BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 April 12, 2022

UnGovr Transcript

iHow this transcript is madeUnGovr transcribes the official recording with automated speech-to-text, separates speakers by voice, and matches voices to the seated roster. Names and attributions are AI estimates and may contain errors.Verify any quote yourself: click anywhere in the transcript and the official video jumps to that exact moment, so you can check any quote against the recording.
  1. PendingQueued for transcription.
  2. AIYou are hereAuto-transcribed and summarized; not yet human-verified.
  3. VerifiedReviewed and corrected by a person.

Scheduled start 6:00 PM · clock-time estimates pending review

0:00 – 0:1038 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:00

Mayor Stix, here. Mayor Pro Tem Haney?

Commentmy name is BillProposedself-stated0:03

I'm over here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:04

Council Member Blatz is here. Council Member Francina is here and Council Member Weyrich.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed0:13

I'm here.

Pledge of Allegianceceremonial · click to expand
ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role0:14

Thank you and welcome to the April 12th 2022 meeting of the Ojai City Council. Randy will you please do the pledge for us? Thank you Randy.

Agenda Discussionitems moved / continued / pulled — click to expand
ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role0:47

Okay, approval of the agenda?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed0:49

So moved.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role0:49

Second. Okay roll call please Gail.

Thanks, Gail. Any presentations, James?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:11

No presentations today, Mayor.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:13

And we do have one

Roll call — called by Unidentified speaker 1 · 1 under review
Show transcript
Council Member Blatz? Yes. Council Member Francina? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Yes Mayor Stixx? Yes Council Member Weyrich?
ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:14

commission report from Brian Akins for the Historic Preservation Commission. Thank you, Brian.

CommentBrian AkinsProposedself-stated1:25

Hello Mayor, hello Council, hello everyone else. I'm Brian Akins, I'm the Chair of the Historic Preservation Commission. That's the hat on that I have at the moment. You'll see me later with a different one. I would just like to report that the Historic Preservation Commission called a special meeting on February 28th. That was to address the two options that were being proposed for the Al Robler Hotel We met for two hours on that, seemed like a long time there until last week's meeting with the Planning Commission. And I actually came to a unanimous decision to go with option number one and so after listening to multiple sides, after listening to staff and professional people And what it was, was it was not a motion. This was different.

Usually we get together for landmarking and make a recommendation to you. In this case, we were only sharing our opinions and our individual recommendations. So it wasn't a recommendation from the Historic Preservation Commission. It was a recommendation from each of the commissioners themselves to the Planning Commission which they could then adopt or they could change their mind.

Last Wednesday, April 6th, I as a representative of the Historic Preservation Commission attended the planning commission for four and a half hours. And it was very interesting. I do want to thank Mayor Sticks who is our liaison for this last quarter for hanging in for some very long highly technical very involved conversations that would have put a normal human being to sleep. And probably did online. But anyway, thank you all very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:14

Mayor I have a

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role3:14

question. Yeah just want to say thank you Brian so much and it was a pleasure watching your work. You're all so professional and it's fascinating. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:25

I'm not sure if this is the city attorney or to Brian but We held up the bringing to planning, the old Robler Hotel waiting for your it wasn't so like you said, it wasn't Lawful it wasn't in any ordinance. It wasn't in any policy you just met to give them the five Commission members that your thoughts on what they should do to move forward and I so, I don't know who this goes to but How did how did how was that created that we could hold up a project without some formal And I'm not accusing anyone of any, I'm just saying without some formal recommendation coming forward. If it was just a discussion why?

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction4:14

So our code does provide for the HBC to review and comment on but not approve any historic resource report prepared for any project. So the code contemplates HBC having a review and comment session but not approval And that's why we had the review and comment session, but not approval.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:31

Thank you.

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction4:32

So it was within the code and then it was done... I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:35

just needed to understand it better. After listening to what you just said, I just went well if all you were doing were giving it a yay or nay up and down, it was like why did we spend so much time holding this project up when that might have been done sooner than later other than I think we were waiting for the report?

CommentBrian AkinsProposedself-stated4:54

Yeah, there are a lot of things that we were waiting for. We had made a recommendation to the applicants clear back at the end of last summer when the Caltrans report came out even before the Caltrans report. We had in our mind thought that there was a historic component and it needed a historic resource report and so I had actually made that recommendation to go to the city ask for a historic resource report at that time That wasn't heated.

So in lieu of that, I had told the applicants and alerted Steve Quillacy that as soon as that new historic resources report came about, that we would hold an emergency Historic Resources Commission meeting. And we did that just as soon as we got that report on February 28th.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed5:42

Thank you, Brian.

CommentBrian AkinsProposedself-stated5:43

You're

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed5:43

welcome.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role5:45

Thank you, Brian.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed5:46

And Mayor I just had one follow-up question so this state report how does that it seems like it may impact a lot of projects moving forward is it necessary? Is there anything in it that says that the downtown now is historic? You know why are we allowing the state to interfere with city business

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction6:13

So it's not on tonight's agenda, so I can only give a brief comment and then we can have a discussion about it. The brief comment is repeating what was said at the prior meeting. The state in their wisdom determined that the downtown is a downtown historic district for CEQA purposes. So any project that comes through that's within the district that is subject to CEQAs has to assess whether it will or will not impact the historic character of that downtown.

And in this case, the hotel was subject to CEQA at that size. So we had to assess it and then we ended up going through with an exemption once it was determined not to have an impact. The council could look at some strategies to minimize that impact upon the other projects, and I would recommend if that's the desire we do that as a future agenda item in another meeting.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed6:56

May I comment on that? Can you bring it back to the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed6:59

chair? Yeah, can I do a follow-up? It's real simple. It seems like the word CEQA is what's going to generate what actions that we have to take,

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction7:10

correct? Yes, and we could for example look at local CEQA thresholds to adjust the impact of that. Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed7:17

thank you. Thank you Mayor. My very short comment is that's already on a future agenda item. Right, that it is. For this council to take up CEQAs thresholds within the range of local discretion which is another reason why we need to do it. Thank You Bill. Thank You Mayor.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role7:32

Sure, thank you Matt. All right well move on report out from City Attorney for the March 28th closed session

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction7:39

Thank you, Mayor. At the March 28th 2022 City Council closed session, the council met to consider the Ventura water litigation and took one reportable action which was to unanimously decide to move forward with a city request to join the Upper Ventura River Groundwater Agency, a groundwater sustainability agency that's a joint powers agency that covers about a quarter of the city roughly the Y West as distinct from the rest of the city which is in Ojai Basin Groundwater Management Agency, which the city's already a part of. Now the city is going to request joining Upper Ventura River Groundwater Agency and it will, it's joining the JPA so it'll go through a process that'll come back to council for formal approval but council did provide the direction to move forward.

Thank you.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role8:23

Thank you. All right just a quick reminder about meeting protocols. One of the jobs of the mayor is to facilitate the meeting and make sure we get through the city's business in an effective way. We are asking everyone to follow these rules Please raise your hand and wait to be called on, no crosstalk. Please bring it back to the chair and Council Member Blatz and Francina if you could use the raised hand icon please be brief and to the point stay on topic and please refrain from comment or deliberative discussion on an agenda item until after we have heard from all members of the public When you want to ask a staff member a question, please avoid turning your question into a comment. Please write down your comments and share them after we've heard from the public.

Please use respectful language and a civil tone and volume. Note on the volume, we need peace and calm to make good decisions. So if a voice is raised, we'll stop until the volume drops. When you're out of order I'm going to use the gavel. So thank you very much for your cooperation. Mayor. Yes, go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed9:28

Can we all get a copy of that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed9:30

Yeah I was gonna...I want a copy of that.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role9:34

Of course yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed9:35

happy to share. It feels like it needs a little tweaking here and there

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role9:40

Okay, we'll move on to public communication

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction9:43

Madam Mayor before we go to public comment. Did we formally approve the agenda?

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role9:47

Yes,

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction9:48

okay Thank you. I missed that in there.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role9:50

Yeah

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction9:51

Thank you

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role9:51

Okay We'll move on to public communication and just a reminder These are items not on the agenda and because they're not on the agenda. We cannot discuss them when you make a comment We're not ignoring you. We appreciate your viewpoint and participation We can agendize for the future normally public comment is three minutes if there are more than 25 comments And they're certainly or not tonight. So don't worry I will be asking the council to reduce the time to two minutes in the sense of fairness and efficiency Please stop talking when the time is up and model civility and respect no giving away time to another speaker No yelling, name calling or swearing. We're doing our best to run an efficient and a productive meeting so thank you very much for your understanding and participation.

So we'll begin with Jeffrey Starkweather then Bill Miley and then Wendy Larner.

0:10 – 0:164 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed10:45

Good evening Mayor, City Council members, staff. Hopefully there's some public. I'm here as actually representative as the president of the Ojai Valley Democratic Club and I just want to...I've already invited the city council directly but I want invite everybody else and the public Because we are going to have our new congressman Salud Carbajal here in town on the 24th at the home of Dulaney and Doug Labar, 206 South Blanche Street from two to three.

And one of the reasons I'm announcing it is because, and you've gotten the press release here, I'm a member of the Sierra Club, and I happened to get my newsletter. And there it was, this endorsement not only of Salud but of Julia Brownlee, our former congressman who actually is part of Ojai. She's the upper Ojai. This was one of the most effusive endorsements I've ever read. I just wanted to read real quickly just two paragraphs.

The Sierra Club said Representative Carbaugh understands the urgency of the climate crisis and highlighted his record as a member of the Climate Solutions Caucus and the Climate and Environmental Justice Congressional Task Force. He introduced bills to help local communities improve resiliency and adaptability of water-related infrastructure and encourage renewable energy, and he has championed efforts to strengthen Water Resiliency and Designate Los Padres as a Protected Wilderness.

As I wrote in this press release, we were especially pleased because Carbajal combines both climate solutions and social justice. And we believe that's what most of our residents of our valley desire for so all residents and future generations can equally enjoy the beauty and outdoor treasures of Ojai. I would add one more thing, so this is a chance for you to talk to him. This is gonna last two hours. He's gonna only speak for like 10 minutes that take questions, so there'll be plenty of time to talk to him.

Remember now that starting a year ago we had I forgot what they're called now. Pork barrel, but I can't think of the right word. Airmarks, sorry sir. So attached to the budget don't let the congressman say I said that. Attached to the budget are air marks and I looked at his Santa Barbara website, and he had given a lot of earmarks to important programs. So that's something that we in Ojai, since we're only Ojai and Ventura in his district, we should take advantage of this, come out and show our support, and see if we can get some more support for our congressmen not only in the environment but a lot of other issues. Thank you.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role13:55

Thank You Jeffrey. Next we have Bill Miley and then Wendy Larner

Commentmy name is BillProposedself-stated14:06

Good evening. For the record, my name is Bill Miley and I've lived here since 1968. At the April 7th Park and Recreation Commission last week, I spoke on the pickleball play issue with constructive comments about the potential for Soule Park as a pickleball center. I already have yellow? No, okay. And the value of the pickleball activity for preventing folks especially older folks from falls and early chronic injuries and deaths.

Also at the meeting, Tim Kraut, Ojai Pickleball Incorporated and a pickleball ambassador spoke of the number of pickleball folks playing during the month of March. Just during the weekdays there were 23 weekdays and there were 709 individuals who played during the month in those 23 days. The number gave me a new grander insight on the value of pickleball for all, especially seniors.

Since falling injuries are a major health issue as well as cost, the more folks who play pickleball in my opinion, the less falls, the less medical and other costs, more seniors are able to have good quality of life as they age and are able to age in their homes. The healthier large groups of folks will be, so a very valuable public health medical health primary prevention intervention is what I'm talking about. So I hope you'll agree with me that the preventive benefits of Pickleball can be should be A big selling point for county government to agree to developing a Pickleball Center at Soule Park.

It would meet the criteria currently not met by having pickleball play in a close urban area, and especially it would mitigate the pickleball play repetitive impact noise production. So preventing falls and improving quality of life is a grand goal, and I hope you'll go with that. Thanks!

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role16:39

Thank you, Bill. Next we have Wendy Larner and that will be the last public comment.

0:16 – 0:4910 turns

CommentWendy LarnerProposed16:47

Good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to speak my subject tonight concerns discussion item two from the March 22nd meeting and the action that was taken during that meeting to form an ad hoc committee for the further review of the Reach Code ordinance Because of time restraints, I did not have the opportunity to complete my statement that night. My closing remark was to be please council do not out of hubris and the desire to be the first in Ventura County to do something make rash decisions.

It's really important to know, understand and reason through how our electricity is generated at origination sites. The availability of adequate green energy, the cost in economic well-being of all the people, price incentives and rebates are not free, someone pays and they are not permanent. Consider too the environmental costs of these alternative sources as well.

It is so important that a bundle of unintended and perhaps irreversible negative consequences are not created by your decisions. Now to my point tonight, I very much appreciate your desire to carefully consider the issues raised in council discussion and public comments at the last meeting I'm pleased to be here today. You already have the benefit of their input.

