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And we're going to be reporting out from closed session. Mr. City Attorney, anything to report out?
Yes, thank you Madam Mayor. The City Council met in closed session to consider several items in district litigation related to proposed development projects at 312 West Aliso Street, 412 Mallory Way, 107 North Ventura Street, 304 South Montgomery Street and 510 East Ojai Avenue. Also to consider existing litigation Simply Ojai v. City of Ojai and existing litigation Ojai Bungalows LP v. City of Ojai. The council provided direction from staff and council and has reached a tentative settlement agreement which the council, I will present in the open session for open session consideration and approval as part of item number one regarding the retroactive time extension request for the cottages project 312 West Aliso and the Mallory Way bungalows project and the other three addresses as listed.
So they, the settlement agreement reached in tentative form will be discussed in open session momentarily and no final approval was made. Final approval will be in open session thank you.
Thank you, Matt. All right, we will adjourn closed session. We will open session and welcome everyone to the OI City Council special meeting December 18th of 2023. Can we have a quorum? Could we have the roll call please Wesson?
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Thank You Weston and is there a motion to approve the agenda
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move to approve. I'll second it, thank you. Okay all right well we will move on to a discussion there's only one item and we'll take
public comment after Right after I introduce it. It's item number one consideration of a retroactive time extension for design review permit For several development projects mr.. City attorney anything
yes, I have a brief staff report then we'll take public comment so the council is going to be considering Two retroactive time extensions, one for the Cottage Among the Flowers project which would extend a prior set of approvals that date back to 2007 with several extensions through the years most recently considered by the Planning Commission in 2019. The project consists of 10 units.
There are eight existing units at the cottages those eight would be rehabilitated and two more units would be built. The proposal is to extend Existing or past permits for further validity period second the Mallory Way bungalows project also Considered previously approved back in 2012 extensions through the years per state law last considered by the Planning Commission in 2019 Which extension was recommended both of those 2019 Planning Commission approvals were One was called up for review. The other was appealed to the City Council and The City Council in 2019 directed staff to work with the developer on a development agreement solution to those two projects and the other projects. That resulted in a development agreement that was approved by the City Council about a year ago, that was subjected to referendum Then the developer withdrew the referendum and withdrew the request for the project in August of this year, August of 23.
So the council has now set the underlying extension applications for consideration and as noted we're very pleased to report that we've reached tentative agreement on a settlement that will take care of all of the projects and result in significant new de-restricted affordable housing for the city. So I'll walk through that agreement, we are finalizing the text as i speak it covers four projects and I'll in part summarize the cottages project the 10 units would be extended and two more 55-year deed restricted affordable units would be added, one very low income and one low income.
The Montgomery that's at Cottage is at 312 West Aliso Street. The Montgomery project at 304 South Montgomery would be built with 15 new units, 12 moderate income, 55 year deed restriction and three low income, 55 year deed restriction 510 East Ojai, which was not in the development agreement is added now would be 13 units of which two very low income 55 year deed restriction. Two low-income 55 year deed restriction and one moderate income 55 year deed restriction. And then one too very low too low one moderate income for 510 East Ojai all 55 year deed restrictions and then for the Mallory project All 25 existing bungalows would be preserved and rehabilitated, not demolished. Four of them could be moved on site but still preserved.
And the rehabilitation would occur only as the existing tenants move out or are offered a unit that meets their existing rent level in another of the projects. The same tenant protection will be provided for cottages, no existing tenant would be required to move out involuntarily unless there is another unit at their current rent level in one of the other projects. So it protects all existing tenants at cottages and Mallory And then their rental unit they move into would be the same rent they pay now. and then subjected to the city's Rent Stabilization Ordinance limiting increases thereafter.
Mallory would have 10 deed-restricted affordable units, five very low income for 55 years and five moderate income for 55 years. All of the units at Mallory would have to be 500 to 600 square feet in size so small equivalent to the size that is there now with similar design materials and character maintaining the current sort of rule Bungalows type character with the oak trees that exist now preserved to the maximum extent possible We don't have a precise number of oak trees to be preserved because the site plan is not developed yet but that'll be worked through with staff and a maximum of two stories All of that is in contrast to what would be allowed if we did not have a settlement agreement If we did not have a settlement agreement Mallory would be The same 10 affordable but 48 market rate.
All of the bungalows could be knocked down and demolished, and it could be three or four stories or even higher by state law without any of the preservation for size in the existing character and without any of the tenant protections subject to state law first tenant protections for those who are truly low income or lower income. The cottages project would be 10 plus 280 U's was zero affordable units.
Montgomery would be one low income and one moderate income instead of three low and 12 moderate, so 13 more market rate units and 510 East Ojai that would be the same. In total the settlement as reached provides for 65 new units 63 new units of which 31 are affordable units, 18 moderate income 55 year de-destruction. Six low income, 55 year de-destruction. Seven very low income, 55 year de-destruction and 25 of the existing Mallory Way bungalows preserved for rehabilitation as tenants leave or are offered an alternative unit at their rent level at one of the other sites so only truly 42 new market rate units All of the Mallory Way bungalows units kept at the 506 square foot size, no three stories. The other piece is that all of this is in return for putting on the table and allowing the developer to take advantage of an unapproved right-of-way adjacent to the Mallory Way bungalows.
That unapproved right-of way is about 50 feet wide that would be a lot would be Conveyed to the developer after compliance with the Surplus Land Act and the street right-of-way vacation laws, and would allow the low spread out character to be maintained. The developer would be required to build a dirt or decomposed granite trail in maintaining the unimproved trail that exists in that right of way now And last piece on the tenant protections, again to emphasize all existing tenants at Cottages and Mallory would not have to move out as units rehabilitated unless they are offered a unit at one of the other projects that matches their current rent level. Not income level, the current rent level which would then be subject to the Rent Stabilization Ordinance and generally capping it at 4% per year in increases or state law whichever is lower.
A $2,000 up to $2000 moving allowance for tenants as they are required to move last. The developer will apply for the landmark status for the Mallory Bungalows once that project goes through Paired with Mills Act status, which would allow for their continued preservation even if this developer sells to a new developer. The landmark status would serve to preserve the Mallory bungalows and last there's an agreed upon above the city's ordinance requirement for local preference for local Ojai residents to be first preference for tenants in any of the projects, any of these units And the World University site is not a part as that the developer is in consultations with another developer to sell that separately. So the four sites are cottages among the flowers, Mallory Way bungalows, Montgomery Street affordable housing and 510 East Ojai with a net of 31 new 55 year D restricted affordable units.
Oh, and lastly, the Lastly, the project together with the Cabrillo Project as approved last week would meet the city's RHNA in full. RHNA is the Regional Housing Needs Allocation. It's a state requirement that the city zone for a certain amount of affordable housing. Our requirement is to zone over the next eight years and eventually build or convince developers to build 13 very low-income units 9 low income 10 moderate income and 21 above moderate. And with the Cabrillo project plus this project, we've met that with 15 very low-income units, 47 low-income units, 18 moderate income units, and then 43 standard above moderate units plus the 25 smaller preserved Mallory Way bungalows.
Staff's available for any questions. The mechanics of this would be to approve the time extension for the cottages, for those 10 units subject to the settlement agreement being executed. If the settlement agreement is not executed, the approval is void and to take no action on the Mallory Way time extension because their developer will apply for a different project, for the modified project as modified through the settlement agreement and then to approve the settlement agreement.
And we have resolutions prepared to that effect that will pass out now.
Thanks, thank you Matt. Thank you Sonny
We're available for any questions and I must know must give a great thanks to my colleague Sonny Sultani with the law firm Elsh and winter managing partner right? Managing partner there and A very great help as the city's special housing council to bring this deal to fruition Thank You counsel
you two make a great team. Thank you so much. Thank you Any questions from Council? Nope, okay. We'll go ahead and move on to public comment First we have Tara Jeffrey then Anita Hendricks and then Bill Miley And just a reminder, if we could keep quiet while our people are talking. Thank
you. I'm sorry, I'm a little shell-shocked so I'm gonna refrain from making a comment right now. Good work but I need to digest all this it's a lot of change so thank you
Thank you, Tara. Next we have Anita Hendricks then Bill Miley and then Tom Francis.
Everything was so quickly presented that I really couldn't get all of the changes. My impression was is if the I'm going to go back to where I was before all of this because I'm a little overwhelmed with it. But if they were allowed to use expired permits, the California impact would require there would be no CEQA requirement and the housing element to displace low-income housing for that people who move would not be in effect. That's the 2013.
I don't know enough about this. I'm really not clear Did you guys is this an agreement that was presented by the attorneys of the city and the attorneys from? Vector, is that what this is that you have here and they would do it if it is passed Okay. I Have a problem with We talk about moderate health income income moderate income for Is 146,700 according to the county or for one person or for our in our housing element there was a mention of 86,450 for one person.
Now I don't know if the people in the cottages amongst the flowers can afford that. The, I really think that we need to expand very low extremely low because what happens is when we talk about moderate income or affordable housing includes moderate income which means the only thing that isn't included is market rate so when you're doing moderate income It is pretty high compared to what most, what we consider low extremely low. Extremely low is $43,000 a year. Very low is $71,750 or in our housing element Extremely low is twenty seven thousand nine hundred in the project that was proposed over that new project a Couple would have to both work full-time To be able to afford a studio over there and they still Would not have enough money to afford it.
So when we talk about moderate income, there's a whole strata of low and extremely low that cannot afford affordable housing. We need to focus on that, it's too easy to take that group and serve as a large group. What you're saying, what you've came up with I don't fully understand, it's kind of all new to me and hitting me. It has an appealing sound to it but it's hard for me to really grok it in such a short... You know all the sudden here it is, well I really don't have time to digest it so yeah.
The historic, I'm just concerned is there any slipperiness to this? Could you all approve it and then somehow or other there could be some maneuvers that would extract.
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That would be... Thank you Anita.
