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Forum for the Ohio City Council Tuesday, March 23rd 2021 meeting. Gail may we have the roll call please?
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Thank You Randy Okay, may we have the approval of the agenda? Motion for that? Move approval. Thank you. Thanks Bill. Second? I'll second. Thank you. Okay roll call please Gail? Oh we did. Oh we did.
Never mind. Roll call vote on approval of the
agenda.
Yeah
move to approve.
Thank
you.
Roll call Gail? Approval of the agenda?
or not here at this point Thank You Gail
okay and then James Commissioner comments
Yes, and I saw some commissioners signed up so we added this back on at Council's request from last meeting. And this is the opportunity for each Commission to send a representative to speak on some of the current happenings. I think with the joint meetings being on hold during the pandemic it's a good time to hear from some of them. I believe we have Christine Golden from the Arts Commission, Steve Quillesey from the Planning Commission and Brian Akins from the Historic Preservation Commission.
Gail, could you let... I have Christine Golden as number one. Can you let Christine in at this point?
Okay.
And then Steve Quillesey would be next.
Okay, Christine. If you're there you should be able to speak go ahead and unmute yourself.
Hi this is
Christine I don't see myself on the screen so that's a little... Christine i'm going to promote you to panelist they should be able to see you in just a moment
We want to see you.
Christine, you should be a panelist now if you don't have your camera on you can turn on your camera. There you go. Okay. Hi everybody and first I just want to say
A thank you to Mayor Sticks for reinstituting Commissioner comments at the beginning of a meeting. I don't have time, I'm going to try to keep this really short but if I did I would have to tell you everything all the exciting things that happened over the last three and a half four years that you don't know But let's start with today. And unfortunately, my report is going to just be a whole bunch of kind of sad news.
And the first thing I'd want to tell you about is that we have now had two commissioners drop off very recently. Sammy Zarringer was on the commission for three years and she's had to step down for personal reasons. And Linda Harmon who was on the commissioner since 2008 also stepped down. And so she's been on the commission for 13 years She will have her name put on a bronze badge that goes on the plaques over at City Hall. And she should be recognized for the fine work that she did, especially recording our municipal collection in the museum's program and spearheading a partnership with the Ojai Valley Hospital where 10 of our paintings from the municipal collection are hanging up in the continuing care center for everyone over there to enjoy and they're some incredible pieces over there.
And when COVID is no longer something we talk about, maybe we'll have like a little tour over there. The other thing I wanted to mention to everyone in case you didn't know, is that one of the founders of the Arts Commission and one of the authors Of the public art ordinance has passed away. And that is mod at think and a model should be recognized by, um, the arts commission, but also probably by city council as well because my debt way, way back in the early two thousands was very figurative in the arts commission.
And she was a painter. She did, um. Holographs and monotypes prints, and they all had a nature theme. And Maudet contributed greatly to the art and culture of arts in Ojai. We lost another great artist, which I know you all know, and that's Phil Harvey. Phil Harvey made it to 99 years old. And he said the secret of longevity was to have joy, peace, and love of community.
And that really describes Phil Harvey, you know, he was a professional actor and a singer He was a baritone, he played Curly in Oklahoma. He was an Ojai living treasure. He founded the Community Chorus in 1987. He founded the Ojai Photography Club in 1984. It was called The Camera Club because he worked at Dexter's camera but then eventually it became The Photography Club and we have a collection of two or three of Phil Harvey's paintings in our municipal collection And they're well worth looking at a couple of those are over at the Continuing Care Center.
We also lost Norman Kirk and Norman Kirk is known throughout the country for his watercolors, and if you go into your conference room at City Hall, you will see a Norman Kirk watercolor of the Ojai Post Office And he taught watercoloring in Ventura, at Ventura College. He was actually born in Santa Paula and his very last show that he had was at the Ojai Center for the Arts in 2019. So sorry to have such sad news but we really did lose some greats on the Ojai art scene and I thought that the public should know that and it should be noted.
Christine, we also lost Kent Butler
Oh, Kent Butler. You know when I- How's
my husband?
Kent Butler. Yes thank you very much who won numerous awards we also have a Kent Butler in our collection and you'll know Kent's paintings because of his vivid use of color just this bright vibrant color he also did black and white drawings and of course his wife Sharon is also an artist He's in our Muny collection over at the hospital as well. There's an iconic Ojai Day poster that he did in 2015, which many of you will get a picture of that in your mind. And he also did the cover of The Visitor's Guide to the Ojai Valley Directory and a label for wine at Topa Mountain Winery, which is an excuse to go to Topa Mountain Winery and buy a bottle of wine. So thank you, Sousa. He was right here in my notes and I just slipped right by him Kent Butler.
Yeah, we lost some grades so thank you everybody for the time.
Thank you so much and thanks to all of the amazing people who've made our town more beautiful. Really grateful to all of you. Thanks for the update. Okay moving right along uh Steve Quillesey thanks nice to see you Christine too.
Nice to see everybody Thank you. I'll leave now, I'm going to go bye. Bye James!
Bye! And so Steve Quillesey from the Planning Commission is next and then Brian Akins from Historic Preservation will be after him
Okay, Steve you should be able to Commissioner Chip Quillacy you should be able to put your camera on and unmute yourself and you can go ahead.
Very good I was waiting for that tray full of icons to come up thank you it's a hard act to follow nothing that we've been doing in the Planning Commission is nearly so exciting Within the last two weeks, several of the commissioners took part in one of the rainy and associate workshops on the general plan update. And we look forward to at least one more of those workshops and thank you all for getting that process started.
At our most recent meeting on the 17th last week, we had two items. We approved a lot line adjustment over in the Taormina area Normally that's a ministerial decision, but because of the amount of land that was moving from one lot to another being more than 10% of either lot. It came to the planning commission and we approved it. And second, we had a session advising the First Baptist Church of Ojai out on the north side of Grand Avenue near Near Golden West, I think but on the other side of Grand.
They want to put up a new monument sign and we gave them some advice on softening the lighting it's halo lit letters. But reducing the glare both for drivers and for dark sky purposes. And asked them to consider some alternative base material make something more natural wood like or stone or something along that line.
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In addition, we're expecting a number of new cases in the next few meetings. And we'll be passing along recommendations to the council on those as well as continuing our search through title 10 for errors, omissions and other errata and then be suggesting some changes to the text of the municipal code as well. So that concludes my report and thank you very much For letting the commissions report again.
I'm not sure how many folks may be watching this on channel 10 right now, but it's probably 10 to 100 times as many as show up for a typical planning commission meeting. So I appreciate the chance to let the community know what we're doing. Thank you very much.
Before you go, Steve. Thank you. Thank you. Every member you and every member of the commission, the work you guys have put into cleaning up Title 10. It's thankless, important and really high quality work by dedicated volunteers. So thank you very
much. There's a column in a magazine I read called Boring But Important And that's how I look at the title 10 clean
up. Thank you. Oh, I just want to echo what Bill said because I sat through some of those sessions. It's so tedious for three hours. The level of concentration required is amazing. So thank you.
I really have to hand it to the rest of the members of the commission too because it takes a lot of time to go through all of these provisions of the code And make cogent remarks as they come up in a commission session.
So
hats off to all of them. You know, Steve the benefit too is it gives these commissioners insight and I don't know how many commission meetings I've sat through where it seemed like they were deliberating not really understanding what the codes were or what the policies were or what the procedures were and this just gives that commission a great opportunity to acquire
knowledge It forces you to get to know the code, that's for sure.
And we can't do anything without planning so thank you, thank you, thank you for doing it. Nice to meet you Steve. Nice to meet you Mayor.
Thank you. Now we've got Brian. Yeah, Brian Akins should be next.
Okay, he should be... There he is. Brian you should be able to speak now and if your camera's off please turn your camera on and unmute your microphone.
Hey Brian can you hear us?
I saw a light go
out. Can you hear me now? Yeah, yes.
We still can't see you.
We got your twin on. Here's to Brian.
Oh
there. Okay. You're
back on mute Brian. You're muted Brian. How about now? We can hear you. OK, great because I have three screens I'm looking at right now. I figured one of them might eventually work. No picture
yet. No picture.
Well, I'm doing this on my iPhone and everything worked for the two museum meetings I had today so I guess you'll just have to take my word for it. Yeah. Okay, if I go ahead.
Good good for us if it's good for you yeah
okay good got a timer going over here and i'm already over overdone okay so good evening Council city manager legal and staff my name is Brian Aikens chair the historic preservation commission I appreciate this opportunity to share with you an HPC update our current ad hoc committee task is working to bring to the full HPC and then counsel A proposal for the designation of the downtown historic district. This has been on our minds for several years and shared with Council in past joint meetings, the ad hoc committee is comprised of Commissioner Gina McCattin who chairs this committee historian Craig Walker and me.
It is our goal to present a package that would focus on completeness while being frugal with both costs and time, and not being a burden on the city's finances and staff. To date as discussed at our last HPC meeting, thank you Councilman Wyrick for being there, we have delineated boundary identified potential contributing non-contributing and not fully identified properties, as in who knows who that lot is within that boundary?
Further, a spreadsheet is being completed with the wide variety of information that pertains to each individual property. To aid us in this we would like to have arranged a joint session with the council and HPC. We were to talk about this early last year but with COVID that did not happen go figure. Please ask for that, we asked for that to happen at the earliest meeting convenient to Council. Our goal is to have something in place by August 5th 2021 happy birthday city of Ojai for their centennial. To conclude this section I share with you an early opening draft from Craig Walker. The downtown Ohio Historic District defines an area of historic significance Significance 1874 to 1940 representing the town's planned development and redevelopment from an Old West pioneer settlement to a modern city, beautiful village of Spanish architecture.
The town from its very inception has been a model of vision and planning which attracted some of California's most accomplished architects to design this building. Thank you, Craig. Another item of importance is our commission composition. We are five commission members we have One vacancy going back to early November 2020 and three commissioners that are currently with expired terms. Fortunately, all three hope to be reappointed we currently do not have a vice chair as ties Quinn relocated were unable to fill the position with only one. current member. We respectfully ask for the council's assistance to rectify this with the filling of the existing vacancy and reappointment of the three as a council members see fit, as we understand this will be done by single council members recommendations.
Thank you all for your wonderful service and sorry I wasn't in person
Brian, are you
still
there?
Yes. I am, Susan.
Mayor Betsy. Brian, I did appoint someone. I'll follow up with Gail to see what's happening. Maybe maybe their window of maybe they're waiting to see if anyone else applies. But I did appoint someone.
Great. Thank you.
OK.
And thank you so much, Brian, for that Beautiful report and all the amazing work that you're doing.
You're very welcome, Mayor. I look forward to the opportunity to stand at the podium and be able to speak with you face-to-face. That's incredible! I've been around long enough that I actually remember when we did a live commission report so... Commissioner reports. So thank you all
can't wait for that.
Yeah, I
agree. Well, thank you for coming.
You're welcome. Thank you.
All right, well now we're moving on to public communications.
I do think we have my list shows three public comment speakers
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And City Manager Vega, just an update on that. Steve Quillacy also had a public communications item that he wanted to give as well so there's four. Okay I'll go ahead and bring Steve Quillacy back in. Steve, you can go ahead and speak. You won't show on the screen but you can go ahead and speak now.
Did I unmute? Okay
thank
you very much. I wanted to reprise an email that i sent to mayor and council members about the Maricopa Highway experiment that we have going on. The city of Maricopa. We want better conditions for bicyclists and pedestrians. And a larger majority that does not like the current configuration of the experiment with two lanes and lots of planters, that kind of thing.
Fortunately there is a section of Maricopa highway within the city right now. That meets both requirements of Maricopa Highway. And that is the section between the Y and Carrillo Street. If you're familiar with the area, there are two very clearly marked and separated green painted bike lanes and no parking on the street. My suggestion is that you continue that all the way to the Cuyama-El Roblar intersection The only on-street parking that one ever sees, with the exception of July 4th and perhaps the Nordhoff graduation is people who are frequently there to visit the Ojai Meadows.
And there is plenty of city space PL zoned just to the north of the driveway into St. Thomas Aquinas Church that could accommodate the few cars that are there with off street parking Then you could go back and so you red paint the curbs. And the only thing you have to spend to implement this plan is paint. In fact, if you want more protection for pedestrians, you could put additional, what do they call them? Rectangular rapidly flashing beacon signals in the medians, in front of the hospital down at either Church Street or Peary Street and at Carrillo.
And the actual distance that a slow-moving pedestrian would need to cover for the two lanes of traffic in either direction is actually less distance than across the two lanes that are now one each direction in the current experiment. So I urge you to consider this. It is a solution that preserves what the majority wants in both ways, protection for bicyclists and pedestrians as well as the four lanes and it costs a whole lot less than the current plan. Thank you very much.
Thank you Steve.
Next Gail? Next we have Elizabeth Herring. Elizabeth, if you can unmute yourself go ahead and you can go ahead and speak.