For that reason, and a fact that the original committee was contrary to protocol given three extensions I think members of that committee should not be on the newly formed Ad Hoc Committee. I also suggest that good governance and stewardship of the people's civil rights require that you research and consider the input of excellent, credentialed, unbiased by grants scientists in many related fields as well as economics, agronomics, statisticians and the learned from other disciplines who may disagree but do have things to say about this issue that may disagree that there is an existential climate emergency or may agree that there is but disagree on what can sensibly be done about it.

Those of us in Ojai who have the ability to read and research, exercise logic, apply common sense but do not have expertise in any of the related fields may not be equipped to make the best case. But we can certainly provide or point you to a wealth of quality information.

not transcribed≈12s of audible speech the AI couldn’t make out▸ listen
ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role20:03

Thank you, Wendy. Time's up. Much appreciated. All right we will move on to the consent calendar a motion to approve. Mayor. Oh yeah oh I'm sorry

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed20:14

anybody on Zoom? I'll ask if anyone in the zoom queue would like to comment on public communications please use the raise hand function now and I'll call on you No one's raising their hand. Okay,

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role20:28

thank you. All right move to approve the consent calendar?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed20:30

Move to approve it items A through H on the consent calendar. Second.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role20:35

That is everything okay roll call please Gail.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 Move to approve it items A through H on the consent calendar. Second. That is everything okay roll call
Show transcript
Councilmember Francina? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Yes Mayor Sticks? Yes Council Member Weyrich? Yes Council Member Blatz? Yes

Okay, all right thank you very much. All right we'll move on to discussion item number two the 2022-2023 general fund budget forecast and I just want a big shout out to Pam and James for doing the impossible and getting us through COVID and uh we're still here so thank you so much um done an incredible job much appreciated

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:20

Mayor, can I add something to that comment too? And as much as we appreciate what Pam and James have done, we should also reach out to the community and say thank you for staying with us and supporting us and giving us money that those two could manage. Without that they wouldn't have been managing anything. Took us all.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role21:41

So we have a presentation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed21:43

Yes and with us being back in chambers we're trying our hand at a different technology. Let me see if it's going to work. Give me one second. We have a presentation will try to keep brief but let me see. OK I think that's why. All right I think this will work so it's not perfect but Okay, so we have a presentation we'll try to keep fairly brief. I think the big thing with this first budget workshop particularly this year and after the last couple years is kind of just understanding where we're at from a big picture perspective. The last couple years have been kind of almost like a rubber band effect where we've talked about and this slide shows Our revenues kind of bouncing around, going up or down. And then as we kind of looked back at the last five years, we realized that even five years ago what we call the last pre-COVID year of 2018 to 2019, we were still recovering from the Thomas fire so you really haven't had a regular quote unquote budget year for longer than five years really.

So we wanted to start with tonight looking kind of big picture. What's it looking like? What are we expecting? And I think the positive that you could see right off the top, looking at our first slide showing revenues is we have seen this year that revenues have increased to the highest level in four plus years and we're expecting that trend to continue and we've seen it getting stronger as the year goes So as you can see in the chart, the first year of COVID our city revenues had dropped to $10.2 million that increased to 11.3 the second year by the end of June we expect this year to be closer to 12.3 so basically a million dollars year over year over those three years and we're expecting or we're proposing in our budget for next year that our revenues will be 13.1 million dollars And so that is pretty substantial growth.

It also does show how much of an impact the city faced those first two years especially of COVID where the revenues had dropped 2 to $3 million, respectively each year. The big question you may ask at that point is what assumptions are we making to come to that conclusion, that revenues will keep growing to about $13.1 million? So this slide lists some of the basics.

We're assuming that the recovery continues from the pandemic and that there's no further business closures. If there were any business closures, we would expect the revenues to not meet projections But we at this point looking forward, we don't anticipate that happening. We also only assume the current hotels are open obviously last week we had the hearing for the El Roblar Hotel.

The operators at that meeting stated that they anticipate it will be about 16 months. To get reopened. So this budget does not include any revenues from the reopening of that hotel or any additional hotels from what we currently have. For cannabis tax, which will talk a little bit more about later on tonight. We're assuming that the existing vendors continue to operate the three dispensaries We are kind of backing out the manufacturing revenue, which we had anticipated receiving this year as we're hearing more that those manufacturing businesses are not getting moving as quickly as we had thought that they would.

So it assumes that three dispensaries remain open with no additional manufacturing sites at this time. We also assume the continued trend of cable franchise fees to keep reducing as more people move away from cable and towards online subscription. That impacts our revenues to some extent. We also do not include any potential new businesses, there's another business that's going to the HPC Thursday I think which is the Playhouse Theater for example We don't anticipate any revenues from those businesses yet, just because the timeline's not certain yet of when they will open and begin operations.

And we also don't propose any major changes to current operations. I know we've talked about some potential ideas such as the Soule Park Partnership. Those are not included in the first round of the budget but it's something based on feedback from council that we can look at. And then finally, the budget reinstates the transfer to the CIP from our TOT, our hotel tax. But at a 10% level we had eliminated that the last couple years due to budget challenges but we're proposing reinstating that in this year's budget and so that's reflected in the proposed budget as well.

And I'll go through these, I'll try to go through these fairly quickly and then take questions towards the end. Up front when we're talking revenues, I think that the important thing for us to look at are what we call the big three revenues and we have a fourth there but the fourth one is not to the same level as the big three but it's an important topic so the Big Three Revenues for the City of Ojai are the hotel tax, otherwise known as the transient occupancy tax.

The sales tax and the property tax. And what I think this chart shows that we're pulling up on screen here is there is a perception, I think, that the economy's really recovering and that, you know, we're seeing more people in Ojai and more people shopping and things like that. One thing looking at these trends that's interesting is that sales tax is fairly flat. Property tax is growing a little bit at a time, which makes sense because the city gets just a small portion of property tax so it doesn't grow very fast and so the one tax that really increases dramatically and has been driving the growth in our revenues is the hotel tax Which increased from 3.5 million dollars in revenue and 20 to 21 to 4.4 million this year and we're projecting to increase further to four point six million next year those revenues also have kind of a doubling effect not quite doubling effect but because of Measure C as those revenues grow we also get that additional 5 percent towards CIP projects So that revenue is very important because even this year if we're projecting 4.4 million for example, that means that we'd also be projecting $2.2 million in Measure C revenues which is something that did not exist prior to 2020 so.

That's where we're seeing the most growth. That's where we're seeing the most impact and that's where we also get that double benefit of Measure C. So looking at those, when we look at our revenues and we see that the revenues have grown by a million dollars over the last couple years. What you can see looking at these revenues is that it's the hotel tax which is driving that increase. And we expect that to continue into next year.

Last on this slide, again not one of the big threes but we thought it was worth talking a little bit about, but the cannabis tax over three years. The first year when it was just implemented for part of the year we received about $188,000 in revenue which had ended up being about $30,000 a month That pretty much continued for 21 to 22. We're a little bit lower than projected, but we're at about $320,000. We had thought that we'd get closer to $400,000, but that was when we thought the manufacturing businesses would be operating. And so next year we're showing 300,000 in revenue which is actually a slight decrease.

And I think what the reason why Pam and I talked about that one quite a bit and I think that the real reason there is just all the cities around us are seeing this from the increased competition on cannabis tax that the tax revenues are starting to either kind of top out or even start to revert a little bit. So we show in our next budget that number going from the $320,000 this year to $300,000 next year.

And also for the first time in this budget we show that those cannabis tax revenues go straight transferred into the reserve per the City Council's adopted policy so every dime of cannabis tax will immediately move into our city's emergency reserves. And I'll try to keep these brief, right? I'm going long on these. The next slide we show the city's revenues kind of taking a step back. The slide before looked at tax revenues in particular. This slide shows kind of the major revenue categories.

We highlighted three things. One was the tax revenues, which show what we just spoke about a minute ago. Those are increasing but it's basically increasing by the amount that the hotel tax increases so that's really the only place we're seeing growth at this point. The other thing we highlighted in this chart is the recreation programming, which you can see how severely impacted that was from pre-COVID. We had about $600,000 in revenue to during COVID dropping to as low as $140,000, which obviously it's hard to run rec programming when people are being told to stay at home and not congregate or things like that. So we are we are seeing that bounce back up to about two hundred and seventy thousand dollars. And next year we're anticipating growing that a little bit more by adding some senior programming that we're working on so that'll that's an area where there's a big swing but I think we're projecting fairly optimistic.

And then the last box that we highlight on this chart is the COVID funding assistance the American Rescue Plan Act funding We are anticipating that we will receive, we've received one but we're anticipating a second payment of $893,000 in the COVID funding. And so those are shown here but we wanted to separate that out because it would make it look like the city's revenues grew when they really didn't grow. It was just that we're receiving these one-time COVID funding payments.

We just wanted to call that out and explain that a little bit more. So we are expecting to receive the second payment shortly of that, so we'll have those two American Rescue Plan Act payments. So revenues, that's really the big picture in revenues. Again we're seeing steady growth mostly from the hotel industry and we're projecting increasing from the $12.2 million level to the $13.1 million level next year.

And I would say it's fairly conservative, but Pam and I always try to keep in mind that our city's adopted financial policy is to budget conservatively. So I think we're in line with a conservative realistic estimate of next year's revenue. So now that we've talked revenue, we wanted to talk a little bit about the expenditures that we show in this budget. And so I'll go through these very briefly and some of these are hit on a couple slides so I won't get too detailed but Really the big picture for this year's budget is with that increase in revenue, focusing on catching up on deferred maintenance. Key projects like making sure to fund key projects.

Prepaying the debts like the pension related costs that have a compounding effect by prepaying them Rebuilding reserves and rebuilding staffing levels. And so I think those are really the five key areas that as we talk about the different expenses in the budget, every expense really falls into one of those categories. One of the first things we are proposing is increasing all of the budgets for maintenance, for facilities, parks, streets and trees.

And that increase in the budget proposed is about $150,000 for those categories. And that's in the general fund but some of those costs are also reflected in the capital improvement project budget which will be the second workshop. So we're proposing increasing it here, but we're also proposing utilizing some of the different Measure C funds and things like that for some of these projects too. A big emphasis on catching up on deferred maintenance.

We're also proposing reinstating the prepayment of the retiree medical payment, the $100,000 prepayment that we had done for I believe it was four or five years at this point. And so we're proposing reinstating that. Some of these things had been cut only like when we were really trying to cut the budget during the worst of the pandemic. So this budget reflects a lot of those things being added back in at this point.

The budget also includes the largest contingency fund budget to date, $450,000. We've had a contingency fund for about three years. It's been about 100 to 200 thousand dollars and we've used it each year and I think next year looking forward with some of the litigation issues and things like that, the water litigation and some of these other projects, we are expecting to have the need for the largest contingency which will allow us to fund unanticipated projects. So this budget includes $450,000 for that.

It also includes enhanced code enforcement services expanding on what we had done the most last year and this kind of builds up on that a little bit more And then it also includes rebuilding the staff levels by filling the remaining vacancies. We still have a few vacancies left from when we froze some positions, and also adding two additional maintenance workers And I want to explain that quickly because we in the budget are and I'm sorry in the packet today. We had a consent item That talked a little bit about my oh, hi, and I just wanted to talk a little bit about that quickly we don't want to have it be its own full discussion item but it the impacts of the my Ojai application are Trying we're trying to make sure we budget for those To help offset some of those things in the budget And so just quickly, the My Ojai application was the smartphone application that we launched 11 months ago.

We're coming up on the one-year anniversary and that's the smartphone application that allows residents to take a photo with their smartphone report an issue and have the location and everything tagged on the smartphone And so to date we've had 1,205 downloads of that application which far exceeds expectations. When we first got that application we asked the software developers for a city our size how many people would they expect to download the app and they said about 300 and so I told them it would be 10 times that I told them it would be ten times that. We're not quite there, but we're at about four times that at this point. And so one of the nice things about that app is not only can people report issues quickly, but we can also print reports very quickly and so using that app we were able to look at all the requests so far and there have been 604 service requests in the first 11 months And related to one of the items later tonight, 59 of those were for gas-powered landscape equipment.

We just see here the evidence shows that that is the highest demand right now for service according to our MyOhai application. And so 59 of those 382 complaints were for gas-powered landscape equipment, the other big categories were noise issues, RV parking, tree trimming, commercial filming without permits Zoning violations, and then early during the pandemic we were getting a lot of COVID-19 compliance related complaints.

So again all of those are reasons why additional code enforcement would be a priority, a recommended priority. And then the second biggest category is 190 for public works. The bulk of them are potholes which we've also I think done pretty well at getting those filled fairly quickly And so we've had potholes, parks issues such as playground equipment issues, sprinklers issues, trash issues and then sidewalk repairs and trash in the city right away. Those are the big categories for Public Works.

And so one of our recommendations is to include some Public Works maintenance worker positions so that we can create kind of just like a pothole crew that can work on those Also with paving being the big project plan to this year being able to work and coordinate with the paving so And then we received 32 other issues. So across all the other departments 32, so it's very clear that the big Demand is code compliance in public works. So that's where we're proposing to use some funding for additional staffing I And there is a report kind of on that in the consent packet, but we just wanted to call that out as a little bit of the explanation.

