Ojai City Council Special Meeting

Mr. Summers?

Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. The council met in closed session and consider the first of the two items for closed session regarding the request for defense and indemnity by Council Member Rule. No reportable action was taken on that item. The second item regarding the Habitat for Humanity project is continued to after the regular meeting or perhaps another day. Thank you.

Hey. Okay, all right.

Did I get the numbers wrong?

No, no. We're going to meet after we conclude the public hearing.

After we conclude this hearing with the two items in the public, then we will go back into closed session on the Habitat for Humanity. You would not have to stay for that.

Correct.

We want I appreciate you waiting and I want to be very cognizant of that. OK, so ending up the closed session opening of the public session Thank you for coming to the Tuesday, February 4th special meeting. Let us start

we don't

have general.

We usually yes, please go ahead.

So typically the city does not take general public comment at special meetings.

Right.

But I will note on this agenda there is an item for general public comments that we should take general public comment

and I'm inclined to do that anyway. Now, I want to make sure, Mr. Alvarado, that this is not about issues one or two something different than that. Is that correct?

This is about the homeless.

So this is one thing that I actually wanted to say to folks, which is just so you're clear. When we take up the item on the cost model, that has nothing to do with a location. That's clear. Am I

going to talk about the cost model?

You're not here to talk, you're talking about the location. Nope. Something else.

I'm going to talk about the project.

Okay, bring it on. Is that okay? Oh no of course it is. What I was trying to clarify is as we talk about the cost model that's gonna be very specific. Go right ahead

please.

Thank

you. I appreciate this opportunity to speak to you tonight my focus is beyond the selection of the site which many believe to be deeply flawed While I respect the effort being made to address homelessness, I want to highlight critical concerns chief among them, the lack of structure, long-term planning and transparency in the current approach. The decision carries significant risks.

Other cities have rushed forward without structured planning so increase homelessness, financial strain and reduce public safety. If we make the wrong choice now we would create long-term damage that will be difficult and costly to reverse. A poorly implemented plan will fail to solve the problem and will make it worse thus increasing burdens on law enforcement emergency services and local businesses while reducing overall community well-being Public comments, I believe are being heard but many in our community feel ignored as their input is mere formality.

Our leadership is about making the right decisions when the council moves forward without directly addressing citizens concerns if the trust erodes this lack of transparency breeds frustration and division within the community The best leaders adapt with new information as new information emerges. Sticking with a flawed plan simply because it has been decided is not leadership, it's stubbornness. A policy that is rushed and poorly conceived will not just reflect on this council today but will define Ohio's future for years to come.

We have an opportunity to do this the right way. Let's avoid a decision that we may regret, let's take a 30-day reassessment period not to undo the work that has been done but to refine it with expert insights and genuine community engagement. This is about ensuring success versus reversing course. There's a responsible way forward that acknowledges the effort made while still refining the details for a more effective solution. We need a plan that actually works well in practice, one that addresses housing services and long-term stability in a way that benefits everyone.

Ojai can be a model for other cities, but only if we lead with care, foresight and strategy. Instead of ignoring potential failures, let's acknowledge the responsibility we have to get this right. Other cities have learned the hard way that by rushing forward with unstructured planning leads to serious setbacks. We don't have to repeat these mistakes. Would you like haste to define our legacy?

Instead, let's build a solution that is effective, sustainable and benefits Ojai. Thoughtful planning, transparency and public engagement will ensure that when we act, we act wisely.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Alvarado. And not for you but in general just something I will bring up is that if you can mark your calendars for February 24th in this room at 530 and what we'll be doing is having a town hall with help of Ojai, the County Public Health, Dignity Moves and others and the goal of that meeting Not to decide anything, there will be no decisions that night. It would be simply asking questions that I have had, many of you have had, questions like what does the program look like? What services are offered? What are other places that do things like this? How are they successful? So it's a general inquiry trying to bring in civil discourse around the questions that are being asked so a lot of them are here tonight but Please mark your calendars.

I think that's going to be, it's gonna answer a lot of questions I have. So next Peter Romming, Shannon Richard and then Jim Churchill February 24th Monday evening in this room 530 to 730. And it's okay if you forget it we'll definitely publicize it. I'm gonna tell everybody I know

Yes sir. All right, dear council members my name is Peter Romming and I live in Ojai. Funding opportunities that are mentioned in the cost model for the cabin village are just speculation and I quote...