Hi, can you hear me? Yes. Okay great. So I have a comment, which I believe is related to the last City Council meeting about drones. Maybe it wasn't the last one but I thought it was anyways so I sent an email about it and I will read that here. I'm concerned about the potential for drone deliveries to exist within the city of Ojai. I believe what makes Ojai a special place to live and what gives Ojai its inherent character is the lack of noise pollution, technological clutter and abundance of wildlife, especially our bird wildlife.
While drone delivery is an efficient idea in theory, the actuality of package deliveries taking place via drone would severely increase the amount of noise pollution in Ojai and disrupt Ojai's serene and quiet nature, as well as disturbing the home of birds in our town. I can speak to that specifically in that wildlife protectionists are using drones to monitor bird life but they're trained technically and how to respect wildlife while using drones, and I don't believe that like a common delivery person would have the exact skill in order to navigate that situation.
Already, drones being used to inspect telephone poles to determine electrical adjustments and construction to be planned have created noise disruption and pose a threat to personal privacy. This is an important matter that needs to be reviewed in detail and pushed back against I do not think that Ohio's character should be changed to meet the needs of consumerist tendencies at large.
So that's my statement. And I just want to emphasize that I think that drones pose like a larger problem also to personal privacy, and I think that they have not been tested well enough in larger society to be tested at first in Ojai, and I think that it's just something to consider so thank you.
Thank you so much Elizabeth for coming
Yeah, no problem.
Next please. Thank you Gail.
Next we have Annette Campbell. Annette go ahead and you can speak. Annette are you there? You can go ahead and speak.
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I'm mute okay can you hear me now yes Okay. First of all, I just want to say thank you for this time to speak and I wanted to speak to you about pickleball. And I want to thank the city that we now have our own location to play pickleball and it's obvious that this sport is growing rapidly as we can already see the effects of a numbers of people who are coming and they come not only from our town but also from other towns as well.
And so many first timers have told us how they felt so welcome by our group. My husband is now 81 years old and this sport has literally, and I mean literally gotten him off the couch. In the process he's lost 20 pounds and is in great shape. We're able to ride our bikes to the courts which is an added plus. Not only has this sport benefited our health it has also gotten us through this past year of isolation with being able to safely socialize while still getting exercise Now that the sound wall and the east wall are in the process of being built, and we now have more daylight plus we are a part of Libbey Park. We're asking to have the limited hours lifted and changed to the same hours as the tennis players who play at Libbey Park from 6am to dusk with the present hours.
We mostly have all four courts filled while other players awaiting the extended hours would allow players to spread out more during the day It would also give us the opportunity of playing during the cooler hours of the Ojai summer heat. We all know how hot it gets here in Ojai in the afternoons, playing in the heat of the day especially for seniors is truly a health concern as well we have to consider the working people some don't get off until five o'clock they should have the opportunity to play until dusk as well I hope you'll take all this into consideration And we thank you for all the beautiful things that you've done for our courts. We are just loving it.
Thank you for the time.
Thank you, Annette, for coming. We have one more, Gail?
Yes. Thank you. The next person is Tim Kraut. Tim, you should be able to speak now if you can unmute your microphone and you can speak.
Good evening Madam Mayor, Council Members. I'm Tim Kraut, Ojai resident and U.S. Pickleball Ambassador to the Local Pickleball Group as one of the over 100 pickleball players here at City Hall Campus Libbey Park, I'm requesting that our playtime hours be revised. As you know, Ojai's spring and summer temperatures can be very hot especially during the middle of the day.
City staff has informed us that our afternoon playtimes for this period has been set at 2 30 to 6 30 p.m which is the hottest time of the day I feel that for the city to be equitable, community-minded to all the residents and taxpayers. The City Hall campus should have the same hours as a tennis courts in Libbey Park downtown campus. Since the signage is at both the downtown and City Hall campuses state that the parks are open for public use from 6 to 11 p.m..
Why are the pickleball players being singled out and discriminated against by having restricted access to public park because one or two neighbors don't like the noise a public park is designed to create? It appears that the council is responding to the desires of one or two people above the needs of over 100 community members wishing to use the public park. We often hear the words equitable, equality, inclusiveness and community.
Shouldn't these be more than just words and be actions taken? How can treating one group of citizens different than another group represent the meaning of any of these words? Some of our pickleball players have even been told by one of the empowered neighbors that they are not allowed to remain on the pickleball court area after our allotted play
time,
even if they're just sitting on the court talking and playing not playing. So pickleball players are banned from the park except during the posted play times but other people are allowed to camp in the park 24 seven. This feels like just the opposite of equitable equality and inclusiveness. So at a minimum I'm requesting that the pickleball play times be adjusted As of April 1st to 7 to 1130 a.m and 330 p.m to desk, thank you.
Thank you Tim for coming and thank you Gail. Okay moving on to consent calendar is there a motion to approve?
Move to approve.
Second. Second great okay may
Roll-call vote Passed 3–0 Move to approve. Second. Second great okay may we have the vote please Gail Council Member Francina? Are we on mute, Susan? My dog was barki · 1 under review
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Thanks for all the good work James.
Thank you. Yeah thank you so much James. All right Moving right along. So number two, the COVID report. James?
Thank you. I have a very brief presentation today. I will show that. I am excited. I'll just say both the extension of the skate park lease through 2044 and the creation of the internship program, I know we're both Things that the City Council and we had talked about for quite a while. So I am excited about that. So thank you for approving that.
Yeah, and I just want to reiterate that. Thank you so much James both of those. The skaters are ecstatic. Time to
celebrate
yeah. And I already know people who want to apply for the internship program.
Awesome yeah tomorrow we'll post a link for how to apply now that we're getting that moving. With that, I should hopefully everybody seeing the screen. We have just a brief update on COVID which is good. I think things are trending in a positive direction so hopefully each week you know will be kind of briefer and briefer because they're hopefully we'll be getting back to normal and won't have as many things to address.
Okay. And so these statistics reflect that. You can see, again we talked about this that in December and February we were having these huge increase in cases in the county and that has pretty much tapered off where over the last month where the month from January to February there were 24,000 cases. In the last month there have been less than 3,000 cases. So a huge reduction in number of cases That's also reflected in Ojai and the 93023 zip code, where there had been 623 cases in January that spiked to 970 a month later.
But moving forward another month we've only had 12 cases in that time frame in our 93023. So we're really seeing the effects of getting this under control and getting the vaccine out, which is really positive. It's also reflected with the hospitalization rate dropping dramatically. It was less than 10% of what it was two months ago. And a similar thing with ICU cases dropping from 22 weeks ago to 12 in the ICU currently.
But there have been some recent deaths. We're now up to 957 in the county, and I think that's the reminder for all of us to keep doing our part to try to put an end to this which we are finally making progress on. And so what this means and what it potentially means for us is there's the three key factors which are these three rates listed up here, you'll notice that the case rate we're at about five which shows in red because that's what is placing us in the red tier at this point. That has dropped dramatically I believe two weeks ago it was about 12 cases and so we've had this major drop and if it drops much further there we potentially could be hitting the next tier, the orange tier If it drops below 4.0, so we're at 5.0 now the other two rates that count the testing rate and the equity testing rate were already at the point where we could be orange tier so it's just the case rate that needs to continue to drop and it really seems to be dropping the county I think the county today report reported I think it was something like 24 cases so County wide so which was one of the lowest numbers we had seen in quite a while So I think that we are looking at a situation where potentially if things continue this way, we could move to orange tier and will explain in a minute what that means.
But it's the first time we've been in this situation and it's really a big positive and it should be good for our businesses and for our residents to feel like things are getting back to normal. Hopefully it continues that way. I think the big concern is the last time indoor dining opened, we saw a bump in the numbers. Talking to county public health, we're not expecting that this time but it's something we'll have to watch and it's also why everybody should just continue to wash your hands distance and wear face coverings whenever possible so As we said earlier, we have been in the purple tier for quite a while.
And so what we wanted to show here quickly is in some key areas for Ojai, key business types for Ojai what the difference between purple tier red tier and orange tier would be because we could potentially move into the orange tier within a couple of weeks if things continue. So as you can see here there's some Subtle differences and then some that will make more of an impact than others.
For retail, each tier that we move up it's just the capacity increases and so that's a positive. We went from 25% to 50%. And then at orange tier there is no limit on the capacity for gyms and fitness centers they were outdoors only in purple tier Now they can be open at 10% inside and when we move to orange tier, they could open at 25% inside which would make a big difference for the fitness centers and gyms in the valley.
Places of worship those can open They have been outdoors only although that changed towards the end of our time in purple tier where they started to allow indoors At a 25% capacity that's continuing under red tier and at orange chair, it would open at 50% capacity. Restaurants as we I think we all know were outdoors only during purple tear they now can be 25% capacity indoors and once we get to orange chair, it could be 50% capacity indoors.
And then wineries, breweries and distilleries actually had a recent change that was effective since our last council meeting. They in our red tier can open outdoors with as long as they have reservations a 90 minute time limit the idea being you can't sit all day and you know and hang out because that increases the risk of spread And then seating at tables only and then the wineries, breweries and distilleries have a earlier close time than other businesses. But once we get to orange tier those can start opening indoors with 25% capacity so that'll be a big change at that point.
And then the other one that we're getting a lot of calls about which doesn't take effect yet it takes effect April 1st is the outdoor live events with assigned seating Those currently cannot occur, but effective April 1st when we expect to still be in red tier. Those can occur with a maximum 20% capacity with some requirements like having advanced reservations and in-seat concessions And then once we get to orange tier, those can open up more with 33% capacity and without some of the stricter restrictions. So I think I saw it this weekend being out and about is...I heard from a few people who said it was starting to feel more like normal, and I think that's a good thing.
And I think moving to orange tier will even We'll continue to have the signage and notices up reminding people to do that. I, we did this events update at the last couple meetings. I wanted to mention it because we're seeing that this year will be very fluid and it will be there will be a lot of changes as we go. I think I mentioned at the last meeting that we were talking to groups like the music festival who are planning to hold their event, but the music festival last week announced Postponing it to later this year from June to September, and I think that's kind of what we're going to see this year is we're going to see everybody be very flexible maybe move some dates to try to make it work or change their. you know, their event from what it typically is.
You know, modify how people get access or you know how seating is provided like that's what we're going to see this year so it was just a good chance to kind of give an example of that. It's going to be a flexible unique year but it is planning at this point its plan in planning to be held Earth Day similar small scale down version Art-in-the-Park Is still being planned this year.
Fourth of July fireworks are still being planned and again with all of these, we're going to keep in contact with the event holders. We're going to review protocols and we're going to see what can be done and you know there may be things that can't be done but these are the current what we're currently in communication on Sterling concerts those are still planned to be held this year.
Later in the year starting July, as Chair Aikens from the Historic Preservation Commission mentioned we are working on centennial celebration planning with the museum. And we are still working on a scaled down local focused Ojai Day this year and then people probably heard it was kind of breaking news that I think three o'clock today or so at the Ventura County Fair which is not a city event but obviously most a lot of people in the city go to the Ventura County Fair That was canceled for 2021 today, but they noted that they are planning it for 2022. And my understanding is it's canceled more because of a funding issue not because of COVID protocols.
So we have that going on and the other big thing to celebrate is we are making some real progress with vaccinations. I spoke with representatives from the hospital today and they told me that as The end of day yesterday they have vaccinated, or they have given 7500 vaccines. Which is huge it's you know it's essentially the population of the city and that's in The 13 days that they've been able to, you know, to give the vaccines out. So that is a big impact we're hearing that 75% of residents over 65 have been vaccinated at this point and that's in Ventura County and that countywide there have been 235,000 first dose Doses issued and 107,000 second doses issued.
And just to put that into perspective 235,000 people receiving the first dose is about a quarter of the county population. So there's still work to do but it's real progress being made in real time and we've heard people say like when we look back on this like The scale of this vaccine rollout is going to be mind boggling, and I think we're seeing it in real life as it goes. We had hiccups to start but it's really moving quickly. And Nordoff is gonna continue to give vaccines although they are shifting to second dose vaccines so that they can get all the people who had gotten their first doses done could start coming through and getting their second doses.
Appointments for those could still be made on VenturaCountyRecovers.org And then just as a reminder, we are in the phase that opened up last week where individuals 16 to 64 who have severe health conditions such as the ones listed here can start to be vaccinated and we are hearing more and more than on Mondays that there are appointments available on the website For a while, if you recall it was the minute that vaccine appointments would open up they'd be full but we're hearing that the appointments are available and people should continue to check those and get their appointments if interested. And then just I think this is the last slide but the COVID testing at Sarzotti Park has been extended for one more month through the end of April.
It's Wednesday from 9am to 3.30pm And it's just a reminder, a lot of people recently have asked why is it important to get tested and really the reason is if. You know if you suspect that you may have been exposed to COVID rather than continuing to You know don't assume that the people around you have gotten vaccinated because, as we saw we still are about 25% in the county.
