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Yes, we're live.
Okay, we're back in session on the special meeting of the city council is there anything to report out Mr. City?
Thank you Mr. Mayor the city council met in closed session to consider one item a liability claim filed by Ronald McRae direction was provided to staff and no reportable action was taken
thank you okay thank you okay well then we will adjourn the special meeting and I'll call the regular meeting to order Will the clerk please call the roll?
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consent calendar when the time is right
Okay, good. Thank you. Okay, well then we'll approve the agenda as submitted and then we'll... Okay, we're then on consent calendar. Which item did you want to pull, Susan?
Item D on the statement of investment policy.
Okay, okay, we'll pull that. Are there any other requests? If not, do I have a motion to prove the balance of the consent calendar? Move to approve. Okay is there a second? Second. Okay moved and seconded. Any discussion? If not, any objection? I'm hearing none. Consent calendar is approved with the exception of item D. Susan go ahead.
Oh, I wanted to just read the statement submitted by Michelle Ellison who's a member of the Climate Emergency Mobilization Committee. Has Donnie disappeared?
Yeah, I'm back.
All right, and then I want what I want. I'm going to read it. I might summarize some of it. It's not that long. And then I wanted to see if we could add some wording into the investment policy. You know, I want to make it as simple as possible. So here's what Michelle wrote and I'm in agreement with this regarding the investment policy While according to the staff report, the city doesn't currently have direct investments in fossil fuel companies. We can and still should adopt a resolution similar to Resolution 1810 adopted in 2018 prohibiting the investment in nuclear weapons to prohibit future investments in fossil fuel companies.
And so this is referenced on an exhibit A, page six item nine if you want to go to that page. And it's called ineligible investments. Additionally, while according to the staff report, the city only has money in CDs, the fossil fuel divestment movement includes divesting from banks that fund fossil fuel projects. Most of the major financial institutions like Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo et cetera are heavily funding fossil fuel projects. So if the city CDS I just wanted to see if we could come up with a couple of paragraphs That we don't invest on anything related to fossil fuels. And again, this is a cumulative action. This is something other cities are doing. I know that our funding might be small but couldn't we do make a similar statement as shown at the top of page seven?
You know, where it says that we don't invest in nuclear weapons or the components of nuclear weapons. Can we add a sentence even maybe under that heading? Ineligible investments under James or Matt?
Susan did you check or does anybody know how many banking institutions do we have access to Don't in some fashion have money in gas and oil? Who would we, do we know the ones that have been certified as already having decided that they don't put their money into it so we would know where we would be going with our money.
And that's really what it boiled down to. When we talked to the treasurer, we talked to the finance director and then the budget committee was that it's going to take a significant amount of research at a time when we don't have a lot of funding to invest in. We have some You know other immediate pending financial needs that those positions are going to be looking at. Like you know we've talked about the line of credit, we're still working on on that which we do not have yet so it just that was part of the discussion. The quick answer was that every major bank that um we looked at and including the banks that you know Probably the majority of people use have some sort of investment that would likely disqualify them under this. So it would have to be a local credit union, so it would require some research to determine that.
Could we postpone this to our next meeting before we adopt the investment policy and just have somebody do some internet research? I would imagine any institution who has done this would be, I guess wanting to keep their horn and be proud of it. And they would say we accept or encourage donations or deposits from people who are investing for the social agenda.
I can investigate with Michelle because if other institutions are doing this there must be an alternative.
Okay but we have a look at it know what the implications are as to what it means The symbolism that we're not getting rid of all of our involvement with oil and gas, even though I'd like to see that happen at some point. But we have cars, trucks, trolleys once we go down that road. Why don't we give staff two weeks? And maybe even Michelle can do some research and tell us which institutions would be eligible under this change in policy. Bill?
Mayor, I think one of the key things is we are so overburdening staff right now. I would not want to give this as a big chore or errand for the staff to do right now. They've got their hands full. I have no problem with Councilperson Francina and the Climate Committee member Michelle looking at this but I wouldn't want to put a big burden on staff right now.
No, I agree with
that. I can research.
Okay, let's do that and give it two more weeks then we can talk further so any objection to this being postponed till the July meeting? If not, so ordered okay. Mayor just
want to let you know three weeks for what it's worth our next meeting is in
three weeks. Okay well thank you keep her of the calendar yeah the next the July meeting whenever that is. Yeah very important job I have mayor pro tem I keep checking
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Good to see you studied your duties.
Yeah, make yourself useful Ryan that's good. Public hearings okay we are now on item number two which is the fiscal year budget review and adoption James.
Thank you I'm gonna attempt to share my screen here i have a couple slides nothing too major.
Hey Mayor?
Yes Randy?
Prior to the demonstration, can I make a simple comment to James and staff? We have asked over the years let's say the last five years for me for sure about a simplified budget presentation. And something that is easy for the community to understand follow comprehend and relate to. And I just wanted to say this was by far one of the easiest reads That I've had in five years regarding the budget and the budget process, and how the monies are being spent or allocated in our community. And I just wanted to say, and I'm sure you all would agree. Thank you James, and thanks to the staff. Thanks to our new Budget Director but um... You guys did one heck of a job. Just
incredible. We had me worried there for a minute. I thought we were going to talk about having a half a dozen more public workshops.
Thank you for the comments.
I think that they are well deserved
I'll take a motion to adopt. No, I'm just kidding. Not getting off that easy. I will try to keep it fairly high level though. One point and this will come up later on an item we're going to talk about that we had a meeting with the county on is we are on our fourth version of the budget since March which has been challenging for our finance department. They've been running ragged and they Been here in the office working throughout this entire shutdown and everything, so I do want to recognize them. But this is our fourth version of the budget. It has been a challenge because we originally started out with kind of the budget story being that with the passing of Measure C, the city was looking good and we were going to catch up on deferred maintenance and make service enhancements.
And that was the budget that we proposed on March 13, where we showed an increase in revenues and an increase in expenditures. And then April and May, we reduced the $600,000 in service enhancements back to about the level where they currently are. And then we found with the updated revenue projections coming in that we still had a $946,000 deficit Because the revenues are going to be impacted so much, as you know obviously everybody's aware we're in the midst of a historic shutdown and even as things open it's looking positive but we aren't going to be back to normal you know in the next couple months.
And so that leads us to where we're at today. We had come back to council last meeting and said that we had identified reductions such as a three month hiring freeze, a reduction in community organization funding back to the prior year level and then some deferrals of some projects vehicle replacement and the employment benefit payments And we said with those things, we were expecting to still have a short or small smaller deficit.
We went back and we met with the budget committee. One thing we wanted to talk about closely with them was We had thought property tax was going to fall dramatically. We had included in our last budget a 12% reduction. We are not seeing that that's the case, and the county also sent some revised estimates showing that they're actually expecting property tax to be pretty stable. So at our last budget committee meeting we recommended adding that property tax revenue back in So other revenues, as proposed other revenues are expected to drop but property tax is expected to be on pace with where we thought it would be initially.
And so that helped a little bit because then that means that helps the balance and we wouldn't have to reduce the full 20% TOT transfer that we had previously discussed. The budget before you today includes that increase to the property tax that we reviewed with the Budget Committee, and then it reduced the deferral of the transfer to come back balanced. Obviously a big question mark for us long term is that's still not building up our reserve, but on one hand you know in the worst of the epidemic would not be the point where we would typically be building that up. So we show that we would project a balanced budget next year.
One piece of information we've talked about A few times is that we are using reserves this year. This current fiscal year that we are in, we're using our reserves to continue to provide those key services to residents. But we are estimating that those reserves will go from 3.4 million to 2.3 million as of the end of this month. That's not sustainable. So then it comes down to finding some reductions or continuing to use the reserves and potentially draining those. And so rather than continuing to use the reserves, what we try to do is put a budget together that would balance that out so we don't continue to drain those reserves.
As I just said, most revenues next year are expected to decrease. I know yesterday the inn reopened and that is something that a lot of people are talking about and a few people have emailed me or commented to me The cure now, but the flip side of that is they're going to open at a reduced capacity. And also there's still some limitations on they need to leave rooms vacant for certain periods of time. So one guest checks out room needs to be vacant for a certain period of time before somebody can check in. So it just seems like you know that TOT keeps getting cut into fractions still so we're not gonna see that come back Sales tax is going to be down. I think we found that it should have been down 4% for the first quarter, which only included one month of the shutdown.
But because of that deferment that the state offered businesses small businesses were actually expecting to be down 26%. And kind of the scary, sobering thing about that is that is January through March. And this started mid-March so just that two weeks in March has reduced our sales tax revenue 26% for that period. So April to June is not going to be positive.
Did the state exempt them or did it just defer the payment? It deferred it one year But there is- Money actually come in at some point, is it a
cash flow or is it an actual loss of revenue? It's cash flow but we do expect there to be some loss because some businesses will likely go out before they repay. So there's gonna be some reduction but for the most part, it's a cashflow issue and then as we mentioned, so then the only revenue that's looking positive is property tax. So we've refined the budget to note that Also of note that's important is measure C did go into effect June 1st and so we should officially be collecting it at this point which is going to be key to our long term and the capital improvement projects and not Having to defer those projects in difficult times like we would have in the past. So it will be an important part. It just dampened our enthusiasm a little bit, but it's going to be an important part moving forward.
And I think the last thing we wanted to say just to kind of Set the table is this will be a year where we will make adjustments. We're already planning for an October revise, I think we should expect it. We should expect that if things change and businesses open quicker or slower than we're expecting, we're gonna come back and make adjustments to the budget.
Right now it's difficult to project right now and every city's gonna struggle with that so We've put together a fairly conservative budget. If things continue to reopen as they have been fairly quickly over the last couple of months, you know the budget is fair but we expect that some things will change and we'll come back and make adjustments as needed. And one of those things actually I can mention too, I know it'll be something that's talked about here is we have started the conversation with the Sheriff's Department about their contract and looking at that. So there will be some upcoming discussions to be had.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm going to jump in quickly. With measure C funding this year being the first year we are expecting the current budget projects about $1.5 million in measure C funds for this We said we were gonna try to put an emphasis on that. So this year would have been a year we wouldn't have paved normally, but this year even in challenging times with Measure C funding that should give us the opportunity to pave, to do some significant paving.
We're also looking at some Libbey Park improvements for approximately $112,000. The Sarzadi Park light poles that we had talked about a few couple months back For $58,000 portable speed radar sign for 8,000 parking lot improvements for 56,000 and then the Stewart Canyon restoration project that we received an $800,000 grant for. We've budgeted some here for some of the staff time for that and then City Hall repairs approximately 79,000.
This slide, essentially what we're trying to show is that the impact Measure C will have on us even in a tough year. So on good years we really should be able to leverage that money for more projects.
Quick question before you go to the next
slide.
If it wasn't for Measure C would we be only forecasting $1 million flat? If it wasn't for
Measure
C, well
so
the one and a half million dollars is all Measure C funds. Right but I mean if it wasn't increased to 15% then only been 1 million we would have been getting. So is that is the $1.5 million that extra 5% or is it the whole extra 15%?
No so the 10% current tax that goes through the general fund totals about three million dollars And then the, this is the new. Okay. Thank you. So the additional 5% will total one and a half million dollars that we are earmarking for capital improvement projects and those, the list of projects that we all talked about when it got put on the ballot.
Can I ask something, please?
Yeah.
Could you add two items to this list or could it fall under one of these categories? And I've said this before, we desperately need benches. There's not a single bench between the trolley stop in front of Nordoff and El Roblar. And almost every evening and sometimes in the morning, I see people walking through work on that stretch. They're tired when they're...
And there's other places in the city where it's just inhumane, you know, considering the number of people who are walking or taking the trolley not to have some benches. I can't advocate for that enough. And the other thing is that I think it's a shame that we don't have shade over the trolley stop in front of the bank because during the heat of day, I see elderly people all different families will be sitting there in the heat. It just seems like if we can do all this, that somehow we can find those are very humble requests compared to this and I feel like we need to add that to the list.
And I will say the, um, so I've talked to public works and we believe we have some benches that we could put out currently. So we've talked about starting to roll those out. Uh, not sure exactly how many they were going to go check into that. So, um ,that should be something we can at least start addressing. Um, the shade of the trolley stop, I don't think is currently included, but if a council desires we can include that.
