BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 February 3, 2026

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:00

Good evening, I just want to call the meeting to order for the Oxnard City Council on Tuesday February 3rd 2026. Madam Clerk may we have the roll call and posting of the agenda please?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction1:09

The agenda for this meeting was posted in the kiosk at City Hall, the Oxnard Public Library, the city administrative offices and on the city's website on

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:18

Thursday

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction1:18

January 20th. And the amended

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:20

agenda on

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction1:20

Wednesday January 28th. Thank you.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:39

We will take public comments on the closed session agenda. Can the city attorney please provide a statement prior to closed session, please?

PresenterChris PaytonProposed · by introduction1:48

Thank you Mayor. The City Council will recess to a closed session pursuant to government code section 54956.9 subdivision D1 to confer with its attorneys. The matters being discussed are Marquez versus City of Oxnard and Gold versus City of Oxnard. The City Council will also recess to a closed session pursuant to Government Code Section 54956.9, Subdivision D4 based on existing facts and circumstances to decide whether to initiate litigation in one potential case.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:20

Thank you Mr. Fisher. Madam Clerk do we have any speakers for public comment on the closed session items?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction2:25

Excuse me, Mayor and Council Members. We do not have any public speakers for closed session in person or virtually for closed session. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:33

Thank You Madam Clerk we will recess at 5 p.m.. We will begin with an appointment item followed by the regular council meeting thank you Good evening, everyone. The City Council had just emerged from closed session. I will ask our city attorney Mr. Fisher for any announcements to make. Thank you, Mr. Fisher.

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PresenterChris PaytonProposed · by introduction50:56

Thank you Mayor. There are no actions to report out of closed session however the council took up items C1 and C2 and after the open session business is completed we will reconvene to close session to take on item C3.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role51:16

Thank You Mr. Fisher We will now

move to the next item on the agenda. This is an appointment item. This is from the City Manager's Department, this subject entails a department workshop.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed51:28

Mr. Mayor we're going to invert the order and start with IT.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role51:32

Okay then we will start with We'll start with you. Go ahead, sir.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed51:51

Are we all set?

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role51:52

Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed51:53

Good evening Mayor Pro Tem and council members. Rob Rubin CIO for City of Oxnard. Today I'd like to walk through a presentation for IT. DAO if we can bring that up. There we go. Okay

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role52:10

let's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed52:11

switch to the next slide here. So this deck may look a little familiar. I borrowed it from our HR organization, who I thought did a terrific job and I thought that their colors on the slides and the layout of the template were useful so rather than reinvent something, I stole it from them with their permission but I just wanted to give the shout out that this was not original but hopefully some of the content

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role52:35

is. In education we say we adapted it Mr. Rubin.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed52:38

Fair, that sounds better doesn't it? But mine's going to be more honest. All right, so by the numbers we also support all 1,875 Oxnard employees whether they're full time or part time. We have three divisions in IT and those divisions are and we'll go through in more detail what they do but they are business engagement, solutions delivery, and infrastructure and cybersecurity.

And we have a total of 39 IT staff positions, of which 32 are currently filled. So go to the next slide. Our overall priorities for those of you who heard me speak in closed session is that our number one by far is defend the city. So we are primarily looking to make sure that we put all the safeguards in place to make sure that we are As well protected as we possibly can be for cyber attack, and also including for defending the city would be what we call keeping the lights on. So making sure all the cities networks and production systems and software are running and running properly.

Our second, I would say our second priority in the list of priorities is what we call organizational or departmental alignment. So this is meeting with department heads on a regular basis and understanding what's most important to them and make sure that we are aligned to their highest priorities. And I'll get into a little bit more detail of what that looks like and how we do that.

And this is under the strategic priorities of the city for organizational effectiveness. So I'd like to drop in and talk a little bit about the first division, which is the Business Engagement Division. This name is something that I borrowed from or adapted from my life in the private sector. So business engagement is a discipline of three main functions within it. One of them is what we call business relationship management, second is project and portfolio management and then business analysis and process improvement. Let me tell you a little bit about those but overall the goal of the Business Engagement Division It's a bunch of big words, but what it really means is that we need to stay connected with our customers and in our case for IT as an internal organization.

Our customers are the departments and staff across the city as our primary customers, so we need to stay aligned with them and so the way we do that is we meet with the department heads on a regular basis in addition to all the project work that we do with them. We meet with them at a strategic level where we look at all the systems that are their systems and how those systems have been running since the last time we met. So part of that overall goal was to keep What I would call a confession where we talk to each of the department heads individually and their staff, and we go through and look at what system broke since the last time we met.

And what happened? What are we doing about it? And how are we going to prevent that from going forward? So we try to always start those kinds of sessions with what went wrong, and then let's go to what's going right. But our philosophy in the IT organization, and it's my personal one is run with bad news, walk with good news. So accountability and transparency are our primary importance. And to build the trust for our departments, that's how we do business.

Project management and portfolio management. Project management is our delivery arm. How do we deliver the projects that the city needs? And the portfolio management is how do we prioritize everybody's work and the main priority prioritization mechanism we use again, is what we would call a force rank so each of the department heads when we meet with them, we look at all their stuff, all their projects and we have them tell us this is the most important, this is number two, this is number three And then we align our resources to their highest priority needs, to ensure that we stay aligned. So we meet with them regularly to make sure that we're not coming out of alignment. Sounds simple but a lot of organizations don't do that and you end up with IT doing its own thing or people not getting the most important stuff done.

So that's how we address that business analysis and process improvement group. These are the folks that meet on a more detailed level get the requirements for the project come up with ideas for how to make processes better and look for better outcomes, and work with the customers also. Our customers for testing the changes that we've made or the systems that we've implemented.

The second arm is the solution delivery division. This is frequently referred to as software or applications team. We use a fancier term because it's more fun But delivering the solutions. So this has got three main groups, it's got the GIS group that's the team that does all the mapping and the asset management of the various city assets that are mapped then in the systems and producing the maps that the city and citizens use We have the applications development and support team, so this is how we either build or buy or decide which systems to buy if we're going to buy them. And then install them and get them integrated with our-with the rest of the city systems.

And then the data management and analytics is a fairly new arm of the solution delivery. In that group their intent is to do a more formalized data Making data into information so that it's actionable, so that we can use it to make good decisions. A couple of fun facts. Oh, did I? You know what? There we go. That's that that I just talked about. So sorry. I've got to get better. I'm doing it here and not there. Couple of fun facts about the Solutions Delivery Division for GIS. We map over 1,200 miles of roads The GIS team handles over 800 different, 800 service requests or tickets that were able to close in last year. So these are service requests or incidents and then we have 700 sorry 676 maps supported by the GIS team including over a thousand unique map layers.

The applications development support fun fact is there's over 350 applications that are used across the city so it's a lot to keep track of And for data management and analytics, we have over 450 distinct databases across the city. The next and last of the three groups, Infrastructure and Cybersecurity Division. So this has three groups to it as well. Service Desk, so these are folks you call when you have a problem. They get cell phones set up, they get computers set up, they help get accounts set up.

And if you have a problem that's the number you call And they're kind of our first line of defense for solving problems. The next group is the infrastructure and network engineering, so this is the team that keeps all the buildings and all the different systems connected. So that's all the hardware and the cloud infrastructure for where we keep all of our data in our systems.

And the last one is the cybersecurity team, which is the team that I highlight frequently but it's...that's a team but the cyber security is a mindset that we use across all of IT. So it's not just the team that reviews software for is it safe or looks at monitoring dashboards to see like are we getting cyber attacks or anything like that. It's also a mindset across this, across the IT department.

And then a couple of fun facts about that. On the service desk side, we have 1,100 or over 1,100 end devices, so PCs, laptops. We have 1,300 mobile devices and there's 23 city buildings that have networking and related infrastructure. We have more city buildings than that but those are the ones that are internetworked. On the infrastructure and network engineering side, there's over 300 servers and 200 network devices.

And for cybersecurity we average about 25,000 cyber attacks a month so good thing we have some pretty good defenses in place. I wanted to hit on just a couple of recent accomplishments then I'll close out. On the infrastructure side that team is focused in a very large part on making enhancements for our cybersecurity. As I talked about a bunch of times, we also are undergoing a large scale program called infrastructure modernization where we look at a number of older systems in the city that are making sure that we're swapping them out for new and supported systems.

We have a PC refresh cycle that every year we change out approximately 20% of the city's PCs on a five-year cycle. We talked a little bit about that A few months back when we talked about the hardware and the vendors that we use for hardware. But, we do that to make sure that we're using current and currently supported equipment so that again from a cyber perspective that helps make sure that we've got well protected equipment.

We've also rolled out MS Office to everybody this year. And we've also implemented a network operation center, so this is a real time 24-7 monitoring system that is looking for any not only the cyber issues, we already had that but then this network operation center is the arm that monitors if a server is running out of space or if it's CPU is running high or things that are unexpected before a problem happens, we're trying to anticipate them early.

And then last on the application side, a few examples. I'll give you many more when we get to the budget later in the year and we sort of review the highlights for the year but working in conjunction with the police department to implement the Peregrine data integration and operations platform Finance working with credit card processing fees and implementing that.

Back to the police for upgrades to their 9-1-1 dispatch and record management system. Fire department implemented, we implemented a document management system with fire department. We assisted the police department with the drones as first responders. And we've made a number of GIS systems and applications in database upgrades. That's what I have for you tonight. If you have any questions?

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:04:06

Go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Rubin. Much appreciated on the overview for the work that your department does and all your teams. I just want to thank you for the posturing that the IT Department has done for cybersecurity. I think that that's one of the weakest points in security is the human factor in that And even with my comfort level and things technology related, I know I've even had to reach out to you sometimes with is this a legitimate email or I got this text message. It seems suspicious, but I want to make sure this didn't really come from our team. And so I just want to give my thanks to you and the folks who work with you on that because it's helpful to have folks in the know who are able to guide us in this. And again there is 1200-1300 other people who rely on you.

I recognize that. So I know it's not a small charge.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:05:03

My pleasure.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:05:04

Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:05:05

Thank You Mayor Pro Tem. Any other comments or questions? Good.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:05:09

Yes, on your page 50 slide the cybersecurity along with Mayor Pro Tem we get approximately 25,000 cyber attacks per month. To me that's staggering. Can you determine if it's pretty much the same people continually or is it random?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:05:29

You know our protection defenses see that and it's common for any website or any externally facing organization to have high cyber attacks Most of those are pretty easy to defend, so we don't bother trying to figure out who it is because it's just like a fly. You just swat it away. So most of those kind of things, we really don't need to know who it was because it's coming in such a way that it just clearly violates a rule that gets sort of defended right at the borders.

So yeah, we would only really be examining detailed attacks if they were if they were getting a little further. But our outer defenses right now have been working really well, so we haven't really need to get very thorough in examining where these things are coming from. At $25,000 you kind of need to let the system do its deal, right? Thank you very much.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:06:30

Any other questions or comments? I appreciate the presentation. Thank you very much. My pleasure, thank you. City Attorney, are you going up next?

PresenterChris PaytonProposed · by introduction1:06:49

Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem, members of the council. I'm Steve Fisher City Attorney presenting on the city attorney's office for you this early evening. So if we could bring the slide up thank you. So our office is staffed with eight attorneys and support staff. We provide legal counsel to the entire city organization And I'd like to divide what we do into three major categories, the transactional open meetings and records in litigation.

And I'd like to bring up Assistant City Attorney Elma Caron to talk about the transactional category.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:07:45

Good evening council members, Assistant City Attorney Elle McCarran and I'm going to go over to our next slide here. So this slide goes over basically our six general categories of the transactional work that we do and so you can see on there the categories contract review ethics advice day-to-day legal support everything that you would expect from essentially a general counsel and then following up We're going to get in depth on some of our contract and legislative work that we do for the city.

So, the City Attorney's Office, we create these city-wide contract templates, the professional service agreements, the on calls, the general service, the fleet maintenance agreements, public projects, design build agreements, amendments. You guys have all seen them coming to council for your approval. engage with support staff, city departments and other agencies and third party vendors to create a series of what I call one-off agreements. And these would be your sewer use agreements, cell tower agreements, interagency agreements, development agreements and franchise agreements as well as utility agreements.

We also prepare draft and assist departments in preparing and excuse me here ordinances and resolutions. And in 2025, we assisted and drafted 20 ordinances and we completed 75 resolutions. For 2026, we have about 21 ordinances in the queue so you'll be seeing a lot more of those over the next year and ordinances require a lot of thought and care. We have to interface with the public, we have to look at what other agencies are doing, we have to make sure that we're within the confines of the law, and we have to get buy-in from all of our departments that will be having to abide by or enforce these ordinances.

Next, we review every single agenda item that comes to you guys at council and committee. We are one of four departments in the city that review everything and we are looking for legal compliance with the Brown Act and making sure that everything that should be there is there. And we do that in conjunction with the City Manager of Finance and the City Clerk.

And last but not least, we draft lots of legal advice. Lots of opinions. We interpret city code state code and we assist with a lot of public requests complaints demands you name it when we are there like Rob. We also are a general council for a city of 1,800 employees give or take. We serve 33 different client departments and within those departments they're broken down even further into many divisions so we've got quite a bit of work coming through our office and now I'm going to go ahead and turn it over to my colleague Jason.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:10:54

Good evening, Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem, members of the council, Assistant City Attorney Jason Zaragoza. So as Elle said I'll be talking about our compliance with our open meetings laws as well as the California Public Records Act. So we provide advice on Brown Act related issues. As you know that is our Open Meetings Law that requires public posting of our agendas as well as the opportunity for the public to participate in these discussions with issues that come before you.

So we not only provide Brown Act advice to the City Council, but also to all of our citizen advisory groups in the city. Right? So everything from our Parks and Rec Commission to our Arts Commission to the committees that you all have as well and our Planning Commission. In addition to your kind of day-to-day Brown Act compliance issues that we address, we also provide training to our various CAGs as well on the Brown Act.

But as we like to say the Brown Act is a floor not a ceiling so it provides minimum state requirements for compliance with state law. The City Council in 2019 adopted the Sunshine Ordinance that requires our agendas to be posted 12 days in advance of a meeting seven days in advance of committee meetings, as well as the meetings of other policy bodies. So your CAGs etc., and then we also have Measure M adopted by the voters in 2020 so we provide compliance with that as well.

In addition to Brown Act related issues, as Elle briefly stated, we also provide conflict of interest advice to our public officials Whether it's compliance with government code section 1090, so you cannot be financially interested on both sides of a contract. Common law conflicts of interest as well as political reform act issues and we seek advice or assist you all with seeking advice from the FPPC, the Fair Political Practices Commission when necessary.

In addition to that, we provide compliance advice with the California Public Records Act which is the California's equivalent to FOIA, the federal law on the disclosure of records. We are required as a public agency to make public records available to members of the public upon request either for inspection or providing the records and the statute lays out you know there is a timing aspect temporal aspect to that as well In 2025, we assisted with processing 1,210 California Public Records Act requests. That does not mean that there were just 110...1,210 items. Many of these requests contain multiple subparts right? So one request might really seek 10 different record series 12 different record series or whatever We switched to the Next Request California Public Records Act portal last year that allows members of the public to log on to a website, submit a California Public Records Act request and then our public records advocate seeks those records from various departments.

They come back to us eventually for review for potential exemptions because the California Public Records Act contains many exemptions as you can imagine confidential information or communications between our attorney's office and our clients Medical information, utility billing information. There's a number of exemptions under the Act so it's necessary for us to review many of those requests and we don't have that much data for this year but I can tell you from January of last year we had received 63 California Public Records Act requests in January of this year alone we received 121 Public Records Act requests and we assist with compliance and review of each of those items. And with that I'll kick it back over to Al.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:14:43

And I'd like to talk to you about the other category that we handle, and that's litigation. And so we do have a limited in-house litigation capacity. We are currently in the process of building that up with our two new deputy hires. So we do have a lot more staff and attorney level staff that is experienced in litigation. So we're very excited about that. And so right now we have processed, this is looking back for 2025. We've processed 123 subpoenas. We have approximately 21 active litigation matters that are being handled by the city attorney's office or in conjunction with special and outside counsel and those run the gamut from writs contract disputes eminent domain sorry, groundwater and water rights just to name a few of those categories.

In 2025 the office handled 11 employment related matters arbitrations per board matters and then we are currently overseeing outside counsel on 38 separate public liability cases and that's about it for litigation

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:16:09

Good evening Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem, members of Council. Deputy City Attorney Andrew Gonzalez in addition to the information that Al provided the city attorney's office helps city departments prepare for administrative hearings and also represents city departments in administrative hearings. The city attorney's office has been involved with 33 administrative citation hearings in fiscal year 2024-2025 As an example of a Just Cause Eviction Ordinance administrative hearing, in July 2025 the City red-tagged the property due to an electrical fire.

Hoarding conditions and multiple people not providing a termination notice. As a result of that, valid just cause reason was required here specifically a 60-day notice and relocation assistance should have been provided because of this the city issued citations for violations of the Just Cause Eviction Ordinance. The property owner as a result Appealed the citation and the case proceeded to an administrative hearing. The hearing officer upheld all of the violations, determined the displaced individual qualified for no fault termination, and ruled that the tenants are entitled to $5,000 relocation assistance.

The relocation payment was paid to tenants and the case was closed. This just shows an example of the importance of administrative hearings in our office assisting here, the housing department for this specific situation. Gun violence restraining orders are also known as GBROs. The city attorney's office works with the Oxnard Police Department to obtain gun violence restraining orders when appropriate to help protect residents of Oxnard. GBRO is a complicated process that a limited number of individuals, including law enforcement officers can file which requires clear and convincing evidence to obtain. A GBRO is a court order designated temporary restraining order that prevents someone who is considered a danger to themselves or to others from having firearms or ammunitions.

A GVRO can last from one year to five years. There also is the option of renewing a gun violence restraining order if the individual shows that they're a danger to themselves or others within the time period of the order. In partnership with the Oxnard Police Department, the City Attorney's Office has filed 23 gun violence restraining orders in fiscal year 2024-2025.

An example of a gun violence restraining order is shown by on October 20th 2025 I appeared for the Oxnard Police Department at a gun violence restraining order hearing against respondent who called 911 claiming that there was someone inside of his residence armed with a firearm Causing respondent to arm himself with a loaded firearm. Three of respondents roommates were at the residence at the time of this incident, a total of nine officers including two sergeants initially responded and found no such person inside the resident armed with a firearm.

Officers observed respondent to show signs and symptoms of being under the influence of a controlled substance, and later located a small plastic container with a white powder-like substance residue suspected to be cocaine at the residence inside of a gun safe that respondent agreed to let the officers inspect. The judge then granted my five year gun violence restraining order That expires on October 20th, 2030 given that the respondent displayed paranoia erratic behaviors and objective signs of being under the influence of a controlled substance when he claimed that there was someone inside of his residence armed with a firearm causing him to arm himself with a loaded firearm posing a danger to both himself and all of his roommates at the residence.

Additionally, the Oxnard Police Department issued citations for violations of Oxnard City Code Section 7-320 and 7-320A. Oxnard City Council approved these October 1st 2019. The city attorney's office has bi-monthly meetings with the Oxnard Police Department and various Oxnards service providers such as One Stop with the goal that the chronic offenders receive services before even thinking of filing a misdemeanor complaint In partnership with the Oxnard Police Department, the City Attorney's Office files misdemeanor complaints for chronic offenders of these sections. The goal here of filing these complaints is not punitive. It is so the defendant receives services.

One option to provide services through filing a misdemeanor complaint is judicial diversion. If a judge orders judicial diversion, the defendant will be given a period of time typically about six months to continuously attend services that are agreed upon at the hearing such as housing services, at which time if they successfully follow the judicial diversion terms, the case will be dismissed at that point. In fiscal year 2024 to 2025, the City Attorney's Office has filed six new quality of life cases, resolved four successful judicial diversion cases and has 14 pending quality of life cases that were previously filed. Sometimes these individuals don't show up at court so it goes out to warrant In addition to that, there is code enforcement warrants during fiscal year 2024-2025.

The City Attorney's Office has filed four inspection warrants and one abatement warrant. Additionally, one new inspection warrant was filed at the very end of December.

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PresenterChris PaytonProposed · by introduction1:22:01

That concludes our presentation and as you can see, the city's attorney's office covers a lot of ground in different areas. Not just what you see with you and I interacting during your meetings or your committee meetings with the other attorneys that staffed those meetings. Lots of other work going on and we'd be happy to entertain any questions.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:22:24

Thank you Mr. Fisher. Are there any questions or comments? Go ahead Council Member Parnell.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:22:30

I'd like to thank each and every one of you that made a presentation here. As a council member, and I'm sure the rest of my council members get the same information, there are certain individuals, some elected in this community, that continually complain about the public records not getting what they want. And I appreciate the individual that does that work. Why was a decision made to bring someone on board to specifically handle public records requests?

PresenterChris PaytonProposed · by introduction1:22:58

Well, it was largely volume driven and maybe Jason you can chime in as well. But the amount of the records requests have they've grown over the past few years and frankly lately becoming more and more complex with the advent of artificial intelligence helping people in making those requests and sometimes making them as complicated as they can get.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:23:26

Okay

PresenterChris PaytonProposed · by introduction1:23:26

thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:23:27

This and I do appreciate the difference in discrepancy January 25 January 26 double numbers With respect to the other issue that came up about gun violence Is there an opportunity you could put restraining orders is there an opportunity when somebody has the mental? There's something wrong To confine them The

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:23:57

gun violence restraining order specifically prohibits the individual from having either a firearm and a firearm and or ammunition. In the scenario that you provided, if there was a scenario where an individual was saying that they were going to harm themselves we could move forward with a restraining order so that they could not move forward with that. They would be prevented from having firearms from one year to five years.

PresenterChris PaytonProposed · by introduction1:24:25

So that's the purpose of the GVRO I think what you're referring to is something that the DA's office would address with Incarceration or a commitment of somebody for some mental health services. That's not what our office addresses.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:24:43

With respect to the gun restraining order, do we have the ability as Oxnard to go into an address and see if there is guns there like probation department?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:24:55

After we received the restraining order or the facts leading up to the restraining order. So I understand

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:24:59

that there is a restraining order against person from having a gun

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:25:02

so we have

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:25:03

the ability go into the home find out if there is a gun?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:25:05

So no, unless details come out where the police department is informed that they have a firearm what happens once you get the gun violence restraining order it goes into a clit system which is nationwide to alert any officer This individual should not have firearms in addition to that if we know that they have a registered firearm They need to provide that information To the court at the time of the hearing

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:25:33

Thank you, and my last question is page 40 of the thing and again appreciate your responses. I am aware of a residential In Cabrillo neighborhood that has an issue with hoarding problem, but the individual has gotten senior services protection from the county. How does it work when we have a problem site address and all of a sudden they have protection from the county for senior services whose authority rises to the top?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:26:00

Well so for at least the purposes of going in with an inspection are you going towards the warrant portion forcing

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:26:07

them

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:26:07

to clean up Well, so we could not force them to clean up with an inspection warrant first We need to go forward with an inspection warrant Receive details based off that inspection warrant if they are in violation from any section of our code And if that ends up being the case we can go forward separately with an abatement warrant I think that's that's what you're getting. That's what I believe yeah, so that is an option

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:26:30

okay? Thank you very much again. Thank you all from the attorney's office. I appreciate the work the City Attorney's Office is doing thank you

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:26:40

Just a quick question, Mr. Gonzalez and I think Councilor Perrello alluded to it as well. If somebody is worried regarding gun violence restraining orders if somebody is concerned about an individual's current mental state or mental health or their just general demeanor or even a person who's concerned about themselves how do they initiate that process? Who do they contact? Is it Oxnard PD or how does someone Start that process if they're concerned about someone who has access to firearms.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:27:10

From the city's perspective, we would have to go through the Oxnard Police Department because there is a small list of individuals that can move forward with a gun violence restraining order. One of them is a law enforcement officer but if you're asking separate from the city, there is a laundry list of other individuals that can move forward but the city's doing it and it has to go through the police department first.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:27:31

Okay, thank you. And so just wanted that for the public if someone is concerned about somebody's current state and they know that person has access to firearms, you know? It sounds like we should contact the police department to express that concern and they can evaluate that potential process. Is that right? Yes, that's correct. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mayor.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:27:51

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. Any other questions or comments? Okay. Thank you everyone from City Attorney's Office. Thank you very much for this wonderful presentation Alex, I'll turn it over to you next.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:28:02

Thank You Mr. Mayor so we did get a bit of a late start the city manager's department presentation takes an hour But if I sit here, I'll get through in 15 minutes. How is that? Diego can you bring up the slides please So as a reminder, we've been conducting these series of departmental workshops and we still have a few more to do To Inform the Council and the public and re-inform of the essence of what our departments do. So these are not meant to be detailed whatsoever, they're much too brief for that.

Like the majority of cities in California we operate as a general law city under the council manager form of government. Almost all cities in California operate under these rules So our part of the org chart you can see here, we have one city manager, two assistant city managers and a deputy city manager. And we oversee almost all of the city's departments. We have a city treasurer and a city clerk that while the individuals are elected, the city manager is responsible for the staff as part of the administration.

So I'm going to pause here and just give everyone a sense of all the work that happens. And as you've been listening to these various workshops in all the departments, so look at the departments we have here. Housing, Community Development, Police, Human Resources, Finance and IT Public works, fire, cultural and community services. What does that say? Communications.

And disaster preparedness. I need more new glasses. So just the amount of work every day on a daily basis in this city probably 10,000 actions whether it's a paper transaction an electronic one In-person interaction with a member of the public, business meetings what have you. So many things happen on a daily basis to keep this city, this town running every day 24 7 and if you think about it in other segments of the community a lot of these departments are their entire Their entire lines of business is on their own.

Whether it's a law firm, an engineering firm, a planning firm, an HR firm, a tech firm, and IT firm and what have you. So the amount in the diversity of the work that we perform for this city is pretty extraordinary. And that all needs to be coordinated And they all have to collaborate. They all, for the most part, have to share the same resources in order to get what they need to get done accomplished for this community.

