Disaster Council

Disaster Council special meeting Thursday, June 18th roll call, please Thanks

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you. Does anybody have any changes to the agenda?

No, Mayor.

Yeah all good okay so we'll take some public communications and if anybody wants to speak but has not given me a card that's totally okay but Dennis Colburn please come up Thanks. And we have your written documents here.

Great, thank you.

Thank you.

I gave them to you because if I try and get this in three minutes it's not going to happen. Good afternoon council members. I don't understand why this council has been missing for three years but thank God you're back as you are truly the only council with the teeth that can attack this problem I'm presenting I'm here to represent myself and with no claim to having any expertise in the function of the agencies that all of you represent.

I am here as a 40-year City of Ojai resident with an extreme concern for the safety my family, and my friends, my fellow citizens. My concern is primarily focused on the lack of an actionable plan for evacuating the citizens of the city of Ojai when there is an arson ignited fire at the edge of the city limits during an extreme wind event. This fear is not fantasy, it's based in facts I have researched extensively since the fires in Los Angeles which would resemble the danger we face here today unlike the Eaton and Palisades fires we have far more A far more extreme situation in regard to safe evacuation.

It is documented in recent traffic studies by the Ojai Fire and Safety Council that all the evacuation routes leaving the valley are over capacity from moments after the alert is given, all the way through the first 24 hours of evacuation. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I truly believe that if you plan for the worst-case scenario, you will achieve progress in all the scenarios below it.

This event would truly be considered not just a disaster but possibly the largest catastrophic loss of life from fire in our lifetime. I have been to many FireSafe Council meetings and even took the two day fire home hardening class and I realize there is no focus on this situation of which I speak. There is no more of a priority for this council, I repeat there is no more of a priority for this council than to prepare for what would be the end of the city or valley as we know it.

As a citizen of the city for so long, I know exactly how little has been done over the years to produce comprehensive plan. To quote the last year's fire resource guide shelter in place is an option of last resort and it means you fail to evacuate early There is no early evacuation in this case for the citizens who awake from their bed to the scream of their phone and frantically trying to figure out how to lead their family in a direction of survival.

Almost all extreme high wind events typically happen three to four times a year, and most at night in my experience during the long fall and winter nights. These can last from eight to 24 hours which is plenty of time and can cause untold damage. This is why the event is so dramatically dangerous. I can go on and on with a stack of statistics information to support the need, and to offer dozens of solutions. But I'm a mere informed and invested public citizen with no power to create or enact many of the suggestions that I've researched. The power lies in our public servants' hands not the public's.

Please take the time required to put yourself in their bed when that phone goes off and feel the panic. If you as a child council choose not to address this then there is little that the community can do to protect itself As the ready set go plan is useless with nowhere to go Thank you for your attention.

Thank you, sir. I appreciate it Does anybody else want to speak right now? I don't have any cards but I welcome in Okay Anybody online

Nobody online mayor

okay nobody online at all Okay, that's fine. So let's talk about the introduction and reestablishment of the Ojai Disaster Council.

Sure, Mayor. As the last public speaker identified this is something that was in place previously. This is established through the Ojai Municipal Code. It has not been active since 2023 but here we are. We are re-establishing it so I just wanted to set the table. This is a function that we are required to adhere to. We can introduce additional members of the council if they receive City Council approval One logical addition might be the Public Works Director, I can think. But there could be others and they could be either on city staff or they could be representing an organization or another agency.

The purpose of this, according to the code is to thoughtfully discuss and plan out for actions preventative and responsive in times of disaster. For that reason we have not only our fire chief but our police chief here, our elected head of the council, and me as head of the organization of employees. That's why we're here. We're also here to determine how frequently we want to meet and that type of thing too so.

Yep, that's it. Thank you and I'm not meaning to blur some of the lines between the items but this probably will a little so talking about how frequently we should meet my suggestion would be a little more frequent earlier on get things established and think about a few of the things that we could talk about work on so we see those in kind of The overview of the operations and then going forward, for example, to these points.

Who should we hear from? So obviously as you point out, we could be thinking about the Public Safety Commission which I expect will be having their first meeting next month. Hearing what they're working on and how we can collaborate, the Fire Safe Council obviously But then other kinds of people too, like work that on the fire side that people like the crew are doing and all that kind of stuff. And then the one thing that I – the research that I've done so far is just kind of to your point Mr. Colbert when I look around I'll just query what to do in an Ojai disaster? And you see AI offers something pretty not bad.

