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Thanks James.
Thank
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Thank
You Gail welcome to the January 11th 2022 meeting of the Hawaii City Council. James will you do the pledge for us please?
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Thank you James and may we have approval of the agenda? I guess we need a motion to approve since we are online.
I'll move to approve.
Okay, great. I will second that. Will you maybe have the roll call please Gail?
I'm sorry can you hear me now?
Yes.
Thank
you. Mayor Stixx, point of order. Let's not forget that part of the approved agenda was a moment of silence
We actually are not going to do that.
Okay, but we weren't we gonna have a discussion? Yeah
thank you Bill I'm getting that to that right now. We don't have any presentations tonight um i do want to give everybody the opportunity to say anything about our beloved treasurer city treasurer Alan Raines who passed away right before Christmas and um a real Ojai living treasure and uh beloved to so many in our community And we were fortunate enough to be able to present him with the Historic Preservation Lifetime Achievement Award in the meeting in December, which was really a great honor. And just personally I just it's always so touched by Alan's warm sincere smile and genuine huge heart and just his amazing desire to be of service. So anyone like to add anything?
Bill?
Yeah, I really appreciate it. Alan didn't like to have a fuss made over him. He just liked to contribute to the community, you know? And I think it's so fitting we just have a chance to talk about him a little bit because I will always remember that we were able to give him that Lifetime Award, that he told a great story and contributed yet another piece of knowledge about Ojai history at that meeting And I just talking with him over the years, Alan was always just he was just always so I think just always just in the frame of mind of contributing to the community.
The work that he did for years as city treasurer was very, I mean right up until unfortunately his passing he was contributing to the oversight of the city's finances. Obviously all that he did with the institution of rains it's just hard to say enough about how much we're gonna miss this gentleman and I know I will very much
Thank you, Bill. Randy?
Mayor, I'll keep mine simple. You know, I believe that in life there's givers and there's takers. And Mr. Raines was definitely one of the givers in this community and in life. He led by example He, he cherished this community. He gave back a tremendous amount of time and energy and love to this community. And it was always interesting when you got to see him walking down the street and you had a second to say hi and just, just, you know, he didn't He didn't present himself as being something greater than what he was, which was just a kind man living in a beautiful community that he felt complete joy and just a great guy. So that's what I would say.
God bless him for leading the life that he did and being the example that he is for all of us.
Thank you, Randy. Susan? Oh, I want to echo what everyone said And express my condolences to the wonderful rain family. I know several of the family members and I remember meeting Alan rains when I was very young And I was extremely shy up until very recently, up until I had to run for City Council actually. Every time I would come into Raines he would always come and you know it was like he was welcoming me into the store and in retrospect I realized how very special that was He really was a wonderful, wonderful man.
So he will be very missed and I love rains. It's one of the stories I continue to support much as I can. Thank you.
Yeah, I would say echo what everyone else has said. Alan was always such a wonderful man to talk to and but I think I'll share a story. With the holidays, I was visiting my mom and I let her know that Alan had died and she was so sad and she told me a story that was just really great when I was very young when my family first moved here to town and my mom went to Raines and she was looking around and Alan came up and started talking to her And fast forward to an hour and a half later, going to the back room and learning everything about Ojai and having this great relationship. I had no idea about any of this till I brought it up over Christmas too.
My mom she was a little teary eyed but it was just amazing how that was a good 35 years ago. And she still remembered it and she just couldn't get over Just how nice and it was a big reason why they moved, ended up coming to town and felt feeling comfortable. And it had a lot to do with Alan and she was just walking through rains and ended up becoming friends for a long, long time. So I think it just goes to the character of the gentlemen who were all kind of bummed that we lost. I'm glad we got in under the wire Get that award done. That was pretty cool, but man you know to the whole rains family. You know we're so sorry for your loss and.
You know how it's not going to be the same without him.
Thank you Ryan.
Yeah, I wanted to reiterate one of the comments because I don't think people realize it. We have our budget committee meetings every couple of months. And we had just had a meeting in November, and Alan participated and insisted on being here in person so he could review all the materials. And one of the funny things that I took away from that meeting was We were talking about how interest rates were so low and that we're going to have to settle for some investments with lower interest rates. And Alan was not happy about that, and let me hear about that. So if anybody wondering he was on it even at those budget committee meetings in November.
I was fortunate enough that we had a couple of discussions back when COVID first came around, and it was something we had never seen And Alan was there to tell us he had seen everything in Ojai and that we would bear down and get through it. So he was a steadying hand for us on that, and I really appreciated it. And so he definitely will be missed.
Thank you, James. And thank you all for your kind and thoughtful comments and condolences once again to the family. Clearly Ojai has lost a treasure.
Thank
you. Moving on to
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commission reports, no commission reports correct James?
No commission reports.
Okay we'll move on to public communication and beginning of the year is always a nice time for reminders so a reminder that this is time for public to comment on items not on the agenda. So council will not be commenting, we're not ignoring you, we are listening intently though And a reminder that it's a three-minute limit, and please out of respect and fairness to everyone if you could stop talking at three minutes. That would be greatly appreciated.
Any public communication Gail?
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I will, for anyone who is here on the Zoom call from the public if you are here to speak in public communications not on any of the other agenda items. If you would use the hand raise function in Zoom and I'll go ahead and call on you. So we have Ron from the Ojai Library and I'm gonna, Ron I'm gonna go ahead and unmute you if you can You can go ahead and speak now it's Ron Solorzano from the library.
Thank you so much Gail am I coming through okay?
Yes, you are.
All right, wonderful. Good evening members of City Council. My name is Ron Solorzano and I'm the Regional Librarian for the Ojai Valley. And I just wanted to provide you tonight with a quick update on the Ojai Library's operations. So on Wednesday, last Wednesday January 5th all Ventura County Library buildings closed to the public for a planned period of three weeks as a precautionary measure to slow the spread of COVID-19.
Now during this time, all library branches including the Ojai Library will continue to offer walk-up service to customers who are picking up holds. Walk-up hours are going to be available during our normal hours of operation which are Monday through Thursday from 10am to 8pm and Friday through Sunday 12pm to 5pm. Library materials, including our computer kits with hotspot internet access and our home energy kits are all available to place on hold and to borrow.
Also online library services continue to be available 24 seven through the libraries website. These include ebooks research databases virtual story times live homework assistance and more. The library is also continuing to offer its in-person outdoor story times during this closure. Locally, those include the program at the Ojai Community Farmers Market, which we do at 3.30pm on the second Thursday of the month.
And also the weekly program at Miners Oaks Elementary School, which happens every Friday at 1030am. Both of these are story times that are still available. We do ask that folks wear a mask and social distance but those are still happening. So for a full list of Ventura County Library branches and hours of operation or to visit our e-library, please visit our website. And that's www.vencolibrary.org.
And that's all I have. Thank you so much for your time. And if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me or the staff at the library. Thank you.
Thank you, Ron. And if there's anyone else in the Zoom waiting room who wants to speak in public communications, if you would please use a hand raise function. I'll go ahead and call on you. And nobody else is raising their hand.
Okay great thank you Gail. All right we'll move onto the consent calendar. Is there a motion to approve?
Harmon Zuckerman, PB – He, Him, His): Mayor could I quick quickly just know there was a comment and I think the participant or the person is in the meeting, there was a comment about the. Item 1G, the written policy for Records Act requests. I haven't had a chance to really dig into the comment but it's not time sensitive. We were trying to adopt just a policy to provide clarity so I would suggest that the City Council pull that item and it'll give us some time as staff to review the concerns that the person raised And bring that item at a future meeting to make sure that we're all on the same page.
So I would recommend pulling Item 1G from the consent calendar for today. All right, thank you. Susan?
I'll move to pull Item G.
Okay, I'll second that. Oh sorry go ahead Bill.
May I suggest, Susie, your motion be to approve the consent calendar except for item G?
Oh of course. I knew that didn't sound right. Okay my motion is to approve the consent calendar except for item G. Thank you Bill
and I'll second that. Great thank you.
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Okay, great. All right it's 615 so we have the public hearing at 630 so let's move on to number three nomination agenda item number three nomination election of mayor pro tem James are a staff report for this
Just a very brief staff report. Every year in January, we nominate and the City Council nominates and elects a council member to serve as mayor pro tem for the next year. We typically do that early in the year and the person who is elected this is more information for the public but the person who's elected is essentially able to perform the mayor's duties in the absence of the mayor and do things like preside at the City Council meeting if the mayor is unavailable or represent the city at ceremonial and civic events. So today, the staff report notes that we've had a pretty standard process beginning by having the mayor ask for a nomination and then we have the simple process Have the council vote on that nomination. And so with that, I will turn it back over to the mayor to open it for nomination and election.
Are there any questions from Council first? I have a question. Okay, I saw Bill's hand first. Question Bill?
No question. I was gonna make a nomination.
Okay,
Susan. My question is if we were doing this on a rotating basis. Does anyone know whose turn it is?
Yes so in 20...I'll read over the last five years to now. So in 2017 Council Member Weirich served as Mayor Pro Tem. 2018 Council Member Haney If there's anyone in the Zoom waiting room from the public who would like to speak on this item, if you would use the raised hand function. I'll go ahead and call on
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Nobody's raising their hand. Okay, thank you. All right.
Thank you. I'd like to nominate Councilperson Haney for pro
tem. I'll second. Okay wonderful all right may we have the roll call please Gail?
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Thank you and I just want to say thank you Bill for all your help in the last year, I really appreciate it and look forward to working with you Randy. Thank you.
You got it neighbor.
