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MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 May 10, 2022

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Scheduled start 6:00 PM · clock-time estimates pending review

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction0:07

Good evening. We have a quorum, may we have the roll call please Gail?

Roll call — called by Andy Gilman · 1 under review
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Mayor Stix? Here. Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Here. Council Member Blatz? Council Member Franzina? Here. Council Member Wyrick? Here!

Thank you Gail and welcome to the May 10th 2022 meeting of the Ojai City Council. Bill will you please say the pledge?

Pledge of Allegianceceremonial · click to expand
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:34

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction0:50

Thank you.

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction0:50

And approval of the agenda?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed0:53

Move to approve. I'll second.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction0:55

Okay roll call

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:05

You fooled me there for a second. Are we here or are we yes? We're here! I'm here.

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction1:11

And Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Okay. Yes. Okay. Mayor Stixx? Yes. Council Member Weirich?

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction1:15

Yes

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction1:17

Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:18

Any presentations tonight?

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction1:20

No presentations tonight.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:21

Okay any

Roll call — called by Andy Gilman
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please Gail. Councilmember Francina? Here. Councilmember Haney? I mean, yes.

commission reports?

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction1:24

Uh no commission reports tonight

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:26

Okay, thank you very much. We will move on to public communication. Just a reminder to the public these are items not on the agenda and because they're not on the agenda we cannot discuss them. When you make a comment we're not ignoring you. We appreciate your viewpoint and participation but we can agendize for the future And each comment is three minutes and I'll be asking the council, never mind. In the sense of fairness and efficiency please stop talking when the time is up and model civility and respect.

No giving away time to another speaker. We're doing our best to run an efficient and productive meeting so thank you very much for your cooperation. So tonight we have just two public communications Gail? Okay first we have Ron Solozano from our library

CommentRon SolorzanoProposedself-stated2:19

All righty, thank you so much members of council. My name is Ron Solorzano and I am the regional librarian for the Ojai Valley Tonight I wanted to give you another update on the operations of the Ojai Library So the library is currently open for the full seven day a week schedule. Customers are able to fully access our collection and many of our typical programs are returning to meeting in person.

Perhaps most exciting right now is the fact that our 2022 summer reading program is beginning as of May 15th, and both children and adults are going to be able to join our reading challenges online through our website. Along with our reading challenge, where young ones can track the minutes that they read and adults can track the books they read. The Ojai Library is also going to offer special programs that will include board game and Lego sessions, science art and writing workshops, and the long-awaited return of our weekly story time for children ages zero to five years old.

The library also continues to visit the Ojai Community Farmer's Market on the second Thursday of every month, and our Pause for Reading Therapy Dog program continues every Wednesday afternoon. Also our mobile library is still visiting the Miners Oaks Elementary School campus every Friday at 1030 a.m. to deliver their outdoor storytime. For adults, we have two special events coming up.

One is actually taking place at the E.P. Foster Library in downtown Ventura where former Hells Angels president George Christie will speak on this Saturday May 14th. On the following Saturday May 21st a local author Elizabeth Krauss will be coming to the Ojai library to talk about her travel memoir entitled Three Sisters, Three Weeks, Three Countries Still Talking.

For more information on these or any of our other programs, you can contact the library or visit our website at www.vancolibrary.org. That's all I have for now. Thank you so much for your time and if you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:33

Thank you so much Ron. Next we have Bill Miley

Commentmy name is BillProposedself-stated4:39

Good evening, for the record my name is Bill Miley. Hello! As of Friday when reading the new issue of the Ojai Valley News I have an informational item to share In the extensive article about the appeal of the City Planning Commission approval of El Roblox redevelopment, I read a brief statement about Mindful Citizen Simply Ojai which is the hotel appellant having a new structure called Fuel Reduction Works which is receiving a grant of funds from the state organization CAL FIRE.

In my opinion they deserve congratulations for the award of $492,000 for their project I try to stay current on what's going on and this is brand new to me. I went to the CAL FIRE website and looked at their current grant approvals, there are 40 of them throughout California. The fuel reduction works grant work plan was described by CAL FIRE as follows Removing incendiary ember cast and fire brand producing fuels by eucalyptus, Italian cypress, fan palm et cetera around homes in adjacent open areas owned by willing participants that are solely in the very high fire hazard severity zone. State responsibility zone and also local responsibility area zone.

There are 543 homes in the project area By dramatically reducing the number of ignitions in future fires, we are limiting the size and intensity of fire occurrences. Long-term greenhouse gas emission reductions will be achieved via reduction in acres and structures burned over time and by substantially diminishing the chances of wildland or urban fire because becoming out of control.

From the Ojai Valley News commentary, I want to quote this section as it recognizes the local person who will be instrumental in the grant's implementation. Quote, The project manager listed on the grant application obtained by the Ojai Valley News through a Public Records Act request is Ojai resident Tom Francis who according to the grant budget will be paid just over $50,000 as manager of the project stated to be completed in 2024 The summary of the grant is Northern Ojai Incendiary Fuel Ember Cast Reduction Project.

And in conclusion, this surely is a windfall for a portion of our valley which will add to all the previous and current efforts to prevent and if not prevent reduce damage from wildfires. Thank you. Thank

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction7:27

You

Commentmy name is BillProposedself-stated7:27

Bill

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction7:28

any comments on Zoom Gail?

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction7:33

If anyone in the Zoom queue who would like to speak, please use the raised hand function now. No one's raising their hand? OK.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction7:44

Thank you. All right. We'll move on to the consent calendar. Is there a motion to approve?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:49

So move and note that Councilperson Blatz has joined us on Zoom. Great. I'll second.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction7:55

OK. Roll call. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed7:56

had a comment on this. I paused it. A comment on that consent calendar

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction8:03

Sorry, can you repeat that Ryan?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed8:04

I have a comment on the consent calendar.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction8:06

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed8:08

On item J, I was just wondering if the council wanted we were canceling one meeting in each of the next couple of months for summer recess but I was thinking that it might make more sense if we did the second one in July and the first one in August rather than the first one or second one each so they weren't you know they're back-to-back rather than have this one have one miss one and then have one I just wanted to know if the council would prefer to do that. I thought that made more sense.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction8:35

And, and I can note just quickly that we did check all four of those meetings and there's nothing time sensitive that would result in us not being able to cancel one keep one so that would be an option for council if it's desired.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed8:53

I like the option.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed8:56

Excuse me what option?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed8:57

I have no preference, I was just interested in what you said James about the time sensitive item.

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CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction9:12

Yeah, so we checked all both meetings in July and both meetings in August. And as long as we have a meeting in each month which Councilmember Blatt's proposal would still keep, we should be fine. So I think that would be cancelling July 26th and August

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed9:27

9th. That's fine either way is fine.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction9:30

Okay. All right. We have a second? Second.

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction9:33

Okay,

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction9:33

all right. Thank you Ryan. Roll call please Gail.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0
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Councilmember Blatts? Yes. Council Member Frenzina? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Yes. Mayor Stixx? Yes Council Member Weyrich? Yes

Thank You Gail all right

we will move on to item number two the public hearing appeal of design review permit regarding the proposed remodel of the Hotel El Roblar site formerly the Oaks of Ojai and just in terms of the procedure, the appeal will begin with a brief staff report of the project and the history followed by council questions for staff The public hearing will then be opened.

The applicant will be given an opportunity to provide a brief overview of their proposal. The appellant will then be given the opportunity to provide information regarding the appeal. The applicant and then appellate will each have an opportunity to rebut. The council will then ask questions of staff, applicant or appellant. The public will then provide comments. The public hearing will then be closed followed by council deliberation and a decision and you don't have to remember that because I'll remind you. Okay so James do you want to take it away?

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction10:46

Yes, thank you. Thank you Mayor. So this item, the appeal of the design review permit for the proposed remodel of the Hotel El Roblar site is a public hearing and so as you mentioned we'll be holding a public hearing and allowing for public comment The item being appealed is the design review permit for the Hotel El Roblar, which was formerly the Oaks at Ojai.

The Oaks at Ojia operated as a 46-room hotel and included an interior dining room with patio. We'll get into in a moment what the remodel proposes. But just a little bit of history, the project was approved by the Planning Commission with the majority of the project approved 4-1 on April 6th. And the remaining lighting and landscaping plan were approved by the Planning Commission on April 20, 2022.

An appeal was filed by the Appellant on April 20, 2022 The appeal is considered a de novo hearing. The project site was constructed in 1919 with several modifications and expansions since that time, which are detailed in the staff report and in the historic report. The hotel, as I mentioned most recently operated as the Oaks but closed during the Thomas Fire.

The Hotel El Roblar is proposed to be remodeled as a full-service 50 room hotel comprised of 11 bungalows or suites and 39 hotel rooms within the main two story hotel building. Modifications to the exterior are proposed to remove the 2003-2004 mission style revisions, and the applicant I think will talk a little bit about their vision. But my understanding is the vision is to return the design closer to its original design roots.

The city required a historic resources report for the proposed changes to the exterior. The City's Historic Preservation Commission supported, reviewed the proposed design and supported the proposed design which is the design with arches. The report talked about some of the different designs but it's the design with arches The Planning Commission then ultimately approved that design as well.

Most of the modifications proposed in the project are the repurposing of existing space, but there is some new construction related to the gym building and pool facilities. The Planning Commission when they reviewed and approved the project focused on a couple of areas that I wanted to highlight. One was operating hours for the hotel, restaurant and event center.

Briefly the hotel will operate 24 hours a day seven days a week. The 66 seat restaurant and 42 seat bar or lounge area would be open between 7am to 11pm. And the event center would include a capacity of 150 seats and be operational between 8am to 9pm, Sunday through Wednesday and 8am to midnight Thursday through Saturday. The planning commission included a condition that the city review the hours of operation and the uses on the one year and three-year anniversaries of the certificate of occupancy being issued so those reviews will be scheduled if the project is approved.

Another issue that was discussed in addition to the operating hours is the parking for the project. The Planning Commission actually reviewed the parking and gave feedback several times in December, January and again in April as part of the approvals. To summarize that issue, the ITE standards which is the Institute of Transportation Engineers The ITE standards identify a requirement of 78 parking spaces. The project applicants proposed a plan to provide 78 spaces across three locations, 40 spaces are on-site which may be accessed via valet, 18 are at the lot just north of the hotel site at 202 North Ventura Street which is owned by the applicants which would also be accessed via valet And then 20 spots are dedicated as employee self-parking with no guest or no valet parking, which is behind the beacon location.

Staff previously recommended allowing 15 of those spaces to count towards the requirement. The Planning Commission approved allowing all 20 spaces to count so that was included in the approval. And so lastly, the last key element of the project that we wanted to highlight is the project will be subject to the city's public art requirement. Because the composition of the Arts Commission was recently changed and the commission still needs to have some appointments made to be able to have a quorum We are recommending that the council approve the agreement identified as attachment and in the report, which will require the applicant to immediately deposit the total fee amount of the public art fee into an escrow account.

And that would allow the city and the applicant to work towards requiring with the public art requirement in full by October 21st 2022. This is intended to allow time for the public art process to ensure the best result rather than a rushed project right at the entrance to the city. So we thought that was important and so That is a highlight of some of the key elements of the project I believe the City Attorney will add a couple of comments in as part of the staff report

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction16:42

Thank you James, Mr. Vega. Mayor and Council a couple additional points as you know most are familiar with the project but a couple of different points one in the staff report there two corrections that are worth noting number one is on page three there's a reference to the outdoor pre-function area as part of the general area the general courtyard and that's not quite correct it's correctly noted in the conditions the outdoor pre function area is part of the event center Why this is relevant is because that means that the outdoor pre-function area would be subject to the conditions on hours and other operations, including capacity of the event center. So that's one correction there. Second correction is as to the one year and three year reviews condition number 23 correctly notes that the condition is to review the functions of the event center, not the entire hotel.

And that was not quite precisely stated in the staff report. So the one in three year reviews as approved by the Planning Commission and is recommended by staff for the council to approve, it would be that review is of the event center's operations. And then that's an opportunity to assess, is it working well or not? And if it's not working well, then what adjustments should be made to make it work well? And again, that's at the one in the three-year opportunities. Second is when they propose findings, staff has two recommended additions should the council approve the project One would be on the finding G in the resolution and I apologize, I don't have front of me which page that is.

But we will find out in a moment. Finding G is on page 5 of attachment A, the resolution or which is also packet page 2-19. And it would be in finding G, which currently states there are adequate provisions for public access water sanitation and public utilities and services to ensure that the proposed use would not be detrimental to public health and safety. Subject side is served by public utilities. We'd add a reference as to water demand report submitted yesterday this morning by Watershed Progressive shows that the existing hotel facility has adequate water connections and has maintained a water service connection And it's as proposed, the project would reduce water demand. by approximately 55% compared to the previously operating hotel.

And then second, also on the next page finding J which is on page 2-20 or page six of attachment A as regards parking staff would recommend adding a reference to the discretion in table 3-5 of Ohio Municipal Code section 10 to 1405 that allows the director on recommendation, the planning commission on approval, council on appeal to determine that the mix of uses for a mixed use project can be required parking can be determined by the ITE study. The basis for that is to draw the connection between the 78 space requirement as noted by Mr. Vega's comments and in the past discussions drew from the ITE study to add a reference to that in the resolution and then it's noted as proposed 78 required parking spaces and 78 have been provided through three pieces.

40 on site, 18 at 202 North Ventura and 20 at 209-211 West Ojai Avenue. Last staff recommends a minor adjustment to the public art compliance agreement. And on this one I have a handout And this is, the addition is to add a new section six that would provide that in the event of acts of God other things beyond the applicant's control. The timelines for the public art piece could be adjusted and that if the project ever did not proceed, the city would return the money. The reason being that the $50,000 that will be paid in by the applicant if this is approved It's for public art. If it is never built, the city would have to return the money.

And with that, I would add that we are available for questions both myself, the city manager, community development director and a number of consultants on the city side. In particular worth noting the city's historic consultant, what was her name? Evangeline, not Evangeline. Evan. Evan St. Clair with architecture- Charles. St. Charles, thank you. With architectural resources group is available this evening through the Zoom for any questions on the historic issues. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction21:23

Thank you, Matt. Any questions from Council? Susan?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:27

Would it be possible or desirable to separate... Oh! Over here. Sorry. Thank you for telling me. Can we consider separating the issue of the façade, the two choices for the façade from the five main issues that is in the appeal? because the appeal does not include any reference to the facade. My thinking is that, you know we have a large audience there's going to be a lot of comments would it make sense to separate the two but start with the appeal because if that takes too long perhaps

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction22:09

you know. So council can consider it in pieces but the decision has to be as to the project as a whole We cannot approve half a project, or disapprove half a project. Either way that has to be a decision. So council could consider it in pieces and if desired it can always be continued but my recommendation would be to as much as possible take it in chunks but in the end get you a decision on the whole project

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed22:35

Okay, so that was my other question. It's all or nothing tonight? Say that we have an issue with say one of the items in the appeal.

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction22:48

So I should clarify there. The council's options are approve the project as proposed, deny the project thereby affirming the appeal, or approve it with conditions, or remand it back to the Planning Commission for a further assessment of either the whole project or one piece So an option would be to refer it back to the Planning Commission, to look at one piece of it if that would be necessary.

But those are your four basic options. Approve, deny, approve with conditions, kick back to the Planning Commission.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed23:17

Okay thank you for the clarification.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction23:20

Other questions? Randy and then Bill.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed23:22

Just real quick I have the application for appeal in front of me and Suze, I don't see the five concerns.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed23:32

Right here on page two of the letter yeah that we received a letter from Leslie Hess. Leslie

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed23:40

Hess is not the applicant?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed23:44

I believe she's the rector of Simply Ojai.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed23:47

She is not on the application, so do we need a some form of ruling on that? That who's the applicant and who's not the applicant and something that has been sent to us is subject to the comment period am I clear

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction24:03

on that? Am I right on that let me clarify a couple points so number one the stated Appellant, the applicant is the Hotel Aurora Bluffs owner. The appellant is Megan Berkfist for Simply Ojai. Thus the appellant is Megan Berkfist or any bona fide representative of Simply Ojai who was listed as the aggrieved person. Ms. Hess submitted a letter yesterday or the day before that yesterday that purports to be from and on behalf of Simply Ojai I do not know to what extent Ms. Hess is in that role as a director of simply, oh I presume she'll speak tonight and prove up that status. The council on appeal can consider any issue raised by any member of the public. The appellant raised two issues in their appeal summarized as intensity of use too high parking inadequate and the council must consider those two issues.

The council can also consider any other issue about the project because it's a de novo hearing. As a result, you could consider the issues raised by Ms. Hess in her letter. You could also disregard them as not raised in the appeal. That's a choice.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed25:15

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed25:18

So again I just need to clarify this. This is the appellants and Megan is the appellant am I correct?

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction25:29

Yes but she did so in a representative capacity not in her personal capacity Equivalent to if I appeal something for the city, I'm not personally the appellant. The city is the appellate. In this case she appealed as a representative of an unincorporated group of citizens as far as I know although again we haven't been provided proof as to Ms. Hess' status.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed25:48

So just for clarification so that means that anyone who belongs to this organization can come here tonight and represent Simply Ojai?

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction25:57

The group will be limited to about 10 minutes in representatives and we would need to understand how they are a representative of that group.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed26:04

And how do we arrive

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction26:05

at ten minutes? That's a rule of reason subject to the mayor and council's control, about ten minutes for the applicant, about ten minutes for the appellant. Subject to council control of course. That's not a hard rule. More about efficient meeting, OK?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed26:21

Well like I said, I'm just trying to be clear on so this is my probably my second appeal in seven years. So it's just. It seems that it seems to me to be a little out of the ordinary that we have someone

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction26:36

stick to questions for style.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed26:39

Yeah, I will. No no, this is a question please let me finish. So being as it is different. How are we to determine the right response to the letter we received yesterday? And any other letters that we have received, do we take them all in kind? Do we take them all separate? Do we need to take every individual letter that has come to us and break it down and say well this was with simply Ojai and this is just a citizen. How do we make those determinations?

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction27:19

So my recommendation is to take it as a whole The project is proposed, arguments against it by the appellant were submitted in the written document in your hand. Let's consider those two and that's what's done in the written resolution and then consider any other arguments raised by anyone else as worthy or not worthy of review and assessment. Staff's assessment is that of all the arguments raised so far in order to fulfill the Planning Commission's decision, just two edits would need to be made to the findings. The one on water and the second on parking. The rest have been dealt with but that would be our recommendation is take it as a whole. Thank you Matt, thank you Mayor.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction27:55

Bill?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed27:56

Just too quick I think my question has been answered so I'm going to phrase it in the form of am I correct then in my understanding The council must address the grounds for appeal that were filed originally and it's our discretion on grounds beyond that. Yes, that's correct. And the second thing is as of the beginning of this meeting we do not have a list of members or participants in Simply Ojai.

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction28:24

Nothing has been submitted to the city.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:25

That's

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction28:28

right. Ryan any other questions?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed28:34

I wrote it down and I'm not finding exactly where, but I was on page 18 of 22. But there, I didn't write down which attachment, there's so many. But there was a section that said there was a maximum of one event per month for local nonprofit and other community events. And I wondered if there was I don't want to deliberate about that now, but I wanted to make sure when it was written correctly and what the rationale if any was behind that. Was that to limit local events? Because I'd hate to see if there's one month where there happened to be two community non-profit events that could be potentially at an event center. I don't know why we'd be putting a max on it. When I first read it, I thought oh they're promising one, but I said well that doesn't make sense.

And no, it was actually a cap in how many they could have

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction29:24

Yeah, that was discussed at the Planning Commission meeting. I think the general idea was... The general discussion was focused on making sure there weren't too many events that would start impacting neighbors and the community But I do remember that same question came up where the commission was asking for, you know why we would want to put a limitation on number of local events in particular. So that is a standard or that is something we could modify relatively easily?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed30:00

Yeah well that was all I needed for now. That's the question. Thank you. I'll get back to it later thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction30:06

Question about the watershed progressive report that we received it this afternoon around three. Yes, that is not present in any other Report Planning Commission report that did the Planning Commission get that?

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction30:19

To my knowledge, the city received it today. We had not received it before.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction30:23

I don't recall it being in the Planning Commission

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction30:25

report. Is that correct? So yeah we confirmed it was not in the City's files before.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction30:29

Okay thank you. Okay I guess that's... Randy?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed30:32

Just one last question regarding that though if I remember correctly the El Rolvar group did bring up the water saving Features to to Planning Commission. Am I correct?

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction30:45

Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed30:45

I believe that's correct Yes, it's orally just not right substantiates to their verbiage that they articulated in the planning my correct correct.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction30:54

Okay Any other questions? Okay The public hearing will now be open and we will hear from the applicant for an overview of the proposal And it's I was I will keep an eye on the clock

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed31:13

James, can we pull up the slides?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed31:17

Mayor Mameka, one quick comment. Ex parte Souza and I did meet with this group on Friday and did a walkthrough of the property. I think we were there about a half hour so I just want to let the public know that we did do that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed31:35

I would add that I think we were there for over an hour. Yeah, and I stayed after you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed31:41

did.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed31:43

I sat in

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed31:44

my truck for a long time answering messages

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed31:45

but... Okay. I didn't know we had to disclose that.

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction31:50

Mayor and Council before we have Mr. Shimshiri speak why don't we confirm on the record who anyone else who visited the site?

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction31:58

Warner gave me a tour a long time ago. Remember Warner? It was a while back,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed32:07

okay? I had a

CommentRamin ShamsheriProposedself-stated32:08

tour a very long time ago as well. We've all been here a very long time. So should we get started? Be generous, please. Okay, I'll race through it. Well good evening, my name is Ramin Shamsheri and I'm one of the partners of the Hotel El Roblar and I've been here in Ojai for 14 years. I wanted to start by thanking everyone here for taking the time to review our project and also want to thank city staff for all the work you've done in the last few years to getting us to this point and thank you to the council members that have come out and took the time to tour the project to better understand our proposal I also wanted to introduce our team. We have Warner Ebb Inc., Eric Goode, and Jeremy McBride scattered back here.