Next we have Bill Miley then Tom Francis and then Carolyn Goldwasser.
And please mute microphones when not in use.
Good evening. Wow, what a change! My first sentence of my own message was this administrative memo is confusing. Now the new one is interesting but boy I had trouble writing everything down when we got to Mallory Way when Matthew was doing this. So, it seems to me that the request for a design review extension has been withdrawn. Is that right?
I can answer questions if the council would like. So no, it is not withdrawn for cottages. It would be withdrawn for Mallory and modified project from Mallory. But cottages would be extended plus two more very low-income unit on top.
What I have here is actually irrelevant. This is the key changes, I see. There's no World University in this. Is that right?
Yes, World University has taken out.
Okay. The bungalows are being saved. They're going to be under historic preservation. The tenants would not be evicted. They would basically guaranteed a spot And I heard something like equivalent to the rent they're paying now. I don't know how long though. The water requirement, and I know there were comments that went to the City Council in email and it's listed in comments on the agenda What is missing here is that they have allocations now for 25 at Mallory and 10 at the cottages, so they only need a few more. And that needs to be considered when there's the issue of how much new water they're going to use.
Another key issue which never gets included because it could be, but it's not. There is no outside money coming into this project or these projects. Development Corporation has probably over $35 million coming from the state of California through tax and bonds. The Becker Project has none, it's all based on what they are gonna get from their rent? They don't talk about that.
One key factor was mentioned in one of the comments that are on your agenda is the income survey. The original income survey was done in 2019, a new survey by somebody was done in 2022. I basically support this... Thank you Bill. I think that the City of Ojai will benefit if they can work something out.
Thank you Bill, time's up. Next we have Tom Francis then Carolyn Goldwasser and then Teal Rowe
I can address that now at the council
like briefly before mr. Francis speaks The deal is proposed Does not require the city to know the details of the incomes of the tenants Because all existing tenants would be entitled to keep their current rent for as long as is allowed under the state law and the city's ordinances So what that means is they stay in their unit at cottages or at Mallory until it's time for the developer who wants to rehab their unit can only do so if they offer them another unit at one of the other sites, whether cottages and other part of cottages are Mallory or Montgomery. One of the other sites at the same rent that they're currently paying And then increases thereafter only as allowed under the Rent Stabilization Ordinance and the State Tenant Protection Act.
So this structure allows a city to not have to get into the business of trying to understand what their incomes are because it's covered through capping their current rent. The side effect that benefits that is that for tenants whose income may be uncertain, or perhaps they're a moderate-income person and not a very low-income or low-income person They would still be able to keep whatever rent they have now.
So it would keep all current rents either at that unit or another unit somewhere in the project, provided they meet the terms of the lease. Obviously if you don't pay your rent then that's different.
Yeah thank you I think that's a great clarification thank you
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Thank You mayor and council members for your service tonight I guess have a couple of questions to start with because I'm you know, I had comments prepared which some of which may no longer apply that So one question is how many units total with all the projects second question is how many of those units are market rate?
So 98 total units 63 new units, 98 counting the existing units. 63 new units, 31 of those affordable. Can you just tell me the market rate number? The market rate number is 42 truly market rate plus the 25 Mallory Way bungalows rehabilitation.
So that's 67 market rate units? Stop the clock while we're doing math here James, can you stop the clock and start
it again at 2 minutes 30 seconds? Like an NFL
game
Is the question how many new market rate units
there's 98 units total in the total project, right? Yeah The net effect will be 98 units totals all said and done 98 units, right? How many are market rate out of the 98 42 40 to 42 fully unrestricted market rate units. Okay, and then start the clock again that you were mentioning is what
I 25 Mallory Way bungalows units will be having that the tenant protection I just described for the current tenants. Okay
and then they go to market rate after the tenant moves? Correct. So eventually we end up with 67 market-rate units
42 market rate units in the 25 protected with the current tenants.
But once the tenants leave do they roll over to market rate or do they stay at that rent or what? They'll be whatever the market rate is at that time okay function so eventually account that there are all these people are gonna pass on so eventually it becomes a 67 market rate unit
I'm sorry, I have to clarify this. I'm Sunny Soltani. I am the special housing council. Thank you. Yes, yes. So there's gonna be 63 new units out of the 63 new units 31 are committed affordable so 63 minus 31 equals there is 32 Market rate units that are new market rate units that are coming is that
32 new market rate units.
Yes,
I don't really care if they're new or old. I just want to know how many market rate
Because is that right
because the difference is the cottages 10 existing market rate units that's the difference
No, he's not he's asking
out of the total So yeah, so is it 42
42 truly market rate units plus the 25. Eventually when people move, pass on or whatever they do so it's 67 ultimate result some years from now is 67 market rate units
at whichever time the tenants have all left Mallory right Versus 81 market rate units if there's no deal. That's a key comparison.
Okay, so I had some comments prepared. I think I'm still gonna read them because even if it's just for future process purposes maybe they'll apply, I don't know. So considering that there were multiple city hearings where hundreds of community members expressed opposition to four of these projects and that there was a successful referendum petition process. It is disappointing to many in the community that the council apparently has directed staff to engage in settlement negotiations with the developers without offering the community a chance to weigh-in on the pros and cons of doing so, or at a minimum, at least disclosing that this was going to occur.
Some in our community that lived through the Somis Fire are concerned about our ability to safely evacuate during the next fire or other natural disaster should many residents and workers need to exit our valley quickly. The council just approved a 50-unit low and very low income housing project brought forward by nonprofit housing experts Cabrillo Economic Development Corporation.
I applaud the council for supporting a project that includes homes with rents that are all within reach of regular working and retired people. I'm concerned that approving several additional housing developments absent thorough study of our valley's disaster evacuation infrastructure could increase risk of injury or death during a fire or other natural disaster due to overcrowding and gridlock of evacuation routes.
The public was not made aware of any substantial activity on these proposed projects until last Friday evening. It is unreasonable for the council to expect community members to be able to review and prepare comments on five projects over a period of three days, two of which are on a weekend during the holidays. In an effort to allow members of the public adequate time to review the information provided and enough lead time to schedule time in their calendars to attend Council meetings, I respectfully request that Council not take any further action on any of these proposed projects until the latter half of January. I also request that Council direct staff to seize settlement negotiations until the public has a right to define on how much staff resources should be invested into settlement negotiations versus potential legal avenues to deny one or more of the projects.
In addition, please allow adequate time between each hearing for community members to thoroughly review each proposal. So I'm a little confused. Are you guys actually approving this tonight?
Excuse me, I think time is up. Mr. City Attorney could you answer that question will be answered councilman rule. I got it. Do you want to answer that question?
Yes,
the whole Council
not you yeah If the council is comfortable with it, the council would be approving a processing agreement which is the settlement agreement. It would provide for future appropriate process to review the site plan for the revised modified Mallory project along with his final site plans for Montgomery and 510 East Ojai. So there'd be a future process on the site plan and it reserves discretion to the council at that teacher point. Mindful, however, there are provisions if the council were not to approve the projects then they'd be able to pursue under the default state law projects.
Thank you Matt. Okay next we have Carolyn Goldwasser and then Teal Rowe and then Anita Cram.
Hello, my name is Carolyn Goldwasser and I live at 302 North Signal Street at the corner of Aliso. I have walked by these projects, most of them, at least Mallory Way and Cottage of the Flowers. And what I would like to speak about is the environmental impacts of some of these things On the earth, the trees, the birds that live in the trees and the squirrels and the raccoons and all of the wildlife and whatnot. Also the water that runs down the roots of the grown trees. It takes decades for trees to get to be big. And they have extensive root systems and when it does rain, the water runs down the roots and replenishes the aquifer and helps the understory Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Four foot boxes, trees with four foot boxes. This is pretty big roots but it's nothing like the roots of a grown tree. It takes a long time for even a big tree in a big box to get big so this is something that I would urge you to work on with these people, the trees, the tree issue and the other thing about environment is that when you offer somebody living in the cottages Another place at one of these other places, in equal rent. That is a different environment. They don't know their neighbors.
If they don't have a car, walking to the library is no longer a real good option. If you live at Aliso right now, Cottages for the Flowers, if you're able to walk The library is two blocks away and Westridge is two blocks away. But if you're then transferred over to somewhere else, one of these other sites like Mallory Way which is pretty far away from Westridge or shopping or whatever, if you don't have a car this is another environmental impact. The goal I would think for the future is to have more people walking, bicycling, pedestrian friendly Thank you very much.
All that stuff, it's important to be aware and consider this. And it sounded like there's some leeway for the future to be the site plan and things like that, to be talking to people who are doing the rebuilding or whatever, that this is environment. It's important to our beautiful city. Thank you.
Thank you Carolyn. Next we have Teal Rowe then Anita Cram and then Sabrina Venskis.
Good evening Council and staff. Love the rehab of Mallory Way, it's great! And I'm really that all of this is way, way, way over my head. And I really wonder what happened with the referendum and the there's like there's a switch thing that goes on and I know it's the deal and the way it's going on. But the referendum Every signature on that referendum has value and the accountability to those signatures.
I would appreciate somebody to speak to that, to let everybody know what's going on because it's very complicated I'm with Tom Francis with the evacuation parts of especially on the heels of the 50 units at Cabrillo. It's like, OK when we're coughing in our cars waiting to get out of the valley this will be thought of in my mind. I'm also agreeing with Carolyn talking about the CEQA issues and Also, I'd like to add about the EMFs on the Montgomery site that it seems like that would be just unbelievable to live next to that electrical company whatever it is and Yeah, that's the end of my comment and thank you. I know it's a lot, I don't even know what to say so thank you for your service and it's just, I don't even know what to say thanks.
Thank You Teal next we have Anita Cram then Sabrina Venskas and then Nora Harold.
