BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 March 22, 2022

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Scheduled start 6:00 PM · clock-time estimates pending review

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CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction0:00

Thank you, Gail. And welcome to the March 22nd

CommentAndrew EllisonProposed · by introduction0:04

2022

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction0:05

meeting of the Ojai

CommentAndrew EllisonProposed · by introduction0:08

City

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction0:09

Council. Bill, do you mind saying the pledge for us?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:29

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role0:44

Thank you, Bill.

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GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role0:46

And we'll move to approval of the agenda. I would like to move item number six up to item number three because we received so many

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role0:54

public comments on it 38 and there will probably be a lot of number of speakers and so just to be conscientious for the speakers it doesn't make sense to make them sit through items that they have no interest in so Let's go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:10

ahead and do that. Would you mind repeating?

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:13

I'd like to move item number six, which is the last item on the agenda up to item number three because there are so many public speakers, I would assume because we've had 38 letters on that item, the valet.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:27

Well, I don't know how to respond to that.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction1:36

I have a question to the city attorney.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:40

Yeah,

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction1:41

um i would like to pull item six so how do we do that if there's a conflict on one moving it up and one wanting it pulled? How do we resolve that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:51

So the resolution would be as i understood it the mayor made a motion that hasn't yet received a second to move item six up to be item three hearing no second that motion may have died for lack of a second if so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:06

It's taking me by surprise. I need to process it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:12

for a moment. Let me add another

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:14

comment. Assuming

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:18

from a second that motion to have item six move up gets a second as it may, a substituted motion could be made to pull item six entirely. That would then need a second If so, then the substantive motion is voted on first. Majority rule will control.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:35

I want to say something if i may. My concern is that some of the speakers are maybe planning to speak later in the evening. That's my concern such as the you know the interested parties at the El Roblar Hotel and they might not be aware that we're Putting this at the beginning. That's my concern, one of my

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:58

concerns. Items number three four and five will probably be pretty quick so that was just I think just to be conscientious to the speakers

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:11

Well, then why don't we just go through this in the order that it is.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:15

So no

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:15

second?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:17

I haven't heard a second to the mayor's motion move it up then that would mean no motion on the table unless Mayor Pro Tem Haney you make your motion.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:24

Okay so my motion would be to approve one through five and table item six. I will second

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:32

that

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:37

okay uh can we have a roll call

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:40

I would like to know what your train of thought is. I mean, I know you don't owe us an explanation but what is the reasoning?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:55

It would be in order for discussion of whether to have the item on the agenda and if so, at what time. But the discussion cannot be a discussion of the merits it has to be should it be had I realized that's a bit of a fuzzy line and just one additional point. If the item is removed from the agenda anyone who came wanting to speak about it can still speak a general public comment because it won't be on the agenda. So the public's not silenced they can still speak a general public comment if it's removed from the agenda

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:24

May I ask a question? They would be expecting that the general public comment would be at the beginning. So say if they come at nine o'clock, will they still get to speak?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:36

At that point, it would be up to the council's discretion to allow additional general public comment. I would recognize that there may be expectations about the timing but the agenda is clear that all of the order is subject to change so that expectation while it may be held is not supported by the agenda.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role4:53

Well, and I'm just confused by why this item would possibly be pulled when we've had 38 written comments. So if we have 38 written comments, we surely have many comments that people are waiting out there to speak tonight. So it doesn't seem very respectful of our community to pull that.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction5:15

So are we voting?

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GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role5:19

Yeah, can we have the roll call please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:21

I'd like to know as well. I'm happy to have a debate

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role5:25

about it and talk about it, but if we are really going to just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:41

I think it's worth having an explanation on why we're going to do that. I do agree with the mayor in that, and I don't want to just say we're tabling it with no explanation and no conscientiousness that it is an agendized item that there's been a lot of communication on. But I do agree that I think the end result should be allowing the process that started to be completed, because that's the purpose in undercutting our planning commission by sending a message that you put in all this work but we're just gonna steamroll you at this late moment doesn't make any sense to me either. So I don't mind the end result but I do think it's worth some explanation and now I appreciate the ability to have given mine.

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GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role6:55

Okay, thanks. Just want in response to that since I did put it on the agenda and I appreciate your comments right i don't think we're steamrolling. I think we're supporting the planning commission and once again this is a community issue so I think it's really important that we Listen to the community and clearly from the numbers, the community has some really strong opinions about this. So to disregard just let me finish please. To disregard that I think is a really really disrespectful as I said to our community and to all the people who really care about our community.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed7:30

Mayor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:31

I actually said

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed7:32

first

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:34

what's disrespectful she was okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed7:38

Sorry, I was first. I think that we should...I'm not in favor of tabling it. I'm in favor of using this as an opportunity to put forth what the issues are because a lot of people do not realize that there's private property involved, not just public property and we need to clarify that for the public.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed8:00

What's disrespectful is not respecting the process and that's what's happened here. We have a planning commission It is a public process that anybody can raise issues and discuss with. It's about to be on the agenda. This is highly irregular and inappropriate for the council to get involved in a planning commission deliberation, whereas Ryan outlined in detail there's plenty of reason and opportunities to bring up issues before the established public process that we have in place.

This commission is a council commission And if something is missed or people don't like the result, then there's ample opportunity for it to happen in terms of further discussion and bringing up the issues. But to interfere with the process in the midst of deliberation that's what's disrespectful.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role8:51

I appreciate your opinion, I totally disagree. I think that we're supporting the Planning Commission and that more importantly we're supporting our community. And once again back to the numbers, the sheer numbers of responses of people who

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CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction15:56

I think we're back.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed18:56

Can

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed19:05

you hear us?

CommentTara JeffreyProposed · by introduction19:06

Yes, I can.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed19:14

That's it. OK, so.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction19:23

Your mic is live.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed19:28

Okay. Oh, you can't hear me. Did you hear when I was? Yeah.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction19:58

James Hahn and James Vega, your mic is live.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed21:41

Yeah, we can

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed21:43

do that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed22:16

Okay. We can't hear her. So we'll have to do the roll call here. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Why this? Welcome to Canada. We are proud to welcome you to the City of Kingston. And as a quick reminder about the new protocol, please raise your hand and I'll keep all of them on my top five. We're back to the chair. We are going to continue to raise hands at common. Please be brief and discreet. Stay on topic. We need to discuss what we're doing for the time being.

Please retain this comment that the legislative session will resume at noon I just am getting us there. Make sure that we're there. This is what's going out and make a comment, we really appreciate it. We all can't wait to hear from you. One more public comment for the minute is there are many teachers in the test kit. So we're going to stand up there and put our report back into that system to make sure it's still showing. We're not recording this. We're not sharing it on YouTube or anything like that.

So that's what we're supposed to do. This is what's reported. Let's check. We'll be able to do that. Okay. I'm here to tell you about a project that was started That's why I'm going along with a promise to give you a $20 climate budget. You all are invited, and my friend, Chris Young, he has all of the information that you need for that. So that is what we're about to do next week.

It's about climate. It starts fall. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. Okay.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed38:00

Okay, so watch right here. It looks like it's picking it up. James

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction38:08

your mic is live

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed38:20

One more time. Thank you very much. I don't have it right now.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed43:33

Gail, can you repeat yourself?

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CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction44:02

I said the good news is, I can hear you guys. But the bad news is Susan your mic is live.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed44:08

Let me think what did I just reveal? You

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction44:11

didn't say anything. Nothing

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed44:14

bad. That's right. I'm not worried. I am a memoir writer.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction44:36

It's good to hear everyone again. It's kind of like talking to the space station tonight.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed44:42

Can you hear me, Ryan?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role44:55

All right, we should be back. Apologies for that the internet at the site dropped out. We were trying a backup option and then the internet came back so

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role45:05

Okay, great. We have Cindy Convery and then Gail Matica and then Wendy Larner. Thank you. Thanks

CommentGail MaticaProposed · by introduction45:12

for your patience. Ready for me? Cindy Convery. Oh hi. I have three things to say maybe I'll get an extra 20 seconds. First the good news. I'm gonna start a little fun to redecorate City Hall it's killing me. I don't want to go back in there the way it looks and in the spirit of Sheila and Don Clough, Clough Vista Park, Alan Raines and The Pergola, I think we can as a community Get that city hall looking better and I'm willing to make the first deposit. So that's the good news, second request I have is will you please please revisit the 25 mile an hour speed limit. I was crossing at the post office yesterday at four o'clock, I almost got hit as soon as I stepped off the curb. Thank God that person stopped. I walked five more feet and somebody came flying around signal and turned on to Ohio almost obliterated me, and this happens all the time.

I was driving here tonight, I passed at the four way stop at Bart's and a truck just blew through the stop sign 30 miles an hour didn't even stop. You know it has to do it starts with a steep speed limit it has to do with many other things you know better crosswalks etc but Somebody's going to get killed. I'm just giving everybody notice now, I really don't want that to happen i know three people have been killed in crosswalks here, just in the crosswalk so please please 25 miles an hour and third comment is valley parking.

I really strongly suggest that you as a body consider hiring a city planner who specializes in this type of thing to work through what this could look like in the next 10 years for Ojai. I looked at Carmel and how they deal with valet parking, they have one hotel that does have on-site valet. You know there's just it's a very complicated issue and it is not something that I think We have been educated to deal with. I think we need somebody who is educated in this world to step in, and it'll really alleviate a lot of the pressure on the Planning Commission as well because this isn't in their wheelhouse. I mean, we haven't done it before and others have. Others have negotiated it with style so I really request that this body look into hiring that city planner who can do that for us and save a lot of pushing and shoving

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role47:33

Thank you. Thank you, Cindy. Next we have Gail Matica and then Wendy Larner and then Jeffrey Starkweather.

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction47:44

Hi, I agree with Cindy. I think we need a more innovative solution to the valet parking. And if there are people we can hire or put together to come up with a better solution, I'm all for that. So I'm against the offsite valet. Thanks.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role48:04

Thank you, Gail. Next we have Wendy Larner then Jeffrey Starkweather then Karen Snyder.

CommentTom FrancisProposed · by introduction48:17

Good evening. Thank you for allowing me to speak. I just wanted to Give you some general information or share some resources with you. One is Michael Moore, an Eagle Scout and left-wing activist according to Wikipedia those aren't my descriptions of him has produced a film called The Planet Of The Humans I don't know if you're familiar with it But in it, he exposes how environmentally shameful the attempts have been to provide green energy. And he unveils the financial motives of many of the producers aided by government grants and NGOs.

Also I wanted to ask how many of you have heard of the wind blade graves? As the blades are retired from even the relatively small numbers already marring the scene, millions more to come. There is no feasible plan for their disposal recycling or regeneration Currently they're trying to bury them. However, the burial sites if you're familiar at all with what the things being shown on the internet are showing piles of unburied corpses of these windmill blades.

The windmills also slaughter birds and bats in alarming numbers which affects our balance of nature. There's a noise factor when there even in any proximity to where people live, giving neighbors headaches. There rarely is the electricity output as advertised. They're most likely to fail when they're needed most in the hottest and coldest weather. This doesn't even begin to explore the problems with offshore farms which are being considered Actually, projects are in process but even worse consequences. Check it out.

The cost in land for landfills alone is going to be huge. Just the cost for the end user is going to be quite stunning and it is regressive all these moves without really thinking through and planning and having feasible options are going to be very expensive for those who can least afford it. Thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role51:05

Thank you, Wendy. Next we have Jeffrey Starkweather then Karen Snyder and then Cindy Jones.

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CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposedself-stated51:13

Good evening City Council and fellow citizens. I'm Jeffrey Starkweather I want to talk about indirectly item six, but I had planned to come in public input because I want to talk about a term that our mayor used in her justification for this issue. Cause I don't really have an opinion on it at this point. I don' know enough about what's being proposed to even have an opinion, but she used the word on just another form of gentrification I think that term needs to be explained and how it's really operating here in Ojai. But before I do, I just want to say I'm a big believer in sustainable communities that includes economic sustainability environmental social justice livability you have in your goals Encouraging a vibrant tourist community, but at the same time balance it with small town character and encouraging diversity of lifestyles which I considered to be somewhat incomes and different types of people.

And I think we can make a town that does all those things, makes it livable for all. We do not need to have a trade-off between environmental protection or small town character and making it livable for all. So what is gentrification and how does it apply to the Ojai Valley? Gentrification is a geographic economic concept which means essentially People, the community, the character of the communities change by the influx of more affluent people that buy houses and raise the price.

And what are the characteristics? What we call a rural gentrification. It tends to be places that are lifestyle communities, places that are beautiful like Ojai. People want to come to it. Places that have amenities like arts, Walking outdoors, the lands we preserved. And obviously here a spiritual center people have come here for that reason. And now most recently this is a phenomenon of economics and phenomenal technology. We have a lot of young- Two minutes.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role53:28

Thank you, thank

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposedself-stated53:29

you

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role53:29

Jeffrey.

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposedself-stated53:30

Young wealthy people that have come here because they can afford to come and they can afford to work here. Thanks,

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role53:40

Jeffrey. We have a lot of speakers tonight. Excuse

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposedself-stated53:42

me people have talked a long time and I haven't

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role53:43

got to my point yet. Could you make your point and then finish? Because people have spoken for two minutes they haven't spoken longer than two minutes.

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposedself-stated53:54

Well let me just say there is only one cause of gentrification in the Ojai Valley Eric Wilde made that clear, the Board of Realtors basically said we have artificially suppressed the supply of housing. And when you have an increased demand for housing and no increased supply, the price of housing is going to go up. And in 2021, the average sale price of a house in the Ojai Valley was 1.5 million.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role54:26

Okay. Thank you, Jeffrey. I'm sorry. I have to cut you off next. We have Karen Snyder then Cindy Jones and Lise Martin. We have two

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed54:50

minutes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed54:53

Can you hear me? Thank you, I'm going to talk about and ask the question what is an emergency And according to Black Laws Dictionary, an emergency is a situation requiring immediate attention and remedial action. It involves injury, loss of life, damage to property or catastrophic interference with normal activities. It is a sudden unexpected or impending situation.

That's the end of the quote. We have been under emergency status for going on three years, which by its very definition no longer qualifies as an emergency. The CDC itself says that going forward we're just going to have to live with COVID. That certainly doesn't sound like an emergency to me. So I suspect that maybe one of the main reasons for this state of emergency keeping being renewed is that so the vaccine manufacturers can still be under an emergency use authorization, thereby making them free from any liability for adverse events such as death and injury.

The latest VAERS, which stands for Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, which is a government website said there was a total of 1,183,495 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines including over 25,000 deaths and over 208,000 serious injuries as of March 11th 2022. And again, according to Harvard study, this is only 1% of the actual cases that could be reported to VAERS. So I ask that you have the courage not keep renewing this emergency status. We need to confront our governor as to why he keeps renewing this emergency. It was originally supposed to be two weeks. To flatten the curve. Again, the CDC says we're just going to have to learn to live with COVID.

I dare say just like we learned to live with the flu. It starts here in this town one town at a time. We cannot keep going along with this it's a threat to our civil liberties. We could just say no and i just want to leave you with this thought as you contemplate renewing this emergency status again next month. I recently saw it on a bumper sticker Your compliance is prolonging this nightmare. Thank you.

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GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role57:26

Thank you, Karen. Next we have Cindy Jones and Lise Martin and then Cindy Kalmasan. Can I

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction57:32

have a quick point of order? Are all the agenda items two minutes?

