. I think they're an important part especially in a community like ours where we don't have the land space to increase housing Stock very well j80 you serve that purpose. It's essentially a way to say hey, I don't need to use all the space in my house But I don' want to move and I can help redo that by creating a separate secondary unit Inside the same structure if you don't have enough especially don't know size outside of it So I just wanted to make sure it's clear to everybody what a JADU is
Okay
And before a motion, I will say Mr. Maynard is correct it would make sense to add a provision reflecting new or expanded ADUs and the best way to do that would be on page 4 of attachment A subsection C kind of the beginning of this discussion where we begin notwithstanding any provision of the zoning regulations to the contrary an application for a new or expanded accessory dwelling unit shall be approved ministerially by the
director and go forth. I will make a motion including what Matt just added because i have no idea what he just said And I would like to, but I do want to make sure that is under the suggested adoption under the staff recommendation, I should say. Do our JADUs included? Because it was a little confusing with the letter we got. I know that your law firm may have a separate policy, but are we including JADUs in the staff recommendation?
Yeah, so this includes allowing JA to use. It does not include allowing both.
Okay.
That would be the trigger.
I'm going to make a motion that includes the language you said before and allows both.
Okay. May I ask whether you had a slight amendment to the motion? What do you also think of Mr. Maynard's suggestion of dropping the 50% rule on the primary resident and let other constraints rule? Because you think that allows it to be too big? Well no, his point was that if you have a very small primary residence.
Oh yeah, that you're limited by that? That you can't get up to the... Yeah I'm okay with that too, yeah. Now let me ask, well I would ask staff this first is there is there a potential problem that you know an unintended consequence of allowing a secondary unit that's larger than the original unit and is it site you know because there's because once we do that we lose any right where I think we lose any ability to stop like site coverage because ADUs are so exempted from so many things you could build a tiny little main house and then suddenly be I agree with you in principle, but I don't know what the ramifications
might be.
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Building a giant ADU.
In this system...
But isn't the giant second unit still limited to 1,200 square feet? It's still
limited. Yeah. Or half. You could build a 600-square foot house and then have a right to a 1,200-square foot
ADU. Subject to lot coverage and setbacks.
Correct. Although lot coverage now... Not a design review because it's not two stories suddenly I mean there may be other implications that domino effect through it
And we still, we continue to require if it's 16 feet or taller which is going to include a second story that still requires the design of a permit. The state doesn't protect two-story ADUs, it protects one-story
ADUs.
But lot coverage does have an exception. What
if we just significantly increase the percentage like 85%? Yeah
okay
Now would that alleviate the concerns I addressed, but still allow it to be larger than we were considering before? If it's a small house at least you still have an option to go.
Yeah that would increase the allowance significantly but also still
preserve. If you had a 700 square foot house you can't build anything more than 80, I mean whatever that number is. 90%, 85%. How about 90%? Are
you finished down here? Yes thank you.
I just have one last question how many ADUs or JADUs are we allowed per site?
The motion on the table is to allow one ADU and one junior ADU per house.
I just wanted to make sure, I think the public wants to know. Is it
2, 4, 6 or 8? And is the percentage going to be 85% on the amended motion?
Yeah, yeah. I have a question. So the motion would allow actually three households on one property, am I right? Okay, so can we also discuss the number of cars? Because nowadays some households have three or more cars. We cannot have 12 cars on the property. So I'm all for having as many units as we legally can with the proper Setbacks and all of that, but I think That in our little town with our narrow roads We need to just as part of this discussion we either tonight or next time at some point we have to discuss the number of cars and promote the concept of car sharing It's just, you know if we're gonna have this privilege.
What are we allowed
to
do? I don't think we have the ability to prohibit car ownership but we certainly could look at ways to promote less car ownership it might be the case of thinking there are levers we can use that would promote ADUs above the base allowance if you would commit to not have a car I think
we're now wandering off into creating new legislation that goes beyond what we need to do tonight. We've got to
get this going,
yeah. But let me just say, we don't want all these cars parked on the street. We can address
that. The
state
created a problem for us that needs to be addressed.
I think we should take that up as an additional agenda item but I'm under the gun to get
this going.
