City Council — 2022-05-24

Good evening, we have a

quorum. May we have the roll call please Gail?

Right hand over your heart, repeat after me.

commission reports tonight? Correct James? I would like to take a moment of silence. The council would like to take a moment of silence to recognize and support the town of Uvalde and Robb Elementary School in Texas where 14 children were shot today and one teacher. And just to quote Gandhi, nonviolence is a supreme law. By it alone can humankind be saved. So let's just take a moment here in solidarity for that community.

Thank you Mayor.

Thank you all.

Mayor, I have one more thing to do. It's Councilman Francina's birthday tonight and I know I didn't bring her a cupcake or a cake but I still think that we can acknowledge this wonderful woman and her contributions to this community by singing... Happy Birthday to You! Happy Birthday to You! Happy birthday dear Azusa,

happy birthday to you!

Thank you Randy for doing that

and I'd like

to reiterate and thank you so much for all that you've given to our community for so long.

All right. Well, let's move on to public communication.

Any public communication?

I'm sorry. Public communication, we have Nick Otway, Jeffrey Starkweather and Bill Miley. Good evening

and happy birthday.

My name's Nick Oatway, I'm a local architect. I first laid eyes on Ojai when I was about 10 years old and then several years later after I'd finished or was working in architecture school my folks moved here in 1967 I've been interested in the town as an architect and visually for a long time. And I'd like to say, I really take my hats off to all of you working law enforcement working on the city council Because you have to do two things which seem so opposite.

You have to protect what's here and sort of the culture, but you also have to have the eyes to look a little bit beyond and see what's happening. And of course today in all our lives, however long we've lived there are tremendous pressures that are outside of Ojai that are affecting how we need to look just over the horizon and that is Climate change is one of them.

And the effect of our finance system creating a tremendous amount of wealth in a small group of people and a lot of other people struggling And we all talk about it. So I just want to, and part of that pressure has been created by our transportation system. The fact that most of us, in fact I'm sure all of us arrived here in an automobile and will get home in an automobile or maybe somebody was on a bicycle Susan, were you on a bicycle?

Normally I would be. OK. No, I barely made it from the top of North Sea.

Anyway, I just wanted to make a word in your heads for looking just beyond today to a town where there are more people can do more of their life without having to get in a car At least five days a week, not every day, not every moment. But have choices as adults. I mean we have 31 flavors of ice cream when we go to the ice cream store. We have one way of getting around most of us. That's something out of whack there.

That's why five years ago when I was talking to the school district board or slipping in my plan to their school district site, which is just down the road and such an important part of downtown. This is a sketch. Thank you. Yeah it's just a little And I think Ojai will soon get to a point where having a street, however short or long or whatever that's just for people on foot.

To get home, to get to their work loft, the work apartment loft, Get to school, and we'll be very much right in the present moment of solutions to the town. So I just want to leave you with that. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Nick. Could you point us to the street or describe

it? OK. This is just a wild little thing that I made for myself So that I could understand. It's the school district site and the little curvy dark street is a pedestrian street. The blue? The blue is the creek right next door which the city has to figure out how to have water running And the pedestrian street leads off from Matilla High and ends up at the bus going to Ventura.

And people would live in the street, there would probably be coffee shops at one end or the other and it would be a real bus station not just a bench. But this might be five, 10 years down the road but it would be something worth considering

Thank you

Nick Nick I'm allowed to Nick. Hey, I've got a comment. I love your comment about a real bus station because I have seen those in Oregon where it's not our shameful bench in front of Bank of America with no shade, you know It looks like it almost looks like what how can I say? Like a courtyard in a beautiful high-end library or something and people are very comfortable while they're waiting for the bus and it's it's all it's all kinds of people not just the ones without cars as people who choose to The convenience of public transportation and for that to succeed, we all know it has to be as comfortable and convenient as a private car. And we don't have a choice because we have a narrow two-lane road I just wanted to briefly state, Pete, we didn't have a presentation tonight.

Thank you for yours.

Okay, next we have Jeffrey Starkweather and then Bill Miley and Thank you for sticking to the three minutes appreciate it

Good evening City Council members citizens mayor And happy birthday. I May go back as far as anybody in knowing Sousa because we went to high school together

I knew your sister in elementary.