Thank you yeah easy just meet me on the corner. All right it's 618 can we move on to number four And then at 630 we can, we can stop and go back. Is that all right with everybody? Okay. Item number four is selection of council representatives to local county and national boards.
So
yes, regional boards. Oops. Thank you. staff report and I just so it's in terms of process if how about once James gives a staff report and we get public comments and questions if we could just you know for happy with what is we just leave that as-is and just raise whatever changes we want to make. Okay, James any staff report?
Just very brief, very similar to the last staff report. Similarly in January of each year we, the city council will review the different local county and regional boards that we have appointees to and determine if any require change. We have four Ojai Valley based boards, the OBGMA, the Ojai Unified School District, the Ojai Valley Sanitary District and the Ojia Valley Green Coalition And then we have 10 county and regional boards, which are listed on the staff report. And so in the attachment, we know who is the current representative.
And yes, I would just recommend that if council wishes to make any changes to a board that we discuss those. I will track that. And then at the end of kind of that discussion, we can have one motion to approve the total list. So I'll read back the list of who's on each board. So with that, I'll turn it back over to the mayor to lead that discussion.
Thank
you, James.
Any questions for staff? Any public comment on this item? Thank you,
Gail. If there's anyone in the Zoom waiting room who would like to speak on this item if you would use the raise hand function I'll go ahead and call on you. And nobody is
raising their hand. Thanks, Gail. Okay. Would anybody like to make changes? So what? Randy?
I would like to make a trade with Sousa I will choose it if you're willing to do so. I've always wanted to be on the Green Coalition and every year I've asked, I've never been on it and I would like to trade you for the EDC.
Where's the EDC? I mean where on the list is it so I can think about it for a second?
It is on page attachment A page 204 in the middle of the page just above OBGMA and under the Animal Services Commission. So they have, EDC has a monthly meeting on the third Thursday at 3 30 p.m.
And those have been pretty much zoomed And then while you're thinking about that, just for me last year I think I took on BCOG because Ryan had difficulties getting to their meeting. So I'd like to stay on that and I'm on Gold Coast. I have no problem staying on that unless someone wants it. That was the only change that I see for myself. I don't know if that's how we're doing this but I'm comfortable with everything else.
Okay, here's my response. The Green Coalition has hardly been meeting but I think it would be great if you connected with them and told them that you're the new representative so that when they go back into action they'll contact you.
And can you forward me all their information?
Yes, yes I'd be happy to do that because i'm still in touch with them. Not as regularly as I was but pretty much in touch and I'm looking at this monthly third Thursday could I post could...I'd be happy to do it but I can't do it this month? Could I wait until February Would that work? Is there an
alternate to the EDC? There is an alternate listed as council member. Why don't I be her alternate?
Yeah, why don't i withdraw from that? Why don't I withdraw from EDC and the two of you set up as primary and alternate?
Right so Susan will be primary and I'll be the alternate and I'll take your meeting this month Susan
Thank you very much. Okay, and where is this located? Where's the meeting? Is it virtual?
Yes.
Oh I can do it this month if it's virtual. Yeah so I might as well get started. I thought I had to drive and drive and I'm just too swamped to do that. Okay all right that's great okay happy to do that
Yeah, I'm happy to step down on the alternate position. The two of you would be good on the EDC. It's a good way of knowing a lot of people in the county. I'd also like to suggest that I'd be deleted as alternate on the Clean Power Alliance. I think that Mayor Sticks and Michelle Ellison do a fine job with that and I don't think we need two alternates on that.
I'm sorry, what are you saying that you would like
to... On the Queen Power Alliance? I don't think we need two alternates on that anymore. So I'd like to withdraw as alternate on that at SW and Michelle Ellis and be you be the representative Mayor Sticks with Michelle as alternate.
Okay. I'll check in with Michelle, I'm sure she would be happy. She wants to stay on.
Can I ask
a question James? Do
you then
contact the EDC
or am I responsible for
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We would contact the EDC. In fact, I think I was emailing with Bruce Stensley today so i'll follow up with him as soon as you know tomorrow morning.
Okay great
wonderful okay. I would like to be on OBGMA and I'm going to read a brief explanation why I deeply appreciate my council colleague, Mr. Weirich who has substantial knowledge and has served on the OBGMA over the past year. We have however different beliefs on how best to increase our water reserves. I would like my colleagues on the Council to consider a few facts when deciding who should represent the City of Ojai on the Ojai Basin Groundwater Management Agency.
Established tradition was for the mayor to serve in this position. I was elected mayor with 64% of the vote. Last year, some of my council colleagues voted to have Council Member Wyrick serve in this position. While Council Member Wyrick has immersed himself in the details of what is happening with our local water supply and how best to win the water supply fight with our neighbors in Ventura, I've been researching what is happening with water supplies both locally and in the Western US.
What I've learned is that climate change and the resulting aridification are impacting our ability to capture and store water in surface reservoirs. Though over the past weeks, we have been blessed with rain and above normal snowpack in the Sierras, scientists are telling us that drought is long from over and that we will likely continue to experience extended drought and aridification in the Western U.S.. Unlike extended drought, aridification is permanent.
Over the past year while serving as a representative on the OBGMA Council Member Wyrick voted to allow two new water wells. I would not have done that. It is clear that the two of us fundamentally differ on how best to manage our water reserves considering the fact that the 20th century was anomalistically wet and that our local and regional water supply and demand systems are predicated on this wet time in geological history, I'm deeply concerned about increasing water demand until our water reserves are at acceptable levels.
I believe that whatever water we gain through conservation and increasing water capture in our watershed should be committed to increasing our water reserves in this valley rather than serving new urban or agricultural demands. It is clear that we have surpassed geophysical limits in the western US. Our water supply and reserve system are failing over the past year Lake Mead, which is along the Colorado River and the largest water reservoir in the country reached its lowest level since the Hoover Dam was built in the 1930s In the Central Valley, farmers are fighting with one another over who gets what little water is left in aquifers.
Our approach to water must radically change. The City of Ojai and many other interests rely primarily on the Ojai Basin for water when it does not rain, water levels in the Ojai basin go down quicker than Lake Casitas. We rely on water from Lake Casitas as a backup water supply when the Ojai Basin levels are low. Therefore, during extended drought these two water reserve systems are inextricably linked. Considering that even after the recent rains Lake Casita's water levels are at 35% and that is in the best circumstances it would take decades for it to fill back up. Ojai Valley Water Reserves are tenuous at best For these reasons and in the interest of honoring the will of Ojai voters, I respectfully request that I serve as City of Ojai representative for the Ojai Basin Groundwater Management Agency.
I propose that Council Member Wyrick be my alternate so he can continue his great work at the local level as I would like to collaborate with him and rely upon his institutional memory and expertise during these difficult times. Thank you. So that's
where I am there. Susan? Well, it's 630 and I would really like to hear everything that Bill has to say and not try to squeeze it before...
No, yeah. It's 629 right now so how about we switch back to the public hearing and then James is keeping this list. What
are we doing right now at
630? We have a public hearing at 6 30. That schedule
If I could jump in briefly, Mayor and Council. The issue is under the new laws governing redistricting we have to set these redistricting hearings at a precise time as opposed to the usual we'll get to it when we get to it in the order so with that my recommendation would be to pause this item take up the redistricting item and then come back to this
thank you yes I just need to know that
Okay, thank you. So we will come back to number four and we'll move on to the public hearing which is number two. So go ahead and open the public hearing number it's the third City Council Redistricting Public Hearing Introduction of Draft Maps and where we was received input from city council so James do you want to give a presentation on this?
Sure thank you and yeah we do apologize about the scheduling it's a little Strange where we have to set the precise time, but it is once every 10 years. So it's not it's not the worst thing in the world, but um we We have today and we have made available on our website and a couple of other locations. The two Kind of first draft maps. And so today will be kind of walking through the process how we got here how those maps were drawn And then it'll provide an opportunity for the city council and any members of the public who want to comment on, to be able to provide feedback on those maps as well. So, and then allow the City Council to give some direction moving forward on modifications or things like that.
So we have Kay here today from Redistricting Partners who is our partner in redistricting in the process And so I will turn it over. Kay has a PowerPoint that briefly explains the background and then dives a little more into how the maps are drawn. So, Kay, I'll turn it over to you.
Awesome. Thanks so much. I'll pull up the presentation now. All right, so my name is Kay Mount Pleasure. I am a project manager with redistricting partners and we are going to go over our draft maps for the city of Ojai today.
Okay, sorry to interrupt but I forgot to mention we do have translation available in Spanish for anybody who's watching and needs Spanish translation You just click the interpretation button at the bottom of your Zoom screen. And so I'll turn it back over to you, Kim.
Thank you, James. So first we'll just go over the agenda quickly. Um, so we're just going to go over some basics of redistricting and then go over some potential new maps for the city of Ojai. And so this presentation is a draft maps presentation. So we will not these aren't final maps. We're going to be taking feedback tonight. And we'd love to hear from all of you your feedback on these maps. So we're going to be going the over Fair Maps Act criteria our two draft map revisions and go over next steps in the redistricting process. So first, we'll go over the California Fair Maps Act and our redistricting principles that we follow with all of our clients. So first of these traditional redistricting principles They're ranked, and the first of these is that each district has to be of relatively equal size.
And when we talk about size and population, we talked about people not just citizens or voters. So when we look at census data, we're looking at a total population. We also need to make sure that our districts are contiguous. And so what that means is that districts do not hop or jump or another way to look at it as they are drawn with one line They also maintain communities of interest.