But when you look at the city's website, we just have very outdated things on there. Like the emergency plan has a very old PDF and stuff like that. So the need is really there to think about what to do and how to do it. And also I thought that what I noticed in most constituents that I speak to is they just don't know what's happening. So part of it is a big...I think a big part is just communication. So we figure out how do we communicate well? What are the vehicles for the communication?

Even things that the Fire Safe Council has already done this year just on fire. If you're not paying attention to it, you just don't know about it. So those would be the things I would love to see us work on and do because a lot is happening. It's just not consolidated in a place or we don't have a website resource that's up-to-date. How does that seem to you guys? I'm not trying to burden us with a lot more meetings, but I thought if we could meet monthly just for awhile get some things on the table. But we all have busy schedules.

Now I think this is important in bringing in, I would recommend maybe VCOES since they're part of the biggest entity in the county that does a lot of the evacuations. Working on polygons and some of the changes that they've had. I was even thinking maybe even Los Poetres National Forest, maybe some CAL FIRE folks because And the meetings sooner than later I think are important too. Monthly would be probably at a minimum, maybe as we get into fire season we could do it even on teams a couple more times but the evacuation concern is a big concern and it's all based on its whack-a-mole so where does the fire start at? What are the routes going to be? Is it wind driven, topography driven? There's so many factors And having the website set up that has all that information that allows you to get prepared.

So whether it's watch duty, national weather service those things that give people the time to prepare and know so it's not a wake-up at night. You're already ahead of the game knowing hey we're under going to be under a PDS there's gonna be a Santa Ana wind event there's gonna all these different things that they're not it's not all of a sudden happen. Not a hazmat, not an active shooter. It's something that we can prepare for I think if we have those tools available to the community it will make them a lot more prepared in a little bit more comfortable

Yeah. Similarly, what we sent out in the Ojai Outlook where we encourage people to go to the VC alert and that kind of stuff, it probably just needs to happen again.

Well not only that but so we have a newsletter that's hitting this coming Monday but the next one comes out in the fall which is a very appropriate time and we can talk about the reestablishment of this and things that this body will be working on making the public aware.

Yeah, yeah. No, that sounds right to me too. So were you suggesting even more frequently than monthly for a while?

If that gets the ball rolling and we meet some of these things I'm totally if we can set aside an hour even on teams not in person just to kind of see where we're at and

push back a little bit on that. I think you know, we've I think monthly might be because we need to create an agenda We have to I want people to chime in maybe every two weeks Maybe we need to about start with monthly. Okay, that's the frequency that our commissions meet Our council only meets twice a month so

or for example if we could at least get some things on Sort of on the table to say, these are the big things we're working on. Then you could have individual people work on things in the interim as an ad hoc, you might say. But I'm very interested and really happy that it's starting again. And sorry we didn't do it sooner. Okay so it sounds like we kind of jumped into item number two a little. So we're saying we're going to do at least monthly meetings for awhile.

Do we want to set a regular... Actually, you know before I speak let me consult with those who actually reserve rooms and know the meeting schedules. And then I can communicate this and then we can post a notice to the community what we're doing find it You know, it's probably gonna be an unsexy day Monday or something because that's probably not grabbed up

already

Something like that and do we want to have daytime evening? It doesn't matter to me

Either one's okay with me?

Let's check availability and I can just throw that

out. Okay, no that sounds good. And then let's see. I guess we should think about what would be the, there's going to be a lot to tackle. What do we, what would we like to tackle first?

Well, I'll make a suggestion. The fire chief started the conversation. Sorry he put you on the spot but maybe at our next meeting we could bring up the topic of evacuation and just kind of explain what's in place now? What is being developed? What the challenges are? It's a topic that we get all the time and to your initial comment, right. It's a little bit of whack-a-mole because you know you can't have a plan in place that you know speaks to a scenario and then when something happens that you don't want people to run towards the fire in other words so We want that type of thoughtfulness so people know what to do. Like you said, a lot of this is very—you often know it's coming or at least have a prediction that it might be coming, so you have some time to think about a scenario.

But just have a thoughtful dialogue about that. What are the types of considerations we need to make and how can put this in place and what should the public be looking at. And this is aside from, you know, BC Alert and all the normal things that we want people to sign up for and be a part of so that we avoid that phone call in the middle of night. Any thoughts there Chief?

