City Council — 2021-10-26

Oh I see him on the screen. Council Member Francina? Here. Council Member Haney? Here as usual.

commission reports.

I don't, Gil has anybody registered for commission

reports? I see Mr. Quillacy on here. Let me open this up and oh, James Hahn if you could make me co-host so I can bring Mr. Quillacy in. Oh there we go thank you. Mr. Quillacy are you here to speak during the commission reports?

No i'm here speak to the tiny homes issue later in the agenda.

Perfect, okay thank you. Okay thank you so we'll move on to public communication we have three this evening and just a reminder that this is the part of the meeting to comment on items not on the agenda because we cannot discuss them because they're not on the agenda so when you make a comment we're really happy that you're here we are not ignoring We can't discuss it, but thank you so much for being here. So we'll begin with Elodie Jane Register and then we'll go to Maya Register and then Brian Eakins.

Mayor prior to receiving comments, can we acknowledge that we are starting at 640? And there might be additional public comments as people come in between now and seven o'clock thinking that the council meeting was supposed to start at 7.

Actually, yeah. Thank you Randy it's 630 remember we changed to

say six three. Yeah. Well then I stand corrected thank you.

Okay, thank you. All right. Elodie, are you ready? We're getting some help.

So I'll be a son of a gun. Let me get a monitor for you.

Hello, my name is Eldie Register and I live in England. I come to Ojai every year and this year I've noticed lots more animals in the city. For example, in my grandparents' garden there are lots of deer where normally they're not. I also heard on the news that mountain lions have been hurt on the highway. My question is what is the council's position on animals being displaced by climate change like in our current drought? And how can we keep them safe?

Thank you, Elodie. Much appreciated. Mayor may I make

a short comment?

Of course.

I'm very proud of Elodie and soon to hear from Maya my granddaughter as I wanted to mention that Elodie started a GoFundMe site to clean up get pledges for cleaning up litter and planting trees so i'm very hopeful for the next generation's environmental awareness.

Wonderful inspiring all right uh next we have Maya Register then Brian Akins and then Bill Miley

Come on, Maya. Speak up!

Hello, my name is Maya Register. I had to go to the hospital here last weekend. The doctors and nurses were very nice but the hospital was so cold that I was shivering. Can it please be just a little bit warmer? Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Maya Next we have Brian Akins

You got to follow that, Brian.

Actually I'm punting because I have the number six on that blue card next to what I'm going to speak on it.

Oh, I'm sorry.

That's okay. Yeah, okay nevermind you want to be back for a commissioner report and comment on.

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Okay next we have Bill Miley.

Good evening. I want to talk about the article in the LA Times on something about that haywire earthquake fault particle, which was huge and the haywire fault that goes all the way down California but principally in the Bay Area. Besides reading the article, I read the six page summary on the US Geological Survey website, which I linked to you in my email. It was impressive about the kind of power outages and long disruptions that might occur.

In my memory, I thought of past city discussions of having a solar site in Ojai for green energy off-the-grid supplies as Chris Stanch of the Wildfire Council says, a micro grid Maybe we should discuss this again soon. Thanks.

Thank you, Mr. Miley. Gail, any public communications on Zoom?

Let me ask if anyone is in the Zoom queue who would like to speak during public communications, if you can use the raise hand option and raise your hand I'll call on you. And nobody's raising their hand.

Okay, thank you Gail. All right we'll move on to the consent calendar a motion to approve everything

approval. Second.

Right. All right. I'm all in favor. Great. All right, thank you. All right we'll move on to number two the public hearing it's the second city council redistricting public hearing received input from residents regarding communities of interest. So we'll get to talk about software that we're using and James you have a presentation

Yes, they're actually I didn't expect us to get through the first items so quickly. It's

Maserati night it's right.

So we actually have a time certain of seven o'clock for this item because it's illegally required public hearing, we had to set a time and we cannot start the item before that time. My recommendation or request would be that we would go to another item and then start the redistricting public hearing after that item. Okay,

and I'll just add that requirement is part of the new Fair Maps Act, the new state law governing the redistricting process that dictates that these hearings started at a precise time

Okay, great thank you. All right well let's move on to number three discussion item it's the second reading and adoption of an ordinance amending accessory dwelling unit requirements to create a two-year pilot program for tiny house regulations in the ADU so James is there presentation on this?

And we'll keep it brief but of course will answer any questions. We have discussed this item, a few times over the last couple months at city council meetings. And so I won't. Completely revisit it but the, the ordinance is an ordinance that essentially allows movable tiny houses to be allowed within the city, a limited pilot program of 10 tiny homes per year for two years.