Well I thank you all for your negotiations and some improvements I'm angry right now I'm really angry that you sat in that room for an hour. We all set out here, then you come out and you drop this big plan on us that we have no way to be able to interpret it. And you're set to vote on it tonight? Okay so I'm going on here. With what I had prepared in a pissed mood. So page two of the staff report tonight says, open quote, the project applicant intends to keep the exterior cottages among the flowers. Exterior of existing dwelling units unchanged except for some paint and necessary minor repairs. A falsification that went all the way back to October of 2022. So what? Are they not tearing down walls anymore on cottages? We have no clue. Community doesn't know what's going on after you guys have done all those closed-door negotiations, and we're expected to listen to a 20 minute verbal report?
Don't vote on it tonight. I'm pissed! I'm telling you right now. What about CEQA? What about the wildlife corridor status of cottages among the flowers? What about endangered, threatened, sensitive species? I have casual observations of a lot of wildlife that occurs there. So we're just throwing all that out the window? We're throwing our integrity as a community out the window? How can you do this to us? You know, I can't even read my notes. So okay, are they freezing our rent at what it is right now? Is that what you're saying? You know I live at the cottages. They're separate partials. That developer can raise our rent 10% each year, force us all out by raising the rent too much and then it's moot on us needing replacement housing. I'm walking away.
You guys, I am so disappointed in this You need to put this all out in documentation, write it out. Let the community review what is happening before you approve it. That's malpractice if you do not.
Thank you Anita. Next we have Sabrina Venskis then Nora Harold and then Madeline I'm
not sure, H. Hi, Sabrina Venskis representing Simply Ojai tonight. Anita's a friend of mine but I'm gonna change the tone just a little bit. Wow what a difference a council makes! I mean the last council said that was the best deal they could get this is like phenomenally better and I think I just want to say thank you to the team here. I think it takes a team it takes a village So thank you, I think it's on the right path. I don't think that it is necessarily the final and we have a lot of questions. I do as an attorney on behalf of my client Simply Ojai I think that I'm a little confused about the claim that Mallory cottages could be demolished because my understanding is under the law, that's not the case and that they could do buy right 48 market or 48 units.
So I have some questions and as a land use and environmental attorney, I'd like the ability to evaluate and analyze this. I would like to see a project that simply Ojai could support But we just don't know. And so again, it sounds really good and I really appreciate the work that's been put into it. I understand some of the community members' frustration with not being brought into the fold a little bit sooner and to understand what the terms are but certainly this has been, this is a great team they're getting miles better than what that former council got So, thank you. The request is on behalf of Simply Ojai that you don't approve any settlement agreement tonight.
Let's take a look. Devil's in the details and I think that if it's a really good deal, the community can get behind it And so I think this is a great opportunity to bring the community together to support a project that everybody agrees to and everybody likes. It sounds like you're pretty close to that, thank you.
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Thank You Sabrina next we have Nora Harold then Madeline H and then Spencer Aston
Hi everyone. Nora Harold, Miners Oaks. First I really want to thank you all for getting so much more than what had been gotten before. Like what a negotiation! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for making affordable housing for people who really need it a priority. Thank you. This does seem very fast, right? I tried to keep track of all of the information that Matthew gave and it was hard to keep up because but I think it's all fast. It's very fast for you all as well correct this is all this happened tonight yes in that closed session so If it does not negatively affect the community in any way, to hold a vote.
Please hold so there can be full community response, more questions, better understanding. that would be my one request, if it can be done. But I don't know if you are able to do that. It seemed to me like this was a hard line. So I guess I'm also speaking to the other lawyer on the other side who is also a part of this community because these buildings are in this community and the community needs to get on board So to the Becker lawyers, it behooves you to have the community support.
It behooves you to have the community support so if you can agree To put a pin in this come back to it in January and have your vote at that point I think the entire community will benefit Thank you
Thank you, Nora. Next we have Madeline. Hi. Spencer Aston then and
Paul Magoulas. Just in lieu of the new information I'm not going to speak too much this evening but would greatly appreciate if we didn't come to final approval on anything this evening give the community time to process and vote on this.
Okay, thank you. Next we have Spencer Aston then Paul Magoulas and then what? Oh I'm sorry Spencer. Oops never mind. We have Paul and then we have Mirto Karamitsu and then Scott McKendry.
Hi Paul!
So well, congratulations on moving together. That is amazing. Feels like there's some new energy here. But we don't want to go too fast. We don't want to make mistakes. I don't know how many hours it took you to bring this plan together, but how much was it? A lot of hours?
Yeah, a lot. Many, many
weeks. Congratulations. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. That's amazing. Well, let's see it. Let's see all the work you've done. Let's not just race through and Commit to it so fast. Yeah, I'm sure it's amazing work but yeah the devil is in the details right and We do need to find those little things Which can make a difference? To everyone the low-income people the builders Everyone the community So yeah, that's not Russia
Thank you, Paul. Next we have Mitra Karamitsu, then Scott McKendry and then Julia Weissman.
Hi, congratulations for all the work you're doing and thank you. I feel the same thing. I mean, I wasn't expecting all this new information. Microphone please. Before I can clearly say that I support this or not, I need more time. I think it would be a rush for this. City Council members to vote right away. Thank you.
Madam
Mayor,
may I just before we get any more comments about rushing this? I think it's really important for your community to understand that there is a new state oh sorry it's on Oh, sorry. Is this better? I'm usually being told I'm too loud and I need to tone it down so thank you. I think it's really important for the community to understand why coming up with the constructs of the settlement agreement before the end of the year is a critical component to the council members And I think the community needs to understand that there is a new legislation that takes effect January 1st That would allow the developer as a matter of right under density bonus laws to come in file an application on Mallory, that would give them up to 58 new units that would allow them to go up to three to four stories.
That would allow them to, as long as they have a replacement place for or replacement rental unit for the current residents it would allow them to knock down the bungalows and rebuild it like an apartment complex or anything like that. They could cut down all of the oak trees, and they could have a very irresponsible development that would not be consistent with this community and the beautiful city that you have.
I believe it's critical for them to understand that the council has tried very hard to bring the developer to the table, to have the developer give the community a responsible development. And they pushed hard to get these beautiful units earmarked as a landmark which developer has now agreed to which is something Is our understanding that that was a critical component to the community. So the reason, and there's been hours and hours of meetings and discussions and back-and-forth. And the developers lawyers are here buyers remorse by the developer at some point. And then coming back to the table and trying to do the responsible thing. There's been a lot of back and forth, but it's really important for your residents to understand the reason it's happening quickly.
And tonight if it's continued, it could jeopardize a deal that saves the bungalows and saves the nature and the feel of this beautiful development that then you lose the opportunity to have it be a historic landmark and all of the tenant protections So I just wanted to clarify that because I think it's really important, because the council actually talked about having workshops and having everybody participate. And the timing doesn't allow for that right now. However, there is going to be each parts of these developments, the components of the settlement, there is going to be further hearings and there is going to be an opportunity for everybody to see it. I will make myself personally available for anybody that wants to come and sit down with me and review the settlement agreement.
This is a solid settlement agreement that protects your community, protects the nature of what's being presented, and I would not advise the client to lose that opportunity because what can happen January 1st, trust me, I don't think the residents are gonna like it. So I just want to clarify that and I want to commit to all of you if anybody wants to come meet with me. I have a copy of the settlement agreement that we're trying to finalize because again this council is so careful that they wanted to add a last-minute I'm here today to talk about the landmark.
I'm available to meet with anybody, go over the terms of the settlement agreement, answer any questions. And so I wanted to offer that. I can meet you after the meeting, give my phone number to you and we can take it from there. Okay. Sorry. I
thought that was important. Thank you, Sunny. Next we have Scott McKendry then Julia Weissman and then Maddie Gadsloy. Hello all. Before
you start my time though can I ask for a clarification about what it is about January 1st the changes in the law?
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It's really unfortunate. So before I tell you that, I just want to say my law firm is one of the biggest advocates to preserve local control over these housing issues. We are the law firm that brought the coalition of the cities that filed SB 9 lawsuit challenge against the state of California which I think we're about to prevail on the judge ticket under submission for three months and They have actually continued it and asked for more briefing from the state on these issues. And the lawsuit was about the irresponsible way the state is handling these housing laws. If the goal is affordable housing, then their stated objectives in all of their legislative history says we want to preserve affordable housing, then your laws should be clear and mandate that.
However, unfortunately for all of us not just your community my community is affected too. They just passed these laws in a wholesale fashion without looking at the needs of local control and so the new law that they have just passed that's going to take effect January 1 will allow density bonuses that applicable to the Mallory project could give them 58 new units There's no restriction on height. It could go up to three to four stories, as long as yes they still have to comply with providing replacing affordable units that they're getting rid of but they could replace those in In any way or fashion they would want in their new project it wouldn't have to be in a way of preserving the bungalows and keeping them as a historic site.
You know, it's a wholesale approach the state is taking. They just want the numbers. That's all they care about. So the fact that through extensive negotiations, the council has gotten the developer to come to this realization that they want to do a development that's responsible for the community and they're willing to make the concessions that they're making and they're giving up a lot of their states rights under this settlement agreement to bring it together I think the council needs to be congratulated for their hard work and putting their heart and soul into this. And for everyone that's saying, did the referendum mean nothing? Yeah, the referendum meant a lot. This is a much better deal than the development agreement was, and you're preserving the character and nature of your community.
So kudos to anybody that did that because obviously it was heard by the developer too. The developer came to the table and gave up a lot to get this deal going.
Okay, thank you. That was somewhat of an answer and a lot of more time than I'll get to say what I wanted to but thank you Thank you And thanks for you know everybody putting in your time right here before Christmas on a Monday We got this notification at what the end of Friday? I didn't know about till yesterday that it wasn't a Tuesday meeting like it should be typically so the The community is more aware.