For the benefit of the council and general community, I've prepared a brief presentation for the project which has been documented in the administrative report. Hopefully it's not too redundant. But our proposal intends to renovate and restore the hotel most recently known as The Oaks into the Hotel El Roblar, the original name of the hotel when it was built by Edward Libby in 1919 and was recognized as the city's foremost resort hotel that was open year-round prior to World War II.

We started this process almost three years ago, months prior to closing escrow on the property which occurred in the fall of 2019. The hotel has been closed since 2017 due to the Thomas fire and we began conversations with the city on permitting our project to reestablish its historic entitlements which was a full-service 49 room hotel that had 50 parking spots and based on our initial reports, was historically under parked by 34 cars since 1972.

Our intention is to bring the hotel back to its original roots and make the entire property feel like it's always been there, an integral part of the history of Ojai. We're truly honored and humbled to carry on the spirit and tradition of this iconic property And we were thrilled when the Clough family chose to sell the property to our group because they felt it was in the best interest of the city.

We intend to treat it with the utmost respect and care, both architecturally and socially, and we hope to create a place that caters not only to visitors but also can capture the spirit of the local community and invite them to share in the amenities. The hotel is over 100 years old and everything we are proposing works within the historic entitlements that have been established and occurred over time, such as overnight accommodations, the event space, the restaurant, bar, lounge used to have live music. And then the amenities like the swimming pool.

We believe the ultimate aesthetic impact will be minimal and improve the look and feel of the site while implementing the conveniences, efficiencies, and amenities of a full-service hotel. We chose the path to restore this hotel, and this includes the process of rehabilitating each room from scratch. It's a process that requires more resources and time than a ground-up project. Rehabilitating old buildings is a skill I've been working on for most of my career, and the most obvious challenge for this project is existing parking configuration as well as creating sustainable model for a hotel given the realities of today's climate.

How can we open the public spaces that we read so much about during the 20s and 50s, and comply with current codes? How can we do this when there hasn't ever really been enough parking to begin with? How can we work to create a sustainable project in a building that's a historic contributor to a district, and is over 100 years old. And as you know our plans have been approved by the Planning Commission, as well as the Historic Preservation Commission.

So the solutions, and those solutions are what you're hearing today. So I wanted to walk you through our initial concept. I guess we can go to the next slide. Am I doing it? Okay, so we were first inspired by the original architectural style of building and we looked to the work of Irving Gill who mentored Mead and Recwell before they opened their own practice and were hired by Libby to do a good portion of the Ojai Historic Core. These are some early photos. We can go to the next slide.

And the site plan and drawings, we can go to the next slide as well in the next slide So this is the current site plan that we have existing, and we can go to the next slide. And this is the proposed site plan which I think you've all reviewed in the package. As noted, we'd like to remove a good bit of the parking on the perimeter to replace it with more drought-tolerant landscaping so that you're not looking at a building surrounded by cars with curb cuts but rather a nicely landscaped perimeter with usable sidewalks. Our proposed plan will result in a reduction of 10 parking spots on the actual property while adding an additional nine street parking spots open to the public that don't exist today.

So, the net loss on site would be one spot This does not include the additional 38 spots we've secured at off-site, private locations. We want to encourage pedestrian foot traffic that brings vibrancy to community. The Playhouse, Libbey Park, the playground, the tennis courts, Libby Bowl, the museum, Barts Books, the library, the market, everything is within a five minute walk of the hotel.

We can go to the next slide. This is our proposed façade on Ojai Avenue, which would reincorporate the original pedestrian arch built in 1919 and we wanted to simplify and clean up the façade by extending the current arched arcade that supports the balconies above. These are arches that are already there and they're already on about one third of the facade, and we want to just extend it all the way across. This is the approved facade which we feel is more romantic and pleasing architecturally. It creates a seamless transition from the required structural columns to support the balconies We feel it's more aligned with the downtown historic core and complements it rather than competes with it by using arches that are a different scale than what exists in the core, and they're also set back from the street nestled behind trees and landscape.

In October of last year, we were told we had to go through historic review and followed all the city protocols, completed a new historic resources report and presented our facade options to the Historic Commission. After much back-and-forth on the legality of the Secretary of Interior's standards, they supported us unanimously in favor of our preferred façade with the arches.

It was then contested at the following Planning Commission hearing, and they too supported the arches as well. We can go to the next slide. In our research, we found some original drawings and photos of the interior which we used as a basis for our plans. This is the original fireplace. And the next slide, we can keep going sorry. Next slide. So this is a rendering of the lobby which is based on those drawings and we'd like to bring back that original, oh sorry go back one sorry. We want to bring back that original rock fireplace, the board and bat paneling and use classic terracotta tiles.

We can go to the next slide. These are the drawings of the restaurant off the main lobby on OI Avenue, the working name is The Condor Bar and this is the one we'd like to have open to the public. You can go to the next slide. This is the same Condor Bar in the next slide. This is our proposed breakfast and lunch restaurant, which is facing the pool. It's on the north side of the main building and one of the areas we're proposing to demolish on the facade.

It has a mid-century look and not in keeping with the characteristics of the rest of the property. And we hope to bring back the original character of that building with a more Spanish style elevation and interior. Next, please. This is the proposed banquet hall originally known as the Flamingo Room which we intend to keep and that remains within the existing footprint of the hotel. We can keep going.

These are our guest rooms. Each room will have unique touches that will honor the history of Ojai, potential imagery of Beatrice Wood and Krishnamurti, and we're using vintage posters from the Ojai Music Festival. We can go to the next one. And the next one, I think. Okay so overall we hope to create an experience that captures the essence and history of Ojai and allows visitors and locals to appreciate our beautiful downtown historic core. Concurrently we hope to bring more foot traffic and revenue to local businesses while restoring and improving the TOT tax and sales tax that was lost to the city since the closure of The Oaks We're estimating one and a quarter million dollars per year in additional tax revenue for the city. We hope to create 40 new hospitality jobs, over 100 short-term construction jobs.

We will also be working on attaining 1% for the planet certification by giving 1% of our revenues to local environmental causes like the Ojai Land Conservancy. We've since met with some of those opposed to our plan and oddly we both want the same things We don't want the hotel to have a major impact on local parking and congestion, but we simply have philosophical differences on the best way to get there.

They believe that we should have self-parking that directs visitors to lots or spaces allotted for them. They believe that valet is culturally wrong and elitist and will congest the streets with extra trips. We think that plan will create a parking free-for-all, with visitors driving around not knowing where to go and taking whatever street parking they can find.

Our goal is to keep as many cars as we can off of our public streets and out of our public parking spots. The use of valet gives us the opportunity to have greater capacity in private lots, not open to the public. It gives us the ability to control where our guests park and allows us to have their cars moved by staff that know where they are going. It keeps the cars off the street essentially allowing for more parking for locals less cars driving around and ultimately less of an impact on the community If there's a significant concern about solving the parking problem, we request that this council take action on this important issue and create a special Parking Commission to foster ongoing cooperation among businesses residents and city agencies in order to address them in a collaborative way.

Also, if the goal of the valet ordinance is to push for open-to-all parking then shouldn't we be afforded the same freedoms as the other businesses on Ojai Avenue that don't have to adhere to any parking requirements? We've been playing along by the rules set in front of us for three years. We have watched a number of businesses open on Ojai Avenue and a number of businesses continue to operate on Ojai Avenue, most of which have little or no parking at all. We have presented a variety of proposals with options that provide significantly more parking spaces than our predecessor with essentially the same entitlements.

In regards to the environmental concerns, we've been working with a company called Watershed Progressive to come up with a sustainable plan for the project. Today we have submitted a detailed report that includes landscape and irrigation upgrades, low flow fixtures, potential rainwater harvest and gray water reuse all of which will reduce water consumption by about 55% from the current infrastructure.

Furthermore, the HVAC was already designed to be entirely electric with a heat pump. And our first pass at the water heating design was a high efficiency gas tank but we are in the process of reviewing the feasibility of solar thermal preheat system as well as installing a PV electrical system on some of our roofs. As locals, this is a passion project for us and none of us want to lose the soul of Ojai.

But we also think the soul of Ojai is strong enough to persevere the presence of a couple of parking attendants to reopen an existing hotel that has operated for most of the last century. These delay tactics have to stop. They undermine the public process and the authority placed in the hands of your Planning Commission and your Historic Commission. We need to move forward and harness progressive planning and ideas as stagnation does not provide any solution to today's concerns.

We imagine this site will continue to evolve as we manage through it together, and we can't predict everything that's going to happen. But we know that our hearts and intentions are in the right place, and we'll work together to resolve any issues that may come up. At this point, we ask that the representatives of the city be consistent and true to your process.

Help us move this project ahead and restore this site to its original glory. Thank you again for all your time this evening. Thank you.

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction45:46

Thanks, Romain. Thank you. We will now hear from the appellate. And that was 14 minutes, just so you know. That was good!

PresenterTom FrancisSimply Ojai this eveningProposedself-stated46:09

Good evening mayor and council members. First of all I want to thank you for your service, thank you for all you do for our city and my name is Tom Francis and I'm representing Simply Ojai this evening. Simply Ojai is a non-profit organization that works to protect the environment and keep Ojai, Ojai. I also want to clarify one point which is that Ms. Bergfuss when she filed the appeal she wrote on there that she reserved the right and that simply Ojai reserves the right to add things to the record that was on the appeal form.

And so it was made clear that there's going to be more information coming

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction46:59

Can we please have decorum in the audience, thank you.

PresenterTom FrancisSimply Ojai this eveningProposedself-stated47:03

Simply Ojai wants the hotel to reopen as soon as possible that is our intent but we also think that there's a number of ways that the project can be improved in a very short period of time if they if the council agrees to do so Sadly, we concluded we must appeal the Planning Commission's decision to approve the hotel project due to substantial flaws in the approval process as well as a proposed expansion of use and parking plan which if approved will negatively impact our town and the environment. We believe that the absence of an environmental impact report on the project that would have addressed water supply constraints and other concerns has contributed to the projects impacts shortfalls and delays.

Our observation is that the hotel owners got carried away with their plan and are asking to do things that just don't make sense considering the location and spatial limitations of this historic site, and the acute water supply uncertainty that Ojai is facing. Rather than simply renovate and reopen the hotel, the owners propose to increase the intensity of use on the site Externalize a substantial portion of their parking liabilities to off-site locations that lack assurance of permanence and eliminate all self-parking opportunities from the hotel site that have been part of the hotel operation for decades.

I do want to point out that this hotel, just wanna make it clear and make sure everyone understands that throughout the past decades there has been ample self-parking on the hotel controlled property and that this is a really big change to go only valet. And so if allowed, these proposed operational changes will unnecessarily create multiple ongoing problems for our town, city staff and the hotel owners. In an effort to work together to find a way forward we could all agree on two of the hotel owners and Simply Ojai representatives recently invested many hours over a period of 10 days into negotiations in hope of coming forward to the council with the proposed settlement. Though we succeeded in learning that we had much in common regarding the environment and protecting endangered species We found potential common ground on reduction of intensity of use.

We could not find our way to substantive agreement on a parking plan for the project. We thank Eric Goode and Jeremy McBride for investing considerable time into that effort. There's an opportunity to make this hotel renovation much better for the community in the environment while also ensuring financial success for the hotel owners Rather than green light the proposed project by affirming the decision of the Planning Commission, we encourage the Council to instead give this project a yellow light as there are changes that can be made to the proposed plan and the related resolution adopted by the Planning Commission in a timely manner that would make the hotel the best it can be.

Our understanding is that this can happen should a majority of the council vote to conditionally affirm in part the planning conditions approval Therefore, we respectfully request that the Council affirm in part the Commission's approval while also allowing time to consider improvements to some or all of the five following topics of concern. So I want to emphasize some or all. We're intentionally offering you guys an a la carte menu. You guys can choose to address one or more of these issues or all of them or anything you want to do. They're not being put forward as a whole okay?

These topics could be negotiated between city staff, project applicants and appellants or city staff and project applicants with the goal being that a final decision on the renovation plan be made at the May 24th City Council meeting. Suggested project improvement number one, explore options to retain some of the 22 onsite hotel self-parking spaces that are proposed to be eliminated or other self parking solutions rather than adopt the presently proposed plan that with the exception of employee parking makes all parking on hotel controlled properties valet only.

All valet and no self-parking is not Ojai. It's just not, and some of the people that live in Ojai that want to go and eat lunch or have dinner or have a drink are not going to want to go through the grandiose ceremonial process of valet parking their car so what they're gonna do is they're gonna park on the street. That's the way it's gonna happen okay? And that's not necessarily the end of the world but we think it's a better approach to parking to have it balanced between self parking and valet 2. Explore options to decrease the number of people allowed in the event center, adjacent outdoor pool, patio area, restaurant and bar.

Suggested Improvement 3. Explore options to irrigate landscaping with gray water from hotel operations and capture of stormwater runoff, reducing dependency on dwindling Ojai water reserves. Four, discuss and potentially modify resolution language to more accurately reflect the City of Ojai's ability to attest to availability of adequate water to serve the project. So I noticed that the attorney representing the applicant made an assertion that there is a pipe hooked up to the hotel and it has been hooked up for 100 years so there is no problem with the water hookup. That's not what we are asserting. And it's ridiculous for him to assert that. We're asserting that we're in the middle of climate-driven aridification and that we've got a problem with our water supply, and that the city should strongly consider when they're approving projects to be more honest about what's going on with our water and not just say everything is good.

5. Explore options to require that all hotel operations be free of climate-changing natural gas or other fossil energy. Here's some information about uncertainty of water supply. In a June 15, 2021 letter from Leslie Hess to the Ojai Planning Commission regarding Ojai's to 2029 housing element as well as an April 6, 2022 letter from myself to the Ojai Planning Commission regarding this hotel renovation and expansion plan. Concerns were expressed about the City of Ojai's ability to continue meeting the needs of existing water users and or demands caused by newly approved uses or increases of intensity of use.

To date, neither the Ojai Planning Commission nor the Ojai City Council have provided a meaningful response or action plan regarding these concerns. According to a June 23rd 2021 Casitas Municipal Water District study If present tent trends continue, before long we will reach stage five drought where outdoor irrigation is severely limited if not curtailed. This is a copy of the study. You can see the projection and it's gonna go down, down, down if we don't get rain. We're gonna get to stage five and there is no stage six right? So Ojai's experiencing extended drought and aridification. Extended drought has occurred many times throughout geological time.

This is normal. What is not normal is the compounding factor of climate-driven aridification. Unlike extended drought, aridification is permanent. Aridification in the Western United States is directly attributable to climate change and the resulting rise in global average temperatures. In fact, according to data from the National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration, Ventura County has experienced a temperature increase of 2.6 degrees Celsius, 4.75 degrees Fahrenheit and total warming in the period from 1895 to 2021 which is a greater increase than any other county in the contiguous United States.

We've got actually the highest in the country. Considering the fact that Lake Cassidius is an open reservoir that provides the Ojai Valley with a large portion of our water reserves and the rising temperatures increase evaporation rates, that all groundwater basins in the valley and the lake rely solely on rain and snowfall to be replenished, and that present projections are that the extended drought we're experiencing will continue, we are at a loss as to how the Planning Commission adopted Resolution 22 05 which states quote there are adequate provisions for public access, water, sanitation and public utilities and services to ensure that the proposed use would not be detrimental to public health and safety. Subject site is served by public utilities In the interest of avoiding potential legal and ecological liability and resulting financial losses for the City, we respectfully request that the City Council do what is legally required to amend said resolution language so that it better reflects current and projected water supply circumstances.

And it's truthful about the fact that the city's water purveyor has provided information to the public that we may soon hit stage five drought and therefore applicants project may not be able to adequately serve with sufficient water. To be clear, we're not wanting to stop the project okay? We want the project to go forward but we want the city to be honest and this resolution is not honest.

It lacks information that's important For applicants or anyone else to consider, members of the public to consider about what's really going on with our water. It's time to start talking about it. Considering Ojai's present dire water supply and reserve circumstances we assert that Ojai's Planning Commission and City Council need to make decisions that work with rather than against the laws of geophysics.

Making planning or policy decisions absent meaningful study and consideration of geophysical limitations on our water supply is living in denial, and harms the water rights and water security of everyone in the Ventura watershed. In addition, though we applaud applicants' commitment to low-flow plumbing fixtures and drought tolerant landscaping unless we somehow overlooked it in our review project staff reports what is glaringly absent from the plan for this project is a forward thinking irrigation system that captures and reuses greywater and stormwater runoff from hotel operations for irrigation and other purposes, thereby dramatically reducing reliance on scarce City of Ojai water reserves.

Also from a policy perspective we recommend that rather than allocate any additional water derived from conservation, a blessing of wetter weather, more sensible agriculture or other sources, we don't want it to go to new demands such as development increases of intensity of use et cetera, and that Ojai instead allocates said water to building our water reserves.

So we're running low on water and we think it's time to stop approving growth that increases demand. And if a project comes forward and they find ways to save water, good for them but let's apply it to our reserves not expanding the use on the site. I'm happy to learn that project proponents responded to our assertion that landscapes should not be irrigated with potable water and at three o'clock today submitted into the record some sort of water plan. This plan was dated April 5th, not sure why It had to wait till today, as opposed to being submitted to the planning commission. Therefore we ask council to approve the project in part and direct staff to perform further review of parking, intensity of use, the city's ability to attest adequate and stable water supply to serve the project, refraining from use of fossil energy such as natural gas, and a landscape irrigation plan that relies solely on green water.

This thing is really close. Let's give staff and project applicants time to get it right. Thank you for your consideration of these project improvements.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction58:13

Thank you. And now the applicant has an opportunity to rebut.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed58:27

Good evening, Mayor and Honorable Council Members. As you can tell I'm the other attorney in the room and I was referenced just a moment ago. Appreciate the opportunity to be here. I don't want to repeat things that your City Attorney told you but there is one thing that's very important in light of council discussion so far De novo is a fancy Italian, pardon me, Latin phrase for you get to take a new look at it.

And we urge you to take a complete look at the project. The project has been in the process for a number of months and had many hearings and the issue about historic preservation has been thoroughly considered. In fact, it is my area of expertise and it was extraordinary that the choice was made by the Preservation Commission to recommend or state its preference for design option one, notwithstanding frankly the somewhat incorrect comments about what's required under the law.

Water. The report I submitted today was dated recently not because that information hasn't been available or part of discussion but because we need to answer the issues that were raised 55% reduction. You know, there's adequate water and the hotel does have a water connection so I also want to address the for the first time tonight someone has used the words environmental impact report no evidence has been submitted of a significant adverse effect No evidence has been presented to contradict the city's experts or the city's own analysis.

CEQA requires you to consider The project which you're going to do tonight. Hopefully and hopefully the whole project and then to examine whether there's substantial evidence on The exemptions, and I think city staff has done an excellent job So we don't want the council to be distracted what's before you is the entire project? It's a good project Council had a number of comments submitted in the last few days my count is well over 80% in support More the comments about design option one. So no evidence on presented by the appellant on The issues they've the two issues they've raised all the evidence Supports the project I'd be happy to speak more but I know that mr McBride has a few things to say we'd be pleased to answer any questions

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction1:01:06

Sir, could we get your name for the record?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:01:08

I'm so sorry Yeah, I'm billed al back of arm Brewster goldsmith and Delvac land use council for the applicant. Thank you.

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction1:01:14

Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:01:16

Thank you You're gonna go ahead, please. He can just front row seat okay? Glad to be back welcome again I want to reiterate our position that was stated this morning about our ask to the council to deny the appeal uphold a decision of the Planning Commission and adopt the draft resolution in administration report with the clarification and minor revisions recommended by staff and the city attorney I do want to talk a minute about some conversation earlier about the staff report and question Commissioner Blatz about this 12 events a year idea.

And it's an interesting one, because it was something we suggested as a condition that mattered to us in our historical review. And we realized that this hotel and this community facility was used by a lot of local businesses. Ojai Chamber of Commerce had its first meeting there in the 20s and 30s. Also a lot of other organizations and community organizations. So because of the restrictions we had to put in place to protect our demand and the parking requirements we had.

We were limited to allow for someone to have an event at the hotel that didn't book rooms there, so it was our concession. It was a suggestion to basically mirror what was historically offered but to bring people in to the hotel and experience the offering. So that's what the idea was before. I would love to come back one day and say it's going so well, we would love to have three events a month and there's no impact and show those findings. That's the idea Commissioner Blatz, and it was that suggestion of ours. So I just wanted to clarify that for you.

So just a couple of points on, we spent a lot of time. The good news is if this doesn't work out I'm going to be a really good parking consultant honestly. I got an offer from someone this morning so it's fantastic news for me. I have a few points about what was just said and I want to invite my colleague Eric up to talk about some of the water issues and environmental issues.

So retaining spots back on site, the people who had the great opportunity to come with us and see the hotel. We learned a lot of the conditions don't work and we also learn this huge problem which is we don't have enough parking even if we open today were short 34 parking spaces that's a 50 year condition Bad decisions get made over time and compound, and we're left with this correction that the only way we can solve is through imagination. But our plan shows that we've worked tirelessly, way too much time on... And this is an emotional point because time.

We're here again talking about this. There's been so many opportunities to bring this to light. It really undermines the hard work people. People are paid to do this work that we actually have to reimburse for, believe it or not. So it's really saddening that we're wasting time on this. There are so many other issues to deal with. So we had to come up with a plan to support more parking spaces. We did that multiple times, multiple times and we figured that out with city staff support planning commission support with community support there's people here today that voice their opinion in the public process and we figured it out.

That's what public process is about so We corrected that problem, adding spaces back on site. Honestly 40% of the ones that are proposed if you've been to the back of Matilla High are not even code compliant there's an accident waiting to happen a liability waiting to happen so I'm not going to even consider that. The lot we purchased is great it's going to be low impact no visibility gravel we're gonna maintain those beautiful trees will be a park bench for community members.

