City Council — 2020-09-22

I'll call the regular meeting of the, no pardon me. Before that we need to report out or do we do that in the regular meeting?

Matt? We can do that in the regular meeting.

Okay so I'll call the meeting order of the regular meeting of the Ohio City Council will the clerk please call the roll.

saw that. Okay, I think James Hahn is going to put an image of the flag up for us and so right hand over your heart ready begin

consent calendar. Okay, are there any other items from the consent calendar that you want to pull anybody? Okay if not then do I have a motion to approve the consent calendar? Moved to approve. Second. Okay moved and seconded Is there any objection? Not hearing any, they so ordered. Bill? Aye. Is that your item on the consent?

Mayor, there's a presentation on the agenda. Oh

yeah, that's right we do. Yeah I jumped over that, I did yes okay well hang on for your item aye later and we'll go to the presentation James

Yes. And today's presentation is going to be by Chris Danch, representing the Fire Safe Council. I see he's in the chat room. So Mr. Hahn if you can let Mr. Danch in we will-

Okay and this was for Chris to give us his view on the fire, extreme fire map?

Yeah so then I think that and I think he's also planning to do an overview on some of

Okay, this isn't a grant application is it?

Not that I'm aware of. So I see Chris Danch

is in the room but it looks like he's muted. There

he is!

Looks like a disc jockey. Don't I?

It's like flying a plane or something, you know, I'm talking to the tower and... Yeah right. That's because we have an open architecture in our house and you can hear everything so in order to keep this thing just in my office in the house, I got this gear on. There you go. Well, I do have a... The reason for this is to update the council on where we are with the Fire Safe Council since we last presented in December, I believe of last year and give an update on where we are and to look at start again the discussion about funding in various ways. And I'll get to that but I also have a PowerPoint that I can just walk us through so it'd be a little more organized Okay. Appreciate you allowing me the opportunity to update. Sure.

Proceed. How do you work the PowerPoint? I gave that, is that something?

Yeah let me see. I can pull... I think I have the... It's up. Oh actually

never mind. And do you advance it or do I advance it?

Yeah, I think Mr. Han is going to advance it so you'll have to let him know when to move on.

Okay well the next slide then. Let's get started number two It's hard when you don't have any control.

Yeah i understand that. I know you do! I want to share that opportunity with someone else.

Advance to

number two is this the

right slide?

That's number one. That's number one.

Even worse when there's no control, oh there we

go. Yeah actually that's number four. Number two and this is really just for anybody watching since I think you guys already know all of this but we have been around since uh for 20 years now doing our work in a variety of ways And that is continuing, though I will say that the traditional source of funding that has been here for the Fire Safe Council is becoming more difficult to go as believe it or not things become underfunded and the number of applicants is going up.

A good example of that is that one of the main sources of funding for the Fire Safe Council has been what's called the State Fire Assistance Grants, which is through the USDA and then through the grants manager at the California Fire Safe Council. The last grant we worked off of last year, that was applied for in 2016. At that time The funding was about three and a half million for that pool, and it was actually undersubscribed. There is money left over which we got another 100,000 of but there weren't even enough applicants to tap the whole pool. The last round we participate in last year, the pool had gone down to 1.5 million and the number of applicants had quadrupled resulting in no more than 9% of applicants being funded.

Which of course means 91% of the applicants goes hungry. So that is not improving at all out there, in fact it's getting worse. We had planned to apply for a Cal Fire grant which I'll explain briefly coming up but that one state took the money so they're not ready to do that until next year and so this regular ongoing program which has been here for is not even up for this, up now. Next slide please.

Okay we've always talked about the increase in or the reality of increasing threat of wildfire but who would have expected this last year and what has happened? We thought it couldn't get any worse than the Thomas fire and what we saw in 2017 and 2018 but here we are one shocking statistics is that the number of wildfires have increased in frequency by 400% since 1970 So this is something new. We now have a year-round fire season and it's not going away, which means that our level of community preparedness and capacity and resilience must adapt to this. Next slide please.

As we have discussed before wildfire isn't inevitable. We have a fire dependent ecosystem around us only a very small percentage less than 5% of those fires are deemed uncontrollable But it's those uncontrollable fires that caused 95% of the damage. And in those uncontrollable fires, as you can tell by their name, that the public safety agencies are almost instantly overwhelmed and a much greater level of community response is required to deal with prepare for respond during and recover from such catastrophic fires. And that includes other kinds of disasters as well, including one we can see at any time of course which is an earthquake.

