Ojai City Council Regular Meeting

BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 June 9, 2026

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Scheduled start 6:00 PM · clock-time estimates pending review

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role0:04

Welcome everyone to the Tuesday, June 9th regular City Council meeting for the city of Ojai. Roll call please Mr. Montgomery?

Roll call — called by Andy Gilman
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Yes Mayor. Mayor Gilman? Here. Mayor Pro Tem May? Here. Council Member Ruhl? Here Council Member Lange? Here Council Member Whitman? Here
Pledge of Allegianceceremonial · click to expand
ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.730:20

And would you lead us in the pledge please Of course welcome community Please rise as you are able Ready begin I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role0:41

Thank you.

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role0:44

And on the approval of the agenda, I know one change is that the Ojai Fire Safe Council is moving to our next meeting on the 23rd. Any other changes to the agenda? No objections. OK, we will approve the agenda then. We have one presentation which is the proclamation honoring Pride Month 2026 and Helen Allen The proclamation is up there at the podium if you want to go up. Yes, thanks!

And if we want to do a photo here just call us out and we'll come up.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:24

Welcome to Pride Month, everyone. We had our annual pride flag raising ceremony on last Friday and I want to thank Mayor Gilman and Weston and Ben and all of the staff for making it happen This year was really special because the entire Ojai community lost one of our truly great members, community members Helen Allen who passed away this year. And Helen and her wife Lynn were started they were the first ones who started the Pride Walk I think 35 years ago is that correct Kate? 35 years ago. And so everything that we've built to honor the Pride Month is really standing on the legacy that Helen and Lynn provided for us. So with that said, I'll read the proclamation and I'll ask. I think we have Kate is here and any other members of Queers of the Valley?

All right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:51

Oh my goodness, we are just so grateful to be in this wonderful valley to be with all of you the fourth annual flag raising this year was the best yet may that continue to just get better and better and Our third annual pride celebration, which expanded on all of the work that Lynn and Helen had been doing for those 30 something years. And we're just so honored to be a part of this working With all of you, with everyone in the Valley to try to make this as welcoming of a place as possible. Not just to queer and trans folks but to all of the intersectionalities to people of every race, every immigration status, every gender identity, every socioeconomic status whether you're housed or not so what a great place to get to be doing that together

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:54

All right. And with that said, we'll go ahead and read the proclamation. Whereas the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer and questioning LGBTQ plus communities form an integral part of the vibrant culture of Ojai, and whereas the diverse LGBTQ plus community continues to contribute to the widespread academic, economic, artistic and social spheres within the Ojai Valley and beyond And whereas June is designated as Pride Month to commemorate the Stonewall Riots, which occurred in June 1969 and are recognized as the catalyst of the LGBTQ plus rights movement. And whereas the city of Ojai is committed to protecting the civil rights of all its citizens, as well as celebrating diversity, supporting families, fighting discrimination and protecting the most vulnerable LGBTQ plus community members among us our youth, seniors and the unhoused.

Whereas the city of Ojai has adopted a flag policy and now raises the pride flag at Ojai City Hall as a statement of inclusivity of the LGBTQ plus community in the city and beyond. Whereas this last year we lost Pride pioneer Helen Allen, Helen's contributions were vital in the initiation of inclusive LGBTQ plus community programming and social opportunities.

Whereas Helen's commitment to enhancing the vitality of Ojai for members of the LGBTQ plus community has been evident in their tireless efforts to promote Ojai as a vibrant destination for both residents and visitors throughout the Ojai Pride Walk and social gathering opportunities, continuously over the past 34 years will not be forgotten. Therefore, be it resolved that the Ojai City Council and on behalf of the city of Ojai recognize June 26th 2026 as Pride Month in honor of Helen Allen in Ojai and encourage all residents to recognize the enduring efforts and ongoing contributions of the LGBTQ plus communities in Ojai and nationwide. Thank you.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role6:18

Take a photo guys, yeah. Okay, thank you for that. That was wonderful. Any

Commission

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.577:14

reports? None received ma'am.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role7:15

Okay and then City Manager's report

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.577:17

please. Yes mayor I'd like to call our Public Works Director to the podium to give a brief update for us please Ms. Palmer

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed7:27

Good evening all. So Ben asked me tonight to come and speak about an issue that some of you may have heard about, I know I have. And that is our handicap ramps that we're installing alongside our paving projects. So as we pave our roads, we get to an intersection a four way or three way into whatever it is. And we like to look at every corner to see if we can put a handicapped ramp in it. We get some economies of scale when we have our contractor out there doing the concrete work So I met with a group of citizens out at Mountain View and Grandview.

Lost my train of thought, so at Grandview last week just a small group and explained to them the reasoning behind those four curb ramps on those four corners. So number one it's near a school, it's in a school zone. So it's half a block west from Topatopa. And what we are trying to prepare ourselves for, staff in Public Works is also researching some Safe Routes to School grants.

And if we are successful in getting a grant, my recommendation to all of you would be we start in school zones. Because that seems to be a really good spot to start putting in sidewalks, if you so choose. So we look at all of the intersections when we're paving. Some of them we delete these from the plans because it makes no sense because it's a bridge to nowhere. And we recognize that that appears to be the case out here at this intersection, but we talked about it and talked about it and just decided to go ahead and do it. So we're in a really good position if we ever decide to put sidewalks in.

Furthermore there's four crosswalks at that intersection so we know children are crossing So at the very least, in the immediate future they have somewhere to land if they cross the street and don't have to step in the street. And I think Ben he gave you all a weekly update last week but I'm happy to talk to anybody or answer any questions.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role9:30

You did mention that before thank you for saying it again.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed9:33

Yes. Questions? Anybody got questions?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role9:35

Thank you appreciate it anything else there is something else the chairs 4th of July You guys are going to say something about that. I think we might withhold until

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.579:46

the future agenda items portion of the meeting, if that's OK with you.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role9:50

I have my note remind them to say something about this. All right.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.579:54

Sorry. Should I connect it with you on that? Thank you, Mary.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role9:57

No problem.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed9:58

My chair isn't out there yet.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role10:00

Neither is mine.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed10:01

I thought you had the couch. Thank

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role10:03

you so much. Wonderful. OK, then we will move on to public communications Of which I have a few. Ron Salarzano, please. River this is going to be about the budget item so that's going to be later not public comment unless you have something else to say. Yeah it will be in that for that item. Larry Stangle please and then Helen Pascrella. All right,

CommentRon SolorzanoProposedself-stated10:34

hello. Yes thank you members of council my name is Ron Solorzano I am the regional librarian for the Ojai Valley and the main thing I want to talk to you all about today is our summer reading program. Summer reading began on June 1st so just very recently it's going to run through the end of July ending on August the first And as usual, we have the youth program. It's a little bit different this year and for those of you who are here you'll be able to see this if not this is all going to be on our website as well but this year in addition to being able to log minutes we have created a sort of grid of other activities that children and families can take part in in order to earn points in the program These include things like visiting a community park or, you know, planting something in a garden.

You know creating a video about nature to post things like that so you still get points for reading in fact you get the most points for reading but you also get points for these other activities And as the summer progresses, as we get into July, those points are going to be able to be used in the prize store. So as of July, the prize store will open and children can go in and spend the points that they've earned on a variety of prizes as part of this program.

In addition to the reading and logging and doing the activities, we also have certain programs that are gonna be taking place at the Ojai Library. We're going to have things going on every Wednesday, every day of the week really but there are certain one-time events that I do want to highlight On June the 14th and on July the 12th, we're going to have imagination stations set up at the library. These are geared towards children ages three to six and they're basically extended sessions where we can work with them to kind of imagine that they're involved in a certain type setting. So we have a farmer's market setting that we're going to have them do and then a pizza parlor setting later for the one in July. There will not, unfortunately there will not be pizza there but it's like a nice family play session for those dates.

We're also gonna have a presentation on shorebirds for June 15th. I also don't believe there will be actual birds but it's gonna be an educational presentation on shorebirds in the area that's gonna be another part of the program here And then of course, finishing off we have a final family day on July the 28th near the end of the program that's going to include the Kona ice truck and then also a game truck for kids. We had it last year if anyone remembers it was a lot of fun And then short on time here, so I'm just going to also plug that there is an adult version of the program as well. It has its own little bingo card of activities. So adults can go there and log the books that they read, write reviews for the books and complete activities to earn points and chances to win prizes as well.

More information on our website. Thank you very much.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role13:35

Thank you, sir. Appreciate it.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed13:41

Good evening. Thank you for your service and it's sincere because it takes a lot of work to do what you do. Going forward, is it possible for two things to be added to the agenda? One is discuss recording of audio and video of closed meetings. Just put it on the agenda and have a conversation. Vote on it, don't vote on it but move it along because it has been a big deal around here for years.

Also having a biweekly meeting to have conversations beyond three minutes because otherwise we have to track you down and have conversations and people don't do that. Is it also possible to get a list of all the lawsuits and the costs involved? Because we've been spending millions, and some of that obviously has come from the road budget. Which is now down to two-and-a-half million.

But continue please to do what you're doing. Hopefully... Oh! If we could have visions, it would be nice if we could each have a vision of everybody, a vision of what you want to see the city one year five years from now. Because we don't really hear that from the council on a group maybe. The plan yes but your individual vision, your vision

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role15:01

thank you. Thank You Mr. Stangold. Ellen Pascarella please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed15:11

Good afternoon, everybody. It's been a while since I've been here and remodeled it looks so official now. Thank you for letting me take this time to speak. I'm not talking about Palestine or the fact that we're in another illegal war in Iran. I am talking about something local today And last week on June 2nd, I was at the Vons parking lot and I heard this horrible crash and screaming. And there was an accident.

And I don't know if you've heard about the accident on Highway 33 going into Vons right? I'm still kind of shaking from it because there was this young woman who Was in the car who hit the motorcyclist and he was Like ejected into the other side of the road like 20 feet from his motorcycle And for the first five minutes, he didn't move and I was consoling her and she was screaming because she thought she had killed him and So my question and my concern is that after words he moved and I was like, he's alive. He's live but The thing is that I've seen other people make that illegal turn Are there any plans for putting up maybe like some type of? you know those little plastic cones that are tall that they have like on HOV lanes something like that and Because people don't realize it.

And I spoke to the other people who were witnesses as well, and we all have seen people do that. And it was just... You know, I don't want to wait until somebody dies. So are there any plans? Do you know or...?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role17:00

After you're finished, I'll ask the Chief to respond.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed17:03

Okay, thank you.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role17:04

I'm done. Okay. Yeah, Chief would you mind talking about the efforts so far?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed17:10

Yeah, I know it's been an area of concern. I actually just tasked my motor officer probably a few months ago reaching out to Caltrans for a proposal to get delineators put up and the feedback in the assessment from Caltrans was that there was not enough crash to evidence, you know, support that putting the delineators up. But I'm aware it's a problem and that's one of the topics tonight. You know our motor program which the timing is perfect, you know it's invaluable, the motor program and that's another area of concern that I've tasked Deputy Burnett with focusing on there.

Yeah and it's something we're gonna just keep an eye on and focus our resources on that. That's, you know, the angle that I'm gonna take and just probably zero tolerance for awhile until the tone gets set. Thank you for bringing that up.

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.7317:55

Anybody online? No mayor, we have no raised hands.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role18:01

Okay that was a big accident that we all saw um okay so moving on to the consent calendar I know that i'm interested in pulling five and six because we have speakers here how do people feel about three and four?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed18:17

Uh yeah I want to

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role18:18

okay So shall we approve four?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed18:23

I'll move to approve four.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role18:25

Second on that Let's do a roll call on four and then we'll go down the line.

Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 move to approve four. Second on that Let's do a roll call
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Mayor Pro Tem Mang. Yes. Council Member Ruhl. Yes. Mayor Gilman. Yes, Council Member Lange. Yes

Wonderful okay let's move on to three. Mr. Mayor what were you thinking of?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.5718:49

And give us a moment if you would so Ms. Cho can join us up here if you don't mind. Thank you switch out the name badge really quickly if we can just give us a moment. Okay thank you So council member we are yeah, I believe you pulled this item. We're happy to take your question. Did

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed19:16

you have a question on three?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role19:21

No three threes the warrants

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed19:24

Okay Which one was the menace that's what

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role19:27

oh you okay. We just we just approved the minutes so we misunderstood Okay, you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed19:32

had a change. Oh, hey You know The problem is I'm looking at The minutes. Okay, so which item was that? The minutes were for yeah so okay so on item number can I

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role19:46

what can we just retract it and make the here hear what the change request is that easy enough

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.5519:53

Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed19:57

so on item four there's actually Three places. Okay could be more accurate For from the minutes item number seven Consideration of city's ability to shift it says no action taken I think to be accurate It should say that a vote was called for But since the majority indicated it would not support change, the city attorney and the city manager concluded that the proper handling was to report as no

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role20:29

action. That sounds like there's intention language in it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed20:39

Oh, I don't need any intention. Okay wanted to Report the fact that a vote was called for and then yes

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role20:48

What what page was that on if you don't mind me asking um just 20 okay, let's see

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.5521:03

So no, I think officially no motion was made and therefore no action was taken. We could say that, that no motion was made to... Well, I think I did make a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:14

motion. That's my point is that I did make a motion and then it was concluded that a motion wasn't appropriate if we weren't going to take action. I don't care how the wording is. I just like it to reflect.

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.5521:33

The next one is in the future agenda

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:34

items, the

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.5521:34

next page and it said the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:35

full council

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.5521:35

requested

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:35

a

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.5521:36

call

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:36

up

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.5521:36

of the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:36

Planning Commission at Isle. My recollection is that the mayor asked for the call up and it was seconded by Leslie. I know that I didn't participate in that, I don't think.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.6922:03

So would it be correct to say that the council And then the very next item references a future item for fire ember screens.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed22:28

And what I recall is that we discussed the idea of an item to address highly hazardous or flammable trees and that ember items was added to that.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role22:47

I heard it, I remember it the opposite.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.6922:48

I do too, I remember it the opposite because I made the motion. It was specific to ember screens. That's fine. However we want to do that but it was specific to ember screens.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed23:00

I did wanted to include the ember screens and I also wanted to include the idea that of identifying hazardous trees and, and look at mitigating that.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.6923:17

So maybe we can put that on items today. I mean if you

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role23:20

feel like it wasn't if it didn't happen at this meeting let's put it on under future items for after today at the end of days. Those are all the comments. Okay, so I'm hearing you'll go back and we'll look at the staff is happy to do that Yes, thank you. So then we'll retract that Well in will bring them back obviously the next thank you. Thank you So was there did somebody want to pull?

The warrants number three

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed23:49

I believe that is for the rec department. They needed an upgrade in their alarm system

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ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.5724:17

Yes, sorry. Thank you took me a moment but that is exactly what it was thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed24:21

perfect. Thank you

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role24:23

I Think that's it okay so I'll move to approve a consent item number three then Second from anyone

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed24:31

all second

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role24:32

wonderful. So let's call the roll on that and then we'll go to the other two Thank You roll call

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 move to approve a consent item number three then Second from anyone all second wonderful. So let's call the roll on that and then we'll go t
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Councilmember rule yes Councilmember Lang yes mayor Gilman. Yes mayor pro tem main. Yes councilmember women. Yes

Wonderful and then now on number five appointment of the Area Housing Authority Commissioner, Mr. Dolan is not here But we have Ricardo Torres from the area housing authority to come up and say a few words about the agency Thank you, sir

PresenterRicardo TorresGovernment and Community Affairs with the Area Housing Authority of the County oProposedself-stated25:05

Can you hear me okay Good evening, Mayor Gilman, Mayor Pro Tem Mang, esteemed members of the City Council and city staff. My name is Ricardo Torres, Director of Government and Community Affairs with the Area Housing Authority of the County of Ventura. So we proudly serve the City of Ojai, Fillmore, Camarillo, Thousand Oaks, Simi Valley, Moorpark and the unincorporated areas of the county.

I have the privilege of working with a 15 member board of commissioners which keeps me pretty busy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Jurisdiction that we serve gets to citizens appointed to our commission and then we have a resident commissioner For a few years now the city of Ojai has only had one commissioner on our board That's Commissioner Steve Mason who does a wonderful job of saying the city of Ojai And fortunately for the city of Ojia, our resident commissioner Also, it's a citizen of Roth Apartments in Ojai. So in essence you also have that representation as well but there for a really long time has been one seat available and I think that's the item that you have before you today so we're really excited to kind of see the council appoint that seat As of today, or actually as of March 31st which is when our data is current.

We assist Ojai residents through 50 housing choice vouchers and we have 135 public housing units in the city of Ojai. Behind those numbers are individuals and families who are able to remain housed and maintain stability, and continue contributing to the community they call home. I really want to take this moment in this evening to express our appreciation to the City of Ojai for its continued partnership and collaboration. The Housing Authority serves seven jurisdictions as I mentioned, and one thing that we have learned is that strong partnerships are essential to addressing the housing needs of our communities.

We are fortunate to have a strong, positive, productive working relationship with the City of Ojai and we greatly value the city's commitment to supporting its residents. On behalf of the Housing Authority thank you staff, City Council and the Ojai community for your continued support and partnership and we look forward to building that partnership in the years ahead.

And then lastly just a quick update for the council our board recently appointed Ms. Carrie Sabatini as our new Housing Authority Executive Director Carrie has served as our Deputy Executive Director and has been an integral part of the organization for many years. We're really excited for her leadership, and look forward to continuing our work in service to Ventura County's and Ojai's residents under her direction. And thank you for your time, for your partnership, and thank you for your consideration to fill a vacant Ojai seat that we have on our board.

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role28:02

Thank you so much. Appreciate that. I'd like to move that we forward Mr. Dolan to the Ventura County Area Housing Authority Board with many thanks.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed28:13

I just have a comment, I've raised it before especially with these boards where their activities don't frequently come in front of us. I think it would be good to have some type protocol where we get like a quarterly report, uh, presentation from one or the other of the commissioners. Um, so that we are aware that that's cool. I would like that as well.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role28:48

Okay, any more discussion I would like to make sure that mr. Whitman's of request is noted so we can work on yes

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.5728:55

Thank you. We sorry this has been brought up before we will put this on the working agenda and the parking lot item to make Sure, we scheduled it. Okay.

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Thank you. Got it. All right roll call, please Mayor Gilman. Yes. That's a member Whitman. Yes, that's a member Lane Yes

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role29:13

Wonderful, thank you. Thank you Mr. Torres for coming and then item number six the inaugural vacancy of the Public Safety Commission of forwarding of Mr. Randy Coggin to service there. Mr. Coggin if you'd like to come up and say a few words? Thank you That's okay we got all the time in the world

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed29:39

Enjoy this it'll probably be the fewest words you ever hear from me. I am truly honored to be given a position if approved on the Commission and look forward to using my very public safety background along with Larry and Jim and the other two TBD commissioners, and to make this Commission An example for all boards and commissions in the city. So again, thank you and thanks for your confidence in me and Rachel. I can't wait to hear what you're going to share with us in July.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role30:17

Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed30:18

Any

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role30:18

questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed30:19

Just congratulations, Randy. I can think of very few who are as good of a fit for this as you and you're just going to be such an incredible contributor to this commission so thank you for your service and for being a part of this.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role30:38

Many thanks. Does that sound like a motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed30:42

I'll move to approve.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role30:43

Second that. Let me not usurp, you were about to. Okay second. Any more discussion?

Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 move to approve. Second that. Let me not usurp, you were about to. Okay second. Any more discussion? Roll call · 2 under review
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Roll call please. Council Member Ruhl. Yes. Council Member Whitman. Yes Mayor Pro Tem Mayne. Yes Mayor Gilman.

