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Hi, good evening everyone. Just want to call the meeting to order for the Oxnard City Council and for the Oxnard Housing Authority for Tuesday May 19th 2026. Madam Clerk may we have the roll call and posting of the agenda please?
Roll call — called by Gabriela Vignon
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I have two announcements. Pursuant to Government Code Section 54952.3, each member of the Housing Board of Commissioners present will receive $50 paid for convening this meeting with the exception of Commissioner Starr, who has declined to receive compensation. And then the second announcement is that we are removing agenda item N1 from the agenda. This is the 2025 single audit report and fiscal year 24-25 annual comprehensive financial report and summary presentation. So this item is being removed from the agenda so anybody who was present to speak on this item, this item has been
removed.
Thank you.
Thank you Madam Clerk. Mr. Sonstegaard, Council Member Starr asked if there is any clarifying statement regarding the item we pulled from the agenda?
Sure Mr. Mayor I appreciate that again Eric Sonstegaard Assistant City Manager So, as you know this item was presented at the Finance and Governance Committee last week on May 14th. At the committee meeting Linda Hurley of Macias, Genie & O'Connell made an extended presentation on the 2025 Single Audit Report and Fiscal Year 2024-2025 Annual Comprehensive Financial Report After hearing that presentation and asking specific questions of the auditor, the committee voted three to zero to receive and recommend that staff proceed to City Council tonight with this item.
Today approximately eight hours before this city council meeting our elected City Treasurer Philip Molina met with Ms. Hurley at the conclusion of their meeting Molina alleged that the auditors had missed something as part of the audit process but would not provide any further information. Based on the treasurer's comments, our auditors have a professional obligation to pause the audit process to determine what if anything Melina was referring to. Staff will provide the city council with updates regarding this matter in the near future as the process moves forward. Thank you Mr. Mayor.
Go ahead. I don't know if I understood. Mr. Molina would not share information that he had? It's a question I'm, that's correct. Thank you very much.
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The next item on the agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance and I have the honor of calling Oxnard's Veterans Committee to lead us on the Pledge of Allegiance and we will take a moment of silence following the Pledge of Allegiance just for an observance of everything that's happening around our country and around the world. Thank you.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
Thank you everyone. We will move to the ceremonial part of our agenda. And this evening we have three ceremonial items. We will start first with the presentation of a proclamation commemorating May 25th, 2026 as Memorial Day and for that I'd like to call up the Oxnard Veterans Committee who will accept the proclamation
Okay, the proclamation of before us says whereas on Memorial Day our nation pauses to remember the brave men and women in uniform and their sacrifice to protect the interest of our country and defend our freedoms. And whereas each year on the last Monday in May is an opportunity to honor the men and women of the armed forces who bravely defend our freedoms while remembering all those who died for a great nation And whereas by honoring these proud servicemen and women lost throughout our country's history, we renew our commitment to upholding the democratic ideals they fought and died to preserve. And whereas on May 25th, 2026 the City of Oxnard will recognize these sacrifices with a ceremony at Plaza Park. And whereas our country remains the land of the free because of the sacrifices made by our servicemen and women of all ranks from all branches of the military Now, therefore our Mayor Luis MacArthur does hereby call upon all citizens to honor and observe Monday May 25th as Memorial Day.
We ask that on the day be observed in honor of those who have served to preserve our principles of justice freedom and democracy." So here he sets his signature and the great seal of the City of Oxnard to be affixed on the 19th day of May 2026
Well, thank you and good evening. I'd like to... If there's any veterans out there could you please stand up? Anybody who has served? Everybody is up on a stage? Okay. Thank you. I'd like to thank you for your service and thank all veterans. But also, I'd like to take this time to say thank you to the city of Oxnard as a whole. It's been awesome to be on this committee.
Everybody involved in this loves veterans and is doing everything they can to support May 25th and veterans in general. So with that we have deep appreciation and we really appreciate it and we say thank you.
And I'll just make a brief comment. You know, it's without words how much in debt we are to the veterans that have served so many that most of us or many people will never know their names and yet they gave their life, many of them others came out with injuries And how do we repay the veterans that have done so much for us to live the way we do. So, we will always recognize them here in our local government and forever because we are indebted to our veterans for what they gave to us. They did it selflessly and we are just in tremendous gratitude. Thank you.
Thank you Mayor, thank you members of the City Council. This commemoration on Monday the 25th is for the fallen veterans okay this is not about us who are here but we speak for them because they can speak for themselves okay but they sacrificed everything So please come, join the families who are there. We have people up in the memorial who were killed in action.
The families are probably going to be there. Please come and wait them okay? That's the least we can do for them. Thank you.
Rick, do you want
to introduce
the
group? He's just going
to
introduce. Those are up here.
I'm Rick Gutierrez. I'm post 48 with Mike, who's our district commander. I am the vice commander. I've been here for like 12 years. I have adopted this city and I want to thank the gentlemen and ladies behind me for supporting us. And Mayor and City Manager, thank you. We appreciate it.
I am new to the bunch. Ron Robinson. I have been a post commander of AMVETS, American Veterans, for the last five years I do work on legislation up in Sacramento, and I do work on the base. So all together civil service and military 36 years.
Well some of you know who I am a pain in the butt but my name is Manuel Gonzalez. I'm the senior vice commander for the disabled American veterans. I belong to the Vietnam Veterans of Ventura County and I thank city manager mayor council members and the public for having us celebrate for all these veterans on our memorials who were raised in Da Colonia, South Oxnard, Fort Huainimi, El Rio.
So they're dear to my heart because some of them were eight years younger than I was that were sent to Vietnam and for some of you that missed the last Memorial Day Classmate that graduated from Oxnard High School in 1959, we were both Marines. And he was a commanding officer in charge of the evacuation of the embassy in Saigon in 1975 where by helicopter they loaded 40,000 South Vietnamese citizens that deserved to come to the United States and one of them happened to be the city manager as a baby, as a child and that is very dear to my heart So thank you so much for having us here.
Oh, the resolution will be in
a motion? Okay. Do you want to use that voting or just make a call?
We will move to the next item on the agenda. This is the presentation of a resolution commending Mary Sue Eastlake. The recommendation is that the City Council adopt a resolution commending Mary Sue Eastlake for over 20 years of exemplary service to the city of Oxnard. Mary Sue Eastlake? I'm sorry. You're coming, there you go. And for this we'll need a, it's a resolution so we'll need a motion and a second.
Wonderful thank you Mayor Pro Tem, thank you Council Member.
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Madam Clerk call for the
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion and a second. Wonderful thank you Mayor Pro Tem, thank you Council Member. Madam Clerk call for the vote. · 1 under review
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and this motion carries seven to zero thank you
Okay, so we have here a resolution for you. Resolution of the City Council of the city of Oxnard commending Mary Sue Eastlake for over 20 years of exemplary service to the city of Oxnard You ready?
I'm ready.
All right, so whereas Mary Sue Eastlake has devoted over 20 years of exemplary service as an employee of the City of Oxnard and whereas Mary Sue Eastlake began her distinguished career with the City of Oxnard Recreation Division of the Cultural and Community Services Department in 2003 as a recreation coordinator And whereas Mary Sue devoted her career to enhancing the quality of life for seniors in the community through dedicated service and advocacy.
And whereas Mary Sue served as the RSVP director, bringing extensive experience as a writer and program manager to the leadership of volunteer initiatives and senior services And whereas Mary Sue played a pivotal role in securing grant funding for the innovative programs, including the RSVP Bone Builders Program in 2007 and Tai Chi Moving for Better Balance in 2016.
And whereas Mary Sue utilized her talents in writing and photography to effectively promote recreation and cultural arts programs and oversee and enrich social media outreach. Wow. All right. Aren't
I talented?
Yes! Whereas Mary Sue was promoted to Recreation Supervisor where she assumed comprehensive responsibility for senior services programming including Senior Centers, the Retired Seniors Volunteer Program and Seniors in Motion. And whereas Mary Sue has exemplified an unwavering commitment to public service and will be deeply missed by her colleagues participants and volunteers for her dedication and enduring impact Now therefore the City Council of the city of Oxnard does hereby resolve to commend, recognize and extend its gratitude to Mary Sue Eastlake for over 20 years of exemplary service to the city of Oxnard extends best wishes for a well-deserved and fulfilling retirement with family and friends. Congratulations to you.
I'm being a good former employee.
Mayor, mayor pro tem, council members Mary Sue Eastlake's time with the City of Oxnard has been marked by dedication, professionalism and a deep commitment to serving the community. Throughout her tenure she has demonstrated exceptional leadership and a genuine passion for enhancing the quality of life for Oxnard residents. Her thoughtful approach, collaborative spirit and steadfast support of community programs have left a lasting positive impact on both staff and the public.
Mary Sue has been a trusted and respected leader whose work has helped strengthen the city's cultural and community services. Her ability to champion meaningful initiatives has contributed greatly to the success of numerous programs and projects. She leaves behind a legacy of service, integrity and care that will continue to benefit the city of Oxnard and seniors in particular for years to come.
We are grateful for Mary Sue's many contributions and wish her all the best in her next chapter. Her dedication and leadership will be remembered with great appreciation.
Give a girl microphone. The one thing that is always missed when they talk about me is how quirky I am, and I have weird ideas that somehow just work in the kind of like bone builders who thought you could do something with lifting three arm exercises and three leg exercises? And today there's 20 classes of seniors exercising And then Tai Chi, we got a grant for...
Hold on I'll get there. I'm not gonna get there. For a class that we could do with Tai Chi and that's grown to 20 classes as well so I think when I look back on my life and I'm moving to Texas so everybody here is this is my last council meeting this is my last hurrah you know When I look back on my career or my life, I had two great kids. I helped build the skate park in Santa Paula which has my first name on the memorial there and I started Bone Builders, I started Tai Chi. I had Seniors In Motion which is in the park so if you're a senior you don't have to go into a senior center to exercise. So many of us think we're too young to be a senior including me but we all qualify So, and I have to thank my team. I mean the team in the office that knew that I was kind of weird and accepted it and covered the office for me so that I could go out and meet with people and kinda follow my dreams of what I could do for seniors.
To the bosses who kinda did the same thing. They were on me a little bit about my time They were worried I wasn't going to get here tonight on time. And I left more than enough time to get here, and I still just came in screeching. Got to put that in my... One minute early. I got to put that in my will. You know? Just bring me in five minutes after the funeral
starts.
And you know, the supervisors said, and I can't see everybody back there, but you know, I have a supervisor's team. I was a supervisor. We worked together and created great things together. So, I mean thank you. Thank you for...I didn't expect this but thank you for doing it. I appreciate it and I appreciate...I should also say I should appreciate the support of the City Council over the years. I am up here with the City Council but we have had a great amount of support from the City Council over the years. You've supported RSVP 48 years Matt do you remember?
Yeah. I think we've been here for 48 years with RSVP, and that takes city support too. But the amount of effort or the amount of time that the volunteers give to the community is so much greater than the effort or the money that's put into it from the city and the federal government. So anyway, one last thing, seniors are the growing population. They need support. That's Mary Sue on her soapbox.
Thank you.
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I see that many from rec came out. Do you guys want to come up? Yeah, come on
up.
We certainly thank you Mary Sue for your time and I know it's hard to separate from our city and you certainly wouldn't have committed 20 years of your life.
Why don't we get your team to squeeze in here? I'll move out of the
way. Come on in, come on in! And it's not your soapbox, it's your five minutes. You earned it, 30 years. Am
I supposed to be holding this? Yes! Want to come closer? That's good.
It's the glare off the glasses that
matter.
Thank you, thank you. Four grandkids. They're all in
Texas?
I have two here but four there and the four there started each floor. Oh my goodness! You're going to have fun. Yes. And I'm already on a non-profit board. I'll keep
you busy so I'll keep you very busy.
This is the last presentation for the evening. It's a presentation of accommodation to Casa de Vida on the occasion of its 21st All right, this is a commendation for the Casa de Vida 21st anniversary.
Whereas for 21 years, Casa de Vida has operated a residential drug and alcohol recovery program in Oxnard providing individuals with support and resources need to overcome addiction. And whereas Casa de Vida was founded in 2005 by Jose and Julie Moreno with the vision of creating a safe structured and faith-based environment where individuals facing addiction could rebuild their lives strengthen their faith and restore family relationships And whereas over the past two decades, Casa de Vida has made a meaningful impact on the lives of hundreds of individuals by fostering long-term recovery, personal responsibility, life skills development, employment readiness and self-sufficiency through compassionate care and strong community partnerships.
And whereas Casa de Vida has remained steadfast in its mission of hope, healing and transformation empowering individuals to overcome addiction Become productive and contributing members of society, strengthening families, collaborate with local organizations and positively enrich the Ventura County community. And now therefore the City Council of the city of Oxnard congratulates Casa de Vida on its 21st anniversary of dedicated service to the Oxnard community and extends its sincere appreciation and best wishes for continued success in all future endeavors. In witness thereof Louis MacArthur, Mayor of the City of Oxnard on behalf of the entire city council has set his hand and caused the great seal of the City of Oxnard to be fixed this 19th day of May 2026.
Congratulations.
Thank you and welcome everybody. It's always been a great pleasure to be of service to the City of Oxnard, and really Ventura County and sometimes beyond. I really wanted to thank all of our supporters. We have a few here and Ventura Missionary Church. We have, we team up with Oxnard Pride. We have Mr. Booth and Judy out there. I actually have a graduate here. I think she's, I'm not even sure if she's about 10 years sober and is a counselor now here in the city of Oxnard. And we're just doing great things for people who need help There is always hope for those who want help, and we are just one of the services that is available for the City of Oxnard. Once again thank you to all of our supporters.
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Thank
you.
There's another one over there and over there.
You guys are welcome to come up if you want to come up. You're welcome. Here we go, don't be shy. You can come around, do you want to come on side? All right one two three thank you
In front of me is an Oxnard elementary school teacher. She's retired, and the other one is a school teacher also. One of them is a retired schoolteacher, Jenna. Raise your hand, Jenna? And Marisol is active, still teaching second grade. We were all colleagues for second grade. Thank you everybody. Oh, this is Johnny. I'm sorry. This is Johnny Ordaz and he was a program director and he's been with us for over 18 years.
And again, just congratulations to Julie Moreno and the celebration of the 21st anniversary. It's because of organizations like yourselves and people like you I mean things don't happen by accident it takes leaders like yourself to have a vision and to implement it, and only you know the amount of sacrifices you made to put something like this in all that benefited because of your desire to help.
