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Thank you, James.
I hit record.
Thank you. All right. Call to order we have a quorum for City Council meeting April 13th 2021 Gail would you please do the roll call?
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Thank you, Bill. So we'd like to dedicate this meeting to our former mayor Paul Blatz such an important member of our council in our community who donates so much of his time and his life to the betterment of Ojai and he will be Missed by all of us. So, would anyone any council member or like to make a comment this point before moment of silence. James Matt.
I see, I see hands.
Bill, then Randy.
Um, I it's hard for me not get emotional talking about Paul because He just had a way of always staying very well-centered, whether you agree with him or not. He had a great sense of balance and humor and a way of treating people with respect. And I mean he could get frustrated like anybody else but I really viewed him as a mentor when I first was thinking of getting involved with city government back in the days when I started out being involved With as Ryan knows with the flow, tried to help as I could. I wasn't primary but tried to help with the flow efforts and then the building appeals board. And I would really depend upon Paul for advice and again a sense of giving me a sense of balance and what a great sense of humor. I gotta believe I'm gonna miss him.
You know, I could say the same things. First of all he's just a thoughtful man and caring and you know he was our family's personal attorney and recently Ryan has helped us with some personal issues so the Blatts family has been our attorneys for I don't know how many years. And so from the wisdom and the guidance that I received from Paul Me on a Sunday morning frantically driving to his house because I had some major concern that he just elevated it to, are you really concerned about that?
He could just make you feel good about who you were. He made you feel confident. He never wore his attorney hat into a council meeting You just always knew that he was, he was representing the community and and representing himself. He was just a dear friend and just a good man.
Thank you Randy. Susan? I definitely echo what Council Member Haney said and Mayor Pro Tem Weirich. Paul was also my family's lawyer, coincidentally, and I remember how he became my parents' 50th Wedding anniversary and so I saw him in a different light, you know, in a social setting. And again when I close my eyes and I see him, I always see him smiling and he had a perspective that allowed for humor in a situation which is so important You know, keeping the peace when we don't agree on everything. And then as soon as the meetings are over no matter what transpired when I would step outside it was like we were just two human beings there were never any grudges you know it was really wonderful working with them and I miss him I really do yeah.
Thank you Susan. Matt?
Yeah, I'll echo all the comments. When I first started serving as Ohio City Attorney six years ago, Paul was a mentor on the council and he was a great perspective on really what made Ojai great. I think of him as a great champion for the community, its residences, businesses and he always fought for what he felt was right but found a reasonable path forward to do so mindful of the fact that we're all living together in a community and need to continue forward as one He was just a great person to work with and we'll all miss him.
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If I can just add, I always think of Paul as like the first Ojai celebrity I ever met. I used to see his shopping carts every week at Vaughan's and then I met him in person it was like hey you're the guy from the shopping carts! And he thought that was weird the first couple times we talked but it's like I always got a kick out of seeing them around town Unfortunately, we didn't get to work together very long.
Although he left us with another solid council member here but when I did work with him he was very consistent. He was always easy to work with and you can always kind of count on him so that's what I remember about him.
Thank you all. Well, let's take a moment.
Sorry Ryan. I just want to say thank you to everybody for your really nice comments. I know he instilled in me a need for not only He's instilled in me a desire for giving back to your community and I take it really seriously. And it's been a lot of, it's been a really tough couple of weeks but I appreciate so much how much he did for this town and he did it knowing that as only some of us in here would understand that it's not a really great gig all the time It's kind of a thankless job. A lot of the time it's really tough, but there's a personal responsibility that certain people have they feel to need to give back to their community by offering themselves up subject to the scrutiny and all the other things that happen, but also to really try and make your community better.
And if the right people don't take on that responsibility even in the face of the parts that aren't always the best, we don't have as good a community as we do. And it is not only myself and my father, but multi-generations of Blatts' back to New Jersey and New York State who have been mayors and town council people and other elected officials on all kinds of different levels.
My dad even when back in I wanna say like 99 when I was still in high school, when Sousa Beat him badly in a race. He was so excited to be able to get onto the planning commission and still be a part of our local government, and I had the real pleasure coming back after college and getting to run this campaign. And it was really cool. The favorite picture I have of us, and I've had it next to my bed for For I don't know how long now, is getting to when I was sworn in on council and it was the day he left. It's one of the really special moments and I just can't believe, I never would have imagined that before my term was over that he wouldn't be here and I will never be as good a council member, ever again because I will not be able to seek his advice and talk to him anymore and he was really.
It meant a lot to me to be able to pick up the phone and have somebody could trust and had all that experience and who could you know talk about things and bounce them off of and understand Ojai politics and I can tell In the last couple weeks of his life, one of the topics that would always get him fired up because even when he wasn't doing well was if I started bringing up local Ojai political anything.
He couldn't help but want to be involved and want to offer us two cents and You know, he really truly enjoyed it and not for any of the egotistical part because he really appreciated an opportunity to feel like he made a difference. And you know I obviously is not here to see it but the outpouring as I mentioned in our earlier but you know that the county supervisors dedicated their meeting today to him A number of the county supervisors commented who've known him for a long time.
It was really nice and really sweet, and he's gonna be gone too soon forever but I think we'll all collectively do our best to carry on his legacy and I just really appreciate all the kind words so thank you.
Thank you. We appreciate you so much Ryan. You will shine for your dad yeah i'm sure you will
And I, and I really appreciate to that we're going to be able to have a service at Libby Bowl. And it is all of you know but probably it's gonna be three o'clock on Friday, the 16th so this Friday at 3pm at Libbey Bowl, and, you know, One thing in Ojai, as council members know is that most of our accomplishments are keeping things from happening more than they are necessarily doing new things. But the Libby Bowl was a real pride and joy of his.
I've had a number of conversations before he passed since then with people who worked with him like Mike Donahue who helped you know was working with the bowl with him and all these other people meetings where we were getting pledges and everything. So it's just really, I just want to thank the city as well for being able to create that opportunity because I think, well, I know he didn't know what would happen.
And he'd be really, really proud and happy that it was going to be at a city facility. In fact, the facility is in our city logo And that's something that he worked really, really hard on because he knew that there wasn't a lot of opportunity to build and do new things in Ojai. But getting the bowl renovated and having a really great local place for our public and for entertainment in a beautiful park was a really big deal. So I just want to thank the council and city for that as
well. Ryan? Well, let's all take a moment of silence here together in memory of Paul Blatt's local icon and let's continue to learn from him as a model citizen. Thank you all.
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All right, moving on approval of the agenda
motion.
Second. No second. All right, Gail may we please have a roll call
Thank you Gail. All right moving on to presentations James Arbor Day proclamation. Thank you
yeah I have here with me and We are going to be presenting this publicly on April 22nd, and I'll get to that in a minute. But I have here with me a proclamation signed by Mayor Sticks here proclaiming April 30th Arbor Day. We're celebrating National Arbor Day this year because California Arbor day occurred during one of the lockdown periods and we weren't able to celebrate that.
So April 30 is Arbor Day, and we are holding in recognition of that on April 22 a tree planting ceremony at Libbey Park. And we are going to be planting a tree in recognition of the city of Ojai being declared a 2020 Tree City USA Which most people, when I tell them that say well we're always we've always been a tree city USA because the speed are the population sign city limit sign says where a tree city but the.
Unfortunately, we had not been a tree city since 2009 officially and so last year or probably about 18 months ago the City Council had indicated you know one of our goals was to become a Tree City USA again to recognize the importance of trees in our community. And so we have, we have done that. We were officially recognized as a 2020 Tree City. We are going to hold the tree planting event on Thursday April 22 at 11am It will start with a Chumash blessing by Julie Tumamite Stensley.
And then we will have the entire city council will be invited to plant a tree, it will be outdoors and masks will be required but we're going to have this tree planting ceremony. So with that, we had a proclamation. We'll read through it. I'll read it quickly. We're going to present it more formally at that event, but as it states, whereas April 30th of each year is Arbor Day celebrated statewide and nationally to encourage Americans to maintain and replenish our country's vast forests, orchards, and woodlands.
And whereas trees enhance water resources by reducing surface runoff contributing the stormwater management. And whereas trees help improve air quality by removing airborne particulates from the air we breathe And trees provide essential habitat for wildlife. The City of Ojai celebrates Arbor Day 2021 by holding a tree planting ceremony on April 22, 2021 and to celebrate being named a Tree City USA for the first time since 2009.
And so with that again we will present this formally and we'll plant our tree on April 22 at Libbey Park at 11am Thank you, everyone for doing that. So thank you.
Can
I ask a question? Is the proclamation for us, the city or is it for an organization?
It's proclaiming Arbor Day within the City of Ojai.
Oh just a proclamation, okay. Thank you.
And we're doing, so we're proclaiming Arbor Day in the city of Ojai and then we're planting our tree and celebrating Tree City USA on April 22nd.
Okay
thank you James that's so exciting got to take care of our trees gotta love them. All right next we have a presentation from Help of Ojai about the year in COVID-19 and I just want to say big Thank you to Terry Wolf and Health of Ojai for taking care of our community for so long, particularly during this difficult time. So thank you. Thanks for coming, Terry.
Thanks. I don't know why I'm not on video but let me... There we go. So I'm going to share my screen now just so that Have this be a little more organized for me anyway. So good evening and so Mayor Sticks, thank you so much for inviting me to present our COVID-19 related programs and emergency efforts I want to thank all of you also and Council Members James and all the other attendees.
You know we couldn't do this work without all of you so we appreciate you You know, our emergency efforts for the city and valley really began with actually our Thomas fire relief efforts. We prior to Thomas fire we really hadn't performed in an emergency capacity but during the Thomas fire literally hundreds of thousands of dollars poured into help of Ojai and we needed to serve that community with those funds so really from the very first day of the Thomas fire We learned to be fast, flexible and really creative. And so that actually served us really well as it came to the COVID-19 relief efforts. So when the stay at home order was announced on March 19th our phones began just ringing off the hook.
People didn't know what to do they didn't know where they were gonna get food. So we served in the very initial capacity It was just serving as an information hub and that started actually on March 20. And so I'm just going to now go through what we've done since then, and continue to do now. So this would be helpful if I could get my oh there we go. So the first thing we were doing was serving as a general information center on COVID-19.
Really all we found, and we found the same thing during the Thomas fire was much of the information was coming electronically either through Facebook or Twitter or emails, text messages everything and a lot of our community is not proficient, nor do they have the technology to be able to gather that information. So as they found during Thomas and then did again during COVID, they called us and we answered the phone. And so we've tried to give as much information as we could. And really what we were doing is just basically translating what we were seeing electronically and trying to get them to understand what was going on via actually phones. So we were giving information at the local county and state resource level We then also were beginning to and now continue to give testing and vaccine site information.
So we continue to perform as an information hub. Also during that time, I'm going to give you the statistics now so this isn't just anecdotal. We gave 758 rides to grocery stores, 901 rides to doctor's appointments Because people wouldn't leave their homes, we picked up and delivered prescriptions to people's homes for them. We immediately started a program that we called Neighbor-to-Mate Neighbor which was connecting elderly homebound folks that again really didn't have technology information sources and we connected 52 community members to 60 seniors And they stayed connected for an average of six months. Our request was that they called them once a week or once every couple of days just to check in, and so that was a really helpful program for a number of people.
For information, they started running errands for one another for them, and then also just help alleviate the isolation. The major thing that we found we needed to do immediately was to address food insecurity. So our senior nutrition program, we continued that which is the VC AAA program and to date now we've delivered a little over 48,000 meals to 242 seniors in the valley.
Currently we have 132 seniors still continuing to receive meals The other thing that we did is we delivered food boxes. So in the first period, we delivered 840 food boxes. We started off with
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non-perishables out of our own food pantry and then we began purchasing perishable and non-perishable items so that people could have something other than just canned goods. Once they started going, we went with a partnership with Vesta Food Boxes And Barryman, which the county supported. But through all this what we found and it's the same thing that we found through our Thomas Fire efforts is that we started things and I'm not... I don't wanna make this sound like I'm complimenting us. It's just really the reaction of being fast. We started delivering food literally the second day of the stay at home order. And it really takes other agencies, whether they're government or non-government. It just takes them a little bit longer to react and so that's what we have found is most helpful in these situations is to be really fast and start to address needs immediately.
After still focusing on food after the first six weeks of the pandemic and stay at home order The state started a Great Plates Delivered program. I heard about this just listening to the governor on one of his press conferences, I called the county and said can we start this? They said it's gonna take us awhile you just do whatever you wanna do and we'll catch up.
And so we started this program at the end of April. This is really a cornerstone program not only for the seniors of the valley and but also for the restaurants. And so the goals of the program were to support local independently owned restaurants and to help seniors stay at home. So today, um, we've delivered a $3 million to local restaurants. Um, it's allowed the roast restaurants to stay in business, have income keep their staff paid.
Currently we have eight restaurants still participating and um, They receive about $200,000 a month still currently and right now. Of the program 11 of the restaurants were within the city limits. In the first six weeks, the way this program ran is we actually delivered three meals a day seven days a week, and that was all employees have help of oh hi. After that, we just said this is not sustainable.
So we started delivering for two to three days at a time, two meals a day and currently there are still over 200 seniors on this program. We anticipate the program, we know it will go until May 7th. We anticipate it may go until June 15th when the state Supposed to reopen and so that means that this program will have actually gone on for over 14 months. Originally, it was supposed to be a one month program housing support we have provided 21 rental assistance grants to prevent eviction for low income Ojai Valley residents and that's $54,000 over the last 12 months.
In Project Roomkey, which is when we took the most vulnerable homeless residents of Ojai and helped them get space and locate into the hotels in Ventura and Oxnard. And kept in touch with them delivered food to them and just kept them in a safe place for themselves. So, and then once we transitioned out of that, we went into what we call operation inoculation.
And right now I'm sure you have no, and if not James will probably update you on this 21,000 doses have been administered Valley wide. Ohio is the second highest per capita area zip code in the county for vaccination rates. And that's been a really great effort, not only by the city but by the hospital, by the school district, by help of Ojai. There's been a lot of partners in that.
We did a coordinated outreach effort with the Ojai Valley Community Hospital and also with Dr. Levin. And we outreached primarily to agricultural workers in the valley. We signed up...we personally signed up 240 vaccine appointments And we were really proud to have a 99% show up rate for both the first and the second inoculations. We did 120 vaccine appointments for restaurant workers so that they could be inoculated, and then primarily for seniors, we did 400 vaccination appointments. And then before we had the program at Nordoff High School, we were transporting people to Oxnard and Ventura in the vans And we were doing that seven days a week so that was a, that was a big initiative it still is. It's obviously calm down with Nordoff closed will start having to transport down to Ventura and Oxnard again.
