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Good evening everyone. If you could take a seat please, we have a quorum and come to quiet.
We're
going to start so if you can all take a seat and come to quiet please be much appreciated thank you so much. Good evening everyone and welcome to the Tuesday October 22nd regular meeting of the Ojai City Council Thank you again for joining us tonight. We have an important agenda tonight ahead, but before we dive in and take roll call I want to take a moment to address an upcoming discussion regarding one of our most popular recreation department programs, gymnastics.
We know this program holds a special place in the hearts of many in our community and we want to ensure that we give it the attention it deserves. To that end, we'll be holding a special meeting dedicated solely to this topic on Tuesday November 19th at 6 p.m. in this same room at Kent Hall During this special meeting of the Ojai City Council, we will discuss its future, gather feedback and explore ways to enhance our overall recreation offerings.
If you would like additional information on what will be covered at this special meeting, please grab a copy of the press release and the newsletter available in the back of the room outlining the discussion to take place on November 19th. For today's meeting, I kindly ask that you hold your comments on this program until that special meeting on November 19th.
Your input is valuable and we want to make sure- excuse me could we have quiet please? Thank you. We want to make sure that everyone has the opportunity to share their thoughts in the right setting. Thank you for your understanding and for your commitment to our community. I look forward to our discussion at the upcoming meeting. With respect to this evening, we are implementing the new City Council member timed comment period in accordance with the Code of Conduct recently adopted by the City Council. Council members will have five minutes at a time with each council member receiving an opportunity to comment.
The council may cycle back through for an additional five minutes each on a debatable motion after being recognized to speak. This will allow priority given to council members who have not yet spoken on the matter under consideration. If there are any questions about this new process, Assistant City Manager Taylor Anderson is available to address. Now unless there are any council member questions on this new process let's move forward on today's agenda All right Chief Deputy City Clerk, roll call please.
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And is there a motion to approve the agenda? I'll move to approve it. Second?
I'll second.
Okay, all in favor?
Aye.
Okay wonderful okay we have some wonderful presentations tonight and we will begin with the annual Historic Preservation Commission Award recipients and we have our chair Brian Akins here to present
Sorry, I was looking around for the plaques. Oh, Weston's got them over there of course. Hello my name is Brian Akins. I am the current chair of the City of Ojai Historic Preservation Commission. It is an honor for me to do this To be here tonight, having done this for I think nine or ten years now. I will tell you that I'm kind of a guy on traditions but I really love the fact that you changed it from the first meeting in December to the last meeting in October because two years ago when we tried to do this with all the big change it was interesting so thank you for doing that I also want to thank the council for recognizing the awards on these individuals. They all are fabulous people, they provide stories and responsibilities in cleaning up cemeteries so i'm going to bring them up now.
So first of all I would like to bring up Connie Biggers. I'm bringing my ruler next time too so I can measure the 12 inches away from the mic Yeah, instructions up here. So Connie if you could join me please Which way would you like to go?
Either way
Oh just don't hide behind me
We have the tall and small of it
Okay, there we go. So this is Connie Biggers. You might know the Biggers names from Bigger's Bees. Of course Susan does. I was going to bring a can of Bigger's Bee Honey tonight from the museum but I couldn't get there. So Connie has been very involved in the community from all over the place. We were talking about her being a teacher at Nordoff. With the Ojai Valley Women's Club for five years, there's a reason I say it that way. The Ojai American Legion Auxiliary for 30 years, Rotary Club of Ojai for two years, taught PE and history at Nordoff High School in Ojai, of course, for 30 years serving as the girls athletic coach for 15 years Connie has a real interest in the Nordhoff Cemetery, with her first cleanup efforts done on small scale and then friends started helping with publicity.
Involving members of the community, different organizations, veterans groups to work together along with the Ojai Public Works has been a work in progress. The Nordhoff Cemetery is now being cleaned up on the weekend Saturdays before Memorial Day Veterans Day and at times the Race Across America event. So a commercial is that on November 9th from 9 to 12, 9 to 12 at the cemetery they will be doing a cleanup in honor of Veterans Day.
Amen so at this time then I'd like to present Connie Biggers with the annual award. I'm going to switch with you Because the mayor's coming up on my right.
I just want to say thank you to Connie and I know that you are always ready to give and have worked so many fundraisers, and you're also so much fun, I can tell. So thank you. Thank you for coaching track which is
huge. Congratulations! Full of the devil, and also I want to say one reason why this was undertaken was my thanks go to Marsha Fry as a historian and the countless number of veterans that are not veterans but volunteers that had come out. And then all of this died and the cemetery looked very sad, very pathetic Very under respected and this never happened in my family.
And felt that it was, it was time to move on this we dovetail with a lot of the community organizations. My thanks really go to those volunteers of those organizations as well as a good friend Patty Bagley who you may be acquainted with Individuals like Perry Van Houten with the Ojai Valley News, Steve Adams, the photographer. And I tell you it takes a village and we are finally respecting the place of those that lived in the Ojai Valley whether they were ranchers, housewives, business people, professional people, whether they are military people Come on out and help us. It's one of the most beautiful, charming eclectic cemeteries you will find in California. Thank you.
Great, thank you. Thank you
very
much. Okay now Connie straight to bed because we're going to be cooking those hot dogs on Friday at the Trunk or Treat in Oakview. We've now done that I think three years so wonderful time. Second person up that we want to recognize is Janice Cash. Janice Cash come on up there we go here we go Are you gonna go on my right? There we go. Keep keep it people looking around So Janice cash writes and posts historical articles online about Ojai and Ventura County history She illustrates her post with historic photo photographs She has a Facebook page called forgotten history and memories of Ventura County I highly recommend it highly Highly, most of her posts cover topics relating to the Ojai Valley where she has permanently resided since 1987. She is an amateur photographer currently specializing in Ojai Valley scenic and music photography.
Jenna said in her retirement years are dedicated to preserving the history and memories of this wonderful multi-textured rich colorful sometimes pink sometimes important pink Valley which is and will be her forever home. So yes so we're thrilled to have you up here I am thrilled, I think I read three articles in the last 24 hours because they're my candy so we will now have the mirror
And I just want to say thank you to Janice for your dedication to our history and preserving our community and loving it so much. We're really grateful to you, thank you.
I don't have too much to say but I want to thank Brian and Craig for being so supportive and members of the council for hosting This event and, um. And members of the community what's really fun about what I do is I started doing this in earnest more during the pandemic when I was in complete lockdown and I was retired and I went into a. OCD, I've always been fascinated with the history and I've always been a writer but I spend hours and hours a day on researching all over Ventura County but primarily Ojai which is where I've lived for quite awhile off and on.
I started in Ojai during the Krishnamurti era. That's what brought me to Ojai in the first place. I used to hear him speak at the Oak Grove, so that's what drew me to Ojai in the first place. But what I love about it is the participation on my history blog of the community that helps fill in details. Once I write an article about something all these details of people that empirically have witnessed all these transitions in the valley and You know, hope to preserve the valley because it's so special to them. So we get to kind of as a community gather information together once I do a post. So anyway thank you very much.
Thank you Janice. Again if you're looking for something good on Facebook, Forgotten History and Memories of Ventura County. Excellent okay now I would like to bring the older brother of Julie Tumamite. I say that because people are always like is he related to Julie? So Patrick, and he told me he was the older one so I don't know if that's true and he's just trying to be nice to his sister but we were hoping that your sister would make it but not quite. But oh she's here.
There we go. In case you were wondering why we're stalling a lot, so yes. So wonderful to have Patrick here. Patrick grew up in the Ojai Valley with his family lineage. He is the son of Vincent and Lucy Tumamite. His lineage traced from his father to at least 11 known Chumash villages. Nice.
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Since the late 80s, he has been working as a Native American cultural resource monitor, working solo as well as with archaeologists to discover, define and protect native Chumash sacred sites and village sites. He also does educational programs honoring his Chumash heritage. It is Patrick's goal to protect what is natural in the way Native people would want, and he says we have to remind ourselves that we are the gatekeepers of the world in all its glory and beauty and not take Mother Earth for granted. I know Patrick was very key and very involved in rewriting the cultural guidelines for the valley a number of years ago. So thank you, Patrick. Thank you for being there to preserve what came before us so we can truly know of it and enjoy it and be grateful for it.
So I'm going to turn you over to the mayor.
I just want to say thank you to Patrick for reminding us that we are the gatekeepers of the world, so important. Thank you for preserving that and reminding us and keep reminding us please. Thank you so much.
Well, first of all I want to thank past and present council members for helping us adjust to the culture and the preservation and protection of our cultural resources. You know as you know thousands of years we have lived here and occupied this land and it's my goal and my interest in trying to preserve all that. Ojai is a beautiful place and I love it And what really reminds me of a lot of things, and I see it ever so often is this bumper sticker that says don't change Ojai let Ojai change you.
And it's very appropriate for this valley. It's a beautiful valley and I cherish it and I hope that each and every one of you do the same. So thank you. Thank you for all the help everybody has assisted us in and I truly appreciate it. Like I say, I love this town so thank you.
And I can't let him go to a seat without acknowledging your sister who did make it tonight. Julie Tumamite Stensley is a Lifetime Achievement Award for this, well-deserved for both of you and I'm glad that we got to where we have recognized the two of you and your family for all that you've done for our valley for generations and generations, centuries. Thank you.
More to come, okay. Okay, Lifetime Achievement Award this year is going to a gentleman who went off on vacation to Europe. I traveled with her. I called him a couple weeks ago when you all agreed to his award he said hey Brian what are you doing? I just got out of the theater in whatever city in England he was. I'm like why did you call me then? So he got back last Friday, again traveling for 25 days with his wife and yeah he caught the cold on the plane on the way home. So Tony Thatcher who is our Lifetime Achievement Award winner is not here tonight I will make sure he gets the award Tony Thatcher and his family have been an integral part of Ojai history since 1887 when his grandfather, Edward Thatcher came to the valley to manage Ojai's first orange ranch.
The Thatcher family has established citrus olive industries. The Thatcher School, you might have heard of that. Founding of Nordoff High School in 1909, George Thatcher Memorial Library, 1893. I challenge you to go find it. Hasn't moved in a long time, right Susan? Incorporation of the City of Ojai and founding of the Ojai Tennis Tournament in the 1890s. Tony wrote a great book on that. He's helped Rotary Managed Affairs Ranches, Ojai Pixie Growers, Civic Association. He does so much. We are very grateful for all that Tony and his family have done for our valley and on behalf of Tony I thank you all for your support, for the Thatcher family, for Tony and very much appreciate that.
So
sure absolutely.
When I talked to Brian yesterday, I think, Brian said Tony is everything. Which I thought was great and Tony is everything. Tony's done so much over the decades and always such a community minded and generous person. I've had the opportunity to be in meetings with him in the last four years and he always brought tangerines which was so lovely. So congratulations Tony out there and we love you and we're so grateful to you.
Okay. And many thanks to Chair Akins for all your hard work and for making that happen. Appreciate it. We have one more presentation. It's from TRC companies, and they will present the city grant status update regarding energy efficiency. He's after.
Yes, Mayor. We have Walker Wells and Myra Vega who will present on Zoom. And Walker, you have the floor. We have your slides up here in council chambers and you're ready to go.
Okay, great. I wanted to be able to see the slides. I can't see them right now though.
I see typos everywhere. It's everywhere!
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Okay, thanks for the opportunity to present on the Energy Efficiency Code for the City of Ojai and the progress that's been made since May with the TRC team. My name is Walker Wells I'm with Ramey Associates part of that team just wanted to walk you through the progress has been made to date and go to the next slide. And I'm actually not able to see this slide so let me Okay, all right. I can just follow along here so on this timeline this is just here to remind us all that this is a continuum of effort that started 2017 but really picked up a lot of speed and emphasis with Ojai joining the Clean Power Alliance and having them be your electricity provider And you can see a number of steps on city policy, electrification of city facilities new construction code.
Moving us up to 2024 when we focused on existing buildings and really existing residential buildings. Uh, with the code that goes beyond state minimum standards. Next slide we looked at the characteristics of housing in Ojai and determine that the vast majority is single family 78%. And that there's a relatively even split between. Renters and owners, which makes us recognize and reminds us that there's sort of equity concerns in here and protecting.
Renters from displacement and not having energy efficiency being used as a vehicle of displacement. And then also relevant is that 93% of the housing stock was built before 1990, which means that a good portion of it could be ready for some type of upgrade whether that's adding installation to the attic changing out windows changing the water heater or the system.
So there can be a intersection of the intent of this policy with. The renovations that people may be undertaking next slide. So, what are local energy codes and why are they done? These codes will be adopted by local governments that want to exceed the state's minimum standards for green building and in the Title 24 Part 6 Energy Code. The cities that we're working with are doing this largely as part of their climate strategies whether it's a Climate Action Plan or Climate Emergency Declaration And by using less energy and certainly less fossil-based energy, we're reducing greenhouse gas emissions. There's also a co-benefit of improving air quality.
By improving energy performance there is also an economic benefit. Using less energy means you're buying less energy. And then from a bigger picture standpoint there is the benefit of increasing grid resiliency by using less energy and potentially making energy through photovoltaic panels on the building. Next slide please. So, the approach that we've arrived at over the past 6-7 months has been named FlexPath and that's because it gives people flexible pathways for achieving this higher level of energy efficiency.
And a key component of its design is to respond to the 9th circuit ruling on the Berkeley gas band and that ruling basically upheld The perspective that local governments are not allowed to regulate certain appliances and building systems, like hot water heaters and like air conditioners. So we have to ensure that people can comply with this ordinance without necessarily having the install those things that are regulated by the federal government.
We also need to make sure that there's a pathway that meets the cost effectiveness tests that are put in place by the State Energy Commission. So this approach does all of that. The intent is to let people pick what fits for their project, again whether it's insulation or heat pump hot water heater or photovoltaic panels and so they can select what works for their budget, the scope of their project, the relative age of systems in their building A positive element is that the administration process can be fairly streamlined and just fold it into the regular plan check process. It's basically a checklist where you would tick off the items that you're going to use, each has sort of a point value associated with it. You need to get a certain number of points and include those features in your project.
We're also seeing a number of peer cities adopting this approach. San Luis Obispo, Santa Cruz have adopted it without any legal challenges and we are currently working with West Hollywood and Santa Monica on a similar approach So, next slide and also last slide just to kind of give you a sense of the timeline. You know, we kicked off in May did some of this analysis I've talked about conducted 2 rounds of stakeholder engagement. In August with the business community and with the environmental community starting in September, we started drafting the ordinance that draft ordinance has been submitted to the city and an initial version for review. We're here today for the information session and the intent The rest of October, November and December is to finalize the ordinance and bring it back to you for 1st and 2nd readings.
Before the end of the year, um, once it's been approved at the local level that needs to go to the energy commission building standards Commission for approval. And usually go in that usually takes 2 to 3 months so likely would be able to go into effect sometime sometime in late February or March. And the last slide just says questions if you have any, and if there's an opportunity to take some. So thank you for your time really appreciate it.
Thank You Walker much appreciated any questions from Council? Well thank you again and we're really happy and grateful for your work and excited to see the ordinance so much appreciated All right, thank you very much. And we have now commission reports. We have a report from Chair Smitty of the Arts Department of Commission. Sorry.
I think it's great these kids are here, isn't it? They're gymnastics kids. I'm your arts commissioner and I say gymnastics are an art. Thank you liaison Whitman for checking in last week before we had our presentation 21 grant applicants this year so we're really excited to be in that process. I want to thank Councilperson Rule for kind of giving us a guidance that we were trying to follow to the number. Thank you for that. You'll hear more about that later. I will mention that on behalf of Commissioners Wright, Grouse, Steiner, Leeds and myself we're excited about moving our plan forward now one of the next One of the next steps in our plan was going to be a analysis and measurement of what the arts impact is in the valley, and that the county Department of Arts and Culture alerted me to grant opportunity available called a catalyst grant from the state.
For the central coast they include Ventura County in the in the Central Coast as well and he recommended that I apply so I got application in last week for an $250,000 accelerator grant it's called and we're going to be We'll be working on that over the next few weeks. So I just wanted to give you a quick little primer on What this is about? So the county's undergoing a high-level economic impact study of the creative economy across the county. The study will be a starting point for communities to understand and to nurture local quality jobs in the sector, especially for underserved constituents.
The creative economy, just a quick primer here refers to the economic activities that are driven by creative industries and occupations. It encompasses a wide range of sectors including the arts design media film and other industries that embed original ideas into the products or services is characterized by the economic value associated with goods services and intellectual property born of created work It's often grossly overlooked by government and school programs. So our catalyst grant is gonna have four parts, one will be actually undergoing a study to try to measure collect data surveys, economic indicators, social impact measurements, environmental benefits of what the arts are in our valley.
Two it's called an acceleration grant since we already have a plan and a grants program We're going to apply for $100,000 as part of this for our existing arts grants applicants as well over a three-year period to be able to augment or match with what the city is generously providing. And we want to also apply $50,000 to our mentorship program. We've recently formed an ad hoc committee for our... I wanna thank all our ad hoc committee members, our grants applicants, our murals and now our mentorship program. Every time we form a committee of artists professionals from the community To help us in making recommendations to council it really helps kind of pull and glue together our community, especially with our creative economy.
And then lastly and I will come revitalize our arts economy through better use of our existing resources if you were a little town. Somewhere out in Ventura County that said, oh we'd like a Libby Bowl and 2,000 art professionals so that we can be like Ojai. All right? You can't you can money can't buy that but we already have that and so we want to use it well I'll come up later during public comments on the on the bowl itself But I just wanted to give you an idea of what we're up to over at the Arts Commission
Thank you, Chair Smitty. Much appreciated and great plans. We're excited. Thank you for all your dedication. All right, we will give a hand. Yeah exactly Thank you and thank you for making our community more beautiful all right We'll move on to public communication And just a reminder that these this is the time for members of the public To address the City Council and items of business that are not on the agenda We can agendize these items for the future and we appreciate your input and participation Members of the public, while we value your enthusiasm please refrain from making side comments, clapping or of course booing. Please help model civility and respect even when we disagree and make it about policy and not personality. And just a reminder, we have a half an hour of public comments at the beginning.
So I'll take the first 10 cards that I received and then they will take the rest after our first discussion item. So we'll begin with Jolene Catlett, then Amelia Catlett and then Steve Quillacy.
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Catlett, just for the record. That's OK. My daughter's experience in the Ojai Gymnastics has been a shining example of empowerment through passion and supportive community. My daughter, now 10 years old, started at the age of two and has blossomed over the years. In the past year she's advanced two levels in nearing competition status. The gymnastics program supportive staff and community has fostered her dedication.
Her collegiate and Olympic ambitions underscore her remarkable progress for dedication. This journey showcases the resounding impact and the unwavering enthusiasm and supportive direction from the Ojai Valley Gymnastics. My daughter's story serves as one of hundreds of compelling arguments for preserving or improving the current gymnastics program. Ojai parents were surprised on October 11th when an email from Mr. Davis, head of the rec center revealed the city's plan to reduce the classes to two days a week this decision made without consultation And community input affects a vibrant program catering from ages two through adulthood and is always high in demand. We recognize its potential for development, connection and community.