Sir may I just ask you if it's about that item would you wait until we get to that part or is about something else? Well this is about the cost model yeah so if I can let me ask you to speak when we get to that item on number two okay hang out just hang out we're getting there

okay all right

thank you so much Okay, Shannon Richard, Jim Churchill and then Gail Benden-Churchill.

Hello, Council. My name is Shannon Richard. I'm a resident of Ojai and I wanted to say that my family and I are not opposed to the creation of the cabin village and in fact support the concept but the proposed location in the middle of a residential community is the worst possible choice for many reasons. There are definitely safety concerns for our family. We have a 16-year-old daughter and a son and although we are Hearing there will be a paid security in the area, the fact that there needs to be a paid security validates our apprehension that sooner or later a safety issue will arise between residents and the cabin village and the immediate residential neighbors.

It's a terrible idea to place the cabin village in direct proximity to families with children of all ages. Just like it's a bad idea to locate the cabin village in direct proximity to a school, the same applies to your residential community. With children, excuse me. There is no difference and I could be argued that with a school there are only safety concerns during school hours.

However, in a residential community there are safety concerns for children around the clock with nighttime and darkness being our greatest concern These are real and valid. Sorry, guys. That's okay. It just happened to me. Noise! And I have to go get it again so apologize.

Hang out guys so I can hear what she's saying. I

apologize people. In the residential community, there are safety concerns for children around the clock with nighttime and darkness being the greatest concern. There are real and valid concerns and anyone who feels differently has never been the parent of a child concerned for their safety. So what's the solution? Choose a new site. This is not in a residential area inhabited with families and children.

Whether that be a commercial setting like Bryant Circle or an open space and agricultural setting, there are definitely better options available. Also Andrew Whitman raised several valid objections that seemed to be ignored by the City Manager and other City Council members when this location was first discussed. We can't. Why can't the cabin village be located outside the city limits where there are even more land available away from families and residential communities?

And how about partnership with Ventura County? This is a legitimate question, and that has been asked and that has not been answered. The original proposed site across Seafresh Ojai was a bad idea. However, the latest proposal in the middle of a residential community is the worst idea.

Can you finish very briefly

We don't understand why the rush is to ramrod the Purpose site through and believe more open and transparent process would benefit all residents of Ojai.

Thank you, Ms.

Richard.

Jim Churchill, Gail Benden-Churchill, and then Mary Kirby.

Mr. Churchill. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members, everybody. My name is Jim Churchill. I live on Eucalyptus Street between Signal and Lyon. As a culture we haven't yet decided to kill people for not having homes or for other kinds of problems that they have and as long as we don't kill them then they're here, they're with us and we must work with them

Hey, hold on. Like I know it's so easy to want to jump on or jump against but let's not. Okay please

go. We have to work with them in such a way that since they're going to be with us living amongst us we should provide for them in a way that allows us whoever we are to live peacefully and productively with them whoever they may be So I just, I visited the proposed site and it looks good to me. It is screened by large mature trees. It's an adequate size. It's close to services. The city owns it which seems to me to be a financial plus. I'm in favor of moving forward with this existing site now and not casting about for some other as yet unknown site.

Thank you. Thank you Mr. Churchill. Gail Belden-Churchill, Mary Kirby, and then Bill Miley.

Good evening, Gail Belden Churchill. So I wanted to start this out by saying I'm in favor of creating homes for our neighbors here in the public works yard I've been living in Ojai for over 50 years. I've been thinking a lot about sense of place and what that means, and how vulnerability requires often a radical sort of caregiving. For example, regarding place, I always know it's February when the acacia blooms.

And perhaps the acacias flowers brighten as they turn their thorny eyes toward the fact of my noticing them. We're all deeply connected and it ties into the African concept of Ubuntu. I think, I think of Bishop Budi, Buddy, and a recent plea for those who are marginalized by society to be shown mercy, to have a place at the table, to invite a radical caregiving outside the norms of who and what we tend to hold up So my roots here are deep. My family knows Andy, Barkley Hope and Don Belden. My grandson went to the charter school in Ventura.

I worked at Local Hero Books with Bobby. I put on Buddhist groups. I worked at Laurel Springs School and Oak Grove School when homeschooling, when there weren't charter schools and when homeschooling was the students sent us work. There were no computers so deep, deep, deep roots here. For years, I could afford to live here. And during the COVID time, I lost all my work. I was mindfulness educator at UCLA through the Mindful Awareness Research Center.

