BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 February 11, 2020

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role0:04

Order of the Ojai City Council, welcome everybody. I see we have a full house this evening as usual. Will the clerk please call the roll?

Roll call — called by Unidentified speaker 2
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Mayor Johnston? Here. Mayor Pro Tem Blatz? Here. Council Member Francina? Here! Council Member Haney? Here Council Member Weyrich? Here
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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role0:23

Okay, we have a quorum. Will council member Haney lead us in the pledge?

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role0:53

OK, approval of the agenda. Are there any?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role0:57

Mayor, I just had an inquiry and we have a request to consider item number six out of order just because it would be quick. Is it possible to waive a

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:05

staff report on that and then maybe do a quick approval on that?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:09

Okay. Which item is that, number six? Number

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:11

six the historic resident because... Anyway we just have a request for doing that. Okay

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:17

there's no objection.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:19

Yeah we had promised that this would be first if you're sure that the other item won't take more than a minute

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:26

With your support, I'm sure there'll be no problem.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:31

I think we made an in-depth discussion here. If

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:36

it

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:36

isn't

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:37

a long discussion, we'll continue the item.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:39

Are there any other adjustments to the agenda? If not, okay the agenda is approved and we will take up that item quickly at the beginning of the session. Right now we have a presentation from the Harrison company. Nan are you going to do that?

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated2:06

Good evening Mayor, Councilmembers, staff, sheriff. I understand you're new to the welcome aboard right? Excellent thank you my name is Bill Camarillo I reside in Camarillo California believe it or not and I am the CEO of Agriman. We have been your organics waste recycler in partnership with the Harrisons for decades and here to tell you a little bit about what's going on in the waste industry, we've had quite a few legislative bills passed that have completely disrupted the waste industry And we've also had a lot of challenges with the whole recycling of cardboard and plastic and bottles and containers that Mike Harrison's gonna fill you in on because of our relationship with China, and what they're willing to take from our recycling containers anymore.

But I'm gonna focus on the organics fraction. There's a bill that you may know about or may not know about but you will it's called SB 1383. And many people think it's a recycling bill or diversion bill from the standpoint of actually recycling something when it's not. It's actually a short-lived climate pollutant that was adopted as part of AB 32, which was the greenhouse gas emission reduction bill. So as part of the climate change bill they decided to go after five major industry sectors that being energy, transportation Wastewater, waste and agriculture. Those are the primary generators of methane in the atmosphere and carbon emissions that we're going to reduce CO2 emissions in the atmosphere so that bill was passed in 2006 and here we are you know 14 years later and since then we've done a lot of things to change how we buy our electricity and change the vehicles were having to use today and change the fuel or having to use today and And how we create food and how we manage water.

Whether you believe in the bullet train or not, that's being paid for too through that whole program and the whole cap-and-trade was the let's use a carrot that didn't work and now we're bringing down the hammer so SB 1383 is the result of the waste industry CalRecycle Not passing effective bills to mitigate methane from landfills. So because of all the organic waste that goes to landfills and gets covered up with no oxygen, we end up producing methane. And even though they have great capturing systems there still is anywhere between 25-40% fugitive emissions from landfills.

And now because of the technology of NASA and JPL with the satellites, I can actually see where all the methane's at. And it's around the cows in landfills. So we're next on the horizon. And just wanted to let you know we have some projects we've been working on for a decade so having some vision in the future to make sure we protect the cities we serve to be in compliance. We have been permitting the Lima Era Commercial Compost Center since 2011 And we think we're maybe another couple years away and might be just on time with that project. So it was a good thing we got started, as you know permitting anything in Ventura County just takes a long time.

We also invested in a food waste to animal feed project in the city of Oxnard that took us a couple years to also be able to convert food waste into animal feed for pigs, chickens, cows, dogs and cats so We're using food waste at the best and highest use for that part of it. So also what's changing is how we're going to collect the food waste, it's in the trash stream. The Harrisons are working on some new strategies on how to collect all that food waste along with all of the compostable items so I know you probably go to a lot of restaurants in town where they're now starting to use compostable plates cups to go containers We're having to figure out how we're going to get composted along with the food waste, the green waste, the wood waste, the biosolid wastes, the dairy manure wastes, liquid wastes.

You name it if it's organic, it's now gonna have to be composted. Many big institutions like Amgen and Thousand Oaks have gone to zero waste and really only have a recycled container and a compostable container, no trash containers. The new SoFi Stadium down for the Rams in Englewood's doing the same thing. Some cities are going completely to try and get to zero waste by certain date frames but at the end of the day it's really California has decided that California can do better And wanted to take the lead on climate change and the waste industry is up for the task, but you're now talking about moving 23 million tons of organic waste that's currently going into the landfills to compost centers.

Today there's not enough infrastructure. The important part of SB 1383 that needs to be said is it is an unfunded mandate. And there are penalties and there is no off-ramp for the penalties. In the AB 939 bill, there was a good faith effort that basically said hey if you tried and you have all the programs in place and you don't make your diversion rates we're going to give you a pass. In this bill, there is no good faith effort and it's because it's being driven by the California Air Resources Board who's in charge of AB 32 so we have to have all these programs in place by 2022 And the penalty phase begins in 2022. You're going to have to put ordinances in place to mandate the producers of organic waste to follow the rules, and you can't actually charge penalties to cover the penalties that could be fined of the producers until 2024.

So all of this has to happen by 2025? Which doesn't seem like very far away. 2022 is only 22 months away, we're going as fast as we can on infrastructure to support Ventura County. We currently manage all 10 cities in the county with Harrison's on the west side and waste management on the east side in the city of Oxnard collecting its own waste. But agriment is also in 15 counties throughout the state managing over 300 cities today.

Agriment was born right here in Ventura County We're all a family and friends business. And we're pretty excited about the future, but it is a big challenge and we can't do it by ourselves. Collaborating with waste haulers in the cities and the communities on how we're going to get this done is going to be really important. So I just wanted to make sure you know we had a chance to speak to you about what's going on in the waste industry Because it's going to be a big lift and no one company can do it by itself. So I think with that, I'll stop Mike Harrison Is here to talk about the recycling side and Harrison's and what they're doing on the collection side It's gonna show you a real cool video about Gold Coast

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction8:45

Sounds like you're not prepared to handle a All the food waste. So you're asking the cities if I understood you to have ordinances or there are people in Ojai who are trying to collect food waste and they actually have a bicycle compost service where you put out your Thank you very much. Yard space to compost to do so so that that waste doesn't go into the Into the garbage stream if I understood you correctly, right? That's what you're asking for and And those that don't have the yard space if they live in an apartment or whatever They can use a compost service

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PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated9:48

correct. They'll use the Harrison's will provide the service for collection and I didn't

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction9:53

but wait I

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated9:53

do

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction9:54

you have that now

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated9:55

Um, do you have any pilot programs going on in Ojai today? They do have some food waste pilot programs going today. The infrastructure we're hoping will be built by 2022 when the law kicks in and we're pushing the county so I guess if I had an ask If you see Mike Powers anytime soon, tell him to hurry up. We've been at it a long time. It'd

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role10:16

be my pleasure.

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated10:17

OK, perfect. I have his cell number if you need it. But no, I don't want to miscommunicate on the ordinance piece because all jurisdictions are going to have to have some sort of organics ordinance within the city that says you have to recycle your organic waste. Because if the city doesn't meet the mandate, the jurisdictions are responsible for the penalties.

And you're going to want some mechanism to pass those on to the generators, to make sure that they stay in compliance with you. To support the state's efforts so yes sir.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role10:51

I just want to point out already asked a city attorney to be looking into Thank you. is to mandate that the food be turned over to a food bank's alternative human consumption with enough lead time before expiration dates. And he's been looking into whether or not we can have the authority to do that at the ordinance level in terms of diversion as more efficient, in terms of beneficial use to human use before it has to go to animal use and composted use.

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PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated11:35

So here's the good news. It's already in SB 1383. It required to be done.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role11:39

So we need to implement that

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated11:40

in our ordinances. You need to implement that, it's part of the food recovery to feed hungry people and the Harrison's in Agraman self-funded with the county a grant to CalRecycle to help them get a food recovery program going. Require the

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role11:52

retailers to notify prior

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated11:54

to expiration

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role11:55

to pick it up so it can

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated11:55

be used. Restaurants, supermarkets, to get that food to the kitchens so they can distribute it

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role12:01

to

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated12:01

those

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role12:02

in need. Much better to do

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated12:03

it that way. It's in the ordinance, I mean it's in the

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role12:05

law But we need to implement that in our ordinance, right? Okay. And then two more other points I wanted to make you know what bothers me about the state county etc is you know things like the landfill gas well uh you know i'm on the board for the VRSD that administers the total landfill and as you know they tried to make beneficial use of the landfill gas but because it's so contaminated with siloxan It's impossible to do, and the state is doing nothing in terms of supporting research statewide to figure out how to remove that contaminant. So it can be used for beneficial

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated12:34

uses.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role12:35

And you can't

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated12:36

put it in the pipeline either.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role12:37

But in Europe they do. Right. Okay? And the third thing is don't forget the super emitter sites that the satellites have said. It's not just landfills, it's also like the compressor station on the avenue and some of these oil and gas fields are also big super

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated12:50

emitters. Fossil fuels,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role12:51

right.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role12:51

Okay, do we have Mr. Harrison in the wings?

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated12:55

Thank you I'm around and happy to answer questions and I'm easy to get a hold of Bill at Agriment.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed13:03

Thank You bill a lot to digest Mr. Mayor Johnston council members staff Mike Harrison from EJ Harrison I'm their engineering manager and I reside in Camarillo as well Just to talk about there was a brief presentation, I'm not going to talk about that today hopefully you can get a printout of it and read it at your leisure but Just to talk about kind of where we've been and where we're going and what we're trying to do just to keep you up-to-date.

And as Bill said, we're excited to be here and we're excited to work with the City of Ojai in making sure that you're in compliance with all these new regulations which are somewhat daunting. So Bill laid out a bunch of stuff and it seems like wow! Where are we at? What are we gonna do? But from Harrison, we've been around forever. You know us We've always been in front of regulation and Regulation is still hitting us every day and we're still dealing with it every day. We have great strategic partners and agriment and Gold Coast and That's not going to quit that's going to continue forward and we're gonna make sure that all your needs are met for compliance with these regulations So Gold Coast, for instance is Back in 1990 or even before they started recycling and they got in compliance with 939 before the regulation of 22,000.

So this is no different we're doing everything we can to get everybody in compliance with these new regulations and we have no other intention to keep you and keep us in compliance going forward so We're going to show you a brief video of what we've done at Gold Coast Recycling. The basic message for dry recycling is to keep recycling, don't quit. We have never thrown anything away and we don't intend to throw anything away and that's the message that should be presented to anybody who has that question.

Back before China in their crisis, we were already planning a new facility that would allow us Keep up the best we can with being able to sell recyclables to the marketplace unfortunately, the marketplace has been in foreign markets but that is what it is and were able to still keep up with the improvements that we've made so I know we're short on time. So I don't want to delay and we're here to answer questions but Note that we're here for you and we're excited to continue to work with you in the city to keep this effort going. Do not stop recycling, that is the message period whether it's dry wet or anything in between So let us show this video so you can see what we've done. It might seem kind of hard to see, but it's a business that processes a lot of material every day.

1,600 tons a day go through this facility. So if we could start the video and I'll step aside. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed16:51

Ever wonder what happens to the things you put in your recycling container? They come here, to Gold Coast Recycling and Transfer Station. The 7.8 acre facility is located on Colt Street in Ventura. Gold Coast recycles more than 90,000 tons of materials each year Recyclable items include paper and magazines, glass containers, plastic containers numbered 1 through 7, metal containers, aluminum foil and cardboard.

Since its opening, Gold Coast Recycling has recovered thousands of tons of fiber materials saving millions of trees. In its three-decade existence, Gold Coast has worked to comply with the state's mandated diversion goals, diverting more than 600 million tons of recyclable waste from the landfill. General Manager George Harrison credits the cooperation of everyone involved for the company's successful recycling efforts.

He said, quote, Recycling numbers have dropped in the state and the costs of recycling have risen. But Gold Coast remains committed to meeting the difficult state-mandated recycling goals. All materials trucked to Gold Coast are loaded onto our multi-million dollar, state of the art sorting system which uses screens and air technology to help filter out non-recyclable materials and to sort the recyclables.

Once sorted and separated, the clean recyclables travel up a conveyor belt to be baled. The baled materials are then trucked to markets. In recent years, Gold Coast has added cutting edge automated sorting systems This includes the latest commercial model that is a foot wider, more heavy-duty, has two more picking stations and a second baler. These innovations allow Gold Coast Recycling to recover an additional 20,000 tons per month.

Not everything that comes here is recyclable. Oftentimes trash comes mixed in with recyclables thus requiring inexpensive rerouting to the landfill. That's where you come in! Our goal is for all residents to put nothing but recyclables in their recycling containers, thus saving time and money. China, which controlled 86% of the recycling market has quit accepting recyclables.

Gold Coast Recycling has found other markets for the materials processed here. With recycling in a downed market, the cost to divert materials from already overcrowded landfills has risen Things you should not put in your recycling container include plastic bags, bubble wrap, styrofoam, hazardous waste, medical waste, oily waste, pesticides, dead animals, tennis shoes and food waste.

Please make it your business to be an active and informed participant in your waste disposal in your home and at your business. The future depends on you!

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CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction20:24

I have one more question. Can I ask you a very basic question? If the bottle is plastic and the cap is metal, are you supposed to take the cap off? For example when there's a bottle or jar with two different... And I googled it and I got conflicting results.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed20:44

So the answer is no, you do not have to remove it. The process goes through a very complicated process of breaking bottles and separating those materials so you don't have to necessarily do that. You can. If it doesn't get broken with the bottle or if it does get broken in the bottle, it will go through a series of systems that will separate and suck out that cap through magnets and other means.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction21:17

But it's okay to take it off then?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:19

Sure

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction21:19

Okay, doesn't clog up the machinery

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:23

And no it does not. No we like bottles and we like recyclables going through the machine what we don't like is things that shouldn't go through the machine like hoses and engine blocks and All the other things that we see Anything else Mike I have nothing else. We're here for questions, we're excited to work with the City of Ojai. We're ready to go for the future. We've already been doing this for many years. We've been in front of regulation and we're going to continue to do the same thing. We are going to continue to do the right thing and help you do the right thing. I think we

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role21:57

have one more question.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed21:58

So I just want a statement first of all I want to thank Nan and I want to thank you Mike and just your company is so progressive and so forward-thinking so ahead of the game And as a county and as a community, we just need to say thank you more often. Thank you.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role22:12

Thank you. And help us develop these ordinances.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed22:15

Seriously. We are here and we're ready to climb the hill, the big hill that we all have to climb. It's still coming.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role22:23

Thanks very much for coming down and sharing that with us. Okay under... Let's see, I guess we can start with our public communications before we go. You have some cards there? This is the time when we for items not on the regular agenda that the public has the opportunity to address the council. Council can take no actions on things that are not on the agenda, but we will listen and refer it to staff where appropriate.

And because of the number of cards we have I'm going to ask everybody if they could keep their comments to two minutes a piece so let's start. Garrett Clifford? Are you out there Garrett? And Ron, the librarian. So Lord knows you're on deck.

CommentGarrett CliffordProposedself-stated23:21

Hi, my name's Garrett Clifford and I'm with Ojai Trees. And I just wanted to thank everyone for the decision about Tree City USA and getting us back on track. 2009 we got it, we obtained it. In 2010 we lost it but nobody really understood that we lost it. The sign stayed up so glad to hear that it's back on track and we're going to get there. February 22nd we're planting trees And if you want a tree or if you want to volunteer and come plant with us, trees at OjaiTrees.org Let us know we can still get you a tree the deadline is Monday to order and You can come join us on the 22nd. It's a great experience. We even serve lunch

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role24:07

Thanks Garrett, okay Ron you're up and Brian Aiken you're on deck

CommentRon Solorzano I'mProposedself-stated24:13

All right, thank you so much members of council. My name is Ron Solorzano I'm the regional librarian for the Ojai Valley and just a quick update for you on some of the things we have going on at the library in the coming weeks. I want to start by saying that next week on Wednesday February 19th Don Iwerks is going to visit the library to present his latest book titled Walt Disney's Ultimate Inventor, The Genius of Ub Iwerks. The subject of the book is Ub Iwerks, Don's father who was a self-taught animator and Disney icon who became the first to animate Mickey and Minnie Mouse.