I know some people we learned about you know people who have lived close by there it's gonna be a great thing the neighbor loves it The residents love it. I don't know what the problem is we can do on-site valet in the business but we can't use that lot, it's hypocritical frankly it's really disconcerting so that's kind of where we're at with this parking issue there's no uncertainty we own that lot we own it we also own the leasehold on Beacon For the next 14 years, and we can buy it if the seller decides to sell it.

We effectively have the entitlements for parking forever. And if we don't, and we have a great conversation with Lucas every year and every three years, we'll learn more, we'll figure it out, we might need more parking, we will figure it out. That's what we will do. We've demonstrated that. Give us that benefit of the doubt. Good process, honest people doing hard work figuring out solutions. We haven't been tempted to participate in any of this theater around this issue and we provided solutions and that's what we continue to do every single day.

May I humor a member of the crowd here? Bill, how many times have you been at one of these meetings? How many people you think are in this room today? How many people can be in this room? Okay, got it. My point is there's this correlation between this imaginary number of 150 plus 42. We have way too many occupants. Practically speaking guys when you account for the main use which is a social event you deduct space and circulation you need what's really funny is the Event Center we're reducing in size We're reducing it.

The total massing is reducing, a lot of it's for back-of-house storage and bathrooms. So I don't really understand this argument about it. You know, it's just this red herring like everyone talks about. Oh there's no capacity for parking in our community, Ojai Day, Fourth of July tennis tournament, all these things people love. Why? Take it away from them. Call attention to a problem that doesn't exist So, you know that's my big point on the capacity thing. We're not going to change that.

We study it. This is what we do for a living. We do this. We know what we're doing. Trust us. Now, the only thing I'll I guess that's pretty much it. I mean listen, that's pretty much all I have on this stuff. I want to bring up my I know we're limited on time here Gail right? Yes. Okay. I want to bring in my partner Eric to talk about something.

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction1:08:13

First off, I just want

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:08:14

to sort

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:08:15

of dispel a lot of

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction1:08:16

misinformation. I wanted to get to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:08:17

water because

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction1:08:19

there was

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:08:19

a lot said about water a minute ago I've lived in Ojai and maintained a house in Ojai for 33 years. My father taught at Thatcher School, probably many of you know that. I was a faculty brat. I was here when the 1969 oil spill happened. I was there on the beach taking the oil off Cormorants. I was here when DDT hit. My mother read Silent Spring and Rachel Carson. My mother had the first solar house in California, it was on the cover of Sunset Magazine. Our car ran by propane during the oil crisis. I grew up in California with an environmentally conscious family.

Okay that's me. I've spent the last 25 years working on environmental issues. Our people were at the Climate Change Summit in Edinburgh this past year, we spent a lot of money on climate change issues okay? I'm on the board of Rainforest Trust, we protect 40 million acres of tropical rainforest for carbon sequestration, for oxygen and for wildlife protection The two existential threats of the world today is probably climate change and the extinction crisis, a man-made extinction, the Anthropocene.

Ojai is a microcosm of what's happening in that respect in terms of aridification and water. I want to talk a little bit about water, okay? In my organization, I should say the Turtle Conservancy protects lands around the world in many countries. We bought the largest tract of land in Mexico probably ever purchased 50,000 acres that sequesters carbon that helps with climate change issues okay so I want to talk about Ojai for a minute and water where does most of the water go in California? Okay do you guys know most of the water in California 80 percent of water goes to agriculture Where does most of the water go? In the Ojai Valley. We're a microcosm of California, we're a very good example. Probably around 80% of water in Ojai goes to agriculture, golf courses and people's landscaping.

I spoke today to talk about water. I spoke today to the head, the president of Senior Canyon Water Company and he said to me quote, inside a house It's peanuts. How much water we use? Okay, the water we use is your garden, your lawn, your plants and agriculture is the elephant in the room in Ojai. So to be talking about water as it relates This hotel is so disingenuous and flawed because we are going to be using less water than our predecessors. Rain capture water, how much does it rain anymore? Hardly at all. It's minute, right? Rain capture that's significant in other parts of the world you can capture it. Here you really can't, right? We had six inches of rain this year. So we're doing xeric landscaping.

Flesh, you know Toilets and all of this kind of stuff. We're doing we're getting rid of the hardscape back to parking We're putting in gravel so it sucks in the water right? We're doing all of these things all of these measures to mitigate our water use We're getting rid of the spa that was at the Oaks that used so much water Our predecessors use more water than we do. So the water conversation is a red herring when it comes to the El Roblar Hotel. I just spent $250,000 taking an orchard 27 acres you guys probably know it's called the East End Preserve okay citrus and avocados sucked up so much water I spent all this money putting back oak trees native sycamores I brought in the Ojai Valley Land Conservancy. We put our money where our mouths are.

What have these people done other than talk, okay? We are a model what we did in the East End to what people can do to change orchards and the elephant in the room where all the water is going, okay? So it's really hard for us to sit here and listen to this water conversation and other misinformation parking included and other issues when these are just people talking, and they don't do anything. We act with urgency because we have to today because of climate change, because of aridification, okay? So to use this hotel as some kind of talking point about water is disingenuous. And so I'd leave it with that.

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:12:55

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:12:57

I just want to say one last point. Hard act to follow, but this we have many people who have dialed in tonight on Zoom some here our professional services team and consultants on the project including our water consultant and I just want to say that the reason we did have information prepared for the Planning Commission meeting it was discussionary I didn't really think much of it. There was no questions about it, so We brought it up at that time so they are available if anyone has any questions Joe Madden we also have a parking consultant ginger Anderson And we have a couple of other individuals under design and construction team okay Thank you,

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:13:40

thank you and now the appellant will have an opportunity to rebut oh

PresenterTom FrancisSimply Ojai this eveningProposedself-stated1:13:55

Okay, so one thing I think that I'd really like to address for a moment is that the project applicants have significant financial resources. Their attorney's here tonight. They've got multiple experts. They got a lot of people to support them in their process right? So the appellants on the other hand, we don't have a lot of money in our organization. We don't have an attorney here tonight. We don't have consultants. What we have is our volunteer power okay and you know I'll just use myself as an example.

I'm not retired at work okay? I have a daughter to raise okay? I'm busy And so I don't have the time, like some retired people or other people that have a lot of discretionary time to bird dog this project from day one to year three or wherever we are now. But what I do have the time for is make, to work with others to make really good suggestions on how to make this project better and I'm tired of being told that we're too late. We're not too late.

We're here today and we've got things to tell you about how to make the project better and you should listen Eric, I really appreciate all you've done for the environment. You have a big leader, you know? You got significant financial resources...

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction1:15:16

Mr.

PresenterTom FrancisSimply Ojai this eveningProposedself-stated1:15:16

Francis,

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction1:15:17

could I ask you to stay on the microphone?

PresenterTom FrancisSimply Ojai this eveningProposedself-stated1:15:20

We need to have this captured for the future. So anyway, Eric, I appreciate you and all you do for the environment Okay and all this stuff that you're talking about the turtle conservancy, the land preserve. All that is really great stuff it's part of what made us want to continue talking to you and continue wanting to continue to pursue to the you know as long as possible some sort of settlement agreement. And so I do want to make the point though that the hotel is a different animal than what's happening on the east end, okay? And what we wanna see is for the hotel to be the best it can be.

So for example there's discussion of the event center so let's talk about the event center for a minute. So there's the event center and then there's an outdoor area that they call spillover, the pool area. Okay so the present proposal, and this is where the loss of self-parking mostly happens, is to move the wall out in the pool area to the street and take out 11 self parking spaces that have been there for decades. So there is a very simple way to bring back self parking if applicants want to okay? And that is to not expand the pool area, which would reduce the intensity of use, which would be a good thing. And you get 11 to 12 parking spaces that people won't have trouble finding. So this assertion that people are gonna be circling around looking for a parking space is a joke, okay?

The truth is there's 11 spaces there right now that can stay if they want them to stay. And that would provide self-parking and balance out this thing where we have valet only. And if people are not valet kind of people, they're just gonna go on the street. I mean regardless, people are gonna park on the street no matter what whether there's some self parking or not but let's provide some self parking for those that want it. Those that wanna go in and don't wanna go through the whole ceremony of valet parking.

So regarding the gray water okay? Again I'm not sure why this was not submitted to the Planning Commission sooner, but it's here tonight. It's great that they have some up you know they've paid for a consultant to do work on Greywater. I don't see how staff can evaluate that and provide a meaningful response to that in two hours because I think it came in at three o'clock so one thing you could do is Carve that one out to a partial approval and allow staff an opportunity to evaluate their plan, respond to it, and see if it needs to be made better or if it might just be great. But I don't understand why we wouldn't at least allow staff an opportunity to take a look at it.

Again, we're not asserting that the hotel shouldn't open due to the fact that Ojai has water supply constraints. And I don't want this to get mixed up and lost in the shuffle. What we're asserting is you guys need to be honest, get honest about what's going on with our water and make that resolution reflect geophysical reality and the study that's been provided to us by Casitas Water District which is the water purveyor for the hotel.

Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:18:39

Thank you. All right, now it'll be the Council have the opportunity to ask questions of staff, applicant or appellant. Go ahead

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:18:47

Susan. This is for Mr. Summers I think.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction1:18:50

Mayor just I would suggest taking the public comment before the questions. Okay.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:18:58

We'll go ahead and take public comment. We have 21 here and 46 on Zoom, so... Are we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:19:04

going to limit the

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:19:05

comments? So I'm going to request that the council limits it to two minutes. Okay.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:19:14

Okay,

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:19:16

all right well let's start we'll begin with and this is shuffle them make it fair

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction1:19:27

Mayor I'd suggest starting with the ones in person then

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:19:29

yes. Yes, okay We'll start with summer McComas and then Cindy Convery and then Patrick Lee Bach Summer

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction1:19:39

Did I hear a consensus for two

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:19:41

minutes? Yeah. Oh, sorry. Two minutes. Yep. I heard these guys. Yes. Yes. Okay.

CommentSummer McComasProposedself-stated1:19:52

Hello everybody Good evening. My name is Summer McComas I have been a resident of the Ojai Valley since 1989, a long-standing local business owner I have raised my daughter here as a single mother as well has been an active community member for the past 20 years. I have served on Various community organizations from the PTA president at Topatopa Elementary to serving on our board of our local softball league, to co-founding Miners Oaks Business and Artists Association and currently the Ojai Chamber Board President.

I am in favor that the Alburo Blar Hotel to reopen with all of the updates improvements they have made to be current with the local zoning and planning requirements This is not a new hotel They are reopening the original Hotel of Hawaii. And the only reason there is an issue with parking that they have solved perfectly, is to be updated with the current permitted laws.

The Oaks was grandfathered in after these laws were already put in place. I feel valley parking will be a perfect solution to reducing the amount of visitors that do not know our area trying to find parking on their own creating more congestion. In my personal experience, when I have valeted my car at a hotel or say an amusement park, Universal Studios. That encourages me to walk or use other means of transportation such as our trolley, biking or just walking. As pulling out my car at a valley is much more of a pain.

Going through the parking plans they will not be taking public parking spaces on the streets or in the residential areas. Their employees will be parking in an off-site location and walking to work leaving their cars off the road for six to eight hours in a lot that they have purchased for this exact reason. And having two or three valley drivers during peak times parking cars on site, or if needed off-site and privately owned lots that are just right behind the building not crossing Ojai Avenue will reduce the amount of people driving taking up public spots or parking in front of homes in the residential areas behind the hotel.

This lot has been used for parking in the past this part has not been used for parking in the past Thank You summer is not taking any current spots away from our community, but in fact open up more spots for love

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:22:23

Okay. Thank you summer okay next we have Cindy Convery then Patrick Lee Bach and then Brian Akins and uh if you call could just keep an eye when the red light goes on and

CommentCindy ConveryProposedself-stated1:22:35

For the red light. I'll talk fast. Hi, I'm Cindy Convery, you know me. I'm HPC Historic Preservation Commissioner and I first saw this project 27 months ago with Mayor Sticks. We were invited to look at the review. I was very hesitant about it. We talked about it. Mayor Sticks, sorry about that, and I after the meeting And we had a conversation about how it would go through the process and be subjected to changes, which is what it did over 27 months. And I attended the Planning Commission meetings. I was very involved with historic preservation and I did not see the appellates at any of those meetings. They appeared recently, which I find very strange because they had all the opportunities over the last 27 months to make their voices heard To see the changes it's gone through.

to see the parking changes, and the Planning Commission did a lot of work. And they worked with the El Roblar owners to really dial it in and to get it right. And the thing that makes me feel much more comfortable about it is that I know there will be reviews in place. My concern are the events like weddings every Friday and Saturday night. I'll hear them from my backyard but I know I'm gonna call one of the owners and I'm gonna tell him, you know, that's a problem for me and I think I'll be heard. So I really feel that these owners who have deep expertise in what they're doing are the right owners and they've been, you know, incredibly patient and incredibly willing to do the work to get it right. We worked very hard with Historic Preservation to get the design option, the right choice for that property in this place for the standards of interior.

And the chair of HPC is sitting right here. I think he'll back me up on that. Just an aside whenever I went to the Oaks, I did have to park on the street because there were no parking places for people in town You know go get a manicure. I had to drive around and find a place to park So just saying you know, it's not about Valley parking It's just the way it is And frankly, I don't want people coming from out of town and looking around to find a parking place I want them to be put away in their own parking place so Because when I was driving here tonight, I was on Elisa and Ventura. And some guy with an Orange County license plate made a U-turn right in front of me in the intersection because he didn't know where he was going. So thank you.

I want that guy to hand his keys to somebody who does know where they're going. It's a safe issue. These are safety issues. People come from out of town, and I don't even want to talk about that. Thank you, Cindy. Three minutes? No. It says I still have 43 seconds. Am I over? I'll go. Anyway, you heard me. Thanks. Thank You

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:25:25

Cindy Next we have Patrick Liebach And then Brian Aikens and then Bill Miley

CommentPatrick LiebachProposedself-stated1:25:32

Thank You got my name about right? My family can't agree on it either so we're good Hi, I'm Patrick Liebach resident of the city of Ojai I am not associated with either the developers of the project or with an appellant and I speak merely as an interested citizen I encourage the City Council to accept Manager Vega's recommendation and affirm the Planning Commission's approval of the Hotel El Robar.

I offer this statement in support both of the substance of this specific project, and as a procedural matter in support of the city using appropriate process to consider development decisions. Substantively, the proposed site for the hotel has been a hotel longer than any of us has been alive and it is unfortunate that such a prime property with the potential to generate revenue and create jobs is currently vacant. This is not a proposal to convert open space into commercial property. This is an instance where highly experienced and locally based developers will renew an existing commercial property that is currently unused and that I support.

On the procedural aspect, anyone reviewing any development proposal can nitpick specific aspects of the design and that is why the city has a standing planning commission to comprehensively and publicly review such proposals. The Planning Commission reviewed this project through a series of public meetings with ample opportunity for public input and after sending the project proponents back to the drawing board several times, the commission approved the project approximately a year-and-a-half after the initial permit application was filed.

And I find it disconcerting that this process could be upset by a last-minute appeal by an opaque legal entity that does not cite specific objections to the project at issue, that does not even allege appellant would experience any specific harm from the project. I read nothing about parking in the appeal. Regardless of the merits of any objection that could be raised for this project, which to be clear have not been raised in the appeal here, the council would do a disservice to the citizens of Ojai by allowing the appellant to use this forum to subvert the public process that the appellant failed to avail themselves So I support residents having a voice including a dissenting voice regarding development decisions. I want the city to be thoughtful about how it pursues or allows development, but that's only achieved through appropriate process in this case of Planning Commission review So I encourage the council to adopt manager Vegas recommendation and move ahead with ratifying the Planning Commission's decision to allow the hotel Thank you Patrick

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:27:42

your name once more your last name

CommentPatrick LiebachProposedself-stated1:27:44

yeah certainly lie back Spelled L-E-I-B-A-C-H.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:27:49

Thank you, Patrick. Next we have Brian Akins then Bill Miley and then Chris Gardner.

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction1:27:56

Okay, two minutes. I am the chair of the Historic Preservation Commission. As such when we held a special meeting with the applicants on February 28th, we took the time to let the people who were speaking speak as long as they wanted. We only had a few so we were able to give them that. We heard from all sides. We came into that meeting with an open mind I had no idea where people were going to go. I had no idea where I was going to go, but we listened to both sides.

We deliberated. We asked questions. We had Mr. Delvack who just spoke here. He spoke to us again. He looked at his qualifications prior to quoting him at the Planning Commission. I did a bit of a dive on him and found out the extensive experience he has. Two new things that I want to interject. I've been meeting with Tony Thatcher for different things involved with the museum and other things, I met him today because I went out there to talk to him about the downtown historic district proposal so I've talked to him three times in the last two weeks and each of those three times he has pointed out to me That in the 80s, when the El Roblar had events that took place. They hired valets to come in and they parked the cars anywhere they could find a place to park the cars.

Again, that's something Tony Thatcher has re-emphasized it to me three times in the last two weeks. I also want to go back to Terry Hill as part of our code there is a museum representative that's assigned to that. In this case we picked Terry Hill because he was not involved Terry Hill and talking to him. I talked to him for 90 minutes before our meeting He subsequent sent a letter his recommendation number one recommendation was neither Number two recommendation was to go with option number one number three Recommendation was to go to option number two, so I leave that information from those two Devout special individuals with you thank you

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:29:57

Thank You Brian next we have Bill Miley then Chris Gardner and then Larry Steingold okay

Commentmy name is BillProposedself-stated1:30:02

Good evening, my name is Bill Miley. I've lived here since 1968. I participated actively in the Planning Commission meetings about renovation for the development and the discussions were thorough. New page! The owners contracted the Sand Deck Consulting Firm which produced a parking and transportation study and a study of the day use visitors. The event center, which will have a capacity of 150 people. No business in Ojai by city review and approval is required to have their parking for the maximum potential use.

Women's Center, Ojai Playhouse and the others. The city provides street parking and city parking and none of the built facilities have to provide full parking for all the maximum people. Okay, the appellant referenced Casitas Municipal Water District in their public document. The key here is that Casitas is the one that provides the will service letter not the city.

Also, the second and equally important agency which they never referenced is the Ojai Basin Groundwater Management Agency and their sustainable groundwater management plan. And they right now say that it's sustainable, but they never asked, never referenced the agency because they probably don't even know about it. The hotel's water use starts with allocation of the oaks. They refitted it and know what's going down and they do a lot of other good things. Okay. Now I fully support the planning commission please adopt it. And I have one more thing to say But afterwards, I want to.

Register my concern about the lack of transparency by the city allowing the applicant to come in with a second appeal document on Sunday, two days ago which never became widely public and unknown to many people. That is not what I call good transparent government. Thank you.

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:32:14

Thank you Bill.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction1:32:18

I do just want to state that was posted on the website just for the record.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:32:23

Thank you, James. Next, Chris Gardner then Larry Steingold and Richard Camp.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:32:27

Hi, Chris Gardner, City of Ojai. I want to talk about both the project and the process. Regarding the project, I own the property at 204 North Ventura so my property is adjacent to the empty lot that they bought and turned into a proposed parking area. I had some concern. I attended one of the meetings for the Planning Commission. The El Roblar team reached out to me. I went toward the site.

We had a very good conversation, they agreed to put some mitigations in place. I found it very reasonable. It's not perfect but it's much better than creating a new bowling alley through another couple of years of delay so I support the project as its approved by the Planning Commission Regards to the process, the appeal to me seems unreasonable. Concerned about the tactics which seem pretty much designed to delay this process. As far as I know Simply Ojai has not participated in a public process now they just want to disrupt it.

Who are these people? Megan Bergfist filed the appeal, Leslie Hess wrote a follow-up. Both are officers of Simply Ojai as well as another group called Mindful Citizen that's working on a new petition to ban valet parking as another delay tactic. Many ways these groups are reincarnation of something that used to be called Ojai First. Likely they have some of the same members, they hire the same PR consultants probably the same lawyers Tom Francis who was here today he was mentioned in appeal comes to mind as someone from the past As you recall, I spoke out pretty violently against the tactics of Ojai First. They are associated with aggressive media attacks, vandalism, spying on neighbors and finally the DroneGate episode that saw an organic farming business chased from town.

Ojai First members donated money and services to several council campaigns some of which went unreported. Now we have simply Ojai Mindful Citizen They have family members that used to be on council, they have officers contributed $2,000 to fund a council member's campaign. Who are they? What do they want? I hope these groups will reveal themselves and let us know who they are. Meanwhile, I urge the Council consider the dozens of citizens who have participated in this public discourse and demand transparency from some of these organizations that seem intent on corrupting the process.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:34:52

Thank you. Next we have Larry Steingle, then Richard Camp and then Don

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:35:02

Beale. Thank you. I got to talk fast. I now know these people who I've never met before so if I run over them I know who you are and the other people. I think the whole thing is bogus. This is a great project. These people should be furious. Listening to this man's bio regarding water and earth and everything else he should be livid And that's just the beginning.

Ever? Where, when? That's a red herring. The environmental impact is a red herring. The building has been there for 100 years. There's nothing new. They're using less water. They're going to use less electric. Parking? They own the lots! They control the lots. They control their own parking. If zoning required more parking they'd have to get more lots. But where was that for Rancho Inn? Did anybody see the leases? They don't have valet parking, so now there are going to be people going all over the place.

Over by the church and over by Rancho Inn. So I support the project, you should support the project, the public should support the project and whoever these people are they better be at this school committee meeting tomorrow regarding the Chaparral land if they're really interested

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:36:31

in it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:36:33

Because there's seven and a half acres there that's going to get developed. And if you really have a piece of it, get there. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:36:39

Thank you Larry. Richard Kemp is next. Then Don Theding

PresenterRichard KempJoan Kemper's Ojai Performing Arts TheaterProposedself-stated1:36:45

and then Joan Kemper. Hi everybody I'm Richard Kemp. I am the Artistic Director of Joan Kemper's Ojai Performing Arts Theater. I'm the former Artistic Director of the Arts Center Theater. I wholeheartedly support the opening of the Oluwabar Hotel because I believe in tradition and in preserving the history of our town. I am sensitive to the remarkable heritage that many of our structures embody, and feel fortunate that our community treasures that heritage.