Yeah,
thank you and we'd be happy to study that further. Yeah more than this moment.
Okay, so we have a motion
You
accepted what the yes,
it's 85% is the amendment to the motion on
the side Okay, so substitute motion that in court grapes out. Well, okay We have one motion and we'll just as a further discussion on the motion on the floor if not It allows the it allows the ADU to
be a larger size than under the current code So if under their current proposal so that if you have a small
house, you can build one That actually is
livable in size. We
believe so to help
encourage Second
was there a second
Yeah, well it was the
amended
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0
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In the interest of time limits mayor I'd like to move we take up item 5 mr Chamber person has been sitting here patiently Okay
That's okay. Okay no objection.
What's wrong? Okay, Mr. I
guess... Wait wait wait what's happening now? What about Christine?
I think somebody was waiting for four.
Yes.
Two people were.
I'm sorry,
I apologize. Two people
were. Here's the council. Wait a minute, something is happening that doesn't... Hold
on Christine, I
might withdraw
that. Hang on, we have a closed session with the City Attorney that we were intending to be doing in about three minutes. Both these topics I think deserve... And we've had people waiting on both.
Yeah yeah it's too late once people start waiting for three hours we can't...
You know you're right. I withdraw my suggestion
Well, maybe we can't bump our twos one over the other but at what point are we going to do? We agreed we would trail items at a certain point. Is that the council's
pleasure
to just...
My understanding of the Chamber of Commerce item is that it's time sensitive so I think if we can we should address it tonight.
That's what I was
thinking
And continue the other one? No.
But I don't have a sense that the naming issue is going to take that long either. I think we can work through our 930
headline
and give ourselves to
945. Okay, well it may not take time but I have concerns with it so let's proceed. Let's proceed okay we'll take it in the order that it's in the book is that correct and we'll deal with both of them. Yeah I apologize. Okay, so item number four is up. Policy naming city facilities and memorial plaques and markers on public property. Brief introduction?
Yeah very brief. This item is intended to allow discussion of two items related to naming policy. First is City Council requested that the Parks and Recreation Commission Develop a proposed naming policy which they have done and which is rich returns and is attached to the staff report. It's also intended to allow council to discuss pending requests for potential facilities to be named.
Regarding the policy, just quickly, the policy discusses the procedure for naming. It is fairly broad and it allows nominating throughout the year, allows council to assign the review to the commissions, and then the commissions to recommend Who has the final approval authority? The criteria for the naming policy is fairly broad and basically allows recognition for anyone who has made a significant contribution to the community.
So that policy is attached for council to consider, and with that I will hand it back over. I have
I do have concerns with this being overly broad things like for fundraising campaigns and commercial The way it is written, you know the you know we've had incidents in the past This is a very hard issue to deal with, particularly when we're naming specific things. Whereas if this was limited to the memorial plaques and markers for citizens who are to be remembered or who have done...
Great service to the community. That's a fairly easy one for the council and we have been doing that right along, but we are such a small town with so few places to name and this doesn't really go into things. For example since this came up there have been at least three requests to name stuff in town One of which was withdrawn because the family said, wait a minute. We don't want that as it was gonna be... So it seems to me that I would move, I don't know if I can get a second of this but I would move this be referred to a council subcommittee which I will be happy to serve on along with another member of the council and we would bring it back at the next meeting addressing the things at least that I have concerns about.
Mr. Mayor, I was present when the Park and Rec Commission debated this and they debated it at length in several meetings and there's a logic To their conclusions, I would be happy to be on a committee if it's really essential. But I think we need to understand... I wish there was...
Well, I don't know why my question would be why we would refer this particular kind of policy to the recreation Commission I assume it's because at one point the issue came up to name something in a park But that's not the only place where names are placed on public facilities So, you know if there is there's a second if not, I stand as only one concerned vote but it's you and I
well my only hesitation is that there's some what happens in the meantime
in the meantime what
If That we can't name anything. I mean, how does that work in real life? Well
you the council can do I guess as they please My concern is and I can speak from personal experience part of which is my names on something someplace I want to go.