We should be enhancing existing successful programs rather than diminishing them. Council members, Mr. Harvey I urge you to examine the Ojai Rec Center and ask the new manager about his modifications under his guidance flourishing programs have scaled back all of a sudden adult softball games necessitate staff supervision in a long established gymnastics program is being diminished with the intention of donating key equipment Over the past week and a half, I've engaged in numerous in-depth discussions in person and over social media with Valley residents. And not one individual expressed support for reducing our program.
Your ethics meeting this month highlighted proactive transparency where the assistant city attorney made the analogy if there's no dogs you don't build a dog park. I loved that by the way. Our community wants this program. Why dismantle programs enriching hundreds of youth and families annually instead of augmenting investments? Why conceal plans for months our valley prosperity hinges on cultivating youth let us advocate for their interest Lastly, to quote Mr. Randy Haney from the most recent article in Ojai Valley News, we demand the Recreation and Parks Commission to be fully staffed and engage in all discussions about the future of our programs. Thank you.
Thank You Julie
And once again, we do appreciate your enthusiasm. I'm going to ask everyone please no clapping. You can always do jazz hands if you agree. Thank you very much. Next we have Amelia Catlett and then Steve Quillacy and then Peyton Stafford.
Hi my name is Amelia and I am in gymnastics at the Rec Center. I'm in Superstars and I heard you're canceling that class after New Year's. I have been doing gymnastics since I was in Kinder Gym. Gymnastics has made me more strong brave and more independent. Me and my teammates are very sad and disappointed about your decision. Please keep everything the same and don't change it.
Thank you, Amelia. Next we have Steve Quillacy and then thank you for the jazz hands and then Peyton Stafford and then Maya Snowbarger.
Good evening. I come to you tonight as the commander of the Ojai Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 11461, and I want to thank you. First, I want to thank Christy Rivera for making it possible for us to have a dunk tank at Ojai Day. I know some of you saw it. Others of you participated. In particular, the mayor, the city manager and council members Lange and Rule all volunteered to be dunked.
And while I understand it violates your rules, I think you four are such good sports that you deserve a round of applause from this audience. Thank you.
Thank you, Steve. And I thank you, Duji, if you're out there. It was really, really fun and we got some kids with some good arms in this town. All right. Next, we have Peyton Stafford. Peyton here and then Maya and then Christina Snowbarger. Hi, my name is Peyton.
Hi, my name is Payton and I've been doing gymnastics for a while now. And it would be sad for you guys to take it away and if you did me and other friends of mine would be really sad of your guys's decision. And if we had like if you took away gymnastics, we would only have a certain amount of sports left. Thank you.
Thank you, Peyton. Next, we have Maya. Then we have Christina and then Steven Snowbarger.
Hi, I am Maya and I am a superstar in gymnastics. I have been going to Ojai Valley Gymnastics since I was two years old, and I'm asking you guys to please not get rid of some of the equipment and not cutting tumbling open gym and days off of gymnastics. I love gymnastics. It means so much to me and all of my friends that do gymnastics with me. And I am so sad that you are doing this
Thank you, Maya. Next we have Steven then Jamie Jones and then Holly Jones.
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Well before she said Christina Snowbarger and then Stephen.
Oh yeah, Christina first then Steven.
Hi, it's an honor to be here before you guys and thank you for all that you do. This is great for the children just to have this experience. I looked something up from the American Psychological Association on resilience, and there are variables for children growing up in this complex world. It can be hard for them to thrive. School-aged children are not only facing peer struggles but also unseen emotional pain, stress and even trauma that can be detrimental at a time where they should be having fun.
It's our job as parents and as a community to build resilience in our children Providing an opportunity for our children to connect with their peers so they have a network for social support strengthens resilience. Whether they realize it or not, children crave structure and we're obligated to provide opportunities for them to develop a regular routine. Rec Center activities teach our children the basics of self-care while implementing exercise and participation in activities they enjoy.
They provide opportunities for self-discovery which help our children to figure out what they're made of and who they are. Specifically, resilience facilitates balance and enables children to be more resilient during stressful times. As a community, oh wait specifically the gymnastics program is one that sets the children up with reasonable goals and helps them to move toward them one step at a time. They also work together and volunteer with lower levels to support each other in accomplishing and establishing goals.
As a community we need to be in collaboration to provide a variety of activities to cater to the likes and interests that are in demand for all of our children As a community, we have had our rights violated and we are determined to be able to come to the table to collaborate, navigate barriers and accommodate the community as a whole in addition to maintaining the healthy well-being of our children.
The REC department has been unjust and has already begun to cut programs and do away with program equipment before allowing the community an opportunity to come to the table for collaborations. We ask that no changes be made to the current program prior to the due process we're entitled to for collaborations that you guys are giving us on November 19th. We know that there is more than one way to skin a cat, and we ask that we're not forced to deprive our children when there's likely another way.
Thank you.
Thank you, Christina. Next, we have Steven, then Jamie Jones, then Holly Jones.
Thank you all for letting us be here tonight and wonderful to see our kids here too as well. I'm speaking on behalf of our daughters and the Ojai Valley Gymnastics Program through the City Rec Department, I'm sorry I had to write this because i'm not real good at speaking often anyway I was sad to hear that the decision was made to dismantle and scale down the gymnastics program without seeking input from our community and the people involved in such programs.
I have seen the way it just the announcement has affected our daughter Maya and her friends and the parents of this for this decision. I pray for all of you quiet your minds and soften your hearts. It's I would pray that you would quiet your mind, soften your hearts for our children because these type of programs have been the cornerstone of this valley for over 30 to 40 years now.
And I heard a great saying when I first walked in here it was from the mayor and she was saying while she was giving an award. She said we are the gatekeepers of the world but we're also the gatekeepers of our children in this community Please don't forget that and we are also the gatekeepers together to watch out for our children. Our children are the future by making these type of decisions you'll be causing damage to our children and our community, that's all I have thank you.
Thank You Steven next we have Jamie Jones then Holly Jones then Scott Miller
Hi, my name is Jamie Jones. I'm eight years old and I'm on pre-team. Please keep the equipment and we can share the gym. And we would be really disappointed if you would take away some of the equipment. Thank you.
Thank you, Jamie. Next, we have Holly Jones. And then Scott Miller.
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Hi there, I just want to speak on the most important thing is the fact that you guys are planning to get rid of the equipment. So if you guys get rid of the bars and the beams and the vault we'll just be left with mats which turns gymnastics into a tumbling class and I want to remind you guys that Matt Davis is getting rid of the tumbling class So I don't know what you plan to call this program without any equipment, but it doesn't make any sense. I urge you guys to come watch, come to a tiny tumbling class. See all those new parents meet other new parents that live in the valley.
Come watch these girls put equipment away at 730 PM after two and a half hour class. They're exhausted but they're putting the equipment away. Just come out, come see what these girls do. And also if you take this away we don't have softball. We don't have cheerleading. We don't have youth football anymore or baseball is down in Oakview now. We are so limited and also gymnastics isn't at the high schools. You can go play basketball, you can go play soccer, you can go play all these sports for middle school and for high school. You can't go play gymnastics at Nordoff.
So if you eliminate it, you're completely taking it out of the valley. And sometimes it's impossible for families to get to Ventura. Okay? Thank you. Thank you Holly. Next we have Scott Miller.
Hi there, my name is Scott Miller. I'm working with Brian Johnson to hopefully make Ojai a Don't Die City. I know this sounds kind of strange but he has dedicated his life to improving everyone's life and we're in a really delicate stage in our evolution or transition from AI to the environment and all kinds of challenges that we're facing And the Don't Die philosophy is basically going to a vegetarian diet and protecting our environment and working together. And I'm personally working with him, and I would like to encourage everybody to take the time to understand his philosophy of don't die.
And I'd like to leave some paperwork for the City Council. Thank you.
Thank you, Scott. All right. That was a 10 comments. So we will take the rest of the comments after our first discussion item. So right now we will move on to consent calendar. Mayor. Yeah.
What? There were a lot of really short.
OK. OK,
five more.
Five more than more. OK because the comments were so short, we're going to take five more. First, we have John Boetti then Tina Abbey and then Camille Holly.
Good evening Council. At the mayoral candidate debate held by the League of Women Voters a few weeks ago, the subject of the City Hall encampment came up. Specifically, the subject of the locations suggested by the OI Board of Realtors was mentioned. Mr. Gilman, one of the candidates running for mayor made a comment that I found curious he said quote Some of the locations that were presented by the Ojai Board of Realtors were omitted from consideration and we don't know why I would like to know why that is unquote That surprised me because I was under the impression that all the recommendations were considered.
So, I'm asking that the City Manager shed some light on Mr. Gilman's comment? I think it would be what the public would like to know.
Thank you John.
Thank you.
Mr. City Manager could you shed a little light on that please?
Sure, Mayor. So the direction from the City Council what I recall and you can check the minutes on this if you want to confirm it was that the city manager was supposed was directed to work with the Board of Realtors to vet a list of potential properties and so to that end I met with the Board of Realtor's probably three or four different times going through a list of properties that they had come up with Some properties that were on their initial draft list were removed for a couple of reasons. One of the instructions that I gave the realtors was that if there were property owners who were not supportive of the proposed project, we shouldn't have them on the list because this was going to be a very public process and you know their name was going to be out there and if they weren't behind the project, there just was no point in subjecting the city or them to that.
The other thing that we talked about as far as properties on the list was there were some that were in the industrial area of the Bryant Circle area town and I told the realtors I'd been approached before this project independently by a number of different council members on their desire to not have additional housing in that area so Knowing that council members had talked to me about that. I didn't see a reason to bring forward Properties in that area either so with that we ended up with the properties that were brought to the council and Having been involved in this project for a long time I can tell you That I'm not surprised that there were very short list of properties because it's not an easy thing to cite Thank you very much
Thank you, Mr. City Manager. Next we have Tina Abbe and then Camille Hawley and then Lenny Leonard-Claife.
Hi my name is Tina Abe and I just want to make sure you all know how vital the gymnastics program is to the youth of the city of Ojai. My daughter Cammie has participated since 2014, first as a gymnast in the STARS program then a team member and now as a coach when she comes home from school. She can't be here tonight because she's a junior at Cal Poly Pomona.
She's an RA and a member of the Kellogg Honor College and I say that not just to brag about her But when it came time to write her college essays, guess what she chose to write about? All the lessons she learned at Ojai Valley Gymnastics. That program left a permanent mark on her in all the ways we want our children to be affected. It taught her perseverance, how to set goals and work hard to reach them, how to pick yourself up after a fall both literally and figuratively And what it means to be part of a team that celebrates not only your own accomplishments, but every accomplishment of your teammates.
Every kip, every handstand, every back handspring is a victory. I hope you can recognize the importance of this 40 plus year tradition in Ojai and I look forward to seeing it continue for many years to come. Thank you.
Thank you Tina. Next we have Camille and then Leonard Claife and then Dale.
Good evening. My name is Camille Hawley. Sorry, I'm really nervous. Okay, I'm a lifelong resident of Ojai. I see a lot of familiar faces in the audience and some up here. While I realize there's going to be a special meeting on November 19th regarding changes to the Ojai gymnastics program, I feel it's important to convey my message urgently. I am a parent of a 10-year-old child currently enrolled in the Ojai Valley Gymnastics program. My daughter has been consistently enrolled in the program for one and a half years, but first began in the Tiny Tumbler Parent and Child Program with me several years ago. Currently she attends gymnastics a minimum of three days a week and sometimes four.
She's not here tonight because she is at rehearsal for her play, which she does on the fifth night of the week. I'm here tonight to express my concern about decisions made by our City Council and current Director of Parks and Recreation during a closed session meeting last June that makes significant changes to the current gymnastics program. I received an email from Matt Davis on the evening of October 10th four months after the aforementioned closed session meeting communicating a decision to reduce the gymnastics program to two potentially consecutive days per week effective January 2025.
In this email, there were vague and unclear messages about why our thriving program is being cut back. We need transparency and clarity please. The decision to cut practice back to two days made without input from the community parents or the gymnasts themselves is not conducive to maintaining a successful or sustainable program nor is it in the spirit of healthy community leadership.
It's imperative that gymnasts consistently work out and train to maintain an increased strength, flexibility technique and knowledge of the gym apparati as they strive to always improve. And build upon their skills with the goal of advancing to competitive level in the sport. Unfortunately these opportunities will be abruptly taken away. From our hardworking kids, valuable equipment purchased by parent-led fundraising group will be given away and we still haven't been told which programming is intended to occupy the gymnasium. Only that quote the city is exploring opportunities to allow a variety of programming and events to all members of the Ojai community end quote. No data has been shown that justifies a clear reason for this decision and our kids are being unfairly castigated as a result.
The legacy of our youth gymnastics program in Ojai spans decades and has always been a reliable option for the children of Ojai There is currently no alternate venue in the valley to compete in or practice gymnastics. However, there are many venues where residents can play basketball, volleyball, pickleball and otherwise congregate. And the gymnastics program has historically accommodated youth basketball programs when they're in season.
I'm out of time but you cannot put a price on the sense of safety, health and well-being that our primarily adolescent girls
Thank you, Camille. Next we have Leonard Klaif and then Dale.
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Good evening everyone. Leonard Klaif. I live in the city of Ojai. Sometime last week I was at a stop sign in my car on the corner of Aliso and Signal and a bicyclist came running through that intersection without slowing down without looking right or left, going probably 25 miles an hour. Cyclists complain all the time about motorists not sharing the road with them and it should be vice versa as well.
I see this regularly. I've stopped one bicyclist, I followed him until he got off his bike and I stopped my car and I had a conversation with him and basically he thought it was God given right to do whatever he wanted irrespective of traffic laws. If I hit a bicyclist, I'm going to be fine. My car might get a little dented but not enough for me to care. But I might kill that person and I would feel awful probably for the rest of my life if I were to kill someone. If i see this happening regularly which I do My assumption is that the police officers who are traveling the streets of Ojai also have to see it fairly regularly. And I am curious as to whether or not and how often police stop and ticket.
cyclists for totally ignoring the traffic rules. And on a lesser level, the same applies to pedestrians. I cannot tell you how often I see somebody crossing Matilija High Street with their head down looking at their cell phone, looking neither right nor left and walking at a diagonal so to maximize the amount of time they're in the middle of the street. If people are not going to use their common sense to protect the public from being the cause of somebody getting killed or injured badly, I would hope occasionally they get ticketed. I think if you start once or twice or three or four times as I said before about speeding Word will get around and people will at least slow down as they approach an intersection, will at least look to their left and their right and save some lives.
I've got 32 seconds. I'm at the Art Center we have a lot of kids in our productions there it's fabulous for kids to have an activity that brings all sorts of positive attributes of discipline and work and cooperation etc seems to me the same applies to gymnastics thank you
Thank you, Lynn. Next we have Dale.
I'm Dale Hanson and I live in the city of Ojai. I also vote in the city of Ojai and most of you probably already voted but I hope that you will consider Measure O and vote no on Measure O. It is about the constant noise that the people who live there have to endure Oh passes, it will be terrible for these people. And there's nothing they can do because the pickle players and we love Pickleball don't get me wrong those of us that are voting no on we have nothing against Pickleball is a wonderful sport everyone should do it but not in a neighborhood if you look if you Google Pickleball you'll see all across the nation that it's not allowed in neighborhoods and it's a problem if it isn't a neighborhood And I hear people saying that, you know, it's just one or two people.
No, it's not. It's a neighborhood over there that is bothered by the noise. If this measure passes, there'll be no break for these people. Please vote no on O. And on another subject, these gymnastic kids. Let's do something for them. Thank you.
Thank you, Dale. All right we will take the rest of public comment after our first agenda item and we'll move on to the consent calendar. We have several public comments on consent would anyone like to is there a motion to approve consent?
I want to pull G.
OK, is there a second to the
public comments?
Yeah.
Do we need to pull?
Yeah. Let's go ahead and take all the public comments first. All right. We'll take the public comments first. First, we have Kathleen Smith on E and Bill Miley on E and then Bill Miley on F. Okay.
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In 2009, veterinarians at UC Davis examined the health records of 759 Golden Retriever males. What they found was that a significant number of dogs neutered before 12 months developed hip dysplasia as adults. This confirmed that hormones play a much bigger role in dog's overall health and development than previously realized. The hormones are involved in setting the time when the growth plates of the legs close. Early neutering allows the leg bones to grow too long, and they don't match well in the joint. That's why you see an increase in some breeds in elbow dysplasia, hip dysplasia or cranial cruciate tears.
That same lack of sex hormones can also increase the likelihood of cancers affecting bones, blood vessels and lymph nodes. So I encourage you to look at this chart published by UC Davis in August of this year. It now comprises the optimal is a chart that provides, comprises the optimal time to spay or neuter 41 popular dog breeds. Your one size fits all approach to mandatory spay-neuter is not rooted in science or even in the best interests of the dogs you claim to care about and clearly weight is not a reliable guideline either As evidenced by the recommended age of 24 months before spaying a Shih Tzu female.
And within individual breeds, there is a difference between male and female also recommended times. I don't doubt your good intentions, but what i find is disconcerting was at the last meeting when a council member says well when does a female, when does the average female go into season? I think you should know that if you are trying to pass this legislation.
If you're going to overreach, and I do believe that the ordinance is an overreach then I think you have a responsibility to have more than a cursory understanding of the ramifications And so I ask the following questions. How did the council come by its knowledge of all aspects of this very complicated issue? What budget has been allocated for increased litigation? You're interfering in what rightfully should be a decision between an owner and his veterinarian.
There's science to back up an approach different than what you're trying to oppose.
Thank You Kathleen next we have Bill Miley on the same item
Hello question Why are we eliminating the reproductive ability of dogs and cats living within the city limits when there's no data presented as to the excessive number of animals needing services of non-profit county animal control services? It is most likely excessive numbers of animals come from unincorporated areas. It would seem easy to find out by getting the data from the animal control services, where did the dogs come from?
Right now we have nothing to go on except the draft ordinance and stories from advocates. Let's see the evidence. Also unless I missed it there's no exemption for legitimate dog and cat breeders. That's
E thank you.
This has to do
with unethical breeding. Considering, again there's no data showing how many dogs
are living within the city limits of Ojai
And that there are different veterinarian and breeder opinions about the degrees of breeding physical structures and levels of handicap. It's my opinion, this intellectual statement should not be in ordinance but it should be only a resolution so I urge a no vote. However if the council chooses to enact this as an ordinance It might be interesting to put the principal author's name in the ordinance.
Maybe 100 years from now, people might wonder where this came from. Thank you.
Thank you Bill on the same item we have Teresa Schumacher DVM.
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Hi, my name is Teresa Schumacher. I'm a veterinarian. I graduated from UC Davis 2015 and I apologize I only found out about this agenda item today from Dale so I wasn't prepared to talk a lot about this but I am very passionate about this topic The unethical breeding of animals. It's a big topic in debate and veterinary medicine right now. I'm an emergency veterinarian, I've worked in emergency and critical care for almost 10 years and I got to the point recently where I almost considered a career change because the amount The number of dogs I've seen that have genetic hereditary issues that could have been easily prevented is just off the charts. These cases come in sick, having issues they were born with. They can't breathe. Their gastrointestinal tracts don't work.