I don't have a quote offhand for that.
James, when you say the budget is balanced, you're saying that we are living within what we believe to be our income for the next year and it's not truly balanced in the sense that we're deferring Uh, obligations that are just piling up. We're just not making the expenditure on capital repair and capital improvement. My understanding of this list last time we talked about it with the exception possibly of the Sarasota light poles. I think those were under contract, right? Yes.
Okay. That the rest of this stuff, uh, we haven't, we haven't obligated ourselves to write And so when we do the October revise or September, October after we get a little more experience as to what's happening to our revenues and the priorities could be changed soon. So I think by moving some of this money around if it was to be determined by council that they, what you're just mentioning has a higher priority than some of the stuff that's on here.
I would recommend to the council, the budget will not be balanced if we start to add stuff without taking anything away. This was approved or recommended by the Budget Committee based upon that kind of review of revenues and expenditures. So for us to be deciding to add anything, it's not a good time. If we've lived this long without it even though there were these things, Try to get through at least the next quarter to see where we are because some of these things, we may not even have any money for.
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But for that very reason, why can't we put that on the list? James can get a quote. That trolley stop is part of client mitigation. Those are people that are not driving.
Yes but this is a budget hearing and every time we put on the list goes into the budget whereas if you put it on a list of desirable things, and you brought it up. There's some good ideas here that in the fall after we see what's happened to our sales tax and all other revenues then we might say let's do as we have done in the past trade something out for it rather than add something to it because if you add something to it the expectation is we're going to go ahead and spend the money and that means we're not balanced anymore
And I will say, I believe that actually is on the five-year CIP. It might not have been for this year. So when we come back to your point, when we come back in October, we can review those projects. One point that I think is worth mentioning is with hotels reopening this week, we will not receive any Measure C funding or TOT until July 31st at the earliest.
And so we aren't going to have this funding anytime soon, and this is over the entire year. So we have some time until we start working on these projects as it takes some time to collect the funds.
And while we're waiting to collect the funds, we're going to be living off of our reserves, right? Correct. Yeah, so everybody needs to understand that that money is not just sitting there idle. We're gonna have... That's our cash or capital working capital. Randy you had your hand up?
I just had on the same discussion. I was talking to James earlier today. I'd like to bring back to council sometime soon and that's a different type of discussion regarding Measure C funding and TOT funding Mayor, you brought it up more than once that the 20% that we move to Fund 31 part of it covers road and sidewalk and curb and things of that nature. Things that are technically earmarked for Measure C funding only And then you said the other half goes into facility restoration, maintenance and things of that nature.
I'd like to see us have a discussion about where we take all of Measure C money and earmark it for parking lot lighting And streets, curbs, gutters and things of that nature. And we just allocate Measure C funding for that specifically then we come back to TOT and now we can earmark specific needs of the community such as Susan's benches or picnic tables in parks We can actually now identify what those needs are and clearly transfer monies over just to cover that. And then the last thing in it is we don't have anywhere in any of these discussions about how we're going to repay back our reserves, and I'd like to see us start putting a greater percentage of the TOT that we used to fund 31 out of back into the reserves. But I'd like to have that conversation sooner or later, obviously not tonight but I think it's a worthwhile conversation.
Right now the challenge, I agree with you Andy, but the challenge right now is to not further deplete the reserve as opposed to increase it. The sooner we get the turnaround, I think we should be budgeting what they always say on those ads about first thing Again, personal finance and pay yourself. Put some money in your savings account. That's what we should be doing too. But unfortunately with the pandemic, we have no idea what our income is going to be or we have a poor idea. So OK, James, sorry I got you off.
Yeah that's all good point and we can come back to talk about the measure C transfer or the TOT transfer in measure C and how that's apportioned.
Is this a good time to break and take public comment?
I have two slides, but yeah.
Okay go ahead
So quickly, I think one of the last kind of round of decisions that we have to make and it's something that you know the Budget Committee and staff have not typically weighed in on is the community organization funding. We've talked about this a few times last year. We had $231,000 in the budget and we provided facilities to both the Ojai Museum and the help of Ojai at some which has some value.
This year what's included in the budget is $114,000 because we took it back to the prior year amount and then also the Arts Commission's reduced $35,000 request is included in there. Prior year had 40,000 in there so since they reduced it we had included that in the proposed budget And then the facilities for the museum and the help of Ojai are also still obviously included in our current budget. So essentially there's $114,000 that council could discuss how to distribute it if they desire to distribute it.
That's one of the pending items and that's the end of the presentation.
Okay do we have any public comments? The general ones that don't address budget or some of the other items on the agenda We have public comments on budget, yes. That's it? We don't have any because it's the 730 time when there was no...
Oh I'm sorry. No, I didn't understand general public comments. Yes we do have some and we provided those uh comments to you um the uh we received three comments regarding ATP project two comments opposing the project and one comment supporting And we got seven comments regarding Pickleball. All seven were in support of Pickleball, and then the rest are about the budget it appears.
Didn't we get one opposing Pickleball from a neighbor?
We actually have-
Yes.
What happened
though this is- Okay. Come on up.
I want to make a comment because we get public comments in addition to what is shown here of there were two public comments from neighbors, I believe.
Yeah so what shows here are the comments submitted through the clerk's office as identified in the agenda? We had this last week too. Some people send comments directly to the City Council, which they do not come in through the city clerk's email that we track for the meetings.
Okay, but do we have any that need to be read or summarized addressing subjects that are not on the agenda? I'm not hearing anything. So, I guess we don't have any more public comment other than what you just summarized that we had two in favor or two opposed one in favor of the ATP is that right? Yes. And then we had a number of pickleball comments that were favorable and a couple that were not so favorable. What else do we have?
The other public comments are on the budget.
Okay, so we'll come back to the budget now Do we have staff questions of James or should we open the public hearing? Okay, let's public hearing is now open. What do we have James?
So we did receive some audio recordings that have requested to be played and I believe I've heard the request from a majority of councils to play them so council members to play them. If desired, so we can play those now.
I believe there's... If so then go ahead.
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Are we keeping, oh
okay. Are you playing them?
James you're still sharing your screen before you open your email. Yeah let me,
good catch.
Okay
so we're trying to play them but
When I learned that our city of Ojai spends one third of its general fund on police services, I felt strongly that this large expenditure deserves additional oversight. It cannot be prudent to allocate $3.5 million this fiscal year to an organization that has refused to update our contract with them. And when I learned that our city has almost no real influence in the enforcement policies of sheriffs, I felt that this contractual relationship has become bereft of the basic trust and accountability between service providers and clients.
This breakdown of trust has been accelerated recently by VCSO employees and a county district attorney investigator breaking the law in defacing the First Amendment protected sign in our neighboring city of Thousand Oaks. The sign simply read BLM, and was slashed and defaced by public servants. What is there to argue with in saying that Black Lives Matter? It could be that accountability is threatening to systems of law enforcement and judicial carceral bodies, such as VCSO and the Office of the District Attorney. And that by saying black lives matter we are also saying that brown lives matter, and poor lives matter, and undocumented lives matter, and mentally ill lives matter and unhoused lives matter.
These are the very lives the VCSO and district attorney unduly harm. Why are we paying, as a city, millions of dollars year after year to VCSO to harass unhoused people in our community instead of simply increasing the access to harm reduction and housing assistance programs? Social services are more impactful and cost efficient than law enforcement. There is currently no County Services Office within the Ojai Valley. Instead, people must go to an independent and underfunded local organization, help of Ojai's Community Assistance Program on Fox Street to apply for county services. This lengthens the process when people need help now.
Our renegotiations should be carried out in collaboration with neighboring contracting cities to right the wrongs that have been allowed to grow for decades in the VCSO and police unions. A practical model would be to reduce the amount we and the other cities pay the VCSO every year, until our general funds more adequately reflect our values and known best practices serving community well-being. We should start by reducing it by half.
The bottom line is there must be a reassessment of the contract. If they are unwilling to negotiate our contract, we must consider alternative methods of policing. Thank you for your time.
That was Emma Bailey
Okay. Do we have more? Yeah, there's three more. Okay.
Aaron Schneider is next.
Hi, my name is Aaron Snyder. I'm a constituent of the town of Ojai California and I call upon you as a leader and representative of my town to step up to support black lives in this time of crisis. Specifically, I'm calling on you to find a way to renegotiate the contract with the Ventura County Sheriff's Office in order to insist upon changes with respect to use of force practices. The city of Ojai spends a third of its general fund on police services and such a large sum deserves additional oversight. It's not prudent to allocate $3.5 million to an organization that has refused to update our contract with them. There must regularly be a two-way reassessment of the contract. If they're unwilling to renegotiate our contract, we must consider alternative methods of policing.
Making matters worse in recent years and even in recent weeks there's been a marked breakdown in trust between the VCSO and the communities it is sworn to protect. This fact is particularly visible in the killing of Megan Hockaday and in the recent vandalism of a Black Lives Matter sign in Thousand Oaks by county employees. I want to see the police budget cut in half, and that money applied to social services that can better serve the needs of the community.
I want Ojai to insist upon significant and far-reaching restrictions on use of force by police officers without taking no for an answer. Moreover, I want to see a marked reduction in racial profiling that happens in our town. Data must be collected in a systematic, searchable manner. I'm calling for documentation of acts of discrimination like the ones we've detailed. I demand investigation and consequences for all those who are reported. And I insist on transparency. Regular reports from the Town Government on the state of racist policing in the town.
I propose adapting a Type 1 Review Board as delineated in the U.S. Department of Justice's Citizens' Review of Police Approaches and Implementation, where citizens investigate allegations of police misconduct and recommend findings to the chief or sheriff. It is essential that this review board have independent subpoena power. Thank you for your time.
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Owen Coyle is next. Then there's one more.
I am a resident of the city of Ojai, California and I call upon you as a leader and representative of my city to step up to support Black lives in this time of crisis. Specifically, I'm calling on you to find a way to renegotiate the contract with the Ventura County Sheriff's Office in order to insist upon changes with respect to use of force practices across the Ventura County Sheriff's Office's jurisdiction.
The City of Ojai spends one third of its general fund on Ventura County Sheriff's Office services and such a large sum deserves additional oversight. It is not prudent to allocate $3.5 million to an organization that has refused to update our contract with them. If they are unwilling to renegotiate our contract we must consider alternative methods of policing Making matters worse, in recent years and even in recent weeks there has been a marked breakdown in trust between the Ventura County Sheriff's Office and the communities it has sworn to protect. This fact is particularly visible in the killing of Megan Hockaday and in the recent vandalism of a Black Lives Matter sign in Thousand Oaks by county employees.
I want to see the police budget for the City of Ojai cut in half and that money applied to social services that can better serve the needs of the community. The majority of crimes in our community are misdemeanors or drug enforcement, and the violent crime rate is lower than ever. I want the City of Ojai to work with other cities that contract with the Ventura County Sheriff's Office to push for significant and far-reaching restrictions on the use of force by sheriff's officers across Ventura County. Data on racial profiling must be collected in a systematic, searchable manner. I'm calling for documentation of acts of discrimination like the ones we have detailed. I demand investigation and consequences for all those who are reported. And I insist on transparency.
Regular reports from the city government on the state of racist policing in the city. I propose adapting a Type 1 Review Board as delineated in the U.S. Department of Justice's Citizens' Review of Police Approaches and Implementation, where citizens investigate allegations of police misconduct and recommend findings to the chief or sheriff. It is essential that this review board have independent subpoena power. Thank you for your time.
There's one more, I don't have the name for this person.
Ojai City Council, I am a constituent of the town of Ojai California and I call upon you as a leader and representative of my town to step up to support black lives in this time of crisis. Specifically, I'm calling on you to find a way to renegotiate the contract with Ventura County Sheriff's Office in order to insist upon changes with respect to use-of-force practices The city of Ojai spends a third of its general fund on police services, and such a large sum deserves additional oversight.