Another chief

I'm sorry. It's challenging. It keeps me up at night to be honest too. I think about it a lot. We just wanted to attend a countywide managers emergency managers meeting today. Some lessons learned from the Sandy Fire And really I know Chief Clair will attest to this. It's just the early notification and being prepared, you know having things ready. Oh sorry. That's okay. The early preparedness and it's a consistent messaging. It's the VC alerts. It'a little self-reliance at home. Being prepared.

You know that couple of us being ready to go. And I appreciate you bringing your concerns forward. It something I know we're all worried about in this city. We're trying to beef up our capabilities so we're all actively engaged in taking it serious But it's challenging, it's hard to say where we're gonna evacuate from. Ojai is a small police station, we don't have a lot of resources. We're gonna have to rely on CHP to do evacuation successfully. It's very challenging and there's a lot of what ifs and I know that's kind of getting ahead of myself a little bit but ultimately that's what we're gonna plan.

Do in-house training and tabletop exercises and work through these things. And that was a lot of the lessons learned from the other EOC throughout the county. Simi Valley gave really great presentation today. And a lot of it was that just preparing simple scenarios, preparing over and over. They had a lot of citizen response out there. They have an active CERT team and volunteers which I think is another big component to get that community engagement. And they're our force multiplier so I know it's something the city's working on and has been working on just you know the short time I've been up here I see that in the CERT program.

Yeah, so I'm kind of talking in circles a little bit but it's challenging and it's hard to have a one word answer or final solution for all that. It's very what if in case by case.

Yeah, I mean so a lot of lessons learned from the Mountain Fire and even on the Sandy. Some of the stuff that we learned where those those lessons learned were implemented and we had evacuations pretty quickly launched during the Sandy fire. I think what you're seeing from the after actions from the Palisades in Eaton is there was a delay in getting those evacuations and my concern is unfortunately because we're all human beings we get evacuation fatigue. And so the plan moving forward as we want to launch evacuation warnings So I'm going to go ahead and open it up for questions.

The road systems are not going to change in Ojai, unfortunately. They are what they are and you look at like typically wind-driven events don't occur in Ojai Valley unless you get a north wind or you get some kind of plume driven fire that occurs that's bringing that kind of momentum into here. But on the Thomas Fire, there was a lot of different evacuation routes that were one way back to Ventura. And so how do we manage if that fire was over on Sulphur Mountain or pushing the 33 corridor where we can shelter in place temporary refuge people in Ojai Valley where they'll be safe and they're not trying to get out on a one lane road, two lane road on a mid slope kind of topography and get burned up? I think that's stuff that we're gonna have to look at and talk about because I know you guys are looking at Casitas, the honor farm of temporary refuge You got Soule Park, there's different areas that we have to have that mindset.

That hey I'm not gonna be able to get out of here and it's not gonna be worth trying to drive through the flames on this two lane road through upper Ojai to try to make it to Santa Paula. Would it be better for me to go to Soule Park and kind of ride this out until the flame front goes through? And then re-engage trying to evacuate. Those are all different things that we're gonna have to definitely look at.

So there's, and even like Renee you sent a very detailed list and there's so many things to talk about. The CERT training, General plan element that's being worked on all these things. So if we could My thought was if you have one or two things just as a start like what's the most important thing to work? On make some progress on it know there's a long list of things but On the communication on the evacuation site, I know what people have asked for and I would love to see, I guess would be you have this visual almost on the website. And you say all right so here are the evacuation centers. You literally see them on a map. Seoul Park, Nordoff whatever that you had this clear picture and if somebody goes there that we have this protocol. I'm speaking hypothetically now.

The protocol is it jumps to the front of the website. Here's the emergency. Here's the VC alert. Here is the watch duty. All those links are there There's the clear, here is the evacuation centers. Here is the routes that are open if people could have that would be I think that's what people are hoping for us and I understand that's a lot of how do you manage it on the spot but at least if we can start to talk about it a little that would be To see what's possible and what's not

And I think redirecting some of that, because OES has a dashboard that's ran through ArcGIS that has some of that stuff. It'll show the polygons, it will show the evacuation centers, it will show the routes, it will show stuff that's closed, it will show traffic control points. So it's live and working right now. Patrick Maynard does an amazing job trying to update that stuff, he's a wizard at ArcGIS and it's getting better and better like I said lessons learned from historical stuff that's happened in the county is making it better even having the polygon system we don't use Genesis here for evacuations but we have a similar system where Instead of me trying to draw a polygon on evacuations, I just say Ojai 01 and I want that under an order.