Chronic upper airway issues that are basically in a chronic hypoxic state, meaning they don't have enough oxygen. And for the I'm specifically talking about brachycephalic breeds of French bulldogs, pugs, bulldogs. We all love them. I'm not attacking the dogs. I don't think anyone in this room would say they have anything against the dogs themselves. But for me, it's heartbreaking as a veterinarian to see case after case after case of these animals that come in Actively suffering with issues that we could have prevented by having some control over the breeding situation.
It's not just in Ojai, it's nationwide, it's everywhere. It's not just the medical issues that these animals face themselves but there are repercussions We have a lot of backyard breeding going on right now, because these animals are so popular. Everyone wants a French bulldog right now. So there are backyard breeders popping up everywhere. There's not enough regulations to control that.
And then we end up with a lot of these animals in shelters, overcrowding shelters because of their medical issues. I work with a lot of organizations in L.A. that are trying to get these animals out of the shelters, but they all need a lot of really expensive veterinary care or they're going to be euthanized and I think I have a unique perspective here. I've had to euthanize a lot of dogs because of these genetic issues because the owners can't afford care.
And as an animal advocate someone who promotes animal welfare, I fully support opposing unethical breeding. Thank you.
Thank you, Teresa. Next we have Leonard Claife on G and then Bill Miley on H.
Good evening again, Leonard Claife, I still live in the city of Ojai. This is not a biggie, but it was just really puzzling Reading the staff report and trying to figure out what this was about. Vehicle Code section 40203.5 provides that as possible, the fines for parking violations in each city in the county should be uniformed. That's the statute. The statute was last amended in 2010, that brings up the question why now?
Are we wasting any time or money talking about this? It's also not mandatory so that brings up the question why do we
care
and even more puzzling to me is that the staff report strikes me as being totally inadequate for you to make a decision on whether to pass this because the ordinate, the statute talks about all the cities in a county and the staff report only talks about Ojai or Oxnard and that we should emulate Oxnards fine schedule. Without knowing what's in Simi Valley, what's in Santa Paula or any other city and the county.
And also it doesn't talk about why we have not approached Oxnard and asked them to lower their fines for parking to match ours. What is this about, is I think a fair question to ask before you all vote. It's also rather absurd when was the last time anyone was ticketed for double parking in the city of Ojai? When was the last time any truck that parks in the middle of the street, sometimes when they're unloading goods and police chief can answer this. When was the last time they were ticketed?
It's as I understand it, it's the county sheriff's department that's responsible for parking tickets or traffic violations. They can't stop speeders apparently because they're too busy on other calls. I can't imagine them spending a whole lot of time ticketing trucks that are unloading beer at the bars. This is like a totally, again, I could be missing something. It's happened in the past that I don't quite understand the importance of something but what is this about? Why are we wasting even my two minutes and 45 seconds so I'll stop, thank you.
Thank you, Len. And next we have Bill Miley on H. Oh,
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I can't digest.
Well, the basic thought here is residential growth, but in the report it talks about ozone levels At the street level and at Ventura County Fire Station in East End. And the quote is, this monitoring site continues to record the highest ozone levels in Ventura County. Just there wherever it is. Our council and administration subpublic members keep focusing on the need to bring down greenhouse gases good Vehicles are a major, if not the largest element of greenhouse gas. According to the Federal EPA it can be up to 39%. That's a lot here in Ojai.
And I gave you some references so that what I'm saying here is substantiated. But with our city's major climate crisis goal of reducing greenhouse gases, I believe we need a major focus on parking fossil fuel vehicles quickly. They come into town, they park. The EVs they can drive around. We need more strategically-sighted city parking lots to reduce driving about to find an open parking spot if you have a fossil fuel vehicle.
Okay? We need to encourage and support EV vehicles with easier charging and sighted parking for them, and here's a new idea Citizens sometimes don't go downtown, they say. Because there's too many cars? No place to park? Whatever. We should designate a resident-only parking spot downtown where residents get special tickets to use to get in. Let's give them some benefits of all the tourist money that comes to town.
And here is something a lot of people aren't going to like. We need a roundabout at the Y.
Why don't we just get the whole city council
fired? 10 to 15, 20 years ago there was huge arguments and people were really upset about this. But I think we oughta do that. They don't stop, they don't idle but we need a pedestrian crossway and I'm ready to receive all sorts of criticism from people who don't like it anyway.
Thank you Bill. Any comments online Weston?
Yes mayor and right now I'm speaking to our zoom participants with raised hands we have completed our first portion of general public comment and we are on our consent calendar. Sunny you have the floor, you may unmute if you have a comment on our consent calendar. Sunny will give you one more chance before we move on. And we'll move on. Norman, you are next with a raised hand. You may unmute and speak on a consent calendar comment.
I apologize. I wanted to speak on F, so I'll go back on mute and raise my hand when F is available.
You have the opportunity to speak on F now. Thank you for asking.
Okay. Well, my name's Norman. I apologize for not being here today. I'm traveling for work. I never participated in any one of these meetings but I'm a casual listener online I want to tell the story of my dog Millie. About 10 years ago, I was in the market for finding a new companion because my other dog had passed away. I had a friend who was a veterinary and also a breeder French bulldogs and I was assured that Millie would be a healthy animal that all the testing that could be done genetic and physical had been done and that these would be a really great dog. Well, Millie was an amazing dog.
She was fully grown she was 25 pounds but she had a 2500 pound personality I started to notice that she was making weird noises in fact my little niece decided to start calling her the piggy puppy because Millie wasn't able to breathe I had another friend who was a pulmonologist, that's a doctor that specializes in breathing tell me that if Millie was his patient he would have recommended her to surgery. So I confronted my other friend who was the veterinarian and breeder and said hey i think something's wrong with Millie she told me that this guy didn't know what he was talking about she was a veterinarian her dogs were champion you know champions of their breed He should stay in his lane, so I took her word. So for another seven and a half years Millie struggled to breathe until one day we were at the park and she was playing with another dog and she couldn't self-regulate her heat by panting.
She got out of breath and I ended up having to take her to the ER where I was told that she needed to have surgery or that she was going to die So we had one surgery, and then we had another surgery. And finally I found a specialist in Champaign Illinois that was doing new surgical techniques that would fix the supposedly fix this problem. I drove Millie all the way to Champaign Illinois and had the surgery done I spent north of $25,000 on veterinary bills.
I was blessed to be able to afford that but alas Millie's breathing did improve for a little bit but not enough and she ended up expiring and I just wanted to tell her story and have it on record and keep the gymnastics program for these girls thank you
Thank you Norman. Is that it online? That's all okay we have one more in the house Jeffrey Starkweather on H.
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The growth management plan, which is not in effect thanks to state law but its purpose is to as stated protect the air quality noise impact reductions fire hazard mitigation reduction I can hardly read this Of associated environmental impacts and mitigation of the impacts of additional construction and travel emissions on climate change. Since 2003, between 2003 and 2017 we had it under, we were under our assigned amount of houses by 11 per year In other words, this was determined what we could do and maintain the environmental quality in all these factors we're talking about.
We got up to 177. Since then, we've averaged an under-building of 13.5 per year. We are now at 258. So when people say we're over building or their fear of building We have been way under building in terms of meeting environmental quality and noise and other factors based on our own growth management plan. Thank you.
Thank you, Jeffrey. All right that concludes the public comments on consent. Council Member Francina, you wanted to pull G?
I want to comment on almost everything that was pulled. This might be the night that I really lose it. Don't lose it! I like to do things in an orderly fashion and respond to each Separate item it makes just I'm a writer that makes more sense to me but first of all, I want to thank Teresa Schumacher the veterinarian for her comments and Millie's owner and actually what I wanted do. I don't want to confuse F I don' t want to I want to separate the spay neuter ordinance and Item f which is The, the broke the prohibition on unethical breeding.
That's separate for those of you that don't know me I am a commissioner with interior county animal services. I visit the Ojai Humane Society almost weekly so I'm acutely aware of the number of dogs that are in the overcrowding of the county shelter. And here in Ojai, for example, a few weeks ago, the mother and the father and seven puppies were brought to our Ojai shelter. Someone in Ojai or in the Ojai Valley It is a problem locally.
And I'm going to read just a few points, the motivation behind this spay and neuter ordinance. On the health issues that were raised, the legitimate health issues. People should in case you don't know 7 million dogs and cats are euthanized every year because shelters are too full. I believe that's nationwide homeless animals outnumber humans five to one. That's primarily dogs and cats but other animals might have been included 90% of pets coming into shelters are not spayed or neutered, more than 25% of dogs are pure breeds that are indiscriminately breeding.
Only one out of 10 dogs born will ever find a forever home. That's some of the key reasons why Ojai a few years ago actually adopted a city ordinance that mostly models the county ordinance. And I'm very proud that Ojai did that because we, as a commissioner, we asked all the commissioners to have their city adopt a spay-neuter ordinance and Ojai was one of the few that did because it is controversial.
So I believe that the current ordinance as written with the changes that we made addresses, allows a veterinarian and their owner to make exemptions. If there's... I'm correct right? We address that in the rewritten ordinance so I would be... I think we should take it one at a time because I want
Subsection D is an exception from the spay and neuter requirement for a dog or a cat with the licensed veterinarian specifying.
Yeah, so I don't know if my colleagues are ready to include D and adopt it or if you have concerns that I haven't
raised? I think you're the only one.
Mayor Pro Tem? Well I was just going to comment on E
Well, so why don't we
address II and I'll make my comments unless you're you have more to make about II
Well, I'm asking our city attorney. Can we adopt one at a time?
Absolutely the council could vote on the items individually
Yeah So can we vote on on e or their further comments from my colleagues?
I think the mayor pro tem had comments on me and then it would be reasonable to vote
Okay
Yeah, my only comments are these. I appreciate that I raised concerns about large breed animals and that the rest of the council was willing to make those changes and for that reason I am supporting this. I do want to raise though that one of our speakers mentioned that there are some smaller breeds that have some scientific support for the idea that their time for neutering should be extended also.
And what I want to promise to anyone from the public, if they bring forward scientific information to me, I will help them look at making an amendment to this based upon scientific information that their period of time before neutering should be extended.
And may I comment as part of this, as it stands now they can go to a veterinarian and get permission to extend. But having said that What I'm, you know we cannot always reach the ideal. Perhaps the ideal is to allow a dog to have its first heat or whatever but unfortunately the truth of the matter is that not everyone is responsible and these exemptions can result in millions more dogs suffering for not just one year like it's two three years they're in the shelter until they're euthanized because of kennel stress I mean, if you do not believe me, I invite you to visit the shelter, volunteer and then you will see why this restriction is, why this ordinance is needed.
So do we vote?
We have nine items on the consent
calendar.
I understood that Council Member Francina pulled items E, F and I believe previously G so those three gets voted separately and then we'll deal with after that the rest of them.
Okay
so vote on E. So in order now for a motion if the council so desires on item E
Okay, do
you want to make a motion? Yeah, I'll make a motion that we adopt item E as part of the consent calendar.
Okay, I will second that Roll call we need it or
ordinance. Oh, yeah roll
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion that we adopt item E as part of the consent calendar. Okay, I will second that Roll call we need it or ordinance. Oh, yeah roll call.
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I And then you want to move on to F.
Yes, I feel like we've had enough testimony with the story of Millie and the comments from the veterinarian Theresa Schumacher and at the last meeting we had a slideshow presentation about the unethical breeding of companion animals And I don't know that we need to go through all that again. I'm ready to make a motion that we also adopt consent item F.
Okay, I'll second it.
Okay roll call
Roll-call vote Passed 4–1 motion that we also adopt consent item F. Okay, I'll second it. Okay roll call
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Motion passes 4-1
And then on item G, I echo all the comments made by a member of the public, distinguished members of the public, Lenny Klaif who would be sitting here except for he lost twice by two votes. And I'm sorry about that or something close to that. So, I would like the City Attorney to explain why he felt this is important and why Oxnard. Why are we modeling Oxnard?
Happy to explain. So we are updating the bail schedule amounts as the Sheriff's Office, after having issued a number of citations over the years, needs to reprint their citation books and in that creolized us to take a look at the bail amounts. The bail amounts date from some decades ago and we thought that it was time given the council's directive previously to focus on traffic concerns And on appropriately regulating tourism, who often are the folks who park illegally. That this is an opportunity to revisit and look at the bail amounts we took a look at them. And as laid out in the staff report, but for parking into disabled zone our fines are fairly low 2 digits some as low as 38 dollars.
Perhaps not much of a deterrent for some of our wealthy tourists. So we took a look at updating the fine schedule, we looked around the county some of our peer cities are fairly low as well also with long, long histories of their fine schedules. Others are more recently updated Oxnard is the In our opinion, a good model and on that front and as relatively recently updated bail schedule. So we took a look at Oxnard as our model. I will note that of the two fees, the two that I expect to see the most citations for given enforcement priorities from the Sheriff's Department are going to be the bus zone fee which is updated to 250 and the disabled parking zone fee updated to 350 with that staff would recommend adoption. Thank you.
Well, that makes it a little more sense but So it hasn't been changed since 2010. The statute
was updated in 2010, these fees predate that I'm not sure if we have the exact year but it's been some some years since our fees have had been in place some more than 2010. We'll get the exact number if you want and if I can respond to last point from Mr. Klaif. If the council would like us to consider asking other cities to lower their fees to match our older lower fees we'd be happy to do that but I would need majority direction
OK, so the bus zone. That's the biggest jump I really don't know. I don't really have a problem with this, except I'm wondering if the state is saying that it should be county wide. So every city,
the states trying to encourage all of the cities in the county to get together and have the same fee schedule No county that I'm aware of has achieved that because there's 476 cities across 58 counties and they can't agree on whether the sky is blue, let alone fee amounts. But they're trying to encourage this so we're moving it forward but it's not a hard requirement.
Okay so you came up with these figures based on?
Consultation with staff, consultation with the chief of police and again taking a look at Oxnard which is one of the more recently updated schedules around the county.
Okay, would you like to make a motion?
I'll let somebody else make the motion. Okay, I'll make the motion. So that the arm is... Okay,
second?
I' ll second
it. To adopt the rest of the consent
items. No, to adopt G.
And
then we'll vote on the
rest.
Okay, roll call on that one please.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion. So that the arm is... Okay, second? I' ll second it. To adopt the rest of the consent items. No, to adopt G. And then we'll vote on
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Motion passes
Councilmember Peruzza.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 Motion passes Councilmember Peruzza. Yes, on the remainder of the consent calendar.
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I just want to make clear so it's clear to the public that item H since we had a lot of comments is simply receive and file we're not changing anything right
correct okay and it's not enforceable under state law okay
All right, wonderful. We will move on to discussion item two commercial concert programming sound and entertainment management at Libby Bowl and we have a staff report
Yes, Mayor. We have a brief staff report from yours truly and also two presentations for the respective options that you've been provided as part of the staff report because I know that you've already read the agenda report pretty thoroughly I'm going to be fairly brief but As your city manager here since late January, it's been my delight to discover the wonders of Ojai of which there are many aside from the natural beauty, the historic buildings, the people who live here. One of the coolest things that you have in town in my view is your concert venue event space in the middle of your downtown in Libbey Park, Libby Bowl So tonight I'm pleased to give you two very solid options for how you may wish to proceed with the commercial programming.
One option is to continue with your current partner, Sterling Venue Ventures and afford them an additional four-year extension as part of their existing agreement Sterling, as everyone here knows, delivers an excellent concert season and has done so since 2017. It's a known track record bringing many terrific performers here to Ojai. However, you also have an additional option. We have gone through an RFP process and received responses.
Staff has reviewed the responses and is also pleased to recommend to you a local option, Ojai Valley Music comprised of David Berger, Marcos Schaefer and Martin Fleischman three local individuals with deep ties in the music industry who are offering a different concept for programming at the Libby Bowl. So rather than hearing me extol the virtues of either one, we've asked Mr. Lance Sterling who I believe I have seen here yes he is right there To give a presentation what I'd like to do is have Mr. Sterling provide a presentation to you Then allow for Ojai Valley music to provide a presentation to you we've asked for each to be five minutes Council will then have time for questions of either the presenters or staff And then we would go out to public comment and then bring it back to you for discussion And with that, I'd like to ask Mr.
Lance Sterling to please come up to the podium to provide his presentation followed by Ojai Valley music representatives. Thank you.
My name is Lance Sterling and it's an honor to speak in front of you. And just to start off, I'm also nervous Nellie when it comes to...I like to produce concerts. I don't like to speak in front of people. So we've been producing concerts at the Libby Bowl for approximately a year. We produced over 150 concerts Some of the artists include Air Supply, Ben Harper, Bruce Hornsby, Buddy Guy, Chris Isaac, Dark Star Orchestra, Dave Mason, Government Mule, Kris Kristofferson, Los Lobos, Michael McDonald, Rick Springfield, The Temptations, Thievery Corporation, Whalers, Todd Rundgren, War, Tower of Power, Vampire Weekend, Postmodern Jukebox.
Average White Band, Blood Sweat & Tears and Blue Oyster Cult, Jen Blossoms, Kenny G and Big Bad Voodie Today as many more. We also have been very conscious of trying to book concerts that the Ojai residents and that would reflect nicely on Ojai. In our business, there is a ton of different entertainment that you can do and sometimes the different entertainment may come with more security concerns or older people where you have more handicap issues.
And we also were very conscious about price because we have a lot of those big names and a lot of those big names are making $50,000 to $100,000. And when you have a 1,200 seat venue, you can imagine that might drive prices up quite high. So we also supplement with a bunch of tributes which have now become actually more popular Don't Stop Believing and others. To do concerts, which I'm happy to hear that the Ojai Music Group is involved in this, to do concerts it's a lot more complicated than people think there's advertising marketing producing tickets you know we have a fleet of sprinter vans we have a fleet of trucks and trailers and sound systems because everybody has something different So when I first got into the industry, I did not understand the multi-million dollars that you need backing you up.
We of course would love to extend our contract but what we really want is what's best for Ojai and we do have the sound systems and I think my competitor is...I can say nothing but good things about him And I've been in the industry for a while. Currently, because of the pandemic we took about a $22 million hit and we have been recovering from that. So currently we operate Agoura Hills, Redondo Beach, Montclair, Oxnard, Saban. We just picked up the Dolby Theater in Hollywood. I'm the chief entertainment officer for them And we are also opening a 3,500 seat in American Dream Mall attached to MetLife Stadium in New Jersey. So I am here to help if you need me. I'm here or I can work with or anybody you need to. The concert business is as my competitor will tell you it's not a very profitable business then but most of us are so stupid we don't get out of it.
Thank
you
very much. Any questions?
Can we have an opportunity to ask questions again after the next speaker?
Sure, yeah okay all right and then now we have Ojai Valley Music
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I guess I'm going to be the next guy who says, I'm not used to being in front of people. I brought some notes. Good evening Mayor. Betsy, Mayor Sticks and members of the council. We want to thank you for this opportunity first off for choosing our proposal and giving us the chance to be up here. And
Marco, do you mind introducing yourselves? Thank you.