And so thank you. Yes? Go ahead. If I
could just have a quick moment. Thank you Mayor. And I want to echo what the mayor has said. Thank you for the service you provide for the many participants who go through your program And it's not lost on me that May is also Mental Health Month. And I'm sure in the work that you do, you see absolutely the crossover between folks who have mental health challenges or live with their mental health challenges as well as a crossover with substance use disorders and how those things often go hand-in-hand.
And you can't treat one without treating the other And making sure that the whole person is addressed through that. And I just appreciate the work you do because it is not easy work and you never give up on people and everybody deserves a chance to have someone who puts that hand out for them, we'll give them a hand up so that way they can That may be the chance that they need to turn it all around. And programs like yours is exactly why you exist and why you do the work that you do, so thank you very much for it. It's very important work, so appreciate your services.
Yes, go ahead Council Member.
Yes I'd like to thank all of the people who came up but I cannot let a Memorial Day go by without clarification. A lot of people want to thank the veterans for their service. Memorial Day for the veterans that were as lives were taken, they weren't given, they were taken in very big significant difference. I also want to thank the young lady that retired but Casa De Vida has done a terrific job and we have one individual in the room Mr. Marvin Booz who was a partner to Michael Mercurio with Neighborhood Pride Casa de Vida did a tremendous amount of work with Neighborhood Pride, Marvin Booz in cleaning up various areas of the city of Oxnard. The one that comes to mind is the tremendous job all of us did.
Mayor Pro Tem was involved in that also on the Patterson Avenue cleanup. I want to thank you all and Mr. Booz, Neighborhood Pride, thank you.
And thank you for saying that. I just see Mr. Booz out there and I know I stated it already with Julie Moreno and others I tell you, it's really...I mean, I can't drive this home enough. It's people like yourselves that really enhance the quality of life for all of us. Not too long ago, I was with Julie and she was out there washing dishes to help the homeless population here in our city. You know, somebody like that who doesn't look for any credit in the back but doing it because she feels a need to help and that's what defines, I think, our communities People like that who then really invite others and motivate others to participate and to join in. And so I'm just a heartfelt thank you to you, Julie, and Johnny, and everyone else, the teachers for doing this great work.
And to you Mr. Boos, sometimes these things just... You don't get enough thanks or enough recognition. You just do it because you sincerely want to do better for our community but I just want to acknowledge that we see it though it's not talked about, we see it and we acknowledge it. So a sincere thank you. And with that, we will go to
the next item on the agenda. This is for public comments for items not on the agenda. A person may address a legislative body at this time only on matters not appearing on the agenda. and within the subject matter jurisdiction of the legislative body. Speaker requests shall be submitted as set forth on the first page of this agenda. Speakers are limited to three minutes after 30 minutes if all speakers have not had the opportunity to speak.
The remaining speakers will be given an opportunity to speak prior to the adjournment of the meeting The legislative body cannot enter into a detailed discussion or take action on items presented during public comments at this time, such as may be referred to the city manager for administrative action or scheduled on a subsequent agenda for discussion. Persons wishing to speak on public hearing items should do so at this time of the hearing.
Anyone wishing to speak on items not on the agenda and for non-action items Can come forward and fill out a speaker card or if you're joining us virtually, please press star 9 to raise your hand. And we'll start with Mr. Larry Stein if he's here? Okay. And followed by Senior Pastor Greg Runyon. Oh yeah, senior pastor.
Yeah.
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Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Good evening. Members of City Council, staff, audience and general public. I was going to speak another item but because Item N was pulled, I'm going to try address some issues on Measure M that was pulled. One of the concerns I have is the fact we have unfunded liabilities. These unfunded liabilities include things like the sports park Money was received, but not built.
Fire station nine funds were received and not built. We have the seawalls that's been promised by the city to repair the seawalls. We have the pool at College Park $5 million received money was spent on development plans but the funds were spent and there's no plans, there are contingency plans to build a swimming pool for 65 million dollars. These are all liabilities, all contingent liabilities, unfunded liabilities, but liabilities nonetheless.
We're on the balance sheet of these unfunded liabilities. I could not find them. Now that could be because they don't see very well and that is a strong possibility. Another possibility is in fact they may not be on the balance sheet so I can't see what isn't there Now along those lines, there were plans of building things and contingency plans for building things and priorities set by the city manager.
The city manager sent out a survey to ask how we want to prioritize things. And he discussed that survey April 30th. I submitted a public record request to see those surveys, and the city manager's office has refused to provide those surveys despite numerous requests. The response back from the city manager's office is that they're still working on the surveys but you put down a report on the surveys April 30th which we got to include Latino community.
Oops, the appeals comprised over 65% of the population in the city. We decided not to include them in a survey. So how come we have prioritized surveys when it excludes 65% of the population? Again I ask you to consider the fact that we don't have contingency liabilities on our balance sheets and I think they should be included. Thank you much for your time.
Thank you Mr. Stein. Senior Pastor Rungin
Good evening, Mayor and Council. He's having fun with me because we had our National Day of Prayer event and he and Councilman Starr and Councilman Rodriguez were there and I want to thank you for that but we went to the police memorial And we have a Spanish church that meets with us. And so the pastor got a chance to meet Mayor MacArthur and kept telling him that I was their senior pastor, and his eyes lit up.
You're just trying to get me back because I joked with you about how you handled Pacifica. I wanted to say though that the National Day of Prayer was a success because of the people that were there, the reason that we were there. But also what made the memorial a success is that is that we are all different people. We don't look alike. We don't talk alike. We don't think alike but we can try to have the same values The same character and the police memorial event. I used to go all the time. I hadn't gone in a few years, and I went this year and there were two things I wanted to share one of them was the police chief got up and I thought gave a very moving and eloquent Explanation of what the bagpipes meant in combination with the song Amazing Grace.
There is a huge story behind Amazing Grace, but what he talked about was when you hear that song played in those bagpipes it helps with the redemption from despair of the soul. And if you think about the world today Many of us exclude the things we don't like, and it feeds the despair of our souls. We look around at all the things we don't like, whether it's a war, whether it's a president, whether it's governor, whether it's whatever, and our soul starts to fill up with this despair and this pain of we need to fight that Instead of finding out what redemption means, what reconciliation means and fighting for that.
That's why the day of prayer was important because we united around something that lifted us up but didn't tear us down. So my hope is that those of you that attended and those of you that didn't will unite around the things that build us up especially as we go forward in the days to come. Thank you.
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Madam Clerk,
please play
my video. Thank you.
On April 28th, local contractor Victor Scatoni stood before the Public Works and Transportation Committee and told them that he'd contacted the City of Oxnard 19 times about money it owes him on a job he had already completed. Nineteen times! No meeting, no resolution, no response. There seems to be a clear pattern of abuse in this city that much of the City Council wants to ignore. Just after midnight on Easter Sunday, I emailed the City for information on a special use permit for my historic home. By 6am, Council Member Bur Perrello had forwarded my application to City Manager Alex Nguyen and City Attorney Stephen Fischer and his henchman Kenneth Rozelle who have pending Bar Association complaints against them. Burt Porello also forwarded it to my Wilson neighbor, Angela Whitecomb.
He forwarded it to Planning Commissioner Steve Nash who technically would be one of the people to decide its fate. He forwarded it to Deirdre Frank his attorney girlfriend and cc'd select neighbors of mine that he thought might want to stir up trouble I already reported this to you all and all I got A few hours later, my neighbor former mayor Tim Flynn left me a voicemail saying in part.
Hi Eric good morning and happy Easter actually good afternoon it's Tim Flynn and I actually just read your application to the city of Oxnard and i want to compliment you Eric for the way you put that together was really professionally done if you did that all by yourself you should be uh in a position to be a planner with the city of Oxnard but it's highly one of the best
In each of Burt's forewords, he simply wrote, F-Y-I. Well, FYI, Burt, I'm on to your little gossip train and retaliation tactics. How's that for facts and evidence? A separate public records request revealed that Joe Pearson's correspondence with me was secretly being blind copied to Kenneth Rozell, Jason Zaragoza, and Ashley Golden. Pearson purposely misled me as to who was copied. He made it a point to show that he blind-copied the City Council, but then purposely hid who else was copied. I was starting to feel paranoid so I did a public record request and got the evidence. My every move in the city seems to be being secretly monitored by Kenneth Rozell just like he apparently did to elected treasurer Phil Molina and then tried to railroad him.
It's clear the plans are already underway to thwart my SUP application before I even file it, and I'd lose over $11,000 in filing fees. And in case you think I'm being dramatic, here's Assistant City Manager Eric Sonstagard last month.
If you're going to get the minimally acceptable level of service, you're not going to get a platinum level of service.
This council applauds staff regularly for the great job they're doing. Great job at what exactly? I'm asking all of you, especially you Bert Pirello and Gabriela Basuah. Is this the kind of staff efforts that you want to applaud where contractors aren't paid and residents are monitored like this city has its own KGB? This is clearly the mandate of the City Manager and the Attorney's Offices. They already lost in court over the railroading of Phil Molina. Will they never learn? When this city goes down because of their corruption and paranoia, where will you all be to be held accountable?
On April 28th
Thank you, Madam Clerk. We'll go to the next virtual speaker.
Virtual speaker if you can press star 6 to unmute and you have three minutes starting now.
Good evening Mayor McArthur City Council city staff my name is Sarah Wilczewski I'm a volunteer with 805 UndocuPund and a resident of Oxnard. I'm here to update you guys on the latest kidnapping numbers from ICE In the 805 area code, ICE has abducted 1984 people. In Ventura County 944 people in Oxnard 176. These are the numbers from January of 2025 to 10 a.m on May 18th Uh, this week has been. I says continued to Oxnard very hard including we believe for abductions just yesterday or no day before yesterday? Sorry and um.
And they also rated the home of. Homes of several volunteers for VC Defensa and former volunteers. And the one of the VC defenses workplaces. So it's been kind of a tough two weeks, but we continue and I will continue to provide updates because everyone deserves their story to be told. Thank you.
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Thank you sir for calling in. Madam Clerk we'll go to the next virtual caller.
Virtual speaker, please press star 610 mute and you have three minutes starting now.
Hello madam clerk before you start the clock there's a video that I want to play however Because I'm calling virtually, there may be a delay in the video and what I have to say. So just wanted to set the stage here so hopefully I don't lose any time. If you could please play the video and then I will speak.
This email indicates it goes to somebody named Alicia.
She's a lady that I asked to be my deputy treasurer and she's accepted that position.
Given that my wife's name has come up several times about this, I want it to be very very clear she has not accepted the position that has been offered to her
She's a lady that I asked to be my deputy treasurer and she's accepted that position.
In other words, it's why what has been presented to us? Okay,
Mr. Perlman. I'm simply saying that she has never applied for the position. She's never accepted the position. She
is a lady that I asked to be my deputy treasurer and she's accepted that position.
Okay, any other questions?
So yes, actually we do have more questions. But first of all my name is Manuel Herrera I am creator of Citizens for a Better Oxnard however I am here exercising my First Amendment right as a public citizen so here's the bottom line the citizens of Oxnard want and deserve a city official they can trust but in this video either Aaron Starr or Phil Molina is lying but which one?
If both of them flat out contradict each other, then which one do we believe? And what makes it even worse is that they both have a public history of misrepresenting the facts. If Aaron Starr is lying about Alicia accepting the position, then he lied to the people of Oxnard and it's on the record. If Molina is lying, then why does Starr continue to support and defend someone who directly lies to the residents of Oxnard?
Oxnard deserves better than Aaron Starr and Phil Molina. Mr Mayor, that concludes my comments.
Thank you Mr Mayor for calling in and for your comments. Madam Clerk does that conclude the virtual speakers?
Mayor and Council Members yes that concludes our speakers in person and virtually for items not on the agenda thank you.
I
have a question, Mayor. Can we possibly get a quick response to the comments that were made in the video presentation about not paying a bill?
You're talking about the very beginning? About the contractor? Yes. So this is not a place where I can get into the details of that but let me just be very Make a very simple statement. Does anyone remember what Kevin Costner said to Susan Sarandon in Bull Durham? Let me paraphrase, I'm not interested in anyone who takes that guy seriously. Thank you.
All right, okay.
Good, Mr. Goldberg? My question goes a little further. If we can't get a quick thing I'd like to get an address and then put this on an agenda one of the committees or better yet all six of us in the City Council to find out. I don't want to work for a city who doesn't pay his bills but I don't want to have somebody claiming a falsehood.
We'll ask for the item to be brought back to council on a future agenda thank you Mr. Sonsicart for making note of that. We will go next to
the next item on the agenda. This is Item H, this is the report of the city manager. Alex?
Okay three quick things tonight so the first we talked about last meeting already it is the Public Works Annual Open House presentation I thought it was called a rodeo I guess they dropped that name So this is occurring tomorrow at Plaza Park, starting at 1 p.m., and it will go until 7 p. m. This is free. All these three events...four events I want to mention are free and open to the public.
So these are great family events. Come and learn about all the interesting things that your folks at Public Works does to serve this community. And I still say that the kids are much more fascinated by some of these vehicles than they are by fire trucks. OK, so that again opened to all families free tomorrow 1 p.m. to 7 p. m., here downtown at Plaza Park. Next one I don't have a slide for but it was mentioned earlier tonight. That's Monday is the annual Memorial Day commemoration. That is also open to the public and free and that is also downtown at Plaza Park and begins sharply at 11 a.m.. Again, that's Monday on Memorial Day.
Next, June is Pride Month. So as we've been doing for many years now, we will have the flag-raising ceremony and that will be at 8.30am on Monday, June 1st right here in front of the City Council Chambers. Again also free and open and inviting the public The Progress Pride Flag Raising Ceremony, Monday June 1st 8.30 a.m., right in front of these City Council Chambers 305 West 3rd Street.
And finally our annual Insect Festival is going to occur on Saturday June 6th also at Plaza Park also free and open to the public this is a tremendous family event So bring everyone. It begins at 10 a.m., and will run until 4 p.m. Plaza Park, right in the middle of downtown. Come and learn and experience all kinds of insects. And this year, the special guests are bees, all things bees. So there will be a special focus on bees.
I'm glad they're still around. Okay, so that's it. Thank you.
Thank you, Alex.
The next item on the agenda is Item A. This is a report from our city council members. We'll start to my left with Councilwoman Perez.
Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to first start off my report by thanking those who put the food distribution and health fair together at the South Winds Park last Saturday. Simultaneously, I had the opportunity to attend the United Farmworker Foundation's workshop, their team, team provided free services for DACA renewals, citizenship pathways and other related consultation services.
On Sunday I also recognized that the city put together the mural project it got started at the South Oxnard Library So wanted to thank all the staff that made that possible. I know that was something that Council Member Basuah and I strongly advocated for, so it's really looking forward to seeing that mural come to life and wanted again to thank all the folks that made that event possible.
I also had the opportunity to join the Redwood Neighbourhood Council meeting and grateful for all the folks that put that together on Wednesday, May 6th. And on Thursday, May 7th the following day I had the opportunity to attend our Southwinds Neighborhood Council meetings. Highly encourage our community members who want to become active in the community to get involved with how local government works.
You know ways to just get involved with your neighborhood those are perfect places to go and really just wanted to pause to take a moment to thank All the neighborhood council chairs in District 6. I'm pretty lucky to work directly with them on issues that are related to the eight neighborhoods within the district and also wanted to thank our city staff for continuing to Thank you, Councilwoman.
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If I could ask the city clerk to come up please. I have a document for each of the council members and I've got copies from the public to put at the table. I'm sharing this, I had no idea Mr. Herrera was going to make a comment tonight but it's about time the public finds out facts and fiction. The last week I had the opportunity to go to the City of Fresno to be involved in a Education for trainings for the State of California Department of Water and Resources Floodplain Management Association. Two representatives, both engineers with the City of Oxnard were attendants. They did a terrific job representing the city. One of them is here in the audience. Thank you again for the job that you did.
The presentation was having to do with the City of Oxnard and the involvement with the county on SCR 3, the levy And the levy issue has to do with what was involved, over 20 years' worth of work to get it to this point and the things that are going on and how things are done. And there's more to say about that but there's a limited amount of time that I have.
If those that have some interest you can look at this document and this document isn't a claim. This document is sent from the Bank of America when they were contacted by our city treasurer asking to have Miss Alicia Purcell identified as the Assistant City Treasurer. Ms. Alicia Purcell happens to be the wife of City Councilman Aaron Starr. This was done on February 3rd, 2025. SPACs speak for themselves.
It's significant to understand when people talk about trust, when I have someone that will attempt to put somebody in a position that can move the money around, make decisions with your money, it is not approved, not legal. It stands to question the integrity of the individual. Those are my comments, Mayor.
Thank you, Council Member.
And I hope the council members take a look at this.
Thank you, Council Member. Mayor Pro Tem,
is there a signature by the way on this? Because I don't see any. I just see a document. Where's the signature that would be where it would show that somebody actually accepted that position?
There is none. Probably ask the treasurer on that one. All right, thank you Mayor for the floor. Just real quickly since our last meeting I've... Yesterday was at the Orchard Park Neighborhood Council meeting and they had a very robust discussion on parking permit programs and I was able to get an update from our public works staff that I shared with them as well as the South Bank neighborhood in the Sierra Linda neighborhood about the Vineyard Corridor and Vineyard and H3 intersection.
And I did that not realizing that folks are gonna be here to speak on that tonight, so I'm happy to see that folks are here. And so glad that you all hosted that meeting last week where that was an agendized item, so appreciate that. And I this Friday will be taking part in as one of the volunteer chaperones for the grad night for our eighth grade students who are promoting from eighth grade to ninth grade and a long standing tradition in the city of Oxnard that they go to a theme park and they'll be going to Universal Studios.
I'll be attending with them as well as my wife, and we'll be chaperoning a bus of up to 50 eighth graders. And so I'm looking forward to it. It's a lot of fun. And I'm not saying that sarcastically. It really is a lot of fun. And so I just, I appreciate all of the work that our recreation staff puts into that every single year. And it's not lost on me how many young people this may be those who are from the city of Oxnard to see you the first time they've gone to a theme park or have the opportunity to go to Universal Studios and it's a nice celebratory event for them. So I'm happy to be part of it and privileged to be able to do that And last thing is for the city clerk and for Diego and our other techs in the back. I just want to say thank you to all of them, anyone who tunes in to each episode of the City Council meeting each week.
The last two weeks you may have noticed I joined remotely because that was traveling for my full time day job. And so I just wanted to say thank you to both of them for the help and the extra steps it takes to allow a council member to join remotely. Thank you for all your work, Madam Clerk. And thank you to our folks in the back. So those are my comments. Thank you, Mayor.
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Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. We'll go to my right, Councilwoman Basuah.
Thank you, Mayor I would like to wish everybody a happy Memorials Day. Hope everybody gets to come out to Plaza Park and also I'd like to take this moment just wish my daughter 21st Happy birthday, which makes me feel old because she's my baby. So she's 21. So if she's watching, maybe she is, maybe she's not. I just want to let her know I'm extremely proud of her and the woman she's become.
And I just love her with all my heart and I hope she has a great day. That's it.
Council Member Starr, go ahead.
Thank you. I attended the National Day of Prayer. I found it very uplifting. I think it's important that we believe in something that's more important than ourselves. I think that it brought people together and I think that it really helps with the character development of a society when we recognize them On May 13th, I attended the Oxnard Police Department annual memorial and it was a solemn occasion.
I think the one thing that kind of moved me the most was hearing the bagpipes from the granddaughter of one of the police officers that was killed. She'd never met her grandfather but she was there to play the bagpipes In honoring him and the others so I was actually quite moved by that. I did attend the Ventura Council Governments meeting They didn't have a quorum, so we couldn't get any official business done, but there were some presentations one by Toby Mitchell and David Goldstein of the County's integrated waste management division going over a five-year report how they're trying to deal with Assembly Bill 939 and Senate Bill 1383, which all has to do with how we recycle or how we handle biodegradable diversion I guess for lack of a better word.
The state has a goal of 75% landfill conversion and that's difficult to achieve so the county's got a lot to figure out But that's, but they're working on it. I attended the Eastside Little League Closing Ceremonies and it's just really great to see the kids involved in little league. And I'm especially a big fan of girls being involved with organized sports. I think it's very important to competitive world. I think that we got to think about our daughters not just our sons.
Our daughters need to be able to give as good as they can take in this world, and I think that sports actually helps them a lot with that. I want to thank Morgan Kessler and Michael Wolfe for the Capital Improvement Program briefing that was given to me. earlier this week. Very thorough, helped me with my thought process and I appreciate having the information very much so.
And then I want to thank Eric Sonstegard, Ashley Golden and Javier Chagoyan-Lazaro for their budget preview meeting. Finally, upcoming we have on May 20th the East Village Neighborhood Council meeting and on May 21st the Rio Lindo Neighborhood Council meeting both run by very competent chairs. And I apologize that I won't be at either one of them this week because I'll be traveling this week but I do encourage folks to attend and get involved. Thank you.
Thank You council member.
Yes, thank you so much. I also had the privilege of attending the National Day of Prayer So I think all the communities that came together to make that happen and be in solidarity with one another. I was fortunate enough to officially receive a check from Congresswoman Julia Brownlee for a million ninety thousand dollars And I know some of my other fellow council members were also there but we're really excited about that project because it's going to allow us to Be able to replace cast-iron pipes for safe drinking water. So yes, our water in Oxnard is safe for us to drink from tap and I drink it all the time. I enjoy it but it really you know sometimes we don't see all the work that happens underground and You know just a safety the wellness of our community is very important so Just you know rest assured I think Congresswoman Julia Roundley and other folks who made that happen so folks on the city staff our Public Works Department Just the effort and making sure that the resources trickle down to our community so district 4 is grateful, and that is definitely Supporting I know 588 acres underground in the Kamala and Hobson areas And I know that we do the best.
We can with what we have so That happened and What else? I attended the Airport Commission meeting and I know we approved the budget for fiscal year 27 I attended Gold Coast Transit District and You know, we're doing the best with the resources and clean buses in terms of legislation from the state of California. And federal changes maybe not adding up. So I think that Gold Coast is doing a pretty good job navigating those waters and at least planning for the next few years for reliable transportation. I know a few meetings ago I talked about the changes in our routes trying to be more efficient so that will launch in mid-July.
I want to take off this privilege or take a moment to take off my hat as a councilwoman and just speak as a tia Because today is also my nephew's birthday, so they're all celebrating right now. And hopefully he's watching but happy birthday Roberto and I just I'm really excited for you know a strong young man who is baseball pitcher and really good at it, so Anyway putting my councilwoman hat back on I think that's it for now. Yeah, there's just a lot of events. It seems like it's only been two weeks but a lot happens in between so I apologize if I missed any other commitments that I did attend.
Go ahead Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead.
Thank you Mayor. I just want to say Councilwoman, it's not a party until somebody turns on the local legislative body proceedings so that sounds like they're having a great time I'm sure.
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I know we've got a thick agenda. We just briefly say, you know, always make myself available to meet with constituents both in my office and out in the field. I visited several schools And actually thank, I don't see her here but just a thank you to our housing director Brenda Lopez. A student came up with a project on housing and rent and so Brenda's helping me provide the information to this particular student in the team to be able to do their work.
Also attended the Reboso Festival. I know Councilwoman, you were there. My family and I had the distinct pleasure of welcoming guests to the 22nd annual Reboso Festival at the Reboso is a traditional hand-woven Mexican shawl that is deeply rooted in the country's History, culture and identity. It's become a symbol of Mexican pride in the form of wearable art. The Reboso Festival was established by Irma Lopez, the mayor's wife back 22 years ago to raise funds for non-profit organizations in Ventura County that focus on cultural, social and educational needs of our region Thank you. Yeah, one of the recipients of the funds at the festival was the Friends of Fuel Workers that were recognized and received financial support.
Also grateful to Senior Pastor Greg Runyon as well as Adam Lopez from Revive Church, Pastor Ferny Estrada, Pastor Nelson Feliciano for bringing our community together at Lions Park to observe National Day of Prayer I had the honor of joining the police department and fire department, including our police chief who was there as well as members of his staff. The day of prayer fosters a sense of collective unity, shared vulnerability and amplified spiritual connection for me knowing that others are united in prayer provides a comforting support system reminding us all that we do not face personal societal struggles By ourselves and the day of prayer transfers individual reflection into collective action.
You know, and with that it really inspires other people to commit To serve and uplift our community in a clear testament to that is while there I shared that I had connected with the family who was facing eviction because they didn't have the money for rent And very quickly senior pastor Runyon as well as The other pastors got together and between all of us, we pulled the money necessary to be able to support this family paying her rent.
And that is a testament of unity in helping out the most vulnerable in our community so I'm thankful to them. I also had an opportunity to attend the Palomaso Music Series Events, Palamas was held here in downtown Oxnard, a vibrant celebration of live music, art, culture. And the event is organized by Rolando and Eddie at Piri Pau. And I invite others to come and join. The next one is on the 29th with the actual festival happening on June 13th.
And also had the opportunity to attend a couple council meetings or neighborhood council meetings Including Rose Park and connecting with others. And just lastly, just working hard to bring together the July 3rd event which I invite all of you to join us. It's a celebration of America's 250. And it's going to be very unique as to what it means to be an American here in our city. So it'll be from three to about 10 o'clock at night. It will feature nice kid play area. The rec department's choo-choo train This is a collaboration with the downtowners who are working together with me to bring this event free of charge to our community to celebrate.
World Cup watch party, so I'm working hard on that. So as soon as we're able to solidify that agreement, I'll make the formal invitation for all of our community to join again another free event to bring people together because I'm really committed to making our city vibrant and collaborating with others to support it just make it alive and bring people to our downtown Because much like we talk about here, gatherings whether it be a neighborhood council meeting. Whether it be just any event that brings people together gives us an opportunity to really strengthen relationships and collaborate and get things done and make our city vibrant and just live our life so I'm very committed to doing that. So thank you for hearing me out.
Mayor? Yes sir. Yes I'd like to also thank Councilwoman Rodriguez for attending as an alternate for the airport authority. I got there late but I want to thank you I want to thank Councilmember Starr for going to the VCOG meeting. I understand there was not a quorum, but I want to thank you for filling for me and also want to recognize I did attend with Councilman Starr and the Mayor of the Police Memorial Service.
Ladies and gentlemen if you ever get a chance to do that it's tremendous but at that particular occasion and it's not the first time the young lady one of the two people playing the bagpipes is the granddaughter of one of the slain officers Also, her father is a police officer stood watch near his portrait. Tremendously touching.
Thank you Council Member. We'll go to
the next item on the agenda this is Item J. This is the review of the Info Consent Agenda. Thank you so much. Does a member of council have any items they wish
I wish to pull number 10.
OK, number 10. Anyone else?
3 and 5.
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Just want to start 35 for you. OK
3 and five. And will we need a separate vote on L2 because it's the housing authority this evening?
Mayor and Council Member Starr, yes. There will be a separate motion for item L2 and L9 for the Housing Authority.
OK. I think L9 is actually receiving file. I guess at this point in time, I'd like to have a motion. I'd like to move that we approve L2
I'll second that motion. Madam Clerk, are there any public speakers for item L2 before we take the vote on
that? Mayor and council members, no, there are no requests to speak on those two items in person or... Well, I'm sorry mayor, we do have somebody virtually so let's take that caller first. Okay. Virtual speaker if you can press star six to unmute and
Okay. First of all, I've told you guys a million times now, you have to take public comment on every agenda item. You can't pass them by. This is for the last agenda item. The fact that the mayor lets the city manager and all of you for that matter behave so unprofessionally is unconscionable. And remember at the last meeting I informed you how Nguyen isn't even a member of the professional association that disciplines city managers So you all have no recourse to reprimand him for his childish antics, except to fire him. And his contract in many occasions will trigger a very lucrative golden parachute. That's why I'm working so hard to document all of his illegal maneuverings in this city and hence why he's quoting movies thinking he's hot shit.
Why are you also afraid of him and afraid to put him in his place? I remember several meetings when Burt Perrello reprimanded Aaron Starr for not going to staff before meeting so as to not spring things on the staff and council during the meetings and taking up time. Now here he is tonight, also grandstanding providing documents to the Council but no one has had the time to read it so it can't be commented on And the public out here can't see it at all. But thank you, Aaron for pointing out that it has no signatures on it. Yes, Bert's lawyer girlfriend missed that technicality and now here he is grandstanding tonight showing his true colors. He speaks for his own agenda not his constituents And to Manny Herrera, Councilman Stark can make a clarification on one issue and not have it affect his issues on a multitude of other issues.