I think the community should still have time to weigh in and something else changes in January 1st, and it doesn't apply to me probably most of the people in the room. What do you call that? The minimum wage goes up to 16 whole dollars an hour before taxes. Now if you work 40 hours a week 50 weeks a year that brings you up to about 30-35 thousand after taxes I can't say exactly You know, those are numbers that are real for the young that are in this community that are going to need a place to live when they move out of their homes.
I know a lot of the older folks that live in the cottages. A lot of them are on fixed income, no-income checks that barely keep them going. The landlord that we're calling the developer is selectively ignoring maintenance on the structures, myself included rent. I've worked in historic restoration since way too long. I suffer a little mesothelioma. I have a lot of anger about some of the lack of care about certain things when it comes to the industries that are modern construction as well.
And what we're talking about is a watershed where there's a huge amount of wildlife, seasonal migratory birds that need places to go that have chosen to come through that area and I'm an avid advocate for animals even though I work in a toxic industry. I think that what has been done in the Arbolada is amazing I worked to help restore the riding club compound for the owners that Edward Libby had designed by Wallace Neff back in the early 20s with asbestos glazing putty removal, not replacing but using something more environmental. But, you know we look out for the buildings more than we look out for the people in this town sometimes too. And I love historic architecture. I also think that it was visionary whether it was intended to be or not by the designer of The Cottages Among the Flowers to allow all the land still be permeable.
Transpiration permeating into the air and the atmosphere. All the trees are very healthy back there for the most part. There are aging oak trees at fall. But for the most part, I think it's doing better overall during the drought. It stayed cooler during the drought. There are a lot of wonderful things that can't be done today that I'd say are visionary like I said whether it was intended or not by the people who designed I don't know the architects name in particular, but I do like the character of those structures. I'm glad they'll be preserved But I'm certain I wouldn't be able to afford the rent. I don' like renting anyway, but that's what I do I had a lot to say and you know, I'm not following my notes Because I know what they've already done this this developer uses contractors that don't Thank You Scott basics
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Next we have Julia Weissman, then Maddie Gadsloy and then Katrina Reischmitt. I just want to say
Scott can you hear me? Provide us in writing with any of the issues you currently have especially pollution of the water table those things can still be addressed so please do You know, provide it or call me or I'll meet with you whatever because that's very important what you just brought up. Thank you. Put it in writing and send it to us. Thank
you
Scott.
Julia Weissman.
Hi. Thank you so much. I'm so optimistic. I've always been here for the residents so you know they have their reservations so I'm not going to say too much. I just want to say thank you
Thank
you,
Jules. Next we have Maddie Gadsloy. I don't
think I'm going to be able to put my words together either because I am amazed and Yeah, I am so amazed by what I'm hearing tonight particularly the landmarking of Mallory and the protection of the existing character and cottages. What will be developed as well as the tenant protections? I do want to comment that I live at Mallory actually right now and my daughter lives at cottages.
The rents are already going up because they aren't protected, currently protected so when someone moves out those rents are getting raised even though there's really no heat or cooling in those units it's getting raised to the maximum people will pay. So there's a unit maybe seven eight hundred square feet going for twenty nine hundred right now So they aren't protected now. So having more affordable housing in this agreement is also really important, so thank you.
Thank You Maddie next Katrina Reichschmidt and then Peggy Lacerra and then Fran
Hi, I'm Katrina Schmidt. I live right across the street from Mallory Way. I am a card-carrying member of the National Trust for Historic Preservation so I am very excited about this settlement agreement. I think it's wonderful! I think landmarking and the Mills Act is going to be perfect for Mallory Way, the bungalows. I'm just so impressed that you got that taken care of.
Just one concern about the new law that goes into place. Is there anything that would prohibit the landowner from just doing this settlement agreement, 25 units and then coming back in the new year and doing the additional units by right.
Absolutely, the settlement agreement would prevent that. So if they breach that settlement agreement and they come back with an application to try to comply or impose the state law, and the city says no, and they want to go sue the city for violation of the Housing Accountability Act, essentially the court will throw out their case and they will say but you settled And you knew that this is coming and you've settled with the city, and these are the constructs of the application that you have agreed to. So all, so the state laws as a matter of right they only exist unless the developer through some sort of contractual agreement gives up portions of those rights.
And the other concern I had of the current right-of-way is very actively used by wildlife, by the way. Our local mountain lion comes often and by people and dogs too so I'm wondering if that will be dedicated open to the public forever? Yes. Because it is used quite a bit. So those are my just two questions that I have, but I am really excited and I encourage you to approve this settlement agreement. I think it's wonderful.
Thank you Katrina. Next we have Peggy Lacerra and then Fran.
I was just here to support someone else. I'm really surprised by the progress that has been made, I think. I really appreciate the effort to make this a historic preservation site. It sounds really good all of the affordable and X number of low income and X number of median income And I don't know what that means to someone who's making beds at the Ojai Valley Inn. I don't know what it means to someone who's stocking shelves at Westridge. This is a service economy, it's a service economy. It's a tourist economy and that means that we have service workers and those service workers are making approximately $15 an hour. They're making $600 a week if they work 40 hours a week They're not taking that home because they're being taxed to the tune of about 20%.
And so, imagine that you are that person making beds at the Ojai Valley Inn and tell me what's affordable. Tell me what's median income? What's low-income? Take the document that was sped read to us and put it in terms that those people can understand. I think that's critically important. We don't have affordable housing laws that are yoked to the reality of the local economies, and the income that those workers are making.
And I don't know what you can do, and I understand that there's an urgency to doing this so that we don't lose the opportunity that's been created here. I'm appreciative of that. And I think we still have to take a beat. I think the Becker Group and VIM and whoever else is involved, their lawyers If if they could be Implored to give us another month So that this can be interpreted for the public the public can understand it we can Understand What the environmental impact is going to be and I'm not I don't know whether it's feasible to have a full-scale environmental impact report done but People who know far more than me should be giving this a little bit more than a cursory look and seeing what is going to be impacted.
Most importantly, I mean all the talk about it being Affordable the labels are they're meaningless. The labels do not mean anything to the people that are working here Thank You Peggy next we have Fran
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Hello, so I live at Mallory Wake Cabins. I think some of you know that. I'm super happy that they will be landmarked with this agreement. I do have a question about the cottages though. How come the cottages amongst the flowers aren't included in that landmarking? And if you all vote on it tonight, would it be possible to somehow get the cottages also landmarked? Because they also are historic. I think they're even more historical than Mallory is and they're quite beautiful but If you all vote tonight, which I'm wavering towards that because of that January 1st law.
Will there be ways to amend and tweak and add little things like that in the future if you vote yes on it tonight? So that would be my concern, because I do also agree with everyone that's saying it does need a little bit more time. But then I get like Ajara when I think of that January 1st law that could come into effect. But anyways thank you so much. I feel a little bit more relieved tonight that I will still have a roof over my head and won't be worrying about being evicted anytime soon. So thank you for that very much
Thank you Fran Sunny and Matt, would you be able to address that just in terms of the tweaking in the timetable? No
The agreement would be the agreement Any great modifications as agreed could be made but the city would lack unilateral power to make changes
Okay. Thank you we did council we had a request from Anita Hendricks to to make another comment as I Are you OK with that?
I don't think she used her entire three minutes, so I'd be happy for her to use the remainder of it.
This time constraint really makes it really difficult to really be able to fully consider this. And I would like you to at least, if you can't wait till next year, postpone your decision till December 30th, have another meeting so that we can really look into this. There may be some loopholes and things that we're just not picking up because it's happening so hastily.
You know, I
just think we really need more time.
Thank you.
Thank you, Anita. Any comments online, Weston?
Zoom participants, if you would like to raise your hand for comment on our one agenda item tonight please raise your hand now. Okay one last call no raised hands mayor we'll move on
okay thank you all right we'll move on to discussion who would like to begin?
May I. I would like to make a suggestion if Sonny is willing now that we've had this hearing can you review what Matt said at the beginning of the meeting but perhaps go a little slower clarify and address some of the concerns that have been raised so that we can make this as clear as possible for our wonderful audience. Yeah
I did a little bit better. While we were having the dialogue, we had a chart that staff is going to put up so then you can see it.
Yeah James if you could put it up.
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I just wanted you to know there's nobody on Zoom. My daughter is at home listening and she said she can't get through to make a question.
We have participants on Zoom now.
So we're going to go back to Zoom?
I think the most important thing that we need to focus on, and I know there's a lot of history here but I don't want to go back through the history because what the community should be focused on is if there is no agreement What can the developer do on the various sites as a matter of law under state law? That if the City Council tries to regulate them, HCD would probably come and slap them on the head and say you can't do it. And another thing the community needs to understand is HCD now has an enforcement agency component to it. It's no longer an agency that comes out and gives land use planning guidance, and they're actually going around enforcing some of these issues.
So I think this is the most critical thing, and then I'll go over, Councilwoman, each project, but let's start here. Under state law- No, we can't hear you. Sorry. So under, and maybe I mean, I know we told Lucas just to put this part up but maybe it made sense to put all of it up now that I'm looking at it but is that too much to ask Lucas? How can I, so James can you scroll up please?
Let's just start from the beginning now that everybody's had a chance to, no well no. Oh that's good, no no that's good. So on cottages if they were to proceed by right it would be 10 market rate units and they could do two market rate ADUs. They have agreed to make the two ADUs or make two of the units affordable one at low and one at very low income So there's a net of four new units as compared to the existing structure, but two of those will be affordable.
Which under state law they wouldn't have to make those two affordable. On Mallory it's going to be 58 units all together under state law can you scroll down please James? Under state law, go more down please. Further further stop right there thank you. Under state law the developer would be able to do 58 units five very low income and five moderate income 48 market rate and bungalows can be knocked down and rebuilt and the sizes can be larger any size they want and that they could go potentially up to definitely up to three but potentially up to four stories Now, under the settlement they would still only have 58 net at the end but it's only 23 additional units because the 25 bungalows are kept the same and they're just rehabbed.