And a community of interest is really subjective and open-ended, so the way that we describe it is that it's a group of people that would benefit from being maintained in a single district. They also follow city and census designated place boundaries And we make sure that districts are compact in both appearance and function. And so when we talk about compactedness and appearance, I'm sure that when most of you think of redistricting, you think of gerrymandering in those long snaky districts, we want to make sure that we don't have districts that look like that. We're keeping them as square or circular as possible.
You know, going past different populations to pick up populations elsewhere. And when we talk about compactedness and function sometimes communities can look like they're right next to each other but maybe there is a freeway or a river that separates these communities and they don't actually feel that connected. We want to make sure that we are considering that when looking at compactedness as well.
So with more cities and counties using community-based redistricting, we are moving redistricting out into the public with maps driven by testimony from the community. So we take input from the community and it drives the process with different ways for the public to engage. We also have rules for the process that emphasize the importance of traditional criteria and minimizing divisions in neighborhoods And we also released maps for feedback. So today, we'll be seeing plans to spark more public engagement.
So we have two plans to review tonight. We have Plan A and Plan B. Each of these plans has an overview, a data table, individual district pages, and HTML web-based maps so you can really zoom in and look at where those boundaries are And they've been provided to the district and they are available on the redistricting website. So first we're gonna take a look at the current lines, so these are the lines as they stand right now.
And then we also have the data table for our current districts. So in District 1, we have a deviation of positive 5%, District two, negative 4.9% and district three, negative 8%. And district four positive nine point or 7.9%, excuse me. So the district as a whole, the city of Ojai has a total deviation of 15.9%. And we need to make sure that our deviation is 10% or lower so you will need to see some changes to make sure that we get under that 10% deviation.
And we also have individual maps of each of the districts and they're in your packet and can be brought up on the screen at the end of the presentation if you'd like. So first, we're gonna go through Draft Map A And our first map was created based on public submissions on the district or online tool. So we have listed here the IDs of those two maps that we use to help us draw a draft map, okay?
And this is what Draft Plan A looks like. So both of these districts are submissions, they moved to the northern part of District 1 into District 2 and also extended District 1 Southwest into District 4 along North Ventura Avenue. And District 4 also picks up some of District 1 and 2 in the center And District 3 maintains the same lines and the boundary along District 3 and District 4 stays the same.
And here we can see the data, we have lowered those deviations to make each district more equal in population for a total deviation of 9.3%. And draft map B is a minimum changes map. And really our focus here was just to balance population, to get under that 10% deviation. So here we can see it looks pretty similar to our current lines and it was minimum changes. So really there was only one area where we changed and that's the Eastern area of District 4 going into District 3 The original boundary was along Gridley Road and our proposed boundary is on East Ojai Ave.
So here we can see again the deviations are lower in this plan. Can I ask
a question?
Absolutely!
Can you go back, you said something about Gridley What did you say about Gridley and Ojai? Instead of it ending, instead of District 4 ending at Gridley where will it end now or what is the suggestion here? Yes absolutely.
So the current lines have District 3 and 4 boundary at Gridley Road this proposed draft map just has that changed in order to balance populations And that change just keeps it along East Ojai Avenue instead of going up Gridley Road.
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Okay, so then where on East Ojai Avenue?
What street? So the boundary along 4 and 3, it was already along East Ojai and instead of going up Going up Gridley Road, it's just extending along East Ohio.
Until the city limit you mean?
Yes exactly.
Okay so and where is Gridley going now what district?
Um, so it'll be in this
hotel right but I can't really
tell. Yeah, so let me actually. So this is the draft map three on the screen is the proposed boundary here and then go. Actually we can see that right here that change in District four and three So it used to go up, Gridley Road goes north to south. So the original or the current lines has it with that north to south on Gridley Road as the boundary and so just this draft map B is proposing that we just extend and move that area into district three.
That makes total sense. I always wondered about that little piece of gridley in District 4, that makes sense thank you. I wanted to be clear on that okay
and so as you can see here we lowered the deviations on this plan as well for a total deviation of 9.8 percent And so we're just gonna look at these draft maps again to kind of see the differences. Again, we extended that area, the district one going down and taking a bit of four and keeping three and four, the boundary there are the same and also two taking some one And then in draft B, we have everything staying the same except for three taking that portion of four on the eastern side.
And so for next steps, we have some options what we can do with this and identify tonight's We can identify preferred plans, what you all would like to move forward with and make edits on a plan that you would prefer. Again this is a draft map so all of this is a draft. So we'll take any feedback that you give us to make edits also suggesting possible changes. You don't have to just pick one plan. We can make changes to both of those plans see what we like at the next meeting and also providing direction for the preparation of new draft maps to be put out for public input and further review.
Finally, considering new draft maps that a public hearing scheduled for the next regularly scheduled council meeting. So these are our options tonight and I am happy to take any feedback that you all have or any
questions Thank you so much, Kay. Much appreciated. Questions? Bill?
Yes I was wondering...I have a comment on uh i think a problem with both of these maps with respect to communities of interest is it would it be better for us to take public comment and then get to that comment that I have? You think we can open the public hearing and then discuss amongst ourselves?
Let's take the questions and then public comments and then can we get to your comment Okay.
It's kind of a comment question, a combination of comment and question regarding I think a problem with communities of interest being neglected in one important way by both of these maps but I'll get to that later after we have our public hearing.
Any other just brief questions for Kay before we move on? Making sure I can see everybody. Nope. Okay, great. All right let's move on any public comments on this issue Gail? Item?
If there's anyone in the Zoom waiting room who would like to speak on this comment on this agenda item if you would use the raised hand function and let me know that you want to speak I will go ahead and call on you. And nobody's raising their hand
Thank you, Gail. Okay we'll go ahead and close the public hearing. Bill, do you have a comment?
Yes. We have actually years of multiple studies defining communities of interest going back to first the Sargentown planning exercise even before that in terms of the general plan They've been popped up in our looking at our urban forestry plan that we're in the process of revising. And in each of those exercises, the area more or less defined by the village mixed use zone The sort of downtown mixed-use core, most people think of it as just starting on the other side of Kenyatta and going east especially to Montgomery or to Drowne is defined as a very well identified neighborhood with certain characteristics.
And so we have a situation here where both of these plans were for example The areas east of Gridley are in part of what's defined by the VMU on the east side. We have the VMU community of interest as defined by these other studies over the years being the only strong community of interest that's divided into, in both these plans a little bit difference in definition but among three districts. If you look at these districts all the other zoning defined areas, the Arvillada area, the area east of Drowne, the Country Club area north of Grand. Those are all relatively compact in terms of identified in terms of these neighborhood communities of interest that have been defined for literally many years except for the VMU.
The VMU is the only one divided up and not maintained as a community of interest And I just really feel that this defined neighborhood, it's been done by multiple exercises in the past is the only area that really violates, I think pretty intensely the community of interest criteria. And I would like to see if it's possible to have the VMU defined as a commonality of interest in the districting process. And I think that's a real problem with the way both these maps have been drawn, and I'd like to see a plan C that focuses on how we might be able to district maintaining the integrity of that important community of interest namely the people living in the downtown core and the VMU And the businesses in that VMU.
Can I go ahead and pull up? I have it handy, I can pull up that zoning map quickly just to kind of illustrate to those who maybe aren't familiar. And so this pinkish color coding is the VMU area. So in particular Council Member Weirich, I think you're referring
area here. And if you see it, it goes from the other side of Kenyatta between Libby and Kenyatta there all the way basically to at least Montgomery but I would say that the people that say living just north of the Chaparral School along Oak, that whole corridor of Oak all the way really to Drown I think they have a sense of more of a commonality of interest than they do with people living way down in the country club area or in the Arbalada, or way east on Gridley. But we have the VMU basically divided into three parts depending on either A or B here and I think that's a real issue here of how we can if there's a way we can maintain the demographic balance But still not sacrifice this, I think real important community of interest that's centered on the VMU.
So try to keep this area together as one? As much as possible. Yeah. And even if it goes a little north or a little east or something like that, it seems like we've got some degrees of freedom in both of these and we also at least oughta look at that. If you know people that live In that area, I think they all think of themselves as a neighborhood. And plan A and plan B both really divide up that neighborhood three ways.
Yeah it is kind of that intersection right now in both of the maps where you know three or four districts all get kind of start from and get divided up so
yeah. So it sort of pinwheels out at the VMU and I just think we ought to look at if it's possible to do an exercise To maintain that neighborhood a little better in terms of a commonality or community of interest.
Yeah, we could do that assuming there's a consensus from Council to do
that. Susan and Randy? Just to see a third option what Bill is proposing with the name you know real clear with the names of the streets and So that we could really understand it. I mean, I'm just thinking about the village mixed use zone. It's in my mind and we've got Ojai Avenue dividing it so I don't know. Yeah. And
it kind of starts just on the other side of Kenyatta on the west.
Yeah,
yeah. A little bit above Oak and then east over to Montgomery and actually I think Arguably could go a little further, but I just think that's a very self-consciously defined neighborhood in a lot of ways. And I'd like to see if we can maintain it a little bit more as a community of interest.
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Can I make another comment? Go ahead, Susan. The other striking thing is how large a physically large District 4 looks but you're it's the same population correct it just so spread out. I know because I walked it. It
happens very spread out exactly.