And with regard to our staff, the amount of training and experience and education and knowledge and wisdom they have is enormous when you add it all together. So just I want you all to appreciate how much that happens. But on a day-to-day basis, many of you and many of us just focus on the issues of that day. But remember in the background, all this happens all the time. It's pretty an amazing body of work that is collected into one organization.

So what do we do? We oversee day-by-day We do our best to implement the City Council's policies. And this is, again, all these workshops are designed to lead up to later this spring when we will be asking you to update the City Council's priorities for the community. Of course, we manage the budget. There is community business outreach. It's a series of things that we do working with our various partners both in the private sector and other institutions in the public sector.

A couple of things I want to highlight here in terms of our responsibility over all the departments is leadership. That is, for any organization, leadership is the most important thing. More so than technical expertise, more so than education, more so than training, more so than everything. The rise and fall of any organization of any size comes down to leadership.

And then my favorite area, landmine detection. And this is natural in an organization of this age. You're always going to find out, uncover problems from the past, some recent and some decades ago. And when you do, you simply have to address it head on. We also do the communications and marketing A series of community events, legislative services, neighborhood services and a whole lot of project management. There's a whole list here as we stated in the video.

Please look at this if you're interested and you can look at the PowerPoint one slide at time or in the video you can actually press pause. There's just a lot happening across the city. Many of these things our office needs to coordinate And some of it is interesting and a lot of fun. Some of it is quite boring but necessary, but we have to do it all. This is interesting. I think most local governments have the same thing, but that's the progression of our website. So you can see most recently it's up-to-date and modern like most cities, but as you can see not long ago it looks like the original Craigslist Crowded, cluttered, difficult to navigate but making progress.

There is actually new state law that has more demands on how our websites need to interact for the public so we're gonna get on top of those new requirements for this year. Increasing our attraction on social media as much as we all love social media It's a tool, so we try our best to use it as pragmatically as we can. Lots of highlights about what our office has been able to accomplish over the years again just view this hit pause many more Some highlights of some of the large grants that we have received over the years to add to our local resources, to provide programs and services for the community.

Again, just so many to go into. Very proud of a lot of this work. I hope people will take the time to look at this to get a bigger picture of everything that we do as a city here And then, of course, we have a lot of challenges recently and ahead of us. In the video I actually tried playing that thinking music from Jeopardy!, but it didn't record. Somehow the YouTube gods knew not to play that music. So again this is online please take your time and go through this, there's a lot. There's a lot. And these are just the highlights.

And that is to say there's always much, much more. And that's it. That was a fast one-hour presentation. Thank you.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:36:42

Thank you, Mr. Wynne. Any questions or comments? Madam Clerk, do we have any public speakers on any of the appointment items?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction1:36:50

Mayor and Council Members, we do not have any public speakers for the appointment item in person or virtually. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:36:57

Thank You Madam Clerk Good evening everyone it's at this time that I want to call The meeting to order for the Oxnard City Council for Tuesday February 3rd 2026 Madam Clerk may we have the roll call and posting of the agenda please?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction1:37:17

Council Member Peralta The

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:37:18

agenda

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction1:37:19

for this meeting was posted in the kiosk at City Hall, the Oxnard Public Library, the city administrative

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:37:24

offices

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction1:37:24

and on the city's website on

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:37:26

Thursday

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction1:37:26

January 22nd. And the amended agenda on Wednesday January

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:37:30

28th.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction1:37:30

Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:37:48

Go ahead, Council Member. Point of personal privilege. Is there a way to turn up the temperature a

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:37:52

little bit?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:37:55

I'm seeing lots of other people here that are just freezing and I'm one of them as well. Yeah,

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:38:01

I might take you up on that. I'll make that quick fix. Thank you. It's at this time we're going to go to the Pledge of Allegiance followed by a moment of silence. We'll take a moment of silence for today we have the funeral services for our former commander Scott Aaron and councilmember I know you mentioned another gentleman. I think that passed as well Bill Terry take a moment of silence for mr.. Bill Terry As well, and also we had another loss for from our police department We'll take a moment of silence for her as well And I'll turn over to you as well mayor Porter if you want introduce the young

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:38:40

Yes, thank you Mayor. We have Vanessa Villa from the Boys and Girls Club of Greater Oxnard in Port Hueneme who will be leading us in the Pledge Allegiance tonight followed by a moment of silence and then she will tell us a little bit about her journey so I'll turn it over to Vanessa.

CommentVanessa VillaProposedself-stated1:38:54

Okay right hand over your heart please repeat after me. I pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. You may sit back down or... We're just going to take a moment

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:39:21

of silence for Ms. Valetti. She was my former high

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:39:25

school teacher, was a long-time educator and also worked at the Austin Police Department as a second career. And we

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:39:31

just recently lost Ms. Pamela Thornton, also a longtime police employee Tragically died from a medical condition recently. Today we buried our Commander Scott Aaron as well, so here's a city we've been hit hard and also Mr. Terry as well. So I'll take a moment of silence for them, thank you. Thank you everyone, thank you. I apologize, Vanessa. We'll turn it over to you. Thank you.

CommentVanessa VillaProposedself-stated1:40:13

Hello, everyone. My name is Vanessa Villa. I am a member of the HHS Boys and Girls Club Teen Center. I am 18 years old and a senior at Options for Youth Charter High School. I have been attending the teen center for over three years. And growing up my parents divorced when I was just three. So I grew up in two separate households. And both my parents had to juggle multiple full time jobs while raising my sister and I. My mom had us on the weekdays and she regularly worked the graveyard shift and would be incredibly tired during the day.

Even then, she still made the effort to take my sister and I to museums, plays, and incredible road trips. My dad then had us on the weekends. He would also find the time to take us to the park even though he worked. My favorite part was playing tag. Even though they were great parents, it frustrated me that we couldn't just get along and be a united family. While other kids celebrated birthdays and Christmas with their whole families my home was split in two.

They told me it was amazing that I got to celebrate twice but in reality it was exhausting. I had to pretend that it didn't bother me that my family disliked each other so much. I had to pretend their hurtful words meant nothing but it always did. I would hide my discomfort by cracking jokes and trying my best to make my family laugh. As I got older, I became more vocal about what I liked and disliked with the help of jokes.

The older I got, the more difficult it was to fight and hide my depression and anxiety. Since I was getting older, my family just thought I was being a moody teenager but in reality, I hated myself and I was angry. I remember my aunt would ask if I was okay when I would go quiet when we were with family. She always stood up for me when someone would upset me, and she taught me that speaking up is the best thing to do for yourself and for others who don't have a voice. She helped me become the person I am today by carving a path for me.

Anywhere she went, I was with her. We were very alike. So much so people assume we were mother and daughter. I loved how close we were. In 2019, I noticed a change in her. She was losing her vibrancy and at the same time, I was struggling to overcome the sadness that polluted my entire body. I was so confused when she started speaking the way I was thinking May 7th 2020 My mom came home sobbing that day. She was apologizing profusely to me.

I Was terrified because my mom never cried The night before, at 10 p.m., my aunt had committed suicide. She told me my aunt's sister found her in the guest room with a gun in her hand. My heart broke. I didn't know she was doing that badly and from that day forward, my depression just spiraled more out of control. After her funeral, I began to have nightmares and they were so vivid and intense, I would wake up sobbing and covered in sweat.

I dreaded having to sleep To escape them, I wouldn't sleep endless nights. But that caused my anxiety to just worsen. My entire life began to deteriorate. I neglected school, my family and myself. I didn't eat nor did I leave my bed. My loneliness made me form hurtful habits to cope. My dad's side of my family would try to cheer me up but they were also dealing with the grief of losing my aunt.

It was hard for all of us That was how I lived for a few years, but my mom never gave up while searching for something to spark me back to life. She discovered the Boys and Girls Club of Oxnard in Port Wainimi. It was April 19th when I begged her not to take me But I unknowingly began a new chapter in my life and it is something that I am eternally grateful for. On my very first day, I was so anxious and terrified but I also met my best friend Ethan as well as all the Boys & Girls Club staff. I felt myself slowly come back to life.

I was making jokes again and connecting with everyone at the Teen Center. I felt my confidence gradually being restored. I can now work with others, make new friends and participate in the programs. Opportunities opened to me I never thought were possible. I filmed and volunteered for the gala, attended and was part of the roast parade not once but twice. And I even became kindness ambassador of the year. I also won the 2025 youth of the year which gave me a $10,000 college scholarship I got to go to Sacramento to advocate for the Boys and Girls Club alongside my peers. I gave my speech and told my story at events just like this one.

Although many opportunities were provided to me, I also wanted to make sure that give back to my community. In our kindness club we hosted the Kindness Pop-Up Restaurant which to this day I remember as one of my favorite days of giving back. My peers and I provided over a hundred meals for our community I am forever grateful to not just the Boys and Girls Club, but also my mom who pushed me to do something new. And my teen center has taught me the importance of authenticity, empathy, kindness, and community. I don't even want to imagine where I would be if I never became a member.

I want to take a moment to thank everyone at the Boys and Girls Club Teen Center, Lena, Alexis, Oscar, and even some other members who helped me fight against my depression in their own unique ways. And for that, I will forever be in their debt. I hope other youth and teens take the time to explore your nearest Boys & Girls Club because it is more than just an after-school program. It is a life changing and a place that fosters growth, creativity, a sense of belonging and shared community. I want to thank all of you and our city council for allowing me to share my story today. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:46:38

Thank you so much, Vanessa for sharing and that's an incredible journey. And it's always for me a reminder of the many young people out there who are facing so much and still stay resilient and find the people and the places in the programs that are offered through our community to help them through that. And I'm so grateful that you found that through Boys & Girls Club and through other family members and friends as well. And this is just this point. Imagine the many, many more things that you will do. So thank you so much. I'm wondering if you want to introduce the folks who are here with you this evening?

CommentVanessa VillaProposedself-stated1:47:16

Today we have one of our CEOs, Aaron. We have Alexis, you know, just accompanying me to be here. So I don't, because I'm not here by myself. That's all right. Yeah, they're really important people in our Boys and Girls Club and they help it run.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:47:38

So, and before I turn it back to you Mayor for the certificate, I'll just share. And I know that the Boys & Girls Club staff are well aware of this and I always appreciate the times we get to dialogue and collaborate on items but when it comes to resiliency for young people, when young people have someone who genuinely cares for them and has a caring relationship they have opportunities for meaningful participation and someone who has high expectations of them The presence of those three things can just help a young person overcome almost anything that they face, regardless of background, home environment, community challenges, personal history. Those three things from adults, especially multiple adults in your life and peers help you to be able to withstand almost anything that's facing.

It sounds like that's what you've received, and so thank you again for sharing that. So I'll turn it over the mayor who has something for you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:48:37

Yes, I have a certificate. I'm just very thankful to the Boys & Girls Club. for the profound impact they have on young people. And certainly you're a model of resiliency, Vanessa. And I'm just excited to see what your life ends up becoming. So I've got a certificate for you if you want to come up here and welcome to bring whoever you like to come up here for some photographs and to recognize you formally. Thank you.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:49:50

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:51:31

For this next item, this is the proclamation for Black History Month. If I can have the organizations that are present here to receive a proclamation if you could just come up? This is a time that is reserved. You know look, I'm just so proud and honored to be here as the mayor of Oxnard proclaiming February as Black History Month. This is a time that we set aside to recognize as a community, the profound contributions, the profound impact and how significant they've been from our black community in shaping the history of our nation and our community. So I'm just honored to present the various organizations with this proclamation.

And February's a time that we can set aside to inform the rest of our community about the tremendous achievements that our black community has made Nice to see you

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:52:38

again ma'am, how are you? Vince, how you doing? Hello

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:53:05

sir, good to see you. How are you? Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:53:30

I think

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:53:31

we have all the organizations up here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:53:35

Yeah, come

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role1:53:37

on up. I'm just going to make some brief remarks and then I'll hand it over to some of you, if you're certainly welcome to speak. I'm just honored to be here as the Mayor of the City of Oxnard In this particular time, we certainly know the pressures that our country is in and our community with the activity that we've seen in our nation. But to me, to be able to sit here as I was signing the proclamations, it's, I'm just honored to proclaim here in this city February being Black History Month. It's a time that has been set aside to recognize the significant and profound contributions that our African American community has made in shaping this nation and shaping our community.

Oftentimes their history has not been told the way it should have been, and I'm just so glad back President Ford, I think early on back in 1926 that Harvard educated. Woodson was the one that pushed for the black history to be recognized and it was formally recognized in 1976 by President Gerald Ford at the time here in the United States and in Canada. And here in our community we certainly know the impact that our black community has made so this is a time to really honor the history of the achievements of our black community from scientists, politicians, educators and local leaders, and the significance that they have made in shaping our community and our nation. So it really is my honor to present this proclamation proclaiming February as Black History Month.

And February was, you know, it's not only, well, it's my birthday too in February but... I know it's the smallest month. Then I was at a comedy show and they were talking about one of the black comedians, why February? It has been the shortest month. So I did some research and learned that February is because of Abraham Lincoln and also Frederick Douglass, and that was why February was selected as Black History Month. But thank you for allowing me to make these remarks. And I will pass the mic over to anyone of you who wants to speak right next to me.

PresenterSonia Contandelocal chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha SororityProposedself-stated1:56:20

Good evening, I am Sonia Contande. I'm the president of the local chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Xi Kappa Omega Chapter and it is a great honor and humility that I accept this Black History Month proclamation on behalf of our organization. This recognition is more than just a document. It's a living testament to the struggles triumphs and contributions of African Americans throughout our nation's history. Black History Month was, as you said before, introduced 100 years ago by historian and author Dr. Carter G. Woodson to recognize black history as a week so now we have a month It reminds us of courage of those who came before us, the leaders, the visionaries and everyday individuals who paved the way for justice, equality and opportunity.

From the resilience of Harriet Tubman to the leadership of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and the countless unsung heroes in our neighborhoods, their legacies continue to guide and inspire us. So on behalf of our community, this proclamation is also a call to action. It urges us to continue learning, uplifting, supporting one another so that the stories and contributions of black Americans are never forgotten nor confined to a single month but celebrated throughout the year. We have a saying 365.

On behalf of the community, I also want to give sincere thanks to the mayor, to the city of Oxnard for this meaningful recognition. Together let us honor the past, embrace the present and build a more inclusive and equitable future. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:58:21

Here we go. Just want to say thank you to the City of Oxnard, to the city council and all the residents. To me this is even deeper than what has been said in other words this shows that Oxnard includes us all together as one people it's not necessarily Black History Month but it's history And so I see this as that and on behalf of organizations that we all represent up here, we thank you for this honor. And I see this is an opportunity for us to continue to grow, to develop synergy between all of our cultures and races.

And that it's not again just you over there and us over there but it's all of us together forging ahead to do something and I just see a wonderful future for us in Oxnard.

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PresenterLakeisha WhiteVentura County alumnae chapter of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Incorporated and IProposedself-stated1:59:17

Hi, I'm Lakeisha White. The current president of the Ventura County alumnae chapter of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Incorporated and I echo everything that has already been said but you touched on something mayor when you said There's a lot of unsung heroes, and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that our chapter has been serving Ventura County for 45 years. And we're extremely proud of that, and we want to continue to leave that indelible footprint within our community. So we serve this community, and we're proud to be a part of a collection of other organizations that do the same. of like-mindedness, so on behalf of our organization and the ones represented on this stage and those that aren't we also humbly accept this proclamation. Thank you

CommentAngela LandersProposedself-stated2:00:10

Hi, my name is Angela Landers. I'm one of the co-chairs along with Julia Dixon for Juneteenth and I want to thank the City of Oxnard for their support. I also want to make mention of our Juneteenth celebration, our 35th Anniversary is going to be June 20th, 2026. And it's on a Saturday and we are looking for the community to join us in celebrating freedom. It's so relevant and more so during this time. So again, we appreciate the community support The mayor and the council, and we look forward to seeing our citizens of Ventura County help us celebrate Juneteenth. So again, June 20th, 2026.

And I appreciate all our organizations up here representing the African-American community. So thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:01:24

Anybody else?

PresenterSonia Contandelocal chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha SororityProposedself-stated2:01:29

I just want to announce on February 28th, we will hold the 40th African American Speech Expo. It will be held at Thurgood Marshall High School at 1 p.m.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:01:47

Thank you everybody so much for this honor. We appreciate it, we invite you to join us in our upcoming celebrations this Saturday at the Museum of Ventura County. There's an event I think it's called Paint My History? Paint My Story. There is also as mentioned the 20th Centurionics Club debutante ball annual debutante ball at the end of this month Juneteenth on June 20th and There will be a couple of elections this year, too. Don't forget to show up for those on June 2nd and November 3rd.

Since I have the mic, I'm going to give a plug for the County Clerk & Recorder's special Valentine's Day event next Saturday. Besides elections, we're also mostly known for weddings, and Valentine's Day is the busiest wedding day of the year. But it's on a Saturday and we figured let's open for a couple of hours so that we can provide that service for the community. It's an affordable wedding option, just $60 and you get a beautiful ceremony but it is going to be one group ceremony. So everybody's gonna come in and we'll just marry them all at the same time.

Thank you!

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:03:14

Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:03:33

We have three more. Any others? Am I missing anyone? OK, yeah. These are all originals. Well, I've got two more. Yeah. How's this? OK. If you can do it, that's right.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:04:07

And here we go. Ready, ready. No blinking on three. One, two, three. No blinking on three. One, two, three. Got it. One more. Ready? One, two, three. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:04:59

Thank you very much.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:05:25

Partnership received, families in care.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction2:05:35

So we're going to call up folks to receive the Parent Leadership Month proclamation. So the organization representatives from Partnership for Safe Families and Communities, and they're going to receive this proclamation listed on February 2026. Parent leadership is an essential and effective means of strengthening families and preventing child abuse and neglect. And parent leadership is successfully achieved when parents receive support and training, and shared responsibility expertise in leadership in the planning implementation oversight and evaluation of policies practices and programs that affect families and communities. And whereas Parents Anonymous Inc was created the National Parent Leadership Month celebration In February to recognize this extraordinary courage and tenacity of parents who have reached out to make improvements in their families and communities.

And the City of Oxnard recognizes the vital importance of parenting, of partnering with parents and assisting assist public systems and private organizations policy makers and other key stakeholders to implement parent leadership strategies effectively Whereas Ventura County Parent Voices has provided invaluable work in the community with the Partnerships for Safe Families and Communities. And whereas, Ventura County's Parents' White Voices partners with the Coastal Tri-Counties and Child Abuse Prevention Councils to bring regional alignment that has been recognized by UnitedParents, Interface, Human Agencies, Kids and Families Together, First Five, and MICOP. Now therefore our Mayor, Louise MacArthur of the City of Oxnard does proclaim the month of February as Parent Leadership Month.

Let's give it up for a big round of applause

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:07:14

Thank you so much. It is such an honor and we are very humbled to stand before you. Thank you, Mayor, city officials, community members and parents. Parents are at the center of leadership in our community. These are individuals who have dedicated their lives and their time to helping other families navigate our systems Navigate when times can be difficult, all families go through adversity. But our parent leaders have learned that they're going to take their rain and turn it into rainbows. They may have clouds but they always have sunshine after. And they help other parents navigate our systems.

This proclamation is more than just an award, it's a recognition that the City of Oxnard and Ventura County as a whole values the voices of parents with lived experiences and diverse ways that we've walked through our journeys. And how we can help each other when we listen to the voice of parents our communities get stronger And it's important that the parents who raise the children, who become our citizens are united, standing strong and helping each other to be safe, peaceful and healthy. Thank you so much on behalf of the Partnership for Safe Families and Communities and our parent leader team.

Would you like to say anything? Leo would you like to say anything? Okay all right thank you very much Okay, there you go.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:09:15

Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:09:55

We will now

move to the next item on the agenda. This is for public comments, for items not on the agenda. And we have four speakers here. Madam Clerk, do we have any online?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction2:10:09

Mayor and Council Members, we do not have any virtual speakers for items not on the agenda. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:10:15

Thank you. Thank you, Madam Clerk. We'll start with Mr. Pinedo followed by Sarah, Pastor Greg Runyon and Larry Stein.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:10:34

Mayor, council members, city manager and staff, Dan Pinedo, Rio Lindo resident not representing Rio Lindo today just a resident. The houses in North Oxnard known as College Park were built in the early 1950s The streets are named after Ivy League colleges. When the houses were built, the land was unincorporated Ventura County property. Later that track was annexed by the city of Oxnard. During its early years, the traffic through the main thoroughfare comprising of St. Mary's Drive, Princeton Avenue, Rio Lindo Drive, Snow Avenue and Gonzalez Road, the traffic was minimal New housing developments were established in northeast Oxnard, which have led to increased traffic on Gonzales Road and Oxnard Boulevard. As the result of this increase, motorists have resorted to using College Park streets as a shortcut to and from Gonzales Road and Vineyard Avenue.

The speed at which they travel has led to several accidents. In response to these accidents, Rio Lindo residents expressed their safety concerns to the city officials. In response, the City Public Works Department installed double yellow lines which have held. Pursuing further measures, residents along the thoroughfare requested speed humps. In response to that request, the City of Oxnard completed the installation of speed humps on January 28th, 2026 along St. Mary's.

I want to thank the city, the Oxnard Public Works Department and the installation crew for their work in installing the greatly needed safety devices I have sent photos to the Oxnard Public Works Department officials and to the city manager. Most of all, I want to thank the installation crew members Alexander Hernandez, Eric Ortega, Federico Melendez, John Baez, Marco Tapia and Santiago Padilla.

You know quite too often we come up here to complain and request that the city do things for us, but very seldom do people come up here and thank you. So I'm doing that not representing a real Lindo, but as a resident of Rio Lindo. And I spoke to several individuals there and they convey their thank you to me so I'm conveying theirs to you Also, I want you to consider installing comps on El Menor also. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:13:59

Good evening, Mayor McArthur and City Council and city staff. I am going to keep this brief. I just wanted to update you guys on the statistics for the kidnappings of undocumented people in the 805 area code we have had 1571 kidnappings in Ventura County 834 and in Oxnard 144 these numbers are not necessarily where they are residents of, but where they have been kidnapped from.

And they keep growing so thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:14:38

Thank you Sarah. Pastor Greg Runyon.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:14:47

Mayor, council members. We had an incident at our church a few weeks ago where someone came in and they were in a mental health crisis. And fortunately, I've had a little bit of training in that and then a lot of life experience being in prison for 10 years having to deal with people. And so we got through that. But then I started thinking And even hearing Sarah when she talked and I'm going to say some things, but I think it's really important for some of you in leadership.

We all have a right to protest we all have a right to use language. We also don't have a right to worship and when they collide leadership is going to be important Because I being blunt, like people have a right to stand up say what they want to do. That's freedom of speech. You do not have freedom of consequence and we are starting to live in a world where we're telling people say what you want to say because you have that right but you also have to understand people have the right to disagree. People have the right to assemble and I am telling you I have the right as a pastor In our church, to believe that in my exercising my right that does not give you the right.

To express your views to where conflict becomes whatever we have to learn how to get along. To resolve and to do conflict without whoever agitates the most wins. That's not what this country ever was founded on. And right now we live in a world where most of us don't like the way things are being done. The way to resolve those is not by agitating more, it's by protesting smart. It's by worshiping smart. It is by living smart.

I believe with all my heart that we've got to figure out how to help one another, not hurt one another. And as leaders some of you are going to have to do things that you may not personally agree with but that protect the rights of others and right now we're living in a world where if I want to protest and shut down a street that's okay Forget all the people that are driving who have nothing to do with it, but it's okay to do that because I'm expressing my right. Well, people have a right to drive. People have a right to travel. People have a right to shop and we've got to figure out how to protect the rights of all of our citizens not a few thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:17:52

Thank You pastor Mr. Larry Stein

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:18:07

Good

CommentLarry SteinProposedself-stated2:18:08

evening, Mr. Mayor, members of staff and the public. My name is Larry Stein. I've lived in Oxnard since 1988. Last Wednesday, I attended in person a Parks and Recreation CAG meeting. There's a presentation by staff on recent dates of projects. Staff handed out presentations I have a request to make. Capital Improvement Project for Parks and Recreation. I'm sure there are over 100 projects in there.

The public has a right to review these documents to make comments as to what they think are good projects, not bad projects or projects that deserve attention. The fact that staff refused to make these documents available speaks of the credibility of staff making an open and transparent government. I request that you be able to see these documents because they're not posted on the agenda, the agenda was downloaded but there's no link to a PDF for those documents. Again this is the open transparent government that we live in thank you very much.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:19:32

Thank You Mr. Stein Madam Clerk, are there any other speakers?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction2:19:38

Mayor and Council members that concludes our speakers in person and virtually for items not on the agenda. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:19:44

Thank You madam clerk

the next item on the agenda is Item H This is the report from our city manager Alex Nguyen. Go ahead Mr. Nguyen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:19:54

Thank You mr. mayor just a couple of quick things this week Diego can you bring up the deck Okay. Well, it's that time again. This is what you call a good problem to have. We are experiencing another weed super bloom. This is due to many, many days of good rain this winter. Again, it was a good problem to have. We will be chasing down the weeds around the city as fast as we can so we say be vigilant and let us know by utilizing the 311 app but also be patient. We can only get through so much at a time.

It's still fun How people pile into their cars to drive to the hills to see weeds on the hills, but they complain about the ones in town. But this is again a good problem to have because that means we had good rain this year. Next, this is our finance department and they have recently received another certificate of achievement for excellence in financial reporting presented by the Government Finance Officers Association Look at that group. What an exciting group of people and led by their fearless leader, El Matador. There he is.

Is he here? Oh, well, he's watching. OK, and then two more quick things. We had an interesting committee meeting this past week about the whistleblower program that came up. Some interesting discussion came up so we will That's actually going to be on the agenda, I think at the next council meeting. So we'll address come full circle without conversation and then just one random fact related to Black History Month recently Denise Graves retired and if you don't know who she is she is one of the if not the most That's it. Thank you.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:22:18

Now move to reports from our city council members. We'll start to my left with Councilwoman Perez, if you have anything to report?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:22:26

Thank you Mayor. Just a recap and report of all the activities that I'm continuing to work on as well as some of the updates on some of the meetings I've had I've had the opportunity to meet with staff to discuss crosswalk improvements at Haycox Elementary. I know there's quite a bit of a need there in terms of lighting and wanting to just make sure that there are safe I participated in the last meeting and had the opportunity to speak with community members directly about some of the updates and areas of improvement.

