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Call to order, we have a quorum. May we have the roll call please Gail?
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in sitting next to Councilperson
Blatz.
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And approval of the agenda?
Move to approve.
I'll second.
Roll call please, Gail.
Thank you
And tonight we have a very special presentation The presentation of a plaque to Kathy Nolan for 12 years of service to the City's Planning Commission So I'm going to come around and... I'm not going to embarrass you Kathy, I'm going to salute you
I thought maybe you had it pre-up there already.
It is my honor tonight to acknowledge Kathy Nolan's 12 years of service to the City of Ojai Planning Commission. Thank you so much, Kathy! That's a ton of homework and a lot of long late and difficult meetings we salute your dedication and your endurance Kathy is most proud of her work as the chairs of the Complete Streets and Landscape Committees. As a Complete Street's chair for nine years running, Kathy co-wrote the policy and master plan with the community and staff, as well as chairing many meetings with residents.
As Chair of the Landscape Committee she worked on the modified water efficient landscape ordinance and established landscape standards and guidelines. Thank you. I have had the pleasure of working with Kathy, and I so appreciate her thoughtfulness and attention to detail. Although what struck me the most was her compassion for all beings and her deep sense of understanding of life's interconnectivity.
Her love of the earth is palpable. Kathy please accept this plaque as a symbol of Ojai's gratitude to you for your service to our town and planet.
Thank you. A little tongue-tied. I was going to write something, and I started doing that. And I go, no, I'm just going to do something off the cuff. First of all, I wanted to say thank you City of Ojai as a resident of the county. I'm one of those oddball people that does not live in the city. Thank you for the privilege of getting to serve in the city. And um... I always say to people yes, I live right outside the city limits but I'm in this city all the time. My kids went to the park and we paid extra to go to the rec center You know we shop here we do everything here, you know. Yes I'm over the board but it's my city too and I'm grateful for the opportunity, but just a couple kind of funny things and you were talking about the time commitment.
When I first got on the commission it was in 2010 it might have been like my Second or third meeting, our planning director and I've told a couple of you this before but the planning director said well due to the economic downturn we The city's not hiring any consultants. So the Planning Commission has been assigned To do two ordinances one of them was complete streets that was a state mandate And then there was one other one I think it was the lighting dark sky lighting and then the other one was the model water efficient landscape ordinance So I kind of lit up with complete streets. I'm always into transportation, but that was kind of taken. I became the alternate and then they all looked at me and they go Oh, you're the landscape person You're the chair and I kind of went gulping inside and went oh my god What have I gotten into because I was a little leery from the start And to talk to the plan before I even agreed to be a planning commission how much time?
You know, it's committed. And then of course I just went over the top and put lots and lots of time in mostly because I loved what I was doing and I was passionate about it. What an opportunity to work with council members, a lot of different ones over 12 years, different staff over 12 years and the community to engage with the community and have them be part of the process or to be sitting at the dais and having them come up and speak And taking that all in. So I actually learned a lot and as much time as it took, and sometimes it was a little trying, I'm grateful. It's been a couple weeks since I've been on Planning Commission, and I've had several people come up to me and say, oh how much did you get paid? And I go, oh no, I volunteer. They go, you volunteered for 12 years?
And I shared this story. But I guess the bottom line is, you know, I'm not preaching to the choir when I look forward but when I'm looking back or if anyone's listening on the TV or video, I would just encourage anyone to do what you can for your community and it doesn't mean you have to be a planning commissioner or do something at the city but with the schools, with help of Ojai, I think being a volunteer and contributing to the community makes our community what it is.
So thank you.
Yeah, Mary can we bring Kathy up here so we can all get a picture over? Right up here. Here, Susie. There you go. This is what we used to do. What did we use to do? I have no idea. Hold on there watch out Bill. Did he get us?
I wanted to thank my daughter who's sitting back here, who came tonight. Because my family a lot of times on a Wednesday night I had to say oh, I can't come to a family birthday dinner or something because I have to be at planning commission or I have a lot of homework to do. So anyway, thank you Heather for putting up with your mom.
Mayor, we'd all like to say something.
We want to say something, Kathy. Come back! You're not
going to get
away that easy. You're not getting away that easy. So I just want to say how much I love and appreciate you, Kathy. I've listened to you through many many meetings and as you know we're in sync on many things and i'm so glad you're not going to disappear that you're working with the Ojai Valley Green Coalition, and we're going to continue to work with you on many green projects. Thank you for
everything, Kathy. Happy to participate. Yeah.
OK. I just... You've left... You're gonna continue to add to your legacy of service, I know that. But just all the things that you are responsible or not completely responsible for but integrally part of Responsible for, I think everything. There's so many things in our documents that you were integrally part of that are very constructive and important part that is part of your legacy from tree committee to the all transportation thing to the planning grant to the addition to the general plan on the multimodal and the bicycle master plan. All those updates and all those hours Spending time and the way you just approached everything with that balance and integrity.
We're all just very grateful for your service. Thank you.
Cathy thank you and 12 years of service is no joke, you're gonna make it on the big board back here at some point right city manager 10 years to get on the big board so there's that. Thank you and it's been a pleasure working with you I really appreciate what you brought, you know, it's, I say this all the time and And it extends to our commissions and throughout the community in a lot of different ways. But the secret to keeping Ojai what it is, is that the fourth leg of the chair that holds it up is volunteerism, really great non-profits, community groups. We're going to be discussing how to support some of those later on tonight but where the rubber meets the road for some of that are commissioners who really put in a lot of time. And people don't always know that the Planning Commission meets twice a month.
It is an extensive and difficult responsibility that I'm always impressed at how strong you were, and how our other commissioners are. So thank you for your service, and the state of the city in all of the things that are good over the last decade and moving forward are all thanks to the hard work that you put in. So thank you again.
So Kathy, they saved the best for last. First of all you know we go back 20 plus 28 almost 29 years so I've been able to work with Kathy professionally as well as well professionally here too I guess that you could call that but For those of you who don't know Kathy, she has this facade of this quiet and gentle and deep person. And she is. And she conducts herself the same way privately. We've been on many bids together and it's just extraordinary watching her work and watching her listen and watching her take notes Just watching her and I've learned so much from
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you, from contractor to contractor. From the city perspective, Kathy's always been someone that I've been able to talk with and even disagree with. And we've always been able to have a civil discussion where we couldn't agree 100% on something. We could always find that middle ground that allowed both of us to move forward. So I just want to say thank you for that. Thank you for your service and thank you for being a friend.
Thank you, and I have one little share Randy. And I know what you're probably talking about is what we disagree on. It was something that I had a lot of passion for but I want to say that I am grateful to you as a city council member and as a friend because it's something we really didn't agree on but we both said at the end of our discussion it's not going to get in the way of us being friends And working together in this capacity. And I think that's something that should be kind of emoted or shared with the community because I know a lot of times there is stripe over certain topics and if we can kind of find common ground, and a lot of the common ground is that we love our community.
So anyway thank you. Okay
thanks again
Kathy.
Any Commission reports this evening tonight James We will move on to public communication and just a reminder These are items not on the agenda. And because they're not in the agenda, we cannot discuss them when you make a comment We're not ignoring you We appreciate your viewpoint and participation and we can agendize for the future Normally public comment is three minutes. And tonight we'll be using a chime, sorry right Gail? A chime as a gentle reminder when your time is up. Please respect each other's time and stop talking when the chime rings.
There's no giving away time to another speaker. We're doing our best to run an efficient and productive meeting. Thank you for your cooperation. So tonight, let's begin with Anson Williams and then we have Jane Weirich and then Skippy.
Hey everybody! Good to see you. I've never seen you in a coat...with a coat on in person. No, I do what is it? I clean up well? You do look very well. I could cast you. Listen my name is Anson Williams and I'm running for mayor I know you're thinking why? Well, it's one word and that's community. And I'd like you to listen to what members of our community who urged me to run had to say and just hear some of their comments.
I'm tired of constant conflict because of ineffective leadership. And, I've met Mayor Sticks and she's really nice but she creates problems instead of solving them. El Robar was just one of them. And this, the mayor hardly came through with any of her campaign promises. And that's on the record. But here is what I believe. We need leadership that inspires a collaborative team.
Our community first, that understands the best of what we have and enhances it instead of wallowing in what we don't. We need to sustain, sustain and thrive. Sustain and thrive. I'm not a fan of growing tourism or constructing one more hotel, not at all. I am a fan of finding creative ways, creative ways that millions of dollars to our community without having to rely on hammering in one more nail unless it addresses our own great need for affordable housing of course.
Nothing changes in Ojai, nothing changes Nothing, except for more opportunities for our residents. Our residents will have much more details as this campaign progresses. Together we can make this happen together. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Anson. Next we have Jane Wyrick then Skippy and then Wendy Larner. I
don't know if I'm in the wrong place or not. I want to speak about the budget. Should I wait? Yeah. Wait?
Okay, next we have Skippy and then Wendy Larner and then Jill Dolan.
Good evening, my name is Skippy. We need a place to play pickleball in the evenings since it's gotten so hot during the day I'm not able to play as long as I would like to each day if we had courts with lights we could play in the evenings when it's cooler and more people could play that have to work and that would be able to make everybody play a little bit more pickleball thank you
Thank you. Next, we have Wendy Larner and then Jill Dolan and then Tim Kraut.
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Good evening. Thank you for this opportunity to speak. We've experienced and are experiencing many unintended consequences from bureaucratic policies, regulations and restrictions as well as from statutory law resolutions and ordinance at every level of government. What are some of these unintended consequences? Well, there were closed businesses and lost wages. There's medical discrimination, housing shortages, misschooling, water shortages, poor forest management. I could go on and on. High utility costs, gas prices.
You get the idea. Not all rule by elected authorities and the web of administration that they create is necessarily good. But often we have no choice but to live with it. However, and peacefully I might add, however there are restraints in some cases there is some overreach from which we are protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is said all politics is local if not with few exceptions it should be thereby the citizens have a better chance to hold tight to our jurisdictions of freedom retained by us in the founding documents, particularly the 9th and 10th Amendments which as stated in the Declaration of Independence are rights from God not government. We have founders who were wise enough to make that distinction This is all to say I am hereby proposing you form a city standing committee to advise in and protect the God-given rights of Ojai residents and citizens.
Thank you.
Thank you, Wendy. Next we have Jill Dolan then Tim Kraut then Leslie Rule
Hello, I'm Jill Dolan and I'm back because we've opened another great show at the Ojai Arts Center Theater. And I know you're all going to want to come and see the music man! And it was great to hear people talk about residents of our community and volunteering because this is what we've got at the arts center. I mean we've got a cast of almost 30 people From age 7 to 85, going to Topatopa School in Nordoff and graduating from there. It is a community place for everybody. It's a great show. It is a great show for this summer and the 4th of July and we're gonna be in the parade. Anyway I want to make sure that you all have your little cards. May I hand them to you or shall I just hand them here? Oh you can't say anything.
Okay, so and to all of you who are here. Please come and see the show and think of us when you want to volunteer because we are people in your community We're performing. We're volunteering those long hard hours And I'd stay longer, but I'm going to audition for the next show so gotta go kids gotta go Thank you so much Thank
You Jill Next we have Tim Kraut then Leslie rule and then Brenda kraut
Good evening Madam Mayor, Council and staff. Our pickleball community is not a group of contentious people. We are a large group of law-abiding community members that pay taxes and vote. There's a small minority of people that are complaining about our large group of community members using a public space. Please advise this minority that these public parks were donated to the city for the use of by the whole community, not just a certain segment of the community.
Recently our Pickleball Group was allowed to install a fence along one side of the City Hall pickleball courts. The cost of this installation was borne totally by our group, no cost to the city. This fence was needed for safety reasons to prevent players from injury during play. The city's approval for this fence installation took two years even though it was a safety issue we are thankful for approval was finally received In closing, we are all neighbors in this valley. Can't we coexist?
Our pickleball group is not an exclusive club. We are an inclusive club. Anybody can come and join the fun. It's a come-as-you-are activity. You don't have to wear a certain brand of shoes or clothes or have a signature paddle or have two years of lessons. So as we move forward, I hope that we the pickleball community in Ojai will not be stigmatized by this small minority opposing us.
Thank you Tim. Next we have Leslie Rule and then Brenda Kraut.
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Hi thank you for the opportunity to speak. I might run for City Council! Kidding. So I am here really to talk about, I sent I think each of you an email asking if it was on the table to put pickleball courts at Soule Park and if that is the case, I wanted to make a case that the pickleball community both current and future finds that An unwise kind of choice, and the reason being we have in our backyard courts that are available right now. That are those at Lower Libbey Park. And as people have spoken, the two most important things right now to pickleball, well three actually, we need more courts.
That's the first. So we need to figure out where those new courts can be. We also, as was spoken, we need lights. It is just too hot to play in the afternoon. These courts close at 630. There are many, many, many players who, as was also mentioned, who worked a normal nine-to-five job who just will not have the opportunity to play if it's winter. It gets dark early and if it's summer, it just is way too hot.
So we need lights. That's really important. Soule Park has no lights, it really has no court. We could talk about that as well and the other thing is accessibility. We talked about biking in Ojai you put pickleball courts out at Soule Park and all of the people and there's a lot of people who bike here are not going to bike to Soule Park they're not going to go down Ojai Ave and 150 to Soule Park. It just it's it's not safe So what would that mean? Even if they were going to go there, even if there were lights it means they would drive. They would drive through the center of Ojai. What is the biggest complaint you hear from people? Too much traffic in the center of Ojai. So it makes absolutely no sense that given Lower Libbey Park has lights, has all of the infrastructure necessary both for the pickleball players current and future And for the City of Ojai not to use that.
Okay, 47 seconds. The other point I wanted to make is... Well, the other point I wanted to make... Oh! Sole-use. Sole-use. Like there are many people tennis players and it is a you know it is It is a tradition well-loved in Ojai for tennis, but those courts can be dual use. Sole use is a concept whose time has come and gone. There's absolutely no reason to build what you already have and could leverage. It just makes no sense. It baffles the imagination. Reasonable people can disagree about things, but it's really hard to figure out why reasonable people would disagree about that.
So I encourage you to read the email. I sent everybody and thank you very much for your time
Thank You Leslie Brenda kraut
My name is Brenda crowd, and I'm part of the pickleball community Currently we have close to 200 pickleball players signed up on our email list The majority of these players are voting citizens in the city of Ojai. So that means these players will be casting votes for or against each of you. These players are in need of more courts and now that we're in the heat of summer, the need for courts with lights to facilitate evening play is very essential.
It is a shame to see eight tennis courts at Libbey Park vacant 60 to 70 percent of the time when the pickleball community is busting at the seams and desperately needs more courts in a venue. with lights to accommodate evening play. The lower courts at Libbey Park could provide both the much needed additional courts and a venue with lights for evening play without the city spending a dime.
Our pickleball group has invested time and money into the City Hall campus courts right here, and we are prepared to do the same at the lower Libby Courts. Please quit delaying actions to address the needs of this growing group of voting citizens. Thank you.
Thank you, Brenda. Any public comments online, Gail?
I can't see the Zoom queue. One moment. James Han, if you could remove the timer so I can see the... there we go. If there's anyone in the Zoom queue who would like to speak during public communications please use the raise hand function now. Thank you.
I know we received a few comments about Pickleball, so I just wanted to note for anybody not familiar or not following that the Recreation Commission has created an ad hoc committee that is reviewing Pickleball at this time. So that is still ongoing and we're expecting some recommendations from them soon.
Great. Thank you James. All right let's move on to the consent calendar. Is there a motion to approve?
So moved.
Second. OK roll call please Gail.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 moved. Second. OK roll call
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Can I ask something now that we have a full council present aren't there a lot of things we can do Okay let's move on to discussion item number two, ratify commission appointments.
James,
thank you man that we have a very very brief staff report. This is now our second or third time through this so I think we're probably getting used to it but with our move recently to have the city council make kind of a rotating appointment where each council member makes an appointment to each commission We had agreed as commissioners were appointed that we'd ask each to come in and introduce themselves essentially. So tonight, we have four appointments. We have Commissioner McHatton from the Historic Preservation Commission, Commissioner Prebor from the Historic Preservation Commission, Commissioner Taylor from the Parks and Rec Commission, and Commissioner Walker from the Parks and Rec Commission.
appointed by Council Member Francina and Council Member Wyrick. And each of those commissioners were already serving and have now been reappointed, but we did ask to continue that we asked them to come give an introduction so I will leave all the commissioners are here and so with that I'll turn it over to you to call on the commissioners.