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role57:37

Pardon me?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction57:37

Are all agenda items two minute limit speaking?

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role57:41

It's three unless we have a lot of speakers and then we go to...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed57:46

First of all, I'd like to preface what I'm about to say with the fact that I really appreciate all of the long hours and attention that the council members put in to this city on a daily basis. And to me, that means that you care deeply about Ojai. So on that note when I'm really angry and frustrated as I have been for like the last almost two years I tend to, my mind doesn't focus. So I have my notes but today I went to yoga and normally that's a good place to focus and I normally don't invite negativity into my practice but today I did and it helped me to focus on what I needed to talk about tonight which is the lie which is the emergency The State of Emergency Declaration that continues to go on and on and on. This state of emergency is what you're basing every month your resolution on, that you all vote on.

And there's not a state of emergency. In fact, in California the numbers have gone down according to the CDC. So every month when you vote on this resolution about how to hold your meetings and tonight is a great example of why you need to be holding them in the chamber, in the council chambers. Do you not think that tonight it would have been much easier to have them in the council chambers?

Anyway, so when you vote on this resolution, you're continuing this masquerade of an emergency. I'm not going to continue with all of the things I needed to say because we don't have the time, but Ojai is a special place to live and I'd really like to keep it that way. We're seeing venues requiring proof of vaccine cards. What? In Ojai? Discriminating in Ojai? You need to not let that happen. Please do not let Ojai be gobbled up by fear, ignorance and money. You can do this.

Thank you,

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:00:15

Cindy. Next we have Lise Martin and then Cindy Kalmasan and then Anita Hendricks. Yes.

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CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction1:00:25

I haven't heard of any business requiring that you have to show a card to enter. And I know we haven't discussed that in council, can we look into that and find out what is going on?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:00:45

We can. I think the quick, easy answer is right now if a private business does it we don't have much ability to regulate that but we can reach out and see if there are businesses doing that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:01:00

And I'll add that at this time there is no city imposed requirement for anything regarding a COVID-19 vaccination. Any decision that's being made to require vaccination proof or not is a decision by those private businesses. There has been no city requirement to do so. Thank you Mayor.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:01:16

Is it Liz or Lise? It's

CommentLise MartinProposedself-stated1:01:18

Lise, like I have a new Lise on life. Lovely.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:01:21

Okay,

CommentLise MartinProposedself-stated1:01:21

Lise! Thank you. My name is Lise Martin. I'm here to speak on kindness tonight. I want you to know that, I apologize to you council members and everyone else that the last time I spoke publicly here. I was so furious and angry and I was angry about the three minute limit being pushed to the two minute limit which has happened again tonight. I was angry, I was caught off guard.

And I'm caught off guard again that I don't see an image going into the feed of the person speaking but I see this seconds ticking off and I find that pretty traumatic. So I'm here to tell you that I'd love to see my constituents speak. I'd love to see that on future videos where I can get to know my community better. I would love for it to be more personable And I had an instance recently when mask mandates were dropped, you know with some variations but of being accosted in my place of work for continuing to wear my mask and told that it was traumatic to the person.

So I reached deep inside of myself and I thought how can I Not attract that kind of energy because the next day it happened to me again with a coworker seeing me remove my mask and then saying, Oh you're actually really pretty. And then when I put my mask back up being told that ruined everything. So I just want you to know that I'm here to speak about kindness and to apologize to you. I'd like for us all to be the change that we want to see in the world. And I'd love to see peace. Thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:03:07

Thank you, Lise. Next we have Cindy Calmeson and then Anita Hendricks and then Bill Miley.

CommentAnita HendricksProposed · by introduction1:03:17

That's Calmesom. It's okay that's my Hispanic name. Now I'm here to bring up an old sore subject just because if we're looking about climate change in the big picture, we should also be very concerned with this self-reflection in the small picture. And I'm here to say that there's been a lot of improvement on what's going on in our little neighborhoods regarding The gardening situation. If you don't have time to do it yourself and you hire somebody, I understand that and we should all have a similar protocol and expect the same from all the gardeners. Many of them have stepped up to the plate and it's a lot better with the electric. It's not perfect but it's what is now required of them however there are still some that are They are above the law, I guess because they're still using it.

And what they're doing is they're undermining the transition for those that have begun to use the electric and of course a broom and a rake is great too but um I feel that this is over 20 plus years old now and there's still a few of them out there thinking they're above the law and that nothing I can do or say has any impact I've called the city. You know, when I go out there on my bike, I talk to them. I want to see who it is now. I don't engage with them because they get that they know exactly what I'm going to say and and and I don't want to engage in it. I would assume there's some kind of internal system that would work for me. But I think if you do not reach out to the homeowner and make them just as responsible As the gardener, we're going to just continue with this series of abuses to our land.

I mean there's so many missed opportunities all those leaves could be mulched protect the soil from the harsh sun in the summer and i see missed opportunities it's such an easy thing There's only a few people that are abusing the law, but they seem to think they can get away with it no matter what. And it is maybe looking small on this big picture, but actually every little drop in the bucket, you know there's a certain drop that will cause the bucket to overflow and so that one drop is let's just do this right and let's finish the job. And I'm willing to help any way I can as a volunteer, but you gotta make the homeowner responsible. Thank

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:05:47

you. Next we have Anita Hendricks, then Bill Miley and then Tara Jeffrey.

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CommentTara JeffreyProposed · by introduction1:06:00

Good evening I was just at a meeting and someone told me that the Antarctica in the past week had a temperature 70 degrees higher than been average 70 degrees and the North Pole has had a higher temperature as well. The IPCC, which is the International Panel for Climate Change, which is a part of the UN has declared that we are in code red that we have a dire, urgent call to humanity to address the climate crisis.

The climate crisis to me far exceeds COVID. It could affect every single one of us. Every animal, every plant, our oceans, our land, the magnitude of it is unbelievable And unfortunately, we in the West and the United States and other developed countries are contributing more than any other segment of the world population. We have a very high level of consumerism, of creating more and more goods.

In our solutions to climate change let us try to minimize the waste Let us look to low tech and no tech solutions. The indigenous people lived with very simple technologies, and they had the least impact on the environment. Please folks, this is a time to move from a crawl to a supersonic speed in addressing this very dire reality of a climate crisis. Thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:08:05

Next we have Bill Miley and then last speaker on public comment will be Tara Jeffrey.

Commentmy name is BillProposedself-stated1:08:12

Good evening, for the record my name is Bill Miley. My family and I have lived here a long time. I'm talking about the composition of the Planning Commission. I want to speak about the membership framework for the Planning Commission specifically to the factor of age. Youth young adult adults older age and senior adult should be honored My principle logic is based on the demographics of our city, and it needs adjusting.

One example is a youth member. Tarkin Recreation has one. Ohio Unified School District has one. It seems reasonable and needed to have a commission which has major responsibilities for the built environment of our city, which will last for years and maybe a lifetime way beyond my life right now. And if my recall is correct most planning Commission memberships have been adult, older adults and senior adults.

I want to suggest that the City Council study the value of restructuring our Planning Commission to include designated positions for youth, younger adults and youth using census data for the age categories. It would certainly bring a wider viewpoint for our city's future. Thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:09:37

Tara, Jeffrey? I guess she's gone. Do we have any public comments on Zoom?

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:09:54

Yes, we do.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:09:55

If there's

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:09:55

anyone in the... Oh I'm sorry Mayor Sticks go ahead you were saying

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:09:59

something? Okay so thank you.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:10:01

Okay if there's anyone in the Zoom meeting who would like to speak please use the raised hand function now and whoops one moment okay we have 11 people um so I will uh bring in Leslie Hess Leslie, if you're there you can go ahead and speak. If you're muted please unmute yourself. Hi can you hear me? Yes we can.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:10:34

So I want to speak about the ordinance to allow only on-site valet parking in Ojai. There have been so many drastic changes in downtown and one of the biggest changes in the past 10 years has been the traffic and the most vulnerable three block area of our downtown. Offsite valet parking doubles the number of car trips for each visitor coming to Ojai. Here's the example, car trip number one a visitor drives to Ojai to dine at a new popular restaurant. Car trip two, the valet parker takes the visitors' car and drives it to a parking destination Car trip three, the valet parker retrieves the car and drives it back to the restaurant. Car trip number four, the visitor drives back out of town. We have enough tourist traffic now without doubling it.

We elected officials, the residents in the city of Ojai have the right to decide if we want to do this in our town It isn't about one business. It's a domino effect and if there's not enough parking, which has always been accessible to all of us who live here, it will end up harming the other businesses downtown and it will cause more people to want a valet park for their businesses. This needs to be thoroughly investigated and we definitely need the ordinance. Thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:12:21

Thank you, Leslie.

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CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:12:25

Next we have Clara Brynne. I apologize if I'm mispronouncing your name, Chiara. If you're there and seem to be unmuted, go ahead and speak.

CommentKira ByrneProposedself-stated1:12:38

Hi, yes. My name is Kira Byrne. I'm 25 years old and I was born and raised in Ojai. And I wanted to share that I also support limiting valet parking in Ojai to on-site only. Ojai's longstanding tradition of making parking equally available to all regardless of economic status is part of the Ojai experience. And although I do support tourism in our town because it is good for our economy The needs of those of us who lived here should come first, and offsite valet parking will worsen congestion in our town and impact all residents. So I just wanted to share that and reemphasize that I support limiting valet parking in Ojai to onsite only. Thank you for your time.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:13:19

Thank you, Kira.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:13:23

Next we have Larry Steingold. Mr. Steingold if you're there, you can go ahead and speak. If you're muted please go ahead and unmute yourself.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:13:31

Yes, thank you very much. Obviously I think public if somebody wants to valet to a public street in the public lot the answer is no. If they want to go Valley to a private lot that they have control of. That's fine. I guess, but it obviously will cut into other people's parking so every venue every restaurant cannot have any less parking than was required. I mean and by their license and usage, but this all begs the question okay nobody wants to talk about this come up with housing that's affordable on the eight and a half acres put in a damn garage because either the town is successful and we generate sales tax Or we have to come up with another way to pay our income for taxes, for services. The town lives on sales tax.

You want to make the town less desirable? No problem! Let's raise everybody's taxes somehow because you can't do it by real estate because that all goes to the county and regarding the gentrification I mean, the idea of somebody buying a home and then having to spend $200,000 to renovate versus buying it from a flipper and still paying the 800 is a financing issue.

Okay, that's not you know the gentrification of people coming in and buying. That's again that's a sign of ours the town success we've been here for four and a half years I love Ojai. I don't want to see it turn into Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket well coming from this guy that side of the coast or Catalina or some other very crowded place but we have to deal with the parking So an underground garage and housing that's affordable, not affordable, that's limited only to Ojai Valley residents and OSUD employees is not a bad idea. But we need to have this conversation. And this valet parking triggered it. They're a successful hotel. They've got to park someplace or kill their business.

Thank you.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:15:38

Next we have Marcy Tosher. Marcy, if you're there you can go ahead and speak. If you're muted please unmute yourself.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:15:48

Okay thank you. Okay could you hear me?

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:15:52

Yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:15:52

we can. Okay great um hang on I had my notes sorry okay Ojai has to become proactive, to protect quality of life for its residents as more and more businesses come to town bringing style tastes and accoutrements of where they're coming from. The rare and unique term of Ojai degrades bit by bit one block at a time. Our Ojai City Council needs to act proactively where it can to anticipate these degradations before it becomes necessary to scramble to offset I would like to start by saying that we are in a time of crisis.

It's a pleasure to be here with you. Thank you for having me. Add to the overproliferation of alcohol-related businesses and OI, the unwise mixture of eager for tipped valet parkers zipping around through residential blocks. And the situation seriously affects our quality of life as residents. City Council must ask itself at what point has the city bent so far to accommodate new alcohol and event businesses? And they're mostly out of town visitors. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. I want to start by saying that we are so grateful to all of our partners that life in our small town has forever changed. I remember seven years ago when a business wanted to open a brewery on Ojai Avenue council applied the not one more car trip into town generated rule and didn't green light the business.

Do No off-site valet parking, period. We locals find parking on the streets and we walk. If visitors want the full Ojai experience let them find a parking spot and walk. And let new businesses not intrude into residential neighborhoods behind the confines of their own properties especially if they eliminate existing parking spots that won't suffice anyway okay thank you thanks

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CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:18:25

Next we have Megan Berquist. Megan, if you're there, you can go ahead and speak. If you're muted, please unmute yourself. Okay. Oh, there. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:18:45

Thanks. Our streets are a... This is about the no off-site valet parking Item, what was the item? Number six. Our streets are a modern day element of what has traditionally been known as our commons due to the doubling on the number of car trips offsite valet parking puts more traffic on the streets of our community. Our streets or stated another way, our commons are already overburdened by tourism Please protect our community commons by saying no to offsite valet parking. It's just not worth it, thank you and thank you council.

Thank you Megan.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:19:37

Next we have Steve Kolamei. Mr. Kolame if you're there you can go ahead and speak if you're muted please unmute yourself.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:19:48

Good evening. I'm gonna change gears here a little bit and report very briefly on the greenhouse gas emission inventory that was produced for the city of Ojai, that was conducted by the Climate Emergency Mobilization Committee while still reporting to council. Council Member Blatz was instrumental in getting the Ventura County Air Pollution Control District to assist in this technical effort.

The key purpose was to determine how best to mitigate climate footprint for the city's general plan and related policies and programs. It turns out that the city of Ojai is a little bit different than statewide averages for a number of reasons. First, there are and it's fortunate no major permitted industrial or manufacturing facilities in Ojai or the Valley.

And the city adopted a default 100% clean electric power through the Clean Power Alliance for our electricity generation. And finally as one of those speakers has noted we have passed an ordinance requiring that lawn and garden equipment the battery electric and not internal combustion engine. So what we have for a greenhouse gas inventory in Ojai is that 54% of the greenhouse gases come from natural gas burning in residential and commercial buildings.

This value comes from the natural gas volume that's delivered to and consumed in the city. 41% from on-road transportation sources. The convention for doing a greenhouse gas inventory is to assign emissions to the location of vehicle registration, and we are charged for model statewide average travel by residents. And only 5% comes from the remaining off road mobile, and that's mainly transportation vehicles like earth moving, trenching, and tree trimming.

So these have real implications for how we can reduce our greenhouse gas. Thank you.

CommentTara JeffreyProposed · by introduction1:21:59

I'm a little confused. I thought anything related to off site valet parking would be under item six for discussion, which normally my understanding is any of those comments would be during that section.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:22:15

Council Member Haney pulled it off the agenda so if there are any comments on item six you can do it in public comment.

CommentTara JeffreyProposed · by introduction1:22:25

Okay thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:22:28

Mayor, should I just ask Mr. Colmey a quick question for him to please circulate that inventory? I'd love to see it to the council members.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:22:35

If you can circulate that information Steve, that would be wonderful. Gail we have about five more comments. That's

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:22:43

correct. We have...I'm showing four more. Okay thank you. Next we have Sherry and Kate. Ms. Kate you can go ahead and speak if you're muted. Please unmute yourself

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:22:59

There you go. Okay, thank you. We live in downtown Ojai a couple blocks off of Ojai Avenue and everybody in our neighborhood and beyond including the Arbolada know that the only way you get across Ojai Avenue is to go to Signal Street to the stoplight so that everybody has to take a turn there and you don't sit and wait. So I'm thinking that adding valet parking where you're going to have cars crossing Ojai Avenue at the signal because they have to, to get to some kind of valet parking lot on the other side of Ojai Avenue is going to cause that signal to go on and off and back up cars Down to the Y and up to the Collies. So it seems to me that if the city is going to think about doing valet parking, they need to...