Regarding the expenditures, so what we propose is essentially a balanced budget at this point. This is a first draft, so we expect to get feedback and we'll bring back changes. But with the start it's fairly balanced. It's about a $40,000 deficit Which we can balance, but we wanted to start with the realistic picture. Now I wanted just to have this slide it just speaks a little bit too...

Obviously the first question I would ask is last year we were at $11 million dollars, this year we're at $13 million dollars. Why the two million dollar increase? Have we gone on a spending spree? And I think it's actually the opposite is that the last couple of years we went on a cutting spree and this year we're trying to start adding things back in, restoring service levels and public works and code enforcement. That's a chunk of about $700,000.

Increasing our contingency fund, increasing rec programming, and then an increase in our insurance costs And an expected 5% increase in our sheriff's costs. That's another chunk under the departmental operating expenses of about $500,000 in increases and then reinstating all the transfers that we deferred during the pandemic Because in the pandemic is very easy to say let's just not transfer money to CIP this year. Let's not transfer money for equipment or vehicle replacement, but if we are going to want to start replacing equipment and vehicle and even you know we had talked about electrifying our fleet and things like that. At some point, we need to start putting some money into those accounts to do that. So that's included in this budget with about a $700,000 increase as well.

Between those three categories you can see about two million dollars in increases. Those are the bulk of the increased expenditures this year. And we have that in more detail. I won't go through that unless there's questions, but so at the end of our first workshop kind of from a big picture perspective what we're looking at is about a $13.1 million in revenue that's anticipated and $13 .14 million in expenditures for right now a shortage of about $40,000 again, I would say that's pretty much a balanced budget In the scheme of things.

And so what we, and then the positive you can see from this slide is that over the last two years because of the reductions we made and then over time that recovery, we actually are looking at those two years rebuilding our reserve by ending up 21-22 and 20 to 21 with surpluses for each of those years. It puts us back to where we're at now, which is we've rebuilt the reserve. We're actually slightly higher than when the pandemic started. I think we're close to about $4.7 million in reserve right now.

But if we adopt a budget of $13 million because our goal is a 50 percent reserve, our reserve goal would be about six and a half million dollars so we'd still have some work to do to meet that goal. So that's our proposed budget at this point. A couple of quick points and this is more to kind of prep for or just start thinking about for the next council meeting, the next budget workshop is going to be Measure C and CIP.

And so we just wanted to give a little bit of an overview of the revenue that we expect for Measure C that we will be able to use towards projects I mentioned earlier that now hotel tax, when we used to get a dollar and now we get $1.50 with Measure C. And so when we look at next year and it's the record hotel tax of 4.6 million dollars is what we're expecting. That also means 2.3 million dollars in Measure C So you can see from this chart that by the end of next year, we'll anticipate having about six million dollars of Measure C. Some of that's been used for projects and so when we go over the Measure C budget will show what's been done to date and what's still planned for today planned for the next year from some of the projects they had carried over but there will be some additional funding for the council to identify some more priority projects at the next workshop.

So that that's coming up the next meeting And so we broke it down to there's like five general areas that we wanted to get feedback on but of course, we're happy to take any questions and Walk through it. But really the five general questions The first one is the big one to me which is the general feedback from Council if this budget at 13 million dollars is realistic optimistic aggressive or conservative.

And we think it's conservative realistic, I think is what we would say but I think one of the points we want to make like we said in the last five years we've had the Thomas fire and the pandemic so you know we think that it's paid off to be conservative over the last few years and I think that's a good place to be So that's kind of the first general question. Second, we recommend reinstating the TOT to the CIP transfer, the Transfer of Hotel Tax for Capital Improvement Projects but we're recommending it at a reduced 10% level this year. The idea being that we had cut it for a few years so it's time to start getting back into doing that But with Measure C, I think that we will have to look at that policy because I don't know that a 20% transfer is needed anymore.

We just we have other funds now that can be used for those which will free up some general fund money that could be used for priorities. Third, the contingency fund. We noted that $450,000 is included which is the highest level to date but there's a question of if that's adequate? We have so many things going on and the water litigation is one example that can utilize those funds very quickly. So we wrestled with having more at some points and at some points trying to pull it back.

Fourth, which will also be a topic at the next meeting is that right now in the budget $103,000 is included in community funding. That was $204,000 this and this year's current budget so $103,000 would be a reduction. So I anticipate that the council want to talk about that and identify what level of funding we'll need for community funding And then last, we are going to bring this back to Budget Committee and discuss it a little bit more. But we were looking at as the budget recovers prepaying some other unfunded liabilities like pension costs and prepaying those to reduce long-term costs of those items.

But we want to do a couple rounds of review on that with the Budget Committee to determine if it really is worth it, to cut a little now to save money in the long run. So that's something we'll talk about with the Budget Committee but it's another priority item. So with that, that's kind of the big picture and I'm happy to answer any questions. And as you mentioned, I didn't let her get a word in, but Pam, our finance director is here as well. We ran through this three or four times today. So so I probably talked right over it. But we're both here to answer any any questions.

0:49 – 1:0335 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed49:21

I need to know if I'm doing the race hand function correctly. Can you see it? Let me

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed49:28

Let me unshare my screen so that we can see. Okay, so we should be able to see you now but I don't see a raised hand.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role49:39

I can see you Susie do you have a question?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed49:42

Yes, but I also want to know how did I click raise hand it doesn't show up.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role49:48

No, you wanna just use your real hand.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed49:50

Yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed49:52

I don't think it's working

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed49:53

unfortunately. Okay, okay I have a couple of unrelated questions first what is community funding again? I'm sure you explained it but I missed something

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed50:05

so community funding is the category that we had funded this year we had funded $204,000 for the Fire Safe Council, $50,000. Chamber of Commerce and I believe they were at I think it was a hundred thousand dollars and then the museum for fifty thousand dollars.

Commentmy name is BillProposedself-stated50:24

And

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed50:24

then Independence State Committee for two thousand dollars so that's what's included in this year's budget so that's proposed at one hundred and four thousand dollars next

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed50:32

year. Another question is, sometimes I'll remember things that I thought were part of the budget but they haven't happened. And I keep noticing that there's still no cover on the trolley stop in front of Bank of America, that heat island there and I don't know what category that is or if we need to put that back in or how to go about making sure that that happens.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed50:54

Yeah so that's in the capital improvement project budget and that is included. It's included in our CIP budget so that one we're going to get go through in more detail at the next meeting but that item is included right now scheduled for I believe it's next year being you know July 1st starting the year starting July 1st is when it's scheduled

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed51:21

Okay, now that's the part I don't understand because it seems like we asked for maybe as long as two years ago if not longer. So what's the delay?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed51:31

Yeah, so the CIP is a five year plan and so some of the items when they are requested get added this year and some get added onto the plan two years three years four years five years. I want to say that item was actually included in this year's plan and they're working on the engineering so it could be completed this year but i think just realistic i think it'll be after July 1st probably you know between July 1st and October is what i would think

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed51:58

Also, you're saying that it could be completed this year or just start getting started.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed52:05

Yeah there were like they're doing the engineering of it this year but I don't think the engineering will be done by the end of this year by the end of when I say this year I mean by June 30th

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed52:15

I didn't realize a trolley stop required engineering. I just, you know, we also did discuss putting up some temp really just temporary during the hot part of the summer. I know we discussed that. And perhaps we could look at that again because if we want people to ride the trolley, you know, that is just such a key location more so than ever with all the things going on in town.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role52:45

More questions? Let's stick to questions. Bill?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed52:48

I have a few, but I'll start with just two. And Pam may be the one that has to respond because they're a little technical. The inflation factor looks like the highest in 40 years. It affects both sides of the ledger, the revenue side and the expenditure side. So the real question is whether there's a disproportionate impact. If it affects both sides at roughly the same percentage then we're balanced.

But I'm thinking, for example, we have a basically it looks like no inflation factor in the sales tax projection at all. And on the other hand, we have expenditure issues and so I'm just basically asking how you thought about approaching the inflation factor in the forecasting on both sides of the ledger? And the other question I have is do we have an update, I remember years ago A pretty healthy rate of return on paying down, for example, the unfunded PERS liability and wonder if the Budget Committee has been presented with the current rate of return on paying that liability down in terms of reduced future payments.

So those are two questions I have.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed54:03

I'll answer the second one and then I'll let Pam speak to the first one because the second one so the answer on that is that we are scheduling a budget committee meeting For the next. I think what do we say by end of April is what we were trying to do Yeah where we're gonna have gov invest which is the company we had contracted with to monitor that and provide reporting of The pension liabilities. So we're going to have a budget committee looking at that and that is the issue we're gonna look at is for every dollar we spend how much are we saving in the long run? So, so we are working on that for end of April then second I have a very non-technical answer to the inflation question but I'll see if Pam has a technical one before I answer Your

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed54:55

microphone. How did I come up with the sales tax projection? I did look at the inflation factor and it what is published is based on the base year and depending on which Let's see, which factor you use? It might be from 19-something versus what I try to do is what has happened since the last year. So I look at inflation from year to year and so far year over year it's been about 2% to 4%. And recently of course there's a lot more.

If you look at some factor it's The cumulative rate of inflation is about 14%-ish. So to be conservative per our policy, I try to look at... We use HDL as our consultant and I try to balance their projection with what I feel is conservative and in discussion with James as well. What have we realistically collected? There's always projection of how much we're gonna make but do we really collect that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed56:20

And on the expenditure side, how are we building any inflation factor?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed56:26

I think it was 5%. I'll

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed56:29

have more questions later.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed56:31

If I can add my non-technical answer is that growth we're seeing is in hotel tax, and our hotel rates are increasing like crazy. It doesn't take a financial guru or city manager to look at the INS rates and see that they're off the charts. For us, that's fortunate because that does help us hedge against inflation because the hotel tax keeps increasing. Because the hotel rates keep going up so we have that as Pam mentioned sales tax We do contract with HDL and they also Kind of you know, we made sure we worked with them on We looked at their projections and we took that And then the one thing I wanted to say about sales tax is We noticed looking back the last three years, it was $1.8 million every year. Like very little change from 1,808,000 to 1,820,000.

And so next year we proposed 1.9 million, 1,916,000 And really, we talked about it. The reason we propose increasing to 1,916,000 is because of inflation. I think we've seen that the numbers are very flat otherwise so that's a 5% increase. We talked about the big three, the property tax. It's interesting because everybody knows house prices are going up. Same thing like we said hotel taxes you know anybody can tell you that house prices keep going up but it is interesting looking at the patterns It takes years for that to be reflected and it also is small increases again I think because we only get that 1% of property tax so when somebody's house goes up $200,000 we're getting a very small piece.

Yeah, yeah and prop 13 limitations

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed58:28

So all

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role58:29

right. Thank you As

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed58:31

my eyes gloss over on On inflation percentages is so interesting You know what's what's inflated today? You know in six months could go down I mean it just changes that fluctuates so so fast so aside from that I have a couple questions and On the transfer of the TOT revenue to capital improvement, the old policy was 20%. We're thinking of 10% because of the Measure C. We haven't really had that discussion.

What are we giving up by not keeping it at 20%? Could we pave more, what improvements could we continue to do to the community to enhance it to get caught up from COVID.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed59:21

Yeah, you know when you look at our capital improvement project list this year the number one item is paving and I think we were looking at there's different funds so like we keep getting a number and then we realize there's another fund but I think we were looking at the largest paved job ever in Ojai which was going to be about 1.5 million dollars I think with all All funds, all the different revenues that were going to be used. So with Measure C or because of Measure C we're going to have the biggest paving project we've ever had and so that's a positive but you know if we had the funding available and we could do the full 20% transfer of hotel tax over to CIP That would free up another $450,000 or so. So it could be a two million dollar paid job.

Or the council could identify other projects for those funds, other capital improvement type projects. So it's a balance and that's where we think the 10% is a compromise because we had cut it for a couple years in tough times. It's like starting to get back to paying ourselves for those projects but not doing it all at once and also recognizing that we do have this 2.2 million, $2.3 million of Measure C coming in that we did not have two or three years ago to help offset so...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:00:52

So the other question that I have, James, is on the deferred maintenance that we have on our facilities. Has Public Works actually created a list of projects that they feel their way behind on? Like you know, I'm at Sarasota every weekend for soccer As I look at the ball diamonds and I look at the with a turf in the dirt meat There's about a two-inch differential there so you can manage that by either taking the turf down or you can bring the infilled up Yeah, I don't think we've done any infill infill in filling in years So again, that would be some project that I would be looking at public works for us. I Rather than CIP that to me is just general maintenance that needs to be performed. It's like general maintenance on painting facilities so I Have we?