For instance, when I was at the Arts Center it encompassed the 80th anniversary of that theater so I went back and found out what play opened that theater in 1939 and I revived it in 2019. It was a lovely way to honor and tie together the theater's heritage. Now in the same vein, I was researching the hotel and I found this lovely little 12-word sentence. It became a popular dining destination in the 1940s What a lovely little and delicious thought that is. And for those who might say that the hotel wants to depart from our small town sensitivity and sensibility, I would say that the owners are doing best to return the hotel to the respect and popularity it enjoyed in the past while looking at the future.

Shops would certainly get a boost, and it probably would have a trickle-down effect on the existing restaurants. And I'm excited about that for a personal reason. I hike every Tuesday with friends, and we try to find a restaurant that's open on Tuesday, and it's a real challenge! So the trickle-down effect would maybe encourage them to open with new visitors.

But seriously businesses and patrons feed off of each other To illustrate the point, I will use a theater example. Audiences feed off the actors but the actors also feed off the audience. The more people in the audience, the more energy generated resulting in more and louder laughs on the comic lines, more empathy and tears for the tragic lines. You can actually feel that energy in the house. It's just so exciting when that happens and that symbiotic reciprocity makes it a wonderfully richer experience, just as the vitality of this new hotel will most assuredly enliven the dynamic of our town. I look forward to sharing that energy and sincerely hope that the owners will be allowed to bring that excitement home.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:39:07

Thank you Richard. Next we have Dawn Feeding, then Joan Kemper and then Tina Brumund.

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CommentTina BrumundProposed · by introduction1:39:33

I'd actually like to begin with a point of order. I have become aware that there exists a four-page memo from architectural resources group ARG In response to public comments from the April 6th Planning Commission meeting, these included my comments in the form of a nine-page report that addresses technical legal and report issues regarding the design options for this hotel.

ARG's memo has not been provided to the public. ARGs memo was not in the staff reports. Therefore, it would be wholly inappropriate this evening to approve design number one. This information has not been provided to the public. Regarding design number one, design number one proposes to add a second arcade near the historic Ojai Arcade. Adding an arcade under design option one diminishes the significance of the existing landmark arcade and does not return Hotel Arroblar to its original design roots, the stated intent of this project.

An arcade is a series of arches carried by columns. The Ojai Arcade is unique, its purpose was to hide unsightly storefronts. The arcade is comprised of 24 arches and design option one proposes to add 13 arches. Adding a second arcade near the existing historic arcade would diminish the existing arcade as seen in the second page of your handout. This concern was acknowledged by the majority of the planning commissioners.

The original building never had an arcade or even arches in the original building design matters because Hotel al Roble art is historic It is a contributing resource to the state-designated downtown, Ojai historic district This is a hearing de novo which means you are hearing the information anew and that you have discretion both designs The applicant said they can accept. Both designs offer a covered walkway, support private balconies and offer shade.

Design two is compatible with the original design consistent with historic preservation standards downtown design and doesn't diminish. So please vote separately on the front facade design. And please vote to approve Design Option 2 or vote to continue this item, to allow for appropriate dissemination of new information. Thank you.

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CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction1:42:11

The memorandum from Architecture Resources Group, which is in the form of a letter from Architecture Resources Group to Community Development Director Lucas Siebert was received this afternoon. Thus it was not in the staff report and it was provided at the council and the public. It's on the city's website and it responds to in part two comments raised by Ms. Teeting in her letters of both May 10th which was also provided to the council and the public through the city's website. And her prior letter, I believe May 6th or I'm sorry April 6th which was in the Planning Commission packet. No, I'm sorry not in Planning Commission packet but on the city's website and in this packet. So the information has been provided to the public. Thank you.

Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:42:52

Next?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:42:53

That's what I was gonna ask for a clarification. Okay

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:42:56

next we have Joan Kemper then Tina Brumund and then Bob Kemper

CommentJoan KemperProposedself-stated1:43:03

Good evening. I am Joan Kemper and I have been a friend of Eric Goodes for 20 years, and he and I during that 20 years talked about lots of projects problems and things going on in Ojai and it was much to my betterment. I like to do fun projects around the city and so on and you probably realize that In the meantime, after Thomas Fire we were all breathing smoke-filled air. We all were breathing smoke-filled air and wondering what in the world was going to happen? We were lucky the city was still standing but we worried when we heard the hotel was going to be for sale and we worried because who was gonna come and what was gonna happen? Who is going to rebuild it? It needed rebuilding And I think that everybody in this room and everybody that's listening to me and everybody in the valley should thank their lucky stars.

That an Ojai person, namely Eric who came about and he was able he and his group were able to buy this property And had the means to buy it and the foresight to see what had to be done and the plans to see. Much has been said about how gorgeous the hotel is going to be, I'm not going to get into that but I'm going to say we are so lucky that we have him here who's willing to go through all this month after month meeting after meeting dollar after dollar or millions after millions And I think we need this hotel. After three years it's been closed, we need this hotel and so I beg, I urge the City Council to reconfirm the Planning Commission's LROBAR plan approval so that we can get on with this work. They have lots to do as you know AC plumbing everything.

You've heard all this from all the experts and I'm not one of them But we need to keep going on this. We need this hotel to reopen, and selfishly as one of the oldest people in the village I would like to be here when it opens so I do hope I'm around to see it open. So let's keep moving!

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:45:21

That's a living

CommentJoan KemperProposedself-stated1:45:21

treasure.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:45:22

Tina

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:45:23

and then Bob Kemper and

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:45:25

then

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:45:25

Michael Addison

CommentTina BroomandProposedself-stated1:45:34

I'm Tina Broomand and I'm here tonight to ask the City Council to take a deeper look at the Planning Commission recommendation and unintended consequences of approving the El Robilar Hotel expansion. The increase in guest rooms, expansion of event center, two-story addition are beyond the scope of the building business that was there previously occupying this footprint. The reliance of off-site valet parking to enable the expanded development are beyond the scope of the reports presented by the applicant, for instance, the traffic report.

This is frustrating to read a traffic study provided to planning which indicates a one net car increase in daily travel. This report is not worth the paper it's written on and any fancy LA movie person can buy any report they want from any person that they want to say whatever they want. That's the way America is working right now, right? They spin their proposal and this project of what's being approved is not adequately captured in the planning department scrutiny of this project.

Do we remember Jersey Mike's? Jersey Mike's even though we had an existing no chain operation, no chain law guess who didn't realize that that was actually a chain? Who didn't realize it? A bunch of people on the planning department and a bunch of people in city council same thing is happening here Did anyone Google these developers? This is not a like-for-like hotel replacement. Not at all. This project, the Oaks was a three star hotel. Did any of you do any investigation to figure out what is the draw difference between a five star hotel and a three star hotel? Did any of those reports mention anything about that? No! You guys are all approving this stuff and approving it without asking the deeper questions. There is nuance in here. These people right here are famous for creating exceptional institutions, exceptional bars and nightclubs, exceptional hotels.

We are not talking about the dude who's quality in Camarillo just burnt to the ground that's not what we're talking about not one bit and for this investigation to not be deeper look As a community person that's involved, I have to go to a Planning Commission meeting. I have to go to an Ojai City Council meeting. I have to go to a MAC meeting and I have go to Ventura County Supervisors' meeting just to keep on top of all this. They can spin this any way they want. They're movie people. Don't believe it!

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:48:04

Thank you Tina. I'm going to ask the audience to please have some decorum and civility and respect for all people. And a reminder that the finger pointing is the problem, so if we could all learn to get along and listen to each other out of respect. Thank you. Okay next we have Bob Kemper, Michael Addison, and Leslie Hess.

CommentBob KemperProposedself-stated1:48:34

Before we start my clock, I've got a signed petition that I'd like to put into the record if I could. This was signed by 26 business owners or managers in the arcade this afternoon all in support of the parking and the El Roblar. So my name is Bob Kemper. I live at 172 El Camino Drive and I'm here in support of the approval of the hotel I've lived here for 25 years. I am appalled at this process. I am appalled at what has happened in the last couple weeks to try to put this project, uh, to delay it further. There are not many buyers who would make this purchase. The restoration is incredibly expensive due to the age of the hotel and getting through our planning commission, thank God, is not an easy task. Um, the Cluffs were lucky enough to find a group who would purchase this hotel and maintain the historic features, and they have a strong environmental impact and focus on the community as you've heard.

They've developed a fully conforming business plan that has now been unanimously approved by the Planning Commission. They have increased available parking in fact actually added nine net spaces They're going to bring significant revenue into the city, tax revenues into the local retail outlets. It'll be another hotel for friends and family to stay at in its downtown walk-to everything no driving necessary. The local merchants desperately need the tourist revenue as do their restaurants and we need these places open We have this group that's ready, willing and able. So why are we even here? The reason we are here is that we do have in this town a new group of people who would rather kill our town than deal with the challenge of progress and controlled change.

These people want to shut Ojai down with preferably no hotels, no restaurants, no bars, no tennis tournament, no music festival, no nothing, no kidding. That's not the Ojai I want. I want a vibrant, live community with options for restaurants, theater, music all surrounded by our environmental oasis. We have the votes to approve that. That's not why I'm here. I'm here to encourage all Ojai residents to please review the candidates in November very carefully who we select will have major impact on this community. We need to save Ojai. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:51:11

Next we have Michael Addison, then Leslie Hess and then Griff Barkley.

CommentMichael AddisonProposedself-stated1:51:18

Hello, my name is Michael Addison. I've lived in Ojai for the past 11 years but I have pretty deep Ventura County roots. My family moved to Ventura in 1951 from South Africa escaping apartheid and my parents were deeply engaged in that community until their death. When I moved here, I became engaged in this community as I have elsewhere where I've lived. I've served as a member of the board and president of the Ojai Education Foundation and for eight years on the Ojai Arts Commission.

And what I love about Ojai stems from my first experience of Ojai when I was in high school in Ventura, I managed to land a job as a lifeguard at Matiloha Pool in the summer this was in the early 50's and one of those summers And God knows why I did this, I also managed to land a job as a busboy at the Oaks Hotel. And I would hitchhike down from Matiloha Pool—I didn't have a car—at the end of my shift there and then work for five or six hours at The Oaks and then hitchhike back up to Matilija where I had a bunk.

And that was my experience of The Oaks, a vibrant hub within the community with people both visiting Either as tourists or as family members of local residents, or people in Ojai just enjoying a night out at a lovely restaurant and a bar. That has been missing in this community for the past three years. And the diligence of the Planning Commission and the work that has gone into this by those who are proposing this is to be applauded, as is this process of a public airing of an appeal that frankly I think is very flimsy. And I hope the commission will recognize the validity of what's been proposed, the changes that have been incorporated in that and bring this treasure back into our community by approving the proposal. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:53:32

Thank You Michael Next we have Leslie Hess then Griff Barkley and then Drew Mashburn

PresenterLeslie HessIRS and you can look it up on Charity Navigator and it will be thereProposedself-stated1:53:39

Good evening my name is Leslie Hess. I'm on the board of directors of Simply Ojai which is a registered nonprofit with the IRS and you can look it up on Charity Navigator and it will be there. There is no conspiracy there's no connection with any other group. We appealed this planning commission decision because it is the only option available to members of the public if they believe that the unelected Planning Commission made an unsound decision There are a lot of people that live in Ohio who are very concerned about the flimsy parking plan for the El Roblor Hotel even the lawyer earlier in his letter.

Admitted that the parking leases, the lease and the sublease could be terminated with quote a 12 month notice to terminate which is ample time for the applicant to obtain other parking. Where is there another parking lot within the 500 foot radius required by our municipal code? So That's the problem. And I think you will find that a lot of people in the public are having a problem with that.

Thank you for listening.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:55:12

Thank you Leslie. Next we have Griff Barkley then Drew Mashburn and then Barbara Bowman

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CommentGriff BarkleyProposedself-stated1:55:21

Howdy, I'm Griff Barkley born and raised in Ventura County. Went to high school in Ojai moved away and came back and have moved my family back here of three daughters that go to school here in Ojai. Frankly this is one of the most beautiful projects in downtown Ojai that I've seen and I wholeheartedly support the project as proposed The tactics that I'm seeing are kind of, unfortunately you know I understand why they would bring something up like this to try to stop this but it's unfathomable.

They have, I've developed projects in Ventura County and I know how hard it is to get projects approved These gentlemen have been very patient. They have worked diligently their sustainability efforts the I'm a downtown business owner in Ojai, and I'm darn excited to get some walking traffic through town I don't think this is going to create any extra Traffic in fact, I think it's gonna improve traffic by creating the I Thank you, Griff. Next we have Drew Mashburn and then Barbara Bowman and then Wendy Hilgers

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CommentDrew MashburnProposedself-stated1:56:57

Hi, my name is Drew Mashburn. I'm a day short of being a 71-year Ojai Valley native. Can't believe that! I presently live in Miners Oaks but I've lived within Ojai City limits at several different locations over the years. I am not all opposed to letting the storied Hotel El Roblox reopen. I'd like to see it reopened. It's storied because it has history behind it.

Therefore, its historical aspects need to be safeguarded by those of us that so enjoy our treasured old buildings and other old structures in our unique downtown business district. Edward Drummond Libby's vision of the main downtown block was one that was graced by the arches of the arcade pergola and the post office which he had built before The Ojai Inn, which is now the Hotel El Roblar. I suspect had Mr. Libby desired arches to run along the south facade of the hotel he would have instructed his architects, Meade and Requa, to include them in the design. He did not do so.

I believe this was for the purpose of not diminishing the uniqueness of the arches in his special trifecta of the Arcade Pergolim Post Office. The State of California has designated our downtown as the Downtown Ojai Historic District and included the Hotel Arroobar as a historic resource in that district. The city is in the process of developing their own downtown historic district, that to my understanding will be larger than the state's. Bravo!

Because of these designations, I feel the buildings and structures within them must be true to form as the original design. Therefore, I cannot support Design Option 1 with its, in my opinion, Taco Bell look. Along the south facade of the hotel, I do support design option two which is more what Libby Mead and Requa envisioned. I realize the Historic Preservation Commission and the Planning Commission have spent considerable time making their suggestions and recommendations to the City Council but the two commissions in my opinion have made a humongous mistake concerning design options one and two. I support design option two. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction1:59:18

Thank You Drew. Next we have Barbara Bowman then Wendy Hilgers and then Tom Francis

CommentTom FrancisProposed · by introduction1:59:31

Well, a lot has been said tonight. Barbara Bowman's happy to be here and add a little bit more to it. I think we should talk about some fiduciary responsibility. And one of them is that the fact that they have not been collecting any tote taxes. All these delays are making that tote tax not coming into the city that much longer. And I think with them having to fund a $7 million mandatory state pension, at the rate they're going it's gonna take them 70 years to pay it off unless they take the next five years and devote all of that tote to that mandatory pension, but as long as you keep delaying this and throwing up obstacles which aren't real that don't exist You delay that tax coming in the last two years has been a tremendous amount lost What do they figure a million five a year?

That's a lot of money to the state And that's a huge amount to the city, to pay off their debt. So I mean everything else has been thrown up as a red herring, I agree and that's been repeated. The parking, the water it's ridiculous, it's silly. It was the last thing, a memo? If I stay here all night I'm sure there'll be three or four new things dreamt up but this hotel needs to get open and it needs to be able to start rebuilding and anybody that holds it up again how many more red herrings can we come up with I mean, this is ridiculous. None of the other applicants years ago ever went through this with a hotel. They never went through this. We all know that. I mean, the Clefs never had to go through any of this even when Dave Brewery did the front of the hotel.

So perhaps that's because you weren't mayor then. I don't know. But anyway, thank you.

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:01:16

Thank you Barbara. Next we have Wendy Hilgers, then Tom Francis and then Vicki Carlton-Byrne.

CommentVicki Carlton-ByrneProposed · by introduction2:01:34

Thanks so much for the opportunity. I just wanted to tell a little story in December 1968 we received a call from a shirt tail relative and oh hi who lived on a ranch, they had major damage due to the storms. We were in the process, in vista of growing flowers. We also were damaged and trying to think what to do. So we agreed. We bought a dump truck, a tractor, and a trailer. And in January 1969, we moved on to the ranch. We lived there and worked there for over a year-and-a-half. When that work was done, we moved down into town, found a rental. And shortly after, a few years or so, we found a house where we still live on Park Road. And after that, my husband worked to try to establish himself beyond the work we had done before. And he became a friend, a long lifetime friend of Mel Krogh who invited us into his welding shop.

I worked there and Mel helped Chris to work with him and for him, introduced him to so many people around town. And that was the start of Chris's solitary career which was great. Obviously at that time we didn't have much time and we certainly didn't have much money, but one of the things we absolutely loved was when they told us about the Oaks Hotel. How you could...the community was involved in that it was a welcoming place and we would go there very happily with many friends meeting the people who stayed or friends were there Her dancing and listening to Lynn Hanson and Debbie Cowgill singing, we did that many times. Loved it! Always felt welcome there. We talked to people. My husband loved to visit with people. Met people who were staying there.

We would often see as we walked around town some of those people who were staying at the hotel. Absolutely loved it. And I think the greatest thing about it was that we always felt welcome there, we could go in and look at the beautiful artwork, have a drink or visit friends who were staying there. Anyway, I think that's just what if my husband were standing right here he would say this, we are so lucky to have this group of people they are the A team.

That would be Chris. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:03:54

Next we have Tom Francis, then Vicki Carlton-Byrne and then Kathy Clough.

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction2:04:00

Madam Mayor my strong recommendation will be that Mr. Francis having spoken as the appellant's representative does not get a second bite of the apple Thank

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you

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction2:04:15

He elected to speak as the appellant's representative instead of his public commenter and certainly had plenty of time

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:04:24

Vicki Carlton Byrne and then Kathy Clough. There's one that's unsigned if anybody is still waiting. Vicki? No, okay. Kathy Clough?

PresenterKathy CluffOaks at OjaiProposedself-stated2:04:48

Hello. I'm Kathy Cluff, the former president and CEO of the Oaks at Ojai. And I'd like to give a little background on the operations just to provide some comparisons to the El Roblar. I had 125 employees. We operated 24-7, 365 for over 40 years with little to no negative impact on Ojai The majority of our guests came from LA by car. We had a two-night minimum stay, we had 49 guest rooms three of which we converted to treatment rooms and we have an 80 seat dining room Unlike the typical hotel, destination spas like the Oaks sell a program not a room. This leads to an interesting practice that destination spas do which is room sharing. We put two strangers in a room that is a double occupancy. The system works surprisingly well and it allowed us to accommodate up to 90 guests a night This did mean that for each shared room, two cars traveled into Ojai.

When it came to selling the oaks I heard from an outpouring of interested parties locally throughout the U.S. and internationally. It was almost hard to keep up with it. Some of the guidelines that we used for the selection were, will they provide jobs for locals? Will they supply significant bed tax to the city? Are they interested in preserving some of the historic beauty that we loved?

Ramin and his group fulfilled all of that, actually more. They had skin in the game. They were local. They had kids growing up here. We even turned down a larger monetary offer from another party because they missed those points. Needless to say, that party was not only upset but surprised. What I have not heard in the multitude of meetings on the El Roblar project is that it will diversify the city's income stream. Right now, all the golden eggs are in one basket, that of the Ojai Valley Inn.

They're the only significant revenue source for the city. Thankfully right now we have them. Everyone knows it is not fiscally prudent to have a city dependent upon one business The El Roblar stands to bring in around $90,000 a month in taxes collected from tourists to support mostly us locals. Their money goes to help us. Thank you, Kathy. Can I just end it? Sure.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:07:38

Yeah.

PresenterKathy CluffOaks at OjaiProposedself-stated2:07:40

I just wanted to say that we the Clough family, we have given significant time, money and resources to Ojai. And I expect the El Roblar group will continue that partnership with the city if you let them. Thank you.

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:08:00

Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak who didn't sign? Steve?

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction2:08:08

And as he comes to the podium, I'll caution the Planning Commission Chair to be cautious of your remarks as the matter might be remanded back to the Planning Commission and thereby to not prejudge anything that would be decided but you can speak is for the past freely

CommentI'm Steve QuillacyProposedself-stated2:08:21

Is it okay if I speak to the appeal or the basis of the appeal?

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction2:08:28

Because the matter might be remanded back to the Planning Commission, I would recommend not commenting on that. You'll have a role in that position in that category if the matters are made with Planning Commission which is perhaps unlikely but possible.

CommentI'm Steve QuillacyProposedself-stated2:08:40

Okay For the record, I'm Steve Quillacy. I'm currently chair of the Planning Commission but that could change in another month. I think we have elections coming. I urge you to approve the decision of the Historic Preservation Commission and the decision of the Planning Commission on this case. I have heard a lot of misstatements tonight And I have to say that I think a lot of them come from ignorance of the process and the testimony that we've heard in the past.

Ms. Hess, Mr. Francis and Ms. Berkvist Never appeared at any Planning Commission meeting. I don't know if they ever showed up at an HPC meeting, but I think that some of the misstatements that have been dumped on you tonight have come from a lack of understanding of the process that this case has already been through and I urge you all to pay more attention to the process and the extensive public comment It has already taken place in the Historic Preservation Commission meeting and in multiple Planning Commission meetings. And I urge you to approve this, and by that deny the appeal. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:10:07

Thank you Steve. Gail do we have any public comments on Zoom?

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction2:10:29

Madam Mayor, I might suggest if we use this opportunity to ask anyone on Zoom who wants to speak to raise their hand using the raised hand feature so won't know who the cue is there.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:10:38

Okay first we have John Merck and then Jamie Help me, okay. And then Sean. Okay. John? Good evening,

CommentJohn MerckProposedself-stated2:10:55

yeah. I'm John Merck, Mayor Sticks, Council Members and Mr. Quillacy and everybody's here tonight. I also wanted to acknowledge Joan Kemper and Wendy Hilgers. I think they've done more for this city than the rest of us combined in this room. I live on Sunset Place, and I was a planning commissioner for 20 years. And I just want to say, you know, a city is a living thing. It has to evolve. It has to adapt and change. And this project looks spectacular to me in terms of how well it's going to do for the city. And urge you to approve it and let the developers get on with their business.

Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:11:46

Thank you, John. Next we have Jamie... I can't start with a P. Peeven? Sorry. It's James Polson, I think. Okay, James Polson. Yeah.

GuestJames PolsonTreasurerProposedself-stated2:12:01

Sorry and I'll be brief. I'm James Polson. I am CFO at Thatcher and also treasurer at the Senior Canyon Water Company I've had the pleasure of working with Mr. Good and Jeremy McBride for a number of years and You know, I just feel like this is kind of a no-brainer That this is so good for the town and I don't understand why they're going through these issues and I say that only because I've gone through these issues in the past with different bodies like yours, but it's just super tough to watch. So anyways, I appreciate it.

I know it's super tough on your side of the desk, but from where I sit, it is a no-brainer.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:12:54

Thank you. Thank you James. Next we have Sean Alashant.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:13:01

Council for all your time and all this you went through tonight. We really appreciate all this I wanted to start with 32 years of experience on the property What we can start with parking parking has been an issue with Open to the public where it's not controlled by valet. We never tried valet when I worked at the property over the 32 years, but it would have been a great help because we would have people park into the parking lot to go to the Rubens burrito back in the day or Go shopping go to the movie theater go across the street to the restaurant that now I forgot the new name of the restaurant But anyways, we would have guests show up and there was no parking We'd have to unload their luggage and then show them how to park on the back street when it was a limited parking in some areas.

So, it would be great for a guest to show up to a quality hotel and have a parking space ready for them and to walk away from their car and to bring up the point that Lady brought up earlier you can put their car away and they don't have to drive in circles and search for a parking space that someone else took that's not even a registered guest at the hotel.

And far as water goes, from day one Ramin has reached out to me and said hey let's shut the sprinklers down as much as we can. We had them running prior I think three times a week to keep everything lush but we've hand-watered everything now and reduced a lot they're going to reduce even more with their drought tolerant resistant landscaping And then again, this is drug out for almost three years. Can you imagine people bring up they have the financial means to do this and they can hire all these people and these experts because they're responsible they've done things to become financially In the position they're in to do this great hotel, and he's got a look at it on their side too. This is a with the inflation and everything that's happened over the last two years, they're going to absorb like a 30 to 40% increase in this whole project lumber materials.

Everything labor. You know, you have to be able to pay the bills. This has to pencil out. So this thing needs...this project needs to be approved and to move forward. And we appreciate your time. I think it's time to move forward with this project as soon as we can. Thank you so much.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:15:12

Thank you, Sean. Next, we have Ivana Karopulczyk maybe? And then Matt Goodwin, I believe. Ivana? Nope. Hi.

CommentMatt GoodwinProposedself-stated2:15:31

Thank you, Council. My name is Matt Goodwin. I just want to express my support like many other people tonight. I think just reiterating what a lot of people said, you are talking about an existing hotel that has been there for 100 years that we really cannot emphasize enough the stewards and locals of this property who are bringing it to life and have gone through three years of good city and public discourse to get it to this point.

I think it's very easy to throw out these red herrings as everyone is saying, but this team has a group of actual specialists and technical analysts as well as their own experience through environmental conservation. So the notion of water use and natural resources through the redevelopment of this property, I would look to them for their expertise not coming in here and throwing out something without any basis.

In addition to that, the parking notion. The whole intent of Valet is to be more efficient and more sustainable. And I mean you can hear the previous gentleman who's worked there for 30 years who would have begged for it. So I think looking at the facts, looking at the property, looking at the stewards and the process as this has already gone, it's kind of a no-brainer to support this project and move forward with the approval. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:16:40

Thank you Matt. All right that's it for public comment now we'll go to Zoom on public comment?

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction2:16:47

So I see three people on Zoom who have their hands raised. If there's anyone else in the Zoom room who would like to speak, please use the raise hand function now and I will start calling on the people who do have their hand raised. First we have Craig Walker. Mr. Walker if you're there you can go ahead and speak. You're muted. There you go okay

CommentCraig WalkerProposed2:17:11

I want to state up front that I fully appreciate and I support the reopening of the El Roblar Hotel. My only request is that you approve design option number two as a condition of your approval of this project. As you know, the State of California recently listed downtown Ojai on the California Register of Historic Places. The El Roblar Hotel is a historic building and a historic resource for the state, the city and possibly even the nation.

Simply put it should be treated like one over the years, the arcade post office pergola and Catholic church have all been faithfully restored to their former glory giving up by one of the most beautiful and historic civic centers in the country. Why would we not want the remodel of the El Roblar facade to also be consistent with its historic design? Yes, historic commercial buildings sometimes need to be upgraded. No one objects to the new owners adding a second floor balcony that will add space to the upstairs rooms, but that can and should be done in a way that preserves the historic character of the building.

The historic consultant hired by the city to review the project found that design option number two meets all accepted standards for historic rehabilitation, while design option number one does not. Design one adds a new inappropriate historical feature along our cave that is inconsistent with the original design of the hotel and competes with the historic arcade in the next block. The consultant found that option number two is more consistent with accepted standards of historic rehabilitation.

The applicant submitted two facade designs, option number one and option number two at the planning commission meeting they said they could make either option work. Option number two the pergola design could be planted with wisteria or bougainvillea vines

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:19:16

Okay, can we go ahead and finish? Yeah. Go ahead and finish Craig please.

CommentCraig WalkerProposed2:19:22

Once surrounded the building it would look beautiful and also would shade the building behind it so just to sum up I ask that you put the condition of approval that design option number two be used thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:19:36

Thank you Craig

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction2:19:41

Next we have Leland Walmsky. Mr. Walmsky, if you're there you can go ahead and speak uh and please unmute yourself and you can go ahead. Mr Walmsky if you're there oh yes hello can you hear me? Yes we can.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:19:58

Yes okay it's Walmsley um and I'm the project landscape architect And so I just wanted to speak to a few things. First of all, my family's had a professional relationship with Ojai for just over 100 years. My grandmother's firm, landscape architecture firm was the first landscape architecture firm in California and she was the original landscape architect with Wallace Neff at what is now the Ojai Valley Inn and I was there for over a decade doing the herb suite pools, the indigo pools, a number of courtyards et cetera.

I wanted to speak first to water usage. And I am a LEED accredited professional through the U.S. Green Building Council, which is to say that I have a great reverence for sustainability and wanted to mention that there's quite a bit of impervious paving there currently and our plans We did request non-potable Treated wastewater from Casitas water, but they said that's not available currently. So that was out but we did try we really wanted to do that.

I also wanted to mention that there are quite a few grasses there that almost 30% of the landscape is grasses. Most are natives and then quite a few other grasses that are native to Morocco's Atlas Mountains which is to say the northern Sahara Desert. We can also absolutely use some of the gray water, perfectly happy to explore some of that. But I also wanted to mention the trees we're including natives edibles particularly citrus and then city defined street trees.

So there's quite a bit of shading which means less heat island effect And that heat island effect, many of you may know contributes to climate change. The shading requirements per CalGreen for the parking areas are 50% is required and we're actually shading 58% of the parking areas as far as hardscape areas 20% is required. We're shading almost 62%. of the hardscape areas. And then as far as landscape areas, we're shading 51% when only 20% is required. So also the gentleman, the appellate he mentioned parking and or the pool cabanas on the west side of the property where currently there's parking which is impervious. We're planning on demoing all that and actually putting in a number of native large established native-

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:22:56

Sorry time. Wrap

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:22:59

it up. We're planning on using quite a few native oak trees, 17 I believe and we are leaving every native tree and we're getting rid of all the non-native invasive trees so you know all in all it's quite sustainable

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:23:15

Thank You Leland

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction2:23:18

Next we have Carol Avalon. Mr. Avalon, if you're there, you can go ahead and unmute yourself or Ms. Avalan. If you're there, go ahead and unmute yourself. There. OK. Looks like you're on? Can you hear me? I can hear you, yes. There you go. You can go ahead and speak.

CommentCarol AvalonProposed2:23:48

I didn't even know my name was on the list, but thank you for offering me this opportunity. I believe that change is good. Change is happening all the time and a city is vitalized by change that occurs. So I just wanted to speak to that and say that it's inevitable. It happens every day in all of our lives, change occurs, and this is a good thing It keeps things moving and alive.

Thank you. Thank you,

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:24:23

Carol. And I don't see any more hands raised. OK, wonderful. We'll go ahead and close the public comment. And we will close the hearing. Let's take a quick break, and we'll come back for discussion questions. Thank you.

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CommentJohn MerckProposedself-stated2:24:50

Please mute your mics.

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:34:03

Okay, we're back and it's time for deliberation and discussion. Anybody want to start? Can we have quiet, please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:34:36

And I'm

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:34:37

going to ask the audience to please remain silent. It's really hard to hear up here when people are making side comments so much appreciated. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:34:48

Okay, I'll start. First of all thank you everyone for all your comments It may be a pain in the neck. I'm glad you didn't hear what I said. I want to change it, I can edit it. I was just thanking everyone for all your Comments, thank you. I've done my homework on this project. I attended every single commission meeting either in person or on Zoom and there's absolutely no excuse for anyone that is involved and cares about this project not to have at the very least listened to the three-and-a-half hour planning commission meeting. I believe Steve you can chair.

It was about three and a half hours, right? Yeah. Plus there's recordings, so there is no excuse not to have listened to the hearings. And at that three and a half hour hearing I, to be honest, I kept hoping that the people that ended up filing the appeal, I was hoping that they were listening to the meeting and perhaps they'll go back and listen. So let's see, I met with As was stated earlier in the meeting Mayor Pro Tem Haney and I met with two of the owners and plus The gentleman who has worked there. Did he say 36 years or something? So so we met with them Friday afternoon And this morning, I felt it was important to discuss with Tom Francis his concerns. I do respect that these are citizens who have genuine concerns, but I do feel they have all been addressed.

In fact the more I listen tonight The more I felt in support of the Planning Commission findings, with the exception that I still have some questions about, is it called facade number one and number two? Those two choices. And I'll save those questions for later. I'm kind of losing my train of thought. Oh, could I at this point ask our attorney about the wording of the resolution that the Planning Commission adopted concerning the water? There's a quote on page four of the appeal letter And I'll read it, and I thought if we added one word that might handle some of the concerns.

Should I go ahead?

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction2:37:38

I'm happy to consider the question please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:37:40

Okay.

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction2:37:40

And which letter are you referring to?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:37:42

The letter from Leslie Hess.

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction2:37:44

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:37:45

They quote because they questioned the Planning Commission findings on the water and so the resolution states There are adequate provisions for public access, water, sanitation and services to ensure that the proposed use would not be detrimental to public health and safety subject site is served by public utilities. I was thinking if you simply added at the very beginning the word currently there are currently adequate provisions Because they're looking into the future. I mean, and nobody can predict the future all kinds of dire things can happen.

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction2:38:35

Yeah that would be fine to add currently mindful that if

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:38:41

Or at the present time, you know.

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction2:38:43

Yeah currently we find if Casitas Municipal Water District ever failed to issue a will serve letter or revoked their existing access to water then we'd have to deal with that at the moment they haven't done so I would be fine with that and I'll note that's where staff also recommends adding an additional sentence or two regarding the watershed progressive report noting that the existing proposed water features would reduce demand by 55%.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:39:10

Yes, yes. And then just one other comment as many of you know I've been passionate for decades to make Ojai a truly walkable pedestrian friendly city and there's going to be another crosswalk in front of the mob shop for those that don't know that and about 20-30 years ago I wrote an article for the visitors guide And the headline was, Welcome to Ojai for a Car-Free Vacation. And I feel that the valley parking actually is in support of that because it encourages the concept, the idea that when... The expectation that we want visitors to have that when you come to Ojai, you park once and then from there on You either walk, ride your bicycle, take the trolley and there's all kinds of other alternative transportation coming down the pike.

And if it turns out that there are issues with the valet parking that we can't predict everything I'm confident that the hotel owners will handle that and that's all I have for now thank you

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:40:23

I know we're all sitting, which is a good thing because what I'm going to say is that I am in absolute agreement with what Sousa just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:40:30

said.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:40:42

That's all I have to say. I would, you know it is a complex issue no doubt about it. We've put these gentlemen through the Ojai ringer and hopefully after tonight they'll come out in one piece and we can heal and we can move forward I too respect anyone who comes to a community meeting and has a different opinion or a different view or perspective of what we're trying to do.

In fact, everyone knows me, I believe in public comment and I believe that we have more of this discourse so that we understand what we would like to see our community be, and more importantly is how we can work together to achieve it. So I applaud the group. What are they? Simply Ojai? I applaud them for coming together and realistically putting their views forward and also reaching out to the applicants and also for the applicants to even listen to them. They didn't have to.

They could have said, you're nobody. You know you had plenty of opportunity but instead they reached out and they continued a dialogue probably even up to today so the process works it isn't always perfect it isn't always timely but I'll tell you what it works and it works for our community

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:42:18

Ryan or me? Do

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:42:20

you want to go next? I got it. You want to go, Ryan? Are you ready?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:42:27

Go ahead, Bill.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:42:27

Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:42:28

Bill. I also agree with Susan and I think that ... Huh? Oh well yeah. I want to make a couple points Quickly. I think that this process, I am always absolutely impressed with this community We have these events, we have these hearings. We listen to one another. I've also watched every single moment of the Historic Preservation Commission and the various planning commission deliberations and proceedings. And after all of that tonight, I still learn things I didn't know.

That's just amazing. It's wonderful. And I thank everyone here for coming. To me, this thing boils down to a responsible group of people that have stepped up with a vision. With the capital to pursue that vision and accepting the responsibility of taking a non-conforming use and making it conforming to restore a panoply Activities that used to be here. It's actually a restoration of a set of uses that used to be in Ojai at this facility, and in effect it's bringing it into modern standards.

That is... You know? That's what we celebrate here. Evolution of good design, positive vision It's what we cherish, it's why we're here in cherishing this community. It's what happened a hundred years ago plus and so I look at things like the valley parking and I analyze it and think about it and realize that the shift in how we think about parking and how we think about traffic is shifting from a level of service to vehicles miles traveled and I know that's kind of technical wonky stuff but basically it means that this whole shift is going to look at the behavioral design of the facility to reduce vehicles miles traveled and this valet parking does that in my opinion.

We look at issue of the use of resources. And I have to say, I didn't hear the appellant refute the recently submitted exhaustively detailed and thought through groundwater sustainability plans for both of our aquifers and groundwater sustainability agencies in this valley, and the urban water management plan of the Casitas Municipal Water District. I didn't see them there. I didn't see them questioning. I didn't see them questioning the extensive discussion tonight in terms of those plans that have been exhaustively showing over all the data that we have going back decades and decades and decades with professional climate change adjustments that we are managing sustainably, subject to continuous adaptation.

So to say that we are being false without evidence I find somewhat disturbing. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that what I see in total is what's being presented for us tonight, is in fact in the service to the best traditions of this community. And I support it.

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:46:53

Ryan?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:46:55

Thank you Mayor. First of all I want to say thank you to Eric, Jeremy, Rameen and I think there was a Warner I also heard who didn't speak. Thank you all of you for enduring what I know has been a difficult effort. I'm well aware of the process that we make you jump through to try and get this far and you got a little extra hoop to jump through with an appeal.

We make it hard on purpose in Ojai Let's be clear, everybody knows that. Developers, investors, everybody knows it's not easy in Ojai. I've had dozens of people call my office before and the usual answer is you're not going to get it done, it's not going to work and you're not the right party for it. It's very difficult and it takes a lot of wherewithal to get here but I also always say that when we get things in Ojai That fit into that very thin area that we do feel is right for Ojai. And this is not just what I think is arguably right for Ojai, but it's been here longer than the city has been incorporated and it is a modernization of an old asset, not a new construction which is very different.

You know, it's great to see that a lot of the new ideas and new feelings and thoughts that we incorporate into something that is old can be brought into something new. I've heard a lot of times today that nobody wants to stop the opening in the development of the hotel But that there's a lot of things they wanna have changed. But let's remember that had the old hotel continued as was, it would have 45% more water usage. It would have significantly less parking space. It would have all the old problems from the old days that wouldn't be updated into an upgraded integrated new hotel that has a lot of checkboxes for being better than what we had before.

And if we are really trying to get the hotel open, then it makes sense that we're getting a better version of it open. To me, valet parking makes sense It makes sense specifically on that property. I live nearby, I work nearby, I've been there a million times. Don and Sheila Clough are dear friends of mine. I appreciate the Clough family effort in all this.

I spoke to them about it before as well and they did ensure that they were handing the baton of this institution in Ohio off to some entity group that they trusted. And I think that's really important too. There's a reason why a couple blocks up, there's a park with their name on it. That is not to be lost on our community. They did not turn their back and hand it off to someone that the community couldn't work with, or that they didn't trust personally because it would shine poorly on their legacy that stays intact I believe with the new ownership that's there. And that's a very important thing.

In addition to that, the water issue. I know an awful lot about water in this valley and we're talking about having to balance our interests and we get it. We're not in great water surplus shape. But we keep, I've heard people talk about the lake. This water they're going to use predominantly doesn't come from the lake. It comes from the aquifer or aquifers been managed very well over multiple decades.

Um, this is not the type of water usage in a hotel situation That is going to significantly impede our ability to be able to survive later on. It's going to be, as was said before, significantly higher water users that are gonna be an issue. So I just feel that has been an issue along with this parking situation that have been manipulated and frankly spun politically into something it's not. I've heard red herring, I've heard confusion, I've heard a lot of things. I even heard a quote and Bob Kemper, I appreciate this and Joan thank you for being here as well that a new group would rather kill our town. Well it does feel like that. I heard Randy give some respect but I gotta say this is a step too far. I don't have a problem with an appeal but I do have it when it doesn't feel like it's disconnected from a campaign It feels like this is an appeal designed to score political points for one of our council members.

Because most of the people who spoke in support of the appeal, not in support of the hotel are all connected in some way back to one of our campaign, one of our groups and that feels very icky to me. That doesn't feel like Ojai to me We make it really hard to jump through these hoops. We have made all the hoops difficult, they're narrow, they're far apart but this group has gone above and beyond to make sure that they jumped through all of those. I have an enormous amount of trust in the things I've heard tonight about why how and what they're going to do.

From that the event center is actually a little smaller to why valet parking makes sense, to water reduction. To additional extra steps that when there was some confrontation and conflict over their plan they took the extra step to meet with the appellants which they didn't have to do to try and incorporate some of their ideas into everything. This is in the narrow area of what's right we have the right ownership at the right place. We're not changing something from what it was were reinvigorating it And it feels like that they unfortunately fell into a political trap, not a realistic trap.

And I apologize to the applicants for having to jump through all those extra hoops because I think you already got there planning and I don't have a problem with getting appeal but I do have a problem with some of the rationale behind it because to say you're not against the project just want a little tweak here or there at the same time individuals are trying to circulate a petition to eliminate all valet parking in Ohio using this As kind of the argument that there's some massive movement to start valet parking all over town.

That's the disingenuous part, it's not the part about the water. The disingenuous part is that this project, valet parking is somehow so abhorrent to the local community. That as you've seen the local merchants support it, the neighbors support it. Heck, there's almost everybody but a small tiny group that don't support it and Turning it into a thing that's supposed to be about the entire city having valet parking and nobody is realistically talking about that. We're not passing a rule to allow it, we take this on an ad hoc basis. And this is a very unique situation for 100 plus year old property that in order to modernize doesn't have the footprint in the block they're in to be able to do anything but valet parking in order to ensure that they have The parking they needed that they didn't have for the last 50 plus years.

So I think it's a very creative and ultimately expensive way to fix the problem, and they've been willing to do that. I do have a question ultimately about whether it's going to be free valet or cost valet I do have some concern about if people are going to be pushed off of the property, if there are events there. But we also know that this parking idea and we've looked at it a lot. We have no problem filling up for the 4th of July getting enough parking for 4th of July or Ojai day for a number other events We have no restricted surface street parking except for one small area on Montgomery and Matilda, I believe. Other than that there's no permits required. There's very little restricted parking so filling up the neighborhoods has not really been an issue and we don't want it every day but it's not the end of the world if it's temporary even when the museum CAST has events across the street from my office, a block from my house.

There's massive amounts of surface street parking that's used and I don't hear anybody complaining because the museum is using it. If this wasn't a tourism umbrella business, I don' think we'd have all the red herrings and the confusion and people saying they don't understand it. I think that's really the impetus of what's going on here. And I get that there is a overall feeling in Ojai that were over visited But the Oaks and the future of the El Roblor, this is not the place to make our stand. This is not a place to make it stand about that, about tourism or about water.

This is not the last effort of water usage that's going to break the camel's back and change our community forever. So I appreciate everything in the nuances of the design of the hotel, in the efforts, the cost, the things they've tried to do to make these things more efficient, more palatable, less intrusive. For a property that let's remember already existed and was there before the city was incorporated itself. So I applaud them for that, thank the community for coming out in full.

And I hope that everyone is understanding the awkwardness of this weird push out of some very small minority of our community members to try and Really twist some small issues in a good project to, I think, highlight things that they're trying to use for their own personal gain. That's not what this is about. I support this project because it's good for Ojai and I think they've done everything they can to make it really work in the area they are.

and be incorporated into what is not only going to be beneficial monetarily, but I think is really going to be an asset to the community. And continue on the legacy of the cloths which is a very important thing so thank you.

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction2:56:53

Well, it's a first because I agree with all four of my council members in that I really respect and love this process, the democratic process. And that's a first so thank you all for respecting that and this is how democracy works so it's beautiful thing. And the civil engagement. And I'm ecstatic about the watershed progressive report that we got today at three, so many opportunities and possibilities. So that's wonderful and I am grateful to Ramin and Warner and Eric and Jeremy for your beautiful plans and all this beautiful work that you've done for so long.