Um, So our financials we we've expended $350,000 in help funds for COVID support. $80,000 in direct business grants to those restaurants that did not participate in Great Plates. We gave them grants also. We've had three full-time equivalent Help of Ojai staff dedicated for 12 months and for the first six months of COVID we had 10 full time equivalent dedicated staff.
So, you know it's been an amazing year in a lot of ways. It's been a year of really ups and downs for all of us, all of you. We feel like we really helped to play a critical role in keeping the Ojai Valley safe and keeping businesses in business, employees employed And so we're, we just want to make sure we share with you what we've done because we've been working so hard that we kept pretty quiet about it. Cause we're really busy and we don't have time to do a lot of other things. So that's all I have. I'd love to answer any questions if anybody has any or we can always, you can always email me and we can answer questions also.
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Questions? I'll ask one real quick, Terri. Are people still able to call you to coordinate vaccine appointments?
They can. The funny thing about vaccine appointments is at the beginning we did exactly what everybody else did. We just happened to be faster and better at it, just kind of knowing the ins and outs of the system. And then we actually were given dedicated links so that we could get some of the more vulnerable people in That helped when it was Nord off when it's not Nord off we don't get dedicated links, we still also.
They can call and how we deal with that is we put them on a list as soon as we see appointments available we call them when we get them scheduled right then so we can still help it's just not in the quantities that it was previously
awesome.
Randy.
Gary, I just want to thank you for the presentation. Most of us in the community know what you do but really don't know what you do and so by sharing what you did today allows all of us to really recognize not just the general benefits that we take for granted but the hard work and dedication from you and your staff. In fact, I wish we had time for you to list all these volunteers because I know you're guiding them But they're the workers. They're the ones that are schlepping the food and doing all the interacting, and just being the great face of Ojai. So thank you. I really appreciate your efforts, and I know the community does too.
Thank you. And I do want to acknowledge we do have a number of really amazing volunteers that have helped us from early on. And i will also say that because the majority of our volunteers are seniors We didn't utilize volunteers for about the first five months, and it was only staff because we wanted those volunteers to also say stay safe and stay at home.
Thank you,
Ryan.
I want to echo a little bit of what Randy said and just say thank you, Terry. And thank you to all the really great staff and volunteers and everybody that helps make Hub of Ojai work. Hub of Ojai is an institution in Ojai. It's been here Much longer than any of us really have. And I'm always impressed and thank you, and you can see how important it is. When you look at the demographics of our community, it's a really important public service that HELP provides that is so essential to our community.
And sometimes not everybody totally understands. You know, I've made this comment a lot of times but you know one of the secrets for Ojai working so well even though it's so small is the fourth leg of the chair that holds the whole thing up is volunteerism. 501C through non-profits all these really wonderful institutional organizations that are really fantastic and help is one of those and thank you Terry thank you for coming in and giving a presentation and I think our council needs to do everything we can Thank you for all the really trying, awkward time. One tricky part about COVID is nobody was prepped and you're prepped for everything. It helps quickness as a sign of being prepared more than a lot of those other organizations are.
And it's not just COVID, it's been the fire and I mean so many different things. But thank you really thank you and I hope we can support you guys as best we can. Thanks.
Thank you so much, Terry, for coming.
It's mind blowing what you've done. Yeah, it's crazy. We think it's crazy and we are looking forward to June 15th and what our new reality is going to be. Certainly don't know that either. So we'll be fast and creative and flexible on that as well. So thanks very much. And if anybody has any other questions or anything Please feel free to contact me and I can go through anything you need.
Thank
you. Okay, thank you. Bye
bye. Moving on to public communication.
Yes, and I believe we have two on the agenda are two people signed up so I'll ask Gail to Bring them in one at a time. And just as a reminder, this is the portion of the meeting for public comment which is not on the agenda, item's not on the agenda and the City Council cannot discuss these items but they can refer those to staff so Gail can you let the first person in?
The first person we have is James Olsen. James you should be able to speak please go ahead and unmute yourself if you're muted.
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Hello, we can hear you James.
Okay, excellent. I just have a real simple comment about the bike lanes down at in front of the hospital. It's a lovely vision, I think the execution leaves a little something to be desired. I know there's been a number of accidents there. Some of them have resulted in hospitalization. I was on March 26th, another one of those accidents. And I believe so far I am the worst and I'm hoping you guys can look at something to make sure that somebody else isn't hurt worse than I am and I can hopefully be the worst thing that happens there.
Uh, I broke my right shoulder. I turned my right elbow into about a 12 piece jigsaw puzzle which the surgeons were Fortunately, able to reconstruct into something that's at least close to what it's supposed to be. I also broke my left hand on that required surgery as well this last week so it's a really unforgiving stretch of road now you are riding along somebody coming up beside you the lanes are a little bit narrow you try to give way so you got enough room for the person to pass or do other things and it takes you Within inches of these little eight inch high bumpers, I guess you'd call them. I don't know exactly how to describe them but when you hit one it's pretty disastrous and I would hope that maybe somebody at the city can maybe find a way to execute that vision in something that's a bit more forgiving to the general public so that other people aren't hurt as badly as I am or potentially worse
Okay. Thank you, James. Since the item's not on the agenda, the council can't deliberate but we will look into that issue and we'll have staff contact you as well.
Thank you, James and sorry to hear about your accident. Another comment?
The next person we have is Bill Miley. Bill, you should be able to go ahead and talk if you're muted please unmute yourself Mr. Miley, if you're there you can go ahead and speak.
I didn't know if I had a public comment but well I will say that in the New York Times just a couple of days ago there was a featured article on hiking in the northern part of Italy in what was called the Dolomite Trail and they had a picture of one of their mountains Elaborating on how beautiful it was, and instantly I thought about ours. So maybe we should promote it more than we do?
I'm not sure but anyway, you reminded me of how great we have our pink moment which continues I guess to be a draw for Oakland.
Thank you. And that's all the public comment speakers we have. Okay,
thank
you Gail.
All right moving on to the consent calendar motion to approve.
Motion to approve although I'd like to pull G and H. I'll
second. I'd like to pull E.
I would like to pull F and J
You accepting those amendments Randy? Yes, I will as noted. And I will second the amendment.
Okay so there's a to approve everything except G H E F and J could we have a vote for that Gail please?
Mayor Stix yes Council Member Haney
Yes, and Mayor good job on that. That was
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Okay all right thank you. All right so the first one that was pulled was E. Who pulled E?
The adoption of updated city council protocols and two things I'm looking at the public comments. There was a concern from Bill Miley. He wrote the comments suggesting that protocols include the option to permit public commentary. Has something changed that made him concerned? Nothing has changed as far as public comments go, right?
No, the only thing that's changed I wasn't clear on that comment either and I meant to reach out to Mr. Miley but the only thing that changes we added language saying that public comments may also be submitted in writing Um, and so there hasn't been any reduction of public comment. It's actually kind of making it clear that you can submit things in writing. So I'm not sure exactly what that refers to.
Okay um this is Gail. I am wondering if i actually Mr. Miley had a consent card in for agenda item one? Wanted to speak about and also my apologies, but I just realized that there's a another public communications comment card. If you want to go back to that after we're done with this and let that other person speak it's up to you.
Sure okay is Mr Miley there to talk about E right now?
Yeah, Mr. Miley you should be able to speak okay is this what you wanted to speak on?
The point I wanted to make was that under the public hearing section which i believe is nine it says that there will be public input but under 10 Which is discussion. It doesn't in any part of that paragraph say that their council will seek public input from those in the audience, and that's my point. Nine says yes and 10 says nothing. That's it.
Okay I I think we can add a simple sentence to that, assuming council is OK with it. But in a simple sentence that a public comment will be allowed during discussion items. We can add that to it.
And we're required by state law to provide that opportunity. So the fact that it's not stated in protocols doesn't mean it doesn't happen and there'd still be reasonable to add.
Then I had one other question. Is it true that we, I don't have a recollection of this and I couldn't find it. I didn't probably take enough time to look. Did council adopt protocols that required the city manager to put an item that's requested by two council members at the end of the agenda? I was thinking he, the city manager should have discretion depending on what it is.
You know, the nature of the comment Could dictate that it should come before the end of the meeting. Like tonight, I'm going to be requesting that the last item be second-to-last. Does it say that somewhere, James? Is there something that we need to add so if the council agrees that you have some discretion? I mean, if this is something that's a great interest to the public and there's 50 people waiting to speak then we might want to move You know, earlier on the agenda it just
depends. It's the mayor and the city manager together that put together agendas.
Yeah but so he's not there's nothing that says that it has to be at the end or is there something in here that says?
It's not on the program code. Okay go ahead. Current language does not require that the items placed by two be placed at the end. It says it's one sentence I'll read it attachment A for this item page 19 Request by council members to place an item on agenda should the mayor or two or more council members request in writing ahead of a meeting or early during the meeting that it had to be agendized. City manager will place the item on the agenda in a reasonable time frame as staff workload permits, that gives the manager discretion to choose where on the agenda the item will be placed subject to confirmation by the council
okay
all right that meets your current language
meets your goal I would say that gives some discretion, but the general practice and how we had done this is that as a standard rule if an item's requested by two, we put that at the end of the agenda after the items that have been put on by the majority of council. So it gives us, it gives discretion but that's been the standard practice and it's most likely how you know it's how I plan to proceed with them so
Okay, as long as there's this it's not written in it's there's discretion. That's all yeah thank you. Yeah
I believe um Mayor that we also have an opportunity at the beginning of our meetings to reorganize the agenda Based again on the majority of council approving it. So there's more than one way to have an item that's been agendized move to the front, to the middle or to the back. Again that's another option for all of us that we have.
Yeah, my thought was just I know that we can do that. But if they have discretion, then we might not have to rearrange things because we also have to consider the public is looking at this. I mean, the more we can make clear the order of the agenda before it's published, that was just my thinking rather than rearranging it at the beginning of the meeting just because the public It doesn't always catch that something that's later is now at the beginning. That was just my thinking. Does it make sense what I just said? Sure. You know, before it's published and we do it, we can. But of course, Council Member Haney is correct. We can still change it at the beginning of the meeting. OK, thank you. I'm ready to move on.
Can we go ahead and vote on that? Yes. On a E Gail, can we have a roll call
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Thank you Gail all right and then moving on to F I pulled F the nominations for the vacancies And James, if you want to explain a little bit of the background.
I think you can confirm this. So we did the interviews with the arts commissioners so i think the idea was to ratify those two appointments of Christine Steiner and Eric St. James Lopez but the other two we don't know that all the applications got were received by each council member who appointed. So we wanted to pull those to take another look at that and then we'll bring them back at the meeting on the 27th.
Great, thank you James. Okay next is Gee.
So what's on that one? Do I get a move approval of the Arts Commission's appointments?
Yeah.
I will make that motion.
All right thank you Bill. I'll second. Can we have a roll call please Gail?
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and thank you Christine Steiner and Eric St James Lopez uh really exciting to have you on the team all right moving on uh gee well gee Randy is that right
yeah I started with um Yeah, gee thank you Mayor. You know it was interesting when I was reviewing the packet it seemed like this section in the consent item had to be added. I mean I had you don't know how many notes I had just first of all I wanted to thank staff for the incredible job in presenting what the majority of accomplishments that have taken place in the community for the past year. So I think that's always a good thing.
Some of the questions that I had were where to place some things and maybe some things were missing. In all of the discussion on planning, I didn't see anything on energy I didn't see energy resourcing or energy efficiencies. And so, I wasn't sure when I was reviewing this if we wanted to put something about energy, about solarizing the community or the reach codes, things of that nature. I just didn't know where we were gonna put them.
So, I wasn't sure if we wanted to put them in the conservation element or in the land use element but I just didn't see anything regarding how we use how we apply energy in our community so I thought that was important. That's the first thing and then the second thing was in the housing element program six, the affordable housing development it sure seems like that we're gonna need to actually do a standalone discussion on affordable housing in this community Take this and bring it to the conversation later on goals and priorities. But it sure seems like we've had so much discussions on affordable housing in this community, we've never taken really any any strong stand or any measures to actually do something. So I'm hoping that as we look at affordable housing in this planning section, there's some things that we've done but we haven't really done a lot.
Um, and I just like to, uh, To make sure that we, when we do the goal setting that we actually bring up affordable housing as one of our priorities. And then real quick bill, I know your hands up real quick is, um, someone to comment on something you said? Okay. Go ahead. I'm looking at a couple notes here anyway. Mayor Bill would like to
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speak out. You
have a comment
Just real quickly, Randy. I just don't want us to forget that this council did very assertively enforce the City Council ordinances on mitigation with respect to the cottages and Mallory Way projects and went through that enforcement. You know, that was council that insisted on the enforcement of that aspect of the ordinances that is... You know, stop me where you need to Mr. Summers but we're in the midst of uh it is a matter of public record that we embarked on a development agreement with the intended outcome of enhancing affordable housing units beyond what it would have been there otherwise if we had not asserted enforcement of those ordinance provisions under the housing element so we
have done
something
Right, and I wouldn't disagree with that. All I'm saying is obviously it wasn't put in here because it hasn't been ratified or it hasn't been completely approved yet so I imagine that's why it's not in there but I'm just talking about affordable housing in general.
That could be the largest component of affordable housing additions that we've had in years
And I know that there's more on the... Outside of ADUs, you know. I know there's more on the horizon and again they all come together under ADU affordable housing tiny homes all the things that we're going to be talking about tonight um there's an affordable housing complex or complexity that goes along with each one of these discussions so i just i just wanted to bring that up and i think in closing i just again i i know that it was interesting at the end of every Statement circulation element, air quality element and the noise element. There was a you know that we're in the process right now of our general plan update. So again it's going to be beneficial to the community that we break each one of these components apart and actually have the opportunity to speak to each element and how they affect us and affect what we're going to be doing in the future of this community so that's all I had on The other one I wanted to pull was...
Randy,
before you go to your next one if I could jump in real quick. Yeah. Thank you on the affordable housing programs as noted by Council Member Mayer for Tim Weirich the city is working and negotiating a development agreement that would result in significant additional affordable housing but uh that is not yet approved it will be coming to the Planning Commission at a future date for public hearing and then to the City Council for further public hearings and significant public review upon completion of ongoing Negotiations. So stay tuned on that exciting project, thank
you. Can I ask do you have any idea of the date approximately when that will go before the Planning Commission?
I wouldn't want to give a wrong date so we're still working on that but it will be I would expect within the next six months. We're in the delay point right now is the environmental review which does take some time
Okay, thank you.