That's the question have we are you going to provide a list of these deferred projects when we reach the measure see expenditures and the CIP expenditures

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:01:56

So we aren't where we want to be. We had our new public works supervisor started on one week ago today and so we had had our public works supervisors position vacant for six months, and so we aren't where we wanted to be if we hoped to have you know all those Reports on the facilities done prior to these discussions We have the person on board now. We're gonna have those discussions There's a couple ways we're thinking about handling that in the budget would be like one would be identifying Maintenance funding and then being able to come back later when we have those lists and say okay These are the priorities that we need to use that funding for which is what we did in the general fund budget to some extent

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:02:45

mm-hmm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:02:46

But so we aren't where we want to be. I think we have the people in place now where we're going to be able to get to that point and so we're working on it to address this specific issue you raised, the ball field issue that is listed on the CIP for the fiscal years kind of throw me off. It's either in the CIP for 22-23 or 23-24 But I agree with you on the sentiment that we need to have somebody who's looking at that and seeing, is it going to make it to that point or does it need to get bumped up? And we need to come back to council. So that's what we're gonna do with our public works supervisor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:03:26

Just a follow-up, I just think that we need to stop. I think we need have that discussion about is it CIP or is it actual deferred maintenance which to me are two different areas. Yeah, that's true. Mayor, I have two more questions after you. Pardon me, I have two more questions. I'm yielding the floor to you.

1:03 – 1:1014 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:03:53

Microphone.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:03:57

Question?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:03:59

I have more but not, I don't want to displace Ryan if it's his

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:04:02

turn. Ryan do you have any questions? Okay, do you want to go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:04:05

ahead? Very positive direction to expand or allow expansion of dispensary services several months ago. It appears in this budget, and correct me if I'm wrong that's the question, that there is no anticipated implementation of that direction in the next fiscal year?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:04:28

It's not that there's not anticipated implementation. It's that we don't, we aren't comfortable projecting any increased revenue yet and so the very simple answer as far as timeline is we're working on that item coming to Planning Commission for the second time either April 20th or May 6th first meeting in May. The date I might be off but We're anticipating the cannabis report that would allow for that expansion at that time. And so if the Planning Commission makes a decision at that point, that could be coming back to Council before the end of this fiscal year theoretically.

But we just didn't... Pam and I looking at the budget and seeing that the revenues have started to kind of level out, we didn't want to bank our budget on that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:05:25

And then the other thing is, this is something I brought up for years and thank you for that. Completely using the authority that's in our code for fines for repeated violations of code violations. We do warnings, we tend to do repeated warnings and I just wanted to point out that we are talking about enhanced code enforcement service but that shouldn't necessarily just be done by general fund when we do have authority especially for repeat offenders Use the fining mechanism both to fund the code enforcement service as well as You know get the a little more desired result in terms of behavior changes, so I just want to point that out That doesn't look like we're looking at any increase in fines It doesn't look like we are okay assuming that I'm sorry and then my last thing is in what category of the 640, 604 service requests are short-term rental violation complaints.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:06:34

Short term rental violation would be in the code compliance category? Yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:06:39

there's 604 I was wondering which of those categories of 604 are short term rentals I didn't see it listed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:06:44

It's in the so I put that slide together this morning so I just omitted it but it should be in the list with the 392 complaints and code compliance. The three it's in the 382 okay. I would say that the reason why I would say that I don't think the number triggered it being one of the top five on the MyOhai because most people don't complain about short-term rentals using the MyOhai app. The complaints for short-term rentals are typically calls or emails where people say, here's an ad and I found it versus MyOhai is you're out somewhere and you take a picture of something. So we do, that's one point is on my Ojai slide the 600 issues that we've received. That doesn't mean we don't receive them still in person by phone, by email it's just this is like a new reporting option and so but to your point short-term rentals and gas landscaping equipment we are now on citation on the first offense which has been interesting.

I think we've been doing that for about six months and it, I would say what we're seeing is it works much quicker you know people that had said they'd work on fixing it after the warning before are now actually fixing it on the first offense so it's working better for us. So I think that's continuing but we didn't see a huge or we're not hoping for a huge increase in either of those violations either

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:08:18

If our reserves are tied into our cannabis tax and we're trying to work our way up to a 6.5 million dollar based on our 13 million dollar budget How do you plan on doing that with 300, with collecting less tax in 22-23 than we did in 21-22? So that's the first question. That's a big how. Then the second question is should it come back to council that we actually have a discussion of total revenues, income and percentaging to the reserve for future increases in that. So we might look at how we fund it and can we fund it differently?

And you don't have to answer that tonight but those are my questions if we're relying on cannabis tax and we're projecting less next year than we do this year That means our reserves are not going to be growing Like we're projecting them to be next year unless we fund them from another source

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:09:26

Right. Yeah, I think the very simple explanation is if we're projecting 300,000 in cannabis and we adopt the balanced budget We're expecting the reserve to grow by $300,000. So to your point it's not going to get us to 6.5 million in a year so with the current circumstances it would take us several years to get to that point. Whether to change that or to consider it would be a council discussion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:09:57

So Mayor, when we're done with the Q&A here, we're going to open up to the public and then we're gonna come back for another deeper dive on some questions and discussion. Okay thank

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:10:08

you. No more questions? We'll move on to public comment. We have one public comment from Bill Miley.

1:10 – 1:156 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:10:19

Right there.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:10:24

And then Brian.

Commentmy name is BillProposedself-stated1:10:25

Good evening, two parts to this. First one deals with community funding and the proposed $103,000 with last year 204,000 so I have four points. One, this is about a 50% reduction from this year's adopted budget In my opinion, this presentation functionally states less value for this year's funding grants for the Chamber, the Fire Council and the Museum. Three, I see this reduction as a policy decision which does not seem appropriate for an administrative action.

Four, it seems more appropriate to replicate the amount of this year's appropriation and let the council decide the policy which would be the amount. Second part here. I have to do with revenues. Regarding sales tax, with thousands of tourists coming to our city, their TOT tax revenues are going up because of the increase in TOT percent. Sales tax revenues are flat at 7 1⁄2% or 7 1⁄2 cents per dollar. One cent as I understand that's seven and a half cents goes to the city It seems time to ask voters to raise that sales tax, to help pay for the wear and tear tourists bring to our town.

And a key part of this would be to know what on an estimate basis how much of the 1.9 million sales tax comes from tourists? I would suggest that may be up to 75%. So, I think it's time to seriously talk about asking the voters to raise that. To help pay for tourists who bring good stuff but they wear and tear our city. Thanks.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:12:54

Thank you Bill. Next we have Brian Akins.

CommentBrian AkinsProposedself-stated1:13:00

Thank you, Mayor. Brian Aikens, president of the Ojai Valley Museum. I put up my Ojai app for you so even though I'm not a resident, I'm still included. First of all, I want to thank finance manager Greer, James, the council, the employees and the community for the fine job that you did. They've always been complimentary of the city for the way they manage their money and pay their bills. So congratulations to you.

I'll get to my thing first. So last year we asked for $50,000 that was in consideration of everybody taking a reduction our expenses this year it wasn't because our expenses were necessarily down although we fight that with every bit we get right now we're about fourteen hundred dollars above where we were last year This year we're asking for $60,000. We got to jump and you'll see this when I give you the slides next week. In the first month we spent $3,420. I reminded James that was the negotiation we put into where the museum bought the compressor in July of last year and we said just keep in mind that it will show up in the graph when it comes later. So again, $60,000 is we discussed in our finance committee. It's the amount that was put forth by our treasurer and then was approved by the board.

Then we'll have more information where when do you started filling out the forms yesterday? And so we'll have all of that to you at the next meeting in the hundred Minute 21 seconds. I just was reviewing things I do when I'm my grandson which we were watching on Sunday's taking a nap and Reviewing the budget on my iPhone. 34% of the budget was where your reserve was, it says that the budget then went down to $700,000. It said you were very conservative and somehow the city rebuilt the reserve to approximately 4.76 million at the end of 2022.

Congratulations on that. And then to get to the 20%, you'll need to get up to 6.55, 50% of the 13.1 million, 4.76, that's 1.79. So in the last year or two, you went and recovered what looks to be almost $4 million. Now you've got 1.7 to do. I see the reserves in there. Reserves are always good. Because things happen anyway, congratulations on that and I look forward to talking with you in two weeks. Thank you

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:15:47

Thank You Brian Gail any public comments on zoom

1:15 – 1:2623 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:54

If anyone in the zoom meeting in excuse me in the zoom queue would like to comment on this item Please use the raise hand function now

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:16:04

Okay, thank you all right we will move on to discussion now

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:16:11

Why don't we ask them to speak

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:16:12

first? I don't see a hand. Anyone like to start?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:16:19

Ryan, Sousa?

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:16:20

Hey, I'll take care of it Randy. Anybody like to start? Ryan? Sousa? Bill? Randy? Who wants to start go ahead

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:16:29

Bill. First of all thank you very much for the way this is presented and this is the first of several rounds so with attention to time I'm gonna I just want to mention a couple of things. One is that, I really feel it's important because it hits so many positives that we budget That we find a way to budget in our contingency and perhaps it's already there for the possible arrangement with the county on Sewell Park.

Properly call that out separately, but I think we have a meeting with the supervisor very soon. I think there's a great win-win there and I think that we really need to make sure that we have room in the budget to handle that if indeed we can implement it in the next fiscal year. I think that's very important personally just making that point also on the when we get into the I guess I don't know whether this is equipment or measure C But I think we need to look at aggressive movement from internal combustion to electric and our public works fleet.

Particularly given very high used prices for trucks right now and that's worth an analysis. And also the expanding into the micro gids in our parking lots making sure we have feasibility for that integrated with you know what works or doesn't work in those more remote locations from our City Hall facility. As well as the implementation of a greater density of chargers in our parking lots, perhaps integrated with expansion to microgrid. I think all of this is important in terms of the sustainability issue.

And the other thing that I didn't hear, that I just am going to point out that I'll just ask for further analysis of is what we're doing to the Helbovohai facility in terms of renovation for sustainability. And I don't mean just electricity. I also mean what we're doing with the water consumption. Whether or not we have a plan where we maybe can apply for grants, for even maybe gray and black water upgrades that could be integrated into our restoration of the community garden and then Stewart Canyon thing. So I'm just asking for...I'm not dictating but I just think that we need to continue to think about these things in terms of how we build them into our contingency And just little things in our equipment budget. For example, we're woefully inadequate and bike racks everywhere and we need to be looking at how we plan for that in the next fiscal year.

So these are just general comments I'm making and obviously will get into more detail on a staff conversation basis.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:19:43

And the Sewell Park that you mentioned, that would be in our operating budget. That would be something we'd have to include in the operating budget but the electric fleet EV charger microgrid, the help of Ojai facility and the bike racks would be capital improvement projects so those are going to be discussed at the next council meeting. We're working on those now so we'll definitely take the feedback though.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:20:08

Thank you, Mayor.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:20:09

Randy?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:20:09

So I just want to touch on these electric vehicles real quick is Bill, Councilman Weirich, I'm not sure if you're talking about trucks but at this stage they're just coming out so I would defer any truck purchase for two to three years however there's no reason for some of our supervisors to have to be driving around in trucks when there is... I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:20:30

talking

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:20:31

about When there is vehicles that are already proven Electric vehicles that are already proven to be of quality and to be capable replacements for get-around, especially in our small community. So I think that's important when we look at that. Again, I want to get back to this reserve because James, I just keep seeing this reserve fluctuating. We're at $13 million this year. We could be at $14 million next year if we're 14-23-24.

Then that puts us even at a greater deficit in the reserve. So I think we need to come up with something that's better than just cannabis. I think cannabis is a good start, but I think we need to do something better. In fact Brian Aikens just said it was 1.79 million that we would need to get caught up with the 6.5. I don't see that happening overnight. So Again, maybe maybe 50% is the goal and maybe that's not Achievable because of budgets fluctuating So that's one comment the other comment is how can we enhance it greater than $300,000 a year? That would be my other one getting back to Mr. Miley's comments about the community funding, we went from 204 and you dropped it down to 103 but you didn't necessarily tell us what you deleted so I would have thought the budget would have started at 204 and council would have then had that conversation with you regarding what we're going to remove So with that in mind, I had asked for an assessment of chamber projects versus like projects that we're doing in-house.

What can we remove from their responsibility or from the request that we have through that contract service with them? So that we so that we knew specifically what we were removing and also what they would be accountable for. Mm-hmm So that's one of them. I don't know. I'm not sure on the other ones, right? again with deflation and with Mr. Akins asking for it looked like a 7% increase something of that nature Where are you Ryan $10,000 more on 50 down $50,000 So however that works out but again We might be looking at it all the other Entities that are going to be requesting yeah The last thing I have is we've collected to date a We haven't collected to date.

We are projected to collecting to date $6.286 million for Measure C. Can we have some, how do we account for that money and where it's been spent? Do we earmark it in our, Pam, do we earmark that anywhere in our budget as Measure C money spent on this and cannabis tax money reserved

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:23:55

Yes, we can and then that's the only reason we didn't get into that at this meeting is because that is what the second workshop is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:24:01

going

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:24:01

to be about. It's looking at the revenues what has been spent and what's available to spend.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:24:06

Because that'll help us to see what we have caught up on And where we are and help us prioritize what we need to do in the future. Exactly,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:24:16

the other thing we're doing that night if I can jump in real quick is that night is the night that will also bring the applications. The applications are currently available right now for the community funding groups so we don't know at this point exactly what's being asked for. We have heard that some groups may be reducing what they're asking for But so, those applications will come back at that second meeting. And so right now just to speak to the comment about you know the way we budget being me making policy which I am very careful with this is not me making policy this is me telling us right now with our current budget what we can afford So it's not me saying we should be giving this group this much, this group this much. It's under these current set of projected budgets, we can afford $104,000.