And our risk management strategy which we embarked on last year is based upon this set of facts right here. Next slide please. As you know, we worked on a roadmap which was completed but yet to be posted as we're kind of fine tuning it. But we had goals for this wildfire risk mitigation strategy and just look at that very quickly obviously empower the community protect our values that was in part determined by our public survey leverage existing capacities build a whole community capacities. This is from the bottom up develop a culture of resiliency which quite frankly is something you can do. It's like a culture of safety And then become what is known as a fire adapted community because we need to learn to coexist with fire.

Something about the leverage we're already doing, we've been doing it all along but that our capacity to leverage from the community has gone up. In the last SFA grant we had which we'd completed and funded in part the roadmap 100% matches required for that grant. We turned in a 350% match so we are increasing our capacity to leverage existing capacities. Next slide please.

So out of the working group and discussions with lots of people, lots of stakeholders working with public survey. We have come up with these issues and concerns that the community has expressed as we know in emergency communications, the public need to be improved particularly in those first critical three hours Again, we're talking about a catastrophic fire evacuation improvements which includes more options in terms of shelter in place temporary refuge areas timing things like that. A loss of power to critical facilities that's All of these are a whole presentation in themselves.

Vulnerable populations, we have a high number of elderly and low income and AFN people, access and functional needs people, and Spanish speaking people that are particularly vulnerable that we have to improve our emergency planning has been much more comprehensive and expanded. And of course increase our community capacity which is the whole goal here. Next slide please.

Coming out of the roadmap has been a number of projects, some of which you've already heard about with the community sport and grazing program. We got a setback on that early on because of the shutdown. Go figure! But we are now picking that back up again and making strides in that and we plan to launch that program for the next fire season next year This goes to the mapping thing we talked about last meeting, and that was that the CAL FIRE severity zone maps provide very little use for local risk management planning. And much more fine scale risk mapping is required. So we had intended to apply to CAL FIRE in collaboration with Ventura County Fire Protection District to do this and possibly other fire safe councils in the county But that's the grant that has now been postponed till next year because the money was taken by the state.

We looked at improving public emergency communications, we have a pending National Science Foundation grant some of you have seen that the city has joined as a collaborator in that James, you've seen the application for that. It's a two-stage grant, the first one being a planning grant and we should know about that in November. We're partnered with UCSB and USGS on that.

We've talked a great deal about structural hardening but that needs to be much more widespread and comprehensive. A pending grant we have, we know about it any day now will pay for a large amount of volunteer training for structural ignition assessments and then we will do some initial Targeted assessments, assuming we get that grant or other funding. And then we're working with our private industry partner on data collection and management so that can be used to inform us on how to prioritize structural hardening in our area and provide a database for more sophisticated grant writing.

And then we've talked in the past about the community micro grid that is sort of on hold just because every, we had sought stimulus money from the state on this and many of these and that was making good progress through I bank and treasurer's office but that was frozen with a shutdown. That was the Climate Catalyst Fund, which was taken by the state. So that's off the table until next year in terms of that source of funding. And then we had a variety of assessments that we wanted to do and we're still looking for that.

And we're also working with a variety of organizations and the Department of Insurance And in particularly United Policy Holders down in San Diego, looking at how to tie hardening and standards of fire clearance and prep with the insurance companies to have them reward and incentivize those kinds of things. In fact there is a virtual investigatory meeting in October that we will be attending with the California Department of Insurance.

And then finally, we have a 2010 Community Wildfire Protection Plan that was prepared by this Fire Safe Council. The Central Ventura County Fire Safety Council has initiated with us a update of that. They have a grant pending on that, which includes us but lot of what the roadmap is doing is what they're gonna be wanting to use as guiding this update and this is a county-wide community wildfire protection plan and everything you see here will move into that upgrade.

Okay next slide please. Of course, we are continuing as best we can through the shutdown. Our ongoing work we've been doing all this time to finalize the roadmap, working on this strategy, working on vegetation management, defensible space and public education, something we've been doing for 20 years. Next slide. So what's required to reach these goals? Obviously, what is we have discussed that the plan needs from the bottom up a purposeful community focused community driven holistic, inclusive and long-term planning and funding. That's what it takes to do this that in turn requires a consistent baseline funding apart from grants and donations.