Lost my work, they went virtual. I thought well, I'll move out of Ojai because people at my age you get a diagnosis, you get disabled Or you get priced out. You know, living wage is ridiculous compared to what the cost of living is here. So I became this—my story. And I'm highly educated. I have had amazing work and I was looking at container units thinking maybe I could live there. I could live at Lake Casitas.

But I thought I'd move and then, and then I fell in love. And so I met a guy and so then I had a home. So why was I lucky? I didn't...I don't know why I was lucky and got a home but I got a home. And so I think of the stories that are like mine and I think of dignity and I think of kindness and I think of mercy and I think of companionship. So I'm in favor of helping our friends move to homes in the public work yard.

Thank you, Ms. Churchill.

Hi.

Hello,

my name is Mary Kirby, my husband and I have been residents of Ojai for 36 years. I'm a mother and a grandmother, and I'm also a daughter and sister to family members with mental health issues. I support housing for the homeless in Ojai. However, I oppose the proposed location of the cabin village off Signal and Montgomery Streets. In the last couple of years, many of the homeowners around City Hall have been sharing their neighborhoods with a temporary tent village.

Many have spoken at these city council meetings describing safety problems such as property damage, a drug overdose, trespassers to name a few. These accounts have resulted in a loss of safety and security for themselves and their families. The city is still planning and moving forward with the plans for a permanent cabin village site, two blocks in the same neighborhood.

It's as if the council is turning a blind eye to the homeowners' concerns. I understand the humanitarian goal of helping others in need. However, how can any entity reconcile helping one group of people while hurting another? Where is the humanity in that? Our neighborhoods and Libbey Park are the backbone of our city. They offer safety and solace to families within town, and to visitors from out-of-town.

I don't envy your position. Strong appeals are coming at you from two different perspectives on this issue. I simply ask that you slow down the process in order to find the right building site that creates a win for all. Thank you very much.

Bill Miley and Ian Campbell.

Hello. At my age, I may not have a lot of time left. I want to request you don't require the public to wait over an hour For you to finish...

My apologies, Mr. Miley.

I know. Here's the funny part.

Okay.

To finish a closed session issue which you didn't finish. Thank you.

Thanks, Mr Miley and Touche Ian Campbell

Hello, good evening. My name is Ian Campbell. I came here this evening to voice my support for the Calvin Village project at the Public Works Yard. I know it maybe isn't a perfect site for many different reasons but I think that it's an urgent issue and you should move forward with it in an appropriate manner. I think that as the City Council of Ojai, as any governing body, you're responsible for the people that you serve. And I think that with that responsibility, you have to realize that some people will have different needs. We have to take care of our elders, we have to take care of our children, we have to take care of people who are lacking food, we have to take care of people who are lacking shelter.

So with that responsibility, while everybody has a right to come and speak at public comment, everybody has a right to talk on matters that public fundings use. Just understand that there are certain people whose need is a lot greater and the people who are being impacted by this project that matter the most in my opinion are the ones who need the housing, the one who are requesting to have shelters built not the ones who are concerned about Thank you all for joining us today.

living out of their cars and many more on the brink of financial disaster. You all know that there's a housing crisis, not just in Ojai, not just in California, not just in the United States but around the world. But we have a responsibility to try our best to solve this crisis in every community and in our community Ojai is a very wealthy community. I've actually never lived anywhere that had this much obvious wealth, and I think the strength of our community should be measured on how we care for one another. No one should be without a home, no one should be without adequate shelter or adequate food, and I think it's ridiculous that there are millionaires and billionaires in our community who I have second homes, people who come up to their second homes on the weekends only.

And there's people who have no homes. So that doesn't make sense in my mind. Life and governance should be based on morality and caring for one another. It shouldn't be—you know, money doesn't matter. We're all human. We all deserve respect. We just need to care for one another and stop prioritizing individual wealth accumulation. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Campbell. Brad Stewart? Oh, sorry. I had the rain. My mistake. Please. No.

Thank you very much for allowing this. I put my card in to speak. Okay.

I probably misplaced it. Sorry about that.

That's quite all right. Okay. How are y'all? Yeah. You're not even halfway, are ya? Halfway what? Done tonight.

Oh, that's okay. What else are we gonna do? No, please though.