There is going to be a community meeting that is happening in South Winds, scheduled. I believe we're looking to modify the dates because there's many... We want to just be mindful of the workers there and particularly they oftentimes are available on Sundays so more details to follow. We initially had the date scheduled for Saturday but based off of some of the feedback there from community and wanting to make sure Enough participation and community input about some of the improvements that are coming there. We're looking to modify our schedule for an upcoming Sunday, perhaps at the end of February. So we'll definitely outreach that out to the community once the date and location is solidified.

I also wanted to thank Councilmember Peralo, I was unable to attend the Blackstock Neighborhood Council meeting. I was at another commitment with the city leading a meeting there and could not be present. And so a lot of the feedback that came out of that really just appreciate the support there. In light of MLK, I had the opportunity to speak at the MLK event hosted by our CCS team and really highlighted the power of interracial solidarity especially with some of the impacts that we're seeing right now in our community and to the importance of really having a unified front in making sure we acknowledge the safety and protection of all of our community members here.

I also wanted to share that I spoke at the World Wetlands Day, and also participated in the cleanup at Ormond on Perkins, and wanted to thank our community leaders including Coastal Keepers I want to thank the City Corps and all of the volunteers that continuously show up. It's more than just a World Wetlands Cleanup, I know they are frequently having events throughout the year and really couldn't do it without them. I know it took a group of community members who, you know, took it upon themselves to continue to protect and preserve a lot of the natural landscape in our community.

As a part of some of the updates I shared in my last report, one of my biggest commitments is to have conversations with a lot of our school points of contacts. A lot of our young people that are navigating through City Hall or family members that are navigating through City Hall are oftentimes in our school systems. And so I have a couple of meetings scheduled with additional administrators and principals in my district, and out of that, I was invited to participate in Elm School's elementary spelling bee and also got to serve as a judge and really excited to see two students advance to the Oxnard School District spelling bee. This Saturday we are going to be having a cleanup at Cardy Park at 8am, so if anybody's interested in coming out and participating, we'll definitely be there.

Our staff will be there. Unfortunately I won't be able to be there in person because I'm gonna be traveling for work but definitely wanted I'd like to thank the members of the public that spoke tonight. I had the opportunity with

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:27:04

Service for former commander of the Oxnard Police Department. Tremendous event, extremely impacting. The things that have been happening are the mayors of the cities of Ventura County elect various individuals to serve on organizations and I'm fortunate that I was elected to be the representative for the cities on LAFCO And I was elected to be the alternate representative for the Fox Canyon organization.

Coming up, there is a five neighborhood council meetings one at River Park February 11th six o'clock at Rio Vista Cabrillo neighborhood February 11th same date 630 at Emily Richon via Marina February 12th 630 Kristen McAuliffe school Rose Park February 12 seven o'clock Rose Avenue School and February 19th see view Wansoria School. All of these meetings are public if you look on the city's website, you can find these there are some tremendous presentations at some of these meetings You can go and you can learn something at a recent presentation of the Wilson Neighborhood Council There was an issue that came up having to do with waste And how the waste is handled in some of the ramifications That the City of Oxnard is under because of state mandates with respect to trash It was a warm Thank you, Mr.

Mayor. There's an opportunity for people to learn more than just watching a city council meeting. You can get out sometimes, you know we work and things but if there's something that you find on that agenda, get a weekly packet, you can subscribe to it, it's free. City doesn't sell your website address or email address but you can get the information and you can learn something straight from the horse's mouth. There's no three minute time limit.

Thank you very much Mayor, that's all I got.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:29:06

Thank you Council Member. Mayor Pro Tem?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:29:10

Thank you, Mayor. Councilwoman, I was actually in the spelling bee when I was in fourth grade and I placed third. You don't get a trophy or ribbon or anything for third but I will never forget how to spell the word trombone after that so... I have a couple of quick updates here and Councilwoman Perez had mentioned it as well, that we had our first official meeting with the Voices of Oxnard Youth on January 21st.

And that was the convening of the group and really doing some brainstorming on what those young people see as issues that they face in 2026 in the City of Oxnard And from there, we will look at different ways that they would like to try and highlight or address some of those issues that are brought up. And there's also a city effort that they wanted to take on that I invite the public to stay tuned on because it'll be a really great addition, I think, to how we recognize the City of Oxnard.

I also later that week ended up getting the flu that's going around and I encourage people to remember to rest and get a lot of fluids. But I appreciate that they had the meeting and there was a number of important items including the fire department being there. And so just want to thank them for holding that, and I apologize I wasn't able to attend. Plus that night had to figure out how do I go to South Bank and go to Rio Lindo's Neighborhood Council meeting in the same night but there, I didn't go to either of them. So I guess that's how that worked out.

As Councillor Perrello mentioned, I also attended the Wilson Neighbourhood Council meeting. I just want to give a congratulations to their new Executive Board. They had an election meeting and had a number of new people come on board on that executive function to be able to help plan out and guide what's happening within that neighbourhood council. And Councilor Perrello also mentioned that next week on February 11th, River Park will have their neighborhood council meeting. I just want to share some good news. The fountain at Central Park in River Park is once again operational and if folks want to go check it out they can see that it is working and being tested and in operation.

The fence is still around it temporarily while some trenching and some Edison last items have to be buttoned up But the fence will come down, as I understand by the end of this week. And then folks can take a look at that once again functional addition and amenity in River Park. And my last item here earlier this evening we had two really important ceremonial items and the parent leadership as Dr. Van Antwerp had mentioned very important Because there are many parents out there, especially in communities like Oxnard who face a number of challenges and hardships throughout their young adulthood and adulthood. Let alone the layer of having to raise kids navigate paying for housing go to work sometimes multiple jobs and that lived experience can lead to leadership when given the The right opportunities and I just want to acknowledge that.

But the other thing to hear is around Black History Month, and what the mayor had mentioned in the speakers had mentioned absolutely correct that the history that the African American community has contributed Nation, this community, communities all across the United States and around the world must be highlighted and recognized. But we have to not only continue to recognize and honor that but I personally believe we have to remember to call out and resist active efforts that are looking to erase that history or change that history of the many contributions that Black people have contributed to this nation and communities all across And so I hope that folks will continue to not only honor and recognize that, but also push back and resist the efforts that are actively happening now to erase that or change that history.

So I just wanted to take a moment to recognize that and thank you for the extra time here.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:33:30

Thank you very much. Absolutely. Councilwoman Bissau?

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction2:33:34

Thank you. I just want to take the opportunity to thank our public works team I want to make sure that we We had one of our speakers say today we always talk about the negative, but we never talk about the positive. And we're doing really good things, great things here and our staff is to be commended. Thank you.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:34:19

Thank you Councilwoman.

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction2:34:20

Council Member?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:34:23

Since our last meeting I attended a couple of Neighborhood Council meetings at Rio Lindo and La Colonia and as has been noted already there'll be Rose Park Neighborhood Council will be taking place on the 12th of February. in attendance there. A couple of things happening, kind of service-related I'd say. A young gentleman by the name of Colin Braza was asking if I could write a letter recommendation for him so that he could become an officer either in the Army or the Air Force which is what his dream is. He's very patriotic man who has always dreamed of being in the military. So I wrote that letter and I hope I hope it works.

I want to thank the speakers today. I do hope somebody from staff can talk to Mr. Stein and find out what it is that he's looking for as far as the CIP projects, if these are public records which I assume they are, I think you should be able to see them so I'm hoping that will be given to him forth quickly. I've had a complaint from, I think several of us have the same complaint from Mr. Castillo, Edward Castillo.

He was this was the day we had protesters at Five Points and he was trapped in his vehicle at Five Points and he was very upset that he felt that we didn't do enough to protect the public I think people have, certainly absolutely have a right to protest and we should defend that. But I think we also need to recognize that we shouldn't protest in a way that actually interferes with people's rights.

So I do not know what Oxnard PD's rules of engagement are when protesters are violating the law. I assume it's a very complex situation because you want to kind of like not fan the flames But at the same time, we need to figure out a way to defend the rights of others who are directly impacted by that if they're setting off fireworks in the middle of the street and they're blocking traffic.

Lastly I do have a request regarding how we handle dog barking incidents in this city. I'm aware of One situation where neighbors, two neighbors of an incessant barking dog have complained to the city and it seems like I haven't heard if there's been any action as a result of that. And I think we need to take it a little more seriously. I know that police have competing demands on their time but at some point when you've got A dog barking incident, which is going on for months and months and months. At some point I think it really needs to be addressed.

So I'm hoping that we can make some progress in that area. And if we need to revise our ordinances in any sort of way, we should look at that. But from what I can see today under our existing ordinance there's a particular procedure that we need to follow where we have a hearing officer and basically you have to tell them The person whose dog is having an issue. There's a process, but I'm concerned that we don't even follow the existing process. So I'm hoping that staff can look into them. Thank you.

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CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction2:38:17

Yes, I think my three main updates are I attended the Wilson neighborhood council And I appreciate the other two council members who were also there mayor pro tem and council member perello There was an excellent presentation by our environmental resource department and like Mr.. Perrello shared there was a lot of very rich conversation about just properly sorting our trash and I hope that the representative who was there from environmental resources could Go and do the same presentation in other areas as well, because it was very informative for me and many people in the room. They also established an ad hoc committee to work with city staff and code enforcement for Christmas Tree Lane so I look forward to progress over the next few months to have a more favourable Christmas Tree Lane experience for all.

I also attended the Kamala Neighbourhood Council and there was great conversations about just water and where we're getting our water as a city The Chair is doing an excellent job there trying to get more people getting civically involved, civically engaged. Last but not least I want to remind folks that I'm going to have my office hours at the library 11 to 1 p.m.. At the Oxnard Public Library on 8th Street so feel free to come and talk to your Councilwoman District 4.

And I know that I've had different community members ask about an update on our water issue for the main, the water main that was broken. I believe the last I heard was Thursday there should be... The road should be back in operation, Pleasant Valley. I forgot to cross street but yes. So yes feel free to reach out to us and we'll give as many updates as we have so thank you or if somebody can speak to that that'd be great.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:39:56

Thank You Councilwoman. I will just close with, you know, I always stay very busy. I'm very accessible so I deal with engaging with a lot of our community members in my office quite readily and assisting them where I can on various issues so I continue that practice but just some of the major highlights for me several members of staff including Our city manager, Mr. Nguyen attended with me where I was recognized by the West Ventura County Business Alliance. I was given the Chair Award of Excellence for my commitment for working with small businesses and bringing small businesses into our city. You may see me oftentimes at ribbon cuttings but it's not just showing up for a ribbon cutting, it's everything that leads to that. It's enticing businesses to come to our city to invest in our city and then helping them with the permit process so they can open up timely, recognizing that they make tremendous contributions and investments to try to open up a business in our city.

So I'm grateful for that and I'm grateful for our city staff being digital and progressive in trying to get these businesses opened timely. And so I was recognized for my efforts with that. And also for working with the Western Interior County Business Alliance as well as with the Lodging Association we were successful in bringing in Casey Currant It's the Kansas City Current girls pro team that is staying at the State Bridge Hotel right now. And they're infusing about $200,000 just in hotel fees, I mean hotel costs. This is one of the times for the hotel industry where it's the lowest season and so we're just so glad that KC Current is here, decided to have their training session here.

Members of that team, they've got I think three girls that play on the US national team so it's great To have them here recognizing how big we are as a soccer community, not only in the city but for the entire region. And if you drive through there, you'll see that the field has never looked better and they're telling me they invested about $90,000 on their end, not us, on their end to try to rehabilitate that field so if you drive through our vineyard, you'll see it looks beautiful.

And now we just have to maintain that for the Dallas Cowboys. It will come during the summer, so I'm really proud that we were able to get him here and then continue with my efforts to beautify this city is you'll see out here when you drive out or walk out, you'll see the beautifully trimmed palms and Trees and as well as the landscape that is being put in right now at the Oxnard Police Department here at City Hall in front of the library just makes this city look beautiful. And I'm glad to see that engaging with other private businesses, they're also participating and beautifying our city. You'll see the St. John's Hospital has now trimmed their palms as well so I think collaboratively We can all contribute to make our city look that much better.

I worked with the Mexican Consulate's officer to bring Lucha Libre here at the Elks Lodge, which I think is great. It supports the Mexican tradition. It brings in tourism as well and it's a great entertainment for our local community so I'm glad to see that we were able to get them here. Also, I made various Presentation at some of our local high schools, engaging with young students about what's happening here in our city and city government as well as what's happening in the state and nationally. So I'm always excited to go and speak in these classrooms.

Also spoke at the Chamber of Commerce Business to the business group and to their community for their leadership program here at Council Chambers. Also met and attended a conference for the Coalition for Family Harmony. They're here in our city on the north end And learn more about what they're doing. They used to be formerly the Coalition to End Domestic Violence, so I know the important work that they do.

Also was able to participate with FoodShare. FoodShare is expanding to accommodate the needs of our city and in our region. They're investing about $50 million to expand to be able to have more refrigeration and just a bigger warehouse. And it's going to happen right here in our city, so they're going to break ground here in 2026 and hopefully aim to be for that project we completed in 2028.

And also I just got word as you know I'm very big on bringing more and more activities to our city festivals etc., met with the organizer for the Ceviche Festival that has been historically held in Ventura. He and I just spoke this morning we've been working with the harbor trying to get That festival here. And so we secured a date and the location will be at the harbor, and that'll happen in August. So that's great for us. Just constantly have our city be a hub of activities for entertainment for community members also to bring in tourism so everyone can see what a beautiful city we have.

And the last thing I know we talked about it here. Look, I just want to praise our police chief This gentleman has endured so much here recently. We talk about the federal activity that's been occurring here in our city and the response by his police department to address that very delicately with protesters and also ensuring protecting our community, and navigating a very delicate balance to not collaborate with ICE but also the responsibility to protect our community.

And having to shoulder the amount of just Deaths that we had in our police department, starting from Sergeant Joe Bentley who tragically passed away. As a matter of fact, Commander Scott Aaron was supposed to spearhead that funeral and here he died during training in Orange County and this police chief has had to shoulder that. And then Miss Belletti A long-time educator here in our city. She was my teacher at Channel Islands High School when I was a junior there, and then she took on a second career working initially as a volunteer then the police department employee for 19 years and he or she died. And then a sudden death of our community service officer Pamela Thornton. She was here not too long ago negotiating as a steward for SCIU and trying to push for that contract As a longtime city employee and this police chief has had to endure all of that, having to be at USC Medical Center.

Having to speak this morning at the funeral and it's just a lot for an executive leader to take on so we should like really praise And for the efforts that he is doing and all that he has to shoulder. Certainly, he has to take care of himself. So I just want to tell you what a remarkable job he's doing and we should just recognize that sometimes silence it doesn't say a whole lot but I know that he's taken on a lot and he's leading this police department in the right way so I just want to just highlight his efforts.

And I'll conclude with that and I think we do have one speaker on this item Mr. Andrews come on up

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:47:08

A couple of things. First, I wanted to let our ever-questionable city manager know that the difference between weeds growing in the hills and weeds growing in the city... In the hills we go to see them because they're beautiful and part of our ecosystem. In the city when they grow up between cracks in the pavement and in fields like Campus Park... Excuse me.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:47:29

Address the mayor please. That's who you're supposed to address, the mayor. Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:47:32

Andrews? I can address whoever I like.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:47:34

No.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:47:34

Yeah, I can. I'm not going to. I like Campus Park, which is now about four to five feet high with weeds. It's very different than going to the hills to see the beautiful weeds and flowers that grow there. Thank you Erin for bringing up the dog barking issue. This this is me. This is my complaint when we moved here almost six years ago. The dog barking was already in place. My partner who died in 2023 suffered from pulmonary fibrosis and every night that he went to bed He was afraid that he was not going to be able to sleep because he was afraid he wouldn't wake up, because he would stop breathing. That dog would bark oftentimes all night long.

All night long! I started filing complaints with this city in December of 2021. I've sent five to six videos of this dog barking incessantly for hours at a time. I don't send hours of video, but I send you glimpses of this dog going on and on and on. Just the other night, the dog was out there for five hours barking. I don't know how it has a voice after all this time.

I have sent complaint after complaint after complaint to this city as of October 21st. Rocky Marquez, Fermin Hernandez, Corbin Haynes, Jose Silva, Dale McAlpine and Jason Benitez all copied on it including all of you on the City Council about this ongoing dog barking issue. In that email they say I say still happening barking all the time and Fermin writes back and says complaint received we will address the issue.

It's still not addressed! The dog is still barking I know this isn't an issue of people getting out and protesting in the streets. It's not that important, but it's invading my peace and quiet in my home. I cannot live peaceably when this dog barks for hours and hours at a time. And don't get me wrong, I love dogs. I'm a big dog lover. But I cannot fathom why this city and this chief sits and lets this dog continue to bark, and doesn't send somebody out to take care of it. What is going on? And why do you all there—all of you except for Aaron— sit there and allow it to happen?

None of you are intervening. None of you! Thank you, Aaron.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:49:59

Thanks Mr. Andrews. Mr. Sun, I don't know if you want to speak on this item or was it on the CAG item that's coming up? Okay sounds good. Madam Clerk are there any other speakers?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction2:50:10

Mayor and council members that concludes our speakers

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:50:15

Thank You madam clerk Okay, sounds good. Thank you for bearing with me, I just turned the wrong page. Next item is from the City Clerk Department. Subject is the appointment of myself, the mayor to the Regional Defense Partnership. The recommendation is that the mayor with the approval of my colleagues at city council appoint me to represent the city of Oxnard on the regional defense partnership otherwise known as RDP.

This item did not originate in committee. Do any council members have any questions of staff on this item? I

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction2:51:21

just want to thank you for taking that on. It's been really hard for me to attend any of their meetings, so you'll get to go to D.C., if that's what you wish to do with the group and if you've never been to the Pentagon, that's a great experience. Thank you.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:51:43

Just to share with the public I've already been attending These meetings. I know there's another one coming up this this Friday as well and so I have readily engaged with the base and the captain And in others involved including supervisor Kelly long as well, and and so my I'm certainly very enthusiastic Motivated be part of this this program, and I know it's been a challenge for you because we'll pursue

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CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction2:52:12

So Mayor, I read the report and it was at the request of Ms. Basuah. I'd like to move the recommended action. Actually, the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:52:19

mayor has to move

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction2:52:20

it.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:52:20

Oh you have to move it? Then I'll second. Thank you. I'll move it. You second. Wonderful

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:52:25

discussion. Yeah. I just would like to ask a little bit more about this entity. My understanding is that I think it was formed years ago when they were talking about base closures and that sort of thing and how to combat that But I was curious outside of that issue, what does this actual Regional Defense Partnership do and how do we benefit from that?

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:52:54

Councilwoman, go ahead.

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction2:52:55

So the regional defense is you're right it was formed in order to try to protect the base from closing. We no longer have that issue but there are There is an executive director that is paid. That executive The group has a lobby company in D.C. that lobbies for, you know, what it is that the group wants to lobby for and there's an annual trip to D. C., to meet with military personnel in regards to whatever the concerns are within that year.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:53:56

Have you found this to be worthwhile of organization? Do you feel like a lot gets accomplished?

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction2:54:07

That's a loaded question. Okay, wasn't meant to be. That that's really a loaded question it's you know it's there is great information coming from the group as far as the economy and the services but we as civilians have little to no power all we can do is just like anything else is lobby for what we think is right But I've learned by being there that, you know, we're not military experts. The military is there to protect our national interest and we might think that for example electricity is very important but in their eyes buying that missile is more important so whatever you know it's going on locally there's national issues that are more important too you know and they're security issues so sometimes those Those do take president over whatever it is that's going on

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:55:11

here. And what I've seen myself, if I can just add, and I know the city manager also can chime in here but what I've seen myself which i think is a value is the networking that's going on. The base is the biggest employer here in Ventura County And one of the things, for example, is they're coming into our city and they're going to meet with our local vendors, local businesses because there's a lot of contracts that BASE gives out. And so I see there as a tremendous benefit for us here locally. Go ahead Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:55:38

Wynne. Sure, I can add to that. So first of all their primary objective has been successful for this community because on the BRAC list around the country in the world, there were bases that were closed So from that perspective, and I can only imagine. I can't speak for them of course but I can only imagine if you're looking at through their lens that's always a cloud hanging over.

But I've recently met with the current director I believe he's filling in until they go and seek a more long-term director to replace the prior director. So there are, as Councilwoman Basuah states, there are macro issues about the base that in many ways are beyond us but as the mayor brings up, there are a lot of people that Besides for being a part of this regional community, there are lots of people who also live here in Oxnard. And there are many, many different lines of business at the base that are civilian-based.

So one of the discussions we've been trying to have with them is when they are looking to hire civilians can they focus on Oxnard College? rather than fly over straight to Moorpark College, which is what they've been doing and understandably. When we discuss how many of the people who work at the base live in Oxnard my follow-up question is well how many of those people were hired from Oxnard?

And that's a much, much larger gap. So we are making an effort to go through this civilian group to realign how they recruit especially civilians, how they recruit civilians and how they can provide the training And I know the port is also getting involved through their logistics program, so we want to offer training for our residents coming out of our school system to have a fair opportunity to have a shot at many of the very, very good civilian jobs at the base.

Again... For very valid reasons, they've always flown over us to go to Moorpark College and other colleges and universities and places to recruit people who end up possibly living right here in Oxnard. So there's a very... I have an optimistic outlook about helping with the realignment so that they're tapping into local talent and our residents can benefit. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role2:58:34

And just to add, I was just looking at my notes from... And I misspoke. It's not on Fridays, it's on Thursdays. Yeah, it's every Thursday of the month. So I'll be going this Thursday but for my notes from last month's meeting, the presentation included the economic impact and they contribute to the region $4,600,000,000 and they employ 24,000 employees. Most of them coming from Oxnard.

Active duty is only 4,621 so the active duty number is very, very small. The majority who make up those employed in the military base are civilians. Most are here from this city. So I think there's tremendous value networking. As I mentioned one of the conversations we had was to bring and event here to the OPAC, where they will engage with local vendors, local businesses to try to let them know about the various contracts that are available inside the base. Because oftentimes a lot of these vendors come from outside this area in this region when a lot of the providers, a lot vendors are right here that may just not know about these business opportunities.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:59:45

Mayor, Council Member Perrella and I attended a presentation by Chancellor MacLennan, I think is his last name, who's with the Ventura County Community College District. And Dr. MacLennan spoke extensively about how they're working with the base trying to match the educations being given to students with the skills that are required there and it sounds like they've made a lot of good progress there so I would definitely encourage people to reach out to the community college district if that's something Thank you, Mayor.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:00:35

Thank you for highlighting those numbers. I had them here on my screen as well and 24,000 employees among the bases and many civilian and contractor jobs and as was mentioned generates $4.6 billion annually to the regional economy Having all those things in consideration, I also for a time did serve on the Regional Defense Partnership prior to Councilwoman Basuah.

And I appreciate the questions that Councilmember Starr brought up because these are questions that have lingered with me since my time there and when I was asked to be reassigned and Councilwoman Basuah was able to be assigned to it as well or to be appointed And since that time, I appreciate the discussions and the intent behind what the group is doing in trying to bolster the community benefiting in some way from the presence of the naval bases.

As our city manager mentioned, I personally believe that there needs to be some more intentional efforts to show how the City of Oxnard benefits and how the residents of Oxnard benefit from the existence of this partnership. And so I have no doubt that you will represent us well if appointed mayor. At this point, I would like to see what the RDP group is going to do to step up their efforts to have Oxnard residents benefit from the positive outputs that they say that the bases are giving into the region So until that time, I'm not going to support this item only out of my desire to see more come from those efforts. How is Oxnard and its residents going to benefit? And I appreciate you stepping into the role and I'm sure you'll represent us well but that's my stance this evening for this item.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:02:50

Thank you. I appreciate Mayor Pro Tem and understood. Thank you. I move the item second by Councilwoman. Is there further discussion? No call for the...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:03:00

Go ahead.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:03:01

Thank you. Okay, all right. So I think we've got enough support here. Madam Clerk if I can call for the vote?

Roll-call vote Passed 2–1 move the item second by Councilwoman. Is there further discussion? No call for the... Go ahead. Thank you. Okay, all right. So I think we've
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Councilwoman Perez? No. Councilman Rodriguez? Yes. Councilmember Starr? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Teran? No Councilwoman Basuah? Yes Mayor McArthur? Yes.
GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction3:03:34

And the motion carries five to two, thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:03:40

Thank You Madam Clerk

We'll move to the next item on the agenda this is Item I-2 from the City Clerk appointment of members to serve on the city's Citizens Advisory Group and The recommendation is that the mayor, with the approval of City Council, appoint Brian Landers to the Measure O Citizens' Oversight Committee as an at-large member and also appoint Anna Maria Van Hoven to the Mobile Home Park Rent Review Board as an at-large member. This item did not originate committee.

Do any council members have any questions of staff on this recommendation?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:04:22

If there are no questions and no public speakers I'll move the recommended action.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:04:28

Mr. Stein, did you want to speak on this item? Okay. Come on up, Mr. Stein.

CommentLarry SteinProposedself-stated3:04:41

Mr. Mayor. Yes sir. Members of the City Council, staff. I was asked by a member of one CAG, Parks and Recreation CAG to apply for that position back in July. I submitted an application And for those who weren't at the meeting two weeks ago with the mayor, the mayor told me that he'd been informed that I might not pass a background check. Now this is even before my application had even been approved and so in one direction the staff tell the mayor that it may not pass a background check I do have a temper. I've been known to raise my voice on more than one occasion, and I recognize that. But this is the Park and Recreational CAG. I've been asked again by the chairman of the CAG to be a member of this. I know two or three members of the CAG.