Then on Friday, February 21st at 1230 p.m., we are going to have children's book author and illustrator Dana Simpson who is going to visit the library for a special presentation for young readers and their families. Simpson is the award-winning author of the wildly popular Phoebe & Her Unicorn graphic novel series so that should be a lot of fun. Then later in the month, we're going to have Attorney Frederick Siegenfeld of Segalaw who's gonna visit the library on Wednesday February 26th to talk about protecting your loved ones yourself and your assets with a presentation that's gonna discuss advanced health care directives wills and trusts probate and more.

And then the last thing I wanted to mention, we've actually already begun this series but we're going to resume on Monday February 24th with our new Monday matinees at the Ojai Library. We're screening films from this year's award season nominees and winners and each screening starts at 1130 a.m., again the next one is going to be Monday February 24th and every week thereafter for another five weeks we're gonna show a different film.

So if you have any questions, just feel free to reach out to me. If you have any suggestions about programming you'd like to see. Of course we're continuing our story times or continuing our book club, our ukulele club and all of that so drop by the library and see what we have going on. Thanks so much.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role26:16

Thanks Ron. Brian you're up and Dr. Serino?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed26:22

Hello, Council.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role26:23

You're on

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed26:23

deck. I'm here with my museum hat on. The Ojai Valley Museum recently opened a new exhibit, 22 Miles, Ojai Valley Landscapes featuring artwork of the valley by the fine artists from throughout Southern California. The opening reception on February 1st was extremely well attended with more than 450 people. Is that a record? Yes, maybe a double the record. People visiting the museum in two hours.

Third Friday on February 21st we'll highlight the exhibit also featured live music by Babette and Bob between 530 and 730. Family Fun Day Sunday is a new monthly program with free admission on the last Sunday of the month. It kicked off in January with 101 children and adults having fun with bubbles led by our own Dennis Shives. You can imagine how much fun that was. On February 23rd is Hands-On Fast Crafts, it's a drop-in program between one and three come any time during that with the children in your life to bring to enjoy making crafts at the museum thank you all

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role27:31

Thanks Brian. Dr. Serena.

CommentDr. Sirena PellaroloProposedself-stated27:35

Good evening. I'm Dr. Sirena Pellarolo and I am here to thank you for the wonderful courts that you have offered us, the pickleball players, to play as much as we can. We have been displaced from other courts so we're thrilled to be playing here. Many of you have been there and most of the courts are being used regularly every day on Saturday mornings they're packed And we really want to continue playing there because it's an incredible resource for many of the players. I would say that it's an intergenerational sport, but most of our players are seniors so it's a great resource and I also want to commend our Leader and coach Tim Kraut who has spearheaded this project and from the goodness of his heart And it's a wonderful resource for the community, and I hope that we still have them to continue playing.

Thank you

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role28:36

Thank You Christian Bell Europe and Ron McCray you're on deck

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed28:45

Good evening. I'm here to also thank the council very much for the restoring the pickleball courts around the block here It's a tremendous difference in my life and my husband's limited activities But also a tremendous asset to the community and we're grateful Really deeply grateful. Thank you very much.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role29:07

Thank You Kristen Ron McRae with Tim crowd on desk

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed29:12

I'd also like to talk about the pickleball court. It was put in there, I suppose without any of the approval of the neighbors or any of the property owners or anything. The pickleball popping is unbelievable. I live down the street now and you can't You can't relax without loud popping noise going on all the time. The more, the pickleball people of the club they were talking about wants more and more people to come in there and this demonstration gardener that they're using wasn't meant for that as far as I'm concerned it's supposed to be a quiet place They continue on getting more and more people in there. It's going to be like a circus there, you know? It's going to be popping and people will looking for parking it's it's unbelievable that noise Your brain cannot get used to this popping noise I live down the street I can go in my house And I can close all the doors and the windows and I can still hear that popping thing it's it goes on all the time now the pickle people Or ask, will they minimize this stuff?

Yeah sure they will. Their response is no they can't because that pickleball would ruin their game. They've got to have that noise even if they could minimize it how would they police it people are still going to come in there and make that loud noise and It's going to be disturbing to the neighbors. They're not supposed to be there on Sunday last Sunday they were over there all day long They were playing and screaming and yelling and singing and having a son on a Sunday morning, you know You can't even stay in your house. It's all these people Live just closer than I do right across the street and I talked to several of them. That's just so annoying There's no sense that they have to have to be there there. There's the Soule Park it has a Place that they can go.

They should use that one, you know, I don't know why they're obsessed for this area It's not for this area the people around it I'm a real estate broker and I've been there here for 25 years And I know darn well That property is going down in value for sure if no one wants to move into an area with that kind of noise. It's fun Yes, I know it's fun but not here Tim

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction31:30

crowd may I ask a question as a city manager?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role31:33

When we

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction31:34

hear from the public,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role31:36

when we're done. We have one more and then you can ask the city

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction31:42

manager.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed31:44

Good evening council, staff, congratulations all day on your job. What I like about this sport besides being the fastest growing sport in the nation it's fun, it's energetic, it's invigorating, it' exciting and it has allowed me to meet over 100 people in this community that I wouldn't otherwise have met I've come to know them personally. We have different backgrounds, but yet we still have fun when playing together.

Thank you for allowing us to play here and allowing the community to come together. Thank you,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role32:25

thank you. I got one late from Dale Dale come on down and then Susan

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed32:32

Thank You Dale Hanson I live in the city I'm happy that there's a pickleball court where these people can have so much fun And I know it is fun as I walk by there, and I'm glad that they can socialize But it is disturbing the peace for the people who live there Now I'm a real estate agent, and I know that if I were going to sell I don't have a listing on any of the houses in that area but if I did I Could not sell it today for what it could have sold for two months ago before the pickleball court was there This is a major problem for the neighborhood And it's not something where you have any piece at all in your home It just goes on and on when summer comes they're gonna be there late in the evening. So So, I mean, I think that...I know Soul Park's a ways out of town but there is Pickleball Court there.

I'm told so you have to pay to get in well These people are paying dearly for their value of their homes. I mean something has to be done about it It's just not right Thank You

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role33:27

Okay, thank you Dale. Okay Susie you had a question for staff?

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction33:30

My question is this I know it's not on the agenda So we can't debate how to resolve the conflict but was there an understanding that they were not to play on Sunday

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role33:41

We've never There was no restriction on playing on Sunday

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction33:45

Okay, because if there was I was good.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role33:48

There's not currently I guess one of the things we can talk about at a future meeting is what okay? What rules we'd want to put in place

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction33:55

so we can assure the public that this will be

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role33:58

mm-hmm It's going to return it a future counseling

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction34:01

Thank you

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role34:04

Okay, the next item is the consent agenda do There any

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role34:10

I like to move approval of the consent calendar second

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role34:13

Okay, this is moved and seconded. Is there any objection to approving the consent calendar? If not so ordered We will go to item number six and I understand we're waiving the staff reports So let's see

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction34:30

We just need a motion to approve I

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role34:32

think you have to open the public hearing Yeah that's right And then we can have a motion to approve I believe

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role34:38

Okay, so the public hearing is now open. Do we have any cards? We do have some cards. Okay, Brian Akins with Craig Walker on deck. I would like to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed34:57

share a little information

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction35:01

about the Perkins-Baker residence

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed35:03

so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed35:03

the public can learn something about the home and the remarkable couple who live there. To begin with, the home is a beautiful example of 1920s Tudor Revival architecture. It was designed by William Edwards, a well-known Santa Barbara architect who designed many important buildings in Santa Barbara. One of his first partners was a young Wallace Sneff who later designed the Ojai Valley Country Club, the Libby Stables and the Ojai Valley School.

After the Santa Barbara earthquake in 1925, Edwards designed many of the Spanish storefronts we still see along State Street. He and his second partner Joseph Plunkett designed the Arlington Theater, the Santa Barbara Airport Terminal, the National Guard Armory and many fine homes in Montecito. As far as we know, the Perkins-Baker residence is the only home Edwards designed in the Ojai Valley. As beautiful as it is, the home's architectural significance is matched by the importance to Ojai of its original owners, Franklin and Margie Perkins.

The Perkins were a young, wealthy couple who came to Ojai in 1923 when Franklin was 28 and Margie was 26. Like many wealthy Easterners they came to Ojai on account of Franklin's poor health. They lived at the Bristol Cottages while their home was constructed. Franklin served as the general contractor and the builder was Sam Hutterberg who designed many other beautiful homes and buildings around Ojai.

The Perkins Baker Home is located next door to the Libby home, although Mr. Libby died shortly after the Perkins moved in. Inspired by Libby and in spite of his own illness Franklin jumped into community affairs playing an important role in the development of the community and the modernization of the town. He served on several community boards where he took a hands-on approach to improving several local institutions.

Under his leadership, the Ojai Library went from the small wooden structure that still sits on the corner of Lyon and Aliso streets to the present Spanish style building on Ojai Avenue designed by Carlton Winslow. Frank was chair of the building committee that constructed the current Presbyterian Church on the corner of Foothill and Aliso, also designed by Winslow.

He was a founding director of the first Ojai Fire District. He also served on the boards of the Ojai Tennis Tournament, the Community Arts Association, The Red Cross and the Ojai Community Chorus. Franklin wrote a popular weekly column for the Ojai under the name Harlequin and published a booster book called Ojai, The Beautiful. This was all over a period of four or five years since Franklin died in 1929 at the age of 35.

But Margie picked up the ball, continuing in Frank's position on the library board. She was also instrumental in the founding of the Ojai Arts Center in 1939, the Monica Ross School in 1940 and the Ojai Music Festival in 1946. She inspired many women in the Ojai Valley to serve their community including my own mother who was friends with Margie during the late 1950s and early 60s.

In 1975, Margie Perkins Baker sold the house and moved to Santa Barbara with her second husband Morgan Baker. Since then it has been the home of two Hollywood stars Denny Miller who played Tarzan and Peter Scolari of the TV show Bosom Buddies Today the home is owned by Tracy Albert and Carrie Pearlman, sitting over here. Tracy serves on the Ojai Museum Board and the couple recently opened the house to the public as part of the festival's 2019 Holiday Home Look-In. How amazing is it that they have decided to landmark the Perkins Baker residence?

As a city landmark, it will inspire others not only through the beauty of its 1920s Tudor Revival architecture but also through the story of Franklin and Margie Perkins who as a young couple did so much to bring Ojai into the 20th century. Thank you.

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role39:39

Okay, Brian were you going to cap that off?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed39:44

Yeah I just wanted to do one quick addition because somehow Craig forgets to mention this. That Denny Miller was also the Gorton's fisherman and so I brought Denny tonight so that he could oversee this historic event with us. Think about fish sticks.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction40:00

They're turning around so they can see it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed40:03

So Denny Miller as well as What Greg mentioned also was the Gordon's fishermen think of them when you're getting fish sticks over there at Vaughn's Again as it said we the Historic Preservation Commission voted unanimously to recommend this to the council both as a historic landmark number 28 and also for Recognition for the Mills property. We're happy to have the owner here and Showing their support because as Councilman Haney asked if If the owners want to do this, then I want to do this and that's why they're here is to show that support for For your taking this up tonight. So I'm just gonna leave Danny there just for a minute There we go

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role40:52

Okay, thank you Brian.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed40:53

By the way it says to my friend David Mason that's where

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role40:58

we got it. That was all the cards we have so I'll close the public hearing.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role41:03

I'd like in a spirit of gratitude to the owners really for to approve make a motion to approve the designation and also do approve a motion to enter into the Mills Act historically.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role41:15

Is there second to that?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role41:16

No

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role41:16

second. Moved and seconded any discussion? If not, I guess we call the roll on that. Mr. City Attorney? Yes. Will the clerk please call the roll?

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 Moved and seconded any discussion? If not, I guess we call the roll on that. Mr. City Attorney? Yes. Will the clerk please call the roll?
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Mayor Pro Tem Blatz? Yes Council Member Francina? Yes Council Member Weyrich? Yes Mayor Johnston? Yes Council Member Haney? Yes

Okay Thanks again Approved Thanks for coming down Okay we are now, Sousa to the item you've been waiting for. For

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction41:50

22 years!

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role41:52

This is the ATP project number two on the agenda and... So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed41:59

Mayor just one quick thing before we start

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role42:02

okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed42:02

I just wanted to demonstrate this pink bracelet that my granddaughter gave me today for Valentine's Day And I come in this, in offering this debate on ATP with joy and love and happiness. And let's all express ourselves the way that we can and conduct ourselves to the best of our ability. Let's not fight over this. This is just a discussion tonight.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role42:26

You must be anticipating something Randy. Okay, we staff report mr. City manager

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role42:34

and I have just I have a brief introduction But I want to hand it over to our public works director Greg Grant in a moment He has a couple slides to go through but just a brief introduction as far as noting that this is the 35% design review its on the agenda tonight to basically go through the project and identify the priority projects and our portions of the project.

At this time, there's a $2.5 million construction grant. There are $2 1⁄2 million in first-priority items so we are anticipating that the costs for those items will be covered by the grant. And with that I'll hand it off to Greg to walk through that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed43:19

All right, good evening mayor and council. I was just getting ribbed by a few people outside because they were Saying that I'm the first public works director that has stayed this long in persevere because it was actually To this point

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role43:43

Did you feel in any way threatened? Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed43:47

but it's been five years since we applied for this grant. It's amazing 2015 So we applied five years ago I was looking at our Packet that we have of all the council Reviews and actions and so on it's been 14 times It's come to Council And it was made part of that complete street master plan which has already been three years ago now You know that mass complete streets master plan developed and all that So we back last year in June, the council awarded a contract with Elta Design and Planning. And they're here tonight I'll introduce them at the end of the meeting and so they're at this 35% review point And as a reminder, we'll have a 35%, 60 and 90% review at each step per council's direction.

We'll have a cost estimate to accompany it to make sure we're staying within it because we did estimate like we were saying five years ago these costs. I think the biggest variability is when the low bids come in, we see variations up to 25 or 30% on low bid. Difficult to work with low bidders, but if it's properly specified it comes through I think it's actually a pretty good system. They're little bit It can really save public agencies a lot of money So with that I'll run through a couple slides here just as a reminder the project The priority has always been what the grant application was. It was pedestrian crossing safety improvements for them on Maricopa Highway, which is the only four that are there and the 13 on Ojai Avenue.

Bike lane improvements or establishment on Maricopa Highway as well as Ojai Avenue. There's not any there now. And then sidewalk infill wherever there's gaps as well as tree infill to create shade and aesthetics The path. So attached to the packet, there is those priorities that was reviewed with council previously. There was the green, those primary grant items I just reviewed are there but the pedestrian crosswalks, there's a lot of them so for instance you can see on here where the green is it's the existing crosswalk and you can see under the leg room Under the legend where the green is the priority, but orange is second priority. And then third priority is for instance El Roblar is not on the original grant it was a supplemental item that was developed later.

So you can kind of see those crosswalks established for Here at Vallerio, the priority is existing crosswalk but there's also other improvements that are third priority. Per the cost estimate tonight, the third priority would be very difficult to fit in with the existing budget. First priority and second priority appear within the realm. So that's a reminder through downtown what's first, second and third priority. For instance as you come into town here at Blanche the existing crosswalk would be priority. Third priority would be adding another one there.

Priority is the Kenyatta Crosswalk is a priority so we see that throughout the project. This map has been around for some time and it's on the city's Public Works website so it's got all the information. If you go there, you'll see the strip maps that have been reviewed significantly beforehand. Sheet 2 had alternative 1 & 2 for different styles in classes of bike lanes on Maricopa Highway and then as you go downtown there's more detail Those are kind of easy to look at. They're the ones that have the aerial photographs and everything else with them, the detail out the concepts of the project. So looking back to last year already a full year ago council looked at issues that they were more concerned with and there was direction through Council Act motions Adoptions at that time to proceed with the highway lane reduction and I know that one has some opponents, but the lane reduction was the One to proceed with and with the clarification to maximize the use of landscaping in that barrier as well as What type of landscaping maximizing the use of trees?