Thanks for letting me hear. My name is Bradley Smith, also known as Brad Smith. I live here on Blanche Street, arguably one of the closest neighbors to the current Tent Town, Cabin Village or Homeless Encampment, whatever you want to call it. I'm in favor of the new site that's been looked at and has been studied for these people. It's a grand project to have the people here in Kent Hall parking lot, but it's just the wrong location.

People are talking about noise, people are talking about crime, people are talking about safety. I gotta tell you, the only reason I know they're there is because they walk up and down my street in front of my house going to the market We don't hear noise. There have been no problems that I'm aware of and right around my little neighborhood, I know there was an issue not long ago between two town inhabitants.

That happens around town. I don't think that community is really any different from the rest of the community. They're not miscreants, they're not scofflaws, and those that were aren't there anymore. Some of the things I've been hearing are just out and out wrong. I live there, I'm speaking from experience. We're the intended place to be in the City Hall maintenance yard, surrounded by vegetation.

There's one person who is going to be directly impacted by that, one. I feel sorry for him but I think he has a great view nonetheless over top and out and I know things will be done to make it aesthetically pleasing visually so I'm in support of the new location that's being proposed. Thank you very much.

No need to clap. Any comments online, Mr. Montgomery?

Yes mayor we have one raised hand from Cassandra. Cassandra you may unmute and speak.

Hi I live right across the street from Brad and I can agree with everything that he said. Can you hear me okay? Okay yes I agree. I think when the encampment first, you know, started it was a little bit—there were a few people in there that were causing a problem and I feel like in the last, I don't know, six months or a year, I feel like with the security and with certain people being removed and I feel like it's gotten to be very civilized and my friend had their car parked outside my house the other day with the window down all night long and nobody Thank you all for joining us.

You know, civilized and everyone's behaved and taken care of. And in general, yeah, so I just to be clear do support the public works yard. I'm a longtime Ohioan. I used to live on South Ventura and I know that lot well and it is very concealed and it does seem to be the right topography close to town, close to the police station. So yeah, I know that this money doesn't last forever. I think we have like six months And if we don't have a plan, that money is going to vanish. So we have an amazing opportunity to spend state funds that we worked really hard to get and we've spent I think is it a year or two now deliberating on this topic and looking Ben Harvey working so hard to find a site that was suitable given all the conflicting concerns and nothing's gonna be absolutely perfect and it's a tough situation to begin with.

And so we're just trying to find The best place, and I think this is what we have. And I think we should move forward so.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Next, raise your hand. We have Ashanti followed by Gene. Thank you. Ashanti, you have the floor?

Hello, I'm speaking to you today from my home with a roof where i'm going to be dry and warm tonight during this blessed rain. I say this because this is a privilege that I carry with me and I do not take this for granted In a society with as many resources as we have, we have people with second homes and empty rooms. I believe everyone should have access to their basic rights which include housing, food, water, health care, education and more.

This is why I'm speaking today to voice support for the Public Works Yard as the site for Cabot Village. There is going to be opposition to any site, and I am concerned that if the City decides to look into alternatives we might miss the deadline to expend the funding and we might lose this incredible miracle of an opportunity that this city has been granted.

Um, I personally have prepared and served food for Tent Town many times And I've had nothing but good experiences with the residents of Tent Town. They are extremely kind and appreciative, and I always have great conversations with them. In many comments in opposition to the proposed cabin village site, I hear that people are concerned about violence As, I mean a few residents have spoken before me so they have themselves said that this has not been an issue. We have to put this rhetoric to rest there is a serious vetting process at Tent Town and we have heard before from prior speakers that people who have been accused of violence have not been allowed to stay at Tent Town So we need to move forward with this amazing opportunity. We need to make sure this does not slip through our fingers, and we need to provide housing.

I mean, this is just the beginning, right? We have people who are at the brink of losing their homes as a former speaker said, and this is just the beginning. We need to make sure this happens. And so I'm in support of the current proposed site. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Next raise hand we have is Jean. Jean, you have the floor.

Okay, I think I had unmute. This is Gene Chiraga. I live across the street from the proposed site on South Ventura and I'm represented in a whole group of my neighbors are represented by a law firm that sent a letter three months ago to the city that explained why The Cabin Village site, public worksite is improperly zoned for residential use and it has never been answered as far as I understand. I'm not going to recite everything in that letter but basically the area where the cabin village is zoned is for a public or quasi-public use and it does not include residential.