That's true, she was four years younger but yeah anyway the and I also want to support what Nick is talking about about walkability so I'm a big believer in that by the way we when we came to Ojai we gave up one of our cars we have one car my wife and I share it I use it most of the time because I go to meetings, but she actually goes to meetings in her pedicist.

So anyway, it can be done here at Ojai. Reflect and ask, I know Mr. Weyrich is going to speak to this but I spent two very long nights at two school trustee meetings and spent long hours preparing for them. But we've gotten this issue of the swimming pool and it was stated to me numerous times by officials, I won't mention names That, oh we're not including the town in any kind of programming because they said they didn't want to participate which I thought that can't be true from knowing you all. Anyway, I just found out today that comment came about from a time before the current superintendent was even here Some of you may not have even been on city council then. I don't know, but it's kind of...

So I think the issue is around whether we have a 35 meter pool that just serves the high school or we have the 50 meter pool which is what they promised us during the campaign and aquatic community aquatic center. Now I've been arguing that we need a feasibility study so we can understand the costs of both How that would be programmed and whether it's even feasible with the operating costs, because they are expensive.

But one of the key things as the design people say, programs before design. And we have been dealing with designs before program. So you have a rec department and I know Bill is going to talk about this but I think this is a great opportunity for the rec department, the rec board And this board to talk about what kind of programming could be held at that community pool and make it a community assets. And it might even be something that attracts students to our school system, which would be really the only sustainable way we can finance our schools because most of our funding comes from states, $15,000 per student and coming up with schemes to make money without adding students. is not a long-term solution, so thank you.

Thank you, Jeffrey. Next we have Bill Miley.

Good evening. For the record my name is Bill Miley. I have two items. First, I have a secret about Sousa. How...

Those are going in my memoir.

Long! Not how old. How long she's lived in Ojai? 66 years. That's a really nice number too. Second item is about the school board's school district bond program to build a community aquatic center. As a community invested citizen, I recently have participated in two school board meetings on the 11th of May and last night. Last night there was a robust discussion throughout the evening.

The value of making this a community aquatic center beyond the school district needs has emerged, in my opinion, very strong and many others think that too. Several past community efforts tried to develop a community pool and we know it didn't work. Now it seems likely to occur. The potential for a valley-wide collaborative effort to make this happen, I and others believe is in the wind.

Last evening there was a focus on the choice for school pool size location cost by school bond funds already approved and especially how the community use would be available but importantly the operating costs the maintenance costs and even more important the revenue sources to pay for it all With climate change heating us up, an Aquatic Center cooling is needed on top of all the inherent values that Aquatic Center will provide to schools, children, youth, families, swim teams, adults, seniors, folks with disabilities and others.

Several of us last evening spoke of the need value and motivation of our city government its willingness to become actively Excuse me. Supportive and involved with the school district to enable this to happen will benefit our whole valley for almost forever in the sense of the youngest of us now, it will provide 50 to 100 years of really good aquatic function for all of us in the valley. Thank you.

Thank you Bill.

Mayor, can I just note since that is the pool is the hot topic. I think at the moment so just note that we are planning to have a discussion on that item on the June 2nd parks and rec meeting. So anybody who's interested in listening or participating in that that that's when that meeting that items scheduled at this time

Great. Thank you, James.

One other thing. You know I've met with a school board member. I've asked this council and I've asked James to figure out how to do a joint meeting and the pool would be one of the topics And I don't know why these two bodies can't figure it out. We're not each other's enemy, and if anything the community at large looks up to these two bodies as the adults in the room and sometimes we're not acting like it. So again, I'm going to ask that we figure out how to do a joint session.

Wherever the TV is, I'll just look it in the school board in the eye and say you folks need to figure out how to help us out by meeting together and meeting the challenges of this community together and not at each other.

Thank you Randy. Any public comment on Zoom Gail?

If there's anyone in the Zoom queue who would like to speak, please use the raise hand function now.

Okay let's move on to the consent calendar. We do have two public comments so let's start with Janet Cull item J.

My name is Janet Cole, I live in Ojai and I have been a trolley driver for 13 years. The Ojai Trolley is unique, quaint and I believe essential to the culture of Ojai. Some of our riders use the trolley as their only social outlet. Many travel to the grocery store, bank, post office, hospital and medical appointments but for most the trolley is their only mode of transportation to and from work.