OK. My name is Marco Schaefer and I'm with Ojai Valley Music. I'm the owner of The Talent Buyer of the Hotel Cafe, an independent music venue that has been the cornerstone of live music for almost 25 years in Los Angeles. So I am very nervous. I''m also the owner of the Ojai Noodle House here in Miners Oaks. I think many of you have been there My family and I moved to Ojai in 2019. It was the best decision we've ever made, and we're really happy to call Ojai our home.
With me behind me are Martin Fleischman and David Berger, my partners in Ojai Valley Music. They'll be coming up here in a minute. I'm gonna take this short and sweet We are up here tonight And we put on our proposal because we want to see Libby Bowl become something that serves Ojai better Better for music lovers better with the community better for local businesses and better for families just better for everyone We feel that every show at Libby should be something that is engaging to audiences and meaningful With all the relationships we've made collectively with agents, managers and artists over the past 25 years in the music business. We plan on bringing a higher caliber of music to the bowl between David Martin and I, we have over 75 years experience in the live music industry.
We have the relationships to go with it. We have the artists that are friends, agents that are friends and managers that are friends. We're going to use and leverage these relationships to kind of help develop a good series for the Libby Bowl. The Libby Bowl really is an underutilized gem. We all see it, we all talk about it so let's change that. Community events have been the cornerstone of what Libby Bowl is. We look forward to expanding on these and making easier for the community to produce them.
Being local operators will help us with that process. We want to strengthen relationships with all the local arts organizations in schools. We plan on installing a permanent sound and lighting system that will live at the bowl throughout the season We want to have local food and beverage vendors at all the events. We plan on a local box office that will be open during playhouse hours where the community can come and purchase tickets before they go on sale to the public.
And lastly, we really want to have local artists open the shows. There are so many amazing musicians and artists who live in Ojai when we want to feature them opening for shows at The Bowl. There's so many ways in which The Bowl can be better for their greater Ojai community. We really just want to lean into that and make Olivia Bowl better for everyone. Thanks
for your time. I had to be quick. Hi, my name is Martin Fleischman. I'm principal of Ojai Valley Music with my partners. I appreciate this opportunity to speak with you about our potential management at Louisville Bowl. My name might be familiar to those of you... My father ran the Ojai Music Festival for several years and his My name is on the sound arch, it's dedicated to him.
My company Roman Humble produces concerts at Santa Monica Pier, Hollywood Bowl for the city of Los Angeles and also Dave and I produced a festival at Libby Bowl in 2022 We recognize that Libby is part of Ojai's Commons, and my partners and I have discussed supporting community presenting organizations. We have a tremendous amount of experience that we can impart to those organizations within the community.
Also, we are open to co-promoting concerts. This is a standard form of business that I've done throughout my career where we co-promote with other presenters and that will help expand the offerings at Libby Bowl. And we're just very excited to potentially steward this next evolution of Libby.
Sorry, I was gonna wear my clear glasses but it's too bright in here for me so My name is David Berger. I live in minors. I'm nervous. I don't usually hide in the theater I'm the owner of though. I play house. I love Ojai It's a magical place I'm grateful to be I'm grateful to be here and grateful for the opportunities that were given to
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Okay, sorry the mic gets cut after five minutes. We're pretty strict but thank you very much David. And thank you to Marco, Martin and David for that. And now we'll move on to questions. Any questions from council? Council Member Francina.
I have questions. And I'm going to try to be careful not to veer into discussion which will come after public comment. But my question, my questions relate Number amendment, what do you call it? The C item which is attachment C. Which is the final score for Libby Bowl proposals 2024. I would like to go through those points and not maybe all of them but ask how You know, this was the two were very first of all.
I recognize that we're very, very fortunate to have two excellent. We have one proposal from the new people, but we have a contract with Sterling, which is quite detailed and Let me let me see how to ask my questions Okay, so forth for the public This in-house staff two staff members and our city manager scored a The two, well there's actually three but two qualified. Sterling and Ojai Valley Music.
And-
I'm sorry Mr. City Manager?
Yeah, I need to explain my question. How do you... Okay so I'm noticing that Sterling because he did not submit a proposal lost five points on that.
No, no.
So how does that work? How does the scoring work
So I believe that the staff report is fairly clear. If you look at the recommendation, we are asking council to choose from either extending the existing agreement with Sterling Venue Ventures or selecting staff's recommendation from the RFP process. Sterling did not participate in the RFP process because they have an existing contract with an option and they chose instead to pursue that. So there is not a proposal to score.
Yes, okay so this has this final score is about the proposals it's Sterling having fewer points. It's not about that and the staff
report doesn't say that
if I can just jump in the
staff report clearly says and if you look at the recommendation, it's A or B
Yes, yes, I understand but how for example You're scoring responsiveness and ability to work closely with city staff I'm not understanding how you can score that because Sterling has been working with city staff for eight years.
So again, I'm going to repeat what I said before there was not a proposal from Sterling that we were ranking there's an established track record that the city has with Sterling and that's discussed in the staff
report.
Okay, so I think you keep going back to the same thing. You're looking for a score if you will from Sterling and again we only assigned scores for those that participated in the RFP process. Maybe I'm not explaining this
very clearly. I read every word of the staff report, the 50 page proposal from Ojai Valley Music. Anyone glancing at this At these, it's I don't really see the point of it. Okay, but okay. I'll just have to respect
so
Respect
this mayor pro tem we're still on questions though. Just a reminder.
I'm just gonna hopefully clarify maybe I'm wrong But I think that the score sheet that we received was to let us know who of the applicants or the RFPs had the strongest case and then we choose between whether we're gonna pick one of these new applicants or whether we're gonna continue with Sterling. Is that?
That's correct, yes and that's what it says in the staff report. That's the recommendation.
Okay thank
you
Okay. Any other questions from Council? We have about 16 public comments. Yeah, question?
I have a question. So one thing that I heard both Sterling and OVM as you guys are known in our staff report is the willingness to work together And so I'm just wondering if instead of an either or, if there could be some collaboration or if there is a way, a world in which we could see both. Okay.
Well, I just would tell you that's not on the agenda tonight. If the City Council wants by majority to direct us to work out something like that, that's council's choice but the staff report and what's on the agenda tonight is selecting between the two options outlined.
The Sterling is mentioned in the proposal. His name is included as one of the parties that could work with Ojai Valley Music.
That's right.
So it is on, I don't understand. It seems like it's on the agenda and that was my question. Is that? I have the same question thank you.
Okay. I think really this is more of a discussion type item but if we want to have this now I can kind of get into this a little bit so the Ojai Valley music proposal is recommending a system for concert programming where they collaborate with other concert promoters So in addition to bringing talent themselves, they would also like to work with other existing talent promoters. And again this is only if the council decides to take that option including Sterling, including Ineffable Music who's another promoter that applied to the process to fill the concert season.
Okay so that is something that Ojai Valley Music has suggested that they could do as part of their concert programming.
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Okay. Council Member Ruhl? Yeah, I just have a question does the city have any oversight at all on the acts that and or have they as well i'm not saying specifically for this have any oversight at all on you know the acts or the times or you know yes like okay
Yes, and we work closely with our partner currently Sterling on the proposed schedule. There's actually a clause in the agreement now wherein if they wish to exceed the amount of allowable concerts they have to come to us and say hey we've booked another show are you interested yes or no? They also adhere to our established policies on noise and times, and that type of thing. And they've been a good partner trying to find talent as Mr. Sterling said that matches the community.
Yes. I guess my only other question would be, and this is applicable to both, Well, I don't have another question. Thank you.
All right. Let's move on to public comment after public comment. We'll take a brief break and then we'll come back for discussion. So we'll begin with Smitty West and Larry Steingold and then Leonard Clay.
Oh, Thank you. I'm just here as Smitty now. You guys know me, I'm a music guy. I produce concerts too. Beautiful RFP. What I feel like my words here tonight are going to be talking about This sparkly hub that we have in our bowl and how it should be used by and for the benefit of the people because you can't just snap your fingers and get one of these overnight. So I think it's a little narrow to just talk about booking music acts, that's part of it but in our arts commission plan we have long term plans for performing arts for Arts Center in downtown Ojai Gosh, if I can outlive you, Joan, I'll keep working on it.
So music, dance, film, storytelling, poetry, civic groups, lectures on arts, science, politics, this should be a center that brings us together. I know these guys, Ojai Music, Ojai Valley Music Guys and they've already invested their families, their treasure of time And I think that their proposal really leaves room for being expansive as we move ahead rather than us just booking acts as well.
Yeah, also wanted to say that if you do choose whoever you choose or however you choose to do it, I want to speak for just a minute for the local musicians under the current or the old contract is very difficult. In fact, it's kind of a dirty little thing that just happens in the music business I know where bands for opening acts have to pay-to-play and in effect is what it is. So I'm sure that either of the proposals that you take a look at, you'll be able to negotiate that are some of our great local bands that match with what the headliner is be offered a fair price and To show the respect that we have for the musicians in the valley
That's it. Thank you Smitty next week Larry Steingold then Lenny Klaif, and then William Weirich
Thank you. And a quick advertisement, Toastmasters meets at 7am on Friday mornings for all you who are nervous and don't like to speak. So please come. It's a safe place. You won't get attacked. The process is wonderful. I think it's wonderful. Sterling has done a great job for eight years, I believe that's been here. I think OVM, they've invested real money in the city.
David Berger's got real skin in the game here. So I can't imagine he's going to even consider making any mistakes, any problems creating any issue whatsoever because the blowback would be actually pretty bad. So we're looking forward if it works now seriously I mean he's got skin in the game so what I mean this motivation here there's incentive right? But local acts are important, so please make a real effort to include local locals. Maybe local transplants and even local visitors but real local Ojai entertainers, musicians, actors, tradespeople, whatever.
Please. Thank you.
Thank you Larry. Next we have Leonard Claife, then William Wyrick and then Barbara Bowman
Leonard Claife, yet still living in the city of Ojai. Whatever you do, whatever you decide I would like to see a provision providing fines for excessive violations of the noise ordinance. I was sitting in the Ojai Art Center theater which is enclosed one day a couple years ago when the Queen cover band was playing and it was really hard not to sing along Because every word was as clear as the words coming from this theater stage.
I live on North Fulton Street, I don't know how many miles that is from the bowl, a mile and a half or something. And oftentimes I can stand in my driveway and hear it as clear as day. We do have noise limits, and oftentimes they're not followed. Well sometimes they are, and it's not all the time but often times they're not, and somebody needs to enforce that.
Our general plan, I looked it up again today. It still provides small town character and village scale. The proposal from OVM is hardly village size or small town character. It is a professional 50, 60, I don't know how many thousands of dollars they spent on that very professional and very well done proposal that really says nothing Except what they would like to do and what they propose doing, but there is no contract. We don't know what they will finally agree to And we know what Sterling will finally agree to because they've been living by it for the last eight years They have as you know They have skin in the game as well because obviously they're making money on this because otherwise they wouldn't come back and ask for an extension With all due respect to Mr.
Berger and I know his plans are grandiose, the movie theater hasn't opened despite the fact that they rebuilt the entire El Roblo hotel in a quarter of the amount of time that he spent on his movie theater. How can we trust that anything will happen in anything close to a timely fashion? I think it's Mr. Schaffer that talks about his rock and roll decor at the Noodle House, there is no rock and roll decor, there is no Bruce Springsteen and E Street Band salad on the menu. I don't know what he's talking about.
They talk about reaching out to the community. They've never reached out, Mr. Berger has never reached out to the Art Center. He's never reached out to The Ojai Underground. I don't know if he's reached out to any local arts organizations. The food vendors that they're talking in, the food trucks, has anybody talked to the restaurants in town how they feel about having food trucks at every event? Thank you, we're out of time.
Thank you Lynn. Next we have William Wyrick, then Barbara Bowman and then Mike Etchart.
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Hello Council. Well Leonard you really set the table for what I wanted to say. I have comments about process it is absolutely fabulous the interest there is from the two proposals that are well one contract and one proposal I remember when you talk about underutilized, go back 10 years if you want to look at underutilized. So we really have moved ahead in terms of the potential and what we could see for this facility as a foundation for our community cultural life.
The problem is the process. Your job as council is to ensure proper public Oversight and insight with the depth of knowledge that we have in this community. You failed with the gymnastic situation You have let commissions kind of be eviscerated and be put aside outside of these core decision-making processes and please Whatever you do bring The public option bring the public Intelligence and insight that we have in this community into looking at whatever you go forward with in terms of details, okay?
This RFP was late. In terms if you're going to consider changing the system. That's why you've got a five month hole. And Every way you go forward, I do contracts for a living for decades. The devil is in the details. There's a facility fee in the Ojai Valley Music proposal that doesn't say who gets the facility fee, for example. All right? You have the issue of how you make sure the accounting is done properly.
Whether you have any kind of option for looking at revenue over and a cut of the revenue for the community over and above the flat fee. You have the issue of how you do community holdbacks, how you manage the community parts of the schedule that are not controlled by the contractor. All of these things you need public input into and you have a wealth and depth of knowledge in this community that really cares and really wants to be involved. This process so far has not been public like it should be, thank you.
Thank you Bill next we have Barbara Bowman then Mike Etchart and then Joan Kemper
Good evening, Barbara Bowman. Well I'm going to take another slant on this. Here in Ojai we're working really hard and making everything Ojai and having David Berger who we've already seen took a theater that was so crumbling down there was no foundation and he's taken the time he took because he cannot change it once it opens. He can't redo lighting, he can't redo sound and he wants to do it maximum Maximum good for the town. So let's jump to the fact that he has a theater, and now with two other people who've got incredible background in the music field. None of these are newbies. They know what they're doing. They're proven track records. They're from Ojai. And one of the things that David wants to do, and I'm sure his partners agree, they want to bring on local talent.
And they want to coordinate with local government, what did they call it? Non-profits. Our nonprofits here are tremendous and they can work with the Libby Bowl and the theater. He has the ability to work all of them together, nobody else does. You want local input, you want local talent, we stopped having chain stores come in because we wanted to keep the town local. David is an incredible gift to us, and his two partners are incredible too. I looked at their background it's phenomenal what they've done so there's no doubt it's not left up in the air these people work out detail and as far as a contract goes Bill This man, David Berger is so detail conscious I don't think you have to worry about a contract. He'll sit and work down every little bit of it and he wants it for Ojai.
He has talked about the theater for Ojai, he's talked about having Ojai talent in the theater, he has talked about the nonprofits, he has the theater. If he has Libby Bowl, he can coordinate the whole thing together. It is such a win for this town that the fact that someone like him did the theater and wants to do this. He's a proven commodity and his partner's background is tremendous proven commodity. So I mean, I think Sterling's probably done a fine job but he is not gonna look at it from a community point of view the way David does. David can connect all the different parts on the wheel and make it work for the town like nobody can. So nothing against you, Sterling, but I think it'd be very nice to have David in this position with his two partners.
Thank you.
Thank you, Barbara. Next we have Mike Etchart then Joan Kemper and then Jeffrey Starkweather.
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Hey everyone, Mike Etcharts I have the requisite black shirt on so that's my bona fides in the music business. Just a reminder, I spoke a couple meetings back. I was on the original committee back eight years ago when we selected Sterling to run the Libby Bowl And that was made up of a lot of local people that had industry experience and kind of knew this business.
And I stand here today by saying that the last eight years have been extremely well run, and I think we would be well served as a community to go with Sterling Ventures again. The difference between the two proposals are very different. First of all, Sterling Ventures has as you heard around eight different venues so we are able to sort of fight above our weight in terms of the acts that come through here, the national acts that he has brought That's hard to do, and those acts are expensive. I also want to remind people that you have to put money down. You give a guarantee of anywhere from $15,000 to $50,000 that has to be put down. The proposal from Ojai Valley Music is much more of the curation proposal. They wanna work with other people but it was unclear who's actually gonna be putting that money down?
Is it them? Is it the other groups that they wanna bring in? We've seen how well Sterling has worked for the last eight years. Is there room for improvement? Is there room for slight changes? Absolutely, but he's been a wonderful partner to work with and we went through a lot of these issues eight years ago about local restaurants coming in and food trucks and all that stuff and the reality is it's very difficult to get people off the dime to do that and there's not a lot of profit in that for local Restaurants for local providers of food, it's just not a ton of money but it's a lot of work. Not saying we can't keep offering that up and things like that but it is very very difficult and this is something we learned about eight years ago when we went through this.
As for local talent I play in a band I've opened up for the Gym Blossoms at Libby and we're opening up for Flock of Seagulls down in Canyon Club So he has been super open to local acts, but I also want to point out it's very difficult to have a local act because we typically start our concerts quite a bit earlier and end earlier. There isn't a lot of room at the beginning for a meaningful open slot for a lot of local acts, but in my experience when it makes sense the organization has been very open to local acts so I really encourage everyone to extend our contract with Sterling. They've been a wonderful partner, we've been able to get some remarkable acts in here. Not to say that the other proposal was lacking and these guys have a great track record as well but I think we've seen eight years of what Sterling can do.
The curation model is not necessarily something we've seen yet and whether that can have the same stuff we've had so far. So thanks.
Thank you, Mike. Next we have Joan Kemper then Jeffrey Starkweather and then Richard Byrd.
Good evening Council I'm new to you this is a new council for me but i don't live in the city limits so you don't see me very much however the last probably 20 years most of my time has been spent in Libby Bowl either producing shows there or repairing it. And I was involved with two major remodels of Libby Bowl, so I might say it is my favorite spot in Ojai.
And you people are so lucky because you have two wonderful choices. Both, you can't lose with either one. Lance Sterling was the first one I was fortunate enough to bring him to the city's attention Eight years ago, and he was the first one that ever put any money back into Libby Bowl for maintenance. There was just somebody down there, Doogy or somebody trying to fix it.
And so Lance was good for the city, good for the audiences and good for us. And now Obie and Old High Valley Music is absolutely, they're new to you but they are terribly experienced. You've heard all that. But they also are local people here and they are very generous. I had no place to do shows, you probably know that I had no place for a Christmas show for help of Ojai that needed to raise money or to get money for Christmas dinner, for the homeless and for the needy seniors. And so Megan called me she said are you doing a Christmas show? I said no we don't have a theater available David offered the Playhouse. So on December, Tuesday, December 17th it's going to be a Christmas show in the Playhouse no charge nothing and there's no tickets it's just money for a shop of Ojai you get in get a wristband give your donations and then they can buy groceries to do the Christmas dinner that's what he's gonna do so both of these people Lance as Davis they're both friends of mine And we've all worked in the entertainment industry.
Make your choice, but pick what is best for Ojai and what's best for not only the audiences but for the city and to keep that ball in order so we don't have to repair it all the time. Thank you.
Thank You Joan next we have Jeffrey Starkweather then Richard Byrd and then John Veit
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Good evening. I'm here to support the Ojai Valley music proposal for two reasons, two principal reasons. One is the kind of related diversity of music they're talking about I personally am not big on tribute bands. I like to see all different types of music and I think they're proposing it. One of the things that really excited me was the idea of having a Ojai Jazz Festival, which I've been talking about for years and both old blues.