And the other thing too to understand is there's a lot of shadowing going on now so think about a brush fire in Santa Barbara County, LA County if they're under an order because of the new policy whatever counties or that polygon that's near it they're gonna be under a warning so you might not be threatened by the incident but because it borders your county or an area If it's in order, then there has to be a warning issued for those surrounding areas if that makes sense.

That's what you see like on watch duty, you can see all the- did you want to say something? Yes, come into the podium please.

I'm Wayne Francis. I'm the MT Radio Emergency Coordinator for Ojai Valley in North County. For the valley, I'm Auxiliary Communications Service so we come under the emergency operation plan and I also represent Red Cross but some between 15 or about 15 years ago between 15-20 years ago we had the Gaviota fire And I remember one of the lessons learned out of that was that people were traveling in opposite directions on the same road trying to evacuate.

And we said, okay, that's something that could happen here in Ojai in the valley. We want to avoid that so we worked with Captain Bruce Norris at the time. Got federal funding and put in our AM emergency radio station. that is operating on AM 1610. When you think about somebody getting up in the middle of the night, I mean, go to your computer, whatever phones may or may not be working. Of course my scenario is earthquake and when everything is down.

But if people knew that they could tune to 1610 and that would be local information where somebody is saying these are the roads that are open this is the direction to go And it probably not many people have AM radios anymore except in their cars and it is required to have an AM radio in the car So that might be where they get it. Ideally, they'll have even a crank or whatever some kind of radio at home They would have AM But that you know, and that is operated right here across the street. This is where the information goes into that To tell people exactly where to go and what to do Unfortunately nobody listens to the little station It's it'd be great if we could have some kind of active programming I proposed an idea that hasn't really gone anywhere yet to to get people to listen just to be aware that the station even exists and So anyway, that's a way that we can provide the immediate local information You know in emergency like that.

No Thanks And just so you know that did come up if you if you do a search saying The search is literally something like What to do in an evacuation in the city of Ojai. That station does come up, so that's good. But to say the program would

have to be- Actually related to that, Mr. Montes is going to put you on the spot about what we hope to receive federal funding for sometime this year?

So we did submit our application to the federal government for funding for sirens and signage. So hopefully if that gets passed, we will be able to install that and be able to work with you all on that.

We ran into that years ago. We proposed having, just like when you go into some of these other towns in an emergency tune to 1610 or it's a general information station which could have all of our non-profit information on it, music festival, the various things like that, which would be really good programming for it if we could get somebody to do it. But we said, well let's get one of those signs and we had immediate pushback from Caltrans saying there are too many signs on the roads right now. We don't want you to put any signs on them. What we do have, the one thing that we have this city has are these, and James Hahn tells me we've got this, these pop-up signs that we would put on the side of the road in an emergency. Put them at the four entrances to the valley saying tune to 1610.

We've used that in the past when The mass inoculation at Nordoff for H1N1 years ago. But anyway, it's just a public station and usable- I think,

tell me- Just going back to what Mr. Vontas was saying is what we're envisioning is we're envisioning two permanent sirens at the east end and the west end. This is a very old time solution for times of emergency. But just when the siren goes off, the community is trained to tune into whatever they look for information. If it's AM 1610, if it's the internet, if its text message, this is an indicator that they need to check-in to find out what's going on. The message boards will be placed where we will make sure that we're able to place them. We're not going to be taking no from CalTrans if that's our situation but I'm going to go ahead and start.

Yeah, can you tune in? Can you do it right? It's not fun to listen to.

Okay We get it So, you know

I think the what I tell people is that What the siren will be able to do is to say like I'm saying what you just said In other words check your communication channel Whatever that is if it's watch duty if it doesn't alert if it fits the radio If it's the neighborhood like if you happen to live in a firewise community or something like that the neighborhood would something's going on You need to check in But that's the kind of thing that seems like that would be a great thing to articulate, have it clearly on the website. Which we do have the beginnings of it but not all the way.

So that could be the other thing on the next agenda, if you don't mind. Which is just looking at the website and what would we like to do to retool it? So evacuation plan would be one item. Website would be the other.

Or I might broaden it just slightly to say it's a communication plan. Sorry, sure, that's good. So it's something like so the evacuation we look at as one and Communication resources really that's not planned by resources. So we just evaluate what are all the ways that we can communicate and Understand what needs to be updated? Mm-hmm So I know for sure like the resources for where people can evacuate Not everybody knows whether most people known door top is an option, but they don't realize there's many options And there's some of that Are not clear to me even like I hear some conversation the end seem to ponder it as a possibility. I don't know if that's final so I wouldn't tell anybody to go to the end. Yeah, never formally said that but it would be great.