And went to the meeting last week and saw a staff report that was not made available to members of the public who attended the meeting. Again, that speaks of the attitude staff has towards Staff may not like, and that gives me an impression that I'm left with. And I'd like to share that impression if it's not favorable of Senate members or staff who somebody told you Mr. Mayor that I may not qualify for passing a background check. There is no reason why I may not pass the background check. I submitted a public record request asking what would be I would suggest that the criteria Thank you very much for your time.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:06:54

Are there any other speakers on this item?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction3:06:56

Excuse me, Mayor and Council Members. That concludes our speakers on this item in person and virtually. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:07:04

I guess maybe I need some clarification because I was under the understanding that the background check was only for checking for criminal history. We may have had one incident many years ago where somebody disappointed people who didn't know what their background was. So my question is Is my understanding incorrect? Is it more than just a criminal background check or something else?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed3:07:38

Maybe just a step back, because the background check is a little farther down the road. I think we're all aware that just because you submit an application or far away from the background check, the subject needs to be nominated by one of you on the dais to the CAG. And then part of that kind of screening and onboarding process would be the aforementioned background check. It involves a live scan, so you basically take your fingerprints and it gets submitted to the DOJ and then results are come back in. It's relatively surface-level background. It's not a comprehensive background check, nothing even remotely close to what you have to do like if you're going to be a first responder or something like that so it's basically just like a check of your criminal history there's nothing more to it than that and I if I could I'm sorry just a quick Point of order.

Larry is a very good friend of mine and he has said it twice, but I believe he has received the information that he keeps saying that he hasn't received. I think he's received it twice in the last 24 hours via email so I will check with him to confirm that. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:08:57

Okay. Thank you Mr. Salcigarte. Thanks for that question Council Member Starr. Any other questions? If not we've got a motion on the table. Is there a second? Second. Thank you Councilwoman Perez. If there's no discussion, Madam Clerk, I call for the vote.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction3:09:11

Councilwoman Rodriguez? Aye. Councilman Starr?

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:09:14

Yes.

Roll-call vote Passed 3–0 motion on the table. Is there a second? Second. Thank you Councilwoman Perez. If there's no discussion, Madam Clerk, I call for the vote. Co
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Mayor Pro Tem Teran? Yes. Councilwoman Basuah? Yes! Councilmember Perala? Yes Councilwoman Perez? Yes And Mayor McArthur? Yes
GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction3:09:29

and this motion carries seven to zero thank you

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:09:32

Thank you The next item on the agenda is the review of the information consent agenda Do any council members have any consent items they wish to discuss? Wonderful.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction3:09:47

I move we approve the consent agenda items.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:09:51

Madam Clerk, are there any speakers on the consent agenda

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction3:09:53

item? Mayor and Council Members, we do not have any public speakers in person or virtually for the information and consent agenda. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:10:01

Thank you. Call for the

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction3:10:01

vote. Councilman Starr?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:10:04

Yes.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction3:10:05

The

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:10:07

Starr.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction3:10:10

It's okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:10:12

It's still yes.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0
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Mayor Pro Tem Teran? Yes. Councilwoman Basuah? Yes. Council Member Peralo? Yes, Council Woman Betas? Yes Council Woman Rodriguez? Aye. Mayor McArthur? Yes
GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction3:10:29

and this motion carries seven to zero thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:10:31

Thank you the next item on the agenda is item n1 this is from the housing department Subject, a resolution establishing administrative regulations regarding the fair rate of return petition. Regulations to implement the city's rent stabilization ordinance. The recommended action is that the City Council review and approve the proposed resolution establishing administrative regulations to implement the provisions of the rent stabilization ordinance regarding fair rate of return petition regulation.

The Community Services Public Safety and Housing Economic Development Committee approved this Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the public. I'm pleased to announce that we have adopted amendment 30 back on January 13th, 2026 to approve the staff recommendation with modifications and to forward the item for the full Council approval. And I see that Director Brenda Lopez just came in and she's here to answer any questions we may have

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GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction3:11:32

Mayor and council members, yes we have three speakers.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:11:39

Thank you. We'll start with the speaker if that's okay. Carla Lopez followed by Maria Navarro and Don Durazo. Carla Lopez are you here? A translator, okay. If I can have one of the interpreters come up please to assist. And Madam Clerk we have a microphone here should you need it. Good evening, council members and mayor. I'm Carla Godinez-Lopez

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:13:00

I live in the apartment at 541 Cuesta del Mar, where I've lived for the last three years.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:13:11

My history with the owners of the apartments of 541 Cuesta del Mar

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:13:26

With the owner from 2023 to... Mr.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:13:29

Interpreter, are you able to give her the mic and then you can talk into the other one? So she can be heard.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed3:13:34

Yeah.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:13:37

Folks are watching on YouTube as well. Go ahead

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:13:42

Ms. Lopez.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:13:46

I'm going to explain what never happened What never happened, we never signed anything with the previous owners.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:13:59

That's when we were paying $1,378 in rent. But this amount was raised

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:14:19

$284 more than 4%. They claim that we signed for a four to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:14:23

five month credit to pay less in rent, which is not true.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:14:51

What we did to resolve the issue was to file a complaint with the Housing Department of the City of Oxnard about the increase above 4%. And we requested

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:15:03

meeting with the city to explain what was happening with this illegal increase. But so far, we haven't had that meeting and we haven't been provided with possible dates to have that meeting. Therefore, we could not start the process

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:15:48

To reduce the rent

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:15:51

increase,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:15:55

for your information there's a new owner

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:15:58

and this owner provided us with a contract in January of 2026.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:16:17

The new owner went door to door to every apartment asking how much we were paying in rent.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:16:26

And he said that he would see if he would raise the rent because the apartments had been very poorly

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:16:47

Upkept.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:16:49

So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:16:51

I have the following questions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:16:53

Does the city have a record of the livability cases? The previous owner and manager didn't fix all the remediations set by the

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:17:37

code.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:17:38

Then the new owner in December of 2025 hasn't resolved yet the rent increases

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:18:04

And the complaints that have been filed for not enforcing the code.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:18:09

And on top of that, we suffer regulations for the complaints that we've filed with the code enforcement We've been fighting for two years to be heard, and what are you going to do to review this kind of petitions? And so that this, the owners don't take advantage of this regulation when they buy the apartments in the conditions that 541 Cuesta del Mar

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:19:25

Are in and then they file a petition because they suffer losses. Thank you for your time.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:19:35

Thank you. Maria Navarro All right.

CommentMaria NavarroProposedself-stated3:19:53

Good evening, mayors, city council members, staff, members of the public. My name is Maria Navarro and I am a policy advocate for costs. At the last committee meeting, I talked about long lasting impacts. This rent increase petition or regulation could sorry Could it have potential impacts? And because of these, CAWS opposes the proposed regulation today. This position may seem unexpected given CAWS' participation in the process so far and I take responsibility for that.

When this process began our work was framed around the context of Marina Vista which was a 45% increase and an act of God At that time, there was a shared understanding that the fair return petition would move forward because it is part of the ordinance. I began from the assumption and participated in shaping the regulation on behalf of CAWS' adult committee.

However In preparation for and following the housing committee meeting two weeks ago, both the adult committee and tenant members began to question the regulation itself. This concern is not about how the regulation or process is structured but about the necessity of the regulation and how it would be implemented and applied if adopted. Tenants have raised important questions.

These questions are not necessarily a question of process, how does this work? It's not that. What they're asking for is why? How is a 4% annual increase not sufficient? Why should a process exist that allows rent increases when tenants continue to live with unresolved maintenance issues. And you just heard Carla Lopez, who gave you an example of that right her building What's the case with code compliance? This still is being resolved, right. And in that case would any owner be allowed to potentially use a rent increase petition even though he inherited the property with those problems and with potential pending code of compliance cases?

How, when repairs are not made how can it still be fair that rent still increases year by year amounting to 12% since 2022 to now and utility bills continue to rise? Why is there no comparable process for tenants who seek a decrease when their economic position is compromised. These are the questions that the community wants answers to. And it's not, again, a question of like how do we get to this point? How do we file a petition? How do we respond is

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:22:58

why?

CommentMaria NavarroProposedself-stated3:22:59

Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:23:00

Thanks so much, Maria. Thank you. Don Durazo.

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PresenterDawn DeRozoVentura County Coastal Association of RealtorsProposedself-stated3:23:14

Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. I'm Dawn DeRozo and I am speaking on behalf of Ventura County Coastal Association of Realtors. First off, we would like to thank the council and city staff for recognizing that stakeholders add real value to this process. In particular, we want to acknowledge Elvin Marshall whose leadership and responsiveness were key throughout this effort. We appreciate the collaboration and the opportunity to work alongside of them and the stakeholders.

For most landlords in the city A rental home isn't a line item in the corporate portfolio. It is a significant personal and civic responsibility. While a 10% cap might sound like a simple solution, it misses critical realities of housing providers. The city's 4% annual rent cap aims to provide stability for tenants, but constitutional law also recognizes that property owners must be allowed a fair and reasonable return to keep housing safe, functional and viable.

We must clarify that fair return mechanisms are not a loophole for profit. It is a vital tool for cost recovery It ensures that when an owner invests capital improvements, essential maintenance or major repairs they have a clear legal path to recoup those specific costs. Incorporating an absolute rent increase cap can expose the city significantly to legal risk and potential litigation. And there's been California court courts have established clear precedents for this The process is rigorous. This involves submitting independent financial records and verified data. We are talking about deep dives into operating expenses, property taxes, costs of utilities. Furthermore any capital improvements or rehabilitation works are scrutinized to ensure that any requested increase is truly essential and not arbitrary.

An owner needs to prove they are operating at a loss or have undue financial burden. Transparency is also built into this petition as well. Tenants are notified immediately, allowing them ample time to ensure that their voices are part of the record. We must also acknowledge that recent refinements that staff has made as of January 2026 introduced protections for low-to-moderate income households through the severe economic hardship claims This creates a balanced policy for both homeowners and tenants.

We urge the council to support this petition as written, thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:26:17

Thank you Mr. Arzo. Madam Clerk any other speakers in person or online?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction3:26:23

Mayor and Council Members that concludes our speakers in person and virtually for this item, thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:26:29

Thank you, any comments or questions Any questions for staff? Councilwoman Perez, go ahead.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:26:36

I kind of wanted to just share my standpoint for the public on this item that came before committee and I think that's the benefit of committee is the opportunity to give community the input and space to give recommendations, share input before it comes When making the decision in that committee meeting, the rationale I had at that time was the economic hardship component.

And after having further discussions about You know, not just what we're called to do as representatives but also understanding the diversity of needs that are out there in community. And one thing that I've had the opportunity to spend a bit more time on from the last committee to now is really understanding what does this economic hardship appeal process look like?

I know some speakers have talked about that this isn't a logistical process or concern, but rather for me it's also raised some questions around who has access to be able to apply for an economic hardship appeal. In looking at some of the documents here and I'll reference later in my future comments as well, there are specific items in our staff report. And I'll allude to the page numbers there that talk about how people can submit an economic hardship appeal.

Thank staff for meeting with me today right before this meeting to kind of talk through what are some of the barriers when either one going into an officer hearing. What is, what is the accessibility to that and I know that a lot of these opportunities are one over zoom Thinking about the pandemic and the digital gaps that have happened, that have come out of the pandemic. Not everybody has one access to quality internet, digital literacy skills and that's just a part of some of the challenges that I hear from community on the level of accessibility for even an economic hardship petition to even be submitted And so really wanted to kind of raise that point. And as we look deeper, it's not just the video conferencing, it's the emails that are sent in and I think that there's so many different processes.

I know when it comes to resources, there are going to be some folks that tap into resources and some folks that may not but I also want to be mindful of the current population especially You know, who we serve. Not everybody has access to these kinds of opportunities so wanting to raise that concern one but to also bring it back to the executive summary of the background in section two on 102 it says Rent-stabilized jurisdictions must provide an opportunity for a landlord to receive a fair return on their property. The petition allows for landlords to request a rent increase that is above the City of Oxnard's rent limit of 4% should they provide sufficient documentation and prove that the standard increase of 4%, would not allow them to receive a reasonable return on On their property while a petition may be submitted allow annually once the petition has been approved rents are considered a line to provide a fair rate of return.

Accordingly, any subsequent petition would require the landlord to demonstrate a substantial change in operating expenses sufficient to establish that 4% would not yield a fair rate of return. And I think there's a lot of conversation around liability and I know we're going to have opportunity to kind of deliberate here but I also want Put the opportunity back out to the community to also say that even the city has liability. I mean, there were public comments made tonight around buildings that are still not up to par or experiences where you go into a building and there's mold and there's rat infestation. And I'm not saying that this is a universal experience from all landlords' perspectives, but I do want to acknowledge that currently we still see uninhabitable living conditions.

Particularly this is something that if that I can resonate with the most because it impacts my district the most and so really wanting to kind of uplift that there is still a lot of work to do regarding ensuring that these living conditions that these property owners have still yet to make any improvements on some of these processes. And I know there is a process through code compliance and all these different levers, but I really wanted to just kind of uplift that and share that with the team here on kind of the rationale initially why voted yes it was really because of the economic hardship. But I think as we further discuss tonight, I'll kind of share some insight on some additional thoughts that I have about this agenda item.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:32:03

Thank you, Councilwoman. Any other comments or questions? Go ahead, Mayor Paterno.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:32:10

Thank you. Just a couple of quick questions here. I don't know if our housing staff or city attorney's office would be willing to just briefly discuss landlords' right to a fair return and where that falls in the California Constitution.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:32:26

Thank you, Council Member Tran. Elma Caron, Assistant City Attorney So I would like to direct the council to Civil Code section 1947.15, where it specifically says in there that landlords are entitled to a fair rate of return that would be in excess of any rent control that is put in place by any jurisdiction and that it notes that that is a United States Constitution and California constitution protected right.

So even though we don't have any regulations in place right now, every landlord in the city subject to rent control has the right to seek a fair rate of return petition. And we don' t have any guardrails. We don't have any requirements and we don''t have the severe economic hardship appeal. And what happens there is we have our hearing officer who then goes in blind and makes up regulations that are well versed in this but goes by what has been done in other jurisdictions and throughout the history of rent stabilization going back maybe 40 years or so of case law and these code sections to come up with a rate, an appropriate rate of return.

If the landlord doesn't like that he gets to go over to Superior Court take a writ. And what happens is the court doesn't have any framework to look at in terms of what we require in order for a landlord to get a fair rate of return So these are really a necessary component and they explain the process, the guidelines, the guardrails underneath the rights given to them in the civil code section that I just quoted.

Does that answer your question?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:34:10

It does thank you and having I'm wondering if we can answer a quick A landlord does a petition and is successful in getting to do a rent increase more than the 4% because they show their work and have all of these required forms and documents that are submitted, and it's approved. What keeps them from just perpetually doing that annually every year? To be able to say well now this year You know, my expenses are far outweighing what I can raise beyond 4%. And they have to start over. But how do we? What are the guardrails in place for that?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:35:09

Yeah, I can take that one. So here the petition process is extensive and requires a substantial documentation including the landlord's financial data that includes income versus their expenses to demonstrate that the landlord is operating and facing undue financial hardship. A successful petition request results in a one-time rent increase. In the following year, the landlord is again subject to 4% annual rent increase limit while a petition may be submitted annually once a petition has been approved, rents are considered aligned to provide a fair rate of return So here, any kind of subsequent petition would require the landlord to demonstrate a substantial change in operating expenses sufficient to establish that the 4% increase would not yield a fair and reasonable return on the property.

So although they technically could file another one after if they were in your hypothetical successful, the chances of them doing it the very next year are very slim.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:36:12

So when you say that they're now aligned with the costs, if I were a landlord and I were to be able to show my work like hey I need to raise rent 6% this year. And if I go through all that process I do everything correctly and properly, and it's granted and rents raised 6%. Now the following year, if I were to say well now I need to raise it another 6%, I think the message there is we'll hold up. How is it that you were able to raise your rent to get you to a point where you are getting a fair return?

How now the following year, the subsequent year, how are you behind again? Is that what we're saying here?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:36:54

I'll go ahead and take that one. Basically what it would be In that instance, I mean we can't prevent somebody from filing these petitions year after year. But it's going to be as Andrew already said it's gonna be very difficult for them to meet that threshold to go up and above the 4%. More than likely that would be denied at the administrative hearing level unless there's some big swing in their costs but what's important is they have to actually incur these costs So in there, some people might be thinking oh well this is stuff that they need for the future but they actually have to show that they've incurred substantial costs and if they're doing this year over year we're gonna have to take a hard look at it. And there's a California Supreme Court case that says while a landlord may have been granted a 12% increase in one year and he requested another bigger increase immediately the following year because he had the ability to increase by I think it was either four or 6% in that particular case It didn't prevent him from using his property, getting a fair rate of return and it didn't amount to inverse condemnation or a taking because his due process rights were protected by the annual allowable increases.

So that's something that we can't say would never happen but there's plenty of guardrails in place And if that issue is taken up on a writ, this office is definitely well prepared to defend our hearing officer's decision to hold the rent at the appropriate level.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:38:29

Thank you. I have two last questions here. Sure, go ahead. I'm wondering if someone can speak to the included operating expenses that are allowed to be factored into the application or into this process and what are some of the excluded operating expenses? And then I have one last question after this one.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed3:38:50

Good evening Brenda Lopez, Director for the Housing Department. The included expenses I'll just summarize them quickly they are on our agenda page 122 part of exhibit D but these include for included would be your fair rate or return petition application fee Annual program fee, license fees, real property taxes, utility cost insurance. Normal repair and maintenance expenses which shall include but not be limited to painting normal cleaning fumigation landscaping repair standard services including electrical plumbing carpentry furnished appliances drapes carpets and furniture Owner performed labor like other labor should be included only to the extent that it is charged at fair market value for such labor.

Cost of repairs, the need for which was not caused by ordinary wear and tear and was not caused by deferred maintenance. Allowable legal expenses and management expenses including necessary reasonable advertising, accounting and other managerial expenses. Allowable legal expenses and management expenses which are presumed to be 6% of the gross income and then it goes on allowable legal and management expenses in excess of 8% of gross income that are presumed to be unreasonable and should not be allowed unless it is established that such expenses are reasonable and do not exceed those ordinarily charged by commercial management firms Attorney fees and costs incurred in connection with successful good faith attempts to recover rents, owing and successful good faith unlawful retainer actions that are now in violation of applicable law to the extent that such fees and costs cannot be recovered from tenants.

Building improvements, major repairs, replacement and maintenance unless such costs are compensated by insurance proceeds. These costs should not be included in the entirety at a given seers expense But should be amortized as provided and then it goes into regulation 1.05, and the expenses for experts in city review allow on the rent stabilization ordinance 2723 B and actually paid by the owner now what is excluded?

Maintenance and repair work which resulted from the intentional deferral of other repairs or work. Which deferral caused significant deterioration of the building, of its amenities and individual units. Avoidable and unnecessary expenses since the base year. Mortgage interest and principal payments and other payments are not contractually necessary, such as double payments or any payment that results from financing that is unreasonable or that was unnecessary for the acquisition of the property at the fair market value. Fees other than the fees expressly authorized in section 1.026A of this subdivision, any penalties and interest awarded for violation of the rent stabilization ordinance or any other law And legal fees not expressly allowed under paragraph 102, section 6 AVI of this subdivision and depreciation of the property.

So all of those are excluded expenses.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:41:57

Thank you. And my last question comes similar to that. When we look at capital improvements to a property, like a roof replacement, foundation replacement, painting, things that are tens of thousands of dollars if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in some properties. Can you explain the amortization and how that's factored into this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed3:42:19

Yes I'm going to ask our attorney to help me on that question.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:42:22

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:42:23

I just briefly wanted to highlight that all of the sections that Brenda went over are inside of the regulation specifically pages 122 and 123 regarding both the included expenses and excluded expenses. And to your question regarding the amortization, that starts on page 127 and it goes through various capital improvement costs that are based off of amortization schedules that other jurisdictions have used for similar types of things.

So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:42:58

to answer your question further, like if they have a $45,000 roof job you're not going to see your rent increase to cover that full $45k in the following year. It'll be amortized over the appropriate amount of years as listed in the table.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:43:12

So spread out over like 10 years for example? Yes. Great thank you those are my questions Mayor thank you

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:43:18

Thank you. Any other comments? Council Member Starr, go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:43:22

ahead. Ms. McCarron, what would be the consequences of us not adopting this recommendation legally?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:43:29

So basically we don't have any guardrails on what would be the included expenses versus the excluded expenses. It would be left to the petitioner to provide any type of documentation that they want because we request specific things in here So what you're going to have is incomplete applications. The staff here that reviews these before they go on to the hearing officer is going to have to interface a lot back and forth requesting certain documents at some point, even if they don't get the full thing, they may just have to pass it on to the administrative hearing officer for a review and a determination. And from there, the officer will then look maybe two other jurisdictions or other type of regulations based on their training and experience to determine whether or not they have sufficient information in front of them.

And they could be looking at any and all types of documents, and we don't have any exclusions that would help safeguard a massive increase especially for some of our residents here who fall under federal poverty lines. So this does give us a very good framework as to how these petitions should proceed essentially, because right now if we don't pass this there aren't any regulations and that doesn't serve the resident or the landlord.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:44:53

Just briefly to add to that for instance the hardship appeal without these regulations that wouldn't exist at all as it currently stands because there are no regulations. That's not something that anyone could move forward with without these.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:45:07

I guess they would only be able to go to court

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:45:14

We didn't. Can you say that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:45:15

Yeah, I guess in the absence of this basically they would just go to court I guess to get their writ that they're seeking is that what would happen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:45:24

The residents could try to do that more in my experience dealing with the population here That would be very difficult for them to get any type of relief from a petition that's too high

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:45:38

I have a question about the process. So, I watched the committee meeting and noted that since 2022 there's been seven fair rate return petitions submitted, two of which have had hearings, two I think are pending and three were just simply abandoned and not sure what all the reasons were for that but I guess my question is, has any landlord or property owner ever successfully navigated this to get an exception from the 4% rule? Has there been anybody who's been able to achieve that?

PresenterAlba Marshallsupervisor for the programProposedself-stated3:46:26

I think it's on. Hi, I'm Alba Marshall. I'm with the supervisor for the program. So yes, we have had the two successful ones have been higher than 4%.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:46:36

I'm sorry, two what?

PresenterAlba Marshallsupervisor for the programProposedself-stated3:46:37

The two successful and it's actually three. So we went through and reviewed so it's eight petitions that we've had since 2022 and so three have successfully moved on. So one had like a partial unit one was approved there was like a duplex that was higher than the four percent they all vary their case by case so they're all individual but the three that went forward did go higher than 4%.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:47:00

So they were able to exceed that. That's

PresenterAlba Marshallsupervisor for the programProposedself-stated3:47:02

correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:47:02

And I have a question about the amortization concept here. So if I've got an asset that I'm building here, or rather let me rephrase that. If I have an expenditure I'm making and this and the expected life of this expenditures is let's say 20 years. Let's say I invest $100,000 20 year life Is the way it's designed, is that am I only getting back what I put in over the 20 years? Or is there any rate of return on this investment that one makes to do this improvement to the property?

How does the amortization impact how much a rental property owner can actually charge

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:47:59

I'm not quite sure. I follow your question, and I preface this with saying I'm an attorney, not an accountant, so I'm going to try my best here. But what we're looking at is we're not necessarily concerned with the interest rate that they're getting or the amount of money that they're going to make on this new roof that's going to obviously increase the value of their home. We're looking at it from a perspective if their asset is now worth a little bit more The tenant is probably having to, subject to a rental increase that is in excess of 4%. So we're not necessarily looking at the landlord's return or increase on their value. We're looking at what is sustainable in terms of a rent increase for the particular tenant so that they're not displaced and they could continue to pay their rent and live there and not lose their home essentially due to a monster increase.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:48:55

So is there any concept here of what actually a fair rate of return is for property? When I think of an investment, I'm thinking what my yield is. If I'm buying stocks, if I'm buying property, whatever it might be. What is a reasonable rate of return for capital invested? Is that something that goes into the equation here or is that irrelevant?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:49:21

Well, that's where you look at all of the expenses and then you look at what the CPI has done for the current year versus the base year rent. And if your CPI is trending up, is your income, your operating income, is that trending up as well? And so if they are in line technically when you have your 4% rent cap and if you're out of fair rate whatever that might be it's different for every single property in the city then you may not fall into this petition. You may not get a higher increase. Now if you're looking at your, that the CPI is going up and your income, your operating income is going down, you're gonna see a widening of the two and then if you throw in some big ticket expenses, you definitely are gonna be under what would be your fair rate of return and I think it's important to note that fair rate of return does not equal fair market value So we're looking at two different concepts here because if you were to take a rent controlled duplex at $1,200 to a fair market value of $3,200 that would be an astronomical increase and more than likely would displace the residents in there.

So you have to look at slowly bumping that up to the point where they get a fair rate of return and there's just lots case law all over the place as to what is fair for a particular city I'm kind of thinking this and putting an investor hat on. Let's say I have various alternatives to put my money in. I don't have to put it into housing.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:51:15

invest in a 30-year risk free treasury bond and get almost 5%. If the way we're measuring this reasonable rate of return is something too low, then people are not going to want to invest in properties. It's much better to invest in something with liquidity whether it be a treasury bond or even stocks for that matter. And so my concern is If we're not measuring rate of return based on what the alternatives are that the investors have, then what we're doing is we're actually destroying our rental market.