There would be five very low and five moderate income. The tenants essentially rents are kept the same for all the residents living there until they move out. The really important thing that the community needs to focus on, that is the developers agreeing to do all the new units at 500 to 600 square feet Which by definition makes them more affordable because if they exercise their rights under state law, they could have them at 1,000 square feet, 1,200 square feet and that would just by the nature of the units being larger, the rents would be a lot more excessive.
And they've also agreed that any additional unit will be a similar design and material and that the maximum would be two stories. So that's the crux of why, well this is one part of why the deal is a good deal. Let's go to the next one. Scroll down James please to Montgomery. Under Montgomery under state law they can do 13 market rate and do 1 low income and 1 moderate income. And they have agreed to do 12 moderate income and 3 low income so it's 100% affordable Can we go down please?
On 51 Ojai, they're doing one moderate, two low, two very low and that's similar to what they would have under state law. And then scroll down please. So now we get to the final count. So, final count all in all with the 25 and the 10 you will have 98 units 63 new units 31 total affordable under the settlement 18 moderate 6 low 7 very low and we've talked about the 25 bungalows over and over again landmark application preserve oak trees all of that Now let's focus on what under state law they could get come January 1st. They could get 98 total units, 17 only 17 compared to 31 would be total affordable but you know that's kind of a misnomer because on top of that 17 they could build the 25 at Mallory in a way that there are thousand square feet and you don't realize that affordable rents that you're gonna get because now they're committing to keep them at five, or have all of their units be at 500 to 600 units.
And so they would have 81 market rate and they could replace the affordability of the bungalows and they would have full control over size design character how many stories it would be. So I hope that helps explain the deal again
Thank
you, Sonny. What I want to recommend, I see people taking screenshots. The city can provide these charts on the website and I think already plans to and I regret that we didn't provide this as a handout. I don't know if it's too late if they wanna take it home but provided on the city website in a way where people can print it out You know so they can I guess I myself have sat here and I stare at these charts and all of a sudden it makes more and more sense. You know you. I'm someone that has to look at it for a long time.
So
we'll certainly make it available on the website. It's public now with a vision on Zoom and staff I assume could click print on a whole bunch of paper copies
Yeah, all meeting materials after the start of the meeting will be included in the public comments that are posted on the public comment site. If staff wishes to provide it at another location on the city website week May but right now it'll be included in the public comments.
Thank You Weston. Tomorrow
I
might have tomorrow. We have some questions with Councilmember Whitman you want to go ahead?
My understanding is that we've got people who have shown up on Zoom. Yes. To comment, we should get those as soon as
OK and then we'll have ideally time some time for questions. OK zoom.
We do have one raised hand since we spoke about that on Zoom. Natanya and Dara P just raised a hand to Tanya. One moment please. James Renger, I do not have access to promote them. Stand by everyone. Just a moment here. James could you please promote me to host? There we go thank you. Thanks for waiting everybody. Natanya you have the floor. Natanya, you may unmute.
Last call Natanya and we'll move on. Okay there you are
okay I think I did sorry about that just trying to navigate technology my question was I'm a tenant at cottages among the flowers and I understand under the new Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. Good morning, everyone. I don't remember, a dollar amount to move or something like that. So that was one question that I had.
It is comparable units the same language is used in this settlement agreement.
Okay and does that wording mean a similar floor plan? Or is it correct that we could be offered a studio at the same price?
It's defined to tie it to state law, and it's defined as equivalent size means that the replacement units contain at least the same total number of bedrooms as the units being replaced. So a two-bedroom would be a two bedroom, three bedroom, a three bedroom.
Okay great. And then I do agree with the comments made that it would be helpful to have time to look over all of the new details and again I think the public and residents, of course just all want to understand the changes. And I think the environmental impact is important to me personally and I know it's been said in the past how special this place is and we want to keep it special even if the buildings are going to change and things like that.
natural beauty and little pockets of Ojai that are like this is what makes Ojai so special, and not the urban sprawl that we see. So I think understanding the details of this proposal would be really helpful.
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Thank you, Natanya.
Thank you.
Next, we have Dara P. Dara? You have the floor.
Okay, am I unmuted? Unmuted. I don't think... Am I unmuted?
We can hear you.
Okay hi um actually a similar question i didn't get really a chance to organize my thoughts about this and i was a bit confused by how to present comments ahead of time. I also have questions about being a tenant at the cottages and what that entails uh and what the deal is. I mean originally there was Kind of a pretty nice package that the landlord had put together, even though it wasn't kind of cleared or there was a lot other issues at that time couple years ago. And again I'm hoping that we even could take even a few days to review all this stuff before you vote on it. That's my comment And including to look at other comments, which I understood that when this came out via the paper that this was about very old permits. When were these permits taken out?
How can even those things be validated at this time? Some of it is from 2007, is that correct? Is that correct? Some of the permits, I think they're asking to be approved at this time.
To move forward. Thank you 2007 some of the permits come from
yeah, the original cottages approval dates back to 2007 and was modified in 2016 by the Planning Commission.
Those permits are the ones that you will be approving tonight possibly
Yes, if the council acts it would be extending that permit, the 2016 approval for further time.
Yeah I mean to me, just common sense and protocol is that you know there's a reason why they didn't get passed or they didn't get done or the work didn't get done and it's not necessarily Ojai's fault or the tenants' or the land That is more has to do with the organization that took the permits out. So that should be investigated, and they expire at a certain point, correct?
I would think if I got a permit to do something and it expires like it's done, you have to start over. But nevertheless, I'm glad that y'all are coming to some kind of You know, you know possibility that some of these dilapidated buildings on the cottages might actually be changed. I mean this is a long time that they've been sitting there and that is who you're dealing with and they've done nothing to improve these homes over a long period of time.
And I'm actually been in a plumbing crisis here that is really does need to be dealt with We do have some questions from the residents or
council. You all right with taking questions? Any questions out
there?
I'm concerned that the current tenants, that the developers could say to a tenant, I'm going to redo your house. So you have to move out and we will send you to this other location where they now have another unit that's less desirable, less attractive. Perhaps they would be less happy there and they could do that repeatedly with one tenant after another even before they chose of their own volition to leave so systematically this could happen. They could possibly I'm just wondering if they could do that to all the tenants? They could build this other new development which we didn't even know about until tonight and then displace all of them over there make the other ones really nice like Montecito quality nights The upper end, the above moderate income people living there in those absolutely adorable And the other thing is the collages amongst the flowers should have historic preservation.
There was a study done sometime in the 60s, I don't remember exactly when. 2006. 2006 and they said that these should have historic preservation status. That should be a requirement for both of them. Thank you so much for your time and your hard work. Thank you Anita.
Carolyn?
The question that I have is relating to this new state law that's going to take place on the first of the year. Sounded to me like anybody could come in and buy land or own land and build Three-story whatevers, as long as there was a certain amount of low income or moderate income involved with it. The state is trying to make more affordable housing and they're not having too many rules about how it can be done, taking away the power from the local people?
Is that what was said?
Yes,
so the land across from the meadows or the high school that big piece of land out there somebody could just build a bunch of four-story apartments and Without much that we could say about it. Is that correct?
Well, yes There's a risk of its subject to the density provisions at issue but yeah under current under today's state law Three or four stories is possible for a development project if they provide enough affordable housing in the right configuration to meet that state protection. The new law we're talking about allows for double the base density come January 1st, if a project has 15% very low income and 15% moderate income. Right now you can only double the density if the project is 100% affordable The max you can get otherwise is 80% of a bonus. So the new law will allow doubling the density if it's only 30% affordable, and that's the new law that staff is concerned about being applied in Montgomery or Mallory if not otherwise agreed.
Or anywhere in the city I would think.
Yeah, the risk is elsewhere. The city will have some defenses on larger sites or on sites where the density standards aren't met but yeah, the state law is certainly very pro-housing It allows for these higher standards.
That place right across from the meadows is all soggy, I mean it's like anyway water.
Yeah and if any project does come forward for the Meadows that detailed evaluation of every aspect of the project will be critical and that would be done before
anything would happen. Without the state interfering correct?
Well the state can interfere to an extent yes there's a risk of that.
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I wanted to point out that Cabrillo, the affordable housing project that we approved on Bryant Street
They took realistically three stories, but seven feet is buried. But they could have gone to five or six by right and they didn't. So that's the kinds of things that we're working with here. There are by state law and there's nothing that we can really do about it without risking an incredible lawsuit that we would lose. Because we can't override state law. And the state has declared a housing crisis and has passed innumerable laws over the last three years, five years to deal with that.
And so that's the situation that we find ourselves in. I mean, that is a constraint that this council has to live with. So you negotiate in the best way you possibly can and you bring in people that know housing laws inside and out so that you can horse trade, right? You know what you can give and you know what you want. And so that's why we actually got this deal which honestly is an amazing deal because we had people that knew how to horse trade Exactly and and you know, we're two weeks away from that basically
Well
there but there's one other There is one other issue and that is That If we exceed all of our Reina numbers then we are in a much better position to talk to a developer who comes in with a Project with you know big demands and we can say You know, we've You know, it's not a magic bullet that puts an end to the project but it puts us in exponentially stronger position to protect the character of the city.
That's correct. We don't eliminate all of the state's housing laws having met ARENA, but having met ARENA knocks out a good portion of SB 35 and a good portion of the laws that allow for irresponsible development. We are still of course part of the density bonus laws and certain others but it certainly gives the city more tools than we have now not yet having met ARENA if we meet our arena as is proposed
And
just as an example for the for the meadows, yeah That's zoned one acre By having achieved our rain of numbers There is nothing that would force us to change that zoning from one acre if we had not met Raina numbers, at least with that potential developer who you know applied prior to our achieving housing element approval We would potentially be have our zoning basically wiped out and any extreme number of Units that would potentially be going in at the meadows
Mayor, could I just really briefly? I wanted to let people know that Lucas has this sheet that was up on the monitors. If you would like to actually have a hard copy of the numbers please do come up and grab one. So I think just really to crystallize this is that this particular project covers our RHNA numbers which protects us from sort of outward, just completely development that's not community friendly at all.