And I'd just
like to add that it was a citizen that first raised the concern of our ordinances not being strictly enforced with respect to mitigation so again, you know, OHA team like Mayor says Team OHA, citizens are part of governance.
So
the final thought I had on this section was the recreation element The fact that there was no, nothing stated in here for the acquisition of or special leasing of existing sites and resources for enhanced recreational opportunities. It sure seems like in our recreation element that there's an opportunity to lose, to do some agreements with the school board and to do some agreements with the County. And I was just trying to wonder how to put that in here into the recreation element when we reach that discussion level on it too.
Okay, I think that's all you have. So you're thinking like as far as building that into the upcoming general plan update? Yes. Yeah okay we'll make note of that to include that.
Okay thank you James. So moving on... Madam Mayor
we would need a motion seconding approval to receive and file report before you take next item.
All right thanks. Motion for that?
Motion to receive and
file.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 Motion to receive and file. Okay, may we have a vote Gail please?
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Thank you Gail all right moving on to H uh Randy you pulled Ojai Valley.
Oh it was um yeah you know what I'm sorry mayor for some reason i thought i um i thought i had H but it was in another section of this planning review here, the general plan annual progress report. So I will move that we pass H.
And I pulled J, the disaster council recommendations and thank you so much James for working on this so hard. Bab's done a great job. As we move forward, though, my top concern is getting the best possible fire safety program we can get. And so and getting the best level of expertise. So I'd like to make a motion to continue to examine that and see exactly what we need on that at this moving forward as we prepare for emergency.
But I add to that comment
there
about that we include in Looking at options in the future, we include the Fire Safety Council as well as BEV in that.
Absolutely yeah yeah.
We can wait until the end of the meeting or I can suggest it now but I think this is Disaster Council recommendations and discussion should come back to council as a standalone item and that we can actually direct staff Hardening up with this community and the interactions with other community members, the county, the school board and things of that nature. But I'd like to see it brought back as a standalone item.
So does Mayor Stickney amend her motion?
Yeah you want to make it a motion for that yep please yeah I will okay anyone second that? I'll second
Okay. Point of order, does that mean that we are going to be asking BAB or not being asked BAB to start thinking of sending recommendations to
us? Yes and also to examine the nature of BAB and see what we need you know what exactly... In other
words a parallel track I'm good with that
okay thank you all right vote Gail please
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Point of order Mayor did we ever pass
H? Did you call
H? Yes so it was motioned and seconded but it wasn't voted on
okay that is correct we will need to vote on H thank
Okay.
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Okay, great. Thank you very much. All right moving on to number two public hearing.
Before you do that Mayor Stix as I mentioned before we had an additional person for public communications would you like me to bring that person in now? Yes please thank you. So this is John Weir. John, you should be able to talk if you're muted please unmute yourself and you can go ahead. Mr. Weir are you there? You can go ahead and speak now. Mr Weir if you're muted you can go ahead and unmute yourself and you can go ahead and speak We can come back to him if you'd like.
Okay, thanks Gail. Well we'll move on to number two of the public hearing moratorium on new formula businesses. Take it away James please. You're on mute
James. Yeah sorry thank you. I'll have a quick introduction to this and then I think the city attorney might have some comments as well, but what's on the agenda. The item before you is The question of whether to adopt an urgency moratorium ordinance that would prohibit a permit being issued for any formula business with five or more qualifying establishments for the next 45 days. The ordinance would require a four-fifth vote of the full council.
The number five can be modified if council determines that there is a more suitable number. The current, the city's current formula business rules do not allow businesses that have more than either 10 or 11 locations. And that's the issue and that's why we're bringing this back is there is a disagreement on if it's 10 businesses or 11 currently my read of it is that it's along with 10 other establishments, which I think implies 11 but the staff reports that were that accompanied the ordinance back 10 years ago stated 10 throughout. So we think that there was an issue or some confusion and for that reason when Reviewed and we determined that there was some disagreement about how many businesses are currently allowed.
Without triggering the formula business requirements, we decided to bring it back to council to get council direction on whether to correct it or whether to clarify it and if so to what number to clarify it? One thing with these types of issues I think we got a public comment from a person Who is asking how this is, you know, an urgent matter. And the reality is if a business gets in and is able to get it under, you know, an issue where a rule It's unclear. It's a, you know permanent or long term issue. And so rather than wait and try to resolve this at some point when we get an application and deal with it then we were trying to bring it to Council proactively. So the item is before Council for Council to consider that With that, I will hand it over to Matt, the city attorney to give some more information quickly on what exactly the formula business rule is and what it means.
Thank you Mr. Vega. The City's Formula Business Ordinance which is codified at OI Municipal Code Section 10-2-1713 requires any proposed formula business to meet a couple of heightened land use permit standards. It does not prohibit all formula businesses instead It requires a qualifying formula business to get a conditional use permit approved by the Planning Commission with a couple of additional extra findings that in sum require that there be an appropriate balance of business types.
It does prohibit certain food service from the retail businesses entirely, so that would be your typical national fast-food chains and it prohibits certain formerly retail businesses within the downtown commercial general plan land use designation area If any of the following is true, the business has more than 25 linear feet of street frontage on any street or the usable area of the building is more than 2,000 square feet.
So just I note those to sort of remind the context. The form of the business ordinance requires a qualifying form of business to get planning commission approval and a heightened set of findings but it does not automatically block all form of businesses. However, it does lock those larger ones along Ojai Avenue if they need one of those two triggers. The key segment for tonight's issue is the definition of formal business as noted by Mr. Vega. Formal business is a business with 10 or more other establishments that maintains two or more of the following features. Standardized merchandise, standardized facade, standardized decor, uniform apparel, standardized signage or a standardized trademark for service markets. And the numeric question of the council is whether the council wants to adopt an urgency ordinance that requires a four-fifths vote, that would impose a moratorium on any business that meets that definition.
So two or more of those standardized features with five or more establishments including the ones in Ojai. That would buy time for the council and commission to further consider the question as to whether the trigger is rightly set at 10 or more other, meaning 11 should be set at 10 or should be set lower or higher. The policy choices are Council's. If the council adopts the ordinance as proposed it is effective for 45 days that is until May 28th 2021 unless extended. It can be extended once by the council for up to one year and ten and a half months So two years total.
And the county, if adopted staff would bring it back to the council and consider an extension for May 25th meeting. And if adopted staff would recommend that the council also refer the matter to the planning commission for further evaluation of a long-term fix to match the number that the council would want to set or recommend the planning commission go back to council with the recommendation for where to set that trigger.
The options are do nothing Allowing the current tax and its 11 qualifying businesses to control, meaning 11 within the city or outside. Adopt a proposed moratorium and adopt it at five would be the moratorium that number could itself be changed higher or lower to the moratorium. Or a hybrid option would be not adopt the moratorium but still direct the planning commission account to examine the question leaving in place 11 total, 10 or more other.
And then direct the planning commission to examine the question at a standard pace not without a moratorium in place. With that I'm available for any questions and I believe there is at least one public commenter as well. Thank you.
Bill and then Randy?
A question Mr. Summers. Is there anything that would prohibit our directing that if we pass the urgency ordinance for the pause That we could direct that it get to Planning Commission and they have a hearing before the 45 days, within the 45 days in other words?
Yes. That's very much within your power. And on the next Planning Commission meeting, that would have to be set with a 10-day notice so assuming we... Planning Commission could look at special meetings otherwise there's certainly time to get it on the May 5th Planning Commission agenda I think I have three quick
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Concerns regarding 10 versus 11 and the criteria since this ordinance was adopted? That's the first question. The second question is I'm not quite sure why this is an emergency. And then the third question is, is this more a question on the number of formula businesses 10 versus 11? Or is this about the formula or the formula how businesses are defined because there's two issues here. You know what defines what's a formula business and then how many businesses That we allow.
So again, I'm lost on that and I'm not really sure what the answer to that is. It seems to me it's versus 11 and not the criteria because I haven't heard anything on the criteria. And then to me, the most important thing is I'm not sure why this is an emergency, why we just don't handle this and if we need clarification, just turn it over to planning, let planning deal with it.
I'm lost on those if someone wants to answer that.
Yeah, as far as do we get asked about the difference between 10 and 11? The challenge with the formula businesses. I think, over the years is there's a misunderstanding from a lot of people have what is or isn't allowed we've heard everything from some people think that there's like no more than one if you have more than one you can't have a business in Ojai which It's not true and we have some businesses that have more than one in Ojai, and then the other numbers we hear a lot of 357 and nine. And so part of the part of the question for us was just as far as Seeing this discrepancy between whether it's 10 or 11 and most people have, including staff have thought it was 10. And then we found in the code that that's not clear.
So just the fact that there's all those different three, five, seven, nine, 10, 11 you know, we thought it was a good time to bring it back and- James I
guess the question is so have we had businesses apply? And we can't figure out what the criteria is for allowing them to Create a business in Ojai, is that the issue
here? It's not criteria. So we've had chain businesses come to Ojai and apply multiple times. And so it's more being ready so that if somebody comes in and applies and they ask first question is am I able to have... Can I come to Ojia? I have eight locations, I have nine locations and we want to be able to answer that clearly and definitively And so right now it is unclear, it's 10 or 11. We're not completely sure what was intended 10 years ago.
Then the next question is if it's 10 or 11 I would think that the discussion would be based on do we want 10 or 11? How did we come down to five?
Yeah, that's a fair question. I think when we were looking at this, we were looking at current businesses in Ojai and seeing that we don't have a lot of chains that even have three, four or five locations. So we intended to write this as the question of while we're clarifying it does council also want to lower that number? And so there is no business pending or request pending that would hinge on five or six locations. So that's not an issue.
All right, what I'm trying to do is just try and substantiate my belief that there isn't any emergency that this could be handled through the proper planning channels. And then my last question is it says here the potential moratorium has legislative findings That approval of any conditional use permits for formula businesses which are not authorized by this moratorium would result in threats to the public health, safety and welfare. Who makes those determinations or do we just state on a blanket, you know is there again an action that we have to take to determine that a business coming in is going to impact us and those in the public health safety and welfare?
Because again I'm not clear on that. That to me is something else that planning might want to define better as to what are those conditions.
So the proposed ordinance would adopt if adopted A blanket rule that anything with six or more, five or more would be a threat to public health and safety during this interim period. It would be up to the council whether you find that to be true. That would be the policy judgment but it would not create a one-off decision to be made for each business rather would be anything that's five or more is prohibited during the pendency of the ordinance with the safety valve of course If they can produce a showing that would be a taking, then we pick the planning commission for their review. Whether the council finds it that is of sufficient concern to qualify as a threat to public health and safety, that's the
policy choice from council. And I guess that goes back again to my perspective is, if it's not a health... If it's not a public health safety and welfare issue now because we're working between 10 and 11. How is it once we decree at five that it becomes this? So again, you guys can see where I would like to go on this. In fact, I'd like to make a motion on this when it's appropriate but maybe that's after the public comment That would be the appropriate time.
The planning commission should be looking at and taking their time to look into it properly.
I want to note, because I understand your point is we don't have any applications pending at this point. So you know, I have heard people say it's not really an emergency if there's not an application pending. The one point I would make back is An application comes in 10 days from now. We have 30 days to review it, so if an application comes in 10 days from now and the only option staff has is either to approve it or decline it under the current code, potentially a business could come in that the City Council did not intend to come in, and then that business is in.
That's really like the concern. There's not anything pending, but if something comes up you know, something could get approved that the council and the city did not intend to view.
I agree with you on that James. But there's another thing that again, there's two aspects of these businesses applying being approved in the community. One is the number 10 or 11 and then the other one comes down into the criteria I have two or more of the following features. And that's a standardized array of merchandise and standardized menu, or standardized facade, or standardized decor. I mean we have other things to hold an applicant off if we think it's a chain other than 10 or 11.
I guess again that's what i'm looking at so
Susan, you have a
question? Yes. I was not on the council in 2007 but I was very much involved with this ordinance along with Lenny Klaif and Ken Lee Neufeldt and other citizens. And I was shocked that it says, and so was Lenny, that it's 10 or possibly 11. In my mind It was four or five, all this time. And I am concerned because we do have vacancies where very desirable people do wanna move in.
I think this 45-day moratorium... Oh, I'll get into that after the public comment. But okay, my question is this. My recollection is that Carrows and Jersey Mike We're allowed to stay because they were already here. As far as I know, there is no other business there are businesses have possibly four or five in other cities. They would there's no one now that has above Four or five right to the best of staffs knowledge.
Yes, so I reached out to the Chamber of Commerce as well. So we were trying to figure out you know we don't want to do something that unintentionally impacts any businesses and we could not find any that were even five and then And to your point is, if there is a business in Ojai and they have six and we don't know they would not be impacted because they would be there already in Ojais. So this this would not impact them other than you know potentially if they wanted to add one more location that could be potentially a trigger.
Yeah and
that's captured in section 3a of the proposed moratorium that includes an exception form of the business that exists on the date of the adoption would become legal non-conforming but able to continue to exist We can't shut down businesses.
Yeah, yeah I think that's critical. Yeah okay i'll save my rest of my comments for after the public comment
any public comment Gail on this item
yes we have one public comment um it's Mr Miley again I will bring him in one moment thank you
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good evening As I remember, when the ordinance was adopted in 2007, Jersey Mikes was already here. And I think what prompted that was that Rite Aid was considering coming into town.
Yes, yes.
I just Googled to find out that in California now there's 298 Jersey Mikes minus one which I assume the pandemic did it. And in the United States, they have 1800. So I think one of the things the ordinance needs is it needs an enforcement action so that if you start with four and you end up with 298, you should be asked to leave a long time ago. Since the original reasons are still valid for having a formula ordinance It seems to me that maybe lowering it's a good idea, lowering the number.
Blenders in Santa Barbara which I don't think has more than 10 or 11 is a nice delightful business and it's liked by their community. With Ojai so unique and artesian we need to continue to provide an economic environment which supports that Reinforcing business climate, which allows creativity and avoids market competition from large serial businesses, which can be found in many other places.
They don't help establish Ojai's Shangri-La image. The new ordinance would allow a startup to replicate themselves for a small number and if they went beyond five or four I would assume they'd be asked to leave So I think it's probably a good idea to lower the number, but like Councilman Haney, I'm not sure what that might be. But I do think in these an enforcement clause that says if the number goes over whatever we establish they're gonna be asked to leave and the contract says they have to leave.
Thanks.
Thank you Mr. Miley Um, Randy
just, um, could the, uh, Matthew, can you, um, can you respond to that?
Well, I would be glad to. There would not be desired by some of the community. It would absolutely be unlawful to ask existing businesses to leave because they become in violation of our former retail business ordinance by growing elsewhere. Existing businesses cannot be shut down other than for violations of health and safety standards or other violations of lawfully applicable neutral codes, that would simply not be advised.