I think Caltrans has to review this. You're really impacting a state highway by this decision. So I'm just urging you to go with caution. The future of our community is at stake And after all, the tourists flock here exactly because we are a small community. So allowing off-site parking could be a decision that will eventually kill our small goose that lays the golden egg here and your decision about this or the Planning Commission's decision about this or both is precedent setting because other business owners are going to want to follow us. This is like, you know, letting Pandora's box open. So I hope you will seriously think about this before making any decisions. Thank you.

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CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:25:09

Next we have Corinna, no last name. Corinna if you're there you can go ahead and speak if you're muted please unmute yourself.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:25:17

Hi it's Corinna Wright thank you. I wanted to speak tonight about the valet parking I just wanted to make a quick. Suggestion that we would have off site Valley parking here in Ojai, and I'm really urging the council to consider all the points that have been made previously to me. I don't know much what else I can add to Problems. You have a great business, you have a successful business, figure out your own parking situation. I'm just seeing this horrendous traffic jam of cars lining up waiting to be valeted and me trying to get back from Westridge with Tylenol for my child. It just seems like this has to, as Sherri-Anne just said, it really needs to be reviewed And I'm really surprised that it was taken off the agenda.

I hope that we'll be able to learn more about that and the process that allows something that is so impactful to our community, to simply be removed from the agenda the night of. And once again, I'm just asking you to consider keeping valet parking to on-site only. Thank you. Thank

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:26:48

you, Karina.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:26:50

Next we have Steve Quillacy. Mr. Quillacy if you're there you can go ahead and speak. If you're muted please unmute yourself.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:26:59

Okay thank you very much. Steve Quillacy here speaking as a private citizen. I read the discussion behind this item And I have to say, I was astonished.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:27:13

If I could jump in here briefly, Mr. Chair Quillacy of the Planning Commission, if you're speaking on item six regarding off-site valet parking, I would caution that item is scheduled to be on your agenda in two weeks. Speak cautiously regarding general policy and not anything specific to that application. Absolutely. Thank you,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:27:32

Matt. The mayor this evening having written the background to this, I guess And many of the speakers we've heard tonight seem to have confused off-site with on street in implying that off site valet parking is somehow restricting the rights of the disadvantaged. The disadvantaged have the same rights as any other citizen to on street parking spaces, that is public parking spaces so far as I know Subject to blue and red painted curbs.

Off-street parking spaces not owned by the city should be controlled by each parcel owner, subject to the state laws requiring handicapped parking spaces. That control that that parcel owner has should include the ability to adopt shared parking arrangements with other private property owners or lending, or leasing, or renting private off-street parking spaces to other private parties.

The disadvantaged have no more and no fewer rights to parking on private property than any other citizen. Perhaps the mayor simply wants to exert more control over private property. I can't tell. Or perhaps the mayor does not understand the difference between parking spaces on private property and parking spaces on public property. Finally, I am not losing my soul and I don't think the city is losing its soul over the issue of valet parking other than at the inn.

Thank you for your time.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:29:27

Thank you Steve. And we have one more speaker, Sydney Robertson. Mr. and Ms. Robertson if you are there please unmute yourself and you can go ahead and speak.

CommentSydney RobertsonProposedself-stated1:29:42

Hello my name is Sydney Robertson and I am also concerned about the prospect of on Valet parking, not onsite. Onsite valet parking is of course up to a business and is acceptable. Off-site valet parking regardless of whether or not the lot is private or public has an impact on the neighborhood by the increase in traffic and the impact in that particular corner would be significant as many speakers have noted. I would also like to point out that the number of businesses in the downtown and the downtown quarter has expanded rapidly over the last five or six years. And with the addition of the theater, that area is gonna be even further impacted by the number of cars and parking and looking for parking and picking people up. So those are my concerns.

I would hope that if there is valet parking deemed necessary it would have been limited to the site itself. And now I'm going to pass the, to my brother who is with me.

CommentColin RobertsonProposedself-stated1:30:55

My name is Colin Robertson born and raised here in current resident echoing Sydney's comments yes even if it's an off even if it's a private lot as I understand that you've labeled liable to be stacking cards so you will have a lot of in-and-out traffic there and you make your money as a valet by being quick There's that factor of expediency. And I do think any neighboring homes to a lot, they're not going to benefit much at all from the traffic and fumes.

Other than that, I do respect the job accounts is doing especially during these tough times. Thank you for your service and I hope you make a good decision.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:31:45

Thank you Cindy and Colin. Is that it Gail? Correct, no more. Okay wonderful thank you and thanks for all the wonderful comments much appreciated great to have so much.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:31:58

Mayor Sticks somebody else just raised their hand is it okay sure okay I have showing Sean Oliphant if you're there um you can go ahead and speak if you're muted please unmute yourself

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:32:14

yes thank you very much can you hear me? Yes Okay, I just wanted to comment on the off-site valet parking. Um, I've had the pleasure to work at the hotel for a total of 32 years now. 30 years for The Cliffs and now two years for the El Boblar Hotel. Um...I just have concerns on how this is being brought up in a timely matter on how the owners have worked really hard to accommodate all the restrictions and trying to make their proposal on what they want to do with the hotel property to get it open and remodeled I do know that the off-site parking lot is in consideration right behind the Oaks on Matilija Hall Street, on the empty vacant lot that they purchased.

As far as how much traffic that would impact the City of Ojai it'd be a short drive just to that lot which they would not have to cross Ojai Avenue and wouldn't cause any traffic at the signal light or crossing Ojai Avenue so i think I do understand the concerns about other people have voiced about neighboring houses, but it is adjacent right behind the existing hotel property.

As far as other proposed off-site valley parking, I think maybe this would be a good example on trying to see how it impacts at this moment and then go forward from what we learn the city and the neighboring homes on going ahead and letting the El Roblar move forward with this project, which they've been trying to do for a little over two years. And then learning from the experiences that's seen from this offsite valet parking in the vacant lot and possibly on another lot across O Avenue.

And I'm just concerned this can jeopardize the future of the hotel That's so close to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:34:17

moving forward. Also the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:34:19

future of many more employees that could be working and getting an income from the hotel, I'm bringing a lot more bed tax to the city, a lot more sales tax, a lot more visitors, and a lot more happy patrons visit the property and see this great property reopened again under what great glory it was before when I worked at the Hotel Spa And the great stories I've heard before when it was

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:34:44

just done. Thank you so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:34:47

much.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:34:49

All right, that's it, Gail? That's it. OK, wonderful. All right, let's move on to the consent calendar. Motion to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:34:55

approve? Motion to approve items 1A through M.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:35:00

Are you pulling something? I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:35:02

not. Oh, OK. It's A through M is everything. OK.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:35:04

Great. May

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 Motion to approve items 1A through M. Are you pulling something? I'm not. Oh, OK. It's A through M is everything. OK. Great. May the roll ca
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the roll call please, Gail? Council Member Weirich? Yes. Mayor Stixx? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Yes. Council Member Francina? Yes. Council Member Blacks? Yes,
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:35:22

if you can hear me.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction1:35:24

Yes I can hear you

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:35:25

Okay, wonderful. All right let's move on to discussion we'll move on to number item number two a review of Ojai Reach Codes ordinance requiring certain electric facilities for new construction residential and non-residential buildings. We have a staff report James?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:35:43

Yes, thank you. And I will take the opportunity real quick before we start just once again to apologize to the Council and to the public for the technical delays. We know everybody's had long days in coming out. We really appreciate people coming out and everybody's patience. We'll work to improve that so... But moving on to tonight's business, the first discussion item is the second six-month review of our reach codes.

I do want to provide some background because we've talked about reach codes quite a few times and I think we understand it but I talked to more and more people recently and realized that a lot of people don't know that terminology And so just to provide some background on November 10th of 2020, the city of Ojai adopted one of the first reach codes in the area and in the county. A reach, and just to explain what that is a reach code is a requirement that reaches beyond a minimum requirement. And in this case, the city adopted a reach code that required electric vehicles Connections for new construction, residential and non-residential buildings in place of gas stoves or gas heating or other gas items.

And the rationale is that it's intended to be a climate mitigation ordinance And so the city adopted that ordinance in November of 2020. There were specific exemptions adopted that are detailed in the report and when the city adopted that ordinance, the city scheduled a six-month review that we held in June of 2021 At that time, staff reported that the city had approved under the reach codes. The city had approved one single family residence, no new commercial buildings and five accessory dwelling units in the first six months at that time because of the timing But I think looking back at the last year, I think what we could see is I think these numbers would be expected to be fairly consistent.

We typically have one to three single family residences a year so those would typically be required to be built electric now under the REACH codes. We also typically have five to 20 or so accessory dwelling units in a year And those, as the ordinance is currently drafted would be exempt from the reach code. So I think that these last, the last year has given good data of what we would expect under this ordinance.

One last note is that I will note that although the accessory dwelling units are not required to meet reach codes, we do know that several of them were built with electrical instead of gas and do meet reach codes We just, they just are not required under the current ordinance. So lastly before I turn it back over the California building code cycle does begin this year we're anticipating to start the building code update process around August or September.

We had included the reach codes in our building code ordinance, so this year would be the time to start considering changes to the building code under that new cycle if desired by the City Council. So with that I'm happy to answer any questions.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:40:34

Thank you James. Any questions from council?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:40:39

Would you review just briefly again how many people voluntarily electrified their ADU?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:40:48

Yeah, we don't have exact numbers because since it's not required we up till now have not had a process to ask that question. We just know that we've had several properties that have told us I'm going to go electric, so we don't have the exact data. One suggestion I was going to make is depending on what Council chooses tonight, we could add that as a question so that we can collect that data moving forward.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:41:15

Okay thank you. Any other questions? Randy?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction1:41:19

James, is there any way after we receive public comments that we can pull the actual reach codes up and put them up on so that we can actually talk specifics if we want to do any modifications tonight or minimum talk modifications?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:41:35

Are you thinking the exemptions? We could pull the exemptions. Okay. Yep, we could do that. Thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:41:43

That's it. Oops, we'll go move forward for public comment. We'll start with Jeff Schneider then Michelle Ellison and then Andrew Ellison. Is Jeff here? Oh, yep. Come on down. Yeah, Jeff Schneider. Yep. Thank you.

CommentAndrew EllisonProposed · by introduction1:42:11

Okay, so I'm here to voice my opposition to this reach code. I think it's very much a overreach and it worries me because of the intrusion that I think these impositions by the city make on us and pretty soon they erode and intrude upon our individual freedoms A wise man once said that big government makes for small citizens, and I believe that very intensely.

And I see it as one more step from progressive politics to keep intruding on our freedoms. And I want it to cease. Thank you very much.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:43:00

Thank you, Jeff. Next we have Michelle Ellison and then Andrew Ellison and then Mark Whitman. And just a reminder it is two minutes because we have so many speakers. Thank you.

CommentAndrew EllisonProposed · by introduction1:43:09

Thank you. Good evening Council. It's really nice to be here with you in person. I just want to start off by expressing my gratitude to each one of you for taking the important step of passing an all electric reach code and beginning the process of phasing out fossil fuel gas. So thank you. It's my hope that since the last ordinance review, you've had more time to reconsider all of the information that shows the benefits of going all electric and we'll use this opportunity to clean up the code so that it can be a greater impact.

As study after study show all electric new buildings are cheaper to build and operate are better for our health and safety and reduce GHG emissions driving climate change in Ojai gas use in buildings is a primary source of emissions as we heard from Steve So it's critical we stop adding new gas infrastructure and digging ourselves a deeper hole. The current ordinance has nine exemptions which significantly dilute the impact and pose a health and safety risk to residents, so they should be removed. The exemptions for ADUs in affordable housing are of particular concern since that is where most of the building is happening. and disproportionately impacts renters and low-income residents who are living in smaller units with higher concentration of toxic air pollutants, putting them at increased risk for respiratory disease.

New units built with gas will cost more and put occupants in harm's way. Since I don't have more time beyond the two minutes, I'll skip what I was going to say about restaurants and the other exemptions. And focus on what the climate scientists are telling us that they're warning governments at all levels everywhere to take immediate and unprecedented steps to curb emissions This means we're going to have to take some actions that may be inconvenient or incur some short-term costs in order to avoid the exponentially higher societal and economic costs associated with climate catastrophes. So even if building all electric were to cost more, we must still do it but the great news is it doesn't cost more it actually costs less So we've got, you know, we have a lot harder and more important work ahead of us including retrofitting and electrifying existing buildings.

This reach code for new construction... Thanks so much. We must and can do better.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:45:20

Thank you Michelle. Next we have Andrew Ellison then Mark Whitman and then Wendy Larner

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction1:45:29

Good evening As I know this council, I know you're all paying attention and you're very concerned about an impending climate catastrophe. Because if you weren't, you wouldn't have bothered to recognize the climate emergency and impanel a Climate Committee. Everybody who's paying attention is trying to figure out what they can do, how they can help, and you've shown your willing to engage with reality on this.

As for me in my family, we're doing everything we can Electrifying, using renewable energy, encouraging people we can influence. It feels good to try but the hard reality is that what I choose to do at my house it doesn't matter. I'm just some guy on one little street and one little home and any single individual acting on their own behalf doesn't make a difference in this fight regardless of how rich or how influential maybe somebody owns a big company and they can change things in a few buildings so what?

But there are a very few people whose decisions can actually make a difference. You're those people, you. Policymakers are the only people that make decisions that change things at scale. You and only you can move the needle. And I know this is just a village and the real changes may have to come from Sacramento and Washington and Brussels and Beijing, but right now they're deep in the pockets of Exxon Mobil and alike.

They're buried in a bureaucratic quagmire that won't resolve today. They've handcuffed themselves and they can't lead, but you can. So it has to start here. It has to start with you. You have to show the way in our community And we've created an ordinance where now up to 96% of new construction keeps burning gas, like nothing's wrong. Like nothing needs to change that doesn't move the needle. That's I'm here to ask you guys to close the loopholes. Then

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:47:31

Wendy Larner and then Jack Weber

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CommentJack WeberProposed · by introduction1:47:39

Good evening, Council. Thank you for your service. It's an honor to be here tonight. I'm here representing the Hawaii Climate Emergency Mobilization Committee and I know we are here tonight to discuss the reach code in the removal of the current exemptions And one of the issues that has come up in the past is the cost of building all electric compared to dual fuel or gas and electric.

I supplied a cost comparison that shows that an all-electric residence is significantly cheaper than a dual fuel residence. I could talk about this spreadsheet in detail, but I'd like to spend the rest of my time on what's the next step forward as a community to address the current climate crisis? The world is producing 51 million tons of carbon per year. The Paris Climate Accord set a deadline to become carbon neutral by the year 2050, but many scientists say that this deadline is way too late.

The California AIA, the Association of Architects has made a commitment to become carbon neutral by the year 2030 A new state law requires architects to take five hours of carbon zero training every two years to renew their architect's license. The state and utility companies are developing new green power plants and are giving financial incentives to switch to all electric.