Because why would somebody invest here if they can get a higher return elsewhere? I mean there are other locales that have less restrictive rent control. There are other opportunities for people to deploy their money and people can put money into commercial real estate instead which Doesn't have any limits on how much rents can go up and you can actually make a reasonable rate of return. I'm just wondering, is there any concern at all about the future rental stock given this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:52:32

There is concern about the future rental stock and that's why we do allow for the fair rate of return hearings and that's why it's in the civil code as well. But the larger problem here is we don't want to have a population of people that can no longer afford to live here and then become homeless. And it's a cyclic and systemic problem, so there's no good balance where the landlords get everything that they want at the expense of the tenants. It's a balancing act, and if somebody wants to put their money elsewhere, they're more than welcome to. I think the city manager had a comment as well?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:53:09

Well, just to say that it's not that simplistic but I would agree that people who have the ability to make an investment certainly have a freedom of choice. People who invest in real estate in certain geographical areas do it for a variety of reasons.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:53:26

Now

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:53:29

also understand the reason we propose this is to ensure that there is a process to evaluate if what their request is appropriate. But I also want to point out the distinction, when a landlord makes an investment in a property sometimes those investments are required. They're not always and actually not usually just to make it prettier. You've got to fix a toilet, you've got to fix the pipes, you've got to fix the electrical And sometimes when it wears down, you've got to fix a leaky roof.

That's not to make anyone's life better. It's to make the property habitable. So there's also a distinction there to keep in mind with regard to will it destroy the rental market? Absolutely not. We're not the first city to approach this and we won't be the last. And I've said it before There are plenty of big cities in California specifically that have many of these rules and regulations and processes, and they've gained rental units during the same time.

So let's focus on what's proposed here. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:54:46

I think... Thanks, Mr. Wynne. Go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:54:48

ahead. I think maybe what we're not keeping in mind here is that people don't have to be in the rental business. I mean, you have single-family homes where If somebody, for example, is moving from the area and he's making a decision do I sell the house or do I rent it? I can tell you that if I'm in those shoes, if I'm worried that I may not be able to get my money out, I'm much more likely to sell that house than I am to rent it out.

And the problem with that is that you make less rental units available And when you have less rental units available, what ends up happening in the long run is that you see rents skyrocket because we have a limited supply. And that's actually what we've observed here in Ventura County over the years. We've seen rental rates go up quite a bit and that's because we limit the supply whether through rent control or through SOAR or what have you.

I guess I'm just I just don't see where this is really helping people. I think we're hurting, I really think we're hurting people in the end. But may I'll just make a, you know, I can argue this as an economist why this is a bad idea but I think there's also a moral issue here as well. I mean, I'm a renter so I guess in theory I'm beneficiary of these rules But I don't think that I have a moral claim to live in my current house if someone else is willing to pay that property owner more for that same spot. I don' see why I'm entitled I don't think it's a good idea to live there if the owner of the property says, you know what Aaron? There is someone else willing to pay more.

And I think that I'm going to go with that.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:57:06

I'm going to turn it over to you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:57:21

Yes, Mr. Starr the councils before you got on this one they made a decision to do this and This is what we have I understand your point of view I do understand that there's a possibility We could use rental thing but I also understand if there wasn't something like this There would be a lot of people exactly as staff said The next step is the street and a decision was made by a previous council that this is the angle were going on

PresenterAlba Marshallsupervisor for the programProposedself-stated3:57:50

And then staff just wanted to interject and provide clarification. So there are exemptions to the rent stabilization ordinance, and I think there's often common misperceptions of what applies and what doesn't in the majority of single family homes they fall underneath what's considered separate and alienable by title if it's owned by a proper owner if their corporations or their LLCs it varies but Typically, most single family homes are owned by the owner or they're rented out. And so all of those would be exempt from rent control. So the scenario that you mentioned wouldn't pertain to us unless the owner was a corporation or an LLC or if they legally subdivided the house or had multiple units on the property and basically turned it into a multi-unit then that's when it does fall underneath it but as it stands right now So I just thought I'd share that as well.

And then one specific thing is we have rent stabilization in the city, and so it's based off of the state's Tenant Protections Act which passed in 2019. That assembly bill became two specific civil codes with the state, and so this city, in order to be able to enforce those protections adopted something more restrictive. So right now what we're sort of discussing more is the right of fair return. So there is already rent stabilization. It's not allowing the landlords the opportunity which is a constitutional, both from the United States Constitution and California State Constitution.

The right to appeal if they would want to go higher than 4%. And it gives them that avenue to do so. So I just thought I'd share that.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role3:59:20

Thank you for offering that. You know one of the things that back on the January 13th committee it was lengthy but one of things that we called or we asked of our staff is to engage collaboratively with cause with our realtors, with Barbara Macri-Ortiz and others so that we could have key stakeholders participate in this process. And I very purposefully on the January 13th meeting made it a workshop allowing back and forth discussions, deep robust discussions to try to inform the decisions.

And, I think we reached consensus on most items. And where we didn't, where we differed, I think Barbara and others understood the risk averse position that we were taking on as a city and some of the emerging issues that hindered the effectiveness of rent stabilization. And so I think we ultimately agreed at that committee, that we did not have a process for processing fair rate or return petitions which ultimately benefited both the renters and landlords. So we needed these guardrails in place. We needed a process and I think that is ultimately what we walked away with Not to say that we were concretely set on that, but we had the option to later return and modify it if we needed to. But that's what I thought we walked away with where CAWS was involved in this process, but I have had subsequent conversations with CAWS and they indicated The discussion was very technical, and members of the community maybe did not fully understand what was being discussed because it is very technical.

And it is confusing. I was glad to see Barbara here, staunch supporter of renters. But, you know we did vote with that committee 3-0 to approve it after having robust discussions on it going line item by line item amendments and revisions to agree that this was the best case scenario to essentially have a process for processing The fair rate of return petitions, which we needed because absent that we don't have anything We can't provide the guidance necessary So I just wanted to restate that Councilwoman did you have something her?

Absolutely

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:01:48

Thank You for the time I Was part of the council when we first did this and I was you know, I pushed a You know, Councilman Perrello you were present. This is something really that I believe Oxnard needed and no one thing is perfect at all not one thing and I really appreciate staff's time the partnership with the Realtors cause Barbara but I'm not happy with this And I'm not happy with it, because it's not going to be perfect. I get that. It's not going to be perfect. I haven't had the time to really discuss this with staff and there are issues that will happen. There are things that will be beyond our control just like when we first started this process If you recall, we went ahead and we put a 4% cap. And then the landlords got creative.

And now we're going to charge you for water. And that's how we're going to get you. And now we're going to charge you for that parking stall. And we're going to take your parking. And that's how we'll get you. We have great landlords but we also have slum lords. And those slum lords I've dealt with and I just I just see a lot of things that we might be able to tighten up.

And my first question is when a landlord comes in with the petition to get this reviewed, do we have a legal right to put a cap on that?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:03:50

There's no authority for a cap. There's only one city in the state that has imposed a cap on the fair rate of return petitions, that's Pasadena it's at 15%. There's a lot of case law that says limiting certain increases anywhere between 4 and 12% is unconstitutional And Andrew has spoke with staff from Pasadena and I'll pass along to him.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:04:18

Yeah, I spoke recently with the city attorney's office in Pasadena and they explained to me that although they passed this 50% cap on the fair rate of return it only recently was implemented and they've only had a handful of cases within the past couple months so here you know the concern with having a cap is the possible takings claims. So it would be prudent to watch how that kind of pans out, especially given that they just started doing this and there has not been very many cases that have happened very recently. They said within the past couple months.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:04:58

And the way we'll see it is if they get a fair rate of return and the hearing officer says you should really be entitled to 17 percent or 20%, but we're going to cap you at 15. It'll be interesting to see what a court does with that particular fact situation as to whether or not the cap is constitutional or not, so we can definitely... Our recommendation is to take a wait-and-see approach and see what happens with Pasadena and get these in now so we don't worry about having our regulations and our ordinance under attack.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:05:36

Thank you. And if I just want to... I'm sorry, Councillor Morrison, I

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:05:41

didn't see you. Go ahead. No problem. When we have these petitions come, I would like before we start the petition, I would... We have within the Housing Authority inspectors. If you do this for a long time, you can walk into a building and you know if the landlord has owned this property for 30 years and it's a generational thing. And we know if there's been zero capital improvements within a building. We know that if you are doing this correct and you as a landlord have a 10-year CIP on the books, you know when your roof is due, you know if your laundry need to be redone.

You know your turnover rate, you know whether or not you're going to invest and you're gonna add a new kitchen but what I see in the properties that some of these landlords that are greedy is that's not what it is. It's a landlord that is generational doesn't put any money into their units Now is going to have this, is going to come forward and it's going to say well I'm gonna, I just did 20%, 30% you know and now I deserve this. Well wait a minute, you also haven't taken any pride in making sure that your property is maintained so before... I think landlords have every single right to come and ask for We need to go out and we need to do an inspection.

Go ahead.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:07:48

So, I can speak to that. The deferred maintenance is not allowed within the formula for you to move forward with a fair rate of return. Right. Additionally just to some of your points in addition to all of this, this does not impede moving forward with a code compliance case as well?

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:08:06

No and I totally understand that but what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to alleviate a few steps. I'm trying to get an inspection in a staff inspection where they've determined that the landlord can move forward with this. And, you know, in regards to code complaints I mean we know what those are. We have, you know, maintenance where they do a code complaint, the landlord takes forever, they don't do it. I mean we've seen it.

But what I'm looking is for something a little bit more stringent there. And landlords should not be afraid to have their units inspected if they're good landlords, they should never be afraid. So it's the slum landlords that don't want you to go in and see that the sink is leaking or carpets haven't been replaced in 30 years because that's kind of what we're dealing with right now So I would like to see this to be a little bit more tight.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:09:18

Councilwoman, if I can just ask the attorney a question to make sure we're on the same page. The expense has to be actually incurred before they can request a fair rate of return not a planned improvement?

CommentAngela LandersProposedself-stated4:09:30

Correct yes.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:09:31

So Councilwoman Basuah in that case Would that be that they would need an inspection prior to ever making an investment on their property and then an inspection after they make?

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:09:43

No, it would be once they want. And the reason I'm saying this is because we also have those landlords that they go ahead and they install a countertop but they installed it with five different shades of color because that's what they picked up at Home Depot on the clearance rack And we've all seen it. I mean, or they go to the clearance rack and whatever's left over paint that's what they use to paint their units. There's no pride in these properties so I would literally...I need to...

I cannot support this tonight the way it's written. I need a little bit more work on this. Councilwoman Basu,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:10:23

if I can speak to that and I understand your concerns and I think To have all of these hurdles in front of their ability to even file a petition for fair rate of return, we would run afoul of civil code 1947.15 specifically section two that says we have to have a streamlined administrative procedure process for them to at least get their facts in front of somebody to determine if they're eligible Our housing department has a pretty good screening system in terms of the documentation that needs to come in and can deny the petitions right then and there. There's also some other, for some of these slumlords I believe we have a program that some of these people are in and if they're in that program they're not going to be eligible for this type of rent increase until they bring their property into compliance.

So we definitely encourage all of the residents out there to please contact code division, council members, city attorney's office so that we can make sure that the property therein is code compliant or at least it's marked as not compliant so that they can't take advantage of this but there's enough guardrails here to where somebody that is falling into the categories that you're talking about it would be very difficult for them to get a major increase

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:11:51

I just want to say, I do appreciate staff's work. I appreciate everybody and their... This is a lot. I get it. It's not going to be perfect. I just believe we can do better and I cannot support this the way it's written. So I would love for it to come back, get back in the room and really talk about it But if and that's just my opinion, you know. So I

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:12:27

will leave it at

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:12:27

that.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:12:28

Thank you, Councilwoman. And if it's OK, Councilman Rodriguez we'll go to Councilwoman Perez and then to you.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction4:12:32

I think I had a clarifying question to what some of her statements. I'm sorry, I don't mean to interject but I think what would be helpful to me is if you feel so strongly about your concerns, what specific section needs to be fine-tuned because I know that there was a lot of work done in the section of what qualifies for the petition? Is that the set of six? I think it was point zero seven

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:12:54

I believe that what qualifies is great. What disqualifies then is also written well, but there is more work. There's just to me... I'm going to put my landlord hat on. I'm gonna take this and I'm gonna tear it apart. I can't support this.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:13:15

Can I just offer just a bit of clarity really quick? I just want to make sure that everyone, I'm completely clear that here rent control was already passed so irregardless of what happens tonight tomorrow landlord can move forward with the fair rate of return This is just regulations put guardrails on so if for whatever reason this doesn't move forward it's We still can move forward with a fair rate of return. It just causes so much more potential, you know, takings claims because there's no guardrails whatsoever.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction4:13:55

So my specific clarification was... And so what I understand is there has been workshops. There have been all parties from different stakeholder groups and folks have had the opportunity to share feedback. I'm not disagreeing with what my colleagues are saying. I want to hear you all loud and clear Is there any value to approve something and then get feedback a year from now? Because a lot of this work has been happening for years, and you've been at the table longer than I have. So what specifically because I see the hardship appeal piece regulation 1.07, I think there was a lot of work in wordsmithing but what I do appreciate is the dos and don'ts. And I think if there's specific concerns about those and tightening that up, I think that's the conversation for edits to be had.

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:14:41

So I will speak to the hardship, it's not going to happen or right now in the political arena that we're at they're not going to come forward. It's not gonna happen so we are writing a regulation that is a false hope they're not gonna come. That it's to know the community to write something as to know the community that's not it's not gonna work Is it going to be perfect? Absolutely not. And I greatly appreciate the work that's been done. I greatly, greatly do. I just cannot support this tonight.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:15:14

Thank you Councilwoman. Councilwoman Perez?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:15:18

Yeah, I just want to kind of also offer some insight. I mean having talked to community I mean, I've seen firsthand what these conditions are. And again as Council Member Basuah not every landlord it's not a universal issue but this is an issue that directly impacts my district and I just can't turn a blinds eye to that. As we've heard tonight, ultimately this is for corporations and LLCs. This isn't the mom-and-pops of the world.

And I think, you know, when you think about the mission of creating a business there is an investment piece but there is that requirement to ensure that the services or the property that's being inhabited is in living conditions. And I just don't think we're there yet. We're not there yet. I haven't seen a track record at least in my district where property managers have Have made these repairs and again, I can't speak for the others that are across outside of my district. I mean we're looking at just South Oxnard particularly this is just an estimated range of 24 to $2,800 a month in rent.

$100, whether it's a $100 one-time increase that does have an impact on families' pockets. Whether it's food having to decide how they're going to spend now save up for an additional hundred dollars each month I think is in this time right now especially with the cost of living already being so high. I definitely see that we're just not yet At that point where I and I agree with staff, I think that we definitely need to have guardrails in place. I'm a big believer of having a procedure in place. I just think I won't forget what the long term impacts are and I just can't support something where I think this will have long term implications I think it's hard for people to already navigate any, you know, a potential increase when I think it's definitely on the landlord to do If that is the business that they have entered and want to support this community.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:17:57

Thank you, Councilwoman. Council Member Perla, go ahead.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:18:01

I appreciate the discussion back and forth. I appreciate the work that staff has put in this. I sat on the committee. The vote was 3-0 in support. I want to remind those who didn't get a chance to see the committee one of the main advocates for changes with Barbara Macri-Ortiz. She had seven things she wanted changed At the very end, she didn't get what she wanted but she still supported the proposal as it would put guardrails in a system that didn't have them. Very much sounding similar to what Mr. Andrew McDonald mentioned, the city attorney and I just want to share that with you.

I know there's no perfect solution but I hold Macriorty's on these types of things in high regard

PresenterAlba Marshallsupervisor for the programProposedself-stated4:18:46

And then I didn't want to interject. I'm not sure Council wanted to speak but right now we have two pending fair term petitions, there's going to be nothing in regards It can go up to whatever the hearing officer decides for rent increases. So I'm just sharing that with everyone here present and then additionally, I did want to share that typically tenants are able to provide documentation at these hearings and so they provide images they provide videos.

They're also able to give their testimony at that hearing as well and be able to demonstrate until the hearing officer in making a decision takes all of that information into consideration. And obviously if they're able to demonstrate, you know there's mushrooms in the building or there's other things that are happening and I've seen it in our community so I know what you're speaking with Council Member Basuah.

They will process all of that and then we also get code involved too because it should be something that should be repaired for that habitability. So I wanted to share with that and I know Deputy City Attorney Mr. Gonzalez had something else to share as well.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:19:54

Just briefly, Councilwoman Perez you had brought up the mom and pop landlords here. I just wanted to make certain that council was aware inside of our regulations we do have a section specifically dealing with vega petitions and that's when the base year is disproportionately low for listed reasons this is on page 121 of Some of the listed reasons are there existed between the tenant and the owner a family relationship or close friendship. The rent had not been increased for several years prior to the base date, while rent in the community generally was increased. The tenant or tenants performed services for their owner. There was low maintenance of the property by the owner in exchange for low rent increases or no rent increases, or there existed an other special circumstance which affected the level outside of the market factors.

And I just want to highlight this because those exceptions are in there specifically for situations dealing with, I believe what you were getting at.

PresenterAlba Marshallsupervisor for the programProposedself-stated4:20:53

And I want to just kind of add on to the vega petition. I know it's complicated and a lot of these terminology is, you know, it's hard for most people to digest even staff itself. You know, it takes time. It's we do it every day so it's different than someone else that's not as familiar but an example like a vega petition is we've had landlords come into the office And the tenants are on board. It's maybe a 5% increase, a little bit higher, 6% increase. There are certain things that have been done and updated. The tenants are fine with it. The landlord is fine with it but I still stand and say underneath our current ordinance it's capped at 4%. The only way to move further would be through the fair and term petition process There are scenarios that do arise, and so this does provide for that avenue through that vaga petition.

And those are typically for small landlords. The majority have like four or less units. Some just have one. It varies. Each one's on a case-by-case basis. But I just did want to share that with Council.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:21:50

Thank you very much. What I heard at committee myself was I mean, I just think it's unfair to have our staff try to hear these cases without any guidelines whatsoever. And so they need some direction is what I'm hearing and that's what we had discussed at committee at length because the same amount I think it opens up our city to litigation there's no consistency in the process but there is no process and I think that's where we are really struggling with I heard Maria Navarro.

Then we may need to refine some areas, but I think we need a starting point. Any further comments? Go ahead Councilwoman.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction4:22:34

I just had a clarifying question because in one of the public comments that was shared earlier somebody shared a concern about not entering an agreement that the other party claimed they had agreed to and I'm not sure if that falls under the vega petition or How would we verify that there was an agreement for lower rent in exchange of me keeping up with my landscape, let's say at a home or whatnot? How would we verify something like that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:23:03

I'll take that one. So basically if they're in there and they're saying we had this agreement, we're going to want to see the written document. And I think any hearing officer that's looking at this is not going to take the word of a landlord Saying, oh no you agree to this when there's nothing in writing. No evidence of it so you would take it on face value and give it the weight that it should be given which is probably zero in terms

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction4:23:28

of your burden of proof. So what I'm hearing from you is we would need written agreements and I think that's the educational piece when folks are renting. You know if it's a larger unit versus just my word as my bond And this is what we agreed to pay for rent. There's so many different rental agreements and different variations that I could see why some of the folks who are concerned with what we're about to vote on would say, folks didn't understand what was happening in the workshop or wait, we needed more time to be educated on how all of this works but something even as simple as a written agreement is not something that every landlord and tenant have which sounds very interesting or it sounds far-fetched but it actually happens a lot

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:24:12

May I ask Ms. Lopez, just hearing the comments here from the public, is this something that we can bring back to committee and workshop it again? And just address some of the concerns that Councilwoman Basu brought, maybe the concerns that Councilman Perez brought up and also Miss Navarro. Is there something we can do and then bring it right back? Go ahead, Councilwoman.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction4:24:38

Mr. Mayor, I had a clarifying before she answers that question. There was concern about two current petitions in the queue. Is there a timeline? And you know, everything is so time sensitive that if that timeline is a concern, I would really like to have that acknowledged before we postpone any conversations.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:24:58

Thank you, Councilwoman. Ashley, did you want to speak? Ms. Golden. I was going to offer what we talked about at committee This is not perfect. We all compromised, including the city as we went through this of weighing risk and coming back all sides. And I know you're not hearing from the realtor side as much, but there was a lot of compromise there as well.

What we offered at the committee and what I'll offer again tonight is to put something in place and have a report back period for us because every time we go through one of these processes, we learn something every time a new city adopts a new regulation We learned something. And we've seen that for the four years, nearly four years that this has been in place. So since 2022 luckily we've had consistent staff with Alba and we have learned a lot. We've had consistent staff with Andrew and we've learned a lot but every time we're able to process one of these, we do better. And so I think having a regulation in place not just for these two pending that we have but for the next ones that may come it helps us. And we also then are on kind of the radar of other cities to share information more easily, to go through this.

But we said it often tonight and we said it often at committee with or without this regulation, fair rate of returns are going to happen. And that's why they're in process. That's why we reported seven and then Alba went back and has now the eight that are there. So just from committee to now, there's eight total so that was our ask is allow it? It's not perfect. I don't know the right solution to the deferred maintenance which really seems An underlining issue that we're trying to address through a process that's a little bit different than what it's intended to be then for that. I'm happy to look at other regulations for inspections, it's not hard to bring something back but you kind of want what set standard that you're being measured against to bring it back and this would provide for that and so I offer that again as a report back period and changes and I think that you've seen I mean, I have our timeline of meeting with the group.

March 25th, April 10th, April 17th, April 18th, May 27th, May 28th, July 17th August 26th, September 3rd, September 18th September 19th, October 20th, December 1st. We're not afraid to talk to any of these people. We welcome that opportunity. We're available. We are getting the feedback continually. Those are all the edits that came from the community. We want to hear that. We want to make it better. We want to support both sides and still protect this city.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:27:26

Thank you, Ms. Golden. Would Councilwoman Basu or Councilwoman Perez be open to the idea if one of us makes a motion to adopt this tonight as is with the addition that he come back to us in exactly three months with just a full report of, just the workings of it. And at that point we can workshop it again with CAHs and representatives of CAHS, with other stakeholders, all the key stakeholders, the realtors et cetera are on our staff to just bring back- Six months. I'm sorry six months. I am sorry thank you. Six months would that, would you be open to something like that?

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:28:02

I think and I guess I need to explain myself a little bit further I'm not happy with what are we doing for those tenants that are going to help them get through the process with the landlord of their hearing for the fair market return. What are we doing? Rent control, rent stabilization was because we needed to help the community. We had an issue. We had to help the community. I think it's written well but I just feel that we as a city have a right and we have an obligation to protect those.

And I think we've heard it from CAWS. It was just too convoluted, too many things happening. What is our process once that landlord brings a petition? Because they are entitled to. I'm not discouraging that. Not at all. What is our process to ensure that that tenant is given every single information that they're going to need in order to say this isn't right or this is right. What are we doing? Are we doing anything?

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:29:27

And if I can just add one more thing before you answer, Ms. Lopez, another concern that was brought up is when we involve our renters the concern is filling out those forms and the questions that are being asked and then our protection of that information particularly what's happening in this country with our federal agents The chance that some of that information could be shared with others. So there's a lot of uncertainty, there's a lot of concern as to what is being asked and if there's an opportunity or potential not to ask certain questions that may be injurious to the privacy of the tenants.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed4:30:01

Thank you. I'll try to recall the points that I was going to cover. I first want to start off with, I am here to house families. I come from the housing authority side of us which we help low to very low income families. So I'm asking a lot when they say trust me that I would be looking at yes balancing the landlords. I need supply of housing affordable housing in the community But also the needs of the community that I serve. I know firsthand my community, I wouldn't be pushing aggressively if I felt that we had something in place where I could do my job. I feel that if we don't pass this item tonight, the simplest way I can put it is it's already there. There's already petitions And I have nothing, no resources, no tools to be able to safeguard and look out.

I'm looking out for my landlords as well but my tenants if I have nothing that tells me this is definitely excluded. This is included. If you, I mean the details we actually now put timeframes. We put who's getting the notice? When are they getting it? When is it posted? When when is it a complete application? All of this is coming from our experience on the rise that we've seen With very high increases in rent, and our community struggling and you know having a voice to come forward and ask for help. So I would ask though instead of three months if I may, I will recommend at least six months so that I actually have something tangible to come Thank you.

Carrying out our programs since 2022, and we saw that we needed to make improvements. So I believe that should speak to our commitment that we will come back and we will say actually now that we have the applications, we have something in process. We processed applications. This is what we're finding. And yes, we are committed to coming back, communicating if we believe any updates or improvements need to be made to this fair rate return petition process. But I do agree we need to have something in place right now is still going to go through And there's nothing in place to the point of how do we make sure that our clients or tenants are getting their notices, that they're getting assistance. Well right now there is no clarity and that's exactly what we're trying to put in there.

You have to file within this time frame. This is what has to be received as far as our community. Our staff is there. We we do not require our families to make an appointment, we will take the phone calls I will take the walk-ins if we cannot help them on the spot we will take the information we'll circle back with the families you've heard us we work with COS, we work with Barbara, we work with CRLA Housing Rights Center and we might be on opposite ends but we are here to do everything we can to Yes, make sure everything's being followed but also that our tenants are being heard.

As far as what's going on in our community I agree. I run a public health and authority program and I think the best solution I can think of is outreach, community awareness. That's something that staff and I have discussed about going out to the community and talking about these ordinances and simplifying what does this mean? What are your rights? Where can you get help?

And saying we are here to help. Exactly something that I heard about, how do they know what form? How do they know where to fill it out? We have translation services as well if it's in a language or dialect that we cannot assist in, we have professionals that can you know we can bring into help. So overall my response would be that this is a good starting point. We can come back, give you feedback on how it's going but without a process we will also have nothing to protect the very same people we are saying we're trying to protect because I will have nothing to say, no landlord that does not, that is just different, not just, that is deferred maintenance that you failed to take care of over the years and now you want to bump up 20%.