You're trying to conflate multiple issues for your recall campaign clearly because it can't stand on its own merits and you have to be all dramatic with things like this. So Mayor please if you're gonna run these meetings run the meeting but don't let Alex DeWin keep getting away with shit! He's egotistical and he's breaking the law and you've got to stop him thank you
Thank you Mr. Andrews. Madam Clerk, are there any other speakers virtually? If not we'll go to Mr. Larry Stein who is here in person.
Mayor and Council Members that concludes our speakers virtually. Thank You Mr. Stein
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, City Council, staff, audience and members at large especially TV land. I'm somewhat concerned about the item dealing with the interim financial reports being resolved. Maybe it's my eyes but I just don't be able to see anything regarding contingent liabilities on prior financial statements maybe because there aren't any contingent liabilities Perhaps when things like the urban water master plan has not been funded, the fact that city council decides hey we may not want to support the urban water master plan because one city council member has stated that we have a right to change our minds. We may not want to do this thing. Again, we have staff members who believe that they can change plans even though they've been approved by prior city councils.
I'll let you get a clarification As we refer to the prior, except we have a violation of the public records act when two city council members are speaking to each other during public meetings. That's a violation of law. So the issue that We have a contingent liability on the agenda, on our report that may or may not be there. To what extent can City Council change the desires that have been approved by prior city council members? Prior city councils approve things like the Urban Water Master Plan. We've not funded the Urban Water Master Plan. It has been decided the City Council is not going to support the Urban Water Master Plan. If they are supporting the Urban Water Master Plan and other projects How come the liabilities for building these projects aren't on the CIP report?
How come these liabilities aren't showing up as unfunded liabilities on a balance sheet because these liabilities do exist. The fire station 9 was supposed to be built, the sports park was supposed to be built, the water master plan is supposed to be constructed, seawalls are supposed to be constructed. We have a number of projects supposed to get constructed that aren't showing up Thank you, Mr. Stein.
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Does
that
conclude the speakers? Mayor and council members, yes. That concludes our speakers in person and virtually for the information and consent agenda. Mayor we do have a motion and a second for item L2.
May I say something prior to that? Go ahead Councilwoman. And I'm sorry Mr. Stein it was rude of me to talk while you were talking but I did hear all your comments and we had a long conversation regarding that topic but it is really cold up here and I was just asking Council Member Rodriguez if she needed a sweater. So that was the extent of that conversation, but I do apologize you are correct and it was not her fault, it was my fault.
Thank you for making that clarification. We'll close the speaker portion for this item. Madam Clerk, that concludes the public speakers but we will take a vote on this item having our first and second.
Mayor Chair McArthur if we can go ahead and have you cast your votes This would be for L2 and L9. L9 is a receive-and-file for the Oxnard Housing Authority.
Yes, I thought I did.
Thank you in this motion carries 7 to 0 for L 2 and L 9 thank you.
Mayor
yes go ahead Council
Member. So I'd like to make a motion that we approve L1 L4, L7, 10, 11 and 12. You're right, 11 and 12, thank you. The reason why I'm not bringing up L6 and L8 is because those are receiving file. So L1, L4 ,L7, L11, L12.
Thank you. Is there a second? Madam Clerk, I'll call for the vote.
Mayor and council members if you can go ahead and cast your vote. Thank you and this motion carries six to zero thank you.
Thank you we'll start with Item L3, this was pulled by Council Member Starr. This is from the Community Development Department. The subject entails deferred development impact fees agreement for Aspire Apartments. The recommendation that the Oxnard City Council approve and authorize the mayor to execute an agreement with Aspire Apartments LP, a California limited partnership Deferring development impact fees until the time of final inspection or the date the certificate of occupancy is issued, whichever comes first in the amount of $2,223,063.54 for Aspire Apartments Project PZ 21-200-01, the downtown design review permit number.
This item did not originate in committee, Aspire Apartments was approved at a public hearing by the Community Development Director on June 27th, 2022. Also pursuing the government code section 66007, the city must allow for the deferral of these impact fees and charges upon requests. I see Director Jeff Pinkgilly is here to answer any questions staff members may have. We'll start with you Council Member Stowe, go ahead.
Yeah thank you by the way I'm generally fine with the concept of deferring fees until the building is completed as I was reading this agenda item and I kind of decided to go look into the government code section 66007 just to see what all the implications are of it while I was reading I noted the following language it said on or before August 10 of each year, the building official of the local agency shall furnish in writing to the county auditor a description of each parcel of land for which a performance bond or letter of credit has not been posted within local agencies jurisdiction upon which fees or charges are unpaid and the amount of the unpaid fees or charges.
I just have a request that in the future, the next time that this is filed, that the council be given a copy because I'd like to have an idea of how much in deferred fees do we have out there that we're planning on collecting in the future. If it's in the hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars, but it'd be nice to know. So that's my only request today, thank you.
Thank you. We can do that. Yeah, I appreciate that Mr. Brinkley. Any other questions or comments?
Just if we can get a response to that are there interest charges on deferred fees and at the same time you answered the gentleman's question, you can answer that one, thank you.
No, to my knowledge there is no interest charge on the deferred fees.
The code actually doesn't allow for the charging of interest on that.
Can you also answer the question Council Member Perlow? Thank you Mr. Franklin, that will suffice. If there's no other questions or comments on L3 what's the desire of council on this item? Thank you we have a first and a second Madam Clerk I'll call for the
vote. Mayor and council members if you can go ahead and cast your vote please Thank you, and this motion carries seven to zero. Thank you.
Thank you. We'll go to L5. This is from the Cultural and Community Services Department. The subject entails a request for appropriation of funds from the Public Art Fund for the installation of public art. The recommendation is that the City Council want to authorize the Culture Arts Commission with staff support to administer a public call for artists for the design of asphalt art to be installed by an experienced operator in the Central Business District, in support of the Downtown Vision Plan and the 4th Street Mobility Project.
And two, appropriate $150,000 from the Public Art Fund available fund balance through the Downtown Arts Hub Mural Program for the design and installation of the asphalt art in the Central Business District And I see Julie Estrada is here to answer any questions we may have. We'll start with you, Council Member Starr.
Thank you. By the way, I really like this concept of the asphalt art and I think it's a great opportunity for us to be the first in the county to actually use that so my hat's off to you for bringing this to our attention. I especially like the traffic calming aspects of this. I think maybe it could create a less dangerous situation on the roads here My question is, and maybe the Public Works Director might need to be part of this conversation.
My question is on the durability of the asphalt. It just seems to me that the traffic would wear out the art over time and I'm wondering how much of an ongoing maintenance burden are we taking on with this?
Of course, good evening Mr. Mayor, Mayor Patel and members of Council. My name is Julia Estrada, Culture Arts Manager for the City of Oxnard. Part of our approach by taking or bringing on a professional to do the actual installation of the art is the ability to implore traffic paint like thermoplastics and those kinds of materials in our research with other cities who have this art when you use traditional paint you're correct it doesn't traditionally last more than about 24 months But by imploring traffic materials into the artwork, not only are you also securing the driving surface but you get 10 plus years out of it. So with minimal maintenance of power washing and just kind of keeping an eye on it, you do get a good period of time where they can stay in place by using traffic materials.
So that's why we're taking the approach of a professional installer to be able to use those materials and preserve the artwork.
That's great. And my other question has to do with, I can see instances where some of this asphalt art is really creative out there. I've seen it where it actually looks like you're going to walk into a hole in the ground just because that 3D effect, just the optics. While I'm certain that in many cases that the asphalt art will have a traffic calming effect I'm concerned about those strange cases where maybe somebody is distracted and it actually causes an accident. So my question surrounds, and maybe this is also a public works director question or a legal question, I want to ask whether there's any design immunity concerns When it comes to the traffic engineering aspect because we've got lots of liability these days where somebody sues us for any given reason and but if we are doing.
If we're doing everything in accordance with whatever the required rules and regulations are, then we're protected from liability as a city. I just want to make sure that the powers that be are blessing this as something that still helps us qualify for design immunity should somebody get into an accident as a result of being distracted by the art.
Thank you, Council Member. Elma Caron, Assistant City Attorney and this type of project public arts in a crosswalk or something like that would still qualify for design immunity. You would follow obviously these standards for the paint and the width and the dimensions and certain things that the prior speaker already told you guys about. And then secondly if the driver's distracted we don't have any control over that they would essentially have to prove Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. Michael Wolff, Director of Public Works. Just to add a couple of little bit of context here.
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Most of you know, I kind of bring this up a lot. We do have manuals that talk about different devices that we're allowed to use. And we also get guidance from Federal Highways Administration, FHWA. So there are some guidance documents. It's not a lot out there but there are guidance documents in terms of what can and can't be or actually it talks about different aspects of it. Doesn't tell you what you can't do and can do but different aspects of it. One of the things they do talk not experimental 3D illustration. So that's one of the things they explicitly talk about so I think to your point as long as we go through the process as City Attorney's Office mentioned, go through the process and make sure we have the right folks reviewing and approving it and then using the right type of paint using the right types of process.
We put thermal plastic down a lot of places. We put green paint down for bike lanes and bike transition areas and so we have those processes already in place for that but there are some guidelines Thank you very much.
aligned to my own vision to modernize and just beautify our city. And following that presentation by Julie, I read an article by the Bloomberg Philanthropy Group that indicated about 50% reduction in crashes supported by another academic study that came out. Simply, I think intersection art breaks the monotony. And so commuters slow down seeing the bright colored art and yield to pedestrians or actually increases pedestrian safety. And I'm glad you pointed out that protecting that artwork, it can endure up to maybe 10 years. So thank you for that. Yes, go ahead.
Thank you, Mayor. And I'll just say that the Public Works Director already answered my question about the options and 3D not being one of them because I was going to say is it possible to have a 3D artwork that when you look at it from a certain angle looks like a motorcycle officer sitting on the corner? But I guess that's out of the question so those are my questions.
Again, thank you Julie. This is going to be great for our community. It really makes our community beautiful and let's not forget we were just designated a Central Art District so it goes along with the 4th Street Corridor and everything else so it's beautiful.
Mayor I'd like to make a motion to move the recommended action for L5.
Thank you Council Member Starr. I'll second that. Call for the vote Madam Clerk.
Mayor, I'm sorry who was second? Council Member Starr
and then I
made the second. Thank you if you can go ahead and cast your vote I thank you and this motion carries 7-0. Thank
you. We will go to L7, this is from the Police Department. Resolution commending Assistant Chief Denise Morehouse. Recommendation that the City Council adopt a resolution commending Assistant Chief Denise Morehouse for over 30 years of exemplary service in the city of Oxnard Police Department And Chief Benitez is here to answer any questions anyone may have.
And I know that Mayor Pro Tem, you and also Councilman Perrello wanted to make some comments on this item. Go ahead Councilman Perrello.
Yes for the public who doesn't get a chance to hear these things we had a terrific individual tonight acknowledged for 30 years of service in the city. Some people come and they receive their recognition some people would rather not This is an individual that when you read the information and ladies and gentlemen, it's not long. I'm hoping our mayor can read this information for the public.
This woman was a groundbreaker. This woman did a lot of firsts there recognized in the statement but unless someone reads it to you'll never know it so Mayor that's what I'm requesting that you read this It's an example of individuals that got involved in a job. They did tremendous, but they also stood up for a gender that was not at the time 30 years of service, a lot of police women. There are many more policewomen now, but I think it needs to be acknowledged. She's done a heck of a job and she did it all here.
I hope you will
read it. Absolutely. I certainly will oblige. For me especially having worked with Assistant Chief Morehouse, I started about a year or so before she did. An exceptional human being and great leader in our department. And certainly we'll read this document presented by Chief Benitez. If you'd rather, I'll read it. No, I'll read it. Here we go. Denise Morehouse began her service with the Oxnard Police Department on January 2nd 1996 and has devoted three decades of exemplary service to protecting in servicing the community of Oxnard.
Over the course of her distinguished and trailblazing career, Denise Morehouse has served in a wide range of critical assignments including field training officer, narcotics detective, child abuse and sexual assault detective, internal affairs sergeant, patrol support commander, professional standards commander, and assistant police chief as she rose through the ranks of officer to assistant police chief She achieved significant milestones as the first woman to serve as a canine handler, commander and assistant police chief in the department's history.
And throughout her tenure has exemplified exceptional leadership integrity and unwavering commitment to excellence. Beyond her professionalism accomplishments Denise has demonstrated deep and lasting commitment to the Oxnard community through her service with the Suroptimus International of Oxnard is a youth mentor with the Police Activities League As a mentor for United Way Ventura County, Women United reflecting her dedication to empowering others and strengthening the community she has so faithfully served.
These accomplishments not only reflect her dedication but also have helped pave the way for greater opportunity in representation within the public safety profession while aspiring future generations of leaders through her leadership mentorship and commitment to the high standards of policing she has strengthened our department serve the community with absolute honor and help set an example of what is possible through dedication, courage, and unwavering service to our city.
And so without hesitation that we I know we are all in agreement to recognize her and provide this recognition. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to read that.
If there's no comments, I'd make the motion too.
Yeah, I guess a potential commenter
Yes, I just wanted to take a moment to thank Assistant Chief Morehouse for her service to our community over three decades. And I appreciate Councilor Perrello making that request and the mayor fulfilling it of reading the background from the staff report because as Councilor Perrello mentioned, it is city employees prerogative if they want to do a little bit more low key or if they want to be during the ceremonial items But I did want to take the opportunity to thank her for her service and the many milestones that she hit over the course of her career, and just wish her well in retirement. So thank you. And the council member had made the motion. I'm going to go ahead and second then.
Wonderful. And I'll personally write the resolution. Madam Clerk, call for the vote? Mayor and
Council Members, if you can go ahead and cast your vote.
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Thank you. The Chief of Retirement is tomorrow?
Thank you. And this motion carries 7 to 0.
That concludes the consent agenda items that were pulled. We will now
move to item M1, this is the time and place set for a public hearing on Item N1 Community Development Department subject Avalon Homes, a 56 unit single family condominium development located at a property generally at the northeast side of the intersection of Beachcomber Street and Harbor Boulevard bound by West 5th Street I move that the City Council adopt a resolution.