Randy
Well, you know when I was listening to Bill talk it makes sense. And then as i'm looking at the map I was just um and then I said to myself well are we going to combine all the VMU and try and work them into one district? Because if we do it that way we're hop skipping and jumping. So what I'm hearing Councilman Wyrick would like to keep the VMU
Well,
at least do an exercise
and see what that would
mean. To above the 150 and still leave the VMU down in Sousa's group into District 4. Yeah, I think that's it. That's not... It makes sense to me as long as we're not hopping roads and all of that it just makes sense but
um... That's good feedback because that was the question I was going to ask next. So this is the heart of VMU but we do have some VMU down here
so... But I think people they don't think of themselves as much as part of that neighborhood north of the 150. The people live down there I don't think
Well, I just don't see this. Again my concern would be trying to again that's where the word gerrymander comes into play is when you start looping these weird circles into things whereas I see the intent and the reasoning behind keeping VMU above the 150 and VMU below yeah I have no problem with that. Yeah
I would
agree with that
And of the two plans, I think B is much better. It's just much easier and simpler in terms of north-southeast west cleaner lines and there aren't those that little section on the end of Gridley that's cut strangely so any other comments?
If we could just get a plan C out there to follow that.
So our plan would be bring back Plan C that tries to maintain that VMU, Village Mixed Use Community of Interest north of Ojai Avenue. Yeah.
All right. We don't need a motion on this?
No, no motions required. Consensus is sufficient to give the demographer that direction. And then it will return. And I believe it's scheduled to return at the February 8th
council meeting? Yes, so it's one month, essentially a month from now. I know it's off by a day or two. Just two other points regarding that timeline. We do have the ability to have a fifth public hearing on March 8th if we need it. Our deadline to adopt is April 17th. So we have February 8th and March 8th. We still have time to go through some options.
And one point to bear in mind, to add to the city manager's comments is if the council makes a change to a map it has to be adopted at a subsequent meeting because maps have to be published on the city's website for seven days before they can be adopted. So it forces it to be an iterative process. So this discussion is great to get direction on potential changed map but just bear that in mind. Hence we have...
We've set this early enough that we have plenty of time between now and the deadline three months from now.
Randy? Mayor, my last comment too is I know it was difficult for me. I pulled up the map and then I tried zooming in to see the district and the district lines and it was real difficult so I don't know if that's something that we're doing or Kaye if that something that you're doing but we might want to try improving the graphics so that anyone in the public can pull up a district and be able to zoom into it and still see the entire district but actually see the four um you know the the four lines that uh dictate what that area is.
Yeah and showing showing the street names I think is a something we need
yeah that was hard for me, I look you know when these got sent out I looked at them anywhere just it was fuzzy math to me I couldn't see them.
We have in your packet you should have received URL links to look at the maps on lines. So what it looks like is kind of like a Google Maps and you can zoom in and look at where all those boundaries are and see the street names, so you should have that in your packet um and uh it should be on the website as well.
Hey are you suggesting that we read our packet?
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Thank you very much Kay. Much appreciated for all your help and we will see you soon.
Absolutely,
I'll see you with some
updated maps.
Thank you
Kay.
Thank you.
Okay all right we will move back to item number four. Are there any other before we go back to the suggestions are there any other changes that anybody would like to make? Would you mind reading those? Bill.
I think I need to say something to your statement, respond to your statement. First of all, I think I should continue the way it is with myself as the designee and Mayor Sticks has the alternate. I think it's worked well. I want to make a comment on a couple things. In particular, yes there is a difference of philosophy here. There were two wells that were approved by unanimously by the OBJMA board after it was determined that they were hard rock wells and not associated with the production level of the aquifer one of the key issues that's very important to understand because the idea was just to be fair with people that were not impacting The presentation that we heard from Mayor Sticks, in fact, reveals a kind of thinking that's relatively frankly dogmatic.
And that kind of dogmatic thinking is not what we need representing the city on a very sensitive issue. A broad sweep issues where basically signaling that we're not going to prove anything anymore no matter what It's just simply not a responsible way of handling the importance of the OBJMA and the very sensitive position it's in with respect to looking at a range of issues, with respect to looking at how we Perhaps take advantage of augmenting our ability for infrastructure improvements and re-engineering our hardscape, for capture of water and recharge enhancements.
These are things that I'm working on quite intensely. I have been pulling together people in terms of a more Unified response to the City of Ventura. We're getting traction in that respect, I think with my leadership has impacted and advanced the vital interests of the city with respect to the position of OBGMA working with CMWD on our common interests I've been very involved with the in-stream flow ideas. In fact, we recently came across and again because of my involvement and familiarity with possibly we're going to have a grant application for Caltrans to implement one of those ideas.
So I think that it's important that we recognize that it is a systems approach And not a single issue approach that we need to advance and represent the vital interests of the city of Ojai and the entire valley. And I also wanna think that in response, yes Mayor you were elected to be mayor but there was not an election over who was going to be representing the city in any particular way on any particular commission. And just think at this particular juncture It's very important and I think much better serves the vital interests of the city if I continue as the OBJMA representative.
Thank you, Bill. Randy?
Mayor, you both make compelling cases and I think you both missed out on something that I believe is very important regarding OBGMA. And that's the fact that they're writing their SGMA and they've been writing it for over a year. And Bill has actively participated in that. And to maintain the continuity of that, As is important as everything else that you two both talk about. Mayor I agree with you 100% about Understanding our aquifer and understanding our reservoir.
It was five or six years ago that I went to my first Casitas Municipal Water District meeting and asked them if that was a lake or if that was a reservoir because they sure as heck had never treated it as a reservoir Um, and so that's where the struggle has been. And that's where I kind of lean on Bill is that him and I both went into this five six years ago and went into it, you know, just with everything we had.
And I think I said this last year next to Ryan. And Bill, I would say that those two are our two most knowledgeable people in this water war and these water rights and how we look at water in our community. Ryan because he represents a lot of different cases. That's why I never really nominated Ryan to be on OBGMA if he wasn't Um, especially because of what he went through with Golden State. But I just like the continuity it has, it's not personal I like the continuity of the Sigma, I like to continuity of the fight that we're in with Ventura and And that's right.
That's where I rest, you know my thoughts are continuity and again the biggest thing to me regarding OBGMA is the signal plan in the fact that it's been ongoing their first attempt was a complete absolute failure and they finally are online and they're actually getting something done and I attribute a lot of that to Councilman Wyrick
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I appreciate that. And thank you, Bill and thank you Randy for those comments and I agree Bill it comes down to philosophy we have a different philosophy here and I think that we have to save everything any water reserves we have at this point and so as the mayor has represented the people that's where I'm coming from conserve save and it does come down to philosophy.
Yeah, I think you know it's again it's a systems approach. I think I think you represent you express the one dimensional approach which is not as effective because it's a matter of balancing beneficial uses. It's a matter of being fair to everyone and it's worth pointing out that You know, I was one of the people that opposed the alternative plan that was not a proper groundwater sustainability plan because it didn't go deeply into these issues of sustainability. The current GSP does.
It includes scientific citations about the effects of climate change in the Groundwater Sustainability Plan that shows You know, the parameters under which we should sustainably manage this aquifer. And it's been submitted on time to DWR and the Department of Water Resources and hopeful that we get a good response supporting this extensive amount of work. And on top of that we also need to make sure that we have, we don't have people with agendas and I'm not talking about you on this one Mayor but people that bring agendas of wanting to favor one beneficial use after another without a scientific basis. And i've been very focused on that and I think um that's another reason that I should continue in the position.
May I ask a question? Go ahead Susan. Were you satisfied with Bill's explanation, his justification for the two wells or do we need clarification on that? You seem to think that something was amiss.
Not amiss I would not have voted for those wells. You know, I think we just have to draw the line at this point. And we are as we know, the 21st century is not like the 20th century and geophysics says it's over and over again. We need to prepare for a much drier period in our history of the planet. So you know, the 20 century was anomaly so we can't give it away anymore. We just have to draw the line. And I'm and I feel I want to draw the line
I think we're, we share the concern you expressed. I'm just not understanding from Bill's explanation it's can you explain that again even more clearly than you already did?
There's two different types of
wells.
Okay yeah that's what i want to understand. All
right there's wells that they're off in the production layer where the storage is And there's wells that do not and these two wells, in fact OBJMA has been very careful. If someone has a property and let's say they need to, they want a well for their property for the properties use then one of the things is it doesn't have any effect on either recharge are withdrawal from the production layer and both of these wells were examples that do not, do not affect the recharge and do not affect and are not drawing from the production layer. And those are the ways that OBGMA evaluates Wells and these are situations where they just, they call it, they describe them as hard rock wells that have no substantial effect or not even substantial effect. No material effect on our sustainable management of the aquifer so that's That's the basis for why the unanimous vote in both of these cases by
OBGMA. I follow now what you repeated, basically. I could follow it better the second time. So this is not something you decided on your own? It was a unanimous decision by the OBGMA. OK, thank you.
Anything else? I think we've discussed this enough. In terms of the motion, James, do you want to repeat what was said
So I think I have clarity on everything. I guess the only thing, I'm not sure. So I've heard two proposals on OBGMA. I don't know that I heard a consensus. On the others, the ones that changed, Clean Power Alliance Board Uh, we've removed one alternate Council Member Wyrick from that and it would remain with Representative Mayor Sticks and Alternate Michelle Ellison.
On Economic Development Collaborative of Ventura County we'd have representative Council Member Francina and Alternate Mayor Pro Tem Haney. And on Ojai Valley Green Coalition removing Council Member Francina Putting our appointing council member, Mayor Pro Tem Haney as the liaison and Mayor Stix is the alternate to the Green Coalition. So those three were the changes I do not have a change to OBGMA yet pending the Council decision so
Mayor, I have two questions. I don't know if you can see my hand. Did we did we keep the same reps to the sanitation district? The school board and what was the other one?