I will have nothing. So yes, they'll produce their documentation and I won't have anything to point to and say nope this is what our ordinance reads. So I think my answer would be we need something. I agree come back and report but without anything this is still going to move forward.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:34:34

Thank you. We'll just go to Council Member Starr then Mayor Pro Tem.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed4:34:42

I'm inclined to support the recommendation, not because I like what we have. To me this is only going to define a due process. If it were up to me, rent controls or price controls of any kind. There's 4,000 years of history showing that price controls do not work. They just destroy the markets but what's offered to us today is I guess the lesser of two evils if you will for me it's the least bad option so given that even though I think I've made myself pretty clear where I stand on Thank you, Council Member Starr. Ms. Golden then we'll go to Mayor Pro Tem.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:35:56

I just felt that staff didn't clearly address Councilwoman Basuah and quite frankly, Councilwoman Perez's question on how the tenants are involved. And with a few of our cases if I can just have Andrew speak to How he's seen the tenants be able to be involved in legal representation or not. The help there, which is what drove some of where we are clearly were not there yet. But I think just hearing the accessibility currently or how that has worked may give some comfort. Again it's not perfect but Andrew if you can talk about that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:36:27

Yeah so here just like the landlords the tenants also can be represented obviously not by the city but they can have their own representation For one of the cases, as Barbara mentioned she had moved forward with representation for one of the fair rate of return cases that happened in the past. The other thing that I wanted to highlight too and then any other questions please let me know is as the ordinance currently stands now, even without these regulations a fair return petition shall be decided within 60 calendar days of the date that the application has been deemed complete. So regardless of having these regulations or not for the cases that housing had mentioned depending on when those were provided to them it needs to move forward in 60 days

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:37:17

Thank you, Andrew.

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:37:17

So if I may say something, Andrew, Barbara Macri-Ortiz is an angel. She does almost all of this for free. She doesn't charge much. I don't know of any other attorneys that are going to be able to assist at the level that Barbara does. So when I'm asking what are we as a city doing to ensure that they have what they need still hasn't really been answered for me That's why I can't approve this.

It's well-written. If I can get that question answered, I will move forward. I will vote yes tonight but I don't see what we're doing in order to prepare our residents to challenge if there is a challenge. I just don't see what we're doing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:38:12

Councilwoman Basu, if I can answer that and then I'll leave Parts to housing staff. Right now, there's no protections for the tenants. There's no economic hardship appeal. There's nothing. They can try to go to Superior Court by themselves and that's going to be just about impossible. It's a non-starter. Now here we're establishing a framework that gives them the tools and assistance from staff. And we don't quite know how that's gonna work. We're gonna have a few bumps in the road and a few kinks to work out In terms of getting the forms and taking the appointments, and at some point probably even filling out forms for them. And making sure that they've got everything in, and potentially granting some extensions. But this is a process where we haven't done it yet.

We haven't had the opportunity, and we don't have the framework. The city attorney's office and our housing staff are going to try very hard to make sure that the tenants get what they have if they're gonna file a hardship appeal. Right?

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:39:13

And I think if you recall what I said, that's the one area I'm not happy with. That's exactly what I'm not happy with. They're not going to take it. So I just want to make sure I'm heard on that hardship they're not going to take it. I think the thought process was great but when I'm out at the community and that was the biggest thing You know, especially again I'm going to say it again in this political arena. They're not going to do it so I'm gonna leave it at that.

Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:39:49

Mayor if I may because I hear Councilwoman Basu is primary concern and I appreciate that this is not easy and it's certainly not simplistic So part of our job as a local government is to do our best to treat everybody the same. And that's not always easy, but that includes in this instance not just tenants but also landlords. Now going to reality regardless of everything else that's happening in this country There are always a handful of bad landlords and there are always a handful of bad tenants. We know that, that's just ordinary reality but with these extraordinary circumstances over the last year and certainly well into this year we can understand why the playing field is so unlevel right now.

One thing we might be able to do, Councilwoman Basila, to satisfy your concern is as a part of this let us invest in providing actual workshops for tenants but we have to also provide workshops for landlords. So let us invest in setting up some formal bilingual workshops if that would help you feel better about, well we wouldn't be advocating but we would advocate for them to get all the knowledge they need. Again, for landlords as well.

So I think that's not an unrealistic thing to invest in when you're implementing something that's new to this community.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:41:48

Thank you Alex for that. Councilman, is it okay if we go to Mayor Pro Tem? Yes.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:41:58

Did you have a response Councilwoman or do you want to think about that a little bit?

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:42:02

I'm going

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:42:02

to

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction4:42:04

think about it.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:42:05

Okay well I just want to ask because at this point I've heard the discussion and I appreciate The points that have been made and the concerns that may brought up, hearing what Ms. Lopez and Ms. Marshall and our city attorneys have said I'm willing at this point to move that we approve the proposed resolution establishing administrative regulations to implement the provisions of the rent stabilization ordinance regarding fair rate of return petition regulation.

That's the recommendation on the staff report. in at least six months that we document how the process is working if it were approved by council tonight. And I'm willing to give you a little bit of extra time, Ms. Lopez where let's do at least six months and let's plan for report back to council in quarter two of next fiscal year. So that is my recommendation or excuse me, that's my motion. That is my motion. I'll second that.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:43:06

Any further discussion?

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:43:11

I appreciate the importance of highlighting I don't know if this impacts landlords and tenants, but if we want to be very clear historically, we're in a time where we recognize that the playing field has never been leveled. And I think not to speak for a specific individual, but I will say go back and reference a comment that was made at the last committee meeting.

move away from this notion in the staff report that there was consensus, but in terms of the conversations that I've had directly with constituents in my district, there's no guardrails in place for them. And so I still think that there is a big gap between who benefits here and again with all the policy, I know we as city government have to think about guardrails and procedure.

But again, I think that this still with an increase the 10% that's listed here really want to distinguish between the rent cap in the 10%, but there's a reason why we have a rent cap. And I know that there are two separate things, and this gives a landlord the ability to petition. But still, I don't think that this levels the playing field even for our tenants who Who are still, you know, negatively impacted in our community and understand that there's a gap in that desire there.

So I'll be voting no.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:44:54

Thank you Councilwoman. Any other discussion? Comments? Go ahead Mayor Patu.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:45:01

Thank you. I appreciate the members of the community who came out here tonight. Appreciate CAWS reaching out directly, and then I appreciate all the work staff has put into this. What I appreciate most in watching the committee meeting as well was the phased approach that was taken as well as the collaborative approach that was taken with the Realtors Association, with CAWS and other community members, and with Ms. Macri-Ortiz and with staff To me, that speaks volumes in the amount of energy and goodwill that was put towards this. And I don't believe that we reached consensus. I think that we reached compromise.

And this isn't perfect and I don't think it's meant to be perfect at this point. The way I see it is that statewide we have rent stabilization or rent control. And I'm looking at it and as of August 1st of 2025, it was 5% plus CPI which was 3%. And so that would allow for a maximum increase of 8%. That's double what is allowed in the city of Oxnard. 4%. And I was also involved along with my colleagues in those discussions back when it was 5%, then it was 2%, and then it was 4%.

The absence of our local ordinance and the absence of the state law means that the market would charge whatever the market will bear. And I said every single time we had a hearing about rent stabilization, I said this will not lower rent but we can at least try to stabilize and slow it down as far as increase goes for people who live here now. And I hope people remember that, the intention and the mechanism was never to lower people's rent There are other factors that hopefully will stabilize rent and be able to keep it at something that is attainable to the working class people and the skill sets that people have in Oxnard now.

It's a whole other conversation though, but the point I want to make is that those guardrails are in place at the state level and within our ordinance for rent stabilization. For this here, as was mentioned there are no guardrails and I see this as the collaborative compromise that all the parties came up with, all those stakeholders. This is a way to ensure that the obligation the city has in the fair rate of return process is met.

It's something that the Realtors Association has agreed to and been part of the conversation on And it also has components that continue to protect tenants and give them opportunities to be part of this process. So while it's not perfect, as was mentioned, I'm very pleased with how we got to where we are now and I'm willing to give it a chance and at least put those guardrails in place so that the things I just talked about are there to help protect tenants, to help protect landlords, and to be able to protect the city as well.

in meeting our obligations. So that's why I made the motion and I appreciate that staff is willing to come back and give us an update if Council passes this tonight. So those are my comments, Mayor. Appreciate the time on that. Thank

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:48:21

you. Councillor Rodriguez?

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction4:48:23

Just one last clarifying question based on comments that I heard. There's still the ability to submit the petition right? That so that currently is in place, so this doesn't stop or withhold anybody from submitting a petition. OK? Yes, you can

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:48:35

still submit the position.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction4:48:36

Yeah, OK

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:48:37

thank you. Thank you and I'm just going to have these comments too. I appreciate them. The collaborative efforts and I'm hearing the concern from members of cause Maria and others. I will support this item but I would certainly urge our staff I would like to come back to us in six months with a report, and if we need a workshop it will be open to that. And then also to ensure that there is some protections for the forms that the tenants have to fill out if any. And also to see if there's a way to involve them as well should a landlord come and make a petition and show receipts etc., maybe build a mechanism in there where we can much like the Councilwoman mentioned Basuah about involving Verifying with them directly if they're making a contention that they put in a new countertop of new carpet involving the tenant Essentially having him or her verify.

Yeah, in fact, they put a new carpet not only in the living room but in fact throughout the houses as The landlord is This is a

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:49:57

Just to clarify for my motion, I know you mentioned six months right now. I stated that as well but I said at least six months with the report to come to us in quarter two which would be towards the end of this calendar year so that way they have if they need that extra room or there's some petitions in the queue that those can be addressed as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed4:50:15

Yeah, that's fine. Thank you. Question is that quarter two of the next fiscal year or quarter two of the calendar year?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role4:50:21

That's what I stated as the next fiscal year. So thank you. November, December. October, November, December. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:50:32

Any other questions or comments? Madam Clerk, are there any other speakers we haven't called

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction4:50:36

on? Mayor and Council members know there's no additional speakers in person or virtually. Okay,

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:50:42

I'll call for the vote.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction4:50:44

Councilwoman Basuah? No. Councilmember Peralta? Yes. Councilwoman Beres? No Councilman Starr?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed4:50:57

Yes.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction4:50:58

Mayor Pro Tempteran?

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:50:59

Yes.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction4:51:00

Mayor McArthur?

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:51:02

Yes

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction4:51:02

And this motion carries five to two, thank you. Thank you

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:51:06

everyone. Next we will move to item N2. This is from the housing department subject lease agreement with Teatro de las Americas recommendations that city council one Authorized the mayor to execute a lease agreement with Teatro de las Américas for the use of property owned by the City of Oxford located at 321 West 6th Street for a term of three years, with two one-year options to extend the agreement at the discretion of the city manager.

For a total of five years and an annual fee of $1.00 in quarterly rent up to $2,970 of their quarterly gross revenues in excess of $10,560. And two, authorize the mayor to forgive past due rent to the city in the amount of $15,690 for the past due rent through January 2026 plus a daily pro reta share through February 2026. The Community Services, Public Safety and Housing Economic Development Committee approved this item two to one on January 13th, 2026.

To approve the staff recommendation with amendments and to forward the item to council. Our housing director Brenda Lopez is here to answer any questions staff may have of her. Are there any questions of staff on this particular item? Council Member Starr, DECU, go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed4:52:43

I guess what I'm trying to understand is this, is that there was a lease that was executed. It was beginning December of 2024 and we've received no rent on this for 14 months so they've accumulated this balance. So I guess what I'm trying to understand is what were we doing to pursue this rental income that we were entitled to during this 14-month period especially since they defaulted the very first month?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed4:53:14

Good evening, Brenda Lopez, Director for the Housing Department. Thank you for the question. My understanding is that the current tenant was making improvements in exchange for rent credits. As far as I'm concerned, I don't know how to answer that question. What I can share is that when I was assigned to this role we started looking at all of our agreements Looking at our ledgers and in this case, a conversation was had with the tenant on you know what's going on with your rent payments. To me it sounded like a misunderstanding on when rent payments were going to start so when we started the dialogue of okay this is what was approved by our council, this is what's owed, when can we expect payment? that started the conversations of their financial situation for the fiscal year, and the request for consideration of waiving the pass-through rent.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed4:54:12

I guess I'm not buying into the confusion argument. Basically when you sign a lease, the terms are pretty well defined. You don't get to say later on, well, I didn't understand the lease so therefore I'm not paying you. So from my standpoint I feel like we dropped the ball here in that we should have basically, if necessary take them to court at that time to get them to start paying the rent. But I would have started an eviction process if I wasn't being paid for after month after month after month and we weren't doing anything to collect it? I just don't understand that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed4:55:00

I can speak to it. It looks from what I gathered, it looks like the outstanding balance after the last staff report was about $1,800. So to your point could have probably made in two payments again. I cannot speak to a process that I was not involved in but the process now is that all of our agreements have to be set up through our financial system where We are queuing our invoicing, so let's just say I wasn't here and the assigned project manager wasn't here. Our finance team would see that there is an outstanding debt that is occurring and would be able to follow up on payment at least on my end that's what we've done to make sure that this doesn't occur where there's more than one staff member involved and there's a cross balance between departments on collection of any agreements or rent payments.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:55:52

Thank you, Ms. Lopez. Any other questions? If not we'll go to our public speakers. We have Anna Van Hoven followed by Saul Escobedo.

PresenterAna Van HovenTeatro Las AmericasProposedself-stated4:56:09

Good evening, Mayor McArthur and members of the City Council and city staff. I am Ana Van Hoven. I am the Executive Director of Teatro Las Americas. I have been the Executive Director for about six months now. And I'm not going to be here—I'm not going to give you a speech about how teatro has an impact in the community. You already know that. You have our stats. You have the report.

I am asking for help. I took Councilmember Perello's comments to heart and although we are, the torch has been passed down to me and my artistic director and my marketing director. We just became a team in November. We don't have any ties to major businesses, donors or industry partners, we don't know any rich people. But we're ready to meet them and frankly I've only met maybe two of you so yeah most of you don't know who I am. So this landed in my lap and I'm grateful for it. We do come with baggage and we are asking for forgiveness but frankly I'm going to ask for your guidance and your trust in that the new leadership of Tatro is ready to take this to the next level Yeah, I know it's not an easy decision. I know there could be ramifications.

There could be some backlash from people but it really is in your hands and we hope that you give Datra a second chance especially now with new leadership so thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role4:57:47

Thank You Hannah. So do you need an interpreter? Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed4:58:03

Good evening, members of the council and Mayor McArthur. I belong to the theater from 2022. This is a community theater,

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:58:30

it's not a commercial theater. There's not one member from the theater that lives out of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed4:58:36

this.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:58:55

Nuestra labor se apoya en el trabajo de voluntarios.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed4:58:58

Our job is through volunteers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:59:02

Y nuestra labor convoca a un sector de la población

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed4:59:07

And our job is for a sector of the community, for a sector of the community

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:59:12

Que habla un lenguaje que lo conecta a sus raíces y a su identidad

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed4:59:17

The speak a language that connects to their roots and speaks about

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:59:23

Con el cual podemos expresar sentimientos y emociones.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed4:59:31

Through that language, we could express our emotions and our feelings.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:59:36

Y una cosmovisión que no podría manifestarse en otra lengua.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed4:59:42

In a cosmovision that you would not be able to transmit through any other language.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:59:48

El hecho de que un proyecto como el Teatro de las Américas se

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed4:59:52

ha acogido en una propiedad de la ciudad a la cual le

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:59:56

sirve, habla bien de esa ciudad, de sus valores

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed5:00:00

y sus principios And this is why I'm here to support the proposal from Mayor McArthur. Thank you very much.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:00:32

Thank you, Saul. Juliana Acosta followed by Heather Lund

PresenterJuliana AcostaTeatro de las Americas and I will quickly like to invite you to Teatro de las AmProposedself-stated5:00:44

Hi, good evening Mayor, City Council and community members. I am Juliana Acosta and I'm the Artistic Director of Teatro de las Americas and I will quickly like to invite you to Teatro de las Americas on February 7th where we will have a Taller de Cine. On February 4th which is tomorrow we begin the children's school program and on February 14th we have a very intimate concert Amor Odio.

Now with that in mind, Teatro de las Americas belongs to every single person in here. We are a non-profit community theater which means it's operated by members of the community mainly for the members of this community and I wanted to give an example of that is not just our you know theater, the ones that work there. About a week ago we have a small garden right outside our door and someone cleaned it up like weeded it out and I asked everyone who did this and everybody said it was none of us so it was obvious that it was just someone that's around the community and to me that it just means so much that they value us and they know that we're there and they know that all of us are Teatro de las Americas So, we are a non-profit organization and we do survive off of your support and the support of the community.

And as you know, we are the only Spanish language theater in the county, and I don't have to tell you what that means to me matters, why that matters now to our people, to our community, and to our country at this moment. I hope to see all of you at Taller de Cine and the Amor de Odio concert and all of our future events. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:02:27

Thank you, Juliana. Heather? And Heather, you'll be followed by Margaret Cortese.

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CommentHeather LoonProposedself-stated5:02:39

Good evening Mayor MacArthur and council members of the City of Oxnard. My name is Heather Loon. I am employed locally at a civil rights non-profit law firm and volunteer as a community advocate with various local grassroots organizations. Outside of these roles, I am a friend too and an actress at Teatro de las Americas. I am here today as a community advocate and a friend of Teatro de las Americas.

Teatro de las Americas is a unique and special place nestled in the heart of Oxnard. It is the only bilingual theater in Ventura County. It is a place where people from all walks of life, and representations of our beloved community can go to enjoy a show safely whether it be a play, a musical performance or any other event meant for the Oxnard community and beyond.

I have had attorney friends from Los Angeles see my debut in Alicia's Miracle, a play about pesticides and its negative effects on the Oxnard community. And in Sonidos Ausencias, a play about the immigrant experience and how that experience differs across social economic backgrounds. Both plays were performed in English and Spanish respectively. My friends along with others were able to enjoy the performances due to the subtitles and props provided by the staff at Teatro de las Americas.

Many of who do the labor for free and for the love of the community and the arts. I asked the mayor to please renew the lease with the agreement with the Teatro de las Americas at 321 West 6th Street, at the recommended annual fee of $1 and to forgive past due rent. As you heard most of all of us we do it for free. Low attendance in the past year has been due to the increasing presence of mass federal agents in the community, making many of us including community members feel unsafe rather than protected. That there is happy to provide monthly reports to the city of the events that are taking place and we hope to see council members and the mayor at future events. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:04:31

Thank you very much Heather. Thank you Margaret followed by Mateo Escobedo

CommentMargaret CorteseProposedself-stated5:04:43

Good evening members of the Oxnard City Council, Mayor, staff, friends. I'm Margaret Cortese. I am one of the founders of Teatro de las Americas. We started in 92 so we've been going for a long time. Some of the problems with financing in the past years, I have to take responsibility for that. I've never been very good at it but we tried to pay our bills most of the time. We made some very good deals with the city when we moved into The current space, which was a disaster when we went in there. It was really a mess and with the support of Pablo Garcia who is one of our supporters, we went in there and spiffed it up and if you have not been there please do come and check it out. It's a humble little place but we want to keep doing this.

I just want to express my gratitude to you all, the city council, the staff for your support over the years and your continued support. We know you love us but we also know that we have to work on contracts and living up to our responsibility to pay our way as much as we can so I just want to thank you. That's my main message.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:06:11

Thank you, Ms. Cortese. Thank you. Madam Clerk, does that conclude the speakers? I'm sorry we have Mateo coming up. Mateo, sorry. Anybody online, Madam Clerk?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction5:06:21

Mayor and Council Members, no. We do not have any virtual speakers for this item. Thank you. Thank

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:06:26

you. Go ahead, Mateo. All

CommentMateo EscobedoProposedself-stated5:06:29

right. Good evening, Mayor McArthur and Council Members of the City of Oxnard. My name is Mateo Escobedo. I am currently a student at the University of Cal State Channel Islands I've actually been working to make both Teatro and this university to both be able to be community partners together. I think that's been very important, and I'm also working for a theater company in Santa Barbara called Box Tales Theater Company. And I mention all this because none of this would have happened if it wasn't after or during joining Teatro de las Americas where I met A lot of amazing people, very special people. It's been my second home for me and my family. My dad earlier, Saúl Escobedo, and my mother, Araceli Collazo who is currently leading the Amorodio concert for February 14th as well.

So we've been involved together at this theater. I've been able to have a lot of opportunities as an actor and as a sound and light technician. Teatro gave me that opportunity as well. Some names to mention, Ana Van Hoven who I spoke with a lot to bring CSUCI as a community partner and Juliana Costa for helping me and my parents to bring us into the teatro. Same thing with Margaret Cortese when she was at the theater.

And I just wanted to mention that. I really hope the theater continues on With the lease agreement, forgive past rent dues because for me it's been my second home and I know it has been for many people both as audience members volunteer workers tech people or as actors. And I hope many people also the same age as me can discover this theater who I hear many people who say oh I've never heard about this theater right across the street and they see it and it's a whole new world bilingual theater With many shows, I'm currently an actor as well in one show called Manifest Destiny Descent.

It's nothing but friends and family. And that's all I wanted to say. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:08:47

Thank you very much, Mateo. Thank you. Go ahead, Ms. Goldman. Was that the end of the public speakers? I think I heard... Yes. But actually we're just going to take a quick motion to go past 10 o'clock.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:08:58

Second.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:08:59

Thank you. Madam Clerk, call for the vote.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction5:09:02

I just wanted to add a little bit more because

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:09:06

I

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction5:09:06

kind of put Brenda in a bad spot there to answer that. She wasn't the director

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:09:26

And she didn't know about this, she came from the public housing side. So the two staff people that were assigned to this left one left in December of 2024 and one left in February of 2025. So at that time that the person left, that's when the just under 2000 was due shortly thereafter that then the assistant director left in July. Brenda was appointed interim sometime in February, so it was discovered and then we started active negotiations with Teatro at that time so it wasn't that any side was just ignoring it, it just passed from person to person to person during the negotiation. So the bigger past due is really over this last year as well And we partially went into those negotiations in good faith, knowing that it's coming due and it's coming to the council one way or another and there's a decision made.

So we didn't start eviction proceedings. They have been a good partner at that initial lease. Margaret alluded to this but they put in over $35,000 of improvements into that building so we knew that they were a good partner in that. They were affected by COVID. They kept operating. That's when they came back for the other lease agreement heavily impacted for ICE with ICE raids. There are volunteers, some of their shows canceled so all these discussions were going on and we just heard too I didn't know this part but they also had a change in leadership on their side so nothing was just sitting being completely ignored conversations would happen documentation Submitted we would review it ask more questions, and it evolved to this and it evolved to a different staff recommendation as well This tiered approach that's in there trying to figure out.

What is the right? You know we've really worked hard To not have no rent in city buildings We've really worked hard to get back to market value and a lot of analysis was done on this of in this case does it make sense We've got a vacant building otherwise. We have property maintenance issues, we have potential redevelopment of that block so there was a lot of discussions with both Teatro as well as amongst the staff and then change over there. So first Brenda I apologize to you that I didn't bail you out there with some of that history of answering the question and then just providing that overall context of what has happened along the way nothing was malicious on their side or our side or malfeasance and there's also I have a question. How much do we think this building could be rented for right now if we had somebody willing to pay?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:12:15

The staff report speaks to the

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:12:25

The reality is we also weren't looking to get into a very long-term lease from the city perspective because that site, as explained in the staff report and discussed with the staff recommendation, is a redevelopment site for us. We've already surplused a lot of the property on that site. We are a majority property owner and one of the other adjacent property owners on that block is also putting their buildings on the market. That's been discussed with Teton as well but finding a replacement lease for a very short term that doesn't then, you know, It's about 2,000 square feet or something like that. Close to that?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed5:13:28

$1,980. All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:13:30

right so about $3,000 per month would be the market rate so we're really talking about here is giving a subsidy of about three thousand dollars a month okay all right okay that's my question for now I'll help others later

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:13:51

Thank you. I'm prepared to support this item for all the reasons stated by Ms. Golden also for The, what the arts do for our community. The cultural enrichment, the economic revitalization to our downtown, the creative expression that happens in a theater. Everyone that belongs to that theater participates in it, completely volunteers. Not to mention the expenses that we incur having to protect a vacant place including security, including police calls for service.

So I think for all those reasons, I'm ready to support this item as is. Go ahead Councilwoman. I've known

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction5:14:33

and respected Catara Las Américas for a very long time at least since 2012. I have known of a lot of great performances they put together so it's no disrespect my concern is we work with other nonprofits who use city buildings and if they default on their payments I'm concerned that in the future we would have this conversation with other groups, because research is showing the trends that one out of every two nonprofits is going to go belly up in the next few years based on a lot of changes and grants.

I want to support Teatro de las Americas because I am impressed by a lot of good work. I've seen, I've been to free events the first Thursdays when they've done like improv and I know that through the Oxnard Monday Club we've also donated to Teatro de Las Americas right? Not too long ago we bought a projector so I truly believe...I don't know where the miscommunication happened or why they wouldn't have asked for a grant for rent from Monday Club versus a projector my concern is Like when we waive rent instead of My recommendation would be having Teatro do a fundraiser or something and pay back that rent because there has to be some accountability and if the Community is as committed as I think they would be then. I think that they could raise $1,800 It's no disrespect to the work that happens it's no disrespect to The legacy that they have had I remember Teatro when it used to be over with what is now Wagon Wheel Development back in the day and at Oxnard College.

And so I know the power of the organization, and coming from the nonprofit world, I know just how important it is for folks to rally and fundraise should this be important enough. And I know that they've done a lot of free performances all the time I, being one who has participated and benefited would have gladly donated X amount of dollars. So I just am concerned about our fiduciary responsibilities and considering other nonprofit partners that we have you know if we create this precedent then it's going to be hard.

And again no disrespect for the work and the arts, and the community that I love. And it's in District 4. So again, it sounds so contradictory but I'm just sharing with you all like my thought process and the need for some skin in the game too. You know? Not to say that a clean slate wouldn't be nice but there has to be some type of commitment. And also I would love to hear what's going to be different moving forward right?