It's... And I completely support the hotel opening. I think it's gonna be a great asset to our community I also think it's really important that we as a community understand what's happening and take in all the information. And of course, it's slow. Democracy is slow. And in terms of the new material that we received today, I think it's really important that the staff has time to review it, as was suggested.

We don't have adequate water. You know, we clearly do not. We're at stage four drought heading towards stage five. There's no prediction of rain particularly and we've got to start looking at everything through a whole different lens, a water lens. And so I really see the hotel as having an opportunity be a beacon of sustainability, to be the best it possibly can be in terms of environmentalism And really show the world how it's done in terms of being green. So I think we just all need to take into consider Mother Nature, geophysics because we can't control her. We've got to work with her so what I would like to see is That we give it back to staff, bring it back to the May 24th City Council meeting. So that's not very much time and to allow staff...

I really feel strongly that we need to model decorum and civility. Now that's democracy. Thank you. This is my opinion, you know because we don't have the water and we and this you know attachment a page 5g There are adequate provisions for public access water sanitation and public utilities and services. That just is not true We do not have the water And I have been consistent since I've taken office of bringing this up any time that it is relevant. We don't have the water, so we've got to You know, wake up and face the music.

And that's why I think that... I'm not going to support a motion tonight to pass it because I think it needs to go back to staff and have the new information that we received today from Watershed Progressive because it's not in the plan to make sure that that's in there. Go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:00:13

ahead. Bill? Yeah, we have a difference of opinion. I think this project is an example of sustainable development. Everything that I have seen and heard and thought about and learned even through all of these deliberations, I think that's exactly what it is. And so in that spirit, I'm going to make a motion Adopt the resolution dismissing the appeal with the conditions recommended by staff and the amendments listed in these deliberations, including the word currently and the other comments by a city attorney.

I'll second that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:01:03

Can we still have some discussion? If I may?

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:01:06

Go ahead Ryan.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:01:08

You're

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:01:11

muted.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:01:13

I just actually muted myself. That's hard to do. Everybody always gets it the other way, right? Would you entertain... I haven't seen and I've been looking for everything in my email. I don't think I saw the latest water report. If there is a gray water inclusion in a latest report that it sounds like we received really late if that's I don't think it's in the current resolution if I'm not mistaken. I would like to incorporate that but I wanted some clarity out of the staff when we were making a motion on it.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction3:01:46

Yeah, and we drafted quickly some language that could be added to implement some of those items. It was the report it was sent fairly late today that included some information from

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:02:00

Walter. I'm open to the amended motion. Ryan, do you want to have that read?

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction3:02:06

So the added language that we would recommend that would include, that would be something along the lines of adding a condition. Applicant shall install and implement water conservation measures including low-water use landscaping, low-water flow plumbing fixtures, rainwater capture facilities for landscape irrigation and gray water facilities for landscape irrigation to the satisfaction of the community development director and building official.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:02:32

And to clarify James, is that in... I haven't seen the letter. Did we? I don't believe I received it. I don't know for certain though so.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction3:02:40

So the applicant provided a letter from Watershed Progressive that had identified several projects that were being, I believe proposed and then identifying how many gallons of water each would conserve. So that language-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:02:57

And Watershed Progressive was working on behalf of the applicant, is that correct? That's my understanding, yes. Okay so are these I'm is I don't want to you know they they know it I know what the assumptions are the mother of but um the is are these things that seem to be recommended that they're saying that they can do or and with the applicants here? I don'y know if that's a question for them but if it is plausible and they're supporting it since it's a letter that came from them I'd like to include into the final motion if we can.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction3:03:28

Okay, it looks like the applicant's gonna speak to

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction3:03:30

that. If I could jump in there real quick so we've drafted the condition language to be somewhat broad allowing flexibility for precise projects to be determined through the staff process with the council imposing the requirement that there before those four types of projects with adjustments on the ground as needed and then i would recommend with the council's concurrence through the mayor asking if the applicant would concur with that condition It can be imposed over their objection but it's worth knowing if they would object.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:03:58

That was my question,

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction3:04:01

thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:04:02

you ma'am. Hi uh so Commissioner Blatts we also have an individual Council Member Blatts we also have Joe Madden on the line from the agency we used to prepare this study many months ago many many months ago he can provide the analysis if you have any questions directly about this These are proposed ideas. The more time that we've taken, we have to study but we also want to make sure there's flexibility in this condition. We have no issue with the systems already basically ordered in the hotel. The Great Water has high cost low impact to be very frank with you and we're more interested in investing in landscaping more than anything so I want to make sure there's flexibility Look, we prepared this. I stayed up until 3 o'clock in the morning yesterday because we got this late report from the appellant talking about all these water issues.

The person on the phone has been waiting around for four hours to wait and hear you out. It's really frustrating to me to sit here and have to react. We had to react to put that report together, it took a lot of time in format in a way so everyone can understand there's a lot more actionable issues. So I urge you to be considerate of these conditions they're proposed conditions we will adopt many of them but allow for flexibility and good faith efforts by us to determine what the best plan is for our building thank you

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CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction3:05:29

And so we would have a more generic version of that statement if council would be interested, simply requiring the applicant or saying the applicant shall install water conservation measures to the community development director and building official's satisfaction.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:05:51

That's sufficient for my motion and I think that was Jeremy, I couldn't see the camera was on the council and not on the speaker. But yeah, I absolutely appreciate that it's late. I just wanna make sure in that we got all this information late and I appreciate the efforts that you have made responding to things in the last minute as well. Absolutely, I'm not sure what worked and what doesn't. It sounds like they've pretty much gone to at least a reasonable maximum of what they can do but since there's a new letter out there if it could be incorporated I mean it goes a little further. I'm happy to include in the motion that it's at the discretion of our Community Development Director.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:06:30

Randy?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:06:31

We're discussing this, am I correct?

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:06:33

Yeah we have a motion. We have a second. No second.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:06:37

Alternative motion. I seconded and then we had an amendment to the

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:06:41

motion. Okay we have

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:06:44

I accept the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:06:44

amendment. And now we can discuss, right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:06:49

So maybe add a little clarity. First of all, I just read the Casitas Municipal Water District report that's going to their board meeting next week and they are recommending that they stay at a stage three for the next year So one, we're not in a stage four. It's not to say that we won't get there but the reality is we're in stage three now and their report states that they'll stay at stage three right now in relative conditions for the next year. That's one thought. The second thing is I did read that report today And it's not that I'm smarter than all of you or any of that, but this is my business water.

And what I read in that report was a sustainable action plan for that site and if they followed those guidelines 100%, they could create a 55 reduction in their water use. Right now, Casitas is asking all of us to sacrifice to a 30% level individually My take on this, if they did anything between the 30 and 55 that's a win for this community. So I'm not going to stipulate or add that to the motion but we need to recognize that they are creating an incredibly sustainable site, environmentally sensitive to the community.

And you know when we talk graywater systems I put the graywater systems in they're not they're not the cat's meow. The return on investment is not great same with storm some storm water catchment devices they cost more the return on investment is not great so whatever they do is a benefit to the community And again, I applaud them for doing that in every aspect of the build.

It's not just in the outside but it's in the inside everything that they're doing is contributing to lessening our footprint and increasing sustainability and a more environmentally friendly future for our community so I'm ready to vote if you guys are

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:09:03

I really like someone said that this project should be a beacon of sustainability and I feel it's on that track. I also feel that the owners, the developers are very open to talking with their community about improvements as they go along And I would encourage that they meet with, for example, Steve Colomay with our climate committee about increasing possibilities for electrification induction ranges and that sort of thing. We can still have those conversations. I don't think we need to add that to the motion but I feel that what I know about their backgrounds is that they would be so open to increasing anything they can do to be a beacon of sustainability. My one concern is that, and I think this was expressed also at the Planning Commission and at the Historic Commission, there's actually compelling pros and cons on both designs, and I do feel conflicted.

You know, I really appreciate the work that Craig Walker, Don Theding, and Drew Mashburn in his letter. I feel Drew Mashburn truly represents old Ojai. His family is all over the place in Ojai And they're just wonderful. But in the end, I personally don't have a strong feeling. I'm not educated enough to have like a compelling argument either way so I'm gonna support what the owners want to do. That's just going to...

I know not everyone will be happy with that but I am going to support the approval that the Planning Commission and Historic Commission After a lot of conflicting discussion that they concluded. So I will support that. That is all.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:11:09

Okay, great. It sounds like we have consensus and I just want to reiterate We've had new information and I really feel that staff needs to look at that before we approve this. Once again, I'm ecstatic that you're so focused on sustainability. We just need it in the plan. That's where I'm coming from. So anyway, we have a motion. We have a second. Roll call?

Roll-call vote Passed 4–1 motion. We have a second. Roll call?
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Mayor Pro Tem Haney? Yes. Mayor Stixx? No. Council Member Weyrich? Yes, let's add to history. Council Member Blatz? Yes. Council Member Francina? Yes.

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CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction3:11:51

OK, thank

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:11:52

you. And we will move on to item number three, the fiscal year 12. OK. Let's have a one minute break. Bye everybody.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:12:10

Thank you. They'll roll their first.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:12:16

Okay, we'll take a two minute

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:12:18

break.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:13:05

No, I.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:16:31

Okay, we're back. Thank you. We're gonna

move on to item number three, fiscal year 2022-23 budget community service grant applications and tonight we will be receiving information and we'll have the ability to ask questions. There'll be no motion tonight

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction3:16:54

Yes, thank you Mayor. So we want to start quickly with a little bit of background on the process and on the budget this year. Of course we appreciate everybody coming out from the different groups and I'm sure... We'd of course love to provide funding to all but we always have to work within our existing budget so I'm going to provide a little bit of background On what the budget looks like this year. We've had a couple of budget workshops, and this is the next one in the process so So this year just as a little bit of a summary from the last couple budget discussions we are proposing a budget with total revenue of 13.09 million and total expenses of 13 point oh nine million and And so we're proposing an essentially balanced budget.

The budget includes a lot of funding for deferred maintenance and for catching up on deferred expenses and deferred maintenance from both the pandemic and from prior to the pandemic, things that had been deferred such as city street improvements and facilities buildings etc. So with those included, we've managed to pretty much balance the budget. And with that balanced budget, we have included in the budget at this point $103,000 in community funding and so that is the amount that the city could provide in community funding while staying at a balanced budget.

Anything in addition to that would either need to be a reduction in another category or offset in some way because the budget wouldn't remain balanced at that point. And so we did a little bit of research, because we did have a lot more applicants this year than is typical. I think we normally have two to three maybe four applicants and this year we had 15 applicants as identified in the staff report.

But we did do some research on what some of the cities around us are doing on these types of funding categories. And we did find a couple of the cities around us, such as City of Ventura actually provides $140,000 a year in their budget that goes to what they call community partnership grants. I wanted to call that out because it's important to note that Ventura's budget is $125 million and so they provide $140,000 in community funding.

And so for us, I know we've provided around that same amount and without knowing what other organizations provide, that amount may not have sounded like very much but proportionally we're providing about 1% of our budget Whereas the City of Ventura provides .1% of their budget to these community funding grants. We looked at a couple other cities, I think it was Thousand Oaks, my notes are a little jumbled but also provided about the same amount in funding as well.

It seems, you know it's just like when you budget at home if you don't have anything to compare it to. You don't know if you're spending too much on something or not enough on something so we wanted to provide that information to give an idea of what the cities around us are spending and what portion of their budget And so we've never set as a city, a couple of the cities we looked at do set a firm amount each year saying this is the amount of funding that's available. Apply and you'll be considered for part of that funding.

We've never set a firm number and so one of the things that we want to propose for consideration is setting a firm number And one way to do that would be setting a percentage where if the budget grows, then that number will grow. If the budget goes down, the number will come down and so we were suggesting as a starting point that council consider a 1% allocation to community funding which would be $130,000 this year So that would be slightly more than what we've proposed in the budget, but we do believe we could identify some options to keep the budget balanced without making any major reductions.

And so the last thing I'll note... Well first I'll note the item on the agenda tonight is intended to allow the council to get information from the different groups applying for funding It's a lot of information, so we were proposing setting this up as sort of a two-step process where the council would get that information tonight. We'd come back in a couple weeks after absorbing that information and allowing everybody to put their thoughts together and come back at that time to make actual decisions for the allocations.

And so just as one more piece of information, while considering that we did go through and list the items that if we had to make reductions would be areas that could be reduced. I do want to...I won't go through them because ultimately I don't recommend reducing any of these items Several of them are critical. The TOT transfer to the CIP fund is what's going to make sure that we can pave the streets that we've promised to pave this year.

Water litigation or water project funding is a critical item that we actually are looking at whether we've even budgeted enough for that next year. And then contingency, we've identified some funding as the council provided feedback at the last meeting for potentially some sort of partnership with the county on Sewell Park and then catching up on some other deferred items.

and rebuilding the reserve which we talked about as well. So we don't recommend reducing those but if somebody were to ask me, you know, the total requests are $340,000 and so if somebody said how would you how can the city afford to pay $340,000 this year? The answer would be reducing some of these items which again is not recommended. So with that, we've offered each group the opportunity to come to Council tonight and speak.

Our recommendation since there are more groups than usual is that we would have our Deputy City Clerk call each organization and provide the opportunity to speak. If there's no one here then

we'll move on to the next group. And then I think we were talking about there are some groups have turned in cards, some haven't. So what we would ask is as you come up to speak if you turn in a card and you don't need it because you're coming up let us know and we'll pull your card so you don' get double called two times. So Mayor if that works well we'll ask the Deputy City Clerk to call each group

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction3:24:10

OK. Three minutes? OK. First, Oja Community Farmers Market.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:24:29

Yeah,

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction3:24:31

I was actually doing them in order but I was starting from the bottom and going up.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:24:34

It'd be easier to do it in a packet order.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:24:38

Why would you do that?

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction3:24:40

I just thought it would try and be random like the way I call the roll.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:24:48

Okay

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction3:24:51

Do it in the order of the packet Okay, so start with the top of the list then So that the first one I have then is Ojai Valley Fire Safe Council We

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:25:04

have a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:25:04

time

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:25:05

limit Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:25:06

thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:25:14

Good evening. Thank you for this opportunity. So with the limited time available, we have to laser focus what we're going to say tonight. We have requested funds to extend some staff time and other resources on a particular project. As you recall, we have a currently funded CAL FIRE grant With the Ventura County wildfire collaborative that consists of six projects managed to manage by us the fire Ojai Valley, two by Ventura Regional, two by Ventura County Resource Conservation District.

One of those projects is the countywide home hardening resiliency program which is managed by the Ventura Regional Fire Safe Council And that is a comprehensive countywide program, but it has a significant impact on the Ojai Valley. Some of the things that will be contained in this funded grant and starting in June is to hire and train three full-time wildfire safety liaisons for a period of 18 months. One for the Ventura River Watershed and Ojai Valley.

Though that liaison will conduct home hardening workshops, which include homeowner training and then train the trainers on the more detailed home addition assessments. And then we have the home hardening assessment themselves. and improvement recommendations. And very importantly, this program has a standardized HIZ data collection analysis tracking and management strategy attached to it which is something that's so important in the area of home hardening to get this kind of information so you can prioritize. This is a really intractable problem particularly in a place like Ojai where you have 89% of the pre-89 stock which is pre Chapter 7A of the building code And then we expect insurance industry participation with wildfire premium modeling.

With the limited time, I can't go into the data management strategy because it's not easily reduced to that. But what we're offering, there was no money in this particular project for the Ojai Valley Fire Safe Council nor do we receive any indirect from this project so we are hosting in our new office the wildfire safety liaison up three days a week and give a dedicated workstation and use of the facility which includes in-person meeting in our conference room And video conferencing, staff will be engaged in training and assessments. And then we will assist in community outreach including recruitment and coordination of volunteers, public awareness and education, and our course website. This is important because this way we can take this $800,000 project and lever it to our valley to its maximum extent that would not happen if we did not participate as fully as we'd like to with the support from the city.

So we're looking forward to, again like we've done other places is to leverage what's happening in the collaborative to maximize the impact here in the Ohio Valley on this very important issue. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:28:19

Would it be okay to ask each applicant if we had to give them a reduced amount would that still be helpful?

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction3:28:29

Yes, I we did suggest in the staff report as well that because there's $340,000 in requests. We may want to ask You know what level of funding each group would be willing to take because we're probably gonna have to reduce Some of the funding requests so I think that is fair to ask

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:28:46

I Does it mean that we will but if we decide to that, we love all these people so much. We don't want to reject anybody Rather you know what I'm saying? We're gonna have to be we have to we're gonna be well I think ourselves a lot of questions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:29:06

I think it's a question of sort about you know those expenses The more we do, the more it's going to cost the Fire Safe Council. More staff time, more outreach, more mileage, more supplies, more time with the website person—all that takes time and money to do that. So to the extent our extent is reduced then there's a reduced amount that we can afford to do this, okay? But you know I guess the idea would be we'll take what we can get.

We have received on one of the Cal Fire grants that we manage, which is the fine scale risk mapping and digital dashboard. Which by the way will be enhanced by the home hardening as well all the projects interact together. We did get we got $125,000 cash match from the county.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:29:59

That was for that grant yes.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:30:05

Does it mean we haven't asked?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:30:08

Thank you. Two quick questions in your description mapping of the Ojai Valley that refers to the fine scale risk mapping yes so that's what that refers to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:30:19

well yeah there's a series of projects one is the fine-scale risk mapping digital dashboard ones the vulnerability assessment and evacuation assessment right All of those are data, have a heavy data collection and analysis point which goes into this centralized GIS database. And some of that's going to be countywide by the way but some of it that's what the fire protection district is paying for.

All of these things, the home hardening data all that goes in there. So as we and a private contractor Jensen Hughes is doing the data management strategy design and implementation so this is something where everything we're doing now is going to be feeding into this countywide including Ojai into the centralized database that is gonna be publicly available.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:31:10

And I'm gonna ask everyone this real quick Would you be willing to provide your Form 990 if you filed it? Yes. Okay, to the record. Thank you. Absolutely all right thank you.

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction3:31:25

Thank You Chris. Next would be the Ojai Retreat Cultural Center and can you give us your name My favorite place in Ojai.

PresenterUlrich PugurOjai Retreat Cultural CenterProposedself-stated3:31:38

Thank you. Good evening, my name is Ulrich Pugur. I'm representing the Ojai Retreat Cultural Center, a non-profit organization and we have provided cultural events to the community for over 30 years And mainly in the areas of the environment, philosophy, the arts, education, health and many events on community issues. I would like to give you a few examples about events that we organized on community issues.

The first was on the water issue about 10 years ago We invited a top water expert, Tom Ash. You probably some of you remember him and after he gave his talk all water agencies in the Ojai Valley invited him for consultations and he helped resolve many water problems in the Ojai Valley Another example, in cooperation with the Ojai Valley Fire Safe Council we organized a fire prevention program about a year ago or so? June. Okay and some of you attended it. A representative of the fire department from Ventura County attended it. It was very successful and it raised awareness of the community to the fire issues in Ohio.

A third and more recent example, we invited Mark Whitman to explain his proposal for an art institute at Chaparral which is now very controversial as you probably know. And a few weeks ago we invited the publisher editor of the Ohio Valley News and their reporters to explain to the community the challenges they're facing, and how they approach some problems.

And all these four events have been reported in the Ojai Valley News, and these are just a few examples of events that we organized on community issues. And our goal is to organize more events on community issues in the next year and that's why we would like to get some funds for that. As you probably know, events normally don't generate income they generate a deficit, most of the time.

And that's why we can only organize these events if you get donations from our donors and if we get funds from you, we can even organize more events like this and with better speakers which have greater effect on the community. By the way, if you want to see all the programs we have organized for the last 30 years, the recent programs and the planned programs. You can go to the Ohio Retreat Cultural Center website click on event you will see everything there.

And now Joan Roberts who is... Can she add something? She just want to give some examples of events that we are planning to organize

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:35:17

Okay, we're always planning. I've been on the advisory board for the Ojai Retreat Center and Cultural Center for over 20 years now so it is like you know it's risen from the ashes. It was really down during the pandemic shutdown but under OREC's command it's really flourishing now. So our cultural center, we're putting a lot of emphasis on it And right now in the planning stage, we have three areas that we're going to have series. One will be community issues, environmental issues and educational issues all focused here in the valley. And just to quickly give you a summary of what will be covered in those series for community is how will future developments affect the future and our charming town of Ojai?

Another one that's coming up that's really important is affordable housing. And then another one in the community issues is divisiveness among long-term residents and our newly arrived residents here in Ojai, which we kind of got a sample of that tonight. Right? So we're going to be visiting that. And then under the environmental issues, we'll have a series on one of them, the controversy of planting trees in drought conditions And our guest speaker will be Garrett Clifford, as you probably know of him. He's planting a lot of trees. He planted them on my property.

So and then also Ojai's Climate Park project which is going on and then also the global and local climate change issues. So that's part of the environmental series and then the last one is on education We will have several panel discussions with the local teachers and parents coming together from different schools on critical issues such as how to deal with bullying, violence in the schools, drugs and racism.

So that will be a series of very important panel discussions. And so I'm finished with the future and I just want to say we organized A concert up at the Retreat Center for Ukraine. It was a fundraiser and this was actually organized by the community coming together and providing all parts of this concert and gathering, and our local Smitty West and Julia They have refugees from Ukraine staying with them, and they're musicians and they're singers. So Smitty, Julia, the refugees and our local musicians all gathered together and it was a evening in the Shangri-La Garden at the Ojai Retreat, beautiful overlooking the mountains.

And we raised $6,500 That evening with 150 guests that arrived. So, and if you haven't been up there lately. It's just beautiful you've got to go up there it's on a five acre parcel right above the ranch house. And it's always improving, improving. I send my clients there. I'm a real estate agent here in the Valley and when they come to look at property, I send them there. So thank you very much. We really need these funds. We didn't ask for a lot. We just asked for what we need and that's $12,000. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:39:13

Thank you Joan, thank you Ulrich and it was a lovely magical evening that concert so thank you for that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:39:19

May I ask? I can't find the report.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction3:39:24

We did notice yeah looks like one of the applications was duplicated so that one is not included so we'll send that out after the meeting but yeah we don't have it in

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:39:37

the packet. Good I'm glad I asked because I'd be looking for it all night.