And also to coordinate with Ohio Valley Sand District, to ensure they have access to manholes. So we're doing that and proceed with a project demonstration and that's the one we secured with SCAG, the Southern California Association of Governments. For $430,000 we'll be starting a demonstration. We're just having our initial meeting next week with the goal of starting that project in May so it overlaps while school is still in session and it goes for a full six months after we start the demonstration. So that's a spectacular demo.

If perfect world would have had that demonstration a year ago but fact as we have it at this time. Additionally, council directed that the median being proposed gateway as you enter town at Kenyatta would have landscaping as a shrub type. There was some discussion about trees in there to minimize possible view blockage of the downtown businesses. And then to modify the entry to El Paseo, and that's being discussed tonight as well.

And down at the arcade to not reduce any parking or add trees along the arcade. And from Anoha Avenue between Kenyatta and Ventura not to add parking in that area so they'd be on either side we would not add parking So as a reminder, when on Maricopa Highway the bike lanes will be class one bike lanes at the Y and they will it's easier seen in a visual but there was a request by bike advocates to make it safer to get through the Y to use the landscaped area in front of Vons. You know where that shrub is that says Ojai in it? The bike lane will hug that shrub to connect the Ojai Valley Trail over to the bike trail on Maricopa.

Same thing on the other side at the Weinberger Memorial Garden, it'd be hugging the back there as well and then it'll be a class 4 bikeway starting at Cabrillo all the way to El Roblar so that's about 0.6 miles total with no barrier in front of the hospital And a two-class bikeway that will be clarified better in these pictures. Just to remember or remind everybody, class four is when you have a barrier between the travel lane and the bike way, a physical barrier.

In this case it's the exact same design from Carrillo all the way to El Roblar. It's just whether or not there's a barrier there. That actually becomes class four when there's barrier and class two when it isn't there. And so that's, the appearance of that barrier is being discussed still with Caltrans. It'll be shown in the 60% review. So the Nordoff High School entry and drop off has been a discussion with Ojai Unified School District.

So I'll show that in a little more detail but the concept, the original concept to have a new drive cut next to the athletic field For traffic going northbound, I'm sorry to be southbound towards the Y was gonna enter the parking lot. So at this time that will be for bikes and pedestrians only no cars and we have a modified entry at church which is not as solid as the dedicated bike I mean car drive cut but it's pretty good and we have Elta design consultant here to answer questions on that as well Keep in mind the whole drop-off was a concern in front of the school and we've kept all that drop off area as it were.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role52:08

Can I clarify real quick? So this is the alternate design that we're proposing now after meeting with the School District, yes

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role52:17

And that will be part of our discussion later

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed52:20

Is that the only change or is just the area in front of the school?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role52:24

That was the major change from what was approved by council previously

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed52:33

So here that is. So here's the more detailed, I think they're a little more schematic-y engineering drawings. These are moving towards the construction drawings so we're away from the aerial photography which i think is helpful but I think we all understand where it's at. I mean this is Church coming in from the north, Church Road. This is coming in from El Roblar and of course from the Y and here's the driveway cut At the high school, so this is a primary drive cut to gain access to the school. It's about 15 minutes of peak traffic in the morning and in the afternoon.

And so the concern has always been that when traffic is coming from this side from the Miners Oak side and it stacks into the driveway and if there's backup in the driveway, this northbound left turn lane can be cautious and If it's stacked at all here, they wait and that can stack up in that left turn lane. It's very rare for it to kick out past the left turn lane but it can briefly.

So our goal was to make sure that does not happen because we'll have this lane reduction and we can create bypass. You can still have a single lane and you can have room to bypass. You can essentially stripe the bike lane. You'll see often bike lanes have a dash where you're allowed to enter it and use it as a temporary lane So that's one way to get around it. But ideally, what the first approach was in our concepts was to have a drive cut over here closer to the athletic field that would bring in traffic and it would stack in the parking lot there.

That would allow this left turn northbound lane to come in freely. We would not allow any right-hand turn lanes from Miners Oaks here. So that was kind of the, I guess the grade A approach. But this is our lesser approach but still feasible and our consultant will touch on it further and we can bring the slide back up. So if we take this right-hand turn lane in the middle of that lighted area, if we use flexible delineators and stake that line and say right turn only and give them a designated lane into the parking lot And then traffic people call these elephant tracks for whatever reason.

I guess that makes sense, but the track kind of directs that traffic, the left turn lane into this pocket so now you've got two lanes into the parking lot. You can still have congestion in the parking lot which is better solved keeping separated It can stack and there's ways to manage that, and we're trying to work with the school district to help resolve issues in the parking lot. And that's part of ELTA's design scope so they will meet with them. So that was kind of a way to assure we don't have stacking in the left lane that might kick into that single-lane remaining.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed55:28

Mayor, can I ask a question while this is up? So Greg, I'm coming down the 33 and I'm gonna make a right turn into the high school. Am I correct? Right. You said that you're gonna put a barrier up that allows a right-turn lane only and is that barrier going to cross the bike lane also? So I'm going to be making a right turn on a single street over a bike lane, over a sidewalk with some form of delineation.

A high school kid getting into the parking

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed56:03

lot.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role56:05

And that's because

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed56:06

of the

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role56:06

second best approach?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed56:08

Right and as a reminder A car always has to cross, but it's true that that driveway cut we're still proposing for bikes and pedestrians because I think they can do that without. The issue with the school district is they're saying the parking lot if you eliminate a couple parking spaces for that drive cut come in. Triggers a full ADA remodel of the parking lot, which is and then we'll get

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role56:31

answers on that later in terms of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed56:33

why that is And I believe the school district might be here to discuss that as well. It'd be a question for the school district answer why that is so that that would Separate the bikes and pedestrians back here coming from the Miners Oaks side and Then you do be dealing with cars here But there's I'm sure they'll still be students that want to ride forward and possibly over to that part but the majority Would drop off here into the parking lot

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated56:57

Greg

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed57:00

what do we With cars turning right off of Maricopa Highway into the first lane and cars turning left at the same time As anybody knows, when you've got cars that are going and making sharp turns like that they don't necessarily stay in their lane. Different sized cars have a hard time making that turn radius. How do we know? I mean do we have any idea if... because this is obviously a design change from what we looked at. Do we have...I'm concerned and I wonder if we have any data that supports what kind of congestion I mean, even though they are separate lanes and even though there's elephant tracks to show them that other lane it sure seems like it would be difficult for there to be a free-flowing movement of cars into those two lanes at the same time.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed57:43

If there is good flow in the parking lot and not congestion here, and like I'm saying right there in the middle of that highlighted area, delineators here with signage saying mandatory right. So they can't proceed forward. Most drivers following the elephant tracks like you see in intersections are helpful. I get what you mean. Now what exactly would those delineators look like? So the delineators are someone like the recent ones we put on the bike trail. We got rid of the metal bollards and we went to these flexible rubber They're pretty tough now, they're amazing. They're rated for 100 hits at 70 miles per hour. I know what you're talking

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed58:15

about. The ones that are straight out of the ground and have a reflector on

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed58:18

the top? Yeah, 3-4 foot tall,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed58:19

rubbery. So by essentially with the delineators there, do you think that will separate those two lanes enough then traffic can't flow freely between the two?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed58:25

I think the majority of people going northbound on that left turn will feel comfortable as long as it's free flow in there. But some people who are more timid might be unsure of that. Most people are gonna be accustomed to driving in there, so the majority work. It's very unusual to have it stack and go outside, so a minor improvement is gonna be enough that we shouldn't see the issue.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed58:46

So again, I just want to be clear on this where we've created a bike lane. We've got a sidewalk so we got children walking to school. We've got children riding to school and now we have children driving their cars to school and they're all crossing one another right there at that point And we're hoping that the other cars coming north on Maricopa are going to navigate that turn all at the same time.

I just want to be clear, that's exactly what we're trying to achieve here.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role59:15

Can we get down the road a little

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed59:16

bit? And I think we have a drop-off zone past that point, am I correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed59:21

Right, there's also just so you know it's not on here though. There would be a cut up there would be if you're coming down Maricopa Highway they're on a bike there's a turn in for pedestrians and bikes on the sidewalk before you get to the intersection.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed59:35

So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed59:38

that because I'm agreeing with you but I think that at least if you're coming down that way earlier way to go ahead

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role59:44

And if I could just add quickly, the one thing I'll say because I think Mr. Grant's more precise than me and he won't say it but the original design was our A plus preferred design this is an alternate that we're trying to make work and we need

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role59:57

to discuss that issue

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:00:02

Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:00:03

proceed. So to clarify, all right bikes are coming they cut in back here and their dedicated drop-in zone to the parking lot to the sidewalk that's there by the stadium as Councilman Haney just mentioned along with pedestrians. The cars that want to turn in use the right turn only lane and that bollard set up there delineators will mandate that or else they drive through them which they could but it'd be unusual. And then you've got the left northbound turn lane If a parent or anybody wants to drop their high school kid off, they pull forward. They've got this one lane and they've got a drop-off lane here so they pull up to this drop-off lane alongside this buffer, this concrete median buffer and they park along this area, drop off their kids.

The kids have to walk Across that bike lane, which should be very lightly used in a school day. They'd be all dropping in back here but when schools done the The bike has a nice safe class 4 bike lane to travel past the school So that's kind of the drop-off area and otherwise up front So this is kind of hopping up to Vallerio where council requested a two-way bike lane because this neighborhood is not going to cross over, go up and cross back.

It's a short move so they were looking at a class four protected bike lane that would allow two way direction right here. So that will be ideal. We're trying to get that permitted from Church all the way down to El Roblar, but it doesn't appear that Caltrans will allow that. So here's also just a highlight. The crosswalk is the priority has a curb extension here to improve the safety of it and then it's got the Class 4 bike lane on the other side with a straight run there's no corners so there's no need for the curb extension over Here we are at Carrillo.

So this one has the corner on both sides, so a curb extension on both sides where the Class 4 bike lane is in this area. It's the bike lane plus a buffer and then there's trees or shrubs with a parking lane separating it from the driving lane. So that's the Class 4. And it comes up, it goes through the curb extension and continues straight along the curb And then the pedestrian is protected out there and has one lane to cross, the left turn lane to cross and one lane. So now the pedestrians instead of five lanes of crossing they have three when at one of them being a turn lane so it's much safer for a pedestrian.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:02:43

Can I ask a question? Are you down at the point where Ben Franklin shopping center is? Speak into your microphone a little closer Are we now at the point where the small shopping center is with Ben Franklin, bank, the laundromat, dry cleaners? Right. That's Attitude

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:03:03

Adjustment and this is Ben Franklin over here.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:03:05

Okay so my question is this when they put in the parking lot at that Ben Franklin Shopping Center somehow they didn't get a sidewalk. So are you able to what do we need to do to negotiate that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:03:19

Thank you for bringing that up. There's a sidewalk infill when it's missing, so you can see that sidewalk added right there. That's what that shaded area

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:03:28

is. How do you do that with the parking lot going to the edge of the street?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:03:32

Right Caltrans has the right-of-way for that.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:03:34

Oh good

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:03:35

It's being clarified some of the right-of way documentation is still being clarified and reviewed by a consultant in Caltrans But the right-of-way appears to give like it has on all the rest of the road. There's no way Okay, wonderful I So here it is as it comes into the Y. You can see, as I was mentioning, the bike lane will have an option to cut up here behind the bike I'm sorry, behind the trolley stop and hug the shrub.

And then up here, it'll cut across that grass area where the Christmas tree is, and that'll allow them a little safer way to get up to the crosswalk to get over the Ojai Valley Trail. If they're coming from downtown, this would allow them to come up and go by the Weinberger Garden in the back and hop over and connect to the Class 4 trail here. So that was...

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:04:31

Yeah that also allows the Arbolada people to go down that or whatever the name of that street is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:04:37

Del Norte?

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:04:38

Del Norte yeah and then make that turn without feeling like you're gonna get killed yeah it's gonna be good thank you

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:04:49

I think most of that area between the Y and here is very similar to what it is, but the shoulder gets converted to a bike lane. So it's really the median, the travel lane with a five-foot bike lane the whole way. So I didn't show a lot of detail on that, but we have it if you'd like to see it. This one was mostly to show that it's curb extension proposed here. There's no room on this side, this is that gateway landscape area we're saying kind of notifies people you've entered town slow it down so that'll really improve that crosswalk. It's better right now with the flashing beacons but still a fast area to zip into town until people get up to Blanche Ventura And then the consultant reviewed El Paseo, and for various reasons there was a consideration to shut it off or to create a big bullnose.

This improves the safety for the pedestrian so that a car would put on its blinker and turn here they would be obvious to the pedestrian And they have to really slow to make a tight turn like that. But it does maintain the grid, the local traffic grid here and instead of putting more traffic on Kenyatta and on Rincon if this was closed off so it maintains that open access to everyone. It avoids people who want to park in this area having to go up to Rincon, come back around and hit the dead end in different ways so this was recommended by the council.

Actually the council

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:06:19

asked for plans to optional plans to close that was the council direction so that did not happen correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:06:28

I thought the council direction was to consider the alternatives and have a recommendation for closure.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:06:33

Well, the previous slide said consider options for closure design options for closure. I thought it was for closure or

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:06:39

for...

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:06:39

That's not what the previous slide said but we'll talk about that later

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:06:42

okay So here we are further up. So on the left is Signal Street, so we're at the post office here. So there's already the four-way pedestrian crossings and Caltrans as a reminder has an overlay with pedestrian improvements on their project. Theirs is just to bring all the ramps up to ADA current ADA standards. So they'll be working on ADA improvements for these four corners especially as people might know when you walk from the theater across the street that's a terrible one there So they'll do what's known as a blended transition. They'll bring up the roadway to match the curb and improve the drainage at each location.

When you get to the middle of the arcade...

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:07:23

Greg, before you go past that right in front of the post office if you're walking north on the I guess that would be towards the drugstore the way that Pergola or whatever that little whatever the name of What you call that architectural feature. Is there anything that can be done so the pedestrians are a little more visible? I always worry that somebody's going to come around that corner and go east and not see anybody, and they'll be stepping off at the same time.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:07:54

I've seen people run out of the post office to make the light when someone's already started a turn.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:07:59

We've tried to work with Caltrans because we're trying to get, I think it's called lead traffic, lead pedestrian timing which would basically turn the white proceed pedestrian sign on first before the green light on north signal so it gives them a chance to come off the curb and be seen better. So we've requested that and were asked again we have not got a response on that but we're hoping they'll take that And then, so that was the one. The other part is we can put a sign on the side of the building right where the flagpole is there that basically says there was some standardized sign that says caution pedestrians blind corner. We could add that almost immediately. The post office was okay with us adding it. We just talked to them about that.

So those, I mean without removing a historic column. And it's not happening. Probably not. No, that's not happening.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:08:52

Unless the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:08:53

Council directs

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:08:54

it. Are you kidding? We want to stay too! Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:09:02

I'll do it. So up here at the crosswalk we are proposing right now this is red zone on the right and there's We move this to motorcycle on the bottom side it is used somewhat so right now it's proposed to be landscaping so if they It is good to have a clear lead zone so pedestrians seen better, but right now it would take up most of that motorcycle parking.

So if you were inclined to have us preserve maybe we should try to split it I think right now it removes most of it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:09:40

Is Greg's at an island in the center?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:09:43

No there isn't that's that median we're keeping open for emergency access.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:09:46

Okay so I got a lane next to it as what the arrows are pointing to those are vehicles or All right,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:09:55

so thank you for Pointing this out. Is that the high the curb-to-curb width narrows from the library all the way up to Jersey Mike's Because of that we can't fit the bike lanes in there So this area is considered a Sherrill area which luckily it's a very slow area generally for the city But there's not enough room to put bike lanes in so

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:10:13

what are you talking about now?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:10:16

As you're coming into town on a bike or a car, the curb-to-curb width narrows when you hit the library. So right after the library you'll see the curb kick in and it narrows so there's not enough width to keep a separate bike lane like there is from the Y all the way up to the library. So that becomes a sharrow from...