I know that it's a volunteer ran organization. Is anybody stepping up to write grants? I mean, a lot of other non-profits are going to be struggling right now and we're going to have a lot more conversations with folks about their needs. Even those who seem robust right now.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:17:33

Thank you Councilwoman. Council Member Stark go ahead

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:17:36

if you have something first please.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:17:38

Just for clarification looking at the staff report can we have clarification from staff on what the past due rent in front of us is? What's being asked to be forgiven

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed5:17:50

Yes, that's correct. The 1830 is for the balance that was passed to from the original term which ended November of 2024 and then from December of 2024 and we calculate through January of this year the total will be $13,860 so it's a grand total of $15,690

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:18:13

Which, thank you Ms. Lopez and I just wanted that clarification just because it is a significant amount but I see exactly where you're coming from Councilwoman so appreciate the comments on that. But I just wanted to ask that clarifying question.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:18:27

Thank

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:18:27

you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:18:27

There's also, Ms. Lopez if you can speak on the there's a built in quarterly rent up to $2,970 of their quarterly gross revenues that is an excess of $10,560 correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed5:18:42

That is correct, so what we were proposing was to twofold. So obviously we've been speaking about encouraging the fundraising activities but also that we the housing department monitor the financials for Teton and be monitoring the thresholds to see when they're making a profit if you will and activate the rent of the 990 it would come up to 990 per month But that is correct, that we will be monitoring that they start making a profit so we start collecting rent. That's kind of what we fear to do some sort of a tier proposal and I do want to just reiterate that that's a great point about if you do it for one organization, you are also opening opportunity for other organizations. Something just I want to re-emphasize here is that this area we're looking at opportunities for large scale development That is true.

Another nonprofit might be in that situation, but at this point commercial leases for less than three most desirable five years are not just out there in most businesses. Once they start their business and need to relocate, etc., it takes time so the likelihood that we will be able to get a tenant quickly and that they will be okay with having to sign a very short lease also makes it difficult to rent this property.

Not even speaking to the arts here but also the fact that if we don't have a tenant then we're looking at the maintenance so they are responsible Thank you for clarifying that, because are those repairs and in-kind donations being tracked as contributions? I'm assuming we're asking for monetary payment versus the in-kind.

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CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction5:20:43

Or is that in the agreement? Well, I read the agreement. Are we keeping track of that and is that credit that they're getting for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed5:20:51

it? It's part of their agreement that they would continue to be responsible for those expenses and the way we'll be tracking them is asking for their financials for them to report to us. And of course too again, we see the property but we also expect it to be maintained by them otherwise we could take action.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction5:21:10

So you're telling me that the reason why this is so unique is because we have plans to develop that area, so it's not necessarily something we could do for any other non-profit organization.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed5:21:19

Correct. That is a big driving factor for us looking at commercial from the commercial perspective. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:21:26

Thank You Ms. Lopez. Council Member Starr? Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:21:30

I would really like to see this organization succeed. I mean many of you don't know this but I used to be involved in community theater in Simi Valley I served on the Simi Valley Cultural Arts Center Foundation. I was the treasurer. We had to sell tickets, and we had to seek the support of donors. We had to hustle. And I just kind of look at the numbers here now. I just haven't seen that here. So I'm looking at the old form 990s which is the tax returns You file as a not-for-profit.

And I saw that from like years 2018, maybe 23 grand of revenues total. 2022 was 16 grand. 2023 it was only seven grand. So yeah, I think that the work is not being done to really raise the money. The other issue I have, I don't know if staff is aware of this but you know. I looked them up on the Department of Justice with the State Attorney General's Office which you have to file an annual RRF-1 form and there has been times where the organization has been suspended basically.

The latest notice I see on the website there is from April 2024 to probation violation and potential revocation for failing to form IRS 990. I think that there's a lot of work that needs to be done, you need the administrative work, you need the behind-the-scenes work to make this done, you need people who are willing to raise money. It's not enough just to be artistic in this business, you've got to sell tickets You got to ask for donations.

Otherwise, even if we gave you something for free, you wouldn't succeed and I don't want you to not succeed. So I guess where I'm coming from is I am really uncomfortable with just forgiving rents that are due to us. I can understand maybe there's some sort of deal we can make based on the short time period that maybe This can be actually reasonably used by somebody else, but I can't accept zero.

Maybe if it was a couple thousand dollars a month that would make sense to me because normally I'd expect $3,000 to be the value, but not zero and I still want us to get paid what they agreed to pay us

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:24:32

Thank you, Councillor. From just that I think our city staff really took a deep dive into trying to find the best agreement they could recognizing all the variables involved and what it would cost us to have it vacant as well because of uniqueness of where the theatre is located. One of the things I did ask in committee and I think Anna accepted is the reporting and providing updates to this council on their activities, including what aggressive actions they're doing to do more performances, try to recruit donors and what other activity they're doing to try to be sustainable here in downtown. But I'm confident that the work that has been done thus far by staff, I think this is the very best given the conditions and uniqueness of this location Yes, go ahead.

Go ahead Mr. Campbell.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:25:33

Thank you. I appreciate the comments. I appreciate the public speakers. Unfortunately you don't have as many as you had at the committee meeting and I look back and I think the one mistake that I did make when I made it for the record, I voted no on this in the committee. The one major mistake I voted, I stuck to my guns too hard with respect to at least a minimum rent and the staff report identifies it During discussion, I'm reading specifically from the committee outcome.

I made a motion during the discussion of the item Committee member parole made the first motion which did not receive a second factual to charge $300 a month during the first year $600 during the second year and $900 the third year. Although Teatro's president, Mr. Juan Gonzalez responded that capping the rent at $600 a month may work, the council committee did not pursue the concept further.

To share with my council members if you didn't hear all of my comments, you're doing yourself a disservice to find out about me. I served on this council when there were a lot of things that had come to light and I don't like losing money, and I don't like giving it away unless I want to give my own money away. Giving the public's money away is an entirely different thing. I'm accountable to over 200,000 people not just my district.

And I do having a public school education know there's a difference between subsidy charity gift and loan And I will use an example that has never gotten out of my craw. Craw means it's stuck in the back, and it won't go away. The downtown theater. The downtown theater is a multi-decade loan. And the downtown theater has never paid its payment. Each year, the city of Oxnard coughs up over $1 million to make that payment because the downtown theater doesn't make any money.

But it's a deal that the city got into, and they can't get out of it. To the credit of Mr. Martin Jones, he exposed it, and the judge made the comment, as I recall, you can't unring a bell. It's a sad day. When I got on this council, I found out several other things, sad day. But when this came, I did receive comment from members of the public, one in particular in the room, and their concerns were very valid Concerns also since when do you not have to pay the rent I? Have enough people that call and leave messages on my phone They want us to do away with all rent for apartments want us to do away with all mortgage payments. I'm like How is this going to work? Where's the common sense well?

You give away things in other parts of the city In having a good conversation with City staff it did pan out This building is in an area where it has brought improvement to that block, but it's not going to be on the hook for multi-year rent. This particular site sets a precedent for a lot of other properties that the city has with respect to if they see what's happening here, what will the other tenants at the City of Oxnard have asked for?

The past due rent I recall La Dolce Vita and the Heritage Square. And I recall the fiasco that was, and the embarrassment. I did everything I could to get that stopped, and I lost. Lesson learned. On this one, I tried the same thing. I dug in my heels too hard. Possibly the other committee members, Council Member Perez and Mayor McArthur would have supported if I would have backed off the $900.

Maybe the president would've gone 300 bucks for its month and first year, and 600 the second year, maybe. Never know, I didn't back off. That's on me, and I feel I screwed up. Plain English, screwed up. But the debt that is owed? Our city has waived debts in the past This agents this organization of which I have attended these things in the past And I don't speak Spanish so straight up. I'm going to tell you the ones that I attended was part English and part Spanish sometime in the past at a different locations Sat next to Carmen Ramirez um I Could see waving the past due rent, but I can't see letting it slide for $1 a year I This is like, wait a minute.

We have over 500 nonprofits in this city. We have less than 500 people in the room. But if you each have a nonprofit and you find out that I gave the person sitting in that empty chair a deal for $1 a year, wouldn't common sense tell you that you'd want to get the same thing? If I was in your shoes, I'd want the same thing. That's why I'm looking at least the $300 At least the $300.

They gotta pay something, and I do understand the fact that ICE, the fact COVID, the fact that things have happened, the fact that there's been tremendous amount of cash improvement in the building. It's the sharpest building on the block. But it's still a difference in my public school education. Subsidy charity gift loan. If we're going to wipe the books clean with past debt, okay. But going forward I don't want to walk into the same pit and I don't want to send the same message down the road because shortly after this we dealt with an issue with the PAC.

That's a bigger boogeyman in my mind. And the committee's taken an action, and I think it would be beneficial for the city. But on this one here, I need to stick to my guns. I hope somebody would suggest that we at least get something more than a dollar. I thought to myself, well, we could double the rent. Doubling $1 rent a year... I can't even get a cup of senior coffee at McDonalds for $2. There's got to be something.

The fact that there is, in the word of some people in business, a nut to crack. You have to make so much money to keep the place open, there might be an incentive to hustle up donors. There might be an incentive to make people pay a ticket even if it's a minimum 50 cents. I sat on the PAC board years ago, sat next to former Mayor Lopez's wife, very nice lady There was tremendous giving away of tickets, and I said how are we going to keep doing this?

We're losing a million dollars a year on the pack and the former general manager of the city Mr.. Nyhoff Ended up making agreement got the two City Councilman's off that board myself and Carmen Ramirez And then when Mr. Nyhof Abandoned the city and we bring another general manager in sitting right here and And he made us look at the books. There had to be decisions made.

It took a long time to get where we are right now. I don't want to leave this if I got hit by a truck when I walked out that door. I don't want to leave this seat that I'm sitting in empty for somebody to come in representing this district and face the music I faced when I found out how financially messed up the city had been allowed to get into. It's wrong.

That's my opinion. I don't know what the rest of the Council feels. I disagree that the dollar a year is a good deal. I can agree you waived the past rent, but if I don' learn from past mistakes... What does that make me? I get told I cuss too much already so I'm not going to say, but if this is an issue Where we just keep repeating, when do we stop? How much do we have to give away?

Who do we pick as a winner and a loser? I've given you a couple of examples where tremendous organizations got picked as winners and losers at the price of not just South Oxnard, East Oxnard, West Oxnard, North Oxnard. And for the most part looking at the faces in the room There's probably no more than five people that know what I'm talking about, about how many millions the city of Oxnard has lost.

We can't go back and unring the bell. It was totally legal. It wasn't smart. I don't want to be part of not smart again. If I'd have been on that council at that time and I was unaware of what was going on, I might have done the same thing but I wasn't. When I found out, I was ticked off And when I got on the council and this time went on, and La Dolce Vita came up, I fought like cats and dogs. And I went down in flames.

I think I fought like cats and dogs on this at the committee. I lost, and I can accept that because if you can't, you're a damn fool. But I think that we can do better than $1 a year in waiving the debt. That's my opinion.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction5:35:31

Mr. Mayor, I have a point of clarification. Go ahead. It's not just in the proposed contract it's $1 a year plus quarterly payments so they don't make money then it would be zero? Correct. Got it thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:35:44

Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem go ahead.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:35:46

Thank You mayor hearing the conversations here and looking at the staff report and the proposed agreement I'm wondering if there's an area for compromise here. Looking back at the committee meeting for this, it was stated by the board president that within the realm of possibility that $600 a month would be somewhat feasible. And I don't know if that's given their current business plan or their projections but that was stated and I'm wondering if there is a space to lean on that where If the agreement instead were to be $600 a month with $485, or excuse me, $435.83 of that for 36 months going towards the past due rent and the rest going towards rent then once the past due rent is paid off then that $600 will continue and that will be their rent moving forward.

I'm wondering if something along those lines would be I'm not here to be entertained by the Council or the board president or the executive director. I'm just really looking at what was stated by Councilwoman Rodriguez and Councillor Perrello as far as forgiving past due rent versus a dollar for the lease, seeing if there's something in the middle there where we can have them continue operations but also work towards paying off I don't think you can get blood out of a turnip.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:37:54

on a forward basis to figure out how to make this work. For me, I have a couple things. Number one, an absolute requirement for me is that they need to get current with the state of California on their public disclosure filings and tax returns because otherwise you're going to be suspended and revoked anyway. So you need to get...I mean the last one that I see is from 2023 was filed Attorney General's office, so 2024 hasn't been done yet. 2025 I assume has also not been done yet. So you gotta get current with that.

I'm open to something less than market because of the strange circumstances we have here. I don't know if I'd go down as low as $600 though. I mean maybe 1,200 or something like that given Given that they haven't paid us, and I think they should have known that we weren't giving them something for free. I can't cut them so much slack to say that hey, they can do it for a dollar a year or 300 a month or even 600 a month but you know 1200?

Yeah, I can do it for 1200 but they're going to have to hustle. You've got to sell tickets. You got to ask for money. The number one reason why people will give you money is because you asked them to give it to you And you're not asking them. It's not possible for you to have these sort of financial numbers if you're really asking people for money, so that's where I'm coming from. Get current with your filings.

I'd be open for $1,200 a month for three years. That's what I'd be okay with and we can forgive what hasn't been paid because the reality is they don't have the money anyway.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:39:46

Thank you. I would like to address the thing about the long-term We were told by realtors, nobody would rent unless it was five years. And if it's not five years, nobody would touch it. Now we didn't have any negotiation with somebody that was willing to go two years or three but we were told by realtors that were apparently respectable and telling us their truth for five years.

And the other part is, if nobody does rent it, we end up with blighted building which in the staff report, I forget $167,000 to knock it down. We're right there where we got somebody in the building if they can use it and keep it going for a period of time but my concern is not for just a dollar a year. So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:40:36

I think we're on the same page Council Member Perreault as far as this goes. I think that something can be worked out with them But would you be okay, Councilmember Perrella with the idea of right off the balance get current with your filings $1,200 a month for three years. It's a lot less than the $3,000 per month market rate if we were willing to do a five-year lease and $1,200 sounds reasonable given the

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:41:11

short term. It sounds reasonable but what I've come to learn about this non-profit, I can't squeeze blood out of a turner so they can't pay the thousand dollars and I don't have anybody else knocking on the door to take it over except the homeless that have set the garbage cans on fire and defaced the buildings next to it which are a real problem in that specific block

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction5:41:36

May I ask a few questions?

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:41:38

Go ahead, Councilwoman. Then we'll go to Alex. Go

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction5:41:41

ahead. So I did see part of the committee meeting on this and I also share a few of your concerns. So the first thing is I do believe that the outstanding debt should be forgiven A, staff The only time I've been to the theater was when Carmen Ramirez invited me, when I first got elected. So that has been my only time there. What I'm concerned about is it's the $1, but I do have a few questions if I may ask the executive director.

If that's okay? I just want to verify there is nobody that is making any money out of this. It's all volunteer work.

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PresenterAna Van HovenTeatro Las AmericasProposedself-stated5:42:56

Yeah, all volunteer. Juliana volunteers, I'll volunteer. If there's extra money we get a little stipend but if not then

CommentMaria NavarroProposedself-stated5:43:05

there's

PresenterAna Van HovenTeatro Las AmericasProposedself-stated5:43:06

not much so a lot of it is volunteer. We don't pay the actors. We are constantly paying bills because of things that we have to do or contractors that we have to get and I came in and I wrote a grant right away. We got a $20,000 grant that came in so we're really glad about that. We're ramping up our donations We're trying to find donors. So looking through past of past that throw donors through all their files and the computer files have been looking and gathering all of the people that have donated to them, and now we're looking to do a fundraising campaign.

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction5:43:40

So let me ask you this are your volunteers including yourself employed on a full time basis? Yes, but not here with the nonprofit. I'm trying to determine as a nonprofit where your income is coming from? Do you have the ability to Right now I have a baby at home, so that's what I do until 430 and then when I can head over to Dathro.

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PresenterAna Van HovenTeatro Las AmericasProposedself-stated5:44:24

So it's from 430 till whenever I get to write grants, I get to reply to emails and everything. And so Saul and Juliana they have full-time jobs and they do this basically after and yeah there's no one full time that's doing that you know for eight from nine to five. And you said

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction5:44:42

you came on as the executive director in November?

PresenterAna Van HovenTeatro Las AmericasProposedself-stated5:44:45

No, in July. In July. And then November we got an artistic director. Saul's been around so now we have me as executive director who can focus on grant writing and fundraising and anything that has to do with making sure that we have the money. And then we have Juliana who is going to do artistic directing making sure that we have events paid events so we can sell tickets and everything. And then Saul who does all of the marketing and everything so we can get our stuff out. And that came together in November and we're actually really excited

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction5:45:15

Yeah, so my concern is that we've got tons of nonprofits here in the city and they could all use space. Right? But the Teatro I know has had a long history here and I really want it to be successful but I also agree with some of my colleagues that we should be collecting rent because then we can't Hippocrates about this. We do it for one, we do it for all and Council Member Peralo is right. History says that this is not good.

You know, we've had concerns in the past and I don't think that we should continue down that road but I also knowing this would like to give that through a six-month reprieve to see where the executive director, within six months whether or not she sees a vision for the organization to be sustainable and be able to pay rent. Just because they have a history here it's a rich history and I want to really really continue that But also want to make sure that there is enough interest within the organization to make it successful.

PresenterAna Van HovenTeatro Las AmericasProposedself-stated5:46:38

Yes, actually if I may, I'm sorry to interrupt you but one of my first, the first meeting we had was I asked them to have more board members or by-law state that we can have up to 17 board members and I said to my board, we can have 17 board members because with their contributions and their dues, that's the rent.

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction5:46:54

Mm hmm.

PresenterAna Van HovenTeatro Las AmericasProposedself-stated5:46:54

I mean that's just, and then the rest is how the organization can survive And so then I've been trying to work with my board to get more board members and just open those channels of communication between a board and staff now, and to work harder. And so the commitment is there. I think it's just been bad timing with whatever was going on prior to now us coming in and trying to figure that out.

And yeah, and trying to make connections and networking and getting to know people and meeting with the county people and everything. It has, I see where you're coming from and I get it. There has to be an accountability. It's just yeah, I'm willing to take that responsibility but yeah, at the end of the day it really is up to you guys. I

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction5:47:37

mean, I think I would like to propose that we do forgive the rent, that we allow for a six month period for the executive director her board to really come together and come back with the understanding that within six months the rent is going to be due And if that's not due, that they make plans to vacate the building. Because I think it's really important that at least I send a message out that all our nonprofits are important. We want you to be successful and I wanna plan for that to continue. I've been here for seven years and I've seen what the past has done and we're going down that road again.

I want to see if my colleagues would be open to that. Forgiving the rent, allowing them six months of no rent to allow them to get their board together and see where they're at. They can either start paying rent or we can have staff come back to us and say it's not happening. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:48:43

Councillor Moone. Alex, we'll go to you then Councillor Peres.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:48:47

It's okay? Wrap this around its own context because there's a lot. A lot of things have been said tonight and I think everything I've heard makes absolute sense even though it doesn't all jive. I want to let you know, I did not like the outcome of this but I understand the broader context so it isn't just As narrow as we have this building, we have a lease. You owe us rent because there's a broader context of that building, the condition it was in, the renovations they've made, what the space is today.

We put that on the commercial market tomorrow and no one's going to want to rent, right? And there's a broader context not just to that building but to the overall downtown so keep that in mind The issue of having yet another vacant property that we have to take care of is actually much more expensive. The issue of the forgiving the back rent, while no one likes it, the truth of the matter is we unfortunately have to write off bad uncollectible debt every once in a while.

We have various bills that people run out of town and don't pay us for this, that and the other. It goes to collections and after a certain amount of time we just have to write it off. So this amount is really not going to...it's not the end of the world. Recall that they entered this property four months before COVID so there was no way they were gonna have an opportunity 18 months after that. No chance.

And now you look at this last year. People aren't going to work, they're not sending their kids to school, they're not coming to the theatre. So it's just a reality. Another thing is this is a community theatre in this town. There are community theatres in LA and New York City and San Francisco that struggle. In Oxnard, it's very, very difficult But I didn't like the outcome of this because on its face, it's wrong.

I think there should be rent paid. I think we should understand the broader context that whatever deal we strike up, it's actually a lot less expensive than us having our building vacant on that block. I guarantee you if we go the other route, we're going to spend a lot more money And I think it should be a glide path lease. So, for example, 300 in year one, 600 in year two, 900 in year three.

They should take care of all their administrative business. They don't need to report back to us. The lease should be written in a way with if the Council wants Help them survive, the lease should be written away. Given the history you missed one month of rent that's it. We don't need to... I don't need to see their refreshed 990s that's on them. I don't need them to come back here and tell us well here's our fundraising no we don't need to know any of that.

You can determine on a realistic three-year lease with a glide path so that they can step into it I think that's not unreasonable, but I certainly don't think a dollar a year is reasonable. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:52:39

Thanks, Alex. Just going to recognize the Councilwoman and we'll go this way. Go ahead, Councillor Peres.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:52:43

Thank you. And I think in light of the 990 portion, especially as nonprofits right? I mean a lot of times philanthropic and I know there's conversation about these relationships not yet being established in the interest in like developing relationships with donors and whatnot But a lot of times when applying to grant applications, they do require a copy of your financials. And they oftentimes make decisions based off of what financials people have. I mean having worked on many grants, have seen numerous rejections from organizations that just were so...

They haven't updated their financials for several years and that was a red flag. For many of the grant readers and, you know, reviewing committee. And so definitely do want to uplift and encourage I know it was mentioned in the committee meeting to have a monthly update on On activities and events, and I think they do a great job with their social media and kind of amplifying events. I think it's more so to be able to apply for grants and To look at other dollars there are it is going to be that requirement. And if we're talking about future rent and things of that nature.

Definitely, I think it is important for something like that to be brought on a report basis with how they are doing with grants. Similar to what we've done with other non-profits where they send us in the mail you know a copy of their expense or how many grants they've received The number of funding that they've received from those grants. And I think it just kind of helps give the level of transparency and puts it in the books as well for other non-profits who may be questioning and saying, hey, well why didn't I get this opportunity as well? And maybe that might help alleviate Some of those concerns is when those documents are updated, that we are notified as the city or as council with that update. We have our records updated. This is the number of grants we've been applying to.

This is where we've been successful. This is the number of grants that we've been declined for Because I think in other conversations, there is already that narrow pocket of funding. And a lot of nonprofits are just trying to make it right now with funding going away and only a certain number of organizations being eligible for these grants. So that's my piece of advice.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:55:15

Thank you Councilwoman. We'll go to you Aaron and then Councilwoman Rodriguez.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:55:21

I'm liking the city manager's proposal, which sounds very similar to what Burprello proposed at the committee meeting. I guess I don't have to see their financial statements all the time and I don't know if I want staff to have to invest all that time to do that so it's just we're talking about such small dollars here that I'm concerned that staff will be spending more on the review than the value of the rent that we're receiving. So I could live with, you know this escalating rent over three years which sounds like I said identical what Burt Perrella proposed so I'd be happy to make that motion whenever that you will entertain it.

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction5:56:07

What would that escalation look like?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:56:10

So starting

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction5:56:11

but I mean do we have are we going I'm saying right now, basically, I don't want zero rent for the first six months. Let's do

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:56:19

$300 a month for the first 12 months, $600 a month for the next 12 months, $900 a month for the following 12

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CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction5:56:41

Do we have any other non-profits at city buildings that pay $1 a year? So I know once upon a time when Future Leaders was in the old Oxnard High School, $1.00 a year was...I don't know where that standard came from.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:56:59

I don't know comprehensively. I know the more recent ones that we've done, like we have Catalyst Preschool, we have raised the rents up to a more market rate. The Camino del Sol building, that's what I was just wondering if Brenda knew for the ones that you manage, do you know of any that are only at $1? Not currently

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed5:57:17

$1 now, not

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:57:18

at Comino del Sol. But I don' have a database to pull from to tell you that.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction5:57:24

Okay, just because once upon a time that was not uncommon that a non-profit And one of our buildings would be paying $1 a year. I'm not trying to make money off of this struggling volunteer-based nonprofit organization, but like I said there does have to be some accountability and it's no disrespect to the great work they do. For me it's more about the vibrancy of that space in downtown Oxnard and the maintenance of the building.

It does change a lot for me knowing that this can't be long term because you know the situation happenstance maybe But of the future development, so for me I would be okay with a sliding or a scale. I don't know how realistic you know 369 would be or 200 400 600. I'm not trying to lowball anything but I just think some skin in the game is good and even then 30 day month that's 10 bucks a day And we probably have more than 10 people using that space. And also, I don't know if my colleagues have seen the building. It's not in the best of shape so it's a tiny little box which they make home and no disrespect to the non-profit trying to make it work.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:58:34

Thank you. Go ahead Councillor Holland. So Mayor, let me make a motion. The motion is that we forgive the existing debt and that stat... I'm sorry what?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction5:58:54

Mayor, just for the record we did take public comments and we did say that public comments. We didn't have any additional speakers in person or virtually. We do have a person who raised their hand virtually after we closed them. Let

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role5:59:10

me make the motion

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:59:19

Basically it's what the city manager is proposing, which is we'll forgive the debt and we'll have a three-year lease agreement where the first year it's $300 per month. Second year, $600 per month. Third year, $900 per month. That would be my motion.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:59:41

I would just caution. I have no facts that I was being told on truths, but it sounded as if the president and he couldn't they couldn't they couldn't swing 900 bucks

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:59:52

maybe not today, but if they've got two years to figure out how to get their act together. That's why I

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role5:59:58

think sliding it up makes sense. And you could be 100% right, and thinking on this now somebody told me after the meeting why didn't you ask what other nonprofits do? Because people that sit on boards of nonprofits, it's not uncommon for each board member to be obligated to bring in X amount of money or buy the seat. with so much cash, it's like an annual membership. You want to be on a board? And I don't know if they could do that or not but I just wanted to share that about the $900.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:00:32

But my motion, do you want to second my motion? So I made a motion. Yeah forgive the debt 300 per month for the first year 600 second year 900 of the third year is that something you'd be willing to second

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:00:48

Before we have a second, I was curious Council Member Starr if...I know you mentioned you didn't want to have a record of filing financials and whatnot. But perhaps maybe adding to your motion if we could at least get an update when the filings have been completed and submitted and accepted?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:01:08

I'd be fine with that. Let's just call that a friendly amendment because we haven't had a second yet. So let's also include the requirement Keep us informed as to their filings. So hopefully they'll get up-to-date real fast.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed6:01:21

I'm sorry to interrupt, so I did want to share that I can't speak for their staff or Teatro staff but there are 20...I asked the same question because the 990s get posted online. There are 2023 filing, they got an extension to November 15th 2024 I was provided a copy, it's been filed and then they also asked for an extension on their 2024 990s to November 17th 2025. So as we were writing staff reports they did provide me that copy so at least I didn't want to put for the record that they provided those two 90s.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:01:55

But did they file for them? Did they file the 2024 return? by November of 2025. Did that happen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed6:02:03

November 17th, 2025

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:02:06

and they gave me a copy. So that has been filed?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed6:02:08

Correct. That is what Teton has provided us but the 2025 to your point we're pending for them to give

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:02:14

us an extension. In 2025 they've got time. Yeah it's to put in an extension. But your position is that they're current today?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed6:02:21

They handed us a 2024-990 correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:02:23

I'm sorry what?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed6:02:25

They did provide us a copy of 2024-990. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:02:28

so Council Member Perez do you still want That added to the motion, or are you satisfied with what was just said?