And so getting tested is important to prevent you know accidentally spreading it to others that's still. is happening and can happen. So if you are suspecting it or you have any symptoms, or even a suspicion of it, you can walk up at Sarzotti Park and get tested. We are hearing that there's no line over the last few months. There's absolutely no lines so it's a quick five minute in-and-out situation.
So with that, oh one last slide. There we also wanted to point or to give this information to businesses in Ojai that there are some grants available and one of them is closing so if you If you're interested in these grants, you can get information on these on SBA.gov. There's a shuttered venue operations grant which even the city is looking at. Our staff is reviewing this to see if we could qualify for this for the Libby Bowl, for example. But if there are any other businesses who could qualify they can review that on SBA.gov And then there's the Restaurant Revitalization Grant, also available on SBA.gov and I think that's opening it's expected to open next week but there's information and a link on that page.
And then the California Relief Grants has a couple of different groups but the non-profit cultural institutions such as The Museum for example, that group is closing now so Those groups should apply there, CAReliefGrant.com. And then a new round will open up on March 25th for certain businesses. So with that, that is the latest happenings and I'm happy to answer any questions if there are any.
Bill and then Randy?
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James, live events would that include Spoken, seminar lecture type things outdoors following the same protocols. Would that fit in that category? If they follow
the same protocols the way it's worded is outdoor live events with assigned seats so if you know if somebody wanted to have You know spoken word, you know I could think of you know a poetry reading, a book reading and they were able to do it outdoors with the science seats and with controlling the audience. Then they would be able to do those effective
April 1st. Effective April 1st and it looks like if present trends continue we could be in orange by sometime in April. Is that right?
Yeah. Public health office told us yesterday a representative said that if it continues, it can potentially be two weeks. OK, thank you.
Randy and then James, has anyone come forward on legacy events, you know, asking if they can resume or if they can when they can?
Yes. Yes, for sure. We're getting contacted by almost all event holders and it's very confusing right now so you know a lot of people are just asking would we even be able to? So we're having those conversations daily at this point but Everybody's excited, including us. But we also all have to keep in mind one comment that we've heard a few times is now that COVID is over and I keep having to remind people it's not over and we'll have protocols and make sure that we're doing these things safely.
And then we talked about the number of people allowed in, let's say a restaurant. Are those numbers posted? So maximum seating I know I've seen them in some places. I'm not sure if I've seen them everywhere because how does someone determine what is maximum seating if it's not posted and are we responsible for regulating that or is that something we expect the county to do?
Yeah so we collaborate with the county Each time, there's a lot of work to it that goes on behind the scenes that people probably don't realize and in a lot of ways that's good if it's just kind of happening behind the scenes and things are going well which they have been lately knock on wood but we each time that the tier changes. We meet with the county and they have a list of building businesses that are affected by the changes We take those and we have our code enforcement officer go business to business and check those. And on the windows of each business, there's supposed to be the attestation form that shows they fill out and say that they're following all the requirements.
And so our code enforcement officer literally goes door-to-door and make sure that each business is following the right procedures. I just know in the beginning of COVID,
I thought we did a very good job, actually an excellent job interacting with our businesses and as we phase through this you know the most important thing we have to be is vigilant. You know, we were the first city in the county to actually require masks I would imagine we're going to be the last city in the county that takes them off so saying that as much as we want our businesses to prosper and to open and welcome guests again I still think we need Really on the edge of making people really aware of where we are.
Again to me having these applications and then maybe having some type of account for occupancy posted so that any normal person could look into a restaurant and say well there's 15 tables they're only allowed 50 percent, there should only be roughly seven tables in use. So things like that I just think it's going Our citizens make better choices as to what to do when to do and where to do it so.
yeah
that's
a good point, you know one one thing we have noticed was we were getting a lot of calls from people who said that the that the outdoor dining look very crowded and. Which is what we've kind of talked to people about because we went out to several of those is that the outdoor dining is somewhat deceptive, especially in certain areas where you walk by and you'll see like 12 people sitting outside and it looks very crowded but Really because no one's sitting inside and nobody, you know it's just they're clustered in kind of one outdoor space. And so that is something we could do which was a bad example because outdoor dining there is no capacity limitation but on indoor dining we can make sure that we start looking at that now that's opened up and that the attestation form on the window clearly says how many they should have.
And then obviously we're posting this on our website Yes. All this information? Yep. Where we are, where we're headed? Yeah
and we still have the COVID page link at the top of the website that we post all of the grants and everything else at too. Great thank you.
Gail any public comment on this item? No
public comment on this item.
Okay thank you well once again thank you so much James for all your hard work and Medical experience at this point.
I'm sorry, I had one more question though about going back to testing. Yeah so i want to be clear that the shot not testing but the shots that are going to be given out of Nordoff from this point forward are going to be second shots only until we acquire
more vaccine? I would say yeah so I was gonna say probably not I wouldn't say from this point forward but at this point it's going to go to second dose vaccines And I think what we're hoping, you know, I've been talking to the hospital and everything is. What we're hoping is we could keep advocating and at some point get enough doses to still continue to do the first and second dose but for right now they're shifting to second dose for the next.
So
if I call the Ventura County hotline
they're going to tell me that. That I'd like to get my second shot or I'd like to get my shot in Novai Second second shots only from this.
Yeah, when you when you make your appointment on Ventura County Recovers dot org, it will only let you do it if it's the second shot.
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Thank you, James. And let's keep vigilant and I like that Randy first first ones to put the mask on last one to take it off. OK, well moving on to number three, the city Internet and domain name change
Yes, thank you. I will keep this very simple the we had a grand jury. County-wide grand jury report on cybersecurity about the days blend together. It feels like six months ago, I wouldn't be surprised at this point if it was two years ago the way things have been going or if it was last week the way things are going. But I think it was about six months ago the grand jury did a report and it was all cities so it wasn't anything that Ojai in particular was doing wrong but in their report they identified Several issues that they were asking cities to fix for the intent of being clearer and easier for residents and others to find information or understand that they're in a safe location on the websites.
And so one of those recommendations that they made, for eight out of the 10 cities So what they did is they said eight of the cities had suboptimal website addresses. And the idea being, they want every city to have the same structure in your web address so that residents know they're going to a real city website and not you know a fraudulent website or one that somebody has hacked.
To change the website, ours is currently OjaiCity.org and the recommendation was to change each city's to the CityName.ca.gov And so ours would change to Ojai.ca .gov The only exception to that is Ventura because it's the same name as the county that theirs would be CityofVentura.ca dot gov and they actually recently made their change in that you can So we received those recommendations. We provided a response that was approved by the City Council that said we would work to get into compliance, and this is the first item we're bringing back to get into compliance.
Cybersecurity recommendations. And the big question I assume most people would have is, does this change how I get to the website? And the answer right now is we're going to try to make it as simple and streamlined as possible. We're going to have the current web page redirect. If you put in OjaiCity.org, it'll still get you there. But over time, we're hoping everybody gets used to going to Ojai.ca.gov But we'll have, we'll have both for the time being.
And the only costs that we want to note is the cost to reprint things like letterhead and business cards that will have the, that will have to at some point update with new web addresses. So with that, we're just recommending approving the name change. So Mayor I'll make a motion.
Any public comment on this Gail? No public comments. Okay.
Go
for it, Randy. Thank
you. That the City Council approve the proposed domain name change in accordance with the recommendation R-02 of the Cybersecurity Strategies for Cities and Ventura County Grand Jury Report. Do I need to say more?
Second. Great! Okay may we have a vote please Gail?
I beat you to it, Susan.
That's okay. Council Member Haney?
Yes.
Council Member Francina? Yes. When we're done, I have a question. Mayor Pro Tem Wyrick? Yes Mayor Stixx?
Yes Okay great thank you for taking care of that James. Question?
My question is is it inevitable that this will be emails next
So there are recommendations related to emails. And so we actually were going to bring those together but we realized we had some kinks, we had to work through on the email so we'll fix those and then bring a recommendation to Council on those two
well it's gonna look very official. That's for
sure. Yeah, that's the benefit is every you know there's uniformity and everybody will, the residents will know you are the official person, whether you like it or not.
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Okay, great. Alright moving right along number for the gas landscaping equipment prohibition update and collections process.
Thank you this one probably not so brief but we'll see. The on April 27 which is you know 11 months ago at this point. The city's prohibition of gas powered landscaping equipment went into effect, we had Brought the ordinance prepared the ordinance and everything pre COVID, and then it went into effect right at the beginning of COVID. And so at that point the City Council had said to have a couple months of warnings before starting enforcement With you know by citation for use of gas powered landscaping equipment and then we had talked about coming back at some point, you know six months or so after we had started with the report on how the enforcement was going and if it was working or if we needed to make any modifications.
And so this report is intended to give that report back, but also to make a recommendation that I will get to in a moment. But the brief report back is that we did start enforcing it or we did a couple things. We reached out to landscaping businesses and we went through a licensing program that was Pretty well received, you know of course people aren't thrilled to have to buy new electric equipment but we had I think it was 11 businesses that came in and got their license. And then what we were trying to do to encourage it was we posted those businesses on our website so that residents could know that they were calling a business that had been licensed with their electric equipment So we went through that program and then we, that was the first couple of months and then we started to issue citations for people that were still using gas at that point.
We were citing the landscaping businesses that were using gas equipment but because of COVID we gave warnings to the homeowner like the homeowners that were still using gas equipment With the idea being that the landscaping companies use the equipment a lot more and it was more impactful, whereas somebody at their property you know maybe mows the lawn once every couple of weeks so we gave them the warnings and asked them to get their electric equipment as soon as possible.
And we created flyers they gave information to do that and so With that said, at this point we have issued 62 citations for gas landscaping equipment. Those are almost all to landscaping businesses. The vast majority of those 56 of those were people who got one citation and then six of those citations were to repeat offenders so there are two people who got three citations And so we looked at those citations to see if we thought it was working.
The challenge with something like this is somebody could always pull their gas mower out as we're speaking, somewhere in town right now somebody could pull a gas mower out and somebody can see that and feel like the city's not enforcing it. It's just the nature of the beast but we have noticed through our code enforcement and our staff We are getting fewer and fewer calls about gas landscaping equipment. When we're on our drives through town, every employee who goes on inspections, we've asked to keep an eye out for gas landscaping equipment. And when we first did that, every time somebody went out for an inspection they were seeing it. And now it's maybe once a week that they see that.
And like I said, there was only two people that had more than one citation. So if we do believe Properly enforcing this prohibition has made an impact. That doesn't mean you know I think when we had talked six months ago, we said maybe. We would want to make some tweaks or you know at this point, maybe we would want to start enforcing against the groups that we were just giving warnings to before so it doesn't mean that we can't or shouldn't do that but I guess the report back is that we have issued 60 citations we do think it's working we think it's made an impact And the biggest weakness that we have observed is that on those two repeat offenders who have the three citations, they stand out as they haven't paid any of their citations either.
And so for us, that started a conversation of there are some people who are just figuring out that if you get the citation and there's no follow up on that citation, that they can ignore it and it goes away And so we are recommending as the last step to make this effective. Entering into an agreement with a company that does collections for cities Where when there is a citation, we send them the citation information and they just have an automatic consistent process where they send out a notice at 30 days that it's due. 60 days that it's past due 90 days that it's passed you and then they elevate from their potentially putting putting a are taking it To their franchise tax boards processing, which would mean eventually it could come out of somebody's you know tax return for example so.
For us the big thing was we felt that the collections process isn't working the current process right now at the city that's been in process for years is. You know, there's one staff person where they were supposed to be following up on it. And over the years that position became vacant for quite a while and then it wasn't really being followed up on other than when we started doing this, we made a point to have a staff person try to follow up on it but it just is very time consuming.
Collections agreement or proposals. And the one we recommend is Data Ticket Inc, who works with several cities in California and works with the firm that we use to do code compliance services. They essentially have a minimum fee it's $200 a month but each collection that they do that applies towards this $200 minimum fee so the reality is for us we probably will Not go above that $200 minimum, and it will probably be we estimate that it will be 2400 dollars a year which is far less than the staff time we use to try to enforce these things or to try to collect right now. So it would free up staff time, it would be a consistent process that would follow up on these consistently so we're recommending that change although council can talk about other potential changes that's one And the other benefit of it is they do other types of collections as well, such as for the big one right now that we have is for short term rentals.
We enforce that aggressively and we have probably I looked at this number a couple weeks ago, I think it's about $4500 in citations outstanding and 2500 of those are to repeat offender same situation You know, we think has made the choice that they aren't going to pay it and. And are just expecting that the city won't follow up on it, but having the collections process will not only like the goal of it is not to. You know, not necessarily to collect The goal of it is to make sure that the code is being followed and the short term rentals is a good example of that where you know the action we're trying to accomplish with this person is to get them to take their ads down and you know if we keep sending citations and there's no There's no collection on it, it's probably not going to happen.