It is not prudent to allocate $3.5 million to an organization that has refused to update our contract with them. There must regularly be a two-way reassessment of the contract. If they are unwilling to negotiate our contract, we must consider alternative methods of policing. Making matters worse, in recent years and even in recent weeks there has been a marked breakdown in trust between the VCSO and the communities it is sworn to protect.
This fact is particularly visible in the killing of Megan Hockaday and in the recent vandalism of a Black Lives Matter sign in Thousand Oaks by county employees I want to see the police budget cut in half and that money applied to social services that can better serve the needs of the community. I want Ojai to insist upon significant and far-reaching restrictions on use of force by police officers without taking no for an answer. Moreover, I want to see a marked reduction in the racial profiling named above.
Data must be collected in a systematic searchable manner I'm calling for documentation of acts of discrimination like the ones we have detailed. I demand investigation and consequences for all those who are reported, and I insist on transparency. Regular reports from the town government on the state of racist policing in town. I propose adapting a Type 1 Review Board S delineated in the U.S. Department of Justice's Citizens' Review of Police Approaches and Implementation, where citizens investigate allegations of police misconduct and recommend findings to the chief or sheriff.
It is essential that this review board have independent subpoena power. Thank you for your time. My name is Sarah DelVecchio.
Those are the four that we've received.
Mayor?
Yes,
excuse me. I had a request from Andra Belknap that I read her statement. It's under three minutes.
Okay.
Go ahead. Okay and if I notice some repetition I'll try to not read that part okay. First, we know that our VCSO contract represents approximately one third of Ojai's general fund. We know that Ojai's current police contract has not been meaningfully revised since the early 80s even though the text of the contract calls for revisions each five years at most. We know that the Ventura County grant jury called on the VCSO to revise their contracts with contract cities in 2012 eight years ago What are we waiting for?
Second, I'm not at all convinced that the service VCSO provides our community annually is worth $3.5 million. It would frankly be quite difficult to make an informed judgment about the efficiency of VCSO services given the lack of transparency in the contracting process. Here is what I do know about DCSO services during the period 2016 to 2018, the most recent dates for which these figures are available.
Thanks to OIA request, I'm not sure what that acronym stands for.
Freedom of Information Act.
Oh, of course! Thank you. From Campaign Zero. 64% of VSO arrests during this period represent misdemeanors 32% represent drug offenses and 6% represent violent crime During that period, 73 inmates were transferred to ICE custody and 11 died in jail. I unfortunately don't have statistics regarding the racial makeup of VCSO arrests during this period but we do have that data for the Ventura Police Department During the aforementioned period, 26% of Ventura's population was Latino.
Yet data shows that Latinos represent more than 40% of the people arrested by Ventura Police Department during that period. My questions, what do these numbers look like for our community? Is this what we want to spend one third of our tax dollars on? Third, this council should be aware that two Ventura County employees were arrested over the weekend. I didn't know they were arrested over the weekend for defacing a Black Lives Matter sign in Thousand Oaks. One man is an employee of VCSO, the other worked for the Ventura County District Attorney's Office.
CBS has reported that the VCSO employee has been placed on administrative leave, which I can only assume means he is still receiving a publicly funded paycheck. If we can't trust VCSO employees- Not to deface a sign that simply states Black Lives Matter. I don't trust the organization to safely police our communities. Thank you for your attention to these issues, Andra Belknap.
Thank you Susan. Did Andra move back to town?
Yes. Andra, for those who don't know she's the daughter of former city manager Andy Belknap.
Okay James where are we here do we have any more? So
we don't have
any more,
but I think with it being a public hearing and the city attorney can confirm or correct me. I believe we need to pause for a minute to send all of the full public comments to
you. Yeah thank you Mr. Vega that's correct under the pandemic orders by the governor particularly Governor's Executive Order number N6320 under which we're operating to have a public hearing by Zoom or other electronic media, we need to receive all public comments by email up to now sent to cityclerk at OjaiCity.org and then take a pause for a couple of minutes for the council to receive and consider those items.
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Did I open the public hearing or did we just go to comments? I
think we did open the public hearing before we took the audio comments. Okay,
well, if that's what I maybe neglected to make it clear I'll say you know the hearing is open and we'll continue taking comments. James do you have anybody else to send anything in?
So if we could pause to send all those emails over to you. I think we have 12 total.
We need to send them all, send every email to council. Yeah so I think you may have just been sent summary so far
yeah okay
ready i just have a question is
this a new format
Yeah. And
so,
you know, we had it on, it was a format we had in place for last week's public or last two weeks public, public hearings, but there were no comments during those public hearings exactly on the, um, On the, uh, the annual street lighting district assessment. So now we actually have public comments hence the need for putting this method into practice.
I'll take a five minute break for this to come. That's what I would
request.
Yeah, I also have a comment that was recently submitted this afternoon from Michelle Leahy just didn't connect with the police matters so I didn't read it. It's So
if I could clarify. Pardon me, Mr. Mayor, I didn't quite hear Bill what you said something about a five-minute break?
I think that the city manager is asking for a five minute break to get these public comments to us.
Okay so why don't we do that right now and then we'll come back. Is that acceptable? Yeah. Okay so we're taking a five minute recess while they transfer the emails to us right?
Yep, so you should get an email from our Deputy City Clerk and then you'll have a couple minutes to review those.
Okay thank you. Okay, well has everybody had a chance to read the... Are we on?
We're live.
Okay, does everybody have a chance to look at the emails that the clerk forwarded to us? If I'm correct most of them are relating to police services and are recommending that the city take a new fresh look in how we provide police services and renegotiate our contract with the Sheriff's office That's a very complex issue and not really something we're going to do this evening.
Right now, we're adopting the budget which does include money to enter into a contract with the sheriff or to order services and my question of the staff James if you're out there Yes, you're right on my screen. Do we have a date yet for meeting with the Sheriff's administration?
The chief and I were just discussing we are working on scheduling that meeting. I think the one point I want to make is adopting the budget doesn't lock us into anything. We didn't include any service level request or anything with the budget but we are working on coordinating the meeting with the sheriff's department to review
And so the appropriation we'd be authorizing is money to be spent for police services of some sort in an amount that's approximate of what we expect to spend this coming year based upon what we would have spent during the current year.
Yes,
Bill.
I wanted to clarify the comment just for the public that the city manager just made. One of the provisions on the contract is we request services, and at that time they're supposed to tell us the pricing of those services. And so what he's saying is that approving the budget tonight is not approving a services request, and therefore we're not locking into anything for the next fiscal year. I just want to make that clear. And so I think right now we're just, we're talking about a budget approval that hopefully will be subject to adjustment after discussion with the Sheriff's Department. And also to get clear that there's two principles I think are very important.
One is the county I think we really need to talk to the county about insisting that every contract with each of their clients be the same in the various cities. That's not, I don't think that maximizes the benefits to each community and this will come up again with the animal services issue. And second of all, the magnitude of the amount of money that we are spending More than anyone else in terms of our taxing capacity, however you want to look at it. So I think we are in a good position to be able to make the case and Mayor, I want to appreciate your insights into how this is all developed and how to approach opening the discussion so I really want to appreciate that. I think we have some real degrees of freedom here In terms of looking at the kinds of services that make sense for our community, and also how we can really make the case relative to taxing capacity.
We are contributing more than any other jurisdiction in the county.
Thank you Bill. James I just got a note that said we received, in fact I just saw a letter from Sophia Arcey. Did everybody get that?
Yes, I received
it. It's also underlining basically what was said in the recordings and the other letters that I wanted to
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share with
you for Sophia's concerns.
Because it was similar to the other ones.
Right. Can I make another inquiry
Mayor? Mayor, I do see a couple of points that are different as I go down.
Okay well let's hear from Bill and then we'll come back to you and you can make
Very quick question. James, I believe we would be able to approve the budget tonight with just the total amount for community support and bring back that more for more detailed debate on another agenda item? Yes. That's to be divided.
Yes, we could do that. The only note I will make is that I think each of those, each of the two organizations that have requested funding would typically bill in July so that would be the only holdup.
I would like to read comments in Sophie Arce's letter to us that were different. So, I don't know if you have it in front of you. At a protest in Ojai children spoke out about blatant racism they've experienced in our schools and their fear of the local police. They courageously discussed the everyday alienation they feel as non-white residents of our town.
I learned about the murders of Megan Hockaday Alfonso Limon, Michael Mahoney, Robert Ramirez and Juan Zavala all lives taken by police in our county. I am writing to ask that you end your contract with the Ventura Police Department and use that money to create solutions that work for the people of our city, or at least invest less money in it and reinvest in public safety and educations. Our schools need support not to be patrolled by police. Children are scared.
I am enraged by Ojai's enormous budget on police services. I'm going to not read that whole part, but then she makes an important point. Research has shown that community efforts to address homelessness food insecurity and mental health keep people far safer than putting more officers on the street. We do not need more police we need far fewer police and we need Immediate help for the Ojai community members bearing the brunt of the ongoing recession. I call on you to slash police spending, reinvest that money in developing our communities like public school. We can't cut programs that help our communities in order to protect our soaring police budget. Instead we should set an example for cities across America by eliminating The Ventura County Police Department's bloat in investing in our most vulnerable, in affordable housing, education jobs and more.
I think the point that all the letters have made is that we should examine investing more in social services and seeing if we can then lessen the police budget by preventative investment in social services. And I think that's, that's it. Thank you.
Okay.
Yeah.
Right. I, you know, this topic, I have a lot to say I've talked with a lot of people in our community I've studied a lot for my time at USC to dive a lot of different opinions but I'm going to ask this now. If there's a second, if there is not, I understand but I would like to bring this topic back up for a longer discussion at an appropriate time and another meeting when it's on the agenda. Not necessarily...I don't know what our agenda decision would be but I know that this is a discussion that's worth more than just a couple quick synopsis of a couple comments I have a lot of opinions I would like to share. If there is a second I would like to dedicate time at a future meeting as soon as possible to discuss this more in-depth.
That could be part of the discussion. I second Ryan's question.
Well, I think that it's a good idea. We do need to do this and we also need to have some public education as to how all these different services come together and who provides them because once again most people seem to think that we are the center of the universe here in Ojai which i like to think we are too but there are limits how much we can influence the others. But I think it's always worthwhile to one, be transparent in what we're doing and two, to make sure that the citizens of the town understand what we're doing and why.
So we'll put that on... I'm not sure when they... Which agenda? July 14th. Yeah. It depends on what else we have going there and how much progress we've made in being able to talk with the Sheriff's office. But yes, okay any well I don't need an approval or objection. The answer Ryan is it's a good suggestion we're gonna do it. Thank you.
Okay before you close the public hearing when is the appropriate time to read Michelle's comments? Michelle Lee, do you want to do that as we go through the budget or are we?
Michelle's comment on which part of it.
On the overall budget.
We received it. Did you want her read it?
Yeah she wants it to be read.
Okay well now is a good time. Go
ahead. Good evening. I'm concerned that the proposed budget falls short of adequately responding to the climate crisis. I should add that this is from Michelle for the public, this is from Michelle Ellison who is a member of our Climate Emergency Mobilization Committee so she says While there's great financial uncertainty due to COVID, we are still making choices now about how we intend to spend whatever money we do have. It appears that cutting our emissions isn't receiving as much of a focus as it should. Other wants and quote are taking precedent over needs. We urgently need to stop burning fossil fuels. Our very survival depends on it.
And she makes the point that in terms of measure C funding, climate mitigation is allocated just 76,000 out of 1,490. Wait, I read that wrong, 1 million 490. Am I reading that right James? It should be about 1 million 490. Yeah. Thank you. That's a measly 5%. Are the other expenditures really more important than ensuring we have a habitable planet? I urge you to significantly increase the percentage allocated for climate mitigation.
The other two, and this is another point, the other two environmental related budget items ATP and Stewart Canyon Are both funded by grants and don't deal directly with reducing the city's own emissions. Why are we not allocating any funds to reduce the carbon footprint for city operations specifically, like converting gas furnaces to electric heat pumps in city buildings? There are some optional discretionary would be nice items currently in budget that could be postponed to give priority to climate action.