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:10:37

Oh, a sharrow.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:10:38

A sharrow, yeah.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:10:39

Okay, so that's a compromise for now?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:10:41

Right.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:10:42

Definitely a compromise, big compromise. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:10:44

know there's been some advocates that would promote removing parking but I know Council also has a Parking Committee promoting more parking so that's a

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:10:53

debate

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:10:55

we gave direction on no reduction in parking for now

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:10:59

And I was a no vote.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:11:00

I know, but it was a vote.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:11:03

For the record. Oh,

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:11:07

I feel your pain. Yeah. All right. We're all done here tonight for the year. So as a reminder of that, OK, so then we have, I think this part becomes a little bit more standard. You can see Jersey Mike's over here. The bike lane and so on doesn't leave room for a curb extension, but on the north side there is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:11:28

Greg, to the left of that crosswalk is the Chevron station and that connects to the Topatopa Brewery. Am I correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:11:37

Right. Chevron's over here. Then you go further left to the crosswalk. That's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:11:42

a danger zone right there too. There's one of those dead zones in this community where you can't see pedestrians There's is there any way that we can add striping or add something that highlights that specific crosswalk?

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:11:59

We

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:11:59

had as the higher on the third priority list, the flashing beacons at you're talking about the coffee roasting crosswalk. OK, adding flashing beacons at the coffee roasters as well as this one. Yeah, because admittably, even though we added that overhead streetlight, it's just not powerful enough to light that area up So if we have funding or if other funding developed, we could add flashing beacons or simply do it as supplemented funds from the city. I think we experienced the ones we've just done for approximately $45,000 or less without the median, but it is approximately $40,000 per crossing.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:12:36

Okay, we can use the TOT for that. It's infrastructure. Yeah, that's, yeah.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:12:44

Go ahead Greg. Ignore the muttering up there and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:12:48

we'll

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:12:48

get through

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:12:48

this. Okay so now we're up to Bald Street. This is where C-Fresh is at and this is a heavily used parking lot and a lot of activity over this way. So this is a crosswalk, a new crosswalk added here with curb extensions on it. And that was in the grant as well. This was promoted by bike advocates as a primary north-south on the east end of town, so this would allow bicyclists to use this as a primary way to come down. It'd be a dedicated pedestrian crosswalk and next to it would be the green bike and then across the front of the Ojai Beverage Company in Napa and then take Fulton down to the bike trail.

Same thing northbound. They can use a pedestrian crosswalk, the bike crossing and give them some extra visibility to go northbound and drown. So that is the east side dedicated combo for pedestrians and bicyclists. We're actually looking at doing this at Ventura Street as well on the west side of town. And then as you get out here at Fulton Street, that would be an improved crosswalk as well. So that would give pedestrian enhancements up there on both sides so it's higher visibility.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:14:08

May I request that we are allowed to comment as we go through it because we're going to forget and now We have the map in front of us. I think councilmember

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:14:16

Well, we have

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:14:17

15

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:14:17

cards from the public that way we're gonna

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:14:19

need to

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:14:19

get two years shortly So we'll make you know if you

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:14:22

can why Councilmember Wyrick had a question?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:14:25

No, I have a process question

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:14:28

when

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:14:28

he's done

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:14:29

Okay, well, I do is a

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:14:30

general process question

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:14:31

I don't know if you mentioned this, Greg, if I missed it. This is very critical to get kids safely to Topatopa School that are on the other side. All of this is part of the larger plan so that every child has a safe route to school. I think that needs to be emphasized. This is really

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:14:53

if we can complete the staff report and get the comments from the public then we can take it back for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:14:57

deliberation. We are right at the end here I just highlighting that same thing these are the kind of features that are in this 35% pulling it together so this allows its oriented towards bike and pedestrians but bikes come up on the right side This is ideal for pedestrians and bikes to cross the street, and then they could come back over and up or wherever they're going. Same thing coming down park, they can cross with curb extensions get over and get onto Bryant if that's where they're heading.

And so we did have those secondary priority improvements I just covered them while we were there About the post office curb extension correcting the wheelchair issue Caltrans is handling that The modified entry from Ojai Avenue westbound El Paseo at the consultant recommended the larger curb extension and in the concept versus shutting the street down and then a gateway into town That we landscape it and so on as described. So I think we've already covered that And then we have third priority, and that's where you just mentioned there The highest on that list being RFBs at the Arcade, the one you just mentioned as well as Montgomery Street.

And then in the future projects we have Shady Lane crosswalk to that unimproved Allison Lane bikeway as well as curb extensions on Maricopa Highway some that we can't afford right now. So I think that is the primary, along with at the last council meeting, the council approved the truck management plan. So the consultant Alta who's here has just started on that with Caltrans and that will delineate where trucks go, the routes are and what curb extensions can be maximized while they're not limiting. It is important to notice Practically all of Caltrans roads are rated for 65 foot, they call them KPRA, the kingpin to rear axle ratio.

So the kingpin is where that swivels right in the back of the truck. Back to the rear axle, 65 is a very large truck. Most of Caltrans highways are rated for 65 foot. Certain roads are advisory. So 33 and 150 are advisory roads. Anything over 30 foot is not advised but they do it all the time right? You see trucks over 30 foot. 30 foot is approximately that Giordano's type truck that delivers to a lot of the restaurants downtown.

But the 65 are the really extra large ones, and they take a lot of room up. So if you're going to design roads every turn for that, that's a huge radius. It's difficult for pedestrians. And that's where this truck management plan that ALTA is working on with Caltrans, we'll come back to you and delineate what that is, will outline for us.

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:17:46

How are we going to integrate the information and public experience from the demonstration project into the design phase that are occurring concurrently? The whole idea of the demonstration project is for the public to experience, and for council to help with that process of organizing that public experience through public processing getting it into informing the design process. I don't see anything about that in this staff report.

The scope included that for ALTA. I didn't see it in the staff report about how precisely the information was going to get to ALTA from the public experience of the design process during that same phase period over the next six months or so. Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:18:30

it's in the scope for ALTA for the design effort and it's in the scope for the

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:18:34

But how precisely are we going to organize that information process, that public process?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:18:39

It doesn't sound like we have an answer for that particular question right at this point but he understands the issue.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:18:44

We do understand the issue and I think we're trying to work concurrently because we need move through with a design on it and we'll have to tweak or redesign certain features that we find.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:18:54

And I would appreciate a plan coming to council To approve that process because that's really is a council decision as to making sure that process occurs.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:19:02

Okay, well when we take it under deliberation We'll come back to this. We need to let the public have their opportunity Is there anything the city manager wants to add before I start? okay, Linda Harmon you are up and Leonard Clay if you're on deck about that ** Two minutes. We have over 15 cards. Okay, yeah. And ditto is okay too.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:19:29

** I want to make a request regarding the two minutes. If someone is providing new information that's essential to understanding the plan...

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:19:39

We can come back to that and you can ask the question during the deliberation. Let's just stay with it Yeah, I will not shut them off mid-sentence but two minutes is a courtesy to all the other folks Go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:19:51

I'm here to basically support the process. I think it's wonderful. I am so glad you're going ahead with it I have a couple concerns from the updates one is that there's you're considering not doing landscaping at the entryway to downtown Ojai Because of some complaint of a one business owner or whatever To me it's our city and its entry point and getting people to slow down is one of the big priorities And as you already had Garrett come forward Earlier tonight, I'm also a member of Ojai Trees and one of our big things has been to try to get more trees into our city environment. Not only to slow people down traffic wise but make it more pedestrian and bicycle friendly, to lower the heat impact that we're facing. It's hotter every year So I really hope you consider putting in as many trees as we can allow and all through the plan.

And I know Greg's been working on it really hard. And the truck thing, I read all of the listings on the website today and I didn't get a link for the truck study you're doing so I'd be interested in seeing is that on the website too?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:21:06

Part of the last packet, but we can we can make that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:21:09

okay because I noticed when I'm working downtown Right now a lot of those big really long trucks are parking in the median Instead of I don't know where they're supposed to park. I would hope it would be behind The arcade and unloading their beverages and beer because there's more and more beer trucks Because when they're parking in the median there You can't see people crossing on the crosswalk. They're really noisy as a person that works downtown I'm sure the retailers aren't thrilled about that We can't ever leave our door open because it's so dang noisy with all the big huge trucks So anyway, that was another comment they had but thank you for all your hard work.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:21:48

Thank you Linda Okay Lenny Europe and Is this is it Diana Blanchard And then you're on deck

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:21:58

Leonard Clay 412 North Filton Street. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to Commissioner Chief of Police. I too support the plan. I'm glad it's going forward. Thank you to Greg Grant and everybody else involved in moving this along in what has been a very tedious process for all I'm sure But we gotta get it not perfect, but we gotta get it as good as we possibly can knowing it's not going to be perfect because that's just not possible. What I wanted to talk about is, I mentioned this once before cause I've heard lots of complaints about people concerned about slowing down traffic on Maricopa in terms of emergency evacuations and ambulances, and today I was in that area. It took me 12 seconds at 30 miles an hour to get from turning right from Ojai Avenue onto Maricopa, 12 seconds at 30 miles an hour to get to the hospital.

If traffic was slowed to 15 miles per hour. It would therefore take 30 seconds, an extra 15 seconds. If traffic was slowed to seven and a half it would still be 36 seconds so in difference of 24 seconds. And it is conceivable that that 24 second delay could cost a life but it's highly unlikely And much more likely is that lives and the health of our citizens and visitors will be much better protected by slowing down traffic. That's what saves lives, not an extra 20 seconds on an emergency run.

So again thank you all for all your work on this. Keep pushing forward even if it's not perfect and let's get this done.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:24:05

Okay thanks Lenny. Okay, Diana you're up and Garrett. You're on deck

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:24:13

Good evening everyone Thank you for being here really appreciate your time and involvement and investment in our lovely town I just do want to express my gratefulness for everybody taking time to Consider children, pedestrians, bicycle riders and upgrading Ojai's travel system particularly Ojai Avenue. And keeping everybody safe I am in I concur with everyone so far in it being a positive reflection for our city to have a safe route and complete streets to get kids to school safely I've taught bicycle skills to many a child over the years. I'm a league cycling instructor and I want to promote that for a greener planet, and I just want to say that I think it's a positive change for our town and I hope that we can continue In the way that we have been going and it's a positive one.

And thank you so much, I'm in support.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:25:26

Okay, thank you, Dan. Garrett, you're up and Russell Sidney, you're on deck.

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CommentGarrett CliffordProposedself-stated1:25:36

I'm a member of Ojai Cyclists, been cycling for many years. I love cycling in Ojai and I am so excited that we're going to allow those little more timid cyclists to get out there and give it a try because it's a wonderful sport but one thing You go to any small town and you drive by a school, and typically that road is a slow road. It's not a four-lane highway, the biggest, fastest driven on road in the entire city runs right in front of our high school. So we need to close it down, we need to slow it down, and we need to plant trees. Thank

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:26:13

you. Thanks Gary. Russell, you're up. And I can't read the first name but McCarthy, yeah, you're on deck.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:26:22

Thank you, Honorable Counsel. Russell Sidney Miramonte. I wanted to make sure you knew the state source of revenues for the active transportation program have been verified as coming from the cap and trade auctions not other auto revenue. This revenue is specifically to fund greenhouse gas reduction projects. The legislation for the program calls for the funds to support people bicycling and walking through safety programs with a strong emphasis on developing safe routes to school.

The Complete Streets Committee has a detailed plan for safe routes to Topatopa, including an addendum focused on the need for safety at key intersections on Ojai Avenue and Maricopa. This addenda is going to the Planning Commission and should end up with you soon. It specifically identifies the need for safe routes to school crossings at specific locations, and so that would be the basis for a request. The request is to please make bicycle highway and pedestrian safety enhancement crossings for safe routes to school A priority one consideration under the grant guidelines, specifically for crossings at Fulton and Round, Ventura Avenue, Country Club on Ojai Avenue as well as two directional access to Nordoff from Miner's Oaks Valley Rio Church and church on Maricopa.

This is becoming part of a vision That Ohio creates an active transportation system based on walking bicycles, electric bicycles and emerging technologies to safely and efficiently move around Ojai. The system uses an overlay of safety enhanced routes The foundation for that would be the Safe Routes to School, where Nordoff students from every neighborhood have a safety enhanced route to ride to their school which allows them to get home again. This would also be true for Matilla High students and children who go to all four elementary schools.

The result of all this would be reduced local parking in downtown, more desirable ecotourism activity, better air quality, a lower cost of living, improved overall health and fitness, and less traffic from locals. All of this adds up to a significant climate crisis mitigation.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:28:50

Thank you Russell. Okay Mr. McCarthy and Dr. Rogoff, if I've got that correct you are on deck.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:28:59

Mr. Mayor and Council and staff thank you for taking the time for this evening. I am a Ojai resident and an active walker in Ojai and I share many of the goals of Mr. Grant and the committee that's put forward this proposal. I think there's a lot of good in the proposal But what I am concerned about is what is being proposed for Maricopa Highway. And as I talk with my friends and colleagues about Maricopa Highway, I realize that very few people that I know know what is going on. So there's a group of us that are hoping to expand the outreach to members of the Ojai community who are not aware of what's going on If they became aware, we believe would be very concerned. So we have established a new website Save Maricopa Highway. We have social media will be doing outreach perhaps door-to-door and we hope to expand the awareness and through that get a better solution for Maricopa Highway again I don't think it's a Disagreement over goals, but I think it may be a disagreement over Means that we would like to see improved.

Thank

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:30:19

you. Okay. Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:30:23

you

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:30:23

Could you be specific why you what are your concerns about the lane reduction? Oh

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:30:31

I think it's a mistake to take one lane out of Maricopa Highway. I would rather see a smart bike lane creation with maybe a soft barrier or something that gives the bikers, cyclists, a safe way to travel up and down the Maricopa Highway. I understand

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:30:54

that. I just want to know what is your concern? What are you concerned about?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:31:00

Some of the same points that were raised when Mr. Grant was doing his presentation, it's a very busy stretch of road particularly at certain times of the day there is the possibility that we would have development on that open lot and I think those of us who travel and visit Vaughan's parking lot realize that part of the intersection Can be crazy and frankly is crazy. So I think it's a mistake, I think there are many good things we can do to achieve safety for walkers and for cyclists that don't require putting up a permanent barrier to eliminate what's called the slow lane.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:31:39

Okay thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:31:46

Mr. Mayor, Council, Herb Rogoff, North Signal Street.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:31:51

Okay and Kelly Pascoe you're on deck.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:31:54

I'm here tonight in support of safe highways for both bicyclists as well as pedestrians and motorists as well but i also need to bring some attention regarding some potential health and safety concerns particularly on the Maricopa section let me start by giving you a potential real-life scenario Let's say you live in a downtown area and you notice one of your loved ones suddenly has symptoms of a stroke.

You call 911, the ambulance arrives, they agree, they put you in the rig, take you to the hospital, you take your right turn onto Maricopa Highway. And it's a Friday night, Nordoff has a tremendous championship game. Now that you have one lane in each direction, the traffic is backed up in both ways The ambulance, unlike 33 where cars could pull over to the side on the left side, cars can't pull into the median strip. To the right side you now have cars that are parked with trees so it's difficult for them to get access to the bike lane to proceed.

Now you might say I know the gentleman talked about seconds really doesn't matter but I'm here to debate that. Seconds do matter. You're born with several almost a bit over a billion neuro cells for your brain For every minute that you delay getting to the hospital to get life-threatening intervention, clot busting agents, you lose 2 million cells per minute.

If you have a cardiac arrest, minutes count, 30 seconds count and a lot of other life threatening diseases such as heart attacks, choking children, people with significant asthma, they need to get the medical care that the EMS cannot solely provide for themselves. So what I did when this all started and I learned about this, I went back and looked at the data from the state repository. The TIMS database which does reports of all the collisions that occur in the area. And I looked at Maricopa Highway Between the years of 2006 and 2018, December 31st there were three bicycle accidents.