I was on Johnny Johnson Drive today. Just wanna
yeah And I think And I think the way that was worked out was is that as I acknowledge it when I retired, I said you know those of you who fondly remember me will appreciate the sign and those who didn't will be happy to drive over me. So anyway, I really do think you know it's not a big deal in my life But I think for this council and future councils to have a really clear way of doing this, and what we're going to do and not do is important. I wouldn't want to delay it more than a couple of weeks but I would hope that things like selling the name... It was proposed to take Libby's name off of Libby Bowl after 50 years or longer for donation. What?
Yes, and that's probably what stimulated some of this referral. So I'm not trying to be a big critic but I know how hard it is to do these things and how you do it fairly. For example Mrs. Weinberger was the lifetime achievement for preserving the town for the historical society and this council granted that to her and we put up a memorial plaque David Mason did incredible stuff and we put up a memorial. I think those are much easier when Mr. McPherson wanted to put up a monument in the middle of the plaza over the Buying out of the water company, that became more problematic. But this idea of monuments and other things for a little town and the kind of bureaucracy that's included in this, I would rather see it be a council action without nominations because people can immediately want to nominate everybody.
And how do you say your person is less important than my person or my nominee? It's a very touchy thing. But we could give them all places to put their memorial plaques or put their recognition plaques. It just seems to me that this is fraught with issues, but maybe I'm the only one
who feels that way. Mayor, I'll second your motion on the condition that we do take public testimony if somebody wants to speak on the agenda item. I'm happy to be on the motion for the two
of you. Yeah,
but I can't do I cannot
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work on this for at least another month. So the second part of the recommendation is provide direction to staff regarding pending requests for potential facilities to receive naming memorials, plaques or markers. You're saying we can still handle that? Or you need direction- At the
council level. It's within council's authority, yeah.
Okay.
I'd like to
make sure. As long as I don't have to work on it for at least another month.
Well, I know.
Ryan.
I just want to say that the one thing that makes the Ojai tick is that we are too small to have a bunch of in-house people that do everything. We constantly have to rely on outsourcing and a lot of that time, that's through volunteerism. And one of the things I don't like about this is it makes a lot of rules and a lot of complications for something I think is pretty straightforward.
First of
all this came to Recreation Parks Commission when I was the chair and it's a vetting process that's all this is. It's a vetting process, it's an opportunity for someone from the community to have a place to go to say this is what we'd like to do And that was an opportunity to have a discussion on it and afford a recommendation. It still Can come to council if reckon parks Rachel recommendation that that person doesn't get that they can still appeal that and come here All's it was is why it went to recreational parks, right? Is it needed to be vetted so it didn't take our time up So we didn't have this conversation That's all it was for so I don't have a problem you want to change that and you bring all of these nominations just to counsel Just remember what you're doing
I don't want to bring them and that's the reason why I don't think we should have policy that say anybody in the community who thinks that they something should be recognized can nominate it. And then what is the process by which one evaluates that? Well,
that's
what the criteria here is for is to give you some guidelines
I want to speak up for the work and the struggle that the Park and Rec Commission put into this because if we were going to just dismiss their recommendations, we should have just told them that months ago. I would request that you watch the hearings on the videotape and maybe you already have but it just feels like It feels like perhaps more clarification is needed, but it doesn't feel right to just dismiss their work.
To me, it doesn't feel
right. Then it's up to the council. That's why
I think
you should take it up.
We're not approving a project. We're approving a bunch of rules for something that seems like it's much more a feeling that ultimately this council is going to decide on these and it's going to get vetted whether we take it up as an agenda item. But if
you adopt these rules then to some degree obligated to have the staff go through all this and it is a huge amount of processing when if there's a nominee for something, you know, there's got to be a simpler way to do this.
I kind of agree look two council member can bring any agenda item and they can bring this anytime they want why shouldn't that just be the
policy? You can other than like I said what you're going to do is now you're going to take up Council time to deal with a plaque or deal with this or deal with that watch first of all this isn't new This is a revision. We already had an existing format for this, that's what this was. This is a revision. Well if you like it fine I'm just telling you unless someone's done differently in the last six years... We're arguing about nothing why don't you make a motion
let's vote. We have a motion. Okay we're done debating it?
What was the
motion? The motion was to refer it to a committee. You said you couldn't work on it for a month, I was suggesting that Ryan or anybody who's with us we try and turn it down to one page and make it simpler but if you don't want to do that then you don't do it.