That would treat those tiny homes as at us. Accessory dwelling units, which means that the they can be added on to a property as long as their accessory to a primary structure and behind between the primary structure and the rear setback. So in other words, a movable tiny home would be allowed in in a backyard. The tiny homes would be required to be built uh to certain standards and reviewed by the community development director and the building official to ensure those standards are met.

The key standards that we talked about at the last council meeting is, we've included some additional fire hardening requirements such as requiring a class A roof and requiring that they be built to what is called the NFPA They will have those additional fire hardening standards. Other than that, they would be essentially be tiny houses built or I'm sorry. Well so let me scroll quickly.

Other than that, so that's the ordinance that's returning to council. Again it's a two-year 10 tiny home per year maximum pilot program for movable tiny homes within the backyard. So with that we'll answer any questions but that is the basics of the ordinance that's being presented for adoption. It was introduced at the last meeting

Okay. Any questions? And just a reminder, staff questions are just questions so let's make sure we don't start opining during this point and save that for deliberation or discussion. Any questions from anyone? No. Ryan? Nope. Public comments? Yep, Gail any public

comments? So I believe Mr. Quillacy said that he would like to speak if there's anyone else also in the queue um in the zoom queue if you would raise your hand I'll go ahead and call on you and I'll bring Mr. Quillacy into the meeting to speak thank you Mr. Quillacy you should go you should be able to speak now go ahead

Yes, thank you Gail. With regard to these I note that in the text of the resolution and therefore the ordinance that the tiny homes on wheels on permitted foundations are ADUs and they are separate residential dwelling units from the primary as I understand the law and the regulations of the various agencies involved here in the Ojai Valley. This means, and they are classified as newly constructed ADUs that is they are not conversions of existing structures like you might change a garage into an ADU.

So because they are newly constructed ADUs, they will be subject to a capacity charge from the Ojai Valley Sanitary District. Second, and even with proportional rates we're talking about a substantial amount of money. Second my understanding of the bond that was voted in to allow Casitas Water District to purchase Golden State water That bond is being paid off not on a parcel basis, but on a residential unit basis.

If I'm wrong please someone correct me, but I believe that is correct and that would mean that addition of an ADU in particular this type of ADU would mean that the parcel owner will now owe two payments per month on the water bond rather than just one. Thank you very much for your time.

Thank you, Steve. Any other comments Gail? No further public comments. Okay we'll start discussion

I'm just going to, you know we've discussed this at length. I think that Mr. Quillacy's comments are correct but they apply to any ADU of the newly constructed type so it's not specific to tiny homes. So i'm gonna just try to cut to the chase and move approval see where it goes

Okay, I would. I'm just going to say and be consistent with what I have been saying the last couple of meetings, I'm not comfortable voting yes on this because I believe that we if we do this outside of the ADU law and make a brand new ordinance for the city of Ojai that we can deed restrict the tiny home pad and prioritize their availability for very low and extremely low income households. This avoids tiny homes becoming apart of the larger state mandated gentrification machine.

And I'm going to hang in there because, um, I think it's possible. So do you have a motion?

We have a motion and I'll second Councilman Wyrick's motion. And now can we open it up to comments?

I want everybody in our public

discussion.

Public

discussion, yeah my

concern is have excuse me when we yeah we have public comments we're on discussion we're closing the public hearing yep yeah you just wanted to be clear okay

okay

do you have comment

yes i do so we've we closed the public hearing we had a motion and a second but we're going to have a final discussion So I'm glad that Mr. Quillacy brought to the attention to all future residential owners in the community, residential house... I might wanna word this right but personal owners that they should expect an increase in their in that utility rate for the buyout of the Golden State Water District. So I think that's important that he brought that up, in fact, I'm glad he did because none of us did so I think it's important that the community know that.

Two, I just had one question. The tiny homes were specifying they have to be on a frame that's movable Does that mean that the access that we're allowing these future ADUs and tiny homes to be moved into someone's backyard has to be motorized, getting it there? Or can it be craned into the backyard?

The ordinance allows for either by not being specific. So it could be craned with appropriate insurance and permits in place for a crane. Okay. That was my only question, Mayor.