And Mayor one other question to James or to Matt the criteria for opening a business is an application and is there a 30 day period that we have time to review and investigate and do our homework? And if they lied on their application, then that's an issue that could be brought forward for revoking their permit to operate in our community.
Okay? With the right findings yes a permit could be revoked if we could prove that a material fact was misrepresented in the application of course permanent revocations require a hearing before the planning commissioner or city council and to answer the first question there yes typically the planning process is Applications filed, the city has 30 days to respond.
It then has up to 180 days to make the decision after the application is complete. Most applications are incomplete the first three or four rounds anyway so there's a fair amount of time built into the land use permitting process particularly for a complex business like this like the kinds of which we're discussing.
I just heard four months
okay thank you.
I just want to say, it seems kind of ironic that we're trying to do an emergency ordinance on this issue when the only two businesses that I'm aware of that were ever qualified for this are Carrows and Jersey Mike's which are both gone. They didn't make it. And we never had to do anything in fact they grew big and they did not survive in Ohio they both left.
And I never heard anybody once complain about Carrows or Jersey Mike's being here ever And I just think that this is not an emergency. This is not an ordinance that shouldn't be reviewed and debated, and I don't think there was necessarily confusion. I mean maybe it's written poorly about the 10 to 11 but that was what it was intended to do. And this city didn't even need this ordinance before it was created not that long ago to keep this town the way it's been forever. And I don' think we needed in the future.
I think it's an improper use of the emergency urgency powers. And when we talk about this, again, the two businesses that were over this for eating establishments that are gone. So I think the city took care of itself in some way too. No,
just run. I just want to add a little bit of history is my memory maybe terribly flawed was that one of the things that provoked At the time that led to this ordinance was subway. That there was a proposal to bring a subway into the RK Plaza area and that on the heart, on the heels of Jersey Mike's is what provoked the council at that time none of us were on it your father was to take that immediate action.
I think
that they still wouldn't qualify. They didn't and is not the reason they didn't qualify in qualified because the other standards that were built in, and we're talking about number. And I don't have a problem with the rest of this but again, the number has not been. The issue, the other elements of this have kept this community from having any formula businesses except Carol's which didn't there wasn't an ordinance then but I suppose at one point in our history they probably had more than 10.
If you counted Cocos, I don't know. And then Jersey Mike's which I've never heard a complaint about Jersey Mike's forever and of all things they went into an establishment that kept losing business and was empty for over and over.
I'd like to hold the floor to continue my history comments if that's alright Mayor? Sure. And Ryan also what I was on the council when there was a variance request for you know, for the what now is Westridge to allow a Trader Joe's in. And again I was on served on the council with your father with that and we voted no on that because there was you know there was a big move to bring a Trader Joe's in here that that we didn't want and so I think I you know I think that the ordinance has been very important to the essential character of our community and I think it Most people in this, most citizens I've talked to, most constituents I've talked to would concur with Sousa. They didn't know the number was this big.
So while I understand the point that perhaps it doesn't need to be handled by an urgency, I do think it needs to go to a planning commission hearing for review.
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Brian and then Susan?
I don't have a problem. I mean, I don't agree with the urgency portion of it and but I don't want to say I'm not for, let me get clear, I'm not for formula businesses in Ohio. I'm not for us changing anything that we're currently doing. I think that we could end up with situations where that 10 or more portion could end up affecting us negatively because there's plenty of businesses I believe do have potentially between five and ten Completely going to destroy the character of our community. I just don't think our community is so weak that a business with five other ones that is six, is going to be a significant detour to how we are. But I also think this is worth bringing back and talking about in a normal scheduled setting and not under an urgency situation.
You know, Trader Joe's and some of those other things again would not be allowed under. If there were only eight they wouldn't be allowed to eat either. I mean if they're only they fit into the other criteria that was built and I was well aware and of all the people in this was debated. And I thought it was I thought the idea was that 10 would be something that is a big enough number that it's not just a few businesses, but it was really the other parts of it that would be important. But really that we didn't want to as a community necessarily set that number too low because it could prevent us from having businesses that we do want later on. I don't think that just because there's eight, nine or 10 is the deciding factor on what is good or bad for this community.
I think that's one simple element and I think making it turning it into a debate about just that is not fair to the other well-written feature requirements that prevent the type of businesses we don't want. I just don't think it's always the number and we exist with a Bank of America, we exist with a Chase, we exist with Vons, we exist with many businesses that exceed a significant number more than 10 and I don't think it impacts our character negatively.
And I don't think the public would want us to get rid of all those businesses either. I think we have the right appropriate mix and I think it's done pretty well, but when we say how many the public thinks is a number our staff didn't know nobody knew and you ask the public yes most any of us but what's the setback requirement on On your driveway from the side of your neighbor's house when you have a mailbox there, that's why the code is written the way it is. Public not being certain about it I don't think is a deciding factor to what this would be but I'd hate to see a business that we do like not qualify because they're six of them and they have the same color in all six. That seems very low threshold but I prefer to debate this in a non-emergency setting.
Okay, I have a question and a point. To me this is important because there's a good possibility that we're going to have a very large building vacant in the near future. And there are a number of businesses that already are at numbers 10 or So, and I personally think those kinds of businesses are to the detriment of our unique downtown character. The more we can have locally owned unique business that's what we need to foster not people coming in that already have 10 or 11. That's already a large number. My question is, are you saying that if a business came in that already had 10 or If they grew to 100, we cannot get rid of them. That's my understanding correct Mr. Summers?
Yes that is correct and this is where if you let me take a moment to make a key point here the requirement the ordinance applies to a formula business it meets two triggers. The first trigger is the numeric trigger so 10 or more others so 11 counting the one in Ojai at issue plus the others, and meets the second trigger which is at least two of the six standardized things. So that's merchandise menu, facade, decor, apparel, signage, trademark. It has to meet both of those so the criteria alone doesn't block it nor do number alone. It has to meet both of those triggers to come under the ordinance and then if it comes under the ordinance that doesn't mean it's prohibited.
It means that it has to be approved by the Planning Commission with a higher standard of findings and two subcategories are outright prohibited. One is formerly businesses that are quick service food, and second is larger formally retail businesses that are in the downtown commercial area. So I don't want folks to think oh if it has 12 and has three of the standardized things then it's absolutely prohibited. That is not true. It's only absolutely prohibited if those two things are true. If it's also quick service food or 4,000 square feet on the downtown commercial. I make these points to note that the ordinance isn't as simple chain stores are banned.
That's the headline but that's not actually what the ordinance says. It's a bit more complex than that and then answer your question a little more directly if I may. If an ordinance does not need to trigger whether it's the uniform let's use two examples we have a business Creative retail. There's 12 of them, but including one in Ojai, but it only has standardized name. That's it. Standardized trademark. It doesn't have everything else is unique. Then they later decide to standardize their merchandise and their apparel and the other triggers. If they did that later then they would come under the ordinance because they already met the numeric trigger and they would then meet the standardized features trigger But that wouldn't mean they're prohibited in the city, because they already exist.
They would be coming as legal nonconformant. If something is legal at the time it's established, it remains legal unless it becomes a nuisance, meaning they violate other health and safety rules. So if a business is legal when it's permitted like Jersey Mike's was, there was no ordinance at the time, it remains legal non-conforming when the order is later adopted. The same would be true if something changes about the business to then click into the ordinance. It wouldn't require those heightened standards, nor would it even be prohibited if it was legal when it started and then became a national franchise.
Well, everything you've just stated makes me think that it's important to pause and reexamine this because the unique that our downtown consists of unique businesses is just critical in my way of thinking. Randy. Oh, I have a question. I just remembered my question. This may be a very naive and stupid question but i'm going to ask it the council can't simply just change the number in the current ordinance is that correct?
Changing the number in the zoning code requires going through the planning commission for review and recommendation and public hearings
yeah well I knew that I just was a wild thought okay thank you. Randy any Bill?
So I guess the first thing is, it's just a point of order. Have we closed the public comment? Cause I never heard that. I never... We're deliberating and as far as I know, the public could still weigh in.
There are no further public comments waiting.
Okay so having said that again, I personally feel that when they wrote this in 2007, they knew exactly what they were doing And they set this up in a manner that allows the community to weigh in. There's a pause button, it looks like it's anywhere from one to three or four months. I mean and we have never to date, this has never come to council or come to planning as an issue.
So I don't wanna react out of fear, I wanna react out of concern And to date, I don't have anyone coming to me and I haven't seen anyone come to council regarding this issue. So I don't have the overriding feelings that it's one of concern into even further than it's an emergency. So you can see how I'm looking at this. If we wanna send this to planning and waste a meeting on that So be it.
Um, but I don't have any sense of this being an emergency and personally, I don't have a sense in modifying or correcting something that something an ordinance set is already well-written and gives us a lot of latitude on the businesses that we would like to have in our community.
May I ask you a question? Go ahead Bill.
I'm just going to try to wind this up and Maybe it won't work. But reading the tea leaves, I'm going to ask the city attorney if it would be in order to have a motion to refer Section 10-2.1713 of the Ohio Municipal Code to the Planning Commission for review and possible recommendations within the next 60 days? Would that motion be in order?
That motion would be in order. That's always a lesser included option on a planning issue.
And
under regular order, not under urgency?
That would very much be in order. I'm going to attempt that motion. I'll second
that. Great. Gail, may we have the roll call please? I have a question of the city
attorney.
Go ahead.
Just to be clear, if someone does come in in the next month or so, the Planning Commission Cannot reject them just because they don't like them, just because they don't think it fits.
That's correct and that's never been a lawful answer we always have to make our planning decisions based on our code requirements and the people findings therein. We can never make a decision based solely whether we like something or not
yeah all right well let's just hope for the best then. All right
Gail may we have the
roll call please?
Council Member Haney.
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So I want to clarify this, we're sending this to planning for a review and my comments earlier was I think it's already well written ordinance so I'm going to vote no.
Roll-call vote Passed 3–0 · 2 under review
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And being legislative, any of us could weigh in at the Planning Commission meeting with our opinions. Is that correct Mr. Summers?
Yes that is true. The item is legislative not a particular application which means anyone in the public, anyone in the community and anyone on the council can weigh in with your opinions both at Council and at Planning Commission. Thank you.
All right, moving on to number three the COVID report. Thank you again James for all you've been doing.
And Mayor Sticks if you'd like we can I think I can bring in the public comment speaker who we couldn't get off of mute earlier and we've got him on telephone if you'd like to bring him in now? Sure that'd be great thank you okay This is John Weir. Mr. Weir, you should be able to talk now if you can go ahead and unmute yourself.
Can you all hear me alright?
Yes! Yay we can hear you. Go
ahead. First and foremost to Council Member Blatt I did not know your father personally but it is as a As a fellow child of public servants that I offer you the warmest condolences from my wife, myself and the staff of Beacon Coffee Company. Also, I'd like to address the entire council and say that in as much as the communications that every single one of you at this point should have received directly from me.
And in as much as I am phenomenally angry about what has transpired over this weekend That is in no way shape or form meant to be unappreciative of the effort, the intent and the heart that each and every one of you put into being public servants. I come from a family of public servants and a family of public school teachers. I have brothers who are in law enforcement and this weekend My staff had to witness our police department arrive to a call from myself at my business, to address not just someone who was not wearing a mask and complying with an ordinance that all of you put into effect.
But a white nationalist at that Upon responding to my phone call, they inconsistently applied the law. Specifically upon being called in August and November, the Ohio police department arrived to tell people who were here not to do business but also not to wear a mask that they were in fact trespassing on private property and they were to leave. That absolutely was not the case this Sunday.
Our police department showed up berated my wife and myself. They did so within earshot of my entire female, transgender and 50% of them being people of color. They heard the Ojai Police Department berate my wife and I for having the audacity to call them for backups. Then they took off their masks. They marched themselves right out into the middle of my parking lot in front of about 36 customers on a Sunday morning And they spoke without masks on directly to a white nationalist and his friend in the middle of my parking lot, cordially engaging them in conversation and then sending them on their way only to come back and question again whether or not I have the legal right. To maintain my own parking lot for which I pay the property taxes on, I have a lease on And I have a lease on this building.
I have a great deal of respect for law enforcement and I have a great deal of respect for each one of you gentlemen and women, but I also am educated in the law. And I also have a degree in U S constitutional history. And do believe supremely in the idea that I am citizen and citizen out ranks you. You all have put every small business owner in this community in a position where we have become law enforcement and we don't have consistent backing or guidance from you as a body, from the Ventura County Health Department, or from the Ojai Police Department.
I've addressed all of you in writing as of yesterday afternoon I have spoken with 22 staff members of elected officials ranging from Ojai City Hall to the county, to the state, to Congresswoman Brownlee's chief of staff. And not one single person can tell me whether the mask ordinance that you have put in place in this town is legal. Not a single person. And James, in as much as I really appreciate your email at about 6 0 7 this afternoon.
I don't appreciate that you all ignored me. I don't appreciate that. I cannot contact my elected officials by phone. I think it's important for citizens to be able to speak up and be angry and be heard I think it's inappropriate that the chief of police of Ojai hung up on me because he doesn't like my tone of voice. I think it's inappropriate the administrative sergeant hung up on me because they wanted to explain to me what was wrong instead of hearing what it is that I needed them to hear.
I'm here to ask you all to do better, on behalf of myself, on behalf of my staff and behalf of every other small business owner that you have Whether you intended so or not, you have made us your police force. We have been on your front lines since March of last year and you don't have our back. And the way I know you don't have our back is I didn't hear from any of ya.
I got hung up on. And because I have 11 female and transgender staff members who have over the last 48 hours individually said, Who do we call? So that is my question to you. Because Mr. City Manager your email it does not address what I have brought forth to you. It glosses over it. It sidesteps it. It does everything except in any way shape or form give me and my fellow Small business owners in this town, a black and white endorsement that you are behind us 100%.
And that we can expect our law enforcement to be behind us 100%.
Thank you, John. I really appreciate that and I'll call you tomorrow and James
Yeah, and yeah I think I put in my response to John that I'm meeting with the chief this week to discuss.
Okay okay thank you all right moving on to
mayor one second Ken I'll be honest with you I haven't received this email Um, and I reviewed everything before tonight's meeting. So if someone could send me John's email forward to me and also his number. And if anyone else has had that problem, I would recommend the same thing but.
I have a
John obviously. Obviously feels this way. Defending myself in any way other than I haven't received this.
Yeah, and I'll note that we had asked the chief to get back to him yesterday. And the chief did. And so we were getting that response from the chief and then we were forwarding that information to council today. Thank you. So yeah, you guys had not seen it until a couple of minutes ago? I haven't
seen
any.