Over the last two years the trolley service like many other local businesses has suffered specifically With reduced ridership, loss of drivers and most importantly the inability to recruit new qualified drivers. Staff has done an extensive salary survey of nearby transit agencies and has outlined a plan to keep our recruiting ability competitive to attract new drivers and to retain existing drivers.

The modest salary adjustment the staff recommends is the first for the Transit Service in 10 years Staff has determined that adequate funding for this plan will be available from government COVID relief funds and will not impact the general fund. I know the council votes on many things with a city pocketbook in mind, but I hope you'll put a little heart into your decision. Come ride the trolley, meet your constituents Experience how needed the trolley is and how appreciative our riders are.

Please show your support by accepting the recommendations your staff has made regarding Ojai's vital community transportation service. Please vote for the trolley.

Thank you Janet, and thank you for your service.

You thank me twice a month! What we need is your support.

Okay, next we have Bill Miley and item L.

Good evening Bill Miley this is about items L the local road safety plan Because I am one of the two Ojai City representatives of the Citizens Advisory Committee for the Ventura County Transportation Commission, this especially interests me. With the city's contract grant-writing firm California Consultants ready to aid us in writing grants, this will be a valuable document once awarded $40,000 and the street safety study completed reviewed and enacted.

I especially want to see the review of our downtown Ohio Avenue results between North Ventura Street going east to Bald Street as in my opinion This really needs very serious study and adjustments. Vehicle congestion, vehicle noise, sit outside in a restaurant like Nick and I did yesterday and watch and listen to the trucks and big mufflers go by? It's just sad to see that businesses have to put up with that.

Bicycle risk, lack of dedicated bicycle lanes And something hard to pin down, what I call and others would call the gentleness of Ojai's ambience. It's not in the downtown area when it's busy with vehicles. It's not there. So I'm looking forward to the script. Thanks. Thank you

Bill.

Any

comments on Zoom Gail?

If anyone in the Zoom queue would like to speak on the consent calendar please raise your hand now use the raise hand function now All

right, motion to approve.

Move to approve.

I'll

second.

OK, roll call please, Gail?

with a special appreciation for Jay.

Council Member Francina? Yes Council Member Blatz?

Yes

Okay, thank you. All right let's move on to discussion items number two to ratify the appointments of the Arts Commissioners.

Yeah, and if I can just add real quick closing that out so I do want to say for the record that the City Council was immediately supportive of the Recommendations for the the trolley program. And so Janet your comments are Well taken and then I also just want to note that as soon as that was presented to the council is immediately supported So thank you for approving that Moving forward to the ratification of the appointments of the Arts Commission, arts commissioners. So we have moved to the new process and this is our first appointments for the Arts Commission under the new process where commissioners to the Arts Commission are appointed by in successive order by individual city council members subject to the ratification by the full City Council We had talked recently because we've been shifting over to this new approach.

And so the last time we had brought a couple of appointments forward, the council had expressed interest in having an opportunity for each person's appointee to come to the council meeting and give a little introduction of themselves And so this is the first where we are following that process and so today, the two items are the two appointments that are being made as Christine Steiner to fill one vacancy which I believe we have determined The for the term ending May 22nd 2022, but that term actually ended two days ago and is now in place until May of 2026.

And then a point so appointing Christine Steiner to that seat until May of 2026. And then appointing Nigel Chisholm to a midterm vacancy, which ends May 26th 2024. And it's a little bit confusing because both commissioners were already serving but with recent resignations they're being appointed in these spots and so it's a little bit confusing but we have both commissioners here to give an introduction and answer any questions.

Any questions from Council before Nigel and

Christine? With these two appointments, are there any other vacancies?

There are. There are two other vacancies I believe we received appointments for those vacancies and that they're going to be on the June 14th meeting but so this will have three appointed with two vacancies remaining for that next meeting

Okay, Christina and Nigel who would like to go first?

Thank you. I should note first that I had dental surgery this afternoon, but I didn't want to miss the opportunity to be here so if I slur or if I faint, you'll know why. So Mayor Sticks and members of the council, I'm honored to stand for reappointment to the Arts Commission. The Arts Commission as you know has had a bumpy year But it's embarking on a fresh start. We have new leadership, chaired by Nigel.