Wonderful, thank you for your service again. Wonderful. Okay moving on we are on item number seven public hearing report and public hearing of the City of Ojai job vacancies and recruitment and retention efforts.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.5731:13

Yes Mayor I'm going to hand things over to Ms. Holman once she's situated. Thank you. Oh look

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed31:20

at that more sparkle

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed31:36

All righty. So good evening, honorable mayor and our city council members. I appreciate the opportunity to present our annual public hearing regarding the City of Ojai's job vacancies and our ongoing efforts in recruitment and retention. This presentation is made in accordance with Government Code Section 3502.3. This section of the code falls under the Myers-Millius Brown Act or MMBA which ensures local public employees have rights related to labor matters It also requires public agencies to meet and confer on wages, hours and other conditions of employment.

With the passage of Assembly Bill 2561 effective January 1 2025 all public agencies were required to publicly address position vacancies as part of their ongoing responsibilities. Even though the City of Ojai does not have any recognized employee organizations AB2561 still applies to us that's why we're holding the hearing today to report out on our current vacancies and share updates on recruitment retention efforts before adopting our annual budget in compliance with the legislation.

Since our last report of May 1st, 2025 we have actively recruited for nine full-time positions and six part time temporary or seasonal positions. As of May 1 of 2026 the following positions are vacant accountant transit operations supervisor Trolley driver, recreation leader, lifeguard. And I lost the rest of my page and record this recreation leader in lifeguard because the transit operations supervisor role is a critical role. It is currently filled with an interim appointment as we go through our active recruitment.

Speaking of active recruitments, we are recruiting for all the vacant positions listed except for the position of accountant, which we successfully successfully filled as of May 26th of 2026. While we have not identified any policy changes that are needed to address any hiring obstacles, we did implement some improvements to strengthen our recruitment and retention efforts.

We enhanced the use of our applicant tracking system to make recruitments more efficient and to expand our outreach. This included utilizing the automated background check feature that the program has, interview scheduling, and sponsored job boards. We developed a benefit summary that gives employees a clear one-page view of their benefits package. We introduced an online benefits portal to help onboard new hires and manage annual open enrollment elections. And we continue to recognize our employee contributions through appreciation events and awards.

So this is a very brief presentation for our public hearing. It concludes that so it's my conclusion of our job vacancies, recruitment and retention efforts. And I welcome any questions you may have.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role34:35

Questions? It seems as robust as I've ever recalled. So wonderful. Nice work.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed34:43

Thank you.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role34:44

I have no public comments on this.

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.7334:46

We currently have

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role34:46

no

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.7334:47

raised hands on zoom

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role34:48

air. No questions. Thank you so much. Wonderful. Yeah.

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.7334:57

Okay. Mayor? Yes. We will need some council action.

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.5535:06

Oh discussion

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.7335:07

to receive.

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.5535:08

There's no, there's no action on this one. I believe it's just my mistake. Receive the report. Conduct a public hearing. No worries. But if there is no public comment we can close the public hearing and move to the next item.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role35:23

It's interesting. Okay, so on the public hearing is only number seven and not doesn't go to eight and nine

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.5535:33

It's technically a separate

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role35:35

fine with me okay, we'll close the public hearing to move on to item number eight So the city of Ojai has proposed budget for fiscal year 26 27

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.5735:44

Thank you, Mayor. And I'm just going to briefly ask the Chief to vacate his seat so that we can have-

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role35:48

Stay close, Chief though.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.5735:51

Our finance team come up to deliver this. Thank you. Thank you Mr Montgomery. Mayor, we've got a presentation loaded, so ready when you are.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed36:29

Good evening honorable mayor and city council members. I'll be presenting the proposed fiscal year 2026-2027 budget So to begin, the Finance and Budget Committee has reviewed the proposed fiscal year 26-27 budget at the May 19th and June 2nd meeting. Finance staff has also met with two members of the committee following the preliminary review. Changes have been made to the budget document to reflect the feedback and comments from this committee.

The budget document outlines the financial plan and priorities of the city. Developing and monitoring the budget is an ongoing process, and can be modified throughout the fiscal year to respond to changes in forecasts on anticipated events, and to allow for the pursuit and achievement of established City Council goals which are listed on this page. This slide highlights factors of the budget in relation to personnel and staffing. Included in this budget is a cost-of-living adjustment of 3.5 percent, does not include the city manager, and has an impact of approximately $172,000. The budget also considers staffing changes to address operational needs and to create growth opportunities.

Five positions have been changed to full-time as well as nine positions have been elevated, most of which are budgeted halfway into the fiscal year. This slide highlights some of the anticipated costs that are also included in the proposed budget and a couple that are not included for council's consideration. The current agreement with the Ojai Fire Safety Council does extend a few months into the new fiscal year, however at this time there are no new fire safety projects or proposals included.

Also to note with the budget document it does provide a line item detail of the budget and that also includes the percentage change from The three major revenue sources are projected with HDL, who specializes in revenue analysis and economic insights. For the prior fiscal year, the city received 2.3 million in sales tax, and when looking at how much we received through April, in comparison to the same measurement period as last fiscal year, we are trending to exceed the current budgeted amount of 2.4 million. Sales tax for next year is projected at 2.5 million.

Per HDL's analysis of the latest sales tax update for quarter four of 2025, the city saw a growth of 9.6% when compared to same quarter in 2024. And for comparison, the county saw a growth of 1.7%, and the state saw a growth of one point one percent when comparing the two time periods. The current budget for secured and unsecured property tax is 2.4 million. The 26-27 projection of 2.6 million takes into consideration a two percent CPI adjustment. Additionally, for properties that were sold in 2025 the projection also considers the difference between the value that's on the tax roll and the price paid for the property as property is replaced when there's a change in ownership.

Just to note the graph here does show property tax around trending at 4 million That's because this includes the vehicle license fees as well The trend for transient occupancy tax continues to rise with next year's forecast to be approximately 8.1 million in the general fund and 12 point 16 million citywide including measure C This slide shows the allocation of the general fund expenditures by department. And as seen here, the police or public safety accounts for roughly 23% of the general fund budget.

And just to reiterate, the individual line item details are included in the budget document. This is just a visual graph to see by department where the allocation is. This slide is an overview of the balanced budget policy and minimum fund balance policy. This highlights that operating revenues must cover operating expenditures, though it is allowable for expenditures to exceed revenues in the case that the fund balance is used towards capital projects or one-time nonrecurring costs.

Additionally, the minimum fund balance policy states that the minimum balance is to be 100% of the prior year's general fund operating expenditures as the minimum reserve amount. This slide shows the general fund is structurally balanced, where recurring revenues are greater than recurring revenues resulting in a structural surplus of $119,000. The one-time cost includes the OUSD grant match and historic inventory survey which ultimately decreases the fund balance by $94,000 This table is a summary of the general fund balance. The table starts with the beginning balance, followed by revenues and expenditures. The net operating is the difference between revenue and expenditures, and that's followed by the non-recurring costs to get to the ultimate change in fund balance.

The ending balance takes into consideration the total change in fund balance and the amount under the 100% reserve column is prior year's operating expenditures. The unallocated column is the amount beyond the 100% reserve amount The middle row of this table shows the estimate general fund balance at the end of this fiscal year to be approximately $21.7 million, leaving $5.6 million of the balance unallocated or beyond the 100% reserve amount and this is a projection of expenditures based on spending through mid-May.

The projected ending fund balance for next fiscal year is $21.6 million, of which $4.3 million is unallocated. So that concludes my presentation and of course I'm available for questions.

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role43:27

Thank you for that. Questions before we go to public comments and then discussion.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.6943:41

I'm gonna ask for clarification, so it says the structural surplus, this is slide nine. The OUSD grant match one time is what we have, it takes it out 125,000, it's deducted correct? Yes but it hasn't been spent.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed44:00

It hasn't been spent yet. It was originally included in current year's budget, but I think after discussion we're anticipated to have that pledged for next fiscal year. The amount of the structural surplus takes into consideration the ongoing revenues and expenditures So the $125,000 in this scenario would dip a little bit into that structural surplus. So the summation of the OUSD grant match and the historic inventory survey is about 200-some thousand. So instead of seeing a negative $200,000 it's negative 94 because we're taking into consideration we're going to use part of that surplus and dip into the reserve balance in this scenario.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.6944:49

Okay. Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed44:51

thank

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role44:51

you. Just on that piece it was because they needed to make sure they got to that level of the grant which they not that long ago did so though it didn't come out of last our current fiscal that's going to come out

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.6945:04

Right right right exactly yeah okay cool

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed45:08

And only if there we were doing a matching right? So it only is coming out of Grant or I believe that they're there

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role45:16

They're there. Yeah, I believe they're there but we'll let them speak for themselves. Any other questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed45:28

I have questions but I think it goes into the general discussion so I'll hold on.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role45:32

Okay all right. I have two cards for public comments Larry Steingold and then I have River Savignon.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed45:49

The budget shows less money for roads. It was allocated $4.5 million, it's been cut to $2.5 million. Have you told the people in your districts which roads aren't going to be paved for more years because this was part of the deal? You spend the money for the roads, and they all get done. Because 30-year roads, 15 year money? This keeps getting stretched out. There are roads that won't get paid for how many more years?

Four or five? I mean this is uncalled for. This is just, you know it's a continuation of decades of not repairing things and taking money from the low-hanging fruit which is the roads. I mean everybody's aware that if you need more money take it from the roads because people don't complain they just live with them but once the roads are done then it's maintenance. It's easier to maintain than it is they do what we're doing on some of these roads And then you're going to want to build sidewalks, and the money's going to come from the roads. And then they're going to need a sidewalk on Bryant, and the money is going to come from the roads. So there are roads here that may not get paid for I don't know how many years.

And it's just not right for these people who have been waiting for what seems decades. So please put money back into the budget for the roads or take it from somewhere that's not a priority, that we can live without for at least the next three years. Thank

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role47:22

you.

CommentRiver SauvageauProposedself-stated47:31

Good evening, Mayor and City Council. My name is River Sauvageau. I

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role47:35

lead the making of Ojai's largest public art project, the Ojai Day Mandala,

CommentRiver SauvageauProposedself-stated47:39

and this will be our 34th year. Since we've been painting around the fountain in the park since 2020, the mandala gets to last for a couple of months. We have probably about 200 people that come and paint with us and participate. And then over those two months, we have thousands of people who get to view the mandala as it is fresh and then it slowly fades and then gets washed off It's something we, I think it's one of the most unifying projects that are, that happen in Ojai where people of all ages. Literally, we've had one-year-olds painting in the mandala to 84 year olds so far So all ages, all artistic skills because you don't have to be an artist to paint in the mandala and have it be yours.

And then for also for people from all economic backgrounds and all political belief and religious beliefs So it is really unifying. So last year, the city kindly supported us and again this is my 34th year for many years the city did pay for our materials but you know I never got paid and that was okay for me but now This is something that really defines Ojai in a lot of places and for a lot of people.

And I'm asking for the Ojai Day mandala be part of a permanent budget item in Ojai, and I'm asking for $7000. because right now I'm in a legacy period with this. Because after 33 years, I hope to paint for many more years to come but I am training the next generation and that takes a few years and I want to do weekly workshops right now. I also have started the Mandala Medicine Movement which is to bring this out into the world and our logo has Chief Peak and Topatopa Mountain in the middle so that wherever we go, we know we come from Ojai. That this is based in Ojai. So I'm just really happy to be a person living here for 48 years. I love this community. I have over 40 years of volunteer experience in the arts here. And so I'm asking for your support and I thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed50:22

Thank you for being here. Can you say one more time the amount? $7000. I just wanted to make sure.

CommentRiver SauvageauProposedself-stated50:29

You did hear that right? Thank you. OK, thank you very much.

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.7350:34

That's my last card. Anybody online? Mayor, we have two raised hands on this item. First, we'll have Mr. Miley followed by Renee. Mr. Miley, you have the floor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed50:42

All right. Hello. I participated in the recent finance committee meeting I participated in the recent finance committee meeting. I understand the budget and its reserves, and I support this proposal. Thank you. Thank you.

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ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.7351:11

Next we'll have Renee. You have the ability to unmute when you may speak.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed51:18

Good evening Mayor and members of the Council and staff. Oh, hello? Hi.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role51:25

Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed51:26

Oh okay you can hear me. Okay good evening mayor and members of the council and staff I have just a quick comment. I want you to look for fire safety in the budget It needs to be in there. It's not in there. We have a current contract with the Ojai Valley Fire Safe Council, and I would expect that the city would take the lead On discussions about what the future needs are, but I know they need to get that feedback from the city council members on how you are going to scope and approach fire safety.

And mitigation efforts in the coming year and that hasn't really happened yet. So I'm hoping you have time or can begin that process So, I think something should be in there and it's there's zero for next year The other thing is regarding the historic inventory survey It's listed as a one-year item It was on your presentation as well, but if you look at the budget for Historic Preservation Commission It's in the 25-26 budget and on the 26-27 budget for $88,000. And my understanding it was supposed to be for one year so I'm just curious if it is a one year or if it was carried over like the grant for the Matilloha proposal?

And then legal services. We didn't really discuss this at the Budget and Finance Committee meeting, but I do believe the $900,000 budget for legal services is very optimistic. If you look at what we spent over the last two years Where the outstanding lawsuits that we're currently haggling over, I think it needs to be looked at and it needs to be more realistic.

And in terms of the structured surplus I think it might be a better understanding to understand the categories where money is reserved. There are certain accounting terms used to classify that structural surplus, such as certain amounts are reserved for committed expenditures that you're already committed to spend and i think it might be good to have more detail thank you.

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.7354:20

Thank you. That's all on Zoom Mayor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed54:22

Okay

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role54:24

Yes, go ahead. Oh, I know that I have a few items but I'm happy to have somebody else start or me start. Anybody wants to begin? I'll jump in. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed54:35

I know that we talked about raising our fees and doing a fee study and I'm not seeing that incorporated. Perpetually interested in The amount of money that it's going to take to complete the permanent supportive housing project I know that we've discussed about the idea that there's gonna be a need for a construction manager At roughly three-quarters million dollars and there are Items that are in the project that aren't being covered by the grant or the contractor. I'd really like to know what that amount is and I'd like to know details about the operating costs and when those will begin.

Not 100% clear on Measure C money. I was kind of surprised to see code enforcement as part of Measure C, and I know that it's in the language of the measure but the way the measure reads, I would understand that code enforcement to be related to the measures That are implemented that then require code enforcement as a so that. Code enforcement as a general proposition should come from the General Fund, as opposed to Measure C.

The idea behind measure C is it? The voters like residents were asked if they wanted to increase the tax with the idea that the tax would be. Specified for you know very specific purposes. I was also going to ask about roads, because I know at one point in time we were talking about accelerating the paving project and now we're kind of shifting towards I think slowing it down and I have a very general.

Support for the idea that should be at the top of our priorities is to get the paving done. It is a correct assessment that the more we delay, especially the worst of our streets, the more expensive it's going to be to get them into repair. Important that one, you know that Once we get to the point where all of our streets are in pretty good shape, then the annual maintenance of that is gonna be much better. And I'll eventually have a new list of worse streets.

Hopefully Libby's being taken care of in the next few months. It's on the list yeah. Just anecdotally say that it was up on North Montgomery not too long ago and oh and I drive the street next to El Roblar virtually every day. And I don't understand how a construction project occurred and then the street wasn't paved at the close-in conclusion of the construction project.

So As a general proposition, the Recreation Department is shown to generate $565,000 a year and the expense of it is $750,000. And I would like for us to be looking at a break even proposition so maybe looking at our fees for services or classes and all the rest of that.

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role59:34

We can come back to you. Yeah, that's fine. Okay.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.5759:39

Do we want to address the questions all at once or individually? How would you like to proceed?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role59:45

Yeah no good question some of these I also have on my list so if you did want to address some of them now but you can and then I won't have to. It's however you want to have a discussion Why don't we, let's give it one pass. Yeah do you have anything you want to say right now?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:00:00

Okay

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:00:02

I'll go so the fee study is something that I was also interested in because that will change a lot of our dynamics as that report generates. That's one item I was hoping to see or that we can talk about The roads are interesting, and Ms. Palmer tell me if I say anything incorrectly right now. So the design phase has been budgeted so for the next part of the road paving, Ms. Palmer mentioned they're working on the design right now so that when the funding comes in there won't be a pause and I thought that we would look at this report and see what is that unallocated piece? That's the first piece and decide or ask the question, should we keep the road paving on track? I think there's a lot of motivation to do that potentially.

But then secondly, the budget committee is taking two important pieces that they've already stated publicly to evaluate and bring forward to this body. One is an evaluation of the reserve policy. That's one of the next things we'll be taking up not say it needs to change but even a 10% change in that would yield you know, a substantial amount And the second is measure C. How should the allocation of measure C work? So those are two items that have already been publicly stated that I, my hope would be as the year progresses we do see the road paving stay on its current track not slow down.

That's one other piece. Finally, actually I have two more sorry. I would suggest we do what we did last year which is it's page 82 of the large packet And if you see in fire mitigation that line, I propose that we do what we did before. We put in $1 million as a placeholder not dedicated to anything yet but we know that's something we are going to be doing and that the Fire Safe Council has just one vendor among many has already begun having conversations about when their contract ends at the end of September what's next So anyway, that's a proposal there that I would hope we would entertain.

Then as was mentioned earlier for the rec department budget this would be page 65. I don't know if this is the right line item but under contract services let's say or whatever makes the most sense I would propose a $7000 increase and that would be for this year's mandala and also training for future mandalas which we did something similar last year Last, this is really for the Budget Committee to take up but we did get some public comments last time and also over email around just looking again at the cannabis tax. I would love to see the Budget Committee look at that and evaluate it not hold up the budget now but just It's not a huge line item, but it is something that we just evaluate that compared to other cities and bring that forward to our council again.

Those are my few

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:03:00

items. And I would second that.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:03:01

Cool.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:03:02

Yeah, thank

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:03:03

you

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:03:03

for that worth reviewing. Okay,

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:03:05

great.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:03:05

That's it. Well, you've thrown my thunder. I'm joking. No, I'm joking. So actually so I had some of the similar thoughts one adding a million dollar we already talked about as a council Making fire mitigation and fire resiliency a top priority And so I'd like to look at at adding a million dollars and and and for fuel reduction in particular as Councilmember Whitman was saying earlier also, I I want to look at I had a thought come in from a constituent about waiving fees for fire hardening and tree trimming for fire.

And so, I want to have the budget committee look at that. And then, I also am in favor of adding $7000 for the mandala. Honestly, knowing what murals cost and knowing what public art costs that is reasonable.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:04:08

So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:04:09

you

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:04:09

said have the Budget Committee look at what a fee reduction or

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:04:12

elimination

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:04:12

related to fire mitigation?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:04:15

Yes thank you. And then I also had a question for, I forgot to ask you earlier Ms. Cho, but is the, for the Parks and Rec budget for the expenditures did we, is some of the grant for the renovations, the park renovations, is any of that included in the revenue or the expenditures?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:04:43

Are you speaking to the playground

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:04:45

grant? Yes.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:04:46

Yeah, it's not included in expenditures.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:04:49

Will that be CIP?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:04:50

We have it, yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:04:52

Great thank you so much and then I also am in favor of looking at the recreation balance with the staffing as well and so those were my main things

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ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:05:09

Yes, so I as one of the future agenda items around the fire, the ember casting. I'd like to seriously consider that and make that a budget item that the city covers the cost of that. I mean, I'd like a discussion around what that would look like with the idea towards the highest priority is to get this done And the city take that on as a responsibility to make sure that it does get done.