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:02:38

I think it's fine. But it would be great maybe not to have like a formalized maybe update if you want to just reach out to me directly and just kind of share more and yeah, share that update.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:02:50

So do you want to second my motion then? Or because we're otherwise we're just kind of sitting here.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:02:58

OK. Before we go to discussion, I'd like to take that caller that's been waiting. Madam Clerk, if we can put that caller through?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:03:06

Virtual caller, if you can press star six to unmute and you'll have three minutes starting now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed6:03:15

Hello everyone this is Manuel Herrera, Citizens for a Better Oxnard. Look, this definitely is a tough one. And I appreciate you guys trying to do everything you can. But in hearing everything here's my two cents for whatever it's worth. So based on the information that I'm hearing To me, and hopefully I have my figures right here. But it seems like El Teatro has spent already $35,000 in repairs to the building there. So to me that should easily cover their past due amount.

So to me that should be a no brainer. You can just call it even is how I'm looking at that. There's been comments made about, hey if you guys help them out while there's 500 nonprofits. You can't help them all and I agree however every situation is different so you can't use a cookie cutter formula for everybody. You gotta be specific to each nonprofit and you gotta take their situation at hand and deal with it You know, individually and not group it all as no. We got to do the same for each and every one of them. You can't. It doesn't work that way and it shouldn't work that way.

As far as the staggered rent is at 300 A month for the first year or 300 for the first year, you know, 300 for one year and then 600 for the next year? Or is it per month? I was a little confused about that. And as far as what I believe their rent should be is them just taking care of the building They're just keeping it up to date. I mean, because how much would it cost the city every month to do the maintenance on that? Well kind of like how you guys were talking about this earlier in your other agenda item where landlords will raise or lower the rent as long as the tenant takes care of the building so You know, you can do that here. You can say hey look, you guys take care of the building and even give specifications. You need to do this and this and this every month to take care of the building in lieu of rent.

And like Councilwoman Rodriguez was saying it's not unheard of or it wasn't unheard of for a dollar a year. I mean we're supposed to be helping our non-profits I mean really, come on let's do what we can. Help them with grants. Help them any way we can and in this situation you know yeah let's charge him a dollar a year or even if it's 300 a year.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:06:20

Thank you Mr. Herrera. We're out of time but appreciate your calling in thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:06:28

Correct the statement that the speaker made page 145 second paragraph As part of the initial lease, section 4.4.1 authorizes up to $35,000 in rent credit to cover costs incurred by Teatro for permanent improvements to the building. In addition to being responsible for permanent tenant improvements on the building, Teatro covers the cost of ongoing maintenance and operational stability. The term of the lease expired November 20, 2022 and converted to a month-to-month.

It isn't a wash if we wash $35,000 in rent for what they were given. They've already used that and manual is just a little incorrect on that one.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:07:16

Thank

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:07:18

you. Mr Mayor, I know there's a motion on the table and a second and I just wanted to offer this and I'm not pushing to lower what we're proposing but if in the earlier workshop more than $600 a month for a year was not realistic because looking at their financials those years they made five thousand wait I'm sorry fourteen thousand dollars twenty twenty-five I believe I mean just just some of their budget is not huge. I would like to encourage us to grow right But maybe as an alternative it could be like $200 a month for the first year 400 and 600 because again, I'm not trying to make money off of an empty building like they're bringing vibrant vibrancy into that space and I want to appreciate that but Not opposed to what's being proposed Here

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:08:08

you making an amendment to

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CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:08:15

Yeah, I'd like to propose the amendment because I just want to be realistic of what we're working with. Because originally the proposal was five years and we're giving potentially three.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:08:25

Well let's take a vote on your initial motion. Hold

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:08:30

on, she wants to make an amendment so is your amendment, just so I'm clear, is instead of 300, 600, 900 you want 200, 400, 600? Is that your proposal? Correct. Basically vote on the amendment first and if it prevails And you vote on the amended motion. If it doesn't pass, then my original motion would be up.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:08:49

Well that was my motion or my amendment to that.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:08:52

Yeah I'll second that amendment.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:08:54

Okay. Yes with the monthly updates and just a letter to all of us council members would be helpful just these are the updates

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:09:04

We're going to vote on this

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:09:05

amendment in just a moment.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:09:29

I've been taking all this in. I also was introduced to Teatro through Carmen Ramirez and meeting with Margaret Cortese in person when she was still there, and it was just coming out of COVID. And I knew of them but to see the very grassroots work that they've done, I think they're important considerations to have for what we're posing here. And in my head hearing all of this Looking at this as, this is a landlord-tenant relationship.

And they're not an operator for us similar to what Sterling or the OPAC does. They are a tenant in a building that we own and we are the landlord. They've done a number of things for tenant improvements and those have been documented and credited. The request here on the main motion was to forgive the past due rent I'm fine with that. I'm trying to be mindful here, though, of what is realistic and fair for this group given that it's all volunteer, given Level of success is demonstrated through what's been submitted to us.

And I don't want to, as has been stated by two council members try and squeeze blood from a turnip here. You're providing some very important opportunities for young people and residents in the city that's not readily available through any other means And we had the Boys and Girls Club here earlier as somebody coming from there representing that organization. She shared what that organization had done for her in organizations like this, I can't look at an ROI for you all on how much profit you're going to make and what it's going to bring back to us and you're going to meet our rent obligations and everything because you could also be providing for any person, any young person or adult even through your programming, the things like we saw earlier this evening at the Pledge of Allegiance.

And those are invaluable and so I just try to keep those things in mind and I want to throw out there as well the need for reviewing financial documents and all that again this is a tenant landlord relationship. I feel that from my personal opinion, I don't think I need to micromanage the tenant to show me all of your income and your receipts or expenditures. If you can make rent, you can make rent.

The added layer is that you're doing a good social... A social good for our community in offering something that could be the one opportunity that some person in Oxnard needs That they find and it changes their life. So I'm weighing those as well, and that's why I supported the amendment by Councilwoman Rodriguez because if at the previous meeting the board president said $600 did seem attainable then I think that would be something we can look at there that just seems more fair and attainable for you all.

And last question for the city attorney's office In this decision we're making here tonight, would any of the council members up here be prohibited from joining that board if they chose to volunteer and do so? If they want to see all the financials and give that direction and help to steer this organization in a positive direction. Or is that prohibited because there's a decision we're making here tonight in this financial agreement we're entering?

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PresenterChris PaytonProposed · by introduction6:13:21

So to be clear, nobody's on the board right now. Correct? Okay we'll look at that and we'll get back to you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:13:29

I just want to throw out there too my colleagues said they said they were looking for board members and if you are allowed to join after saying determining what their lease agreement is going to be and you want to see all our financials you want to be in the weeds with that and help them get to their vision that may be an opportunity so i'm just throwing that out there

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:13:51

So, debate on the amendment. I'm going to speak against the amendment to use the lower numbers. I believe that with effort that this is not a real high burden to come up with $300 per month for the first year and then 600 second and 900 third. I've served on boards and I remember what we had was a give or get, we called it a give or get program. Basically you were on the hook for coming up with five grand and if you didn't raise it by selling tickets or getting donations, you were writing a check for the difference.

And that really gets you motivated because you're going heck, I'm gonna have to raise the money because otherwise I'm the one that has to fork it over. So I think that, you know, and as far as like the Boys and Girls Club. They do a great job they they're out there they are fundraising we've the organ is the gene Oz Foundation, I think it's like 100 grand a year to them just because they do such great work.

Put your mind to it. I think you guys can do it, but I think I'm doing you a disservice if I make it too low. If I make it so low, you're not going to get out of bed and do the hard work. That's just the reality of life. So I'd like to stick to the original Motion, so I'm going to urge that you vote down the amendment and vote the main motion.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:15:25

Just add one more thing. I want to vote against the amendment. I'm comfortable with what's been negotiated thus far. I think they have the quarterly rent up to $2,970 in excess of gross revenue of $10,560. I think that's something that look they provide a vital service and I mean Giving an alternative, they could very likely say look we'll just vacate. And we certainly know it will cost us a lot more money. It's not like I think we have nonprofits just battling to get in there. It is a very unique space And there's a lot of positivity that comes out of what they do for us as a community theater. So I would stick to the recommendation by staff because I think this is something they've already negotiated, it's something that is doable for them, I think to present with these alternatives It's not something they may be able to support, given their financials.

And I think we have a built-in system in here that assures some money coming in which is an excess of what is being recommended should they be profitable it sounds like with this new CEO she's aggressive she understands the challenges that they are facing and she's going to be aggressive at it. So I'll get behind that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:16:38

Go ahead. So Mayor, can we call the question on the amendment?

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:16:43

Sure. I'm sorry. I was confused by your remarks, Mayor. You mentioned that you were supporting staff's recommendation because the motion at hand that was seconded was not staff's recommendation. It was a three-year possibility of 369. I just want to make sure I know what I'm voting on.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:16:59

Right? I think right now what's on the table is your

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:17:02

amendment. Yes, okay so you voted or you're inclined or you're debating against the amendment because it's too low and you think it's doable right? Correct. Okay um I'd like to debate in favor of the amendment only because I see in like their profit and loss documents that you know they're recycling and making $21.27 you know like this this is a this is a grassroots organization and I don't think it's fair to compare to like The Boise Girls Club, it's a national organization and it has all these chapters and you know 100 plus years of legacy which again is just a debate but something to consider.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:17:36

And they have Denzel Washington.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:17:38

Oh!

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:17:39

Among others yeah. Go ahead Council Member Perrella then we'll go to you Mayor.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:17:44

I just want to share with everybody I intend to vote for both the amendment in the original and the reason is it's hell of a lot better than what the original thing was.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:17:53

Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:17:55

Thank you and just my last statement on this debate for the amendment here. Councilor, I believe you sit on the foundation for the Gene Haas Foundation right? On the board?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:18:08

I'm on the Board of Advisors so let's not call me a board member.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:18:13

Okay well I only bring that up because you've made a really important statement that has to resonate with all nonprofits hopefully with the folks in the room You have to ask. So Gene Haas Foundation has been incredibly generous with the Boys and Girls Club, as was mentioned, and other community-based organizations in the region. And so folks all you gotta do is ask. So hang out till after the meeting I guess.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:18:42

We do require that Form 990s be up to date though.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:18:48

Okay are we ready for the vote on your amendment? Madam Clerk, call for the vote. I'm sorry, can you

CommentMiss BellettiProposed · by introduction6:18:57

say

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:18:58

your amendment? So it's 200, 400 and 600. So the amendment is to take the original motion which was for 300, 600 and 900 per month plus the paperwork, right? And the amendment right now is to change that to 200, 400 and 600 so right now you're just voting on the amendments to 246 instead of 300, 609.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:19:22

Okay. Madam Clerk, I'll call for the vote.

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Councilwoman Beres? Yes. Councilwoman Rodriguez? Aye. Councilmember Starr? No. Mayor Pro Tem Teran? Yes. Councilman Basuah? Yes Council Member Peralta? Yes Mayor McArthur? No
GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:19:47

This motion carries five to two. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:19:50

So mayor right now what we have is we have the motion as amended? so you can either Have further debate or if people are just ready You can come to a vote on this item vote yes, or no if we vote no where it's square one So I guess if there's no objection I would call the question and I just

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:20:14

want to confirm that it would be for a three-year extension of the lease, not a five year. Correct?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:20:21

Correct. They're all three

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:20:22

years. Yeah as of right now.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:20:25

I think she's trying to clarify is there are two one year extension options within there and the motion just makes it at a three year with no extensions. That's what you're...

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:20:34

Correct. As of right now if further extensions would we consider that'd be discussed in three years.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:20:41

So, Senator Turner what are we voting on now?

PresenterChris PaytonProposed · by introduction6:20:45

You're voting on the vote. The motion as amended as just amended moments ago.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:20:51

Okay. Madam Clerk we're going to call for the vote.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion as amended as just amended moments ago. Okay. Madam Clerk we're going to call for the vote. Excuse me,
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Excuse me, Council Member Parallo? Yes. Council Woman Bettis? Yes. Council Woman Rodriguez? Aye. Councilman Starr? Yes Mayor Pro Tem Teran? Yes Councilwoman Basuah? Yes Mayor McArthur? Yes
GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:21:12

And this motion carries seven to zero thank you Thank you

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:21:16

Okay thank you Miss Lopez

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:21:21

Madam Clerk, just to be sure we did forgive the loan right? Or we did forget the debt okay.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:21:26

The motion was to forgive the debt yeah.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:21:30

Thank you everyone for being here from Death or Loss of Medicus and for bearing with us through this discussion.

The next item on the agenda is Item N3. This is from the Public Works Department The subject introduction of cross-connection control and backflow prevention ordinance. The recommendations that the City Council introduce in way first reading The proposed ordinance entitled in ordinance of the City Council of the city of Oxnard amending articles 4 of chapters 22 of the city code in its entirety pertaining to the regulation of cross connection and backflow standards.

The Public Works and Transportation Committee approved this item 3-0 back on January 27, 2026 with an amendment ordinance And our Public Works Director Michael Wolf is here to answer any questions we may have. And do we have, we do have one public comment? We'll start with Ronald Aruejo please.

CommentRonald AruejoProposedself-stated6:22:43

Thank you. Good evening Mayor McArthur, Mayor Pro Tem Turan and members of the City Council. My name is Ronald Aruejo and I'm speaking as an Oxnard Municipal Utilities rate payer. First, I want to thank the members of the Public Works and Transportation Committee of which this item was considered first. I did not expect a substantive discussion after my comments and I thank them for considering nearly all portions of my original request for potentially amending the municipal ordinance and or a change in city communication policies.

For the remainder of the Council, I'll summarize the comments that I had made previously. For many years our household has received a cross-connection and backflow compliance notice in November. Often the notice arrives more than a week after the letter date. Once received it typically takes at least a week just to reach a qualified testing company and scheduling can take up to two additional weeks especially due to the Thanksgiving holidays.

Despite following up promptly, we have still been assessed a late fee at least once in the past five years. If we happen to be on vacation when a notice arrives, the process becomes a stressful rush to schedule testing and ensure results are sent to the city before the 30 day deadline. The reason for this public comment actually started about 11 years ago. My mother was just a few months into taking care of my father, may he rest in peace who had recently gotten sick. In the middle of stressing about medical issues we had gotten the notice for backflow testing and it was such a pain to contact schedule tests and have the company report that testing within what was only 15 business days after getting the notice.

It was one of many stressors that I felt that I could not provide a solution living halfway across the country at that time. And I promised myself if there was ever an opportunity to say something about this so that it'd be slightly less stressful for my family and others, I would do so, and so I am. The staff mentioned that the notices were not a problem for the public, but then we had talked to others about theirs and some had a similar situation about feeling too rushed to complete all the steps in the time remaining of the 30 day testing period.

I am not suggesting to remove testing as I also want water to be safe. I wouldn't necessarily mind having even more testing if that was what the city deemed would make it safer, but just give some of us a couple more days breathing room to get everything in order to comply with the regulations. I'm respectfully asking the city council and the staff to consider and incorporate the likely USPS delays in the BACFO testing notice specifically, and just in general all time sensitive communications by sending communications to residents just a couple of business days earlier than what they have currently planned in their SLPs. Thank you for your time.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:25:29

Thank you Ron. Council Member Stewart do you have any questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:25:36

I guess my first question is, do we have any idea how many people are fined for late compliance? I know that very few requests were made for fines to be waived. I remember seeing that during the committee meeting but I don't remember any mention of how many people have actually been fined and assessed.

CommentSouth BankProposed · by introduction6:25:56

Good evening Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem, Council Members Michael Wolff, Director of Public Works. I'll have Chris Payton who's behind me Talk about some of the numbers he's able to provide. Some of that information with the draw out of a system that is not very user friendly, so we'll see what Chris was able to provide.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:26:22

I was fined last year.

CommentSouth BankProposed · by introduction6:26:26

So while Chris looks for that, let me talk a little bit about what was discussed at the committee in this process. We certainly can change our internal standard operating procedure to send those notifications out a little further in advance because that's not actually written in the ordinance, that part. How far in advance we actually send the notice, the original notice, the annual notice is not dictated in the ordinance. We have been using roughly a 30-day process for identifying when the notice goes out and mailing the notice and Mr. Ray was correct, that could get shrunken down depending on how long it takes The post office to do so we certainly can extend that back such that it's even two weeks more than what we typically do. So, That's internal to our processes and not necessarily a not written in the ordinance and so I want to make sure that's clear that that's not dictated in here what's dictating here is potentially what happens if there was a failed process or failed testing and that's what's dictated in the ordinance.

These are annual reports, so there's nothing stopping them from scheduling that right now for November. Meaning this is not a surprise for people. They have this notification every year. They don't have to wait for the notification to do the setting up of the testing. They don't have to wait for us to notify them. So I would say that this shouldn't be a surprise to people who's lived in their home for multiple years because it comes out every year.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:28:00

What he's saying now is you have no excuse.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:28:02

So I would like to add, it does come every year. I do schedule it. It does get done. It's just the particular company I use because the city sends a very long list of potential inspectors or whatever they are. They did it on time. They just failed to send it to the city on time so it's okay. Now I have a credit for next year with the company

CommentMoorpark CollegeProposed · by introduction6:28:33

Good evening, Council. Chris Payton, Water Division Manager. I'll put this down like we're not in an MBA conference. So as far as late notices... So I just, in preparation for this, I pulled our last 12-month period. Within that 12 months we had sent out 11,062 test notices. Out of those, we did get 7215 late notices that had to be sent. Those aren't necessarily for different accounts. Some accounts were a first late notice, a second late notice but it is often We also have, on our average late per month is about 385 devices that are late per month.

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:29:28

Thank you Chris. Mayor Pro Tem? I'm sorry go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:29:33

Okay so I can see that's an issue of timing here but it sounds like you're willing to change that procedure so that maybe they've got 45 days instead 30 Is that what I'm hearing?

CommentSouth BankProposed · by introduction6:29:49

It's a process internal to the water division, so we certainly can make that change. And again, it's not that is not set in the ordinance, so if we decide that 30 days is not enough for us to start that annual notification process and we can back that up with a couple weeks.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:30:05

Yeah, I think 45 days would be fine. So if you're committed to doing that, I don't have any objection to the ordinance.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:30:16

Yes, go ahead.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:30:18

Thank you. And I appreciate that because the Speaker, Mr. Aruejo did come to committee and raise those concerns. And if that's an internal process we could do it sounds like it would probably be appreciated by all of the residents who and commercial customers who need to get this notification and have to make arrangements for the inspection et cetera. And liken it to my business tax certificate that I get annually from from billing and licensing.

And I feel like I get plenty of notice on that, even though I know in my head that it's coming up. It still is important to get that physical reminder in the mail. Like put it up on a bulletin board and that's just what works for me. And there was another speaker who had mentioned his own business tax certificate similar to what Mr. Aruego said saying well you need to send it out earlier. I didn't have enough time and I thought well I feel like that's plenty of time Just kind of two different mindsets there. So in this case, if we do give it an extra cushion of time for customers I'm sure it would help and the last point I want to make is the change in postmarking within the Postal Service as well where that's kind of more on our end It might help us to put it out a little bit earlier too because then we have the postmark and it'll probably come out, you know, a day or two later whatever that ends up being when it's processed by the USPS versus what they had previously.

So anyways that's just my comments on that I appreciate the willingness to have that internal discussion on giving a little bit more notice on that.

CommentSouth BankProposed · by introduction6:31:55

And that'll just be for the annual notice, not the dictated notices that are in the ordinance. Yes. Meaning the first violation and things like that?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:32:03

Correct. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:32:04

Ron, just to clarify was 45 days acceptable? Was that...

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CommentRonald AruejoProposedself-stated6:32:14

Mayor McArthur, yes that's more than I was suggesting. Since I'm here my point I'm going to state is that we know it comes every year the problem is is that the backflow testing company doesn't want to schedule it until we get the testing notice and so that's the only reason why there's that stress maybe it's changed in the last 10 years but ten years ago we tried to do it in advance after we got that stressor But they wouldn't allow us to, and so we're on pins and needles waiting for that notice to then schedule that. And then yes, they did send a notice or the testing late in the last couple years. I don't know when we had that late fee. We didn't get the credit. Unfortunately, we just ate it 10 years ago. I didn't know who to go to.

Obviously, I'm a little bit more knowledgeable about city government. Thank you very much for that extended comments, appreciate it.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:33:10

I appreciate it Ron, thank you. Thanks for asking the question. Yep absolutely.

CommentMoorpark CollegeProposed · by introduction6:33:16

So just to kind of reiterate on that so currently we are doing about 30 days notice a little bit more sometimes but like Mr. Wolf was saying that is an internal discussion that we can absolutely have And to the speaker's point, the testers cannot do the testing until they receive the notice because within the notice is also the testing report. So he is correct on that.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:33:44

Okay. So I think, I mean, I'm certainly supportive of the way it's presented here. I think if it's just an internal control we can just 45 days, I think is what was recommended by Council Member Starr. The Speaker Ron is supportive of that. I think that benefits all of us as a community so we can just do that. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:34:05

I just want to move staff's recommendation, hopefully come to a vote soon.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:34:09

I'll second.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:34:12

Madam Clerk are there any speakers on this item?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:34:15

Mayor and council members we do not have any speakers in person or virtually for this item thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:34:20

Thank you there are no comments or call for the vote

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:34:23

Councilwoman Perez? Yes. Councilwoman Rodriguez? Aye. Councilman Starr?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role6:34:29

Yes.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:34:29

Mayor Pro Tem Teran?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role6:34:30

Yes,

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:34:31

Councilwoman Basuah? Councilmember Peralta? Mayor McArthur? Yes and this motion carries seven to zero thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:34:38

Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:34:40

Mr. Mayor I just want to clarify the $16 credit on my account isn't with the city it's with the company that failed to send in the paperwork. It's a $16 credit on my account with them not the city I paid the city.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:34:55

Thank you. The next item on the agenda is Item N4 from HR, Subject Resolution Approving the Ratified Tentative Agreement with International Association of Firefighters Local 1684. The recommendation is that the City Council adopt a resolution approving the tentative agreement with the International Association of Firefighters Local 1684. This item did not originate in committee Our HR Director, Steve Navoo is here to answer any questions we may have of him.

Madam Clerk are there any speakers on this item?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:35:33

Mayor and Council Members, we do not have any public speakers in person or virtually for this item. Thank you.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:35:39

Thank you. We'll open up for questions or comments.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:35:43

Go ahead Councillor Humfryes. Just I want to say thank you for leading with the budget methodology approach because that to me is the That's the highlight right there. This is what really is the extra money coming out of our checking account because we make this decision, so we're looking at a cumulative impact of about $7.8 million over three years and then I guess ongoing $3.5 million per year thereafter.

So thank you very much for putting that in there that way.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:36:16

Thank you Council Member Starr. Any other questions or comments? If not, what's the pleasure of council on this item?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:36:21

I move the recommended action.

CommentSuperior CourtProposed · by introduction6:36:22

I'll second.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:36:24

So, I would like to make a statement about that if you're ready for debate on this. First of all, I want to say you did a good job. Given the hand you're being dealt with, I think what you came up with was very good. I'm going to vote no not because of anything you did but I'm gonna be voting no because I don't think we can afford this We know we're trying to wean ourselves off Measure O. The money isn't there, and I feel like that increasing our monthly nut, if you will, is going to put a lot of financial pressure on us down the road. So given that, I'll be voting no. I'm not saying that the employees don't deserve it. But I'm just simply saying I don't think we can afford it

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:37:17

Thank you, Councilmember Starr. Any other questions or comments before I call for the vote?

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:37:21

Okay. Councilwoman Rodriguez? Aye. Councilman Starr?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed6:37:25

No.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:37:26

Mayor Pro Tem Teran?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed6:37:28

Yes.

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:37:29

Councilwoman Basuah? Yes. Council Member Perala? Yes Councilwoman Perez? Yes Mayor McArthur? Madam Clerk was there one speaker that we missed? No there were no virtual speakers. Okay

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:37:40

got it yes

GuestPro TemProposed · by introduction6:37:42

thank you and this motion carries six to one thank you Does anyone have any future agenda

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:37:49

item?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:37:50

No, but Mayor I think we need to go back into closed session at this time right.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:37:54

That's right that's right we were talking too happy there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:37:57

Yeah sorry

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:37:57

yes

PresenterChris PaytonProposed · by introduction6:37:59

all right so yeah reconvening in the closed session okay to take up item c3 thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed6:38:06

you

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ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:50:38

Hi everyone, we just emerged from closed session. I'm going to ask our City Attorney Mr. Fisher to make any announcements.

PresenterChris PaytonProposed · by introduction6:50:46

Thank you Mayor on item C3 of the closed session agenda the city council by a unanimous vote has directed the city attorney to join an amicus curiae brief to be filed in Newsom v. Trump regarding the district court's grant of plaintiff's motion for preliminary injunction in joining defendants from deploying California National Guard members in Los Angeles and directing them to return control to Governor Newsom.

ElectedLuis A. Mc ArthurMayorProposed · by role6:51:16

Thank you, Mr. Fisher. Are there any other agenda items? Future agenda items now? Seeing that there is no business on the agenda and without objection, we are adjourned. Thank you everyone.