Go ahead. Yeah, I did receive it with the public comments. It was kind of late in the day, so we couldn't have contacted him.
Yes.
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All right, moving on to number three COVID report.
Thank you. All right and so we have a quick presentation focused mostly on there were a couple of big changes announced so let me pull this up. And so we'll start by just going over some of the statistics we keep looking at. Everything is reflecting the trends we were hoping to see, which is fewer cases than we had seen in the weeks and months prior and slowing down of the increases that were occurring. So as you can see, from the end of February to early March, we had a couple thousand cases in the county And that's been slowing down to where now over almost a month we have less than 1000 cases in the county.
Similarly for the 93023, the trend has really slowed down from the spike we had seen in December or so. Other numbers that we keep watching and are important are the hospitalization rate and the ICU rate both of those continue to drop. And unfortunately there have been additional deaths but that rate has also slowed as well So overall the statistics are showing what I think everybody is probably seeing and hearing, which is that the COVID situation is slowly but surely improving at this point.
We are now in orange tier. We have been in orange tier for a couple of weeks, but the positive news is we're actually closer now towards yellow tier than we would be towards the red tier which for the first time we're inching forward to yellow tier. The three important statistics that are watched to determine which tier we're in one of those three is the testing positivity rate that we are now in yellow tier on The other two, the average seven-day case rate and the PCR, the health equity testing rate. Those two were in orange but getting out towards the low point of that.
So solidly in the orange tier and moving towards yellow tier so that's where we want to be at this point. And what that means on some key issues is It means certain things can start opening up and capacity could start increasing. The state put out new guidelines for as of April 15th, for categories that had been either prohibited or strongly restricted before.
Gatherings which had just been Maximum of three households outdoors and otherwise prohibited is now they've issued some new guidelines and in the orange tier, it can now be 25 people max. And it could be a 25% capacity on indoors And then in Yellowtier, which is hopefully our next step and somewhere we'll end up soon. It'll be 100 people max at outdoor gathering so that's an area that has opened up since our last meeting and if we continue to Yellowtier will continue to open up Similarly, private events which had not really been allowed before, which include meetings, receptions and conferences.
Those have expanded now to allow up to 50 people in the current orange tier at outdoor private events. And then once we get to yellow tier it'll be a maximum of 200 people. For indoor seated live events and performances, those had previously just been prohibited. As of April 15th the state announced that those will be allowed in orange tier at a reduced capacity of about 15% capacity in smaller venues 10% and larger venues.
And then in yellow tier that's going to increase to 25% capacity in smaller venues But it'll continue to be 10% in larger venues. So some of these gatherings, private events, indoor performances that had just prior had been completely prohibited are now allowed under the new state guidelines. Further, the interesting thing was as those guidelines were released and we were trying to understand Our new guidelines that would take effect April 15th, the state also announced that the current plan is to fully open the state on June 15. So essentially those guidelines that we just went over if everything goes according to plan those would just be the guidelines for the next two months and then on June 15 those items would open up Along with others, and the requirement that would remain in place would be the masking requirement.
But all the other guidelines would be lifted at that point. And so what that's going to depend on are the state has said two things it's going to be dependent on the equitable vaccine availability. If this basically meaning if there's enough vaccine for anyone over 16 who wants it and The low and stable hospitalization rate. So if those two things are in effect up to and on June 15th, the state would lift the orange tier, yellow tier, red tier, purple tier requirements and reopen the state fully with a mask requirement.
So those were big changes both currently with these kind of Mid-level changes for April 15th, and then big changes on the horizon for June 15. What we are going to be doing from now and then is we're going to start reviewing the existing orders. Our COVID recovery task force is meeting this week to look at the existing orders in which of those need to either be modified or lifted and the timing of those, and then to discuss other needs between now and June 15th as well.
There's going to be a lot of preparation going into seeing if we are ready and able to meet this date set by the states. In the meantime, the good news is the vaccines have continued to roll out pretty well. There was some bad news today that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine has been paused per FDA and CDC recommendations But that's been the first kind of bad news during what has been very positive news related to the vaccine.
The doses have really increased just at the Nordhoff site, I spoke with Hadi from the hospital and he stated that they have issued over 13,000 doses at that location which is more than the Ojai City population, but obviously it's open to the Valley as well. The doses have continued to be issued there. We're currently waiting. Saturday was the last scheduled date of the vaccine, but we are waiting.
The hospital is working closely with the county to try and get additional dates so we'll announce those once we have them. And countywide, there have now been 330,000 first doses issued and 190,000 second doses issued for a total of 521,000 doses. And the county estimates that 30% of residents over 16 have now been fully vaccinated so it's really starting to make an impact.
The current phase that we are in is anybody over 50 can get vaccinated. But as of Thursday, that will change to any California residents 16 and up can be vaccinated. So that will be the next big change in people over 16 that are watching this can go to VC Recovers to sign up starting on April 15th. And there's also for anybody who doesn't have email Or computer access the phone numbers 833-422-4255 to schedule appointments.
We are still doing COVID testing, I think we had 105 people tested this week or last Wednesday. And although more people are getting vaccinated, if you haven't been and you believe you may have been exposed it's still recommended to get tested as soon as possible to prevent the risk of spread. And we're working with the county to continue to offer that at Sarzadi Park on Wednesdays.
So with that I think that is the COVID update for this week
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Thank you so much, James. Bill, question from Randy?
Mr. Vega, just to clarify the Nordoff site is closed for the time being effective immediately?
So they held a clinic Saturday and they are working with the county to identify additional dates. So there are no dates currently scheduled.
If the problem is the reopening of Nordoff High School, would the county be receptive to reconsidering using Sarzotti?
Yeah. I spoke with Hadi on Monday from the hospital and offered Sarzatti in the Boyd Center. And so he was interested. We're working on potentially touring the site but I think the main issue is going to be getting doses from the county at this point. So that's what he's got to work on.
Thank you. Randy?
Yeah, I imagine the logistics too might play a factor going from the hospital across the street from the hospital to Sarzotti so it's interesting. So two questions come to mind one based on The last gentleman who called in and us requiring businesses to be our many police departments in this community. And so here we are, even if we go into June 15th and we remove all of the COVID restrictions except for face masking I think it would be appropriate somehow or some way that we get a letter from the county, from the Sheriff's Department, the County Supervisors, from someone stating actually what the protocols are for our police department in handling future masks concerns in our communities. That would be one thing And the second thing is they're putting another layer on us too.
If we open our venues, um, shortly put together a, um, uh, proof of test protocol. Um, have you put any thoughts into that James? Or are we going to be talking about that on Thursday? Cause again, are we gonna have, um at Libby bowl or are we going to have someone standing to the side saying he show us proof of vaccination And how many of us carry that with us?
I mean, I know most of us have already received our first and second shots but I don't carry anything on me that says that. So again, I'm just interested in what your thoughts are on that.
Yeah, it's something actually we were planning to talk. It's on the list to look at as part of the task force meeting on Thursday but The reality is you know that the frustration of everybody having to be the police I think is a real frustration that all of us are feeling at this point and I think We've asked the county how are we supposed to enforce How are we supposed to ask people for proof of vaccination and the answer at this point really is the county saying, We don't really know either. And the state hasn't really given guidance and so like a lot of these issues. This is a once in a lifetime pandemic there's not a great solution to some of these problems and We're kind of figuring it out as we go unfortunately so For me, when we work with the event holders, we're telling them the rules and we're telling them tell us how you will comply with these.
But most event holders so far have told us we're not even gonna try to get the proof of vaccination to increase our capacity it's just not possible. So we're gonna go with a lower capacity rather than try that. So I think that's really what's gonna happen and it is this weird in between phase from April 15th to June 15th Because theoretically on June 15th, those would be lifted and it would just be as long as you have a mask. You can go to the bowl or you can go to X location.
So it'll be kind of a strange two months but I think most people just won't test it. They will go with the capacity that's clearly allowed is what we're hearing so.
Okay,
thank you. Thank you.
Any other comments? All right, thank you once again James.
We do have a public commenter for this item. Okay thanks Gail. Okay the public commenter is John Weir again Mr. Weir you can go ahead and talk he will be on his phone and Mr. Weir a reminder that public comments are limited to three minutes you can go ahead and begin talking
Thank you all again for your time. Because my previous comment is directly linked to how we as a community are going to continue to be enforcement, all I'm asking for...I'm open to sit down with every single one of you and Gail has my phone number and you're welcome to use it. I'm at my coffee shop right now. You can come sit down with me but I won't stop pressing you For an answer.
You cannot table this until next week, you cannot table this until the weekend people from LA are going to be here in 48 hours folks on Sunday we had one person I asked my staff how often does this happen they said two days a week do you want to know how many people refuse to wear a mask on Monday five do you want to know how many people refuse to wear masks today seven we need guidance we need it now I yield the rest of my time.
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Thank you, Mr where. All right, let's move on to number four potential housing programs.
This item is on the agenda. To discuss three potential housing programs, the idea being these are three housing programs that we've either implemented in some form or looked at in some form in the past. And there had been recent requests mostly during the goal setting session we had but some in addition to that to take another look at these items and bring them back and figure out if we want to make some modifications or implement some of And so this item is put on, they're all housing related issues. So we put this item on so that the council can discuss these projects or any other housing project that the council may want to propose or look into and the idea being that council can prioritize and determine which ones to direct staff Do more research on or prepare an ordinance or prepare, you know next steps on and then staff would then take those and schedule for future meetings for either adoption consideration or discussion.
So it's really intended to allow for just that open discussion of housing needs. So the three topics just briefly is, we had noted that LA County had announced a what they called an ADU standardized plan program. That program created standard ADU plans accessory dwelling unit plans That residents could come and pull, and it was essentially created a streamlined process. And a lower cost process for them to develop an accessory dwelling unit which helps add affordable housing to cities. And so we did some research and found that there are a few other areas that have done the same similar program maybe not as robust. LA's is very robust they have dozens of plans But even as close as the County of Ventura has done a program where they have three plans, a 700 square foot one bedroom plan and 900 square foot two bedroom plan and a 1200 square foot three bedroom plan.
So we looked at those and provided some information for council to provide direction. Second is The city had previously in 2018 discussed tiny homes as accessory dwelling units and had a movable tiny home ordinance that had been prepared but not adopted. And so, that item is also brought back for council to discuss whether there was a proposal to make a few modifications and bring that draft tiny home ordinance back. And that's something that council can discuss and agendize And then lastly, there is a 408 North Montgomery Street affordable housing project that the city of Ohio. We own the property and we had talked about preparing a city owned affordable housing project and It was somewhat delayed due to COVID and the impact on the city's finances, but we are...
The council indicated an interest in bringing it back and trying to discuss some potential options to move that forward. So that's included in this report as well. And so with that, each of those items I think there is one public comment. One person who wanted to comment on each of those items which the City Council may wish to take those three comments but with that council can discuss each of those three programs.
Thank you, Jay.
Question, just I was wondering if we could follow up on that request that we take these up in turn separately for separate discussion if that's all right.
Yeah. Sounds like a good idea okay so the first one is the ad use program.
And we could see if we first have a public comment just on that one.
Public comment on the ADUs?
I don't have any specifics on what the two public speakers, which part of this agenda item they want to speak on. But if you'd like, I can bring them in and you can ask them. It's up to you how you want to handle that.
Mr. Miley is speaking on all three programs. OK. And the other one
is Mr. Oatway.
Yeah, so we could just let him speak as well.
Okay, so Mr. Miley I'm going to go ahead and bring you in. You can go ahead and talk now if you're unmuted please unmute yourself and you can
speak. So we're taking the comment on the accessory dwelling unit standard plan program to start
number four one yes okay so this is regarding that So I'm advocating for the consideration of new modular houses for meeting the affordability needs of folks with jobs within the city limits. And they would become acceptable and prototype ADUs. So for less than 70 to $100,000 you can get a one or two bedroom module that's broad sided and permitted And then based on the amount that you have invested, it's going to actually allow you to rent it at an affordable price.
So how do we get affordability? Here's an idea. Number one would be guarantee that the ADU would be affordable. There would be a contract between the city and the property owner. And this would because policy would because the city is As a policy for enabling affordable housing to be created within the city, and it would enable them. The assistance would be for the purchase of a modular unit.
It would be something like we'll give you some money or contract for some money over a period of 10 years if you agree to rent it at an affordable price. And the amount of money would depend on how much The individual contracted for the more money, the lower the affordability, the rent would be. And this would give the city an opportunity to limit. I think it should be limited to people who have jobs within the city limits so that we can't just have new people coming into Ojai and folks that need housing not get it here.
So that's basically what I have proposing. Modular units and a proposed arrangement between the city and the property owner to help them afford, establish affordable rental modular unit on their property. Thanks.
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Thank you Mr. Miley. Gail we have another comment?
Yes, the other person we have is Nicholas Oatway. Mr. Oatway you can go ahead and talk if you're muted please unmute yourself and you can go ahead.
Am I unmuted now?
Yes, you are. We can hear you.
I pushed the right button for a change. You did. Okay uh i think the whole issue of of housing, whether it's standard ADUs or a village of tiny houses brings in larger issues of what we want the town to look like. How we want people to move in the town and I think what Bill mentioned about people who are going into this housing, it's people who work in Ojai and who may not even need a car to get to work or to enjoy the town. I think it's just that housing is one obviously of the central issues of a town and I would say that a number of discussions need to occur between people investigating and researching new ways of putting buildings together. Not only the labor involved, but the actual technology because what I'm discovering is there really are some...
They've been trying to penalize construction for years, decades But they're beginning to get closer to something that really is like an erector set, that could save some money in actually getting a building up. I think those kinds of issues would be worth being at least part of the study that the city made as they went forward. So it's from a larger point of view, it's just the general plan looking at what do we want the town to be like?
to still have to look at a rush hour on the Friday afternoon of LA coming in, where you can't even see the end of the cars. They may maybe end out by the Liberal Catholic Church or something. But I think that there's just some really great opportunities today for a little town like Ojai too To solve some of the issues that make life harder for people here and building housing that actually is attractive, less expensive, quicker to build.
It's just going to take some time and some patience but I think it can be done I certainly enjoy participating earlier and any help I can provide in the future will be fun anyway. So, uh, I commend you all in your work and we have a big job to do. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Nick. Randy and then Bill?
So, you know reading over the I guess staff is looking for some direction unless we want to talk a little more about the ADU but. I like, you know again I reviewed the Los Angeles plan and thought it was incredible. The Ventura plan was just as unique. I'd like staff to come back and add maybe one more layer to it from the Ventura County is the 700-912 and actually put one at 500.