Now historically the Ojai Valley Fire Safe Council has only worked off of grants and has never actually had a fundraising program of its own outside of the grant writing but as I've described discussed earlier those grants are becoming actually more difficult to get Also grants are project-specific, intermittent, uncertain and always short term. And the bigger grants we're looking at on the more sophisticated funding is going to require shovel ready projects which mean there has to be development money there beforehand such as permitting and design and things like that.

And I will say that hold on for a second Some of these programs that we're doing, these projects they can become funded otherwise through the public. The community supported grazing program is a great example but that still requires because the community will supporting the contracts to go out and graze these key areas for field reduction and vegetation management but it still requires somebody to sit there and do the continual fundraising and management of their program But ultimately, in many ways that kind of program can become self-sustaining. But for the most part there needs to be some consistent baseline funding.

Next slide please Now, of course we had placed our hopes to some degree and I think the city had as well on measure C which is we know was successfully passed but right now that's not exactly a going concern. But hopefully that will return and in that it'll provide this funding Another thing I've been looking at is to look at possibly following Marin County's lead, and I'm introducing this for the first time. And what Marin County did was they first passed a very specific wildland urban interface ordinance that affected existing structures to some degree and substantial remodels and new construction.

Then they formed what they called a Marin Wildfire Prevention Authority. And that was by exercise of powers agreement between 17 member agencies, which was the county, cities, towns, special districts. And then they just in March passed their Measure C, which is parcel tax It was passed by over 73% support that allows up to 10 cents per square foot for improved commercial and residential, then on unimproved things based on acreage. And then there were exemptions involved. There was independent community oversight of the funding. No one funded liabilities, 10% admin cap and that launched in July of this year their fiscal years July 1 to June 30th and the anticipated revenue from that Parcel tax is 9.3 million, and Marin's a pretty small county.

It's only 260,000 people. So I'm taking a long look at that. In fact it's interesting one of our project directors on coal on the grazing program, one of her shepherds, her father is on the Marin Wildfire Protection Authority So he's coming to town and we're gonna meet and talk about this, but it is just an example of what we can do. What I want you to do is prepare a much more expanded discussion memo on something like this, and then be able to share that with the council at a later date when that's ready.

But there's something where we have to begin to address that we need to have This baseline funding, and that was even stated in the measure itself. That what Marin County and Marin Fire Safe County which led this has understood for a long time that without a long term cooperative well-funded effort that the meaningful reductions of hazards and effective risk mitigation is just not possible. You just can't do this with grants here and there and stuff like that. It has to be something this community commits to, but I think we have a plan and a platform that could really make this work well.

So next slide please. And with that more information as for the other people, and I'm ready for any questions that anybody might have.

Okay, I have a question for you Chris at the Marin County set up did they have a fire protection district out there?

Fire protection district, well there's an unlike Ventura County. They have a number of special fire protection districts. So out of those 17 members, there are six fire protection districts. So they're members of the Marin Authority.

Okay so there are several of those and then there are a number of municipal fire departments?

Actually, no municipal fire departments. I can actually tell you who is on the thing right here. No, that's okay. What it is, it's the county itself. I'm assuming for the unincorporated areas that it is cities and they include towns so unincorporated towns at best. I don't know how to describe that. I've read the ordinance but actually didn't describe that very well and then there are Six fire protection districts and there's two community services districts. That constitutes the 17 members, so each one under their measure C gave the right for them to place the parcel tax within their jurisdictional boundaries.

And it was overwhelmingly approved by the voters and it's ongoing. And I don't know, I mean, I've been speaking with Central Ventura Fire Safe Council to see if what do we wanna do about discuss this as a countywide effort or start local or whatever. As you said discussion but I'm gonna think about it. I want to put together a detailed memo and then actually would like to present that to the council.

Okay Bill. Chris following up with that directly. We have ample precedent for treating the Ohio Valley as a separate entity for various purposes, beginning with the OI area plan that is gonna continue in the county's updated general plan. What I'm trying to say is I think if you're trying to put together a proposal that's going to be supported, I would think that focusing on an Ojai Valley fire protection and fire safe area It's gonna work a lot more than trying to make it county wide,

in my opinion. I'm actually really glad to hear that because I'd rather do it that way. Our focus is Yohai Valley area for the council. That's our focus as leaders in this

thing. And it's a special topography and leadership. Yeah, that's true. And real quick also there's- Randy has his hand up

but I'm sorry. Thank you, Johnny. You know Chris it's interesting First of all, I remember the December conversation and I was extremely excited. If I could have figured out how to convince everyone to fund you then I would have. But I'm gonna take a different approach than Bill's because I think something like this, I see your group the same way that I look at the Green Coalition.