And she said this in an earlier email, if I had to choose just one project to reduce the city's emissions this year it would be get rid of all gas heating and city facilities and convert them to electric heat. Since the city will be considering potential reach codes for building electrification soon, this would also set an important example where the community, the city would walk the talk. We just replaced the old gas furnace in our home with an electric mini split heat pump system and it's much more efficient and runs on clean energy.
Thank you.
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Are there any other comments before we close the public hearing? Okay, hearing none. Going once going twice okay public hearing is now closed and it is brought back to council for deliberation and action.
In order to move forward I'm gonna move approval of the budget as proposed by staff. Is
there a second?
Mayor?
Are you seconding?
I'll second it for discussion.
Well, you've seconded it okay now yeah what Randy go ahead.
Well we're still shy $52,000 in the funding allocations for the museum, the chamber and the arts am I correct James? We've allocated 114 and it adds up to 166 The
$35,000 for the arts is separately included. It's not in that $114,000. OK, because
you had bunched it with the same group when I was looking at it?
Yeah. And my motion is specifically intended not to take up the division detail tonight but just to approve it, the overall amount.
OK. Other questions of staff? Okay, roll call. Is the clerk here?
Yes.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion is specifically intended not to take up the division detail tonight but just to approve it, the overall amount. OK. Other questions o
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Is that it? Motion carries. Yes. Okay,
the next item on the agenda is the emergency response and update. James?
Thank you this I have one last presentation it'll be my last presentation here today
We wanted to just have a brief overview. The Board of Supervisors met this morning and also had a brief overview, and we wanted to make sure
To pass on some of that, that information and to a council into the public as well. We wanted to start by kind of showing the statistics of coronavirus back on May 26. Versus today. And so we just want to show that quickly just so people see what the trends are back on May 26, we had 912 cases in Ventura County with 29 new cases reported that day. Six cases in Ojai, 23 hospitalized patients, 13 within the ICU and 30 deaths at that time.
Testing had just started to pick up so we're at 22,685 tested. And essentially we had about 4.1% of total cases are tested were testing positive. And so now fast forward a month This is the most recent statistics released by the county this morning. There are 2,161 total cases, 131 new cases reported yesterday, 14 cases in Ojai. Ojai still is doing well and I think that's because of all the efforts put in by residents and council and others to ensure social distancing.
We have 51 currently hospitalized, and I will get back to that in a minute. That's an important number. 14 in the ICU which is not much of an increase from a month ago. But 43 deaths at this time and we've had 50,780 tested with a 4.25% positive rate. The key number right now in the county spoke about this at length this morning is the number hospitalized and that has increased almost doubled in a month.
And essentially, people may have heard that about 10 days ago the County of Ventura had been put on the state watch list which means that the state was going to be in close communication with the county about how the reopening will go and potentially could slow down the reopening for the county. We got off the watch list but we were on the watch list because the hospitalization numbers had spiked And so today the concerning thing that for us to watch and keep in mind is the number has increased again. We have not, we don't believe that will be put back on the watch list at this point but it's a number that we have to closely watch and again the reason is if that number spikes it would likely lead to you know a slowdown in reopening or potentially you know a pause potentially even closing certain sectors.
So the numbers, you know the big picture is that the new cases haven't stopped but what we're hoping is happening is flattening the curve and we're watching for any spikes.
That number's pretty high isn't it? For a one day?
Yes so to my knowledge that was the largest one-day increase. Quick question
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I heard on one of those briefing calls that there are some transfers from other counties into Ventura County because our capacity is very good. Are those hospitalization numbers, are they net of the transfers from other counties or include those? You
know, I'm not sure they had said at one point that our numbers were Ventura County residents but I'm not sure specifically if that includes the hospitalization numbers.
Okay, I was wondering about that.
Okay we can find out. What
was the number of deaths in May? What what was that number again? 30. There you go okay so about a 50 percent increase almost.
Mayor James what was the on the number of people tested it was a month ago what was uh the numbers 22 000 So we've almost doubled the testing. By the way, I did test, I did take the test and it gets you on your tippy toes. I'm telling you they run that straw pretty deep.
But I watched my wife go through it was difficult to watch.
Yeah however, I'm just looking at the percentage still. It's interesting the fact that went from 4.1 to 4.2 and we've doubled the testing so that number seems to be of the tested positive has kind of reached a plateau itself.
I have a question, Mayor. Usually Dr. Levin tells us whether or not the deaths were comorbidity do you know James all of them and sometimes he'll tell us the ages if they're over 90 that sort of thing
I believe he did say that at this point they've all still had comorbidities, but I was trying to find my notes to confirm that. I think he did say that this morning, but we'll confirm that.
Susan what point are you trying to make when you ask that question?
The
second time you brought it up and i'm not sure what you mean
But it means that they had underlying health conditions such as heart disease, cancer. That these are vulnerable people, these are not deaths that are just coming out of the blue. They're not healthy people that had bad luck. I mean, the main point is that they had underlying health issues. It's not to say that this is not a sad turn of events at their deaths that may have been hastened by the coronavirus but I think it's important for the public to realize that you know, the fact that these people had underlying health conditions or they were over 90 years old Things like that. Some of them were with the younger ones, at least one was a drug overdose, that sort of thing.
But your point is what? Clearly everybody has said that the age and comorbidity makes you at greater risk. Yes. Right. But the people who have the disease carry the disease and communicate the disease can be any age And when they fail to understand that social or physical distancing is important and wearing a mask is important, I don't know what Randy's getting at. But the reaction I have to that kind of comment is well, don't worry about it if you're not old and led a desolate life or had bad luck with your health.
My point is 43 people have died in our community, and I don't really care what condition they had or have. It's the fact that we have a loss of life. We have a loss of either grandparents or parents or brothers or sisters. And the fact that we wanna mince it or mix it up with well they had a pre-existing condition to me is so irrelevant. It' s the fact that 43 people have died in our community and that's a huge loss.
That's where I'm coming from.
It is relevant as to risk, it's not relevant if you're one of the people at risk and somebody else is carrying the disease and not being careful
Or someone in your family has died, or someone that you've known has died. I think it's important
for the public to understand the circumstances of these deaths. That's the only point I'm trying to make. There is no underlying motivation that we should be careless if we're young and healthy. That's not my point. Anyway, and then we have to keep in mind that people do die. It's a fact of life. You know, that's just part of the whole picture. Okay.
Mayor? Yes. I just wanted to add quickly, I had a really difficult time finding this information online so i just want to share it publicly. It's actually really difficult to find but the current no fee drive-through testing sites available in Ventura County, the closest one is Ventura College which is 10am to 7pm Monday through Friday and Moorpark College in Moorpark, the Ford dealership in Santa Paula and Oxnard College in Oxnard. I'm not going to go through all the times, most of them are 10- they're all 10 to 7. They have a couple different dates uh i actually had a really hard time finding that on stuff. I you know we I get emails from the county directly. I want to make sure people are aware of that it's also been highly um put out there publicly that on July 2nd there will be antibody testing in the Ojai Valley.
It's not actually in Ojai, it's gonna be I know because of the distance and the timing, a lot of people I've talked to in the community have not necessarily gotten down there for that or they haven't gotten tested. And people been asking me is it free? Do you need insurance? These are drive-through, no appointment, no insurance necessary. You should look to see what the symptomatology is supposed to be before you go necessarily take a test but it is available and it's important that people are aware of it and if they need any help finding it, you can always contact me or the city will help you because it's actually really buried in the county site. Aside from that I just want to say I have actually been self quarantining for last two weeks And I've been concerned.
On Father's Day, I couldn't go see my dad because I was around some people. I haven't had any symptoms. I don't believe I'm infected but I obviously don't know exactly for sure although I have been tested once and it was negative. But I just want to say that some of these things are really tough. The social responsibility we have is a really important factor in all this and It's not always fun, it's necessary.
But I couldn't see my dad on Father's Day just because I was concerned if I was potentially carrying something in his current medical condition. And just to remind everybody that these numbers are going up, we gotta be really cognizant of everyone. And lastly, I just wanted to kind of give a shout out to all of our city and especially to James that we were early on the masks.
And while there is a debate out there about the veracity of masking, I can say this. We have the lowest per capita 100,000 infection rate in the county where the first ones to go to mass so you know we should all make that sacrifice and continue to do it. It apparently at least our community has worked. So I just want to remind everyone of that.
Thank you Ryan. Thanks James. Where are we?
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So similarly, we had noticed that it was hard to find information on testing. I pulled this slide up real quick. We had put some of the websites out where you can go to get more information on just testing in general, the antibody testing coming up in the Ojai Valley. And then also we just heard that UCLA and Cal Lutheran are doing a study, and they're offering antibody testing at Oxnard Fire Department for county residents.
And it'll be essentially a study to look and try to figure out how to trace this back. So there are three websites here, and we'll post the information on our website as well. It is difficult to find. Just quickly, just to kind of, we won't go back through everything but just to remind people because over the last two weeks since our last Council meeting several modifications have come out.
May 7th when businesses started to reopen, including retail businesses with curbside delivery. May 12th office-based businesses, pet groomers, outdoor museums and other public spaces were able to reopen and the state released guidelines for restaurant dining. May 20th which I believe is right before our last council meeting hair salons and barber shops were permitted to reopen In case anybody hasn't heard on May 21st, the city of Ojai issued an executive order allowing outdoor expanded dining space and that we have now nine businesses who have signed up for. And if businesses are interested in doing so they can contact the city to move that forward.
On June 1st which was after our most recent council meeting The state issued guidance in the county adopted it for long term care visitation to begin again and homeowners association pools to reopen. On June 11th, the county similarly adopted state guidelines for places of worship to reopen. Campgrounds, RV parks, outdoor recreation, racetracks, day camps, family entertainment centers, fitness facilities, lodging, restaurants, bars, wineries, although those others in asterisks it's if they serve food School and school-based programs, museums and others. So the point of this slide is a lot has reopened in the last couple weeks. And so we were trying to kind of summarize for anybody who has questions about particular areas on the county has created a website called BC Reopens and you can go to that website and click which area you're interested in and it will give you the regulations and guidelines On June 15, since our last meeting we issued an executive order that allows fitness classes to be held at our parks to promote social distancing.
It created a low cost fee just for scheduling and coordinating, I believe it's $20 fee. And we've now had two fitness instructors sign up for that. No contact sports are allowed, but we're hoping that gives people a chance to exercise safely outside instead of in cramped rooms where it's difficult to distance. And then most recently, and probably most importantly was June 18th. The states of California's face covering order went into effect in many public places that should say many So now we continue to get questions about, you know why the face coverings required in within the city limits but not outside the city limits.
As of June 18th it's statewide so that hopefully will not be an issue and it should help everybody realize that it's required everywhere in California And the next step coming up on June 26th is that the county will allow, is expected to allow nail salons massage parlors and other personal care shops to open.
Mayor? You know I'm going to ask about our playgrounds
Yeah so we did ask about playgrounds, those haven't been opened yet but we're meeting Thursday again. So I will ask the county again about it with schools and school-based programs in which we're thinking that it's close and I should have noted somewhere in here or might have noted it in a separate slide. We did talk to the county about skate parks and as a result of Kind of our discussion they've allowed the skate parks to reopen throughout the county so that was one positive recently.
Yeah keep asking.
Yeah we will. So quickly, the California face covering requirement I won't go into all this level of detail but we get a lot of questions about what's actually required. It does require face coverings I have a couple of questions. Working in, when working when you are interacting with members of the public. So if you're working at home without anybody in the public there you do not have to wear a face covering that that caused some confusion.
Working in a space visited by the public. And one key thing here is they said the state of California said regardless of whether anyone else is present, we had said if you're in a store and there's no customers and nobody else working there it wouldn't be required but the state has gone further than that Working in any space where food is prepared, we had had questions about that and the state has now made that part of their order.
And there was one other key one that we've gotten questions about. The state's order says that face coverings are required well outdoors in public spaces when it's not feasible to maintain a physical distance of six feet from others outside your household. So essentially if you're getting near others that aren't, that you don't live with, you should put a face covering on is the state's order.
There are some exemptions for children under two people with medical conditions and people eating at a restaurant. That's the other one that comes up a lot. The other one actually I should mention is there's an exemption for anyone in So the state's order. has kind of implemented what we've been trying to do statewide as part of the reopening. And as a reminder, the state hasn't used the lingo quite as much lately but stage three was supposed to be when personal and hospitality services began which is projected June 26th so we're starting to slide into stage three at this point And movie theaters also I believe are going to open on June 26th if i recall correctly. I didn't mention that.