And I don't have a problem even trying to add prefabricated or modular onto it, you know so that we have the modular you can get 320, 480. You know the modular prefab but you can get almost at any size is real interesting. So I'd like to see staff develop something of that nature. I believe Mr. Miley's comments about Us buying units or a purchase agreement with a landowner. I think I ran this by Matt, do you want to comment on that? Can we do something like that or is it feasible or what's your thoughts?
Yeah i'm happy to comment there so the city certainly can enter into agreements to fund ADU construction using the city's general fund or its housing funds, provided of course there are appropriate protections in place. Typically those contracts are for longer periods than 10 years. Most of the time we see those for 55 years but that could be negotiated with the property owner however under the fair housing laws the city could not limit that to only people who live and work within Ojai. We could set up a system of preferences for or greater access opportunities for people who live or work within the city, but we could not outright prohibit others to do so would run afoul of the fair housing laws.
And I recognize that might sound odd given that it would be city money paying for it, but city money in the end is available to residents who move into the city just as well as it is to residents who currently live in the city.
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The other part of that is I remember you, um, you know, I looked up the, uh, is it a Paso Robles and how Paso Robles? I believe in how they went into. One of their affordable housing complexes, obviously a lot larger than anything we do here. But one of them wasn't it like a 30 day? Yeah, that's right. For 30 days they would allow citizens of Paso Robles for us to be citizens of Ojai to apply first and then it would be open up to the rest of the county.
Yes, that's correct. Paso Robles has several new large housing developments going in and they've created a local Sort of a locals first program where that in that case, it's both affordable and purchase opportunities. And they're marketed exclusively locally and they are created interest list process. It's locals for the first 30 days folks who live or work within the city, and then it opens up to others. The key being that that's perfectly legal because it doesn't prohibit others. It simply creates this first opportunity for locals that then comes before
folks from farther afield. So, so James I think that's something that we'd like to look at in ours and then the probably the last thing which is we all talk about it. We don't have a grant writer per se for the community specifically for affordable housing but there's uh to kind of meet some of Mr. Miley's input maybe there's some grants out there with some funding Sources that we could tie into affordable housing as far as developing or things of that nature. So I think that's a component that we should look at, so 500-480 prefabricated modular grants and then what Matt just talked about regarding a 30 day period of actual citizens living in Ojai having first shot
Yeah, I'm fully in support of this entire idea. Mr. Miley said what Mr. Haney said and I want to find a way to best move this forward. We're talking about facilitating building permits that's squarely a title mine matter we have traditionally as in terms of moving forward recommendation moving forward to come up with a specific plan for adoption We've traditionally used the building appeals board for that, because it's also our housing review board by statute.
And I would think that maybe the best way to do this is to refer it to the BAB with working with staff to come back to an adoptable recommendation to council within 60 days and I'm going to make that
motion. Mayor, I'm sorry.
Go ahead Randy.
I agree with that 100%, Bill. I think something else that we need to look at regarding affordable housing is how we look at the existing, you know, our special housing overlay, the SBL district. You know, how can we accommodate some affordable housing in that? How can- My motion's just limited to one.
That's all.
Yeah. Well, I'm just saying... Okay. So your motion is what again, Bill for one thing not- We're going to do 1, 2
and 3 separately, I believe.
So this is for one,
right? Yeah. The ADU standard plan program.
Okay. My motion is only that we try to move forward... I'm going to take these in sequence and my motion is just a way of getting the standard plan program. I completely agree with you Andy but I think it might be outside the scope.
You're absolutely right. I'm on affordable housing. My mind is, I'll be honest with you guys, not affordable housing tonight so I'll back that off when we get to number three.
Okay, so this is just for the ADU which is the fastest and the least expensive and the most neighborhood friendly way.
And engaging our local architects for proposals. I just think staff with BAB might be the best way to get this back to us as something adoptable within 60 days.
Do also... I'm sorry Susan go ahead. I stepped on her.
You're muted Susan.
I really love what Randy said about the Paso Robles first, local first program. Do we need to include in your motion that staff research that as part of this? So that all these new ADUs are not-
And I expect our building official will be tasked with that job too, Mr. Jesuit.
And I should note, I wrote that for Paso Robles as outside council. I'll be happy to pass it to staff.
I'll
also note that there it was applied through a development agreement that created the statutory basis to do it for two large housing projects. The model in which it was cited originally came up tonight would be ADUs that had city money. We will research whether we could do so as a general rule One other thing here regarding ADUs, Mayor, is
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Have we, have we done any studies in Ojai regarding ADUs since the inception regarding traffic patterns and parking patterns and you know impacting routes in areas that ADUs might? Be placed in our community. What are more, what are more susceptible areas than others? And how are they going to impact evacuation plans and air pollution and things of this nature? Have we done any studies on any of this regarding ADUs or did we just adopt an ordinance years ago on ADUs and just started moving forward?
Yeah, we haven't done any particular studies on ADUs. It's interesting you mentioned it because we're updating the general plan update and that'll look at the circulation element and a couple other things. And so that should be something we look at in there but we have not done a specific ADU study and that has not been updated since we allowed ADUs So it hasn't been studied. So
when we look at the circulation of the general plan and we look at the housing element of the general plan, we might want to attach some of those thoughts into it so that if we can scrutinize them and try to evaluate the impacts I would think the biggest impact on an ADU or a tiny home or any additional house on any lot in any community is going to be parking And because there's no way I can, there's no way we can limit someone to say yeah you can have an ADU or you can have a tiny home but you can't own a car. Or you can't own two cars or you can't have three people with three cars. So I'm just saying we've never really looked at that and I just think it's something that as we're doing a general plan update it wouldn't hurt us to look at it and try and get an idea of the impact.
Yeah may I ask a question comment? That is one of the problems when you have density, and especially if you remodel all the garages that you end up with the cars on the street. And we don't want that because our streets are narrow and then it pushes the bicycles into the traffic lane et cetera. But I believe that we could limit if we restrict on-street parking then people will have to figure out how they're going to get around without If there's a lot of people living on one property, they're going to have to figure out where to put their X number of cars.
Am I saying that right? By restricting on-street parking and requiring that they park their cars on the property, that will restrict in itself, I believe, the number of cars or at least it'll help.
Yeah, I'd like Attorney to weigh in on that. I'm not sure if we can do that.
Cities can prohibit parking on the street overnight, but most cities that do that still allow for a permit process allowing so many permits per house to then allow certain amount of cars to still be parked on the street overnight. Some other cities will simply ban all cars parked on the So you can park during the day, but at night you have to get the cars off of the street.
Doing so would be legal. It would require significant evaluation by the council for a series of unintended impacts that would stem from that, particularly if the goal was to limit density as opposed to managing a parking issue. Parking is certainly one of the great challenges of ADUs. The state has preempted entirely The city's ability to set parking standards for ADUs. That
is what I
thought. And that is one of the pieces that the 80 ordinance began several years ago when the state required the city to adopt it and has continuously required the city to adjust it, although the city has gone beyond the minimums in a couple of cases. But parking is one where the state simply said requiring parking to replace a lost garage is gone Requiring parking for ADUs of certain sizes is out.
And one of the tools left is, of course a residential preferential parking program that creates a permit or ban on overnight parking on the street but I would recommend doing so be entered into with considered thought I
think
we're
getting a little far afield
from
the
motion.
Yeah, let's vote on this motion unless Susie you have one more question on this?
Yeah my question of Matt is can um a homeowner with an ADU they can give can they give preference to a tenant without a car because i've rented out rooms only to people who don't have a car that's legal correct
Yes, that would be legal for the individual landlord to make that decision not to be imposed by the city.
Yes and then I don't want to get off topic but you can have housing developments without cars because lots of cities have that where they're just it's limited to people who it's very restricted parking but that's a different topic Okay,
well
we have a second on Bill's
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion. Okay we're ready for the roll call
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Thank you all right then moving on to number two the tiny home program any public comments on this Number 2, Gail?
The two public commenters that we had have already spoken. Great.
I have a question. Bill Miley had comments on all 3,
Gail. Do you want me to bring him back in then?
I think the mayor, I think the council agreed to that when we started. Correct? Now
does Bill get nine minutes or three one minute sections?
Three. Okay. Mr.
Miley- Bill gets
whatever he wants right? He's commenter emeritus. That's our
frequent flyer.
Okay. We love hearing
from you. My turn. Hello. Go ahead. Instead of tiny houses on wheels I'm advocating for modular homes to meet the affordability needs of folks who have jobs within the city limits. Several years ago, you may remember I presented to your council three-dimensional models of a tiny house on wheels, a park house and a small modular house. I was trying to make the point that modular homes have more space for less money than tiny houses.
They are a much better buy. They also blend in to the neighborhood well, and they could be rented for less because they cost less per square foot and they have more space. So they help meet the affordability income needs of low and maybe very low in our town. So I sent your council two links of modular home builders, which I looked at considered worthy of investigation. At least in my initial view. Thanks.
Thank you, Mr.
Miley. So should I bring in Mr. Oatway again?
No.
Okay. Bill? I want to make one comment that came just to pass it forward from the research we did in the past, and it talks about ANSI versus building code. One thing that's not in the staff report that I believe still is accurate is that the National Fire Protection Association has a separate fire code for tiny homes on wheels or frames whether or not built on frames.
And I think I shared that in the discussion in the past, and I wouldn't want there to be thought that we're limiting the standards that could be adopted to ANSI. There is also a National Fire Protection Association code that could be adopted. And again, I think what we're asking tonight is whether Council Majority wants us to move forward to a draft Ordinance with a few of these limitations from the previous proposal for future agenda consideration. But I did want to mention that one thing, there is an adoptable fire safety standard in addition to ANSI.
Thank you Bill.
Susan? And this proposal for a tiny home ordinance would include prefab very green material Tiny homes. I definitely believe, I don't know if Mr. Miley understood that we have, that we're doing both pre you know the modular and we want to do everything that encourages accessory dwelling units affordable accessory dwelling units
so. And our proposals for a limited number not general
yeah. Do we have that number?
No, it's not specified that would be part of the deliberation when it came to us.
Okay so we need a motion.
We need more discussion on
this.
The utility requirements I believe that the sanitation district is redeveloping Their sanitation requirements and hookup requirement fees. So that should be something that needs to be built in to anything that we do regarding any of these. So I'm not sure, James when they're deliberating on that is it tonight or next week? It's April 26th. So anything that we bring back, we've got to consider what they're doing and how it might impact what we're trying to achieve. So it's just a component guys, that's all I just wanted to bring up.
Yeah, I think the idea is too that Susan and I had Randy was to incorporate into the pad permit all the utility hookup requirements. Whatever those are? Yeah exactly whatever they are
yeah
okay great well.
Got a
motion? Susan, you want to do the honor?
No. You go ahead. I'll second it. If you don't want to, I'll do it but I think... Go ahead.
I'Ill make the motion that we direct staff to come up with a draft ordinance for consideration by council.
Draft ordinance for
tiny homes.
For tiny homes.
Yeah with a limited number per the The specification changes that we've listed.
Okay, it's simple because it says it's coming back. Okay, I'll second. Thank you. Great.
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Okay, great. And then number three, the affordable housing project at Franklin and Montgomery
American may interject in some of that I know that we actually identified that project at Franklin and Montgomery for an affordable housing complex but I don't want to limit the discussion tonight just to that one street. I think we want to look at affordable housing and future affordable housing sites in this discussion when we send it back to staff if I may
Okay, great. Any public comment on this scale number three?
I take it I should bring Mr. Miley back in just want to double check
yes
okay
definitely thank you.
Okay may I ask you a question is Mr. Obey worked on this project but he's not waiting in the wings
He's still available. We
can see if he wants to comment.
Okay, so I'll let Mr. Miley speak and then after he's done I'll see if Mr. Oatway wants to speak. Mr. Miley you can go ahead if you want to talk.
Thank you good evening the administrative memo on this item is quite good because it gives the essence of the project but there are a few more details I'd like to share with Number one, Mayor Johnson and I spent several years researching development of an affordable housing project on this city-owned lot. The concept was to further affordable housing in this case it was going to have to be at a moderate level because it was going to cost a lot through cottage type development with limited number of units.
And I think we had presented it to the planning commission It came to your council one or more times. It was, as I saw it a prototype for other cottage type developments in our city since after the people self-help proposal for 40 unit behind the city hall there was a lot of public comment about keeping affordable housing to cottage type development Architect Nicholas Oatway drew the plans under a limited contract with the city manager, which has approved by the council.
Three, an important factor in that design was limiting vehicle ownership to one vehicle per unit except for the studio, which was a no-vehicle contract. It was structured to reuse vehicle use within the city as recommended by past special planning firms that our city hired. Number four, at one point two years ago, previous planning director said I think we could get a density bonus which would give us seven units.
The funding was to be Possibly by the County Housing Trust Fund to fund the construction in a local bank for a 30 year mortgage. No funds other than maybe permit reductions or exemptions by the city. The rental, the rents we're going to have to pay for the whole thing. We thought maybe that Ventura County Housing Authority might be willing to manage it We were going to place a priority for people who were workforce within the city limits.
And we are going to use the California Housing Authority eligibility to do the financial screening. However, all this looks like it's gonna cost too much. It's gonna be too high a cost to be able to have the rents paid up. Its way. So maybe we're going to have to consider putting modular buildings there. Thanks.
Thank you, Mr Miley.
Okay, Mr Otway if you I'm unmuting you if you want to speak, can you let us know?
Yes, I'd like that. Thank Bill for giving you the background of what former Mayor Johnston and Bill and I put together. It was clear that the word affordable is going to have to have some real meat on it if the City Council is to be believed going forward And the only way we could see, we didn't do a research on the panelized idea which has gone actually had gone leaps and bounds technologically in the last couple of years for reducing the cost of the actual building.
But the rents were never gonna be affordable unless we somehow cut the cost of getting the buildings up basically in half And I've had some brief discussions with one or two of you about developing a volunteer group run by professionals in the construction field to get it built and save maybe 40, 50% of the cost. of building on that particular site or any other site, as Randy pointed out. There are many sites close to the middle of town that could be sites for affordable housing and get away from this public response Plain or ugly, or somehow housing for the poor or whatever.
And actually add character to the experience of being in the town of Ojai. So I would say that we need to look at the... At least from a point of view How can the city organize its people to build affordable housing? It's organizational, it's technological and it can't be done in the typical way that we go and get a loan to try and build a project. Thank you very much. Thank you Nick.
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Randy? So what I'm hearing is, and after reviewing the numbers here that we would have to come up with a half million to $1 million to fund this project as is. So maybe one of the things that we want to direct staff to do is actually look at this site one more time and figure out how we can do some type of affordable housing but utilizing a modular home methodology versus a stick built.