So we've had good success with both this and that short-term rental program but kind of pushing them over the line and getting the last couple of repeat offenders I think the collections process will help do that so with that we're recommending that but like I said either the gas landscaping prohibition could be discussed or that collections process if there's any questions on either of those
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Susan, you have a question? Yes. What is the fine again for first offense? First offense is $50. Okay now Have you, what happens if you would, I'm just thinking. If you send a very official looking letter saying this amount is due or collection agency blah, blah, blah, this is the penalty. Or you can apply this to purchasing an electric leaf blower. The fines can apply and then we, if you show that you pay, that you've purchased, then we will waive the fine
Yeah, so we haven't we haven't put that in our letters. I had sensed from Council that the last discussion that there would be some openness to that if somebody came and said I'm sorry and here's my electric piece of equipment, but we haven t had it happen yet. It s something we could put in the letter if Council Choose as we could say, you know either $50 or show proof of purchasing electric equipment. That is something we can
do. And the ones that are I'm a little bit confused some owe 100 or 150?
Yes so the people that have three citations owe 150. Okay
and what's the average cost again of the electric leaf blower?
Well so I think we have put together some estimates. It depends on if it's a home grade or commercial grade. Home grade you can get one for, I think 50 bucks at this point but the commercial grade ones are probably closer to three to four hundred dollars.
Okay so that would help it to pay and is that initially I'm just thinking of the ones that aren't deliberately offending. There's even if it's just one or two that are out there for who this is a genuine hardship and our rental, you know initially before COVID we were going to have this program where they could borrow one or there was something I mean, you know who there was whatever happened to that nothing?
COVID, we had started to work on it. The reality was like literally handing people tools and then handing it to the next person just became undoable during COVID. It really was just the COVID impacts so that's something you know we could look back at again but that was why we didn't do it the first year
Yeah, I mean, I think this is money well spent to have a collection agency especially going after the STRs. But if we sign up with them then there's no mercy right? They just do it across the board, no consideration for individual circumstances or how does that work?
So That is the kind of the nice thing about the collections agency, as it is just a standard consistent process. But if somebody did call us and they had a very good explanation and you know we've had this, we have the only collections process we have right now is for parking tickets And we just had somebody a month ago, as an example, who came and they parked. And they thought the sign was for this area but it was really for this area. And they said I'm sorry and I'll never do it again. You know? And so we still are able to consider those factors.
It's going to be... They'll have to reach out to us to do it but we still have that ability. We could tell the collections company you know this was issued in air or you know the person bought electric. Okay,
so you can convey to the electorate if the council majority decides to go with this. You can convey to the collection company if there's some unusual hardship situation that
Yes,
we're going to work with the person because I just hate the idea of as much as I'm for this. I'm 100 percent for it. But I don't want it to be a difference between some family eating or not, you know, some something, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. We could we could specify certain hardship situations to at least to at least notify us and let us decide if we're going to pursue it.
One key to remember is that the collection agency simply collects the citations issued by the city The city remains in control of the issuance of the citations and their continued validity.
Yeah, and now what about is the responsibility at all with the homeowner or the business owner for continuing not to it's always on the actual worker?
So we cite the worker or the business currently but right now we do not cite the homeowner for it Business
owner like Wells Fargo.
Oh no, so when I say business owner I mean like the landscaping company?
Oh the landscaping
company! Yeah but we haven't cited the businesses although i won't use any business names there was one business that we had called three times and we did tell them finally we will cite you if it happens again and it hasn't so we have done that but we haven't actually cited one yet
Okay, so you can address the issue that way.
I think for the homeowners based on the last discussion and Council's direction is we aren't pursuing that but that's something that if Council directs we could do.
Oh, I bring a paper of council directing that we address like for example
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Can
we finish the, we need to finish the questions then get started.
I was wondering if this is a group discussion.
Any other questions, Bill you have a question?
James, I'll just state my couple of questions real quick. Does the existing code allow And I think it does from my memory is that you're understanding a listing existing code allows penalty fees for late payment to be determined administratively and included in the implementation of this contract. That's number one, because I think the code says we're supposed to charge extra collection fees for late payments.
And second, this is generalizable to any code violation Is my second question, but collections process. Yes. And and number three with this include in the case of short term rentals somebody that's just you know refusing to pay or comply up to including possible assessing liens on properties.
So i'm a number one yes we can recover well i'll let the City Attorney correct me or, you know, put it in better wording but yes we can recover more than just the $50 citation.
And it doesn't require
a council action for you to administratively do that? No I think that's just standard in the code but city
attorney...
That's what I believe.
Section 1-2.05 allows for the city to collect the costs of its collections That's what I
thought,
that's what I remember. And the subset there is a precise citation is 1-2.05 sub A5. The other thing to bear in mind is yes we can use liens. I believe this collections company, I'm not sure if their business model includes liens but certainly with the right kind of a case perhaps more than a $50 fine you could look at Imposing liens through the same section 1-2.05. Yeah, I'm
thinking of like a short term rental just frequent flyer but that gets into tens of thousands of dollars that kind of thing.
The other one that staff is always keeps an eye on as you know from a couple of cases in the recent past when we have a short term rental case that has an egregious nature we've looked we've evaluated options beyond mere fine collection including Civil and criminal cases. And we've even brought criminal cases in slumlord type situations in the past, and remain vigilant for that situation, recognizing the significant differences between small scale problems and large scale problems.
Thank you. I'll just add quickly. So on this particular contract, I met with them a couple of weeks back. Collect our to they don't, they will not place the lean on like the like on our property. Their method is the franchise tax board of putting the lien against your tax return but then we talked about if we needed to pursue that then once it got to that point then it would come back to us and we could place fully which you know which we've only had to do once in my time here at the city and we've had You know, for the public benefit we've had some short term rentals where we collected I think 6500 was one and 4500 was the other where it was almost at that property lien level but we ended up through the hearing process and everything settling the matter at that point.
And, and this contract does include you know the hearing process and everything as well so I expect that this will handle 99% of enforcement issues.
Thank you any public comment on this item gail. No public comment Okay, thank you Randy.
So my concern was the same as Bill's. It was how do we, uh, how do we collect the charges that are going to be incurred by the company chasing a citation?
Yeah.
So it sounds like that we can recover that.
If I can interrupt, I apologize. I actually was looking at number three. There are public comments for this one. I apologize council member Haney for interrupting you.
That's fine. I think I'd rather hear the public comments and then I'd like to speak after.
Okay. Shall I go ahead, Mayor Sticks? Yes please. Thank you Gail. Our first public speaker is Bill Miley. Mr. Miley you should be able to speak now. Go ahead and unmute yourself.
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I strongly supported the ban. I liked your proposal by the Newport Beach Company. I liked the way James set it out, it's straightforward, it's complete and I read where only 38 of the citations have been paid on 62 is that right?
Correct yes
Okay, so having a company involved to make this happen for all of them is really good idea. Especially if they can do other like short term. So my statement is more complete enforcement of issue fines will make those who pay feel better about the situation and no one is getting away with the violations. And that would be better feelings for all. And the last thought I had was, and this would make it fair for everybody.
So I like this proposal a lot. Thanks.
Thank you Mr. Miley. Yeah thank you Bill.
Next Gail we have one more? We have one more it's Cherianne Cate. Cherianne you should be able to speak go ahead and unmute yourself Sherry Ann, if you're there you can go ahead and speak.
Okay can you hear me now? Yes yes
thank you. Thank you so yes the sky is cleaner the air is better in terms of uh you know pollution because of this ordinance and thank you very much we're real happy with it We're still seeing some regular violators. However, what's happening is that they come at various odd times and what I'm suggesting is that there needs to be a bit of a change in the process when a citizen like myself calls in with a violation What happens every time for me, and I have talked to other people who have said that it's their experience as well is there's a recording. A person doesn't answer the phone and so you leave a recording of the place of the violation and the date in the time. And then there's this would you like a call back? Yes, I would like to hear back about this.
I leave my phone number and what happens is, I get a call back days later. And it is yes we'll go out and talk to these people. We need to know what day of the week they're there and what time they're there and then we will come out. The problem is that there's a number of them that randomly come out to do this. There's not a specific date of the week or a specific time that they're there.
So, there's a number of them that are falling out through the cracks and are not being cited and continue to violate. So I would like to suggest that somehow that procedure that the code enforcement officer is using be improved so that we can catch those people too because They're continuing to violate and it would be nice if we had complete compliance. So anyway, that's my comment and thank you again for the good work that you're doing.
Thank you. We'll actually have an item probably on one of the upcoming agendas about some code enforcement applications so we will talk about that.
But thank you for calling in sharing Okay, moving towards discussion. Yes, Randy?
So I find this conversation interesting. If I remember, Sousa back in 1999 was just adamantly geared up to burn and put people who use blowers on the cross. And it's so interesting that here she is today begging for forgiveness. And I was just the opposite. I was trying to figure out how to find a compromise and ultimately turned to we've got to do what's in the best interest of the community.
So having said that, I think there's two thoughts here. One if we can't hold the gardener accountable maybe we need to hold the person who hires the gardener accountable and maybe we've been going about this the wrong way. You know, I'll use me for instance, we had a gardener and when this ordinance went through, I had to go out and buy an electric blower for him to use on my property Because he clearly stated he couldn't afford it, one. And two, he didn't think it was right.
Ultimately, he quit. Okay? That's just business. And ultimately we hired a company that when they show up, they have two or three of the steel blowers and that's all they use are battery operated. You know, just through its own self-policing it is going to remove certain gardeners from the system and bring other gardeners into the system. So I see the win there but I was accountable for not breaking the code and yet we have citizens in our community who are not accountable.
And that's what i'm trying to say here is maybe we need to address accountability And then the other thing is when it comes to citation, that's one issue for using improper equipment. How many citations have we issued for unlicensed business operations in our community? Because that to me is a bigger concern. Is though Mrs. Sherry and Kate who just called Made a good point, I know pretty much my gardener comes every Thursday and So if gardeners aren't showing up on a consistent basis is maybe they are gaming the system. That's one thought, the other one is just the nature of gardening in general as some jobs take longer than others. Some days are longer than others so I probably have a better understanding to this business than most but having said that we're talking about accountability here.
So we've got to figure out how to make these individuals accountable, one to their community and two to themselves. Again there's companies out there that are offering these equipment at a great rate and offering low interest and zero When you fill out an application, your credit isn't going to be checked and all this. They're pretty much opening their arms and saying please come buy your equipment from us. We'll give you a great rate and let you on a payment plan.
And the equipment rental places all have electric rentals now. And I'm in all of them in Ventura. They all carry them. They're all rentable. So I just think that we're making excuses once again. We're kicking this can down the road rather than trying to figure out how to make it, if you're gonna write an ordinance, enforce it. If you're not going to enforce it, I say we get rid of it.
Just get rid of it and let's let people do what they wanna do because that's the environment we're creating. That's truly the environment we're creating. And we've done this in so many other aspects of our community, you know, the arguments that we had over fences and hedges. You know what? If we'd had code enforcement 15 years ago and actually had people meet the requirement of our codes, we would have never had to have this willy nilly fencing and living fence and all this other stuff that we've created over the years. We need to figure this out. We either are or we aren't.
And I think that's where we are. So I don't see a gray here. I see we either do it or we ban it and we just go back to the way it was.
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Susan, I just in case there's some misunderstanding. I'm 100 percent in favor of people being accountable and enforcing the ordinance only was suggesting finding a way to help people comply with the ordinance. And I like the idea, Randy, that you stated about also making the homeowner responsible You know, maybe I don't. There has to be some way for everyone to be accountable and comply.
I'm all in favor of that. And I've been at this far longer than 1999. I've been trying to ban the gas powered leaf blowers since they were invented. I have editorials to prove it. So yeah.
Randy? So getting back to this again, if you look at the fact that a gardener shows up on a premise to perform a maintenance task and we can't catch him. Then we need to notify the owner that their gardeners is not in compliance and that would they please interact?
Yes
there's lots of ways of doing this without it being mean-spirited or nasty. We're just letting them know that we're trying to create an environment that's conducive for all beings in our community to live well, even the people performing the task. It's just been proven. We know it now. So I'm just... You want to affect change? Go to someone's pocketbook Okay you're going to affect change real quick.
Bill?
So I'm gonna go ahead and offer a motion with the comment that encourage personally, I hope the rest of council joins with me in encouraging escalating late fees and owner notifications when required Are useful. And with that, make a motion to authorize the city manager to enter into this agreement.
I'll second that but can we still ask questions?
I'm just getting it on the table.
OK, so I'm seconding that. And then can I ask a question, James? So if Sherry Ann when she calls in gives the address of where she sees the violation and if she knows the person's name, then code enforcement instead of wondering when these people are going to show up again can go to the business or the homeowner and state that their worker is not in compliance
And
handle it that way.
Yes, yes and well yeah I was gonna say we've been giving notice we've been giving warnings in those situations we take the flyer out but city attorney is probably going to comment on whether we can actually issue that citation. One
key thing to bear in mind is that the city because citations in the end might need to be might end up challenged in a court we can't issue a citation just on this statement of any given complaining person As you can obviously imagine what that would mean in context other than citations for leaf blowers, it has to be verified by the city as having happened. But the complaint that comes in of course generates the opportunity for staff to go to the homeowner, to the resident, to the business and say we've received a complaint that your landscaping crew is not using the right equipment. Here's our information. Here's our flyer. We'll be watching.