Yes so those have not been discussed so it would remain the same. I think the one you're thinking of well Ventura Regional Sanitation District is-
No, the local ones. The four local ones.
Okay. Ojai Valley Sanitary District is Council Member Blatz is the liaison with the alternate Mayor Pro Tem Haney. Green Coalition I just mentioned School District Liaison Mayor Sticks and Chamber of Commerce Liaison Council Member Blatz
Okay, thank you. I just want and then if i don't know we need a motion for OBGMA but my uh my motion that's what we're doing would be do we keep the status quo?
If I could suggest given that that motion may be a divided vote that we would take it in two pieces one would be emotion on the items for which there is consensus and then second the OBGMA appointment as I suspect that one may not be 5-0 That might make the record cleaner for everyone to understand.
So you need me to make a motion to appoint council persons as per agreed upon?
For all boards and commissions Minus OBGMA.
This is Gail, before you make a motion I just want to make sure that you're all clear on the SCAG being new on this list. Right now i've listed Mayor Sticks since she was the representative to the May meeting last year and we don't have an alternate and if you want to keep that the same then that's up to you. If you want to add an alternate that's also up to
Mayor,
how would
you like that?
Oh well and I definitely want to stay on that. It's great.
Yeah let's...I would agree with you.
They just voted to appeal 32-12 SB9 so that's exciting. So I'm good with that. Okay all right so we have a motion. You made a motion Randy?
Yes I did.
Okay we have a second. Okay all right roll call please Gail.
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Yeah,
motion to approve everything as discussed except for OBGMA.
Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 motion Randy? Yes I did. Okay we have a second. Okay all right roll call · 1 under review
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Okay, great. Thank you and before we as we move into OBGMA I'd just like to say one thing. We cannot control geophysics. You cannot control Mother Nature. We can't litigate our way around her. We can't negotiate our way around her and so that's why I want to be on OBGMA because if that's the reality. So anyway, do you have a motion Randy?
Yeah, that we keep Councilman Wyrick as lead and you as the alternate for 2022. I'll second that.
A roll call please, Gail?
Roll-call vote Passed 3–0 motion Randy? Yeah, that we keep Councilman Wyrick as lead and you as the alternate for 2022. I'll second that. A roll call · 2 under review
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What did I just say? No, you got it wrong. Did I get it wrong?
I would recommend starting that one again. I think the record
needs to be clear here. I've been called worse, Gail.
Roll-call vote Passed 3–1 · 1 under review
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Okay, thank you. All right so we don't have to have another motion that's it um all right well I want all of us to live within our water means so let's do it okay let's move on to uh number five item number five city treasurer vacancy James do you have a presentation?
Yes thank you Uh with, um as we discussed earlier with the passing of our current treasurer Alan Raines. One of the main tasks of the city treasurer is to serve as an elected check and balance on the staff and to make sure that That, you know payments and things like that are processed appropriately. So one of the challenges for us is if when that position becomes vacant we are required by state law, by government code California Government Code to fill the position within 60 days to ensure that there's you know that there is a check and balance there although The interim person is not typically elected.
But so this means that we would have to fill the city treasurer vacancy by February 21st, which does not give us much time to really seek out a lot of options and so we had to bring the item Good evening, everyone. We are going to be meeting tonight to try to get a process established so that we can proceed. There are options. So the City Council has options to choose how it would like to proceed.
It boils down to there's really two kind of simple options. One is whether to appoint an interim person to the seat who I just wanted to make a quick, um. Call for the election, um RRT place the matter. Um uh, on a special election and so because of a variety of reasons, the election costs, for example, which are not insignificant. Is the expected cost for an election.
We are recommending a, an appointment process and the City Council again can make that choice but also can identify if there's any specifics that it would like to proceed with. The process we elected is the very simple bullet point list in the agenda packet Which essentially is if council agrees to go through an election process today, January 11th. We would publish a notice of intent to fill vacancy in the newspaper on January 14th.
We would post on our various media outlets a call for applications asking anyone interested in applying for the position. And then between January 14th through 28th, two weeks we would open the application period and accept any applications from interested parties. That would leave us with about two weeks to make the appointment. So what we propose is the week of February 4th scheduling interview candidates which can either are scheduling interviews of the candidates which could be either held by the council in a special meeting or Our proposal would be to hold it by the two council members appointed to the Finance and Budget Committee for the initial round of screening.
All of the applications would still be provided to the Council, and the Council could take that recommendation from the committee but the Council would still have the option to make the final choice from the pool And so that would be scheduled for the February 8 Council meeting approximately one month from today, where we would have an item on the agenda to appoint somebody to the vacant seat at that meeting.
That is the last meeting we could appoint someone to unless we called a special meeting prior to February 21st. So it's a fairly tight time frame, which limits our options somewhat. And so that is the process we recommend in that tight timeframe. So with that, we are recommending that appointment process and I will turn it back over to Mayor Stitz.
Thank you, James. Any questions? Randy?
So James, that's a real tight timeline. If council decided tonight to make an appointment could we do that for an interim position until the November 8th election?
Could council just make the appointment tonight like if everybody agreed on a candidate? Yes I believe so. I'll let
the city attorney confirm that. Reconfirming how we structured the item on the agenda itself. Yes, if the council has consensus I think you could make an appointment tonight. Alternatively um you could of course make a nomination and vote next time but if there's consensus you could make an appointment tonight that would hold it until the November 8th election
yeah that's that's a good point I think what we would do is if council agreed tonight we can put a simple item on February or the January 18th, I'm sorry 25th agenda to just formally approve it so that it's a noticed agenda item. And
that'd be on consent?
So Mayor if we wanted to go that route I'm willing to suggest two names for tonight and let any other council person suggest a name and then we bring it back in two weeks and we actually vote on someone and make the appointment in two weeks
Let's finish with questions and then we'll take public comment. Any other questions?
Bill? Along the lines of what Randy was thinking, could we publish a notice of intent to fill vacancy Uh, and then just bring whatever names came up in that short time period to the next council meeting. And then we just make a decision among those names to try to get this done quickly? Is that also an option?
Yeah, we could do that. We could do that. The only challenge with that, but we can make it work is that the agenda comes out a week before the meeting. And so if the notice is in the paper Friday and we publish an agenda Tuesday, that's a very tight window. But we could actually accept applications up until the following week at the council meeting and just have like a link on our website that people can access to see the application. That's an option? Yeah. So it'll be a little different than how we normally do the packet, but we can make it work.
Okay any other questions? Yeah but that wouldn't um Randy could still I want to know the two names that Randy has in mind before I decide anything.
Let's take public comment and then we can discuss it the names. How's that Susan? Any public comment on this item Gail?
If there's anyone in the Zoom waiting room who is, who would like to speak on this agenda item. If you would use the raised hand function and raise your hand I will call on you. And nobody's raising their hands.
Thank you Gail. All right let's move onto discussion.
Randy? So Mayor, I'll just real quick. The two names that come to mind are the first one is Jeff Raines because I've known Jeff 20 plus years you know he's a very smart man he's just continuing to grow and to become a better human being on a daily basis. I enjoy the Dickens out of him and I obviously like the name Raines The and the continuity of that. The other candidate that I would propose would be Steve Olson who has been on, who has been almost as long as Alan reigns on the Treasury Budget Committee. So those two names come to mind real quick so Randy
have they indicated a willingness to serve do you?
I have spoken with Jeff. I have not spoken with Steve, but I just think Steve would... Again, I'd reach out to him. I think all of us can reach out to him. But again, those are just mine. I'm not trying to lead this or appoint anybody. I am just putting that out there. I actually like Bill's idea too of putting it out there into the public arena getting as many applicants as we can and making decision as quick as we can so either
or. Bill and just a reminder council members let's remember to bring it back for the chair to speak go ahead Bill
Yeah, thank you Chair Sticks. I think it's appropriate that we at least get a notice in the paper and debate for fairness and transparency but I do think we don't need to go through the whole interview et cetera process. We get the notice, we get the names, we make a decision at the first opportunity.
Susan. So when you say get the names, that means that we get a short bio and that would include if Jeff Raines and Steve Olson want to do it there they'll just be part of the names because I also like both those candidates very much yeah
but i just think they ought to fill something out and other people have a chance and then we just uh we get them all and we make a decision
And I think it's really important to get a notice out in terms of following the democratic process and to encourage some diversity and different names to get involved. And those two sound great, so any other comments?
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Mayor Stix, do you think we have a consensus
then? Seems like it. Do we need a motion on this?
No formal motion is necessary at this time. Staff will publish the notice and return with an item for an appointment at the next meeting with the name blank, and council can select as desired.
And when is it going in the paper, James?
What is it? I'm sorry.
It will go on the paper.
Yes, so we'll go into paper this Friday, which means that we would encourage everybody who's interested anybody watching who's interested to apply next week. And then it would come back on January 25th.
Okay great thank you for handling this so rapidly okay we'll move on to number six I'm number six Ojai City Hall campus and we're so excited to talk about the future of Oak Tree House and Little House, and just a reminder this is an opportunity for us to take the next step and get it ready so we can actually make some plans. So James want to?
Yeah yeah thank you yeah It's an exciting opportunity for us. You know,
the next item on the agenda is goals and I remember last year that in multiple of our goal discussions we talked about the vision for our City Hall campus and you know being able to provide More amenities and more programming to the community at our City Hall campus, and I think that this is kind of the first big step in that direction. And so I have just a couple of pictures I'll show for maybe people who aren't familiar with the campus or the buildings but Anybody who has visited our City Hall site, I think we have a very unique photogenic City Hall. We have our Smith-Hodgson estate that has been converted into City Hall and so I think it's one of kind of one of the most unique and interesting city halls I've ever been to One of the interesting things about these two buildings that are right next door to our city hall building is they are very similar in style.