So we talked about testing, we also wanted to talk about some recent city actions. Hopefully people are seeing the Support Euro High Businesses banner that the task force had worked on. The task force that includes...I'll give a shout out to the Chamber of Commerce Jamie Fleming He has spearheaded that project. And we have a couple other members, including Council Member Weirich and Haney and some local businesses as well.
The city has recently installed touchless hand sanitizer stations. We've continued to have the hand wash stations and increased trash pickup and other sanitization efforts such as bathroom cleanups more frequently to reduce the possible risk of spread. As I mentioned earlier, we are now up to nine outdoor dining permits for local restaurants to encourage supporting local business safely with better social distancing.
As I mentioned earlier, we've reopened the skate parks, the tennis courts and then the pickleball courts with limited hours at this time. We will talk to the county on Thursday about the latest status of playgrounds Also, we're excited to announce that we are starting to gradually open. There are recreation programs with an emphasis on very small groups non contact sports and when possible trying to do outdoor activities as much as possible even we have a I believe it's a Lego Lego camp starting Monday and they are going to be playing with Legos outside this year. So we're trying to do that responsibly and safely, and gradually to make sure everybody's comfortable.
We had only a few participants in our day camp program, so we're going to keep an eye on that. If there's not interest you know we may not be able to support it, so anybody who's watching who has interest in that please visit the city's recreation page for more information. We continue to address issues at the trail, the farmers market and other locations where crowds can be issues And then I wanted to say this earlier, but I didn't want to get ahead of it is we appreciate everybody bearing with us during these virtual meetings which I know give people headaches. But the good news is the County's Board of Supervisors have opened their meetings and with that they have said that cities can begin to reopen our meetings to the public The county did have some issues this morning.
If anybody watched, they had some members of the public who they had marked off every other chair and they had some members of the public who refused to not use the chairs that were marked off and so they had to adjourn and escort some people out. So it hasn't been completely flawless yet but I'm confident here in Ojai that you know Our residents have responded great to this under trying circumstances. So we were considering and wanted to get feedback on reopening that July 14th meeting as most likely some sort of hybrid where some members could attend virtually, and some may want to attend physically. And we would open up our patio and have some seats outside with some distancing for people who want to come and participate.
So with that, that was the latest update. And like I said there's a couple items that we could discuss further. One last thing quickly is the Montgomery... We had talked last meeting about potentially closing Montgomery Street. We're meeting with businesses and we were reviewing that as an option at this time. We were hoping to have more to report, but the biggest challenge right now is that most of the businesses are shorthanded and so they are still not in a position where they're excited about opening and expanding out where they don't have the staff to support it.
At this time we're still talking about it at the task force meetings and trying to gauge how many people will participate. We think two businesses will participate at this point, so we will keep working on that and see if we can get the participation level to increase on that. And that's the latest update on kind of the coronavirus response
Thank you, James. Any questions of James on this topic before we move along?
Great presentation. For what it's worth, let everybody know this morning there was an article about Ventura County in the LA Times that had misapplied the numbers of positive cases kind of inversely when they cut and pasted into their database. I saw this on Facebook this morning. I reached out to the LA Times we got it corrected. I copied James on it In case anybody hears about it, they had Oakview listed as Oxnard with 600 plus cases. They had Ojai next somehow they got the whole thing completely botched. I saw it we got it taken care of but just in case anybody hears about it that was what was going on so everybody knows and in defense of the LA Times they were very quick and very apologetic I appreciate what the task force is doing.
Topa Topa had said in the paper that they were interested, no I haven't. It doesn't sound like that's working. I feel like I've heard more positive response on Montgomery but if that's what you guys are getting now, I appreciate that. I don't think we all hear the same voice from everybody we talk to when we go out there so I think that's part of it but I do hope It especially after seeing what Ventura is doing.
You know, as long as it's the merchants saying or the you know restaurant survey will say no and it's available out there then that's as far as we can go but I'm a little surprised but I understand where our community is right now. If you don't have enough people, it doesn't really help. But I do hope that...I've talked to so many people in the community who thought Montgomery Street was a wonderful idea. In fact, I'd even suggest if we end up doing it there may be a long-term application for that upper area.
Mr. Weirich and I, we were discussing that upper area and trying to fix that. This wasn't that long ago. I just want to put it out there in the world that there may be an opportunity at some point to look at maybe closing Montgomery up permanently. That might be a long-term better solution for that little area there than even spending all the money to repair it. I do hope that somebody opens up but obviously I appreciate the task force getting out there, get in the streets and getting information from everybody.
And it sure feels busy in town. It has the appearance of being your run-of-the-mill weekend summer day out there this weekend especially. So and I know we're really at half capacity on everything so it's an interesting feel for where we are. But I'm hoping that we can, as we can get capacity up appropriately and safely. I think there's an opportunity to make back some of the money we've lost over these months but I really appreciate both you guys working on it and the effort Jamie is putting in too. And over the last week, I've heard from a lot more merchants and operators in downtown saying yeah, yeah, we're in communication with everybody which I think is a really positive thing so thank you guys.
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OK, James are we ready for number
five? The only kind of action item from that was to approve the executive order creating a low fee park rental for fitness classes.
I'll move approval recommendations one two and three in the staff report.
Yeah,
I'll second that.
OK, moved and seconded. Any further discussion? I guess a roll call on that. We got money involved.
Susan has a
comment. James, did you automatically approve the reopening of farmers market using the Aliso Street entrance? Is that taken care of?
So we are working on that with them if We can either, I was comfortable working through that with them but unless council has concerns you can direct me to follow up on that. We had asked some follow-up questions about exactly how they were going to coordinate so if they address those we were pretty comfortable opening up that exit.
I'm good leaving that to James. Me too.
I just wanted to make a comment tagging on what Ryan was saying. The purpose of closing streets off the traffic is not just for residents, I mean not just for restaurants but the residents like the idea of having a public space where they can walk and social distance and not worry about being hit by cars. And a lot of cities are just doing events like car-free Sundays Those are cities are doing those kind of things and maybe down the road we can discuss something like that. You know, we're actually the whole town you know we have a day so the town can what it feels like to just roam freely you know? So that's part of the car-free day movement.
The car free street.
That is a proposal for another topic, but I understand your interest in being free. Coming to
a city near you.
People love it! Let's get a vote on our motion that James can institute the low fee park permit.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 moved and seconded. Any further discussion? I guess a roll call
Show transcript
Okay, moving right along number five agreement on Ventura Animal Services James
Oh we skipped one item
I heard a recall petition just land, I think.
We got two people here that are waiting in the wings. Sorry it took so long.
So I'll quickly introduce Steve Colame and Phil White who are on our Climate Emergency Mobilization Ad Hoc Committee, which I will call Climate Committee the rest of the meeting. As part of when council reviewed the committee and the charter, the council had asked the committee to come back with interim reports And the committee has placed several brief status reports on the City Council consent calendar, but today is the first interim report.
I think it's you know we're six months i believe into the committee. I might be off by a month or two but So with that, Steve Colame and Phil White wanted to provide this report and a brief presentation. They are on the meeting and I'll hand it over to them.
Very good. Given the hour, this can be scaled to the tolerance of the council at this point. So if you give me a sense for about how long you want to get into this I will scale it that way.
Well what are the parameters you're thinking of from quick to long? Oh from 10 minutes to two hours no. Okay okay how about 10 or
15 then? Okay that's what we'll aim for So just as a matter of background in terms of what we're asking for at this point, we were started as a committee by you on the 10th of December. And this is our six month time cycle. Originally the committee was commissioned only for the first six months. We were to have a couple of public meetings one we were able to have at the end of January And we were supposed to have one to present our preliminary report, which is what we had sent to you all about two weeks ago. I think everyone should've received that. We're quite proud of the report and the effort.
And the only thing that we're gonna be asking for tonight is that you receive and file that and put it on the city website under the climate committee so that the public can look at the recommendations of the committee. And so what I'm gonna try and do, let's see if I'm able to share my screen and get a PowerPoint up. Let's see. Is that clear to you? Because once I've done that, I can't see you.
I can see you.
It's not up yet, Steve. Oh it's
not?
Okay
so James does he have capability to share screen or did you give him a guess? Privilege. I think we're working on giving them the
capability.
Okay so what i'm looking at is my PowerPoint presentation so you can let me know when that should I will go ahead and proceed and then move ahead on the slides. We were given an initial six month time period. We were given an emergency that we weren't going to be able to meet all of the expectations. And so, we were given an extension through the end of the year.
We essentially have met the expectations in terms of what the Council was asking for us. You asked for input in four different areas. Energy, to investigate options Vehicle and other internal combustion engine investigate options to support low emission alternatives to internal combustion vehicles. Carbon sequestration, which is capturing carbon out of the atmosphere, to investigate options for removal of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere And specifically in city operations, you wanted recommendations from us on things that the city could do to incorporate a sense of urgency for addressing climate.
You should be able to share now. Well let's see I may have to go ahead and then start this all over again sorry about that
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Mayor, I want to request that the time starts when the slideshow starts because this is of great interest to the public. We have Dr. Colame himself.
You don't need to make a special request as this is public health. I don't think there's a timer. Well,
I've clicked on share my screen and what are you seeing anything?
No, we're not. No but you're doing a wonderful job. We should have the option to click on what screen you want to share. Are you
seeing anything?
I saw the City of Ojai
CEO. Tell me whether this is on the screen or not. We're not getting it, Steve. I don't know.
All
right.
You're doing a wonderful job so far. I'm not sure if the graphics are going to help you but you're doing well.
All right. Well they're wonderful graphics. Actually James has got a copy of the...
I could try to pull it up real quick let me see I will just say the report we received from you guys is really amazing, Steve. As robust and well done as I think we get reports ever so thank you very much especially from non-staff reports. No reason to put James over there. You've got the high tech timer going
on.
Oh look
at that!
Look at that!
Well you've got to expect it from the staff.
Whatever, you worked hard Steve. You
take your time.
There we go.
Okay so you've got it. Tell me when to change. Let's go ahead to the second, to the third slide. So we'll move ahead. So I really want to emphasize this because I don't think I've ever worked with a group quite like this before. And again, for the you know but for the public's interest Each one of you selected one individual to be on this committee. And we knew each other maybe in pairwise combinations, but this group had never gotten together until our first meeting.
And we've never taken a vote, we've never had a minority position and have worked incredibly collaboratively. Michelle Ellison who submitted a letter is a climate and energy powerhouse and she's been instrumental in I want to start by saying thank you to all of the people who are here today. Early on when the Ventura County established an air pollution control agency and separated from the LA Basin, he was the Air Pollution Control Officer for the county. And he's currently on the Ventura County Planning Commission and dealing with the general plan for the county in a very important role Jim Selman is an international coach and consultant of C-suite and board level companies specializing in large scale system change.
And he has absolutely taught us about the term alignment, and helped to guide the discussions of this group.
What about Brian? We lost you Steve!
biologic and sequestration work. And I'm a former faculty member of environmental health, which is one of the reasons I've been following this whole COVID thing and I've worked on climate science since, I hate to admit it, the mid-1970s and so it's close to my heart. Let's go ahead and go ahead a couple
of things. This is Johnny. You faded out on us there when you started to speak of Brian, why don't you repeat what you were saying about him? Can
you hear me now? Yes, we
can.
Okay yeah Brian Hawley is an ecologist and environmental scientist and he is a principal with Pax Environmental which is a local environmental consulting firm and he's the person that we rely on for carbon sequestration and things having to do with And we will continue to work on The things that we've done in the six months, that we have seen ourselves as an extension of James' staff. We've tried very hard to be helpful to the staff and not a burden and cost to the staff so we've been preparing materials including a letter on the county draft environmental impact report which is now going to be kicked back to the planning commission sometime next month if it goes on schedule. We've initiated discussions with the Ventura County Air Pollution Control District on developing a greenhouse gas inventory for the city.