I'd like to comment on that. These are not always easy to move, they can be very challenging to move and that's very important for the public to know because they could be larger than the gate to the backyard for example so for anyone tuning in late what we're basically passing is It's an attractive small house, but instead of it being on a foundation, it's on a movable foundation. But the criteria in the ordinance is that it looked like a very attractive aesthetic small house with a deck and all the regulations that apply to other accessory dwelling units will apply to these types of tiny houses.

Thank you.

Any other comments,

Ryan. Good.

No I will say that the, you know i i think at one point, Councilman rain and I did bring up that and that's a disappointing part about the measure. The bond is that it was. I think it was actually a mistake on Casita's part that they included the by unit charge where they didn't actually mean to which is incredibly frustrating. But, yeah, I think, I think Mr close you made a good point. We are very concerned these aren't going As inexpensive as some people think, but it is an opportunity to find another way that other people might be able to find more housing. And even if it's not as inexpensive as we wish it could be, it is another option and gives people some more flexibility and trying to add housing in a community that doesn't have a lot of space for it.

And it's definitely a lot cheaper than trying to build a new home. So I'm all for the adding some flexibility. This is a pilot project. Let's see if it'll work was my opinion. And if it doesn't, we can always modify it or change it later. I agree.

Okay, great. All right, thank you very much. It is 10 till seven we can move on to number four, James? Yes it's still too early for number two. Okay and actually we have one more public comment Dr. Halvorson. Thank you.

Maybe we give Dr. Halverson the 70 minutes here and that way we'll be ready. Jim you can speak till seven enjoy yourself.

Well, good evening. I appreciate the opportunity to take, I realized I have three minutes it may take five and if you need to say time, I'll talk faster but I'm here basically just to provide my medical opinion on COVID-19 and mostly focus on vaccinations. I had the opportunity to hear some comments a couple of weeks ago and felt that it might be nice to present a physician's point of view also. So my qualifications, I've been a board certified family doctor for almost 40 years. I've lived in Ojai and worked here since 1987.

Our practice which we have five providers has about 5,000 patients who live or work here in Ojai so I know a large percentage of the people who live here I'm very interested in this pandemic, I've written over 60 articles for the Ojai Valley News. Neutral. I spent several hours each week researching those articles. I feel like I know where to go to get proper information, at least information that I feel very comfortable with.

I'm not a vaxxer and I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I've got a large number of my patients in the practice who don't want any vaccines. They're still my patients. I don't condemn them. I try to educate them about the values of vaccines but I certainly don't hold anything against people who don't get vaccinated. I'm not in favor of vaccine mandates for kids 18 and over who are in school, but I am in favor of vaccinating those kids.

I know that our School Board has no legal authority to go against the state requirement that all students will need to be vaccinated eventually and likely that's going to be happening beginning in the fall semester of next year. Briefly here are facts, then I'll get to vaccines. A, masks are effective. They reduce aerosol spread. The university I graduated medical school from, Duke University along with several others did some very fine studies that clearly showed that aerosol spread is markedly reduced by masks.

B, social distancing works. I hope that's not controversial anymore. Think of COVID-19 being spread like smoke When we speak, our aerosol goes out. It's much safer to be outside and if you're inside it's much safer to be farther away from people I hope that's not in question anymore. Three vaccine works vaccines work if you look at the current numbers in Ventura County which are all available at www Ventura county recovers.org The current case rates in our county are nine cases per day for a hundred thousand, which is about equal to 77 new cases per day. The rate for unvaccinated individuals is 17 per 100,000 and the rate for vaccinated individuals is four per 100,000.

The lowering of rates has been shown across all age groups and it's broken down if you want to go to the county website Including recent data that was submitted by the FDA for five to 11 year olds, that vaccines are effective at lowering case rates. In Ventura County specifically of the 537,000 people in the county that have been vaccinated fully there have been 3844 breakthrough cases which is a rate of about .7 per 100 Of those, 190 or about one in 3,000 individuals fully vaccinated have had to be hospitalized and 36 or about one in 15,000 vaccinated individuals have passed away unfortunately.

The vaccines never were touted as being 100% successful in preventing disease nor were they touted as being 100% successful in preventing severe illness or death but they are very successful in doing that As a result of mandates, whether you agree with them or not in the state of California. California currently has the lowest rate of cases in the nation at 61 cases per 100,000. The average in the United States is 151 cases per 100,000 and four states Montana, Wyoming, Idaho and Alaska which are the four highest are over 450 per hundred thousand or about seven and a half times the current California Vaccines are widely accepted worldwide because this is a world wide pandemic. 3.8 billion individuals have been vaccinated, three billion of them are fully vaccinated in the United States 190 million are fully vaccinated which is almost 60% of our total population and Ventura County 81% of eligible individuals have had one dose And about 75% are fully vaccinated.