They're representing a lot of people and a lot of interests and could never get funded You know what little money that we gave them on an annual basis, the county wouldn't give him any money and they were representing just as many people in the counties or where the city. I'd be very interested to sit down with you and with Babs and a couple other people and actually talk about what it would take to create something for the City of Ojai only.

Okay. And start from that premise, that what could we do? Because again I don't think we'd be interested in spending Measure C money on county property or county areas. That's just my take it's and it's just my opinion only it's not anyone else's but if we can create something that's within the city That captures the city problems and concerns and needs, I'd be more than interested to sit down and figure that out. And I think that's what BAB presented to us at the last council session. I've received other letters from other concerned citizens regarding the same thing. What can we do to harden our own community off? Without getting caught up and trying to harden everyone else off. I think our concerns are ours, and if we can set an example as to how to do it, it would make it easier to take it outside of our city into the sphere of influences in the Ojai Valley.

That's just my thoughts.

Okay, I'm gonna go back to Bill, I promise, and then I'm gonna go

to Susan. Really quick Chris, and to speak to your point Randy when we talk about agricultural wetted areas is as areas to help protect us for fire resiliency. That's inherently county and not city. So I agree with you as a start, but there's also it's going to be very hard to separate with the city lines. Chris, the other comment I want to make is there's a lot of overlap, I believe between fire resiliency and water resiliency. For example, we're talking about a Rondo removal which is a fire risk and water depletion. Agricultural wetted areas if we develop agreements for handling solutions to the adjudication that disproportionately affect ag We could have the unencountered consequences of encouraging fallow areas that take those wetted ag areas out.

So please stay in touch with us on the sort of, especially the higher level information that you develop because there are a lot of overlaps.

We understand and I was going to speak, but I do want to go to the point where I think the point you're making Bill poor as opposed to what Randy says I agree that there are things that there are things to do within the city. Hardening of course is structural hardening and how we do that and is very important, but The threats to the Ojai City is outside the city limits as well. So there is a sphere that we have to deal with if we want to protect the city, so how we divide that up and how we maintain the funding within that area, the Ojai Valley planned area then that's what we have to do but we do have to address things outside of the city limit to protect the city.

Okay, Susan.

Well that's exactly what I was going to say the vulnerable areas are outside of the city it seems to me that a fire within the city most of those if it starts in the city can be handled by a fire department and as we saw where as you like to say Mayor Johnny it were the donut We're the hole in the donut and we are much, much safer and less vulnerable than the surrounding area. It's impossible to separate the city from the unincorporated area is my feeling.

Right but we have to remember we have a fire protection district that has responsibility and mutual aid agreements for those areas around us. It gets into the city, any fire marshal will tell you that the real intensity when you see these horrible pictures, these tragic pictures on TV. Once it gets into a built up area, it is the man made built structures that are the problem they burn much hotter than does the chaparral. So it is a difficult thing to try to figure out how to do it but parcel tax is certainly one Based on something that's an allocated benefits allocation based on value. Do you have any other hands on this? Chris, did you have something else you wanted to add?

Because we, by some luck I suppose, missed the fate of Paradise which just was evacuated again by the way. We have people from Ojai whose house burned down in Paradise, rebuilt it and moved up there just to get it evacuated again. So what Mayor Johnson said is absolutely correct and that is that what levels our community is house-to-house ignition. But what starts the first house going is not direct flames because if that's rare, I mean it can be the cause but it's rarely the cause. I mean from the actual burning vegetation. That's why you have a hundred feet of dispensable space because 100 feet will cut off the radiant barrier of that heat from open flame of vegetation.

What burns it down is the ember casts, the fire brands And those can come like an autonomous fire from over a mile away. So, hardening our community is actually by the Fire Safety Council saying that's one of the absolute priorities because no matter what we do as the vegetation grows back and we want a healthy chaparral watershed up there then we're going to have ember cast in such a storm again, such a firestorm again So what we do in the city limits and for our structures is of utmost importance. But as we know, that takes a lot of data than it takes money and politics and everything else to get that done. So but the programs that we've outlined here are to build that understanding that database under and train people to do the assessments.

And then we can take the next step of looking at how do we fund people in various tiered fashions to get this done? And we can do that through prioritizing and tiering what we do to people. But that takes a coordinated funded effort to do that.