No I'm fine I think it should be I mean I think the council should be the I haven't seen in my ear here a lot of this being bogging us down, so I think it's probably appropriate. But if you think it should go to Park and Rec, I mean, I appreciate Randy that you know a lot more about it.
Well the motion is to refer to a subcommittee of two. That's the motion.
Yeah, that's the recommendation for line item one. The second line item providing direction to staff regarding pending requests You want to take these as separate motions? The first motion would be for the Mayor and Councilman Blatz to review this and bring it back to council. The second one, to me, would be provide direction to staff regarding pending requests and that we approve those requests.
And what are they doing?
Staff knows what those requests are. Yeah, so it'd be the two requests would be because one was withdrawn So the two requests would be for the walkway and the bridge,
right?
Great
the city owned on path Yes, is this several by the Art Center? Mm-hmm What's the Art Center say, anything? We haven't spoken with them. I'm looking at all this and it kind of says it has to then be vetted by these rules that you know so do you I guess
well are these rules in place I mean if they're in place shouldn't we be following up they're not in place we shouldn't I mean I can already
tell you based on these on the rules in place that the request would qualify
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To the extent they are in place, the council still
has the power to approve
a name request above them or around them. I will second Randy's motion.
So on Randy's
motion I've seconded, I suggest we vote on that and then we can go back to part one. And is there gonna be public comment or we just don't have a card? There's no public comments. I think there were no cards. If anybody does wish to speak you'd have to take
comment.
I ask
if deliberations are complete that we vote on
this. Do I have a second for my motion? Yes. Okay, so we need a roll call on number two.
We approve the
request for the potential facilities to receive naming
memorials of The nominees or whatever yes, whatever this is it okay
Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 motion? Yes. Okay, so we need a roll call
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Motion passes. Okay. All right,
and then I am happy to be I will I will
This was the one that approved I guess Pending
pending pending
Now we are voting on whether or not you wish to
refer these proposed policies to a
subcommittee, or I guess if you don't want to do that then I guess you're going to adopt them.
I think it's the council committee. I'm going to second the motion if it's to the council committee of you and Councilperson Blounts.
Okay, so Ryan and I will take another crack at this and try to not throw it away but just try to simplify it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So is there any further discussion? No. If not, okay. Perfect. There we go. So ordered. All right.
I have a question before we move on. What is the process for Christine's request? Yeah,
I believe I have direction to that they are approved so I will meet with the requests and we'll coordinate
Yes.
Oh, thank you!
Yes it was. I have to tell my family
something.
It was. But
you have to meet.
You haven't gone on social media and ranted.
That's good.
I'm glad you have the right fag. I've tried to
follow. Okay, you meet with the city manager. Meet with the city
manager. We'll follow
up. Thank you City—oh.
Okay. See you. Okay next what happened? Do we lose a quorum? We'll proceed.
I turned your mic off, turn it back on.
Okay item number
five. Right
we got to do this one
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So who's introducing the city manager?
Yeah, I could just do a very brief introduction. The city funded a budget request for a business development agreement with the Chamber of Commerce during the budget process this year. The City Council funded the initial six-month term with a request to report back or for the chamber to report back on progress made after six months and that's the point we're at today. So the report is included and attached to the staff report, and the request for funding from the chamber is also included which includes the continuation of the funding for that agreement but it also includes a request for funding for the broadband project which the Chamber of Commerce has been coordinating.
So with that, back to
you. With respect to the broadband, where do we stand practically speaking on the ability to have an executed MOU and possibly a project ready to go when and if Measure C passes or soon thereafter? Or at least progress on the project.
Yeah, well let's ask the first question would funds from Measure C be eligible for a broadband project? That's infrastructure. Infrastructure, yeah public capital improvement
projects. I think that's exactly the problem is that right now without funding it's kind of stalling
so... Wouldn't a memorandum or understanding allow at least the specifics to be defined and being ready to go? Right And if we fund this, to what extent could we have something ready to go by let's say April or May?
I feel like that's actually a question for the chamber as far as how, you know, it's going to be how quick they can move it forward.