If that's the case great let's solidify that resource or not whatever but Well, what else? What would if I mean that's plenty do we feel like there's something else we'd want to tackle right away.

I think that with the topic of you know Just if you're gonna be talking about evacuation That's probably a good start

and I think so too and I

think you know You're also gonna have similar similarly as we see we've got a commissioner here. Yeah Does that excuse me your Public Safety Commission is gonna launch? Yeah, so there will be some overlap between the two So maybe save some hot topics for that community

And I think that there's some things that are not urgent but important. For example, the safety element we'll look at that when the next CERT program is going to be all of those things will come up. Yeah. Yep. I guess what I would also invite anybody who feels they want to present to us that we're welcome. We're open to that. Yeah Renee did you want to come up?

Yeah come.

Oh, okay. To my concerns. So you never mentioned the word arson. Now I know it's the dirty word but it makes this focus so much different than kind of the answers I heard because the time frame is so condensed when it's an arson fire and during a wind event that's on the edge of city. I say this because after these fires I realized that behind my back fence was ground zero for the destruction of Ojai because I have a quarter mile long breezeway that runs down there with 28 wooden fences. So if that goes, the town goes. That's all there is to it and so arson is the thing, the highest priority that once you realize and deal with that everything else like I say below it is affected by your decisions to get everybody out in an hour You know, or two hours because the city's gone.

So Soule Park Golf Course could hold the whole city. So you harden the golf course, you harden the entrances to the golf course, you do all these things to harden these areas from arsonists Then you can take that out of the equation more. You can close these areas, shelf road, you could close these areas.

I totally hear your

concern. So I'm just thinking that we need to focus this time frame to a smaller time frame than it's coming out of the forest because more than likely it's not coming out of

the forest. You made yourself clear. Did you have something else you wanted to say?

I think the arson thing is good, but again, I've been doing this for 24 years. I'm on an incident management team and so when you're looking at arson, if it's arson under a wind event that could be a power line down too. So we'll have some preparation time because we'll know there's an event coming. The arson today is going to run up the slope and we'll be able to catch that in the first operational period.

I know that the Forest Service is working on red flag policy. It's coming out right now through the U.S. Wildland Fire Service, so if there's a red flag they're going to close all their trails and all the open space which is probably going to make the public pretty upset but that's what they're working on moving on this year. So red flag in the area guess what you're not going hiking on Gridley or not getting any of those things could affect county parks as well.

But yeah, I think the arson thing is a big deal. I know when we go into a brush plan now, TRT through VCOES is standing up extra officers to patrol and be an arson watch. That's something new that came out of the mountain fire. And so a lot of things are going leaning towards arson. There's a lot more our arson investigators especially if it's on state land or in fed land are really pushing hard to put people in jail when those things are occurring.

Yeah, there's still arson stuff. I just saw something in Colorado they found some incendiary devices on a fire just started there but you know the fires the fire doesn't matter how it starts if it's a vehicle fire It's someone playing with fireworks. It's an arsonist is to power line down It's the preparatory stuff Is it on a day like today or are we? Thinking about what's going to happen with any potential arson or power line down based on the weather that we're gonna have

Because I can also think about a lot of non-emergency things that will come out of this plan, but there are things like the tree ordinance and all that kind of stuff. You see it's all connected, but let's focus on kind of the extreme urgency at the moment, it seems to me.

And we can bring up too, and this is just another topic. But if anybody's studying the weather, Super El Nino is coming in 2004 when I was on here, Ojai was an island. And so not only wildfire but how are we preparing for... This is the disaster council, so what's it gonna look like when Ojai is cut off in January? So that's other things. I know wildfire is a big topic because we're in fire season, but we gotta think of every disaster. There's an active shooter here because we have some high politic person over at the Ojai Valley, and how are we gonna handle all these different things? Those are the totalities of all the disasters we should be looking at as one.

Some of us have been flooded and stranded here in the past, over the years. So I also heard you said VCOES, you suggested they come and either present or sit on this body?