Okay, great. Any questions from Council? No. We'll move on to public comments. We have one public comment here. Aren't
they going to speak? Yes,
after Brian Akins. We'll have Brian Akins and then the four commissioners will speak.
I apologize for being late, but it was a good thing. I just want to say that I'm happy and I thank you for reappointing Commissioner McCatton and Commissioner Pribor. And I'll let you get to them. Thank you all very much.
Thank you, Brian. Okay, shall we start with Commissioner McCatton?
She's in the Zoom queue and I'm going to bring her in.
There she is.
Commissioner McCattin, if you can unmute yourself? There you go. She can go ahead and speak now.
Hello. Everybody can hear me?
Yes.
I'm Gina McCattin, and I've been on the HPC since 2018. And I have enjoyed every minute of it. I've lived in Ojai since we bought our home in downtown 19 years ago. And I am fully aware of the importance that tourists have on our community and on our livelihood. But I will always feel that Ojai is for its residents. Over the last two years while preparing for my HPC presentation for the local downtown historic district, I found decades of photos depicting families and couples and children and artists and business people just like all of us all coming together in the city center just as Edward Libby and other visionaries imagined it 100 years ago. Because Ojai is a town of locals, generations of locals. And I've never seen such a town pride or spirit of community like I have And I chose to raise my family here in this community.
It's where we eat and shop and socialize, and it was the best decision that we ever made, and I feel so lucky to be a part of this commission to work to preserve this beautiful and incredible place that we all get to share. But this commission, it's not about any one of us. It's about all of us, all that came before and all that will come. And it is my job to learn everything I can about Ojai's history as well as local state and federal preservation laws.
My degree is in journalism and my background is in publishing but it was when I met local historian Craig Walker when I moved here That I honed in on my passion for preservation. I spent my adult life learning and traveling, and finding historic places all around the world but it wasn't until I served on the board and worked with Craig at Valley Charter School that I would find myself cornering him whenever I could Trying to learn as much as I could from him, he became my mentor. I started reading everything I could on preservation, as well as attending a full year of HPC meetings before becoming a commissioner.
I really have to thank him for his endless knowledge and inspiration. But still the more I learned, the more I knew there was to learn. The pandemic and shutdown of so many in-person learning opportunities ended up being an incredible experience for me. The top state and federal organizations as well as the best preservation university programs even vibrant commissions Jumped online to provide rich educational opportunities and I have been there for everyone that I could find. Some have been free, some for a small cost but every single experience was worth it and it was always something that I learned that I could bring back and apply my new knowledge to my work on the commission and I don't plan on stopping to look for learning opportunities anytime soon.
I take my position on this commission very seriously to be considered tonight for another four-year term. Thank you.
Thank you, Gina. Next we have Jenny Pribor.
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And I think she's signed in as Zoom user so I'm going to try this.
Okay. That was so good. Gina that was so good! Thank you.
I'll remove Gina once I pull up the next person. Okay, is this Commissioner Pribor? I'm showing Zoom user you should be able to speak. Is that Commissioner Pribor?
Can you guys hear me?
Yes, we
can.
Can you see me? You look like a photographic negative but we can see you and we can hear you. I can't really see you. You can go ahead. Hello!
Can you hear us? We see and hear you.
Okay. Can you hear us Commissioner Pribor? Should we come back to her?
Jenny, can you hear us? No okay all right um shall we move on to Susie Taylor and then we'll come back to you Jenny ideally if we can. Are you unmuted? She she's unmuted yeah okay
but she seems to have a problem hearing us.
Okay uh Susie Taylor
is Commissioner Taylor here in the audience? Hello
can you guys hear me Can you guys hear me? We can hear you, but we- Hello. I can see and hear you. You can see me, but can they see me?
Yes, can you hear it? Jenny do you hear me now?
It's too bright right? Should I just wait? Yeah.
Okay good.
There it goes,
okay
Fun with zoom. Okay Susie Taylor next
Susie Taylor is She doesn't seem to be here yet Nelson Walker Oh
Good evening, everyone. It's just been an honor being here and being on the board. So I actually moved to Ojai April 11, 2021 with my beautiful family all the way from sunny New Jersey. So I left the 14 inches of snow and traded it in for a beautiful sunshine 75 every day avocados lemons and all those great things Ohio has So I actually got started because my daughter, she joins us. She's part of gymnastics at Sarasota Park and I wanted to be more involved in the community. My son he goes to a place to grow. He's three years old and we frequent the park, Sarasota Libbey Park just always in the community so I just wanted to be more active and find out more information about What's going on in my community? Also being on the board, I do love how vibrant and energetic the community is.
Very voiceful about different changes and things they want. I come from a community where that wasn't the case so it was just great even you know you have the tennis and pickleball community coming together and I play pickleball for the first time ever and it is amazing. I've always played tennis so I love both sports. So yeah, it's just been great welcoming community and I love being on the board. Louise has done a really great job helping me communicate and meet other people during our open house which was a great turnout. I met some more families and things like that so I just want to thank you all for allowing me to be part of the Parks and Recs Commission and have a wonderful night!
Thank you, Nelson. And thanks to all the commissioners for all your hard work and service and showing up meeting after meeting after meeting.
I have one comment for Nelson. His children are my grandchildren's age, and that's how I met him. It's just incredible watching six-year-olds and three-year-olds running around our facilities Thank you, thank you for coming here and thank you for being a part of our community.
Any other comments from Council? Bill?
Well, I just can't help but be struck by the fact that I'm so grateful for everyone that's volunteering to serve again. Because we've served a pretty full plate on both these commissions between the issues with Park and Recreation and the Historic Commission. The way both commissions have embraced these challenges I'll just go ahead and say it really fulfilling the tradition by our mentor sitting over there, our 12 year planning commissioner. And you see that spirit continuing in all four of these appointments and what these commissions have done. And I just really appreciate it very much. To echo what Councilperson Blatch said, it is integral to how we govern this community, integral.
Absolutely, so thank you.
Okay well do we have a motion? Motion
to approve. I'm ready to approve but is Jenny still waiting or are we done? I believe
the city manager just went to check on that and if it's there's no need to hear from her if it's The check is the check, then you can approve the appointment without her being present as desired.
Okay so we have a motion to approve? And so we don't need a roll call correct Gail?
Let's move on to number three, the public hearing. Fiscal year 22-23 is the
budget adoption.
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Thank you Mayor. I'm pulling up a presentation, it's about 12 slides we'll try to keep it brief. Zoom will cooperate let's see Okay, so this is actually I believe the sixth budget workshop this year and so we're going to try to keep it very brief because we've gotten into this in depth over the last three months. One of our lengthier budget processes where we started with a Budget Committee meeting several months back, and we've come back and looked at the general fund, the CIP, Measure C, and all of the different aspects. And now we are bringing back the final budget document with the changes that were identified by the City Council as part of those workshops.
And so I'm going to keep this one fairly high level and because for that reason, at the high level. The big picture for us this year is that we're expecting revenues to increase to more normal levels after several years of reductions due to the impacts of the pandemic. As we'll get to in a couple minutes, the budget this year is proposed to be balanced at $13.4 million, which is an increase over the last couple years where because of the pandemic it was closer to 10 or 11 million dollars and so this is more in line with what we would have expected had it not been for the pandemic. We're finally returning to that normal level. As we do that, we had reduced expenses over the last couple of years because of the impacts of the pandemic. So as we start to get more of that funding, more of the revenues coming in, we've identified four main priorities that we tried to address throughout the budget this year which is deferred maintenance and repairs including our streets as one of the largest projects This year, restoring our service levels.
Continuing the priority projects which we'll talk a little bit more about later such as our parks improvements several of which had been delayed or put on hold and the climate mitigation related projects that are funded by measure by portions of Measure C. And then lastly, building the emergency reserves back to a back to the level that they were and hopefully exceeding the level that they were as we work towards meeting our 50% emergency reserve goal.
And so, again at a high level I think the our position at this point is we're in a strong position coming out of the pandemic. But we're immediately trying to address those items that had been put off. We're trying to budget conservatively and we're trying to prioritize because you never know what the next economic downturn or potential disaster could be You know, waiting in the future. We've had a few in the last couple of years and so that's kind of the high level budget presentation or budget explanation for I'm going to go over very briefly the budget assumptions for budget assumptions.
The general assumptions we made when we put together the budget, we assume that our revenue would continue to recover from the pandemic and that there'd be no new business closures. We assumed that one of the hot topics lately has been the reopening of the Oaks Hotel, which is now known as the Roblar Hotel. Our budget does not assume that reopening is going to occur in the next 12 months, which I think has been confirmed now by the owners of that property who have said they're about 18 months out.
And so this, our budget assumes the same hotels that we currently have. The budget assumes the same cannabis vendors that we currently have without any major changes yet assumed into the budget related to cannabis. We also included based on council feedback some funding to start doing some managing programming potentially at Sewell Park. That's a discussion we're having with the county that will have to come back to the council but we included some funding for that should that occur.
And then the budget also reinstates a transfer to the capital improvement projects from the hotel tax. The city had a 20% transfer policy, we've reinstated that at a 10% level this year trying to start working towards catching up on the deferred maintenance. And so we've gone through this a couple of times, so I won't go through it in depth. But as a reminder, this chart shows our revenues over the last several years.
I think our general summary of it is that most people probably expect hotel tax was what was impacted the most during COVID and it's also what's coming back the strongest after COVID. Property tax, sales tax and cannabis tax are all relatively flat and have been relatively flat. And so the hotel tax seems to be the biggest area where we have swings and that has been strong in recent months and has continued even throughout this budget process to exceed what we had expected.
That's the big picture revenue-wise regarding expenditures in our general fund budget. Our staffing and our police services make up a big chunk of our budget, but the other priority projects that help to make up the difference of the budget is as I mentioned almost half million dollar transfer that we proactively transfer hotel tax funding to the CIP to help pay for street paving and other projects So that's a big chunk of that general fund budget.
We also increased our maintenance categories across all levels up to $405,000 this year. We also immediately in the budget for the first time show all the cannabis revenue transferring to the reserve so that's $320,000 of the budget. We have $250,000 related to water-related issues and as part of our work on the water issues. We have $250,000 for the general plan update at $250 in a contingency fund for unplanned projects which we did utilize last year for projects that came up during the year We have $200,000 prepaying retiree and pension liability. That's an increase of $100,000 from prior years as we work to try to prepay that $10 million liability.
And then we also have a hundred thousand dollars in the budget to add the broadband conduit as part of the Casitas Ojai Avenue project. And then lastly, and I'm sure we'll talk about this a little later but we have $151,000 in the general fund budget towards community service funding at this time as well. So those are the expenditures for kind of the big ticket expenditures that we anticipate in this year's budget.
So those revenues and those expenditures leave us essentially balanced $13.4 million. This chart shows what our budget prior to COVID looked like, which is that far right column. It shows that the expenditures have dropped over the last couple years and still had not returned to that pre-COVID level, but this year they're expected to really exceed that level.
And this chart also shows that while we did have to reduce substantially particularly in 19-20 was the revenues to start offsetting I'm sorry, we reduced the expenditures to offset the impact of the reduction in revenues. So this chart shows our general fund reserve. We've talked a lot about how our policy is to have 50% or six months emergency funding. We've never met that policy, that policy has been in place for about two decades at this time.
During the pandemic we did have to utilize emergency reserves so this chart shows kind of either we were at about 20-30% over the last six or seven years and then during the pandemic we had to utilize and dropped to 7%. Which was our low point. We've worked very hard and managed expenses very closely to try to rebuild it, and we've actually increased to 36%, which as far as we could find appears to be the highest that we've had in reserves but we're still not at that 50% reserve goal.
And again, the idea of the 50% reserve goal is that it's six months funding if there was a worst case scenario So that's still a good goal to work towards because as we saw recently, that's not impossible to have a disaster that would impact us for six months or longer. And so this budget includes funding Going straight to the reserve to keep building that up, which is something that we hadn't really done in the past. So just again, the focus kept trying to be rebuild reserves, pay off deferred items and set ourselves up better in the future.
The last topic I'll talk about very briefly, so all that was general fund budget. We also have our capital improvement project budget which is a separate fund. The funding for those projects is a record high mostly because of Measure C, the hotel tax increase. In the past our CIP would be a couple million dollars maybe two million dollars, two to three million dollars if we had a good year This year we are proposing, or we're planning for about $10 million in projects which is very aggressive.
But it's because of all the projects that had been postponed in the past. Because we received about 3.4 million dollars in that extra hotel tax, we're going to be able to put that into these projects and pick up right where we left off and try to catch up on those projects. This year includes a lot of those projects and we wanted to just point out a couple of key areas. As I mentioned, $1.8 million of those funds are going to go towards deferred maintenance items like paving streets or actually 1.8 million will be for paving streets. There's additional deferred maintenance but $1,800,000 for streets.
$1.3 million is allocated to climate mitigation projects such as the ongoing Stewart Canyon restoration project, our microgrid solar panel installation at our city facilities and then electric vehicle chargers, electric bicycle chargers and electric vehicles as well. And then the other big category is $1.23 million allocated towards improvement for our parks, and that includes improvements at Libbey Park Boyd Center and Sarasota Park. That one to me is the one that I think we can say pretty honestly if it wasn't for measure see those.
would be put on hold, and I think in the past those had always been the ones put on hold. But now we're able to use that funding to make sure we're able to get those projects done at our parks. I have a
quick question. I don't want to go too far. Sure. A couple slides back there was an asterisk. I want to make sure... Was that just because that was still an estimated amount?
Yes, because so for 21 22 we're trying to project what we're going to end the year at on June 30th but we're not there yet. So that's why I thought I just want to make sure so we won't have a finalized for about about a month after we close all and then on the
last slide on the park portion does that include And I because this is kind of broken down a little differently than I've been staring at all these Yeah, I tried to summarize. Um does that include money for the City Hall campus? Is that under Libbey Park or is that different or is there money allocated for that?
We have we have it under city facilities. Okay, that's another big chunk. I don't show on here That's about Well, there's part of it shown here But we talked about some some of the improvements on city facilities but overall we're including two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars each year for the next three years And that's all just catching up on all the deferred maintenance of all our buildings.
And some of
that is for the non-building part?
Yes, and for the campus improvements as well.
I have a question. Sure. Why is it that, I know you've assured me many times that there's going to be a new trolley cover over by the bank and benches and more bike racks but why is that never spelled out there?
Because these are the high dollar projects. The high dollar projects. So there's a ton of other stuff we're doing because we mentioned $10 million in projects, right? So these are four and a half million dollars of those projects. The rest are a lot of smaller projects like $60,000 to fix drains at the park. Money for bike, you know, $10,000 for bike racks was what we had talked about before The trolley stop. So this list is intended to be a summary, you know kind of at the end of our six weeks of review so this does not list everything
Okay It's all record
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It's in the budget it's in the document that you have We have, as mentioned in the report, $151,000 dedicated to community funding in the budget. And so we did receive a record high number of requests for community funding this year 13 or 14 depending on how you count it, but over $340,000. Obviously these are all great groups and we appreciate everything they do but we aren't able to fund every request without reducing other projects and taking things out of the budget so right now the budget has $151,000 included This just reiterates but So one of the questions I think the recommendation tonight there's essentially two one is to adopt the budget with all the information we just provided and But second would be to make a determination on The process or funding of the community organization fund funding requests.
I think One thing that we've noticed as we reviewed is there's a lot of information for those requests. We've received the 13 applications, we've received follow-up documentation on some of those applications and so it would be up to council but because we received so many it may be worthwhile to identify a process to review those applications more fully At either a future council or committee meeting, but ultimately that will be up to the City Council So we're recommending adopting the budget as proposed
Thank You James any questions
Two thoughts one question is this is the highest our reserves have ever been And yes and we replenished them in record time I Any other questions from Council? Nope.
Not for now, but I also will have an amendment suggested. But that'll be in due
time. Was there... Is this a time to ask if there was a report on that additional $50,000 request for the recreation school high school internship program? Was there a report and I missed it?