And the letter points out that Ojai Municipal Code Section 10-2.603 and 10- 2.2601B are being ignored It also, the letter also points out and this letter was three months ago. I still haven't been answered by the city and the city has City Council. It also pointed out that the community development staff had, has improperly incorrectly argued that it's a public facility and therefore it's allowed in a quasi-public zone However, again the Municipal Code section 10-2.603 is being ignored and the Community Development staff also incorrectly asserted that the project is a supportive housing project under Government Code 65650 at Seek And unfortunately, again it's ignoring the fact that Subdivision A of that same government code provides that supportive housing is a use by right in zones where multi-family and mixed uses are permitted.

That's not permitted where the Cabin Village, the public worksite is. And it's disturbing to me that a letter that was sent to the city On November 5th, 2024, three months ago that raised all these concerns is being ignored. The city hasn't even addressed it and it's similar to the city basically falling on deaf ears on all the other issues that have been raised And I just, I don't understand how the city can justify just ignoring a letter from attorneys that represent its own constituents. Thank you.

Thank you and I might remind everyone that there's going to be a Planning Commission meeting on Wednesday February 19th of which this will be heard, the second installment of that so I encourage you to attend that. There'll be more information there.

Mr. Montgomery? Next raise hand we have is Mike. Mike you have the floor

Hi, Mike Donahue here. First I want to say happy birthday to Rosa Parks. She's in heaven and she defined courage. So my name is Mike Donahue. I lived in Ojai for over 20 years with my family and three kids. I teach leadership and personal development at San Diego State University and other schools. I work on a lot of projects. I work with the incarcerated. I work with homeless. I worked with the undocumented. I worked with dreamers.

I feel for the homeless, the incarcerated, anyone who's disadvantaged or this class we call vulnerable. But the theme of my three minutes is really the city should unify not vilify. There's more to that slogan. Last week we heard a lot of proponents of the public work yards refer to the oppositions as people who wanted to quote kick the unhoused to the river bottom Are you kidding me?

Kick the unhoused to the river bottom. That's what the opponent to the public service yard is referred to. Another person said that they wanted to disperse the unhoused. I say, come on people let's find common ground. Let's not vilify. Let us unify. There's about 500 people that have signed a petition for the Public Service Public Works Yard and about 500 against it.

But there's common ground between them. Sadly, the heat is rising in this rhetoric and it pains me. But you know what pains me even more? Is seeing someone that introduced himself last week by the name of Rebecca. Rebecca is from Maryland. She needs services. She needs help. It was so clear in that meeting and I hope we're helping her. Then there was a gentleman named Thank you. I'm going to start with Matt Cadeo. He was a young man who said, quote, I'm being framed for some crap.

His cry also pained me and I wasn't alone. So I say try to bring it together in a common theme. And did you know that the City of Ventura and the City of Moorpark built dignified housing in industrial zones? Matt LeVere actually told me that. The residents So I say let's unify with our common goals, both the opposition and the proponents of this site. We all want to help the people that need help. Let's find a right circle, the right place—maybe Bryan Circle or some other place that's acceptable—but no more vilification.

Let just try unification. Thank you.

Okay, we will close the public comments for now and let me go on to discussion item one. The Ojai Cabin Village Cost Model and I'll go to Mr. Harvey.

Thank you Mayor. I'm actually going to pass this down to Mr El Amida who is providing the presentation and answering any questions you may have after that before you go to public comment. Mr. El Amida.

Thank you, Mr. Harvey. Good evening Mayor and members of the City Council. I'm pleased to share with you the cost model that we've prepared for the future Cabin Village project. We'll walk through a PowerPoint here and then also in the staff report on the last page five of five is the cost model that I'll be referring to on item one. Next slide please. So tonight's report on the cost model of the future cabin village fulfills a request by the City Council that this come back and staff develop the cost model, so we're fulfilling that request.

So, actions for tonight is first we're asking for any feedback that the City Council has on the cost model and its components. And then we're also asking that you authorize a city manager to proceed with developing an agreement with the County of Ventura on future funding for the project. And I would like to note in the audience joining us tonight, we have Kimberly Albers who is with the County of Ventura and she's the Homeless Solutions Director and she has been involved in the development this model and discussions of the future cabin village.

So some of the questions that you may have on those agreements with the county and supportive services, she's here to answer and probably will be able to do much better job of that than I on some of the services the county has to offer. Okay next slide please So just to cover how we got here on the cost model and what the inputs were on developing it, this was not created in a silo with city staff.