Approving planning and zoning permit number 16-300-03 for a tentative subdivision map subject to certain findings and conditions of approval. And four, adopt a resolution upholding the Planning Commission's decision to approve planning and zoning permit number 16402 for coastal development permit Subject to certain findings and modified conditions of approval, this item did not originate in committee.
And Director Jeff Binggeli from the Community Development Department is here. We start with the city clerk's certification of publication and written communications if any. Madam City Clerk?
Mayor and Councilmembers, there was a legal notice for this public hearing published in the newspaper on May 7th. And the City Clerk's Office received four written communications on this project. Thank you.
Thank you Madam Clerk. Do any council members have any ex parte communications or other disclosures regarding this matter to state for the record?
No.
I spoke with the city attorney. That's the only thing I did.
Thank You Councilmember Perlow. Nothing from you Mayor Paterno? Members of the public were invited to sign up to speak on this item on the city's website. And a person who did not sign up may do so now by submitting a speaker card or following the instructions posted on the agenda for this meeting and at the city's website, Oxnard.org, City Meetings. Jenny Peltier, Planning Supervisor, posted a video presentation regarding this item and is available to answer any brief clarifying questions Council members may have before we take public testimony on this item.
The council will deliberate after the public hearing has been closed. Do any council members have any questions at this time? Go
ahead,
Council Member Perlow.
Thank you. On page 333 of the staff report first paragraph, the bottom last sentence it identifies $43,808.91 per single family dwelling unit If we have that amount of How many homes can we build with that amount of money somewhere else if we allow this to happen within lieu fee? Because I am inclined to support the Planning Commission and not allowing the in-lieu fee. Do you have an idea if somebody could explain for me or anybody else watching, if we receive this amount of money, say $43,000, round it off, $44,000 per each home a developer will be able to pay that amount of money So the city can go somewhere else and build something for somebody else local housing. I'd like to know where that individual would be able to build something for $44,000 and an explanation because I will be asked those questions.
Good evening Brenda Lopez, Housing Director. So what we did is we estimated look we went back a five year period looking at our housing in lieu fund and trying to determine what projects we funded in the most recent five years so looking at an end for this project of approximately 2.4 And when we look at our average of projects that we have funded, we would estimate a minimum of 85 units, affordable units. I'm saying a minimum because the actual number can go higher depending on the unit mix, income restrictions and funding sources that the developer has. So in this case just to give you an idea, I believe we're looking here at six units in our pipeline right now. We have completed 361 units We have 148 in our pipeline for a total of 509 apartment units throughout the city of Oxnard.
All of those units or developers have received funding from our In-Lieu Fund and other CDBG and home funds, so minimum of 85, potentially more depending on the project.
So that generates a couple of questions in my mind. When we're going to allow this developer to build his individual units Are we going to require individual affordable units, say a house for a house? Or do apartments or condos or town duplexes count equally with an individual standalone house?
So when we collect the in-lieu fund. No, we do not make it like a unit per unit per se. This money goes to our fund which then we provide to other developers to assist them with any financial gap that they have.
So the amount of money and I believe you said 80, I think it's 80 units we'll be able to build?
Minimum of 85 is what we're estimating.
Minimum of 85 so I am not rational if I think we're going to build 85 units at 43,000 each these are going to be some sort of a marriage with other funding Correct. To generate that construction?
Correct, so what we're saying is by building our In-Lieu Fund we can support other developments in the future and instead of six units then we have an opportunity to help another developer if you will to build a minimum of 85. What that would look like depends on what projects come into the pipeline.
And I appreciate that Miss Lopez as the head of the Housing Authority. Do you see a way that you would recommend the council to put some sort of a clause on this item requiring that sometime in the future? I don't know when we're going to get at least 85 units.
No, I do not believe it's applicable to this project that we have here from our housing department standpoint. We recommend building our in lieu fund why because then we can actually we are able to or we're in a position where you can help more families so the way we look at it is six families or potentially minimum of 85 I really enjoy the aspect that maybe we'll get more than what we were expecting, but
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Is there any way the city attorney can add something that we could possibly put in there because I like to know When I'm approving this, if I approve this that I know that I can tell somebody when they why did you prevent affordable housing from going down at the beach? Was it you didn't want people to live in affordable housing to live at the beach. That's not it but the reason that I will use if I approve this is that we're going to generate more affordable housing in the city of Oxnard and that more I'm looking right now give or take a little bit a little bit 85 that in a year, it might be 32 or maybe it'll be 106. But I'd like to know what's at least 85 and that's why I'm asking can our city attorney suggest something that we could possibly do to make sure that we get a minimum of 85?
Mr. Mayor, Mr. Perlow and Council, I'm happy to address this. So the item before you tonight is a development project. And so there are two options before you when it comes to the affordable housing opponent One, you can require as the Planning Commission recommended that there be six affordable units built on site. Or two, you can say instead the developer will pay an in-lieu fee.
The number as outlined is $43,808.91 per dwelling unit constructed which is Just under 2.5 million dollars, that money in turn as Miss Lopez indicated would go into the affordable housing fund as she indicated we can't guarantee the number of units that would be constructed because it's basically bridging the gap most affordable housing projects have layers of funding I've seen some as many as eight levels of funding to help it Thank you very much. I appreciate the clarity of the answer and
I need to say this, some people say that we're unfortunate to have the legal help that we do. I think we've got damn good legal help. I'm very grateful to have Mr. Rizzo answer that question. Those are my questions, Mayor.
Thank you,
Ms. Lopez. Thank you.
Mr. Mayor, if I could add one more, I think important distinction which is the difference of the covenants for the affordability of the two. So if you do the six at this project, the affordability lasts
20 years versus in our Inlew, it could be up to 55 years.
Right so there's a difference there of six units here and the affordability requirement is for 20 years I believe and if we take the money into this fee and then we use it to leverage as gap funding for projects such as Cabrillo many mansions and so on And they can do many, many more units. Based on our experience we project it could be roughly 80-85 but of course the economy can always change that.
But however many units it is, we know it will be many more than six and we know that the affordability requirements will last approximately 50 years so I think the rules are between 45 and 55? Correct up to 55 years. So they would be required to remain affordable housing for approximately 50 years. So that's also an important distinction, thank you.
If I can just add to that. Go ahead. In other words if someone were able to get the affordable of the six they would be able to capitalize on the fact that the city helped the affordable and at the end of that time be able to sell them at market rate which would be a much earlier time than if it was In the other 55 unit, 55-year angle. Is that correct?
That is correct. They can sell the property at market rate in 20 years. It is no longer going to be restricted to being sold to another low income family versus our other funds we have a longer restriction.
Thank you very much. That's very significant information. Thank you.
Council Member Starr go ahead.
Yeah I guess I'm not following all the numbers here so If we got 44,000 roughly per unit, 56 units just under two and a half million dollars. If I divide that by 85, I'm getting somewhere around $29,000 per unit so I'm trying to understand how do we get to 85 units at $29 thousand per unit?
If I could provide some context, Jeff Bengeli Community Development Director What I understood from Brenda's answer is we're not building ground up units. We're providing gap funding for projects that have pulled together other complex funding sources for low income housing. One example is a project that is recently asking for a little over $2 million because of interest rate increases and other things.
If we had that money, and I don't want to speak to that specific project but that one project is 230 something units. So it's gap funding not building new units from the ground up but that can be leveraged with other partners that build low income housing to generate a larger number of units.
Just so I'm following this what's in it for the builder here? I mean if you take two and a half million divided by the six units and that's over $400,000 per unit that they're paying in order to avoid having to build these six units at a lower price. Help me understand how that pencils out for a builder, because that doesn't quite make sense to me yet.
I could ask one of the reps from the development team to come up but you know essentially either option is compliant with the city's inclusionary housing. They're not getting...
Right, I'm just trying to understand how it pencils out
I just want to say the development team is actually doing a presentation, and they may hit that and maybe we can hit that after they've done their
entire presentation. Yeah, I'm fine with that. So I guess we'll do it.
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I think staff did a good job summarizing it. Your ordinance gives us an option A and an option B, and what it comes down to for us in the way we look at this is that we feel that the fees that we pay can get you more units elsewhere in the city. In fact, we did some homework on what GAAP financing has helped affordable housing builders do in the city in the past year or so.
City staff can fact check my research, but for what I found it looks like there was about $4.6 million the city awarded in gap financing that contributed to 235 units being built at many Manson's project that's a spire people self help housing at Cypress Place and Cabrillo Economic Development's floor so we're at the gardens from our point of view We aren't affordable housing providers. That's what it comes down to, or I should say my client is not an affordable housing provider. We don't have the expertise to provide the really meaningful on-site supportive services that dedicated affordable housing providers do in our community and we have some fantastic ones with Cabrillo, with People Self Help, with the housing authorities. And our point of view is that we feel after talking with city staff those dollars will go further somewhere else and be more meaningful units for folks who are living in lower income house.
I don't know if that answers your
question. Not really, because I'm just putting on my businessman hat, I guess, if you will. And I'm thinking would I pay $400,000 per unit for six units to not build that? I don't understand why anyone would do that. So maybe it's just help me understand from the bottom line aspects why someone would ever do that.
Yeah. Again, if any members of our team have further comment they're welcome to come up. But it really comes down to there's also management costs for those affordable units in the long run and again my client is market rate building that's what they've done that's what they've known this is a long-term operating you know an affordable unit is not something they're familiar with doing so payment of this fee in their point of view You pay it, and people who are experts at building those units go when they build those units. And it's not a question mark on our pro forma
so to speak. So this really isn't just a matter of only selling a house for a lower cost? There's a lot of ongoing costs that you'd have to incur and you'd be in this project for a long, long time as a result of that. Is that a fair assessment?
Right. And I just want to emphasize that I'm the consulting land use planner, so... I've
collected you.
So yeah, yes, I think you're correct in that regard. All
right. That's interesting. Thank you so much. I do have other questions. You do?
Go ahead.
So regarding the transportation impact that can't be mitigated where we have this statement of overriding consideration Is that unique to this project or is this sort of like a general issue throughout the city
anyway? To answer the question, VMT vehicle miles traveled. There's a formula from Ventura County that determines where areas within your city either exceed a certain threshold based on the county's data The city has generated a map essentially that shows areas of the city that exceed that threshold. So there are other areas within the coastal zone and parts of South Oxnard that also are above the county average for vehicle miles traveled, it is not specific to this project or this site.
Okay, and a different question. I'm wondering if you or somebody else can talk about street lighting? I had one constituent reach out to me. I think he reached out to all of us. He was voicing his disappointment that the placement of trees sometimes adversely impacts the lighting on the street especially as those trees mature and I'm wondering How do we address that to make sure we don't have a problem down the road?
Do we have rules for how far a tree needs to be from a street light?
There is a condition of approval that separates the lighting fixtures from the trees. So when the project submitted for building plan check where their final landscaping plan is submitted, we look at the maturity of the tree over I think 20 years to identify the canopy and if it's far enough away from the light fixture.
All right and then I have a question about parking and how so we got this Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the public. I'm concerned about parking. I recognize that two car garages are being provided for all units. I think my wife and I are probably the exception to the rule that we use our garage to park our cars but a lot of people end up using it for storage at some point and they end up parking elsewhere.
And parking on the streets, even in nearby neighborhoods if necessary to get to their homes.
Yeah, the parking requirement for the development is enclosed to car parking spaces. So it meets the parking requirement. The street is proposed to be a private street where they're allowing on-street parking. So while there may be spill off into the adjacent neighborhood, there's on-street parking along with two surface lots that I think they're relatively small under 10 spaces to accommodate guests
So if this is all private streets, then I assume that the Homeowner's Association is going to maintain those and they actually would be empowered to make rules about when people can park and that sort of thing at least on their property.
Potentially.
Okay. All right. Thank you Mayor.
Thank you. Go ahead Mayor Pro Tem.
Thank you just real quickly to Council Member's question regarding the spacing between streetlights and trees Our public works director did respond to the individual and did mention to him that the landscaping standards are currently under or nearing their Journey in the process and going to the public first transportation committee later this calendar year. And so those standards will update and address the tree spacing between streetlights on the right of way. Will those standards apply to this project or just two future projects?
I would leave that to the Public Works director when we get to that point, okay?
Thank you. If there's no other clarifying questions will The applicant will now give a presentation not to exceed 15 minutes
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Thank you. And we do have a PowerPoint presentation that will get queued up here for you.
Oh,
thank you Ashley.
Thank you. Applicant please proceed with your presentation.
Oh
yeah
no problem. Well I guess I got the introductions out of the way but uh for the record Tanner Shelton was Sandbell our firm is serving as the consulting civil engineers and land planners on the proposed Avalon Homes project before you this evening um we're requesting a coastal development permit and a tentative track map So before we really dive into the weeds, I want to give a little bit of an overview of the project timeline because it's been a journey to be here and it's been a journey that we've worked collaboratively with city staff throughout the process. The Oxnard Shores Company is a local family-run development firm with deep roots in Oxnard and they've been developing in and around this neighborhood since the 1960s actually.
Mike Marlow who's here in the audience tonight his grandfather was actually involved with some of the development of this area back in the day We first filed a planning application for the proposed project in 2016. The application was for 65 unit development at the time, consisting of attached townhomes and detached single family residences. The application was deemed complete and we went through review under the California Environmental Quality Act in 2020.
In 2021, we decided to revise the project downwards from a 65-unit project to a 56-unit project along with making some other relatively minor design changes. I just wanted to give an overview for that. Firstly, the 65-unit project relied on the granting of variances in order to make it feasible because of the unique configuration of a lot, the relatively narrow development area After careful consideration and collaboration with our partners at the city, we felt that it was best not to pursue a variance request for a number of reasons.
And then secondly, we wanted to design the project with an updated typology that was more consistent with the character of the surrounding Oxnard Dunes community after listening to public feedback. So I just wanted to give that context because when you read the EIR, it talks about a 65-unit project and then you see the 56-unit projects so that's the history with that.
And then we're here today now in 2026 public hearing. And the EIR was recirculated because time had passed in between. So the project consists of the following key components, a tentative track map to subdivide the site as follows three residential development lots, three community amenity lots, two private street and vehicular circulation lots and two open space lots. The project consists of 56 residential dwelling units These are detached single-family condominium units. They look just like a single family home, they're condominium because of the ownership structure not because of shared walls or anything of that nature.