No, there's not. And that's part of why we were saying it's a challenge to review all of these At the last Parks and Recreation Commission, the commission had talked about starting an internship program and had asked if there was funding included in the budget. But it hasn't been fully investigated yet or developed yet so we identified it as something that we thought the council would want to know about but it hasn't been formed, it hasnít been vetted And so we could either You know identify whether it's something we want to fund or ask the Parks and Rec Commission to provide more detail on what they want To do they meet once a month. So that would push this back to July
essentially I mean, I feel like people have been waiting to find out if they've been funded or not. So Is there is it an option? Do we have to like? Agree on everything or can't can we put this It's a little bit awkward because we have, it says 50,000. So my question is if we delay how long would that delay be so that people would know whether they can count on the funding or not?
How long would it delay be a
couple of months?
Yeah, yeah. So I think I think it would probably delay towards probably Yeah, probably the because remember we have a summer recess so that would probably be the second meeting in August would probably be when that is We don't have to wait for everything else We don't like just so Council understands all their options is there's no deadline There's no requirement that it be allocated at a certain point, but there's also The council can identify some now and decide on others later We
will go ahead and open the public hearing we have two public comments Jane Wyrick and Brian
Akins
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Good evening. I used to be known in the Valley as Jane Wyrick, now I'm known as Bill Wyrick's mother. So that's good or bad? I don't know, I don' think so. On behalf of the Ojai Valley Museum, I have been active in the museum since you all bought it and it is a gem for this valley. We have a very minimal staff And we do what all nonprofits in Ojai do, we work on volunteer help.
I want to commend you for your past help in us operating. All your funds go for operating, they do not go for the pay for our staff and they do not go for such things as our displays. And Brian prepares a marvelous outlook for you on what we do with our money. We are extremely transparent and We actually could not operate if you don't help us because it is very difficult to raise money these days for nonprofits.
And we are trying to do the best we can. I want you to know that many other nonprofits have found us and in the last few weeks, the festival had many activities there. The Ohio Educational Foundation has used our patio. The Living Treasures have met there and several other places are discovering that we have a real asset in the back patio as well as on our displays. I just cannot thank you enough.
Support us the best you can because we need your help. Thank you.
Thank you, Jane. Next we have Brian Akins and then Summer McComas.
Hello, I'm Brian Aikens. I'm here as president of the Ojai Valley Museum. This is a financial binder that I bring every year. It does have the information that I gave you at the last meeting. That was through the month of May. It's still June so we haven't closed out the month yet. As Jane said, we appreciate very much the support that you have given us. Back when this started, we detailed all of the information and we put that money when we receive it into an account. We don't put that into the general account to say hey time for a party let's we've got this money and we allocate that money each month into our books so we are very careful on that. We will always remain careful You have the detailed financial information projection for the end of the year and we do appreciate all that you support us with very much.
We did over the last couple years go for every grant that we could PPP were out in front of that. We also have a year-end appeal. We ended up doing a late summer appeal, also. We like many of the other nonprofits found that people were very generous and very supportive and so that was very helpful in helping us to keep our heads above water. I hope you enjoy the town. We just had a fabulous town talk here Probably could have a part two on that it was so very interesting Leave enough time for questions will work on that so again, thank you all and thank you to those that were there
Thank You Brian next we have summer McComas
Hello, Summer McComas. I am the president of the Chamber of Commerce. I would definitely like to thank the City Council for its continued support of the chamber and the local business and commerce of the Ojai Valley. So I wanted just to give a few words about what the chamber does just to remind everyone The chamber acts as a valuable liaison between the city departments and businesses regarding permits, coordinating the winter wonderland lights downtown during the holidays.
Promoting and supporting the pixie month with pennants in the arcade arches. Promoting downtown commerce along with the list of services that the chamber provides to the city for our fundings that we receive. The chamber will continue to mediate the discussions of how to address formula stores at Ojai, along with various future forums and discussions designed to continue encourage the exchange of dialogue amongst the community businesses and local residents.
And we look forward to continuing this relationship Unfortunately, our CEO Jamie Fleming is still undergoing treatment for a serious health condition and our treasurer Andy Gilman which would love to be here is unable to attend because he has just a minor illness so he's at home right now. But if you have any questions for the chamber this evening I can try to answer or have the answers to you within 24 hours thank you.
Thank You Summer next we have Kathy Nolan
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I'm here representing the Ohio Valley Green Coalition. I'm just going to make it quick, I know I've showed up at quite a few of the budget meetings but I just wanted to put a plug for the Ojai Valley Green Coalition and our submittal for phase one of creating a sustainability hub here for the city of Ohio. Year one would include predominantly data collecting community engagement Which would include the public, non-profits, businesses and of course city staff and commissions etc.
If you have any questions I'm here to answer them, but once again please consider us. What do you mean by data collection? Well community engagement would be going out to the community and gathering information so that's what the data would be. So in other words finding out what the community wants, what the city wants Putting it all together and compiling it, also creating a database for establishing partners. What all the non-profits are doing in the city of Ojai? What projects are active? Just contact information so kind of a hub database. Also creating either a page or link for the city which would be a sustainability page. So we'd have all that information in addition to What's happening locally and regionally so people could use that for education purposes.
What else am I missing? Anyway, it's a starting stage of gathering the information to put together ultimately a master plan with a sustainability regenerative overlay so to
speak. So the purpose is to see how we are doing as a community to model sustainable living The kind of lifestyle that is sustainable into the future, that has the least impact and lowest footprint on the earth. Is that the line of thinking?
Does it include the schools? Well, the schools could definitely partake in the workshops that we would be putting on to gather information but basically if you're going to do any project The first thing ideally would be to go out and find out not only what the city wants but what the citizens, the businesses, the non-profits want or and or what they are doing. And so rather than working in silos kind of bringing it all together somewhere work more collaboratively and as a partnership.
It would also include kind of pre vetting for grant funding for any projects that may happen in the city as well
So it could include the basics like reducing plastic? Sure. Is that all part of that and what's, I mean to really note the
facts of what's happening in the community? Right so it's getting that information the first year and then after that a lot of that could be applied to either future ordinances, guidelines or incentives that the city might want to do or programs that people can get involved with When you think of community engagement and outreach, you're also talking about what the community would like to see on this facility. Am I correct?
Right. So it's kind of in general, kind of big local bigger picture and then also the campus. So when we say sustainability hub, it's a hub of data and information that people can access income for education for learning and then like I said potentially for use within the city to develop programs ordinances etc etc. And then it's also the place to go to find out how can people get involved? Can I go get Thank you very much.
Thank you. We have one person in the Zoom queue who would like to speak, Julie. If there's anyone else in the Zoom queue who would like to speak on this item if you'd please use a raise hand function now. And Julie, you should be able to speak if you are muted. There you go. Please go ahead.
Yes. Hi. Good evening. This is Julie Gerard from the Ojai Community Farmers Market And I just wanted to thank everybody for supporting us for Earth Day this year. We've put in a proposal for next year, and I just think that Earth Day is an important thing to celebrate, and the community really loved it. And if you would consider us again this year we would be very grateful.
If there's any questions, I'm happy to answer them. Thank you Julie.
All right,
thank
you. Thank you we'll move on to discussion.
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I think we can expedite this a little bit. Maybe we break the discussion out into budget and then we break it out into community organizations, and if you would allow that, I would make a motion to approve the budget as is, and then any amendments that we need to make for community organizations do that separately. Does that make sense to anyone?
Before we move forward with a vote, maybe some motions on possible amendments to that? That's fine. Okay.
Well, one option I would like to put out there is definitely approve the budget tonight and let the Budget Department move on. And congratulations to Pam and James for this beautiful work. Yeah. Much appreciated. And then at our next meeting there will be a staff report with – and James you've already provided us with some suggestions in terms of narrowing the parameters in the future?
Yeah, and I can speak to that just very quickly. The only reason I did it was because I didn't know if we'd get into it tonight but we had a couple staff people review and the decision of who to fund is always going to come to council but we reviewed and we looked at some basic principles that we had suggested and we can include these in a follow-up report and kind of dig deeper into them A couple of the things that we identified was some of the grants had asked for funding to then give the funding to another group. That's something that if the city is going to give funding to a group, it should be the decider of who that funding ultimately goes to.
There's a couple groups that had requested funding but never attended or presented any information. We wouldn't recommend funding a project that we have not received any additional information or presentations on. There were some grants that had applied to buy something, which is not something that we've done in the past. We've always funded community service is what we had called it and so based on past practice, we wouldn't recommend just simply buying something.
Through this funding, there was some groups that had applied for grants that would be for arts or culture type events and not meaning the museum because this doesn't apply to them. But for arts events we also have another grant process through our Arts Commission specifically for arts events So the staff suggestion would be identifying or telling those arts events folks to apply for the Arts Commission grants, which are more aimed for those projects.
And then we did note that a couple of the groups that the city's provided other forms of support such as facilities to the groups We donated labor and the site to another one of the groups. And we had noted that there should be some consideration of that for if we're giving, let's say we've given one group buildings for several years, Pointed out somewhere in the application where then the council as you're making your decision could decide, you know If we funded this group for 10 years Do we continue to fund it? You know and so just it's just something that should be clarified. That wasn't listed in some of the applications And then lastly there was a couple groups that had worked through other agencies in the valley But it didn't appear that those agencies had provided funding.
So I think we had some follow up questions for them of, you know, are you getting a matching grant from the agency that you're working through? So that was why all of these questions led us to kind of the conclusion that we might need more information.
So in order to expedite my suggestions or in order to expedite the process we approve the budget and then Get the staff report and at the next meeting of July 12 We'll have those parameters, and then we can move forward potentially with a different process bill
Yeah I wanted to say, I wanted to speak up right away. I'm for expediting but I do have a budget amendment proposal that is related to all of this and it's really a two-part suggestion I'm going to make and see if we have support for it. One is that I think the appropriate venue to go through all of the considerations that our city manager just went through that you solicited very appropriately and constructively is the Budget and Finance Committee And I think what we ought to be doing tonight is to come up with a total along with the applications and discussion of the criteria, and let the Budget and Finance Committee get into the deeper dive that's not really appropriate in this venue here. And come back to the Council with a recommendation.
I think that would be a good constructive way to approach this. The other thing I want to make a point about it, and this would be a budget amendment that reflects the discussions we've had over a couple years now. And everybody knows that I, obviously, have an interest in the museum. My mother has been involved with it for years and an integral part of it. But regardless of that, so with that full disclosure, I do want to say that the museum is not really in the same category. And we've talked about this for a long time, that it's not in the same category. The museum is the City Museum. It is a city facility, operated more effectively by this arrangement than we could ever do it with our own staff. It's part of defining the identity of the community.
Incredible amounts of effort go into maintaining the archives, the historic archives of our community appropriately and safely. The town talks, Exhibits that are part of developing our consciousness of our past and our present, and where we're going in the future. And you know when I look at page 47 of 182 in the budget, we have separate departments for example Arts Commission Department, Historic Preservation Commission Department, and I really think there ought to be a City Museum Department. What I suggest a budget amendment would be is that the museum be understood as not really the same category of community service, but it be part of a separate department in our general fund and that that money be transferred into the department leaving and then making an adjustment or contingency to leave the $151,000 amount to be considered by the Budget and Finance Committee.
So I'm going to make that suggestion and see if there's any support for it.
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I would like to see those two amendments separate because I don't understand why we would do the first one. Have we ever sent these requests for community funding to the finance committee? That's not my recollection in past years.
No, we haven't and I'm suggesting that we do it because of the increased number of applicants And the amount of, and the issue of all of the issues that was just gone through by the city manager.
I have a point of order here. This is this was voted on and decided at a prior council meeting is my understanding. So I don't understand why we're revisiting it. Is this a motion to reconsider it? Because we discussed this debated it and voted on it the last meeting. I thought it was pretty clear. We said we agree with you. We'll just do it next time. Why reinvent the wheel here? This budget's already been proposed It's the same amount of money. It's not going to change anything about the money they're gonna get or what they can do with it, and in the next cycle we can put it into another section of the budget so it doesn't come up as community funding but I thought we had an agreement on that.
That was my understanding.
If I don't get support, I don' get
support.
Okay, Randy?
So it's always interesting how this, how this works. But first of all I agree 100% with Councilman Wyrick regarding running this through the Budget and Finance Committee just for the reasons there are some questions And a deeper dive that has to be taken just like when we pulled the climate committee's recommendation on reach codes, it needed to be pulled. It needed to be looked at and needed to have more thoroughness in its deliberation and how we arrive at recommendations so. I would agree with that and I would second that motion to Councilman Wyrick's motion. Then the second part regarding the museum, Councilman Wyrick is putting into words better than I ever had and I agree 100 percent with removing the museum from the community funding system in creating its own division or its own department within the city.
I would also take it one step further and as we're thinking of amendments. So what I want to second both of Councilman Wyrick's motions, and then what I would do is maybe like to see if we could adapt or adopt the Recreation High School funding program Along with the museum and allocate that $50,000 into its own department also for future use in the community. There's no, I think I wrote it down here. As we look at all of the CIP investments, if we look at everything that we do in this community.
The most important thing that we can do is invest in our children and invest in the future of our community and those children are. And there are a lot of young men and women or young men and women that are in need. There are a lot of them that are just right on that edge that needs some form of support, some help, some mentoring something. And I think that we would be negligent as a council if we didn't recognize the importance and the value of the youth in our community.
So Bill, if we would amend that, I would go along with creating that other department or if we would like, I'll pull it out and I'll make that a separate motion in itself.
I'm
perfectly comfortable to pull some of these items and decide on funding them. That was what I had in mind when I came to the meeting tonight, and I am well prepared to do that. So I mean, I'm all for expediting as far as having the finance committee handle this. Then it would still come back to us with their recommendations. We would make the final decisions. I just want to be crystal clear on
that. Absolutely.
Okay.
That's my motion.
Yeah, so and as far as I'm all for supporting the youth. But I have no idea what this is about. I don't know if this means that we're going to pay a young person to work in a local store instead of the store paying them? If there's someone from the Park and Rec, I guess they're not here to explain it. But I'm not ready for
any of
this.
I don't think it had been vetted to that level at this point so...
And I have another question. Do you know off the top of your head what is the ARC grant fund? How much it is? About
$37,000. $37 thousand? I think it's $25,000.
Okay yeah i mean so right here and now if we're going to do i mean we have we are an internationally known city for the arts that is such a pittance compared to the fifty thousand for the youth and they give grants to youth So there's a lot in my mind that I would have to reconsider. I would definitely want to increase, if we're having all this money, extra money now possibly, I would want to increase the city art grant especially... There's at least two people who requested funds that we could send To apply for the city art grant. Mm-hmm So that's
yeah, and there's also to do you mentioned youth through the Arts Commission? There's also they also have mentorship a Mentorship program that's funded as well. So there's a few different ways
Take some of that and add it to the Art Grant It's my thinking we can still discuss all this right? We haven't this is the time Okay,
Ryan
All right. I can't stand it when we do this, so I'm going to make this really clear and this is why I hate being here. I'd rather be at home. We voted on $151,000 in the budget. What you're trying to do that I called it last time was secretly trying to add $60,000 back into the community funding budget which is if you take 60,000 out put a different column and leave 151,00 there then you're adding 60, 000 to it we debated this we voted on it we discussed it and we voted that we were putting 151,000 out there that's what's on the slides that's what we've talked about that's what's in our reports or recommendations and everything in between there I don't understand why after doing that we're going to go backwards and you want to do something different.
So my opinion, and what we talked about when we voted on before is exactly the same. I don' t understand why it's appropriate to revisit that. Secondly if I'm not mistaken when this recreation internship program was in there before it was $35,000 at the last meeting.
So we had laid out a couple different scenarios. And one of them was if we funded one way, it would be $35,000. If it was done another way, it would be $50,000 so that's what I'm saying.
But I just want to make sure right? It was 35 before and it was just a line item. It wasn't an explanation or anything but it has changed from 35 in the last report we had to 50 in this one correct?
Well, it was listed as 50. So there was I think one sentence explaining that it could be done for a lesser amount if it was done another way.