This includes 83% of the people who live in the Ojai Valley and the 93023 area code, and 76% of those people are fully vaccinated. In addition, in the county 67% of kids age 12 to 17 are now fully vaccinated. And also a recent study released showed that approximately 65% of parents of five through 11 year olds will get their children vaccinated when the vaccine is approved by the FDA vaccines are safe and I apologize, I know my past three minutes.

There are two main symptoms that we do to, or two main systems that monitor this. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System or VAERS which is co-sponsored by the CDC and the FDA and is available to all individuals who've been vaccinated they're able to self report any side effects. We also have the Vaccine Safety Data Link that is overseen by the CDC Immunization Safety Office. This data link system has been in place for years and it's monitored the safety of other vaccines Currently, the data link has looked at millions of people who've received the messenger RNA vaccines and specifically a 23 serious outcomes very serious outcomes including heart attack respiratory failure anaphylaxis Guillain-Barre syndrome blood clot stroke and heart inflammation.

With the messenger RNA vaccines, only heart inflammation with a rate of about 6.3 cases per million in males were increased to patients in that group. Required ICU admission, no deaths were reported fortunately. With the J&J vaccine venous thromboembolism which you're well aware of from several months ago which caused unfortunately strokes and blood clots in primarily women between the ages of 18 to 50 as a rate of 7.5 per million. Of course, there are many, many less severe reactions reported including pain, redness, swelling at the ejection site, fatigue, headache, muscle aches, chills, fever, nausea.

Most of these symptoms do go away within 48 hours. It is very true that younger and this is why I do not recommend vaccine mandates For students, age 18 or below. It is true that younger individuals are at very low risk for serious disease or death from COVID-19 In fact, boys aged 12 to 15 are at least as likely if not more likely to get cardiac side effects from the vaccine than actually to be hospitalized from COVID-19. Remember though that the risk of cardiac side effects in this age group is about 1.6 boys per 10,000 boys immunized so it is not high and of that about one in 20,000 boys will be hospitalized because of the cardiac side effects Importantly, and the reason I favor vaccines for children on kids under 18 is that these children still serve as a reservoir for the virus which allows the virus to continue to perpetuate and be exposed to people who are more who could become more seriously ill.

And the longer the virus continues to be in the population, the further chance of developing future mutations exists. So I think it is important to try to lower the risk and the prevalence of the disease in this younger age group although it does not seriously affect them. I currently have a two-year old grandson who has COVID-19 and I will tell you even though he's not very sick It is very scary when your daughter calls and says your two-year-old grandson is home with 102 fever and a bad cough, and just got positive for COVID-19. I don't recommend that feeling for anybody. Fortunately we got a picture of him today. He was sitting inside the dryer smiling so I think he's doing better.

Thank goodness! That was day five in my office with several thousand patients vaccinated I hear about self-reported minor side effects all the time. I am automatically notified of any one of my, all of my patients who are seen at the emergency room for any reason and who are hospitalized. Of the 5,000 or so that have been vaccinated in my practice not by me but by public health or pharmacies. I have had we have had three patients who've gone to the emergency room because of vaccine reactions we've had non hospitalized and no one has died now that's only 5000 people but that's 5000 people in Ojai so I think that's at least representative of my experience in this office.

I do want to emphasize also that it's very obvious, unfortunately the mask requirements are going to continue for a while. The current guidelines just released by our public health officer say our case rate has to get down to seven cases per 100,000 or lower Although our, our vaccinated people already read I have reached that case rate unfortunately are unvaccinated are still at 19th or 100,000 and it's going to make it harder to reach that case rate.

That's one of three criteria the second is that our hospitalizations have to get down to less than they currently are which is 20 to 30 in the ICU. And third, we either have to have eight weeks past since the COVID-19 vaccine is authorized for emergency use authorization for five to 11 year olds which I just heard today the FDA advisory committee recommended that it be approved by the FDA and then it has to be approved by the CDC. So at least looking at another eight weeks from early November or If we reach 80% of our county residents fully vaccinated, that will meet that criteria. Unfortunately it's 74.3%, and with a large amount of people that are not going to get vaccinated I think it'll be hard for us to reach that prior to eight weeks from now so we likely will still have mask mandates into January And even when those mask mandates are stopped, they're gonna be stopped for vaccinated people.