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction3:39:43

Okay, no questions. We'll keep going

PresenterJane Walterat Help of Ojia the basic needs social service agency in the Ojai Valley and TodProposedself-stated3:39:48

Thank you

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction3:39:49

Next is help of Ojai

PresenterJane Walterat Help of Ojia the basic needs social service agency in the Ojai Valley and TodProposedself-stated3:39:54

Hi you guys Good evening. My name is Jane Walter I am co-executive director at Help of Ojia the basic needs social service agency in the Ojai Valley and Today I intercepted a call from an older Ojai resident whose wife passed away in April. On the day he brought home his wife's ashes, his landlord informed him they are selling the home he rents and he must vacate within 60 days.

He has nowhere to go and no income to dedicate to moving into a new home. To say his life has been turned upside down is an understatement, and this truly did happen earlier today. Unfortunately these types of calls are not unique. Our two full-time case managers work every day with clients who have either lost housing or are on the verge without the funds required to move in the rare case that they can find a rental. Our unsheltered case management list is at 50 individuals.

We're asking the city of Ojai for funding for our rental assistance and emergency housing programs With your assistance, we can help prevent homelessness by offering rental assistance to those who without it may face eviction. The current real estate market as you guys know in Ojai is so competitive that it is unlikely one would find a new affordable rental in a reasonable amount of time.

The Emergency Housing Fund allows us to place seniors and families who are facing homelessness in short-term rentals during inclement weather such as heat waves or winter storms. We've asked for $25,000 to support and to expand our current programs. If you guys are unable to grant the entire amount, our program would still run but at a reduced rate. 25,000 would allow us to serve approximately 12 more households, a 24% increase in services offered. We thank you for your consideration and I'm happy to answer any questions.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:41:40

Thank You Jane

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:41:44

It seems like I mean, I feel like this is super important as I know myself Yeah older couple. Mm-hmm that it's going through an eviction process. Yep. They just can't find any yeah, they're 85 mm-hmm And I'm one of them. Yeah, 73. I have an older who can't find housing or is having trouble finding housing. But my question is it seems like this... I mean, I am in favor of helping you as much as we can but aren't there other agencies that also will help you? Will help us

PresenterJane Walterat Help of Ojia the basic needs social service agency in the Ojai Valley and TodProposedself-stated3:42:17

or help the clients? Not with this specifically no. We don't necessarily receive funding from other agencies for this What we often do when we're doing case management with clients is work in collaboration with say like a county agency, which this information actually added in our application as well. Is that we do work really closely In terms of homeless management with other agencies We don't get funding for them though and what we have found in the past with our rental assistance program is were able to work a lot faster And we're really proud of that because we can often speak with someone and get them either Temporarily sheltered as needed or housed a bit faster with that funding So to answer your question, we don't get funding for that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:43:04

specifically. Yeah, but you work in collaboration Absolutely, so give housing vouchers and all that we do absolutely Okay, thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:43:13

Right, I had two questions. So that was one of them was a redundancy of other community groups not necessarily in Ojai but in the county that do like services so that's one you answered that. The second one is how did you provide these services last year?

PresenterJane Walterat Help of Ojia the basic needs social service agency in the Ojai Valley and TodProposedself-stated3:43:32

In terms of like logistically, how did we do it or what did it look like?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:43:34

Well you're asking for $25,000 to enhance. So do you have a sense that there's going to be more in need? Or how many did you serve last year in this rental environment?

PresenterJane Walterat Help of Ojia the basic needs social service agency in the Ojai Valley and TodProposedself-stated3:43:48

Last year we helped 28 households so it was about 75 individuals so to include obviously families with children The way we work in this process, and I used to manage this when I was a case manager is we basically take the calls as they come in. So this case for example you know this is someone who we would work with see how we could support them. We might have months where we will have three people call. We might have a month where there's 10, and so we just with our due diligence review their cases and help kind of set them up into the best situation we can if we're able to assist them simply by like I mentioned preventing eviction by paying their rent for that month. That's one household served and were able to secure their housing

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:44:31

So that's what you mean when you say if we get this funding, we believe we'll be able to accommodate 24 more instances of

PresenterJane Walterat Help of Ojia the basic needs social service agency in the Ojai Valley and TodProposedself-stated3:44:43

need. 24%. So sort of just in my experience with how much housing is... That's the other piece right? Is if we're talking about a household of let's say five right? Two parents three children they might be in a rental that's four or five thousand dollars a month Versus a person who's in a studio whose rental might cost $1,000 right? That's kind of where we see that discrepancy You need a little bit of flexibility in terms of household size and cost-of-living Costs of rent for them So it's not really black and white in terms of how much we allocate per individual or per household because it really is kind of based on what they need Based on their specific, you know household size But we do look at you know what their income is and what they're making sure that they are people who are high need.

And that's part of the case management model, it's figuring out how we kind of holistically can support them too if it's beyond just rent that they need. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:45:35

thank

PresenterJane Walterat Help of Ojia the basic needs social service agency in the Ojai Valley and TodProposedself-stated3:45:37

you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:45:38

Would you be willing to provide a Form 990?

PresenterJane Walterat Help of Ojia the basic needs social service agency in the Ojai Valley and TodProposedself-stated3:45:39

Yes absolutely.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:45:40

Thank

PresenterJane Walterat Help of Ojia the basic needs social service agency in the Ojai Valley and TodProposedself-stated3:45:40

you. Yep all right thanks you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:45:43

guys. I appreciate the financial statement by

PresenterJane Walterat Help of Ojia the basic needs social service agency in the Ojai Valley and TodProposedself-stated3:45:44

the way. Oh yeah and our 990s on our website too so we're happy to share

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:45:48

okay well then I don't need to go for anyone.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:45:50

Thank you, Jane. O'Hire Ed?

CommentBrenna FurnessProposedself-stated3:46:01

Thank you everyone for having me. Good evening council members, Mayor Sticks, fellow community members. My name is Brenna Furness. I'm a local parent, business owner and board member. I am here to represent O'Hire Ed and our application for the Community Services Grant, and share a little bit about this incredible program. Ohio Ed was founded in 2019 to help students of the Ojai Valley access higher education with the focus on first-generation college bound students. So those are students who do not have either one of their parents have a BA.

The program begins in 6th grade and supports students through 12th grade. In collaboration with Matiloha Middle School, our Ohio Higher Ed students attend weekly sessions focused on college readiness that includes creating 5-, 6- and 7-year academic plans and learning about colleges and universities. At the high school level, students meet with our executive director once every four to six weeks to discuss academic progress and ultimately the college process bringing support to families who face language and economic barriers.

A powerful element for the success of our program is a high quality math tutoring that we offer our students. Again, we offer these services 100% free to our participants Currently, the program serves approximately 50 high school students and 15 middle school students. Not all of them are accessing the math tutoring program but they could I would say about half of them are.

Our tutoring program costs about $10,000 a year to operate. Our board sees this as a very worthy expense not only are we addressing the critical pandemic learning loss, we're giving our students access to quality tutoring that they might not be able to afford otherwise This year our services were funded by generous donations from our community members. We had our first wave of fundraising took place in the winter of 2021, it was Giving Tuesday I don't know if you guys are familiar with that? It was a very successful day for us however a grant for $10,000 will ensure that we can continue this service free of charge to our Ojai families in the upcoming school year. We're extremely proud of our 2019 2020 and 2021 grads who have been accepted and are currently attending Boise State, Cal State Channel Islands, Ventura College, SBCC, a slew of the UCs and so many more.

Our 2022 early acceptances have been to much of the same schools plus Portland State University, Reed College, San Diego State and many more. I'd like to acknowledge that we're privileged to be among a group of many worthy applicants doing incredible work in our community. We're so fortunate to have so many community-based organizations, and having said that on behalf of our board, our Executive Director Cara Hooper, our President Maria Morales, George Gaines, Javier Ramirez, Luis Jungo, Wendy Hubbell and myself, we thank you for considering our organization for the 2022 Community Service Grant.

And we would be happy to receive anything, any donation that you guys would feel is appropriate. Yes?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:49:08

Thank you Brenna. Students, I didn't see a number that you're currently. So we are currently working with about

CommentBrenna FurnessProposedself-stated3:49:18

50 high school students and 15 middle school

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:49:21

students.

CommentBrenna FurnessProposedself-stated3:49:22

So students can enter the program at 6th grade and we have a wonderful collaboration with Matilda Hall Middle School. We're really lucky and then awesome collaboration with Nordoff as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:49:32

And where do you do the tutoring?

CommentBrenna FurnessProposedself-stated3:49:33

So, the tutoring actually happens on campus of The Thatcher School. They have graciously offered their facilities for us to use for free and we have a high quality tutor named Spencer Stevens who tutors our kids. Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:49:47

you.

CommentBrenna FurnessProposedself-stated3:49:49

Wonderful. Yeah,

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction3:49:51

thank you. Natural systems Ojai Valley Green Coalition.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:50:07

Natural Systems is not here? Correct.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:50:14

I think I've seen you somewhere.

PresenterKathy NolanGreen Coalition this eveningProposedself-stated3:50:17

Council members, staff, thanks for having us. I'm Kathy Nolan. I am a board member of the Ojai Valley Green Coalition and representing the Green Coalition this evening. And I'm going to read something that you do have in your packet but I'm reading it also for the benefit We the Ohio Valley Green Coalition acknowledge the spirit of Ojai, a community blessed with beauty and the natural environment, an active and vocal community. And most important, a community that cares. Supporting that spirit is my pleasure to introduce the concept of Ojai as a sustainable hub.

Which I think is really appropriate. It seems like sustainability has been kind of the topic this entire evening, or at least one of the main topics. The City of Ojai is an opportunity to lead the way in sustainability and its lesser known sister regeneration by embracing those concepts and being a leading resource for the community. Be it state mandates, the effects of climate change or just loving where we live. Let's come together, make a shift and take care of things good for the people, good for the planet. We like to point out the three legs of sustainability, the environment, the community or social component and economy, all seated in the spirit to thrive and be resilient. We would like to kick things up a notch by including regeneration which goes beyond conservation of sustainability by improving conditions.

The practice of both recognizes how issues are interconnected, require a systems approach and the acknowledgement of complexity. Simply said it's about our children and our grandchildren in the world we want to leave them, the seventh generation principle. We propose a four-year project with our funding request tonight being for year one of that four-year project so this would be for the 2022 2023 budget cycle Our ask is for $30,000 and yes we would be open to modifying that based on the conversation that we have all been a part of.

Our proposed overall task is just sort things out and help create the environment for a hub to emerge echoing conservation improving on what we have opportunities abound. We are fortunate in that we have local resources. We have you the City of Ojai so essentially this would be a city of Ojia project A caring community including successful non-profits and businesses, the City Hall campus which is a part of Libbey Park. And a wealth of knowledge and experience we also have a town and valley that others seek for the above attributes so this is an uncomplicated start our proposal to create a hub an effective center for sustainable and regenerative activity in collaboration with the city of Ojai and the community We envision the hub being one of information, of creating systems and of place.

And that would be this campus. How will we do this? We'll start with community stakeholder engagement, the process of working collaboratively, listening and sharing for preliminary programming. Community engagement is a powerful vehicle for bringing about environmental and behavioral changes with the intention of improving the health of the community and its members.

It often involves partnerships and coalitions to help mobilize resources and influence systems, change relationships and serve as a catalyst for changing policies, programs and practices. I think maybe the best thing for me to do is you probably had a chance to read this in the packet and just open it up for questions but basically once again we're looking at a four-year project with our ask for year one which would be essentially the community engagement, the outreach working on creating a co-mentorship leadership program and working on a website with the City of Ojai for sustainability.

Master plan is the fourth year deliverable

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:54:20

Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:54:24

Cathy. Cathy, weren't you one of the original groups that actually did the landscaping back here 20-30 years ago?

PresenterKathy NolanGreen Coalition this eveningProposedself-stated3:54:35

Yes on the demonstration project that was in the early 90s Yeah, I was part of that. So we actually there was kind of a concept plan. We actually worked on planning it, actually installing it, procuring all the materials and creating a lot of the free classes that took place there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:54:57

Your private business, if we were to contract with you to provide the same services, where do you think? Would it take four years to develop or longer and how much do you think it would run us?

PresenterKathy NolanGreen Coalition this eveningProposedself-stated3:55:11

So probably three to four years by the time you go through the community engagement process. But I would say between $350,000-$500,000 it could depending on how complex we wanted to make

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:55:27

I remember Sarasota was over $300,000 for that development so to actually To receive Something like that for the cost that you're looking at. I think it's a win for us

PresenterKathy NolanGreen Coalition this eveningProposedself-stated3:55:42

So this is the first stage of that entire process would be for this year one

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:55:48

Thank you

PresenterKathy NolanGreen Coalition this eveningProposedself-stated3:55:50

Yes

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:55:56

It's almost like a process of updating the two past rounds of Libbey Park master planning that we have in the books, that we have in the hopper so to speak. Some of which was useful and some was never adopted but very long ago, generations ago and it almost as I read the addendum it's almost in the form of a contracting In terms of OVGC would be in a coordination role reporting to Robin Godfrey and James Vig at the city.

So that sounds like kind of a contracting thing, and I must admit I'm going to think about this some more because I do think with the campus now being reprogrammed, with the restoration work in Stewart Canyon, Efforts to get more focused on habitat restoration in general for better aquifer recharge and what I hope will be the possibilities with programming Sewell Park for the county.

Yeah, there's a lot of need here and I have to admit I'm going to think about this a little bit more Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:57:44

Any other questions? I just want to thank you for this in-depth report because, to be honest, I was so focused on the El Roblar Hotel. I just have it but I haven't really studied it, glanced at it and while it's on my mind on page... pages aren't numbered Under new building, new partnerships. What page is that? 1, 2, 3, 4. Page four. I just happen to notice in the Ojai Recreation booklet that goes out, that you now have driver education. So since we have not yet, until we have bicycle education in the schools which is my goal why not have, I'm sure we can find, there was a woman in Ojai that did do bicycle. Yeah who it is? We could get her, that could be one of your projects for the next semester in the recreation, at the Recreation Department.

See? City Manager's nodding his head. Yeah so let's talk to Dee about that, Dee and Jeff. That'd be a good project.

PresenterKathy NolanGreen Coalition this eveningProposedself-stated3:58:58

All set? Thank

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction3:58:59

you Kathy this is very helpful report.

PresenterKathy NolanGreen Coalition this eveningProposedself-stated3:59:02

Appreciate

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction3:59:06

it. Ohio Valley Women's Club

PresenterWendy Barkerthe Ojai Valley MuseumProposedself-stated3:59:20

Good evening. I'm Wendy Barker, Executive Director of the Ojai Valley Museum. You guys all know what we do. I'm just gonna give you a little update. I am happy to report that things are going really well at the museum. We recently had a free community event, a reception for our latest exhibition, Ojai at the Crossroads Then and Now. It's the first reception that we've had since before the pandemic so that felt really good.

Other events and programs are back too including weekly walking tours of historic Ojai in a regular schedule of town talks I'm gonna give a plug for this Saturday. We have a treasure sale outside on our patio from nine to three, lots of great donated interesting items for sale including tons of art so if you need art we're the place. We're working with other organizations on both private and community events at the museum that include the Ojai Tennis Club, the Ojia Education Foundation, the Ojai Music Festival and both Rotary Clubs coming up for Living Treasures event.

We recently received a very competitive grant from the National Trust for Historic Preservation. We're going to be producing new interpretive materials to share the story of Gray Gables, now Gables of Ojai which was a national model for a new form of retirement home I sincerely hope that you are proud of the job that we're doing to preserve, explore, celebrate and share our authentic history, art and culture. We appreciate the city's support over the years and we look forward to continuing our mutually beneficial relationship. And now Brian Aikens, our board president.

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CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:01:00

Hello everyone. You all should have the spreadsheet that got passed around. Pretty much the same as last year. All we did was change the dates, numbers are exactly the same. I was in a hurry this afternoon. To protect

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:01:30

the innocent?

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:01:31

I'm kidding. Randy for you here's my binder. It's an ongoing joke for I think 10 years now. So anyway, you can see one of the things I wanted to point out. We're asking $60,000 last year we asked for $50,000. One thing I want to point out in July 21, you'll go down there and you'll see that big amount, $3,240 under maintenance. That's the deal we worked out with James last year for the museum to purchase the new compressor just in case you're wondering.

July 21, first column. If you come down, you'll see 3,240. You look like you're doing a Catholic cross to me there, Susan. So anyway that's a big item that sticks out. So again we're doing everything we can to control our costs. We've been interviewing people. I tell them that we do very extensive financial reports as long I'm around, you're gonna get those financial reports because that's your responsibility to look at them. If you throw them away, that's your fault.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:02:49

I think you made the font a little bigger this year.

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:02:52

Did

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:02:52

I?

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:02:56

I try!

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:02:57

We're all aging. I

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:02:59

will tell you, I looked through real quick none of these costs are salaries people were you know salaries It's the operating expenses that we are asking you for salaries. We go out, we do membership, we do annual appeals, we do the PPP loans, anything we can to get money in. So what else? James I will be looking at the Ventura budget Because I will be checking to see if the Museum of Ventura County is just under community funding, because that $140,000 seemed a little on the lower end.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction4:03:45

And... City of Ventura though, so you said Ventura County?

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:03:48

Oh sorry, City of Ventura. Yeah they get money from the county too. One of the things I keep getting asked for every time when I show up is why aren't you guys part of the city budget? Why are you competing with everybody else? Mr. Miley who I paid him nothing to say those and was recruiting Steve Quillacy across my lap while I remained silent May bring that point up so again, we're very appreciative of the support we As most of you know, I think just did a fabulous exhibit on Ojai warming And so we're getting that message out. We are getting people back into the museum and we are expanding our programs, so.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:04:33

Thank you. Thank you, Brian. Thank you, Wendy. The reception was really fun so thank you. Oh great. Getting ready for

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:04:38

a hundred mile bike ride.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:04:40

I have one question Mary. We seem to do this every year on these maintenance expenditures. My question is why aren't we paying for those in whole? We had this discussion many years ago.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:04:55

Yeah, it's city property.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:04:57

Right? Whose building is that and if you guys were to leave and vacate it's ours so it's our responsibility to maintain it I just know nothing on you James you're doing a good job managing the resources But I just every time this comes up, you know. I remember one time we were charging them $65 to change an outlet and it was like why? You know why aren't they calling us in saying we've got outlets that aren't working or AC is not working or this isn't you know i'm i'm just Always questioned why you folks have to pay for something that we're technically accountable for.

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:05:37

So if you follow that line straight over on maintenance, you'll see from March 22nd it's a matter of $1,856 One of the things that Wendy mentioned is more and more we are not only integrating ourselves with the community, but more and more the community is tending to wake up to what we have. And so we did a concert last about a year ago. We put 300 seats back there with a nice stage that was brought in by the Ojai Underground Group Two hundred? No.

You sure? I set them up, I think it was three. I took them down and I still think it was three. Wendy took them down! It was a lot. Yeah we all took them down, it was very hot. So of that $1,850, 1,800 of that is one half of $3,600 that we've spent At the suggestion of the lighting specialist for the festivals to improve our lighting rather than the ones we bought at, I don't know, Costco and threw them up real quick. Now we have the nicer ones and we're getting a lot more people that are very interested in opening an event back there. And so we're actually looking at the contract on that and what other people are paying for the event. So Wendy and Kristen have that assignment

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:07:10

I think when we have additional hearings on CIP, we've talked about this in the past is how are we going to take maintenance from our public facilities and actually not put them in CIP but actually put them in a maintenance fund so that there's money set aside for these roof repairs. Stucco and plaster windows doors. There's a tremendous amount of upkeep on our public facilities We just got to figure out how to budget for that not see IPA

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:07:41

Yes, yes And as you know, it's a very old built building however we have a very nice gentleman who I think maybe his wife said he You need to get out of the house and go find some place to fix other people's places. And

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:07:56

so,

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:08:00

John Cuthbert, if you know John? Anyway, fabulous and he is always there repairing everything. These are all the little things inside and we love John. They've been a big supporter over the years. So again Randy, we're very grateful that for that. We try to do the best job we can for interior stuff and to fix it. Yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:08:23

Bill? Membership trends uh how's it going and also I assume you if your 990 is not posted you could provide it

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:08:34

Absolutely, we have our tax return done. Some years ago we realigned our calendar year to the fiscal year so we have that prepared by the same accountant down in Ventura.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:08:46

Membership trends how's that going? Well of course

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CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:09:00

Yeah, I mean the benefit was that we added a second essentially annual pill. We had the annual pill that was going at the end of the year then we added one in the August-September time frame and so that was very helpful in that way but as Wendy's saying we just talked about because I'm like okay our memberships are in you know it was that people were like well you know Can't go to the museum,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:09:32

but that's

PresenterWendy Barkerthe Ojai Valley MuseumProposedself-stated4:09:34

changed If you remember we were closed for over a year

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:09:38

right

PresenterWendy Barkerthe Ojai Valley MuseumProposedself-stated4:09:39

and The means you know benefit of membership. It's it's really just about supporting the local museum or Coming free and if you couldn't even walk in the door You know But it's it trending upwards.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:09:54

Okay? Thank you.

PresenterWendy Barkerthe Ojai Valley MuseumProposedself-stated4:09:55

Thank you

CommentChris GardnerProposed · by introduction4:09:57

Yeah, the one thing I do want to point out is again because of certain tax things we're a donation only you know suggested donation. However in this last period our entry fee entry amounts that we've had shown up were already over budget for the year So people have been showing up and people have been donating to the cash register, to the box. Good people. Any other questions? Okay, thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:10:26

Good news, thank you. Thanks Wendy, thanks Brian.

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction4:10:31

Ojai Valley Hospital Community Foundation. Ojia Valley Chamber of Commerce

CommentSummer McComasProposedself-stated4:10:53

Hello again. I'm here as the Ojai Chamber Board President on behalf of our CEO. Jamie Fleming to present our annual grant application for funding for the Ojai Chamber per subcontracted work for the Ojai City. Jamie would be here himself, but he is undergoing a serious illness and is currently with his family in Nashville while in treatment at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.