All right because I'm pretty sure it's at 35 on the last one but I wanted to know if there was something else there. The other thing is if we're voting on this new idea which I don't have a problem with of sending it to the Finance Committee then why are we debating this? If we're sending it to the Finance Committee. You just literally went from saying you want to send to the finance committee and then talking about as if we don't support the youth in the community We have no idea what this is. We haven't discussed any of this. We agreed last time we would set an overall cap for the total budget for community funding, now you want to remove something from it but not reduce it. Is your motion that if we take the museum out at this point and create this extra work that doesn't really change anything about how they're funded or what they do with the money?
Is that we still have $151,000 left for community yet we're taking 60 out of it and putting into a different column?
Well, I'd just like to say I agree with Ryan. We did vote on this and we agreed. And so we can make changes in the next budget. We need to get this through so that the... Got a
hand up
over there? Yeah. Oh, I'm going to finish talking now. So that Pam and James can keep working, right? And we can always make changes next time. So yeah, it doesn't make sense to me either. Yes, Randy.
So first of all, because I don't want these conversations to be pointed at one another. We're not angry at one another. You say I'm hiding something or I'm playing what's that game where the nut is under the cups and I'm moving them around? This is right here in public. I'm looking that group in the eye and I'm looking you in the eye. The only thing that I'd like to do is pull the museum funding, pull it separate. Now maybe the question should be how would you pay for that Councilman Haney? And I would tell you real simple, I would ask for a one-time draw from the cannabis funding that goes into the reserve replenishment fund and pull that $60,000 out of that. I would do the same thing for the youth So I would be pulling $110,000 out of cannabis one time.
That's where I would take the funding from, and that's a choice that we as a council get to make. We're not married to any agreement that we made two weeks ago. We're here deliberating on what we would like to do tonight. And we're not deliberating on what we're going to do a year from now in that budget. We are deliberating on what we're going to do tonight. So that's how I look at it. There is money available if we choose, as a majority of council, to move money from this to here or from here to here. That's my recommendation tonight. Now if that carries the floor great, if it doesn't it doesn't But I don't want us to be calling each other sneaky or Finagling or anything of that nature? I just appreciate if you asked me how I would pay for it because I would give you that opportunity
Ryan
I asked last time, and there was no answer. And there was no answer this time either. And now it's $60,000. Now it's $110,000! So let's be honest though. What you're talking about is expanding the budget by a hundred and ten thousand dollars. That's that's the honesty we got to get that out there. I appreciate what you said but that is realistic. You're trying to take it out of the other columns and put it in here. And by not putting sixty thousand and fifty thousand in the community funding budget You're taking it, putting it somewhere else than if you leave $151,000 in there. It's a significant change to what we have talked about, what we voted on and discussed. So I want to make sure everybody is real aware of it and I didn't understand how you were going to pay for it so until you explained It was kind of a secret, so I appreciate it.
I think that we ought to stick with what we agreed to. I thought that was well-thought out as $151,000 and that was going to include a total of what we were going to come up with from our options on the funding. Now, we can change that. I understand we can but I don't understand why we would have wasted our time talking about it and voting on it if we're just gonna change it at the next meeting.
Well, Randy, you're allowing this exchange. That's great, Martha. I appreciate that again. I never said reduce the community funding levels. I said keep them the same I never said reduce them by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, personally, I'd increase them but having said that, I'm telling you where I would move the money from which is income and where I would move it to as an expenditure. So that's all I'm saying. If that's going to win the day, it'll win the day if it doesn't, it doesn't. I don't think we have to go back and forth on what we discussed two
weeks ago. And just a reminder one thing I'm gonna say one thing you know tonight The goal is to adopt the budget so let's stay focused on that and go ahead Ryan. Well
I just want to make sure right? If the two motions that are on the floor, which I don't know now whether that includes. I don't know if it includes 60,000 and 50,000 to be removed out of this and paid for in the regular budget. Is that part of a motion on the floor? I haven't accepted the amendment.
Okay, all
right then I'm gonna ask this then if we did what Councilmember Haney suggested about moving the $60,000 for the Ojai Valley Museum and $50,000 for the Recreation High School program that we don't know anything about into the regular budget would that increase our budget by $110,000 reduce our reserves and not necessarily keep us in balance the way we were before?
Yeah
it would reduce the reserves. I want to make sure that's clear thank you
It would reduce the reserves, but it would increase the amount of money we can allocate to community organizations. Is that right?
Yes. It was subject to us agreeing to keep 151,000 as the amount for community funding.
Now, can I ask a question? Is the amount that's in the budget for the art grant, is that a fixed amount that we didn't agree on there or cannot also be increased at this point?
So, the way we did it this year because the Arts Commission is they didn't have members during the time where they normally budget was we kept their overall funding the same and then they're going to come back and ask council to confirm how they want to divide it. We're giving them the same amount of funding we gave them last year, and then they're going to tell us how much they want to use for grants and how much they want to use from mentors and all those
things. I went to the Arts Commission meeting. They've started to talk about it. The only one that they had this quarter, I think. Yeah. But they definitely indicated that they would like to have that amount increased. So am I going to miss the opportunity to ask if council That could be done now or it could be done if we did come back to talk about which ones to fund, that could be earmarked as $5,000 more towards the Arts Commission.
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Or it could be done at any point during the year if somebody, like the Arts Commission comes and makes a request and they justify that request, the Council could always approve a budget adjustment.
Okay, okay. That's very good to be clear on. Thank you.
And I just like to remind all of us that money is money and a budget is a budget. And when you take money from the reserves, you're taking money from the reserves and we almost ran out of money during COVID and we need those reserves so. I believe the motion is to move $60,000 for the
City Museum into a separate department in the expenditure by major category as illustrated on page 47 and to Draw on reserve, I didn't specify it in the motion for that $60,000 to keep the $151,000 at an existing level to be referred to the Budget and Finance Committee for deliberation for a recommendation to Council.
I believe
that's my motion
that was
seconded. Thank you,
go ahead Ryan.
Well it's a little different because it included that it's moving from the reserve so he still needs to second but that being said well I did mention reserve. I didn't think in the original motion but that's fine. Do
we have a
motion?
Please no crosstalk.
Historically James what has been the historical amounts we funded the community in the past has it ever been as much in the near past I know wasn't last year $151,000
Last year was actually higher is my recollection.
Okay, so what made it higher last?
Yeah, so last year's $204,000 okay,
so why are we reducing it this year?
Because that's what we can afford with the money going to paving streets. OK,
so we believe that the money that we're taking out of community funding for this year is a direct addition to being able to pave the streets as well as increase our reserves because they're still below our policy limit?
Yeah, so there's two big things right $320,000 going straight to reserves and then $450,000 that we wouldn't have transferred last year that we transferred so that we could afford to pave the street
I just want to make it really clear that this is not a situation where i have any problem with $60,000 going to the Ojai Valley Museum. I just want to make sure everybody's understanding by moving it in one column to the other we're taking money out of the reserve under this motion that is money that's designed to pave streets and get our reserves back because they were depleted almost zero during COVID and we are reducing our community funding though about fifty thousand dollars from what we did in the past
We have a motion
on the table. That you didn't allow a second to come place and that second would have allowed for further discussion. That's exactly what Councilman Blatts did, so just a point of order I believe and I could be wrong. I'll ask the city attorney but if there is a motion made. Do we vote on it or how do we extend it so that it doesn't matter? It just hangs out there in the ethers and then when we're done talking, then will come back to it and try and figure out
So as I understood it, we had a motion, a second, subsequent motion that never got a second. And then discussion continued on the first motion and the topic generally. That first motion has now been restated. I haven't to be clear heard a second on the motion is restated?
May I ask a question?
If there is one, then we can discuss it. If not, it dies and we get back to discussion. It was the same as the first motion? I thought it was a little
different as well. I was asked to restate that motion and in my original motion that I believe was seconded, I did say that 60,000 would be covered by
charge-to-reserve.
That's all I was trying to do is clarify generally when we have a motion to conduct any type of further discussion. It needs a second or it's not a motion.
So we have a new, we have a slightly, well... I didn't think it was different. Do we have a second on that? We have a second on the restated motions. Yes, we do. Okay. Make it easy. Okay, we have emotion and a second. Can we have roll call?
No, I'm going to have a question. So the $50,000 is just part of the original scenario. At one point we were discussing $60,000 plus $50,000 right? That's off
the table. There is only $60k in this motion.
And to clarify this motion will require taking money out of the reserves?
Yes. Correct.
Alright roll call please Gail.
Roll-call vote 2–2 motion will require taking money out of the reserves? Yes. Correct. Alright roll call · 1 under review
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Okay, great. All right we will move on now to item number four. As I understood the
motion as recounted by Council Member Weirich, it was to approve the budget with two adjustments from the document before us.
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One, to move $60,000 for the museum into a line item to draw on reserve to pay for that. And two, to keep the other community organization funding at $151,000 and to refer that to the Budget and Finance Committee for a detailed evaluation to come back to council. That's what I understood the motion that was just approved.
Okay, so I have a question.
I stand corrected
okay So so the Finance Committee will get the exact same staff report or similar staff report that you provided us
Yeah, they'll get all the applications the 14 or 13 applications
But just so that they get this done in the two weeks They'll also get the reasons the justifications.
They won't get this done in two weeks That's
This is not going to come back until
I would think the August 26th meeting.
August 26, so it's not possible at this point if there is consensus among my colleagues to fund anything on here? Isn't there...
The museum.
Budget and Finance Committee. Yeah we just voted
for that. The whole thing, we can't pull for example the Ohio Valley Green Coalition does that mean for example they can't start using the office? That's one concern I had because that was part of the package of funding
We can take a look at that. It wouldn't necessarily be tied up with the budget requests, but it may take some time. We can take a look at that issue in particular.
Okay. All right now we're ready to
move on to item number four? Yes. I just have
one more comment Mayor if you'd allow it. I just want to make sure that That we recognize that I'm going to reserve the right to bring back the high school internship program for some form of funding down the road, obviously with council support after it's better flushed out through the Recreation and Parks Department. But I just don't want to lose sight of that.
Okay. All right, now
we will move on to item number four, the Reach Code Ad Hoc Committee recommendations and I'm prepared to make a motion after the council completes discussion. James?
Thank you. We have a couple of slides on this one just to explain the current reach code and then the recommendation. So this item is the return of the Reach Code Ad Hoc Committee recommendations from a few months back. Just as a reminder of what a reach code is, a reach code is a local building code that reaches beyond the minimum requirements particularly in this regard related to energy usage and building design and construction A couple years back, the city adopted a reach code that required all electric appliances and all newly constructed single family residences, multifamily residences and non-residential buildings unless an exemption applies.
So at that time, the ordinance that was adopted by the city had these exemptions. An exemption for temporary buildings, attached ADUs, freestanding ADUs that would require an electrical panel upgrade, stationary emergency generators, any portions of a building that contains any deed-restricted affordable housing Any project where compliance would impact a participation in a PACE energy program.
And remodels or modifications made before the implementation of the ordinance, new or modified restaurants and then finally newer replacement swimming pool heaters and related equipment. So those items were all exempt from being built to the Reach Code standard And so we reported at the last council meeting that we discussed this, I believe it was March. That under the current reach code that's been in place for over a year, that the city has approved two single family residences since that time that were built. No new commercial buildings and 20 accessory dwelling units.
Because ADUs are currently exempt, those 20 accessory dwelling units were not required to be built electric. Some of them were built all-electric but they weren't required to by the REACH code and then the two single family residences both predated the adoption of the ordinance so both were exempt as well. And so we reported that back in March. At that time, the City Council created an ad hoc committee with council members Blatts and council member Haney to review the reach code more closely.
The council member committee met several times and made the following recommendations which is All exemptions from the ordinance, except for the ADU exemption and the affordable housing exemption require all other buildings to be built electric ready unless the property owner can show that it cannot be accomplished due to hardship. And how that would be done is we'd have a thorough attestation process which would require where we give the building, the builder or the property owner Information about potential benefits of electrification and they would have to sign a sign acknowledgment to attest that they had received that information and that they were requesting not to build electric. And so, and they'd have to meet one of two hardship standards which would be either that the cost would be a hardship or the construction ability would be And for example, one thing we talked about was that some parcels may just not be able to have the panel upgrade needed due to the lack of the electrical service.
So that'd be an example where there would be a challenge to actually build it that way. If that property owner signed the attestation and could show that then they would be exempt. And then last, that last note on this slide just talks about some of the language. If we were to make those changes to the ordinance, we'd have to make some small tweaks to the language to make it match some of the things in the way the projects are defined could be rewritten at that time. So I won't belabor that point.
So that recommendation has come back from the committee and it's presented to the council for review tonight. An ordinance hasn't been drafted at this time, we would wait for the full council direction to draft an ordinance.
Thank you, James. Any questions from Council? Susan?
So correct me if I'm wrong but it's my understanding that due to time constraints this report came out before the full committee could vet it so and it even says on the staff report the ad hoc committee has met And the council members have recommended that the city prepare an ordinance that would apply as follows. So my question, and I don't know if this is more appropriate for when we discuss, but I would like the justification for these recommendations. Am I correct that this came from Council Member Ryan and Haney?
Yes,
it came from us because we're on the committee but we worked at hand-in-hand with Dr. Calame. We had them doing work to reach out to the affordable housing from Habitat for Humanity, what else did we do? This was all in concert with them. Everybody came to this consensus it wasn't just us deciding who pulled all the building
department data. They did not agree my understanding I don't know if they're here to speak on it but I heard differently so well I'll save that for during the discussion and also I want to point out that on the first item though that should actually be two items those are the two most important exemptions in my mind They're the freestanding accessory dwelling units and affordable housing. Those are two completely separate things Mm-hmm. So if we go If we end up during discussion voting on perceptions, I'd like to see them
We're still on questions any yet? Any more questions? Yeah bill
um, I was wondering how the In from the standpoint of Reducing greenhouse emissions from the broadest possible general systems viewpoint. I was wondering how the committee and the staff handled the action, or incorporated the implications of the action by the California Public Utility Commissions on February 24th where they unanimously adopted a framework for mandatory biomethane purchases accelerating a pathway for gas distribution decarbonization expanding the market for methane waste and looking forward January 1st, 2023 the natural gas utilities that are going to be part of the evolution into renewable.
They must submit renewable gas procurement plans by the first of next year. I was just wondering how these actions by CPC were incorporated into the analysis?
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They weren't, you know for all intents and purposes. We looked at the Adopted reach code we looked at the number of units that have been built since that time and the potential impact of The modifications to the reach code but we didn't reanalyze the entire concept of don't
incorporate
the action to the CPC
on February 24th No this year. Okay. Thank you
Okay, we will move on to public comments. First we have Carla Melson then we have Charlie Franciscus and then Carmen Morito
And now my understanding is we were here We were going to be able to talk about the ban on gas powered Chainsaws, and I called the City Council today to see if that was part of the agenda And they said it was so I'm not here to talk about 80 use and
okay. We're talking about The reach codes tonight. So do you want to come back another night make a public comment? Oh
That
was adopted at the last meeting, but we do have an item coming to council at a future meeting to create the permit process
Thank You Carla next we have Charlie Franciscus Okay Nevermind Carmen are you here? Same thing. Okay, Joel? Okay. Colin Jones and then I have one blank card if somebody fills
one out. Sorry about that and the agendas are always available online and you can subscribe and if you get a chance to do that you can always look at what's coming up it's kind of confusing yeah
Sorry about that Carla. I apologize to all of you for coming, but thank you for coming
Colleen Jones Mayor council members November 2020 the city of Ojai's website boasted the following headline City of Ojai takes bold action by adopting reach codes requiring all electric new construction But you hadn't really, had you? Because you spent the next year and a half discussing something that if passed would affect what? One or two homes. And you were taking away the citizens' rights to choose between natural gas and electric for that purpose.
Why do you want to take away our right to choose? Do you know that 40% of California's electric power comes from natural gas anyway? Why do you want to stop us choosing natural gas? What is the point exactly? Is it because the Ojai Climate Emergency Mobilization Committee, takes three minutes to say it, suggests that this has the answers? The people you take advice from.
Well, I attended a Zoom meeting probably a year ago and I had a few questions for them. My first question was this if we phase out our last nuclear plant stop using fossil fuels while at the same time moving to the electrification of all transportation where's all this power coming from? Their answer, the state intends to ramp up green energy in the form of windmills and solar. And that should be sufficient.