And that's also really important to know. It's not necessarily specific to the places but it's specific to
the process. And just a reminder that chart will be online. Anita?
So, I'm very familiar with the meadow and the property across from it. I volunteered for the land conservancy for almost 20 years. I would far rather see the property across from the meadow developed than destroying the wildlife corridor that exists at the cottages and Mallory Way. So my question to you is why did you give up the cottages in this? And why did you give up the wildlife considerations in this?
That's for every one of you, that's what I wanna hear from you. Why did you give that up for this deal? Why did you give up the more important historic landmark of the cottages for a candy in the sky of historic for the Mallory Way when the cottages are the real historic jewel and why did you give up the wildlife? I've seen birds in there that the books don't even say come here So that's my question, why did you give up all of that in this agreement?
Thank you
Anita.
Council do you want to address that?
The cottages among the flowers are the ones that have had the first phase CEQA analysis for historic resources back in 2006 by the San Buenaventura Research Associates or whatever they're called, that said that these should be historic landmarks. They have significant features to them. The proposed development project would destroy those features And why was all that given up? These are jewels, these are cottages among the flowers. This is an iconic Ojai jewel in the heart of the city. Why was that given up in this and why was the wildlife given up in this?
In lieu of oh we're saving them but the Mallory Way bungalows You know, I would far rather see that. I'm a certified California naturalist, biological scientist, zoologist for many years. I understand these issues quite well. I would far rather see that property across from the meadow built on because that is not a wildlife corridor. That is not... The meadow is.
But there's nothing special about that land as far as historic, CEQA. Nothing special about that land. Fill it in if that's what you got to do with building but save what's important in the city of Ojai when it comes to wildlife, when it comes to historic resources. So I don't understand this at all. And like I said, I haven't had a chance to absorb it so I think it would be very, you know, a bad decision to agree to this tonight when none of the community has been able to look at it. You can't in a meeting like this understand this project.
So I'm very disappointed in City Council. Very disappointed. I know you've worked hard, I appreciate that. I know you've made progress, I appreciate that but I think you've given up the jewels in this and let the little bubbly things out there be the takeover of it.
Council.
The only thing I would say about that is that each property had its own set of land use considerations and sorting through what makes more sense from a legal standpoint has a lot of layers involved Were taken into consideration very very carefully with the set of land use entitlements in place and issues that needed to be kind of looked at carefully and The bungalows or Mallory and Cottages have different underlying land-use issues that were being considered I can't say much beyond that because of the threat of litigation until we have all of our settlements executed. But maybe if we do have our settlements executed at some point, I can get your phone number from you and
call. You're giving up some very, very important parts of the city in this.
Matt, I would also add that staff would have no objection to a future landmark request for the cottages. It hadn't been discussed as part of the current deal given certain legal realities. But we will not object to that coming forward. I'm still speaking, ma'am.
OK?
We would not object to that coming forward for consideration. And I would the developers in the audience, I'd invite them to consider perhaps considering that for the cottage is part of this But it's not part of the deal as negotiated.
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Could I
respond to Anita? Anita and anyone else, I believe everyone in this room is very concerned about the wildlife corridor. We are preserving that land that's preserved and what happens at the two sites is intimately connected by spreading out development in one site I think that helps the cottages. I've spoken with Scott and other tenants, I'm well aware of all the wildlife in that area that's coming down from the mountains so we're going to do what we can and I think I just heard our city attorney, maybe we can discuss this after all the speakers are done Maybe we can discuss and get a little more clarity on what's possible, and get some clarity on what we're agreeing to tonight. And then the possibilities in the future as we go through process.
I think we're going to address that next.
Okay but you don't have environmental experts as part of this panel who have looked at this Susan? Approving it tonight is a huge mistake, a huge mistake. And if you don't let the community look at this, if you don't let us consider especially the CEQA parts of this because that has been completely disregarded in this agreement. I have not heard it mentioned at all and CEQAs includes historical resources. It includes biological resources and we're oh high.
This is not expected of you Like I said, I know you put a lot of work in and I do appreciate that. And I appreciate that you've made progress but I think you've given up way too much in it. Way too much.
Thank you. Yeah, if I can just say on cottages there has been secret compliance because this Essentially there was sequel review and so all of that is out there on the other applications also We have agreed that there's going to be a Planning Commission hearing as I said There will be an opportunity for the members of the public to attend those public hearings and comment on all of them
Well, we need to see those secret historic. You need to show us those to us. We need to see this before you approve it because you're just giving us something that we really don't have a clue. Yeah, you've put on presentations and we appreciate that and it gives us a kernel of understanding but we need to see this before you approve it.
Thank you, Anita. Next, Paul?
Because I keep hearing about the multi-story building that can be built on Mallory Way. So if Mallory Way and the cottages are awarded all the protections that they deserve, historic environmental and everything wouldn't that put a stop to what is it SB 35 or something? Whatever it's called which permits that monstrosity building
That's been the objective of the council and getting the applicant to agree to apply for a landmark. So that would preserve that, and you would keep the bungalows the way they are, and you don't get that?
What about the cottages because they are the real landmarks? I am aware of the way it's written somewhere. It says that it's the cottages in the state they are now that they can be awarded that status. But if they are changed, if they're renovated, if they are totally, you know, what's it called? Remodeled. Yes. Yeah. Would they deserve it then? Would they even go close? And it would be too late anyway.
The cottages are not, landmark preservation of the cottages is not part of the settlement agreement that's before the council tonight. I understand Mr. Summers was saying that maybe that's something we can ask the developer but I mean, I honestly don't know if the developer would do that because of the points you're making so I understand what you're saying. We can ask but that would require them to change their plans for the cottages if they did that because your point is correct
Yeah, so is it only the developer who can request that landmark designation or can the city start something like that? Start the process. Because if the city can start a process for Mallory and the cottages then that could totally throw SB 35 out of the window as an option because it wouldn't be able to be done.
If you, if the council were to do that you would not have a settlement agreement I understand the request We would be back to square one where the developer January 1st can file their applications and Montgomery would be 13 market rate units, two affordable. Mallory would be 58 units with none of the concessions they've made. So I understand the point you're trying to make but I want to be clear there would not be a settlement agreement. That's ultimately the council's Discretion, but as someone that knows what could happen in this community and hearing the comments I'm hearing I don't know if that would be in the best interest of the community But ultimately that's what would happen if there was a If we were trying to change the deal to all of a sudden advise the council to file for land marking of the cottages.
Now, I think what Mr. Summers was saying was he was encouraging the developer to think about it on his own. That's only ten units so it's a smaller development that Maybe if there is a settlement, maybe if there's no challenge, maybe if there is a path forward to responsible community development. Maybe the developer would get excited and come to the table and say okay let's relook at bungalows but I want to be clear under this settlement agreement there's nothing that mandates for them to agree to land market Again, we don't know in the hopes of having finality, having responsible development.
The developer has told at least us at the staff level that they want to hear the community's concerns and one of the reasons they came, they said, We don't want to be in this adversarial Position where we can go by state law and do what we want to do and have another rough Situation like we did and have a lawsuit and get attorney's fees against the city then that only you know Creates more bad blood They have communicated that the true intent is to try to come and do a development That's why they were open to doing this So with that, if there's a step forward where the settlement agreement is approved. I think Mr. Summers is saying maybe we can go back to them and say here's a step forward. Can you please think about cottages as well? I think that's what you were suggesting correct?
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Could we have clarity on what happens with the cottages? It's going to go before the Planning Commission, correct? Not the cottage, just the bungalows.
The bungalow and Montgomery and 510 East OI would come to the Planning Commission for review of the final site plan. Confirmation that it meets the terms of what the developer was required to apply for under the settlement. And so, what would be on the table would be final design aspects making sure that it meets the requirements but not a wholesale changing the unit counts.
The city would be agreeing to the unit counts and just to be clear if the city, you know, city always retains full discretion. So, if the city chose to deny those unit counts in the future then they'd come in with the state law defaults
Okay thank you.
So if I may just ask this question, I'm curious if the city chooses, if it has the choice to say okay we want to go forward with protecting landmark status environment and all that does the city have that option? And would that option if the city pursued it block SB 35?
Well, I don't we don't have an SB 35 application so i'm a little confused maybe you're saying would it block the approval a future um
Will those protections afford protection against sp35 building a monstrosity in this?
Those those things should have been done before the application was filed. The landmarking should have been, you have an application before you right now that's the issue so if there is another site that the residents want to protect as a historic site and there's no application on it I encourage you please bring it to the City Council this is the time to go comb through your community find your jewels understand what you wanna protect allow the council to proactively create, you know the protections that the community wants. But the way these housing laws came down it all happened so fast maybe there was not enough time to create this protection for the bungalows and cottages I think it's a wonderful concession on the developers part so at least one of these projects can now be Saved and be landmarked, but I know I'm not I'm answering your question saying yes.
I agree It is a very nice offer from the developer. I'm just curious as to what? the options are and You know if it's too late or if it's not too late
So I think what he's asking is that because the application is in, the city doesn't have the power at this point. Because preservation, historic preservation, is a way that cities have traditionally stopped development. It's one of the strategies that are used and so for that reason That was kind of, that door was closed in many of the ways that the state closed doors. There's four or five strategies that cities have used over the years to stop affordable development housing whatever call it whatever you want planning and city councils had an immense amount of discretion to stop these kinds of things with various Historic preservation, upzoning. I mean there's five or six ways that you can do it and the cities used to do it which is why That was put that was halted.
You know that sort of avenues not open if the application is in It's just, it has to do with how land use and housing has moved forward or not in the last 20 years. Because towns didn't want housing built. They didn't wanna afford, they don't want housing built because they like their, they like the community as it is. Right? So, I mean it's this balancing act that what are you going to do. And so the state finally said we're going to do these things and they did them.