Cities such as San Francisco have taken bold measures to phase out gas equipment in commercial buildings by the year 2030. The city of Santa Barbara has a climate action plan I feel our next step should be to develop a similar climate action plan to become carbon neutral by the year 2030. The plan could set goals and benchmarks to reduce the carbon on a yearly basis on all levels. Oops, got eight seconds left but I had added this speech quite a bit but I think the city where we're small, where we're up in the bucket, I think we can become leaders not only in the state, the country, but also in the world. Thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:49:52

Thank you Mark. Next we have Wendy Larner then Jack Weber and then Tom Francis

CommentTom FrancisProposed · by introduction1:50:00

In paragraph five on the administrative report, it talked about changes in the REACH code amendments in ordinance number 918 altogether. I would like to recommend and like to voice a desire for it to be repealed, the amendments, the REACH code amendments They were initiated under the false assumption that we know the actual natural climate change in the past and the present. We do not, I'm not asserting that climate is not changing and I am not denying there is some evidence that man has affected it but I am speaking against the false assumption that we know what we're doing here And we know what can be done about climate change in the future. That too is a false assumption. Let's be realistic, Ojai's use of efficient gas and equipment and appliances will not affect global climate change but it will unnecessarily affect the people who can least afford expensive and costly energy costs It will, do you recognize electricity is still being made at primarily from coal and natural gas at electric producing plants?

So it is just moving the location of the emissions. Let it also unnecessarily limits the free choice of Americans Those that desire to follow this and build electrically only because they want to build more inexpensively or they're convinced this is a problem, they're certainly free to do that. Let those that choose not to or do not believe the hype about a climate crisis Make your choices well. Face it, we have no feasible alternative fuels available to us that don't worsen things.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:52:13

Thank you, Wendy. Next we have Jack Weber then Tom Francis then Erica Helson

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:52:20

Greetings council members nice to see you again, I just want to address a couple points that were made previously Mr Schneider. If you if you want to talk about personal intrusion many millions of people all over the world are having tremendous personal intrusions precisely because of the climate crisis. Ventura County, Southern California all of California the whole western coast is experiencing tremendous personal intrusion because of the climate crisis. Switching over to electric is not a big intrusion Moreover, per the last person who spoke who was here we've spoken for a few years about the symbolic nature of Ojai as a city, as a progressive city that can be emblematic for the state, the country, the world. So our actions go far beyond Ojai and that's the point and the other point is that we have to do our part where we are to contribute Okay, so Council Members I have spoken before you.

I have sent you letters with many facts for years. I am not going to speak about all the facts tonight. You can read my book which i've offered to you which has tons of facts. I simply want to from my heart And from my sense of urgency, to encourage you to please get on board with aggressive climate action. The low-hanging fruit here is a simple reach code which has tons of holes which are exemptions. Please get rid of the exemptions. Let's move on. We have much bigger fish to fry.

Bill, Randy, Ryan, wherever you are Please get on board with the climate crisis. Get on board to the climate train because it has left the station and by the time elections come around this year here in Ojai, it may be too late for you to get on. Thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:54:21

Thank you Jack. Next we have Tom Francis then Erica Helsin and then Colin Jones.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction1:54:28

Good evening, council members and mayor again. I'm going to start with a quote by Dr. Jane Goodall. You cannot get through a single day without having an impact on the world around you. What you do in this case Bill Randy and Ryan makes a difference And you have to decide what kind of difference you want to make. I'm gonna make my own comments. Those who believe that climate change is real fall in one of two categories, those who simply talk about it and those who do what they can with what they have.

Tonight all five of you on the council have the power to vote, to end hookups, to planet killing energy for things that are newly constructed in Ojai. Please own your power and use it to vote for a reach code that is free of loopholes. I also have a point of order, I have a question maybe for Matt since agenda item 6 was tabled Members of the public were able to speak about that item during public comment, but I'm fairly certain that the mayor also had comments on that item. So is the mayor allowed to comment to her constituents about agenda item six like the public was? Or is the motion that was made by the three men on the council basically make it so the mayor can't speak on the topic?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:56:13

I work for the council. I will answer the question if the council would like me

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:56:17

I'd love to know the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:56:18

answer. The mayor may speak on the item during general public comment with her comments that shipped his sale generally, but you could speak about it if you wish. You also have other avenues available to speak.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:56:36

Okay. I would like to actually do that because I didn't know that I could, but I would like to do that. So thank you. Thank you, Matt. Okay. Next we have Erika Helson, Collin Jones and then Anita Hendricks.

CommentAnita HendricksProposed · by introduction1:56:53

Hi good evening my name is Erika and I live downtown in a home that is currently being converted to all electric with buildings being one of the biggest sources of emissions in Ojai I think that the REACH code is a great start. I'm really proud of Ojai for showing leadership in adopting this code But we know that there's very little new construction actually happening in Ojai, so the Reach Code isn't having a huge impact at this point. And that's why we need to remove the exemptions especially for ADUs Building all electric is cheaper because you don't need to run gas lines, but also because there are great rebates available.

So for example, the Tech Clean California Initiative offers $3,000 for heat pumps for space heating and also for heat pump water heaters. I also work for the County of Ventura for the Sustainability Division and we're launching a new rebate program next month for Tri-County residents that will further bring down the cost of building all electric So I think there's great support to continue the work that we've started with the All Electric Reach Code, and we're in a really great position to remove the exemptions.

And furthermore, I think to avoid the worst of climate change, we need to move beyond new construction and focus on all electric for existing buildings. Thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role1:58:11

Thank you, Erica. Next, we have Colin Jones then Anita Hendricks and then Mary Dalton.

CommentMary DaltonProposed · by introduction1:58:23

Guys, the Reach Code adopted in the city of Ojai November last year dictates that all new buildings in the city be built to use electric power only removing the choice for citizens to choose natural gas. Now, the implementation of the Reach Code will obviously cause an additional demand on the electric grid which is already operating at full capacity In the first heat wave of last year, we were warned that thermostats should be set to 78 degrees and expect rolling blackouts. And indeed, last year we experienced these rolling blackouts in San Diego County 830,000 homes were without power for some length of time.

California leads the nation in electric power outages. There were 25,281 blackout events in 2019, a 23% increase over 2018 affecting 28.4 million utility customers and it's getting worse. Add to that, there are only carbon free energy generation the Diablo Canyon nuclear reactor which supplies 10% of California's electricity is going permanently offline in 2024.

At the same time that we're phasing out fossil fuels. Today in California, fossil fuels supply 50% of electric generation. California is the biggest net importer of electric energy over other states, importing 25% of our electric from coal-fired plants, natural gas, hydroelectric, nuclear and other sources. One reason inputs are so high in California it's his refusal to build any more electrical generation plants.

An article in last May's Wall Street Journal stated that when gas is no longer an option, when competition has been removed then the electric utilities will be free to raise prices as the only game in town. California supplies the most expensive electricity west of the Mississippi River in the continental U.S., and California is also their least reliable supplier.

Had the Council considered any of this before adopting the Reach Code? And do they have an answer for how this new demand for electrical power can be met? Thank you. I'd also like to say that I never read anything about the Valley Parking thing, it wasn't in the newspaper and it just seems really suspiciously coincidental that so many people called in today like it was organized. Okay thank you Colin. This doesn't feel good.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:01:05

Next we have Anita Hendricks and then we have Mary Dalton.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:01:15

Is she

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:01:17

here? Okay, all right. Thank you. Any public comments on Zoom Gail?

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction2:01:27

Yes we do if there's anyone else in the zoom meeting who would like to speak.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:01:33

We have one more public comment right now okay yep

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:01:38

And Mayor, I have a request. I don't know if I should make it now. I want to make it now actually while people are still on Zoom. Can someone from the Climate Emergency Committee respond to the issues that were raised by Colin Jones and Wendy Liner? Give them an even if they've spoken before, perhaps they can speak again.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:02:01

Okay, let's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:02:02

maybe see if Steve column a is listening, perhaps Dr column a could respond.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:02:07

We have a comic. Hi.

CommentSerena AllisonProposedself-stated2:02:11

Hi, my name is Serena Allison and I wanted to make a public comment. So I just wanted to say that we should go to 100% clean energy for all the new built houses in our community And because gas can hurt the environment and the environment, if it gets too bad and there's too much pollution then it can hurt our lungs and our bodies and it can change what we are like.

And if energy is like a big thing, so I think we should probably rather go to energy than gas. And if our houses had 100% gas then we wouldn't be able to watch TV which is something very fun to do every once in awhile but that's all I was gonna say. Thank

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:03:21

you Serena. Okay, we have some public comments on zoom. Yeah. Yes,

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction2:03:30

one moment. Thank you. Okay, the first person we have is Danny Anderson. Ms. Anderson I'm going to unmute you if you would. If you're muted, please unmute yourself and you can go ahead and speak. Danny Anderson, if you're there, you can go ahead and speak Okay, I know that she's there so I'm going to mute her again and we'll go on to the next person. The next person is Justin Pennington.

Mr. Pennington if you're there you can go ahead and speak if you're muted please unmute yourself.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:04:13

Hi good evening council when I first found out that Ojai had taken steps to enact a reach code for new construction Proud to be joining a community which is leading by example in the fight against climate change and declaring a climate emergency to put the health and safety of its community at the forefront. I applaud the City Council in taking that step, and I wish to state my support that during the review of the REACH code that the council looked further strengthened the code by eliminating the exemptions which allow additional natural gas lines to still be installed such as in the case of ADUs The only way for us to meet our goals in decarbonization and to be carbon neutral is by putting a stop to installing new gas lines and services which these exemptions allow.

From an energy efficiency perspective, electric equipment such as heat pumps are much greater than the gas with energy conversion ratios 4 to 1 or 5 to 1, when gas has an efficiency of less than one-to-one ratio. This means for each unit of electricity we get four units, four to five units of energy per heating or cooling compared to less than one unit of energy per unit of gas.

Induction cooking has proven far more efficient than a gas or electric stove top. The more energy efficient our homes can be The less stress we will have on the utility grid. The technology is already here and available and affordable in both first costs and operational costs, and the studies are available to prove it. Natural gas is a fossil fuel and will always result in carbon emissions and air pollutants.

To meet the 100% clean energy goal for our climate community, we first need to eliminate installing new gas lines. And that's a way to do that is by strengthening the reach code And I support the recommendation that we consider developing a formal climate action plan for

CommentAndrew EllisonProposed · by introduction2:06:17

OI.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:06:17

Thank

CommentAndrew EllisonProposed · by introduction2:06:18

you.

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CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction2:06:23

Next, we have Steve Kolame. Mr. Kolame if you're there, you can go ahead and speak if you're unmuted. If you're muted please unmute yourself and you can go ahead and speak.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:06:33

I think I've unmuted myself and thank you for hearing me again. I'm going to speak narrowly to a strong reason for eliminating these exemptions, which is indoor air quality. Natural gas use has been known in the public health community for decades to produce indoor air quality that is worse than measured outdoors in polluted cities. Natural gas itself is a greenhouse gas that is more potent than carbon dioxide producing CO2 and other combustion gases when it is burned even efficiently.

Natural gas is primarily methane, but it contains trace amounts of toxic contaminants including benzene, formaldehyde and sulfur compounds that are purposefully added to prevent leaks from leading to a buildup of combustible or explosive levels of methane. Combustion of methane produces health-damaging pollutants including oxides of nitrogen and carbon monoxide.

Now the indoor air quality concern comes from both vented and unvented appliances. Vented appliances can have fully or partially blocked exhaust pipes or cracked fireboxes, leading to combustion gases entering the home through ductwork. While gas stoves and ranges may have vent hoods, these are not efficient at removing combustion gases and often in the city of Ojai designed to or simply recirculating units that are designed only to remove the greasy smoke fumes.

A recent Stanford study that was published last month indicated that a surprise is that there is more methane released in a gas stove when it's turned off than when it's on, because the valves that are put into residential gas stoves are not designed as instrument grade valves and they leak even when the stove is not running. So I urge you to...

CommentColin RobertsonProposedself-stated2:08:37

Thank you, Steve.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction2:08:46

I will try Danny Anderson again. Miss Anderson if you're there um he i think you're unmuted you can go ahead and speak

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:08:53

tell me it's working

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction2:08:55

yes we can hear

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:08:56

you thank you good evening mayor and city council my name is Dani i'm the new government relations manager for southern california edison for your city I want to convey SE strong support for the Reach Code with as few exemptions as possible. Reducing emissions from building, the building sector is a vital part of our efforts to meet California's ambition carbon, ambitious carbon neutrality goal.

All electric new construction is cost effective in every climate zone across the state SE is very busy reinforcing the grid for a clean energy future. We're working to help customers also retrofit their existing homes and businesses. This past December, we submitted an application to the California Public Utilities Commission requesting authorization to offer $677 million in incentives for retrofits.

If approved, our building electrification program would not only offer incentives for heat pump water heaters and heat pump HVACs. It would also provide assistance for customer side infrastructure upgrades such as panel upgrades and running new electrical. I recognize that almost all of Ojai's housing stock is existing. Tackling these existing homes is something that the reach code before you just does not currently address.

We do offer assistance to local governments that want to develop new reach codes should the City Council decide to go further than new construction. Our Codes and Standards team in the Customer Service Department provides technical assistance to those local governments who are exploring new energy codes. In fact, we're currently working with the County of Ventura as I know was previously mentioned On their reach code. So I want to thank the city for really taking climate change seriously and addressing this ordinance, and we look really forward to partnering and assisting you in this endeavor. Thank you so much.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:10:47

Thank you so much. Could you take a question from Council?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:10:53

I can sure try. I know a little bit about a lot of things.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:10:56

Thank I heard from some members of the public are concerned that if we go all electric and we get rid of the exemptions, that allows Southern California Edison to raise the prices because there's no competition with gas. Can you respond to that? There's an oversight from the public utilities commission, I believe. You cannot simply raise prices that are not... Do you get the gist of it? You can't-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:11:40

I do and you're correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:11:41

Yes, it's all regulated. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Danny.

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GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:11:50

Any more public comments on Zoom?

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction2:11:53

Yes, we have. We have one more Megan Burkvist. Okay Miss Burkvist if you're there you can go ahead and speak it looks like you're muted if you can unmute yourself you can go ahead and talk

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:12:05

okay hi can you hear me

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction2:12:06

yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:12:07

okay great So we are the first generation to be able to end poverty and the last generation that can take steps to avoid the worst impacts of climate change. Future generations will judge us harshly if we fail to uphold our moral and historical responsibilities So that is a quote from Ban Ki-moon, the Secretary General of the United Nations. And with that I ask you to please remove all the loopholes slash exemptions and pass a clean reach code for our children and for future generations. Thank you so very much and thank you Mayor Council and staff for all your work on this.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:12:57

Thank you, Megan. Okay that will conclude our public comment on this issue. All right in the future we put them in earlier so that we can... No no I mean for this item when it's called Jeffrey thank you. We got Jeffrey Starkweather and Lise Martin

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposedself-stated2:13:28

I just wanted to comment on one of the speakers who mentioned the energy retrofit, and then the last speaker from Southern California Edison that mentioned that most of the houses are existing I think, I'd love to either the climate committee or something with a town to look into developing a municipal energy retrofit program for our houses. That's where you could have the biggest bang for the buck.