I lived in California for 50 years and I know that should means won't do you want to bet your futures on should? My second question was bearing in mind the rolling blackouts that have occurred in California, can we depend on renewables only for future power? Their answer. There will be periods without electricity so we will have to wait until the power comes back on.
Lovely especially when it's 105 degrees or we prepare by installing a backup generator. Great! Except that an automatic backup generator installation costs 10 to $15,000 per home. And by the way runs on fossil fuels. I also explained to the committee that during the Thomas fire we stayed to save our home and that we were without electricity for seven days. The air outside was filled with smoke and ash so bad we had to wear respirators Luckily we had gas so we could boil water, cook meals and bathe ourselves.
When I pointed out that gas allowed us to save our house the unbelievable answer was I should have barbecued! Yes outside... Thank you Colin Can I have one more? I'm the only one speaking. The final answer was this, don't worry about the extra demand for electricity in Ojai, Colin.
I'm sorry, Colin, I'm going to have to cut you
off. So if Ojai isn't building many more
homes
why do we need the reach code? Thank you.
Okay, we have Wendy Launer and then one card with no name is there anyone else out there who would like to speak? Okay all right Wendy Launer
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Hi again. It's claimed that the restrictions in the REACH code are cost effective and I think it's because, it's claimed that the Title 24 of the California Emergency Codes and Standards document somehow It shows that to be the case, but I looked through this read much of it and I could not detect the accounting for subsidies discounts tax credits offsets and rebates.
It seemed like at every step the heavy hand of government and powerful NGOs are weighting the cost with incentives, disincentives, with restrictions in supply. With choosing winners and losers in this decision as to whether you could have your choice in the form of energy you'd like. And they really aren't cheaper alternatives if the government finances the waiting, because you as taxpayers, we as taxpayers.
If it's that money or at least it's taxpayer money or borrowed money that the future generations will be responsible for. There are, it seems to me, implicit pipe dreams in the Reach Code about renewables. But I suggest they are insufficient to provide adequate energy without using fossil fuels at the energy production sites. And I don't think that's going to change from everything that is being learned about those particular two renewables. Nuclear is a different case but that isn't seemingly being considered.
The alternate is restricted energy, brownouts and a declining standard of living. As reach codes are expanded I'm not saying this particular code will cause that but this is not the end of it there's more to come and this is I'm afraid the proverbial camel's nose under the tent thank you
Thank you, Wendy. Any comments on Zoom, Gail?
If anyone in the Zoom queue would like to speak on this item please use the raised hand function now and we have one person Steve Colame I'm going to bring him in I'm going to allow him to speak Mr. Colame if you can unmute yourself you should be able to speak now
Sure, I'm unmuted. So I'm speaking as a member tonight of the Ad Hoc Reach Code Committee. The ad hoc committee met a couple of times over the past couple of months with productive information sharing and discussion Justin Pennington and I were the two public members of that committee. Justin is a professional engineer and an energy expert with knowledge of building codes, and the direction the state is taking in terms of electrification.
We received a copy of the administrative report only last week as it went out with the council agenda packet. And both Justin and I were surprised by the continuing blanket exemptions for freestanding ADUs and affordable housing units, for these are the very class of new residential buildings most in need of construction with modern high efficiency electric appliances.
It is important that we avoid further investments in outdated and inefficient appliances and construction methods that will be with us for another 50 years or so. Justin and I met with Darcy Taylor, the CEO of Habitat for Humanity, and his board chair to discuss their making a commitment to build affordable units in Ojai without any gas connections. Mr. Taylor had explored the issue before our meeting and was convinced that this is the right direction, and he promised that they would be providing all electric options for Ojai at the proposed Montgomery Street site.
We urge the council to direct staff, to amend the ordinance, to eliminate all categorical exemptions. We also encourage a clear appeal path for building applicants who can attest to cost or other valid reasons for needing to build with additional piping and plumbing costs that would be required to add an unnecessary gas connection. Building all electric is not an impediment to affordable housing. In fact, this is the least cost building approach both in terms of first capital costs and long-term utility costs. Thank you.
Thank you Steve. We have one more. Oh okay go
ahead. Justin Pennington let me see.
Do we want to keep people on the line for questions?
So the next person is Justin Pennington. Mr. Pennington you're unmuted, you can go ahead and speak.
Hi good evening Council. My name is Justin Pennington as Steve mentioned I'm a local mechanical engineer with a focus in green building energy efficiency and sustainability. I had the privilege of being on part of the ad hoc committee to meet with council members Haney and Blatz and James Vega And I was pleased to see that many of the reach codes exemptions that we discussed have been eliminated to strengthen the reach code.
As Steve mentioned, I believe that the two remaining exemptions for the standalone ADUs and affordable housing can also be eliminated. During our discussions, we talked about the new 2022 Building Energy Code which the state is passing into effect that will go into effect January 1st of next year. The new energy code is relevant to our REACH code because of several items that relate The new energy code will require that all homes, residential homes and ADUs be electric ready.
So that means that water heaters, furnaces, cooktop stoves, dryers, all appliances that have traditionally been gas can still be installed as gas but it requires that the electrical infrastructure wiring dedicated circuits be in place to support future electric appliances and all electric construction. It also establishes that heat pumps are going to be the new standard for both water heating and the space heating of homes. So this means that any new construction standalone ADUs or single-family homes in Ojai built next year will need to meet these requirements, so the homes can still be built with gas but will need to be future ready for all electric. Electric ready will be the new standard Which means that if you're going to be building with both gas infrastructure and electric ready infrastructure.
It's going to be less cost effective than just building outright for all electric from the start, and the reach code is designed to exceed the state minimum standards. And reach further to meet our local climate goals. So therefore, I believe the exemptions for standalone ADU and affordable housing can be removed because all electric will be the most cost effective method and most energy efficient and climate friendly.
And I'd like to state again that the REACH code only applies to new construction so this is not Is it existing home alterations? It's not additions, it's not equipment replacements. It's not junior ADUs or attached ADUs or garage conversions. This is only for new construction and I believe if we can eliminate Putting new gas infrastructure, again that will be and strengthen our climate goals.
And I hope to continue to work with the council and the community on how to tackle the larger issues at hand which is the existing inefficient and dangerous appliances in our homes, which were built many before energy standards. And I think this can be done by providing the homeowners in OHA with access to resources, local contractors and incentives. Thank you,
Justin. Can we get Steve back for a moment to answer Ryan's question? OK, never mind. All right. Let's move on to discussion. OK, go ahead.
All right. So few things. We walked out of our meeting with agreement with everybody, but I don't know that this is the same thing we agreed to and I saw this on the agenda. And since I was in the ad hoc committee, I missed this very nuanced point. But where this talks about removal exemptions from the ordinance except for freestanding accelerate dwelling units and affordable housing units? Well, I mean, obviously what we wanted to do was make sure junior ADUs and attached ADUs were exempt.
We all agreed to that, but I thought that we had talked about ADUs. Now we left there was a we had a discussion on ADUs by the way in this discussion we talked about pools future additions how this might work down the path of all kinds of different permutations how this might work in the future so did not this was not a discussion about alright let's just cherry pick a couple exemptions and see what's going to happen. The idea of building these buildings electric ready But with the idea being that you could still use gas if you wanted, attested to that what we wanted was choice. We wanted people to be able to choose but we didn't want it to be in the future if they couldn't and what we were being told was that anybody in their right mind would do electric because it was better less expensive so if they're forced to do electric ready they're highly likely not to choose anything else and we liked that as a better option than saying It's got to be this way versus that way.
I thought that we agreed and maybe I'm wrong, I don't have my notes from our meetings in here but I thought we were willing to go to electric ready for ADUs but there was a big question about affordable housing because we had just had a presentation by Darcy from Habitat for Humanity and he did not feel comfortable saying that ADUs could be done with gas only This is the first time I have heard that we got feedback on it. Nobody contact nobody told me I don't remember seeing an email, we never had another meeting after that. So I'm a little unhappy with the fact that we're getting information from people in our committee who are being told don't agree with us. But we didn't get that information. So if the Habitat for Humanity people believe and the other affordable housing experts believe that, that is a way to do it I think we oughta maybe at least leave it open.
We can decide later if we're approving something but I think that you know if they can do it, I don't necessarily feel like we have to have an exemption or non-exemption but I don' want to have that be a reason we can't make housing affordable and I don want it to force Affordable housing into what is a complicated scheme of kind of affordable, not quite affordable. And you can have some costs that move it up from one section to the other. But my memory doesn't recall that we weren't okay with electric ready and our belief was that there wasn't a significant increase in cost for prepping a property for being electric ready if they still wanted to do gas.
And that we were okay with that on ADUs. So I'm a little confused there. I'm going to ask this though, Mr. Haney do you remember? Yeah I can clarify some of this. Okay all right and if anybody has a better answer James if I'm just wrong let me know but...
Well, the one thing I do want to point out is so I've reached out to Darcy and he's very excited about getting the information on electric but they haven't done the analysis yet. Okay? So the statement that they are ready to go is not quite accurate. They're very interested. They're asking for more information but Really what they're gonna bring back to us on our project or Habitat for Humanity project is they're gonna bring us Both options and tell us what both costs so it might cost less, but he doesn't know that. Okay. So thank you
Bill
yeah, I I Had heard you know the idea of electric ready is Exactly, provides preserved choice. If it's the cheapest way to go with all electric then that's how it'll be built so why does it have to be mandated? On the other hand I want to keep hammering this point that there's this whole issue of renewability being broader than just electrification and Gas is turning into renewable just like electricity is turning into renewable and we seem to be ignoring that. And I want to take this opportunity to make a quote, a couple things that apparently have not been included in the analysis from the CPUC.
The CPUC set biomethane targets for utilities specifically focused on A broad residential and commercial gas users. One of the commissioners, I'm going to quote saying tackling methane which is far more damaging to the atmosphere than is carbon dioxide, far more damaging. Tackling methane and other short-lived climate pollutants is critical given our climate crisis. This decision will reduce emissions from some of the state's leading methane sources. They're specifically focusing on landfills and organic waste diversion which is what everyone is struggling to handle right now.
And another official statement from CPUC said, reducing short-lived climate pollutants. Far more potent greenhouse gas and carbon dioxide is one of the most effective ways to slow the pace of climate change. So in other words, the idea that we are going to get there in terms of maximizing our progress On managing greenhouse emissions, only with a narrow view of electrification as opposed to a broader view of renewability I think is a mistake. The California Air Resources Board 2019 data says that the sectors of otherwise uncontrolled methane and black carbon emissions in our waste, landfill, agriculture and forest management sectors Our 75% of the state's methane emissions, according to the California Air Resources Board. You know this better than I do.
My point being is that I think the general idea of where you guys were going with the electric ready is perfectly appropriate given these broader developments in our regulatory framework towards overall renewability and climate emissions progress.
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I just want to say that, yes. And I just want to use this as a public service announcement. The reason why everyone in California is now required to wrap up their used food and put it in the brown bin is this exact problem. Methane gas seepage at landfills and other waste is an unbelievable amount of pollution when you look at the hard numbers. And methane, roughly like nine times worse, something like that for the environment? Yeah, eight or nine. It creates eight or nine times more heating than carbon dioxide does by itself. And that's a very key thing, I just want to put everybody on that track to remind them. That's why methane is a serious, serious problem that we have but we did. We liked the idea of because our future is unknown, we don't know whether tomorrow or the next day there might be a change in the way things are going.
It kind of makes sense in the modern era to have two options in the home so that whatever happens down the road you don't have to rewire it. Agreed.
Randy?
I think it'd be easy just to say, I concur. But we did meet as a group and we really deeply discussed the original reach code and we all went line by line on each of the exemptions. So there was a thorough discussion if in the end Steve and Justin weren't 100% sure what we agreed with Also I would say as part of the committee, I'm sorry that you didn't feel that way. I felt when we left that room that we had an agreement as to what we were going to do and the biggest reason that we didn't go 100% on the ADUs and on the affordable housing was the fact that Justin made it clear that the future electric code is going to require this dual hookup. So, that's why we said if it's going to be required, we'll require it and if someone is gonna spend the money to run change their power box additional power out to an ADU, they're more than likely going to spend the money and actually go all electric.
When you think of an ADU when you think of the small number of appliances in it versus what you have in a regular home so that's why we did what we did and the other thing is these reach codes can always be amended So once again, we're fighting over are we at 110% or are we at 90%. The reality is we reached as far as we could go and I would call this reach one.
Because down the road when we actually reconvene a reach two which I'm going to ask that we agendize later on this evening. In that we actually start look at looking at the reconstruction aspect of our community and look at what we can do to actually create a environment. That's conducive to educating people as to why they need to go electric or again, offering the opportunity or the choice to do that so.
Mayor, I think if you're ready to make a
motion. There's one thing that wasn't very highlighted in here James and I appreciate the report but one thing we talked about a lot was education because we've been told over and over again that this decision electric versus gas is obvious and we're hearing it from one side that is cheaper it's better there was really no drawback in electrification over gas according to the people we were talking to So we thought it was really important that we should add an element of this as providing that education to people that come in. So, we actually asked for them to create some materials that we would have a process built-in for permitting anything in the city whether it has an exemption or not that would force them to be providing it. It would force them to sign something that they've...
In addition, it was supposed to include that they would have had to attest to reading the information that they had If they were claiming a hardship that had to be part of their hardship declaration, was that they could confirm that they'd actually read the documentation. Because we wanted to see people in a situation where all right if it's still after all of these reasons that they've been told that it's the best it could be and this is the best way to do it then only after that would they even be eligible to consider a situation where maybe only gas. And even with that the building codes I appreciate you clarifying that Randy would still require to be dual purpose.
Well, I just want to say that today alone we received three reports. One was in the New York Times on a Harvard study that identifies toxic contaminants from gas ranges. We also received a report from the Physicians for Social I want to point out that with your two exemptions, those are usually the smallest units and those are the very people that would be breathing these fumes more than Adequate ventilation, you know a tiny I don't understand it. I mean, I do want to separate but I do not understand at all any justification for an exemption for freestanding accessory dwelling units as far as I know the ones I saw with Venus they were always electric Are we did I misunderstand or are we in agreement? At least on that one exact that we remove that exemption I just didn't understand the justification for that one.
With affordable housing, I could...
Are you asking me? Yeah.
I'm going to jump in here because there is no more down the road for any of us, for our planet. There is no wait and see what happens. During the period of time between 1895 and 2018, there's been a 2.6 degrees Celsius increase in average temperature in Ventura County This is the largest temperature increase in any county in the continental US. If future generations are going to have a habitable earth, we must simultaneously address climate from the top down and the bottom up and meet in the middle with a sustainable planet.
World leaders need to act now and we do too right here in Ojai. It is our responsibility to take immediate decisive action to reduce our carbon emissions, thereby doing our part to avert future temperature increases both globally and locally. In addition, Ventura County has a massive history of fossil fuel extraction in which we are still engaged. We must be leaders, not followers and change our behavior first and not last. The vast majority of new development in Ojai is standalone ADUs and affordable housing. Therefore, exempting affordable housing in a freestanding ADU is a non-starter. We need a clean reach code with no exemptions.
In an effort to move forward to clean our reach code tonight, I offer the following motion. I make a motion to amend our reach code to remove all exemptions.
And would that include the hardship where they can make a case if there's a hardship?
We can direct staff to look into that.
Then I would second that motion as long as there can be There's some real far out situation where they can demonstrate not just a financial hardship, but more than that to do with just on the practical level. And
we're getting the data?
Yeah.
All right so we have a motion and we have a second. We don't need a roll call on this correct Mr. City Attorney?
We are going to have discussion. Discussion is of course the council's discretion because this is a direction for staff to write an ordinance return no roll call is required although I suspect it may not be a unanimous vote so plainly state your ayes and your nays
All in favor? Aye.
There's a motion and a second, so there typically is an opportunity for discussion
after that.
Mayor your statement again
is sophistry
it does not
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subject itself to the discipline of the issue of how to maximize our efforts to minimize climate change by looking at greenhouse emissions, which is more than carbon dioxide. So it's software theory rather than analysis and I cannot support the
motion. Any other comments? Ryan.