And so there... The other aspect of that diversity is working with the local community. I think that's really important too You know Ojai is a place that does difficult things. I moved here as a kid, 1953 the bowl hadn't even been built yet and they built that with local effort and we've done so many things that were difficult to do because we came together as a community and we did things locally.
The other thing i want to mention is that their collaborations with local groups. Now I have handed up something to you all and I wanted to talk about it in public comment, and I may stay around for it, I may not but is the whole idea of multiplier effects. I don't think we think about that that much here but local business And of course, Barbara certainly knows this with why we have the Formula Business Ordinance. Local business brings in much more economic benefit than an outside business. There's direct purchases, there's indirect purchases, buying supply and there's forced purchases.
And then having the actual owners here The extent that they actually make any money, they'll be investing it directly in their community. And they are obviously have already shown so the idea that you know we don't know what they're committed to. They've already made massive investments in our community and so and the other aspect that I always hear people talk about Tourism is a problem. Tourism has a major multiplier effect on our economy, but they're kind of having the sweet spot of combining local and tourism.
And I think to pass up this opportunity to give local people with creative ideas and to bring us all in. And I would finally finish, I don't know if it's possible what Delwai was talking about but this has been a problem in my opinion with the City Council of not bringing the community in before you negotiate things. Now it may not be practical in this case, I don't know but the more you can bring the community in in reviewing the proposal the better thank you.
Thank you Jeffrey. Next we have Richard Burr, then John Veit and then Griffin Barclay maybe.
Good evening, Council. I am not one of those people that have a hard time speaking in front of people so I would like to thank you for having us all here. I'm here speaking tonight on behalf of Ojai Valley Music Group. I've had the good fortune over the last several years to get to know David and Martin and to a little bit lesser extent Marco having gone to him and his partner's restaurant in Miners Oaks where I live But the one thing I can say for sure is that in the time that I've gotten to know David Berger, his connection to the music industry is unavailed.
Going all the way back to the time when he managed the box office at The Fillmore, which is a world renowned musical institution in San Francisco. I can honestly say that he lives and breathes entertainment and he gives everything in his entire level of integrity to bring joy to others. And while I understand people's Reservations about the opening of the movie theater. I can say firsthand having seen it from nearly day one to now like You are gonna all be very blown away by what you are going to experience very soon and if that theater is Any measure of what he and his partners are able to do at Libby Bowl, I think it goes without question that supporting their proposal would be the right thing to do.
Without a doubt there is an absolute need and I think they answered that need in their proposal with regards to doing their best to incorporate as much local businesses and vendors and musicians and trades people as possible. And while I think that in 2017 when Sterling was given the contract, he was the right person for the contract then but as we know in the last eight years our town has changed.
And in those changing times, I think we need to reevaluate our needs. And as a relatively middle-aged person, I can honestly say that my desire to go see a Journey cover band is waning. And listen, trust me. I love Journey. I'm from the Bay Area. They are part of my childhood but you know there's only so many cover bands that I want to go see and while I think that speaks to a certain proportion of our population here like I think that there is really an opportunity here for you all to decide on broadening that scope and that cultural imperativeness that we have in our ability, especially considering how close we are to L.A., to bring acts here.
Thank you Richard. Next we have John Viet, then Griffin Barkley, and then Dan Parzial.
Hello, I'm John Veete. I've lived here about two years. I have two small kids we go down to Libby Bowl listen to the sound checks one thing that has been mentioned about the Proposal from Hawaii Valley Music is they're hoping to do some streaming as well so if you have to leave early because you had kids or whatever you can stream and even potentially stream stuff to the theater and Theater also the other arts theater. So if there's too big a crowd, there's potential for some spillover They seem amenable toward extending the trolley service so that drunk people can get home more safely The commitment to local bands also seems Really positive they seem to want to hire 30 local people I really like the idea of being able to buy a ticket and not have to deal with computers And just buy a ticket before they go on sale.
And it's pretty obvious that David and Marco and Martin have the experience here between the VIP packages, and the actual hotel cafe, and doing music festivals. It'll bring a whole New vibe here, a lot of different kinds of music, diverse music. Somebody mentioned that it's too loud. It's actually 80 decibels which you know small venues like CBGBs in New York that was 120 decibels so it's already you know too quiet I think and lastly Whoever had that idea to cut the gymnastics, you know that is a serious problem. So however that happened seems really bad so don't cut gymnastics. Thank you
Thank you, John. Next we have Griffin, then Dan and then Sid Sogni, I think. Hi,
I'm Griffin Barkley. My wife and I have three daughters and we're longtime Ojai residents and huge fans of live music. I'm here today to express my support for OVM and bringing in some fresh minds to manage experiences at Libby Bowl. While we love the charm of our venue, I believe it's time to elevate the kind of events we host. Right now there is a real opportunity to turn Libby Bowl into a destination for both locals and visitors with more diverse high quality performances that really reflect Ojai's artistic spirit.
New promotion could bring fresh energy and connections that can attract not just big name acts but also up-and-coming artists world music and more community driven events This can mean more opportunities for us to come together as a community and enjoy what we love, music. While also supporting local businesses and enhancing Ohio's cultural identity. So I'm here to voice my support and hope you consider this change for the betterment of our great city. Thank you.
Thank You Griffin. Gymnastics
Alive!
Next we have Dan Parzial then Sid and then Rich Jacques.
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Hello, I'm speaking in favor of entering into a contract with OVM to manage entertainment at Libby Bowl. It's nice to be here with so many folks who are invested enough in our community to be here late on a weeknight. I too believe that Ojai is an incredible place and that's why my wife Molly and I both Ojai natives moved back to Ojai five years ago with our two girls.
There are a lot of reasons why we moved back, and one of those is that Ojai is not the exact same valley it was when we graduated from high school here 25 years ago. This town has continued to be reinvigorated with new energy and people who love the valley and the community here. Two of those people who I know personally are David and Marco of OVM. And I have a ton of respect for their vision and commitment to our community.
They've built their local businesses with thoughtful intention. Their proposal shares the same level of attention to detail and they have the experience and expertise to pull it off. I hope we have the opportunity to see it come to fruition, thank you.
Thank you Dan. Next we have Sid and then Rick Shaw and then Greg Stewart
It's an honor to speak here tonight. This is so fun to see local politics happening. I got to skip bedtime too, which was really nice. I'm here to offer my support for Ojai Valley Music in my capacity as a Miner's Oaks resident of 10 years, an artist and producer with international touring experience including some shows at Libby, sometimes hopeful concert promoter in the artists collective known as Echo Magic, a former artist and the son of a production manager My dad specialized in events of the caliber and quality OVM proposes bringing to Libby, and as a child some of my happiest memories were made at venues like Libby watching artists of the kind that OVN will book. My three kids are now experiencing the joy of watching shows and being on stage at Libby whether it's for a community event or simply playing on stage in a quiet summer day.
OVM's proposal puts forward a plan that if executed in spirit, if not in every single detail will elevate the Libby Bowl to a level of production it deserves while maintaining the sense of local ownership and pride that we all feel for it. If I'm understanding the proposal correctly they're also planning to create local jobs which is you guys should probably love that from a practical standpoint.
Among many other factors they've highlighted in their proposal, OVM have called out the appropriate staffing, technical investment and org chart that's required to bring this level of concert experience to the Valley. More local expertise and smoothly running events here will elevate everything. In other words, while I can see a Nico Case show going off without a hitch, I can also easily imagine Ojai Day's performances being easier on everyone with the level of support proposed by OVM. The history of the Libby Bowl is relatively short and Lance Sterling has played a critical role in showing the community what is possible at Libby so I have gratitude for the Sterling Group for their stewardship so far but it's time to move on.
Let Sterling focus on their venues around the state and on the other side of the country. Lots of things have changed in the eight years. I'm going to slow down because I have time. It's time to move on. Let Sterling focus on their venues around the state and on the other side of the country. Lots of things have changed in the eight years since Sterling's contract began. There has been a groundswell of new talent that has moved here, and the folks behind OVM are the real deal. You're not taking a flyer on an unknown quantity. From a personal standpoint, my experience with Marco is that he is one of the good guys. He created a home for touring acts like ours to create community in L.A., always treated us fairly and cared about more than just ticket and drink sales.
Otherwise he probably never would have booked our bands. I do want to publicly encourage whoever wins the bid to be held to a mandated minimum fee for opening acts attached to shows by OVM whether local or not. That's just a personal thing of mine. Opening acts should be paid better. Every venue I've ever played in the world has a spirit that is either charged or degraded by the amount of loving care put into the space. You can just feel it. The Libby Bowl needs a fresh infusion of spirit, and OVM is just the group to do that.
Entertainment is about more than the bottom line. It's a force for good in a community. Music and all kinds of art heal. They bring people together, and it's best served from inside the valley, not from an outside source. Thank you.
Thank you, Sid. Next we have Rich and then Greg Stewart and then Vaughn Montgomery.
Hi. Thanks for letting me speak. I'm here in support of OVM. And my personal connection, I've been in the music business forever. And I knew Marco from when he first started the Hotel Cafe in Hollywood in what was it 2006? But it was pretty incredible to watch where he took this really small venue and turned it into what he did in the last almost 25 years. The real benefit of having someone like Marco, he took that place and truly created a music community.
Which I don't know if you know musicians but it's like herding cats. And he pulled it all together in a way where he truly created a place where people could come congregate and truly meet and share ideas. It became really a community hub where we felt it was a safe place to go Just grow with the community, but I feel like he's going to bring the same thing to the Libby Bowl where you will involve the community in a way where it will benefit Ojai in a huge way. And when I first moved here, I was really so charmed by the city But I was, you know, I went to the Libby Bowl a few times and my first impression was this is an amazing place that feels like with just a little more attention and a little more love could be just world class in a way that would really serve the community both from step up the production.
And also invite artists that could truly benefit because as a touring artist like to have a place like that is so special. And Marco has the connections that he could bring people in that maybe it's not even about money. It's more about like, wow, that's a special place to play and if it becomes that, um, it would just be a great asset to Ojai. So thank you.
Thank you Rich. Next we have Greg Stewart. Uh, and then Von Montgomery and then Adam Gallegos.
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Good evening, thanks for having us out. It's been a year since I've spoken here and so it's good to see everybody with the last year in politics expected you all to look at more tired, so well done yourself some jazz. So, uh, I want to speak on behalf of Ojai Valley music and specifically Marco Schaefer because I met Marco over 20 years ago. I drew about three people when I played my first gig at the Hotel Café. Within a year, I sold the place out. A lot of that had to do with truly him putting faith and his passion behind supporting artists.
And what you're going to get with someone like Marco and David and Martin is a consortium of people who bring so much experience to the table And I think the important thing here to note is that you lose nothing. with moving to an Ojai Valley music proposal because Sterling has already said he'd be willing to work with them and take part. It's only an expansion of what's possible with the Libby Bowl, as people have already stated. The bowl is a gem within a small community such as this it is a gem but currently it is driving 25 in the freeway zone It could be so much more. It could be so much more for the community, and I can tell you both as a performer at The Hotel Cafe and as an attendee for literally dozens and dozens of shows, The Hotel Cafe is the one venue in Hollywood—in all of LA—where you feel like your home as a musician where you feel like, I didn't know it could be this good And I think that's really what we're speaking to.
at what's possible, not just going with what feels safe and what is known to you. This is an expansion, and I think it's a beautiful expansion and a real opportunity for Ojai. And I invite you to look from that perspective. Music and the arts—it's a heart-centric thing, and it's important that we think about what the Libby Bowl can be from a heart-centric place. It's easy to look at proposals, and they have a very robust proposal, but At the end of the day, you can analyze yourself into a corner when it comes to the arts. But really what it's about? It's about the heart and they bring the heart. They just bring it. That's what they do. That's what I've known him to do for over two decades and why I wanted to come here tonight and speak to you on behalf of who they are and what they bring to the table.
So thank you for listening. Thank you.
Thank you, Greg. Next we have Vaughn Montgomery then Adam Gallegos and then Claire Cleary.
Hello, thanks for hearing all of us and I just want to echo what the majority of people seem to be in alignment. It seems like a ripe time for change with the direction of leadership at Libby Bowl. Grateful to the different stuff that Sterling Group has brought to town but I think that having somebody who isn't necessarily living here and who has lots of other operations Other areas, it just makes it a little less personal or a lot less personal than it could be.
And some shows happen here that I think we all should know about like the whalers for instance, I found out an hour before the show that was even happening And went over with my family and it was awesome, but there was like 50 people there. I think that has a lot to do with just out of town people and not like a grassroots feeling at all to it. No posters in town about it, no word on the street about it.
And the guys who are representing Ojai Valley Music, I think is a complete 180 of that. They're based here. They support a lot of cool stuff here. David put on an amazing show at the Bowl a couple years ago for The Land Conservancy. He supported Greater Goods. It's a community arts nonprofit that I run. He supported that both times we've done shows at the Libby Bowl.
Obviously, you heard from Joan what he offered to just give his space. I think there's just so much beautiful potential and I know of practically every act in town and I can't even think of maybe one or two of them in the last eight years that got invited to play an opening set at Libby Bowl for one of Sterling's shows. So to imagine just a lot more local partnership, local box office where locals get First access to tickets is awesome.
So many great ideas, the whole proposal was just packed full of great ideas. I do think what Bill mentioned is worth keeping in mind like these details matter and it's a beautiful proposal. Encourage the council to include the community in the next phase if you do choose them. Let's keep the community involved in the details going forward but yeah, it just seems like a golden opportunity variety of music there and have a lot more local integration into the scene there. So thank you all, and thank you to OVM Group for putting together such a beautiful proposal.
Thank you, Vaughan. Next we have Adam and then Claire Cleary and then Donald Glover.
Thank you. Since moving to Ojai 10 years ago, I've been struck by the potential of Libby Bowl. But like many residents have been underwhelmed by how it's been used. It's such a special resource for the community and I strongly believe that OVM brings the right mix of experience understanding of the local community vision for leveling up the events hosted by Libby Bowl and a commitment to supporting local businesses.
I met Marco and David actually when they would come into Revel, which is a business my wife and I own. And I would often see them around town at other local establishments in events. When they opened up the Ojai Noodle House, Marco found ways to include local brands like ours on the menu He's not someone who just talks about supporting the community and local businesses.
He has proven that this is a priority with his actions, and I actually met with the Sterling Group earlier this year to see if they'd be willing to offer some local products at their events here in Ojai, and they were really friendly nice people but in the end they told me it wouldn't be profitable enough for them to do something like that And I feel like that's in stark contrast to what OVM would be willing to do with local businesses like ours.
Having read the proposal created by OVN for sound and entertainment management at Libby Bowl, I'm extremely excited about the prospect of what could be. I hope to see you all at future events created by OPM here in Ojai. Thank you.
Thank you, Adam. Next we have Claire and then Donald and then Scott Weiss.
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Hi, my name is Claire Cleary. I was born and raised here and I'm also a member of Local 442, the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees. I am probably one of the only people that is a worker that will work in that venue if we end up getting a contract. That's a conversation for another day but being coming from that background Having new blood in that venue is extremely important. Sterling has done his due diligence and has done very good work in the last eight years, but it's time for a change.
I love me a good covered man, but it's definitely time. The gear that he has in that venue is falling apart and he's also not maintaining it very well. There's a couple of small sandbags where people are dancing especially right after a couple of earthquakes that we had which is very disconcerting coming from someone that has an OSHA 10 certification. It's very alarming That's it. Thank you so much.
Thank you, Claire. Next we have Donald then Scott and then David Berger.
Hey guys, I didn't write anything down. Look, I just owe Marco a lot of money so like no, I'm kidding. No, I thought I'd improv this because I thought it would wake everybody up a little bit. I know we've been here a minute. I've lived here about three and a half years, four years now. Ojai is very special. I love it here. It is one of... Me and my wife we were like where are we going to raise our kids? We could not agree in Ojai. We came here for the turtle sanctuary and I was like oh here! Here is where I want to spend the rest of my life. I could die here. And I really think this place is special. To speak to what some other people said before about the venue Specifically, that venue is super special. As soon as I saw it, I've wanted to play it like I was like oh it's really great but also what makes we there was someone saying about how do we get how do we pay for people to be their artists play where they They want to, like I've lost money at venues like Red Rocks and other just because it was special and just because I wanted to stay in town for a week.
And I'm a lot of my friends just want to stay here because it's beautiful and they didn't know this place existed. They didn't know any place like this could be like that. And that's how I felt when I first came here and there. And really at the heart of this to me is like The kids man, they need something to do. To be able to give discounts to Nordoff High or be able to have kids walk to town and be like yo, a really cool band is playing here tonight and my friend is opening for them that's just super cool.
And yeah I think the future it's really all I think about and I think Marco and them they have great taste and can really make this a special place And, you know as the father of three very rambunctious boys we need gymnastics as well.
Thank You Donald next we have Scott and then David Berger and then Mikagu Jorgensen
Hello, my name is Scott Weiss. Thank you for having me. I want to start by seconding the movement about keeping the gymnastics here. With that said, I'll give you a little short introduction. I am a founding member of the Ojai Summer Band And one of the co-managers and conductors, and we've been playing in The Gazebo for the last 33 years. In 2016 when Sterling got the contract, the city was gracious enough to come up with a program. I founded the Ojai Pops Orchestra and Ojai Pops Concert Series, so we've been playing in Libby Bowl since 2016.
I'm also a CPA and have quite a bit of entertainment experience. One of the first audits I worked on was the Libero Theater, my brother ran the UC Davis Presents program and raised some money for the Mondavi Center. And I'm going to echo what Bill Weirich said is that I think the process is what's important here And I've heard some good questions from the council, and I met with Ben Harvey. And I know that a lot of work went into the RFP. It was a well-written RFP. But I think the city needs to have a plan and a vision of what they want rather than just commercializing the bowl.
I've heard over the years, I don't know if it's true that when Libby made the grant for the bowl that there was not supposed to be used for commercial purposes. If it's going to be used for commercial purposes, I think the benefit has to be for the city. I could raise a whole number of things that you should look at. For example, if Sterling doesn't get the contract is there a ticket process and a mailing list in place that the city can then take over and use?
If you look at the UCSB Arts and Lecture Program, they have classical music that they bring. They have jazz music that they bring. They bring dance. They bring theater. They bring lectures. They have comedy. You're not gonna get that if you're trying to do this from a commercial point of view. I think that the city should put some money into what goes on at Libby Bowl and create an arts program that's broader than just bringing commercial groups in.
So I think I've covered most of that. I've written this down because I don't remember all of it very well, and I will say I did read the proposal and I'm very familiar with the contract because one thing I did not say is I was on that committee back eight years ago. I won't say that it was run ideally and that what was produced was exactly the way it should have. It felt a little funny I was critical of the contract that came out because I don't think it really protected the city. And I think it's very important that the city has a contract, that the Hollywood Bowl gets 10%. But I think that you need to make it so that these people can bring other groups and maybe subsidize what they're doing.