Each unit has its own private backyard and garage. The project consists of a private street for access and circulation, a community park with playground and community garden. Additionally, we are proposing 29.58 acres of permanently conserved open space as part of this project. We initially wanted to donate this land to the City of Oxnard, dedicate this land to the city.
However it's looking like we're actually going to be donating this land to a land trust and we're actually currently in discussions with the land trust about potential donation of that property to them as a preservation open space parcel. To orient you, the site is 38.3 acres generally bounded by 5th Street to the north, Harbor Boulevard to the west, the existing homes around Catamaran Drive to the south and the Edison Canal to the east.
The site has a split zoning designation between resource protection in the upper portion of the image there that Encompasses approximately 77% of the site area. The remaining 23% of the site will be developed with residences and that is zoned R2C's coastal zoning. This slide shows the proposed site plan for the proposed development area. The proposed development, as I mentioned, consists of 56 units. The proposed residences are detached single-family condominiums, a private roadway With a public easement, a public access easement for vehicles and pedestrians is proposed. So this will allow the public to come and utilize the road like any other road in the city. It won't look or feel any different. The only difference will be that it will be maintained by the HOA and the developer and it won't be publicly maintained road.
A private pocket park with a tot lot picnic area and community garden is proposed in the right-hand corner of the site, kind of where the street turns there. That park will be owned by the HOA. It will be a private park but we don't have the intention of gating that off. There will be signage saying that it is a private park for community residences but I want to be clear that it's not gated or restricted in any way.
The site design results in improved neighborhood circulation via the extension of Canal Street. For those of you familiar with that neighborhood, you know that there's a stub out kind of where Dooms and Beachcomber does the knuckle over the Harbor Boulevard and then Canal Street just kind of terminates right now without a cul-de-sac. What we're doing is extending Canal Street up and over to where it was originally intended to go and completing the neighborhood street network.
These slides show the architectural Style of the project, it can best be described as contemporary coastal architecture. All proposed residences are two stories and no residents will exceed 24 feet in height. Units are clustered in groups of four around common driveways to reduce the number of curb cuts, driveways and garages directly facing the street. These common driveways will include decorative colored paving and paver and stonework Guest parking is located along the private street. No guest parking is located in the driveway and since it came up in discussion earlier, I wanted to get you the statistics on the parking so City Code requires that we have 155 parking spaces total for the project We are providing 172 spaces So we are actually providing more than what the code requires in terms of both resident and guest parking based upon Oxnard zoning ordinance The proposed project is compliant with all R2C development standards including setback, height and parking requirements.
The site design continues the existing street section so the existing street layout will be near the surrounding neighborhood and will result in the completion of the street network as mentioned previously. The architectural design is of similar massing and scale to the duplexes and single-family homes in the existing neighborhood This is the most exciting part of the project for me. As previously noted, we're proposing the permanent preservation of 29.58 acres of open space. The open space will be open to the entire Oxnard community as a nature preserve.
The open space will contain a half mile nature trail and a smaller paved ADA accessible loop trail. The site will be accessed via secured parking area for preserved visitors that will be closed outside of hours. The entire preserve will be fenced off so that you can control ingress and egress up the preserve, and there'll be standard operating hours as set out in the conditions of approval and based upon our discussions with potential land trust that we'll be owning and operating the property.
And here's some imagery of that open space. If you're not familiar with it, it is really spectacular property and I'm really excited for the community to be able to experience it. The proposed project is in the coastal zone therefore it's governed by the city's local coastal plan. As you may have seen in the staff report and other materials there are mapped ESHA areas on the property these as shown here in the green and kind of lighter greenish yellow colored images on the map are largely in the resource protection area portion of the site, which is going to be dedicated preserve open space.
We are impacting a small area of willow thickets. We are mitigating those willow thickets at a four-to-one mitigation ratio so for every square foot of willow thicket set is removed we're replacing it at four times the amount that is currently there. The mitigation measures also result in habitat restoration up on the northern resource protection area parcel There's going to be biological and botanical surveys prior to any construction that occurs at the site as a safeguard, as well. I know we talked about this a little bit earlier so I'll kind of skim over it since I kind of talked about it earlier but your Inclusionary Housing Ordinance gives us the two options.
Staff's recommendation in our request initially was for payment of the inclusionary, excuse me, the in lieu housing fee. We are continuing to request that to your council but ultimately you guys are the decision makers. Your body is the decision makers in that regard and we will move forward with your direction on this so I just want to make that clear. You're the decision makers. We're looking for a direction for you. We believe there's a strong case to be made for the affordable housing in lieu fee request however that is your decision to make.
In summary, we believe this project provides tremendous benefits to the City of Oxnard. Most notably is the creation of a publicly accessible 29.5 acre nature preserve, the smaller pocket park, the construction of the canal street extension and other road improvements completing the Oxnards Dunes Street network, provision of 56 units of detached single family housing Fulfilling the city's housing element goals for the site and construction of upgraded stormwater and storm drain infrastructure that will benefit the project site, and also the surrounding community.
Our request tonight is summarized here. The project site is consistent with all applicable R2C and RP zoning standards, we're consistent with the general plan and the local coastal plan as detailed in the staff report. The FEIR has identified adequate mitigation measures for all impact areas except for the VMT area, as staff has mentioned. And the applicant requests that the City Council approve Planning Commission's recommended action without the modified condition requiring the on-site inclusionary housing ordinance. Again we will accept whatever the determination of this council is though on that topic I want to thank you for your time this evening. We have several members of our project team in attendance, and I want to thank city staff for working with us on this project over the past eight years.
This is just a small amount of the administrative record on this project, and we would not have been able to do it without their guidance and help. So thank you very much. And we're available for any questions.
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Thank you very much. Does any council member have any questions regarding the applicant's presentation? Go ahead, Council Member
Perlow. You mentioned the partners and the owners. These are the same owners that own the property that you're hoping to turn into an open area, correct? Correct, yeah it's unified ownership. So these are the same owners that have owned the property when it's historically had a big problem with homeless and the fires and the various issues that have happened there. It's the same owner?
The property owners have owned the land for a substantial amount of time, yes.
Thank you.
Thank you, Council Member. Any other questions before we open it up for public comment? Yes, Councillor Humphison.
Yes hello thank you for the presentation um what is the value of these homes
so I don't have an exact figure because we're very early days in terms of where we are and we don't know the exact point in time based on neighborhood comparables though I would estimate that these units would sell for roughly one to 1.2 million dollars a unit And that number is subject to change.
So when you did your financing plan and construction plan, what was the number that was used to determine the value of the homes?
I don't have an answer to that. I don't know if my client has anything they would like to add in terms of the pro forma they've done but I don'y have any answer to that.
Thank you. I'll now open the public testimony portion of the public hearing. Speakers have three minutes to speak on this item, Madam Clerk? Do we have any virtual speakers on this side or beyond the stack of speakers
here present? Yes, Mayor and Council Members, we do have a virtual speaker. Would you like to take that call first? Yes
please. Yes, go ahead Council Member. We received 13 pages as this item started. Are we going to take a break so we get a chance to read them because I don't know if the rest of the council member have had a chance to read all of them, but 13 pages. Somebody took the time to write these and I would assume the way we got them there's an expectation we're aware of what they say. And I know that I can't listen watch and read and retain unless...
Sir are you making a motion for a five minute recess? Is that what your...?
Beg your pardon?
Are you making a motion for
a five minute recess? No I'm asking, I'm asking the mayor.
Yeah well this is we've got to take some public testimony Madam Clerk We'll take the public speaker, the virtual public speaker. And I just want to get some clarification from our city attorney. Councilman Perrello is asking if we could potentially take a five minute recess so that he has ample time to read the letters have been submitted for consideration.
So as the presiding officer, you can manage when you want the recess that's requested and whether you want to take all of the public testimony open and close the hearing before you take that recess. That's up to you. You're the presiding officer.
OK, sounds good. Yes, go ahead Mayor Pro Tem.
Thank you. If it helps, Councilmember, the first four pages are for items that were not agendized and then the fifth page is where we start with the public hearing item M1 and one of them is from the applicant as well Miss Barbara Macri-Ortiz did send hers a few days ago. And so if you've already had a chance to look at that one, it's included in here as well. So it may be that there's two maybe three written comments that you would need to review. So just wanted to go over that.
But I would like to point out to you Mayor Pro Tem that some of us may not have had the opportunity to go through as you have apparently aware And I want to make sure that every council member that votes on something this significant has an opportunity to read it. Because, I don't know about yourself but I know I'll be held accountable for my vote on this and I'll be held accountable for the people that wrote this. And I can see several in there that live in the district that I represent.
And cool is the correct word to blow off what somebody has taken the time to read here that I understand. I do recall in the past at a planning commission meetings when documents were given to planning commissioners at this late state, they were simply tossed back as not being eligible to be considered because it was inappropriate to do it that way. You may see it a little differently. And I do appreciate what you pointed out, but some of us have things that we do other than possibly keep in touch with all this stuff and when it's given at the last minute maybe it speaks as my incompetence, but it speaks also to my seriousness of treating everybody the same.
We did receive these a little after 3 p.m., as they're given to us here, but your point's well taken and if you would like a short recess to review them after we hear the public testimony I'd be supportive of that.
Well let's do this. We'll take a seven-minute break. We'll come back at 8. No, let's hear from the speakers first
and then
take a break. Well no, I just wanted to take the seven-minute break to allow us to read this and we'll start with the public testimony. Yeah. We will take a seven minute break We'll be back at 820... 829. Stretch out to... Okay everyone, just want to call the meeting back to order. And we will start with the virtual speaker, Madam Clerk?
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Virtual speaker if you can press star six to unmute and you have three minutes starting now. Virtual speaker.
Hello,
can you hear me?
Yes please proceed.
Okay thank you this is Manuel Herrera creator of Citizens for a Better Oxnard. I just wanted to remind everyone that we are living on Chumash land and so my question to both the developer and the council is out of respect Please include some kind of land acknowledgement in the form of either street naming or a statue, or some kind of acknowledgment to the original caretakers of this land.
As you know, the city in the past has worked with Chumash individuals such as Marion Parra and Chumash elder Julie Tumamait Stensley So, and if there's anything I can do to help assist or put you guys all together for this, I'd be more than happy to help. But again, just basically asking that the developer and the council members keep that in mind. Please offer some kind of acknowledgement to the original caretakers of this land.
That concludes my comments Mr. Mayor.
Thank you Mr. Herrera for standing by for your comments. We'll go to Gabriela Vignon
And Mr. Mayor, just as a formal notice the public hearing is open officially correct?
That's correct thank you. Yes she's the one that wrote the letter. Gabriella you're the one that wrote the letter as well correct?
I did in partnership with Frank Barajas who's also here and will read the letter for you out loud.
Sounds good thank you
So, good evening Mayor and Honorable Council Members. My name is Gabrielle Vignone and I'm the Executive Director of House Farm Workers. I am here on behalf of our Oxnard City Committee who as the mayor just said submitted a letter for your review in advance of the meeting. Ventura County is in need of affordable housing which is why we would like for you to have the developer of Avalon Homes include the creation of affordable units in their proposed development instead of allowing for the new fee There is not an affordable housing subset, then it won't benefit Oxnard families.
Addressing the developer's concern on if these homes are for sale then they wouldn't have that same concern of maintaining them and having that ongoing fees as you do with affordable housing when its apartments. So again, we strongly urge you to require the developer of Avalon Homes to build affordable units and not to accept their offer for the new fee. Thank you.
Thank you Ms. Mignone. Mr. Frank Barajas? Followed by Ms. Barbara Macri-Ortiz
Mayor, council members, Ventura County is in need of quality affordable housing. The House Markers Oxnard City Committee is looking to policymakers to enforce existing policies to allow the creation of affordable housing. The proposed Avalon homes may house people from other jurisdictions based on their location and potential pricing. The fact that Oxnard has a limited amount of land means that the city needs to make sure to house the low-income people in our community.
In order to give everyone the opportunity to have a home, new developments have to offer affordable housing. Unfortunately, in lieu fees often allow developers to incur more benefits than the residents of the city in which they are building. And let's keep in mind that this is a capitalist profit making endeavor. They portray themselves as being so altruistic with the City of Oxnard Housing Authority as though they're doing it from the bottom of their hearts. It's about maximizing profits Look at the numbers carefully. And I appreciate Aaron Starr's comment that the numbers don't add up, right? We're doing this for future 20 years, 50 years. We need affordable housing now.
Six units is at least what we can give back to the community If there's not an affordable subset that will benefit Oxnard families, then the loss of land that can be used to create housing stock should be reconsidered. Some of this land has to be dedicated to affordable housing and in lieu fees do not do that. I really question the city's housing authorities almost like they're in bed with a developer. I mean just listening to them it did it really It was like a private-public partnership that private capitalist entities benefit more from. So look at it carefully, look at the numbers carefully. Who's really benefiting? Is it the developer or is it the residents of the city of Oxnard or potential affordable housing residents?
For the reason above we strongly urge you to require the developer of Alvalon Homes to build affordable housing and not accept their offer to pay in lieu fees and follow the recommendation of the Planning Commission. I just recently reviewed scholarship applications for farmworker housing and the stories were harrowing, living in garages, living in apartments with two to three families having no privacy and particularly the students having nowhere to study Nowhere to have privacy to advance their education.
So this will, I urge you to reject the in lieu fees. Thank you.
Appreciate it Mr. Barajas, thank you. Ms. Barbara MacIorty followed by Felix Dabrowski.
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Good evening Mayor, Council Members. My name is Barbara Macri-Ortiz and I'm here to support the Planning Commission's decision on the in lieu fees and I hope you received my letter and had a chance to review it so I'm not going to go into any of that other than the fact that land is a finite commodity. I got a real lesson with this development across the street because there were a lot of people who want to buy homes and they just can't find anything. And you know, low income home that's somebody that's got a salary of over $100,000 and I can't... There's just totally foreclosed So that's what I'm looking at it for, because at one point I probably would have been on the side of the housing director. But we need some opportunities for everybody.
And you know, in terms of the inclusionary, I need a favor from you. I've been waiting for the inclusionary zoning ordinance to be updated since 2021 and actually before that Carmen when she was on the council she made a promise yeah we're gonna do that. I'm still waiting You need to update it. So you're updating your in-lieu fees, you're updating not the 20 years, you go 50 years in terms of putting the restrictions on it. We need that done and we need that done now.