Okay, well thank you very much for sharing with us. Thank you. Appreciate the time you've taken. Okay-

And I will be in touch because obviously this is something to discuss directly with you people. I understand that to be the case. Okay all right thank you for your time. I appreciate it. You have a question,

Susan? It's just to everyone. We've had a number of public comments about not allowing people to have fires on their property and I've had calls from people whose neighbor are burning a large part, barely unattended fire near their family. Okay well

that's a topic for later right now.

But I thought for the public let's seize the moment because it's so important James said that there is That the public can do something about that, it's illegal. It's so important we should seize the moment- Okay

I agree and we can do that under council reports and announcements at the end of the meeting. Chris thank you for coming

in. Wait Mayor Johnny.

Sousa! Soussa! Soussa!

You're mistaken it's a public comment. We're at 730.

Soussa if you will stop I will then go to public comments. Okay. Chris, thank you for coming and we will move out the agenda. Thank you. So we are now at one minute past but I'm going to credit you with a minute Susan. It's 7 30 it's public comment time and I have cards from three people that I don't think is specifically what you were talking about but it may get blend into that.

We are ready for the public comments and I think River is the first one up.

Yeah, this is actually my goddaughter's resume account that I use. So I don't know why it's not showing me but anyway, I had sent a letter to the city manager and to the arts council and to you guys, the city council about proposing to have our Ojai day mandala in a modified form this year And we feel that we could, we looked at the park. I sent the email with kind of a very rough sketch. Did you guys get that?

Okay and so we're proposing of doing it socially distanced. And we would like to be able to use the supplies that we already have. We would not need to purchase any more supplies or tools, we have them all in the storage shed at the Boyd Center which is usually where we go. We would just need some help usually we get one of the city vans transports it to us and we would like to do it around the fountain and down the walkways and Connect it all so that it would be cohesive. We think that would bring a lot of joy and happiness in a time That's very challenging for us and just And we were proposing doing it Monday through Thursday during the week so that we have mostly locals and the weekend seemed to be very busy with tourists and who might not be engaged in our community in a way that they would be following the instructions.

And we would like to, so we're proposing to do it for full days first two days and then partial days the second two days where we will be there in the afternoon. So the children when they get off of school could come over and paint. And so we would probably talk to Tiffany Morse If you guys okay us to let the children know that that we're doing that. And we did, I did put a little proposal there if we could have an honorarium, if that would be able to be put in the budget because we all are.

We're all women. And, but we don't want that to get in the way of us being able to bring this into the community. So I want to ask you to consider it. This would be our, this is our 28th year and it's interesting because if you go by numerology which I just love to look at numbers and stuff, that's a one-year two eight is 10, which is a one year so it's a new beginning on something new.

Yep. Okay.

Next we have Patricia. Is that the right pronunciation?

Can you see me? Okay, can you hear me?

Yes.

Hi Patty!

Hi. Well, anyway um hello everybody I'm really glad to see that you all are looking like you're staying healthy during this really strange time and i want to thank you for all your efforts to protect the health of the Ojai residents and to keep the city running as smoothly as possible Thank you. Regarding the middle Stewart Creek Canyon restoration project I understand that the goal is to replace nonnative trees and bushes with native species.

However, I am really concerned as are many of us concerned with the use So with all of the crazy, you know what we're dealing with COVID-19 it's really highlighted how critically important our outdoor space and parks are. And we really object to the use of any kind of herbicides in this project. The health of the wildlife, the pets, the people and the soil are all negatively affected when exposed to glyphosate. I did send you all an email with I would like to start with information if you take the time to look at it.

Towns around the country are taking steps to ban glyphosate and other harmful pesticides. And the organization non-toxic neighborhoods has a webinar how to ban So, please keep in mind that glyphosate since July 2017 has been listed as known to the state of California to cause cancer. I sent information to you regarding that. I'm sure you're all aware that there have been huge amounts of money paid out. There was a New York Times article about Roundup The roundup maker to pay $10 billion to settle cancer lawsuits.

Another reason not to use glyphosate is that the Western monarchs have declined by over 99%. And a key factor in their decline is glyphosate. So we're asking you to take a pause and reconsider your approval for this project to make sure that they do not use herbicides, but the herbicides are not allowed. So please protect the health of the land, the water, the wildlife people and pets in Ojai. Thank you.

And thank you Patricia. Okay. Susan, you had something you wanted to say?