It's very similar buildings, and in fact if you noticed in the packet we talk about the history of one of the buildings and it was originally the chauffeur's quarters to this Smith-Hobson house which is interesting as well. And so there's two buildings. And part of why this is coming to Council pretty quickly here is when we adopted our budget in June, like I said, we talked about our vision for the campus and programming and everything but we did not know that these buildings would be vacant and come back to the city for use. So we didn't budget for anything to be done in these buildings, we did not have designs or anything else and there wasn't a line item for us to really maintain them. And so it is a very exciting thing because of all the possibilities but it's also you know there's some responsibility that will have to take on for these buildings And so right now, we don't have a line item for maintenance of these buildings at all.
So technically even if we want to do some basic maintenance things, we don't have the budget to do that. And so I'll get into that a little bit more. But the two buildings are the Little House and we show our sign here at City Hall and you can see Little House is the building to the left closest to our city hall site And then the oak tree house, which is the building kind of further down to the right closer to Stewart Canyon.
And so these three buildings will now, assuming that the City Council agrees with some of the items listed is these three buildings will make up our city hall campus. And we're going to work on some signage and things like that that'll come back as well for essentially what we're calling at this point the city hall community campus. The two buildings, right now we're going to start by looking at the Little House building and what is included in that building.
One of the things we're really excited about is what's called Kent Hall and apparently you can see from the image here that it served as a bingo hall recently at some point because the bingo devices are still installed This hall is a pretty large hall that has the capacity of over 100 people, that I think we could utilize fairly quickly to hold community meetings and things like that. It can be a community meeting space.
And then I think long term it has a lot of potential because What is fairly close to it, which is this kitchen facility where we had talked about being able to hold events and things like that. And I think we can do that fairly easily with some repairs by utilizing the hall space, the kitchen space and then the surrounding decking and outdoor space as well. So there's a lot of potential for That space to be utilized for events and community meetings. There's also another space, this is right adjacent to the kitchen with the kitchen being off to the right of this picture. This is essentially a dining room space and this faces out the front of the building looking towards the City Hall parking lot where you can see those cars there. And City Hall is kind of to the front-right of this building.
So you can see a lot of potential for like meeting space and events and programming at City Hall. There's also several offices, there's I think it's six offices at the Little House and so this picture shows some of the reception and office space We note in the report that kind of what we proposed starting with is just prepping this space, the Kent Hall space to be used for meetings and things. With the longer term plan being to do some of the work on the kitchen and the office spaces and get those designed and prepared to be utilized in the future for programming.
And so that's Little House, Oak Tree House is a smaller building. It's about four offices and this open space here it's actually in fairly decent shape there's you'll see in the pictures are some staining and things from where furniture was but it's fairly minor so that space we could actually utilize fairly quickly for some office space Some plans for that, but our recommendation is while we're working on the longer term little house that we would utilize the more kind of turnkey ready oak tree house for office space which where we are in need of.
We noted in the staff report that the city had performed a space assessment approximately six years ago and in that space assessment There was a need for several offices identified, which continues today. And the three options that were identified to address that were basically making major changes to the Smith-Hodson estate, which is impractical for a variety of reasons, particularly the fact that it's landmarked and we wouldn't want to change the space that much and would not be able to even if we did want to.
The second option was to utilize the existing patio and turn that into offices, which that space is very valuable especially during COVID. We tend to have outdoor meetings in that space and it's a very useful space. And then the third option was to build a new building But on the dirt lot in the corner where people are parking for some of the campus programming, which that space is now really useful. And we also I don't think want to go through the process of building a new building so instead of doing either of those we can utilize this existing space And let me go through just a few more pictures here.
Mayor, can I comment on that too? James, I believe in that same report we had talked about mobile trailers straight across the street. I think we talked about two or three of those also.
Yeah, that
was
one of the options would be to put you know the portable buildings out there which Again when you compare, I know i'm talking aesthetics but I think aesthetics do matter. We can have this very you know a matching building to what City Hall looks like that's very picturesque and very user-friendly we were talking about taking out the gate around it to really make it open to the public.
We can have this or we can drop a portable building on a dirt lot And so I think I know which one I would prefer with just a little bit of cleanup. So we mentioned in the report, you know, I wanted to start with those photos of kind of what we're talking about because they're not buildings that are maybe that a lot of people may be familiar with but in the report, we note that based on all the council discussions about like goals and programming and the campus vision That what we're looking at really boils down to meeting space, office space for some of the key city staffing needs. Event space potentially things like the weddings and other events like that could be held here.
And out a bathroom along the backside, you know, a bathroom and drinking fountain facilities that could serve the different activities at the campus. Because right now we do have the porta potty out back which is, you know, that's not a long-term solution. And for us a couple of ones that are key And our information technology server room and IT server room, which would be a major upgrade to have it in the office space in the little house versus having it in kind of the tough shed in the public works yard that we have.
A records room and a storage room, which again we currently use our basement and attic. And we've had the basement flood in the attic is... We need to... We started to empty that out because you know we had some concerns about potential hazards with a lot of documentation in the documents in the attic So this space would give us opportunities to address those needs. Now, the caveat to that is it won't be... The Little House in particular is not turnkey. It's gonna need some work, it's gonna need some remediation and accessibility improvements and things along those lines But we think that, as we mentioned in the report, we could break this into some phases. And phase one is getting a minimal budget of about $25,000 to start getting the Oak Tree House ready for office spaces to be used there and then as we're doing that The recommendation is that Council authorize that, and then also authorized staff to issue an RFP to get a designer to start working on the design of the little house.
And that would allow us to prepare that design, come back as part of the budget knowing what we want to do with Council giving that direction and feedback on that design And also knowing what it's gonna cost us and what we need to start building into the budgets in future years. So at this point, that's what we are recommending. The item is on the agenda because I know there have been a lot of ideas. So one of the reasons we wanted to bring this was to get the feedback from council of programming and uses that the council wants to see and those things that there are consensus for, our recommendation will be that we'll build those into the design work that we're doing.
With that, I will hand it back to Mayor Sticks for Council to provide that feedback.
Thank you James. Any questions before we get to public comment?
No, I don't have a question. I have comments.
Okay any no questions?
Randy? James do we just set up an appointment with you to actually do a tour of each of those nights and can anyone in the public do the same thing?
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We have, so I'll note we have had several people reach out to us that were interested in using the site. Different groups in the city. We haven't offered any tours yet because we wanted to make sure...we wanted to kind of see what the consensus was from council before we use a lot of staff time you know touring sites that wouldn't have the ability to use it but yes Definitely schedule tours with council. And then what I think what I would do is, uh, I would offer one tour where we'll be with the different groups in the public who wanted to go and I think we would just set up one tour where everybody can go kind of see it and see what could you know what would work so
thank you no more questions we will move on to public comment any public comment on this Gail
if there's anyone in the zoom Waiting room who is watching the meeting and would like to speak if you would raise your hand. I'll go ahead and call on you. We have one person, Mr. Miley. Let me unmute you. You should be able to speak if you can unmute yourself and go ahead.
I have unmuted myself. Good
evening.
It all sounds good. A few years ago I got, I was interested in exploring all of the property behind city hall. It was introduced to the barn which is West. It's a substantial building. I believe it's two stories and would be a great place for long-term storage and now might be the time to consider that. That's all I have to say thanks.
Thank you Mr. Miley All right, we'll move on to discussion. Bill?
Mr. Miley beat me to the one of my comments, the barn that barn is also landmarked it's also a substantial building and has great history it's been the subject of particular historical review in the past I think even a feature story at one point in the Ojai Valley News so I really think first of all I agree with all the recommendations but would like to add that we make sure we take care of that barn that if you need to come back to us for a budget allocation to stabilize and protect that landmark, that we do at least that.
And maybe get an evaluation of what it would take to bring some basic utilities there. Mr. Miley's suggestion is very good. I think there might be some other options but we don't want to forget the barn. That's an important component to our campus. The other couple things i want to mention You know, we're going to be moving forward with a microgrid which makes a lot of sense especially with these expanded facilities. And I would like to add too the whole step towards sustainability with the microgrid how we handle again the water resources on this property. We should be looking at the feasibility of capturing stormwater coming off the roofs for use in the community garden I would think that, you know we haven't done that for the City Hall buildings yet but i think that's really neglectful.
In fact it's right next to the community garden we should be capturing stormwater coming off the roof for uses in the community garden and just hydrating that whole area. We also need to be looking at I think making sure we maximize the gray water if we're going to be doing renovations and things we ought to be looking at how to replumb for proper graywater use for the whole campus in the community garden and for keeping the Stewart Canyon and Creek hydrated with helping with stream flow. And I would go so far as to say, I believe there are grants available for a demonstration black water treatment project.
where we actually set up a localized sort of mini scalping facility that could treat water to the level adequate, again for watering the community garden if not actually getting into helping with stream flow enhancement. But I just really think that it's a missed opportunity. And there's a lot of funding for those types of demonstration projects, possibly even including the police facility and public works, although that's on the other side of the road and more expensive. But I think just in terms of the stormwater capture Making sure we look at greywater options and even a project for black water. We have to at least look at that because wastewater is a resource, it's not just something to get rid of.