But with respect to this one, my perspective really goes to the people I have been dealing with for the last year and a half. That segment of the population that wants to become homeowners and is not. And with this project at The Beach, chances are not one Oxnard resident is even going to end up there. OK? We're building housing for other people And for God's sake, at least let them build six units for our people and give some people the pride of homeownership. And that's why I support the Planning Commission's decision on this.
At some point we're running out of land. So every time you have a project, just think about it. It's a finite amount of land. You're giving up and sooner or later it's going to be over but we need to think about everybody in our And I appreciate what the housing department does in trying to patch together all different kinds of money to make these projects work. And I know they're getting harder and harder and harder, but I don't want to forsake the low income that have that burning desire to be homeowners. And this is an opportunity. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Ortiz. Felix? Followed by Mr. Lerstein.
Good evening, City Council members and Mayor. I'm totally against this project. I actually live in the Dunes. Everyone else speaking here doesn't live at the Dunes and you know, I don't like coming to these things but from what I understand city council members should represent the current residents of the city that they represent not the future residents Not the builders that want to make $78 million in this project. I mean, the last project was built in the dunes. The average price is $1.2 million. These units probably go for $1,400,000. That's 56 units at $78 million. So you're here just to make a builder $78 million. You don't really care about the residents of the dunes that objected this project The builder never came to us, never came with the president of our dues sitting right there.
They never had a set up a meeting to talk to Lisa to talk about the project. How do we feel about it? What they can do about it and now I have all these people coming here wanting us to build low-income housing in our community. Why? They don't live here. They don't care what happens to our community We have homeless That are have been terrorizing our area for the past 15 years. They build up campments at the Fifth and Harbor by the bridge And I just saw driving to the meeting You saw another guy coming in there with a bicycle where this stuff is gonna start building other encampment there again and the City Council you guys act when it's too late when they fires builder over there and The place will burn down but as far as The community, you guys don't care.
You guys care about the future residents or the builder making millions of dollars? It's all... it's sad that people that are not really active in this politically have to come out here to speak about this. As far as the vacancies I just googled searched while I was sitting waiting for here Oxnard has 3.1% vacancy rate in their apartments. So there's plenty of space for people to rent apartments and to live so we don't need, there is no shortage of housing and if there is a shortage of housing Oxford is a huge area why do we have to build everything on top of each other? There's no space and the free land they're going to give away to this trust.
No one's gonna monitor it homeless will come in sit there live there and none of you guys care I mean, I call the police at least once a week about the homeless people trying to set up an encampment. And when they build this project and they walk away like they always do, the land will be left vacant in this great park that they plan on having. It's going to be filled with homeless people and no one is going to monitor it. The city will come out here with the police and kick them out and repeat over and over again. It is sad.
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Thank you Mr. Dabrowski. Followed by Mrs. Alexis Schmidt.
Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Good evening. Members of City Council, staff, audience and public at large. What is the minimum wage in Oxnard? Well it depends whether you're salaried or hourly. If you're a salary employee just under $70,000 a year. If your hourly's $18.90 per hour Now take 20% of that, most people in Oxnard probably earn probably 20% or more or 20% approximately above minimum wage or less.
We have requirement to build so many homes for Oxnard residents. So how can somebody earning say $90,000 a year afford a 1.2 million dollar home? Well, they can't. Where's the down payment money going to come from? Oh, I'm sure the city manager will just give them a check right now and give them down payment money. Maybe send the council grant money to people who want down payment for $1 million homes.
The question is homes don't need to cost 1.1 million dollars for larger homes. Why not build smaller units? Why not build 800 900, 1200 square foot units. What does the city mandate that developers build units no bigger than 1200 square foot units? We have a housing expert sitting on City Council. She's not discussing these issues or raising these questions. The bottom line is the houses are supposed to be affordable, economically affordable to residents of Oxnard. Not statistically affordable just because the homes fall under low income What is truly low income and what is it to the people who live in Oxnard? People are earning 20% above minimum wage, can't afford these homes. Why not be building homes for the residents of Oxnard and not just for people from out-of-town?
Again the other issue I have is water. Where's the water going to come from? The city adopted a water neutrality policy A number of years ago, I asked our assistant city manager about the water neutrality policy. The City Council passed an Urban Water Management Plan. Where is the Urban Water Management Plan being funded? When are you going to build enough water to generate 10,000 acre feet of water per year? Well, I don't know. It's supposed to be 14,000 acre feet of potable water per year that's supposed to be generated.
You're not funding it. So where is new water sources for this project? Because it's not coming from the Urban Water Management Plan that City Council has not approved for the adoption. Thank you very much for your time.
Thank you, Mr. Stein. Alexis.
Good evening, Council. So I also support the Planning Commission's recommendation. It is my perspective that The developer does not want to place affordable housing in this area so that they can charge more, sell the houses for more that they're already building. And when we're talking about multi-million dollar homes most people in Oxnard can't afford And I think that housing should be more equitable in Oxnard. There has to be, you know, you can't push everyone into apartments because a lot of people who live here live in multi-generational homes including myself. There are three generations of people in my home and we live in an apartment and it's very crowded. And I personally would like to have the opportunity to own a home one day and that's just unlikely to happen with a $2 million home.
So yeah, I support the planning commission and you know you guys we have these commissions so that you can listen to them. Thank you.
Thank you Alexis. Madam Clerk does this conclude the speakers for the public hearing?
Mayor and council members that concludes our speakers in person and virtually for the public hearing
Thank you. If there are no additional speakers, then we will close the public hearing. The public hearing is now closed. If you just want to come up and fill a speaker card
in...
You can fill it afterwards, that's fine.
Thank you, sir.
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I know a few of you up there but not that many. I don't know if you guys know me. I used to work for the city. I own property out in the dunes. I've got one two three four six units out there right now. I was talking to some of the builders here and it seems that way they want to make the entrances in the exits Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the public. I know a lot of people want affordable housing but that's not the area we need to put affordable housing. There is a lot of land in But I think if you do the back of the dunes there, and you're gonna need to do something in your writings on security. Because there's a lot of homeless over there. I've got one tenant and twice they've had DoorDash come up to their house, they didn't order.
It's people in the dunes are ordering food and They're picking it up at one of my addresses and then going over into the dunes and eating it. So that's expensive, okay? So if they're homeless people and they can afford to have food delivered, boy maybe they can afford some rent someday. Anyway I don't want to take any more of your time thank you all and let's approve this. You know you still have a few good people working for the city.
This guy right here he was great. He was great I had him come out, and I don't know if you remember one night. I don't even remember what street but you were a dog handler at that time and he did an excellent job out there. Thank you guys.
Thank you. If you can fill our speaker card so we can have it for the public record. Now if there are no additional speakers then we will close the public hearing. The public hearing is now closed. Does any council member wish to comment? Yes, Mayor Pro Tempore. Go ahead.
Thank you mayor. I appreciate all the speakers and the people who took the time to do written comments. Those that took time to be here tonight. I know we're past the point of questions but something has brought up I'd like to ask for a clarification mayor if I can from staff. Sure absolutely. There was at least one comment made regarding not proceeding with the project at all Is that even in the cards for this agenda item for this evening, for the Council to take some kind of action that would just completely pause this project permanently in its tracks?
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No. You have to make a decision on the item tonight based on the recommendations.
OK. Thank you. I just wanted to manage expectations on there. My comments, Mayor. As I mentioned, I appreciate all the speakers on this. This is not the first time I've seen this project and it dates back a number of years when I first came onto the Council. I know it's been in play for some time since then and even prior to that. And hearing...thinking back to the comments from then and where we are now, I'm inclined I'm inclined to look at the equity access or the equity in homeownership here or potential for home ownership.
Because for those who own property, some of us who own multiple properties even in this particular area. I hope that we can think back to when you had your first shot at a property ownership and if you were able to utilize or take advantage of first time home buyer programs or programs that helped people to get into a home Own and call their own place to live, and then they had the opportunity to buy another home or move into another home as a upgrade There are opportunities given to them that were given to people That allowed them to do so And I hope that we can think three-dimensionally on this that this may be the opportunity that if this council decides to go forward with the six of And I just I really hope that they. If this That they realize that this is a way for them to step into homeownership in a wonderful neighborhood with wonderful neighbors, just as those who have A property, multiple properties today might have been given that opportunity back when they bought their first property.
So that's one of the ways I'm looking at this. It's not lost on me that there is certainly a lot of bang for the buck in lieu fee and how many units we could get out of that in gap funding and I get it. At the same time, the conversation sometimes sounds like well this area is for this kind of housing and this area is for this kind of housing And I really think we need to get away from that mindset as much as we can, because we're all neighbors. We're all community members here.
And from what I've learned in this role and looking at developments that have come in, there's no difference in materials or paint or anything between the units that are marked as affordable and those that are marked at market rate. And the families who come in are going to be your neighbors. And as I mentioned, this may be the opportunity they need to take their first step into homeownership. So I hope folks can see my line of thought on that and if this moves forward again it's an opportunity to have somebody six families potentially take that step.
So those are my comments at this time, Mayor. I'll give it back to you. But again, I want to thank all of the speakers because there was a good number of comments from a number of perspectives that I truly appreciate because it's helping me weigh this out. Thank you.
I'll just make brief comments myself. I think Frank Barajas, Alexis Schmidt and Ms. Barbara Macchi-Ortiz and others really said it eloquently. We have an inclusionary housing ordinance for a reason and we also have planning members for a reason that they voted 6-0 in support of the six homes I back them up, I'm supportive of that. And for all the reasons laid out here by our public speakers, I think this will give an opportunity for six families to essentially get into these homes and after 20 years potentially have the opportunity to have some generational wealth.
And I think it's our responsibility to be supportive of that so those are my thoughts. Go ahead, Council Member.
I just want to get some clarifications. So would the six houses indistinguishable from the other 50, or do they use different materials or fewer enhancements? Because you can buy a house with upgraded things and they cost more and some are very much more basic. So how does a house that's of the six compare to the other 50?
The inclusionary housing ordinance requires all of the units to have the same finishes, the same architectural details. The idea being that they're indistinguishable from each other.
Another question I have is it was mentioned to me and I'm learning stuff here. I wasn't aware that there was long-term managerial requirements If the developer has to build it, is that true or did I just misunderstand that? Can you describe what the developer would need to do with these six houses in the long run if they were the ones who had to build them.
The developer can set up an HOA to maintain the property outside of that I can't speak to what type of maintenance would go on to the units
So there's, okay. So there's no additional burden on the developers as a result of having to build the houses as opposed to paying the aloof fee? I'm just trying understand more what the actual burden is that's created by doing this.
Hi, Jacob Noonan, assistant housing manager director. No, there's no additional requirements except for selling the houses to income qualified homeowners
Okay, so that kind of conflicts with what I've heard earlier. So maybe I misunderstood what was said earlier. I
think the applicant mentioned that they didn't have any on-site services for these low income families which I'm not so sure how that comes into play. I think all we're asking for is that they be allowed to purchase these homes.
Yeah and what onsite services would be required?
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For ownership houses, there's no on-site services required. The household needs to qualify for the units and be able to obtain the financing and purchase the unit and then use the unit as their home.
To your point, Councilmember. You know, assistance for residents who live at those income-qualified properties. And I think that may be what he was referring to, that's the type of, for lack of a better phrase, wraparound services that residents at those fully affordable properties can get, those fully affordable developments. But I think that's an apples and oranges discussion here as you're kind of going down that path.
Right so I guess maybe Ashley, can you provide some
clarification? So there's not on-site amenities required. But I do think what Tanner was getting to is there is an affordability monitoring agreement and there is an annual requirement when we have an inclusionary unit that we go back and make sure that it's affordable. So there is some monitoring. That's the only thing that we can think of in terms of the ongoing costs associated with an affordable unit as the monitoring that goes with that side of it.
So there's a deed restriction though, right? When this house is sold at a lower price.
That is correct. It's deed restricted for 20
years. So does the monitoring involve just ensuring that the owner is not like subleasing it to somebody else at above rates or what does the monitoring actually
do? Brenda, do you want to address that? Or Ken, do you want to address that on the monitoring program that we have
I can go ahead. So under the city's regulations, there is a requirement if you have an affordable unit that you not sublease it out and then remain affordable. So that is ongoing obligation.
Brenda Lopez, Housing Director. That is correct. We continue to monitor to ensure for those 20 years that the homeowner is still in the unit so there is some monitoring that comes along with this restriction.
So how do other developments, so other developments that have been done this way where the developer builds the 10%, how have they managed that in past developments?
I can't speak for the developers.
I mean we've had other projects in this city. How are we monitoring those situations where we've got
I think when we were asking about why support the in-lieu fees, the developer was giving the example that their dollars would be best spent with folks who do this long term versus them managing or doing low income housing. It's just an option that they preferred. That doesn't necessarily mean that will happen. So I think the clarification I'm receiving is when you're managing low income housing versus you're selling to folks who can afford this income qualified home.
I mean that's my interpretation, maybe I'm misunderstood.
That's mine as well.
So roughly how much of a discount would there be on one of these homes if it sold to an affordable purchaser? Is it $100,000 less? $200,000? $400,000 less? $600,000 less? Because I'm just thinking from the developer's perspective, if I had to pay $2.5 million or sell houses for less money, well, for six houses that's about $400,000, right? So if I was the developer, I would take that deal if I knew I had to sell it.
If for some reason I knew I had to sell these houses for $600,000 less instead of $400,000 Man, I'd much rather pay the Illu fee. So walk me through these numbers.
So when we looked at the initial estimated sales price based on today's rates, so for a three-bedroom, we're estimating a little bit over $300,000 and for a four bedroom about closer to $330,000. Is
the discount basically? Okay. So they'll be paying a little bit more of a premium over that. Correct. So, OK. OK, I think that helps. All right, I think I might have other questions later but if others can ask their questions
first? Any other questions or comments? Yes, go ahead, Councillor McArdle.
If this project is approved it's given entitlements and I'd like to know, I have heard that the developer in place or the owner sells the entitlements to other parties. What's a track record with this developer, this owner Specifically the property at Harbour and Woolley Road.
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If this property is given the entitlements that allows the developer
Owner which we're sort of talking one in the same at least I'm trying to Simplify it that way It allows him to flip the property to some other developer Then they would come back and they have the entitlements And they contain change the project completely as has happened in the past in this city, and I'm wondering I think this is a developer that has done this in this area before Do we have a history with that?