I've been involved in those back in North Carolina work communities We've used banks and financed it and enable people to actually retrofit, retrofit their houses energy efficiency up to like $12,000, and their payment per month. I'm paying this back was less than the amount of energy they were saving. So it didn't cost them anything. So there are ways to make these programs and of course, the state of California has all kinds of incentives, obviously the energy companies too. I think it would be a worthwhile thing for our community to look at a program like this because most of our housing is existing and we have very little new housing. Thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:14:39

Thank you, Jeffrey. Last we have Lise Martin.

CommentLise MartinProposedself-stated2:14:49

Hi, my name is Lise Martin. I would like to speak on behalf of CHOICE. I really think we're limiting ourselves if we don't continue to keep the exemptions in place that we have put. I really feel like during the Thomas Fire there were people who were able to sustain themselves by using their gas when the electricity failed. I also note that I had a budget plan for myself for the future Thank you. Thank you, Mr Mayor and members of the public. I just want to make a quick comment on this item. I think it's one of the most important items that I could retire on and all of our utilities have gone through the roof since the Thomas fire. Just like we don't want one lane to leave town if we're having a fire, I think that if we are able to, Housing stock properties like the one that I have, I do have gas and we work with it to keep it very clean.

But I feel like people who have attached ADUs that are on those properties should be able to maintain the option to have gas. There are also people who are chefs and who prefer gas over electric. I don't know how many of you cook with electric It's a whole different thing. I've cooked both ways, but I do think that and I'm going to say something that will be very highly unpopular but my understanding is that Russia is selling tons, tons and tons of coal to China, and China is building coal plants You know, in huge volumes now I know the United States wants to take leadership and I do agree with that. But I think we should look at the part that is ours to play and how to do it mindfully without being.

Without continuing to have choice with all of our natural resources and how we maintain our flexibility.

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GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:16:47

All right, that concludes a public comment will move

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction2:16:52

on to Mayor Sticks. Oh sorry. This is Gail. We have one more speaker on zoom. Okay I'll bring him in this is Larry Steingold Mr. Steingold you can go ahead and speak okay there you go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:17:08

Thank you. First, on regulation and the board of FERC or whatever I call BS on that last time rates went down was never so yes they're regulated yeah they're regulated to go up so put that aside it could be restraint of trade but no one's going there how about nuclear power hey Three years ago, five years ago, 20 years ago the same people who are jumping up and down about air quality were jumping up and down about nuclear. Well Bill Gates and his buddy Buffett are building a new reactor up in Wyoming as a test facility. Well okay how about lithium mines that power all the batteries? We don't see that we only see electricity here so the hypocrisy of this is a bit much. So let's call it what it is, okay?

And that's fine. Well we can call it for the... But more importantly and I would like to ask Matt a question. How often has a city councilor asked for a competing comment after a speaker? Is that permitted because our councillors Susan Franke did that She asked for somebody to come up and comment on somebody else's comment. Is that permitted, normal, expected?

So I think that's more from your issue but I think the idea of limiting us to one monopoly controlling the power is bad business it's bad common sense because every time the rate goes up and every time we have a brownout we're screwed OK, I have gas heat. I have electric. I have both. OK? But the idea of limiting us and our safety which everybody seems to want for our children and we wrap our arms around it every day is why limit us to one monopoly that's regulated until the lobbyists send the donations. Thank you

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:19:14

Larry. Oh

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:19:17

thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:19:18

Okay, Matt do you want to address that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:19:21

Again, as noted I work for the council so that's what the council requests. As requested by the mayor yes any council member can ask when public comment has not yet closed that other commenters come answer a question or respond to a point. So too any council member may ask a question of anyone in the audience no one is compelled to answer this is not a court no one's under oath and the council as a whole could or the mayor first council as whole second direct that the commentary after public comment is closed be just counsel

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:19:52

Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. All right, let's move on to discussion. I would like to begin. We adopted our initial code in November 2020 and this is the second review as we're experiencing extended drought and climate change driven aridification many in our community are demanding we walk our climate talk now not later when the climate wins we win Right now, we can choose to eliminate the loopholes in our code that allow fossil energy hookups in new construction.

Any new development should be electric with no exemptions. When I did my ADU, I went electric and it is fantastic and I feel a lot better having a tenant, my friend, in there in a healthy environment. Technology is developing on-load sharing if an electrical is maxed out. For example, with currently available technology one can program the load so the dryer or water heater can temporarily shut down while other more vital appliances need the power. That technology is here And it is time for those constructing ADUs to use it as I did at my house. And please come on over and see it, it's spectacular.

So I'm gonna make a motion to remove all of the exemptions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:21:14

I think for purposes of discussion, I will second that motion. I would still like to go through all of the exemptions. Okay

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:21:24

well let's go ahead and have a roll call to remove all of the exemptions

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:21:30

Without discussion, Mayor. We're just exempting discussion today?

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:21:37

Ryan just said that well I mean I made a motion to remove all of the exemption so how about we have a roll call on that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:21:49

I'd like to make a point of order that is completely inappropriate to cut off all discussion without a vote of the council that is not currently a part of our protocols or ever anything we've ever done If you want to eliminate the discussion period and move straight to a vote, I have a serious problem with that.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:22:08

Okay well would you like to comment on the exemptions Ryan?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:22:11

I think Sousa tried to first and I think Mr. Weirich and Mr. Haney probably wanted to comment as well. Yes Mayor we've never Shut down our council for having a discussion after the period.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:22:21

No, I don't want to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:22:21

shut it down.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:22:23

If all of us agree that we don't need these exemptions anymore than

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:22:27

this Francina just said she didn't agree and she wanted to discuss it further and I did as well what do you mean? We all

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:22:31

agree for purpose of discussion.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:22:33

Okay. All right. Go ahead Susan

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:22:38

Well, my thinking was that it would make sense to go through the exemptions that are listed on page two of the attachment that was provided to us by the Climate Committee beginning with temporary buildings such as construction trailers. And I think this is an exemption that we definitely don't need but I would like to know how the rest of my colleagues on the council feel about going through each exemption individually. That seems to me, that makes sense to me beginning with number one.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:23:17

Well, what about if we, if you just, if you would like to keep any exemptions, you discuss the ones that you want to keep? Randy or Bill? Or Ryan? Is that possible, James?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:23:41

Yeah we can pull it up. It's on the staff report on page 2-2 has it but I can pull up...I'm pulling up and sharing my screen. It'll be visible here on the screens. Counting down from three two one So, and they are listed in on page two too if that's easier to see but the exceptions I'll just go in order exception one is a building which is temporary such as a construction trailer.

And I'll read through them quickly. Yeah, number two attached accessory dwelling units. Number three any freestanding accessory dwelling unit if the applicant can demonstrate that it would require a installation of an upgraded electric utility panel Number four, new or replacement stationary emergency generators powered by natural gas. Number five, any portion of a new residential building that contains residential units de-restricted as affordable housing.

Number six, any project where compliance would adversely affect the project's participation in the PACE program, the Property Assessed Clean Energy Program. Number seven, any remodel or modification to a residential or non-residential building that has already been issued a certificate of occupancy or final approval before January 1st 2021. Including newer modified outbuildings, accessory structures and equipment, pool heaters, outdoor fireplaces and outdoor cooking facilities on the same parcel as the existing building. Eight newer modified restaurants and nine newer replacement swimming pool heaters and related equipment. And so those are the list we'll keep it up and we can look at those individually. And then there is a hardship exemption as well which is on the next page so I can pull that up if we want to discuss that.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:25:55

Thank you, James. Bill?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:25:57

Yeah I want to come in along the lines of what Ryan said because what I find disturbing Mayor is a rush to have this sort of reductionist simplistic view of a very complex matter that's not serving the community and i think that it's Thank you, Mr. Chairman. you know, command and control approaches to the public good. And I want to give one example that struck me that's come up tonight from what the EPA is now reporting, the federal EPA, that the states of Massachusetts, New York and Pennsylvania when they decided to shutter their nuclear power plants are now three states with larger greenhouse emissions than they had before We need to think of systems approaches to the climate change issue.

You know, what are the things that are really going to be impactful and make a difference? Frankly I'm very excited about looking into our new budget cycle for things like implementing more a better pattern of charging stations in our community Thank you very much. The ADUs, well no there's not a problem with affordable housing because that's not working against our affordable housing goal to mandate this let's say on an existing parcel that wants to add an ADU because it's cheaper.

If it's cheaper why do we need to mandate it? If it's cheaper, why don't we enhance that incentive? I ran into somebody talking to me about the amount of permits that they've been paying for 900 or small ADUs which kind of shocked me frankly how high they were. We're gonna have to discuss this later on. Why don't we waive fees for our goal of let's say if somebody wants to build an ADU a small ADU on an existing site Again, I'll just ask that question. If it's really cheaper and more expensive and the statement was made it's cheaper to install and to operate well any rational person would make that choice.

The other thing that I want to say these are questions I don't have answers but a reductionist simplistic view doesn't serve the public good in terms of thinking through what makes sense here for this community I don't understand what's going on with the CPUC. The California Public Utility Commission in January mandated the purchase of products, or what they're classifying as renewable gas from organic digesters. We have a massive switch, a massive mandate of not putting organic waste in landfills and saying it needs to be diverted to other purposes. We're just doing a new anaerobic digester plant here in...

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:29:54

Well,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:29:55

why don't you just let me finish Mayor? Okay.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:29:59

I've

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:29:59

just... May I...Mayor, that's really rude not to just let me continue.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:30:04

Okay, I'm just...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:30:05

I'm going...I guess you don't understand what a renewable gas protocol is. And what Mayor, this is the reductionist thinking that's a problem that you're exhibiting tonight. Okay? The point I'm trying to make is if there's no place to distribute the renewable gas What's the point of the CPUC regulations that are mandating the interconnection protocols? I don't understand to the natural gas distribution system. In other words, we have regulations from our state under our renewable portfolio that I'm trying to understand how this intersects with all these other measures to accomplish the end of systems view way of addressing climate change in a Comprehensive approach and not a simplistic approach.

So I just, I have more questions than I have answers. And that's why I think that this was brought to us for a staff report and feedback from council. And I frankly need a lot more information before I know how to decide whether for example requiring any new ADU to upgrade its electric panel, in taking away that option for someone that's facing that choice. Does that serve the larger community interest of the affordable housing goal along with the approach of addressing climate change and greenhouse emissions?

So I don't know the answers to all these questions Um but I do know that simplistic answers are rarely serve the public good.

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CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:32:02

So, The uh The question tonight before us is I think it's pretty simple and it's simple for me. I'm only going to speak for When these reach codes came to us the first time, they were brought to us by five people that were very bright. They were hand selected and I believe that they put the best package forward that they could at the time and even then we had questions regarding it so Part of the question that I have is for me personally, am I gonna keep straddling the fence or am I gonna get off the fence?

And I think that all of us in this community have to ask ourselves that same question. It's undeniable there is something happening to our environment. If we start from that premise, we might be able to work together to figure out how to solve it But right now we have two camps where one camp says there isn't, and one camp says there is. But the reality is to all of us who are willing to moderate their views, to gather as much information as they can and do the best they can it's time for us to get off the fence.

So that's where I am. My suggestion for the reach codes tonight was going to be that we don't accept anything, but we put them on a meter based program and electrical meter or your it's not electrical meter, but it's your electrical panel coming into your home. For instance, the age of our housing is probably 50 to 65 years old Most of the amps that serve our homes are generally 60 or 50.

So to me, to do any of the upgrades that we would like to see achieved, we've got to figure out how to help one, how to educate people on how to do that two, to create as many incentives that we can so they will do it and three for the people that can do it. We need to tell them that we expect you to do it So for instance, if I'm doing a remodel because we don't do much new construction here and that was probably the fallacy the first time around. And I'm sure it was because the climate committee wanted to get something through. We attached it to new development.

We've had three new homes built in three years. Let's let's get real here. That's not going to solve that problem. So if we tied it into your into your service panel. If I'm doing a remodel and my existing panel is 60 amps, and to do the complete remodel that I need and do the upgrades that I need, I may have to upgrade that panel from 60 to 120 to 200 and sometimes more.

So we could write into this code simply that if you double the size of your panel, that it's now mandatory that you go to all electric. Now that's one thought. The other thought is, how do we take the woman who spoke earlier about being on a fixed income? Because I agree that's a huge problem. I would like to see us when we come back in June, in July and we renegotiate with our building and safety element with that company. That we try to create something where we can have a building the safety official actually go out to one of these homes and help these people assess their Electrical and environmental needs, and then let's create something that will give them an incentive or help them to achieve it. So we need to do it two ways not one way.

And we don't need to beat someone over the head with a stick. We need to create an environment where we educate people, where we talk directly to them, we support them, we help them, and we create that environment that we want called success. So I think the REACH codes need to go back for a complete review, not just a blanket shut it down. Because I think there's some things that we could do better and I think that there's more information that we could gather and I think that there's more systems that we can put in place to support all of the members of our community, not just the wealthy Because if you're wealthy, I don't think you have a problem. If you had to go completely reach if you had to go completely all electric but there's some in our community that are on fixed incomes that have no ability to do what we'd like them to do.

You know, for instance I'm the liaison to and I'm sorry mayor for speaking but it's the only time we're going to have to actually vet our feelings on this. I'm working with as a liaison to the Green Coalition. I think the Green Coalition is the entity that could actually look at how to help people of moderate income to succeed in changing

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:37:42

This is about new

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:37:43

construction. This goes directly back to the Reach Code that I am not going to agree tonight to shut all of the exemptions down, what I'm gonna recommend tonight is that we go back and we review them thoroughly and come back and make these decisions wisely but create something that we can all work within That's where I believe we are, Mayor. So

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:38:16

I just want to remind everyone this is the second review. It's what we have reviewed for the third.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:38:21

It could be the 10th if it doesn't work, it doesn't work and we need to make something work.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:38:27

Um, I can't see Ryan comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:38:31

Yeah, please. Thank you mayor. Uh, first of all, I'm the one who asked for a six month review on this when he first did it. And the reason was exactly why we're here now. And I, I'm just going to re-stress that was completely inappropriate to try and close down the entire discussion and try and ram a vote through. We've never done that before, and I don't know what's going on and why that would ever be necessary on a council where we're here to respect each other's opinions. We just listened to many comments from the public. I think our council members should have an opportunity to respond and discuss this as well. And I've never seen anything like that. That is really disheartening.

This six month review is important because I wanted to see where we were. Now, what we really realized when we originally started this was that we probably wouldn't know much after six months because the impact of these reach codes in Ojai is so minimalistic that when it was first approached to us, it was determined and talked about as being almost exclusively ceremonial and not having a huge impact on the climate.

And we wanted to be able to be listed along other cities as having an electric reach code. We wanted Ojai to lead by example, but we are not going to change the air quality in Ojai or anywhere else with these particular reach codes. There's been one new construction. There's been five ADUs. We have a policy as a city that because of our significant housing situation that we have prioritized ADU construction And what has been anticipated to be at least an argument about it being cheaper with gas than to putting in electric. Now we don't know how many of those exactly necessarily a gas or electric, however, we know one thing that if what is said to us over and over again is true, that electric is cleaner, better, healthier, cheaper, cheaper to install, cheaper to use, cheaper everything there is no argument that anybody would have And they would be absolutely irrational, as Mr.

Weirich said to put in anything but electric. You don't need a hammer to convince people to do what they were going to do naturally anyway. I don't know why we feel we need to stick on this when the carrot already exists. I have been called a climate denier over this issue. I was the chairman of the air pollution control district board I have done more projects in overseeing this community and the Valley having the first clean air reports in its history. Nobody else on this council, in the history of the council ever was willing to join the Air Pollution Control Board. Believe me, I am very sensitive these issues. I have helped pitch more ideas for electric vehicle chargers for other installations, for infrastructure or stuff we do out on the water.