Having said that, I did read the proposal very carefully and I'm very familiar with
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Thank you guys. I think he's just finished, yeah. Next we have David Berger and then Mikagu. Oh sorry! That's interesting writing. Sorry, Michael. Hey,
how's it going? Just want to come back up because we ran out of time on I'm not really the best public speaker if you get me one on one. The most honest, transparent, enthusiastic, crazy person you'll meet. But, you know, in front of all these bright lights and cameras and paparazzi Donald and you know, it's like a little nervous But um, you know this is really You know we want to do this for the community. We're doing it out of passion. We're doing it out of our heart I mean, we don't have to You know, we're not gonna make a lot of money You know we want to do it to bring people together to keep Connect people.
I mean it's an act of empathy You know This is an incredible place You know, this is a creative place. It's beyond creative and it's an opportunity for us to work with people and work with the community as one to really represent who we are here Just to say a couple things, I do support nonprofits. I love nonprofits. I've done everything I can with the Playhouse to support people, poster boxes, marquee, little underground events, donating, placing ads in people's programs, discussing future programming, keeping an open mind and open heart to do various programming and support everyone It's very challenging.
I mean, for Libya it's about local artists talent production operations creating jobs keeping it in Ojai you know bringing cool bands and all kinds of bands jazz and international and comedy and children and folk and Americana etc create a diversity Create some unification, you know? Kind of putting all the politics aside because that's not who we are. I mean, we're not interested in it.
I mean the politics and being ill on others or creating friction. So I hope you believe us. I hope you can feel the passion and our intention. No it's like you've heard it is a labor of love. I mean that's an understatement two things. The playhouse has been it needed a lot of love. I don't want to be defensive if anyone saw it. I love the Alamos they built the foundation to allow me to do what I'm doing but to make comments about.
Thank you, David. Thank you. Next we have Michael.
Hello there. I'm Michael Jorgensen, although my friends call me Macagoo. It's a pretty cool name isn't it? Look at his handwriting! I know my Ls look like U's. It happens. Um, I'm a professional musician. Uh, I play in a band called Wilco. I've played thousands of shows around the country, around the world and I have seen firsthand The excitement and connection, and energy that happens when music brings people together.
And the programming that OVM is planning to bring I think is going to be allow brand new voices, young vibrant artists to come to this town to share in the incredible community that we have here in Ojai. I will admit that I haven't read the entire proposal thoroughly. I would just like to add a note like can we get a marquee? Because so many times I'll hear stuff happening at the bowl. I'm like, there might be something going on but there's no way to know what's happening even on the day unless you go there. But anyway, I want to say thank you to everybody and good night!
Thank you, Michael. And I'm sorry for mispronouncing your name. It's a it's pretty good nickname, isn't it? By Magogu. OK, do we have any comments online?
Yes, mayor, we have one raised hand on Zoom for item two. We have Mike. Mike, you can unmute and you have the floor.
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Thank you. This is Mike Donahue I've been in Ojai for 20 years, raised our family here and spent a lot of time at the Libby Bowl. This is such a passionate subject matter. You know the Greek Theater was being run by Nederlander for 40 years. A new promoter was coming in to possibly take over and 30,000 Los Angeles residents signed a petition to try to get that promoter out so this is obviously a flashpoint and emotional topic I got a few fun facts to mention and then one request.
So over the last eight years, it sounds like, looks like by my calculations nearly 100,000 people have gone through those gates. This is a really big decision. I believe Sterling has paid into the city over $400,000 worth of fees. So I think it was Scott Weiss who was wondering where the money comes from? The tax revenue from the concerts going to the cities From restaurants and hotels is obviously big, employees are hired. People who work at the Libby Bowl are Ojai people. I think they had 16 people working there last concert when I asked.
So there's investment by Sterling who is a Ventura County resident and company so let's try to keep that in mind. I love the fact that we're talking Ojai because I love Ojai support. I love supporting Ojai businesses So the number 973 seats is such a tricky number. I think the only reason that Sterling has been successful, because that's his sweet spot. So my hats off to the Ojai Music Group if they can manage a bowl with that little number because the people of Ojai don't want to pay $150 a seat and it gets tricky, the math does when you have to bring somebody in for 150,000.
Their two models are different, and I just want success. And I wanna see more joy from the community because we see so much joy in that bowl today. And when I think about all those shows and the 100,000 people to walk through there, it's really most people give it like an A minus or B plus. So maybe some a little higher, some a little lower. But what I'm hoping is whoever is selected, that it goes to A or A+. So my hat's off to whoever is running forward. And don't forget Sterling has worked with other promoters like Live Nation and others. So collaboration sounds exciting but as I told Ben Harvey this is a huge decision. Don't screw it up.
Thank you Mike.
No more Mayor.
Okay all right that's the end of public comment we will take a brief break and we'll come back for discussion thank you Can we come back? I don't know. It's not working. Oh, it is. Hello! Okay, we are back if you could take your seats.
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Okay, thank you all. If you could take your seats. Is the microphone working? Okay, thank you. All right we are back. We do have one more public comment before discussion. Jim Fairchild. Got that pronunciation correct.
Um, my name is Jim Fairchild I'm a neighbor up the street of Andy's. My family and I moved here a few years ago we walked down to Libby all the time to check out shows I'm I was in a band called Modest Mouse for a long time. I've been in a band called Grandaddy Forever and let's see here, um... I think that Marco and company would do a wonderful job doing something that I would like to see happen which is just expand the range of programming both in terms of What era of music is from but also the range of genres I think that would be really important.
And I've worked with Marco a bunch, and I know that he can do it. And also with what Donald and Michael said as well. Donald mentioned the financial aspect of it from a band being a barrier to people coming. I mean, I know in both bands that I play in like we've the least amount of money that we ever made was playing in Big Sur in front of 250 people and those were the shows that we remembered forever and most looked forward to Mission Montana comes to mind so I think the drawing a broader range of talent I know that would be Easy because I talked to the bands who are my contemporaries and friends, and the agents who are always wondering how can we come to Ojai.
So that's all I have to say. I think they're going to do a great job with it. And as a neighbor and patron of Libby Bowl, I would just love to see that range expanded. Thank you guys.
Thank you Jim.
And gymnastics!
Thank you. All right, that is the end of public comment we will move on to discussion and just a reminder to council members We will have a five-minute limit and there will be time on both screens I believe Councilmember rule he'd like to begin.
Yeah sure. I'll start and I'm pleased to start the clock our first official clock So I'm just going to talk about a couple of things that struck me. We've listened long and hard and deep, so... And I support this but the things that really struck me is the question of what's possible? And I think it's time for us to figure out what is possible. And I also think that there can be an envisioning process of what Libby Bowl is actually going to be Part of this, you know part of the actual music promotion but as well I think what I have heard is that there is a willingness to understand and to work through what Libby Bowl could actually be for the community.
I think we heard Smitty West talk about it so You know, I think an envisioning process for many community members and it can be a center for so many activities. And I think that is a community activity to come to grips with what it actually... Not come to grips, you know? Yay, let's do what we can do. I also took to heart Lenny Klaif's comment about a general plan and a small town feel and I can't imagine that having local businesses who are involved with community trying Build up community and build threads of community is not a small town activity. It is most definitely the small town activity, is when you see the promoters on the street which you do all the time changing out their posters or at the restaurants that is for me embodies what a small town is really about it is about the community It is about knowing the people with which you live and work.
For me, it works completely with the general plan and what we envision as small town. Finally, you know I can feel the energy in this room. I can feel the energy just in the people that have spoken and who have come out and who have supported as well as credentialing these three The consortium, let's just call them the consortium. I don't have any doubt that this will work as always things emerge and processes emerge but if you have people of goodwill and honest intentions which i believe we do on all sides this can really emerge to be something wonderful And finally, I'm just going to plug in.
I sat in the box office of the Warfield Theater an entire summer when it was still a movie theater and sold tickets on Market Street. It was totally fun. And I also managed a band called American Music Club for a long time. And finally, I will say that you always want to go You always want to play where you want to be. I mean, it's like if you want to be in Ojai, you want to play Ojai right? That is absolutely true that bands will go where they want to play and oftentimes maybe it's a wash, maybe they don't make the money but it's where they wanted to be. It's what they wanted to do and if we can set that vibe, we will have...it will be a beautiful place so Completely in support. And finally, I want to just say to Sterling, thank you very much for the work that you have done for eight years to get us to the point where we can actually envision what this can be.
So I am completely in support and I think everyone who has come out, I thank our local folks and I look forward to imagining and envisioning what this can be.
Council Member Lange. Thank you, so I am in support of moving forward with OVM. Many of you know I lived in Nashville for about eight years and I'm used to seeing live music and discovering emerging artists and people who don't have the great big headlines and thinking about being able to do that with members of our community Strikes a chord, no pun intended.
Inside of me that I think it echoes something that I've heard from other community members some of whom are here tonight some of whom weren't able to come But you know, we have such an opportunity to come together and I agree with Council Member Ruhl. Come together and envision what Libby Bowl could be and how it could serve the community. And Chair Smitty West and I have had conversations about this. I've also talked to our city manager about getting Parks and Rec involved. And I've talked to also just local people who just members of our community who who are dreaming of all the possibilities too. And I think what we heard tonight and what we saw in this proposal is a step toward a bigger vision, and a vision that really brings people together.
One of the things that I really like about this proposal is the diversity of entertainment. There are things for parents, I mean the Wiggles was one of the proposed bands. There are musicians that are more Americana. I love the idea of jazz, having a range of music. I have attended many of the Sterling shows and I'm a big fan of the cover bands. Many, many of them. I've had a lot of great times at the Sterling shows and so I'm thinking, I'm optimistic you know this proposal included opportunities to have other concert promoters, to partner with other concert promoters which is another reason why I'm leaning in this direction is because it's not limited to one thing, just one set.
It leaves opportunities open for us as a city to be able to say let's have like we did last year, let's have a fundraiser for flood victims in our own town And let's bring bands together for that. So this gives us, I think options that are really community focused and also one last thing is just I like the idea too of working with local vendors, local food vendors getting Revel having a presence there I think that is really favorable. And so, I'd like to put a motion on the table and then continue the conversation but I'd like to put a motion to direct the city manager to move forward to negotiate on the city's behalf for a four-year agreement with Ojai Valley Music.
Second?
Could I make a friendly amendment? Yes. I would like to know, you know what we're committing to is the city manager going to work out this contract on his own. Is that what you're proposing because that's what it says in the recommendation if I understand it right or how how how is this contract because we have a great proposal but we don't have a contract So how can you, before I can
vote,
I need to know how that's gonna
work. So normally what I do when you folks direct me to enter into an agreement is I don't do it on my own of course we have legal staff Right next to us. City Attorney, Assistant City Attorney those are our experts that jump in with me on that we also have templates and requirements that our insurance authority insists upon for us to be a member so you know there's there you've got parameters under which you're operating but In this case, the other nice thing about it is you already have a starting point. And that starting point is essentially Sterling's agreement and the amendments so we don't have to think of every conceivable thing and possibility. It's already laid out there. What OVM is proposing is a four-year term, and so that's what I would start out with the City Attorney's Office.
It would probably just like the Sterling Agreement also offer by mutual agreement meaning both sides have to agree of course. Some extensions on the end of that is too, that's customary in contracts like this.
Yeah, because I remember previously. Feeling like the you know we had to the amendments I think addressed the city dates. You know there were concerns
right? There are blackout dates that are established traditional events that you cannot. You know those are well that says it all blackout dates right?
And then furthermore, I don't know if this is a detail but I would like part of the contract to be traffic management. I've already spoken with David that the theater should have guarded bike parking because people don't want their expensive bikes left out when they're-
Bike
valet. Yeah, bike valet. You know we need to have some kind of pedestrian bicycle plan and public transportation.
That's
common at concerts these days. All of this has to be part of it. I mean if you've been to the Oregon Fair there are car free so if they can do it we can do it. We
should see
what LA is doing
Point of order. Yeah, that clock isn't running.
Oh,
oh, so
five minutes for
everybody. I'm sorry that I can just see this. You know it's late here, baby.
OK. So all of that is part of the motion, right? Do you accept that amendment?
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I think as the City Manager stated, he'll work with us and the City Manager to put together the appropriate elements of that in a standard city professional contract including looking at traffic management, bike parking, bike valet. There's already protections for the legacy events that will be baked in the contract and of course the appropriate insurance.
And then if the contract comes back to us? How does it work?
Yes, it has to come back to you for approval. It's above the City Manager spending or approval authority.
Okay thank you. Mayor Pro Tem?
So I actually started performing at Libby Bowl in 1970. And I'm making a plug for the Ojai School District Music Program, which is fantastic. For about eight years, I've played at Libby several times a year and with the jazz bands, I'm really excited about the idea that OVM wants to bring us some jazz. The venue is spectacular. Every time I go to a concert, I kind of look around in amazement and comparison to maybe some of the other places I've been to concerts.
And I know that The artists are going to love playing here and I think we heard from a really impressive number of artists about how strongly they feel about their relationship with the group that's behind OVM. You know, I meant to do something at the outset which is to invoke our new code of conduct and disclose that I spoke to David Berger over the weekend.
And I also want to say about David that he showed me gave me a little tour of OI Playhouse It's spectacular. Yeah, I mean it's going to be a jewel for You know, I just felt like I was in the state of the art theater that you'd expect to see in Hollywood or something. So I was very impressed. I love the idea of having a local promoter who we can bother when things aren't going the way we think they should be.
And actually, I know from everything that I've heard that they're going to be very responsive if we have concerns. And I support the proposition of working with OVM wholeheartedly.
Thank
you.
Well, first I'd like to thank Lance Sterling for your stewardship eight years. Thank you for bringing so many great concerts to the Bowl. We're really grateful. That said, I think the opportunity is here. What a great opportunity to keep it local, local, local. I've also, I know David and I know Marco. I'm looking forward to getting to know you Martin and The playhouse I can't wait for all of you to see it it's gonna blow your mind It's really an incredible place the attention to detail And we are so lucky to have that jewel right there in a downtown Ojai Marco your noodles are Incredible.
And I just think that we have an opportunity to do something super meaningful here, have really high caliber music, make it family friendly. Both my kids grew up here and it would be so great to have music that would appeal to kids. And we can have local food, local drinks, local ticket vendors, local artists As David said, it connects people and this is an act of empathy. And we have the opportunity to expand what is actually possible so I think we really have this amazing opportunity and I'm so grateful that we can bring it to fruition and get going. So with that said, I think we're all ready for a roll call?
You can say something.
I also want to express, say that I feel that we owe a debt of gratitude to Lance Sterling because he came along when the bowl was not doing well at all. I believe he was the only one. I wasn't quite here yet it was just before 2016 But so thank you and I do hope that you'll work with Ojai Valley Music. I got to be honest, I was undecided as to what was the better choice because I'm concerned that the hour is late or very late in the year but we have to deal with what we have and part of me wanted the security of the good contract that we have with Lance, but obviously the enthusiasm for Ojai Valley music is completely contagious. So I will be a yes vote as well. Thank you everyone.
Great speakers.
Could I just, and this is just tangential anecdotal. So, I've heard from a number of people how great the show was Grateful Shred And I never, they said oh you know the Ojai Valley Land Conservancy they can really promote a show. They really know how to do it it was the best promoted show I've been to and I've heard that from a number of people setting aside as a Grateful Dead cover band is not the point but then I read the proposal and I saw actually David was the promoter And I did not ever realize that. I thought that the Ojai, the Land Conservancy had promoted it themselves. So when I saw that this had come to me just over the last year or so what a great show that was. So I just wanted to kind of do a shout out for the public inadvertently whatever just saying what a great promotion that was and it really took into account The audience and how important that was.
Water stations, I mean, I got the lowdown so that kind of sealed the deal for me from when I got this. So thank you very much for having done that. Okay, I think we're ready
for the
roll
call. You know, it's not the greatest situation to be in when you've got two contracts, two firms coming before you with Contract and and so, you know one is not getting our Approval but I think you know we all really Sterling Greta data Dead of gratitude And he's you know, he's done great for us over the years and I shouldn't take it at all that. He's I think we're just really fortunate to have had You know, two really good options to have here. And and we're choosing one that we think is a little bit better.
OK, all right now we're ready for the roll call. Yes, Mayor. Thank
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Thank you and thank you everyone for coming out and speaking We will return to the second section of public comment So we'll begin with Larry Steingold then Lisa Graham, and then Jesse Austin It's Larry. Larry is still here.
Why would I want to go home? It's fun here. Sure.
Can we start the clock? OK, thank you. And thank you all for leaving quietly.
James, we're just waiting on the crowd real quick.
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I think we should give the whole town a great round of applause for Ojai Day, because it was great and everybody participated. And Toastmasters is 7 AM Friday for anybody who would like to come and start learning how to speak in front of audience. Thank you very much for the process that you just had. That was a nice discussion without any rancor, vehemence, beating of the breasts, anything.
I hope I don't keep anybody up. Regarding the real estate question that was asked earlier, I've worked with a lot of governments and there's nothing wrong with helping steer or cut properties from a list. That makes no sense. The park and rec issue, November 19th is way too far. You people call special meetings at a drop of a hat anyway so why not have it sooner before the election? It would be nice.
Please tell the park and rec manager not to give away or sell or do anything with the equipment even though they're trying to I guess put two pickleball days in there now in the gym Because I got a notice for pickleball, drop in. That's what I got. I saw it. I don't know if it's true or not but that's what I saw.
Where'd you see it?
Got an email. Park and Rec.
Saw it.
Pickleball at the gym. It has to be at the gym because there's no pickleball courts at Sarzotti yet.
Mr. City Manager? Don't worry,
Mr. Steingold will get his time just for the record we're not making any change as a press release indicated we're not making changes to the existing programming that is in place until we get council direction if it is provided on the 19th there could be I'm not familiar with every single tweak and change in the recreation program that we have going on there could be some drop-in pickleball play that I'm not aware of but it's not impacting if there is it's
Well, it can't be in the gym. Right? But that's beside the point. The point is we don't have a park and rec committee. They're the ones that should be determining and overseeing the park and rec activities. The commission even with and then help direct and advise. And that's what they're supposed to do. Police populated, it's obviously intentional that it's not populated which now we have a crisis. You've got a lot of people annoyed over this thing and it just seems that either the manager is either doing it on his own or he's being directed at one or the other. It's either coming from the city council, the city manager, the assistant city manager. It' s coming from somewhere unless he's doing it himself and if he's doing it himself then somebody needs to say hey This isn't the way we do business here.
I'm sorry, OK? So and if one of the city councilors are involved own it. If you're trying to strip and redirect everything in park and rec, please put back on the committee. And that's what the committee is for populated. So please, it's been a long time so we don't have Park and Rec Commission and keep the gymnastics in place. But more importantly get that we shouldn't be here about Park and Rec. If they had a committee, this whole thing would be unnecessary
Thank you Larry. Next we have Lisa Graham, then Jesse Austin and then William Wyrick who's not here. Lisa? Jesse?