If they have the flexibility with their staff, it would be nice just because again they're on all of our second alarms and when I go to Chief Abbott and say hey I need evacuations he's going through their duty officer so that's the nexus of launching these evacuations sending out the wireless emergency alerts doing updating the VC emergency page. That's the nexus and I think having them in here because again they can explain some of the newer stuff that's coming out how that dashboard works other things they might be thinking of I think it's a great tool to have.

I meet with him pretty regularly already, so if it's the ranger here, I think he would readily come if we asked. If that's who we mean.

Mayor, the only thing I'll just remind you and I know you know this is we the policy. The code states that we simply present a suggestion to the city council may have to- And they have to approve who comes? Exactly. So at least but we could ask anybody to come and present. So what I might suggest is that could be a topic on the next agenda listed and then we make a suggestion as a body and then it goes to the council and they approve it. Yeah, and

I think and I don't want to speak for them and we can check and I can check with Pat Maynard but I know they're pretty short staffed Already and very very busy because they're in charge of every city in the county I know I get that so they probably would be able to present cuz they actually brought that up today at our meeting. Okay? Even kind of do an internal training, you know for the cities They really can't provide that too often because they're there already overworked Okay, but you've cleared I mean it's a great idea And it's something like I'll look into and see if they can

present

at least one of the

meetings. Yep That sounds good to me, too And then I guess at some point, it would be interesting to have Casitas here at some point present. Not beyond this body but just understand the situation from their perspective. What do they see as the pinch points? What has improved since the Thomas fire? Because I know they have improved some things but what's the state would be great to hear. That would be really huge. I'm trying to see what else we have that we need to do. Yeah please come.

Rene Roth, oh hi. I'm really glad to see that you're all here. I do think as you were saying Mayor Andy that communication is so important and it is so out of date right now as we can see. I just finished doing the CERT training, and I remember standing outside of Nordoff during the Thomas fire listening to guys on walkie-talkies, ham radios, whatever they were on saying, blah, blah, blah.

And I just felt comfortable knowing that there was a communication network, somebody was in charge. They were talking to each other and they knew what was happening here and here and here and people were checking in. Right now, when you go to OHAI's website, you don't know anybody is in charge. You don't know who—basically the police chief is the central agency that's in charge with all of the information from what I understand of getting things happening and then you just said you go over to Cal—who did you say?

Our Ventura County

OAS. The sheriff is

the OAS officer for the entire county, so we have an OAS component.

So there's somebody who's going to actually lead an evacuation planning process. So this is just real basic stuff that I think we all want to know and we should know, and it could be explained pretty easily on your website. Just update it. We've got the fire doing this. We've got the Caltrans doing this. Everybody is involved. Mr. Harvey, I understand you're the chief emergency officer based on what the code says so we want to make sure you stay in town and you don't leave town as I understand did happen when we had an event happen at the Thomas fire and our city manager maybe it was our mayor left town So these are the kinds of things that it would be nice to know what the code says, who's in charge and have it spelled out in one page. And then for more details hit this link for more details at this link we don't have that

That's what we're endeavoring to do.

Yeah, and I do think having your collaborators who you're working with having Lindy Palmer with Public Works here or Having the fire the Safety Commission be able having a representative from a safety commission that rotates on this earth You know all of those people the communication part is what is really missing so I'm really glad you started this mr Harvey And I'm really glad you're a staff person. And if we want to send comments, who do we send them to?

So all the members of the commission because I didn't know. You can always send it to city clerk as the agenda states. And then the city clerk will send it to all the members? Correct. So that's what I would like to see is to know we can send all of you our public comments. That was not clear. It's on the agenda, so I'm happy to... Yeah and it says that you have to do it the day before the meeting and this is a special meeting

Miss Roth, that's the same as any of these Brown Act notice meetings. I mean, it's the same protocol You can certainly come down and speak at the meeting itself right? Right But if you're trying to get in the public comment works the same regardless right we need it the day before At three o'clock because everybody has things that they're doing they might not get a chance to read it if it comes in after that

And I didn't get a chance to put anything together until this morning. So, I didn't have a chance to put something together by 3 o'clock. We understand.

So here you are and we have your communication

but- And I want to get- But I know

that you know from going to council meetings what the protocol is for all these meetings.

But I don't know how to get in touch with or who to get in touch with to send comments to everybody. That would be helpful. You do

now. Send it to the clerk.

The city clerk correct for everybody on the okay. All right,

and if I might ask you You you are thorough in your communication so I would suggest if you want us to read it and at their short time don't make it too long and Have the most important things at the top So start with the end first like here's the most important three things If you only get here do these things and then the rest is later