Also in your consent calendar today we prepared a letter to go to the California Air Resources Board on their pre-rulemaking on small engine conversion and this really follows from The public works program of converting all of your lawn and garden equipment to battery electric. Go ahead and go forward. Two slides, if you may. Two slides? Yeah.
I went the wrong way. No that's weird.
Oh
okay i got it
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So what I want to discuss here is... What we did in coming up with our recommendations, so there are an awful lot of things that are related to climate and the environment. We had a half day meeting at the high school with the community and compiled a large list of suggestions What we decided to do is to focus this phase of our efforts exclusively on mitigation measures rather than adaptation measures.
And in our report, we talked about the difference between proactive versus reactive in the global pandemic. So for mitigation, it is addressing specifically the cause of climate change. It's what can we do as a city to reduce our greenhouse gas impacts or reduce the amount of carbon dioxide that we emit and methane and other gases that are affected? As opposed to adaptation.
An adaptation for climate would be if you're on the coast, either building seawalls or moving inland. For the Ojai Valley it might be if as the climate changes essentially we are victims of that changing environment What happens when the agriculture that we have now is not compatible with the climate that we're in? So, we would be adapting to that. We will need to adapt regardless of anything else so our focus is on what we can do as leaders to mitigate that and to take an aggressive stance at that mitigation So the next thing that we did was we focused on measures that would have the greatest greenhouse gas reduction potential. There are lots of things that are good to do, that may have sort of nibble at the borders but we tried to focus on the major sources of greenhouse gas in Ojai And then finally, because we're just four plus square miles, we were focusing on policies and programs that were within the addressable focus of the city of Ojai.
So that was the filter that we used. There are going to be community members who And the city may feel that their pet idea was not included. And there was really no affront in that we were really trying to follow this filter so we could provide you with the most impactful ways of the city addressing climate.
I have questions, but we'll wait until
the end. I'm not sure that we want to get into the weeds today, especially if we want to try and keep to that time schedule. We addressed the issues that were raised in our charter for vehicles and internal combustion engines. We have to be aggressive if we're going to actually meet the goals of the Paris Accords and stop more than one and a half degrees C increase in temperature. So we envisioned an Ojai that would eventually be all electric vehicles, I mean that's happening faster than was ever anticipated but there are things that can be done in terms of policies that will support and accelerate that.
At the very end, I will talk about the small gas engine issue because we've already had a big impact at the state level in the California Air Resources Board. So we also talked about energy. I mean, there is still so much that can be done in energy conservation. We've got a lot of homes that have single pane windows that are leaky. There is much that can be done with advanced building electrification, installation of solar with battery backup. There are a lot of tools that are out there and available to us I'm closer to the depression of the 30s, things are going to have to be done to accelerate the economy and get back on our feet.
Our committee is looking at ways in which The City of Ojai can be shovel-ready with a number of these projects so that when funds are available at the state, federal level we're ready to jump to that with programs in hand. Next slide? So in carbon sequestration, I think the council has already agreed that you want to renew our international tree status. One of the easiest ways of capturing and sequestering carbon out of the atmosphere so it's sort of the opposite of the generation is through planting of trees.
I would encourage that be done wisely with native plantings and trees known to hold carbon for generations. We want to encourage the city to electrify city buildings. And I think Michelle Ellison had put in a request for doing that, it doesn't appear that we have the budget for doing that immediately or partly due to circumstances. To harden of the city buildings with solar panels and battery backup systems I think the city's already committed that on replacement, the vehicle fleet should be electric vehicles whenever possible. And to make climate mitigation a high priority and finally we added in the next slide... I'm skipping a couple of things that the city, I mean we punch way beyond our weight Taking the will of this city, the emphasis on green living.
The emphasis that we've already had on energy conservation and on climate mitigation and use that to advocate outside of the city. And skip two more slides. I was gonna just quickly show, skip one more slide Something that happened, and this is where the city of Ojai punches beyond its weight. When we applied for the grant from the Air Pollution Control District for converting Greg Grant's public works equipment to battery electric at that time The California Resources Board was projecting that by this year, by 2020, the total emissions from small engines. These are under 25 horsepower mostly used for lawn and garden equipment would exceed the emissions of all passenger cars in the state of California. Well, the manufacturers of the small engines pushed back and said we don't believe your data.
Could you do some more emission testing? And could you do some in-use surveys? So they contracted with Cal State Fullerton to get in-use surveys of commercial and residential users. And they did some more emission limits. And at a meeting on the 9th of this month, they came back and said oh by the way, we crossed that line in 2016. What they have done in part because of the success that we had in Ojai, is that they're proposing at California Resources Board an extremely aggressive rulemaking. So they're going to establish new standards this year The emission standards tighten in 2023. By 2025, if you want to have a piece of equipment it has to have zero emissions and there will still be some lawn and garden and small equipment that is manufactured because they have emission credits allowed which is where the credit use is showing up at the top but by 2028 The proposal, if it goes forward is that there will all of that equipment everything under 25 horsepower will be zero emission equipment.
That means just battery electric and so there was some discussion at that CARB pre-regulatory essentially hearing or discussion on the 9th and someone who was a manufacturer said well is there anywhere in California where this has been done? And the staff of the California Resources Board said they believe that Ojai and South Pasadena had both done this and were happy with it. And I was able to type in a note saying, not only were we happy with it but we've passed and have had in effect since April 27th a ban across the board in the city. So these are the kinds of things that We as a small city can do. It's going to have to be done in many, many different places if we're not going to crawl out of this pandemic with a tiny virus and be facing yet another major global crisis without being proactive about how we address it.
So What we plan to do now with the list of recommendations that we've made is we will reconvene as a committee and come back to you with some things that we think within the current budget and environment can be implemented immediately. And we are also prepared to turn those recommendations into policy statements that can become either a part of a climate element in the general plan for the city, or can be folded into other elements and that will be interactive with the council.
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Thank you.
I'll
start if you want, Mr. Mayor. I never go first so this is weird. First of all Steve thank you so much. I'm so impressed by this report, everything we've gotten back from the climate committee has been so professional and well done. It is just it's it's it deserves a compliment. I want to say, I appreciate what I would call the aggressiveness of the report knowing that all we can do is say no to things. We need to have everything on the table to say yes and I appreciate that that is part of this and I think you know I think that's the right way the committee should have done it so I agree with that obviously not everything in this report can be adopted in a short term or you know whatever that is But it's all on the table and this is what we were looking for.
This was my intent when I approved the Climate Committee, and when we called it an emergency last July. This is what I was looking for and I really want to just say thank you. First, my quick question is, and I think I already know the answer but it sounds like we have the right makeup of the committee, of the right role players who have the right expertise to do this. Is that correct?
Oh, I think absolutely. And we're still open to input from any others who can provide that input. But you know, I think that's why we'd like to have this report out now so that if there are other members of the community that have something to contribute in writing or in response to what we've done, that it's out there and available for that kind of input.
Perfect. And it sounds like to I think, you know and I know this is something that Councilmember Francina has brought up a lot about the paradigm shift. But I think one way it's articulated in this report is climate may not be something we can just respond to adaptively. Adaptation will not be sufficient, that only through mitigation on the front end can we really deal with this problem in a whole. Now it doesn't make it quite as boiled down as that but Dr. Comey, is that the opinion of the committee?
Yeah absolutely.
And I think that's a good way to look at it, that we can't wait till we can hunker down. We gotta get something done and we gotta start thinking about it and we gotta start leading in it. And this is what that is. You said a number of times Ojai punches above its weight. I not only love that statement, other than somebody who probably can't punch above his own weight. I do appreciate that and I want everybody to just know my involvement on the APCD and I've said it a million times that we have got to take credit and own it for where we have been in front of these issues. And I love the anecdote about at CARB If anybody ever hears the California, I'm going to say it wrong, Air Resources Board. Also you hear CARB all the time that's the same board.
I love that it came up and that Ojai was delineated because I say all the time you get in a group of everybody in the state or a bunch of different cities that four letter one that has three vowels and one J they can't pronounce right we stand out all the time and it's not always just because the way we're spelled so I love that that's being put forward as well The other thing I just want to comment on is you talked a little bit, just to touch on and some of this report talks about which is interesting to me.
How we're gonna deal with post COVID and how this situation, this emergency and how we might evolve from it and not go back. to the same normal. Doesn't mean we're going to suddenly uproot and change everything but it does give us opportunity, it gives us some data, it gives us a few things that we wouldn't have gotten any other way especially inside of the reducing greenhouse gas through traffic through vehicles. Now I didn't see it touched on here and maybe it's tucked into you know one of the many ideas in here But I want to make sure, and it may not be something the Climate Committee really needs to say. But Ojai should capture its tourism opportunity and match it with the opportunity to do work away from having to drive even staycations or other vacations where you are not traveling.
I think that's all tied into this. We have a unique opportunity in Ojai to be able to kind of help our own community during the week hotel environment here as a tourist town But also promote not traveling to work every day. If you drive from LA to Ojai one day and you don't try to work for five days, we're taking that car off the road for those other five days. So that can be a secret way and especially if it's an electric vehicle to try and do that. That's one other thing The climate committee is obviously taking a deeper dive in this, but I do want to make sure we dovetail some of our uniqueness of Ojai and that tourist environment to how we can maybe promote that. And then one other thing...
And you described it as the New Deal coming out of World War II, and now we're looking at a Green New Deal maybe come out of COVID. Those types of crises do end in an opportunity to reinvent or relook at some of those things. So I really appreciate that angle that the committee took in this report. The one other thing besides, and all I'm trying to do is say thank you a lot and offer two other ideas.
the idea of working away from home I think is important. The other one is, I am working on a project now and I don't know if the climate committee or some of the councilmembers are aware because you may have been on the Council when this got passed on a quiet night a while back but there's And through the state, what you can do is on new buildings or on building retrofits or rebuilds. Or even in residential as well as commercial, you can apply for funding where they actually sell bonds if it's over enough money. They lend you the money and then they assess it on the property through property taxes for specific clean energy green building materials and ideas.
I have learned a lot more about this over the last month. And it's a wonderful program that the city happened to sign up for before as a council member, I just wanna make sure that the committee is aware that that's in our toolbox as well because not every community, not every city has gone through the process of passing an ordinance and getting that up and working. We're ready where the table set for that if anybody comes in, And the idea towards mitigation is any new projects that come in the city should at least be made well aware of this program and how it could affect them.
I obviously, you know as I said this is not an edict of everything we're going to be able to do. This is the wish list of what we can do. This is what we need and I hope we can soon start figuring out what the low-hanging fruit on this very comprehensive list is in getting it implemented. And I am excited about being able to be on APCD while this is going on and continuing some of these things. And obviously we're gonna keep working on getting the inventory done at some of these requests from the community.
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Thank you, and thank you Steve for both the report and all the work. That is an exceptional group of people that were put together to work on this I'd like to add one thing, and I hope I don't botch this up too badly. But Michelle, if she was with us, she's the one that's going to be doing the work on the Clean Power Alliance. Here are some numbers for 2019, things that we achieved by going 100% default.
About 95% of electricity came from the 100% green power contract that we now have that provides energy to our city The 95%, she said here that the residents and the businesses purchased 23 million kilowatt hours of electricity from the Alliance. And out of that, 95% was 100% renewable energy as well as clean energy with zero greenhouse gas emissions by choosing CPA a hundred percent clean power, Ojai reduced its greenhouse gas emissions by more than 5,000 metric tons in less than one year And then she, this is the part I'm not quite sure whether it's cumulative or three different examples. But it says this is the equivalent to about 1100 passenger cars off the road eliminating electricity consumed by 857 homes and the planting of 83,739 trees.
I'm not sure how they got the measurement on those trees that carefully but anyway, it's a whole lot that was done you know we're sort The mouse that roared in the city of Ojai. And a lot of this originates back with Dr. Colomay and Phil White, who have been working on this for years. So thanks everybody. Anything else from the council for Steve before we move on?
I see a hand from Susan.
Yeah, I just want to repeat for the public that the report that we're discussing is going to be online, correct Jim?
Yes, it will be posted on the Climate Committee's webpage tomorrow.
Okay and how about we can also post a slide
show? If Dr. Kolame is okay with that it's his intellectual property.