And then invite a conversation. The homeowner either says, oh I didn't know, I'll get it fixed if they've been under a rock for the last two years or they'll say no, I don't think this is right and be defined and then we'll put them on the list and code enforcement can follow up with that. Or something in the middle and it can be treated appropriately but just to clarify, we can issue citations on hearsay alone?
I understand because I've complained a lot about what I consider animal abuse. Same situation, no hearsay. All
right we can have a vote. Gail please.
Roll-call vote Passed 3–0 · 1 under review
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Great. All right, thanks once again James and it's great we're not kicking the can down the road right? Let's enforce it. And collect our costs. Yes. Betsy
can I request a five-minute break?
Yeah let's
do that. We have two or three long items ahead.
Okay let's take a five minute break y'all. Thanks Gail.
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Anytime you're ready, Mayor Stix.
Okay great all right we're back. All right moving forward to number five the safe speed limits James you want to take it away?
Yeah and I just have a quick report on this so the items on the agenda It was on at the request from Mayor Sticks and Council Member Francina. We had discussed modifying the speed limit on March 12, 2019 so almost two years ago and uh at that time the City Council directed staff to identify areas within the city of Ohio in which speed limits could be reduced without endangering federal funding for street maintenance In the report, we included a lot of the information from that discussion. But we also included an attachment that showed which streets we have that are at which speed limits and then which streets we have that could potentially receive federal funding.
And so there's a lot of information. I think it's a seven or eight page report. So there's a lot to it, I guess we can start with just discussion but. We had some potential recommendations that i'll call out or I guess options that i'll call out that we can talk about which is. There's options such as adding additional signage two streets stop signs speed limit signs you know other ideas like those.
The city could perform a traffic survey to try to support lowering the speed limits, which does have some cost. I think we estimated about $20,000 and that's the reason you would do this study. The traffic survey would be to lower the speed limit and be able to justify it and enforce the speed limit. If we lowered the speed limit without that traffic survey, It likely would not be enforceable for speeding violations so that's why we recommended the traffic survey.
And we also noted that To follow up on that report from a couple years ago, when we said that federal funding could potentially be at risk. We looked closer at that and found that we have not received much funding recently about $250,000 in 2016 but no funding since and then no funding for the few years prior so it was a lot of big chunk one year but There is discussion right now about potentially the federal government following COVID doing a bunch of infrastructure projects and infrastructure funding, which could potentially be some funding for some of these streets that would be at risk. But it hasn't been identified yet. So we just wanted to mention that when we talk about potentially risking some funding that it appears to be There's some risk but not maybe as large of a risk as people might have expected.
The other option we had identified was, we've obtained a couple of the radar speed trailers and signs and those could be placed throughout the streets as well. We tried to give like a variety of options that we could utilize from this discussion and those are all listed in the potential recommendations The discussion for council is, you know whether to consider modifying speed limits or any of those types of changes. So with that we can answer any questions.
Questions?
Bill? What is the current and I believe this is not an advocacy don't read too much into this but I am curious What is the current state of the law in California regarding speed ticket machines? The things where if you speed beyond a certain thing, your picture's taken and have your license and you get a ticket in the mail. What is the status of that legally in the State of California?
I'll let the city attorney respond to this. I
had to respond to that one at present today Automatic speed ticket cameras are
outlawed.
In this state, other states not so much. However there are two bills in the legislature that are pending on this issue and if you'll give me a second I will click up the bill numbers. So we've got two bills one is AB 550 That would authorize automated speed cameras to be used for quote dangerous local streets, not yet a defined term and active state or local work zones that construction zones. There's a second bill that's pending SB 375 that would authorize automated cameras in school zones the designated school zones that we're familiar with.
As AB 550 is carried by Assemblymember Chiu out of San Francisco And SB 375 is carried by Senator Rubio from down here. And both those bills are moving forward. There's some pretty good headwinds behind them. This effort was tried a couple of years ago, about two years ago to lift that ban and that failed in result of opposition by a medley of pro-traffic folk and some on the law enforcement side who were concerned about shifting, taking away their role.
Those headwinds may or may not be the same now. So there is legislation development on that front and the last point to note for both of those is that if either one are both passed and was signed by the governor then they would allow civil citations but not criminal reckless driving felony or misdemeanor Criminal cases, it would be the, it'd be a ticket.
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Andy, you put your mic up? You're muted Randy. Thanks.
Muted.
So Matt, this is the same in the line of the question. Is there a radius for lowered speed limits near schools right now? So is it 500 feet? Is it 1000 feet? Is it 500 yards? What is there a radius that if we wanted to enact a 20 mile or speed limit around our public schools could we do that in the city?
Yes, it is 500 feet around schools. The city could set a 15 or 20 mile per hour limit in those areas if the council found that doing so would be necessary for that to be reasonable, that lower speed to be reasonably safe. The relevant vehicle code section does require as part of that evidence an engineering or traffic survey but it doesn't require that that be the only evidence. The council is allowed to take into account additional situations and I'll note as well just to finish the point That authorization also extends to residential or business districts.
Again, upon finding that the default 25 mile per hour speed limit is higher than is reasonable or safe.
So 500 feet is technically like I live by Topatope Elementary and so does the mayor. So we're looking at roughly our houses are 80 by 80 here. You know, you're talking roughly four or five houses. That's not an entire street so it's difficult. One of our concerns is Drown Avenue but Drown Avenue is probably half a mile from Topatopa. So that was one thing the next question is on James and this is for you.
Probably have the answer, but have we done any trip counts on any of our major arteries here in town? So Montgomery, Grand, Signal. Is any of that data available to us or would that come from the study?
You know, we have done some trip counts on some streets. We could provide that data to City Council. I don't know which street's exactly offhand but we have done some trip counts and we've moved the box around a little bit so we can provide what trip count data we have. But yes, it also would be part of that survey.
That seems to be one of the criterias of being able to lower your speed limit and then the second thing is the crash counts in our community you present us with a graph on the back which shows I believe 10 accidents most of them occurring in the downtown area I'm not sure if we have all the information regarding crashes in the community, because some people are involved in accidents and don't have a police officer come to the scene.
And they deal with it through their insurance companies. So I'm not sure if this count is accurate or true reflection. So I don't know how we can get more accurate on that without contacting insurance agencies. And I'm not sure if insurance agencies want to divulge that information. So again, I think that's going to help us make determinations as to how and if we can lower like right now I believe we are in our residential areas at 25 miles an hour so I'm not sure how we could reduce it legally. That's where I'm coming from with this.
Any other questions? I have a lot of questions, but they're related to the things that I want to propose. So perhaps are there public comments? Maybe I'll wait.
Okay
Gail any public comments on this item? Yes we have two public commenters on this item. Thank you Okay, the first public commenter is Adam Keir. Adam you can go ahead and speak um go ahead and unmute yourself.
Oh yes uh thank you good evening Mayor Sticks and members of the council my name is Adam Kear and my partner and I own the property at 925 Cuyama And I wrote to you last summer, following the tragic death of Marianne Wheel who was struck and killed on Kuyama. Expressing my concerns about traffic safety on Cuyama Particularly because of the dangerous mix of car traffic, traffic that is using the Cuyama and the streets through the Arbolada as a shortcut mixed with pedestrian and cyclist traffic in that same area.
I won't belabor or I won't go over what I sent to you in my letter but I wanted to point out issues. I think we all know that people are using Cuyama through the Arbolada as a shortcut for car traffic, but i don't think that we recognize how concentrated pedestrian cyclist traffic is on that street as well and so I submitted, I hope you have this in front of you some exhibits for this evening one From Strava, which is an application is a app for amateur athletes to you know record their training rides their event rides and they have a heat map that shows the activity of cyclists.
Runners and I'm showing that to you, that demonstrates that whole section of through the Arbolada is white hot and as concentrated with pedestrian cyclists as the Ohio Valley Trail. And we know that's being mixed with vehicle traffic using Cuyama as a shortcut. The second exhibit that I included is just showing an alternative to lowering the Enforceable speed limit. And this is number the second photo that I've included, it's just a photo from Glendale showing how you can add speed humps and add a cautionary 15 mile per hour Speed limit, which is not enforceable but may have some effect in slowing traffic because again on Kuyama people are racing through as if they're entering onto a freeway. And finally the third photo that I've included is just showing it this is a photo from LA Showing a another example that is short of lowering the enforceable speed limit just making the streets, a shared slow street in which case.
You know, posting that no through traffic and that the pedestrians, bicyclists are all on the street. We all have to share this together. This is similar to the living street or Wooner concept in Europe that we all have to make our respect and slow down so that we don't aren't running one another over. And with that, I would be happy to answer any questions otherwise those are my comments.
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I have your exhibits in front of me, Adam. And I am very familiar with these concepts. In fact, my recollection is that the city signed up with Stava and this was before, I think James was our city manager. I can go back and look at that. I think I'm almost certain that we signed up. We were familiar with it. Let me know. I'd like to know what you think of my idea If I were living in the Arbolada or in any neighborhood where speeding traffic was a problem, I would organize the neighbors.
And it's my understanding that the neighborhood itself can set the speed limit if enough people agree and Given the council at least three documents verifying what I'm saying, the whole paradigm of determining speed according to crashes and accidents is now being questioned by traffic experts and engineers. In my opinion, the Arbolada should not allow all this rat running. There's Matilho High School to consider And the speed limit in the Arbolada, excuse me should be 15 not 25.
Because it's narrow streets, it's residential, it's used by cyclists and pedestrians. I know that parts of the Arbolada are not problematic but there are parts where residents have told me that when they go for a walk they're always looking over their shoulder because they're afraid of being hit. And also the whole intersection of Koyama needs to be addressed.
And I know that you also are aware of that, and I think that when we discussed this after Marion Weil passed away and I was at your house, I thought you said that there was a plan That you, that maybe you could if it's okay with the rest of the council. Wasn't there a plan to fix the intersection at Koyama at one point?
Mayor is this a Q&A or
what are we doing here? And if I could jump in real quick on a legal issue with apologies to all council members as you may or may not recall the unfortunate death of Ms. Weil is in litigation So there will be no comments by the City Council about that situation or that case.
Okay and we also have another public commenter.
Thank you so much Adam for coming, I appreciate that one more public comment then Randy?
Yeah i just wanted to be clear on the procedure here these are public comments this is not interactive debates with With the public. And as much as I appreciate Adam and all of his information that might be provided to us at a different venue.
Note taken, thank you. Thank you, Adam. One more public comment,
Gail? Yes. The next we have Bill Miley bill. You should be unmuted. Go ahead and speak if you're on mute.
Hello. Can you hear me? I think that the title of this proposal is really more important maybe in discussion of how we do it. And that's the issue of, it's a zero traffic facilities concept that is going through the nation and in California and as you all know was discussed in January 2020 study that was produced by the California State Transportation Agency, which I looked up.
I like this idea. I don't see where anybody can effectively argue against the concept and proposal for doing this because it reduces reducing speed, reduces injuries and death Not only for pedestrians, but bicyclists. People are on scooters and horses or whatever, but it also takes care of people who might be in the car that could be injured or traumatized by hitting somebody.
On Grand Avenue, this is an example. It's 30 miles an hour. Takes about two minutes if you don't stop. If you removed all the stop signs, you go from signal to gridley takes two minutes. If you reduce it to 25 miles per hour, it makes it 2 minutes and 24 seconds. So it's 24 seconds long. When you're thinking about what we're going to accomplish. So I don't see where the city has the money to implement this now, but I would like to see the City Council agree that the policy for zero traffic fatalities is worthy adopted and start to educate folks within Ojai as well as our tourists that were gonna do it over the next few years.
So that's going to also make people a lot happier. They're going to move, probably use the streets more because the traffic isn't going to be so fast and we're gonna further having Ojai seen as a gentle community not dominated by vehicles. Thanks
Thank you, Bill. Much appreciated. Right?
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Are we in council discussion now? We're in discussion. Any comments? Susan? Yeah. Well the city let's I want to be really clear on this. I want the public to hear it. I want my colleagues to hear it Our fundamental and most important responsibility is the health and safety of the public. That comes before anything else, okay? That comes before speed that comes before parking all those things were not obligated to facilitate but we are morally and legally obligated to protect the health and safety of the public. And that includes our most vulnerable citizens, well they're not legally voting citizens but that includes children. And in that respect we have failed there's just you know we have created where we're a small town there is absolutely no reason why every child should not be able To safely walk or cycle to their destination if we had the political will to create a truly bicycle and pedestrian friendly city.