But I am a member of the Ojai City Council And when I weigh the benefit of these reach codes and their exemptions, they are not overwhelming for the problems that could increase when we talk about housing, ADU infill and some of these other issues. In fact, one of the reports we had said like property assessed clean energy is only for existing buildings. It's not it's rarely used for existing buildings. It's almost exclusively used for new buildings, although it's eligible for both these programs exist to help entice people to do this without having to say you're not allowed to go the other way. And what I'm concerned about as an uncertain future that we don't know what's going to happen and how this might hurt us. It is possible. It could increase the cost of living.

And I have said this so many times And it feels like this council and some specific members never want to address these things that are the fundamental problems in Ojai. It's not valet parking on a site that's 10 feet from another site, it is we have the lowest average income in the county, the highest average age in the county, the longest average commute in the county, the second highest average median home price in the county These fundamental factors are making it impossible for the community that you're saying is being gentrified to not be subject to more richer people coming in and changing what we consider what Ojai is.

These reach codes and the exemptions are not going to significantly change that, but if we don't have any exemptions, it could cause problems. Those five ADUs may not have gone in at least that is some element of us increasing housing because We've tried to put an emergency ordinance on SB9 with no applications, by the way. Here we are three and a half months in. We have argued about supporting affordable housing but when it comes up it seems like this council doesn't want to.

I don't understand what we think we're accomplishing other than by being able to say well I said we had no exemptions and you didn't so I'm more of a climate activist than you are. But that's not what Ojai is about. We are always way ahead of the curve when it comes to being A climate resilient, climate sensitive leader on these issues. I have no problem going through a list and if we need to eliminate some of these because they don't make any difference fine but this idea that we are either all in or all out based on these exemptions is such a false narrative. We passed a reach code. We're one of a few cities that have. The moment we passed it the members on our Climate Committee wrote thank you letters to us. They pitched it into every Periodical in a news article saying Ojai was part of it.

You didn't hear him complaining about the exemptions when they wanted to have Ojai listed as a support city for all the things we're doing. Now this disingenuous stuff is, this sounds so political to me and not about what the best policy for Ojai is. We are all on the same side of the coin. We're all on the same team. We're all working for the same thing here. So it really is disappointing to try and draw these lines as if any of us aren't supportive of doing Everything we can for the environment, but I'm not willing to cut the face off to save, cut our nose off to save our face when it comes to housing increased cost of living and the other fundamental things that Ojai has the worst in the entire county.

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GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:44:39

Thank you, Ryan. I just want to clarify something that you said. I'm not trying to ram anything through. I just thought that perhaps all five of us would be ready to stand up for our children and our planet and make this decision Clearly that's not going to happen. And also, you know, we're establishing policy. That's why it's important here. This is a policy that will continue. Um, and if we end, if we want to be a leader, then we will establish this policy with no exemptions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:45:13

Mr. Mayor, if I may, I think that the way we create good policy is by following the normal process and having a debate on it rather than somebody trying to say, I'm shutting it down right away and moving forward with a vote but nobody with an opportunity to speak

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:45:25

Well, no you've had plenty of opportunity I just want to clarify. I just wanted a thought maybe all five of us were on board and that we would support this uh you know getting rid of the exemptions and support our I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:45:36

don't think it felt that way to most other

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:45:38

and the planet Well, I'm sorry, Ryan. OK, you want to go ahead, Susan?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:45:43

Yeah. First of all, I feel like my three male colleagues on the council were not trying to solve every problem in Ojai with this reach code. And I don't know why you brought in so many all the other problems as a reason for not examining the exemptions And I also want to remind my colleagues that our first responsibility is the health and safety of the community.

And I want to quote from one of the, a paragraph from the Climate Emergency Committee's report. They remind us that natural gas in buildings is a serious health and safety hazard. Numerous studies show increased incidence of respiratory and cardiac disease from hazardous indoor pollutants associated with gas appliances in homes. The current exceptions in the Reach Code ordinance put people in harm's way, The exceptions for ADUs and affordable housing units are particularly problematic as they will disproportionately impact renters and low-income residents living in smaller units with a higher concentration Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the public. I want to start by saying thank you very much for your support of these toxic indoor air pollutants.

This council has a responsibility to protect the health and safety of our residents. And I know that this is true because I lived in a very old rental. It was beautifully located but the house itself was old. Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the public for joining us today. I want to start by saying thank you very much to all of our panelists who have joined us today.

For each one, are we willing to do that? I'll make a motion.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:48:09

We have a motion on the table, point of order.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:48:11

Okay. With the motion on the table is to get rid of all the exemptions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:48:17

Right.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:48:19

So let's go ahead and vote on that first and see how that goes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:48:25

All right, then I'll make another motion. Okay.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:48:28

Roll call

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction2:48:29

please

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:48:29

Gail.

Roll-call vote Failed 2–3 motion. Okay. Roll call
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Council Member Blatz? No. Council Member Francina? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Haney? No. Mayor Sticks? Yes Council Member Weyrich? No

Okay, what I would suggest then at this point if there are specific exemptions that you want to leave in there that you talk about why you want them to be in there

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:48:58

I just had a question for staff. If we wanted to send this back for a complete evaluation and to discuss some of the elements that all of us have brought forward, how would we do that? Would that be a motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:49:14

It'd be a motion but I'm not sure send it back

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:49:16

to who? Send it back to staff or for a review of the comments that were made tonight and what the feasibility of those will be Or do we need to create a committee ourselves and actually review these reach codes and go through it? I just, like I said, listen, I'm going to clarify something. I'm getting off the fence but I'm not jumping on another one. So I have some great ideas so I'm being selfish And I'm not going to vote for something that doesn't take all of our ideas into consideration and move it forward. So that's where I am. So you're going to get a bunch of nos from me based on the fact that we can't figure out how to go about this in a manner that benefits the community, not self-interest. Should we hit a motion from you?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:50:10

Do you have a motion, Randy?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:50:13

Well, that's what I'm trying to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:50:15

say. May I make a comment please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:50:17

Go ahead, Susan. He's at the floor right now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:50:20

Yes, yes.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:50:22

So again and again I get this thing about another committee in another 10 years and all this other stuff you know if we want to review these reach codes i think that we could put together um uh a joint ad hoc group with the Climate Committee. They could send two, we could appoint two. We can get with the city manager and the city attorney and we could have something back to council within two months of a complete review of these reach codes and how we might enhance them. So if that's the motion Matt help me formulate that but that's what I'm trying to achieve here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:51:01

I would understand that to be a motion to have two council members fill in the blanks, two members of the former Climate Emergency Committee city manager and myself as City Attorney to review and consider the points raised tonight and return to the Council with report exemption by exemption within three months? I think it should be two months. Two months yeah.

That motion would be in order. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:51:29

I'll second that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:51:30

I have a question about the motion. Go ahead Ryan. Randy, would you be looking for information like from different entities about some of the specifics maybe from restaurateurs or from swimming pool people about what their costs and what they think about the difference between the types of equipment whether it's gas or electric? Would that be the type of thing you'd be looking for in that motion?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:51:58

Yeah, I believe the ad hoc committee could do that. But while you bring that up, I want to share something. You know, I put in pools and I had a client recently they had to make a choice between the $20,000 upgrade on a three inch gas line coming into their house 300 feet of three inch gas line, or go to all electric. Go to a heat pump, go to another type of pump for this or another type of electric heater for the spa when they did the balancing one was $20,000 and one was $15,000 guess what they did neither.

They accepted their gas line that's 65 years old as is. And they said, we don't have the ability to add another 200 amp panel to our property and we're not gonna do it. So they removed the spa, they removed the heater and now they have a beautiful pool and they're gonna have a full cover on it. And that's how life's gonna be for them. So I was very proud of them to make that decision. They based it on economics and needs in use That's what we want this community to do, to be able to self-evaluate. But I think we can do it with this ad hoc committee. Yes, Ryan, I think we can, and I believe we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:53:17

can. And frankly, that's what I was hoping we might get more of in the six month review. It feels like it's missing a little bit of that. I was hoping we might get more feedback from some of the people who are using these types of things History has been other than just a number of 580 use and not really anything else to really chew on substantially. I know we did get a report that it looks like there may be more updated information about that. It might, might be less expensive to build with electric. I'd like to understand that better. It wasn't compelling. I would like to be compelled before I feel like we might be making a decision that may hurt us where if all that's true, it shouldn't require any You know, it shouldn't require us needing rules to make people do things that are so obviously beneficial anyway.

But Randy if that's where you're going and getting more information I don't have a...I support bringing it back in two months and with a little more information I think we can make a better decision.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:54:16

Okay we have a motion and a second. Yep.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:54:18

Let me make one more comment. You know you at the last council meeting or the one before that you were incredibly happy about the decision that you made to put a heat pump in your house. And so I went online the next day and started looking at how can I do that? What's it going to cost me, how can I do it? And I'm gonna tell you what, the minute you go online and you start looking for information that one, you don't have any idea of how to use it, how to apply it, you know, and is this cost a good thing?

I'm saying the Green Coalition could provide another function to help people understand and to acquire pricing of materials and equipment. And not just in this, but in solar and in so many other things that we're looking at to do in this community. So recognizing that it doesn't have to be an individual, that it can be a group think is where I like to see us take this.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:55:18

May I remind this council that the Green Coalition, I think has tried for 10 years to educate the community. We've done all the things that you stated, I'm very satisfied with the memo that we received from The new Ojai Climate Emergency Mobilization Committee, that still is in existence with the same people that we appointed plus several very knowledgeable new members. And that is why I am satisfied that the homework has been done, the research has been done and I personally have read enough. I'm not an expert but I feel confident That there is no ideal solution. There is no ideal perfect solution, but this is an important step in the right direction and that's why I am ready to vote to remove the exemptions. There's always going to be You know, there's going to be problems that we have to solve as a community.

That's not the motion that's on the table. This is a step in the right direction.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:56:27

Address the chair? Okay thank you Susa I agree with you uh we do have a motion and a second so could we have a roll call please Gail? Mayor Sticks. And could you just repeat the motion for all of us? Or Matt, would you repeat it? Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:56:46

Happy to, Mayor and Council. The motion on the table is to have two council members to be specified by the council, two members of the former as a city status Climate Emergency Committee and the City Manager myself, City Attorney return with a report regarding all issues and exemptions raised in two months. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:57:03

have a question.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:57:05

About the motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:57:06

Yes, about what our city attorney just said. Why is it limited to two members of the Climate Emergency Committee when each of those people have their own area of expertise? Is there a reason for that? I will

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:57:21

direct your question back to the maker of the motion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:57:24

Okay, why did you want to limit it?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:57:26

Because I don't want a 50-member body. Let's streamline it. They know their group. They'll assign the two people that they know are thoughtful and knowledgeable in this area. They'll submit there too So let's vote and then we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:57:43

can move on. Okay, go

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:57:45

ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:57:46

My question is are you willing to be one of the council members? And I mean, I think that I think the council members who voted against removing the exemptions should be on that committee.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:58:01

Well, let's do it. Let's vote first and then so you called me Gail?

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction2:58:08

Yes.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:58:09

No.

Roll-call vote Passed 3–1
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Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Yes. Council Member Francina? No. Council Member Wyrick? Yes. Council Member Blatz? Yes

All right, well I'm sorry for our children and our planet and we're going to take a five minute break. Madam Mayor,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:58:31

we need to

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:58:33

appoint the two before the break.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:58:35

Okay let's appoint the two.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction2:58:36

So mayor i would like to be one And go ahead, Bill.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:58:42

Ryan would you have a lot of expertise? Would you like to do this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:58:47

Yeah sure I just want to say I mean i'm not going to make a contempt motion but comments like saying that you feel sorry for our children and our families is just so inappropriate in there okay

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role2:59:01

let's take a five minute break I'm going to reopen public comment, so to make a comment on item number six. Okay. I put this item on the- Point of order.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:06:51

We need to vote on reopening. So it's the mayor's decision that can be appealed to the full body, so that you could appeal the ruling of the chair. Appeal second vote majority controls. So then I will do that. I'll appeal this to the body and the appeal is the decision to reopen public comment, right? General public comment to take comments from the mayor on item six. So appeal made that it's a second and then a second.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:07:21

Okay. Can we have a roll call please deal

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CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction3:07:29

council member Francina.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:07:31

Yes. Let's make sure you know what we're voting on

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:07:37

We're voting on to open public comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:07:40

So a yes is to open public comment? Yes, correct. A yes vote would be to affirm the mayor's rule. Agree to the appeal,

Roll-call vote Failed 2–2
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okay. Okay so I called Council Member Francina. Council Member Blatz? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Haney? No. Council Member Wyrick? No Mayor Stixx? Yes
GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:08:06

I put this item on the agenda because it came to my attention that off-site valet parking for businesses has never been allowed in Ojai and that we do not have an ordinance that regulates valet parking. Over the past days, many residents have asked me about this issue and made it clear that they are not in favor of having off-site valet parking in Ojai. It is important to get community input on this potential change now. That is That was my ask tonight.

Our relaxed, non-monetized open to all parking tradition is a critical element of the relaxing and attractive nature of our town. Both residents and visitors alike cherish this distinction. Allowing certain businesses to monopolize parking beyond the confines of where their business is sited should be carefully considered. It's a big change. Do we want this change?

Years ago, Ojai passed an ordinance that outlawed chain stores. This is an ordinance that most of us deeply appreciate and continue to support. What motivated Ojai citizens to pass this ordinance? Is curtailing off-site valet parking of similar importance? We need to ask our community. Though the proposed expansion and increase in intensity of use of the former Oaks Hotel, and the suggestion that valet parking should be allowed off-site is what brought this topic to my attention. Tonight's discussion was not about this hotel. And I really want to stress that fact, not about an individual business. It is about policy and the future of our town.

This agenda item is actually about what we want our town to be and what valet parking policy might best guide decisions of this nature. This is a moment to pause, reflect and gather community input on the use of the limited space in our often congested streets. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:10:03

Mayor Sticks? Yes. Would it be in order since uh we've opened public comment for me as well make a public comment?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:10:12

It would be in order, but recognize nothing will be done on this item tonight.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:10:17

I understand. Where we fundamentally disagree is integrity of process. This issue is an active consideration by the Planning Commission. It is a public process. Any of us can participate in that as well as appeal a decision we don't like by this planning commission I consider it a fundamental disrespect to act as if this is in fact something divorced from this existing application and submittal that it's being under active consideration by the Planning Commission.

I'm much more comfortable, and I think it's much more appropriate since these are council commissions for us to watch And wait and see what deliberations from these people that we've put in this position of responsibility come up with doesn't lead to a final decision. I personally have appealed decisions of commissions in my first term because I didn't like an outcome.

But I allowed the, I didn't think it was appropriate to interfere with their deliberative process until they concluded it. And so that's why I think this what you've done here with this unilateral placing of something on the agenda is concerning in terms of, I consider it a compromise of the integrity of the Planning Commission process.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:11:51

Randy?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:11:52

So again, I agree with the same thing. It's pretty simple. I felt it was a circumvention of the process to bring this forward when something of this nature is already before our planning department. If we had deliberated tonight, we would have tainted or could have tainted the commission their deliberation process Because of the stature of council, most commissions are going to follow to a degree what we're dictating. And that was my concern. The next thing that of my concern is the fact that if the applicant does not like the decision that's rendered on the 6th and wants to appeal it, we as a body have already declared our position on it.