All three were cited to be the bicyclist's fault. Interestingly they're all people in their late 50s and early 60s one was intoxicated one was going down the wrong way. There are no serious injuries or fatalities however when I looked at the data on Ojai Avenue There are most of the collisions were occurring and that's where the problem seems to be. So I'm not against ATP on Maricopa Highway, but I think we need to be very smart and take into consideration the public health and welfare people that have emergencies that they get to get to the hospital.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:34:31

Thank you doctor Kelly Europe and John Lamar year on deck

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed1:34:39

Thank you. I'm gonna keep it brief, there's been a lot of great speakers here. I moved here 20 years ago got involved in bike advocacy because of my children. I was hoping that this would be a beautiful town for them to ride around and safely sadly not much has changed in 20 years but right now we're on the brink of making that happen Will speak to the fact that I daily commute my kids do I do on that on Maricopa Highway and It is a dangerous road. There's been a lot of close calls. I can go into multiple Instances or that? I won't bore everybody on but life-and-death situations Keeping it brief I just hope that the people for, what is it called? Saving Maricopa Highway.

If they get their way, I hope that they don't have a child's blood on their hands. It's that serious. Thank

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:35:39

you. John Lamar, you're up and Eileen, you're on deck.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:35:49

I think it's important to thank the staff and thank the council. This is a massive amount of work, and we really appreciate all the work that you guys do to help our community. So the ATP project is long time coming, and there's a lot of important aspects about it. One of them right now with a lot of people here they're talking about Their concerns about Maricopa Highway.

I wanted to just talk about an article that was in Forbes magazine by Bruce Wiley and the title of it is what is the number one killer of people ages 5 to 29? And what we learn is that his road traffic injuries, this affects mostly young people. This particular articles shows There were 1.35 million deaths in 2016 alone, 26% of these or 351,000 were pedestrians and bicyclists so this is a big problem it's getting bigger and so I live in Miners Oaks and I know people who will not travel on Maricopa Highway, they will ride their bike or walk their bike on the sidewalk. They will not go on Maricopa Highway because They feel like the cars go too quickly. So let's take a scenario, there is a young person who drives probably faster than most people and there is a slow car in the fast lane and they take the slow lane to speed up which I have seen somewhere between 50 and 60 miles per hour Just because they don't want to wait for that person.

And so the slow lane is loose uses a fast lane Well, we happen to know that near Kenyatta Street This is how someone was killed recently who was going by across Ojai Avenue and the motorcyclist didn't want to wait for the car that was slowing down for the wheelchair woman And so it sped up around the car

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:37:56

and speak to the council place

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:37:58

sped up around the car And didn't kill the woman instantly, but later she was killed. And this is a lot of the things that we have to deal with in Ojai because Ojai has been designed for cars. It hasn't been designed to be safe for pedestrians and we need it to be designed for pedestrians and bicyclists. And so just as what Kelly said earlier if I was a parent of an injured or worst child And I found out that these well-designed, very caringly considered design improvements for safety in Ojai were stopped or delayed where the funding was screwed up because of this delay.

And I found out after my child was injured, that it was because some people didn't want to take a little bit longer time to get to someplace they're going. Or if they didn't want to lose their view.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:39:00

Fantastic. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:39:03

Or if they didn't want to lose the view of the mountains We can't be responsible, like we're not... Yeah. Okay,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:39:12

we get the point. If this were to happen... Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:39:14

If this were to happen I would see it as a failure of our community, of myself and of everyone in this room.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:39:24

Okay. Thank you. The point is well made. Eileen and Kathy Nolan, you're on deck.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed1:39:34

I think that a lot of the people here are like, what is she doing on the other side?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:39:41

Which side are you on?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed1:39:45

Well, I'm actually very much in favor of bike lanes and very much in favor of pedestrian access and everything. I've been no high resident almost my whole life except for a couple of exits here and there. I've ridden a bicycle to school since third grade to Nordoff every day, through college at UC Davis because you don't have any choice there and into adulthood. I have ridden all over Ojai many many many times. I live on Montana Road. I have gone up and down Maricopa Highway countless times.

I've taken my children on Maricopa Highway. I've been down that road I have to say, I think bike lanes there would be very, very important. A lot of the cars take that whole 20-foot section and drive right down the middle of it. But I think there's some compromises that can be made. I think with the center median and narrowing it down to one lane you are going to get more congestion than you think.

I don't see looking at that plan how an emergency vehicle can get by. I don't think that we're considering yet the traffic impact of the continuing care center and that very dense senior housing unit or senior housing development on El Roblar. I believe that has 200 units, there's going to be a lot of people going back and forth out of that place. I don't know if there have been any studies on how much more traffic there's going to be. There are a lot more patients at the Continuing Care Center, what studies have there been on the traffic there?

And I don�t know what we have to gain versus what we have to lose. Herb mentioned emergency vehicle access. Who is to say what's more of a problem? Maricopa Highway has been very, very safe over the last 40 years. There have been a few accidents no matter what we do there's going to be accidents But we're sidelining and putting in priorities two and three, crosswalks at Drown Street. I mean that's a no brainer. I mean crosswalks are a no brainer. No crosswalk at El Roblar?

Why? That is a tough intersection. That's why my kids don't walk to school because of a crosswalk there and putting a class four bike lane is not gonna let me let them go across that street We need crosswalks, we need lighting. Choking down Maricopa Highway for a Class 4 bike lane when there's really not a lot of places to go. You're coming from El

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:42:56

Rotary.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed1:43:10

Emergency access is restricted and we will get more congestion. Congestion equals accidents as it happens in downtown Ojai. That's not my question.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:43:23

Okay, thank you No, we're not going to get into a debate other people have an opportunity first then we'll come back Bob Quinn I know Kathy Nolan's up Bob Quinn's on deck

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed1:43:37

Mayor, Councilmembers, staff and Chief Rivera, Kathy Nolan. I'm here as the Planning Commissioner tonight and Chair of the Complete Streets Committee. Our committee was actually formed in 2010 and in 2011 I became the chair We actually helped write the policy and the master plan for the city of Ojai and have been basically act as an advisory board so to speak For the Planning Commission, and then our recommendations ultimately go to City Council But I'm here tonight to say that I'm in favor personally of the ATP and I'm here representing our committee which not only has included other planning commissioners all within the Brown Act. We've had City Council members drop in, members of the Buildings Appeals Board and always members of the public so we've had public input for all these years which I think is really crucial and important but I also wanted to say that This ATP grant helps meet state goals by lowering vehicle miles traveled, by lowering carbon emissions and potentially reducing traffic.

And then it also meets some of the city requirements which would be in our policy and our master plan and our circulation element and also the newly formed Climate Emergency Mobilization Committee. It meets some of those standards also And it has been mentioned earlier, but I wanted to reiterate that it really meets the safe routes to school. Issues and I think that's super important and I did want to say that I'm in favor of the lane reduction And I am a mother and a grandmother and I do have family on that side of the highway including my grandson and Also, if possible. I'm in favor of option A and that's the entry at North High School If that does come back into the conversation, thank

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:45:33

you Thank You Kathy. Okay Bobby Europe and Jeff I always worry about this Otter, Otterbine. I was going to say Otterbean, Otterbine, okay Bob. Good

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed1:45:44

evening everyone my mode of transportation is often the automobile but i'm also a pedestrian and a cyclist and i'm here to support the benefits the ATP project is bringing to the users of all modes of transportation I'm here to express my thanks to everyone who's worked on the project, from the staff to members of the public and the council. I appreciate their work to make our streets more functional for all of us.

And I'd also like to thank Greg Grant for all the time he's spent In educating us about the project, I know he's made this presentation numerous times to numerous groups and I really appreciate all the time he spends doing it. And I appreciate his providing opportunities for input from all of us during the numerous public outreach meetings and presentations that have occurred over the last five years.

I also want to express my appreciation to the ATP grant team for providing the upcoming demonstration project, to give us all an opportunity to better envision plans and to give us the opportunity to help polish up the details. And I also appreciate all of the thoughtful comments I've heard this evening. Thank you very

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:47:07

much. Thanks, Bob. Jeff, you're up. And Reno, you're on deck.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed1:47:13

Good evening, Jeff Otterbein. I have to come a few more times huh?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:47:17

Right yeah well at my stage that may not help.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed1:47:22

So my main concern as you know is the climate our climate emergency that's happening. I'm totally in favor of the ATP because i think that'll get more of us on bicycles and that's a major major way to help us out on this climate situation Also want to say thank you for all your work, thanks to the Complete Streets Committee and everybody coming here to support this. Thank you very much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed1:48:02

Welcome, congratulations chief. Thank you It's really nice to see everyone and I just have to say thank you for all the hard work You do I'm here to quickly just voice my support For the ADP. I think it's amazing. I think it's a wonderful thing For the community. You've heard me speak on this before I love the progress that's been made so I do respect the opposition. I think it's been Productive but I do want to sort of remind My neighbors and community members City Council This is an opportunity to correct a mistake.

This wasn't intended to be a four-lane highway going by the school here, it was engineered as a four lane highway to support a project that never happened with all due respect I think fighting to save a mistake I think we could perhaps put our efforts into something more productive that may end up benefiting the community a lot better so I think it's incredible. I love the change at Kenyatta and El Paseo, that's a dangerous intersection. I travel that way a lot, a lot of cars anticipate and they'll just you know that someone's gonna turn or go straight and they just shoot right up El Paseo. I'm surprised more accidents haven't happened. I think that was brilliant. I really really sincerely appreciate the hard work, division of FUSA, Kathy Nolan especially Greg and I would just love to see this get done thank you.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:49:19

Thanks Reno

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:49:21

Joe.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:49:21

I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed1:49:23

haven't seen you in a while,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:49:24

Joe. Welcome.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed1:49:27

Thank you. I didn't hear about this meeting until about 630. I really haven't talked to anyone about what the plans are. I'd heard just briefly someone. I serve on the board of Hitching Post Estates and someone came to tell us some things about it but the board never discussed it. I live at 410 Church Road. And I've been there for 43 years. And if anyone has traveled down Church Road, you've traveled down Parry to Ojai to the county and through that there probably is no one...I've been doing it for 43 years. I served 13 years in the Gold Coast Transit. Chaired the board for four years. I served four years on VCTC and chaired that board one year, 24 years on the council and five years sitting where you're sitting now. And this is the first time that I have ever appeared before the council in 10 years since I left.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:50:23

You knew better

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed1:50:24

right? Always had a suit and tie on! I also served, I don't know whether you still have that committee, 11 years on the Highway 33 Committee. And it's interesting because of sitting one time and we always had a highway patrolman, the people in Oakview and down Casita Springs talked about the people in Ojai how they're rich people, they're snobbish and they go down charging through our cities and the highway patrolman spoke up and said The tickets we give to people are from people Casita Springs.

Okay, I have put over 1,000 miles on a bicycle going out to Bryant Street and I have crossed that road many times on my bicycle getting down to the corner and after the bicycle trail. I have also spent 4,000 miles on my moped going out to San Antonio School Uh, and highway, the Maricopa Highway is extremely unsafe. Doctor, I had a former student, Dr. Fred Favre's son who was walking across from the bicycle or from swimming practice and he was killed there.

There are two things that you need to be aware of and this is not this, is you probably have had a lot of problems on Parry or Church Road where you have sets of doubles who go up and they get stuck on that road. Well what's happened is when the hospital developed The long-term care facility behind the hospital. They put on their GPS that you could go up Pirie Road and you could go into the hospital property, and you can't do it. And I see people all the time do that. One of the things that I would recommend that you do Each one of you ride a bicycle down Church Road, and you'll make sure that it gets paved. Randy, you had one comment about Ojai Avenue. One of the worst intersections there is right there in Coffee Roasting and Julia Rose as you tried to cross.

I picked up my wife three times a week She worked in Julia Rose and what happens in front of those two buildings There's only one parking place that's painted red, and it took me About three or four years to get the public works director to paint two parking places Because read because you can't see West when you're coming down the road. Thank you for what you're doing and thank you Joe.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:53:10

Good to see you Joe Okay, that's all the cards I have so we're gonna take it back to council Sousa I cut you off a little earlier. It's your opportunity to ask more questions or Say what's on your

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:53:23

mind? Okay, I'll get oh, I'm sure I'll think of my question I think it's important to address the concerns about the lane reduction. The primary concern has to do with emergency vehicles, as you've stated The lane reduction has been discussed at the Disaster Council and both chiefs agreed that it provides no extra hazard as it is only 4,000 yards approximately one-fourth mile out of an 18 mile drive to Ventura.

And emergency services such as highway patrol, police, fire and ambulance have also stated that they could easily close down the bike lane and street parking aisle. And have a second lane if needed during emergencies. All these issues, the sanitation district is aware it's been approved, it's been vetted by every agency including the school That we needed to legally contact. It's been vetted and there are no issues with reducing the lane change that they have come up with, so that's the first thing I want to say. And then second, the second thing I want to emphasize is that, and I heard Eileen mention that she rode her bike with children. This plan is for the novice cyclists, the seasoned cyclists. This should

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:55:00

be amongst

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:55:01

us. We're deliberating

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:55:02

not to...

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:55:03

Well I just think that they raised issues and concerns. Right but you can do that with us as well. I'll look over here. Okay I just want to say that I challenge those of you who questioned the need to reduce the lane. I challenge you... You're

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:55:19

challenging the audience and that's

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:55:21

not what this is for. But the point is What's missing from this discussion is the vision that by reducing the lanes, by putting in protected bike lanes we're going to reduce traffic. Everybody is talking about how reducing the lanes is going to cause traffic congestion. I think it's gonna have the opposite effect. In communities that are truly bicycle safe and friendly 40 to 50% of the kids ride their bikes to school. That's a lot of traffic.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:55:58

Those are all,

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:55:59

okay we appreciate that. Did you have any

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:56:02

questions of staff?

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:56:03

No I'm going to just talk okay

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:56:07

Well, you have. I'll tell you what, we'll put a timer on but we need to give others a chance or two. Can

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:56:14

we give her three minutes?

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:56:15

Wait, I get my three minutes just like any other member of the public or an elected official. I think it's really important for those...I do want to address It seems like everyone is in agreement except for the lane reduction. That's my take. Everyone wants safer intersections, safer

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:56:38

crosswalks.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:56:40

We

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:56:40

need to put some order to this. Do we have a motion of some sort? What is the ask from staff?

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:56:47

I resent being cut off. This is so important. I know, but you are lecturing

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:56:52

the audience and the

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:56:53

council

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:56:53

we don't even have a motion on the floor. So I understand

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:56:57

your

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:56:57

for this. Let

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction1:56:58

me finish my train of thought which is that I want everyone that opposes lane reduction to ride their bike with a group of school-aged children during peak commuter traffic when the commuters leave town when the parents are dropping off kids If you can negotiate that amount of traffic with school-aged children, with a big bike cart, with a couple of kids. You know, with 50 kids behind you...

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:57:27

You made your point here. You favor the project. Okay, Bill?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:57:33

Mayor, I'd like to ask a question of the School District that would inform possible motions. Okay, and that is that the assertion is made in the staff report that there was a triggering of extensive rework of the parking lot to make ADA at significant costs if the optimal design was followed. And my understanding listening to the staff report is that was why ALTA was directed to do a suboptimal design without that first coming to council for our deliberation on that matter. And so I'd like to know what the basis is for that assertion?

Yeah, I'd like to

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:58:16

If you'd like to answer it, you know because he asked the question doesn't mean you have to answer right?

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated1:58:21

Well good evening mayor City Council members. I'm Tiffany Morris I'm the superintendent of Ojai public schools and before I get started I just want to remind you that our school board was in favor of this in 2018 we passed a resolution of support So we're on the same side Having safe routes to school is important for us, having kids biking and walking to school safely is part of our mission where in our values where we want environmental stewardship and we want wellness for our students. So we are here to support you in this.

I may not be able to answer all of your questions because I'm not a traffic engineer in my day job but I came to listen and I can bring stuff back to staff and I can share with you where we are and where I think we are right now. So if we had that cut out on that kind of stadium side of Nordoff, we would have cars coming in there and they would have to cross the parking lot and the main flow of traffic to get over to the drop-off zone in front of F wing. That's pretty much where everybody drops off.