We have a new composition from 7 to 5 making us consistent with the other commissions and soon we'll have new members. And I've personally benefited from warm and productive discussions with Randy Haney and with Bill Wyrick and I'm grateful to both of them for their time. A bit about me, I've lived full-time in Ojai since 2013 so nearly a decade. I'm a strong supporter of the arts in Ojai, of the Ojai Music Festival, the Ojai Playwrights Conference, the Carolyn Glass O'Bailey Foundation, the Ojai Studio Artists. I've provided pro bono advice to artists and to art organizations in Ojia I have works of Ojai artists living and deceased in my art collection. I buy art from the two contemporary art galleries here in town, and so, in short, I'm deeply involved in the arts in Ojai, and I look forward to continuing my service for the city on behalf of the arts in Ojai.

A bit more about me, I'm an art lawyer. I represent artists, museums, collectors and entities that commission public arts such as real estate developers, hotels, public agencies and the like. And prior to private practice, I worked for large cultural organizations in-house And while the needs and resources of Ojai may be on a different scale from those entities, nevertheless this experience gives me an understanding of and sensitivity to the complex communities and organizations. And also the discipline to join my colleagues in carrying out our duties.

And so I'll just conclude by saying that I take seriously the duties that the Art Commission has under the ordinance. That is to advise and make recommendations to you on the needs, resources and opportunities in the arts. And to work cooperatively with the city and with arts organizations in promoting arts and culture in the city. To encourage and stimulate arts activities and to oversee the public art program.

So in conclusion as I said earlier, I look forward to continuing to serve and I thank you for my initial appointment and I look forward to my reappointment. Thank you.

Thank you, thank you Christine

Nigel

All right, happy birthday Susa.

Thank you Nigel

I'm not going to mention that you've been here for 66 years which is news to everybody who's watching now because i thought no way have you been here 66 years it could only be 36 at the most but uh hope you've had a wonderful day and if anybody deserves to come down here in a car instead their bicycle it's you today so that's good for you um all right good all good evening all Nigel Chisholm I'm not gonna speak very much about me as a matter of fact because frankly I know all of you and everybody out there on the tv if they don't know who I am then Where have they been over the last 20 years or so?

But I have got some prepared comments, so I appreciate your time listening to them. Mayor Sticks, Council Members, thank you for your continued service to our community. It's a tough job and you're never going to please anybody or even somebody if you're lucky. However, your time and energy in measure that most of this community will never understand The job that you do goes far beyond the bounds of Council meetings, and I believe it would benefit all if you took a moment to explain on camera the demands of your time over and above sitting in the chairs that you currently occupy.

I'm pretty sure everyone thinks they can do your job – they would be wrong. Of course with elections right around the corner They could always try. Tonight, having finished out my current term on the Arts Commission, I'll be re-nominated to a second term. I'm currently the chair as you know and I'm very honoured to have risen to that level. I am not entirely sure I deserve it but there we are and we're going to get it sorted out.

I am grateful to Council Member Blatts for his trust in me. I hope the rest of the council see fit to trust in me once again. Also tonight, Commissioner Steiner will be re-nominated by Mayor Stix. Mayor Stix you have my thanks and gratitude for her renomination. I'd like to make clear that Commissioner Steiner has all the tools necessary to be a positive and effective member of the Arts Commission.

Over the past few months, along with Vice Chair West, I've worked closely with her and I look forward to continuing that work together as we move forward on the journey of reimagining the Ojai Arts Commission and returning it to its rightful place as an incubator of the arts in Ojai and a strong friend to everyone involved in the arts or whom wishes to be so.

To our artistic community, I state clearly tonight that the Ojai Arts Commission is on your side. Our goal is to help you reach your goal in the best most positive and effective manner possible. We encourage you to attend our meetings and to speak to us about how we can support you. We will listen. Your commissioners and the commission as a whole will become much more accessible and visible in this community over the next year as we look closely at every area of our work and redefine it to meet its mandate We're all volunteers, but at the pleasure of Council we work for you and we want to work for you.

I appreciate the support of Council over the past few months as we brought the Ojai Arts Commission into line with all other appointed commissions. It was timely and it was necessary. As we move forward together it's imperative that we do not find ourselves back in the same situation as before. One of the reasons for the changes was that the appointment process was antiquated and not fit for purpose In large part, it was responsible for the challenges that the Arts Commission has faced over many years.