We collaborated with a number of other outside agencies that have deep knowledge and insight on developing these costs and operating these historically. A few I'd like to call out is the county of Ventura that we've worked with on the behavioral health side and supportive services they have. The help of Ojai, who's familiar with a client base that currently lives in Ojai tent town and also knows the case management services that will be needed for the future cabin village.

We also have talked extensively with Dignity Moves, who has already put these projects online and operated them for a number of years and is aware of both the revenue opportunities and expenses associated with them. Dignity Moves currently operates over 10 of these sites so they gave us quite a bit of insight on what these costs operate. So with all these inputs from these different agencies that have operated A similar project model.

This is how a lot of the cost and revenue assumptions were made. Also, we have operated Ojai Tent Town. We know clientele. We know who lives there and we know the services that they require. So the components I'll be covering tonight are fourfold. We'll be looking at operating revenues that the future cabin village could produce to offset the cost, we'll look at administrative expenses, maintenance expenses and utility expenses. Next slide please Background, so this is going back to August of 2023.

As you may recall that spring and summer we had a large homeless encampment was spread across the eight acres of City Hall property and it was addressed as a top priority. So the Council had goals in priority workshop that was the top priority of the council to address that need from that you saw what is now referred to as Ojai Tent Town, where the city set aside funding and placed 30 wilderness tents in the Kent Hall parking lot to bring those people up out of the open space and into the parking lot.

The City Council did set aside money to do that, and Ojai Tent Town has been supported by the city's general fund. We were alerted by the County of Ventura who we're working with a grant opportunity being offered by the State of California under the Encampment Resolution Funding Grant Program And they encouraged us to apply, and the county also did a lot of the heavy lifting on completing the application for us because they had extensive knowledge of the requirements of the grant.

The city was successful, as you know, in receiving our full grant request to the amount of over $12.6 million that is for the future cabin village. So this is for the cost to both develop the site and it's also there to offset the operational cost for a couple years. There are some components in the transitional part from Ojai-Tent Town that we are covering, such as the resident steward model that are being paid for with the grant. Next slide please So this is largely definitional just to understand what we're talking about and why the distinctions are important So what Ojai Tent Town is now, this is in the eyes of the state.

It's a transitional unsheltered encampment. It's intended to be a stopover from basically being on the streets so those that might be living in their cars under overpasses in the parks and it's a stopover to permanent supportive housing which is what the new cabin village will be. The permanent supportive housing That's the future cabin village, and this provides what would be permanent housing with case management and supportive services to the residents. The two distinctions are important because the first, the transitional unsheltered encampment such as Ojai Tent Town does not have revenue sources available or grant sources or other funding sources available. So continuing that model, the city would be supporting the cost of that in its entirety.

Permanent supportive housing, there's a number of resources available on the revenue side from both collections of rent that can be collected, voucher programs that are administered by the county and other programs offered by the state of California which we'll touch on. So these distinctions are important. Next slide please So on the revenue side of the cost projection model, we looked at five primary sources of revenue that would be considered.

The first is simply the interest income on the grant award. So this city received a couple months ago the full amount of the grant from the state with the expectation that we'll spend it as Outlined in our grant application to build the project out and support the project. So, the money has been received in full and has been and will be a growing interest so that was one revenue source of the cost model The second is Social Security Revenue. I would like to point out in the help of Ojai, many of the inhabitants of Ojai Tent Town are clients with help of Ojai and most do receive social security income that can be paid towards rent so that's not speculation, that is unknown.

The Voucher Assistance Program is a Program offered by the county that we'll touch on. The County of Ventura is going to potentially be an operational support, and then donations are a potential last source. We'll get into all those more next slide please. So to go into those five areas that are on table on page 505 here's how we arrived at the numbers that you see The total bottom line operating revenue number is $634,215.

So the top line you see, the top two lines actually are the interest income from the grant award and it's broken up into two categories so basically months 1 through 6 and then months 6 through 12. At the end of that six-month period, we're gonna have to pay per the guidelines of the grant 50% of the development cost to Dignity Moves. So that principal amount will drop down. The top line is accruing interest at what is currently the return on leave which is the local agency investment fund so it's an account where the money sits in with the state at the current rate of return The interest income will actually be more than this. This is just looking at year period. We received the grant money a few months prior to this, so this number if anything is less than what we will actually occur in interest income.