The other thing is that I like the idea that we are looking at, there's a tremendous demand for use of Kent Hall. It's been used continuously in fact it's one of the few things that was being used all the way to the end of help of Ojai's occupancy. I didn't realize it needs repairs to be used frankly it was being booked by Democrat Club and everything as is But I do think there's a lot of community groups, both small scale and larger scale that I think that Kent Hall in particular is a community support facility that really as soon as we can get that in play, our supplying the community needs to better. So anyway those were my comments. I'd just like to add to the recommendation along those lines.
Thank you. One of the things, just as an example, is we noticed like the rampway that goes kind of up because it's almost on a second floor. The rampway had some rot to it and things like that. And so I don't think it's anything major. So I think we can get that fixed quickly and actually get that being in use again. But we just wanted to try to fix a couple of those things while we still have it vacant.
Susan? Oh, I wholeheartedly Support all of Bill Wyrick's comments, Council Member Bill Wyrick's comments. And I like the name Ojai City Hall Community Campus that's in the right direction keep the word community in there before campus and here's my idea you've probably heard that airports now have A quiet room, a yoga room where people can rest for 10 minutes. I think if we can either have us part of a room that you know that we can identify a room that's more naturally away from the hub And then put restorative yoga props in it, which Betsy and I can teach people how to use. It would keep people from drinking coffee so much coffee in the afternoon that they'd be healthier and productivity would increase.
And I think we just, it'd be a wonderful in keeping with the whole philosophy of health education. And I think all the employees will love it. A 10 minute nap can do wonders.
We did one of the smaller office spaces. I don't know that anybody realizes this, but at City Hall we actually don't have any sort of break room. It's an old house so there's a very small kitchen and especially during the pandemic you have to wait for the next person has to wait for the person before them to go to the fridge get their stuff go around
Yeah,
and go back. So we don't have a space for people to like sit and eat or anything like that. We do use kind of our outside space for that. And so we were talking about you know especially if there's going to be events at Little House and event space that you know kind of a lounge area that could serve both events but also be you know a break room or used for programming at the campus.
That is kind of one of our goals for
this. Yeah, even a cot so people can if they want to take a little nap there's nothing wrong with that you know we need to like that should not be looked down upon it should be encouraged and then if there is a space or we could have a restore what you know restorative yoga let's do it because if airports can do it surely we can do it
Well, it sounds like we're all on the same page and really excited about all these ideas. Great ideas Bill and Susan. Bill you have another idea or?
Just no not another idea just a quick question is whose dog is that on attachment A page five of the letter?
You know that was actually one of the last days where Help of Ojai was there I think it was somebody from Help of Ojai's dog. I just want to make sure he didn't get another pet. No if you see a pig in there that's me but
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know I support all these ideas. In fact, I think the idea that i hadn't thought about was bills regarding this black system. It's pretty interesting because they're out there they're available and we could we might be able to get a grant for it. My fear always with grants is once you use them and they give you something that's viable Now you got to maintain it.
Now it's yours and there's no grant funding to maintain it so I'd be interested in that. James, again only because I'm a design build company. I would love to see you just take the floor plan of that building and draw us up something of what your thoughts are so that we can visualize it Okay and again I'd be interested in coming out maybe you guys could even take the time to go tape your room out the way you visualize it. It might help us all to be able to see what you're trying to achieve but um i'm behind everything that's been discussed tonight 100 percent, even the quiet yoga room.
Okay well it sounds like we're ready for a motion uh unless anybody wants to add anything else? Okay, so I'll make a motion to direct staff to approve the money to do the plan and move
forward. Proposed amendments proposed additional evaluations.
So it's to allocate the $25,000 to address those basic deferred maintenance items and then Um, authorize us to proceed with the design work with those additional items discussed. I'll
second the Mayor's motion.
Okay great a
Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 motion. Okay great a roll call · 1 under review
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Great thank you well that's
exciting and we can all look forward to new things happening in the new year so thank you and thanks James for getting that together okay let's move on to number seven the last item city council updated goals and I just want to say hats off Because when you think about what's happened in the last two years and how pretty much everything has shut down in some form, that we still are getting a lot accomplished when you look at this list. So thank you. It's pretty amazing.
James do you want to give a presentation? Yeah I'll just
briefly note so we had our goals discussion last year and Anybody who's talked to me the last couple of weeks has probably heard me talk about the time vortex from the last two years, where things that feel like they happened last week happened two years ago and vice versa. So it feels like it was a couple weeks ago but I think our goal setting session was in February or March of last year.
And so we had the goal setting session and then Where we had kind of a brainstorming session, and we had our previous goals. And so what we wanted to do now that it's a new year, we wanted to make sure January is always a good time to do this. So we wanted to bring it back to council and talk about the goals, try to get a consensus on kind of what the goals are for the next year and what the work plan will look like for the next year.
And so the document that's in the packet, it reflects six goals. And those six goals build on the prior adopted four goals which the four goals adopted in 2018 were ensuring prudent fiscal planning, increasing organizational efficiency, strengthening our infrastructure and effective coordination with county state and other agencies So we took that and we built on that using that feedback from that council workshop. And so we developed, kind of expanded those into six goals.
Number one, preserving and improving our community quality of life. Number two, being good stewards of the environment. Number three, increasing organizational efficiency Four, ensuring prudent financial planning. Five, strengthening infrastructure and six effective coordination with county state and other agencies. And so it's the same four but two kind of additional goals on top of that. And those were where most of the discussion at the last council workshop fell under were either the existing four goals or one of those two new new goals And so we took that, we developed that. And obviously by putting it on the agenda today, we're asking for council feedback on that and whether there's a consensus to move forward with those six goals or make any modifications.
And then what we did was we took our work plan that had all the different items that we wanted to complete for the year. We removed the items that were complete Harmon Zuckerman, PB – He, Him, His): We updated items that had been updated a lot of these you know we finished like step one and now it's time for Step two. And so we we put those into this work plan and then we added the things from the workshop that had multiple Harmon Zuckerman, PB – He, Him, His.: : That had a consensus of Council Harmon Zuckerman, PB – He, Him, His): And so we have both the goal document and the work plan that lists key projects for this year it is, and I just wanted to state this kind of up front.
We took the items that had a majority of Council And so we did have if you recall that brainstorming session where we did kind of everybody brought their ideas. We didn't include every idea, we took the ones that had a majority of council members supporting it and so that's what is presented but today would also be an opportunity If Council chooses to, it would be an opportunity for Council to add any items, modify any items, identify other projects that should be included.
And so with that, that's essentially what the document is before you. The goal is to have one adopted vision statement goals and project list We'll tell the community, tell the staff and tell all of the city what our projects and goals are going to be for the coming year. And so that would be what we would hope to get out of this. We don't have to adopt it tonight. We can make modifications and come back. But I think this first meeting in January is a good opportunity to at least start thinking and talking about what our goals are for the year.
So with that, I will hand it back over to Mayor Sticks.
Thank you James. Any questions for staff? Just have comments. Okay any public comment on this item
Gail? If there is anyone in the Zoom waiting room who's here to speak on this agenda item, it looks like Mr. Miley has his hand raised and no one else so I will allow him to speak. Mr. Miley if you're there, if you can unmute yourself, you can go ahead. You can go ahead and speak Mr. Miley. Mr Miley, if you're there, can you hear me?
Can you hear me now?
Yes, yes we can.
Good okay that's good very important. I remember that the council by five to zero adopted a parking study that was going to be completed during 2022 and that's part of the infrastructure so i would like that to be considered as an add-on Parking study for infrastructure. And then I have a new one, it would be called public transparency and the goal would be to increase awareness by our citizens of the benefits provided by our city to one so that they would know how their tax monies are spent And two, know about services they and the community can use and benefit from by age, by household, by ethnicity, and by neighborhood.
In effect if this was a corporate structure it would be marketing program or branding so that people feel good about the Coca-Cola product. They want to share it with others and they want to return to it, and when they see the label, they say wow! That looks delicious. So I would like to see that considered as part of a public benefit somewhere in the goal structure. I'm not sure where within Thanks.
Thank you, Mr. Miley.
Thank you, Mr Miley. Any more comments Gail? No one else. Okay thank you. All right we'll move on to discussion. Bill and then Susan.
Yes I was wondering if uh i think Mr. Miley's suggestion is a good one and I'm wondering if we could broaden the language in 1g improving our quality of life parking improvements and parking committee Could we also include a parking study in that goal, in 1G? I think that fits pretty well. Parking evaluation, parking study.
Yes, I think that would make... That fits that project pretty well so we can have that and I think to Mr. Miley's point that was approved it just wasn't called out on this so we should add it specifically in there.
So it would fit right in there The other thing on the improving our community quality of life, I didn't see here. But i think it's important we do have a ongoing action in the planning commission and we've talked about it about revisiting our anti-formula business ordinance for you know broadening the protection and incentives for localism, local business keeping industrial retail and corporate retail out of the community to the extent possible.
And I wonder if that's something that would rate its own item as something we've identified a fairly potential strong impact We need to set as a goal, maybe under 1L. I just wonder what the rest of my colleagues think about that?
1L?
Well it would be an added item for review and possible expansion of the anti-formula business ordinance.
OK so after K is what you're saying. Yes. I think that makes sense.
And just to clarify planning already is working on this currently James.
Yeah, it is on the planning commission work plan. I think we had wrestled with, we thought about adding all the planning commission work plan items on and how he approached it was the items that we thought would potentially take a lot of either staff time or resources. We did include here and then the simpler items we only have on the Planning Commission Work Plan but I would kind of thinking that through expecting to spend some time on that one. So I think that one would be fair to add to this list, it is going to be you know what are the things with this document is to help people understand where we're going to spend our staff time this year and that is something that we're gonna have to spend some staff time on to move forward so.