You know, regardless of cost really I mean if the city has to cover the cost I would like that discussion to happen because I think you know I don't want to get bogged down in means testing and this and that and administrative things so I'd like to bring that forward. And I wanted to see, and perhaps I can come back to this. At one point, I looked at where the Help of Ojai was.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:06:16

The Help of Ojai?

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:06:17

Yeah, wasn't that here or was I somewhere in some other world?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:06:23

There's a system support Help of Ojai. That would be on... But that's out of the Encampment Resolution Funding Grant 78

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:06:31

Yeah, there are several areas that we pay help with online. So we pay them for transportation We also pay them for case management or OTT We also have an allocation in this current fiscal year for rental assistance right and I might be forgetting I think those are the three Right

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:06:53

Yeah, so I guess when Help of Ojai comes back with their report. I want to look at that again and see where we might do a gap analysis on what's not being covered, what should be covered and things like that. And if we're not spending the money, if we've given a criteria such that it's hard for people to fit into that, Where those needs are in here from help of Ojai and think about potentially, you know adding a little bit or Reallocating rethinking that so I believe

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:07:28

councilmember. You're speaking of the rental assistance allocation Okay, that's

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:07:32

like that is on page 60 right now. So you see the hundred thousand not included this time but What possibly in that case I was thinking, I like what you're saying. Let's get a report out. Is it effective? Is it working? What needs to happen? How can we further assist and then adjust as needed?

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:07:48

Yeah,

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:07:49

I would like to do that. Very much.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:07:52

And I guess everything else has kind of been covered, certainly for the public art, the mandala. That is the largest public art that anyone can come and do and there's no You know, there's no judgment on your artistic interpretation. It's just like come and be creative with us. And I think that's one of the only places that is the case on a drop-in basis. So I would like to support that as fully as needs to be supported.

Do we put in 10,000 at one point or was that my 5,000? So 7,000 is good. Yeah it's such a great project and once again it is the true public art so I 100 I support that completely and other than that we're gonna get to a couple of things come up so I that's it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:08:56

Thank you. General comments also embrace the money for the mandala. That seems like kind of a no-brainer. With each of these expenditure areas and it being brought back to us, Fire mitigation issues, especially. I would want to know what state and federal grants are available and what we're doing about pursuing those. I know that CAL FIRE gives out a lot of money but also, and this goes to the budget in general, I spent some time reading about the prospects for federal monies being cut and California being a target of cuts.

The likelihood that the state is going to be looking at their own cuts and so I think we need to Anticipate And and be protective of that and You know, and so that may impact the reserve policy and how we discuss that but the other I was a little bit concerned that we, you know, we had this combination of unused Measure C money plus this year's Measure C money and were basically spending all of it. And I generally lean towards at least saving something for a rainy day or unforeseen consequence so You know, I'm kind of interested in the idea of not necessarily, you know, the money's there to be spent but as opposed to maybe spending it all in one fell

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:11:21

swoop.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:11:23

Divvy out the unspent pass funds on a two or three year basis for as projects and need arises and maybe we're not able to meet it elsewhere.

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ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:11:41

I think that's a reasonable approach. I think also we need to have the discussion and we should have the discussion about the amount of money that we have and if we're going to spread out past Measure C money into the future, that kind of begs the question is that we will then have new Measure C money that we didn't spend? So it's kind of that way. It's really a question, and I think it's a question that this council should really engage with is are we on a...

Are we thinking in our mindset? Are we at a scarcity mindset or are we at an abundance mindset? And where do we fall in that as far as what we need to do? Once again, to me if a fire comes and we're not prepared everything else is irrelevant. It's just irrelevant. So where we look at a scarcity approach to some things, we should also look at an abundance approach to other things that are fundamental and essential beyond the thriving of the city but the survival of the city. So, and I think that it's a philosophical discussion. It's also a very nuts-and-bolts dollars and cents discussion as well. And so that's how I would like to frame it really when we do have that discussion?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:13:12

I will offer this. It's on page 42 of the packet. And if you...it's the Measure C budget and the Measure C highlights. And it's true when you look at The fund balance, the revenues and then the expenditures with only 200,000 left but you look to the right of that and you see the projects. Every one of those seem good to me. And I think from my reading of the measure where the punctuation is it does seem like it's code enforcement generally because of where the semicolons are placed so it seems like a good spend. But what I would suggest is if something happens that requires an urgent response We continue to have not only our 100% reserve, but that dollar amount that's over the reserve. So I think we're okay if something came up that we had to respond to immediately even if that measure C is exhausted for now on the spent.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:14:08

If I could jump in, that was our rationale on putting this together. What we didn't want to do was create several different reserve funds. You may recall in years past there was a line item that was in the budget and this is years ago it was like a $400,000 discontingency set aside So just to keep it clean and simple, you have your 100% reserve policy and then the amount on top of that. And as has been mentioned now several times, the Finance and Budget Committee is going to review this and come up with some recommendations on how to maybe use that in a more strategic manner looking at other jurisdictions that are in a similar position to Ojai that are visitor-based economies, et cetera.

But we don't specifically set aside something for Measure C just because of what was

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:14:58

mentioned.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:14:59

And similarly it's difficult for staff not having, I'm not faulting the council. We don't have a clear policy that explains how to divvy that up so it's important for the Finance and Budget Committee to make that recommendation bring it back here and if it's a percentage if it is dollar allotment whatever it is just something so we know what the rules are

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:15:21

And I think we've talked about that and the need to do that so that we are all clear on how to divvy things up.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:15:27

I think that'll be a really actually really interesting conversation to have, to bring it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:15:31

forward. I'm sorry. Page 60, middle of the page OTT proposed $400,000. What is that?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:15:50

So that is the ongoing expenses of running OTT. That's salaries, that's secure all, that supplies and that's roughly the amount of money that we spend each year to keep that low.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:16:02

So it jumped from 322 to 400?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:16:05

We looking at expenditures we felt that that was a more accurate reflection of what it actually would cost.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:16:12

Okay, and then we had spoke before and I'm just curious there were things that we've paid out. You have told me that they're reimbursable. Is that so? How much of that or you don't have to give me the answer now but...

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:16:26

So the reimbursable part of OTT is from the grant are the case manager allotments. So that's help of Ojai and then a portion 50% of Ventura County Behavioral Health And all total, it's probably around rough numbers 250 maybe thereabouts annually that is reimbursable from the ERF grant and reimbursable when... Well, sorry. That's making it more complicated. Reimbursable now and then a different bucket of money hopefully will become available once the development opens to sustain that.

But if not, we have $500,000 per year for four years set aside as part of the grant. Two million dollars to pay for that for the first four years while we're identifying what the long-term source is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:17:17

And then just a quick question not to do with the budget but how many people are in Tent Town now? Because I know the numbers fluctuate.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:17:24

It's mid 20s.

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:17:30

So what you're asking for today is this conversation. So you're taking a few items back that you will, do you want to see a list of what to take back or what would be useful to you now?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:17:39

Can I ask a couple questions? Sure. I heard and I just want council to give us some guidance. Head nods. I've heard, I'm going to start with the big picture items. I've heard a desire for a $1 million allotment for fire related I know that there are also some discussions about a desire for grant matches to go with that. The reason why I'm asking is it's a pie, as we've talked about before and there's one of two ways to address this. You either can reduce spending in another area You can also take the approach that you want to pull this as a one-time type activity from your allotment over your reserve, but it's one of those two approaches that you need to give us guidance on how you want us to proceed. I understand

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:18:30

that part. At least I'll just get my own opinion. It would come out of the unallocated after the 100% reserve But not to all be spent or even, there's no vendors sort of in the queue. It's just to understand we know- A set aside if you will? A set aside yeah.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:18:47

Okay

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:18:48

Which is what I believe

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:18:49

we did last year And I guess one of the other questions is, would that be appropriate for Measure C? Because that's actually one of the very specific things that was promoted that we could do with Measure C as to address fire mitigation.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:19:12

And I guess I would just respond back only in this sense, it does seem like it would be a Measure C piece but then All of those, but all of the Measure C highlights. If they don't fall into Measure C I would move them somewhere else. So then we're just shuffling piles I suppose? That's right

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:19:32

you're moving if you want buyers specifically to be in Measure C then something else needs to go to that.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:19:37

Now if we were not in the financial position we are in at 116% of the reserve that would be a different

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:19:43

conversation. Yeah. This is a new thought, but I've thought about it a lot. I might have raised it once or twice. There would be some value in putting aside an amount of money to fend off those people who come here and say, we're gonna sue you unless you give me what I want. And our lawsuit's gonna take you into bankruptcy. And I know that there's one organization in town that created one of those funds. The Defense Fund. They haven't been spending it. The idea is that you have that So that you don't get in the situation where somebody can kind of bully you around by their threats. Is this different than the fire conversation? No, this is a more general.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:20:49

I have a thought if I could Council Member on that. One thought is this could be direction given to the Finance and Budget Committee as they're strategically looking at the reserve. That would be a logical layer if you will, a defense fund as part Strategic reserves have layers. Cash flows at the bottom, emergencies and so forth but with the amount that this city has you could have several layers one of them could be a defense.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:21:18

I'm not opposed to that at all. Not instead of fire, but if we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:21:23

want to. No I'm not suggesting instead of fire at all. I'm just thinking of the idea that you know and I don't know where we're gonna be on any of these issues but if we didn't want 2,500 units to go in across from Nordau But the developer was saying, we're going to crush you unless you approve this. We not have to start figuring out where we get that defense from our budget. We'd be able to say, OK, this has been set aside. I agree. And then you decide whether to access that and the money can be there kind of useful or I think you and I talked about this before that the money can actually be not like Put into a vault but usable, but it but it only in you know only in certain ways and circumstances that preserve the ability to allocate

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:22:33

Well something I think you'll like is that if we were to take, and we look at that 116% after the 100% reserve and then the extra. But going back to fire for a second, if you said $1 million is set aside for fire, that money then reduces by $1 million? What I like about that is so instead of 4387 it's 3387. It just helps us understand what we have to play with, because we know this is a priority for us. If the defense fund falls into that, great. But you see my point though is that we don't just look at this dollar amount and think, but I can do

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:23:07

X, Y, and Z. Yeah, go. I think better use of your funds, and again, I think it's a great discussion for the Finance and Budget Committee would just because it's unknown. What you know is you want to establish a fund, but you don't know what it needs to be. And so if you just have a layer within your reserve that's just allocated for that purpose Then I'll give you a doomsday scenario. Let's say you have this huge lawsuit, your layer ends up not being enough and you need to go into the next layer which is emergency.

That's where a really detailed reserve fund policy can help you but then you're also not tying up this money or using funds that you could be using for a capital project because it's just not known. I understand the prudence of having the fund, it makes sense to me but I think that's a very good layer in your reserve policy

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:23:53

consideration. So you were going to go down a list. You said which pocket does the money come from and

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:24:00

then? Sorry, elephants. The big elephant in the room. We talked about this fire allotment. The other one is I've heard some discussions about wanting to spend more on roads. So what happened is we're spending a lot of money on climate. A huge amount of money, and that's also something that's identified in Measure C. And it's a multi-year project and it's going to hit all city facilities and it's gonna be very impactful. But again, going back to that pie scenario, you have to pull this money from somewhere else if you wanna do both or make pieces smaller.

And so that's the hard decision. Did you ask anyone? I'm sorry.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:24:43

No, I was going to say in a way. I'm just throwing it out there. We don't we might not have to make that decision right now and the reason why I say that is that when the audit when the audits come back for 2425 and we see that and also look at revenues in it might be and we also have that advance in other words we're spending less on roads at the moment, that could move forward. So maybe we don't have to decide that yet?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:25:05

We could come back. It's a living document and you know, if it was pleasure of the council, we can come back as often as you like to re-decide things and that's totally fine. You don't have to make all your decisions right now. The work is progressing right now. If you just think about this as a general spending plan, right? That's what you're doing tonight. And if you have some items that are follow up or we need to make adjustments during the year, that's acceptable.

Is that

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:25:30

okay for now, for you?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:25:31

Yeah. That's fine.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:25:32

I have one thing that I wanted to bring up which was at some point I made a suggestion that we look at making the trolley free and I know that some of my calculations weren't correct because you don't actually lose the amount of money that you got through your the payments, you actually lose something else. But I'd still like to look at that because I think if it's within a reasonable amount, it is one of the first steps to getting people out of their cars and dealing with traffic as well as making the trolley free for our community. But it also is, I think, a firm first step in getting people to just get on and get off.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:26:21

So we could certainly have that as a concept review item if it's a pleasure of the council. What we've been told, and I'll ask Ms. Cervantes to jump in, we lose grant funding unless we charge some amount for the trolley so we can reduce the fares. We can offer it for free but then we're not entitled to the grant funding that we rely upon to fund

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ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:26:43

Whereby we work with tokens that or you know, in other words can we get creative with the charging of fees?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:26:51

We could bring it back as a concept review. I think but I think that what the VCTC and others have told us is that you need to charge some amount right In order to get there.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:27:02

I mean if we charged a dime Yes, we could figure out something like a dime so that's

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:27:07

an item to come

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:27:08

back Yeah, so if we could think and think creatively about ways that we could make this free with the idea. So I'll

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:27:14

ask Mr. Montgomery to park that item as well and we're happy to bring that back. Thank you.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:27:18

Yep.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:27:22

And then we heard the mandala.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:27:25

Yeah sorry I'm just going down the list of questions if you can just give me a second to catch up. Oh, okay. So questions about a fee study? I believe that we did put that into the budget. Ms. Cho, can you remind me where we put that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:27:44

Yes, it's in the finance department and we did budget for a fee study.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:27:48

All right, so we will be bringing that back to you. Amount of money allocated for the permanent supportive housing project? That is on page, I marked it. It's in the CIP. Page 90. If you see in the facilities

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:28:07

section... Just while you're doing that, the fee study is on page 57. Yeah.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:28:15

So yeah, we've got 1.5 anticipated to be expended this fiscal year for the permanent supportive housing project and 8 million in this coming fiscal year. And that's where the construction and it's anticipated right now to be completed in July of 27. And we hope to have some information out to you this week and we anticipate we could be doing a groundbreaking as early as this month but more details on that later this week. Going down from the list of questions Operating costs when they began, again we touched on this briefly. That's going to be born for the first four years it's anticipated to be born from the ERF grant and $2 million has been set aside and approved by HCD for that purpose, $500,000 a year to run that.

We have not brought back a construction manager position for the project. We can still do that, we don't have a funding source for that really. We could dip into the city's successor agency funding for that. I don't think it would be $325,000, I think it would be closer to $250,000 but we could certainly bring that back if council wanted us to There's a desire for that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:29:27

Well, I think maybe and it doesn't have to be on the budget. I think there should be a discussion about Just like how we allocate Measure C, how do we allocate that successor fund that was created by the Housing Authority?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:29:47

Sure.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:29:48

Was it the Redevelopment Authority?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:29:51

Right exactly would you like that to start with the Finance and Budget Committee and come back to you or would you like it to come right to Council?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:29:58

I think probably come to council.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:30:00

Okay, I'm seeing some head nods. Mr. Montgomery let's put that on the parking lot as well. Yeah, Ms. Cho do you remember the balance in there?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:30:10

I believe liquid about $600,000 but there are it's a bigger fund balance but there are receivables out there related to housing.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:30:20

Okay sorry we already talked about the mandala

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:30:23

And I would say that conceptually if we're talking about breaking ground, we need to be talking about whether or not we want to hire a construction manager because at some point we want them to happen at the same time. So we have to make a decision.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:30:40

We have two items coming back to you in July related to the project and we could bring a third item as well. We have one related to the donation policy, one related to the DMA modification and we could add that as a third item to that to the July 14th meeting Mr. Montgomery if you want to put that on there too. Owner's representative for Ojai Permanent Supportive Housing Project so they'll be three items coming back to you on the July 14th meeting

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:31:05

okay great thank you

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:31:06

yeah absolutely um okay just looking I think, did I miss anything that you guys

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.731:31:16

mentioned? Mr. City Manager, one clarification. We currently place that on August 11th just to confirm.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:31:22

The permits for housing items?

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.731:31:24

The donation policy and

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:31:26

the... Let's move this to July. Confirmed. And please let me know if I've missed items we talked about.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:31:39

That's what I had. So I think rather than take up our time discussion, maybe I will talk with you directly about H-42 and the Measure C projects and just how they fit in Measure C. so that I understand more of the rationale, because I want to make sure we're doing voter intent.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:32:17

Yeah no and that's why we're very much wanting this policy yeah because then it's just left to interpretation and we reread the language over and over again like oh that's not included. Well look how the language is so broad. It really is. And just on that topic, I think it's in here. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn but we are funding two maintenance employees. Am I remembering this correctly? Right so two public works maintenance employees are being born from Measure C funds and you know this is just illustrative Why we need a policy, but our rationale was it speaks a lot to maintenance and infrastructure. And the way that we accomplish that is yes, it's through contracts, but it's also through people taking care of that every day. So these are maintenance worker employees and that's really all that they do.

But that's subject to council's determination. That's what we've put in there, but that doesn't mean that that's what you guys want. And we're also trying to be mindful, you know, we could have gone down a slope where oh my gosh well this person also is involved in that and that person's involved in it. We just decided to say no these are people who are just truly working for infrastructure improvement.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:33:37

I think when the budget committee does look at it we will look not only at well obviously we'll carefully look at the language again and then when we look at allocations look at activities that we think are legitimate and bring that forward.

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ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:33:52

Do we have any questions that we didn't address?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:33:59

No, but just to confirm for the roads that would be coming back. I believe so. As we can always update budget throughout the year.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:34:09

And this budget is the clearest budget I've ever seen. So thank you for the hard work.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:34:14

Finance team did a great job, and really kudos. It's outstanding. And just in case you're wondering, you are going to get a hard copy of it, and it will be much, much, much more soon than you got it last year.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:34:25

I just want to confirm that when we're looking at fees, while we're looking to increase some fees, we're also potentially looking to decrease and or abolish some fees that might

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:34:41

So you can establish a fee for something, and then council only has the ability to waive fees or subsidize fees. So I sense a broader discussion. I heard talk about recreation fees. I heard talk about fire hardening fees.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:34:56

Or tree permitting

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:34:58

fees. Absolutely. So what we would do with the fee studies is we would establish what the actual cost is of the service because you're only allowed by law to charge But then the council can say, you know what? That's fine. We don't care that it costs us $70 for this permit. We don't want to charge for

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:35:15

it.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:35:17

But on the administrative side, I just want council to know we're not able to waive fees. So we come to you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:35:24

guys.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:35:28

Okay. Thank you. Wow. Great. Wonderful. Okay, moving on. Ron, thank you so much. We're on item number nine, levying collection of assessments for landscaping and lighting district.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:35:53

And welcome Ms. Palmer. Thank you. Welcome back, Chief.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:36:12

So good evening, Mayor and Council. So tonight I am bringing forward part two of what I brought a couple of weeks ago. So two weeks ago on May 26th, I brought to you the preliminary engineers report. This is for our annual assessment to levy the assessment for three maintenance districts. So tonight I'm asking you to open a public hearing and adopt a resolution approving the final engineer's report assessing the levies and ordering the work to be done.

And then Asking directing staff to report to the county so these assessments can get on next year's tax roll. So I can just recap briefly, so we have lighting and landscape districts one in three, and we're asking just to maintain that assessment that we've carried for many years now And for the Plaza Maintenance District, the proposed in the engineer's report is for a reduction of $36,000 to be spread out amongst the property owners out there based on the square footage of their building. So that would be prorated accordingly and I've got the data in my office if anybody is out there wanting to know what their reduction is going to be. Kristen?