Now can Council give more if desired? Yes, we would have to make other modifications to do that or vice versa so I just want to speak to that quickly.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:25:22

And I appreciate that response. First of all, you have my complete trust, you and Pam both regarding this. But we will get into more of that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:25:31

Yeah, we'll dig into it next meeting for sure.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:25:33

That's all I have Mayor, thank you.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:25:35

Anything from Sousa or Ryan? Go ahead Ryan. I

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:25:46

have a couple of kind of questions and then that might lead to some comments but on, and I don't know if this is for you James or Pam or whoever but looking at just some What is other tax revenues in that category? What exactly does that make up, because everything else is pretty delineated as far as what the taxes are coming from. But that is a 58% projected increase.

What is the other tax revenues category made up of?

1:26 – 1:3122 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:26:20

I'll let Pam give a little bit of the detail on it.

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:26:23

It's in section one on

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:26:25

the revenues. Yeah number six.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:26:27

That line consists of business license and documentary transfer tax.

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:26:35

okay because it's licenses and permits is a different section below

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:26:40

mm-hmm

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:26:42

so that is that not

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:26:45

Those are community development licenses and permits. So number six is specifically the business license fees, and I know like you said it looks like a jump there at first because the adopted budget last year or for this current year was $275,000. But if you look the line over, what we're projected to end the year at is $413,000 probably because we put more of an emphasis on collecting the business license costs this year.

And so next year it looks like a big jump but we're just showing a $20,000 increase to 435,000 from- Okay, so

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:27:26

it's business licenses but it's not due to an increase of new businesses but more likely just a better job of collecting businesses already exist?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:27:33

Yeah,

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:27:34

yeah exactly. All right, thank you on that one. And then my next one was plan check fees and in the next section is jumping up 150%. What accounts for such a large increase in the plan check fees?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:27:46

Yeah, and this is like the hard part is that we it's $114,000 jump from what we budgeted last year. But the reason why we're expecting that big jump is because again the next column is our what we actually got last year and the actual plan check fees came in much higher than we budgeted So we had budgeted $76,000 in revenue for the current when I say last year. I mean the current year we're in. Yeah, I understand it increased to one are what we're actually ending up at is about 170. So then again we show a slight increase to 190 but it looks like a big jump compared to the original 76,000.

But I think on all the planning fees, what I think in a nutshell like an easy summary that happened with planning fees is we thought planning fees last year were going to drop at some point and planning activity has just taken off and hasn't slowed down. And we kept thinking it was going to slow down and it hasn't. So it stayed pretty much in line with its historical norm. And so this year we're, we kind of kept waiting for it to drop and it never did. So this year we're going back to the historical

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:29:01

norm. We under projected last year when you think it's gonna go back up based on the numbers that we got last year?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:29:07

Exactly, exactly.

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:29:08

You know, you could say that when you look at where I saw the numbers on the right, I just wondered what, I mean there's still another 20% increase after that. And I wanted to see if there, I just didn't know if there was something Inside of that projection other than just looking at where we were last year and our best guesstimate.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:29:24

Yeah, and looking at the activity with planning fees we always look at like the projects we know that are coming up. We know that The Playhouse is coming, The Roblar's coming. We talk to the Inn every year about what they're planning to do so there's some of that built into it too but it's funny we were talking about this that when we budgeted...we first prepared the budget last year in April and April of 21 is so different from now even though we're talking about the same fiscal year And so at that point, we had thought that the closures were really going to keep impacting things. And obviously now thankfully we were wrong about that. So hopefully that trend continues. All

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:30:02

right and then going down to expenditures I understand 20% health insurance now is that? But then I also see 77% in workman's comp. Is that from adding employees or is that because that's a significant job? Workman's comp was usually Changed that much year over

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:30:20

year. Yeah, we got notice from our most of our insurance is through California Joint Powers Insurance CJPIA. We're self-insured with a lot of other smaller cities in that CJPIA and they every year give us their estimate of costs and their estimates this year are that insurance costs are going up for everybody pretty substantially. I was actually pretty surprised at the first time they sent us the first estimate but Pretty much across the board, we called it out when we were talking about the big increases. Almost all insurance costs and this is not health insurance I'm talking about but all the insurances we get through CJPIA which is like property insurance, crime protection, workers comp you know all those things that we kind of coordinate with through our CJPIA.

All of those insurance costs are shooting up so

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:31:13

Yeah, that goes my next question is the 53 and a half percent increase down in the next section. We have all those other insurances broken out this has one insurance and 53.5%. I was wondering what What makes up that increase? Is that JPI stuff or is it something else?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:31:28

Yeah, that's the bulk of the CJPIA. Just all the premiums we pay are going up and so they're all under kind of that umbrella. So when we pay, you know, CJPIA and they send us a invoice and it'll say like property crime up 10%, this thing up 5%. But when we looked at it, one of the biggest increases was just across the board I think it ended up being like you said 50% year over year.

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:31:55

Okay,

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:31:56

thanks. Suze any comments?

1:32 – 1:417 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:32:03

No thank you for asking no

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:32:04

okay well it sounds as if we're moving towards consensus and we're in deep gratitude to once again Pam and James for Getting us out of there. And I love the phrase, cautiously optimistic as we restore our core services. So just to remember that it's not a blank check and that we are paying off our debts and reserves and finally completing the staffing vacancies and the retirement.

And for motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:32:39

Move, receive, and file. Second.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:32:42

Okay, roll call please Gail.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 Move, receive, and file. Second. Okay, roll call
Show transcript
Council Member Weirich? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Yes. Mayor Stixx? Yes Council Member Francina? Yes Council Member Blatz? Yes

okay great thank you all right let's move on to number three gas-powered landscape equipment prohibition review and update after two years of enforcement Take it away, James.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:33:12

Thank you. So we had talked a couple times at council about doing a review of our gas-powered landscape equipment prohibition and potentially looking at modifications we can make to the ordinance to make it either stronger or to potentially add some items to the list of items prohibited. So this report is intended to allow for that discussion. As the report notes, about two years ago, January 28th 2020, the City Council adopted an ordinance that prohibited hedge trimmers, lawn edgers, leaf blowers, non-riding lawn mowers, pole hedge trimmers, pole saws and string trimmers that were internal combustion engines so we required all of those items to be electric At that time, we had looked at several items and we had recommended those because the electric alternatives were readily available and comparable.

And so that ordinance was adopted again two years ago. We held our demolition event out here on the lawn where we demolished a bunch of the items and invited state officials to learn about the prohibition We believe that that action led to the state of California adopting a similar prohibition that is coming up through AB 1346, which is going to be implemented across the state by the start of 2024. Although they say if feasible so that one's not for certain yet but But so that's important to note because A, I think it speaks to some of our items where we talk about although making a small impact in the city leading to bigger change and two because the state is going to start adopting similar regulations.

Eventually, we always talk about these items impacting Ojai kind of unfairly or maybe Ojai having to have a higher standard than even just the unincorporated area right outside of town. But I think in the state these items are going to be coming across the board here in the next couple of years. So these prohibitions have been in effect for two years. We've been doing code enforcement of these violations, we have issued 138 citations to date for people that are using the types of equipment that are prohibited We definitely saw more citations early on and we're seeing less citations now.

For example, in the last three months we've only issued four citations even though we've still continued to have regular canvassing of the community. I think that, I believe that means that people have started to convert over to electric and there is less people using it. Because when we stop and a lot of times right now when we get calls about people using the big packs and people thinking they're gas and we get out there and we find out that they are the new electric with the battery pack on them so So we're seeing pretty good compliance, which doesn't mean we catch everyone because I know that will be a comment that we hear a lot is well I know there's somebody in my neighborhood that uses it and takes it out at certain points.

And so I think we've made good progress. There's still some work to do. I think for our message to residents would be keep using the My Ojai app or The phone number to call in those issues when you see them, but we have been citing aggressively with the 138 citations. We've also been finding on the first offense for the last year so we have not been giving warnings for the last year.

And so one point we wanted to reiterate was we looked at the data for these citations and only three have been issued to repeat offenders. I think one of the narratives is that people will say, well it's only a $50 citation so when you give them a citation they're probably not going to get into compliance. But what we're seeing is when we canvas neighborhoods and we catch someone, we issue a citation. We haven't seen more than three people actually get a second citation and we do think that shows that people are converting over.

I didn't mention in the report, but we did for a brief period. I think it was about six months. We had told people when they got a citation that if they came into City Hall and showed that they had bought electric equipment that we would waive the citation to encourage them to get the electric equipment. So we did have several people take up that offer as well so I do think people went out and started converting over to the electric equipment But so that's kind of the report on citation.

I think one of the key questions recently, we were asked if there were any items that seemed like there was a good electric comparable item that we could add to that list of prohibited items. We looked at the chainsaws. Our public works department has already converted to battery-operated chainsaws for what they call a 16 inch bar, which is adequate for smaller limbs less than 10 inches.

The chainsaws run for 10 minutes on heavy duty usage and between 30 to 40 minutes for lighter usage. And so those work and I think those could be added but we do want to note that for major tree removals, for example the tree about six months ago that fell across Creek Road when we had to get that tree removed to reopen the road as quickly as possible. That was an example where we did have to go to the heavier duty gas powered chainsaw So we don't recommend prohibiting all gas-powered chainsaws at this point, but what we recommend that the Council consider is limiting the smaller chainsaw's 16 inch bar less to battery operated and then allowing either an emergency usage for the gas powered or a size based usage.

We haven't drafted the ordinance because we're here today to get the direction from Council whether to do that. So, that's something we can iron out as we draft the ordinance. We talked a little bit about potentially increasing the penalty or holding additional parties responsible and we could do those things but again looking at the data we don't see A lot of repeat offenses so we don't think that it's not that the penalty is not working.

I think my thought right now is if somebody seeing a neighbor who pulls out a lawnmower at you know seven o'clock Wednesday night when no one's around, it's that we haven't caught them yet and so reporting those things is probably the best action I don't think, I don't see the need at this time to increase the penalty or hold additional parties responsible but that would be an option for the City Council to consider and you know maybe people are hearing differently from people who are seeing those things.

So anyway, at this point like I said we were giving the report back and the statistics and then the recommendation on the battery operated chainsaw. And so the council can identify whether to make any changes to the existing ordinance or not at this time. So I'm happy to answer any questions.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:41:15

Thank you James. Any questions from Council?

1:41 – 1:4817 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:41:21

Suzy have a question? So my question, James. Did you have a chance to read Sherry and Kate's letter that she submitted as a public comment in which she is fair? You know, she's been observing this for years and she feels that that we like other people that they're That there are so many repeat offenders who just keep using the gas powered leaf blowers and and Conan, and she states that no matter how much he reports it to the city nothing is done.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:42:03

Yeah, and I did read that but I will note. And I don't know if this was a typo but she said that it was electric powered. And so if it's electric powered, you know, and I think there is confusion I think some people think we banned electric powered chain leaf blowers, for example. So she's I think in her comment, she's talking about an electric powered leaf blower. But if you report an electric powered leaf blower, those aren't prohibited so there wouldn't be any noticeable action at this point.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:42:36

Well, I don't know if an electric leaflet that must be a typo because she says it emits ear piercing noise for hours every Monday morning right across the street.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:42:48

Yeah, we do still get some complaints about the noise from electric leaf blowers which obviously is not pleasant but it is much more reduced than the gas versions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:43:00

So, I don't know if I need to bring this up later but This is a question is, you know about this leaf blower hotline that just rings and rings. And anyway, you have the letter and I hope that the issue she brings up that we can resolve them. That's right. I guess that's all I should say right now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:43:27

Yeah, I'd be happy to follow up with them. We do get on occasion complaints about electric items but there is no prohibition on electric items.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:43:38

No, but she's saying that the leaf blower hotline doesn't work.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:43:45

Yeah we tested that today when we got that and it did work for us so we'll have to have somebody follow-up with her to see what's going on.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:43:53

Okay thank you. Question Randy?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:43:56

Yeah, we have a prohibition on work on Saturday in Ojai. How does a gardener and how does a tree trimmer fit into that prohibition?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:44:07

You know, I meant to double check that before the meeting and I didn't. But I do believe that the standards captures it.

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction1:44:16

The noise ordinance prohibits construction work on weekends or city holidays but maintenance that's not construction which is defined as erecting constructing demolishing excavating altering repairing a building or structure so Gardner worker landscaping work that's not construction wouldn't be subject to that prohibition. There are though limits for, at least for electric leaf blowers there's hours limits that vary slightly by zone, residential or non-residential.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:44:49

Can we? Inform our code enforcement on that Yes, and so what that Okay, so I'll save the rest of it when we come back about tree trimmers on Saturdays

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:45:11

Thank You Randy any other questions? Okay. Let's any public comment on this item Gail

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:45:19

No, nobody here. Do you want me to check with zoom? Okay If anyone in the zoom queue would like to comment on this item Please use the raised hand function now and we've got one person And it's Jay Simmons Mr. Simmons if you're there, please go ahead and speak if you're muted, please and there you go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:45:40

It's actually Simon's but that's okay I wanted to address this. I read the staff report, and I do certainly appreciate the progress that has been made on this issue for sure. But I have used the MIOHA app and reported three different examples of a gas-powered unit being used, a leaf blower being used. And the code enforcement went out, talked to the well, if they saw something They talk with them or left something with the owner. Unfortunately, in each of those cases they are still using a gas powered leaf blower and what they also have a little different strategy now where they will be using the gas power you'll go up to them. They'll see that you're observing that they're using a gas bar so they'll shut that down and go and get a electric one at least a couple cases they've actually grabbed it.