And then one other – well we'll wait and get that answer. The other content question I have is I'm a little concerned over the three industries that have been identified so far as candidates limited in the creative content industry. I call it the creative content industry And limited just to music when I think the creative content in general, we have a lot of, especially if we get broadband up here in terms of animation, scripts, film, video, plays, movies.
More than just music. Okay. All right. I'd like to see that in there. Not limited to music but you're going to have to get up there. Those are my comments.
Other questions? Not yet, no. Okay. I wonder if everybody says with no offense you can get ready to be offended but... You know when I look at this I looked at it as what is the fundamental... my father was a chamber manager and The fundamental purpose of a chamber traditionally was networking, ombudsman to help solve problems for businesses, tracking and promoting the local economy and activity.
And they served as a function of community in unincorporated areas primarily, or they served as an umbrella over large areas without regard to city boundaries. That's one vision of it. Ojai obviously is a little different but my question is and I asked this during the budget hearing maybe not clearly what was the purpose? We right now we're running a $50,000 deficit And I'm sure that by the time we get to the end of the year, that portion of the budget is going to get resolved. But it was a deficit we went into this with so if we're going to spend more money for something there are two kinds of expenditures. One is the one-time expenditure like let's do broadband or something good idea.
The other kind is sort of sustaining membership or dependency to fund another organization that is not really able to operate on its own. I suspect we have a little bit of both here. When I look at the report that came back, through no fault certainly of the manager but what I see here to the degree we have data is about like probably 90% plus overhead as opposed to program or special projects.
I guess this is waiting the broadband activity. I think that's a good project, but it seems to me with us running... we haven't had the mid-year report yet and I don't know where the manager sees it right now as far as the deficit, but with Measure C on the ballot coming up in what less than eight weeks? Maybe even shorter than that, maybe six weeks. It just seems to me if we're going to you know I'd you know an additional 10,000 or something for operational sustaining membership I can see but going you know or for a one-shot deal you know further for a larger amount where it's not supporting the ongoing operation of an organization and Both of those things seem practical, but to increase the amount of money that we're putting into this without knowing if we're gonna have an increase in revenues I think is not...I can't support it.
If that's what it's going to be so I don't know how this you know I square the report and I guess Jamie you'll explain that to us but whether we really are helping keeping something alive but not being able to advance. The whole purpose when we talked about this was to diversify the economy and through, I say you know the bad news or the, you know, I guess the bad news is we aren't. And the good news is from the standpoint of the people trying to diversify the economy, it's almost an impossible task. We are fundamentally real estate and tourism. The idea that the merchant community is struggling mightily and mostly having to turn to things like restaurants and bars because of the internet e-commerce. So anyway, that's just one person's concern.
Other comments?
Well are there any public comments? Should we let Jamie speak and address his report, and then we can bring it back to council.
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I think a lot comes down to just the value of what, I think this chamber is doing for the city. And I also think one of the biggest disadvantages we had was the chamber was running for many, many years with the tourism board funds coming in when you pull that completely out And still be looking for one person and a part-time assistant to carry on as many things as the chamber tries to do in this town, to increase the energy, the vitality via support.
Work with the city and then even start taking on some of these committees and projects that we do as a one man store. I think you're really getting your money's worth. Thank you I'm now trying to get some better fundraising in because I'd like to, by July when we come back, to have shown that we're actually getting better at getting back to where a chamber, even though most chambers are dying in cities. Here, I've been able to at least increase the membership 25%, which shows people are seeing the value of what we're trying to do in bringing the energy back to this town.
So I think it really comes down to, do you see a value of having a chamber? Do you see a value of what I'm doing and is it worth another six months? The broadband project is critical, the diversification This economy, I disagree. I am meeting with all the hotel owners in one room this Friday to start discussing what are we going to do Monday through Thursday?
And I already have a plan...
But that's not diversifying, that's promoting
tourism. No no, I agree but as far as diversifying again, I wrote down a lot in there but I want to address the fact There's a lot more than just the music industry. And I have examples of how we're working with a company that doesn't want to be divulged at this time, but they're talking about very advanced food growing in the East End if they can find the right properties which is water sustainable. I think that is diversification.