So I would encourage anybody who's listening to give our office a call and I'm happy to share that information. So, that's kind of it.

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:37:35

Right. Any questions? We went over this before, of course. And

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:37:42

this is a public hearing. This is a public hearing.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:37:45

Yeah, I have no public comments on this item. Yes, come up! Thank you, hello.

PresenterKristen Rainsproperty owners since our family owns the building where Rainbow Bridge and RainProposedself-stated1:37:55

I'm Kristen Rains and I'm here representing the property owners since our family owns the building where Rainbow Bridge and Rain Department Store as well as business owner Rain Department Store. I'm not sure that you and I are talking about the same thing, because what the report I read showed a change from 41 to 33 cents. Is that the same? That is, yes, per assessment unit. Well thank you again for the opportunity to talk about this. So while that sounds like a great idea to do reduction, unfortunately it doesn't come anywhere near the cost that we've actually incurred since the change in the assessment district.

In the past it was originally established in 1988 by my father and other local business people And the idea originally was that it would beautify the plaza, maintain the plaza and the trash for the local businesses was consolidated into three areas. We subsequently We have learned that it was not legal to do that and so that service, a trash service has been removed from businesses. We are no longer included in the assessment and the cost of that is substantial. For example Rainbow Bridge's cost of trash service went from Or what was on the assessment to $11,500. So this is a huge cost of added costs to the businesses.

I want to start by saying thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In addition to that, I reviewed several of the property tax statements and I noticed a couple of discrepancies. For example it looks like our property at 218 East Ojai Avenue is being charged 51 cents a square foot and 254 East Ojai Avenue where Uniburger is at 54 cents So I think that there's some concerns there.

In addition to that, I found several property tax bills that don't show any LLAD 1 or 3 taxes. So there's a lot of discrepancies that I think deserve a thorough review. In addition to that, the plaza when it was the first...

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:41:04

Sorry that but you you can also write things up Is there something that you need to say that you could say in like 10 seconds?

PresenterKristen Rainsproperty owners since our family owns the building where Rainbow Bridge and RainProposedself-stated1:41:10

I can't okay No, I'm not

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:41:17

inviting you to go on

PresenterKristen Rainsproperty owners since our family owns the building where Rainbow Bridge and RainProposedself-stated1:41:18

I was saying if you could stay in ten seconds, thank you

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.731:41:23

Mayor we have one raised hand. Okay from Renee. Yes, maybe you have the floor. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:41:32

Thank you. Good evening, and I don't know if this is the right place or the time to bring up this question but over on Church Road there's not a lot of street lights in fact there's I don't think any at night it's pretty dark over here and I know the city is doing an energy upgrade HVAC and climate ready kind of energy upgrades. And so I'm wondering if there's any way to do dark sky lighting over on Church Road that might make it safer to walk? We do have sidewalks, fortunately. Mayor

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:42:18

this is very specifically for the Landscaping and Lighting District not for general discussion about street lights or dark sky policy.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:42:25

Are you okay postponing for Renee till another time?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:42:29

Yeah, and also the sidewalks are pretty uneven. And so it's not safe to walk. So both of those I don't know when or where or how to bring that up but it has to do with lighting and maintenance. And that area was actually on the map. I looked to see if there was an area defined on the map and there is.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:42:51

Renee, it's a different subject.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:42:55

But we do have two safety commissioners here, so take note my friends. Take note. This is going to be your job.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:43:06

Thank you, Renee. All done. Okay so any more comments online? No Mayor. Okay so I guess that I do want to respond to Ms. Raines what she said so I do remember when the trash became forward yes so I guess Miss Palmer I'm wanting to ask this question is this conversation worth something larger do you feel like it's been had What's the next step here?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:43:31

So the conversation has definitely been had. We spent public work, spent about 18 months trying to trying to peel back the layers of this onion. So it came to our attention by EJ Harrison that they hadn't been paid for their trash service since 2016 and it came to us in 2024 I think. And so we started looking into it, looking into it had not been paid So we had our prior legal team do a deep dive into whether or not the Lighting and Landscape Act that formulated these assessment districts would allow, or was even lawful to provide trash services to the businesses. So we've got the trash enclosures that are behind Rainbow Bridge and we've got them over on Montgomery towards Montgomery.

And those are community bins for the property owners And it is we don't pay. The city does not pay for private trash service for anybody in the city, and it was unlawful for us to do that based on the formulation of this landscape or this arcade plaza maintenance district. Right? The trash service that is referred to in the engineer's report is in the common areas in the park.

Of course, Plaza Park is a city park, so we'd pay for the refuse service there. So this was this was a long laborious process and rather painful of trying to have all of the property owners out at the Plaza Arcade come in and sign up for trash service. So now that trash service, we, the city sort of stepped away from the calculation on that. And so the property owner were dealing directly with EJ Harrison and coming up with what EJ, they're the professionals, they know how to figure out what trash service. So that's what they did. So we didn't set those rates at all.

Now E.J. Harrison is getting paid for the pickups, so...

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:45:31

So I'm not sure that I understood everything that was said but what I understood and it could be wrong was that the assessment as it was originally set up included trash And but then the assessment, you know, stayed the same. But a fundamental service that was part of the assessment that was assumed was taken away like is that what I mean? Am I understanding this correctly?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:45:59

It appears at some point originally the city was covering the cost of the private trash service. That stopped in 2016. That stopped a long, long time ago and nobody was paying for the trash service.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:46:14

Yeah no I get that but when the assessment first came up it included trash

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:46:20

I'm just trying to- It probably did, but it was unlawful. It was not allowed based on the legal formulation under this Lighting and

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:46:29

Landscape Act. If I could jump in, the other thing that I recall from this discussion was city's records were not very good at this time. And when we did the forensic accounting, it's not clear if the city just received a bill and paid it out of the general fund or how it was paid.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:46:45

No, I'm just saying that for instance as a landlord. If I take away something from someone that has been included in their rent, I have to compensate them for that. I'm not allowed to do that. I am not allowed to say you used to have a parking space now you no longer have one right? So I'm just trying to figure out if that's what happening here. Not that I have any opinion one way or the other, but if this assessment district was formed in 1960. Or whenever it was formed, I don't know when it was formed. But for that period of time, this was part and parcel of that assessment tax.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:47:19

So I think we want to I want to be clear on that part. Yeah, it never OK regardless of what was explained by the city erroneously or otherwise at the time landscaping and lighting district refuse is not one of the services that you're able to pay for from that assessment unless its ancillary items like Lindy's and Miss Palmer has indicated a trash can in a landscaped area that's part of a park

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:47:47

Right, I understand that.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:47:48

Isn't it that you're to make your analogy makes sense? It would be if I understand correctly something was being offered so the tenant is receiving something and you have come to the conclusion that it was illegally offered. So when you say well we're taking away your parking spot I see that the experience is, I'm getting less than I used to get. But it was wrongly given in the first place. That doesn't mean there's not a mitigation thing

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:48:11

here. Right, right, right. No, and I understand all that. And even if it was wrongly given, it was given. I just wanted to make sure that I understood what was being said and how it was being said. And I also was curious when this district first came into being. So how many? 1970. 1970, thank you. Thank you for waiting for me. So 1972, so we're talking about almost 50 years. And so I'm just saying- No doubt. I wanted to be clear on the

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:48:43

point. And as Ms. Palmer indicated, we involve the city's attorney's office. We have a lengthy memo which we could resend out to the City Council that kind of goes through the whole saga that explains everything and the headline was Harrison was picking up the trash but not being compensated for it since 2016 if I remember correctly. But I want to jump to the reason why I'm painting all this there is another option You could it has to be a vote of the property owners. You could create a business improvement district And we did talk about this with the group and the biz and the group can decide what they wanted to pay for from assessing themselves And they could decide trash would be one thing security Whatever sidewalk cleaning then that's commonly done in downtown

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:49:30

I understand how it's difficult for the city to take this on or to re-evaluate.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:49:37

I think what would be most

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:49:37

helpful is

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.571:49:39

we will redistribute this very lengthy memo from the City Attorney's Office that kind of explains everything.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:49:45

Yeah, no, I get it. I get it. I don't know if you know I get it. Thomas was curious. I'm interested

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:49:51

in getting that memo. Ms. Palmer can you redistribute that? You know, I'm interested in understanding the issue better and whether the city would have a role on it. Right? Because we counsel says about it. And I'm also concerned about the idea that people had the understanding they were paying for trash and then suddenly they discover that they're not Actually, they didn't discover it because the vendor kept collecting it without insisting upon it.

So I'm interested in taking a look. Huge staff time expense, but I would like to understand the issue better and what our options are.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:50:55

We can bring that back

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:50:56

as a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:50:56

future agenda item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:50:58

And I'm happy to share the memo it was- No please redistribute the memo, we'll do that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:51:02

at the start.

1:51 – 2:0316 turns

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:51:09

I was clear about the situation as I could have been at that time.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:51:14

Am I correct in understanding that we met the businesses halfway for a period? We did,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:51:19

we ended up covering the trash service for a number of months.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:51:25

While we were solving it. It might feel like its brand new but its not. We talked about it already.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:51:32

Yeah, I understand we talked about it. Anyway,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:51:37

so we can bring that back and we will distribute the memo. It's critically important that this gets approved tonight so we can get it on the tax roll for next year. We have one opportunity a year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:51:50

Go ahead. I think the issue that has been addressed, correct me if I'm wrong everybody but The adjustment to the assessment does not really impact what we're talking about here The trash collection issue is outside of what we're doing, and so we can still address that. And- I think to

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:52:15

your point, we need to move this

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:52:18

forward. We might revisit it. When I had this conversation with the property owners out there, my commitment to them was, I'm going to dive deep into this this year and see if we can somehow give a smidge of an offset. You know and but we have to we also don't have an escalator in this So we want to be very careful that it covers the assessment covers the cost of maintaining what we need it to maintain Without going out to a prop 218 vote to the to the property owners and saying hey We need to put an escalator which most of them do most of these special districts Do you have an escalator? It keeps pace with inflation. This one does not and nor does one or three

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:52:57

Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:52:58

so right

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:53:00

Understood. Yes, so we will move forward with these three tonight is the proposal and then we'll address the other issues separately Okay,

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.691:53:08

I mean, I think we're always open to hear from our business owners about ways that we can support Motion from anyone

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role1:53:19

I'm happy, I'm entertaining motion one two and three. We've conducted the public hearing adopt the resolution and then direct staff to transmit the necessary documents to the county. Is that sufficient? Mm-hmm okay. I'll second. Thank you any more discussion?

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion one two and three. We've conducted the public hearing adopt the resolution and then direct staff to transmit the necessary documents · 1 under review
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Okay roll call please. Councilmember Lange? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem May? Yes Mayor Gilman? Yes Council Member Ruhl? Yes Council Member Whitman?

All right, let's take a five minute break and we'll come back and get on number 10. Ready, ready? Check. 1-2, 1- 2. What's this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:03:34

No worries!

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:04:14

Okay I think we're ready. Are we on? Yes, okay wonderful so we'll move on to item number 10 adoption of resolution calling for and giving notice of the City of Ojai's general municipal election on November 3rd 2026

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.732:04:30

Yes, thank you Mayor. Thank you Honorable Mayor and City Council as your Chief Deputy City Clerk in tandem with our elected city clerk Steve Quillacy we are labeled as your elections official elections officials as defined by the California Elections Code so we have a pretty technical report in nature but this is everything that we need to approve and submit to the County of Ventura to consolidate our election services So we're asking you to review and adopt three resolutions.

One is calling the election, one is requesting consolidation services from the Ventura County Elections Division through the Board of Supervisors, and the third is regulations on candidate statements And a part of that, although the no action was taken by council recently there was healthy discussion. We do have to identify the seats specifically so up on the November 3rd 2026 general election for the city of Ojai we have the mayor, the two-year term for mayor and the four year terms for each Council District 1 2 & 3 Ms. Burgess and I are here to answer questions, and I would just like to say that we do always thank Michelle Asencioan, the elected clerk for the County of Ventura in her elections division, and the Board of Supervisors who take on the big task of running our elections for us, and we're very happy.

Last note here is Mr. Quillacy and I, along with our admin staff, Bridget Mara, we attended the elections kickoff meeting at the county And Mr. Quilici and I are ready to undertake the nomination process, so everything after this adoption tonight will allow us to conduct the nomination period which begins on July 13th and runs through August 7th as defined by the elections code. And Mr Quilici and I are prepared and ready to meet with any respective candidates and answer all questions.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:06:28

Great. Any questions? I have no public comments on this, anybody online?

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.732:06:37

No raised hands.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:06:40

It was very clear.

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.732:06:41

All right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:06:44

So I guess I have a question that's only very tangentially related but I've always been curious why we have kind of an unbalanced situation where we have three Every two years, and then we only have one up the

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:07:07

other year. That's because we have the mayor be two times in our election cycle instead of staying at four. It would rotate three and two the way the council used to do it. Is that what you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:07:18

mean? Yeah. Well I know so I think it was an unintended consequence. I'm not sure that it makes a difference that it is the way it is but

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:07:33

It

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:07:36

seems like an anomaly to me.

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:07:38

If I may, there are some options under the law to rebalance that if that's something the council would like to consider and if that's something that's of interest for the council we could bring that back as a future agenda item. Bring more information about what that looks like. Yeah, I don't know if you want to make changes. You know, I don't know that I want to either

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:08:00

but

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:08:02

we can provide the

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:08:03

information. OK, that'd be good even the last time that a mayor two year term went to the vote again with this anomaly or problem in mind. The thinking was let's get it back on track and it got voted to have its day of two years. So there's two votes to have the mayor. Anyway. Cool, well we have a motion then to approve.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:08:27

I make a motion to approve.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:08:28

All right adopt resolutions A B and C. Yep. Second that?

Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 motion to approve. All right adopt resolutions A B and C. Yep. Second that? Roll call. · 1 under review
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Roll call. Yes please thanks. Mayor Pro Tem Meng. Yes. Mayor Gilman. Yes Council Member Whitman. Yes. Council Member Ruhl. Yep Council Member Lange. Yes
ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.732:08:43

Motion passed.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:08:44

Wonderful on to item number 11 consider appeal of Planning Commission denial of 242 East Ojai Avenue Ojai Mountain Farm Restaurant

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.572:08:54

Mayor, I'm going to ask the city attorney to please help me with this item.

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:09:02

All right, so this item under your municipal code in section 10-2.3002 a process is established for appeals of decisions from the either planning or community development department staff or the Planning Commission related to decisions made under the city's zoning code and Under those provisions, there are effectively a few different ways that an appeal of a Planning Commission decision may be heard. One of those is if an appeal is brought by an appellant, an appeal can be brought by other interested persons or there's also a process provided for appeals that may be brought by the City Council. And so under that process, it's effectively a three-step process where the first part of the process is that a member of council requests an opportunity to discuss a decision rendered by either community development department staff, the community development department director or the planning commission.

In having that discussion, Council may decide whether to appeal any determination rendered by any of those individuals or by the Planning Commission. If Council wishes to appeal it must be approved by an affirmative vote of a majority in the Council and what this effectively means is that Council is appealing the decision of the Planning Commission. If council approves moving forward with an appeal by a majority vote, then the matter gets set for a public hearing at a future City Council meeting. And so the reason I'm making these remarks at the beginning of this discussion is that the item on the agenda tonight is a follow-on from a request by a member of council to bring an item forward at the last council meeting This is not an item to discuss the merits of the application that was considered by the Planning Commission.

That would be the subject of a public hearing if the Council decides to proceed with the appeal. So, the purpose of tonight's discussion is exclusively to decide whether or not the Council will appeal the decision of the Planning Commission. With that, I'm happy to answer any questions but I also just wanted to make it very clear what this item is and what it's not because if council decides to proceed with a public hearing on an appeal, that will be a quasi-judicial hearing subject to the city's quasi-judicial hearing procedures and for which the applicant for this project will have certain due process rights.

So by getting into a discussion in the merits tonight when we haven't had a notice public hearing, we run the risk of depriving the applicant of those due process rights. So I'm happy to take any questions. Otherwise, we can move into public comment and council discussion.

2:12 – 2:1717 turns

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:12:05

Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:12:07

If we decide the Council votes not to appeal, what are the consequences of that or what are the ramifications of that?

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:12:22

So if Council does not move forward with the appeal, effectively the decision of the Planning Commission would stand. The Planning Commission's decision on this item was considered at the Planning Commission meeting I believe on May 20th? And so under the municipal code, an appeal of a planning commission decision must be requested within 15 days after the decision that was made on appeal. So the period for appeal or for filing an appeal by the applicant would have expired.

So if council does not take this up on appeal then the Planning Commission decision would be deemed final.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:13:07

Other questions? Yeah.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:13:09

This is a more broad question and I don't want to belabor anything but when we, my question is very direct, we will be acting as a quasi-judicial body, the planning commission is a quasi judicial body We had an administrative appeal where we also had to act as a quasi-judicial body. So regardless of anything that comes to us on appeal, whether it be an administrative decision or it is a quasi judicial decision from a commission that is quasi-judicial in nature, our Our process is always

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:13:50

quasi-judicial. Is that correct? That is correct, but the one kind of clarification I would make here is that the appeal process for appeals under the zoning code differs a bit from the appeal process. You've heard a few different appeals in recent months. Right exactly and so one of those was brought under title 1 of your municipal code which outlines I'm going to go ahead and open it up for questions.

For appeals of decisions that are made under the zoning code, we have this kind of specific appeal process for how the appeals get filed. And so under each of those provisions, the process is a little bit different.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:14:46

But us acting as a quasi-judicial body remains the

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:14:49

same for any of them? That remains the same. Okay,

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:14:51

thank you. I was just curious.

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:14:52

But the process for a council appeal under Title 1 is a little bit different than the process for a council appeal under Title 10. Great, thank you.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:15:01

More questions? Yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:15:02

I'm just curious, Andy, like what is your goal or what was the reason for you bringing this? What did you hope to accomplish?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:15:10

That seems like the discussion which I'm happy to have but maybe we'll wait a moment, but I'm happy to answer that now. And

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:15:16

then the other thing, I'm concerned because we spoke about this briefly today, if any of us were to say anything when the tables turn or if they come back to us could it silence us for anything we say today?

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:15:30

So there is a requirement when you're talking about quasi-judicial matters for purposes of due process, and just in general with respect to council acting as a quasi-judicial body. There's an expectation that council will act in an unbiased fashion. And so part of the reason we wait for the substantive discussion on the item is because we want to wait until You know, all of the presentations have been made to the Council on the substantive aspects of the application and until the applicant has had an opportunity to present their case in defense of their application. And then, you know, Council will deliberate and consider all of that information at the same time.

So I would highly recommend, and it's an unusual circumstance where you have this kind of three-part process. But because we have the three part process identified in the code my recommendation is that we avoid the substantive discussion of the application and hold that for public hearing if there are three votes to move forward with the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:16:43

appeal. And then does voting yes or no constitute a substantive communication?

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:16:56

In my opinion it does not otherwise the code would not contemplate the ability of or the requirement for a vote

2:17 – 2:2334 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:17:07

Okay, so I do have a couple other questions. You mentioned that the consequence of not appealing is that within two weeks of the decision it would become final but does the applicant still have the right to I mean, I'm guessing he couldn't come back with the exact same conditional use permit application. But he could come back with an amended one. Correct?