So they've scoped out what the problem is, and I'm really quite happy to see the code enforcement part of the new budget that stuff going on because this is certainly something that takes a concerted effort to really address. Again, they figured out how to do it and they're just going around it. So this is happening you know we walk up through the Del Oro neighborhood there are gas power leaf blowers going up there but at some point I get tired of pulling out my app and reporting all that stuff but anyway I wanted to let you know that there are still problems there. This definitely still needs to be a high priority for Enforcement stuff. And I did call the hotline unit the other day on one of these situations and it just rang, and no one picked up.

Again, on another one after that didn't work, I called the code enforcement section and got in an answer machine and just left a long message Karen Hollweg, OSBT-Karen Hollweg, OSBT a tightening up of who's responsible. I think it was Council Member Haney at a meeting probably a couple years ago that said something like, well why aren't we addressing this with the owners? And I totally agree with that. I think if we can tighten up the language just to make it very obvious that the owner would be responsible as well as the operator, I think that would be excellent. Thank you for your time.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:48:35

Thank you, Jay. Any other comments, Gail?

1:48 – 1:559 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:48:42

If there's anyone else in the Zoom meeting in the Zoom queue who'd like to speak go ahead and raise your hand now. No one else.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:48:50

All right, let's move on to discussion please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:48:53

Can I provide one piece of information? So there was actually a good reminder because it is something in the budget that we kind of glossed over but we did add a part-time code enforcement person to answer the phone and follow up on these code issues about three months ago And so in the budget, we proposed keeping that for a full year. And so I'm mentioning it just because the budget was on the agenda today, that when we come back, we do propose adding that position next year because we were seeing so many calls and so many complaints. So I just want to speak to that issue.

That's proposed in the budget as presented today.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:49:42

Thank you. All right. Discussion? Randy and then Sousa.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:49:53

So my first thought is that we started out this program with it being informative. Let's ask our gardeners, let's ask our homeowners to be good citizens and that was one of the reasons we set our fees so low. I would propose right off the top that we double the fees. We've had two years of this. I think it's about time To me, I know if you want to modify someone's behavior. You generally have to affect their pocketbook So that's just my belief only but so I would like to see us when you come back to bring that the second thing is when we cite a gardener honest on a on a someone's property. It seems to be the policy right now is that we cite them and do we leave a warning or something saying you're responsible for your gardeners activities on your property?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:50:50

Right now, we leave a notice for the homeowner that says somebody was on your property using gas equipment. Here's information on the prohibition and why it's important.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:51:02

So I think included in that we might let them know what their gardener is being cited for and what it's going to cost that individual because if we move this up to $100 or 200s That's almost gonna be half of what they pay a gardening service In the community, it's usually right around I'm gonna say most gardeners right now are getting between 25 and 35 dollars an hour per man So if they're coming every week you can do the math. Most of them are coming every other week because of that but but I know these fees cuz I'm a I'm associated with with with these guys and I and I see him a lot so I think that's important This work on Saturday, obviously we're not going to curtail that.

But how do we curtail a chainsaw from firing up at 7 o'clock in the morning and still running at seven o'clock at night on Saturday? Sunday I'm gonna believe most of the time that it's a homeowner who's doing something on their property But on Saturday, it's going to be a service. So maybe... I'm not sure how to do this so I'm gonna throw it out. Maybe what we do is require some type of a permit for Saturday tree service operations And along with that permit, we actually make them identify what they're doing.

What type of tree they're pruning or working on? One it would help us as far as identifying the maintenance and the care of our city trees whether they're private or not. The second thing it does, it also tells us what size of tree it is and what's the diameter of the branches that they're going to be pruning. Which would in turn help us to identify can they use a 16-inch electric chainsaw or do they need a 24 inch or greater? So I'm trying to treat this where we help ourselves and we're not punitive but on the same token We make individuals aware in that business, that they're disrupting the community.

And so we're trying to work with them again versus it being punitive but those are my thoughts on it right now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:53:21

Sousa? Oh I agree with Council Member Haney's comments of the leaf blowers tightening things up But I would like to figure out some way to have language for the owner is held. Shares in the responsibility and also shares in the fine because most of these workers are simply trying to do what the owner asks them. And, and the owner often has you know the real problem is that we have this unrealistic expectation that we can keep our outdoors leaf free which you know puts the gardener in a terrible position This horrible equipment, in my opinion.

I recognize that it has its place on large parking lots but I'm sure that I'm not the only person who's sick and tired of driving and riding and walking through clouds of dust as they clean the sidewalk. So for sure we need to Crack down after two years, like Randy said and increase the fines. But I would like if the owner can also be you know, if the language in the ordinance makes the owner responsible so that and then if I don't know if the city attorney wants to weigh in, but can the owner also be held held Have the owner has to help pay the fees and especially we have these absentee homeowners who may be completely unaware. And, you know somehow we have to make them aware that they are also responsible if their gardeners are using gas powered leaf blowers and other equipment that is banned.

That's my comment.

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction1:55:29

Mayor, happy to answer the question there. So the existing ordinance does allow citations of property owners. Our recommendation is that the council wants to expand that, that we would adjust the ordinance to make it crystal clear that property owners can be cited and we could look at as an enforcement measure whether it's a citation issued two citations to the operator and the homeowner or whether it's two citations issued 50-50 or one citation jointly responsible but all of those are within the option set

1:56 – 2:038 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:56:03

I'd like to concur with the suggestions made by my two colleagues so far for a text amendment and would add to it that I would like to see a text amendment that comes back to council include the adding to the prohibition lists less than 16 inch chainsaw bars.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:56:22

Ryan you're good? I was just going to say

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:56:28

that I think we're missing something really

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role1:56:30

important

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction1:56:31

with all this. Well, it may not be 100% compliance all the time. We've had substantial significant compliance in our community regarding this and I want to start on the positive because I see electric equipment all the time now much more frequently than I see gas powered stuff. It's not perfect, but I want to thank our community for responding so well. This was not an easy sell to everyone it was a hot button issue for a number of years before it was finally passed and I think people are starting to realize especially the understanding um and working on the air pollution control district board where we're really trying to get the information out because it's hard for people to conceptualize that equipment that is so small and used so infrequently compared to like a vehicle that you drive in has so much more pollution coming out of it.

And I think people are finally starting to grasp that, but I also think that a lot of the people who aren't following it aren't doing it snubbing their nose at us and saying, you know, I don't care about these things, that it's a lack of education and a lack of understanding. And Based on the data we have, it doesn't make sense to necessarily increase the fine. That may help prohibit some of these activities but as James said we're not seeing a lot of repeat offenders I would much rather have a low first fine and an opportunity to fix it by getting the electric equipment and not having any fine, and then having a second fine that goes up significantly if we need to. I think at first level should be you know uh hey let's make sure you're getting compliant with this because there's just a lot of people i don't think who know this is a rule.

The other thing is again we have the highest percentage of renters of any community in any city in all the county and it's difficult because i know there's a lot of Gardeners who are at homes where there's renters and those renters may not even be there when the gardeners are there. So I don't know if, you know that finding the property owners who may turn around and punish the tenants for that necessarily works. I do think we need to get a higher level of compliance but if we're not buttoned up on our hotline and our enforcement when people are giving us the information then I don't know if it's if increasing enforcement or penalties or these other ideas are the right way. If we're not getting the part done that we can control done correctly because I know a lot of people who are very passionate about this they've gone out and they've changed their equipment and when they see someone else they've reported it but what we're hearing is that that's not necessarily circling back through the city the right way and we're not getting it taken care of so I don't know that just increasing the fines would actually have any impact at all.

I do agree with a second fine being much more increased if need be, punishment will actually deter the crime itself, if you will. Because a lot of the time that's not the way it works but on this I think we have to do a better job educationally as well. I know we put out stuff and we do the same thing we always do as a city but i know that doesn't get to everybody. It's not something that lands all over the place. I'd much rather have a continuing where we're at or something similar and really working harder especially now that we have a public information officer at the City for the first time really working harder to get that information out uh even more extensively um and I know you know we say we put it on the tv not everybody you know and we saw with the cable numbers there's just not as many people who are seeing that kind of stuff on the reoccurring channels and things like that so you know i think our community deserves some credit for doing a really really good job so far of having a really high level of compliance before we just start Point the finger, but I also don't know that we've gotten our own enforcement side buttoned up where we should just be increasing it because we're saying it doesn't work.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:00:41

Thank you, Ryan. And and so what I'm hearing is that we're all happy about the progress and that my question, James, would it be? And those are good points, Ryan and Randy and Bill and Susan. Would it be possible to tighten up the app in the hotline and then give a certain time frame

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:01:05

Yeah, and I was just thinking again not to tie everything back to the budget but last year we had increased our code enforcement from, I think it was $75,000 a year which gave us like three days a week. We did it to $125,000 dollars a year which gave us five days a week One of the points is if somebody calls on one of the two days a week that the code person's not here, this is the result.

And so I think one thing I'm getting the sense from everybody is that when we do our Measure C budget which is where we were funding that work, that we will include funding to have more hours of code service Which we were gonna recommend, but I think I'm hearing that there's more of a need for it So so I think we can we can do that as part of the budget include the budget or the funding to have the code people here more hours and then Like I said a couple minutes ago We have a part-time person that is trying to or that is assigned to answer the hotline phone and those types of things So we'll make sure we include funding for those two categories in the budget. So I think those will help address those concerns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:02:18

So Mayor, I agree with what you said. I actually agree with Ryan with what you're saying too is sometimes we can be... It sounds good in the moment and then that's why you deliberate because then you have an opportunity to reflect and listen to other people's perspectives so thank you Yeah, I don't necessarily think we have to go out completely at this in a punitive manner. Maybe Ryan's right maybe on the second offenses when you actually really increase the fine. I still think that when a homeowner, when Gardner is cited that the homeowner needs to know and I think we need to really make sure that that's part of that enforcement package I would like to see some type of a work permit for tree trimming on Saturdays.

Just so that we can acknowledge how we're maintaining and actually are we using the proper equipment to do the maintenance on these trees, along with removal. So I'd like to see that brought back. I think Chainsaw is still something that we need to work on.

2:03 – 2:0910 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:03:46

Yeah, how about with my colleagues on the council consider this that I mean, I agree that we don't. The purpose of the fine is not to be punitive. We want compliance. So what about if we have the fine? But the fight but the fight is waived if they purchase their electric equipment. I mean, the fine itself Could be, what's the word? Either refunded or waived. The thing about if you don't do it the first time and then the second time you do the fine, you have all this time when they didn't comply. Am I making that clear with my hoarse voice You know that we just, you know there's a period where we're going to let them know that we want to get everybody in compliance. We thank everybody that is in compliance but the ones that aren't, we have to get the message across that they're the gardeners, the gardening company, the homeowner They're all going to get a fine unless they get this equipment.

They're going to get fined and then but if they get the equipment, then we waive the fine. You know, we can give them X amount of time. You know, we don't collect the fine immediately anyway. We get it. They get a piece of paper that says that if they if they if they get the right equipment, then we waive the fines and they have to show If you come in the city hall and, and show that they've done this as an alternative to waiting for this. What's the second offense?

It's just a thought. So Ryan.

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction2:05:45

Thank you. I think since I think James said that that's what they were doing games is that the policy across the board or is that only from time to time or How's that being implemented on as far as if they, you know, get equipment show your receipt and then the fine goes away or.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:06:00

Yeah so what we did was the first six months that we first implemented this. It was first six months were warnings. And if everybody remembers it was because we implemented it and then coven hit and we decided, you know, we couldn't force people to. Go to stores right when all that sort of happened. And so the first six months we ended up doing a notice, or a warning I guess is what it would be called. Then the second six months we did the fine but if they brought in the purchased electronic equipment we reimbursed the fine or we waived the fine.

But the last year since that time, it's just been the fine. So we haven't done that waiver program since that time. Do

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction2:06:47

you know a percentage of how many people were compliant after the first line came in?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:06:54

Very high. It would be in the 90s, the 90%.