So that's one thought on that.
Bill and then Susan?
I think Nick laid it out very well, I think we should look at that site for something very uniquely Ojai. We figure out how to mobilize the community not sure exactly the best way to do that thinking through that that commits to aesthetics while committing to affordability through, as Mr. Oway mentioned, innovative design techniques implemented in a unique way of professionally organized volunteer effort.
It doesn't mean everything is donated but it means that we leverage what funding is available with a sort of expanded view of what Habitat and Humanity does in a different type of venue. I would love to find, I think there are a group of people in this community, Mr. Owei being one particular example, Mr Miley being another that we could maybe rely on to come up with a plan, a very unique plan, a very Ojai plan Possibly working with our building official closely.
We have to be careful about laying too much on staff, very sensitive about that. But I think there is a critical mass of people and we know how much talent and commitment and how much human capital we have in this community that really I think could do something special in terms of combining aesthetics, the innovative design techniques and a professionally guided quasi-volunteer effort.
And get rid of sort of the standard approach that is really causing problems in other jurisdictions because they end up with ugly expressions of overly expensive construction. I think we can do better and I just want to throw that out.
Bill, I don't disagree with that the issue that comes the bottom line here is money That's the bottom line here. Well, and leveraging money with human capital. That's a guiding principle on us funding a project of this nature. So I'm 100% behind conceptually what you just said. I just don't know how it's feasible in today's world. So I'm open to anything if we can look at it joint ways. I don't know how we direct staff to do what? Create An RFP or something of
that nature? Or maybe just ask a volunteer task force to come together and see what they can come up with.
Well, someone's got to direct it so that's what I'm trying to say
is... I'd like to ask Mr. Oatway to do it.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I would too.
With what? Ask Mr.Oatway to lead a volunteer task force. Come up with a proposal work with our building official and see what he can come up with Work with Mr. Miley, people like that. I'm not sure what the building official could do for him but he could say you know what would fit within existing permitting and not for example with alternative building methods?
Like the penalization idea. Well,
like I said, I'm not gonna get stuck on what we do on 408 North Montgomery. Whatever we wanna do, we do. We have a bigger issue and that's affordability period. That's what I'm trying to get at is- There's no reason to argue about it. However you guys want to direct staff to create a team, you do that. I'm not opposed to it. But there are some issues with affordability. There's other venues in this community, the VMU, the SPLs, the commercial area.
We have a number of places where we can do live workspaces and do affordable components adjacent to them that we haven't addressed. And I think that that's something we need to direct staff to look at and in turn direct it to planning and to BAB, There's a multitude of areas that we should be looking at, not just North Montgomery. I think North Montgomery will solve itself out.
We need to do the same.
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How do we direct staff to do that? Is that a motion there or do you, do we want to talk
about it? I'd like, frankly, I would like Mr. Oway's put a lot of pro bono work into this and he worked a lot with our former mayor Johnny Johnston along with Bill Miley. Frankly, I would like... We respectfully request Mr. Oway to work with the You know, the city manager or who the city manager might want to delegate you to come up with a more fleshed out proposal of moving forward in a very unique Ojai way on this and see what he comes up with and bring it back to us for consideration. Okay that's for North Montgomery correct? Yes that's what's on the agenda so I think we have to add to that I agree with you but i'm just trying to keep focused here
Yeah. And that would include the possibility of volunteer labor, how much that would save.
Professionally organized pro bono contributions,
right? The plan is planned for that is very Ojai and it's very what's the word I want to say ingenious in that it allows for A considerable number of people to live there, but there's like communal space. So that each house doesn't have to have its own washroom and that sort of thing. And as I recall it included since the units are small, there's a larger space for gatherings.
Also, while I have the floor. I want to make sure that the public understands that when we talk about restricting the number of cars it's not that we're trying to impose some draconian travel restriction on people but this particular location is close to town and part we have to face that parking is land is very expensive and Taking, you know we can't have affordable housing and have space for everybody to have one or two cars. It just doesn't the numbers don't as you are fond of saying numbers don't pan out I've never I don't think I've ever said that before.
And also what happens when you start making developments was restricted a number of cars Which I think you can do in a situation like this, correct Matt? What happens is then public transportation tends to improve and car sharing which is very popular. All kinds of innovative alternative means of transportation comes about out of necessity because not everybody has a car that's what happens it moves us into direction In the direction of alternative transportation, so it's a good thing.
And yes that's legal right Matt?
I understand the question to be is it legal to authorize developments to not have parking? Yes. Is that-
Yes.
Yes.
It's all legal yeah
and there are developments that are built without parking notable in that is it would not be legal for the city to prohibit residents from owning a car That would be challenging.
Yeah, yeah. There's no parking on that street anyway. Have
a
motion on this?
Well in the old proposal they did put four parking stalls I think one of the reasons they did it is Is it, is it the what's up? What's the street that runs East and West is a Franklin. It's 1 Franklin. Yeah, I think those are the homers that came out in voice the most grievances about this. The fact that they're dead end street and it's a very narrow street.
So what you're doing is. If you're not going to allow parking on that site, you're going to put that parking on their street or on Montgomery. Just as long as you're aware of that. That's again I'm not opposed to it. I just whatever you guys want to do on that site. So we know what we're gonna do in North Montgomery. What are we gonna do about the other aspects of the VMU and the SBL and the C1 considerations?
How do we address those?
We have a meeting scheduled May 3rd To do the housing element review. And I think that is the first step in that process.
Yeah, yeah. Thank you, Jane. All right. We're ready for a motion?
I'll make my suggestion into a motion that we find out if Mr. Otway would be willing to take on the task of developing a more specific proposal Or an innovative approach to affordable housing at Franklin and Montgomery. Combining aesthetics, innovative design in building techniques and professionally organized volunteer effort.
I'll second. And super fire hard. I just wanted that.
Exactly. Yeah, I agree.
Roll-call vote Passed 3–0 · 2 under review
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Do it with love!
Absolutely, all right thank you thanks Gail so we're gonna move on to number six we're gonna do the Climate Emergency Mobilization Committee. Can we get
a two minute
break please? Of course we can let's take this and then we'll come back with uh number six
Pardon me?
We're going to come back. We're going to do climate emergency number six before we do number five.
So did we approve that at the beginning of the meeting?
No, I
brought it up and then I don't know what happened. I said I was gonna...I just didn't...
The agenda that was approved had the order as listed on the document. The mayor has the power to reorder it. The council then can approve or Reject that. So if there's opposition to the proposed reordering, I would suggest take a vote on the question of taking five or six first, if there's not already consensus that could be sought orally.
Okay. Can we have a vote on that? And the reasoning is so the Climate Committee can go to bed earlier.
Because their spokesperson has an event early in the morning. Okay, can we
vote on that Gail please?
I think Ryan might have taken the break.
Oops,
we need
to vote.
Okay.
All
right. We're good with that. Alright let's take a five minute break y'all. Thank you.
Ryan
areas. Okay, all right. We're all back. Okay moving to number six the climate emergency mobilization committee. Take it away James please.
Yeah. So we received two requests from the Climate Emergency Mobilization Committee to support two items. One was to request for the City of Ojai to issue a support letter for requesting the replacement of U.S. postal vehicles in Ojai, to be replaced with all electric vehicles And then second was a list which is included in the staff report of recommendations from the Climate Committee to start planning for conversion of city building and vehicles to all electric. As noted in the staff report, some of those requests were already identified by the City Council in the last budget discussion such as The idea of starting to replace our vehicles with electric fleet, electric vehicles whenever possible and to plan for more installation of electric vehicle charging stations.
And so those two particularly we noted in the staff report that we have started to do at this time and we are including some of those in the upcoming budget discussion. We're probably going Those in the budget hearing are at the budget workshop on May, and the first meeting of may. But there was a couple of additional requests such as getting that having the city council support the goal of making all city buildings carbon neutral by the year 2025, and then the fleet as well so So the Climate Committee has asked for council to support those requests. I believe Phil White from the committee is on the call if there are any questions, and with that, the item is before the City Council.
Thanks James. Any questions? Suza, question?
Yeah so it's my understand... Oh am I? I'm unmuted. It's my understanding That this is a policy, it's a goal but it's not binding if we don't have the finances. Is that correct?
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This is Phil White. Can I speak now appropriately?
Sure thank you.
It's good to see you all again. It's been fascinating to watch your meeting tonight and listen to all that you deal with. I'm proud to live where I do, and have people like you dedicated to solving the problems that exist here. The Climate Committee is obviously focused on climate mitigation If you dial down climate mitigation, it's reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
And that means for vehicles and buildings to move towards eliminating the use of gasoline and diesel to power vehicles and replace them with electric vehicles generated with the electricity generated by renewable sources And in the case of buildings to move towards reducing and ultimately eliminating the combustion of natural gas, and replacing that energy with electricity again generated by renewable.
So this is a common theme and everything we recommend. We come to your council tonight with two recommendations for action. We're recommending two motions, the first as James indicated deals with the postal service vehicles That are coming to Ojai. It's maybe symbolic, but Ojai has done a lot of... Has taken a lot of symbolic actions and this could be another one.
And that would be to pass a motion having the city submit a letter of support to key officials such as our congressional delegation The Postmaster General, Mr. Joy and his Board of Governors requesting that the vehicles designated for Ojai be all electric. There's no guarantee that'll happen but making the request we think is an important action. The second is maybe has more teeth to it and will have Uh, have perhaps more consequences and that's to. Uh, our recommendation is the city council adopt a motion providing policy direction to staff supporting planning for conversion of city buildings and vehicles to electric.
And, uh, From James's presentation, you're already doing some of these things and we recognize that and appreciate it. We've tried to be comprehensive in putting together the policy language recommendation which is in your packet as attachment B It has a goal of 2025 to answer Councilperson Francina's question. Yes it's a goal, it's not binding. We all need to make goals in our lives and this is the one that we're suggesting We believe that the city should be converting the energy systems in city buildings from natural gas to electricity, especially when equipment is being replaced. A good example of that is the museum which I'm associated with. I heard recently from Wendy Barker, One of the air conditioning units on the roof was failing and needed to be replaced.
I don't know the details of it, but if that original unit that's failing were a natural gas fired unit, it would make complete sense to replace it with a heat pump or electric unit. There would be no new electric load required, the ductwork would all be the same. The weight of the unit would be essentially the same. Another example would be City Hall. I went on a tour one time of the attic of City Hall above the council chambers, and I believe there's a furnace up there with a cooling coil that is powered by electricity.
When that unit needs replacement it would make sense to replace We also support, we recommend that you provide policy direction giving support for the additional Vehicle fleet conversion to EVs, again especially at the time when vehicles are replaced. This is what the county policy now is that I was a participant in urging the county to do about a year and a half ago.
When they're available there may not be good options for trucks for example We think that the policy direction should include giving support for EV charging stations. And finally, giving support to staff to look for grants to fund all of these purposes. So again we're hoping for your council to make two motions one to send the letter on the electric post office vehicles and second To provide policy direction to staff, as outlined in attachment B. There's probably the very last sheet in your packet and I would be happy to answer questions.
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Mary, why don't we break this into the two sections that they're requesting.
Gail, are there any public comments on this? No public comments. All right so the first one to send a letter for the post office vehicles.
Are we ready to make the motion or is...
Any comments? We're ready. I mean, let's do
it motion that the city sent a letter of support that vehicles also service vehicles designated for Oh, I'd be electric, you know, send the letter to the appropriate officials.
Okay, I'll second that. Gail may we have a vote for that please?
Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 motion that the city sent a letter of support that vehicles also service vehicles designated for Oh, I'd be electric, you know, send the let · 1 under review
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Thank you Gail. Okay and then number two the policy. Any questions comments?
Randy?
You know, this is where I guess I struggle with this committee. And I'm just going to be honest about it. The committee was created to do a lot of the legwork that now they're pushing back for us to tell staff to do. So personally on something of this nature, I would expect the committee to do the who, what, when, why, how and where. So they should perform the study of the community helping us to figure out how to remove gas Um, for more buildings and to electrify. So I'm going to put it back onto the Climate Committee to come up with these suggestions and not our staff because that's what the Climate Committee was created for. That's my opinion, my humble opinion, and others can weigh in on it.
Bill?
I would deter on one specific example the idea that The direction would be for staff to, you know, be looking at grant opportunities. We specifically talked about this committee trying to come up with those kind of ideas, you know and bring specific funding opportunities or consideration to the staffing council not just say oh, you Staff you do it. We got very limited staff and they need help, and they can they can help with some of these grant opportunities I mean i i circulated a program that the state has that Santa Paula succeeded in getting some grant funding for.
And I would like to see this committee research the funding opportunities and supplement their very scarce staff time. So, I would have problems saying just give direction to staff without this committee's involvement in that work.
Susan? May I make a suggestion? You know, maybe we should separate because there may be items where we can get more clear consensus and then go back to the ones that Bill and Randy expressed some concerns with. I mean it just seems like the one I think it's C. My eyesight is a little bit blurry with these glasses. Item C, it says give support for additional vehicle fleet conversion to electric vehicles. This is what they're doing in Ventura.
And direction that council has already given. We already have a policy. We're already doing that.
Okay, so we're in agreement on number C. It's already being done correct? We're clear on that
okay? I am. I hope
we
are.
So give support can we just go over these and then discuss them individually Give support to the goal of making city buildings and vehicle fleet carbon neutral by 2025. Okay, so that's a goal and staff is going to be aware when things need to be replaced, okay? They'll know I don't see this as extra work for staff when space heaters or water heaters And other items that are now functioning on gas, wouldn't the city staff in the normal course of events be faced with replacing these items? And can we have a policy that those items be electric?
Well carbon neutral.
Carbon neutral but yeah.
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I don't have a problem with aspiring to carbon neutrality for our buildings and vehicle fleet, absolutely not. Our whole community should strive for that. But the city
building
items? When we say a goal of 2025, that's three funding cycles from now.
But it's not binding, it's a goal.
I have no problems
with it making it a goal. I
have, I have a problem putting a date on it. I have a bigger problem with the fact that this group is not doing their work. If I just needed some think tank five messages, you know that? I could talk to any five people in the city, I come up with five of these. That's the problem I'm struggling with here.
But my question-
Do you not understand what their responsibilities are?
My counterpoint is that in the court, That will know when things need to be replaced. What's the extra work involved with that?
See, is the issue here number is E. I'm on a no, I know but Randy
and like you said, I'm just and I'm surprised I'm the only one speaking up to it. I really disappointed in this group. I really am. I don't feel they recognize what their responsibilities are. Maybe we need to have another discussion with them, but I just find this again a complete waste of time. Did we ask them to bring this to us? Didn't we direct them as a council to do a specific task and instead we get these two things?