Honorable City Council members. My name is Jessie Austin and while I genuinely appreciate that you have scheduled a special meeting for us to speak out, respectfully that isn't for another month. So yes, I am here tonight to speak on behalf of the children of Ojai. And I'm going to continue to show up at every opportunity to speak about this very important issue.
But tonight I'm actually here to speak more broadly about the Recreation Department because this is a bigger issue than gymnastics. I emailed you all requesting that the meeting be moved to an earlier date and that the subject be expanded to include all Recreation Department programs, but I haven't heard back from anyone. Unfortunately, the gymnasts are not the only group affected by the recent changes made to the Recreation Department.
Art, pottery, horseback riding, aikido, softball, the Little Free Library and more have been eliminated or reduced. In a small town with limited activities for children this is reprehensible. The Parks and Rec's commission needs to be reinstated immediately so that oversight can be provided by the people these decisions affect most. The families of the Ojai Valley.
And yes, there was a pickleball flyer that came out. It's advertised between 8 o'clock and 230 on Tuesdays and Thursdays for ages 16 plus some of which are in school during that time and that does affect gymnastics because there are tiny tots programs those days.
Thank you,
Jesse. Where did you send your letter?
Via the city of Ojai website
where it said to click. When did you send
it? I think the end of last week.
OK, I'm going to check because maybe I overlooked it but I don't remember. I must have overlooked it. Sorry.
Thank you, Jesse. Bernie Larson is not in the house. Bill Miley? Nope. Jessica, I'm not sure what the last name is. Omish? Is she here? Oh, OK. Hi, Jessica.
So I don't know if I can do this with my phone, but I can put your pickleball flyer into the record if you are able to do that. So thanks for letting me speak tonight I appreciate your time and taking into consideration what we have to say as residents of the Ojai Valley. Those of whom who participate and pay into the City of Ojai's revenue through property taxes, transport taxes, sales taxes, as well as public program enrollments.
I'd like to take a second to inform you all in case you are unaware that the population of the Ojai Valley youth is 4,658. That is the entire Ojai Valley. As of this year the population of Ojai's youth in just the city proper is one thousand two hundred and eighty. And I'll tell you why I'm giving you these numbers in just a second. The Ojai Valley boasts a poverty rate of eight point nine percent.
Gymnastics is one of the only public programs that is not only accessible to all of the Ojai Valley but it's also affordable The gymnastics programs bring excuse me I'm nervous. The gymnastics program brings in over one hundred thousand dollars in revenue a year. It supports two hundred and fifty three kids in enrollment every eight weeks. It's not the exact same kids every eight weeks because there are waiting lists and we all sit there and try and hurry and get our name on the list for some of the classes I want to reiterate one more time that all of the Ojai Valley, all citizens in the Ojai Valley contribute to the rec department and the city revenue.
There has been a lot of mention about the amount of students or sorry gymnasts that are participating in the gymnastics program only 50 percent being within the city limits. Well if you look at the numbers that I just gave you there is only approximately twelve hundred kids in the entire valley Or sorry within city limits. So actually those numbers are pretty good if you're getting 50 percent of your just Ojai proper kids participating in that and then the greater Ojai Valley is supporting the rest of the program I don't understand why you would want to cut it there is a lot of misinformation that has been put out by the City Manager and the Park Manager and I wanted to address some of those things before our meeting in November which should be earlier And now I don't have
to. Thank you, Jessica. Zoe. That's fine. Gee, well, I'm sorry we don't share time. We can't do that. No. I'm getting, Mr. City Attorney would you like to?
Yeah the city's policy is that it's three minutes per person per item reading a letter is not something that we do to get extra time the letter can be submitted to the record and then it'll be distributed to the city
yeah yeah I'm sorry No, I'm sorry. We just we can't do that. All right. Jeffrey's
the record through the email.
Jeffrey Starkweather is still here. Nope. Jim Fairchild. No. Randy Haney. No Ryan Childs. Is he still here? Serge Becker. Severa Lara and then we have David Channing and Starchild
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Good evening. Thank you, Mayor Sticks, council members, city staff. I'm here to talk about gymnastics. I was a past Park and Recreation Commissioner. I was a past council member. And I was the former mayor for the City of Ojai. It saddens me to come here and speak to you all about this program. Because when I was on the Park and Recreation Commission, we supported this program.
We wanted to find ways to improve it, to make it better. I'm not sure if you guys have had the opportunity to go to their yearly celebration. I didn't go until I was a Park and Recreation Commissioner, and it was incredible to see the amount of kids, the amount of parents, the amount of support that was behind this program. Now there's also an issue here with process because there seems to be a disconnect, mistrust now with the community.
So I hope that you really take into consideration these public comments especially the kids that have come up to the podium to speak in favor of gymnastics and what it does not just physically mentally emotionally it does everything In the letter I wrote, there is something I do agree about diversifying programs. That's valid but let's think outside the box to make our Park and Recreation Department better.
And let's start to win the trust of the community. And you could do that by at the end of the meeting suggesting a new agenda item on November 19th about how you're gonna keep the program going, And talk about how you're going to make this department better, how we're going to fill the vacancies of the Park and Recreation Commission. There are steps that we could do now to start communicating with our community that we do care about the gymnastic program, that we're able to work out things that we need to improve.
But I strongly feel that we need leadership We need you guys to step up because I'm not sure what's going on, but what we're reading from the public and what we're hearing from the community is not good. It means that we need somebody in those shoes, some leaders that really understand the city of Ojai. So I really urge you to take our comments to heart and really start getting the trust of the community.
Thank you, Savera. David Channing?
Good evening. My name is David Channing. I've lived here in Ojai for 14 years. I am a musician. I'm pleased that we're moving ahead with the Libby Bowl thing but I did want to comment on something that I felt there wasn't enough. I know this is going to be further discussion and there was discussion of bicycle valets Parking, you're talking about a thousand seat facility and you're going to be raising the visibility and opening it to potentially national acts and diversifying. And all of that's wonderful but to support the businesses in Ojai and the neighbors in Ojai I mean, I understand the excitement. A lot of people live in the Ojai Valley some from Miners Oaks. I live about 100 yards from the Libby Bowl and I'm telling you there's inadequate parking so please make that an important part of your discussion thank you
Thank you, David. Next we have Starchild.
Good evening. Madam Mayor earlier when we started this meeting I heard you make a mistake and you said that November is the time for the public to bring up any issues regarding the gymnastics program In reality, that time was June 25th when you had the closed session meeting and didn't include the public. We have a transparency problem here in Ojai and it's time to stop hiding things from the public Today, this council had the option to extend public comments so that all the children who came here could be heard. It's now 944. They're in bed but today you're gonna hear from Zoe Omish and I'm gonna read what she wrote.
Thank you for letting me talk tonight. My name is Zoe Omish and I would like to take a minute to tell you about gymnastics Gymnastics is important to me because it feels like a family. They're so supportive of me and everyone. It doesn't matter if you look different or act different, they're nice and supportive. Everyone is nice and happy in gymnastics. If when you were a kid there was a sport that you really loved that made you feel safe and heard and gave you goals to work toward and then someone was trying to take that away how would you feel about that?
I feel that's unfair and depressing to me. I don't know what it would do if you took gymnastics away. It's unfair to take away gymnastics and lie about it. I've been going since I was a toddler, the coaches and other girls are like my family. Now you're talking about taking gymnastics away from me and my friends. That makes me mad sad and confused. I hate thinking that you're trying to shut it down If you take away gymnastics from us, you're taking away community that was made through gymnastics which gives us an opportunity to push our limits and accomplish something bigger than ourselves. Please reconsider. Thank you for listening to me tonight.
Throughout this whole process, the closed door meeting on 625, this council decided to work without input from the community. It's time to move towards transparency. One way we can do that is for Council of the Way of Privilege about the 625 meeting There are big questions to be had. Did the council direct the city to dispose of any equipment? Did they direct the city to close the gymnastics program?
Was there any discussion and potential litigation or was there none at all? Those are all questions that could be answered if you waive privilege. Additionally, the Commission needs to be constituted for Parks and Rec and that needs to be prioritized over filling the fifth seat on the Planning Commission. I'd also like to submit for public comment a letter from my neighbor.
Thank you Starchild. Any comments online Weston?
Yes Mayor we have one raised hand from Sunny. Sunny you have the floor and you may unmute. Go ahead, Sonny.
Hi. Hi. It's actually I think it's on that but this is Katie Donovan from District 2 and I wanted to speak today To the Parks and Rec, a lot of people have expressed their concern. And I would also like to express my concern with the lack of a Parks and Recreation Commission. I wanted to take a moment to read from our municipal code that our Parks and Rec Department is to act in an advisory capacity to the Council on all matters pertaining to recreation programs and facilities.
To become, and so as a parks commissioner you can come knowledgeable about the general field of recreation. And the reason I read that specifically is because during this instance, there has been no. Reaching out or the community is not able to provide input because we have no parks and rec commission. And I do think that this is a result of the council's plan to restructure the way in which all commissions are appointed, but now that is to the detriment of a wonderful program In our valley, which my daughters have participated in one is currently participating in but not just gymnastics several of these programs through our recreation department.
And additionally. I have attended to contribute and have heard nothing back because of this delaying installing of the restructuring of how the commissions are appointed, but this instance that we're in right now is such an illustration of why these commissions and having complete functioning commissions are so important because all of this input could have already been had.
And these young kids don't have to be going through this kind of emotional turmoil, these families don't have to be going through this because these are really important things. And so I just, I really urge the city to take into consideration and take the time to move forward on the appointing of specifically the Parks and Recreation Commission. Thank you so much.
Thank you, Katie. All right. That is the end of public communication so
we'll move on to agenda item number three.
Mayor if I could just really quickly just on the question of some new pickleball flyer there is no new pickleball programming going on at the gym. There's an old flyer that has been circulating around social media that folks have picked up but there's not any new programs that we're offering and we're not cutting back gymnastics so that we can have a new pickleball drop in at the gym. There will be new pickleball programming at Soule Park and you may see a flyer about that, but that's it so far
Thank you. Okay item number three Introduction of ordinance adding article 3 to chapter 6 of title 1 of the Ojai Municipal Code establishing an administrative remedies procedure for challenges to fees Charges and assessments we have a staff report
Yes, Madam Mayor. Very briefly this ordinance is designed to take advantage of new state law that takes effect January 1st the new law provides in very summary fashion that anyone seeking to challenge a fee charge or assessment imposed on property owners or certain kinds of businesses under Proposition 218 which is typically that are fees or charges for Uh, certain property related services like the Plaza Maintenance District or the other landscaping lighting districts. Or if we ever had a water sewer program, something like that not taxes and not permit fees.
If you're trying to challenge 1 of those kinds of fees, the new state law lets us require a written opposition to be filed. At the time, the fee is adopted. And if you don't file that written opposition, you cannot sue on it. So if we ever look at something like adjusting our landscape and lighting district assessments, this will let us help insulate those fees against challenge or at least reduce the likelihood of a successful challenge.
And it's a new state law takes effect January 1st. We recommend getting our ordinance in place ahead of that. Hence, it's for your review and approval and recommendation for introduction tonight. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Any questions from council?
So I heard you say this does not apply to taxes.
Correct, this is for fees charges and assessments under Prop 218, not taxes. Taxes is a whole separate law.
Okay thank you
Okay, no public comment in the house anything online Weston. All right We will move on to a discussion who would like to begin or put a motion on the table Councilmember rule
Yeah, I'll put a motion on the table as it is You know getting us in compliance with state law. I can't see any reason Not to do so and I am happy to waive the first reading of the ordinance um you know, I'm assuming that you know, this is Just us getting our ducks in a row. So I'm going to make a motion that we go ahead and introduce and waive first reading of the ordinance adding Article 3 to Chapter 6 of Title 1 of the Ojai Municipal Code establishing an administrative remedy procedure for challenges due fees, charges, and assessments.
All right. Anyone else like to make a comment? Mayor Pro
Tem? Yeah, just a question on the on the waiving of a second reading. Oh, mm-mm.
Waiving the first reading. The second reading will have to happen at next meeting. OK. What? We still take two votes. Sorry. Let's clarify that. Yeah. The motion was to waive reading every the entire ordinance and reading it in full every word. OK, we'll still have to do two votes though. This isn't an urgency ordinance. All right. Then I withdraw my question.
Okay, I think we're ready for and thank you to Mr. City Attorney for bringing this forward much appreciated of course all right roll call please
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motion passes
Thank you very much.
We will move on to item number four, electrification of city-owned buildings and we have a presentation from our Public Works Director, Lindy Palmer. Thank you very much.
So good evening, mayor and council members. Kind of late in the late in the evening, but I'll try to be quick. So the item in front of you tonight, I'm not expecting any action. I'm not asking for any action. This is just a receive and file. And we've had some discussions of late on electrification of the city. So I just wanted to give you a brief overview of what we're doing.
I know it's become a very, very high priority item and for you the community as well as us in public works. So we're making some headway. So some of the things that... Of course, the city has already moved forward with some... We've been... Let's see. Hang on a second. I'm tired. So we've made some strides in being electrified and low emissions, et cetera in the city already. So we've not allowed we prohibited the use of gas power tools already some time ago along with some other items.
We have continued to transition our fleet to electric vehicles. We actually took receipt today of another electric vehicle that's sitting out across from City Hall right now. So so we're trying to do that quickly In addition, we are utilizing resources that are available to us. SoCal REN being one of them, we have enrolled with them within the last couple of weeks and trying to take advantage of some of the services and incentives and rebates that they can offer in services for us so we're currently Working on replacing all of our gas water heaters throughout the city. So we have eight or nine in our city facilities, so we are continuing to replace those. We've got some on order right now and will be submitting the documentation to SoCalRent Southern California Regional Energy Network if you need to know what that is And if we can, if the units that we are replacing qualify for their rebates, we will be getting rebates and incentives through them.
So we're working towards that as well as something I will be bringing back to council in the next probably in November it looks like we're working towards that would be an agreement with CPA with Clean Power Alliance And the program that they currently offer is, it's providing the design analysis construction management for a single facility in the city. So we're working through what we think the best facility would be to identify that for them to work on that for us. We're pretty far down the road in knowing what we need to do for our facilities We've got a list that was provided to us back in June. We referred to that as Phil's List, and I've also met with Mr. White as well so he and I have had some numerous discussions about that.
And in addition we will be coming back to council. We will be actually issuing an RFP for a design build process for all of the facilities Aside from this singular one that CPA will be working on for us. So we are working on putting together an RFP right now. We met with some folks last week who we've got a list of a lot of consultants now who are kind of moving in this direction it's really kind of a thing these days as you can expect so we have quite a few consultants we plan on reaching out to without RFP and the hope is that by December we can Interview the consultants and select one who we think is going to provide the service that we want so With that I can take any questions.
Any questions from Council? No Okay, any public comment on this item
no mayor no raised hands on zoom but let's extend an option for item 4 for our zoom participants Still no raised hands mayor, so we'll move on.
Okay let's move on to discussion anyone
do we just need a motion to receive and file? Do
we need a motion?
No action needed just to receive and file it's to literally receive
and file all right any comments before we move on um well I would just like to say thank you to Ms. Palmer for moving this forward it's such great progress in terms of getting off of gas and oil and also thank you to SoCal Ren And Clean Power Alliance, two incredible organizations. I've been serving on Clean Power Alliance for the last four years and I'm on the executive committee and our city is so lucky to have their support in terms of design analysis. So thank you very much.
Anyone else? Thank
you. I'll just echo the thank you. And I'm impressed with the progress we're making,
right? Yeah. Yes, we
do.
Thank you. No, it's exciting. There's a lot of fun things going on, you know?
Okay. All right. Council, it's 10 o'clock normally, we don't take any new items after 10. How do y'all We have one more item on the agenda. The
My preference would be to end, but I'm open to not ending.
Okay. I would like to keep going. Council Member Francina?
I'd like to go home so would Weston.
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But I'll stay of course! If we were to postpone this to the November 12th agenda how is that looking at this point? Well because also the public wants to stay.
Well, let's just speak. Let's be candid I mean we could do it folks But we just would need to start earlier than what your schedule start date is Start time excuse me
you mean start at 5 instead of 6 at least
okay? I would say 430 would probably be more realistic and be ready for a long evening You got a lot of stuff. We can do it
Well, it's only one minute after 10. I mean, if we had just taken it, we'd have been on time. OK, well, you know, could
we go until 10? Is everyone up for 1030?
Tell us more. I like the idea of starting at 430. I'd like to do that every meeting.
It's not going to work for me. I mean, if five might work. I think if you did that, you just would have to have the appetite and I know you guys do to just say like okay this is going to be a long meeting we're going to start at five and be here until as long as it takes
Okay, it's 10 o'clock now. Why would we not do this? We have gone after 10 o'clock so many times. I think it's 10 30 here. Okay, our city. Okay, well, how about me? I mean, we can take a vote. We can take a vote and that's fine.
Well, I think we have three votes to continue at this point. And let's take this off the play. Come up for air at 1030 and see how we're feeling. How's that?
OK, I'll talk. Be efficient. Good evening, Mayor and Council members. So this is the ordinance that you requested that we draft from the concept review of the rights of nature. Program ordinance, so there are a few parts to this. It provides rights of Ojai residents and natural communities to clean water free from pollution in soil from excess phosphorus. It provides rights of natural communities within city limits to exist flourish and regenerate without harm caused by water and soil pollution And then it prohibits certain activities which violate the rights and provide enforcement for those prohibitions. And then it allows property owners to install and maintain managed natural landscapes in furtherance of the right of those communities to exist.
So something that I would like to note here, that is somewhat unusual from other rights of nature ordinances is we've created a universe. That the rights exist within so a lot of the rights of nature ordinances are quite broad in fact. They're overbroad from what the courts have found. So what we've done here is, the only way that the rights can be enforced is if there's a violation of the prohibition. So for example, if someone adds a pollutant to water, that could be a violation of the rights of the animals that live within the water. I'm sorry.
If they add a pollutant to the water and it causes harm, That would be a violation of the rights of the water itself, the animals that live in the water, the plants that thrive from the water. So by way of example for purposes of efficiency I'm going to stop talking and I'm happy to answer questions that you may have about the Rights of Nature Ordinance.
Any questions from Council?
Can we look, may I? Can we look on attachment A page five for section 5-16.03, a local bill of rights and I would like better understanding of that paragraph it says The last sentence, use of the city of Ojai government by the sovereign people to make law and policy shall not be deemed by any authority to eliminate or reduce that self-governing authority. And someone pointed out to me that the term sovereign people is used by people who don't think they have to obey the law. That they can print their own driver's license and that they're above the law.
And I should credit, I don't know if he's still here but he is. Lenny Klaif called that to my attention so maybe he'll speak on it but I'm just curious
about this. So this principle is enforcing the idea that the city of Ojai has the right to regulate things within its boundaries and to adopt laws such as this is the point of that? It does not give residents the right to print their own driver's licenses. If you're uncomfortable, we can strike the language if you'd prefer to.
Council
Member
Lange has a
comment.
So just to follow up with Council Member Francina there is that movement, the sovereignty movement that emerged during COVID with masks and mask wearing and so is there another word we can use other than sovereign? I
apologize for choosing something so triggering. Let me get out the source unless Matt has something.