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction2:07:01

Okay, well I mean I'd be in favor of it even if we want to raise the fine to 100 by keeping that program in place. I mean that's a clear incentive. I absolutely agree with informing the property owner. I don't necessarily know if we fined the property owner but I really think if there's an incentive to say hey this fine will go away if you can produce the receipt for the equipment That makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. I mean, that's both the carrot and the stick. That is a really sound policy on how to do it. Also if it's a non-day that we have enforcement around and someone shoots us at the app, I mean, if they send us a picture, do we still enforce it or is it strictly they got to go out and catch them red

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:07:43

handed? So there's a couple things we do. One is that we have our kind of standard code person, we do have a staff person who is able to respond if available because they have other duties so on the days that the code person is not available somebody submits a complaint and that person is available we'll send them out but nobody's around and there's

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction2:08:07

a picture and they still enforce it based on the picture?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:08:10

We haven't cited on just the picture to this point

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction2:08:13

But they do have to catch them in the act. Yeah, yeah. That's always that's always difficult. I just want one last thing real quick. Randy, I don't disagree with you on the Saturday thing. I don't know if it's in the scope of this agenda item to talk about Saturday permitting for tree trimming. I don' think really fits in the gas power situation but I would like to hear a little bit more about how frequently that's happening or what's going on before we Just make a rule. I know that you're not allowed to do construction on Saturdays. I know that, I think it's eight o'clock for, and I have a neighbor who, I mean, it's like their day that the gardeners there, it's like seven 59 every week when they're firing stuff up or whatever that timeline is.

But I would like to kind of, if we're going to look at that, let's look at a few of those other things. I don't know if there's a lot of changes that need to be made, but I'd rather look at it as a whole with the timing and some of the other stuff, if we're gonna bring that back as maybe a separate agenda item.

2:09 – 2:1917 turns

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction2:09:08

I mean it's all in the same ordinance. The prohibitions are all in the ordinance we're talking about that was adopted and modified with uh ordinance 906, but certainly if the council wants to have a more full discussion with staff bringing back some thoughts then that would be it would be reasonable.

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction2:09:23

Well definitely not against talking about it but the timing during the week and the frequency or if we get reports of this I mean I just would like a little bit more I don't you know Randy I don't want Undercut trying to do something if you wanted to get something done tonight, but I do think I'd like a little more info on that because there might be something more important in there to maybe Small but larger

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:09:47

discussion

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:09:49

Thanks, right Randy

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:09:51

I think that was part of the direction was for staff to actually review that See what the complaints are regarding actual tree trimming versus noise things of that nature. I'm sure you're right Ryan We need a lot more information The you know getting back to homeowners. That's interesting if you're a renter and And your homeowner and the homeowner who is renting to you should be the person who is accountable regarding the gardening service unless That's not part of your homeowner's agreement, and now you as the renter are taking that upon yourself. So I'm just saying that notification needs to go to that address.

If I'm renting and the person I'm renting from is accountable for the gardening, I'm going to pass that notice on to him because I don't want to be fined." And I think that's just important is that we don't create a little gray area that, well, I'm just running so it's not my responsibility. It's someone's responsibility to let the person who is responsible know what's going on. So...

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:10:58

Okay. Yeah, good point Randy. Sousa?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:11:01

Yeah, so the language should state that whoever hires the gardener is responsible whether it's a homeowner or the renter. But I have another question, James. Why is it if someone takes a photograph? A very clear photograph shows the gardener's face and it shows the gas powered leaf blower in action. Why isn't that good enough?

CommentWendy LarnerProposed · by introduction2:11:24

The reason is because if the matter is litigated, it goes to court and a court can't accept, or is unlikely to accept a photograph as proof alone. We trust our residents and we go out based on that statement from the resident and look at what's happening with the situation. A court is unlikely to enforce it solely based on a photograph with nothing else so that's why we go out and get the information regarding what else we can find to back up the photograph.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:11:52

Okay, so that's not good enough to levy a fine. Okay thank you I thought it would be something like that but i think it's good for residents to hear that from our city attorney. Thank you.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:12:06

Well it sounds as if we're heading towards consensus and um you know thank you 90 percent compliance is amazing so that'a great start

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:12:16

Undercut my own argument, but it's 90% of the people we've caught I won't argue with people when people's people I get calls occasionally people say my neighbor does it and he knows He he's timing it for when you aren't there. And that may be true We try to mix up hours to try to catch them But you know, we probably aren't catching everybody but I think it's been good compliance overall

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:12:36

and making homeowners responsible So ready for a motion

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:12:42

I have no idea. Let me try something general you know like even appealing maybe to a little common sense here could could a very general motion be that staff come back is authorized to spend some time coming back with text amendment options and further research information as expressed in our deliberations tonight

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:13:07

yeah and what about the chainsaws

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:13:09

Well I'm including that one. I would like to see the 16-inch or less than 16 inch be a text amendment prepared to prohibit those and for us to consider.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:13:18

Okay great, second? Okay great roll call please Gail.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0
Show transcript
Councilmember Francina? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Yes Mayor Stixx? Yes Council Member Weyrich? Yes Council Member Blatz? Yes

Okay, great. Wonderful. All right let's take a five minute break and we will come back with number four. Thank you. OK we're back. Let's move on to number four public feedback summary in response to proposed permanent electronic emergency message board at Rotary Park and thanks to James and staff for doing such a great job collecting data and getting feedback.

2:19 – 2:2515 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:19:25

Thank you, and we have just a couple slides with some of that data. And some of that data's in the packet. We received a lot of data. I guess I'll start by saying that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:19:37

About 1,500 visits,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:19:39

huh? Yeah, so for this item, yeah, a couple months back, we came to council, and I don't know why my slide disappeared. Here we go. Okay my All right, I might just I'll do it without the slides yeah, let me see I'll do it without the slides. We had some slides with some images, but it's not working, so... But the data is all in the report. A couple months back we presented a proposal for a permanent electronic message board at Rotary Park at the Y.

And we had talked about, we had drafted a policy where that could be used to put out certain types of information including emergency messaging but also some other information about community events and things. The City Council asked us to do some outreach to get feedback from the community on that proposal So we did outreach, which included social media postings and some other items. But most notably it included the big demonstration board down at the Y where we asked people to go online and take our survey.

So we had a webpage created for people to go online and take the survey. That webpage had 1,537 visits in I believe it was three weeks is how long we had it open. So 1,500 visits, 731 people roughly half actually completed the survey so that actually took the time to do the survey And out of the survey participants, 571 opposed the permanent electronic emergency message board.

35 people supported the board and 269 said that they would not support a permanent board but they would support a portable trailer for emergencies only. Similar to the one that we had on site at various points this year, but again for emergency use only. In addition to that survey, we also engaged on social media. We got comments from the community that some of those comments are included or a lot of those comments are included. I think we have about 12 pages of comments in the packet If

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:22:14

you're

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:22:16

looking for something to do, go ahead and read it. It's interesting. So at this point I think hearing that feedback, hearing the concerns from the community knowing that Council had asked us for that feedback we looked at what we could do that worked with with that feedback So what we are proposing is that the city purchase a new speed monitoring awareness radar trailer that allows for very variable messages to be posted. And, and that portable sign similar to what we have but it's nicer newer one and the one that we have isn't needs repairs and things like that. So this would give us a second sign, it would give the city a second sign.

It would allow the city to pull that out during emergencies and get messaging up quickly and easily. And so we are recommending that the City Council replace on all of our emergency plans, we replace the permanent message board language with the portable message board language and that the council authorize staff to purchase that equipment It is a lower cost. The permanent message boards, I think it was $42,000 for one. The temporary message board that has all the speed monitoring functionality and the message boards functionality with the ability to update that wirelessly is $22,000.

The Measure C budget currently has $8,000 towards the project. So we would have to allocate an additional $14,300. So staff's recommending that the City Council allocate that funding and authorize staff to purchase that signage, the temporary signage. So with that I'm happy to answer any questions.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:24:06

Thank you James. Questions from council? James could you put... thank you. Randy question?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:24:14

James if we bought two of these would we do you think we'd get any type of a discount?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:24:19

Actually, I don't know. We did look at that though it's just the same price times two so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:24:25

and right now we use the police department's sign

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:24:29

So we actually have one as a city and we use the sheriff's department as the second one. And so, um, we, we have that capability right now, but one of the issues at what started this conversation was being able to have one that we could pull out quickly and update wirelessly during an emergency. We don't have that capability yet.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:24:47

The one that we have does not have that capability. So the one week, the one if we moved to purchase would have those capabilities?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:24:54

Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:24:56

So again, would that benefit us at that time to buy two versus and keep the third as a backup? When I think of an emergency, I think of two ends of town. Yeah. I don't think of one end of town. I think of the Y and I think about the Santa Paula route

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:25:15

out. That's a good question. What I would suggest is if we can get authorization for the first Then I will Work with our team and review the second one because it needs some repairs as well So if we're able to get it up to speed We'll do that. If not, then we'll put a consent item on a future agenda to purchase Thank you.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:25:37

Okay any other questions? Okay, we'll move on to public comment

2:25 – 2:3524 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:25:47

If anyone in the Zoom queue would like to comment on this item, please use the raise hand function now. All

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:25:56

right let's move on to discussion. Bill?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:25:59

I was going to cut to the chase thank you the public for expressing so clearly and I'm gonna move that we approve staff recommendations one two and three

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:26:08

okay I'll second that all right a roll call please Gail

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 move that we approve staff recommendations one two and three okay I'll second that all right a roll call
Show transcript
Mayor Sticks? Yes. Council Member Francina? Oh yes. Council Member Weirich? Yes. Council Member Blatz? Yes Mayor Pro Tem Haney? ** Yes,
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:26:34

but we really should have read some of these comments out loud.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:26:37

**

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:26:37

Okay. We're

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:26:37

going to move on to number five. Sarazote... ** I appreciated the clear expression. Come on! ** Sarzotti multipurpose sports courts. Basketball and futsal. So James, you want to take that away?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:26:58

So again, we had a couple slides but it's not cooperating so I'll keep this brief. In 2016 the city updated the Sarasota Park Master Plan and had a master plan update. In that update there were several items identified as priority projects for the park The first item was the picnic area upgrades which has been completed. Oh, that's weird. So somehow the slide is on the screen so I'll take it. Yeah.

Huh? I won't worry about it, and I'll ask James if you're listening to just go back to the regular view. I won't worry about this slide. Thank you. But so the first item was the picnic area upgrades which have been completed. The next project on the list was the multipurpose sports courts for basketball and futsal which is a five-on-five hardtop soccer game And so we had some slides as we showed with some images are also in the packet, but this is project two on the Sarzotti Park master plan. The city had proceeded with development of this project. We had started with the engineering and there was a construction cost estimate of $328,000 The Ojai Civic Association provided a $127,000 grant. And then the city also applied for and in 2021 received a $182,000 grant from the state of California.

And so the remaining gap was expected to be about $25,000 and was included in Measure C funding. However, the point of this report really is to update that this project has been impacted with the supply chain disruption cost increases that everybody it seems like everybody here's about on every topic at this point We have an engineering firm, Stantec, updating the costs right now and their most recent estimate a couple weeks ago was that the cost had increased from $328,000 to $492,000. And so it's pretty frustrating as we worked on getting a $180,000 grant The costs increased $150,000. So we're not much better off than we were a year ago applying for this grant. That wasn't part of what we expected when we were working through that process.

But so at this time, we have $335,000 available between the Civic Association grant, the state grant and the match from the city of $25,000. But we're still $156,000 short of funding the project and so we looked at some options Really there's two options at this point. One would be proceed with the project as soon as possible using Measure C funding to offset the $156,000 deficit. Now we can do that while still applying for grants but we can proceed and get it done so that the costs don't keep increasing which is ultimately what staffs recommending at this point.

And then if we receive grants, we can then pay ourselves back from that if we received grants to do so. The other option at this point is to delay the project and seek additional grant funding but our concern and the reason we're bringing this forward now and this is kind of an extra review that we don't normally do but the concern we have with doing delaying the project to seek additional grants as we think that those costs increases could just keep outpacing the grant funding And so that's an option, but it's likely that the costs will increase. And it's also important to note that the state grant expires in 2024. So we don't have an unlimited timeframe to wait.

So we're bringing this item back. Normally, we wouldn't bring this item back until we were ready to bid it out but we're bringing it back now because if the council supports funding it with Measure C, we will move forward aggressively to bid it out and move forward with construction. If we don't, it'll be delayed until we apply for grants so we're recommending moving forward with the Measure C funding of $159,000 And again, we would still continue to apply for grants and things in the meantime. But knowing that council supports funding that would allow us to move forward.