And addressing the speed is fundamental because in many ways, if we simply had a 20 is plenty city wide policy there's a lot of you know, we could save a lot of money. You know, it would buy us time until we had the money to do wider sidewalks and striping the streets and all of that. So I've investigated this a lot And for example, the city of Los Angeles has a program and I know we're not Los Angeles but we can look at this as a possible program for Ojai. The citizens can apply if they want their street to have speed bumps And this is residential streets. These are streets that would already qualify, we're not talking about over 30 or 35 miles per hour. This would be 25 mile-per-hour streets where speeding such as on drown is a problem. You know, I find it very disturbing that the drown situation still has not addressed.
The children are growing up and you can't relax. I have two grandchildren and I'm on a low traffic street but I'm always worried that one of them will run out in the street. And it almost happened the other day, a car and that car was driving slowly. If that car had gone any faster as the child was gonna go around the corner to open Before the mother was running behind she could have been hit and I and I know of kids several kids that have been killed, so this is very close to me, but my question is.
Can we have a program. Where we'd have to work out the details, but is it legal since other cities are doing it where instead of spending $20,000 on an engineer study, we don't have the money. I don't feel it's necessary. I feel it's the residents themselves that can tell us exactly what's going on in their neighborhood and how they would like to see it addressed.
So my question is, could we you know, can we at least begin by envisioning such a program where you work out the details? But we have these neighborhoods drown the Arbolada Shady Lane Grand Avenue. I mean and and in a related question is, can we at this point legally change the speed limit on grand to twenty five You know, enforcement's another issue. But why do we have signs saying 30 miles per hour on Foothill Road? That speed must have been from another era when we didn't have SUVs racing up to the top.
So I thought that maybe Greg was going to show us the map and then as a council, we could decide what we want to do street by street. But anyway, that's what I have to say for right now. Thank you.
Yeah, and I could respond to the question of could we change the speed limit of Grand to 25? It is currently 30 miles per hour. And the answer to that is yes and doing it without a traffic survey means that you know if somebody bought a ticket they would likely win but we could change the speed limit of that street to 25. Well
then I would be In favor of that, even if we don't you know the point is not the tickets. The point is to send a message to slow down and not give permission to go because we all know that people usually go faster. Not all but many people go faster than the spotted posted excuse me speed limit. OK.
Maybe we can get that done tonight Any other comments? Well, what about my question of a program? Randy, you have a comment.
Thank you, Mayor. I have 10 questions that you'll have to give me at least as much time as Sousa. Here's the thoughts on this. We had this discussion and it was real clear that there's guidelines that we have to abide by. Posting a speed limit that's illegal tells the community what? That we can't abide by the laws. So if there was a way legally to lower these speed limits, I'd be behind it 100%.
Now, there's other things we can do. I drive on Poli right now as I'm doing a lot of jobs in Ventura. And on Poli, the speed limit is 25 miles an hour and they have three, I believe three signs that each post at speed limit. And if you're going over the speed limit and I'll tell you what it works. If I'm doing 27, I slow down and I'm traveling in the morning at 630 in the morning when there's no one out.
But that speed, that sign says hey you know the speed limit here is 25. So I would start from a practical point and that's installing those where necessary and where we can to enforce the speed limits that we can legally. And that's where I would see us starting. I would also believe that we could wait until the coffers are filled up and actually earmark some money out of the next CIP funding for street improvement, and actually do some studies and get a better understanding of the problems in the community I'm not against what Susan is saying that our community members don't know more than we, but the reality is for instance if you took Drown there were eight or nine people pushing that and there's probably 20 or 23 people that live on that street that had no comment.
So it's hard to recognize going about it with public input is that the win because you may Again, coming up in the CIP funding. We might be able to actually find that money because we talked about using drown as a demonstration and actually going about that. But there's other things that we could be doing. And again, that's better signage. That's better enforcement.
And more public meetings like this where we are talking about the community and about speed, and then us personally taking responsibility to drive as slow as we can. Listen I know my street is 25 I Drive 20. Let's say if you use the bathroom. But I've taken a responsibility that I'm going to follow the law, if not go slower because there's no need to speed in our community.
I get that. Regarding Cuyama, I don't think we have the right to shut Kuyama down or the Arbalada down. That's that traffic is going through there, and I think it'd be very difficult to create an environment where it was only pedestrian and bicycles when you have an artery that connects the east to the west of the community. I don't know how we could do that legally either. But so I'm for anything that we can do legally. I'm just opposed to breaking the law.
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A question. Matt. To me legal Legal and enforceable are two different things. My understanding is that it's not illegal to post a 25 mile per hour sign, it's just you know the enforceable aspect is the question. Is that correct? It's not illegal in and of itself.
The city can pose signs that show a 25 mile per hour speed limit anywhere in the city except the state highways. That would be legal Whether or not the ticket that would be issued by the Sheriff's or CHP is enforceable will depend on whether or not there is an engineering survey that supports that 25 mile per hour speed limit as justified by a speed survey.
But yes, the city can post 25 mile-per-hour speed limit signs anywhere in the city except those two state highways. The other question to answer your early question Council Member Francina and your question Council Member Haney is it would be legal to post signs lower at 15 or 20 miles per hour if, and in this case to post the sign we would need the engineering and traffic survey under vehicle code section 22358.3 as elucidated in the staff report.
And the key there is that that engineering and traffic survey takes into account among other things crash records Roadway conditions not readily apparent to the driver, density, pedestrians and bicycle safety considerations and the 85th percentile vehicle speed. That's been one of the problems that we've seen in the past is that speed begets speed. 85th percentile is a function of what people are driving now which some would claim too fast that then becomes a basis for hiring The key there is that an appropriately done traffic survey can look at those other factors.
Hence, one of the questions before the Council's whether to have that study completed? And the answer doesn't necessarily need to be given tonight. Certainly funds are in short supply so that could be deferred till later.
Sure I would support that and wait until we have money To do the research and keep this list of streets, where we know that we have issues Cuyama foothill shady lane North Fulton drown daily nor signal grand.
To list a few,
to list a few.
But in the meantime, I just want us to be clear when I lead the bike to school events where I have anywhere from 10 to 50 kids sometimes more it now takes some time at least two sheriffs one on each end to escort them safely and to me that shows a failure Not a deliberate failure. But we haven't kept up with the need. We haven't kept up the fact that we're a small town with, you know, a lot of narrow streets and traffic continues to increase. And I just feel that if we're really concerned about the health and safety of the public and especially the children, and we're serious about having safe routes to school and parks network, this has got to be addressed. It's got to go to the top of the list If we're serious about that and by addressing speed, because there are now so many studies showing that speed and safety are not compatible.
The data is there questioning the 85 percentile rule. And I hope that you We'll take time to read the articles that Bill Miley provided and I provide at least two. There are so many videos that address this old paradigm of determining speed, Ohio should be at the forefront of making our streets as child safe and friendly as possible. And when we make it child-friendly, then we've also addressed the needs of the elderly and everybody in between if it's safe for kids, it's bound to be safe for the rest of the population.
So I have more questions but I'll wait until someone else has a turn.
James you had mentioned just getting more advisory signs. You gave the example of Oxnard
Yeah, so what we've started to see is a lot of cities. I think Portland was mentioned in the report too. Cities are just putting more advisory signs reminding people to drive carefully when children are present or things like that. So there's a few things we could do in the meantime if that is something council wanted to explore. We could Do something like come back with a list of sites to add some of those signs and those signs would be about $80 apiece, you know so it's not it's not a huge budget impact.
Plus, I bet the sorry. I think if it became a budget issue, we could send letters to the neighborhood, ask if they're willing to chip in and I bet you they would be or another organization or the mob shop or some business would help fund it. I haven't asked them, but I'm just thinking ahead. Can I ask a question about the 30 mile per hour Speed that is posted just before you enter the downtown core.
The Caltrans, what is the reason for that sign? And then you have a few feet later. OK, great. The 25 mile sign through the city. Why would Caltrans have a sign like that which sends the wrong message because you're about to enter the downtown core It's just before the liquor store, I think. You know the one I mean, right?
So about where is that? That's on the west side of town coming into town? Yes. Is that what we're saying in front of Ojai Liquor?
Yeah. In that
area. Unfortunately, I think that's just their signage for the state highway and that's the challenges it's reflected on this map in a couple of places. And that's, that's one issue is the two, two of the main streets Ojai Avenue and Maricopa. We have limited control over those speed limits due to them being state highway.
But there's no reason why we couldn't ask the new head. I was on a Zoom call with him, and he is so in favor of the active transportation paradigm that they're doing where it's happening all over California. He might be very willing to consider removing that sign. There's no harm in asking.
Yeah, we could always make the request.
Yeah, just make the request because you know it's and it's if we're going to have bike lanes there I mean eventually right that's part of the ATP. Those kind of signs don't serve the purpose any purpose.
Bill? I would concur with that request of Caltrans on the Coming in, you know it goes to 25 but only after you're down the hill coming into town. It ought to be before you go down the hill. I would also in that request ask if the council feels that we should point out to Caltrans that the 45 mile an hour posted on the east side is way too soon in my opinion I believe it's before Sewell Park. It's posted 45 and to me, it makes sense to request that that 45 be not elevated past the 35 until much further east.
I make it a practice like Randy says setting an example. I don't go 45 until basically gridley and I get a lot of tailgating For doing that. In fact, once I was going 35 and a, it was a commercial vehicle was so angry that I was going 35 they did a past me on the right at Sewell Park. When people were signaling to turn right, luckily I got the phone number off of that van. I called the company and they informed me that person had had multiple complaints and they fired that person that day.
Um, but you know what I'm trying to say is that um I do think that we could it would be appropriate to ask Caltrans to like Susan said uh get down to the 25 a little faster and get above it a little slower going from west to east in my opinion. Yeah we could make those
requests that's simple enough. Randy? I would not be a fan of removing speed limit signs No, I would say not go to 45. No, i'm saying that but I thought Susan said to remove signs and I'll tell you what people need to know what the speed limit is. Oh, I agree we
can put 25 where it says 30.
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I mean, why don't we just do whatever
we want to do? But I also agree with Randy that the signaling things like what they put in Casita Springs. I think help slow people down and can see the springs where there's a positive feedback. Hey, you're going too fast and when we can afford those, it'd be nice to get some
more. It seemed like for $5,000 there are cheap date so again it's just a matter of when we can. And in the interim, we just have to... Again, we just have to make the public more aware of what we're doing. But you can't again, Susan maybe I'm disagreeing but I'm trying to disagree politely. I just think that you got to do with what you have to do within the rules because breaking the rules means you don't have rules.
So if you don'y have rules why post anything? There's nothing posted on the 33 where the ATP project is demonstrated Why wouldn't we have the speed limit on that street?
It says 35 miles per hour as far as I know.
Nope, not on the right hand side there's no sign whatsoever in fact i think we asked a grant about it and he said nope we don't have a sign. We should have a sign So,
you
know people need to know that. And so I agree we have to do everything we can when we talk about the VMU it sounds like we could in the downtown corridor it sounds like we have more opportunity to reduce the speed there am I correct Matt?
Yeah there's an opportunity with the right supporting documentation and engineering analyses okay.
So if we can all agree that safety is our number one priority And that people drive too fast in Ojai on a regular basis and we need to slow it down. So, and we have no money.
Yeah one thing we can do is you know we have budget workshops coming up in April, and so we can when we bring the CIP back I think I'm taking notes of some of the things that will try to identify as potential projects to be funded This year and then council can prioritize those.
And I agree with Randy, those flashing lights when it says you're going too fast. I mean that's the most effective. So design one that's less expensive. Randy?
You know Mayor also something that we can do we don't have to you know a traffic study is obviously important but we don't necessarily have to wait for that. We have um the tools In our public works department where we could actually be going out and measuring the streets of concern. And actually start looking at, you know first of all how many trips are on these streets? I'm not sure if we can register speed on these streets but i do know that we can register trips and it would be nice if we just started somewhere somehow and methodically work through our community and identified more of these streets that are a That parallels what Suze is trying to say, is let the community let us know also. So if there's a way that they can communicate to us that they feel their street's a hot street then we put that ahead of let's say Fulton or something of that nature but there's ways to do this where we don't have to wait till a date certain.
We can start proceeding through this and gathering information for ourselves and I think that's something that public works could do
I could see volunteers with radar guns taking counts.
And we've done that.
Do it some
more hours on it, the complete streets has done that. The radar gun still has to date data. I don't know. Ask Bob Daddy what we did. But but you know, it's time has gone by so wouldn't hurt to do it again. But James, I'm going to send you the link to the speed bump program that LA has. It's kind of interesting they determine the people requested, the city determines if they're eligible and then there's a process.
Oh cool
yeah it's
interesting.
Yeah but before we leave this item I would like to be able to go back to the drown street people and i'm sure Randy does as well what can we tell where are we because they work so hard collecting the money You know, what should we tell them?
They all got refunded.
Yes I know but the problem is exists still exists there's more kids than ever in the neighborhood I'm told it's a real family neighborhood.
Yeah we don't i mean uh the challenge is we are more broke than we were a year ago when they were going to raise the money so uh we are and we're in a tougher situation um and the funds weren't were never completely raised I think that's one that when we talked about potentially coming back with a plan for some places, we can add some signage. Drown would be on that list of somewhere that we would try to We try to propose some signage there.