That requires us to do a lot of reworking of traffic inside of our parking lot We're not opposed to that, but that requires some additional funding. Anytime that we are having an installation of new parking areas, installation of new surface over existing parking areas or removal and replacement of existing parking area service, that could trigger an access review from the Division of State Architecture. That access review would require us to bring our entire parking lot in our ingress and egress up to current It's

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:00:10

Parking lots in the private sector on that exact point in terms of having to do an access review And the access reviews are focused on the put on the axe on the path of travel Not on the entire parking lot. So they're focused on specific paths of travel issues so You know when you when you get to that, that's that sort of something that we all should be doing anyway and I'm

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GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:00:52

require us to look at those paths of

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:00:54

travel. So what

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GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:01:14

we've found in working with the Division of State Architecture is that if we want to make one change, it often opens up an entire project for review and we simply don't have a line item in our budget to do a parking lot review.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:01:25

So was the issue in terms of doing an optimal design which certainly would involve pickup and drop-off outside of a highway right-of-way? Funding solely funding?

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:01:38

We would want to consider the options and make sure that that's a good access. We haven't done a parking lot review of our own to know where that path of

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:01:45

travel would be. My concern is that we've never seen the optimal design. The council has not been presented with the optimal design, we've not have been able to have a discussion with the school system about an optimal design at the council-to-board level is my understanding. I mean we certainly haven't had it presented to us and it seems to me that we ought to start with optimal design And see if we could work together to achieve that before we immediately go to suboptimal design.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:02:12

Okay, before Mr. City Manager, what specifically do we... What kind of decisions are we making this evening?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:02:22

We wanted to raise this issue because we do want to make sure we talk about it before we get too far down the road.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:02:28

So is this the main thing that we're to discuss tonight? The main thing

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:02:33

is to receive the 35% report and the report on the priorities, to approve those but then we also wanted to make sure we had council feedback on this particular issue

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:02:45

OK, so Bill's made a good point. And that is does this trigger that? And if it does trigger that, I understand the school district has budgetary difficulties just like most agencies do. Then that would raise the question of- And we have

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:03:03

an issue to discuss.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:03:04

Right, well in the design. In

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:03:06

terms of maybe how we fund the optimal design if we want to pursue that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:03:10

Well let's be honest. It might change whether we approve this project or not.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:03:15

But I guess you see the direction. At

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:03:17

the sake of being dishonest, I don't know

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:03:20

if... I'm 100% with that comment Ryan. Well let me finish my comment before we go further because our direction was to have an optimal design presented to us. And it seems to me that that's a public process that should consider optimal design before we go as part of this public process. And I think that's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:03:39

important. Well, optimal has to be within the restrictions of these other agencies.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:03:43

Wait, wait, wait. I do not think this community should pursue how we address the community need by accepting jurisdictional balkanization when we have an opportunity of looking at things optimal for the community.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:04:00

So Mayor, just real quickly Bill I think your argument is sound. It's a good argument. The problem is they have nothing to do with Highway 33 with the lane closure. They don't have a problem If we don't do this. Your argument is the only way that we can do this and do this right, is if we require the school board to invest in an alternative entrance. I just disagree with your premise. Hold

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:04:38

it guys Bill let me be on your side. I know this is unusual What what bill is suggesting is, is that we don't know what the other choice is Then we don't have an opportunity to make a judgment as to whether or not it be funded in some other fashion Not just put the burden on the school district.

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:04:59

And to be clear our School Board hasn't seen that option either so staff has recommended against that based on our current funding situation

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:05:09

I'd love to say this is some new problem that just occurred, but I spoke with our city manager how many months ago when this was identified. It's not like this is new. The reality is the school district has not done anything to determine whether this is a problem or not. They just said it might be a problem and we're not going to do it. So we can either sit here and wait for them after months and months and months where this was a problem, and it was not addressed whatsoever. Or we can move forward under the criteria that is they're not going to help us with this. Their answer is don't bring it up. We're worried that the state is going to make a whole bunch of problems. Now I read it and go if you're worried about the entire parking lot meeting ADA requirements sounds like that's a problem that should probably get fixed anyway.

And why not do it at the time? But if you can't afford it, you can afford it. But I'm not inclined to sit here and let this other ATP money move on. We've already tried this, it's been discussed. I knew about this for months and months and months that they weren't going to let us do the cutout there. It didn't come

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:06:03

to council?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:06:04

Well what are we...what is it gonna come...it went to their board and they're the ones who said it didn't.

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:06:09

It hasn't been to council or the board.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:06:11

Well the staff, I mean obviously the staff has informed the city that it's not an option. The council and the board govern things, not the staff. Our council can't change whether they have the money to do this or not. It hasn't been to their board. Well,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:06:23

but we've known about this for months I mean what do you want to do? We don't even have the cost so we don't know who's going to pay for it. Who's gonna pay for the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:06:30

design?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:06:31

It's very frustrating. Let's work together! I mean we're trying to help the school district here and it feels very difficult that this is a monkey wrench thrown at the end for something that we offer to pay for as far as a cutout so we could alleviate some of the traffic problem Specifically in front of Nordoff as we're closing one of the lanes down and in the last minute without a boat from the school district board, it's that you can't do it. And this is a huge problem because I don't trust that design the way I trusted the design we had before. That cutout when we had this debate in 2019 in January That was a very important aspect to it. And now we're just saying, oh, we changed the design without really any significant review other than I do appreciate that Greg is trying to separate that right turn lane.

So why don't

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:07:12

we have an optimal community look at an optimal design? What is wrong with that? Well, do we have time for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:07:19

that, Greg?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:07:20

Has anybody talked with the state architect's office

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:07:23

So we haven't, we don't have a plan to present to them to say. I

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:07:30

suppose if there is a motivation to do this that one could go up and talk to the state architect from the city to find out whether or not there's any possible compromise here. I don't think the state architect is going to want to stop a safety project because it didn't improve or upgrade the parking lot. On the other hand, if it's making it less safe they definitely would say

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:07:54

no. We went into a rendition of the problems of the suboptimal design in your presentation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:08:00

Ryan? I agree with you but what you're missing here is the school district had months of this idea in hand and hadn't been bring it to us They didn't ask the architect themselves. They haven't reached out to anybody to find out if this is a real problem. They've said no, to me the answer's pretty clear. The school district doesn't want to work with us on this particular part of

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:08:16

the city. If I can just stop because that's not an entirely fair characterization we met six months ago. We actually asked that the city consider a left-hand turn at Pirie because one of our issues is the U-turns that happen from the hospital and they occur right in the middle of our most critical intersection so we have U-turns happening there and then when we want to go to the east end staff parking lot Staff also has to do a u-turn there. So we'd ask the city if we consider the cutout Would you be able to potentially consider? alleviating the traffic on that left hand to do A Left hand turn lane or u-turn so that that traffic is just rerouted away from the main entrance to school So that's where we ended the conversation My understanding is that tonight is a 35% review and that we're here to continue the conversation.

But this plan didn't address any of those, that left-hand turn issue in the U-turn issue which is really important to us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:09:14

If months ago the determination was, hey we can't even ask the state to do this because it will potentially kick in all of these other requirements that we can't afford. The school districts told us then it sure sounds to me like they didn't even want to ask and that it's over well are we gonna revisit this now months this should if this was a real problem that we were going to alleviate it was it's been known for months And I just feel like if you go to another agency and they say, hey we can't even ask.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:09:41

Okay but are you suggesting that this suboptimal design is acceptable to you?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:09:47

No, I'm suggesting that the idea that it's not already been decided that the optimal version is not going to

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:09:53

happen. So just to be clear there's nothing to ask because we haven't seen a design. We would take a design...

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:09:59

But it sounds to me Ryan like you're suggesting at this late date Because we're not getting cooperation from the school district, which is questionable whether or not that's even an accurate statement But but that's your understanding That you are in favor of proceeding with the design as it's been Redesigned or is that going to be the poison pill? It says let's scotch the whole deal

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:10:23

Well, I think that that is what I need to know before I can make a decision. I think what I Councilmember Weirich is saying is absolutely correct. It would be nice to have a community input and a community move on this, but we reached out to the school district and their answer was not to their board Well who I mean? We're here with the staff report that says the school district doesn't want to do it school different states the proposed additional driveway cut

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:10:45

so Steph

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:10:46

well

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:10:46

Okay, but there's no law that says we can't go and talk to the state architect. If it's not a problem for the school... Just a second. If they don't wish to do this, we can't make them do it, but that doesn't prevent us from doing

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:11:02

it. Susan and I feel marginalized in this discussion.

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:11:06

So it's not that we aren't interested in doing it. It requires further conversation so when we left this with staff It was, we would like to see this problem alleviated. We would consider this and then we came up with well maybe there's another option that doesn't require this parking lot redesign so we've been working collaboratively. We haven't talked about this issue in six months before it came to you tonight

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:11:30

Will say though my understanding and I think the public works directors Understanding as well for that meeting was the driveway cut was a no-go for the school district. So if that's if it's a possibility We would be happy to talk to the state architect

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:11:44

Alton maybe come up with some some instruments some graphic that shows an album of design for discussion Well,

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:11:50

so that would require that the DSA requires us to have a plan of a whole parking lot design and plan and

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:11:56

We could have

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:11:57

Alta

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:11:58

to do

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:11:58

it. If that's funded, and it's not to say that we aren't considering this, we currently don't have a line item budget for this item so I can't commit to doing this without further discussion about the costs in funding and what it would require on our end.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:12:13

Maybe we could at least fund the design.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:12:15

Randy's feeling marginalized, so I'm gonna call

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:12:17

on him. You know it's just interesting this whole discussion about all of the things that now we got to jump through hoops over but aside from that if we just put bike lanes in and put something that delineated them from the traffic we wouldn't be going to the school board There's a lot of other ways of solving this problem, but we want to optimize and go back and pay for and redo. And we haven't talked about other opportunities now I know you four want this I'm not against bike lanes, but this is the same thing we're running into. This is just mass confusion over something that doesn't necessarily need to take place. You want bike lanes?

Let's go put bike lanes in. It's that simple. That's the argument here. We would like bike lanes on Maricopa Highway. Let's end the discussion and solve that problem instead of looking for solutions to other problems that don't exist.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:13:19

Susan, are you feeling marginalized too?

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:13:22

No I never felt marginalized.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:13:27

Okay good.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:13:30

So we need to have some sort of focus as to what the decision is going to be. What is the city manager asking from us tonight?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:13:39

I have a question,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:13:41

though. The original request is to approve the 35% report and direct staff to return with the 60% design and estimate. I think as part of that Council may want to direct us to further investigate this driveway cut possibility.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:13:59

I mean does the staff genuinely think there's any is there, I mean is it a viable? It's just very...it's disturbing that you our staff believes that unequivocally this Ohio Unified School District has told us that they're not gonna work with us on this and now we're gonna lose time. This much since I first heard about this and now we're gonna go back and revisit that. I mean at some point it's we got to make a decision to move on

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:14:23

Yeah, it sounds like I do believe funding is one of the challenges that there is at that point. So if we're open to discussing funding issues, it's a possibility. Bill?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:14:33

Yeah.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:14:34

I want to point out to everybody that we're doing a demonstration project. It's going to be kicking off in March, if I'm correct on that. May. That's going to go concurrently with design development. I don't see how it's necessarily going to hold up this project to have the governing boards and councils involved in making this decision about whether we use an optimal or a suboptimal design.

And that's just good governance. I'm making a philosophical argument here, you know? These kinds of decisions should involve public process and the elected officials and not be at the staff level. And I would certainly like to suggest that we pay for the city, the ALTA, and see what ALTA might charge for this or how long it would take to at least have an optimal design instrument that was the original direction of council, presented for at least analysis by both the school board

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:15:41

and the city council.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:15:49

Yeah, that we would pay for it. And if ALT is here I'd like to know if they could give us a quick estimate of what that extra cost might be?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:15:55

But just so you know, that's not to take it to the state architect. That's to take it to the school board who then will tell you, oh thank you for paying for that. We don't want you to take it to them. Wait

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed2:16:02

a minute. Brian! You're truncating deliberation at a public body before it occurs. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:16:12

wouldn't want to truncate public decision, but when the staff of an agency... I appreciate that you want to micromanage one of the other agencies. Micromanage?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:16:19

Come on guys! But honestly,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:16:21

staff doesn't govern, the council and the boards do.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:16:23

We now have a question that maybe we have an

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:16:26

expert answer. Could Alta give

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:16:26

us

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:16:27

an answer as to the cost of doing this and the time it would take? Bill, Bill,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:16:30

I'm trying

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:16:30

to support

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:16:31

you. I think our Public Works Director could probably... Do we have the person from... Mr. Mayor, it may be valuable for a brief instance to get the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:16:39

answer.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:16:40

This

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:16:44

is certainly exciting. Good

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:16:46

evening! And I'm sorry I haven't introduced our consultant that came up today and this is Steve Friesen from Alta Principal and thanks Steve for being here. Thank you for coming. No

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:16:58

problem happy to be here Believe it or not, I truly am. Your

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:17:02

nose is growing with that comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:17:05

No, you know what? Just as sort of an editorial comment, I actually do appreciate the dialogue because this is important. You're changing your community. We're talking about a complete street. We're talking about safety for children going to and from school but it also has to work with the motoring public as well. The roadways are for all users so we get that. To your question about what this might cost We're sitting over there noodling this, and so really I want to be clear on what you really want. Because when we talk about optimization, there's optimization within the Caltrans right-of-way, and then there's what happens on the school site.

And so yes as soon as you start paving or you touch any type of physical component of the school site, you trigger a DSA review. Of review? Yes. They do not move fast. So my concern is that your ATP funding is not forever. It has an expiration date on it. So, there was a question I think you may have raised it earlier in the discussion about how do we integrate what we hear from the demonstration project with our design. Typically what we do is we come out, we observe, we participate and I can tell you from experience, we just went through this in the city of Culver City where we did an open house and we got feedback from the community that caused us to change our design fairly late in the game but it was actually on a safety issue similar to what you all are talking about with respect to access to a hospital.

It's actually the same situation Long story short, when we talk about doing this optimal design what does it take for us?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:18:32

What would it take in cost and time to at least see a basic schematic.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:18:38

To do just the basic schematic probably no more than two weeks and I'm really spitballing this at this point in time but five to seven thousand dollars is my guess. Thank you for coming again.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:18:53

So it sounds like the decision is, is the city part of the project willing to put up that money in order to be able to give Tiffany something that the school district can see and that the state architect could take a look at and say okay yeah that triggers it or no maybe with a few modifications we could go along with this. Mr. Mayor if

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:19:16

I may. Craig was there already a plan that showed the cutout going in at Nordoff at some point that we've reviewed?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:19:22

There was a plan and we actually even had layouts for the parking lot. We had a couple concepts. And was

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:19:27

that given to the Ojai Unified School District?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:19:30

It's been some time now, I would estimate a year-and-a-half ago we had parking lot layout concepts were discussing how we would flow traffic through there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:19:38

And after the school district received that plan that showed that cutout they told the city of Ojai that they were not willing to engage in including that as part of their construction on their property is that correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:19:49

Actually a year and a half ago they were more receptive to it. They thought, yeah we'll work out something in the parking lot with his tribe creditor work.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:19:56

Did that change from a year and a half ago?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:19:58

Yes. When did

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:19:59

they inform the city of Ojai that they

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:20:01

didn't want to do it anymore? That's when we met roughly six months ago. I'm just saying... That was

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:20:04

staff

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:20:05

not the board.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed2:20:06

Again! Okay. Well that's important.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:20:10

And I think it's been significant. I don't know if the board has seen

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:20:13

that, but

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:20:14

the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:20:14

school district has seen a plan with the cutout on it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:20:17

and subsequent

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:20:18

to that told us they don't want anything

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:20:19

to do with it. Right. It was a previous principal and a previous superintendent. They were very supportive so now they have a different approach. But it's the new superintendent that has not been as supportive is that what you're saying? And the principal, I think the principal has changed as well. So he had a lot of experience in the parking lot. I'm not putting that down. He was the traffic guy out in the field all the time so I think he knew it differently.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:20:41

Randy you have a question?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:20:42

Could I please interject quickly too that when Elsie mentioned 5 to 7, that was my main point I think we're not accounting for a cycle. It's like going to Caltrans, you know? We need to have support because if you get that and it's dropped on our laps there's a lot to continue bouncing it off of DSA and discussing with them. I get the feeling that's not easy thing to do so we'd appreciate some additional support allocated for ELTA to make it move, you know? And has ELTA seen those year-and-a-half ago studies?