We cannot go back to a place where a single person appoints whomever they want to this commission. Changing that person from the mayor to the next council member in line does not alleviate that issue. The approved ordinance states clearly that the Council should consult with the chair when an appointment is considered. It doesn't say must, it says should. What we're talking about here is simply best practices.

I'd strongly urge all council members to follow best practices and consult on any appointments with the chair not only of the Arts Commission but of all appointed commissions. You should know that this particular chair will bring opinions and agreed options from all members of the Arts Commission as they will know exactly what is required to be able to do their job properly and address all areas of the arts as is their mandate Placing the chair of any appointed commission in the position of having to object in public, to a nominated individual due to a lack of consultation is unnecessary and wise and unwarranted.

I feel confident that the good cooperation thus far between the Arts Commission and the Council will continue. From June, the reformed Ohio Arts Commission will get down to work and we will make you proud of us. I promise you. Thanks for your time.

Thank you, Nigel. Any comments on Zoom, Gail? If

there's anyone in the Zoom queue who would like to comment on agenda item two please use the raise hand function now. Okay

let's move onto discussion. Quick comment.

I just want to say that I really appreciate comments by both commissioners and say that I'm confident that the way the Commission is going under the Chair's leadership is going to be a broad, integrative view of the Commission's role in the arts of life for the community. And I appreciate that very much.

I appreciate very much that both of you are here in person. In the past, where's Nigel? Oh there you are behind Gail. I can just see each half of you. Yes, I think it's important that new appointees You know, that we meet them in person or if we've already met them. You always learn something new by giving a little speech. It was really good. Thank you. What I would like to know, if I may ask, are you following Mark Whitman's? This is not meant to be controversial.

Attend or watch the video of the proposal from Mark Whitman for the Chaparral property and I'd like to send you the video link. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I don't wanna make it complicated. But I think it's important to follow because there's a lot of community input and interest in one of many proposals to have an art hub at Chaparral.

So I did receive the video, I have watched it, and I am aware of what's going on with Mark and the other people involved in that project. On a personal level, I'm wholly supportive of that avenue of approach. With regard to the Commission, I can't speak for the Commission because we haven't yet taken a position on that. We have had conversations about it, and it is in my mind that we will have Mark Whitman and whomever else is involved in that project come and speak to the Arts Commission possibly in June or if not then hopefully in July to explain to us exactly what they would like and see how we can help. Or even if we should get involved with the support of that.

Yes, thank you. That's exactly what I wanted to know. Thank you very much.

Move ratification.

Yeah, any other comments from... I'm sorry. No? Okay. I just want to say thank you to Christina and Nigel, and loved your comments, and love the whole idea of the Arts Commission being an incubator, and thank you for your leadership, Nigel and Christine. You're clearly deeply involved in the arts community here, and what a gift to have both of you, so thank you. It's exciting. So it sounds like Bill has a motion.

Yeah, I'm ready to move ratification of both appointments. Second.

Let Randy second. Okay,

All right. Thank you. Thank you for coming too and I hope you heal well Christine. Thanks Nigel

I'm sorry, I spoke so long. I didn't know you guys had already passed this but thank you very much! No,

thank you very much for coming.

Thank you. The public likes to hear that. We do have a trolley, we do have a choice. You don't have to walk. We do have a trolley that's been running for awhile. So anyway, thank you all very much.

We'll pass on the good news of the drivers.

Okay, yes. Let's do it. Okay

Yes thank you. Thank You Mayor so we actually had brought a report on this recently I believe was the April 12th meeting regular City Council meeting and We provided a status update after two years of enforcement of the city's gas powered landscaping equipment prohibition and we had talked about a few Items and the City Council asked us to prepare an ordinance on focused on those items. The three key issues was Item one was that chainsaws had not previously been included in the city's prohibition.

The prohibition was limited originally to hedge trimmers, lawn edgers, leaf blowers, non-riding lawn mowers, pole hedge trimmers, pole saws and string trimmers. So, we were asked to consider whether or bring an ordinance back with chainsaws added to that list. We also were asked to develop some language to make it more clear that the property owners could be held responsible if a Landscaper, for example, was using the equipment that the city could hold either homeowners, tenants or property managers responsible as well.

And then lastly, the third item was with language to increase the penalties for violations of these prohibitions. Previously, the penalties were $50 for a first violation and $100 for a second. With the $250 penalty for any subsequent violations. And so, staff has prepared an ordinance that does each of those three things. The penalties are recommended to be increased to $100 for the first violation $200 per second and $500 for subsequent violations.