I think that educating people and making sure they're aware of the electric possibility of it being cheaper, better, cleaner and everything else is an important element to all this. I don't think telling them what to do is the right way to get their consent. And I don�t think we know, we don�t have a certainty in our future about how this is going to work so I think requiring them to be electric ready which our building code is going to do, and I'm happy to entertain an amendment that would include ADUs if necessary. If that's something that everybody would want to agree with. I don't agree because we can't get feedback from the people that do affordable housing that gas is going to work for affordable housing so I think we got a hold on to that and see later on but the idea that we are trying to fix this gas problem because of health in the homes it's just not accurate That's just not the reality of it.
People have gas that they burn in their homes, they have older homes that aren't gonna be subject to any of this where that's a problem. They don't have hoods on their ranges. There is not a massive outbreak of problems regarding these situations. I've read all the data, I've been provided so much of it. You're not looking at how many people get electrocuted in their home? How electricity is a real problem? How it started the fire that almost burnt our town down?
So stop making electric into being the king of all great things. We don't know right now. Nobody here is trying to say that we're not for climate sustainability, for our being a leader in these areas. We are a leader by looking at this and finding something that's reasonable that people can hold on to and say you know what? I may think this is a little much but they sure thought about it and they sure did the right thing rather than the simple thing which is to just pound people and go, well we're going to outlaw all of it no matter what. That's not nuanced that's not smart that's not well thought out and that's not leading that's following And I don't agree with that. I think that we've got to get this information into people's hands, see what turns out and if they have an option between A and B and they go wow it's going to cost me more to put in gas and it's not worth it and I have to put in the electric anyway then we should not have to hit them over the head with it at all but come on this is us really trying to be leaders and be responsible This is hardly trying to sweep the issue under the rug and wait for later.
And I don't feel comfortable with that, and I don't like turning it into that, and we didn't spend our time in those meetings talking about that. We spent our time saying how do we make this work and have it make sense at the same time?
Okay. Go ahead, Susan.
First, to Council Member Weirich's point, I recognize there's no one single cure to the things that are coming down the road with climate. I mean, I recognize that this is just one piece in my mind, a small piece of the puzzle. But what I would like to do now is find some common ground because I felt that Council Member Blatz made very valid points I'm capable of reconsidering things. Is it possible to separate affordable housing and accessory dwelling units, and see if we can find consensus to remove that exemption provided with the understanding about what do you call that? The electric panel where it's practical, where it's possible because for many people, You know remove that exemption can we
That could be done. Yeah, is there
people? Yep. No, we haven't voted yet. No, but it's their discussion Consensus for do we have to okay? Can I withdraw my second? To our better well
yes
Or I don't need to withdraw it. We just vote on it. We already voted. There are already three that-
Well, hold on. We haven't voted yet. We haven't voted on the
motion yet
so you- No. Okay. So we have a motion and we have a second. I'll keep my second. And so- And we have
one more comment.
Do
you want to make-
We're
in discussion then we vote on the motion.
Right. We're in discussion. Sue's finished. Is there anyone else who would like to say anything before we vote on this? Go ahead.
So I think one of the things that's That has been a part of this discussion from day one, and that this process as well as we have thought we had created. a great committee to help us achieve success in this area. It was a top-down committee and it was an edict from five people as to how we should achieve these reach codes in our community. Now, I think every one of those members and then I'll put Justin in that group now they're very smart people very intelligent people and I think that their That what they desire is appropriate.
But for a community, a community needs the ability to work through things like this without someone beating them over the head on how to do it. And what we achieved with this process here is we're 99% there on new construction. And if the Habitat of Humanity group comes back and actually displays to us that electric is cheaper than gas, this body then has the right to amend this and do exactly what you'd like to achieve, Sousa. So I'm saying there's nothing wrong with what we have. I'm gonna stay with what we have, what's recommended.
And like I said we can do more in this community, but we're not going to do much more in new construction This community does not is not based on building new We are a community that remodels and we need to address reach codes In that aspect of the community and I would call that reach too. And we are gonna do that
I would like to say something. 95% of the construction that happens now approximately ADUs and affordable housing so basically that exemption makes this.
Mayor, that's a new construction? Yes. That's not construction?
No, new construction. So what I'm saying is that exemption makes this quite powerless and keep in mind that this was voted on in 2019. I believe this is the fourth time it's come back to council to review and as I said the time is now we have to stop kicking this down the road and we actually have to be leaders in this area and take action So we have, if we're finished with discussion on that. We do have a motion and we have a second so let's vote on that first.
And then we can have another motion?
Well let's see what happens. Okay
I'm gonna make another motion.
Okay we have a motion in second so all in favor? Aye. All opposed?
No.
So my motion would be to not remove accessory dwelling units Think everything else How
about electric ready? Yeah requiring
I'm gonna ask the council members to please bring it back to the chair. Thank you Sorry for hitting that so hard in me, too Who would like to speak next
I may need help with expressing this but I did not understand Currently it states, remove all exemptions from the ordinance except for free standing accessory drilling units and affordable housing exemption. I want to separate those two And include the freestanding accessory dwelling units where it's possible. It just seems very reasonable and we're encouraging that, and if they don't...
So are you saying that is your I'll wait and hear what Council Member Weirich has to
say. Yeah, that's my motion. Okay you made a motion. Someone read the motion
back?
Let's
talk first. Removing all of the exemptions except for the affordable housing
exemption. If you could wait to be called on. Bill?
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To me, the Electric Ready is compelling because If you, and I would actually be open to expanding Electric Ready, the concept into a broader applicability to remodeling situations. And so I'll be quick about it. And so to me that's the focus is Electric Ready because then we expand it into more than just absolute new construction. It applies to everything People are going to go with the, if it's required to be both available then they're going to go with electric. If indeed everything proves out to be the most affordable and the preservation of individual choice is melded with making the most progress on you know, the approach of building impact on climate change that's my thought.
Ryan
Yeah, I completely agree. We discussed that where we were with that and why it's not included is we weren't sure there are some complications when you're talking about additions about Like the air conditioning system being on one thing and something else been changing it. And these, we weren't really sure so what we thought was hey let's get these in see what kind of hardship exemptions are either passed not passed. See if we can get some more information.
Part of the state building code is going to make this a little easier once electric ready becomes more ubiquitous out there because its in more building codes then hopefully we can see costs come down as well. And then installations a little simpler. So we thought this was an appropriate step with a discussion we had about how ultimately, I don't think we're there yet but we do want to try and roll some of these things into where it's really going to count right? Which is remodeling upgrade you know all those other things
I think it's something that you know how we'd like to get because one thing we have a lack
of is
data. We don't have a lot of data. We have a lot of studies. of anecdotal information. We don't have a lot of what came in, how did the people like we couldn't get an answer exactly to how many people were presented with the electric information and still chose gas. All the ADUs had chosen but I'm going well if they don't know and pushing them for it. So we wanted to really build in that educational part to it, to make sure nobody is getting out of this without either lying or reading the material and if they read the material and they don't lie then they're gonna have to still get through a hardship exception so... And we wanted to... That's why it's listed there as kind of open. It wasn't going to be something simple. It's not going to be the end of the world but we wanted something that has some real teeth so that it's not a caveat you know catch-all for everybody not to be responsible to have to do this
Susan yes, I have a different line of thinking. I see no reason after even after what you said to not Include to remove the exemption for ad use just even You in my mind you get just give the rational rationale for not Removing 80 years,
but I wasn't arguing that Susan huh? I wasn't saying that we should remove them No, I agree with you.
But in my
mind... I'm going to remind the council members that you need to bring it back to the chair and there's no cross-talk so when you're
finished... Well it just feels to me that we haven't made any even Colin Jones pointed out is it was a useless reach basically a useless reach code You know, we're making a little bit of progress. And we've had three years to educate the public and hopefully it will get serious about that but it's not just our job if members of the public are reading it's on all the news you know why this is necessary And back in March, Mark Whitman provided us with what do you call it? A chart of the costs.
Anyway I do not understand why you would want to state rather than the state that you want to exempt because that puts doubt in people's minds In my opinion
and if you're referring to me, I gotta respond. I'm not I'm not saying that's not what I said Okay,
once again, I'm gonna remind I'm gonna remind
that yeah, but mayor we can we're politely talking I don't think it's necessary to interrupt. We're trying to I'm
asking you when you want to speak to ask the chair
Asking if I can speak to clarify what's going on I agree with you that I think we should include ADUs as non-exempt electric ready requirement, even on the freestanding ones. Junior ADUs and additions is what we were discussing because a junior ADU is in the form of an addition. And I don't agree with going there yet but with the idea that we'd look at that in the future.
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You were saying what you were saying, so yeah. Okay,
I disagree. Randy?
I'm ready to make a motion to close debate and let's vote.
Okay we have a motion and we have a second. Do you want to repeat the motion
Susan? My motion was very simple that we do not include ADUs in the list of exemptions
And include the other exemptions though.
Yes yes since we couldn't get consensus a majority vote on everything I thought that we could at least move take a step forward and not have an exemption for ADUs.
The motion is to, can I ask a question on the motion? So the motion is to not include ADUs in the electric requirement or not include ADUs in any exemptions?
Yeah, I'm just going by the first recommendation states remove all exemptions from the ordinance except for freestanding accessory dwelling units. So I'm saying do not remove freestanding accessories. Just
understand your motion is to say there would not be an electric ready requirement for ADUs
No, it would be required. So why would you... It would be required... If I
could jump in briefly here? Yes, please. Please, Matt. I think I understand what's happening here. Council Member Francina's motion is not to touch electric ready. It is to maintain the existing no gas requirement in the existing REACH code and to delete the exemption for ADUs that is quite distinct from this proposal by Council Members Blatt and Wyrick. Right. Your proposal involves electric ready which allows gas Council Member Francina's proposal does not involve electric ready. But I'll ask Council Member Francina to clarify
that. That's correct, I don't see the need to have that choice for accessory dwelling units. I think most of them are inclined to do that anyway. So
if I could clarify briefly your motion is to maintain the existing REACH code which requires all-electric and prohibits gas in new construction and to delete the exemption that allows ADUs to be gas or electric?
Yes.
Okay, that would need a second to move forward.
Okay do we have a second?
Motion fails for lack of a second.
May I
make a
motion?
Sure. All right, I would like to make a motion that we require all buildings to be electric ready unless all new construction to be electric ready with the only exceptions being affordable housing or a hardship exemption That's it.
I'll second that.
OK, we need a roll call here. Gail? No, we don't. Yay or nay? Yay. All in favor, yay?
Yay!
And I'm going to say nay because we deserve a clean reach code here in Ojai. Thank you. Let's take a five minute break and we will be back.
Are
we just really against today?
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Electric Hydro Boyz, that's the state of the art. Yeah, well where's the inverting and what's going in? And what are you doing with that? And where does the hydrogen go in it? Where is the hydrogen going so that you're doing... That's part of your uh... Yeah. It's part of your renewals. It starts when you have more oil than you need. Part of what's going in for renewables is producing hydrogen. That's why we're doing the MRC. And guess what they're doing with the hydrogen? They're putting it in the National Gas Distribution System.
I was told
that the Zoom
link for those of us watching the meeting has
no sound. We can see the slides but
not the council and
the
sound
cut out.
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Oh this was 647, sorry. Okay. I think that has
been
solved yeah.
Okay. Yeah. I emailed her the link. And then as far as her sound was concerned, James Spaulding and I figured out that somehow I accidentally turned the sound off and he figured it out and turned
it
back on
and we're not sure how it made the sound go away.
Okay, I just texted her.
OK. Everybody right?
Okay, we are back and I just want to Say one note. Just a reminder that there is no crosstalk and Ryan I realize you were having a civil conversation with civil I mean with a with Sousa I'm gonna require that when council members want to speak so that we can run an efficient meeting that you Asked to be acknowledged by the chair So thank you very much
Ask something of the city attorney. This is at the mayor's discretion, right? If someone else that was running the meeting wanted to allow limited respectful crosstalk, that would be okay, correct?
It is at the mayor's discretion and any ruling by the mayor can be appealed to the full body.
Okay I would appeal that Because if
I could make a recommendation My recommendation would be to that the mayor runs the meeting as the mayor sees fit and if there's a particular ruling then appeal That rather than the generic.
Yeah,
I intend to run the meeting one way or versus the other it is all everything's appealable But I'm not sure that that'll accomplish anything when there's not a specific decision at issue
No, I thought I was appealing that she doesn't allow any crosstalk whatsoever that it's a hard fast rule whereas sometimes That actually delays the meeting. There's bound in a natural situation, even with regulations and rules, there's bound to be some spontaneous crosstalk. She could limit it and bang her gavel and put an end to it but I do not approve that there's no exceptions.
I feel like basically that's what the mayor who I love dearly is saying but in this regard, I disagree. That's all.
Understood and I would suggest we revisit that as it comes up.
Okay, thank you Thank you.
All right, we will move on to item number five the CalPERS retired and annuant and you went position wouldn't yeah
Yeah, thank You mayor and I'm happy to keep this item is brief and simple as possible hopefully It sounds complicated. It's on the agenda as a CalPERS retired annuitant position, essentially what it means is when somebody retires from one agency through CalPERS which is our pension provider, when they retire from one agency through CalPERS before they can come back to work Especially within a particular period of time after the retirement the for transparency and clarity The city that would hire that person would is required to put an item on an agenda to kind of Explain that and then get the and actually have the City Council approve the appointment and the salary range our salary schedule And so again, it sounds complicated but essentially we would like to hire Miss Palmer who recently retired after 23 years of service from a public works administrator position in the city of Camarillo.
To help us with some specific projects. And so to do that, I need the City Council and recommend that the City Council approve the salary schedule and adopt the resolution for the salary schedule and the appointment.
Thank you, James. Any questions from Council?
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The last paragraph, no other benefits incentive compensation in lieu of benefits or other form of compensation is to be paid to Ms. Palmer etc., does that include compensation time? Does that include comp time? No comp time?
Correct, no comp
time. Thank you.
Okay any other questions? No public comment on Zoom Gail?
If there's anyone in the Zoom queue who would like to speak on this item, please use the raise hand function now.
Okay let's move on to discussion. Randy?
I don't need to discuss it. I was ready to make a motion. Same here. So is the motion James or Matt to accept the recommendation and adopt the resolution amending the salary schedule to include the classification an hourly wage for retired What is it? Annuitant. Employee, thank you and adopt a resolution appointing Lindy Moore Palmer as an extra part-time help employee in the city managers office with the salary range of 51 F at an hourly rate of 50 22 an hour
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Show transcript
Great.
All right, we will move on to our last I am number six request from two. That's her.
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for attention.
Congratulations. Thank you. Welcome aboard. Welcome to the team. I was going to say that but I didn't know
it's so nice.
Okay,
number six request from two council members to consider a property owner requests to apply a special overlay zone to 801 East OI Avenue. James you have a presentation
I did. I know normally we We leave it to the council members, but I did want to just Give a couple pieces of background Just as information so As the report notes, there was a request from a property owner for the city to consider applying the special housing overlay which would allow for development of affordable housing at that property. I want to do before we kind of turn it over to council Just give a general idea of what the standard process would be for these types of requests. And that is that typically these projects would apply for a general plan amendment and a zoning map change for the SPL overlay, Those would go through the Planning Commission and then to the City Council.
There's a standard base fee of $450, and then after the first couple of hours there is then an hourly rate for the application to be processed in the environmental work. We estimate that the cost for that would probably be about $15,000 and it would likely take about five to six months. And that's like the standard process as we'll get into in as we noted in the report.
You know, one of the reasons why this request would come to Council is if the Council wants to try to expedite a request related to affordable housing that is something that the City Council could do. And so we just wanted to explain kind of what the normal process is and explain why then in the report we note Three of the council options, you know there's probably more but the three basic options would be either the council taking no action which would leave the applicant to go through that process I just described. Number two that the council Provide feedback regarding whether there's support for potentially identifying this as an SBL overlay site.
And the reason why we explain that is a lot of times what people have concern about is spending all of that money and time, and not knowing if the city even wants it. So option two is intended to give them the feedback but it would still leave it through the standard process. And then there's option three, which is if the council prioritizes or chose to prioritize affordable housing and looked at this opportunity as something it wanted to support. It could just direct the planning commission to review that application. So those are the three options. It really does come down to essentially the policy choice of whether the council wants to encourage the project or not.