Honestly, my suggestion is to delete the four word phrase by the sovereign people. So the relevant sentence simply says use of the City of Ojai government to make law and policy shall not be deemed to eliminate or reduce that self-governing authority which refers to the prior sentence regarding the right of residents to exercise their municipal self-government under other laws.
Thank you. I just want to clarify, I was not making a personal comment about COVID or mask wearing or sovereignty. Yes. I was simply saying that it can be a triggering word for some people. I just wanted to clarify. I apologize
for not
being up-to-speed on that.
Yeah, yeah. I only learned about it today. Okay.
We will go ahead and take public comment. Any more questions? Okay, let's start with Leonard Claife then Larry Steingold then Mr. Miley is gone so then Andy Gilman
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Leonard Claife, the Sovereign People's Movement started way before COVID. It started in the 50s or the 60s. There are legitimately tens of thousands of Americans who think that if they just proclaim themselves to be sovereign citizens then they are. and that they can print their own driver's licenses, they're not subject to criminal laws. I've tried to represent some of those people.
They're aligned with the militias and it's dangerous language when you don't know what that word means to other people. And it's not a joke. It's seriously serious people who are from my perspective crazed and delusional. And it all goes back to their belief that Ohio was not properly admitted to the union because of some irregularity in the vote to admit them, and therefore everything that's been done thereafter is illegal because Ojai isn't really a state. And as nutty as that sounds there are like a lot of people who believe that so that's why I called it everybody to the council's attention i know what it was inadvertent but it is potentially serious you don't want to get involved with those people believe me A couple other things on this, if I may.
I'm not sure and I leave this to council. Does the city have the authority to grant standing for people to sue in state court? I have my doubts but again, I leave that to council as a question. The other problem I have with this, and obviously the idea behind it is wonderful. But for example on page F12 subdivision BC makes it illegal to display or distribute for retail sale certain fertilizers.
Then it says that they have to, it's not illegal to sell it but you have to keep it behind the counter and you have to show certain things in order to buy it. And the things that you have to sell in order to buy it are in three of that which is down at the bottom of that page F12 And so if you can come in with a soil scientist saying that you need this stuff, you can put it in the ground.
But what is a soil scientist? Who is a soil scientist? What decides someone that... Am I a soil scientist? Have I claimed to be a soil scientist? Your exceptions are so vague as to make meaningless the prohibition. So thank you.
Thank you, Len. Next we have Larry Steingold and Andy Gilman.
I urge you to kick this down the road to next month. Concentrate on education. Last week, two weeks ago, Barry Rabb mentioned a quote. I will read you the quote again. This is by Thomas Lindsay, your guru or somebody's guru here who you follow as a shaman or something.
Please Larry.
That's OK, please. Thank you. You're welcome. But again, that's the kind of point. CELDF, that's Community Environmental Legal Defense Fund founded by Mr. Lindsay. But he quotes, I quote, we don't care if we have to file for municipal bankruptcy. Lindsay said echoing an interview he gave Reuters in 2015, if a town goes bankrupt trying to defend one of our ordinances, well perhaps that's exactly what is needed to trigger a national movement But again, that's the kind of point. CLCF is looking for local officials such as yourselves, Leslie and Rachel, Lindsay saying echoing we don't care if we have to file for municipal bankruptcy. He re-echoed an interview he gave Reuters in 2015. If a town goes bankrupt trying to defend one of our ordinances well be perhaps that's exactly what is needed to trigger a national movement Which one of you wants to own the bankruptcy of this city?
Do you, Leslie? Do you, Rachel? The mayor, you're leaving. But this vote can continue. Susan, you're leaving. You own this if you vote on it. Bankruptcy is a big deal, okay? Mr. Whitman, you'll own it, okay, if this is what happens. Go for it. But I don't think, I think more about education. Educating about the earth, educating about the soil, educating about the air. You want to put a few laws on for phosphorus so it comes down whatever.
But this is dangerous for my financial stability in this town. I like having services. I don' want to own bankruptcy and don't look away because you'll own this if it happens. Okay, because that's the point. This man and his movement doesn't care about bankruptcy. It's his own quote. You guys are following this thing—this guy. Fine! The earth needs help. Okay, do it. You can pass laws on site work. You can pass a word on drainage. Is concrete being poured on the ground going to change waterways?
I mean this stuff, it's going to get expensive. Okay we have money let's spend it on lawsuits the lawyers will make money great but if you pass it you'll own it if it happens negatively positively great
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Thank you Larry. Could I
respond
Mayor? We generally, according to our Code of Conduct we don't respond to public comment. It's not in our code of conduct. Mr. City Attorney did you want to say something?
Well I was going to suggest that Mr. Steingold is not getting a second but at public comment the council of course gets time to discuss the agenda item and if in the course of discussing the agenda item that includes responding information raised by the public that would be an order.
All
right. Just just for to notice up till now we have always been able as is allowed to respond briefly to public comment as long as it doesn't enter into a conversation between two council people are we now not no longer doing that
No, you can respond. It's just not a conversation. It's a council discussion, not a conversation between Council members and the public. They don't get a second or third bite.
No of course they don't but we are allowed to respond to public comment make a brief response to it. We always have if we're changing you know like part of
the
agenda yeah in real time like not wait until discussion I'm just clarifying we've always been able to respond to a public comment At the time, provided it was brief and we've done that. That's been the norm if it's no longer the norm then it's good to know that but when did that change? We've always said I'd like to respond to that public comment and it's always been okay but if it's not that anymore then we should know Do you understand? You're looking at me like you're puzzled.
No, I think we've gone back and forth on this particular point but I think through the mayor it's in order for a brief response with public comment but the commenter doesn't get a second bite.
No of course not. He also doesn't get to make conditions.
Proceed.
OK, thank you. So I would like to point out to everyone who happens to be out there that there is a difference between activism and governance. And Thomas Lindsay is an activist. The people up here are governors. We govern. We keep the city in our perspective at all times. So to say that we are following a guru and we're willing to put the city into I would just ask you to be a little bit more, and this has to be a safe space so I'm gonna let it be that.
But I just wanna make the difference between activism and governance. And we're up here to govern.
Okay
next we have Andy Gilman.
Thank you, Council and staff. Very exciting night tonight. Good job. So it seems to me this initiative is really innovative and far reaching and I'm not opposed to it. And I think that this ordinance potentially break some very long standing boundaries So given that and given the magnitude of it, I don't understand what the rush is about. And so especially when something's going to be approved that's so different from the norm.
So while there was a public forum right after it was introduced, I would suggest more workshops are warranted. For example, I would love to hear from our farmers about the phosphorus criteria. Does it work for them? Does it make sense? Could it be expanded or whatever? I would love to hear from other cities, either their councils or their legal staff how was it challenged? How did we work around it or whatever? It just seems if you're going to do something really big, you wouldn't want to do it like at 10 o'clock when nobody's around or that you have one workshop that wasn't very well attended When other things have much more time given to them, that's something so big. So it seems to me if an ordinance like this is passed and we have to continually return to it to make adjustments then we're going to undermine the desired effect.
So for something that has such a major role you know a major impact I would suggest a big rollout long term over time Again, if there's some pressing issue that I don't know about, that's different. But I'm not aware of one. So I would suggest a slower course. Thanks.
Thank you, Andy. Any comments online, Weston?
No, Mayor. No raised hands.
All right. We will move on to discussion. Who would like to begin?
Yeah, I'll begin. What the heck? I guess first, I would dispute that there's no fiscal impact to be experienced by the city. I think the first time somebody is challenged based upon what's in this ordinance, there's going to be a lawsuit and Apparently historically this, those lawsuits are lost. And so I guess there's no fiscal impact if we're committing to not defend the ordinance but if we're gonna defend the ordinance and that it's Valid will be real party in interest. And so We would be incurring fees there's also You know some prohibitive conduct That specified in this ordinance, so there's necessarily Enforcement activity although we've often received the criticism from This city manager and prior city manager.
That you know might be a good idea but how the heck do you enforce that? And I think it's pretty, I don't know what the enforcement mechanism is to figure out how people are fertilizing. The Boy, the idea of telling I think, I was trying to think what retailers in the city limits sell fertilizer that has phosphorus in it. And I believe there's one but I'm not 100% sure about that.
And yet if somebody wants to buy a fertilizer with phosphorus in it, they can go do that at a number of different places in the greater Ojai area. So why are we punishing one retailer who might want to sell fertilizer and telling them you can't sell fertilizer anymore? Phosphorus is actually It's considered very beneficial. In fact, it's in the staff report. It's actually good for plants.
The problem is when you use too much of it and it runs out and accumulates then you potentially create algae blooms and other things that are damaging to the ecosystem So I don't really have a problem with talking about a regulation to address, you know runoff of fertilizers. There's really kind of a... To me there's kind of a fundamental disconnect between the rights of nature and then the phosphorus thing and I do appreciate that Taylor worked hard to create a avenue that would, you know, maybe withstand some challenges, legal challenges that have been successful in the past.
But the rights of community, of nature and the regulation of how we might be polluting things is kind They seem like they're two separate ordinances to me. We're basically the rights of nature concept is challenging traditional legal notions and as an attorney I have lots and lots of questions that I won't talk about because I know I'm not going to get two more votes on this one but I really question whether we have the ability to alter rights that have evolved through centuries of legal evolution.
And so, I think that Ojai is better served by Watching what other communities have done and when they've done it successfully. Adopted. If it's fits our needs but I'm not aware of a community that has done this successfully so I would not be supporting this.
Can I just ask the question there are community cities who have adopted this correct
So each of the prohibitions have been adopted by cities and they currently have survived challenges. The versions that you see before you are tweaked for Ojai's situation because they are located in different places, but the principle of those ordinances remained the same. Thank you.
But yeah, I'll just go ahead and talk. You know this is complicated. So the evolution of rights is an evolution. There used to be no rights for women, there used to be no rights for children, there used to be no rights for African Americans. So yes this is a big leap to go away from human rights but rights has always been an expansive and inclusive concept And so that's the first thing about rights.
I would ask Taylor really to speak too, because she worked really hard to make this We're going to talk about this, aspirational but also to be able to survive legal challenges. That is the difference between activism and governance. And I had that conversation today with my colleagues. Governance is about leading. It's about seeing a vision and seeing how you can do it.
And that's what I think that this ordinance is. And I trusted our legal staff to work really hard, to make it as bulletproof as possible and in the end, the City Council will have the ability to decide to move forward on any lawsuit or not. So you know, that has always been a city council's decision. As far as Rolling this out slowly and you know, I think the education can follow. And we do in fact have a sort of friendly amendment motion for education but I see no reason to wait.
It was poorly attended there's been articles in the paper anyone who wanted to make any public comment was free to do so they could have sent it in to public comment they didn't And so I'm uninclined to wait for the public to, you know, comment back. It's been out there for a month and there's been There hasn't been, there's been an amazing amount, amazing lack of people negatively responding. In fact everybody I have talked to and yes perhaps I'm an activist when I get there but everybody I have talked to has said This is a good idea. We need to change the way we associate and the way we think about our interactions with nature, and this seems to be the most promising way to do it.
On Chumash land, we had a Lifetime Achievement Award given to a Chumash elder. We know that this is being adopted in tribal lands but they are their own governing system, sovereign as you might say. So for that reason, I'm uninclined to just keep trying to roll it out. We've got a ton of stuff. So I'm going to make a motion. I would like to sort of make an amendment to this that has to do with an educational component for our commissions and staff, to truly understand what the ramifications of this might be in their day-to-day analysis and work. So while I get that up, I'm happy to pass the mic to anyone who would like to speak.
Yes, so I second what Councilmember Rule just said and to Larry's point, Larry, I had the same concerns that you had and in fact there were times listening to Mr. Lindsey At our, at our event that we had and also in the course that we're taking when I have been very pushed back quite a bit about the level of activism. These were things that we brought into our conversation with Taylor, with our city attorneys.
And so we really worked to avoid any of the legal challenges or other challenges that other cities have faced when passing these kinds of ordinances. And we did create, so I think our initial goal was this is a movement that is really advancing the conversations around environmental protection. and environmental integrity. And we wanted to be a part of those conversations, but we wanted to do them in a way that would really speak to concerns that we would have here in Ojai.
And so I think that Taylor did a great job of doing that, of walking that fine line. Of allowing us to be forward thinking in how we care for our community and the nature in our community but also how do we protect the city from the expense of legal action? So I just wanted to point that out and to say that yes, the movement has activists who are very passionate and who are willing to take people into bankruptcy. But we as council members are not willing to take us into bankruptcy.
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Thank
you.
Well, first I would like to thank Councilmember Rule and Councilmember Lange for bringing this forward really appreciate all the hard work that you put into this the diligence and really the bravery to bring something forward that is a big leap. I also want to thank our Assistant City Attorney Taylor Who worked so hard on this to make it palatable and workable, and that's a huge step forward. And I think what we're really talking about here is that we need a shift in consciousness, and I think all of us would agree that from separation to connection, we actually are all connected. to the water, to the trees, to each other, to the plants, to the animals.
And we took a wrong turn when we thought that we were disconnected not connecting to each other and I really feel like as As it was said earlier, we are the gatekeepers of the world. And it's our responsibility to show up and be that at this point. We've been on the wrong track for hundreds of years which is why we have ended up in this place of crisis where our planet is actually burning up.
So I think it's time now that we step forward and say, there is no community without nature. Nature is community which includes all of us and we are nature. So before there were centuries of legal evolution to get there, we lived in a time when people actually saw themselves as part of the planet not separate And I feel that while this is aspirational, it can survive legal challenge and I really trust our legal team.
And I think that we as Councilmember Rules said we have the ability to move forward on a lawsuit or not so we have that choice. So we are all logical rational human beings and we don't want to put the city in any place of jeopardy And yet, I think it's at the time historically where we have to embrace nature as part of us. So I would support this and I'm grateful to both of you for doing it.
I support everything that my colleagues have just stated. I support it wholeheartedly. I just have maybe a mundane question on page 5-3 of the bottom paragraph that begins residents and property owners in Ojai can create and maintain managed natural landscapes on their property I'm not understanding this part about native vegetation over eight inches tall, as long as you know like is that some standard?
So yeah. Do we need that level of detail? Yes.
Okay because Even with this, obviously there is fire risk within the city. So there is discretion with the Director of Community Development and the Fire Chief and the Health Department if a native landscape creates a fire hazard or health hazard. So the eight inches is a consistent standard that's used in other jurisdictions that have adopted this ordinance With that being said, we still here in Ojai have to contend with fire concerns. So really trying to allow for spaces that have native vegetation including native grasses but managing the The fire risk part of it. Yeah, yeah. So that's where that that information is coming from. Thank
you.
You're welcome.
Yeah. I'm ready to.
OK. All right. We ready for roll call today? One thing and I had forgotten about this over a year ago. I had a rights of nature forum that was much better attended than this last one. And there I find that there is a lot of support in Ojai for this and a real appetite To figure out how we can do this, and this. to give people that sort of guidance for me. And that's what people wanted at that first forum, they wanted to know what do we do next? How do we move forward with this? How do we make this happen? And so we're blessed that we have a council that is willing to do that and so I feel particularly blessed That I have a council.
I'm part of the council that will do this and, you know, city attorneys who will work really hard to give us what we really need but also protect us and I feel like you did that Taylor, you protected us, but you gave us what we wanted and so I thank you very very much. Yeah, and I'm gonna wait.
Yeah,
I'm sorry
I think maybe we should mention that you also spoke with Julie to my Stensley at length And this is in keeping with our the whole Chumash Philosophy, you know that it's part of our heritage. I think we can note that as well Thank you. Okay ready for a roll
call? No
No,
wait. Council member Rule paused her motion and then didn't come back to it. And then if I could ask a small favor? Of course. If you could also include in your motion to strike in section 5-16.03a the language by the sovereign people
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Yes,
that would be so great. Thank you
right so I'm gonna make a motion that we pass the We introduce and pass an ordinance at adding chapter 5-6 to the Ojai Municipal Court Code the rights of nature and to include To direct staff to create educational materials for city staff officials and commissioners To use when considering the rights of nature when adopting and recommending city policies And also that we strike in section 5-16.03 The words by the sovereign people
All right, I'll second it
Roll-call vote Passed 4–1 motion clearly understood by staff roll call
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Motion passes 4 to 1.
Okay
Thank you with deep gratitude With deep deep gratitude to everyone who's sitting here Thank you.
All right, we will move on to council member reports council members anything to report I
I have a report. I just wanted to say ohai day was incredibly successful and it was such a great feeling of community and I heard great feedback about it, especially about the dunking booth. So I just wanted to give a shout out to my colleagues who were dunked and to our city manager. And Steve Colussy, one of our commissioners, and Larry was dunked as well. All of us who braved that dirty water.
No, it wasn't too bad. But I just want to say that really speaks to the community that we have. And I'm really grateful to have been a part of it.
Oh, I just wanted to tag on to that and thank Christy Rivera specifically who worked so hard putting this together. Also Juan and the maintenance crew worked for days to make that happen and make it run so smoothly. So thank you so much. And also Bridget Mara who did a lot of work on it too.
Yeah, agreed this the city staff was fabulous and I you know The guys were working well into dark driving around, you know picking up garbage The likes. Um, I don't have any I don't have any reports Okay anyone else? Yeah,
um the ventura county Animal shelter animal services they're called has finally has a new shelter director His name is Esteban Rodriguez, and he was one of the people we interviewed when I was on the panel. And there are several things that I really like about him is that he expressed willingness to allow volunteers who actually work with the dogs to weigh in when they're assessing dogs for euthanasia.
That's very, just really near and dear to my heart. And also he speaks Spanish so he can help with situations in Oxnard and you know there's a lot of work to be done. And then I forwarded this to you already but on Thursday October 24 the Ventura Police will host a second e-bike safety workshop And I don't know if I can attend, but I'm hoping we can have something similar. Doesn't necessarily be on the agenda that we really need to have that in Ojai as part of our education and Or do we need to, you know I haven't looked at the email that you sent. I
spoke to Chief today about your email and she said that she is working on something similar for Ojai but there's a lot of moving parts to it but your email was received and she is working on it.
Okay thank you And then we could perhaps have as part of the education component, they have it's already been you know they have all this educational material on their website. We could have that on our website and we get included in our newsletter like that and you know it seems like every meeting we hear again about cyclists ignoring traffic laws so I'm sure this will keep coming around until we This is a future council and I'll be at the podium.
I would like to congratulate Barry Cohen who's the founder of the Miners Oaks Community Garden, and her right-hand helper Michaela Keppel for making a dream come true. I went to the ribbon cutting on Sunday and it's really beautiful garden so encourage everybody to go check it out. And also thank you to my colleagues and we missed you at the League of Cal Cities. It was great to be together It was in Long Beach last week and we learned a lot, met a lot of local electives. And it was just really nice to know that we are not alone.
Anybody else? City Manager's report?
Just for the record I need to confirm that I was at that same conference that you all attended and thank you very much for being there.
Thank you for attending. Any future agenda items? I don't think so. All right, thank you all for a productive evening and we are adjourned.