So I'm sorry, that's where I'm at. I'm just confused and I'm resenting the fact that I'm spending time on something that we didn't ask for when we gave them a specific task.
Phil are you still there? Do you have any response?
Sure, can you hear me?
Hello?
Yeah. Yes. Well, I would say that my understanding of what we're here to do is to advise the city on what it should do with respect to climate global warming and climate change and propose measures that the city can take to address it and do its fair share. And the city's done a lot And very commendable and I will make an offer, you know on my own as a mechanical engineer. I will on my own dime do an inventory of all the city-owned vehicles.
All the city owned buildings that contain natural gas fired equipment And put it in a spreadsheet and show what that is so that everybody can see where the targets are for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Would that make you feel better, Randy? Well, C-Phil
this is the problem. First of all one I appreciate you offering that but you're a group of five Why are you singling yourself out to save the other
four?
Because they're not, I'm not. They're not here to talk to you and I am and I was asked the question and I care enough about dealing with climate change that I already spend a lot of time. I'm on the county's Climate Emergency Committee as well as this one and worked very hard on the planning commission for climate change policies in the county general plan.
So I'm dedicated to doing this, my wife and I are electrifying our house and our vehicles and I really believe in it And I'm willing to give you my commitment. I will go do that and not take your staff's time to do that if you don't feel like they should be doing it. Will you accept that?
Well, will the council accept that? You're not talking to me specifically. Well, you were the one who brought it up is why- I understand that and that's another issue that I have here. Are we done taking comments from the Climate Committee and are we going to deliberate this or are we going to deliberate it with the Climate Committee?
Let's let's deliberate this. Thank you, Phil. It's a super generous offer. So let's discuss
this. Can I just respond quickly to the challenge for me really It's not necessarily the inventorying everything, because we should have that and staff should be able to do that. The reality is that we are facing with our budget crisis. And I met with finance right before this meeting when we went through the budget. We had a 30% plus impact this year due to COVID. And we're going to have a Budget Committee meeting tomorrow where You know, it looks like potentially another 25 to 30% impact. You know, so that those are millions of dollars that are gone and we did, you know, city council has given direction to start doing this as much as possible, but just as a simple example afford F one 50 truck is $35,000 an electric Ford F one 50 is $80,000 when they become available.
They're not available yet, but at $80 thousand next year And so our reality right now is like really paring down, you know. We don't have extra money right now and so the challenge of putting a goal of 2025 to replace all these things I wish we were in that situation but it's very unlikely we're going to be able to do that or to be in that situation For me, I think the challenge is with what we know we're going to have for Measure C. I think what would be helpful would be a prioritized list of what would be the big impact items we could do with that funding versus just making a goal statement that we should replace everything because that's not something that's likely at this point.
Can I ask you a question? More realistic to change the date to 2030? Definitely.
It's more realistic,
yeah. I mean just so that...I just feel like it's good to have the goal in front of us and do what we can and it's not binding but that way we don't lose sight of the goal.
What a waste of time. Ryan?
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You know, everybody reminds you very quickly. We spent a lot of time debating things that are quote symbolic from this committee and if it's symbolic I don't have a problem doing it But the reality is we are definitely already doing all these. I mean, this council... If I could put in one sentence would be that the City Council of Ojai will consider electrifying and minimizing its impact on greenhouse gas emissions and every level of everything the city buys does and otherwise tries to do within its reasonable financial capabilities.
And that's already a policy that we have. I mean if there's any place I've ever been that has adopted that policy, it's the city. And if we need to put words to it so it feels like we're part of a bigger symbolic movement then let's do that but you know, I don't think we need 2025 there. I think what we need there is as soon as it's reasonably financially practical and that could be sooner.
You know, things go gangbusters here and measure C bring in a lot more money than we expect in some weird fashion. And we could potentially have more money to do this. Or get infrastructure grants who knows? Right right I mean you know what I mean? A lot of this stuff is I mean how many times like we brought it up I brought I mean electric charging vehicles for the city and the public and electrical version complete to electric and all that stuff.
I just feel like we're arguing about something we're already doing. And if we're arguing about the year, then let's be honest. We don't need the year. We know that we are all willing to do this now and inform our future council members down the road that we support getting all of these things done as soon as is financially practicable. Frankly, that's that's the motion I would make and say we just rewarded a little bit and and try to do all these things as soon as we can.
But I don't think we need to put 2025 there when we're coming out of the worst financial situation we've ever seen as a city. But I would hope that we could get there as soon as we possibly can. I mean, I don't know how else to say it but there's nothing in here that any one of us disagrees we would try and do in a reasonable conversation about any of these. Does the staff need to do it? I appreciate Phil's offer unbelievably But do we need an inventory? I don't even know if we do, because every time a new thing comes up that we can change, every one of these should be built into our decision-making without it having to be said at all. So creating a policy that says we're going to look at every one of these as long as it's a practical option financially and whatever other considerations there might be then yeah, I don' t mind saying it.
I already think it. 100% of us think it but I won't put words in everybody else's mouth but I think we're arguing about this It's a, all of these are goals. I mean they all have no policy pending in my... We have so much more important stuff to think about than all the stuff we're already doing and arguing about things we're already doing. So-
Good point. So did you just make a motion?
I'm happy to make a motion that says we adopt all of these rather than 2025, we adopt all of these with the idea being that we will complete them as soon as economically and otherwise practical. Second.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion that says we adopt all of these rather than 2025, we adopt all of these with the idea being that we will complete them as soon as eco
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with the caveat that this group do their job do what they're asked to do stop wasting our time with things like this
I do have a question. Are we done voting? Yes, and thank you for coming. Appreciate
it. You're very welcome. Thank you. I think your emotions are important.
Can you hang on a moment, Phil? I have a question of James. James, so are you saying that there's no value in the offer that Phil made to do the inventory?
No, I don't think so. Yeah.
OK. If that changes, you could just let them know. Okay,
thank
you. Thank
you. I think that what we can say is that on an ad hoc basis of something comes up that falls under this, we'll reach out to everybody we can from Phil to the climate committee to air pollution control to everywhere and everybody is working for that. And I totally appreciate what Phil was talking about but I also think that at the end there and I think make sure our Climate Committee stays aware that if we're changing our equipment or doing stuff We may be in those situations, we want their opinion on that. I think what Randy's saying is hey, that's where the rubber would meet the road if we're putting in an air cooler above City Hall or Phil was talking about above council chambers and we don't know about some new technology that's out there or we're missing something and that's an option then yeah, we wanna make sure we're informed about that.
But I also know that our staff is going to look into that. There's no way that they're not going to find out, but that's where I hope what Phil was offering would come in
handy. And I would urge Phil to get in touch with Greg Grant through Mr. Vega's coordination on the museum replacement.
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And then I would urge that we don't spend 35 minutes talking about something we don't need to talk about.
That's where we're moving right along to. Should we, James it's 1007 what do y'all think? Go for it the goal setting and priority projects or everybody okay to
keep going? One idea if we could get into it are the other ideas we have kind of a draft proposed project list if everybody just wants to Yeah, I can reach out to everybody between now and the next meeting and get some feedback and then bring back a revised version at that meeting.
In light of the hour, I would suggest have structured a structured feedback like that I'm not sure how productive we're going to be at this late hour.
I agree with it. Thank you for doing that, James. For sure.
Let's all what I urge of my colleagues let's really take that seriously and I'll weigh in with specifics.
Okay Councilmember reports? Anybody have anything to report?
I'm sorry.
Yeah go ahead Bill.
Actually, I have an appointment to speak with Mr. LeVere about some county issues tomorrow on the phone. One of them being this sort of ongoing and developing situation with solid waste management in the county that has implications for the entire county in terms of The struggle over where tons go and how they're handled, and how they're picked up. And so on and so forth while still being in compliance with especially the diversion mandates that are getting very very close for things like a diversion of organic food waste and get it out of landfills and into digester And there's just a whole lot of problems with that. In terms of the right-hand not knowing what the left hand is doing in the county, frankly some problems with cities that are kind of have their head in the sand about these compliance mandates very different from the city of Ojai.
So I... There's gonna be more to report on that with the Ventura Regional Sanitation District but there's a real struggle going on right now in terms of prioritizing a sustainable model for solid waste handling in the county. So I just want to point that out, all that we've been talking about is operating now on many different levels and all of us on this council, I think increasingly find ourselves in the county participations that we have in our representations where we are We're raising the sustainability vision, you know more effectively than any other group and I'm really proud of all of us for doing that on the.
I was given an example of the foam versus plastic balls for pickleball. I'm going to bring them to city manager and I just, you know, I was asked to say that I am gonna bring that for consideration, you know? The ongoing pickleball matter it's worthwhile talking about. I don't know James have you seen the regulation softball compared to the hard plastic ball? Yeah, yeah we tested those out a while ago. I'll bring it to you i was just given the material um i uh i have requested uh and i and i appreciate the city manager passing on the request that the county tell us how much revenue they're getting at the boardman entry for Sewell Park And the reason for that is that when we have that number, then we can look at as our revenue, as our liquidity improves.
The possibility of what it would take to basically indemnify the county to maybe ask them to allow us to use the Sewell Park Boardman entry for our recreation programs that are you know, we're really constrained with in terms of facilities. People have been wanting to talk about dog park more pickleball And I just be very interested to see what that revenue number is in terms of what opportunities that might allow.
So and the other thing is, I've also expressed to Mr. Vega, I am also concerned about the planters on the Camarillo and well I think we really need take a hard look at it.
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Yeah, yeah we are. Currently I think Public Works was actually out today removing a couple planters and looking at the armadillos so we are looking at those right now.
You're breaking my heart.
Any other council member reports?
I don't know if those are reports but thank you Bill
I participate in the Ventura County Museum of Art. It was a panel discussion a couple weeks ago, women taking the lead and it was really, really inspiring so many newly elected women council members and mayors. And it's just, it's just a really wonderful event to hear from all these incredible people. So next meeting invited Tiffany Morris to come Our incredible superintendent to talk about the last year in COVID and all the wonderful work she's done to support our kids.
That's my report, anybody else?
Susan? I guess this counts as a report. I do spend quite a bit of time observing what goes on in Maricopa And I don't know if, I'm always there at the wrong time because whenever I'm there everything just looks peaceful. I walk my dogs it's all peaceful. I try to go, I want to go when school starts. I haven't done that but I was there all different times of the day and I go almost every single day because my daughter lives in Miners Oaks and I babysit everyday So I have, I deliberately take that route.
And sometimes I'll take El Roblar, sometimes I'm coming down Maricopa and everything just looks smooth, okay? And there's often families riding their bike it's just Seeing what people are reporting. But when James, you said you were going to reach out to James Olson I would like to know exactly what happened and I will be out there with other members of the Complete Streets Committee considering how we can make that area safer just want the public to know that. But I am spending time there as well just observing everything.
Mayor, if I could make one comment about that?
Sure,
Bill.
You know, Susan, how committed I am to the basic principle but I want to make an analogy. It used to be standard that you put those concrete curb stops in parking stalls like at large parking lots and then it turned out that people were in the interior of the parking lots not the ones up against curbs You know, Ryan's gonna appreciate this. People started tripping on them and then people started suing because they tripped on them in the middle of parking lots I see Matthew and Ryan both smiling. The point is, is that now you really don't want to have those things in the middle of parking lots because the utility that they give you in terms of wheel stop in the interior of a parking lot doesn't match the risk of having that obstruction for passage.
And I think that's why we need to think about the armadillos and the planters.
I just want to say I've never represented anybody who tripped over one of those things in the parking lot.
I'll send you some of the cases, Ryan. I work across the street from a parking lot that has enough holes in it that you don't need any of those bumpers to fall down in so maybe this thing will get fixed at some point.
It's time for the city manager's report!
No, it's not.
Oh really? We're not having a discussion, you guys. I'm sorry.
Well, I thought we were going to have a serial discussion on ATP so I was gonna throw my two cents in
No, sir. It's time for James. Go ahead, James. My mistake, Randy.
Susan's mistake. So just two quick updates. One was we on consent today approved the emergency preparedness day for May 27th so we will be starting to put information out and news blasts on that and what will all be involved. We'll plan to have presentations from police fire And other organizations as well. And so that was one the other is that the city issued an RFP at the end of last week for the redistricting demographer, and the reason I mentioning it is I think this is probably the first time we've mentioned that there's going to have to be potentially new districts drawn.
In light of the census, new census results. But that's something that we'll be bringing back to council and will be probably discussed multiple times because it's a long process and there will be several public hearing opportunities as well but just to draw attention to the if anybody's wondering why an RFP went out for that anybody from the public That went out and that will be part of this process going through the city council in coming months.
I have a quick question, um. I mean, isn't it usually is an emergency preparedness? Usually a week because you got all kinds of different things going on at different places rather than just 1 day. I mean, I don't want to make it too big, but. It would seem to me like 1 day is kind of. I mean, I don't know. It just seemed like it's not you know but oh it's Wednesday and then by the time Wednesday is over you're not doing anything right? Like it's a whole like you know um...I would think we'd have a week of different things we could do as concerned as we are about it especially fire at this point but I just anyway I just thought I'd bring it up.
Yeah that's that's yeah that's a good point. I think for us we're planning to do a lot of like video record work. We're going to record a lot of presentations and things so we can always run all those And kind of, you know, try to stretch that out. So we'll take that feedback.
That's a good point and emergency preparedness is every day so I gotta do. All right any future agenda items? Randy?
I just wanted to ask James that ATP is coming back on the 27th am I correct?
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Trying to kind of figure out the timing of it, but that there is an item coming back from Public Works on some approvals and things. So that could be done on April 27th. And I guess if there's questions on like the armadillos and planters we can tie those in as
well. What I'd like to do is suggest that we break that conversation into two parts And that would be a re-demonstration activity on 33. And then an actual discussion on what's taking place on the 150, along with Greg's request for whatever he's going to request for. So maybe it's three parts.
And that follows up. Remember we gave previous direction especially the pedestrian crossings I believe.
Yeah okay yeah we could do those three parts got it great
And I saw in your city manager's report, we're going to have an hour. We have the Caltrans permit for the brewery now?
Yeah, yes and so we got the Caltrans permit issued for the curb cut right in front of Topa Brewery and the RFP for that or bids for that are going to be coming to one of the next two council meetings.
Great question. So we're going to bring the earth friendly pest management policy back In May, is that right Mayor Sticks?
Yes and we'll discuss it with James. I'll talk to James about it. Anything else? All right well thank you all for a lovely evening and meeting and have a beautiful night and we will adjourn.