Great okay Susan then Randy?
Back to 1G, I don't know if this is necessary but when people see the word parking. I think they mostly think of car parking and I again want to emphasize how important people parking benches and bicycles are just for example if you look at the Ben Franklin parking lot for example There's absolutely no place to sit. And I know there are people in Ojai, I've seen them walk from bonds to the river bottom with their groceries and there's no place for them to sit along the way.
So, and it just in keeping with our making Ojai more pedestrian friendly people will walk more if they know, I think that somewhere along the way they can take a little break plus they can enjoy the view You know, it's the most beautiful view that whole stretch Maricopa Highway. Yeah. You're looking up at the mountains and so that's my comment just on that. So you're saying that the parking committee may reconvene in 2022?
Yes yes we were planning uh we are working on um the tree committee in the next couple weeks and then we are planning to work
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Yeah, good. My other thought and again I don't know if this is necessary but where it says strengthening our back to city of Ojai goals number five, strengthening our infrastructure enhance our infrastructure through effective planning blah blah blah what about you know like when Bill brought up about the plumbing And making it, what's the word? Instead of just regular plumbing. He brought up that it should include gray water and black water and that sort of thing. So is there a word?
That would indicate that we want our infrastructure to be, you know, to be progressive. To look ahead. To consider not just the same old infrastructure but what's the word? Sustainable. Green. You know there might be a better word.
Yeah Yeah innovate, you know looking at innovative options. Sustainable innovative and
sustainable options. You know we could play around with that so that it's really clear it's not just business as usual. Randy?
So these are great comments. The parking 1b the parking issue I sure would like to see the criteria of how we're going to assess parking in this community. Because I think that's the, when we say parking it's pretty broad. You know, are we going to identify how many spots we have today? How many businesses that we have that need them. I mean, how many businesses that have not just patrons but they have the workers and where do they park?
I mean parking in Ojai is huge. And it's kind of I like to see what the criteria is of what we're going to assess, evaluate or determine in the end. What were you know? You know, well, I mean, what's the goal? Create more create less have better. You know, so the sooner we can get a committee together and actually have them start writing out this I think is really really important. And then Susan's comment about more park benches on public right-of-ways All for that, I think that's a great idea.
I don't know about the actual visual thing now looking up to 33 towards the mountains. It looks like it's a giant ski slope and we got the solemn track. I'm waiting to see if it's going to be skateboards or bikes or cars are gonna be going in and out of those cones but aside from that I think more public parking and more pedestrian, let's call it for lack of a better term, but pedestrian parking.
We
need more of it. And again that all has to be part of that evaluation.
May I add to that comment when Randy, Mayor Pro Tem Randy's done.
Go ahead Susie, yeah.
I think Mayor Pro Tem Randy it's the parking study should include everything you said and to my way of thinking a parking study for cars would include every parking lot in the city including the ones that are never used or hardly ever used like I can think of a couple off the top of my head so that we can think A potential shared parking plan, at least for the weekend like when the banks are closed and places where there's now a sign that says no parking. Perhaps it should say no parking during x business hours but you know so that the city can negotiate You know when we're here and what's available rather than using precious land that should in my opinion where possible go to housing not parking more cars. I mean my priority is housing and then car parking would be next.
I wouldn't want to use land that could potentially be for for housing, for parking. That's my own own philosophy at the moment.
Mayor one other one other if i can one other comment along with that you know Suze You know as the discussion moves towards bikes and more bicycling activities in the community, and more spaces for bike racks and things of that nature. Again I think part of the parking study has to be what is the level of bicycling in our community? Can we assess that can we address that? And you always want to look at to me is what we do Monday through Thursday which is us And what we do Friday through Sunday, which is others.
And I think we have to look at that and all of this. What do we need for our community purposes? Again during the week for us and what are we looking at? 7,500 to 10,000 people every weekend coming into Ojai and how we can accommodate that addition. You know that's double our population so this parking thing is huge and how we go about it is critical.
Yeah may I just comment? Just when you said the weekend is I think you said it's them I would say it's us and them
I'm just saying that there's an influx of 10,000 others that we rely on that we need. We want and we cherish but that's still a number that we have to look at when we start looking at parking in this community.
Yeah yeah. I would like to add to the list electrifying all city buildings as we move forward especially with the new buildings that we're acquiring and make sure that's a priority in terms of climate change
Yeah, I actually on that topic. I do think that we actually the council in I think it was March or April of last year gave direction to staff to start investigating that and putting a plan together so that is something we should have added that in there.
I just got electric heat. It is fantastic. I'd highly recommend it really great. What did
you get Mary?
Electric heat. Come over and see it. It's incredible.
I will. Seriously, we're doing the same thing at our house and in our other house so yeah, I will. Thank
you. It heats up a room like that. Any other suggestions or additions? It sounds like we have got a really great list. Thank you so much staff for one, putting the list together and then working on all these items. Particularly during the last two years. Okay so we have a motion to... Anybody want to make a motion? I can't hear you Bill. You're muted.
Move to adopt as amended.
Can you repeat that? You were muted. Move
to adopt staff recommendation as amended.
Okay all right. I'll second that. Roll call please Gail.
Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 Move to adopt staff recommendation as amended. Okay all right. I'll second that. Roll call · 1 under review
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Great,
thank you.
Exciting plans and I think it'd be really great also to get this plan out there and circulate it so people really understand what's happening because there's a lot happening.
Yeah
we'll
make it available.
Okay
great. I love that it's all written out like this. Love it.
My
life!
All right we'll move on to council member reports. Anyone have anything to report? Go
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ahead Bill Yeah, I think I circulated to everybody what I consider a really significant move by Caltrans to formally adopt the complete streets policy from the top down. Very explicit. It was highlighted at the VCTC meeting for discussion and they made it very clear That what we're doing with our ATP project is the kind of precursor that they're looking at everywhere and statewide. So you know, we really are on the right side of history there and Caltrans to issue that complete streets policy I think is as significant as some other smaller items for example VCTC Moving from level of service to vehicle miles traveled for evaluations, you know looking at things in a systematic way.
And the other thing was that I believe we got our $300,000 through the VCTC one-time grant for some street maintenance work which was really good. It's one time when it's an advantage to be a small city because they had a minimum of $300,000 so Fillmore and other cities that were larger got the same amount. So sometimes it's an advantage to be tiny. And then the other thing was that they announced a new program that staff has already jumped on. I forwarded the information on possibly one of the off-the-shelf grants, grant ideas or planning projects that came out of the in-stream flow process uh the kinds of things you know the litany of projects waiting for grant up, you know grant support. We've got Caltrans has a program we might be able to take advantage and staff has been great to jump on it with a shortly a really short time frame and I think we're going to have a competitive I think we're going to have a competitive application for one of those projects so i was it was real positive to see those three things happen
Great news. Yeah, thank you for sharing Bill. Anyone else? Well just a reminder that Monday at 10am in Libbey Park is the Martin Luther King celebration. It'll be small because of COVID but please come and support that. What is it? There's going to be a Martin Luther King, the annual Martin Luther King celebration put on by a lot of Nordoff kids and leadership students and Julie Toomey and Mike will be there That would be a nice event. So please support that.
Anybody else? I have a question. Yeah. Is North Drown and whatever the other street was on the agenda for the traffic calming?
Yeah, well so it's the Drown Street analysis is scheduled for January 25th.
January 25.
Mm-hmm yeah it's the next council
meeting. Both
ends of
Drown.
Thank you. All right, we'll move on to city management report.
Thank you quickly just so the public's aware because we'll probably be posting this in the next day or two. We are scheduled to have our joint meeting with the HPC next week January 18th that will be virtual. And which works, because AHPC has been working on a PowerPoint presentation they want to give. So that I think will be pretty functional via Zoom. But that'll be a January 18 meeting, which of course is open to the public to also attend via Zoom.
And also we just announced and we're going to be putting more information out on it January 26, we are having our first ever community conversation regarding police services. And so the Chief Rivera and I are going to be at... The plan right now is at the bowl although the minute we said it, the weather updated and said rain was in the forecast but it's so far away. You know, I'm not too worried about it but right now the plan is January 26th 6 PM at the bowl. Chief Rivera and I will be there Kind of a brief presentation on some of the different things we're seeing, and then the bulk of the meeting is where we're going to ask the public for feedback on what they're seeing, what we're doing well, and what we can do better. So I think it's kind of an exciting new thing we're going to try, and the public is invited and encouraged to attend and let us hear that feedback.
Great news. Important event. Thank you for organizing. Bill?
James, I'm just going to bring this up because it's an issue I think of overall council concern. That's the status of the one thing that's in the hopper that is ready to go and should be ready to go you know in terms of providing affordable housing and that's that development agreement. It's frustrating we haven't started on that Ryan and I spent a lot of time on that yeah I just thought I'd ask about its status.
Yeah so that is on the agenda for January 25th We actually confirmed that date with the developer, our property owner yesterday to make sure he was available and would attend. The plan right now is the Drown Avenue analysis and then the development agreement for the housing projects would be on January 25th.
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you. To your point, that was a long time in In the making, I think it was negotiated almost a year ago at this point. So we'll get it moving. Thank
you. Any future agenda items from anyone? Okay, well it's 8.18, two hours and 18 minutes I think that's a record so thank you all for a very efficient and productive and fruitful meeting so grateful to all of you and this meeting is adjourned.