Patricia if you're Patty, are you still on the line? We are going to be discussing, we are pulling item I which is on the Stewart Canyon project if you want to stay on and listen to our discussion. That's all. Is it my turn now Mayor to talk about the fire comments?

No, we're doing public comment aren't we?

We had at least three public comments about asking us to immediately outlaw any open fires. The reason it's awkward is because-

Just a minute, Sousa are you making the public comment? No

but people can't we don't have a we're in a zoom meeting and not everyone knows how to access I guess.

Well, could you wait until it is returned then? Okay we're doing public comment and I will call on you to make an announcement okay Mary Kennedy

Hi, can you hear me?

Yes we can.

Okay hi I'm with the Mandala Mavens River Evergreen and myself my name is Mary Kennedy I live in Ojai. I think river said it best the proposal we really want to do a mandala because we have no Ojai day happening this year and the mandala is painted with water-based tempera paints We plan to paint around the fountain in Libbey Park, and we'd like if the mandala could last until the rains wash it away or until it gets worn away. We're kind of proposing a big bouquet of flowers, something happy from all of the...

It's been a crappy year. Something to boost people's spirits just like Ojai Day does when we have it. Let's see, I'm just picking up with things that I am trying to think that River covered most of it but basically right now we need permission there's a lot of work involved for us to do before the date comes and again where I think we're planning on October 19th through the 23rd so if we can get a green light from the city that it's okay to use the space.

We can start our planning, we need to mix paint, we need to do a lot of things so just you know if it's a go with the city then you know then we can begin or if you guys need to discuss logistics of those things also Again, we do plan to abide by all the COVID restrictions of social distancing and the things that we have planned can easily keep people distanced apart and things like that. So yeah, it's a fun project anyways. Thank you.

Okay, that's all the public comments. Now Susie you have an announcement you wanted to make for the benefit of the public about the rules on outdoor fires? Is that what your...

No well yes but the point is that we received at least three public comments from people who are concerned About outdoor fires, and I've also received personal messages from their neighbors burning an open fire. And so while we were on the topic of fire, I wanted to ask James to explain to the public what the regulations are about open fires during this high risk fire season or all year long actually?

The fact that we had someone do a presentation on fire didn't change our agenda to this is not a topic. And I'm sure James will be able to do that or we can do that at the end of the meeting, but it is not a new thing so I'm not quite understanding why you're insisting at this point in the agenda that we do this.

What I'm trying to say, I'm trying to represent the public who is not able to make their comments behind the podium.

Why have they not sent the comments to Lisa?

We have them. We received them this afternoon at five o'clock.

That's what's on my...

Yes, we have them. I have them here in front of me.

I think there is one or two comments. Well, one comment about fire from Michael S. Swanick, I think.

Yes and also from Betsy Watson, a Taormina.

Okay, let's go to the staff. James do you have public comments? I received a sheet from the clerk and i don't have what you have apparently

okay yeah apologies for that we do have um we do have a uh a few public comments i'll just read the name and in the subject they have been provided to the council of will resend it to make sure that they've gone One was from Leonard Clay regarding pickleball, which is not on the agenda tonight. But that comment's been provided to you. Russell Sidney wrote a comment letter but it's regarding consent item I supporting that project for fire prevention.

Michael Swanick sent a public comment about Ojai needing a law outlawing open fires And to that point, I can keep it very brief. The City Code Article 2 Section 3-4.201 requires a permit for any open fire so if anybody witnesses an open fire they can call either the city's code compliance or if it's outside of hours non-emergency PD or I guess depending on the fire you know even emergency PD maybe Called it at some point, but that can be called in. We have to my knowledge we haven't received any calls so

would you repeat that for the public in case anybody's listening to that number?

Yeah so our city code requires a permit to ignite or burn in the open air any open exposed or outdoor combustible waste material and there's more to it than that Article 2, section 3-4.201 of our city code and so it's available online but again call the city's code compliance or the non-emergency PD if somebody is you know starting a fire and you witness it. So that was that one we also have a comment about small wireless facilities but we'll mention that at that time And two comments about small wireless facilities that we'll mention at that time.

So those are the public comments we

received. Susan, do you have others that were submitted that somehow didn't get to me?

Well embedded in here is a comment in the letter that James mentioned. There's a comment from Betsy Watson. She said there were four fires at the Meadow Preserve I would like to fact check that someone is starting fires there or whatever.