Thank you, James. Any questions from
Council? It may be a premature question but is it possible to do two and three?
Yes, I would well kind of Part of two says you know give feedback and then leave it to the applicant to submit an application. So The council could give feedback And then but going to option three with then not the part about leaving it to the applicant would not be relevant anymore so I think what that would look like would be giving feedback, whether the council's interested or not and then determining then whether it should go to the planning commission.
Okay. That answers my question. It was just a hypothetical question. Bill?
Not a question. I had comments. Okay.
We have public comments. I have comments too. Okay, go
ahead. So with the SPL overlay we generally put that on properties with potentially without the consent of the property owner. Does that happen or do we always have their consent? Because I don't know if, I know it with Raina numbers it's been an issue in the past but the places where we've outlined for it were those in concert with because I don' think they were at the request of every property owner
Yeah, so that's a good question and just as a little bit of background and then I'll answer that directly but. So our arena number this year is 53 we have well in excess of that many sites or that many units zoned for so so we don't have to add any more at this time but we have had properties in the past
Raina is the regional housing authority that gives us a minimum number of affordable units that we have to at least zone for in a given period of
time. There is a site, at least one currently on, that was not with the concurrence of the property owner.
And I would add, a couple. If you go back to two cycles ago when the first SPL was put in place in 2014 there were at least a couple that were done without the consent. But
unlike changing zoning of general plan amendment from R1 to R2 or from public land we had one recently right? That was PL 2. I think R2 that required a general permit. This is a little different because we're going to SPL, right? I mean, I know the process would be the same but we don't always treat SPL of rezoning to SPL the same way which we've treated in the past going from PL to R2 or R1 to R3 or those types of things
Correct, and I think you know the PL question the council in the past is specifically Stated that we know to the goal of being protective of the PL zone The council's also in the past stated support for pursuing affordable housing projects So so that would be a difference between those two as well
any and under the yes I could jump it briefly. Is that The SPL is an overlay zone. Adding the SPL overlay zone to a site does not change the underlying zoning. And thus, the underlying allowed use is distinct from the others you've cited.
Right and that was the other thing I was going to say thank you Matt because it's kind of a double layer. It's kind of a double zoning- Correct. That gives you a little expansive use in the commercial zone and it's limited to just affordable housing and the SPL correct? Or is there any other possible land uses that you'd be able to, by having an SPL doesn't it? Other than all the commercial that would be allowed under C-1.
Right, C- 1. The SPL overlay zoning itself just allows for affordable housing although remember as I recall it allows for some mix of affordable and market rate but its housing.
Okay
thank
you.
Okay we'll move on to public comment first we have Nick Oatway and then Bill Miley
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Hello, I'm Nicholas Oatway, local architect interested in seeing housing develop in the city of Ojai. Particularly interested from not just the physical aspect of it, but the social aspect of having a place for people who work in Ojai to live without sweating bullets every month. I've, I ran into the commander of the local American Legion in arranging for parking spaces for a project that I was designing and is now under construction across the street next to Dave West's
Midtown
grocery store. What?
Westridge
Yes, Westridge. And we've spent a lot of time talking about it. He had no problem giving us the extra parking spaces but as I started to look at this piece of property which is approximately the same as Dave Westridge Midtown, his Westridge Midtown is a perfect square of 300 feet on every side And this piece of property is 301 feet on all four sides. It's just a perfect example of what happened when we first put our general plans together And just figured that everybody over the age of 16 wanted to and was loving to drive their lovely DeSoto or whatever it was that they wanted to get into.
And they would drive downtown to do everything, find a job, buy the groceries. But I think the future town of Ojai, just as many, many towns are discovering in America that the downtown needs to have some people living in it who can move and live and enjoy their lives without having to get in a car every morning to do anything. So I am committed to building housing that people can live without sweating bullets and not just housing, but a social place to live and work and enjoy the town.
So I'm basically wandering a little, but I've had many discussions and we
have... Thank you Nick. Two seconds. Okay two seconds. Is it? I'm going to ask the council.
Okay. I'm not at this point, I just wanted to get the American Legion to buy a concept and I'm doing that pro bono and I told them A little over the top with work and it would probably be September or October before I would have such a thing. But at that point, I am going to present not just a plan but a whole really working relationship for raising the funds that it will take to make affordable housing.
It's going to take a lot of funds. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Nick. Next we have Bill Miley.
Bill Miley? Hello. It was worth the wait. I am assisting Nick Oatway in this project and I like it a lot So I support the third option. The City Council direct the Planning Commission to consider an overlay for this property, and I think there's another part of it too. And well, I don't think the city manager mentioned that but there was a discussion that there was a possible exemption that would give the American Legion the right to process this without fees And I think that would be worthy to consider, because the American Legion depends on dues. They have another business there that I'm sure they get money from—the military art program—and then El Pavoai pays something for their building, I'm sure, or their thrift store. But the American Legion runs that on dues from their members, and they have been there probably for over 50 years.
And my understanding is the properties aren't paid off step-free. So it's a mixed-use development, affordable housing, different income levels, commercial existing proposed retail and business. And I understand they will place the priority on veterans to rent their facilities. So when compared to state housing department requirements, it meets all the prime requirements. It's located in the middle of town. You can walk and you have pharmacies and restaurants and grocery stores And so the administrative memo talks about the five sites in the housing element, but they're really not very good sites. The one on Montgomery which we're working on and have been for four years is a quarter of an acre right? And that's going to happen with Habitat.
The other one, another one is the school district and we know what that's all about. And then there's Mr. Becker's one in the old Combs Iron Factory. And then the bowling alley, Mark Whitman has a proposal coming up to the Planning Commission for a restaurant at a recreational pool. Okay? And then there's the one over on Adamson's on Bryan Circle and they're dividing that of some sort.
So I don't think there's, the only real potential right now is that American Legion potential. And in my understanding it's really a great opportunity because it will be mixed. Mixed income, retail, they got Marshall at the back and they're gonna do such things as they're gonna place limits on the parking so that isn't just full of people parking for their apartments
Thank
you.
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One more
time, please. We're gonna limit to three minutes unless the council...
It's fine with me if you can please just stop. 30 more seconds? Okay,
30 seconds.
So they're gonna place with contracts for the people that live there so they'll benefit from one car and maybe get a benefit for a reduction on their rent. So it's a great opportunity and I would like the City Council to support The message to the funding commission to consider it, and also I would like you to consider waiving the fees because they're a non-profit and they don't have a lot of money. Thank you.
Thank You Bill any comments on zoom Gail? No comments on Zoom. Okay we'll move on to discussion
All right. Do you want to start? Can I start?
Well, I think Ryan had his hand up first.
You know what? Let me...I will call on you, remember? Okay. Ryan, you're
first. Thank you. If we decide to move forward with this with no fees it has to go to planning first, correct? Right. I just wanted to make sure that's all.
OK. Bill?
Just as a disclosure, Councilperson Francine and myself met with Nick Otway the other day and we walked the entire site. I like to walk perimeters so I understand completely about it. I was really impressed with the potential of this site. There's no existing housing on it. It's very heavily underutilized. It's across the street from grocery and walking distance to all other kinds of services, and I think it just...I would agree with Mr. Miley this is an absolute wonderful opportunity by having several factors. One, the nature of it in its current state. Number two, it's owned by a non-profit free and clear, with no debt.
And I just think that it makes sense that we indicate an interest because the only way to appropriately do affordable housing is with an SPL overlay zone to get the density but as with everything in Ojai, the design matters. So what I'm leaning towards is that we say yes, we're interested but we're not committed in terms of a formal SBL overlay process until we see Nick Otway's concept review and let that go to planning.
And that given the fact that it's a non-profit and he's doing his pro bono work, and its affordable housing. That we consider a slimmed down concept review process not a full CEQA etc costly thing. And waive the fees for a truly basic concept review in front of the planning commission. To see the design idea, and then we get the Planning Commission feedback.
But we not commit to an SBL overlay zone until we see the concept of where we might be going with this. That's where I'm feeling right now.
As Bill indicated, we walked the property last night around sunset when it cooled off so you could see the wonderful views of the mountains and I was also interested to note that even if we went to two stories it would not block as far as I could tell anybody's view shed. There's no other houses around there in back that would be impacted The people living there would have wonderful views, even if it was two stories.
And I want to express my support for everything that Councilmember Bill said. William...I never know why Rick. It's okay but you deserve the title. My thinking is I'd like to hear from the architect, Nick Oatway whether he needs what he needs as far as he wants to feel confident that we are approving The SBL overlay. Is it enough, based on what you said or would you like something more does he need something more concrete so that they're not wasting their time and I encourage Council to walk the property it's where help of Ojai Thrift Shop was way larger than I had envisioned. And do you want to mention, Bill, the swales and that we walk the perimeter? We spent at least an hour there.
I see great potential in the possibility of at least 40 units, possibly more. And when Nick Oatway says without sweating bullets what he means is truly affordable Housing, you know not the kind of affordable housing where you have to make $70,000 a year right that's the his the priority of the project is to create You know low ink. You don't want you know by saying glowing him It's there's almost like a stigma attached to it So I don't know quite the right wording but I've known Nick Otway firm for many decades and I know his projects are And I think also there's going to be a park, a park area right? You mentioned that last night. So maybe... Can I approach the council? As council?
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Every time anyone who comes
to
us and says affordable
housing our ears perk up.
I'm a hundred percent behind it as far as the terms affordable housing But let's get back and do the nuts and bolts of what we need before we make a decision And that's that's why is as much as we would all say yeah, yeah Yeah The reality is isn't is in the nuts and bolts and what's actually going to be presented to us? I think we need to do that if we waive the fees James. What are we waving?
Oh As I mentioned before for a full the standard process would be $15,000 but I think the idea of a simple concept review with the direction from council not to spend unnecessary staff time on it. We could get that cost down substantially you know spend maybe a couple hours on it would be a few hundred dollars
So I guess I'm going back to if someone else, and again don't take this the wrong way. If someone else approached us and said we're going to do an SPO overlay and we'd like you to waive the fees or give us a streamlined bill. When are we going to do that? We know the applicant or we don't know the applicants. I just want to be clear there. The second thing that kind of perked my ears is when someone said, we're going to waive CEQA requirements. How do we? I'm responding to what I hear. How do we waive that if they're required and are they required at this stage or would they be required at a different stage down the road?
Bill
yeah, I asked the city manager. Oh, I'm
sorry.
Thank you so, I think All the concerns that you're raising are the typical concerns I would have with somebody kind of showing up with the request out of order in the process but I think The process that was laid out a couple minutes ago by Councilmember Wyrick of maybe kind of lowering the expectations of what they're getting. They're not getting the full review, they're not getting the CEQA review or anything at this point until the city sees a design and then at that time the city will decide what it wants to do.
So I think the idea to answer the second part of your question first was not to waive the CEQA requirements, but instead for that first very simple concept review not to go through the whole process and spend the staff time on it.
If I could jump in just to finish the point there. The city can't just waive CEQAs. State law we have to do it. There are exemptions that apply in certain cases that we can assess We can move forward with a concept review on the idea and the design, and not dive deeply into CEQA. Just reserve that for later. The city council could not approve the SPL overlay until CEQA compliance was done but you can defer it. A concept review doesn't trigger CEQAs approval does.
I guess my last question again, this just comes down to procedures for me. If any other person walked in off the street are we going to do a like reduction of fees for anyone in the future coming down the road that wants to do the same type of construction process?
The council the staff response to because we get the request similar requests from time to time is the staff responses There's a standard process to apply for it. There's also a process at in our city where Somebody could then take that proposal to the City Council and the City Council can agendize it so that's That's the process and that's how this item got on the agenda. Our staff response will remain the same if we receive future requests it'll be go through the planning commission you know and they can always go through planning commission or see if they can get two council members to put it on an agenda yeah
I'd like to say something then Ryan, you know, I am all for housing for very low acutely low extremely low income households. I'm also for good government And oh, I recently completed its housing element which applied housing overlays to multiple properties and We are now in compliance with state housing laws. We have a process in place where the applicant can fill out the correct forms and pay a fee if they want to pursue changes in land use designations on one or more properties. I'm uncomfortable deciding on another overlay when the applicant has not turned in an application, The application gives us information that we as decision makers can evaluate well in advance of the meeting.
In addition, at our next council meeting we will be taking action on a proposed development agreement that would authorize housing developments at four different sites. I concur with former Mayor Sue Horgan, who consistently advocated for good government. Following our own rules is good government. Making a major land use decision without requiring the property owner to fill out necessary forms to inform us as to their intentions and just before we decide on four other projects is not good government. So I would like to make a motion that staff contact the applicant and ask them to fill out the correct forms and pay the fee.
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I don't know if we're waiting for a second. I wanted to get my question in and One thing I this is why I asked the question earlier So I just want to kind of reiterate it is that? We put SPL zoning overlays on properties without their consent So that's why I wanted to bring that up. I already knew the answer to the questions I was asking but to make the point that this isn't doing anyone a favor We do this sometimes when they don't want it done, so I'm not saying that I necessarily want to do this tonight I'm gonna propose something else But I want to say that this is not a land use entitlement situation where someone would necessarily come in and ask for a general plan amendment and ask for these other things and It's sometimes imposed on the property without them even wanting it.
And it's a completely different beast than any other type of zoning, because it's a special overlay so it should be handled in a special manner. What I would recommend and I wrote down here something and Mr. Wyrick kind of agreed I don't like in land-use situations, it can be a little concerning if you start making land use approvals for redoing the zoning or overlays without knowing what the project is. It can have unintended consequences. Doesn't mean we're not for it. I love the idea. I've walked that property a million times. I used to go, what was it called? The Cactus Cafe. You guys remember yet? So yeah, been here awhile. I had the poker guys playing in the front was one of my favorite places to eat. There's the karate studio over there, The American Legion by the way get to that pancake breakfast on 4th of July support your local legion is a really great facility and it has a massively setback parking lot.
There's a lot of real positive things with it. However, if it was really dense, it could be a problem being on Ohio Avenue. But there's a lot of things we'd have to look at so that's why I don't want to make it more complicated but what I would say is if this is an option you know we are conditionally approving an SPL overlay Pending the recommendation of the Planning Commission after they review a concept review not for necessarily purposes of commenting on the entire minutiae of the design but more importantly from a more 30,000 foot view so that we can determine whether we want to add it on the SPL overlay and And I think that's question one, because obviously we're not going to have a full design and have everything buttoned up as far as approvals prior to having to figure out the zoning.
But I think we have maybe at least a consensus or at least my opinion is they'd be nice to have something. And Mr. Oatway has never been shy to be able to provide a diagram of what he wants things to look like. I don't want to put any extra work on you, but I know you said you were doing this pro bono. So, you know, I think that we would be very, very respectful of a design that came through and flexible. But I also have to say you're looking at today and by the time this thing gets approved it may be a completely different group of people are up here. We don't know yet So that's one thing that is concerning. But I also don't want to put an SPL overlay on it, have this project fall apart for some reason and then be burdened by a new developer who's trying to use the entitlement process that we can't say no to because it's on the books.
This also, I feel a little differently. This might be something pending some initial review that might be appropriate for a development agreement. I don't know yet but it might be complicated enough that it meets the level where we might want to look at that but even if that was true it still have to go through planning and I think what we need is hey what's the general idea of what we're talking about? What are some densities? What are some you know kind of rough sketches of what we might be seeing And then we can decide on the overlay and then post that, we can ultimately be in a decision process if the project moves forward to approve it or not. That seems like a very appropriate intermediate step and I personally would be happy to do that without any fees especially understanding that the American Legion owns all the property.
That's what I'm reading. I want to make sure that's true And knowing what they provided this community, they're an institution around here. I see them significantly different Council Member Haney than some other applicants and that's why I would feel comfortable waiving some of those fees.
I'll clarify that. I'm just trying to say that it's not necessarily fair to the rest of any developer or anybody coming to planning for something of this nature. That's all I was trying to clarify, was that I am 100% behind it. I believe in this gentleman 100%. And I do understand the American Legion and what they've done for this community for the last 50 years. I just don't want to give this interpretation or this view to anyone else in the city that we treat people differently because they're special.
We either are or we aren't. If this is something that we feel we can do within the parameters of what you say, James, we can do and Matt, you say we can do legally, I'm 100% behind it. One last question. Did I hear 301 by 301? That's only 9000 square feet, am I correct? 90. Or 90000 square feet. 90000 square feet, okay. All right, thank you.