It's absolutely fine there's one the pie chart slide should come out actually.
It's
premature.
I want to see all the slides. And then if the rest of the council agrees, could you do after this is all posted, could you do at least a short press release calling and reporting this to the public? And then my last question, Steve, are your meeting... You're still having Zoom meetings through the summer? Is that correct or...?
We are in fact. Phil, do you remember when our next meeting is? It's I think next week
Yeah, I think we have a meeting next week Wednesday 10 o'clock.
I
would like to add a comment if I might. Steve you did a great job on presenting and summarizing what we've been up to So I don't have much to add to that. I do want to say that it's been a real pleasure to work on this committee. It's in my heart to do something about the climate change and I know that's the case for all five of us, you really do have an exceptional committee And I hope you will be open to having a study session and dive into the weeds of this stuff.
And also, be prepared for us to come back to you from time-to-time with maybe some specific recommendations as we've already done for things that the council can approve Help head us in the direction of solving this climate crisis. Thank you for your leadership in this. I have to say that Ojai is really out there leading the pack, keep up the good work.
I didn't finish, but I agree with what Phil said. I want to support that we move forward with what you recommend. But I wanted to make sure that the Zoom meetings, that the meetings continue to be posted on the city website because I think we're a little bit behind last time I checked as far as posting the meetings games and because the public can still If I called you up, you could give me the code if I wanted to sit in on a meeting. Is that correct?
Can you hear me OK? Or am I-
Yeah, I hear you. I think that's the question for the committee, if I'm understanding is, are there Zoom information available to the public? And I'm not sure if that is available.
I think we're willing to have the public sit in and listen to what our deliberations are.
After you post this, I want to make sure the school board is aware of the report and the Chamber of Commerce. I think there's several entities in town that would want to read this report. I'd like all the commissioners to read the report.
Thank you. Our committee and our council in trying to communicate with the school district about what's available. And then I'm happy, or I think any of us would be to coordinate with APCD to try and help the school district take care of what they can on this same issue. So I think that's gonna be... I'm interested to see that happen whenever we can.
Yeah, great, thank you. Great report, thank you.
Thanks Steve, thanks Bill. Appreciate it. Thank you guys. Are we now ready for the animal services contract discussion?
Yes thank you and just briefly this was on consent last meeting and I believe it was on consent and we discussed The brief summary is that the Ventura County Animal Services is going through a process. They're looking closely at their costs, they're analyzing those and putting together a new five-year agreement for the eight cities within the county that they serve including Ojai.
Their goal is to simplify the budget process and make it clear what cities are responsible for, for what portions of the costs. And so they've done that here. At the last council meeting we reviewed and we noted that it was a increase in our costs And council then gave direction to staff to meet with the Ventura County Animal Services and review and discuss. So we did that, we spoke with the county animal services and voiced some of our concerns obviously some of the concerns were that every agency currently is looking at reducing costs and so we noted that and noted concerns about assuming cost increases for five years And several other items. In short, the animal services had noted that eight of the 10 cities in the county have already, or I'm sorry seven of the eight cities in the county that they serve had already agreed to the contract and due to the timing they had requested that we execute this agreement.
They noted that there's a 90 day opt out so that if we have concerns and wish to opt out of the contract. We have that as an option still, but unfortunately from our perspective is their feeling at this point is that every other agency signed the same contract so they had concerns about reopening discussions for just one city at this time. So the contract is back before you, and we had recommended that we sign due to the timing.
And then explore alternative options in return to council at a future meeting.
I move to approve. I'm fine with it. Is
there a second? Do I hear a second?
Oh, I'll second it for discussion.
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I
have a question. This may be for Matt or staff in 6.2 in the contract. It limits it to upon mutual agreement of the parties, it can be renewed up to five consecutive one-year parties. I do this for a living, but I'm asking Matt. Matt that doesn't sound like it's an option at our means we can't, it doesn't mean we can just renew it each year for five years. It seems like it has to be mutually agreed in other words if they want to increase the, they say no we won't do it next year and they want to increase the price again another 25%. We don't have any locked in legal authority to be able to keep this going correct?
Now it also raises to me the question of 6.1 provides a term through 2025, an initial five-year period is the renewal under 6.2 five more periods? Five more one year periods so 10 year period or do they read those two as stacking up together to be one year renewals within the existing five-year period
I thought it was a little ambiguous. When I read this at our last meeting, I thought it was essentially our option each year moving forward to keep the same contract and under the increase even though it is extensive if it could not be increased for five years it made more sense. Reading it again It seems more like no. If next year they didn't want the contract, they can unilaterally say no. It requires mutual agreement and they could just say no. Next year it's another 25 percent we're stuck in this same position
right? We have a 90-day option on each of these on each of these contractual moments whether it's five years or whether it's one year. We have a 90 day out
that's correct section 3.1 also speaks to an annual level of service request form which putting implies that section 6.2 is intended to be five one-year periods during the original five year period. But as Council Member Haney noted, we do have a 90 day termination clause if in any given period we don't agree with the current terms their performance or their proposed terms for next year and the same right applies to the county as well.
We have to agree to it and then 90 days later we can unagree to it but we still have to mutually agree to it We have 90 days to change our mind. I think I'll say,
is there any alternative to this? Apparently not. Not with the timeline we've got so... Not readily available.
Right. I believe that's part of the motion that was just made and seconded that the city manager is going to explore alternative animal control options which I think is extremely important because two comments I want to make you know one is this tyranny It's a standard, right? I've made this comment. I said, I'd come back to it. This idea that a county is going to say every one of our clients and I want to emphasize that word client. You don't go to all your clients and say we're going to treat you all the same. We're not the same.
And we may have different relationships with different partners in terms of supplying these essential services. So I'm really kind of wanting I urge that we really look at the alternative options. And then we really try to work on this side, moving the county away from this idea that every arrangement with every client has to be the same. I just don't like that and I think that we can come up with some creative ways of supplying some of these services and I hope that we aggressively A complete separation, but at least really push the idea that we might have partners in the community that can do things in different ways and other cities may maybe be choosing to do it.
Yeah. Yes,
Susan?
One of the
things that makes Ojai different is that we actually have a spay and neuter ordinance. And not every city has adopted one for various excuses. I brought this up at the county meetings because other cities have more of a problem with unwanted puppies and kittens. And Ojai, I think it's doing a much better job in that regard.
Are we ready for a roll call? Do we need to roll call on
this? Yeah, we do because of the amount of money involved.
Okay, call the roll please.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0
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Okay motion passed and you got your direction James let's go to number six individual campaign contribution limits Thanks and I am
gonna let the city attorney address this.
Thank you Mr Vega, very briefly what's before you is an option to adopt a resolution that would impose local campaign contribution limits. You have four options and this is all triggered by Assembly Bill AB 571 which imposes a state default campaign contribution limit of $3,000 per contributor per candidate for local elections starting January 1st, 2021. So we're not talking about the election coming up in a couple months in November it starts January 1st 2021.
Staff's recommendation is that you affirmatively adopt by resolution that default limit $3 000 per contributor per candidate Starting January 1st, 2021. And that $3,000 limit gets increased every year by the FPPC for inflation. I'm sorry, not every year, every other year. And your other options are to do nothing and let the state rule apply by default or to adopt a higher lower or no limit.
That's my brief presentation. I am available for any questions.
Mayor? I have a question, Mr. Summers. I notice this just limits the contribution to person. It doesn't specifically...I looked at some of the other ordinances around on this in the state of California and they are very specific about political action committees and not just persons. In other words, we have the option of limiting by person and by political action committee do we not? Yes you do have that option if you wish Okay, and just to comment before moving forward.
I might be interested in a limit but much lower than this.
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And what is the default with the state Matt?
$3,000. Okay. If i can just add our recommendation is based on adopting the state default we recognize this as an inherently political decision and thus it is your choice if you want to make a different decision but
I understand. So Matt, this would be an individual contribution in any given election cycle to one candidate? Correct.
Yeah and as noted by Council Member Weirich it could be extended to be not just natural persons but also political action committees also set for a limit per candidate per election
Now are there other categories we're allowed to do like corporations, businesses, PACs? I mean are they all any categorical non-legal discriminatory entity or
classes okay? Yeah, you could expand it. And if I could suggest, if there was interest on the council in expanding beyond the state default, it might make sense to appoint either direct staff to work on some options or appoint a subcommittee of two council members to take a look at those options and bring it back unless you wanted to move forward tonight? Well,
I can tell you this. I don't have any campaigns I've ran in town. I don't know. In five campaigns, I've never seen a donation over $3,000 or anywhere near it.
But there have been issues. I
wasn't saying we shouldn't do anything.
No, I'm just saying there's been issues in other parts of these counties where cities have been kind of chugging along like we have and all of a sudden A group of financial, you know well-heeled people decide they want to influence City Council and they jump. You know all of a sudden there's tens of thousands or more dollars when there never used to be anything and I we saw this also at the county in terms of the oil and gas pack. We had much more money trying to buy media and influence. I'm really interested in something more comprehensive with much lower limits personally
Okay, is anybody ready to propose that tonight or shall we postpone this? Is there a time limit when we have to adopt it? The only time
limit is if you don't adopt something by January 1st, then the state default takes effect automatically.
Yeah and it wouldn't be for the election this year but I have a couple questions if you don't mind there. I just want to find out a little bit more and if we're going to postpone it that's okay. Have other communities Matt, have they gone with...I mean what have you seen? What does the playing field look like for other communities that have passed any alteration from the state level?
It's a bit all over the map. It tends to map on small cities have either done nothing or the state limits, larger cities with more established political regulatory environments have adopted comprehensive scheme. I haven't done a comprehensive survey of Southern California cities but It tends to be the ones that have separate rules. There are your Santa Monica, Los Angeles, Pasadena.
I'd be happy to take a look at the other cities in Ventura County. To my current knowledge none of them have any limits although I'm not sure about Ventura. I
looked at the FPP site today and I believe the city of Ventura and the city of Simi Valley have passed separate limits and they're much lower than this. Thanks thank you for that additional information
Well, in the interest of an opportunity to just get it over with so we don't bring it back to a later agenda. I'll make a motion to set it at $1500.
Or even 1000 either one but yeah what do you
think? What are the implications of that? We
can give you more than $1500 and one.
Yeah but when Citizens United needs other things I used to serve on the political practices commission for And when Citizens United came in, it seemed like everything was after the fact. The horse was out of the barn, the penalties were next to nothing. Who's going to police this? Is it-
So that's one of the other questions as staff recommends that we would leave it to the FPPC to police. The FPPC has said that if you adopt something other than the state limit they're not likely to enforce it I'll add that they're probably not likely to enforce it, really at any level unless you hit the newspaper. So that would be one of the questions if you wanted to adopt a limit lower than the state's limit then what do you want to look? What kind of resources would you want to put to enforcement?
It's typical to set fine, the question will be what amount you'd wanna set. So if you wanted to set something different in the state limit we can take a look at that by default it would be punishable as a misdemeanor and we could adopt additional enforcement options.
Matt, would this be enforceable outside of the Citizens United non-directed by a candidate PAC decision? I mean this is only for money directly to the candidate that's directed by the candidate. Is Citizens United still given unlimited kind of a this cap would not be for non-candidate
directed expenditures, correct? Correct. Citizens United in short protects the right of an individual to spend as much money as they want to influence an election provided they don't give it directly to a candidate. So you'll recall even in the federal election you could only give $32,500 to a federal candidate for office in any given election but you can give unlimited amounts to a political action committee independent from the candidate And that's where Citizens United comes in. So this isn't overridden directly by Citizens United, but of course the rule remains that you can spend as much money as you want to influence election under current Supreme Court jurisprudence.
Johnny just to your question I think there's different categories it doesn't change anything with Citizens United in the PAC super PAC system of non-directed from a candidate Expenditure,
but it would have that my concern Ryan is this. That if it does not, if there's not a police effective policing measure or agency of some sort the what Bill was concerned with big money from out of town or new arrivals that want to pump a lot of money in it they can still do that and it just limits the locals from fighting back so it seems to me At least I'm not prepared to vote on it tonight without knowing a bit more, but if the council would like to move you. If you've made a motion is there a second to Ryan's motion?