So how do we go into an appeals hearing with a declared position when we're supposed to go to appeals hearing with an open mind? So again, that was one of the reasons I was dead set against it. And the other thing is it just feels political It just feels like we're going to find an issue. We're not going to clearly communicate what the issue is, because everyone that came here to speak tonight was speaking about something I don't think they even understood The road, our condition is about transporting on a site they own. It's not public property. It's it's not, it's not moving people on the public right away or I think Mr. Quillacy said at best that, you know, conflating where the public can park and where this Valley parking may take place.

It just, it was communicated poorly And so therefore, I mean if I made a statement, hey we don't want Valley Parking in Ojai. Shit! We get a ton of people to say that. Oh yeah, I don't want that but you know what? You've got to give them facts and you've got to give them the truth and that wasn't given tonight and that wasn't given even in your justification for bringing it forward. Your justification made no sense. So those are my concerns and let's let that process go through This can come back after those deliberations are made. And if there's an appeal and we make that, we'll do, we'll get through that process, but to jump ahead of it, we pretty much threw the planning commission under the bus. In fact, some might even ask what do we have them?

We don't need them if we're going to make these decisions for

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GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:14:28

respond. Oh, go ahead Ryan.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:14:30

Thank you. Um, This screams of a pretty thinly veiled attempt to score political points on an issue that was so manipulated and misinformed to the public, that it made a lot of people really upset and want to come out without knowing what's going on. And at the same time, it's a pretty lousy attempt to usurp the authority from the planning commission that wouldn't even have streamlined anything had we passed a new ordinance in some fashion tonight, which isn't going to happen. It still would've required review from the planning commission, but then come back to us for final Which makes no sense at all.

Ojai is not trying to make a rule that will allow valet parking. I want to make that really clear to the public, the idea that this is the fight for the soul of Ojai is one of the most atrocious things I've ever heard. There's a hotel in the center of town that's so old it was here before the city incorporated as Ojai. It was shut down during the Thomas fire and couldn't reopen.

As part of a multi-year, multi-phase very difficult process to reopen. They have jumped through hoops and one thing they've attempted to do is procure a parking lot that's empty next to Joe's Quick Stop that hasn't ever had anything developed on it in the history of OI. In order to do some additional parking that's less than 15 feet away from the edge of their property that would only but that wouldn't require any additional traffic movement If you pulled into the facility and then they valet your car in the back, there wouldn't be any additional trips like people think. There'd be no crossing Ojai Avenue. There wouldn't be any of this that we should not be here talking about that specific proposal, but I don't know what other proposal there is to talk about because nobody is supporting the idea of just allowing blanket valet parking throughout Ojai.

That's not even a consideration. It's not anything That is in the realm of reality. And why we wouldn't look at this on a case-by-case basis as we're supposed to and adopt an appropriate rule that may or may not include offsite valet parking, and turn it into this, oh, we've got to do this because the entire town is going to change? Because we're going to suddenly allow this everywhere?

That's just not even realistic. And it's a disservice to the public to get them all riled up on something that just isn't Even a reality. Nobody else has applied for this, nobody else is asking for it. We haven't even checked to see the lot in front of the Ojai Valley Inn where they do valet parking is overflow. Is that the same APN? Would that be considered off-site parking? Are you prepared that the inn is not going to be able to continue their valet parking on that lot if it's not exactly the same property because Further properties down are different APNs that they just happen to own. We haven't looked into this at all and there wasn't ever, I mean, this is finding a solution to a problem that doesn't exist for creating a threat in order to sound like a hero where there's no threat and there's no problem.

And we have done such a fantastic job for over 100 years making sure this town is protected from these types of things. It is not this week where it was all gonna suddenly change. This hotel is older than that We're better than that. And riling up the public to think that we are about to allow parking spots to be taken in the public parking lots or crossing Ojai Avenue, or any of these other ideas is just a completely false narrative that is either fabricated to the benefit of sounding good or misses the point completely due to lack of understanding. But I think it's completely unfair and on top of that, it absolutely usurps the authority And the work that our planning commission does, that works so hard on. Why would we pull the rug out from underneath them right after they have had a robust discussion and an opportunity to look at this for a long time?

When we know the process works, that we can review it and we get the final say. None of that makes any sense to me. It screams of being a political move in an election year and rallying up the public with misinformation. I am not supportive of Valley parking everywhere. I guarantee if I asked everybody, do you think Valley parking should be in Ojai? They'd say no. If you say, do you want another hotel in Ojai? They'll all say no, but if you tell them, do you want the recreation of a hundred year hotel that's been here forever to be able to open and can have parking that's not going to interfere really with anything? Well, I think they'd at least appreciate a robust discussion about that rather than trying to turn it into something else. And that's why I thought it was okay, that we should have a debate about this.

And I hope we don't have to again until it comes back from the Planning Commission.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:19:09

Thank you. All right let's move on to number three introduction of an ordinance to modify the Arts Commission through amending Article One of Title Four Arts Commission of the Ojai Municipal Code. Is there a staff report James?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:19:23

Yes just a brief one thank you In June of 2020, the City Council reviewed all commissions and boards and determined that each except for the Arts Commission would transition to five-member panels down from seven members. The City Council also identified the need for a standard appointment process in which each council member makes an appointment to the commission At that time, the Arts Commission had seven members and the City Council chose not to make the change to the Arts Commission. However as we are all aware at the last council meeting there was a request to reconsider this with noting that the commission had reduced to five members The commission is currently reduced to five members with two vacancies and noting that the chair and vice-chair of the commission had expressed interest in the change rather than pursuing a recruitment process at this time for two additional members.

At the last meeting, the City Council directed staff to prepare an ordinance that would result in the Arts Commission more closely matching the other commissions in regards to having five members and having the rotating appointment process allowing each council member to make an appointment. That ordinance has been drafted and is included in the packet as Attachment A.

There's a couple other Just relevant points. The commission also are the attachment also requires that a quorum of the commission be residents of the city and those were the key points staff's available to answer any questions about the ordinance. Thank you.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:20:57

Any questions? Okay, we'll move on. We'll move on to oh you have

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:21:08

The YWAS has never put on the Arts Commission agenda for discussion. Is there some reason, legal reason or they just chose not to?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:21:18

No, there's no legal reason. It's not required to go to the commission. The council could send it to the commission. I think that the note in the last staff report was that the chair and the vice-chair had requested that this come to or that the council proceed but there's no either requirement for it to go through the whole council or restriction against it going to the whole commission.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:21:44

No, I was just going to comment it but thank you. Thanking staff for getting it done.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:21:49

Thank you. Any no questions from Ryan? We'll go ahead and move on to public comment. Any public comment on this item Gail?

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction3:21:57

Anyone in the Zoom meeting who would like to speak please use the raised hand function now And I have one person who has their hand raised, but this hand has been raised for a while. But I'll open it up so that we can see if he wants to talk on this item. Mr. Steingold, I see your hand raised. If you wanted to speak on this item would you please let us know and you can go ahead and speak?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed3:22:22

I just think that as everybody mentioned the three male members, which I think the whole point of making it female and male is disingenuous. And then reaching out and making that the whole world is falling apart regarding this issue is absurd. Larry,

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:22:45

this is about the arts

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed3:22:47

commission? Sorry. Okay done.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:22:49

All right thank you. Okay, let's move on to discussion. Bill?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:56

Yeah I you know I think to answer one of your concerns Councilperson Francina, we just had an election for chair and vice-chair. And my observation was this is requested by them and they have the... They're duly elected to be the vice-chair and chair, and they're requesting this. It also aligns with what we've already established as a goal for the rest of the commissions.

And so after everyone's had a chance to speak I'm prepared to make a motion to proceed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:23:32

Susan. Go ahead. My colleague, who are very fond of sometimes disagreeing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:23:42

But we know how to disagree.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:23:43

Yeah but when you say they were elected isn't it more a rotating position?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:23:49

No they were elected there was an election a couple meetings ago uh-huh no they do it I think once a year they elect the chair and elect the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:23:58

chair okay very good thank you Randy

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:24:01

Susan, did you get the draft letter from?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:24:04

Yes. I read

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:24:05

everything. That explains in great

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:24:08

detail.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:24:10

Well, I'm just trying to say that explains in great detail because I was the liaison when a lot of Things were occurring and people weren't getting along.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:24:20

I was the

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:24:21

liaison

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:24:21

too,

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:24:22

please

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:24:22

bring it back to the chair.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:24:24

And all I'm trying to say is instead of bringing that out here in public and airing dirty laundry and taking it back to the commission and making them air the dirty laundry. Bringing this back to a body of five makes them more efficient. The chair has recognized that the vice-chair and commissioner Eric St. James Lopez has recognized it The functionality of this commission, I believe will work better with five and it will be more inclusive to the community. It'll actually bring more of the artisans here in this town back to the Art Commission, I think in large numbers.

I'm

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:25:12

ready to make a motion. Any comments?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:25:18

I'd like to make a motion to introduce ordinance of the City Council, the city of Ojai, California restructuring the Arts Commission through amending Title 1 of Title 4 of the Ojai Municipal Code as detailed herein.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:25:33

Okay roll call please Gail.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:25:40

Yes.

Roll-call vote Passed 3–1 motion to introduce ordinance of the City Council, the city of Ojai, California restructuring the Arts Commission through amending Title 1 o
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Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Yes. Mayor Stixx? Yes Council Member Wyrick? Yes Council Member Francina? No
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:25:54

Okay, and I would like to be able to explain why. Not that I don't agree that this may be better. I still think in spite of everything you said that it should have been discussed especially since they're very new members And there are members of the commission that have been there for 12 years, and they know the amount of work involved. And I think they should have had the opportunity to at least discuss it with the new members of the commission. But I'm not disagreeing that this is not a good idea.

Just like you're concerned about process, that's also my concern. Thank you.

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GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:26:39

Thank you, Sousa. All right,

let's move on to item number five, designation of voting delegate for the in-person. Madam

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:26:47

Mayor there is an item number four.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:26:50

Oh sorry.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:26:50

The contract

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:26:51

grant. Excited to get to number five. Okay, number four. We're hungry. Contract grant, thank you Matt, contract grant writing and administration services agreement with California Consultants. James do you have a presentation?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:27:06

Yes, thank you. Over the last few years at various times the City Council has expressed an interest in obtaining grant writing services for the city. Coming out of the pandemic and hearing about all of the potential recovery grants and infrastructure funding and those things coming forward We are looking forward and anticipating that this would be a good time to do so, to try to obtain some grants that would allow us to leverage funding for important projects in Ojai.

And so recently we solicited proposals for grant writing services I know in the past we've talked about whether it'd be better to have an in-house person or a grant writing service. We looked at both options and we solicited proposals, and we received proposals. One proposal, the proposal here tonight from California Consulting was particularly interesting We are recommending proceeding with that because the cost is much lower than we anticipated and then the other proposals.

And it is much less expensive than a full-time grant writer position. Plus, it has additional services which are particularly important for us because it's not only grant writing but grant management and grant administration which are particularly challenging for small cities where we don't have staff that have the The grant expertise, as an example one grant we currently have there's a 500 page manual that we have to review and make sure we're following whenever we bill or get reimbursement. So this firm will handle not only the writing but also that administrative portion of the grant and making sure that we're in compliance and meeting all the requirements of the grants.

So, with that being said the proposal is for $4,000 a month to cover all of those things so $48,000 per year. With not to exceed out-of-pocket expenses and $1,000 per year so total of $49,000 The contract can be terminated. We worked with California Consulting to identify an option to terminate it if we need to, but at this point we're recommending we enter into the agreement for one year. Funding is available via vacancy savings from the currently vacant Assistant Public Works Director position So this can be done fairly low risk for this year.

And then at the end of the year we can come back and look at it and see if it's something we want to continue. The last thing I just want to note is, as far as what kind of grants that will be applying for. We would plan to use the city's legislative program, which is adopted each year and identifies priorities and the City Council's goals and priorities to guide the grant applications. And then what we would plan to do is each month Our have a regular report. I don't know if it'll be every month, but a regular report back to council listing grants that we would plan to apply for or any of that had been applied for that came up very quickly. So we would plan to have kind of that regular report out of grants that we would pursue through this program.

So with that, we're recommending approval of the contract and I'm happy to answer any questions.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:30:48

Thank you James. Any questions Bill?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:30:51

Very much in favor of this. My question is, will Robin be a key link to working with this contract if it's approved in terms of identifying grant opportunities feeding information on a broad scale? I mean it's only expanding the opportunities that we have all the time

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:31:08

Well, so it's actually going to be probably Andrea from my office and myself. We'll pull Robin in as needed but it's part of the timing being right is we have the team in place internally to work with this

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:31:22

really well.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:31:23

I'm just saying that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:31:24

yeah, we have a structure for identifying opportunities. That was my question. Exactly.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:31:29

Any other questions? After

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:31:31

public comments, I have a couple comments.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:31:33

No questions? All right let's any public comments on this? Yeah.

CommentSignal StreetProposed · by introduction3:31:39

Anyone in the Zoom meeting who would like to speak, please use your raised hand function now. And no one's raising their hand.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:31:49

Thank you. Let's move on to discussion, Randy?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:31:52

So obviously I'm 100% behind this we've been asking for years and James I'm glad you've done your homework and you've reached out the you know when i looked at the amount I went wow that's pretty inexpensive and then I was reading closer the number of cities that they represent in the county And I went, well they're just going to change the name at the top of the grant to protect the innocent and put our name in it.

So that would be my only concern is how do we get someone that's writing grants uniquely to Ojai? And more importantly is are we going to be competing with these other cities for the same grants and is it ethical that they're writing grants for all of these cities? That's That's my only concern. So I don't know how we get around that.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:32:44

Yeah, it's a good question. I think the first thing that they do is going to they're going to do a needs assessment which is with myself and Andrea from my office where we meet and we talk about the City Council's goals and priorities and we talk about our legislative program and what things we want to target with this so I have a feeling, as you mentioned they represent Fillmore, Santa Paula and Simi Valley as well. I have a feeling that the grants we aim for there might be overlap but i think there will also be some where Ojai aims and those don't necessarily so I think there is a chance that California Consulting represents Fillmore, Santa Paula and Ojai all in applying for a grant.

The reality is we compete with those cities when we apply for grants anyway so I don't see it being a particular issue. I think just one reality looking at some of the cities that they represent and the recent grant experience we had was we had one that we just applied And they determined that Ojai was not a city with the disadvantaged community, and I think that's always going to be right. You know we get that all the time. That's where we get dinged so you know there's probably some that will compete with them and one of those groups may get it because of that but Like I said, we'll try to focus on the grants that are valuable to Ojai and put in our best application for it. Make sure they're not just rubber stamping things.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:34:22

Any other comments,

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:34:23

Randy? Just what we were speaking to tonight regarding REACH codes and the fact that there's so much funding out there in California transitioning from fossil fuels to renewables. That this is just so beneficial to this community in this moment. So good job, James.

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GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:34:47

We ready for motion? I'll make a motion to authorize the city manager to execute a services agreement with California consultants for grant writing and administration services in an amount not to exceed $49,000 per year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:35:04

Second. Okay let Suze have it.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:35:07

We're all excited about this one!

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:35:08

That's right, let Suze have

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:35:10

it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:35:11

Let Suze have the second okay?