I think the software industry, which I've been partners in a software company for many years and I just see how they fit in a valley like this very well. But I can't be approaching that until I actually can show them broadband and that we're going to become a smart city. So I'm trying to help us as a city move step by step in the right direction so that we can maybe get off and attract companies in here that can afford with their executives, and afford to live here which are software and high-end service and things like that.
But we have to make this a smart city or at least get on the way to that
I agree with the broadband idea, but that's just like upgrading our utilities to something that's modern. I don't see how that necessarily does much to employ anybody particularly locally. There may be a few that would be, but most of the people, at least my experience with the dot-com industry is they go where The institutions, the brains are to do that sort of thing. In some cases they're building their own villages someplace and to bring the people in.
How would we... how does that?
Are you only addressing the software industry then?
Yeah for one and the thing about the idea of three-dimensional printers
That's right there. I know
it was right there except that those the whole concept of a three-dimensional that is my understanding this polymer Is it not that you that is extruded through heat? How do you
know no, they 3d printing They can use all different kinds of materials what I understand
aluminum or something Powdered
metal. No, no It's Forms of, and I'm not an expert on it. But the people I'm talking to are extremely environmentally interested. And so the impression I have is even a hemp strength type of concrete. Ray? You know a little bit about this don't you? Yeah, I do yeah. And so I think... Creek and so now they
open up a hemp Creek plant here or just
you know They're looking at their love industries that might be able to come here because of the brand and then export out products like that, but I'm meeting with that company actually Sunday morning Just to
discuss it Ryan. Well, I mean, I'm gonna use your own words here. I respectfully disagree Yeah No, I
said
no offense. Oh, no offense. All right. Fair enough. But the no effort has been made in this community to diversify the economy in Ojai maybe ever. I don't know when the last time anybody made any effort Jamie's been working on this for what, a year? I don't think he was going to turn us from a tourism and real estate community inside out to a brand new community in the six months we've been funding him.
I am acutely aware since I was on the chamber board when we hired Jamie of the situation that was there with the chamber where it has come now. I have attended many of the meetings. I've been in the board. I know the board members. The value we are getting for what Jamie is providing to this community is invaluable and the numbers that are associated with it, to me, are a very very good investment. And he's doing everything he can to stretch every cent he has and if it is in some form propping up the chamber this community is much better with the chamber and much better with some public assistance for it than it is without it I am 100% convinced of that The fundamental idea behind this broadband initiative is that we don't have the staff and the time and the investment in a Economic Development Director or other economic development issues inside City Hall that other cities do, and we are outsourcing that to Jamie.
He's doing this service essentially for the city along with all the other stuff that's going on from the information booth at the plaza to hosting entertainment events there where he has had singers down there and other stuff that has really improved the community and made people are really enjoying it. He's taking on some of the services that the city frankly should be able to provide on their own, so I see it as an outsourced value-added situation and we are not going to have any ability ever to have any chance in the new digital age, in the new environmental age, to have any diversification of our economy unless we are willing to invest in it. And I haven't seen any other options for this council to put their money towards the investment in the future diversification this economy except this and Jamie is super committed to it to the extent that he has talked to a number of businesses.
He's working on it and if this broadband thing can get in, I believe it's a build-it-and-they-will-come situation Well, every digital business may not be able to be decentralized from locations of where the brain trust is. There are plenty that are decentralizing from major metropolitan areas where they can have their people live nearby and they can be able to commute digitally with the rest of the world and the main factor they have is it just can't be too far away from a a major metropolis area, and we're an hour-and-a-half from LA. It's not so remote that we can't do that.
But doesn't that suggest that the people can live here and work remotely but work for somebody else?
Well I think...
And I'm sure how that helps diversify the economy
Well, if the individual employees at a company can live in a better place rather than an urban area that is the future of where digital employment is going. They want to live in a more rural, more outside area and Ojai fits that bill. The only type of businesses I believe we can bring in that are going to replace the brick-and-mortar stores if they continue to have trouble that are going to add diversification to our economy, are those types of businesses. And frankly if it wasn't for Jamie I don't think this broadband initiative idea would even be developed wouldn't get off the ground we just don't have anybody else to do it and that's not even counting the litany of other things that are really supportive of the local community and there is a place to go for these businesses.