Okay, I see. Yeah,
so I mean that's kind of just the way it is. Thank you Paul.
Tom?
Thank you all so much for all the work you're putting in tonight and the extra effort you're putting in now to listen to the community. It's really, it really helps with the sting of being excluded from the process and basically most of this process being done in a black box. And then you come out and open the box and say here's what's in the box. So it's hard on us. And it's hard on you guys too. So I apologize that it's hard on you.
I think my biggest question is, so there's this deadline. December 31st and then the next day you know we're dead right? Is that really real couldn't the developer if they wanted to they don't have to but if they wanted to couldn't they extend this process a month in other words extend the existing rules that were working under today to January 31st if they want
We've tried we we genuinely try to have a longer process and I think. I'll be very candid with you I think there is a lack of trust from all sides the city doesn't trust the developer the developer doesn't trust the city. Exactly simply Ojai doesn't trust the developer so I think because of that There's been a lack of willingness to have a longer process, but we have tried. I promise you we tried.
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What I'm hearing from most of the people tonight is that we're really happy that there's all this work that's been done and the big missing component is you guys are like, you get two hours to accept or support or not this project. That is not a community process and I think That there should be more pressure by the Council on the developer to have a process that doesn't last two or three hours.
It's too much, it's five projects or four whatever it is now okay? To be decided in two hours you're asking too much of the community and so I would appreciate if city staff could potentially ask, I think there's a representative of the developer here perhaps the developer could get a phone call Tonight now and be asked that question again after hearing because I'm hoping the developers watching this meeting. So maybe after hearing all this from all these people we're all saying pretty much the same thing too quick right? We're really appreciative but too quick, maybe it's time to call the developer and ask or I don't know how many decision makers there are maybe there's two I don't know so could that happen?
The developers council is present in the room. I know they're listening and they're going to consider it more than one moment, and maybe consult with our client and report back shortly with the answer on that one. But I will note that the process is certainly quick. But it has taken some time to work through the options and to negotiate The very best deal that staff thinks we can negotiate Given the realities and given the the goals set forth by the council so will ask the developer to ask for some additional time and Give them a minute or two to respond.
Okay,
and Questions noted. Thank you. Okay,
so Perhaps one negotiating point since, you know I've done house restoration. I've done a lot of homes that are in the 1920s era similar era to the cottages and they are the jewels of all those buildings much more so than Mallory which are not near as historically significant or architecturally correct And so perhaps the city could make some sort of an offer to the developer just an idea To pay for that. Maybe maybe there's the will and the community to pay for Pay the developer to leave those alone And then my last question is, there was a mention of The design review for cottages would go to the Planning Commission. I think considering that this is so contentious and many people in the community, some of the people that are here tonight worked very hard on the elections to get people on the council, I would really respectfully request that the design considerations go to the council, to the people that are elected by the voters not to the Planning Commission.
Thank you.
Thank you, Tom. Anyone else? Anita?
Yeah, I'll note on that last point that the proposal would bring the... At a certain point we'll have to have the council provide their direction. The proposal does provide for the modified Mallory project to come to the council for that design discussion. So that would occur. The other two would be Montgomery and 5th and East Ohio presently proposed for Planning Commission review.
That's the present proposal. So council for the modified project.
I have a quick question. Just one second. Any new people who haven't asked a question? No, okay. And Councilor, are you okay with Anita asking one more question? I mean no this isn't.
Well things keep getting brought up that we weren't aware of so it's hard when you don't have the information and then more things are revealed as we go along. So if I just would want to say that both of those old buildings are Ojai jewels they're legacies to Ojai. I would like to ask us to appeal to this developer if he wants to leave a legacy to his children He can name those the Becker legacy, whatever you want to call it.
I think we should postpone this until December 30th and we should ask that these places become historic preservation. Years and years and years have gone by and they have not become, gone on the historic preservation status. I don't know why that is but there has been probably decades and it has not happened Thank you all for your time. Please postpone this until December 30th, you'll have time to talk with him. You'll have the time for us to consider this which we really need and thank you so much. I know it's not easy and you guys are looking really tired but thank you.
Thank you Anita. We better move on to discussion. Okay, thank you. I
just wanted to click yeah, I wanted to clarify with Matt Isn't any decision of the Planning Commission appealable to the City Council? Yes So I'm sorry so any decision of the Planning Commission is Appealable to the City Council So it doesn't necessarily, it doesn't need to come to us first. It would in fact make more sense for it to go to them who have eyes on this and then if they want to appeal it or if the City Council wants to take it under advisement, it is within our rights to do so. Anybody sitting in the audience can make an appeal on a Planning Commission decision and it will come in front of the council. I just wanted to clear that up
Absolutely under the city's code.
We have one Okay, quick question,
yeah And my understanding is that we're talking about the 20 cottages in Mallory way the eight In the cottages among the flowers as 28 affordable very low income at this point What are we trading those out for in return for how many? Very affordable units use the word affordable When you were saying that, that's why we're not allowing development. That's never been the case with this valley and I've lived here a long time. I'm
sorry what did I say? You
were saying that one of the reasons nothing gets done with affordable housing development is because we haven't wanted that here. That's not been the case it's about affordable
No, I said that tradition. Okay, I'm not going to argue but I said traditionally people that towns have not wanted to build housing That's my that's my point. No. No, it's it's across the board It's that's why California has declared a housing crisis. It's not here. It may or may not be here That's not the discussion but it is it is statewide and
I didn't mean to pick you out personally. No, no it's OK and why not? It made it sound like Ojai was against but
we have been a
sustainable development.
Yeah yeah for sure for sure.
And I would argue that if we upheld our illegal immigration legislation we wouldn't have a housing crisis.
Absolutely absolutely. We do have one comment on Zoom Weston. Last comment on Zoom right.
Teal Rowe will give you the opportunity to speak
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Thank you Weston. Can you hear me?
Yes, please proceed.
All right I'm with Paul and to recognize and I have this comment way back in history about that Wind River of that area it's a very special feed into the city of Ojai And my big question is about, I'm wondering how did 510, how did the Miller property get folded into this deal? And I'm very concerned about the zoning. Did the zoning change in order to get this property into the deal and if so could you just answer that? And then the other thing is about that property and CEQA laws around that property. Historically, wasn't that like a big oil spill area?
Jim Miller's property across from Seafresh and my other question is about the RHNA numbers everybody so concerned about the RHNA numbers to build 68 units to get what is Ojai need five more RHNA numbers after Cabrillo has been built I mean And I'm with everybody in the community that's in that room as maybe a ratio of people that aren't in that room and don't even know this meeting is taking place. It's a lot of information, it's a lot in front of our face so wonder how did 510 get folded into the deal?
And wonder was the zoning changed in order to do that?
Madam Mayor 510 was added into this conversation as it had been in the development game a conversation at one point Two years ago now then was excluded they bought their site with an idea to developing housing Hence, they put it back in with the five proposed affordable units. No zone changes inherent in any of this all of this is I'll turn it to Ms. Soltani.
I just wanted to say that Ms. Collins, who's the attorney that represents the developer, just stepped to here to tell me that her phone is dead otherwise she could have texted her clients to see if they're willing to consider filing an application for the bungalows to landmark those as well and she expressed not bungalows cottages She expressed that under the current approval, it's the cottages are not being demolished. They're just being upgraded and rehabilitated with upgrades and that she would ask her clients if they're willing to do that and that the objective all along of her clients has been to keep the integrity in any historic value of the cottages The reason we've been focusing on Mallory and the bungalows is because those ones were planned to be knocked down, and that's why they needed to be saved.
So she reminded me of that, and someone asked why are you focusing on the bungalows? That was a great reminder and although she cannot commit to her clients agreeing to file the landmark application on the bungalows, she expressed that it has been the intention of her clients all along to preserve the historic nature of the cottages. So I thought that was a bit of good news And if she gets approval from her clients tomorrow before we sign the settlement agreement, perhaps we could add that in. I'm not gonna make it a condition tonight. I expressly asked the council to show their good faith also in these negotiations approved the settlement agreement but I'm putting on the record that was expressed to me. Thank you.
Thank you, Beth. You're welcome to use my phone if you want. Okay we will move on to discussion who would like to begin? Let's move on to discussion. Okay, who would like to begin to discuss? Okay Councilmember Whitman Public comment is closed Councilmember Whitman
yes, so I Do want to thank the residents who drafted the referendum And those who gathered the signatures and those who signed it over 600 people who signed it and I think they believe that we could do a better deal than the deal that was presented or the deal that had been approved back in August of 2022. We were fortunate enough to bring in Sonny Saltani to assist us with what we could and could not reasonably do from a housing perspective, and particularly with the whole series of builder's remedy applications which were potentially gonna be unpalatable. And I think until Week ago a week or so ago. Yeah, I'm a little blurry on Dates with With everything that's gone on for City Council over the last three weeks or so but You know, I think we were looking at I Not extending these permits and going into potentially years of litigation That we That would result in an uncertain future for Ojai so We could fight The components of this project.
But we would have no assurance that the developer wasn't going to get what they asked for in the applications. I think we, the five of us have worked very hard to understand the current housing law And what our expected outcome would be. What we are considering tonight is not necessarily our best fantasy outcome, and I think the developer would probably say the same thing to us.
But one of the things that we're achieving tonight, potentially is certainty that we would not otherwise have. I would much rather have us control our future than leave it up to a judge and I'm somebody who deals with judges all the time And they're fallible. And the judges are, from everything that I've learned, lean towards the view of California housing that HCD has.
There's exceptions to that. And I've talked at great length with Ms. Soltani about areas where we had strong arguments and areas where the developer has strong arguments, and there's no clear winner on those. We would be in the stronger position on some issues. The developer would be in the stronger issue on other issues. I hope people know enough about me that it would not be my first inclination to be entering into an agreement which had a substantial addition of market rate housing.