That is the language included in the ordinance. The ordinance also includes language clarifying that the additional parties can be held responsible, and lastly, the ordinance includes the language related to chainsaws which we note we had identified two options. We ended up including option one in the draft ordinance. Option one for regulating chainsaws would be requiring a permit for any use of a gas-powered chainsaw Versus option 2, which it would be allowing a gas-powered chainsaw for heavy duty use. So only when heavy duty usage is required.

However the reason why we proceeded with option 1 in the proposed ordinance is because option 2 we started to realize that there were several Challenges with enforcement and so what we've recommended in the ordinance is option one, which would require a permit for any use of a gas powered chainsaw. And so the ordinance is prepared and is available for City Council to introduce. It would need to be introduced tonight and then adopted at a subsequent meeting, and then it would go into effect shortly thereafter. So tonight's item is for introduction of the ordinance, and we're happy to answer any questions.

Thank you, James. Any questions?

Susan? I feel a little bit guilty about this because I may have been the one that recommended some of this but I don't think I ever intended...I still want to have a warning without a penalty Yeah, I don't know how my colleagues feel. It's always fair to have a warning and then my understanding was that if they complied whatever they paid would be refunded at some point.

Those are options. The ordinance as drafted doesn't include that. The warning doesn't necessarily need to be in the ordinance, you know if we have direction to give a warning before implementing fines that can be something that we do relatively simply. I'm thinking through the other part and whether that would need to be in the ordinance what do you think?

If I understand the question would be if somebody uses a gas-powered chainsaw without a permit and then comes into compliance, meaning the next time they use one they get the permit. That's sort of a hard one to structure. The scenario where a landscaper, corporate landscaper who doesn't have electric equipment comes in and buys it, we waive the last fine. That's a bit more conducive to that approach for gas-powered chainsaw violation. I guess it could be anybody who comes in with proof of payment or proof of purchase of an electric chainsaw could have the first fine waived if only the first fine. That could be something we can structure

You know something reasonable where you know there's some cost recovery for staff time but we just want to give as much in my opinion as much motivation for compliance.

Gotcha I think that could be structured through it not in the ordinance but additional direction on how to enforce it

How to enforce, yeah.

And that would be to, because the city manager's already authorized in the enforcement process to waive a citation if circumstances warrant so it'd be to give that direction?

Yeah and we did do that. I'll just quickly know we did do that the first time around. I think the council directed for the first six months to give that option so we did do that. And so that would be that would be an option

in case someone is new or I just know that amount of money is a hardship but we do need to clean up the air and reduce noise pollution. So you have to balance those two things other questions ready

So we initiated this in January 28th of 2020 and regarding Councilwoman Francina's statement about how to encourage people To do this versus discourage them We've given them two years Of a lot of leniency And and so the so the question would be You know, I'm gonna save it and I'll wait for if there's any public comments then I'll save it for discussion

Thank you. Any public comments on zoom? Yeah, I **

We have no hard copy public or live public comments. If there's anyone in the Zoom queue who would like to speak on this item, if you would please use the raised hand function now? Okay

thank you let's move on to discussion.

So just to clarify, my statement is we've been discussing leniency for two years. And my observation as I drive through the community, I see more people using battery-operated blowers. I see more homeowners using electric blowers. So in other words, they're stringing up a power cord and they're using that versus buying something different. My concern initially when we started this ordinance is I wanted to start with commercial and bring residential along so there was a bigger learning curve.

This council at that time said no, we're going to bring everyone along at one time and that's what we did. To me if you want to affect change You got to remove gray and The gray is the leniency that we have two offenders, and I just think that we've spent two years doing this now And it's time that one. We hold gardeners not necessarily landscapers Although I do own chainsaws But I do not use chainsaws in the city of oh, I don't do a lot of my work is out of Ohio but um, but the interesting thing is The thing that I want to say here is we've bent over backwards.

And my observation also is that a lot of gardeners that aren't using these blowers and aren't using this new equipment are being allowed to do so by the owners that they work for or the commercial properties that they work for. And I just think it's time that we up the ante, and we let the public and we let the community know that this is for all of us. Not a specific segment, but for all of us. And if we all strive and work together, we are going to have some fruitful positive impacts in the community.