I don't recall they weren't. Yeah, I think we reviewed him in ideas that how we'd float. They haven't seen a lot not studied Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:21:22

Ryan How much money has the city spent today on this ourselves in health how much

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:21:29

money besides the grant money yeah approximately 125 thousand

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:21:34

Okay, so we're already $125,000 into it. And now we're talking maybe seven to ten additional.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:21:40

Right and that might TMP might be even additional.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:21:45

So we got two hurdles to jump here too first of all we haven't had Caltrans even approve anything that we have so far Am I correct? Right, they've been concept... So we don't have Caltrans approval. The second one is obviously now we're gonna have to have the school board and also the state school superintendent of architect, is that correct? Is that what I'm hearing? State architect. Okay so that's another hurdle that we have to jump.

And by the way I'm not against bike paths, I'm for them. I really think we need them okay. So then the last question is I haven't heard, the discussion tonight is 35%. Where are we on the money side of the 35%? Is that a part of the analysis or were you supposed to come back to us with some type of quantitative number as to what it's going to cost to do this at this stage or it was just the 35% on design.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:22:39

And that was in the administrative report, and I think we cut the slide at the end. But essentially we said that priorities with some of the second priorities appear to be covered by the grant money with a lot of questions when we get the low bids, we get these variances of 25%. So we were suggesting deductive alternates for the second priorities so that if they're funded, we do it. If they're not, we pull them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:23:04

Then I wanted to get back to Councilman Wyrick's question, too. The demonstration aspect of this that we're supposed to start in May runs for six months and then the architecture firm is supposed to come back at the same time and give us a 65% update. I guess I should be asking them, do you feel comfortable and confident that you can assess this demonstration for that six-month period and come back to us with a 65% plan? Or do you feel you're going to need more time to do that also?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:23:54

Great.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:24:04

Well, that's all the questions I have Mayor. We can make a motion on this 35% or if we want to back to the school board

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:24:12

aspect of it? I'd like a motion just to see what happens.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:24:14

Okay let's have a motion. I'm

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:24:15

going to make a first motion not at the you know not to the exclusion of other motions by any means I would like to make a motion that we direct ALTA to come up with an instrument for analysis of the optimal design along Maricopa Highway for analysis and review by the school board and the city council at a cost of no more than $8,000 paid for by the city.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:24:49

Okay, I'll second that. But I just want to be assured—I already seconded it so it's too late—but just clarify that this will not stop the rest of the project from going forward, right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:25:03

And I wanted to suggest that we can do this in parallel. I mean what you've got going now we can proceed with which is the approach which will work. It's not the optimal but the suboptimal. We can do that while working on this optimal That may or may not make it in time, and it can always be added or revised to the permit at any time in the future. That's my

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:25:23

motion. Seconded. Okay. Moved and seconded. Further discussion?

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:25:29

So are we making more motions? Well

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:25:32

I do have one question. Is this out of

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:25:34

the...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:25:35

Craig is this going to come out of the current budget for the project or is this going to come out of the city coffers separately?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:25:42

I'd have to look at that. There is money allocated for oversight of the ATP project, and there might be adequate funds there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:25:48

And if we take money out, will that take money away from any of the second or third priorities?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:25:53

Oversight and support in potential right-of-way issues that we have to address, but it's difficult to really nail down until we know what they

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:26:02

are. Okay. We got some rough numbers from you guys, but was 8,000? No more than. Is that sufficient?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:26:13

Yeah. Okay.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:26:22

But something conceptually that we can then show the state architect and say, does this trigger the redo of the entire parking lot? And then that gets us into a whole different world of who pays for it and the rest of it. Obviously, the school district at this point can't pay for it.

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:26:46

It appears as if we were being obstinate staff, and we truly weren't. When we came and we started talking about this in good faith it seemed as if having the car cut out is optimal but we couldn't really put a number as to why that was so much better than just having the protected right-hand turn lane. So one thing that might be helpful is for us to have Have some information about why that would be significantly better. That would you know encourage us or you or whomever to incur the cost so it seemed like when we were discussing this that This pedestrian walkway protected right the left and then again I don't I don' want to forget this the u-turns in front of campus are a major issue for us and

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:27:35

I would hope Alta and the school board would have

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:27:37

direct

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:27:39

communication of concerns in my motion.

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:27:41

So, in our working with staff it's not that we don't want to do this, it's that this second option which didn't trigger us to do anything in the parking lot seemed like it would be a sufficient option to discuss moving forward.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:27:56

Okay, so what is being proposed is to get enough information to make a choice between the two and how much is the optimal solution worth and who pays? And obviously since we're the ones that are sponsoring the project then a substantial portion of that's got to be on the city in the grant.

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:28:17

We have a school board meeting tomorrow And I speak for myself. I obviously can't conference with with my board as I'm sitting here So we have a school board meeting tonight, so potentially We I don't know Maybe we can add this and it's an emergency item and we could get some feedback from them on where this is I'm not sure I just want to point out

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:28:36

that there's a rush in that part of it as we do this in parallel We'll get the information and we'll share it with you and the school board, and we'll also make a determination of who goes to see the state architect and find out how big the problem is. Because we do need to have their answer, but they aren't going to just say, oh, you know, Crayola...

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:28:56

They've got to see something.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:28:57

Yeah, they've

GuestTiffany Morris I'mSuperintendentProposedself-stated2:28:57

got to have something. I would say that we work with the DSA. That isn't something you would do, but we would submit the plans to them.

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CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:29:06

I have a question of Greg, I think it's a question. So we're at 35% and next time it's going to be 60%. There is something that I want to see included but I don't know when to add it or make a motion to add I want to see the

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:29:29

scope of this project include areas

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CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:29:45

I want to see including areas adjacent.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed2:29:48

That's another motion.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:29:49

Oh, I thought you told me that too.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:29:51

I said that you will still have your chance to do this. Let's take the first question.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:29:56

Yeah, that's what I thought we were going

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:29:57

to do today. Okay. Will the clerk call the roll?

Roll-call vote Passed 3–1 motion. Oh, I thought you told me that too. I said that you will still have your chance to do this. Let's take the first question. Yeah, tha · 1 under review
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Mayor Johnston? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Blatz? No. Council Member Weirich? Yes! Council Member Haney? Nope. Council Member Francina? Yes

Okay, motion passes. Now Susan what is your question or your request?

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:30:14

So Greg Grant maybe you can guide me when I would bring something up to...I want somehow to include areas adjacent to the project scope of work Thank you. That are not in the scope of the project, but how and when do we address that so that it's so that we can get? Can we get the permits even if we can't fund it yet while we're doing all this.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:31:00

I think that was the intention when Council reviewed the priorities to come up with a priority for the grant. The second priority is in the third priority, so we already have and it appears that our cost estimates are working out to cover priority possibly part of this second and not other. So I think as outlined in the report There's for a second, third and other future work that's no way going to get in there. So those things are already really outlined as far as this project and when you're talking about areas especially outside of the corridor of the grant it's well beyond the scope that certainly the grant money couldn't even touch it

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:31:33

Okay, okay. And then my other concern is when we do this demonstration project and I guess I should go to the school board to discuss this but I'm adamant that bicycle pedestrian safety education be part of the demonstration project for it to be a true demonstration project in bicycle friendly communities where 50% of the kids ride their bikes there's a unit on bicycle education Beyond just the bike rodeo, where the kids really understand the rules of the road. So I want somehow to discuss with our supervisor a way to integrate that into their curriculum possibly.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:32:19

Do we have a motion to accept the 35% design?

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:32:23

I'll make a motion to accept the 35 percent.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:32:28

And the understanding from the consultant or the engineering firm that they do this and they modify things as we go, not substantial modifications but things like the access in the driveway. We're not locking ourselves in 100%. If we don't stay with the plan we'll just have to pay for it if we think it's worthwhile.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:32:52

I have one other issue, if you would entertain a motion after we pass this motion on this matter. Sure. I don't want to stop this motion.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:32:59

Should I do both items? Direct staff to return to council with the 60% design and cost estimate for further review and consideration of priorities. You want to take both of those motions or... Second us. Okay,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:33:13

so moved and seconded. Discussion? Further discussion on

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:33:17

this? I just want to add one thought to this, Mayor. You know, I've brought this up a number of times that I still think the priority of this whole ATP should have been downtown first. Coming into some of these funding questions that we are now on this side of it, it seems like that might have helped us a little bit to make these decisions. So again I'm not against bicycle lanes, I'm just thinking more in tune of what's the importance of ATP and it seems like all the discussions that I've entered into seems to be based on downtown, the downtown corridor being first So I'm going to support ATP because I think it's important for the community, but I still think our priorities are a little mixed up on it. I still think it should be downtown first and we also just said on the section that Sousa talked to about adding additional changes.

Again, Greg you might want to make a note of this but I think some downtown lighting on the downtown sidewalks from Kenyatta all the way through the downtown corridor should be something that we might wanna look at now if I need a second for that. I may get there. Yeah, I will

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:34:34

second that I think we need to look at all the downtown crosswalks as well as part

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:34:37

of Should be as a bigger priority as anything that we do with the school board and adapting anything to their

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:34:46

point Is that part of the motion of accepting the design so

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:34:49

far? No I don't think so, but it's projects that we're gonna return with a measure see your project list. Yeah We can we can bring it back and we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:34:57

won't bring it up later But we would both like to see that on a future agenda

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:35:00

And I would agree with that and I would just add to that comment of not limiting our Mitigations for part safety in those at most pedestrian crossings not limiting them to flashing beacons There are other alternatives other than flashing beacons In those you know that because there might be aesthetic Objections in the community and we ought to be looking at and be sensitive that there's other options. I'd appreciate all two

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:35:21

Okay, so let's take care of the motion on the floor and then we can have more if you wish We

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:35:26

need a roll call on

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:35:26

this I Don't want to leave the listening

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:35:34

public with the

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:35:35

impression that we don't give the downtown equal

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:35:37

consideration as Maricopa Highway That in my opinion from all the discussions that I've had and attending complete streets and looking at this plan, the downtown has equal priority. We want the downtown to be equally safe. It's not either or we're working on both of the whole stretch of Ojai Avenue to El Roblar simultaneously

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:36:16

Okay do

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:36:17

we

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:36:17

have?

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:36:18

Yeah I feel like yeah.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:36:20

Just one more comment and that'll be that for me.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:36:22

Comment or a motion?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:36:23

Actually, I don't think it requires a motion if i could just speak to Alta directly with a comment that's all right good uh I want to point out that on the um Analysis of modified entry from Ojai Avenue westbound into El Paseo. I understand your analysis and your conclusion. I wanted to make sure you were aware that one of the reasons for the council directing that be analyzed was also setting up an alternative bike path Traversing east-west outside of the Ojai Avenue 150 corridor. In other words, that was a way to get up into the area past Ojai Valley School and to other parts of the master plan so it wasn't just a matter of traffic in safety at the crossing but also a possible setup for safer bike paths And one option might be a way of going through there to allow bikes to move into another area.

In other words, what I'm trying to say is if we could be thinking about not just the study area but how it connects to the overall master plan biking system, I'm not sure that was given to you and I don't know if you've been given the master plan biking plan that we've adopted to kind of look at how this interacts with the ATP. I'm just asking. Not specifically.

Right. And I'm just suggesting that maybe some consideration be given to the connections to bike paths outside the corridor. That's all.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:37:58

OK. If I may, I think

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:38:00

you mentioned earlier that-

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:38:02

You want to come to the podium? Sure.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:38:05

Then the whole community can hear you.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:38:07

Yes.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:38:08

And you're

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:38:08

on TV! Yeah.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:38:10

You're on TV.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:38:11

I think you made the statement earlier that your original guidance was to close

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:38:16

was to at least look at options, designs that would close. Yes. Okay. Yeah and I'm not... That was my understanding of the direction. At least we'd look at options for that and part of that was to create SIFE bike path alternatives to being on the main highway traversing east-west north of Ojai Avenue. That's all. Okay. But I like the design, but it would seem like it's purely pedestrian focused and not maybe on the other bike path issue as well. And that's all I'm saying.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:38:45

Are

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:38:45

you going

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:38:46

to get a motion to include that?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:38:47

Yes sir. Well... I don't know. I just wanted... I think that should

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:38:51

be taken up by the

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:38:51

public works committee. I'm really not asking for a motion. Let's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:38:54

not confuse Alta too much.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:38:55

No, but here's the important point This is about bicycles, transportation and it ought to be looking at connections to our master plan for bike paths that

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:39:05

we've already adopted. And so the Safe Streets Committee would maybe be a place you might want to visit and talk with...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:39:11

One final comment while this gentleman's I'm sorry here

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:39:13

My name is Stephen Fryson.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:39:14

Thank you, Stephen. I'm sorry. Much appreciate the time it took to get here. Yeah, thank you for coming. I just also wanted...I know that you're aware of the hospital on the north side of Maricopa? Yes. But the high school also, not just a high school, it's also our emergency Red Cross Disaster Relief Center. So that's something I don't know if you've been notified of that either but you should know.

Thank you. It's an important element. And again welcome.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:39:36

Thanks, Stephen!

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:39:37

Welcome to Ojai.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:39:39

You should get hazard pay. Okay, next, should we take a five minute break before we proceed?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:49:18

Mr. Mayor, I need to recuse myself on this because I'm representing other parties in

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:49:21

litigation

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed2:49:29

Just a brief report mayor and council members of the public on the Ventura River watershed adjudication The council has directed several actions first. The council is directed that the city send a letter to To go out tomorrow to Ventura, Casitas Municipal Water District, Ojai Basin Groundwater Management Agency and other local agencies joining in the City of Ventura's request coming to the court to stay all process including any deadlines or obligations to respond to service that has been filed For at least six months, the intention being to create space for a continuation of ongoing settlement discussions to hopefully come to a sensible settlement without the need for individual landowners or those who are concerned to respond to the process.

Now to be clear this is the city intending to join into a request to the court it hasn't yet been granted Until it's granted, you need to continue to consult your own individual attorneys or representatives. And the city is optimistic that Ventura will continue to do as their council has directed and look for alternative solutions than a full adjudication.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:50:32

Mayor, I'd like to read for the record three things in support of this action by the city because it comes from the highest levels of our state government. I want to quote a recent speech by our governor Today my administration is proposing a path forward, one that will move past the old water binaries and set us up for a secure and prosperous water future.

Guided by science this new framework will provide the foundation for binding voluntary agreements between government agencies and water users With partnership and oversight from environmental groups, these agreements will provide adaptive holistic management of enhanced water flows and habitats to protect restore and enhance California's rivers and delta. In other words, not adjudications. The American Water the AWA which represents water agencies throughout the state has just issued a statement. We are on the brink in support of the governor's initiative, we are on the brink of an historic accomplishment in California water to resolve long-standing conflicts through comprehensive voluntary agreements that substitute collaboration and creative solutions for perpetual litigation And furthermore, the Metropolitan, the largest special district in the world has just issued a statement saying a shared voluntary approach to balancing the beneficial uses of water from the Sierra is far better for California's people and environment than years of litigation.

Metropolitan commends the Newsom administration for seeking to move forward in a collaborative fashion. And the city's actions are right in the mainstream of where policy development is coming from the highest levels of our

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:52:11

state government. City Attorney?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed2:52:13

One final comment, if it wasn't clear my report out includes a report out of the council's actions that closed session taken tonight. Right.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:52:19

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed2:52:20

Thank you.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:52:21

And so in essence what we're doing is we are supporting the motion or the request to stay what, the period of time to respond and file answers? Is that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed2:52:35

right? Right. The period that those who have been served individual landowners who have been served or given notice with a deadline running from Ventura to respond to Ventura's lawsuit. The goal is to get the court to stay that time

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:52:46

Yeah, allowing additional time for at least another six months thinking that that would be of an opportunity to settle this without adjudication. Okay so anything else on that? I just

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:52:58

want to get those statements in the record that we're on the side of where the governor's going and collaborative voluntary agreements are what's being pushed by the state regulators at the highest level

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:53:09

Okay, our next item on the agenda is

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:53:11

to call Ryan Beckett.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:53:12

Oh, yeah channel 8 come on back

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:53:17

Okay,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:53:27

the next topic is designation of a voting delegate for the Southern California Association of Governments So do we have? Nominations or volunteers? Well, I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:53:39

did go last year. I'm willing to go again if nobody else wants to.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:53:42

That'd be great.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:53:43

It was actually, it's really nice. Are

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:53:46

you our SCAG representative too?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:53:48

I am not, I am not.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:53:50

You just like Palm Desert

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:53:52

huh? Well I've been there a few times. Okay well are there any other volunteers or nominations if not...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:54:01

Randy was going to go with me last year but he didn't want to share it

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:54:05

with me. Okay then without objection Ryan is designated as to be our voting delegate Okay, next item mid-year budget update. This is I understand a high level this kind of flyover but

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:54:20

Yes, thank you and we have just a few slides if you'll indulge me I'll keep it very brief, but just wanted to pull a couple of Thing highlight a couple of facts It is just a high-level midyear budget update. We did the October budget revise earlier this year and had said, you know, essentially in October we didn't have enough information to really project any change from our adopted budget so this is now coming back with more information and we are able to make some projections At that time we noted that the city had adopted a budget with the $55,000 funding gap The good news and that's the budget that's shown before you but the the good news is that recent projections are showing that the Funding gap is closed is projected to be closed We've as the staff report note noted.