Unvaccinated people as was the case back before the masks were put into place were required to still wear masks indoors so it will continue to be there will continue to be mandates likely for a while for people who are not vaccinated. Thanks for letting me go way over my time I appreciate all of the things that all of you do And know, most of you personally and admire all of you.

I do want to be very clear in understanding for the record because I know everybody up here understands it that our city council does not have the right to tell our school district to not vaccinate kids only At the state level, if people have a concern about that they need to take their concern to the state that issued that mandate. And also our city council can talk to the public health officer and say that they feel that Ohio shouldn't follow the current mandates that keep us masked for another couple of months but only the public health officer can change that rule not our city council. Our city council has plenty to do And I think I do approve of the statement that I've heard so many times and is so not true in this pandemic, is politics does not belong in health care.

Thank you very much.

Thank you. All right, we will move on to number two the public hearing. This this is the second city council redistricting public hearing to receive input from residents regarding communities of interest. So you have a presentation James

Yes, thank you. And before we start I will note. We are holding these public hearings bilingual so anybody who is interested in participating in Spanish. You can click the globe button at the bottom of the zoom, zoom screen and you can participate by hearing in Spanish and also sign up to speak, and they'll be able to translate for that as well. So, And in the, you know, and that's part of as the city attorney mentioned earlier the fair maps act and specific requirements that we have to meet in our process for redistricting. So it's part of that this is the second public hearing of four that will be required In our redistricting process as kind of just a reminder we go through the redistricting process every 10 years to reflect any changes in the census.

And so, we're going through it now and we would go through it again and most likely in 2031. And so this is the redistricting following the 2020 census. And so, one of the things we try to do during these public hearings as we give the opportunity for the public to make comments regarding what are called communities of interest which are groups of like people that can be brought together for representation In these public hearings, and also via a forum on our redistricting web page. Anybody can submit comments about their, their community of interest and and submit that to the city for consideration as part of that redistricting process.

And so, along with that kind of the next step in our process is the city. When we went through our redistricting proposals and selected our partner which is redistricting partners for the redistricting. The city also obtained some software called district our software that allows residents to actually go in and draw maps and submit those maps. And so today, Gabriella from redistricting partners is here to explain that software and give a little information because it is going live and people can start using it now in anticipation of the next two public hearings which will be in January and February.

And so with that, I'm going to turn it over to Gabriella.

Sorry, I think I was on mute. Thank you so much James for that introduction. Give me a second. I'm gonna share my screen. Can you see my screen all right?

Yes, thank you.

All right great. All right well as James mentioned my name is Gabriela Morales and I am one of the redistricting managers with Redistricting Partners. We work with the city to provide data and outreach. As James mentioned a big part of redistricting is including community of interest input So thank you so much for coming because your input and your voice is so important to this process. Public input is pivotal to redistricting, and I hope that you will all submit some of your input whether that be today or in person online there's so many ways to submit your input.

And the reason we rely so much on public input is that way we can draw lines in a way that is fair for as many people as possible. So, as James mentioned, the city does have a software available called District R and this is a public mapping tool to allow residents to draw their own communities of interest. I will go over the demonstration a little later after going over some data points So something about the map submissions is you can go to District R and submit a map.

And the two types of input you can do are a community of interest map, which is you can do from now all the way through the end of the process and district plans based on 2020 census data. So this began at the release of the data. The final census data came out in September And you can continue to submit maps based on census data all the way through the final adoption.

So currently this is what the city of Ojai looks like these are the current lines, you can see district one through four. This may look familiar to some of you. And here is some of the data that was collected through the 2020 census this year. As you can see, district one is over deviation. So one of the things with in the Fair Maps Act is that we want to have districts that are of equal population and so getting to that number we created Some data from the census. And so if you see District 1, it is over 5% deviation. So in order to make an equal population and to have the same exact number or close to throughout all the districts, you would have to take out 95 people out of the district And then district two, it is under populated by 4.9%.

And district three is underpopulated by 8% and district four overpopulated by 7.9%, so one thing to also know is that the deviation number right here in the middle is not population growth or population decrease, but rather it is the number that is away from having equal population throughout the districts.

And real quick, Gabrielle I'll note. We are watching on a TV that's some distance away so the fine print is difficult to see so I will what we'll do is we'll post this presentation on the redistricting web page and we'll send it out as well tomorrow but But I think the point that the software and the presentation has data on the showing the different districts in the populations of demographics is well taken.

Absolutely, thank you James.