So, you know that is it legal to do oversize speed limit signs. Those are what we were kind of thinking about and you know people Some cities have gotten creative and added you know signs that say like remember please drive carefully or like we were talking about the collection how they have The ones that say stop and smell the ocean, and we were talking about having stop and smell the citrus instead or something like that. The other thing is public works
could sometimes do a better job in making sure that vegetation is cut back away from stop signs and speed limit signs.
Yeah.
I don't know if we ever do any citywide surveys but there are some places where The stop signs and the speed limit signs are being shrouded by overgrown vegetation.
Yeah, we'll start with that. We'll do a street sign kind of review and come back with some recommendations on some signage that can be added.
You know how we were just awarded our Street Tree America? I sure hope we're not shooting for Street Signage America. You know, we've got to be thoughtful here And we've got to be careful that every time I turn a corner, I don't see another sign polluting the community. So let's think through this and if we're going to do it, let's do it properly. Let's do it. Let's do the due diligence. Let us identify the specific streets in the specific areas.
Let us work with Caltrans. Let s work with law enforcement. But but let's not Let's not turn our community into a complete sign community.
No, on the other hand you know we've had some deaths here. My friend Marion for example and we need signs there now as we just heard from Adam and I lived in that neighborhood for years and it's treacherous especially with children to walk around those windy streets
Actually, I don't drive the Arbolada for simple reasons. The lanes are too narrow and I'm not comfortable driving through there. I very seldom go through there. And now I can't drive down the 33 because I'm completely disgusted with what's going on there so I really have a difficult time getting through this community half the time. Well maybe
you should try to get rid of your car Randy and start
walking! I work for a living. I don' know about you retired folks but
I'm still working. Any other comments? Yes. So while we're on the topic, I don't want to lose the opportunity since Grand is such a critical route to Topatopa. You know, it's the central west all those side streets. Most of those kids are going to be on Grand when Topatopa resumes. Can we as a council agree to at least explore Replacing those signs, we're not adding signs. We're replacing the 30 miles to 25 miles per hour with the understanding that we've discussed. But it is legal.
It's legal to do so even if it's not enforceable. And also helps with tailgating because if the sign says the lower speed then the people behind you hopefully are not so apt to tailgate Hopefully.
Well, if we're voting on that I couldn't support that again. I'd like to see us wait do the proper traffic study come back with the CIP funding and figure out what we're going to do and go about this in a more methodical and thoughtful manner again as soon as I'm not disagreeing that it shouldn't occur. I'm just trying to say I'm not interested. I personally not interested in putting ourselves in lawsuits.
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Is may I ask a question of the city attorney, is there any possibility of a lawsuit changing grant to 25 miles per hour.
It is difficult to predict whether or not someone may sue us.
Anybody can sue but would it hold up.
We would be likely able to defend the imposition of a 25 mile per hour speed limit Defending any given ticket issued by the sheriff's would depend on the facts of that ticket. It is worth noting that the defense of a ticket issued by the sheriff falls to the county council or district attorney, not the city. I trust that answers your question.
Yes, well my I just feel that I feel so strongly having led the bike trains for years now and just seeing sometimes how the people's attitude like you know they'll yell at us. Sometimes some some people think it's great but some people will say get those kids off the street it's dangerous which is the most backward paradigm and since our first responsibility is health and safety That we, in addition to all the things that James is going to bring back for consideration that we include changing the speed limit on Grand Avenue which is a residential street.
It's also what you call an arterial street. Is that why it's, you know, it's both? But I think given that it's a part of a route to school, Sarzotti Park, I think there's ample justification safety rationale for changing the speed limit to 25 miles per hour. That's my motion. Then you say Gail, can you take a roll call Well, I
mean, I'm all for slowing everything down. I'm also for keeping it legal. So I'd like a suggestion from staff at this point in terms of keeping it legal, slowing it down and also keeping in mind our budget crisis. What's the most logical step forward Because we're all in agreement that we have some safety issues that we need to look into.
Yeah, one thought... One option we have would be putting out either the radar feedback sign or the traffic monitoring sign that we have I think we have one available, we could put it on grand you know for the next couple months and see what impact that has. And then when we come back to talk budget then we can talk about if we need to or are ready to go any further than that but driver feedback signs that's what that's what I was trying to think of the name. We just moved the one we have two we moved one to Aliso and one to South Montgomery so we could put one on on Grand and see how that you know how that works.
I'm not understanding if the speed limit on Grand is 30, why would that gadget change it to anything lower?
Yeah. So it wouldn't change the speed limit. It would just give people feedback when they're speeding. That's really it. Well,
I'm going to cut to the chase. OK. I've been working on this since 1996 when I was first elected. I couldn't get a majority council vote for bike lanes. That street can easily be restriped. There could be bike lanes, okay? But if as a council we take seriously the safety of children, you can't have both speed and parking on both sides. Something's got to give. And in my opinion, it's easier to change the speed limit. I mean, we should in my opinion, we should change the speed limit and restripe the street. But, you know, the restriping is more a complicated process than the twenty five mile per hour.
And so I'm in.
We have a motion and we don't have a second, what do we want to
do? I thought Matt made it clear that it was legal and Mayor Sticks was asking if it was legal or do we need more information? So
if I could jump in on that one, I understood the motion was made to take the action now to reduce the speed limit on Grand Avenue from 30 miles per hour to 25 miles per hour That motion did not get a second. Therefore, that motion dies. The council may consider other options. I understood the mayor's question to be to the city manager to provide other options. City Manager has provided another option for the council to further consider.
One other if I could be so bold, the council might also direct this staff to evaluate as part of the budget recommendations to return in the coming budget workshops, I believe in April The direction could include an ask of staff to see if there is room in the CIP budget, that is the capital improvements budget for the necessary speed survey to evaluate these questions. That would be a reasonable compromise.
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That's more systemic and you know it will take us to where we want to go Do you agree with that?
I don't necessarily agree
with
it.
What?
I don't necessarily agree with that because they might base their speed limit on the 85% that there haven't been accidents And that's kind of old thinking. I don't know what they're going to base changing the speed limit on, I don't know if those criteria are actually valid for protecting the health and safety of the kids and other people that use that route for bicycling. Bill?
I'd like to move acceptance of the city manager's recommendation as one concrete step And I would second that, Mayor. Okay.
All
right. Shall we have a vote? Yeah, please.
Council Member Weirich?
Yes.
Mayor Sticks? Yes. Council Member Francina?
Okay, great. And then we can continue to look at these in the coming budget meeting?
Yes, traffic calming measures in our budget process.
Absolutely. Make it a systemic and get
community... We will do that. Thank you.
All right. Well, thank you. Thank you all. Thank you. All right. Number six City Hall campus report. Take it away James.
Yeah so This item is on as a request from two council members. It's a fairly simple item, it was the question was how and are you know for information on how and when the garden well the name somehow keeps getting longer the Community Garden Council Ad Hoc Subcommittee was formed And so the report includes some snippets of the minutes from the meetings back in 2019. In particular, one of the budget meetings on June 25th 2019 where the City Council moved to create an ad hoc committee that determined how to best use the area of the city hall property designated as a community garden with a time certain deadline To report back to Council and then it has some additional minutes where at different points.
Council Member Haney and Council Member Blatz were identified as being on that committee, and so That information is provided to respond to the original request to review the committee and then I guess the issue before council is If there's any other items that need to be reviewed or discussed. So with that, I can answer any questions if there are any.
I
have a suggestion but not a question.
Okay. Any questions? So if I understand correctly We have heads, what do you call it? We have a committee of two council members for every individual component or almost every individual component of what we are now calling the City Hall Campus Park. Is that correct?
So there is... I glossed over one point. There's a climate park I'm sorry, the Middle Seward Creek Council subcommittee which we've started to shorten that name to the Climate Park Subcommittee. And so there is that committee and there's the Community Garden Committee and then there was a Pickleball Court Ad Hoc Committee but that has been disbanded. So those were the three.
So my way of thinking, a campus committee
Are we into deliberation now or just questions?
This is a question. Any
public comment,
Gail? Yes, we have one public commenter. Karen Quimby. Thank you. Would you like me to bring her in?
Wonderful. Thank you.
Karen, you should be able to speak. You can go ahead and unmute your microphone.
Hi, can you hear me?
Yes, thank you.
Hi my name is Karen Quimby I was born and raised in live in the city of Ojai. My family owns the apartment buildings located at 408 South Ventura Street directly across from the pickleball courts on the city campus. I'm speaking on this agenda item tonight on behalf of our tenants who live in those apartments And other neighbors affected by the noise from the pickleball courts.
Let me say at the outset that i'm a fan of pickleball it's a great sport, especially for older adults and I played myself these comments have nothing to do with the pickleball as a sport. However, I have a number of questions that I was hoping that your campus report would have addressed. The Ojai City Council and city manager been continually contacted by neighbors who are suffering daily hourly hardship from the extreme noise the pickleball players produce with their plastic balls and wooden paddles.
It continues to baffle, and frankly anger us that the pickleball players are granted the right to play at this site knowing how deeply the noise affects the neighbors in their homes especially when there are good viable options to accommodate the pickleball players at more appropriate locations such as Matilla High Middle School and Soule Park. The city has promised to try to mitigate the noise from the pickleball play You have installed fabric at the south side of the court, which ended. And my question is which independent agency has tested the current noise barrier to determine if it's working to relieve the noise pollution for the neighbors?
If no independent testing has been completed. My question is why is the city planning on moving forward with installing additional material that may or may not work? I understand the city may install material, that same fabric at a three foot height on the Ventura Street side of the courts. There are two story apartments on that side. How will a three feet barrier reduce the noise to the second floor of these residences?
Currently your neighbors are trapped in their homes with windows and doors closed to try to survive the noise from the courts as they have been all year Being homebound because of COVID while the pickleball play continues. We urge you to immediately halt the play until successful noise mitigation efforts are completed and tested. Or at the very least, to immediately limit the times of play to the hours of the workday from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m.. This will allow the neighbors to be able to open their windows and enjoy the backyards or balconies in early evening hours as the weather warms up. Under no circumstance should you extend the playing times into the morning or evening hours. We do not understand how you could have allowed the play to continue for over a year before you've adequately resolved the noise issue.
This is not the way to treat your neighbors, we implore you to treat your neighbors as you yourselves would wish to be treated. Thank you for your service to our city and for your time. Thank you Karen
thanks for coming. Okay discussion Bill then Randy?
Yeah, I want to make a suggestion because. I think we have a focusing on the issue at hand, the agenda item, which is that the coordination matter. We have a person that. Is already designated to be a point coordinator answering to the city manager on the climate park matter And I think this particular person, I took the liberty of asking her if she would be willing to have some sort of a structured additional responsibility without pay. She's not being paid now.
And and I don't know if I can name a person or I just have to talk about a possibility of a person. Mr. Summers will have to correct me on that one. And I know this person would be I have a lot of confidence that, or I think a lot of us do. And I think it might make sense for us to take a step towards asking the city manager to consider working with the person that's currently designated to coordinate the climate park activities into the overall campus activities at this time.
So that's my suggestion.
And to answer your question Mayor President Weirich because there's not a city employee you could name a name
Okay, well the person I think we ought to consider for that expanded tasks and she's willing to do it and has a good track record already is this Tara
Saylor. Randy and then Susan?
Yeah, I'm a fan of Tara but Pre COVID we were actually in, I think council was actually in discussion about creating a position that is actually going to do that site management. We don't have money for it now. And so I'd be more inclined to leave what we're doing as-is until again, we come out of COVID And that we get our funding sources and that we open up the interview process.
I don't necessarily want to give one person a leg up in the interview process for that position, because it would be a highly coveted position to be the liaison to all of the users of that facility and the future direction of that facility. So that's my take on that bill. I think Sarah is a great individual But right now what we have is working, so I don't necessarily think that we need to change. I'd like to wait and actually get a permanent employee to do that.
That's my take.
Susan? I think Tara is very competent but I think before we give her additional responsibility, I would like to know exactly what the responsibility is of each individual A component of the City Hall campus and who is responsible for that component so that we don't pass it on onto James. And my understanding is that she would not, she would be a volunteer coordinator Bill? Is that what you're saying?
Yes, she'd be willing to do that. And I want to point out, Susan, that none of us on council have any administrative authority. So all we all we are now is advisory to the city manager or to whoever the city manager delegates administrative authority to. So these these these are simply advisory to the city manager and the idea I had is maybe consolidate a little bit, not necessarily do away with what's existing, but Just have a little bit more of a consolidated coordination since she's willing to do it on a volunteer basis.
Yeah, I would agree with that too and so people know where to go because I'm getting a lot of questions and
point person
people don't really understand who's in charge. So it seems to make more sense to have one committee because the three of you can't talk about it anyway right
Well, I just have one sort of coordination person to help us. Help me understand
what that person would do. They'd receive a question and then take it to James? That's my idea. Do
they have no authority? Only the authority that would be delegated by the city manager but not as an employee. It's pretty much just a point person to take feedback and to convey our city policies
And we have so many people who would love to get their hands dirty at this point. And, you know, as things start opening up, it's a great opportunity to do something outside when it's still safe and Taro would be more than happy to coordinate all the different groups.