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:17:45

I believe that's correct under the code.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:17:47

His rights aren't severed by the denial of the conditional use permit that he did bring

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:17:55

There may be some time, I would have to review the specific provisions in your code related to denials of permits by the planning commission. Some codes include a requirement that the exact same application can't be resubmitted within a certain period of time but there are generally opportunities for amended or revised applications that address the issues identified and the planning commissions or review authorities' findings, if those were addressed in an amended application it could come back to the Planning

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:18:30

Commission. And if I understand correctly the status quo is that the applicant is conducting business, he's using the space that is subject of the conditional use permit?

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:18:52

I do not know whether the, so there are two aspects of the application that require a conditional use permit. One aspect of the conditional use permit is for a freezer. And the other aspect of the Conditional Use Permit is for an expansion, or an amendment to an existing Conditional Use Permit that allows for an expanded outdoor dining area. And so it is my understanding that the freezer is currently being used. I do not know if the expanded outdoor dining area is being used.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:19:35

I

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:19:35

guess.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:19:36

I don't know the answer either, but there's

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:19:38

and we can we could look that would be something that could be brought forward as part of the public hearing if one is scheduled by the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:19:44

council.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:19:45

Yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:19:46

There's been no dining.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:19:47

No, and I walked around again today just to

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:19:53

Know

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:19:55

it's open during the week. Yeah. Yeah inside in the front

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:20:00

Any other questions before we open it up for public comment

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:20:04

Okay. No, so this is really clear This is this is only to decide if we are going to hear the appeal

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:20:13

Whether council is going to appeal

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:20:14

right

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:20:15

to

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:20:16

hear the appeal

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:20:18

Council will appeal to hear the appeal.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:20:20

I just want to make sure

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:20:21

that's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:20:22

all it is for tonight, what we're dealing with. So we're not talking about the merits of the project or how we feel about the project? We're just talking about whether

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:20:30

or not we should deliberate on this matter

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:20:33

at a future time

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:20:34

and date. All

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:20:38

right. I have three cards Mr. Larry Steingold Bill Wyrick and then Craig Walker

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:20:50

So to be perfectly clear, we can't talk about the specifics.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:20:54

You can talk about anything you want and public comment may make me

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:20:59

members of the public. No, you can. It's fine. You're not bound. Why? I mean, the optics of trying to get this back, get this approved is not very good because to me it's you're trying to protect the staff because I think the phrase used during the trash at the arcade was, it was wrongly given. Okay, so it was wrongly given. How do you unwind it? How do you put a thread through this needle because let me tell ya, this is a real problem because if you approve it, if you go forward and it gets voted on to approve, it's like putting a stake in the heart of the arcade because then it really becomes a slippery slope and a slippery slope is based on inclined percentage Friction and time.

Well, by approving a precedent friction is now removed. And now anybody can go in and say, well you gave me this. You gave me that. And to privatize public land is wrong in the first place. Give them a lease. That's not a big deal. Afraid of a lawsuit? I don't blame everybody. I really don't want a lawsuit. It's my money. It takes away from the roads. It takes away from climate. It takes away from everything.

So this thing is a mess because you don't want to be tarred and feathered as being part of destroying the arcade. If you vote to approve it, you become part of that. If you disapprove it we end up in a lawsuit because it was wrongly given he spent the money now what do you do? He also didn't help himself because in planning he didn't, they said you know nothing changed. The eight foot fence inside the drip line God forbid you should build in a drip line in this town okay? They'll tar and feather you right so you don't do that that's part of the tree ordinance The eight-foot fence. Nobody's allowed an eight-foot fence, we've all got six-foot fences. So there's that just on the face of it. The freezer? I'm sorry, it's there. Can you brick it up, make it look part of the arcade if that works?

I don't know but this is going to get really expensive and really bad for everybody if you can't figure this out because this is just a mess. And then you have to post-mortem on the people who did it. Did somebody direct somebody to do it or did they do it on their own? Okay, and that seems to be part of the problem as far as I'm concerned. So I hope you can figure this out really quick without causing a ripple.

Please, thank you.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:23:46

Thank you Mr. Steingold. Bill Ryrick please.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:23:56

You know, it's not appropriate to blame the applicant for this situation. Let's just step back a little bit. We have a problem with process integrity, and we still need to be fair to the applicant. CEQA is very clear as well as best practices in the planning profession, piecemealing causes problems. This is a problem because of piecemealing. I have eight sites here in case law not just best practices and planning profession that you should not piecemeal. This project got piecemealed, and that's why you're facing this problem.

To give one example from one case law, impermissible piecemeal review occurs when a large project is chopped into many little ones. Each with the minimal potential impact on the environment are requiring only a ministerial permit which cumulatively may have significant consequences. I have several more sites. So what to do? I feel for you in this situation.

First of all, I would suggest that we have a general problem with creeping privatization of the common area. I don't agree with using CUP when we initially looked at this, we were looking at leases because that doesn't establish a perpetual property right over common area. So I don' t understand why we keep talking about CUP when we could have leases for use if we want to provide that.

I would suggest that you not vote for this appeal, but do direct some way of coming up with a fair solution to the applicant. I personally don't agree with having a walk-in cooler outside the original lease building footprint But, you know that would be a matter of that I would think that you could constructively come to an agreement with without establishing a poor precedent by going with an appeal of the Planning Commission final decision which is by the way been discussed a couple of times by the Planning Commission. Also they are dining outside I've been there a couple times. Oh, I saw the owner and the owner said oh I have a permit to get to dine outside just not to use the walk-in killer so they are dining outside right now all right?

So anyway I'm just and he says yeah everybody's been walking by and saying that you can't dine outside and I said yeah I know you're in a problem and I feel for you I feel for the whole situation So, please just try to find a way to settle this without digging the hole deeper. Find a way to maybe with a lease situation preserve integrity of process while being fair to the applicant. Thank you.

Thank you

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:26:34

Mr. Weirich. Craig Walker please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:26:44

Good evening. Craig Walker, I'm speaking against the council appealing this decision. Both the Historic Preservation Commission and the Planning Commission oppose this project because of the harm it would do to the city. The project impacts a historic building that is more than 120 years old. It transforms a peaceful public plaza into a service area with loud refrigeration equipment, fencing, duct work and other alterations that diminish the character of one of Ojai's most important public spaces.

It changes an open welcoming courtyard into a more enclosed commercial space, obstructs walkways and views through the plaza, and places an eight-foot fence around a tree that has long served as a natural canopy. These changes will go with the store's deed even though they are located on public property. Dozens of residents have voiced their opposition. The questions before you are simple, on what basis would you overturn the decisions of your own commissions?

Why is the council bringing this appeal and not the applicant? The Historic Preservation Commission did its best to review the project in spite of there being no initial study to review. The Planning Commission then reviewed it thoroughly. In fact, the project was sent through the process twice and both bodies reached the same conclusion. If the intent was not to respect their findings why then were they asked to review it at all?

What concerns me most is not simply this project, but the process that led us here. Too often CEQA exemptions are granted before potential impacts are adequately examined. In this case the project was piecemealed and treated as exempt from the beginning. Neither commission learned of it until months after approvals had been granted and alterations had already occurred.

CEQA requires historic review first, then looking at possible exemptions later. When projects are approved first and reviewed later, everyone pays the price—the applicant, the city, and most of all the citizens of Ojai who rely on their government to protect Ojai's environment and historic resources. The Council's focus today should not be on legitimizing a mistake. It should be on understanding how this happened and ensuring it does not happen again. Approving the project by overruling your commissions will not solve the underlying problem It will establish a precedent that environmental review and historical preservation requirements can be bypassed and pushed through later on appeal.

The city has already dug a hole in its approval process, but an appeal by the council will only dig that hole deeper. Thank you very much.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:29:43

Thank you, Mr. Walker.

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.732:29:45

One comment on zoom. OK, we have Mr. Miley.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:29:48

OK.

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.732:29:49

Go ahead, Mr Miley of the floor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:29:53

Okay, I am very confused by this administrative write-up. It goes against all I know about the appeals process. It also lacks key information on what the Planning Commission listed as their reasons for denying. It does not even include their conclusion and their vote. What's going on here? There is no applicant appealing this denial. As I read the report, the applicant had a choice. They decided not to appeal.

So why is the mayor appealing this? Is he advocating for the applicant? Does he want the refrigerator there? What are his reasons? He should have spoken as a citizen at the Planning Commission meeting If he wanted to make an impact. This administrative report is very weak in logic, lack of facts, inappropriate protocol and confusing as hell. Unless the applicant appeals I see no reason for this to be on the agenda.

Both the Historical Preservation Commission and the Planning Commission questioned its elements, wanted more study and planning said no. Please vote no. Thank you.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:31:30

Thanks Mr. Miley.

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.732:31:31

One more raised hand for Steve Quillacy. Hi Steve, you have the floor. Steve if you can hear us? You have the ability to unmute and it's your turn Give you one more try. You have the ability to unmute and we'll have to move on, okay?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:31:57

I can say very easily it's not has nothing to do with the project or me wanting anything. It has to do with as I read in the staff report and also in the HPC and the the Planning Commission reports and being there. The language like on page 141, this is just one instance and there are several here where it says in those second two paragraphs In the middle, staff found the revised proposal consistent with the arcade Plaza design guidelines and then in the second paragraph. Staff however determined that because the proposed environments do not alter their contributing historic structure itself no further environmental review is necessary it's simply this not wanting to really overturn anything but it's rare that we see that kind of difference of interpretation.

So it seems to me we're in the position then, to be the arbiters of that difference. It's that simple. We may come to exactly the same conclusion and that would be perfectly fine or some other solution but it's really just that so I think this is the body that would look at those strongly differences of views and try to come with a determination

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:33:05

Quick question. Yeah, did you know that information when you made? No, no,

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:33:12

it was there even when When the staff reports went to planning and also see it was clearly there that they said That's why they moved it for but again, I mean we've all seen a lot of commissions go and sometimes Commissions do offer things at the council differs and most of the time that's not true So it does seem to me More investigation is warranted to try

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ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:33:41

We can't deliberate now. I think that if you want to do a post-mortem, the only way to do a post-mortem is to do deliberative process. This is open to us. It's part of the process so it's not outside the process and I think that there's a lot of things I would like to speak to that I'm not able to speak to here and I would like the opportunity to speak to them Not the least of which is I can't speak to it. Yeah, I mean I could but I'm not going to based on our city attorney you know so for me It's it's it's the ability to actually have the deliberative process with the council and for that reason I would bring it forward there is There's no good reason not to have the discussion with the council, in my opinion. I'll just say this, the commissions are advisory bodies so they are advisory bodies to advise us not to determine that we should follow them because that's what they said and we ask every commissioner that do you understand that you're an advisory body?

And we need to make really clear. So that's something also, as well as CEQA and many other things that I think are up for discussion and are up for me to learn more about. And so I would like the opportunity to learn more about it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:35:10

Yeah, I am feeling the same way. I think Mr. Weyrich was correct in that we have a complicated situation where we want Honor the findings of the Commission's and what's in the best interest of of the city? separate them at the end and also Assess the mistakes that were made in this process and see how we can How we can work with the owner and and come to some some kind of win-win situation And I think the only way that we can do that is by hearing the appeal.

And if I'm choosing to move forward with hearing the appeal, that does not say at all how I feel about the freezer or about the outdoor dining elements. It just says this deserves, this warrants more discussion.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:36:18

That

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:36:19

would be my position. So I've made many, many, many, many, many recommendations with the client about whether to appeal a decision. And I've written many, many, many appellate briefs And I know that this administrative decision doesn't track on that exactly. But the core of what you do when you say you want to appeal is you're saying that there was a abuse of decision making discretion and it needs to be corrected.

And so you ask somebody to go in and correct what happened And I don't, I don't perceive that there was something that was done that was incorrect. And I think what you know the majority of the council is suggesting is that we use the appeal as a guise to change the rules for an applicant and I also, I have concern that we would take the. Well, I don't want to say any more.

I would not support the idea of it. OK, let's

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:37:54

go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:37:55

ahead. So without going into the topic From the information that we have, there was a mistake. Not with the commissions but there were some miscommunications that happened and because of that I think it It would, I can't say anything else except that I do think that there were some errors that could be addressed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:38:40

And I guess my response to that would be that if there was something about the process that is Needs to be cured. That's potentially something that staff and the applicant work out and bring back to us as a solution. But. Is there anything you want to add?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:39:07

I have a lot, I would like to say. OK,

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:39:12

so then I will motion that we do appeal the Planning Commission's May 20th decision and bring it to this body. Is that the correct way to say it Ms Burgess? I don't think your microphone's on.

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.552:39:33

Correct, there would be a motion to proceed with a council appeal of the Planning Commission decision.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:39:39

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:39:41

I'll second it.

Roll-call vote Passed 3–1 motion to proceed with a council appeal of the Planning Commission decision. Okay. I'll second it. Okay roll call
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Okay roll call please. Yes Mayor. Councilmember Rule? Yes. Councilmember Whitman? Abstain. Mayor Pro Tem Mang? No. Mayor Gilman? Yes. Council Member Lange? Yes.

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:40:01

Okay, all right moving on 12 authorized to purchase one 2026 BMW police motorcycle

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.572:40:12

Thank You mayor at this point I'm gonna turn this over to our chief of police

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:40:16

okay A little PowerPoint presentation here for you Thanks There we go. All right, very good. Thank you. Good evening everyone. Requesting before you this evening is approval for purchase of one new motorcycle BMW to replace our current existing one. You have the staff report in front of you their admin report the quote and all that so I'll keep it brief what I want to focus on go through this quick PowerPoint Is operational purpose of the motor officer program, how it's currently being used within the community and the rationale behind replacing it.

This is not a request to expand the program or add any staffing. This is simply a request to sustain an existing public safety and community focused program that has truly become a regular operational resource for this community. I'm going to briefly walk through the programs purpose, community impact, operational benefits in the current condition then open up for questions.

All right. Purpose of the motor program, we're all aware that it was essentially launched in February of 2025. Deputy Burnett was selected chosen he's a fantastic choice extremely mature smart highly emotionally intelligent so he was the perfect person to roll this project out and kind of tested maybe test this program here back in Ojai. The vision was increased community safety. Traffic safety is a big issue in this community, but also community engagement's a very big thing for the e-bike safety, things like that. So as this thing was launched and rolled out it was rolled out very smartly in my opinion more heavy on the education component side.

So we're about 16 months into that program and we're probably about 60, 40. Now 60% of the people being stopped are probably given warnings, breaks, education. 40% of those folks are probably getting cites. I'm to the point now I feel comfortable with a community enough contacts have been made. Multiple people have been stopped multiple times things like that community members they're comfortable things now so I'm kind of want to increase that maybe 50-50 enforcement education.

But with the motorcycle you get the high visibility presence accessible. The community engagement is fantastic with it I can't speak enough on that how many contacts he makes? And ultimately the goal is to save lives and truly is All right, as we go through this deputy Burnett's made approximately 1600 contacts movers This is a year period we evaluate if over the year April April 350 plus citations, but the best part of this program is we truly have a force multiplier with the motor officer. We have a one man traffic unit essentially up in Ojai which is fantastic and it allows us to focus in a timely manner community complaints.

And we're hearing those daily from emails from council members, from city staff, from people I talk to out in the community. Sometimes within minutes I can task Deputy Burnett with a problem and send him to a neighborhood and start focusing on things. The school zone visibility has been fantastic and obviously the e-bike education is kind of at the forefront everywhere nationally right now. It's an issue everywhere but he's been fantastic in that with outreach, talking to kids, supplements DUI saturation patrol. He was going to be here this evening to answer questions and kind just be present but he actually made a solid DUI arrest late yeah so he was down at booking and booking someone on our DUI arrest so hopefully we saved your life tonight.

The rapid response is incredible, like I mentioned. And then the downtown visibility and especially the maneuverability on the bike path is second to none. All right so the current status that's why we're here requesting this as this thing was initially rolled out a smart decision was made to kind of test the water so they bought a used motorcycle as everyone's aware The truth be told when that was purchased from Thousand Oaks PD, that bike was pretty much at the end of its life. So by the definition and by the standards you know a bigger station out in Thousand Oaks they wouldn't have that bike in normal cycle. That thing would be miled out and probably sold at auction or what-have-you So we're at 11 years old right now has over 69,000 miles and it doesn't sound like a lot face value on a bike or if that was a car.

Right? But when you really compare it this is a patrol vehicle hard braking hard steering hard acceleration the motors on all day. You're looking at a car equivalent probably close to 200,000 miles. So things are just starting to kind of wear and tear and break on the bike right now. It's still a functional bike, it's still a safe bike, it's just not as functional as we need it to be for long-term operational capabilities, and it's not as safe for the rider in my opinion.

All right, so if not replaced that's kind of the big why. Can we live by another year? Perhaps but really this city is in a great place right now. The money has been set aside it's been allocated set aside and which allows us to be proactive in getting ahead of this thing If the council chooses to approve this, it's going to take 90-120 days to get this bike built out.

So we can be proactive, get ahead of it while the bike is still serviceable and running at a decent clip here right now. The maintenance is very expensive. I mean, we paid, the city paid approximately $10,500 to purchase a bike and about a year in service now, the maintenance has equaled the purchase cost. We're about a little over $10 thousand as you can read in the report.

It's harder to find original equipment manufacturer parts on these bikes. They're phasing them out. They're building new bikes so things are just more expensive and things are breaking quicker. What I fear is that the potential disruption, and this is where the proactive comes into play, is if we wait and prolong this. And the bike has a catastrophic failure where that bike completely goes down.

Now we might not have the money set aside to city. And also by the time we take time to order that thing, get it built, get the specs, we're probably looking at five, six months. So potentially without a motorcycle in the city for five or six months And I don't believe that's a good decision. That's why we're requesting the purchase, you know of a new bike All right operational and fiscal considerations so financial impact there's no additional general fund appropriation required It's already fully funded the money set aside within within the existing budget its aging equipment and the increasing maintenance in downtime It's going to sustain a really solid program, no staffing increase in the community benefit. And I just want to give two examples.

I obviously didn't plan on speaking about this but I feel it's relevant and it's hard with you're talking about traffic and tickets and things like that and arrests and law enforcement is very statistic heavy. But you really can't put a metric on this last Friday Deputy Burnett was patrolling on Ojai Avenue. And just the very nature of being on the bike. You can hear things better, see things better. You can smell your senses are fired up!

He had a weird feeling about a car that was kind of encroaching traffic near the arcade there in front of Ojai Avenue. And he was able to kind of get around and from the bike's perspective, he was able to see a little six-year-old girl in the middle of traffic on Ojai Avenue just standing there. All right? So he's able to cruise up, get to her, save her, get her to the side of the road.

It is a very heartbreaking thing but ultimately this investigation kind of unpacked The child was living in a very, very rough circumstance. She was not healthy. She was not being cared for. So I don't want to speak too much because it's an active case still, active investigation but ultimately the child had to go to CPS. But the one positive thing is I can maybe say that patrol deputy might have seen that child.

But what if, right? And so I look at it. That's a win for us and that's something you can't put on paper. It's not a statistic but hopefully it's a bright spot for that young child and she's gonna hopefully live a better life and get the life she deserves. Organically enough later that afternoon there was another call with a missing at-risk juvenile who was having mental health breakdown The parents were extremely concerned, called. They were trying to get her into a care home and get her treatment. She took off ran away and she was having a breakdown. The parents are freaking out justifiably so they couldn't find their daughter.

Well Burnett was able to cruise down Deputy Burnett on the bike path and find her very quickly and essentially rescue her calm her down and get her the help she needed. So that's just two things in there's countless examples I can give you obviously want to keep this presentation brief But the impact with this motorcycle, it goes far and above just traffic stops.