I'm sorry, one second dear. All's I'm trying to say is that what you're...I think what you're trying to point out is if someone who's going to use these maps to draw districts that they need to be thinking about the number of individuals in each of these districts and I think that's what you'r e trying to show on these graphs that none of us can see but I think it's important that someone who's drawing or drafting their own understands that premise

If I could add one more point to that Council Member Haney well put, not only think about the numbers but think about the reality that the four districts that are drawn need to be roughly equal in population. And that might mean that in fact it does not mean equal an area or equal and perceived area. It's about census data population and our populations is not evenly distributed so we're gonna end up with smaller littler districts.

And then I'll turn it back to Gabrielle to sort of provide an overview. The other issue is the existing deviation is too high So the current maps could not be maintained exactly as is.

Yes, thank you for that and something to think about is although this is census data when we were gathering population so as you can see down here as well or maybe not I'm sure the screen is a little smaller over there But down here we are also talking about citizen voting age population so when we were gathering this data. This is it's not just about who was a voter we're talking about people, not necessarily citizens or voters, this means that you know, a child of Five years old is just as important as somebody who's 75 years old. So anybody living in the city and in a district, is just as important no matter status or age or eligibility to vote.

So if we're looking here coming back to the deviations, we are shy of 15.9% of deviation. And the way we got this number is by adding together The absolutes of the lowest deviation and the highest deviation. So, the district with the lowest deviation is District 3 and the district with the highest deviation is District 4. You can look at the lines a little closer here. Here's District 1.

You can see here with the census, this is the data collected for race and ethnicity. We have other Latino, Asian, Black. And then this, the bottom bars are for citizen voting age population. And down here at the very bottom is the same thing we saw on the last page but specific to District 1. And here the same thing with District 2. And District 3 here as well. And finally, here you have District 4.

Can I ask what that hole is?

The hole?

The hole in four, the white hole.

That's a hole in the city limits. Oh, at city limits? Yeah the city has not annexed the parcel in the middle there which I confess I forget off the top of my head what it is. I think it's one of the ag

parcels. Oh I see the square up here

yeah on the right on the screen

So yes, that is an unincorporated area. So when we are...

Can I

ask a

clarifying question? Yeah. It would make sense if that was ag because if it wasn't, that would just be so logical to annex in. Yeah.

Obviously annexation's not on tonight's agenda but I believe it's an ag parcel and we can confirm that. There's nothing else for folks to understand but they're looking at the mapping process But it is obvious our boundaries are irregular.

Yeah,

welcome. Thank you for that clarity. All right so I think James went over the timeline a little bit but this is the timeline for the upcoming outreach meetings. So tonight we are having a community outreach meeting going forward January 11th. It will be the introduction of the first set of maps February 8th is the introduction of the final maps. And then on March 8th, your council will vote on the final maps.

How about

let's let Gabrielle finish and then we can have questions?

Yeah okay I was just going to ask if whether she would put all those districts together for us to see those proposed that she just did

oh yeah absolutely i can put that back up at the end of So some feedback that we are asking from the community and asking what changes you would like to see, or what community points of interest should stay together. Are there areas that you would like to see in separate districts? And what areas could be moved to another district to help balance population? So as we talked about earlier, there's some districts that maybe have too high of a population right now or too low of a population to have equal and balanced districts. So, looking at where can population be moved is really good too. And the map you're asking about here it is.

And that is all I have for you so if you have any questions, I'll be happy to take them now. Thank you Gabby. Questions? Nope.

Okay, thank you very much. Appreciate that. And we'll go ahead and open the public hearing. We have one comment Jeffrey Starkweather.

Before we move on I just want to ask if this is a good time to do the district our presentation or if you want to take public comment first?

If I could recommend, I think we would suggest demonstrating the software first and then taking public comment. That way the public comment can get a sense of what the software looks like.

Yeah. OK. Thanks, Jeffrey. One moment. Sorry, Jeff. We'll get to you.

All right, perfect. Can you see that all right? So this is the District R website for the city of Ojai. It's districtr.org slash event slash Ojai, and you'll know you're in the right place when you look up here and it says in big letters tag Ojai. So when you get to the page, you'll see a lot of information just about redistricting and why it's important. If you go down a little further, you'll see two options here The first option is to build districts based on 2020 census and the data. And then the second one is drawing maps based on community of interest, so your voice and your opinions on why your community is a community. And truly if you can make the argument that your community of interest is a community of interest it likely is a community of interest Down here if you scroll down a little further, you'll see public galleries.