I'll tell you what, based on what I said, I will send my motion and we can get more information. I was just thinking slash year and a half and making it easy so we didn't take the can down the road. But I do agree. You bring up a really good point Mr. Mayor that I didn't think about how it could unduly imbalance an outside influence to what the local influence could do But I also think that the local influence is protected by the lower amount, right? At least they can't give it directly to a candidate. And in our local elections...
I mean, I've never seen a donation over $500 in any local election I've ever been involved in personally. Okay, well I
have.
You know, I'm prepared and decided to lower it but I am happy to wait if that's more appropriate.
Well, no, I mean if the council is ready to go that's all right. Don't let me be the one because i'm not going to be in the game much longer as you probably all suspect. One
option would be to adopt a lower limit tonight and staff will bring back some options on enforcement of that lower limit.
Mayor, can you see me? I'm
sure
you're all aware of this that anyone at any time can look at our campaign donations. Correct? Because they have to report it every six weeks or whatever and you'll recall that a certain person got or we suspect who it was during the death of my father I failed to report that airplane banner. And it cost me several weekends of meticulous You know, record keeping to the fair political practice to show that no crime had been committed. So you know there is already policing from the community is what I'm trying to say. The community likes to see who's donating what and isn't that a form of policing?
Not a very effective one, but yes it is
an effort.
A forum.
They can see if somebody's trying to give us more than whatever amount you know that nobody
the council is prepared to go ahead it's okay with me I'm just denouncing that I would I will abstain without uh you know it I just don't want to disadvantage us from outside I feel obligated to put my money or somebody else's if you will, where my mouth is on this. That's
why I said
it
and
was
trying to find a simpler
solution But I do agree, there may be some more complicated issues we need to look at. The other thing as I'm thinking through it a little bit more now too is this doesn't go into effect after January 1st. After January 1st, we are redrawing our districts in Ojai again. post that. I haven't contemplated in all fairness, I've never ran an election or been involved in an election in Ojai that was with the districts and that could change this you know the dynamic could change a little bit so I would I'm going to rescind my motion and be prepared to say I'd agree with continuing it till later day.
Okay anything further on this topic tonight?
I have a question of math.
Randy's been trying to be recognized.
Okay, I don't see Randy. I can't see your hand because your picture is not up. Randy you get the shot.
You know what all I was going to do is agree with it seems like the consensus that we have until January 1st that I think that we need more information of the pros and cons of what we're trying to achieve. Lowering a rate tonight doesn't solve anything. It may create a problem So let's let staff take the time to come back and give us more information so that we can make a better decision or a better choice.
Thank you. Okay, Susan, you said you wanted to say one more thing?
I have a question. I thought it was illegal for example for someone to take out a full-page ad for a candidate with their own money and not make a direct donation. I thought that was illegal
So there's a difference between the right to spend the money and the obligation to report spending the money. You always have the right to spend the money. And the coordination of the monies? Correct, thank you so it's uh...you have the right to spend the money to use your example taking out a full-page ad anyone can do that for any issue at any time. The question is if that ad is a full page ad that says vote for you know, the bunny rabbit vote for a candidate. Then you have to report that as a donation to that candidate or more accurately, that candidate has to report that ad is a donation to them in kind generally.
Um, and if it's coordinated with the candidate, if you call the candidate up and say, Hey, I want to put an ad up. What do you want it to say? Then you also have to report it as an in-kind donation to the committee. So you have the right to spend the money and take out an ad. The question is whether it needs to be reported. And part of the reporting question determines It may not be reportable to the candidate if it was not coordinated with them but you might have to report it on your own FVPC contribution forms depending on the election and amount of money at stake. Usually the threshold there is 2000. And the caveat I will add, if you are looking for specific advice
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Okay. And they're super helpful when you call them Matt, just so
you know.
Oh I know yeah.
Particularly during the pandemic. So
we'll work on some more information on the pros and cons and on some enforcement tools if we were to adopt a lower local limit And the pro and the con of doing so. We'll bring that back for your consideration.
And Matt, I just had maybe what other communities have done so far? Similar communities and a little idea of where their locations are going. Okay. Thank you.
Okay we're done with that. So we go to council member reports. Well, I'll go ahead and I'll lead off as mayor for what I just tipped my hand. I'll let you guys know before Matt We aren't gonna have another council meeting until, what is it Ryan? Three weeks from now. I checked the calendar. Okay and my understanding is that the filing or taking out of papers for the next municipal elections on the 6th of July. Is that right James or Gail?
That's that's my understanding. Yes, I just wanted to let you it's been a it's been a great run. I enjoyed working with you folks but I will not be standing for re-election so.
Are you meant for this? It
doesn't mean he won't do Johnny.
Um and correction. I told
him I wasn't going to make a career of this and so I'm trying to keep that campaign promise Okay, Ryan you can go Council reports anything.
Well I first I want to say I am passionate about some of the sheriff's contract issues, Mr Mayor i i appreciate you said earlier. That we have a date and I don't know when that's going to happen. I would love to be a part of it, but I would never in a million years not defer to our mayor who has much more experience and breadth of knowledge dealing with the county.
But I would be happy to be your mentor if you'd like to volunteer to participate in
this. I'd be happy to. I think I am very passionate about How we can look at how much we're spending and how we could reorganize, how we allocate that. And maybe there's a time window now that's appropriate for not only asking for some cost reductions but a reorganization of how those services are handled and we'll deal with that later. As far as, I had a VCOG meeting last week.
I sent over to, I think it got out to everybody was HDL that the tax regulate, I don't know what you wanna call them, the outsource tax regulator for almost all the cities in the county. In fact, all the cities in the county except the city of Ventura. Was interesting what they had to say about some of the different tax areas where they weren't hurt and what was hurt significantly. councilmembers. What was interesting is that it was reiterated in this conversation multiple times about how our 2008 recovery after the great recession was limited in our county and we were slower to recover because of the building community. Because is not seeing the slowdown that it did in 08, so that's positive for the county. But what was definitely expressed multiple times in the inverse unfortunately was that we won't be as bad this time because Ventura County is not as reliant on tourism except for one city.
That's us and the unabashed way HDL communicated If your budget is based on tourism, it's a long time before you're gonna see any type of complete recovery. It's gonna be really slow. The number at BCOG was 70% of people are still unwilling or apprehensive about going into a store, a retail store. Those numbers go up into the 80s and 90s when you talk about hospitality. So I just wanted to share that what HDL is communicating to all the cities that they work with be prepared that tourism isn't coming back quickly. That's not going to happen quickly and we're not sure what the forecast exactly is other than it's not good. I mentioned the LA Times thing, I mentioned Montgomery Street. One other thing I'll add Sousa you brought this up earlier.
I just wanted to say back in about 2010-12 somewhere in there about The shade over the bus stop or the bench. When I was managing my father's campaign back then, there was an issue that came up in the campaign about the bus stop at the Y and believe it or not back then I was like 100 degrees every day that was a June election. He brought it up and it was a talking point that we put together All of a sudden, after a couple campaign events there was a pop-up over the bench at Hawaii. And then later it was actually built up to where it is now which looks really nice. I am not in love with pop ups anywhere but if it's about people congregating at a bus stop where they need that, it's only... It's a health and safety issue if we don't put shade over it during the summer.
And I hope that if it is about a cost issue or otherwise At least that's an option. If I recall correctly, everybody was very thankful it happened. I don't remember a lot of complaints even though it was kind of a blue pop-up. At least that's another option versus waiting for something to be built out. Other than that, we had an APCD meeting today It wasn't super eventful. We passed the budget for the upcoming year.
The building that APCD has been working on for years is going to get redone hopefully in the next few months, which is a big expenditure that APCD has put on and will be taken care of. The one thing I'll add is we passed another grant for a different city, a multi-unit building that they're building adding electric vehicle stations. Just want to remind everybody who's out there, all our council and the public If you have anything you're building and you want to talk about electric charging stations, reach out to the city. Reach out to APCD. There's grant money available. We can't promise what we can do but this is part of how we're going to change how it works and California has really aggressively adopted electric vehicles so we want to make sure that infrastructure is there.
Feel free to reach out if it's something you want to put into a project.
Thanks Ryan. Okay Bill
you're up. Um, well first of all Ryan I think the way this is the stars may be aligning is that I'm looking forward to I'll work on the sheriff's budget with you because, you know, I was the first to bring this up years ago in terms of researching the issue and have been doing a lot of thinking and working on this. And so I'm looking forward to that since it appears that Johnny wants to stay away from personal interactions as much as possible. So I understand that. I also want to just state for the record that now that we've heard from the mayor about That he does not want to continue as mayor that I'm gonna be, I would say very probably putting together a formal intention to run as his successor.
Okay, seriously you're up unless it sounded like a pregnant pause but then it was the end of the report.
Well, a question is there any reason why both Bill and Ryan couldn't I think that is the intent. we can
do
that. Bill and I
met with the city
manager
and
went over this in detail
he has done
a lot of research And I, you know, a good conversation with our friends at the county might help that out. So anyway, God bless you Bill and Ryan and anybody else who wants
to... We're going to... The depth of your knowledge and help is really important Johnny, it really is.
Okay so do you have anything from Animal Control or wherever you are?
I just want to announce that there's going to be another question and answer session regarding the Maricopa demonstration project. And these are really a great opportunity to ask anything under the sun that may concern you. That's on July 1st, it's just around the corner and that's at five o'clock. It's a question and answer on the demonstration project. There's a demonstration project on Maricopa Highway will begin while we're not in, while we're on our break you know it's happening it's around the corner.
And
that's about a zoom maybe?
Yeah, it's a Zoom meeting. They're always interesting. I'll go to all of them. And then I did go to a Zoom meeting. It was a presentation by UCLA Anderson School MBA students on their in-depth study of the economics of Ojai conventional versus organic regenerative agriculture. And Steve Colomay attended. Patty Pagelin attended. A few other people whose names elude me at the moment, but that was on one of the slides. Regenerative agriculture for Ojai and the students pointed out that without regenerative agriculture, without us Facing the consequences of continually using pesticides, depleting the soil. The real possibility is that we won't be able to sustain our orange orchards and agriculture so we discussed ways to possibly what's the word you know there's like a it's difficult the economics of transitioning to organics was discussed, and they recorded it.
So I'll find out when you can see the slideshow. It's just one of the key issues facing the future of Ojai.
Thank you. Randy, are you out there?
Yeah, you know it's interesting I think James touched on the fact that movie theaters might be opening up in the first of July and we haven't discussed our movie theater in I don't know how many years. I'm sorry months. It'd be interesting for James to maybe get a touch bases with them and let's get an idea or maybe an understanding as to what they're doing and how they're doing it and when we might think our theater might be open Aside from that, we're at the end of the month. So most of our meetings VCTC and VCOG or not VCOG but GoCoast are at the first of the month. I will say this much going back to what Ryan was talking too.
There was a joint venture with GoCoast and Grants to get those two bus enclosures, the one at Signal and the one at the Y. And I'll take it to GoCoast It's our next meeting at the first, they're the first Thursday of the month. So that'll be looking at my calendar. I'm hoping it's not yet so it'll be July 2nd and I could ask them regarding how we might be able to get additional covers for some of our bus stops here in town.
So this is something that we can ask Ben Hurk.
In all fairness Randy I assumed it was a city thing. It may not have been, maybe it was a VTC.
That's what
your dad was
really proud of. Okay, that's a great idea. James, your turn. I don't have anything to add, thank you. Future agenda items? The budget is behind us so I guess in July or before we go on break Let me know what you
want. We're going to have the community lump sum divided division has to be on the next meeting agenda.
Okay,
well we don't
have to come up with it tonight. Call
James or call me if you got something you think
needs to be talked about.
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Mayor one other thing is my wife keeps asking me who's organizing the July 4th parade, downtown parade of community members and where we're meeting. And while we were starting and how are we gonna parade the community on July 4th first thing? So I told her I don't know, I'd asked the mayor if he was coordinating that event. You wanna walk with me? We can talk some of us may pedal.
Yeah you can carry the flag and be sure to wear a mask okay. Okay guys, it's been great. It's eight after 10. See you later.