So I think it's a solid investment. It's an investment on the community. And I appreciate you all and thank you for your time. And if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer. Thank you team.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:48:58

Any questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:49:00

I just have a comment. Nothing against you or your motorcycle, I just want to bring this up because I remember when we were purchasing a motorcycle and the discussion was that yes it's used but because of the staff that did the investigating of the motorcycle to make sure it was sound and all of that stuff And you know, so that's why we went ahead and purchased a used bike. In the same, you know it just I go to that spending that money on something that was it? We were talked into something that maybe wasn't a wise investment at the time and the same thing You don't like with the trolleys So it's just it's like seems like a pattern to me and it's you know It's money it wasn't a lot of money for that first bike would you say like $10,000 but it's still that we were told that it was you know it was good in all of that and you're saying Thousand Oaks it was the end of its life cycle I just had to say it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:49:52

Go ahead. I have a question. I don't know, I've never heard of this but are there EV I'm sorry.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:50:24

Best warranty, which is huge and that's why there's an extended warranty included with this purchase price. It really is the best of the best right now. There's a lot of safety features, model safety with lighting features. It's just top notch. The e-bikes, some of them electric motorcycles, some of them are very good. A lot of those are very similar in price but ultimately right now the battery life and the durability, the range it's just not there.

I can't bank in good faith for the community or for my deputy is going to an emergency call, or it's a life endangered call, lifesaving call and his battery runs out. And that's been known to happen. It depends they'll tell you can get 150 to 200 miles on a battery on some of these bikes. We've called around, we've talked to people. That's not so much the case because it depends on good driving habits, acceleration, braking, turning, wind elements.

So the mileage, the range really is not there and the other thing I've heard they're not as robust and just tough you know just durable as as the BMW motorcycles are Truthfully, I think your 5-10 years down the road they're going to be probably on par and probably just as good and just as durable. But right now really in my opinion they're not where they need to be for a patrol bike day in and day out.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:51:39

So on a typical patrol day how many miles?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:51:44

He's probably over I would say over a hundred miles probably and he so the motor officers They're allowed to commute from their home. They take the bikes home Keep them clean service them park him in the garage keep him safe So they're putting he's probably putting over 100 miles on that and he's working at 410 So he's working at least minimum 40 hours a week that bikes on all day 10 hours city driving hard driving So, you know in the BMWs are just tried-and-true. The motors are fantastic in them

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:52:11

What would you say for Ojai would be the lifespan?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:52:14

I would say at least seven years, eight years. Yeah and i think we're ultimately going to run out that warranty and that's the goal um and that's the really good part especially with Long Beach BMW they have a really solid reputation they work exclusively with CHP they're just kind of Johnny on the spot they're very good and the warranty you know everything is covered all the major components just normal wear and tear like replacing tires things like that but everything else is going to be covered so it's really a good investment in my opinion

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:52:43

Any other comments, questions? Okay. I have no public comment cards on this item.

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.732:52:51

We have one raised hand from Renee. Renee you have the ability to unmute and you may

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:52:56

speak. Good evening Council. I remember when this item first came up And I remember this was going to be a trial program. It wasn't going to be a permanent staffing position that was added to our public safety budget forever, and it sounds like we kind of missed that discussion and were now into having a permanent safety position in the budget And a permanent safety vehicle added to the fleet that our officers use. So this seems to me to be a little bit of scope creep.

In fact, major scope creep. It might be worthy of really saying is this something the city wants to continue and what is the cost long term including the vehicle for the officer and the vehicle? And what's the return on the investment? What are the benefits received? Is this something we need and want to do forever? I could see the officers wanting and advocating for this position to be forever, but i'm just wondering if this is the highest and best use of our public safety dollars.

I also remember we were going to share this position possibly with Ventura County there was a the option of having Ventura County absorb Part of the cost of this police officer if we decided we didn't want to have a full-time officer so I kind of feel like we're Putting the cart before the horse on this and it might just be good to go back and revisit those conversations and Really, you know say yes good job. Well done I think the e-bike thing has been educated and drivers have been educated But is this something we need to do full time? And what is the cost full time? I don't think we're seeing the full picture Thank you

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:55:11

Thank You miss Roth tomorrow, okay Yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:55:16

I had the similar concerns as Ms. Roth expressed, because I was not in favor of having the motorcycle cop as a large budget item in general. I have to say tonight hearing about the six-year-old girl—I don't know you know how to get to my heart strokes! Like oh we have to keep the motorcycle cop! And, you know, I think the bigger question is still looming in my mind of, you know, is this really the best use of our resources?

That said. If we are, since we do still have this in the budget. We still have plans to keep our motorcycle cop here. He needs to have a or she at some point needs to have Would I be correct in saying that we could sell it if we decide next year that this is something that we could resell or if we didn't use it again? Sure,

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:56:22

so it would

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.572:56:24

be a two-part step. In the budget you just heard, we have included as you saw on the slide the funding to continue a motorcycle officer. If you decided you didn't want to do that, you can remove that from your budget and you can sell the asset. One important thing that was not discussed tonight, which I need to bring up to you That has been a change since last year's. You've now brought on a new hotel It's been fully occupied in the downtown that is at a significant impact on Flow and traffic and so forth And it's really beneficial for us having somebody dedicated to traffic because without the motorcycle cycle officer You don't have anybody dedicated to trap Officers respond to calls for service. And yes, you know we try sometimes to stage them to do traffic related things but as soon as they get a call they're gone because it's life and safety first so that's the nice thing about having the motorcycle officer doesn't mean that in a big emergency he isn't called away too but most of time he's dedicated to just doing traffic which is huge In this year, I think we've kind of forgotten.

It was quite ridiculous for a while there with the e-bikes. I mean, I recall many times downtown wheelies all the way down Ojai Avenue nothing to stop kids and I don't see that anymore. Yes, there's some enforcement still needed it's an ongoing process but if you stop the program It's going to go right back the way it was.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:57:48

Right, right. And I acknowledge that it has been that he has done a great job.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.572:57:53

That's good

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:57:54

to know that he that I've heard positive feedback from him. So

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.572:57:57

you know, we this was kind of a wrap up of the year, but we can come back and give you more information. We can my big fear is that we've made a lot of forward progress. And if we stop, we're going to slide

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.732:58:10

backwards. Mayor, mayor? Yes, we received a comment card from Mr. Stangl. If you'd like to. Is it necessary?

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.692:58:19

As a citizen, not as a commissioner. The question is has the motorcycle officer been effective? And as Mr. Harvey talks about.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:58:37

All right, it will go back because we're still seeing kids on bikes. The two officers in town are not doing traffic stops really all right and I think him wandering around the city on top of what the accident that happened at the Y when he was out you know it's important that we have them for the time being and we can sell the bike I mean, so I would continue with it for the sake of peace of mind right now until parents actually take action on their. Thank you.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role2:59:20

So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:59:21

again, yeah, sorry but not at all. You're good. I think that the chief Abbott illustrated some of the versatility That the motorcycle officer has that a that a unit doesn't not just availability but maneuverability I The ebike issue Has not been conquered I I perceive that it's better, but I also perceive that there is a serious issue. Safety for those kids and safety for the rest of the community I think it's really important that we continue to have the ability, you know, to address that and the motorcycle officer really gives us a great ability to do that.

I'd love to see us go to an e-bike when they're able to match their performance This motorcycle, including maybe selling this one before it's useful life if the model comes up. I'll take the chiefs word that it's not quite there yet for the versatility and go with a more functional bike that I think we should look at reducing emissions where we can. And I'm gonna support.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:01:07

Expenditure this the current bike can be sold. I presume as well

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed3:01:12

it could yes, the city owns the bike Yeah, that's a city asset

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:01:16

But I'm just wondering like that. So if we kept it, if the bike had to go in for maintenance or whatever then the one that he's currently using could be the backup so it wouldn't be

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed3:01:26

out? The plan is to keep it as a backup yes. Good thinking. And you know and I kind of didn't explain that very well but yeah absolutely would be a backup. We can also use it to bring in an additional motor trained deputy for parades events. So in theory we could have two bikes at a moment's notice. It gives a lot flexibility and redundancy.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:01:46

Secretly I thought about buying the bike just like a minute ago, but oh well. Sorry! I can buy another

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:01:54

bike. No you want those sirens. Well okay. You know I support it. I could just call him Patrolman Eric. I think he's awesome, I see him all over the place. I have seen a marked improvement with kids and e-bikes they're wearing helmets there still two or three to a bike sometimes but I see them as being more cautious and I don't know if it's just peer pressure but it's made a difference I mean you know they kind of hang out in my area I think I think Eric's been great including the times he's pulled me over That's unbiased. Just saying. I appreciate it, yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed3:02:37

He is

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:02:37

amazing. And I see him at the park talking to people. You know, I see his bike parked there and you know he's doing outreach. He's talking to parents, he's talking to kids and I was not aware of the situation where he's helped these children and that's awesome That's really great and I would not have known that and I would not have thought about that sort of versatility. So, I wanted, I supported him, I supported the patrol officer a year ago and I continue to support him and I think we need to give him, you know, we need to give that role the proper equipment so I support this expenditure.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:03:18

Would you be willing to make a motion?

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:03:20

Uh, sure. I'll make a motion that we authorize the purchase of one new 2026 BMW police motorcycle for an operational need.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:03:32

I'll second it. Wonderful. All right. Roll call please.

Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 motion that we authorize the purchase of one new 2026 BMW police motorcycle for an operational need. I'll second it. Wonderful. All right. R · 2 under review
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Yes Mayor. Council Member Lange? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Mang? Yes. Mayor Gilman? Yes Council Member Whitman?

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ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:03:50

Sometimes I just don't wear my seat belt. He's looked at me and my seat belt is not on. And he's like, come on over let's have a talk.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:04:07

Is that a disrespectful term? I need to be schooled if so. All right, moving on

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:04:10

to item 14, award

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:04:11

maintenance

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:04:12

agreement for janitorial services. Yes Mayor this item

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:04:14

is coming before you tonight brought back at council request

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:04:34

This will be co-presented by Ms. Palmer and Ms. Holman.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:04:46

Yeah, so the as Ben mentioned we brought this back So the recommendation tonight is to one of two things to part Execute authorized been to sign this agreement. This is a three-year Agreement for Kelly's cleaning. We went out to bid our RFP for this and we'd like to go out for a three year term so we don't have to go out every single year and with and then authorize Ben to execute future amendments to one-year extension so the total term could potentially be five years.

Direct staff to appropriate funding for two full-time maintenance employees There was some question about the analysis of whether we do something in house or we contract it out So we have that's why Kathy is sitting here with me tonight because she has done an analysis on what the staffing would be What kind of staffing would be required for something like this? Thanks,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed3:05:43

are we on now yeah With in-house staffing, things to be considerate of is that you need coverage. One person isn't enough because we have unanticipated absences, planned absences. You also need safety because all this work happens after hours at night or very early hours in the morning. So to fund Two positions, it's about $110,000 fully loaded for a full-time maintenance worker. So times that by two you also have the added expense of a vehicle so I would estimate a minimum of $50,000 for that plus all the related equipment that we don't currently have set up It sounds miscellaneous, but once you start putting it all together, it adds up over time. You need vacuums, steam cleaners, buckets, mops—you have all this stuff that we don't currently have.

In addition there's a challenge of supervising the staff. Having after-hour staff out there without supervision, there is a risk. I'm not saying that anybody's going to do anything bad or negative. It's just typically in an employment model you have supervision on site. It can happen. I am not trying to say it can't happen. I am just saying there is a cost associated with it.

A benefit of going with the contract service is that this is their business and they may not need a full eight hours, a day to do what we're doing. So there's gonna be some learning curve for us as well in determining the number of hours that we actually need but we started with full time because typically that is what's gonna be needed too to be able to clean all the facilities daily.

I'm sorry, is there anything else you guys would like to?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:07:52

Your microphone's not on, I don't think.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:07:54

Thank you. The contract for a one-year term is $115,000 by going out to Kelly's Cleaning and they've been servicing our buildings and our facilities for as long as I've been here so a number of years. And so the figures that Kathy was throwing around it looks like it's about $270,000 and that's for the first year and then of course it would drop because we wouldn't have the $50,000 vehicle It's about twice as much to go with a cop with employees with staff time versus the contract in this particular case Some other contracts might be more suitable for you know, a more, you know comparison But but we have found that janitorial services in-house. It just doesn't it's not generally what happens for public agencies

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:08:43

Question how many Staff, are we getting from

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:08:50

Kelly? I don't know the number. I know what they're doing though. Well, I could

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:08:56

jump in.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:08:56

Okay, go ahead.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:08:57

So I've been here many times late at night and they're here and it's often... It's usually at least three but often up to five that are here when I've come in.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:09:10

So they're coming in for two hours or

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:09:14

I don't know how long they're here but I would, you know, come in here do some work and they're here the whole time and then I leave and they're still here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:09:20

Yeah it's definitely a team it's more than two I know that so

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:09:24

there's always at least three

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:09:25

yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:09:26

So maybe the other question would be so how many hours per day are we getting from Kelly in terms of janitorial service?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:09:34

You know, I don't know if we've quantified it per hour. What we're looking at is groups so they visit every one of our parks every single day before seven or at 7 a.m., and clean the toilets, clean the bathrooms, whatever. And they're here in all of our eight facilities every Friday after business closes. So we could look at the actual hours and see if they can quantify it that way for us. But we're looking at it more as sort of lump sum not hourly

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ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:10:05

And the other thing because we're on questions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:10:09

Yeah

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:10:10

never mind. OK well

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:10:12

so so my I guess my next question is so because I'm I'm interested in whether we need to full time staff people if the second person would simply be Picking up when the first one was on vacation or sick, or whatever. It seems like there would be other ways to accommodate that so that we had the one staff person.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:10:43

So we wouldn't envision if I could just jump in that one person is just on standby, they would be working together. But that way you couldn't have both of them on vacation or leave at the same time. When one was on leave the other would basically essentially being doing double duty for the time when that person is on leave. That's how it would have to work.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed3:11:04

The parks also get service seven days a week, every holiday. So we need to ban it seven days a week. It wouldn't be you know so just keep that in mind as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:11:19

The parks are touched every single day 365 days a year.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:11:25

Any other questions? I have no public comments on this.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:11:31

Yeah, I just wanted to say that the other thing is because I'm often at Sarzotti early in the morning and also at night after council meetings. I go there to decompress and there are crews there at night every night so what occurs to me as well is that these things happen at the same time Right, so things get cleaned at night at the same time. So you know they're not sequential something doesn't happen at you know 10 and midnight. Right exactly they all happen between 10 and midnight right? You know what I mean? And they happened between 6 and 730 in the morning.

No matter what park you're at, that's where it's going on and that's when it has to go on because you can't actually close down facilities. You can't close down the rec center because you want to clean it so To me, this actually makes perfect sense that this is the kind of situation where you would in fact contract it out because you need multiple people in multiple places at relatively the same time.

And I see them all the time at night and in the morning. The guy's there at 7 o'clock, different guy, and then there's a team there at night at Sarzotti cleaning everything. I don't see how an individual staff member could actually do that in that same way. Have it prepared and ready for opening, you know?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:13:13

I guess when I it's funny. It's in our warrants for today But when I look at the will Dan engineering on page 13, and I see all the code enforcement that actually seems more like a right Opportunity for an employee in my opinion than the janitorial services So I actually liked the idea of having employees over contractors when appropriate this doesn't seem like that but I don't want to give up that quest To if we see a lot of contracting services going out that we do look at an employee. I would suggest this one is the contract.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:13:44

Yeah, I agree. In theory, I agree. And

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:13:49

just jump in really quick. We're still scheduled to bring back a general item on not general specific item talking about contract versus in-house and detail in the city's major contracts. And then you can give us direction.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:14:00

OK?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:14:01

Super.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:14:03

So did

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:14:04

we have no cards or

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:14:07

no cards this is it okay Yeah, I guess Okay, so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:14:12

yeah, I'm I am I am concerned that if we are I If we're spending money that whenever we can, we spend it in Ojai so that there are local people who benefit directly from our employment of somebody. Whether that's as a contractor or whether that's as an employee and so I understand we're not at a position where we could easily hire an employee right now, but I want to be flexible enough that if we get the word out that potentially there's some Local person who wants to engage in this service. So having a three-year contract would make it problematic for the shift, so I mean if we've been doing one year contracts with Kelly, I'd be more in favor of extending it one year and making a bigger effort towards I don't need the person to be an employee.

I like the idea of employees, but if we're going to hire a contractor, I'd like to hire a local contractor. That's it. That's the end of my comment.

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ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:15:49

Microphone.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:15:50

We put it out there in the plan rooms and really get it out there, and we got one proposal. I mean, we would love to have local vendors submitting proposals, and we try as often as possible. In fact, we just had this conversation in the office last week. If we can buy local, if we can do things local, we would love to. Unfortunately, this was the process, and this is what it yielded.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:16:15

Their office is on Donlan, that's not Ojai. It's Ventura but

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:16:18

it's not Los Angeles. No it's not, it's not Simi Valley and it's not far but yes I totally appreciate that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:16:25

They have an office in Ventura. Yeah the address is on Donlan.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:16:31

I see them all the time, I kind of feel like they're local. I don't know, they're the same people cleaning our spaces. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:16:38

have a question about those one year versus three year. So if we do the three-year contract That keeps our rate lower for those three years or?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:16:49

We usually have a small escalator because we need to. CPI escalator on the out years, on the two and three years and it has to be requested they have to request it from us and we give them affirmation in writing So it just the reason we like to do these sorts of services three years, it really saves a lot of time. It takes some time to go out for an RFP staff time and putting it out there, putting together the proposal and all of that. So we just find that especially somebody who has been providing us a really good service.

So I'm not saying that's critical, but that's the reason we do it now

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:17:34

Well, it seems to me if we did want to proceed with the three years that it would be really good to get a really solid evaluation and possibly another RFP before extending two more.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:17:43

Totally yeah I mean and we could certainly do that you know just do the initial term and then go out in three years

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:17:54

And that's why I would prefer it if we did a one-year contract and made a little bit more concerted effort. I'm not doubting the effort

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:18:01

that you made on this, Lindy but I want local people to feel like they can get work here in Ojai. Because otherwise we do this thing where, you know, people drive into Ojai to do work and people drive out of Ojai to go somewhere else which is not great.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:18:39

So now if council were to decide to not go with the initial three term and go with a one term, the proposal was for three year terms so we would go back to the vendor I'm not exactly sure, and I would probably defer to Bethany because that would be sort of a legal question. I think that the original proposal was a three year term so that's what the price is based on.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:19:04

So I guess for this is for Bethany, you know at this point in this process can you put in a clause that allows either party to cancel it?

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.553:19:21

So we typically do build that into our agreements and I will just take a quick look to make sure before I state that it is. We do include a provision in section 4.2 of the contract that says the city may terminate the contract With or without cause at any time. There's also a right in this contract for the contractor to terminate upon 90 days prior written notice, so we could terminate if we didn't want to proceed with or continue with the services for the full three years.

We could also likely reach out to the vendor and determine whether there would be a price adjustment for reducing the term to one year And that would be something we could bring back, but.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:20:12

I'm

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.553:20:12

okay with

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:20:12

there being a cancellation clause as long as that's like a mandatory term it can't be negotiated out with the idea that we would look at and also be interested in suggesting a better term for them if they can employ Ojai residents

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:20:38

Or they may, yeah. They may also know Ojai residents and we may not be ready to... It may take longer than a year to get this all together right? So I would say keep the clause in that allows us and if we want to be absolutely transparent with the vendor which is also you know not an unreasonable thing to decide to be you know let him know that there's a policy um you know that we're thinking around a policy that we like to hire I'd like to

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GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.553:21:24

There are certain things you don't

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:21:25

exclude them from the contract but give them a

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.553:21:28

10%

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:21:28

increase

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.553:21:30

in their

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:21:30

price.