And I'm thinking she's already kind of doing that with the climate park.
Yeah.
And if we were to try because it's not like Matthew said, it is not an employment situation Anyway, just a thought.
Okay. Susan? Could we do this with if Mayor Sticks is willing could we do this with the stipulation that she works with Mayor Sticks would that be acceptable or if she needs help You know,
we already have two people to two Councilman assigned to that facility. So why would they not? Why would she not come to us?
Well I'm not talking about somebody...I feel like with all the things that's happening You know, including the Memorial Park is all kinds of things are going to go. It's becoming more increasingly vibrant and busy. It just seems like someone needs an overview and someone she may not be free to meet with a potential but if somebody wants to come at three o'clock on Friday afternoon, if she's busy.
Can she call on one of the council members?
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She can call on the two council members that have the assignment. She can call anybody. Get to the point, don't beat around the bush.
Okay I just thought Randy that at the last meeting or whenever we discussed this you said that James can handle the volunteers or something to that. I want to make sure that there's someone that can meet with the volunteers And orient them to the whole scope of the campus and find out what they want to do and get them going on a regular basis.
I'm suggesting that Tara could fulfill that role working with the city manager and the existing committee structure.
Okay, so all I would do to clarify that is how do you do that on a part-time basis or a volunteer? It's a full time position That's what I'm saying. I'm just
that's why I'm
suggesting right now at that facility, if someone has a concern it's going to be the three or four groups that are already assigned that already have some form of a contract with the city. Now if anyone would like to participate with any one of those groups, they can technically go right to that head of that person and say we'd like to be a part of Memorial Garden. Can we volunteer with what you're doing? We'd like to do with the organic waste. Can we do something with you?
If they want to do something on the Stewart Canyon, they could go to Terra right now and do the same thing. So it helped me to understand what we're creating that isn't already in place
An expansion of the memorandum of understanding that we have with the Climate Park to include TARA to handle some of these other information functions.
And Mike and Randy, are you and Ryan committed to working with the volunteers? And TARA specifically?
Well I told you my feelings about TARA. I know her personally. I think she's a lovely woman. I've no problem working with her.
You'd said in the past that you didn't want to coordinate volunteers.
I didn't say that.
So are your, you're happy to coordinate the volunteers?
I have no problem doing what I'm doing right now and I don't think Ryan does either.
Um, so we can channel and funnel all those questions to you and then, and Tara can coordinate
if that's what we're doing. I have no problem with that. Tara can get ahold of Ryan and me. I'm just lost here, you guys on what we're trying to do here. We seem to be walking in a circle versus being a little more specific. If we want to change the makeup of the ad hoc committee someone say that okay?
Well, I think I'm being very specific about what I'm suggesting with Tara just to provide a coordination liaison to the city manager with existing committee structure and that's what I'm suggesting.
Yeah. And the, and the only reason we're talking about this is because there was a general lack of clarity and people didn't know what's going on now.
Let's see what I find interesting about that statement is did they ask the city manager?
Yes. Yes.
And the city manager couldn't explain to them what was going on. We've
done. There was some research and it's still, I would say inconclusive and yet Let's let's move on and let's get some things going. Let's get some volunteers working. And we have this incredible person who's ready to jump in there, so let's do it. What do you say?
Yeah, I'm going to make I'm going to go ahead and make a motion that we ask the city manager to explore a memorandum of understanding with our sailor for coordination of activities and information dispersal with the community campus Garden campus. That's my motion, it'll be done through the city manager MOU.
Okay I'll second that oh yeah
okay well why don't we amend it bill and just say let's also abandon let's let's remove Ryan and I from that committee um and then Sarah can run the whole show
No, it's not really. How is Sarah
going
to interact with Ryan
and me?
All right. My opinion was that she was going to... I know her. She'd be more than happy to talk with you and ask your opinion and your advice and convey information to you. More than happy.
Yeah, I spoke with her also. She's really excited about it.
I think she looks forward to working with you, Randy, and Ryan as well. So, Susan, did
you speak with her also?
No. I mean, I know her well, I've known her since she was a baby and that's when she was like
I talked to her because of the climate. I'm on the Climate Park Group, so I called her with respect to expanding the climate park function why I called it. You know, I'm not going to accept
your amendment. I don't want to get into that you have to worry about my memory My concern
is she's an applicant for a future position with the city And it just concerns me that it's going to take that pool of applicants, where people are going to think well they already have someone. They've already hired her. That's my concern with that so I'm just voicing it. Okay.
You may not be concerned about any volunteer you know a lot of people volunteer and then they train and then they get the position that's not uncommon but that's not what we're doing but that's not uncommon it's not illegal it's normal part of life
That's my motion. It is not amended.
Are we ready for a vote?
Roll-call vote Passed 3–0 motion. It is not amended. Are we ready for a vote? · 1 under review
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All right, great. All right. Home run tonight.
Clarity.
Thank you. Yeah. Moving forward with clarity. Thank you all. OK, so move on to the council member reports. Anybody have anything, Bill?
OK, really quick one. It was nip and tuck, but the modified conditional use permit for the tall landfill got approved unanimously by the Board of Supervisors A superior environmental alternative to going to waste management and a superior set of incentives for maximizing the use over time. You know, in terms of filling to a level rather than to a set date so it was very good for the environmental health of the overall especially West County to have a publicly accountable landfill continue to be viable. Number two, OBGMA is going to be having an agenda item this week on evaluating the CDFW in-stream flow recommendations and considering what kind of public comment the agency might want to give to CDFW Whether they're properly defining the unimpaired condition scientifically or not of this watershed, Ventura River Water District is also looking at doing that.
And I wanted to say, Bessie, I'm looking forward to talking with you about something with the Community Energy Alliance. I don't know if I got the words right on that or not. Because I've been looking at moving in terms of grid backup batteries, moving to liquid metal batteries as opposed to lithium-ion banks which are much more sustainably able to be sustainably produced and recycled over time.
And there are pilot projects coming across the The transom and different parts of the world on that. And I just, I'm looking forward to talking about that and maybe suggesting they look into some ways of circumventing with grid backup some of the environmental problems with the lithium ion technology. So
great. Can't wait. Thank you. Anybody else? I have a couple of things. I went to the city selection committee meeting and it was really wonderful to hear all the nominees for the California Coastal Commission, just super inspiring committed environmentalists. And Brian Brennan was there and he gave a really interesting speech, spoke really eloquently about the need for skilled listeners and ex parte communicators. And so all these really talented women too are being You know, they're being sent up to the governor on their application. So that's exciting.
I joined the family fund board of the school board. We had our first meeting and that's really exciting. They do so much for our community. So I'll report on that later. Last night was the Ojai Unified panel a place at the table in honor of Women's History Month A really wonderful event, well attended. Very interesting. Disaster Council is tomorrow and we're going to talk about a rundo and fire hardening homes and disaster preparedness so that's exciting. And goats! Yes absolutely there was on Saturday there was a solidarity vigil against anti-Asian hate and racism In Libbey Park, and I attended that organized by Francesca Lise and Chiani Dree and Reverend Dr. Greg Kimura from St Andrews was there spoke very eloquently really moving event so thank you all.
And then next meeting we're going to have a presentation from Help of Ojai A Year in COVID Review so that will be really wonderful to hear about all the All the work they've done. And then next month we'll have year in review from Tiffany about what's happened in the schools and last year, which is so important and great. Oh, so open, open. Yes. Open, please.
Coming. It's coming. You know, it's a lose-lose situation. So really got to. The kids
need in person.
Yeah. So that's all I have. James City Manager report.
Yeah, a couple quick things. People probably don't realize this because the city left the Tree City USA sign up for 12 years even though we weren't a Tree City USA embarrassingly but uh we are proud to announce that we are officially again at Tree City USA and We have scheduled an event on Thursday, April 22nd at 11 a.m., that will be at Libbey Park and we'll post some information on the website but it's gonna be a celebratory COVID safe event where we're gonna plant a tree and unveil the Tree City USA sign. And so that is a big one that we're proud of and that's coming on April 22nd And then I was going to mention Disaster Council. Thank you Mayor Sticks for mentioning that the link to watch that or participate in that is on our city calendar, it's open to the public and will be tomorrow.
And then for the next council meeting, I just wanted to mention we have a couple of PB, Harmon Zuckerman. PB, Harmon Zuckerman. what we're calling alternative housing options, which are the ADU discussions we've had recently on the programs like LA has where they have the plans that you can get through the city. So those types of things and then also to bring back the tiny homes term sheet for lack of a better word. And so that's going to be probably the main item on the agenda but we're also gonna bring back The goal setting to kind of keep working through those goals as well. So between those two items, that'll probably be the bulk of the time for the meeting on the 13th. Bill? I
have a question
for
the manager,
Mayor.
James, what's our current...I have two questions. Well, I have future agenda but I have question on this. What is our current timetable for completion of the Picklegall mitigation project, mitigation project. It is expected to be complete the first week of April. First week of April? The wall and the three foot on the Ventura Avenue. Okay. And then we're going to be taking noise measurements after completion.
Okay? Yes. All right. And then what is our current status of getting the Topatopa concrete work doing. That's at Navajo City's job to do.
Yeah, current status is we are trying to rush the permit so we have submitted it to Caltrans and we requested that they rush in as a minor modification to the permit that they already issued and due to... We cited the fact that it is a highly trafficked area and an area of particular concern for Safety, so we're trying to get Caltrans to push it.
And you know what I almost wonder if we should consider the legal basis for after asked forgiveness as we move close to orange tier. We really want to get that done before orange tear.
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You know the risk, the reason why I haven't done that is the risk would be you know potentially they find a problem and they make us tear something out. And so that you know that's the risk we could we could try it you know at some
point. I mean we're just we're just putting making things flat inside the existing curb line. Mm hmm. I just really worried about we get into well into orange tears is going to be harder and harder to get this done. Yeah
yeah I think what we, what I talked recently with public works about doing was. is just starting to putting out the request for bids based on the design and not waiting for the permit. So I think that's something
yeah that would be helpful and also because you want to try to lock in, i can tell you from experience recent experience there's a concrete shortage out there oh yeah and you want to try to lock in a date as soon as you can yeah even if you have a small penalty on it. I don't know if Randy's been having this experience but Okay, that's it. Thank
you. Susan? Yeah James we're going to get you the Earth Friendly Pest Management Plan by the end of the month I'm told from Kathy and Patty Pagel and they're just going through it one more time, and then you can decide which meeting is best. It could be it'd just be nice to do it in April. You know, but it could be the second meeting sounds like. And then I feel confident once we can if we can get through the housing in April bill turned in the term sheet for the animal ordinance about a year ago. I'm pretty confident I can have that My end of it, ready for May. I've just done a lot of studying and I've had a lot of experience over the year this past year with animals and I really want it to be a great draft so but I'll bring in...I'll do my term sheet
Yeah, I think we actually have that penciled in for me because we also were trying to City Attorney and I found a couple of outdated pieces of language that we need to update too.
Okay yeah and then I really want that to be a very public meeting so people with animals can you know weigh in. You know, I think it's going to be a process. It's not going to take some time to get it right.
Yeah.
Worth doing
right. I see the animals are speaking of the animals are converging
on that.
I should get all my three pugs in here at the next
meeting.
Are we on future agenda items
by the way? We're still there. Do you have something else Bill?
Yes, on the urban forestry resolution update you know we're years behind. I would hope that we could get to it pretty soon and then I have a There's a question, I don't know if this is proper or not. Matthew you're gonna have to tell me. I have a volunteer that wants to help that has experience in this years of experience of this in a previous life with Keep America Beautiful and it's my wife.
Can she
contribute to this review? Let's take a close careful look at that one there are a variety complexities that arise when I told her, I would bring
it up as an open session because. But yeah she she hasn't you know decided to ask
yet generally a volunteer generic open volunteer opportunity with can include any spouse of a council member. But the city cannot enter into individual contracts.
No, no, no, no contract she just wanted to ask if she could read in and submit her thoughts because he actually spent a couple of decades doing this kind of thing.
Yeah submitting comments on a public draft will be fine. That would definitely be fine. All right. Thank you. And can we get to it pretty soon.
James I mean, I asked for status on that today Thank let me see if I have it. Yeah, well I won't hold the meeting up but yeah well I'll stress that it's a priority
and we said we were going to do this uh what a year and a half ago? Yep yep okay good.
And then James the electric vehicles for the post office and the electrification of city vehicles when would be a good time for that?
Yes so I think at this point um we had We had a request from two council members to bring that back. So I have it penciled in for April 13th, so.
Great, thank you. All right and it's not even 10 o'clock y'all. Way
to go! Thank you everyone. Good night Randy, Phil, Betsy.
Thank you all. Good night Randy.