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I believe Council Member Weirich and I brought this forward because we are in a housing crisis. I don't know if you have a gut feeling for how bad it is, I'm living it. This week alone I met at least four long-time Ojai residents who are moving People are moving in droves. We're losing our families, we're losing long-time residents who desperately want to stay here but there is absolutely no housing unless you can afford for it especially like me if you have two dogs unless you have four thousand to ten thousand dollars a month that you can afford So, our motivation is to find a way to move this forward. That's our motivation. I feel this is separate from the four Becker projects. This is a completely different project with in many ways a different goal.
Thank you.
Yes, I understand and that's why I'm asking that the application be filled out so that we can get more information. So, I made a motion anyone second? OK. Bill?
Is it appropriate to make another motion? I'd like to move that we indicate an interest in an SBO overlay zone pending a basic concept review as basic as possible, minimizing staff time with a presentation to Planning Commission and waived fees.
I second that and I think Mr. Elway understand is that clear Nick do you understand where we're okay? That's the important part if you have questions always talk to us. All
in favor
aye
all opposed
You know, I'm struggling with this because of the huge amount of fees that we're waiving. I'm just struggling with it. It just seems like we're giving away $15,000 and I know it's for a good cause but... That's not what he said.
Please avoid the
cross talk. I'll tell you what, I am struggling with it. I am going to go along with this because of what I've heard the city manager say we are going to do. My concern again is that someone else is going to come forward And is going to be told no, go through the process. And we're gonna end up looking not very good up here. That's my fear.
Okay, so you're voting?
I'm with him.
Okay and I'm voting nay so we okay. I
just
want to make sure we're not the only fews were waiting for this concept review whatever happens after that will be a subject would be subject to hold it that was not part of my motion.
And
I'm particularly taking the direction to spend as little staff time as we can on
it.
So we're just
tipping our toe in
the water
You said two or three hours. Okay
all right we will move on to council member reports. Anything to report out?
I'll speak real quick who we had a great mediation today, and we have another day tomorrow So we spent what? Eight hours of today. We ran from Ventura and had enough time to go home get a bite to eat and come to here but we're not gonna we can't talk about the specifics of the of The mediation but I can say that Bill and I as Of today feel very good about the direction that we're heading
Great news. Anyone else? I think
we're gonna have future agenda items separately, right?
Yep next we go to City Manager's report do you want? No no okay I'll wait for the city manager's report. James?
Yes I have a hate to do it but a couple slides with the activities upcoming if anybody watches the replay. Yeah, so just a reminder not that anybody forgot but this week the Independence Day festivities begin. So Sunday people may not realize that Sunday night there's a free concert at the Libby Bowl as the kickoff on Monday there is the Lions Club Breakfast at Chaparral Auditorium from 7 to 10 am. The 9am youth run And 10 a.m.. Parade Which I've seen the chairs out, so I think people are aware of that one and then our 915 fireworks show at Nord off with gates opening at 530 and So so that's the big event coming up between now in the next meeting We have a couple of concerts coming up in around that time frame as well. The Sterling Concert Series continues Saturday, July 9th 7 p.m.
Stephen Percy of RAT and Wednesday, July 13th will have the return of the Wednesday Rotary West concerts and then Saturday the 16th it'll be a Sterling concert from former members of Oingo Boingo It's too late to say that And then oh good
Can you assure the public that we're going to be monitoring the sound as several residents have desperately requested?
Yeah, so I was gonna speak to that. So we are installing some permanent sound monitoring equipment that will be able to give us the readings of the different concerts I will note, I think one challenge is we've had several years without concerts and so we actually did monitor sound at the last concert and it didn't exceed the allowed level. But I do think that because we're seeing so many events that people are noticing it.
The concert before that, we weren't able to have somebody out there to monitor sound so I can't speak to that one. But we're installing the equipment so we'll be able to track it for all of these events. And then what we'll do with that is as we see issues, we'll be able to correct them because we'll have the data and we'll follow up with the Sterling Concert Promoters.
And then last, we're partnering, the city's partnering with the Film Society for a Friday night community film series at The Bowl starting on right now expected to start July 29th. So we wanted to let people know they had started to announce film titles and then made some changes to them so we were going to hold off on announcing the titles but that'll be coming July 29 at The Bowl as well. So lots of activities, I think I'll speak take a minute. I assume this will be a question or future agenda item.
Obviously with a lot of events we are noticing, we said earlier this year that we are noticing a record number of events coming in That hasn't slowed down, we're just seeing more and more events come in. So I think with that in mind and then some of the feedback from this weekend and the different issues related to tour buses etc., we are planning to put a report together and make some recommendations about maybe some limitations or restrictions we can put on some of these things to make sure that they're appropriate for the community.
We're working on that. I think right now it's going to be the meeting in August, because the July meeting is packed. We talked earlier about the development agreement for housing projects. That's on the July 12th agenda. Public hearings that we've already had to put notices in the paper for We have an appeal related to a fire issue. We have the Becker For property development agreement, and we're also working on a couple other High priority projects so the July 12th meeting of the historic resources our Historic Preservation Commission's recommendations and requests that they had asked about a couple meetings ago So we have a pretty full agenda for July 12th, but we'll look at what we can do in the meantime and then we'll bring a full report back on the whole events and tour bus issue at that August meeting.
Thank you James. A lot happening. Wow! And thank you for taking care of that. Bill? And then Ryan?
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When Cynthia and I walked the Lavender Festival, and as we said okay we're bailing on this nonsense. And sought to cross in the middle of the block and found our passage on the crosswalk blocked by a tour bus. I resolved to have us as a future agenda item this is not acceptable. We cannot have Tour buses parking on crosswalks. We cannot have tour buses parking in residential areas.
I don't think we can have Libbey Park booked for the kind of intense use that we saw on Saturday. That is monetizing public land for private benefit and we have every right to regulate the intensity of that use in Libbey Park. It was ridiculously over intense in so many ways. And I would like to see what we can have endorsed by this council for things like, you know, what is your marketing plan? What is your traffic plan? You know, limitations on the intensity of use of Libbey Park and especially things like, you know, don't block crosswalks with tour buses. I mean, we can go on and on and on but I think you get the gist. I think we need regulations on the use of our park to monetize for private profit. We've just got to have limitations on it, we've got to have management and direction and mitigations involved and I really what I saw Saturday was somebody taking a franchise from what used to be a community event and fully monetizing it I don't want to see it anymore.
Yeah, you know there was obviously a lot of community input. I got a couple of calls and ventured into the swamp of Facebook to see all the wonderful things they had to say about our Lavender Festival and you know only Ojai could have a lavender festival and have it turned a mess but the big difference between that and the other events we have in the park is Ojai Avenue's usually closed Right, so 4th of July, Ojai Day those types of things.
I think that's the problem now i'm not saying we should close Ojai Avenue for Lavender Festival saying is that the lavender festival is going to be like that then we've got to consider not having a mess of a space like that I'm not necessarily for including Lavender Festival as one of our holidays where we block the area, but I think that's the inherent problem. We put too many people in the same place, including the cars, people don't understand. Now, I will say I had to go back and forth across town a number of times during it. I took Grand, wasn't the end of the world, but trying to get into places on Ojai Avenue was a mess and I did walk down there and it was chaotic. The other thing is, we obviously want to... I know before anybody shoots me from home.
We do want to promote massive transit options for these events. Tour buses like that are not a horrible thing to bring people in but we've got to figure out the next step is where do they go? I feel a little bit bad for the bus drivers because I don't think they had any idea what they were doing either And I don't necessarily want to wait till August. Now, I know we may have a lot of people who'd want to show up and talk about this but there may be an agenda item that we can do that's an intermediate fix because...I mean, I don' t know, I don't want to get into discussion tonight but I think Park Road or the big parking lot at Park Road, I dunno if those are being parked in during that? If it's empty?
There's the side parking lot along the other side. Those are two places there are property they're away from everybody seems like it would make sense I don't know how hard it would be to say you know for The next event, I don' tknow if there's an event between now and August But I wouldn't want to see that happen again with us not being able to say hey Not a big deal. You just park on Park Road hence the name And then we have kind of an easy, like this shouldn't be that complicated. But I feel a little bad because I don't think the tour buses had any idea what to do either and if we're going to have that many people which we have a whole different debate about that but if they're gonna come in we'd rather they travel in one single unit than a bunch of separate cars but I don''t think it would be problem to say hey can you get over to one spot to park?
And I don't know, do we know if there's any events between July and August? Because I don't want to go on Facebook again if we screw this up.
Yeah, we looked at the end of July. I didn't look past that. I think what I'm hearing and I think maybe the compromise could be we can bring a tour bus management plan to the next meeting. Hopefully we can keep it simple enough where it's just on consent. But you know, and I think if we're managing it, I don' see a whole lot
Well, the other thing I was wondering is even if we can't get because it's a new ordinance. We got to read it twice. I know how that works But maybe we can tell our elite staff at the sheriff's department over here that hey next time this happens Can we just get some guys knock on some windows go? Hey guys, can we get you to park over here if they give we can enforce it maybe but I I don't know what those two are. I can't imagine those tour buses waiting for everybody to come back to the locations they were parked in. They must be getting a call to go to Avenue somewhere. So if they're on Park Road or on Blanche Street where they were, or these other surface areas where they literally took up the whole road, you know? And I think they were trying to park in shade there.
I think there's some shade over. But if they say, hey, we got a spot for you over here at least as an interim solution. Maybe we're trying and then we'll get it fixed when we can.
Yeah, it's where I think the two simple elements of what we try to bring is a simple step would be identifying a place where they can go and places where they can't go. And then looping the Sheriff's Department in to give them the heads up.
And I would add there are opportunities through the urgency ordinance process with the four-fifths vote to set a rule effective at the next meeting and then come back over time with the first and second reading.
I'll say, I don't think we really need an ordinance at this point. I think it's that's pretty simple direction we can get from Council.
The only other question I had sorry but is is it legal? I mean was there any problem with where they were parking? I don't think there's a rule against at this point right? On a crosswalk? Well on a crosswalk yeah but I don' t know about them I'm thinking more of the ones that were in the neighborhood
From what I have heard of what occurred, the only laws that were violated with a crosswalk parking. There are no current rules prohibiting tour buses parking in residential streets. That can be changed and that's not on tonight's agenda.
Randy is next and then Sousa.
So before this becomes a discussion item, Matt, I thought that's what you were going to chime in with. We're going a little overboard here but it seems to me two things first when we set up the Sterling Venture contract the Libby Bowl committee actually spent the first year reviewing all of the noise levels coming out of the bowl And it was interesting, there was no noise coming out of the backside of it. Very little on the side. It was the projection coming out the front that was a problem.
The neighbors on the sides of it loved it. Again, the people behind it couldn't hear it and I could hear it up at my house so I kind of enjoyed it but it was far away. So we had done studies on that and really wasn't an impact. What I think the impact is the fact we had nothing for two years. The second thing is when we developed that, we developed a master plan of events for the community. And I'm not sure if that master plan has been kept up but I know Sterling, I think our contract with them is either 20 or 21 concerts a year and I think there's a little give and take with maybe two or three more negotiated with you.
That still leaves, you know 30-40 weeks out of the year and it just seems like what we're doing right now is just stuffing this community with events. Even the three that you listed up there that are probably appropriate because they're community driven It's just three more events that if we've stuffed into the bowl or stuffed into a park So I'm thinking that you actually need to go back to the master calendar. And I think before we look at any more events, any future events, that we actually start counting how many are we having in a week because as much as I like a lot of these events, we're really having an adverse impact on the community.
And that's all I heard. Can you believe this? And when I drove through at 11 o'clock, I drove right through it and went right to my house. It was a Zuly 11 and there was no reason to be around it. But again, we have...it says here Bill said something about not a right for the park or something. I'm just misquoting you but it's not about the right, it's about the responsibility that we have in that we've got to manage these resources When you look at what the Lavender Festival did to all of the grounds adjacent to all those oaks that are in that park.
If that's not a consideration to anyone that is pitching a tent in that facility, then we've done something wrong about our responsibility of managing our heritage oaks on this community. So I think it's important we recognize that.
Susan? Yeah, I strongly concur with the comments from my three colleagues on the council. Thank you. Strongly concur and a couple of questions You know we have a sign now at the bottom of North at the upper part of North signal It says no buses past this point so we don't we can legally if it becomes necessary have signs That said no buses in parking in residential neighborhoods, is that correct?
Yes. With the right signage in place the city can set limits that prohibit tour bus parking in certain locations but it's noted that's not being decided tonight
No, just a question. But also isn't idling against the law that's polluting and annoying? Okay so it's up to the police or people I mean sometimes-
It's
not illegal. You
can park your car and idle it that is not illegal.
The
wisdom of it is another question but the laws it's not illegal
Okay, so those are all part of the things we're going to discuss in the future. It is true that a bus can keep 50 cars from entering the city. So it seems like you can do something without council Consent to prevent this and okay. My question is did we know it who knew ahead of time that? Some people say 11 tour buses Did anyone know this that the event organizers know this ahead of time that they market where did these how do these buses get here?
That's information we don't yet have. Staff can develop it and come back to the next meeting with that information. We don't yet know that, so I think we have direction to put this on the next agenda for a discussion.
Who knew what and when Matt?
Yeah if I can speak real quick though to the Lavender Festival in particular. It was always a non-profit event and it was not intended to be this giant commercial event This year they changed management, and we get a very simple application. And particularly when it's a non-profit, it's a low fee because we encourage nonprofit events. I think we're going to have to look at this closer next year and see if this is the type of event that we encourage really at this
point. Well, I look forward to talking about this in the future. Thank you for looking into it James and Matt. With that thank you all for your participation and expertise and we are adjourned.
Microphone. I just want to thank you whoever said that to me. We did the Reach Codes and I know it doesn't make everyone happy, and I understand that. We need to address Reach Codes in the elements of this community where the majority of our construction takes place on. And what I'd like to do is obviously July 12th is packed so let's think of a different time to bring it back if I get a second But I'd like for the ad hoc committee of Ryan and myself and and Steven and Tim Tim or Justin, I'm sorry just to reconvene a reach to and actually start addressing the The construction practices are remodels in the valley or in the city and how we can actually address Generate some additional reach codes that Will allow community members to be a part of that discussion and a part of how we're going to develop those That second level of reach codes.
So we started out in reach one I'll call it with the top down and I'm thinking the ad hoc committee needs to address how we can do a bottom-up Sent away from when I was looking how to do this. Here's a Climate ready communities book that I sent away for I'm gonna set this up for the committee but what it does is actually tells you how to how to develop a sustainable community and More importantly, it actually tells you how you can address The reduction of fossil fuels and enhance renewables in your community when you're developing a sustainable community So this might be part of our guideline, might be part of it. But if Ryan you'd like to second it and you'd like to continue on this adventure I think it's important that we do it.
Yeah, I don't really know what I'm seconding. I don't think we're putting an exact date on but I'm happy to keep discussing it I do the only caveat I have is I want to get some data back I want to get feedback from the applicants in this process So we can then you know Like anything take our data and amend our policies appropriately because I don' know if we're ready I don''t know. I don ''t know if we'll have enough information But I'm happy to meet whenever you want as the ad hoc committee
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Well, what I'm looking at is if we meet as a committee and we create some type of format and then we create another body of community members. I don't want to get too deep into the weeds tonight but If you really want to change and you really want to grow in your community, you've got to get community buy-in. And we didn't get buy-in on the last REACH codes because it was top down.
As good and as much as we needed it, it's not what we need at this level. We need the community know what are the advantages and disadvantages of changing. What are the costs associated to change? You know, there's a number of questions that have to be answered by community members because when I find out that it's good for me, I'm going to reach over and say it's good for you.
Right now we don't have that. What we have right now is we're told it's good for you. We need the opposite. We need the community saying it's
Okay, well I would definitely disagree because all the data is out there on climate change Anyway, so that's a future agenda for the two. I don't know what you're disagreeing
with As far as not having community buy-in I know we can't discuss this but you just did no and we had tons of community maybe 50 comments in support and
Okay, I'm gonna cut this off and then we're gonna go ahead and adjourn. Thank you all so much.