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.553:21:31

Yeah, there are some things that we can do That we would have to explore as a separate a separate issue But I but to the question or comment regarding You know making sure that it's binding that The form of contract that's included in the agenda packet has already been signed by the contractor So they've already agreed to the termination clauses

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:21:54

Well, it'd be interesting to find out they may have local people we never speaking as if we know something and we don't And it is a prevailing wage job. Yeah And if something emerged in other words in the course of your work If you saw a firm that was based in Ojai and they emerged let's hear it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:22:11

You

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:22:12

know, we would want to hear that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:22:13

for sure I mean we were optimistic that we would get a local firm.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:22:16

Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:22:16

and we didn't

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:22:18

Okay Right

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:23

I'll make a

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:22:23

motion. Yes, please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:27

And do I need to add anything about the cancellation about that language? I think I

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.553:22:32

think we simply need just confirmation as to whether the motion is to approve only the original three year term.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:41

Yes. So my motion would be to to for us to approve the three year term But ensuring that we have language that makes it possible for us to cancel if there is any, for any reason, you know, for any reason.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:22:57

Okay. Second.

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.733:23:02

Oh,

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:23:02

okay.

Roll-call vote Passed 4–1 motion would be to to for us to approve the three year term But ensuring that we have language that makes it possible for us to cancel if th
Show transcript
Roll call. Council Member Whitman? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Mang? No. Councilmember rule. Yes, not some council member Lang. Yes mayor Gilman. Yes
ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.733:23:19

Okay.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:23:21

Yeah. Thank you so much fun All right, we're doing it okay, we're on to item number 14 state of the city video production script writing and event presentation support

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:23:36

Yes, Mayor. This is also another item that Council requested be brought back following an RFP and I'm going to turn things over to Ms. Cervantes. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:23:44

Council members mayor this item before you tonight is the award of the contract for the state of the city video production script writing and event presentation support Obviously following council direction. We issued a request for proposals and received five submissions Proposals were evaluated based on qualifications experience costs familiarity with the city and overall ability to meet the city's needs I The State of the City will be the first of its kind for Ojai and will serve as an important communication tool to share city accomplishments, priorities, and future initiatives with the community.

There is no further appropriations needed for this project, and it will be a new contract not in amendment to the current TRIPEPI contract because we are moving TRIPEPI Smith forward to be the contractor for the state of the city. That is all I have, and I'm happy to answer any questions. I

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:24:41

think I want to jump in and add a couple things really quick if I could, just to make it clear. In some state of the cities that you may have seen in other municipalities, it's often dominated by the mayor speaking because the mayor is the figurehead, of course, leader of the council. In discussions with our mayor his desire is not to go that particular route. In fact we talked about having very inclusive state of the city featuring all the City Council There are unique initiatives and desires from each council member, unique visions. And we were hopeful that we could really capture what everybody is trying to work on as well as the things that we have established collectively. So I just wanted to make sure that was clear. The other thing I want to say is this proposal is scalable so if there are components of it, if the Council wants to move forward and if the Council only wants a portion of what's offered, that is something that we could arrange.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:25:41

I just have to add to what you said. I'm actually pushing for staff as well So, I know you said no, but I'm saying yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:25:50

So yes, I had a question so just and I Met with you both too in it. So I know the answer this but just for the record We did an RFP process correct? And we did not have any local vendors or filmmakers Applying for this Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:26:09

correct and the RFP was open for 30 days.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:26:12

Okay that That's unfortunate Because we have so much talent in this city But I but we did go through that process. I

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:26:24

think maybe if we asked for it to be claymation, we would have got something.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:26:27

You know, actually, that would have been I would have been a supplier to supported that. OK, thank you.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:26:34

A similar question. I was surprised to see no Ohai vendors on there or individuals. Any questions? I have one public comment, Larry Stangold

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:26:54

Have you looked at the RFP? Have you seen the RFP that was sent out? Most RFPs in my estimation, in my world when they're put out by companies that are already in play typically it's the person because they go to the experts and the experts go oh what should be in the RFP. So they tailor the RFP for what they are Okay, so they're self-proposing because you're going to look at their requirements. Zeppy Smith I'm sure they're very good and they're already hired but they have a list of their expertise They're five years in this, seven years here. Whatever their expertise is that's typically would be part of the RFP because you want to compare apples to apples right? You're not going to compare apples to oranges so look at the RFP and how tailored was that to them if you take out things like oh you got to be in public media for 10 years Is anybody here?

Maybe none. Well, that cuts them right out. The goal of applying when you apply to look for jobs, you're looking for no's. How do I get the funnel down to one? Well if they're already specified then they are the ones you're going to pick because no one else can meet those standards. So please look at the RFPs that are put out and how specific are they? It's not just here, it's in real estate too.

They pick the type of building they want and they go oh that's the only building in town so they're the only ones that we can go to. That happened back happens all the time but here you've got opportunities. You've got people in town Ojai Valley News uh Brett Bradigan whatever the companies are you've got media people all over the place At least say to this company, gee you got to spend half the money here.

It's going to stick in town. It can't go to Ventura, it can't go to Oakview, it's going to stay within the borders of the city if you want to be part of the deal because otherwise we're just sending money out-of-state. We've got lots of people here who are very competent in media. I mean they're all in media, it's entertainment I mean, we've got writers. We've got producers. We've got printers. We've got all this stuff. So at least say to this company, hey you want half the money here? If you're going to approve it, we gotta spend it or please take a look at the RFP and see how detailed it was for people who couldn't apply because they look at it and go, I can't answer this.

So that's all. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:29:42

I'm curious who the evaluation team that chose Tripps, who is that?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:29:50

Primarily city manager's office. And just to speak a little bit to the past comment, we were looking for somebody who had done this type of work before who had worked with municipalities. It is a little bit different having general video experience to trying to produce a message that explains what a city is doing and their vision and what they're striving for. Not just general commercial video production.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:30:25

Was the art commission where they asked? Was there a list of talent?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:30:31

We did not consult the Arts Commission. That was not part of the City Council direction. We don't normally go to a commission unless it's in, so for instance if we were in recreation and we were gonna bring out a new program that would be logical but we didn't receive

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:30:48

that direction. I guess I would ask the question that I'm, I know I'm very interested personally in having a state of the city video as a kind of a semi-annual report in some sense but also a way of talking about what we're up to. But so if we are saying well I'm concerned about the process that's something we should definitely talk about but if it's actually don't want a video then let's not waste time.

So I know, I would really like to see the city. I feel like we've accomplished a lot and it would be really great to talk about it and have a lot of the faces that are part of the city on this video. I think it'd be really wonderful and have a life of its own. And the prices when I see these prices they're not surprising to me. This is what videos cost to make. I've been a part of that too and I'm happy to see that the lower price.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:31:42

So I think now Whatever we do, there's going to be a perception that we were spending city money on with the exception of maybe Ms. May on campaigning for the November election. So I do have concern about that And I guess my other concern is that we probably did exclude some people who might have been interested. Actually, I have no idea how attractive maybe a $35,000 contract to do this is to somebody who is engaged in the media arts but If they needed to have experience working with governments as a qualification, then I think we wrote every Ojai media artist out of the qualifications.

And I understand why that was Included but I'm not sure that I agree 100% that if this is going to be, if the message What has the city accomplished over the last 12 months? Or what's our vision for the next six months or however that's gonna come across, that there aren't local video artists that would be actually very good at performing that function.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:33:43

I guess it seems to me we're just repeating the conversation we had that instigated this work but On the first point, I see what you're saying about campaigning. I guess what I would say is we could be very disciplined and none of us do anything alone. So then it seems to me you could say let's talk about what the city has literally accomplished and the accolades, I would say mostly end up going to a lot of staff people as well so there's all kinds of ways around that problem it seems to be. That's really up to us. It's the tone that we give it.

That's fine.

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ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:34:24

My opinion is people are going to say that if they want to say that, and nothing that you do is going to keep them from saying that. And so if that's a perception problem, it's a perception problem. But I don't suppose that anything that we do one way or the other will prevent someone. And if they don't say it about that, they'll say it about something else. That's just my feeling on the matter.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:34:49

Yeah, when I learned that when we walk down the street for Fourth of July to me it's not like oh rah rah look how great we are. It's like hey we're a part of this big community and we're doing something and it's good to be a part of it. What we do constantly here is, I think a big issue is that misinformation gets promulgated and just spreads. So the more that we can offer good information, I think it really serves all the community's interest.

And there's misinformation like literally every single day on Facebook.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:35:26

Well, does that go back to them because they do our Facebook page. So how much comes back to them not doing the job? You know when I see here two community engagement history, I don't see that with the numbers on Facebook and then I can't help but think them being hired to do the logo We all know that was a disaster. How much did that cost us? Where's it at? It's money out the window in my opinion, I haven't seen it anywhere enough that I want to see it.

So when they say that they're engaged and they know what we want, I think that's pretty far from the truth

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:35:59

in my opinion. You've said a lot of things just now. The logo seems to be, we also moved it along here as a bot so just put that aside for one second but On the Facebook side, I guess I mean on things like on the community network places. So what I see the social media doing which we're not talking about that yet but they're trying to say here are the forums you could come to, here's the workshops, here are the things around safety so I see it as an attempt. The misinformation I'm talking about is what individuals post every day.

So I'm seeing if we don't do anything then there's no way to help correct information So I think you have to do

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:36:37

something. But if you're saying, how often would a video be done? How much information

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:36:43

can you grant? It lives on its own. It has a life of its own. Especially if you have a video that's not too long but covers many subjects. You don't have to want to do it. No, no,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:36:53

I don't.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:36:53

That's totally fine. Absolutely. What I was saying is to have the conversation around the process or just not wanting videos.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:37:01

I think that there's value in doing a video and doing a State of the City video because, you know, so many people have... like, I think social media has become a dumping ground for people's complaints. And a video can show what we're doing in a positive light and it can bring out some of the good things that we're doing that go unnoticed or that go unseen. I'm imagining b-roll of streets being paved and the crosswalk lights that we're going to have.

Things that I think people miss, they take for granted all the trees that we've planted. We've done some incredible things. And so having a video on the city's webpage that everybody sees when they come and get a permit or when they want to take care of any city business, I think would be meaningful. You can also pin videos up to the top of your Instagram or the top of your Facebook page and so that would be like the first introduction someone's coming to see oh what's happening at the city? Oh there's the video i'm going to go look at that and so there's a feel-good It's a feel-good piece that would help to temper, I think some of that tendency toward focusing on the negative.

Not saying that we don't want to take care of the problems and look at the negative but just having something that's our voice that shows a unification. I think there's real value in that

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:38:47

If I could just jump in really quick, just an additional thought is if the council wanted to you know you could create a subcommittee to help guide what you would envision this to be like. I want to be careful because not every single member can be on the subcommittee obviously but there's a couple of you that feel strongly about what what it should look like that would be welcome

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:39:08

I mean this relates to even to the next item there could be an ad hoc committee committee that's looking at communications in general

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:39:16

yes absolutely

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:39:17

yeah me too

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:39:20

it seems to me like

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:39:21

mm-hmm

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:39:26

An ad hoc committee if everybody was participating in it. I don't see there being a problem City Attorney can weigh in but All we're talking about is messaging as opposed to discussing some project or policy that we're planning to adopt in the future. We'd have to avoid that topic, but otherwise we can talk about what has happened and we can talk about in very limited terms what may happen.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:40:08

Yeah, I think that's part of it. I say the other part of it though is frequency, what it looks like, what kind of things get promoted looking at matrix right? Looking at statistics which I know you're ready to offer so I think those would all be really useful things also to look at which would be great to see even among the whole group I would suggest But most cities- I'm not

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:40:32

as inclined to... I'm not inclined at all to do this because of the social media, as a response to social media. Because I don't know of any social media person who is critical of city council or city council members that has much of a following or support. There's just the number of people, and any community are going to be disgruntled and upset about whatever it is.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:41:18

I guess I would say it's following the practice which many cities do. It's not like we're inventing it. So it does seem completely appropriate to me.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:41:27

If I can add one more thing too. The, anytime you click on someone's YouTube page or their Instagram or their face or LinkedIn or Facebook whatever social media are talking about. You want to have a stand-alone piece that's kind of like the front door, like this is who we are. And that sets the tone for the entire experience that someone would have. So I don't think about doing this. We're talking about doing this. We mentioned that this could be a response but I see it as an evergreen piece That would help anyone who wants to go and look at a previous City Council meeting on YouTube, see something when they first open the page. There's the little video and it sets the tone. And I think that there is value in that if someone is just moving here and they don't know anything about the city How about this would give them a way of knowing what's happening in the city without having to go through every meeting video or minutes?

That would be nice.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:42:50

Well, I'd like to see us proceed. I'll motion and see what we get. I authorize the city manager to execute a one-year contract with Treppy Smith and Associates in the amount of $32,802 for the state of the city video production.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:43:05

What did

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:43:07

I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:43:07

say?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:43:08

Sorry,

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:43:11

$35,802. Okay sorry if I misspoke.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:43:14

I'll second it and if we could add the ad hoc committee, the creation of an ad hoc committee.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:43:24

for this particular project or just in general?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:43:28

I think a communications ad hoc committee in

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:43:31

general. I was thinking in general. Yeah. Could be in general. And this would fall under that committee, or we would move forward with this and there would

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:43:37

be an ad hoc? We would move forward with this and there would be an ad hoc.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:43:41

So yeah, I would say like for example when I think if I'm understanding the question correctly When you see scripting begin and that kind of stuff somebody has to meet with them and say here's our ideas What are your ideas looking at other videos from other cities? And then saying oh, yeah this makes sense. Let's do that Okay Yeah,

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:43:58

and maybe just as a thought just so council is comfortable Maybe the ad hoc committee could bring back a general outline of what? The the script would look like it doesn't have to be which is the thoughts of the council could be aware if you wanted To or not. Yeah, you could also give the ad hoc committee the power just to Kind of shape what it looks like either way

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:44:18

and sometimes Companies can also offer something that you look at It's a like a straw man that you then it gives you some framework to think about Okay,

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:44:29

I mean yeah, I think that's fine I just once again it's you know things get Time passes and passes and passes, then we come back and then it's a review. And then time passes and passes and passes. No let's not do that. Yeah I know right? Let's not do that. That's all I have.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:44:46

Let's just not do that! In this case if everybody wants to participate, I hope that is the case, we would want to hear from everybody. Yeah, so yeah, so I

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:44:57

just I just want to

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:44:58

if we're gonna

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:44:59

if we're gonna

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:44:59

let's do

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:45:00

it Let's let's also move move it.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:45:03

You know

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:45:03

what? I mean?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:45:04

We've been this has been kind of in the queue in some sense for more than a year.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:45:08

It has Okay,

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:45:09

okay.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:45:10

All right.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:45:10

We've got emotion in a second roll call

Roll-call vote Passed 3–2 move it. You know what? I mean? We've been this has been kind of in the queue in some sense for more than a year. It has Okay, okay. All rig
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councilmember Whitman no That's a member mayor pro tem main. No, that's a member rule Yes Mayor Gilman? Yes. Council Member Lange? Yes.

3:45 – 3:5415 turns

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.733:45:24

Motion passes three to two. All right,

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:45:28

it'll be interesting to see that see the timeline

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:45:30

on that, Mr Harvey.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:45:31

Yeah.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:45:33

OK, well, it sounds like you want to get something.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:45:35

Well, I mean, we haven't this has been

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:45:38

yeah. We're now we were motivated and I know Tripepi Smith is motivated too. And that's absolutely sorry. Just I know we're no longer on this topic, but they've done a number of these. And so that's part of why we recommended them. They know the model and they know what to do. Okay, for this last item I'm going to turn it over to Ms. Cervantes once again. Ms. Cervantes please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:45:56

Mayor, Council Members, the item before you tonight is the award of the contract for communications and social media services for fiscal year 26-27. We put out a competitive request for proposals and received eight submissions from qualified firms. Proposals were evaluated On qualifications experience scope of service overall value familiarity with the city and compliance with the city's in compliance with the city's purchasing policy Following review of the proposals staff recommends awarding a one-year contract with the option for up to two additional one year extensions to trapeze Smith and Associates Trapeze Smith has supported the city's communication efforts since 2024 and has demonstrated measurable results including expanding The city's social media presence, establishing the quarterly newsletter and providing ongoing outreach and design support.

Their familiarity with Ojai's operations community and communication goals allows for continuing efficiency and reduced onboarding time. In addition to be offered provides a comprehensive scope of service and remains one of the most cost effective full service proposals received. Tripepi is on the line. So if we would like to hear how what stats we have for social media and how it has grown, Alexis can jump in if we can.

Okay. Thank you, Alexis.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed3:47:28

Hi, good evening all yes, I will jump in Mayor, members of the council thank you so much for that. Norma happy to answer any questions or expand on some of the stats specifically but I think just in summary and then I'll turn it back over to you but you know in the last 16 month period right? That's how long we've taken over the communications management for Ojai. We've seen generated about Over 800,000 organic impressions. 45,000 resident engagements and that's across your social media platforms so Facebook, Instagram and Nextdoor.

And then during this period we've seen the audience grow which was really a key goal of the city manager's office in trying to get those engaged followers Seeing that grow to over 1,300 followers. And I can get into some specificity as that ranges by specific platforms that we utilize and that's just in the social media stats and statistics. We've also established the quarterly outlook that we know gets distributed throughout the community wanting to make sure that we have that printed connectivity with your residents and just overall the performance management. I know that there's some questions around maybe the difference of reach versus engagements and how that translates into the whole picture, so happy to answer any of those that the Council may have this evening but just thank you for the opportunity to continue our partnership.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:49:13

Thank you. More questions for staff? I have no cards on this, but no raised hands.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:49:28

Okay. Can I just add one more thing?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:49:30

Yeah.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.573:49:30

When we talked at the last item about this ad hoc committee from the council, I think this really lends itself well to that where each week Norma and I meet with Trepepi Smith and their team when we go through what we're proposing to put out on social media, what's trending, what's an issue, you know, what is a long-term thought for that month That's in addition to we have a quarterly meeting as well with them trying to just kind of map out the stories that we think are important. We go through all the different departments, but the part that's missing that we could benefit from is having some council oversight and involvement. Norma and I, you know most of the time believe that we understand the types of messages that are important One benefit of working with your peppy Smith.

You might not know this about Alexis But she's a former city manager herself So, you know They have a deep bench and they have an understanding of you know, the unique situations of cities She used to work in Malibu among other places so she knows fire issues and other types of important matters. So anyway, but having the council involved too would be good because sometimes I'm sure we don't always get it right and sometimes maybe our messages don't land the way that we want them to. And it'd be nice to have that benefit. So we would welcome that.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:50:46

Yeah. Well, I was also going to say being in a marketing team for a long time in the past when when we think about what an employee could do or a set of employees, what we had in our marketing team was eight people And there were some people that did social media, some were designers, some were writers. Some people were just marketing planners. Some people looked at marketing opportunities and if we were to say something like can a person do this? A single person can't do it.