One great thing about the pandemic is the ease of working remotely via Zoom and email so Jamie is still fully working for the chamber remotely. I would like to introduce Andy Gilman, our board treasurer to discuss our grant application and answer any questions that the City Council may have. Thank

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction4:11:36

you. Ma'am your name for the record? Summer McComas.

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:11:43

Council and staff Andy Gilman of her resident and Chamber of Commerce treasurer So a couple of points you have the list of all the activities that the chamber is doing The amount requested this year. You will notice is a 65% from the last fiscal year And our intention is to have zero reduction in services as a result of that and our longer-term intention Is to actually basically pull ourselves away from funding from the city going forward at some point. And the reason why we feel some confidence in that is that coming off of literally two disasters, the Thomas fire and COVID, we are seeing a much more robust business community. So the gap that you will see when you look at On the revenue side, of course there's the city contribution that has been ongoing.

We believe that while we are maintaining what we think of as a conservative budget if you look at the membership dues in your packet, we've identified potentially and again this would be best case scenario but something like a $25,000 increase in membership dues simply because We have worked with the businesses supporting them during this time. We're seeing more of them now coming ready to pay dues So that includes new businesses, of course that start but it's working with the existing ones that are there so that's our longer-term plan and at what we should see is each year a reduction at some point that there would be no cost to the city except for where we would The city would see the chamber as a valued partner and only in a kind of a contracted basis request from the council and the staff.

So we think we are a vital part of the community, we see it growing you have the list of activities those will all continue So to anticipate questions, if we were to receive less what we would do is we would look at the services that are here and work with you to decide what priorities could we see? What could be cut and what could be carried on. We looked at all of those scenarios as well so obviously we could reduce staff. Those would be a worst case scenario reduced staff time but in general what we're looking at is the same kinds of activities with this request with no change with a board High mandate priority to work with new members and existing members for the dues collection So diversifying our revenue streams there Do you have any questions for me and 990 of course

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:14:16

Yes, if you could yep, thank you if you could it's just I think it's good practice, you know,

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:14:22

oh absolutely.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:14:23

Yeah Remind me How many, you started or Jamie did this new with the Rotary, the downtown Winter Wonderland thing. It was packed. Do you remember what the count was? The estimate of how many

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:14:36

people- I don't know what that is. Summer do you happen to know what that is? No. We could certainly get that for you but I agree that was highly successful event.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:14:43

It was amazing how many people gathered for that.

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:14:45

That's right and Rotary too as you pointed out.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:14:47

Nice collaboration. So I was just wondering about that and then some of these other things You know Jamie's been doing a lot of this. Yes, right. And is there going to be some... Diversifying of effort.

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:15:02

Yep, so what we're gonna well We actually our board has been vigorously meeting about this Obviously that's it something that we're going to have to address and so things like website maintenance people like me can do that I have that skill set So we'll be taking that on But there will be some of these things where we will be having to step in and it depends on frankly Jamie's health He may be back and everything's fine If he's not then we will adjust with either new staff or board members taking on various things

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:15:28

I guess my observation is that you get strength in numbers. I'm hopeful it will be fully, he'll be fully back. Me too. But even if he is fully back even on top of that I think diversifying the effort would be wise.

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:15:41

I totally agree with you and so as a board that's been a big priority for us especially these past few months is to say who can really take on these committee chair Positions and take on that activity even things that Christy the staff person That's in the office is doing there's things that we can do so that she could take up some of this slack So for example, the chamber mixers that we have once a month that Christy has taken on Yeah We can obviously we help out with that but then other tasks that are more office task For example, the website means the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:16:11

death of human capitalists community is astonishing And to the extent that you can tap into that and get people participating in things like, you know, the parking issues. Yes sir. The formula business code issue from a business perspective. You know it doesn't... There's a spectrum of people available and I just think that'd be great if

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:16:34

we could... Nope take into heart... If we could

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:16:36

organize that effort more broadly.

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:16:38

Yes thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:16:41

Yes. Andy, thank you for the report and welcome for your first time here. Not my first time here. Representing. I took a COVID break. Very nice. Thanks. I know in the past I've asked for this James do you think by the next staff meeting you can research all of their activities and see if there's any redundancy in what staff is doing? Like when I see Ojai Day, I'm not sure what their relationship to Ojai Day is. I thought we ran Ojai day but things like that can we just look at that and kind of give us a hand? I know that they're part of the parking and traffic committee but that's an ad hoc committee open to the public you know and when i look at the well certificate of city buildings as I love that idea. I think it's a great idea but I don't know if we have anything And our policies regarding being a well-certified business might be something we might want to look at.

I see a benefit to it, so those are the things I'd like to flesh out. Can we do that? What's the win if you're doing it? How does it enhance us and then can we make it not necessarily something mandatory but something that we reward them with something. You know, maybe we forgive a business license certificate for a year. How do we do it? We can figure it out but...

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:18:12

No I agree. I mean it's such a milestone to get that certification so I totally agree the more that we can work together to make that beneficial I would like to see. Right I'm going to go off script for two seconds and just say, I have two big personal wishes for the chamber going forward. One would be that it becomes the place where new people come to figure out what to do in Ojai where the offices right now it's too far removed from the center of town. So some long-term vision would be in some central location, that's where people would come to say oh what's happening in Ojai? What concerts are there you know? Where the restaurants to eat at etc etc.

And the second thing is to have a strongly dynamic committee that is working to attract people and Brian and I talked about this years ago but we have a committee of people that are working to make Ojai the kind of place that would attract the kind of businesses that we would want here For example, I worked at BST for 18 years on Bryant Street. It was all people just working on their computers eating lunch out most days 60 people in the office and we just don't really have businesses like that now so if we can build this kind of infrastructure or Relationship with the city where we're attracting those businesses. I think that's a huge Huge boon that the chamber could bring working with the city So that's a priority as well that you don't have in this packet But that's my goal good ideas

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:19:39

I Think it's critical that we find a central location for the chamber.

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:19:44

Yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:19:45

Yeah,

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:19:46

it's really it's rent. It's a visitor center something like a visitor center Without the controversy Right, but that's the idea a place that is central where people would see it I mean what the museum has would be a great example right? What's in that office that people would come and all those resources are there so it's just it's too far removed but There's calls every single day about what to do and where to go.

So it's clearly seen, but it needs to be more central. I agree.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:20:18

Thank you

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.774:20:18

Andrew. Thank you.

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction4:20:19

Thank You Summer much appreciated Next is Ojai Children's Memorial Garden And next is the Girls Empowerment Workshop. Okay,

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:20:43

that's it?

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction4:20:43

That's

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:20:45

it. We called them but nobody came at the beginning. Anybody on Zoom potentially?

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction4:20:54

Somebody has their hand raised.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:21:00

Good, interesting.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:21:03

Two public comments. Okay. Take those?

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction4:21:08

Shall I see if this person on Zoom is one of the... Mr. Philip Carruthers, if you're there, I'm calling on the Zoom.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:21:21

Yes, can you hear me?

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction4:21:23

Yes, are you representing one of the community groups tonight?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:21:27

Yes, the Ojai Community Hospital Foundation.

CommentAndy GilmanProposed · by introduction4:21:32

Okay then if you would like to go ahead and speak and you have three minutes and you can go ahead and share with us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:21:40

I think I was there earlier tonight with the executive director, but we had to leave. She was not feeling so well. So anyway, yeah, wanted to thank the city council for considering our application. The Ojai Hospital is a very important resource for the health of residents of the Ojai Valley. Ojai is fortunate to have the hospital since rural hospitals have been closing at an alarming rate across the country The Ojai Hospital's foundation's mission is to support the financial needs of our community hospital, which are great by the way.

An important part of the hospital is a new skilled nursing facility also known as the Continuing Care Center, a 75 bed facility providing short-term rehabilitation and long-term care to patients. Over 90% of the patients are residents of the Ojai Valley The COVID pandemic was very challenging for the skilled nursing facility. Several times a facility had to lock down visitations due to COVID, which is a real hardship for the patients and their families.

But as we enter a new phase of this pandemic, we're learning ways to minimize exposure and allow our patients to visit with their loved ones. One of the best protections, of course, is to have everybody vaccinated However, even with vaccinations we've seen breakthrough cases and need to provide the safest way possible to have family and friends visit. The best practice is to have socialization take place outdoors when possible. Thanks to our weather, we can do that much of the year.

We having outdoor patio furniture with the proper shade umbrellas would provide a beautiful and safe environment for our residents and patients. And that's the crux of our application here is funding to have the proper outside patio furniture where the patients and their guests could meet in a safe environment. So, We hope you'll consider that. We very much appreciate your consideration. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:23:58

Thank you, Philip. Any questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:24:01

Did you have a list of the specific pieces of furniture you were looking for? I didn't see

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:24:07

it. Yeah, there is a list. It's a preliminary list and I don't have it in front of me now but I think it was something like 117 tables and 51 chairs as I recall.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:24:21

Okay, I see. And I apologize that's down near the last page. Thank you.

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:24:28

OK, thank you. Thanks, Philip. And we do have one public comment. Bill Miley on this item?

Commentmy name is BillProposedself-stated4:24:38

I have to speak at least four times. So hello. My name is Bill Miley. It seems to me that one of the community grant applicants is closer to an institutional element in our city, that their existence and their function could be compared to a foundational element like the foundation of a building. They provide strength in the present and historical continuity into the future almost forever.

So if one considers its absence or demise, you might cry or you might have a big void. So many of you know what I'm talking about, the Ojai Valley Museum. It seems to me that an organization which builds historical memories and historical events in environmental and built elements can be considered to be an institution My what this gives me then leads me to say I believe that the museum should not have to compete in a community funding process.

It should receive a guaranteed annual funding To maintain and sustain the memory functions of what I see as an institutional organization for our city. It becomes a memory arm of city government. And one other thing, One likes you to consider establishing a priority criteria form, which you would then ask each of the applicants to complete. And they would have these elements and I'll send it to you. One, the impact of the dollars on the city.

Two, the efficient use of the dollars and what kind of a program. Three, effectiveness of the program. Four, percent of total budget. Five, is it a continuing program or a one-time project? Six, what does the money produce? Seven, what's the impact it will have on Ojai City? Eight, how will it be measured? And nine, what percent of your budget is acquired through fundraising? And I'll send that to you. Thanks.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:27:21

Thank you Bill. Next we have Jeffrey Starkweather.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:27:27

Wouldn't be right if he didn't speak.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed4:27:29

Yeah, I know. I have to at least follow Bill. We're kind of a tag team. I think it's important to think about a small town government. Your non-profits actually become an expansion of your city services, expansion of people being involved and it's not really comparable to compare them to a larger city because a lot of those functions are actually being done by the city I don't think you should have a rigid dollar amount. I think you should look at each of these things and how much are they adding to the city? When I was in North Carolina, we did this for our county, we had each applicant have to provide a multiplier analysis like how much of the dollars you're providing, how many volunteers are coming in? How many other events are happening because of that?

And we'll talk about your physical infrastructure. How important is your roads and so forth that you're penned... That's one of the things you might even cut back on but we don't think of civic infrastructure which is what makes a community. DeTocqueville when he came to America That's what he talked about was the amazing civic infrastructure that we had of people volunteering and I've just whipped out something from the internet.

An organization called Public Agenda, and they describe infrastructure provides the scaffolding for all the ways that people engage in public life. From voting to volunteering to having a say in public decisions. Research in a range of fields shows that strong, ongoing connections between residents, robust relationships between policy makers and their constituents, accessible information on public issues and positive attachment between citizens and their community are highly correlated with a variety of positive outcomes increased in public health, better student success, and resilience of your community.

So I really think that we need to think of this more as expanding our resources in the community. It's a multiplier and I would not just automatically have a dollar figure, I would look at each of these and see what value they're providing to our community. The future people sitting up here You know, when we're all gone. Maybe some of the people that actually volunteer in these activities and decide, you know, I think I might... In fact, some of you might have even decided to do that because of these activities. So it's kind of like, you know, we're all getting older. We need a new generation of people who are going to become leaders of our community and I think supporting these civic organizations can help do that. Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:30:44

Thank you Jeffrey. All right, we'll move on to discussion. We have any?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:30:52

It's going to digest all this information. Okay,

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:30:54

alright any comments? Okay well thank you all for coming and presenting and doing all the amazing work that you're doing. Sorry Ryan go ahead. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:31:02

was gonna say something real quick sorry i was trying to raise my hand. I just want to echo what Jeff said. I've said for a long time that um I've always felt that the fourth leg of the chair in Ojai that keeps the whole community together is a robust involvement from non-profits and other community groups For years and years and years, and being involved in Multiples of them, including eight years with Ojai Flow and other stuff. I just wanna reiterate that yes we are always going to disproportionately spend some money as a city percentage wise compared to big cities for this type of stuff. It's a very large request this year. We still have to be fiscally responsible but it is the there's so many if you go through the history of Ojai Almost every significant accomplishment or pushback on something that was really a threat to Ojai has really existed because there was a really great volunteer style, nonprofit style group that was involved in it.

So I just wanna say like this is, I love everybody for showing up we gotta figure out it's gonna be a hard decision on what we're gonna do but it is a core element and directly to what Jeff said yes I don't know if it would have, uh, I don't know if being on Ohio Flow is the reason I'm on the council now but it sure made a big difference. And I think there's a lot of people and a lot of younger people are involved in some of those community groups as a kind of an entry point to getting involved in a lot of different community things so I just want to be super supportive.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:32:36

Thanks, Ryan. And thank you everybody again for coming and waiting and speaking. Much appreciated for all your service. It's really inspiring. All right we'll move on to council member reports.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:32:54

Just really quick, BCTC is meeting in person again down at the Camarillo Council Chambers and we had a meeting that was Very interesting in terms of a discussion of the alternatives for the 101 widening and the HOV lane. Granny is laughing, it's been going on for years. Years, good luck. And so there was a spirited discussion about the whole idea of you know what? Adding a lane doesn't necessarily solve congestion.

You're gonna be a son-of-a-gun. I wanted to point out that that has gotten me thinking more and more about why do we think You solve parking problems by adding parking capacity if we see that adding a traffic lane doesn't necessarily solve a freeway congestion problem. So, you know, we have a lot of thinking to do about this.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:33:54

I always ask, I said by the $15 million environmental impact study first of all on an area that we've already studied. I was lost on and then the second thing is by the time they built it which would have taken 15 years what would traffic look like 15 years from...and I was on it two years ago. So it was observed to me then, and then when you ask them why aren't we looking at different forms of transportation? We got the whole center of these freeway systems that are calling out for some form of people moving device.

And I'm going to tell you what I got the feedback was well if we took him from Thousand Oaks and we came down the grade they couldn't stop Seriously, that was the response I got out of a county supervisor. By the time we started in Thousand Oaks, coming down the middle of the highway, coming down the grade, we couldn't put the brakes on. That was one of the reasons not to think outside the box. I was amazed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:34:56

There's more thinking outside the box is what I'm reporting. Yes, good for us. Anything

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:35:02

else? Okay, city manager's report.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction4:35:06

Yeah, I have a couple items. I'll try to get through them quickly So we are planning on May 17th to one week from today to have the joint meeting with the Parks and Recreation Commission They've prepared our presentation that they're planning or that they would like to give to the City Council And it'll be our first parks and rec joint meeting in I think two-and-a-half years or maybe next week yeah Maybe even a little bit longer than that at this point So that's one week from today is when we're planning to schedule that. On May 24th, we have a few items we're working on some committee recommendations were working to get back to Council but the two items that are firm for May 24 at this point will be the next budget workshop for the capital improvement project And then also the discussion requested by Council at the last meeting to discuss districting and kind of the status of districts.

So those are both listed on the… Ranked Choice Voting Options. Yes, Ranked Choice Voting Options. Those are listed on the May 24th agenda. And then I wanted to just give a little bit of information because we keep saying that we are seeing tons of events coming through this year and more events than we've ever seen. And so, just as a little sample of that this Sunday people may have seen we have a multiple sclerosis bike ride that will pass through Ojai.

There was a sign up that had said that the there is a detour, I think. But we wanted to clarify we're going to post this online. There is no street impact expected. They're expected to go onto the bike trail through Ojai. So we've clarified that and we'll put some more information on that but that race has about 400 riders that will come through Ojai, there will be a rest spot set up at Libbey Park where the riders will be able to rest on their ride-through We also have the Recreation Department's annual open house event, which the banner across the Ojai Avenue has more information. But that is scheduled Saturday May 21st from 11 a.m to 2 p.m.

It's gonna include informational booths, raffles, giveaways, obstacle courses, game room play and much more so everybody's invited out to the Rec department's open house And then lastly, we had upped the limit on the number of concerts right before COVID. We had increased it from 21 concerts per season to 24 concerts per season. We never got close to 24, you know during the pandemic obviously. But we are expecting this week to confirm the 24th concert of this year and so we are going to have a full concert season in addition to all the events like The Music Festival, Art in the Park, The Independence Day Parade & Concert, Lavender Festival, Topa Music Festival Rotary's Taste of Ojai, Ojai Pops Concert Storytelling Festival and of course Ojai Day.

So we have a full slate and there's also going to be some non-profit events that are new this year like local nonprofits gonna be putting on a talk by Mary Ann Williamson and there's also another group putting on a benefit for the Ukraine. So we are seeing, there's just a ton of events. We're working to make sure that we're gonna be able to monitor those events have the appropriate measures in place all that kind of stuff but it's going to be an exciting year for Ojai.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:38:45

Whole lot of fun. Thank you so much for organizing

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:38:48

a lot of walking by the police

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:38:50

department

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:38:52

Because I'm always concerned about parking for all those events, so when's our next meeting? I'm very eager the parking committee with Bob daddy's every morning complaints about No bike parking. I think we need to get with it.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction4:39:07

Yeah, yeah we did have one of the members is unavailable or I think unavailable so we'll follow up on that and try to get the group back together for that and I think the idea was to try to have one more meeting and then bring some recommendations back to the council.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:39:23

Wonderful thank you so much James exciting okay future agenda items?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:39:28

I don't know if this is a future agenda but I want to, oh is it okay or am I out of order? It's late hour. Did you see the article in the VC Star on the Oxnard Adopts Rent Control Program adds tenant protections? I think ten people sent me a link to this they really want us to pay attention and do something because it's just getting crazier and crazier

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:39:54

I'm intimately familiar with it. Yes, it's a rent stabilization ordinance and an eviction protection.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:40:03

I've read the full text.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:40:07

So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:40:08

are

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:40:09

you asking to agendize the discussion on rent stabilization and eviction or do you want us to just read up on it?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:40:18

Well no, I don't know quite what I'm asking for. I could use some help with what I'm asking for but it feels like we need to respond to what's going on in the community and we need to find a time because our agendas have been so packed. Go

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:40:35

ahead Bill.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:40:39

Just make one comment. Oxnard is going to have to budget about 1.5 million dollars to run their program and they're gonna put a fee on every landlord So what's their budget? Their city budget, I think it was $300 million. I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:40:59

just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:41:01

saying it's a difficult discussion

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:41:04

for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:41:05

a very small city to have.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:41:06

It is though the solution, rent stabilization and living wage that's all we got.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:41:12

At some point do we want to agendize that?

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:41:16

Can we talk about

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:41:17

it?

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:41:28

I would like to agendize, well as you know June is Pride Month and so it's important to value of course all of our residents. And so I'd like to put a presentation item on the June 14th agenda to issue a proclamation and for a few local activists and residents to give a short presentation about past present and future events and organizations that have supported and continue to support our LGBTQ community here in Ojai. So it'll be just five minutes or so.

Commentmy name is BillProposedself-stated4:41:59

Mayor, may I speak about Councilwoman Francine's comment?

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction4:42:08

It's not on the agenda Mr. Miley so it's always a council's option but...

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:42:13

Could we wait till it becomes on the agenda Bill?

CommentKathy CloughProposed · by introduction4:42:16

So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:42:16

I participated in trying to

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:42:17

help Susan

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:42:18

find a rental.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:42:21

So, I became really

Commentmy name is BillProposedself-stated4:42:22

familiar with the cost of rentals in the Olay Valley And it's skyrocketing, it's going up really badly. And I would suggest that maybe there might be a need for the city council to look at the cost of rents and what they're doing in Hawaii because it's really scary, very scary and very troublesome. Thank you. Yeah.

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CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:42:55

Thank you Bill. You're too young, no kidding. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed4:43:03

made contact with a person who just wrote a book called The Affordable City and he has a whole program and he's a professor at UCLA so I just reached out to him and I'm inviting him to come to Ojai to the Ojai Democratic Club to do a talk People can respond to it, but he addresses that issue. How it would apply here is a different story. So he's actually right now as he's preparing to come, he's looking at our housing element and so forth so he could actually take the stuff and we can have a discussion of that. And you might wanna invite him to the city council while I was here, I don't know. But anyway.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:43:54

Wonderful, thank you. Good news.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:43:57

I have a question about future agenda. If it turns out that the next meeting is not very busy, right?

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction4:44:05

I think it will

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:44:06

be. So I'm going to discuss just with you the letter from Lauren as I'm not quite sure what to do about it. I'm gonna meet with her about the speed that I would like a better understanding of how the speed How those figures were arrived at, because she's pointing out that a bicycle triggers

PresenterKathy NolanGreen Coalition this eveningProposedself-stated4:44:28

it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:44:29

And so the average might not just apply to car traffic. It might not be accurate because we were trying to figure out how the speed conclusions were different from her observations.

CommentCindy ConveryProposed · by introduction4:44:44

I can answer that, and there is some explanation. We don't record any data for any vehicles that go under a certain speed limit which would be most bicycles but I think the simple answer because I think they had a lot of ideas they wanted to share is that could be discussed as part of the capital improvement project program so.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:45:04

Thank you.

CommentJoan KemperProposed · by introduction4:45:06

Okay well on that note thank y'all for your insights and participation and we're adjourned.