Roll-call vote Passed 3–0 · 2 under review
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Roll call please. Council Member Weirich? Yes. Council Member Blatz? Mayor Sticks? Yes. Council Member Francina? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Haney?
CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:35:28

Absolutely. Out of the gate!

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:35:30

Okay, wonderful and thank you so much James and staff for making this happen and really exciting move forward. Okay let's move on to number five designation a voting delegate for the in-person 2022 Southern California Association of Governments GAG Regional Conference and General Assembly You have a presentation?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:35:52

Ultra brief. We were hoping that this conference would be virtual, they've announced it won't be so the question is does anybody want to go?

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:36:01

And I just wanted to open up to see if somebody really does want to go.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:36:06

Right and it's in Palm

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:36:07

Desert.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:36:08

You want to see the desert Mayor?

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:36:11

Out there and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:36:12

you're the skag record. Yes, I'm

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:36:14

just what I want to be generous and open it up to see if

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:36:18

I think you're highly appropriate personal.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:36:19

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna be down there right afterward but by all means I was just gonna I mean if you'd rather go no problem but if it's not we need somebody to go I can't

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:36:30

go again. You would like to be the representative Brian do you want?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:36:35

Brian I think uh the mayor is saying if you'd like to that she's Would be gracious. It's totally

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:36:41

up to you I'm cool either way, but I last time I have another event that's down there that weekend so okay piggybacks it on me which is no big deal but it's totally up to you because all right love it It's only so much fun listening to all the different cities do everything.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:37:00

Okay, well I want to share the bounty. So if you're already down there they'll save the fossil fuels. That's right. I'll be one less trip on the road. Save the VMT! Okay thank you very much Ryan.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:37:12

Okay and then i would say we can make you the alternate in case something comes up if you wanted to do

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:37:16

that. It is designating a voting delegate so I think we should have a motion and a vote

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:37:23

Okay, so I'll make a motion to have Council Member Blatz, the voting delegate of Skagg.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:37:32

All

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:37:32

right, I'll

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:37:32

second

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:37:32

that.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:37:33

Yes, yep.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:37:35

I'll second that.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:37:36

Roll call please,

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion to have Council Member Blatz, the voting delegate of Skagg. All right, I'll second that. Yes, yep. I'll second that. Roll call
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Gail? Council Member Francina? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Yes. Council Member Weyrich? Yes Mayor Stixx? Yes Council Member Blatz? Oh yes

Okay, thank you Ryan and bon voyage. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:37:58

mayor.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:37:59

All right let's move on to a council member report. A city manager report?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:38:07

Just one item I just wanted to announce and we're putting some posts out on our social media, but for the second year in a row the city was designated a Tree City USA which I know the immediate reaction is aren't we always a tree city? But we actually hadn't been for about a decade prior. So last year we were a tree city and this year we're keeping the street going so We're planning an Arbor Day celebration that we'll be posting more information on in the next couple weeks. But other than that, just the next council meeting, we're going to be starting the budget process. We are working on a Budget Committee meeting in the meantime but I think the budget will be the main event so that's for the April 6th meeting And then we also are planning most likely a closed session meeting for the 29th that will confirm later in the next few days.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:39:14

Okay, thank you James. Bill?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:39:17

I have a question on city management. Go ahead. Any update on the next step in public process for the development agreement with the significant amount of affordable housing inclusive vote in that agreement?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:39:33

Yeah, so not for the public update. The

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:39:37

kind of internal- I mean an update on when it comes back into public process again.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:39:42

Yeah. So we're working through a couple of the internal issues over the next few weeks. If I had to put a date on it, I would probably say May is probably when that'll come.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:39:56

Thank

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:39:57

you, Randy?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:39:58

I had a question for the city manager also. I thought we had put in place an app where citizens could if they saw violations that they could take pictures and turn them in because... Cynthia. Yeah, Cynthia. I'm not sure if she's aware of that.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:40:18

Can I, I did tell her about that. I spoke to her last week

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CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:40:25

But I think in the future if that occurs, one of us should inform her and also inform the public at that time.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:40:32

Yeah we could do that. The only reason I did it was because I didn't know if her request was to change...I heard in their requests that we start citing the property owner in addition to just the landscaper so I didn't know if it was quite a question for the app but yes People can report those via the app. And I can tell you, we get a lot of reports on those via the app. I think we've gotten probably over 1,000 at this point and so... And we respond to them but I would say we catch the electric land or the gas landscapers probably 70% of the time and then 30% of the time they take off when they see somebody taking a picture of them. So it works but we haven't caught everybody yet.

So we're doing the $75 fine for the first violation and I think it's 150 for the second violation.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:41:26

We may want to come back and review that.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:41:28

Yes, so we were starting to prepare an item to do kind of the one-year review of the gas or the electric landscaping equipment so we can do that.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:41:40

Thank you James and thank you for organizing that app huge success right okay future agenda items Randy?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:41:49

I'm not, I don't usually do these and then tonight I just got worked up at home going over all the things I feel we need to do. I'm gonna throw this out there and then look for some support and some help. We need, I'd like to agendize a discussion regarding increasing the diversion of water from the Ventura River during our epic rainstorms. The reason why is we're having less rain days in the rain days that we do have, we're receiving a higher volume of water. So the question is, and I'm not sure if it needs to come here but I'd like it to start here.

And that is how do we start the process of talking to all the water purveyors as well as connecting with the State Water Resource Board? If that's the governing body and figure out what it's going to take to do that. If we don't, I don't have a sense that the lake's gonna ever recover Um and and we're getting by, we need to get by better. And I think that's it's probably a fight. It's probably a huge argument. It might be over our heads but I think it's something that we need to do as a council. We So I would like to see if we could bring that back in some type of discussion forum. The second thing is, I'd like to bring back for a discussion implementing the siren system for the city of Ojai for our emergency awareness.

That'd be the second thing. The third thing, and I'm not putting dates on these, I'm just saying them. I would like to have a joint session with the school board. I think that we need to have a public conversation with them regarding ATP, emergency preparedness and the school board property. I just think it's time to have us sit down with them and just let the community see these two governing bodies work together solving our problems.

And then the last thing I have is, I'd like to bring back the Electrified Maintenance Equipment Ordinance if we can. Is there a better name for that? But I'd like to add chainsaws to it and figure out how to do that where a business owner under the appropriate conditions could use a gas powered Thank you, Mayor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:44:32

Yeah, I don't know if this future agenda or something that I can discuss with you James but we've had a request for some funding for the Earth Day day that they're going to have on a Thursday in April. I think it's less, you know at the Thursday farmers market

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:44:55

You mean the first

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:44:59

day? What did I say?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:45:00

Earth Day

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:45:02

at the farmers market. They would like some support from the city, even if it's a modest request but is that something that has to be on the agenda

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:45:15

I would suggest it. They submitted the request to us and we just, we don't have that in the budget, you know just if we don't have that community funding available so we can bring an item to identify like places we could fund it from, but I think the request did come to me. I had said it wasn't in the budget, so it should come to Council if we're going to change

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:45:43

that. It would be a budget change if we wanted to consider

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:45:45

it? Yeah, it'd

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:45:45

be a budget

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:45:46

adjustment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:45:47

Is there support for at least looking at that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:45:49

I'd like to look at it, yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:45:51

Yeah, okay thank you.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:45:52

And we can put that on the next agenda and I will ask the person to come explain what they're going to use it for.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:46:00

Okay any other ideas? Yeah yeah and I still think that we need to put the El Paseo intersection on the agenda that it's so problematic. I'd like to find out the history why it was closed off from the top rather than the bottom You understand my logic, you know? And I mean, you could easily... I keep looking at it and I imagine that we could change the way the parking is. It's basically a parking lot is what it is and it would still be because there's really not that much through traffic. There's very little through traffic except for to park for the restaurant or go to the park And also I thought, okay Lynn, I think there's other things that could be done there if we took a good look at that. We could even have maybe a charging station there?

I'm told that it's set up for that. I'll forward you the email I have about that so is there council support to put that on the agenda?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:47:11

I would like to see us if we're going to do something like that is actually do a traffic count. And do we have the ability to do that, James? Can we put our meter out there and actually... Because it's not that I don't believe you. I see a lot of people use that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:47:25

street.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:47:26

So instead of us saying that it's not used, let's say how much is used. It's like the study that we did on drown was very, very revealing

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:47:36

Yeah, but if we put it on the agenda then we can also look. If the closure was reversed how would that impact? Because we're not closing it off they would just have to take a different route which would then make that intersection I believe safer. So that's the kind of thing I want to discuss. Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:48:01

I understand

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:48:02

you're here my only concern is Bill before we go into that we had one two that would be three three for something is not on the agenda so yeah is there support put on the agenda or not? Would it be my recommendation before you make substantive comments which I okay I think okay I had a concern but It either is on the agenda or not, and it's not on tonight's agenda. So my recommendation would be if there's support added, if not, let it lie.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:48:26

Well, my question would be can we bring it back with an ATP consideration? When does ATP come

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:48:32

back? Probably May or June.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:48:37

That will give us time to do some studying. But our city manager said that wasn't part of the ATP.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:48:43

Yeah, I wanted to stay part of that. That was my concern, that'd be part of the ATP project

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:48:47

I'm a little bit confused city manager

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:48:49

because

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:48:50

I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:48:50

thought

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:49:02

We couldn't discuss it as part of the ATP. I thought it had to be a separate agenda item.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:49:07

It's not that we can't, it's currently not... That area is not currently being modified by the ATP so we could discuss if the council wants to discuss that as part of the ATP

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:49:21

discussion, we can.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:49:23

No.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:49:23

Yeah, I get it. I would support having it discussed separately from ATP

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:49:29

Yeah, I think there's a lot to discuss. Okay so

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:49:32

we'll start with kind of traffic counts and maybe police incidents and then we'll start there and see where it goes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:49:38

okay? So i want to make sure you caught what I said. I want to know why it was closed at the top rather than at the bottom I want to know the impact of reversing that so that people don't have, you know when you cross Ojai Avenue from Kenyatta, you would no longer have to worry what the cars are going to do. Because there's no warning some go straight, some keep going toward the Y. So there must have been a reason why they did that or maybe there isn't and we'd like to look at that reason. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:50:13

That'll return on the agenda. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:50:17

Okay, I think we are

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:50:18

before you adjourn Madam Mayor customer Haney put four items on the agenda. I wanted to make sure was there a second for those forward of return on the subset their electric,

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:50:29

the electrical landscaping item. We were already working on a report back so we can easily add the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:50:36

chainsaw.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:50:37

So the other three were the siren system, water diversion, a siren system for emergency response and then a joint session with the school board.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:50:50

And isn't the SIREN system, is that part of our disaster?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:50:55

I think it's part of the Disaster Council. It's part of the framework.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:50:58

That's the framework. Yes, it's already in there.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:51:00

Yeah so it's already in there so we can bring that back.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:51:04

I'd like that being part of the Disaster Council deliberations for SIREN. And you

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:51:08

guys meet what every three months quarterly

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:51:12

yeah?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:51:14

So when's your next meeting? Think it's May And then and so you'll discuss it in May and then come back to council. And it's, it's noticed that anybody can come. I don't know what I'm saying but you'll bring it back to council? Mm hmm. And what are we getting and what's the disaster council going to do about it? We don't know. Deliberate it? Do we want a meeting or not?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:51:34

Why

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:51:34

don't you come to the meeting? Come to the meeting.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:51:37

Yeah. We don't know until it happens.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:51:40

And then on water, I Well, I'm just saying, I don't know if we need the disaster council to make that decision for us. We can make it sooner. I hear you guys, so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:51:54

I agree with

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:51:54

you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:51:55

So that leaves us with one?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:51:59

Two diversion rates for water and a joint session with the school board.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:52:05

Well, I would support the joint meeting if they're willing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:52:10

Yeah, me too.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:52:14

And

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:52:16

with those specific topics, I think the three topics I heard that we'd propose to them or should we have an item to discuss what the topics are?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:52:28

No, I think we can just invite a meeting. Okay. And you can just list

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:52:33

it. No, I think you should be clear on what you want to discuss when you do the invite and then let them respond that they're willing to discuss this or this.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:52:41

Yeah.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:52:41

That will help us understand...

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:52:43

The three topics I heard for that would be ATP community outreach and emergency preparation. Right. And

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:52:50

on the last one...

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:52:52

And the property.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:52:53

Oh, the shop around? On the last one, my only concern. Can I express a concern? Yeah, that's fine. We don't want to debate the item. I support doing that. I don't want to get any cross purposes with the adjudication deliberation.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:53:15

I'm looking just for a general conversation.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role3:53:18

Okay.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:53:18

Um from their perspective on where we are,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:53:21

it's time.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:53:21

It's just to talk. I'm good with that. Interesting to see if they want to talk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:53:27

Who is there in that sentence?

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:53:30

No, we're

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:53:30

talking about the water. You guys aren't talking

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:53:32

about. Oh,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:53:33

okay.

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:53:33

Well, on water. Yeah, we've got, we have, we, we've gotta start that discussion. I think we do, we allow staff And then we can, you can bring it up at OBGMA. Hopefully if we get to the GSA mentor. I'm just saying, I think as a community, if we're going to have shorter periods of water, we need to capture as much as we can in those moments. I just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:54:04

want to make sure we all understand the importance of stream flow and the issue

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:54:10

Understand that when water's running 100 miles an hour downstream, it ain't

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposedself-stated3:54:17

going anywhere but to the ocean. Yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:54:22

I'll agree with the future agenda item but just with due consideration for...

CommentCindy KalmasanProposed · by introduction3:54:27

And you and i can also sit down with James to clarify

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:54:31

Randy to that I'll add uh that's part that was that's a section of my opening statement that I don't get to read for another six months I completely agree. I don't know if it's the proper form to bring it up, the city's involvement in the lawsuit and everything else that's going on. I don't think it could hurt although it could be a little dicey but I just want to state since it's an interesting timing that you brought it up and it's something I've been working on a lot.

I really do concur with you immensely One of the key problems in our watershed is that when we, you know, we're San Antonio Creek and Thatcher Creek frankly merged there. It's 20 feet deep it's 50 feet wide. You know, there's enough water that runs through there sporadically including this last December that if infrastructure was built I think it would solve a lot of the water shortage problems that are down river and I think it really needs to be looked at. And just because I have the floor real quick every chance I get to say this I do I apologize but We've got to change the paradigm thinking when it comes to water infrastructure, we tend to deprioritize it because when you put in electric or other types of infrastructure, you immediately get your bang for your buck.

When you put in a road, you do other stuff. Water tends to be thought of last cause you never know when it's going to rain, but when you miss that one event that that infrastructure doesn't capture, you miss years and years of value out of it. Whether it's not having the fish screens cleared, whether it's not having the spreading grounds done correctly, So I think it's very important, even on an even bigger level that water infrastructure throughout our watershed, throughout our County, throughout our state. We've got to reprioritize it not thinking it's a long time before we use it, but understanding that the second we don't use it means it's maybe a decade before it gets to have its value again.

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:56:24

Well, thank you. I agree Ryan and we all know that we are suffering a ridification in an extremely dry century and things are... We've got to conserve what we have and stop using so much. So everybody's gotta do what we can right? Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:56:43

you Maren. Thank you for indulging me on that. I appreciate

GuestBetsy StixProposed · by role3:56:46

it. All right with that, we thank you so much for your productive meeting and good evening or Adjourned.