A team can do it but that's one benefit of having somebody who has the team already unless we wanted to commit to say let's have a marketing department okay let's talk about what that would be but it would be a lot more than not a dollar amount So I guess I just want to keep us thinking about that. We're all talented in our way, but that's a lot of different talent. Just to bring that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:51:37

forward. Yeah. I agree with that point that they have the resources. Any larger firm is going to have the resources to be able to cover all the different elements. There have been times when I've been really disappointed with the work. There have been typos on things, some of the messaging doesn't come through in a way that's effective and we've gotten a lot of feedback about that when it does happen I think also sometimes it's not very creative.

It's like cookie cutter, it seems like this is what other cities do and there's a template for it and you know the reach has improved so that's positive but could it have been proved more? I don't know. I think that with some additional direction, the biggest problem is that we've never had a communication strategy. We don't have a plan. It's like we're always, our communications is always happening in response to things rather than being proactive and saying these are the things that we want to communicate. And this is something that I've struggled with since from the very beginning. I would love for an ad hoc committee to come together, come up with a big picture communication strategy, big picture communications plan And then yes, Tripathi Smith I think you do take direction well.

We could tweak some of what you're doing and just have a committee looking over things but the problem is that we don't have a clear strategy. And a strategy would include things like ads in the paper, it would include things like crisis management, you know social media is one aspect of that and we need to really think about this from a more overarching view And so I'm fine with moving forward with the contract, but I am not fine with just moving ahead and not having some kind of way of reining things in.

3:54 – 4:0017 turns

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:54:17

Just going to say I agree with that. I think a focus is really, really important. I think the general communications about commission meetings and things like that, that's great but I think a real focus and what is at the heart of what we would like to do for instance, I mean I love the fact that you or your team have city government experience Fire mitigation, things like that. I mean, I think that's really important to communicate what our values are, where we put our energies, where we put our priorities. And so yes, a communications ad hoc committee and I'm definitely not volunteering myself but I think would be really important just to kind of steer I'm going to go ahead and get started. Thank you for having me.

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:55:34

The tree workshops that we did, so they got noticed as the way a council meeting would get noticed. But that was only a few days before the event. So what I thought about later and I should have thought about it earlier is we could have put up something out earlier to say oh here's the meeting when it's coming up but put it out three weeks in advance two weeks in advance.

I put it on my page, I put it on OHA events. But there's no reason why you would know that. You drew Pepe Smith. In other words, having us here on the ground would be really nice not to that we have to actively be workers but to say oh this is a workshop that's gonna be public three weeks in advance. It's

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:56:13

important.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:56:14

Yeah and it's important

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.693:56:15

yeah. We know it's important for our community. So we can market

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:56:18

that. There are so many other cool things that we could do like all of the businesses, the local businesses that have their own pages We could be cross-pollinating, we could be sharing reels. I think we could get Ojai Sandalwood and Small Town Citrus to get involved somehow. I mean, we have so much creativity here and it gets lost in our social media. I do appreciate seeing on Nextdoor or seeing on Instagram the posts about the informational items but you know, to really capture an audience You have to speak to them.

And I just don't, I think that we could do better with some real creative strategy.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:57:05

I agree with

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:57:06

that. And we should help you do that.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:57:08

Yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:57:08

I mean, we should help whomever do that. That's right. I'm just going to say for a company that has 20 plus years of experience, a base price of $106,000 for us to have to tell them what they should do Seems a little crazy to me like they should know what the experience if somebody's truly an expert or you know in marketing and PR We shouldn't have to tell them. They should be telling us this is what should be done I think that's ridiculous, and I'd like to see the other The proposals it's out of curiosity to see provided to perfect

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role3:57:46

What's a little tricky is that sometimes if you say, oh we're going to hire a PR company they come in with kind of a standard protocol like here's what you need to do and this kind of stuff. And in a way they do fall a little flat in my view because it is rote and it's not what your particular thing is doing or the particular things that are the vehicles here so there are some things that are stocked and some things that aren't particular. That's my experience.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:58:14

I would want to see a community member join our staff who has the skill set. And even if I 100 percent agree with the idea that having a team and teamwork can be an advantage, but going back to my thought on the prior Item is it when we're spending money. I want to spend money when I can spend it on a community member Who can deliver the service and I'm not in a position to say that there's somebody out there who wants To be employed by the city to do that. It's just my Envisioning if I was to do this, this is that's who I would want to do this. I get that my other thought is to Include The city attorney To explain In a small digestible piece, various issues that come up and explain why things are the way they are. Why a decision was made the way it was.

You mean that's something you would like to promote? That's something I would promote as being part of our messaging or web page I think when I hear members of the public speaking out, it's usually that they don't understand what the heck just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:00:11

happened.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:00:14

And sometimes it happened the way it did because of a legality and having somebody explain it in certain terms might help. Absolutely, that could be part of the part of the overall

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.554:00:29

communication

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:00:29

strategy

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.554:00:29

Absolutely, here's Bethany I mean, you know maybe rotate around

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4:00 – 4:0528 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:00:49

Department heads chief of police well to Occasionally be the person who's it'd be nice not writing a long letter But maybe like a half-page letter that it's addressing some issue that seems that would be really important I

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:01:07

I was just going to say that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:01:08

your little thing in the park, who did that? Because that was so sweet. I don't know if that's the right word. Sweet. But

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed4:01:17

yeah, those are department PIO. Yeah. Creative PIO Center. Yeah, she does good work. You're a county person? Yeah, she's a sheriff's office employee. She's our head PIO.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:01:29

Well we could always tap her. Tell the story of Patrolman Eric and the little child in the middle of Ojai.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:01:40

Let's just try to stay focused if we can because we're almost done.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:01:49

Your PowerPoint Was one of the best That I've seen in three years Didn't have a lot of stuff. We had to read it It had good graphics and was really well organized very logical. I thought that was an excellent

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed4:02:04

Thank you appreciate it. Thank you

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.554:02:07

Before we continue, I just wanted to make sure. Did we do public comment on this item? I know we did it on the previous item. Okay making sure.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:02:14

Well tell me if i'm wrong. I thought what I heard was the need for the ad hoc committee to be an integral part of what we're going to do and I also heard the willingness to proceed with the contract

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:02:27

Yes,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:02:28

yes. But I would like to I would like for in the future for us to come back with an estimate for like four with a breakdown of what it would look like to have an in-person and For all this to be brought in person to To hire someone in house. Yes

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:02:51

So we, like I mentioned earlier in the evening, we're having a general discussion about contract items and I think this can be one of the ones. Again it's going to be our estimate of what would be involved if you were to bring this in-house? That's not

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:03:03

actually a bad idea because I have seen where you work with contractors like really heavy duty PR firms but you have your individual person work with them Because you know things they can't know. If

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:03:14

I could just jump in, we're very pleased to have the ad hoc committee oversee this effort but Norma and I are very involved every day and every week with it so it's not just as if Trepeppy Smith is designing the messaging. They're actively working with us so some of the mistakes certainly are mistakes. We're appreciative to kind of have a general overall guidance from the council and also we'd ask the ad hoc committee to really lead the effort

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:03:44

Thank you for taking some of our critiques and not taking them personally.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed4:03:52

Not at all. I appreciate the feedback, we can't evolve unless we get that and we certainly understand the importance of working in partnership and with you that understand the community that you serve. And so looking forward to putting together that strategy and making sure the tone and philosophy of the council is reflected in the messaging going forward. Thank you.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:04:20

So yeah, if I can, I'll try a motion here. So we authorize the city manager to execute a one-year contract with Giuseppe Smith on communications and social media with the expectation that there would be close involvement and strategy direction from the ad hoc committee to be populated.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:04:41

And are you going to name an ad hoc committee tonight? Yeah, can we do that tonight?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:04:45

Why

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:04:46

not?

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:04:50

I mean, I would offer that it would be Ms. Lange and myself but I'm open to feedback.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:04:55

I would like to be quiet, but I'm happy to let anybody make mistakes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:05:00

Well, I think it would be my two cents because we seem to be different. Our vision has been the complete opposite of you guys from the get-go. So I would think either Mr. Whitman or myself to... Like one of each? Something, I think, to get a different spin on it because I know we don't agree.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:05:21

It sounds like there's a lot of time involved and... Well, I have time but this wouldn't be one I would want to concentrate. It

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:05:33

is a time-intensive assignment and I would say that we would want the ad hoc committee to be involved at a minimum weekly.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:05:41

Yeah, I'm happy like I said not to be one of the... I would love to work with you. Okay there you go and yes so I think that's good. Well we can't

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:05:57

three being a part of a team right? No I think you need to be.

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ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:06:06

You two guys starting off is great and then let's see how

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:06:09

it

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:06:09

goes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:06:09

Okay,

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:06:10

how's

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:06:10

that? Are you willing to do that? Yeah, okay

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:06:16

And I think we should also consider hiring someone whose job it is to be the interface with all of the communications, whether it's Patek Smith or whether it's our chamber or the paper. Someone whose job it is as to...

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:06:38

Well, we saw that recent communication. I think part of what this team would do would be to say, oh yeah these are ads that should go in the paper two, three, four weeks in advance or whatever and that would be part of the queue.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:06:50

I think that that would then free up. I mean there's there's a lot of work to be done city manager's office So, you know, I think also someone who's real focus is that? Checking in with you guys might also be advantaged but that's down the road But I would support that

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:07:05

position. There was a motion about an affair to second. Okay

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.734:07:09

All right Miss Burgess may we include the appointment to the ad hoc committee with the approval of item 15 as recommended? We can okay roll call

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:07:18

all

Roll-call vote Failed 1–1 motion about an affair to second. Okay All right Miss Burgess may we include the appointment to the ad hoc committee with the approval of it · 4 under review
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right Council Member Ruhl. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Meng.
GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.554:07:33

We could divide it into two motions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:07:36

Okay

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.734:07:38

motion roll call on the first motion which is approving item 15 as recommended okay

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.554:07:44

or is it a one-year or one year renewal yes so one not as recommended just

Roll-call vote Passed 3–1 motion which is approving item 15 as recommended okay or is it a one-year or one year renewal yes so one not as recommended just one year th
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one year thank you for clarifying mm-hmm okay roll call councilmember rule yes mayor pro tem may know Council Member Whitman? No. Mayor Gilman? Yes. Council Member Lange? Yes.
ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.734:08:09

Motion passes 3-2. And we'll need a motion and a second for the ad hoc committee.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:08:21

I'll make a motion. Unless

ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.734:08:22

we use the same one.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:08:23

I'll move to form the Ad Hoc Committee.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 move to form the Ad Hoc Committee. Okay roll call.
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Okay roll call. Council Member Whitman? Yes. Council Member Ruhl? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Meng? Yes, Mayor Gilman? Yes. Council Member Lange? Yes
ElectedKim MangMayor Pro TemProposedvoiceprint 0.734:08:43

okay all

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:08:45

right we are on to any council member reports yeah I have one too go ahead okay Wednesday this past Wednesday Here, hosted here, we had several of the parties of the water adjudication including OVLC, the Upper Ventura River Water District, ourselves. The county among others are the East End pumpers so we met here talking about basically what did we agree on? What were some of the problems of what's coming forward And then at the same time, we had the City of Casitas, I mean sorry, Casitas. The City of Ventura and the State meeting separately.

Casitas came here, we met jointly and then the next day Thursday there was 43 people all together in Oakview. Working this out and we are, there's still a few hurdles to go over that and they're important. But we're closer than we've ever been to one or possibly two proposals that would go to the judge on this water adjudication with a lot of overlap if it's too.

So the next step is some drafting and we will be hearing from Holly Jacobson, who's our attorney in a closed session for this body to get fully up to speed. But it was really powerful to be in a room with 43 people trying to work something out. It was amazing. So that happened last week.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:10:09

Yes, I heard about that. So kudos to yeah everybody putting it together and coming together and moving this moving that ball down the court Yeah, good job.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:10:18

Yep. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:10:19

Yes, I have a report from ECTC and GCTD the transportation Commissions so there was a triennial Audit performance audit and Ojai had some findings We we did not do Too well. There were a number of issues that were raised and a number of recommendations, and I just want to thank our staff for working with the auditors to address those concerns. And I look forward to connecting with both of you to find out how we can How we can improve some of our transportation functions And and so I just want to let you know in case you hear Of any of those reports from other Cities or from if you happen to watch the meetings. So

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:11:10

Thank you Any other report Future jet items, I have two that I'd like to entertain it the first Related to tactic three one in which is basically extending the bike path to Seoul Park. So that conversation with the county, it instigated a very interesting possibility and that is that Seoul Park become a park in the city, that the City of Ojai not only manages but is a part of the city and the county is ready to work with us in a very favorable way that we would take over that park.

So what I'd love to bring forward to this body is that we ask the staff to develop a concept review of what that would be financially to have Soule Park become a city park.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:11:59

And I would second that for sure.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:12:01

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:12:02

Very exciting.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:12:02

It's super exciting. And I have one more, which is also our tactic nine four, which is having workshops. I propose that we have an August workshop on and off Tuesday so there's no action but it would be all dedicated to basically progress or challenges on our goals. So one whole meeting on a Tuesday only dedicated to goals where we get to hear from the audience in a more lively interactive way.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:12:31

And I think Norma, we have a our town hall is tentatively scheduled for August 2nd if no my bad. Thank you August 26, even better. And we're trying to expand out our reach just a little bit to get the DA involved so that we can get a sense of the larger picture of local law enforcement.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:13:03

So I guess, I'm not dedicated to any date just that I would love to get it on our calendar that we start thinking about it. I mean on our...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:13:10

Yeah, I think we were waiting for confirmation from... And August 26th is a Wednesday so we can still proceed with the other workshop on the same month Well, whatever.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:13:22

I agree let's form up the date and if we can't get some people to come then we just move with what we got.

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:13:28

And September is okay too just to say yeah I think there's an appetite where we were hearing a couple times lately. Let's keep our workshops up.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:13:36

Agreed. I have a few things. Yeah, the first is the parade chairs. Oh, yeah Okay, you forgot sir The other thing I would like to bring up. Well, I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:13:48

sorry you say the parade creating a policy When someone could start leaving their chairs and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:13:55

Right because there's been issues with them out there and getting in the way of those that you know with wheelchairs and all of that It's it's a big. It's a big deal, so I'd like to address

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:14:05

that I have a Friendly suggestion if you want to hear it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:14:08

okay

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:14:09

here. It is you ready yep. You have a special meeting this Thursday I'm not saying you have to do this but, you know, this group will be together on Thursday and I would say timing is a little bit of the essence here. Waiting until the 23rd is probably not great. Just real quick, I know this is a Councilmember session.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:14:32

Do you want to do something before July 4th? Or do you want to do something for a future calendar

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:14:38

year? I think right now, it's an issue. It's like almost a month before the Fourth of July and every day when I go through town there is... So

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:14:44

Mayor Pro Tem and I discussed this and we kind of walked through some of the pitfalls that I've experienced elsewhere in similar situations. It really needs some council guidance.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:14:54

Yes, at least we could talk about it. Right? Yeah. Yes. The other thing is the I don't know if we want to call it the pickleball ordinance or with that we need

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:15:05

so this one if I'm sorry, just keep stepping all over you. But I think what we talked about, if you're OK with me translating this in my words, it would be an introduction of an ordinance establishing play at allowed play at the Libby courts.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:15:21

Right.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:15:21

Would you agree with that characterization

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:15:24

The rules for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:15:27

right? Yes. I'm sorry, I had a mind. Yeah. So to go through that to see tennis courts or tennis

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.554:15:32

and actually council previously provided direction that we bring that back to council for further action. So so we do have that in the works.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:15:44

Are we going to not allow a high day pickleball which has been for five years

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:15:50

It's going to be discussed.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:15:51

Okay, that would be something

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:15:52

that's all on the table like

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:15:54

we can get it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:15:54

dialed

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:15:55

in so we can stop it.

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ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:15:59

Yeah no, I just was wondering. I heard that you know we already had moved to that but it hadn't been discussed

GovBethany BurgessCity AttorneyProposedvoiceprint 0.554:16:06

before. Council provided direction previously that we bring back a policy for council consideration. All right great thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:16:14

you. No it's all good. The last thing is protocols like for a communication policy?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:16:25

We were happy to put that on a future meeting. What does

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:16:29

that mean? I'm sorry

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:16:31

Just like what there's been issues, you know, people reach out and stuff. And I'm going to use you as a reference. The whole deal, the most recent was after OUSD saying no, we're not going to go ahead and put this on about that's fine. And then there's a statement on the front page of the newspaper with you saying, OK, here, what about this? And all of this stuff just seemed so he's wearing his mayor hat talking about things when we haven't been involved with that. I think there just has to be, and it's not the first time that it happened. We've had these discussions in the past and I just think there needs to be some guidelines on what you're gonna say where, what happened

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:17:07

where. I think there are some serious misunderstandings about our, the way we were thinking about those things so it would be good if- Yeah

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:17:15

let's have a discussion about it. I mean there is the First Amendment right? There is, I mean, you know... That'll be the subject. That'll be the subject! Very good! Okay.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:17:25

Just going back

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:17:26

to

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:17:27

the chairs item, sorry. We're going to...

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:17:31

Do you have to notice that?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:17:32

Well we do and so I'm just warning you guys the agenda report will be very scant okay it will it will be because we have to publish that by tomorrow at 3

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:17:45

p.m.. Is this something that the public should be aware of because they won't

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:17:49

Well, so this is you guys could talk about it in the meeting and then maybe that's part of the direction you take is that you want to bring it back some more. I don't know what but just starting point.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:17:59

Okay,

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:18:00

that's how that's how I'm going to characterize it that this has been a topic that the council beginning to address. And just leave it

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:18:08

at that. Yeah, I think that's fair enough. I think also it's a very timely issue But but I will say that there will be pushback on oh you noticed it yesterday in the meetings tomorrow Okay,

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:18:19

we're gonna be very

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:18:20

yeah

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:18:20

light touch on the

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:18:21

agenda

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:18:22

Council have a general discussion about

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:18:24

and I think we preface the discussion with the fact that You know this is not meant to be I mean, we'll know what to say It's a safety issue It's a safety issue and nobody, we just have to move on it because blahdy-blahdy-blah. And we're not trying to not let people

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:18:41

know. I'm seeing interest can someone give me a second on the chairs? Yes. There you go. Yeah. Okay. I figured you all want

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:18:46

to. And

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:18:46

then

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:18:46

I... This doesn't need to be... right away, but it needs to be before next July 4th. Multiple people have come here and have also communicated with me individually that we need to take a look at our policy concerning having fireworks and the alternative potentially drone-based... I don't want I know it's too late to do anything this year, but we should at least have that discussion about whether we want to put limitations on.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:19:30

I'm very disappointed that we didn't get to that because we pushed it off saying we had we push it off for last year

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:19:37

It's already on the next year or next year. Yeah, in other words, we're gonna swear on the working agenda It's

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:19:48

one of the things that it's been kicked down the road for a while

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:20:00

Yeah, so we should have a listing and I'm sure Weston would like to keep it uncalendared.

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ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:20:19

So we have that in the working agenda currently. We have had lists of things where we ask people to prioritize. I'm just going to push back a teeny bit, guys because I just need you to look at it and because we give it out to you and I hear from some of you like hey what the heck happened to this item or what the hell is going on here? Just tell us because we have them on there. Right okay so Weston just make sure please tomorrow you send out the most recent version.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:20:42

So do we yell hey what the hell did you order again?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.574:20:46

To me,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:20:47

or to both of us. Yeah that's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:20:48

good. You're going to be more polite towards Weston when you raise the issue than you are gonna be

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:20:57

to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:20:57

Ben. Anything

ElectedAndy GilmanMayorProposed · by role4:20:58

else? Any other future agenda items? All right. Okay meeting

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.694:21:03

adjourned.