But, I have to look at what potentially significantly worse outcome we could be looking at. I will say that a big turning point for me in how I viewed this project was a discussion with Sonny about whether it was conceivable to protect and preserve the Mallory Way bungalows, because it was very difficult for me to conceive of scraping those. And then that whole property turning into a condo development, which I think would be sad for most of the community.
So it was not that long ago that we were told that the developer was very interested in the idea of protecting those units and keeping them the way that they were and then You know, the developer also came back with approval of the idea that we would be. The units that would be built there in addition to the ones that are being protected would be not tiny but smallish.
And that would create affordability, you know moving forward. I very recently just within the last couple of days was expressing my concern about you know after having offered to Protect the bungalows You know, how are we going to extend that? Long-term and was very pleased to hear That the developer came back And was interested in landmarking the properties so The other thing I'll say is that Since I've been involved in housing in Ojai, I have really pushed the idea that we need to protect our existing affordable housing stock if we're going to retain affordability.
And this project does that to really a surprising extent in my estimation. So, you know I feel kind of strange being up here promoting for the developer but I actually have I think that while I'm thanking people like Craig Walker, who I think wrote on every single hearing related to Mallory that we should be looking at historic preservation. I also think we have to give some credit to the developer who is doing some really good things for the community So I mean, I've been very impressed for this. I've had a lot of sleepless nights over this project. Also, I guess I'd say that the five of us did a good job with the Brown Act because the community's really surprised.
So I'll make a motion that well, I'm going to say one more thing. And that is that You know, I thank the staff for the hard work that they did in bringing together this agreement. But I also have to say that I have a tremendous amount of confidence in Sunny Soltani and rely extensively on her telling me that this is a deal that we should approve. I know that she is very capable of telling us, fight the hell out of this one because you're gonna win.
And she's not telling us we're gonna lose but she's gonna tell us it's going to be a dogfight and I think putting all of this behind for the community providing extensive Affordable housing benefits for the community and protecting those 25 units is You know is it's a real big win That So I'm gonna make a motion that that we approve the Settlement agreement
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And
as part of the motion we also
would need
the council
to adopt the resolution approving the time extension for the cottages subject to
a The motion is to approve the settlement agreement and the resolution
as Mr. Summers stated it
But the resolution's approval is subject to the settlement agreement actually being executed by the developer. I think that's a critical part of it. If it's not, that approval is revoked and we will have another hearing to pass a resolution of denial. I think that is a very important part of the motion. Sorry.
I agree. Can I ask a quick question? What does it mean when you say execute the settlement?
We
have
a settlement agreement that has been drafted, the devil as the community says is in the details we have a draft that they've looked at, we've looked at, and we're all blessed But after it has to be first approved by the council before the developer signs it So I just want to make sure that settlement agreement gets signed by the developer before the cottages are considered approved
Okay,
so it's the
execution of the settlement agreement after we approve it. Okay. Thank you
Correct and the settlement will be consistent with the terms as discussed tonight and as made available on the zoom screen
And the copies of the settlement agreement will be available for public inspection, hopefully sometime tomorrow. And as I've offered, I will be available to answer any questions any members of the public have about it.
Okay we have a motion, we have a second. Final comments? Councilmember Lange?
If I could just thank you. I just want to make a few comments because I heard everyone who asked for more time and and I want you to know that we're not ignoring your requests for more time. That We would all love to have more time. I know that this seems fast to you, but this has been a long process that we've been going through and the developer has been going through with this council, with the previous council.
Sunny Soltani and Matt, our city attorney have really worked so hard. Sunny came in like a ray of sunshine and at a time when we were facing litigation, when we were you know in the process of losing our city manager and she came and she worked what I think is a miracle One thing that hasn't been mentioned here that I just wanted to state is that with this development, the developers could have sold this property. This could be developed by someone who's outside a big corporation where we have no...
Where the developer themselves don't have an interest in what happens to this community. But the developer is here in this community and is showing that they really care about the community, and that they want to preserve the look and feel of this community. And I know some of you might not feel that way. In going through the negotiations that was something that I that I found to be That I really appreciated and And so and so yeah, so I think this is as councilmember Whitman said You know, this isn't our dream agreement. This isn't the developer's dream agreement but it protects the most important thing is that it protects every single person who lives in the cottages and the bungalows and not only Our Rent Stabilization Ordinance has provisions for renovations, and they go above and beyond what our own ordinance says in terms of protecting the amount that our renters are paying.
So that to me is the most important piece of this. And we get to preserve the walking trail, there are lots of things that really work and so I'm hopeful within time that everyone who is having a lot of emotions about this and rightly so That we'll all be able to talk about this and And and find a way to to move to move forward and make the most of this Mayor Pro Tem
I'm in agreement with the comments made by my two colleagues so far. I just want to address something that's not part of the agreement, but that's important. At previous hearings the tenants came to the podium and did complain about the lack of repairs and plumbing and things. There are standards, right? If your home, if your cottage is in disarray and in need of repair I believe you can take that to the city or maybe you can address that. So that's a part.
Those are issues that would just be normal rental agreement type issues that should be addressed We don't have to wait for renovation to take care of plumbing is what I'm trying to say. For remodeling, for remodeling to take care of issues like plumbing or heat or whatever there are state laws right?
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Right, habitability laws require certain requirements to be met and those are enforceable through the small claims courts or through code enforcement depending on the details of the situation. I'd suggest any of those complaints to be filed with the Human Development Department and Code Enforcement and if not already done a written request to the landlord for example there's no heat a written letter to the landlord copying the city that says I have no heat make sure they're aware of it
Let's stay quiet, please
any other mayor pro tem bring them you know Bring them to the attention of the city staff and City Council You can ask that your letter be copied to all of us and it can my understanding is that? It'll go to the
The city's not a court, so we don't enforce provisions of the lease. State law allows that to be enforced through the habitability system and small claims court. However, the city does enforce certain code enforcement requirements, so depending on the problem it's enforceable through the courts or it's enforceable through code enforcement. So first step is to make sure the landlord is aware of it in writing.
Ms. Collins could you help Fran get heat? Could you communicate? Okay. She said to write the landlord. Okay, write the landlord. All right and okay and Mr. Becker, Mr. Jonkers if you're listening could you help Fran get some heat anyone else get heat it's not all the units it's cold it's getting really cold so I think that's really important Mayor Pro Tem are you finished? I'm done. Okay Council Member Ruhl
Yeah, I also agree. This was...I know that it was sort of sprung on the citizens but in real estate negotiations that's like one of the few things that you're allowed to go into closed session because it's a negotiation So just sort of de facto, that's kind of the way real estate negotiations in municipalities happen. And given with this negotiation, And the time frame, there's not movement. Nobody can revisit this right now. So I think down the road a potential historic landmarking all of that is really possible.
We've talked a lot and I agree with everyone here. I have come to appreciate and I have told Thank you very much. Thank you. The only thing I want to point out is that I'm so proud that we protected our tenants and that the developers agreed to give first priority to low-income tenants, current Ojai residents that are at risk of losing their homes because of gentrification. So they go to the top of the priority list. And once again, short of that like pathway that I have walked many, many, many times and that you know, I think that was really so important to me and to the people that I've walked it with.
The protection and the priority for low income tenants is super, super important to me That is really what I think differentiates Ojai, is that we take care of those. And I applaud the developer and Cabrillo for finding a way to move forward with that. So that having been said this is such a complex process there's no way to peel back the layers really. I don't even think we've peeled back all the layers, but I am 100% in support of this. And I also agree is it if I had my magic wand that is so popular in Ojai could I wave it? I probably could.
But sitting here right now, I am very pleased with what we have and intend to vote affirmatively.
First I want to thank Miss Sultani and Matt. Thank you so much for working so hard on this and Sonny for coming in and Jumping on the team. We're really grateful to both of you Lucas been a long haul, huh? So thank you for all your work on this and Thank you to miss Collins and the developers for working on this agreement with us and it You know, it's a compromise. Compromise is we meet in the middle. It's not perfect either way. It's sort of like a tie in the Super Bowl which doesn't happen. Everybody walks away like that was all right.
So I think that's really important to keep in mind. And I'd like to also thank and thank you for bringing that up councilmember Whitman a Thank you to all the people who worked on the referendum all those 600 people who signed it. That's very significant and It helped get us here So, I hope you That's true. And I want to thank you for that. Of course, there are things that we would like time. If Mr. Becker and Mr. Jonkers are listening right now, we would love more time. You know, I can see Ms. Collins.
You know the trees and thank you Carolyn for bringing up the trees. The trees as you know in Ojai are so important, so anything you can do to save the trees help the trees support the trees the wildlife corridor as we've heard several times super important We have a mountain lion out there a few of them So anything you can do to help Keep that going. And as Councilmember Rule and Councilmember Lange mentioned, we are protecting people and it all comes down to people and animals and trees in the environment so I think that is a really positive thing.
Hands are tied and I do trust our legal counsel our hands are tied because of all these new laws that And so we are depending on you both to help us out there. And Also council councilmember Whitman mentioned the certainty factor and I think at this point that is is a I think the community realizes that we don't need any more market rate units. We need housing for a very low, extremely low, acutely low income household. Someone brought up minimum wage and Peggy LaSera brought up it's a service economy. We need units for people who make minimum wage.
And, you know, we will continue to ask for that and recognize that this once again is a compromise. So I think we spent a lot of time on this and a lot of back-and-forth, and I think as a council we worked really well together. It was good teamwork. Thank you! And I'm sorry that is such a surprise. You know, it's been a surprise to us too. Every day would be different like there's a new phone call, a new text and new piece of information so it has been a long slow and fast process if that makes sense. So here we are now While it's not perfect, it's a compromise and I'm ready to support it.
Ready for roll call?
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motion passes
okay thank you very much thank you all for being here we appreciate your input okay all
right
we are
adjourned thank you