Just the membership rate you know nothing in Ojai is increasing its attendance rate except for the golf league I run and the Chamber of Commerce and uh... nothing i mean really nothing else little league the school district population across the board we're not seeing the increase in any of these areas and that's a hard james been working
it was mostly social activities i looked at your forty thousand
signing up for the chamber of commerce is a monetary activity to see the value and
services right now see that in here as far as however the revenues from memberships and they show a number but it's a fairly small numbers about what work
The attendance of the mixers has gone from an average of 20 to 30, to 100%. That's about a four or five times increase.
That's the attendance of people who are here.
No it's not! It's a lot of out-of-town people. We have a number of people. I've met Ventura Realtors. Not that he's everybody's favorite person but we had Mayor Levere there.
Mayor, you two are having a lovely conversation but I think Councilman Wyrick and Councilman Francine would like to speak too. Do you want
to go
first? And including
restaurant week that's been a huge hit.
2:50 – 2:5612 turns
All right. Well, I support what Ryan has so eloquently and passionately pointed out. I also see as far as diversity, I think the chamber understands that we have to diverse the kind of tourism that Get the right kind of tourism that people come here for what's not looky-loos to buy junk, but people that come here for education which we can provide. And when I say that in the broadest terms, not just the schools, the private schools, the public schools, but the potential to educate people to live sustainably. The goal is to make Ojai world renowned Sustainable community and people can come here to learn. And that's happening already on a small scale, it can happen on a larger scale. And that's the kind of tourism that wouldn't have an impact, a negative impact on our community.
It would be a positive impact. It would be people that would walk, ride their bike, they wanna live green. I love that you're focusing on green business, that we should certify every business in town. The town is attracting more filmmakers and the right kind of filmmakers, not junk. But again, educational documentary film. All right, okay maybe there's...
That's a non-content base
for sure. Okay so I'll count that as a yes vote. And food and what you said, you mentioned food growing? Those are all things that could potentially I'm going to make a motion that we approve the funding of $51,000 additional
for the chamber as requested.
Okay, is there a second to that motion? Second. Okay it's moved and seconded. Did you have something else you wanted to add or do you want to vote on it?
I just wanted to add one small comment where I would take exception with one of the things you say about business location in today's world. I think that when amenities are what drive a lot of the knowledge and creative content industry, and what prevents that location where they would want to come here for those types of businesses is in fact the lack of broadband. It's the lack of more comprehensive services. I personally know of a company that relocated from Simi Valley to Ventura just because of the amenities, and they were considering coming up here but they couldn't make it work, one of the reasons being broadband.
Okay, no I don't dispute the broadband as being a help in that direction. My only comment is is I don't see how that's improving the tax base and diversifying it but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea to try and to make those who are already here do better so... You're in Ryan's old seat. That's right, I know. I'm always going to... I said no problem.
So that's why I thought we were going to keep the seats. Your
brother is by another mother.
Go ahead. So one, I want to agree with you. When you look at this fiscally, I understand your reservations and I would Probably agree with you. 100%. In fact, I do agree with you on that 100% and then you flip it over and you say what are the services that are being provided? That haven't been provided and I would ask the city manager if you had to staff this position What would it cost us?
Yeah, so we're getting a twofer. Actually but actually we get a twofer for that because we're actually getting Jamie and we're getting an assistant. So the other thing that comes to mind like I said they're providing a service that we couldn't do our that we could do ourselves but we don't have someone to do that. The other part of it for me is the fact that we supported the chamber I'm So we've upped that $50,000 and we've expected more from the chamber. And I think right now the chamber is-
And I can say this wholeheartedly what we were getting under the previous administration at the chamber for that value is nothing compared to what we're getting at
this point. Let's call a question. So last thing I want to say though is this actually works into the planning that we're doing for the next two years And that if they can bring something substantial to our thought process and how our future looks, it's a win.
Roll-call vote Passed 3–0
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2:56 – 3:0132 turns
I'm gonna have to say no but...
Mayor Pro Tem Blatz? Yes! Councilmember Francina?
Yes Okay, motion passed.
I've been at the end of a four-to-one vote many times. Absolutely
yeah
Okay, so
we now need to adjourn to the closed
session.