The last thing I'll mention is that this was on the Parks and Rec Commission's agenda at their most recent meeting last week. We wanted to ask them with a cost increase if this project was still a priority project for the commission? And they did confirm that this is a high-priority project for Sarzotti Park. So, with that we're recommending proceeding and I'm happy to answer any questions.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:32:21

Questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:32:23

Quick question. I've been asking for several years now that we address that bottleneck visual blight dumpster situation at the entrance to the area we're gonna see increased usage of if we go ahead and approve the multi-sport fields. Do we have any cost estimate for dealing with that situation?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:32:45

We do. I'm trying to remember it offhand because if I remember right, we thought it was gonna be a high amount and then it came in much lower but I don't really want to say it off the top of my head in case I'm wrong but I think we thought it was something like 60 grand and I think the estimate actually came in it was closer to like 30 grand So we did, we do have that and it's also in the sea. I believe it's also in Measure C this year but we'll make

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:33:12

sure... It's already in Measure C then? Yes. Then I withdraw my question because yeah I just wanted to point out that that has been a real issue that we get constant complaints about, especially for the use of the ball fields. It's in the list

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:33:30

so I'll withdraw my comment. Yeah and we'll confirm that. We'll make sure to again with the next meeting being Measure C we'll make sure to point that one out for that meeting.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:33:38

Can I get a Clarification, we're talking about the trash can enclosure on the entrance of the southern end of Sarasota Park and We're getting a bid of $30,000 to take that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:33:54

down

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:33:58

To move it. Yeah, so how do you really locate a block wall?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:34:02

It's to demolish the existing one and to put a trash enclosure in elsewhere

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:34:08

Okay. I'll hold my thought, I'll hold my tongue.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:34:16

Thank you. A question, how long do you think James it would take to repay Measure C?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:34:23

So we would start applying for grants immediately. The other thing with this is I think I did put in the report but right this minute there are we don't have there are no grants that we qualify for that can be applied for this so part of it depends on as grants open up will apply for them. So what my hope would be it took us a year to get the one hundred and eighty thousand dollars in funding. So my hope would be that in the next year we identify and obtain another grant four hundred fifty thousand

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:34:52

Great, thank you. Any other questions? Any public comments?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:35:00

If anyone in the Zoom queue would like to comment on this item please use the raise hand function now. Okay let's move on to

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:35:08

discussion.

2:35 – 2:4121 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:35:11

This is a no-brainer for me. You know, this master plan for this facility started when I was chair of Recreation and Parks Commission. And it was Carlin Strobel who was actually, I think it was the rotational mayor at the time. And she was our liaison and we kept talking about this and she said stop talking about it and figure out how to do it. She goes, I'm not going to do it you need to get public buy-in and you need to get the community.

That's exactly what this next commission did is they actually got the master plan built This has been six years in the making. They are methodically working through this plan and I couldn't think of a better gift for children in this facility than having one an outdoor basketball Facility that all could use as well as the foosball So I'm excited about it And I'd be willing to make a motion after everyone's commented

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:36:12

I want to second your motion when you make it.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:36:14

Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:36:15

well I

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:36:15

think we're all on the same page here and what a great exciting and so wonderful thing. Do you want to make a motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:36:22

So the motion would be to proceed with... Yeah, thank you. That was simple, I was looking for bigger words. Now we're just going to read Sarasota multi-purpose basketball and Fousal sports courts but that's fine James yeah let's do

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:36:41

it. Don't we have to say that the motion has to say proceed as soon as possible with SUC funding?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:36:51

I think we can actually have consensus on this because we'll have to bring the bid back. So so I think I see a consent or hear a consensus. So we'll proceed with that plan and then bring the item back when it's ready to bid out.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:37:03

OK. And Sousa seconded. So yeah. So roll call please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:37:10

Mayor Pro Tem Haney.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:37:12

Yes. And at the time I just wanted to, um, um, at the same time here, uh, again, the Ojai Civic Association does so much for this community and again, they're footing the bill for half of this. I just, we got to tip our hat to them and say thank you for making this happen. So that's a yes.

Roll-call vote Passed 3–0 · 1 under review
Show transcript
Council Member Blatz? Yes. Mayor Sticks? Yes! Council Member Weirich? Yes,
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:37:39

and let's not forget the dumpster enclosure situation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:37:43

And Council Member Francina? I want to say yes and I want to add how much my little granddaughters and I enjoy Sarzotti Park where they're oftentimes Twice a week, and sometimes we're the only ones there for what's the word? Inexplicable reasons. And then on the same morning the next week it's just filled with kids all ages and play groups and activities. It's just so wonderful I'm just so glad we have it. So thank you to staff and Civic Association all the people that make Sarasota Park happen. Thank you.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:38:21

Okay, wonderful. All right and we'll move on to our last item number six a request from two council members to consider a donation to the Ojai Community Farmers Market for an Earth Day celebration So we'll turn it over to Susan Bill

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:38:39

We may have somebody in the wings from the Earth Day committee. Let me get my notes out. Bill, do you want to take the lead on this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:38:56

Sure.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:38:58

I mean, the report is pretty straightforward. Do we have to read it? What do we have to do?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:39:11

You want me to proceed, Susan?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:39:13

Yeah. I would just read the letter, I think my voice is so kind of hoarse, you know, the city council members that I think that would explain it, I think attachment A unless you have another way if you want to proceed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:39:33

Yeah, I would just like to summarize that we've traditionally supported Earth Day with general fund money. This is a very modest amount. I really appreciate that we have a structured proposal from Julie Girard that is very clear the kind of thing that we're always looking for. I also especially like the fact that this is going to be very children-oriented Earth Day celebration and in the venue that really works well over there combined with the community-oriented farmers market on Thursday. So I just think it's well worth doing this for the modest amount of $2,600 funded from the reserve fund.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:40:22

I'll add a comment. The emphasis is also on education and her Her letter states we are adding 14 local nonprofit vendors, each of whom will be sharing an earth friendly and informative activity with our community. There will be special activities in our kids corner presented by local teachers, a bicycle valet provided by the Ojai Valley Green Coalition In partnership with Mob Shop, live music speakers and a blessing of our earth in our valley by our local Chumash elder Julie Tumamai. And then of course this is an opportunity for council members to have an audience and we can speak on environmental issues that concern us and climate resiliency and all of that I think, uh, I imagine that Mayor Betsy Sticks will give a speech.

And I think we're all invited to give speeches as far as I know. So can we see if Julie Girard is in the unless other council members have comments and questions? Could we see if Julie Girard is waiting to speak

2:41 – 2:4820 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:41:53

We have two people with their hands raised. One is named Julie, so I'm going to bring her in and at least we have two people. Julie if you are there if you can go ahead and unmute yourself and there you go. You can go ahead and speak.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:42:08

Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Stix and all of the City Council members. I appreciate you taking the time to review our proposal and you are all invited to speak and Mayor Betsy Stix is slated to speak at the event. And I'm happy to answer any questions that you have.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:42:33

Thank you, Julie. Any questions from council? I just want to say thank you Julie for organizing this also to Christophe Wallin and it's going to be a wonderful event. Thank you. All right can we have another public comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:42:51

We have one more speaker who has his hand raised Steve Quillacy. I'll go ahead and bring him in Mr. Quillacy if you're there if you can unmute yourself you can go ahead and speak.

CommentSteve QuillacyProposed2:43:04

Thank you very much Gail and Mayor and council members, I am speaking to encourage you not to spend this money. We had a long, long discussion this evening about where the city is financially, where the reserves are financially, how long it's going to take to recover the city's finances. We just saw the El Roblar Hotel We have a project approved this week, but it's going to be 18 months before any of that TOT money starts to flow into the city's coffers.

And I would recommend that if the school district wishes to have an Earth Day celebration, I'm all for it. I don't think it's necessary for $1,000 for musicians and speakers and $500 for marketing material seems wasteful to me. Thank you for your time.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:44:18

Thank you Steve. All right let's move on to discussion. Ryan?

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction2:44:25

I, and I appreciate Commissioner Quilici's remarks. Um, I do think it's a reasonable amount to spend on this though and I think it's something that is a great idea. And I had a chance to see Chris a few weeks back and let me know what he was looking to do and I just really support this. I really appreciate that they've made the budget so small. Had it been more money than this then we might have had a more significant question but at at what seems a very reasonable amount to add a little bit of flavor to this event, I think is a great idea. And I still do hope at some point we combine some of the other events that are going on right around that same time into more of an Earth Day event and I got the chance to talk to Chris about that but I think it's gonna be a great event and I'm proud we're throwing a little bit of money at it.

As respectful as I am to the budget, I don't think it' an unreasonable amount for something like this.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:45:23

I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:45:26

again going to cut to the chase and move that we approve the $2,600 to support the Ojai community farmers market effort at Earth Day celebration.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:45:39

Okay, I just want to add one item you know as we as we move forward and we're getting a little more Have more of a procedure in terms of the application. So the application for next year for 2023 will be April 22nd, correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:45:54

Yes, so applications for community funding which is where this would typically be considered are open actually open Friday and are open till the 22nd for next year. So I would say if anybody if anybody is interested in doing something similar next year get your application in ASAP.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:46:15

Okay thank you all right we have a motion and a second can we have a roll call please Gail?

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion and a second can we have a roll call
Show transcript
Councilmember Blatz yes Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Yes. Council Member Weyrich? Yes. Mayor Stixx? Yes, Council Member Francina? Yes

Great

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:46:36

all right we will move on to

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:46:37

council members reports

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:46:44

Very quickly tomorrow morning they're having a In my capacity as a commissioner with the Ventura County Transportation Commission, they're having a visioning session down at the Ventura County Museum for hours. I think from nine to two or something like that and there are a lot of interesting broad ranging discussions going on along the lines of the sustainability discussions that we've had so it's gonna be, I'll report back with more specifics of what happens at that workshop.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:47:12

Thank you anything else? All right, we will move on to cement. Oh I'm sorry Ryan go ahead

PresenterSusan BillProposed · by introduction2:47:19

and I don't know what else to bring it up but I heard there was a. Because it's not really a future agenda item, but I want to bring it up because I found out about it during the meeting. But I heard that there was a car flipped over on the ATP today and I was hoping we could get more information about what happened and I have no idea if the ATP was related. I just know it was in the area in front of Nordhoff and I have no idea more than that. It looked like the gentleman who I saw in the picture was okay.

I don't know if we have any more information at this point, but I would definitely like to know as much as we can in case there's anything that we need to consider incorporated into the project.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:48:01

So I haven't heard, but Sgt. Cadman, have you heard anything about this or the cause?

CommentStewart CanyonProposed · by introduction2:48:08

This accident happened later in the afternoon. And I also heard over the radio about the traffic accident. I don't know the cause of it, I don't know if there's any injuries to the driver yet but I can find that information out and get it to you tomorrow morning. But yeah...

2:48 – 2:5324 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:48:37

Basically that's a report from the Ohio Valley News to check their website with more

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:48:40

information.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:48:42

There's no mic there, so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:48:44

yeah. Okay well so we'll get an update out as soon as we have information on what the cause is and if anything needs to happen we'll make sure to include it on the next agenda.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:48:53

Thank you all right let's move on to City Manager's Report

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:48:56

On the Next week are for city managers report. I just will note that the next agenda right now the current

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:49:21

Items scheduled, we had a request from the Arts Commission to have the presentation be focused on the public art tour. And so that is something that we're planning for the next meeting as far as presentations go. For discussion items, Chief Rivera will give the yearly crime stats report. And then we'll have the second budget workshop focused on CIP and we're working right now to try to bring the paving report at the same time. We're in progress so I'm not sure if that will happen for sure yet but if so those will be the big items on the next agenda,

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:49:59

so. Thank you. Quick question for the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:50:02

city manager when it's appropriate. You mentioned the insurance rates And I'm interested, you know, you mentioned that one of the things that the GPIA was reporting was loss from property crimes. Of which we very have little and the point I'm trying to make is how large is the actuarial calculation district that we're part of? Does that include all of Southern California, just Ventura County?

How granular is that because obviously that's what's going to dictate The actuarial experience is going to dictate the change in insurance rates. I'm just kind of curious a little bit of knowledge of how JPIA breaks that down by actuarial experience for adjusting those risk based insurance rates.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:50:52

Yeah we could bring some information on that at either the second or the third budget workshop. We get a We get like the you know the cover sheet that says here's your rates, here's what they're going to be and here's you know a brief explanation why. And then they do send several pages of supporting information so I didn't dig into it but we can take a look at that and kind of figure out what they're basing that on. But they did say their general report was that every agency there that they have is gonna have increased insurance costs this year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:51:24

Just to add to that, as a small business owner I belong to an association of landscape contractors and it's interesting how our rates have always gone up and down. And a lot of it is based on what Bill just said about the actuaries. Larger cities have larger concerns but if you're bundled with them you're just part of it. You're just a part of that number and that's the sad part about insurances.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:51:50

Any future agenda items?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:51:54

I had one more question for the city manager. You're gonna bring back paving but that's part of the CIP?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:52:00

Yes so we're trying to bring them both back at the same time with the idea being the CIP is the budget and then paving would be what we're actually gonna pave this year that's well that's the part we're working to try to bring

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:52:12

back.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:52:13

So it'll be part of it, it'll be part of the discussion either way but the question is how detailed we're gonna be able to get we're trying to work on being able to get into the detail

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:52:23

I have a question. Go ahead, Susan. James do you have any idea when we're going to report give the council an update from the parking committee?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:52:36

That's a good question. So we have the budget committee had a couple of things we are working on on follow up and I think that by maybe mid May we'd have we'd have gotten the answers or the next steps on those so we could probably do a parking committee update on the second meeting in May. So if I think that's when we would schedule that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:53:01

I just think it's also important for the public to know that we, we have a parking committee working on parking issues.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:53:08

Yeah, well, we'll pencil that in right now for the second meeting and me.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:53:12

It's a great committee we're making some really good progress.

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:53:17

Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:53:17

you

ElectedBetsy StixMayorProposed · by role2:53:19

Any future agenda items. No, okay well thank you all for a productive and peaceful meeting and much gratitude to everyone here for Participation so we're adjourned