We've We had been able to manage some vacancies and some contract savings, and then we've also seen that revenues are projecting to exceed the budgeted amounts. And with those two facts or those two items, we're expecting a balanced budget. Now the bad news is that we're still not projecting much of a surplus, which means that this year we will probably we aren't projecting that we will be catching up any more on the general fund reserves, which has been a challenge for us in recent years. The good news is we're not going to be digging into them, but we need to still grow them And so this slide indicates that as everybody's aware, we have a 50% reserve policy. Which under the current budget means that we've committed to have $5.1 million in reserves.

We are not at 5.1 million dollars. A little bit more good news is we actually went up from 3.48 million to 3.68 million at the end of last year and that was included in the audit documents, the financial statements that were part of the packet as well. But with as we're currently projecting, we're not projecting an increase to those reserves at the end of 2020.

Minimum minimal from earnings like 30,000 probably like 30,000. Yeah And with the the budget being projected pretty tight we just you know it's yeah So it's we're essentially balanced which is good, but we we aren't adding to savings and so there are two key issues that we want just wanted to point out at this time And the two key issues that we wanted to make everybody aware of is that we haven't met the reserve policy and then many analysts are starting to talk about recession and possible signs of recession.

Governor Newsom's most recent budget talked about a potential recession, so it's just something we need to be aware of in working towards closing that gap in the reserve. We keep balancing our budget without catching up on deferred maintenance, which the big step that we have taken to try to correct that issue is Measure C, which is on the ballot March 3rd. But let me just briefly say people may have seen this list online recently. These are deferred maintenance projects and so when people have asked what would the city do with a million and a half dollars a year? That's a lot of money and it But we're projecting that just on deferred maintenance, we have over $20 million worth of projects.

I would argue it's not a lot of money for a city. Yeah, definitely. So even with Measure C, it would take quite awhile to catch up on all deferred maintenance but without it, we're balancing out every year. We're not catching up. And then this doesn't even get to the list of, you know, the projects that we want to do. Like the fun things like, you know, some of the Boyd Center improvements and things like that. Yeah. The water slide.

That's way down the line.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:58:48

One thing that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:58:52

we can look at here when we start looking at stormwater drainage rehabilitation and water conservation, you know the grant funding that we're doing with Progressive should technically be added to you know it should be subtracted from that to a degree yeah so it's a small number but still it's significant

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:59:10

Yeah. And that's the thing is we're trying to get better at leveraging grants and pursuing grants, and we've been applying for them more frequently. So there's... We are doing more than just sitting back and hoping that Measure C passes but that will be a key part of this, of making progress on catching up. So, you know in a nutshell the budget's balanced which is good. We haven't really saved more money which is a challenge we need to address and we still have deferred maintenance we haven't caught up on so that's really the mid-year high level budget

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CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction2:59:48

If measure C passes, does it start right away? The increase? Could you just clarify

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:59:56

that? I believe it starts 30 days after results are ratified. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed2:59:59

think the new state rule is 10 days. And then there's always a bit of an accounting catch-up period.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:00:05

It's got to be a month that they

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed3:00:06

collect it. The hotels I believe pay quarterly, so there's a bit of a catch-up process but certainly by Q3 of this year if it passes with the voters approval we'll see additional funding.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction3:00:18

Okay thank you

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:00:21

And so we had another slide. I won't take much more time, but the slide just with information on Measure C and noting that it is the hotel tax increase paid for by hotel guests. It's an increase from 10 to 15% for capital improvement and maintenance projects. It was on the ballot March 3rd. And with that, that's the end of the presentation.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:00:44

Thank you very much. A lot of it is going to, a lot of further discussions will happen after we find out what the voters decide whether they have confidence in our stewardship of their funds or the visitor funds. I just want to caution something to please keep an eye on. Informed opinion generally States that the fatalities in China are dramatically understated. That the scope of this pandemic is much wider than the Chinese government, is allowing to be understood by the rest of the world.

A lot of containment efforts are going on but you talk about recession? This could be the black swan, and I don't mean to be overly alarmist on this. But it bears watching to see how this thing, because it's pretty clear that the Chinese economy is all but shut down right now. And we need to just keep aware, cognizant, and watchful of developments in that respect.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:02:02

And the points that I like to make is the invisible debt that local governments have. One is through deferred maintenance, one is the unfunded liabilities of things such as pension costs although we're doing pretty well at sort of holding the line on those things but it's still out there and then you have the increase in cost of goods every year as a percentage of operating costs and labor And so we should be looking at the percentages as opposed to just the dollars, because I think one of the good decisions we made as a council was to take the cash that came in from the old redevelopment agency that was really repaying the taxpayers who loaned the money to the agency.

So that cash is in our reserve now. That's dollars to be spent, but it was already there as an asset on the books and so we converted a receivable something we expected to get into cash. As long as we keep looking at it that way you know it's easy for people to forget that that's not new money That's that's whole money coming home and so we need to look at it in terms of what how much does it does our annual budget increase in operating expense versus the annual increase in revenues and paying down the And that's a that's not something that us politicians like to look at because that says you can't spend as much as you'd like to but it is I think we've, in the last couple of years, we've done really reasonably well compared to some of our neighbors.

And that's though without a recession and it's coming.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:03:44

They just need to watch

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:03:45

for me. I didn't know

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:03:48

where you were going with the coronavirus thing in the budget item but now you tied it all together.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:03:53

When he started I thought he was gonna ask to put money into

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:03:55

the health budget. I'm just worried about the impact on the revenue side. Hey, there's you know the macro level of things that's how it works we need to be prepared.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:04:02

We did get a kind of an alert that they think it will what it will impact every country's budget yeah economy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:04:11

It is interesting thing just viruses in general there's still more people to die of the flu in the United States I mean sure it's not to minimize this but we still have lots of diseases out there that are killing us like

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:04:24

I'm more concerned about the ripple effect of the Chinese economy shutting down.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:04:29

Hopefully

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:04:30

local tourism is insulated

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:04:32

from that. Not if they work at the port. We've got a president working on that, don't we?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:04:40

Sueing the president over his latest improvement where he's not allowing people to come across the border. Okay. James be careful on your next words. Legislative platform,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:04:50

James what do we got here? Yeah, I can keep this one very brief. It's a new initiative that we wanted to recommend to the City Council. Other cities have what's called a legislative program and it's a program of the city's positions on important Council meeting Other cities have these programs and the intent of the program is it's basically a pre-approved list of items that if staff is contacted asking for letters of support or opposition, we can react immediately based on them being pre-approved.

It allows us to respond quickly. It means every item doesn't have to come to council for approval on an opposition or support letter or grant application, for example. And so We wanted to try to develop one I think the probably the challenge is going to be kind of crafting one that we think that That we all will support. So we have drafted a draft version of one and what I asked for at this time was asked that council would There's different ways you can proceed, but I had suggested creating an ad hoc legislative committee with two council members to review that draft program and make any suggestions. And then we'd bring it back to council for adoption.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:06:32

Okay. Do we have any interest or volunteers for the legislative committee?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:06:38

I will say this, I do not want to do it but I did read it and I'm already... That's half the work. I'm denominating myself in case that was a question. It doesn't work that way. But I didn't read it and I actually thought this was from before. I didn't know

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:06:53

this was new. We did it from scratch. Gail and I worked on it, and I think it actually is pretty solid. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:06:59

have to admit, I read all of it and I thought wow, it's pretty well done. Other than us reviewing it, I wouldn't think we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:07:06

needed a separate committee necessarily. I'll volunteer for it but what is the staffing time and level that you perceive this taking?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:07:13

Well, so the idea is this was the bulk of the work. After this once council approves the program then all it means is that those letters of opposition and support that we would have written anyway don't have to have a staff report to counsel with them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:07:28

When VCOG sends an email and says send a letter rather than have to ask...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:07:31

That's what I was going to relate it to. VCOG has a director that does that. That reads legislature or gets information and then sends out a notice in support

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:07:39

I'll make a motion to approve it as it is with us being able obviously to amend it at any time we want under immediate notice.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:07:58

OK, well if you guys want to do a committee then by no means.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction3:08:01

You're going to go through this list? These lists? We'll

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:08:04

bring it back at the next council meeting. Yeah we can get it on the next

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:08:08

one.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:08:08

And I agree with Ryan. Then we'll put it on.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:08:10

I'm really impressed that this was from scratch. I didn't realize that.

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction3:08:13

Good job, James. He'll just review it. You do too.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:08:16

That's great. Thank you Gail. Gail running for my seat next election. Gail

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:08:25

Pro Temp. So Randy and I will be the ad hoc committee if there's no objection to that? No objection. Okay All right, that takes us to what's council reports I was at APCD today. There's

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction3:08:42

not a lot of new information, but we are working through

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:09:08

Kind of a new round of grant money that's available and some review of that and I'll be bringing that back James, and I still need to set an appointment with Lockheed That we're working on but that was nothing super. Oh one thing I will say and Suze you're gonna love this too I want to bring this up because I think it's the coolest project and I only take a second But there you know the County of Ventura has a program called Save the Blue Whales and Save the Blue Skies. And what it does is incentivizes giant tankers that are traveling through the Santa Barbara Channel, this is a co-partnership with Ventura and Santa Barbara County Air Pollution Control Districts That pays them for staying under 10 knots while they're driving, while they're transporting goods through the channel.

And under 10 knots helps that a lot of the whales that they end up striking do not die because of it. That they found at that speed it helps but it's also reduced pollution significantly out of the engines and the biggest, the community that has received the most benefit from that is the Ojai Valley Because those tankers are one of the key, because we don't have a ton of vehicular traffic out on the 101 but there is enough to make a difference. But it's those tankers that slowly that would go by at 15 and cause all the pollution that would end up in the valley. By slowing them down to 10 is one of the reasons our parts per million have gone down and are trending that will be consistent with the federal levels. And I just think, I said it today at APCD, it's just one of those things that you very rarely in this job get to talk about creativity.

The bang for the buck on that, the dollar-for-dollar savings is unapproachable with other investments And it's just one of those things that's really cool. It's thousands and thousands of trips each year, people don't realize that at any given time there is one or two or three tankers that are about to move through the Santa Barbara Channel and only because we're in partnership with one of our neighbors, Santa Barbara County but those are the really cool creative things that every once in a while you get to talk about and I just want to share it. Is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed3:11:03

APCD paying?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:11:05

Yes, APCD between the counties are paying it with money that comes through the state Yeah, and I don't remember exactly where the funds trace to but that particular program is very widespread. We had a presentation today about a number of the projects that are going on but that one is just my personal favorite and it's by the way it's only ever been described to me as limiting the amount of pollution. I found out a lot more today about that it was designed to help save the whales too and the whales have a real hard time because they have no Predatory instinct of evasion, because there are no predators for the big giant whales in our channel. So they don't really move away from things quickly. So these boats, they'll just be on a straight thing and you can see the leading edge at some of these huge tankers is 40-50 feet in front.

And sometimes these tankers will end up coming back to port and there'll be a whale on the front of it because they can't get out of the way. And they found that when they only go 10 through the channel, it's significantly helpful for that Thank you.

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:12:15

Okay.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:12:16

That's a good story to end on,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:12:17

yeah.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:12:18

James?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:12:20

Just quickly I wanted to try to continue the trend of listing some of the items that will come to the next meeting. We will have the standing item for the water adjudication. We'll continue to do that. We plan to bring animal keeping back. That one may have a decent amount of people turn out for it so we'll try to do that early in the meeting And then we'll hold a spot right now for the Commission attendance item in the pesticide letter item and We're working on the food waste ordinance. That's another thing. We'll try to bring

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:12:56

back more information for thinking about that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:12:58

Yeah, Matt, you know when that is implemented as they say 2022 do you know more about them? Oh

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed3:13:04

Not off the top of my head, but we're working on an analysis. We'll get that to council. Thanks I think it's it's not this year There's a did they just pass there's a window So one of those ones that passed a little while ago and had a long lead-in But we'll get some

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:13:15

details side letter is my revised letter No

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:13:19

Everything just keeps coming up ahead of

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction3:13:21

it.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:13:24

It's not, it's not growing as fast as it's supposed to. Take out the holidays okay? You're going to

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction3:13:28

get extra credit for

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:13:29

being more

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction3:13:30

timely but that's okay.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:13:37

I will say this, I don't want to overprioritize it James but I think on that composting issue especially if it's going to be a law soon. I personally, if anyone agrees, I'd like to see us try and implement that maybe beforehand. Maybe before it has to go into effect. That's our MO.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:13:53

Bill

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:13:54

and I are in conversations

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:13:55

with an organic

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:13:55

recycling center out of Santa Barbara. And one of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:13:57

the things that they do right now in Santa Barbara is composting. So, and it's in the CUP of the existing site. And they're right now talking with the County of Ventura regarding it.

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:14:16

It's within the existing

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:14:17

CUP so... We more than likely will be coming back, Bill and I asking the council for a letter of recommendation but they initiated composting and green waste recycling in Santa Barbara.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:14:28

Randy's visited their site and it is very well run. It is right downtown Santa Barbara without complaints. In

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:14:33

fact, I got product on the back of my truck if anyone wants to see that.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:14:36

If

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:14:36

you

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:14:36

need

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:14:36

a banana peel. Yeah, and the Western City's had an article on all this organic when it's kicking in I guess Bakersfield is... Really? Who would have thought Bakersfield? They've got some of the worst air but they apparently got a really good program when it comes to...

CommentCity Council But I'mProposed · by introduction3:14:54

Every Sunday, I put out my little white plastic covered bin with peelings and everything just in front of my little gate. And Jeff Otterbein has this bicycle compost service. They come on a big bike with a cart they dump my Into something in their cart and he just goes all over the valley.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:15:15

Well, that's new to me a bicycle compost

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:15:24

Even if we're not first, you know being a week early then when you have to be is kind of our mo Future agenda items

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:15:36

Thank you just went through. Yeah, that

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:15:37

was it. That's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:15:38

it? Okay. Well I had a couple of things I just want to touch on real quick Mayor. So we did talk about the recycling but Saturday they actually had a meeting at Sarasota Park and they had a demonstration of battery operated equipment. Now I put together a list of six types and they, is it Dan from So he came out and he was actually meeting with local gardeners. Demonstrating this equipment, so there's a buy-in that is taking place right now. That's great! But again we talked about being able to replace equipment or repair equipment in a timely manner.

Aquaflow is going to do it with a certain type of equipment. Oxnard is gonna do it with

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:16:28

Greg's rent is ramping

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:16:29

up too. So everyone's ramping up and then I was in Aquaflo in Santa Barbara today, and they are selling Husqvarna equipment out the door faster than they know it. They can't keep enough product in stock so this is really catching on. It's moving forward. Then I just wanted to touch on the solar audit we did agree to do and we're in touch on that?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:16:50

Yes

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:16:52

And I'm pleased to report that my solar operation is to be inspected by the city this week. Battery, battery backup. Who do I pay off to? Decide

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:17:06

it. Which way you want to go? You want a glide path or you want to go straight for the mayor?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:17:11

Raise hell with him! Okay thanks everybody we're done