I have one thing to report, I was elected vice chair of APCD. Thank you.
Okay.
We're going to come back at well you want to do that and then just adjourn the meeting?
Let's finish this and then go.
Okay. That seems to be everybody's desire so any reports? No, no,
no. Just the vice chair and oh, VCOG we had the Ag Commissioner in at the same time. James are you going to talk about that? I think everybody's been briefed on that. The only good news is that the county...I don't know if it's been approved yet. I think it was today maybe they were voting on it but it's a half mile. You know we went from no restrictions available to these strongest restrictions in the state over six months and everybody seems to forget that we started the process. Because of us! So that's good news and that's really...that's on the HAP issue obviously.
Real quick, just for the record, Councilperson Haney and I along with the publisher of Ojai Valley News appeared with our three minutes per in front of the Ventura City Council and basically served notice that we're really upset. And we're going to do something about it.
They're on double-triple probation or whatever. Animal house hand.
Just a couple quick things One I just want to reiterate that the climate emergency mobilization committee public workshop is Saturday January 25th at Nordoff High School Which the school district offered in support of the Climate Committee. So we wanted to say thank you for that and And it's at 9 a.m. on Saturday the 25th and as a reminder that there is going to be a public meeting at the Boyd Center on the 21st at 530 about The water issue hosted by the Ojai Valley News and then just lastly On the January 28th meeting at this point The items we have tentatively scheduled are the HPC minor work permit timeline item coming back We've just continued the attendance report to that meeting, to follow up on that.
We have the active transportation project milestone report coming back, a solar energy request for proposal item that we'll be bringing back and the fire code update as well. And then a request from two council members regarding the skate park lease extension and expansion.
So not the letter? We're going to postpone the letter?
Oh, so we do have that tentatively scheduled.
Tentatively scheduled because we're working on it.
Okay
good. But
keep it tentative. We'll have it earmarked. We could get pregnant and have another letter by now.
How did we how do we leave it if since you approved the two semi-anonymous whatever it was we just did on naming is it Ryan me or are we gonna wait a month and then the Susan is that what we're doing
If that could be inclusive of an open agenda item discussion of lifting the well moratorium, I'd like to include that as well.
lifting the well moratorium so you know who can drill a 10-foot hole and have standing in the courts is that okay we haven't been sued yet yes we have
yeah we will be this for the city yeah so about to be served
The city has been named in the 30-minute cross complaint filed with the court by Ventura on January 2nd. It has not yet been served on the city, which means our deadline to respond as an institution is not yet running. That was a
courtesy
to you? It was a courtesy yes and they haven't yet served it and we're hoping to buy additional time for the council to evaluate the matter And yes, staff I very much agree that this needs a closed session discussion for the council to evaluate the best way to protect the valley. Followed by an open session discussion to implement said strategy once the council has heard a full briefing and evaluated the best way to protect the valley. And for those property owners or homeowners who are sitting in worrying what do I do? What do I in the end you each person must decide for themselves evaluate with your own counsel but you'll get some more information on the issue at the January 21st meeting 530 p.m. next Tuesday at the Boyd Center which will have some information not a pro bono session there's not going to be if you want pure legal advice you'll have to secure that for yourself but there's some informational provided there and the city continues
to evaluate the meeting on the 21st is not a officially sanctioned meeting that's a town hall The January 21st meeting is hosted by the Ojai Valley
News. It's a community town hall, January 30th. That one is hosted by the City of Ventura that has sued everybody
3:02 – 3:0310 turns
Okay so it's 5.30 for the thing next Tuesday?
Yeah, 5. 30 at the Boyd Center.
The 28th will have closed and open session on discussion of this. I think that's
what I'm hearing from the council.
Broadly is defined. Do I even have to
comment
there? Just briefly, the concerns that we're hearing is, is the city going to defend meeting? Or is the city going to create an environment where we can all defend each other? They're the main body of it. I'm not sure, I'm not... Well RF they'll be another organization. But that's what they all want
to hear. That's what we'll find out on you know those questions and others on next Tuesday and then we'll decide how to best address it okay. Broadly defined open and closed
discussion.
Don't smoke them even if you got them. Welcome and we'll see you on the 24th. Thank you for sitting through that.