So I'm not familiar if this developer has done that in particularly, but I can say that they can come back and request modifications to a development. Any developer once they have their entitlement can come back and ask for modifications under our ordinance if they want to modify their CDP they'd have to come back through the process we'd have an opportunity to review that It would have to come back to, depending on the scale of the changes, plunge you back to planning commission for those changes. So there would be a public review process for any changes that they'd be proposing and the city would have the opportunity to weigh in on those changes.
Thank you. A couple more questions. If this approval comes through with the affordable housing units in place How are we going to determine, as many people have said, it's not for people in this area. It's for people outside of the area. How do we determine who gets those six units? It's a two-prong question. How do we determine who gets the six units and how do we determine who is gonna benefit when after a few years they become market rate sellable?
So I'm gonna jump in here because Council Member Perrella you raised a very important point here And it's very, by the way, it's very rare to have a night where I partially disagree with Ms. MacRorty and partly agree with Mr. Stein. But here's the thing, and if the Council wants to do this, you might recall to the Teal Club project where one of the things I asked of the owners on their willingness when the time comes to only market to Oxnard residents.
So whatever the number of units that end up being affordable, if you go in this direction here and there's basically a state schedule that determines the affordability income and so on, those rules take care of themselves. What you cannot from the dais dictate is who the winning buyer would be. So, from that perspective anyone who is income qualified and who may simply be faster at the loan process and the credit process and so on could potentially buy the affordable unit.
So in other words there could be an income-qualified family from somewhere else that's not in Oxnard So if you want to go down that path, I would want to ask the owners if they would be willing to commit with this process that those six units they will only sell to Oxnard families who have been here for X number of time. 12 months, 24 months, so on because that's the only way you're going to have this impact and we can't force that They would have to be willing to do that because you're not, even if you go this route there is actually no guarantee that it will be Oxnard families.
You can't assume that they will be sold only to Oxnard families because again any income qualified person if they're fast enough on all of the paperwork and everything could be a buyer So I just want to, I think that's an important distinction. If we want to go down this route perhaps they'd be willing to commit to it.
That's very important. Thank you for pointing that out Alex. Go ahead Council Member.
Following up on this, I appreciate that City Manager. My understanding is that there are several neighborhoods in the city of Oxnard some years back that are what are considered blended neighborhoods and I remember one being in Rio Lindo where there was, there have been questions asked here tonight If there's a distinction, if you were to look at the house could you tell if one is affordable and one is not affordable? Ms. Ashley does this ring a bell than in the Rio Lindo area?
I don't recall that one no. Because across the street from Civica High School I remember it was a hot issue that there would be some that would be in that area that would be affordable.
Sorry, in redevelopment areas that was pretty common. You had a 15% affordability not a 10%. I don't know if that could have been that time period but our inclusionary ordinance also used to be the dollar amount used to be much less it was i think around three and four thousand dollars a unit and the council rarely granted that opportunity to pay the in lieu fee when we updated the fee sometime around 2020 um so this current fee that you're seeing here Thank you. One issue aside from the houses themselves is the open space and who will be responsible if they can entice someone to take ownership of
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has done, in my opinion, not a good job of keeping the open pace straight from the issues with homeless and the fires and the encampments as has been mentioned tonight. But... As memory serves me when Victoria Estates was built there was a big deal about they didn't want affordable units for Victoria Estates. And I sat as a member of the audience from our neighbourhood council when we were fighting about odours in a neighbourhood in the audience And I remember that the accommodation was made, was they built what's the homes are on Gumtree Lane. For those of you who don't know where that is all the cars that park in Victoria just below the bridge. That's where the overflow parking is for Gumtree Lane and the people run across eight lanes of Victoria to get to where they live because that is what the council did at that time.
And I've always thought it should have been blended in the neighborhood but it was a decision that was made at the time The idea, and I've asked it and I appreciate the answers that have come from the city. We need affordable housing. People are saying we're running out of land. I was a supporter of SOAR, I still am but there's options to increase the size of the land to develop if the city wants to go that way.
But when is announced how much money would be put into an affordable unit of pot to help multiple others The numbers that were used tonight earlier, 85 homes versus six homes. It's hard to look at 85 families and say no and give six the opportunity to benefit from when it changes to market rate a windfall. That's my thinking at the present time. I wanted to share that because...
I represent District 1. This is in District 1. They never let the poor people move into District 1. I get heat when it was first pitched that I become a supporter of council districts, and until Oscar Madrigal got on the Council, I never had any support for council districts. And then when Mr. Valenzuela initiated the suit against the City of Oxnard and they created council districts, I still remember this to the day I died.
The organization cause told me don't worry about a parole. You have all the rich white guys in Council District 1 on the beach. Ladies and gentlemen, they're not all rich white guys. The blend of this community can be perceived if we do not allow people to spread affordability in all the neighborhoods where isolating certain segments of community my neighborhood South Bank I think the majority I'd say a brown act of the if there was a Brown Act. We have a majority of the neighborhood council right there Thank you for coming to the meeting. It's one of the first times I've seen you here, but it's a blend of everybody across the board who is in that neighbourhood.
There are issues that happen when we cannot afford things and there are issues when it said that the house price was going to be $1.1 million, $1,400,000. How much can an affordable family own? How much can an affordable family ever afford? How can an affordable family ever get out of being trapped in only qualifying for low income? That's one of the issues that this council and this management is trying to do by increase the education level in this community, which has been another sore subject.
But those are my comments at this time.
Thank you Mr. Parlo. Go ahead Council Member Starr.
So would it be possible to create For lack of a better word, a marketing preference for like maybe it was like a 90 day period after the houses are built that the marketing of those houses would only be those six houses would only be in Oxnard before it's expanded to Marketing
everywhere is that an
option on the table?
So that's exactly what I suggest that we ask them to commit to but we can't force it They'd have to be willing to do it. So, I don't know if they want to come up here and address that
Good evening Mayor, Councilmembers. Good to be up here again. We can agree to that stipulation should you want to move forward with on-site affordable housing we would agree to a marketing preference to City of Oxnard residents for a period of 90 days on those six units only but we could agree to that if you want to move forward with the onsite inclusionary units.
That'd be an improvement I think so I guess I want to ask questions staff which is you know staff of course you recommended The in lieu fees, planning commission did not. How strongly do you feel about having the in lieu fee as opposed to the planning commission's decision? Is that something that's just extreme difference of opinion or is it like I can take it either way?
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Council members, I would say that this body is the appropriate deciding body for that. It's a tough decision. There's case made for both sides of the argument based on what we perceived in working with the developer based on the earlier council discussion about in lieu versus built affordable housing. That was the direction that we took the project and the planning commission disagreed. We have no skin in the game so to speak
Mayor, I'll give you my thoughts on this for what it's worth. I know we have an affordability issue in this city and when you think about it what's really happening is that you've got folks who are outside the city who are trying to move in because the housing cost for them is lower than where they are They're coming in with, they typically have higher wages than many of us do because they're working in LA or various well-paying jobs when they come out here.
And it is putting the squeeze on people who live here today. There are people who live here today who can't afford to live here. We're watching our children and our grandchildren move away because there's no opportunities here. And I don't really know how in the end to really bring down the price of a house. But what I do believe that we could do a better job of, and this is a conversation perhaps for a different meeting, we need to make it easier for companies to move here to put upward pressure on wages because the more companies you have willing to hire people, the more you have competition for the labor.
And if we can bring up wages in this community It makes housing more affordable because we're competing against folks who can outbid us. They're bidding up the rents, they're bidding up the housing prices. It's a desirable area. So in the long run I think that's what we need to do a better job of addressing and I think that involves fixing our permit system for one.
When you think about it, the price of housing is really supply and demand driven There's a lot of things that we do today that limit supply. For example, throughout the state you get the CEQA requirements which really slow down the whole process of bringing a house to market. Here we've adopted SOAR or Save Our Agricultural Resources. We've taken a lot of land off the market for housing because we wanted to preserve farmland but There's trade-offs here.
The consequence is that we have higher price housing because we have fewer opportunities to actually build housing for people, because the land is just not available. I'm having a challenging time figuring out which way I'd rather go on this, whether it makes more sense for the developer to build the six houses or for us to accept the aloof fee. I'm kind of inclined to be...I do believe that if you want more housing, you have to make it attractive for builders to build.
Nobody goes into business saying, I want to lose money. If you really want more housing, you have to create an environment where a builder would want to come here because the city itself can't be building all this housing. We don't have that expertise, we wouldn't do a good job of it. We'd have prevailing wage issues. There's no way we could build affordable houses if it's us so we got to rely on developers.
So given that I want to make it more friendly environment for somebody to actually build here, I'd be inclined to accept what The builder is proposing which is to pay the allu fee, which apparently staff would prefer as well. So if the developer wants that I'd be inclined to do that. I don't know how the rest of my colleagues here feel about that but that's what I would do. If
I could just make a comment. I am supportive of this item so long The developer provides the six inclusionary units for Oxnard residents that have been here for 12 months or longer. This will give, or allow moderate income earners in our city an opportunity to buy these six units and have generational wealth after 20 years potentially if they're given the opportunity to sell at that point or stay in there.
And also I appreciate the applicant Mentioning that he's open to the idea of also allowing Oxnard members of our community to have the first opportunity buying homes here in that track. So I am supportive of... Is that a motion? That is my motion, yes. Can you repeat it? Sure. My motion is that That we approve this item so long as the developer provides the six inclusionary units for Oxnard residents that have been here in our city for 12 months or longer.
And that the developer also allow Oxnard residents the opportunity to Thank you very much.
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I can see where we can restrict marketing to an area for 90 days. I don't know if we can do
what you're proposing. I don't believe we can require any of that. I think what we're asking of the applicant is they would voluntarily agree to this, but I want to be clear because I think what they agreed to was that for the first 90 days when they're ready to go to market, they will market only to Oxnard residents That's not the same as guaranteeing that at the end of that period, that it would go to Oxnard residents and we cannot require that.
So I just want to be clear on what I heard them say but I can tell you it's a far cry from anything else we can do in the free market so I think that is a lot more than anyone else gets
The marketing on the six inclusionary units, I want to be clear about that. This is for the six inclusionary units for 90 days marketing to the city residents.
Correct? Just okay.
That's what we're
supporting. Thank you. If I may, Mayor. It sounds like if you would like to memorialize that in your motion it sounds like and City Attorney's Office can help with this perhaps the language is around accepting the voluntary offer that the developer representative has made something along those lines. Mr. Rizzo has his mic on.
Yes we can do that so the motion would be the recommended action with the addition of the marketing for the first 90 days for the affordable units for Oxnard residents who have lived in the city for at least a year.
Thank you. Yeah, is that okay with the applicant? Yeah, okay. And Mayor just for
a point of clarification are we talking about staff's recommendation or the Planning Commissioners recommendation? Staffs?
It's the planning commission recommendation that I'm supportive of.
So I do have a question for how that is implemented because Who's going to monitor that someone has been a resident for 12 months? I get that you can restrict marketing to an area and maybe do some mailings to folks in Oxnard, but how do you enforce something like this 12-month requirement that is being proposed?
I think the owners can do that when they're screening potential buyers. When you do a real estate transaction There's all kinds of requirements. They can just add that as the owner of the property.
Okay. Sounds like he's agreeable to that, is that correct? Yeah.
What I would propose not to take any more time is that you can probably establish that through when on those six affordable units things like Providing six months of utility records in the person's name and address or another sort of documentation like that, that would be agreeable. We could probably work that out with the city but something of that nature would be again on those six units we could accept that. Thanks.
Wonderful thank you.
Mayor if I may I hate to throw a... First of all I am 100% supportive of the Planning Commission and asking the developer to build I'm a resident of the six units. So, I want to say that. I honestly believe in this area we have an opportunity to have Oxnardians actually be a part of a community that we would not get a chance to be part of. So with that being said and I hate to throw this out there but I think being a resident in Oxnard for a year is You know, if I was from L.A., I'd come live at the collection for a year and then buy one of these homes.
I would like to have the possibility of making maybe that time a little bit longer. I don't know if you're willing to change your motion. I just think that a year specifically now that we are advertising it, that we would like this...I mean, if it passes, We have a lot of people, people that live in Oxnard cannot afford that community. So a lot of these homes will probably be vacation homes you know so I would just like the opportunity to actually have Oxnards Thank you for that.
I would hesitate to make that requirement more than a year just because the compliance to track down like two years of utility records, three years of utility records. We probably want duplicate sources to make sure they just don't have an SCE bill and not another bill typed in address for an example if they were a landlord. That starts to get complicated in terms of compliance while I sympathize with the sentiment where you're going I just worry about how we could practically enforce that so I would like to keep it at a year
And, you know, coming from a different perspective, coming from an area where I continuously check documentation. It's really not that hard. We can get three years of taxes when we're going for loans. You know our taxes have our information. Our employers have our W-2s. There is numerous ways of getting verification for where do you live? So I really don't see that as an issue.
Okay the city can do it. Housing can do it. They're experts.
If your client is amenable to this, we will take care of that part of the certification for the six units. I need a second one. Please do. Please do. I understand.
How long of a period are we talking?
I would like to see three years. I would like to see three years.
36
months. 36
months. 36 months.
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Yeah, I think you're bringing that up. I'm certainly open to making that adjustment on my motion. I would appreciate it. Yep And this just we're just talking just the affordable
It's just for the affordable units council member
Okay, and I really I'll take this moment also really thank the applicant for His willingness to be open To our ask, without any strong resistance that's very kind of him and also the owners.
I'm back. Sorry for this drawn out back and forth, but we appreciate your collaboration. So we can do the three years as you've requested if the city is assuming responsibility for ensuring compliance with the residency restriction. We legally don't want to be the ones holding the bag on that. If our partners at the city are willing to do that, we can agree to
it. Thank you so much.
Absolutely. Ken, I'll adjust my motion as opposed to 12 months to 36 months? Any other questions or comments? I will second that one. We're ready. Wonderful.
So,
Council Member Stoddard,
go ahead. So it's a big scheme of things here. We're talking about... What was the amount? $1.4 million for a typical home, was it? Or is it 1.3? I forget what it was. But if you're talking about a $300,000 reduction, we're still talking about a million-dollar home. So
it doesn't really work that way.
Okay, how does it work? To
clarify when I give the estimated those are the initial sales prices so hovering at a little bit over $300,000 sales price for the family.
So the sales price is $300,000 as opposed to so it's not $300 discount correct it's a $300 house. Correct
The initial sales price, because it is based on the income. So we just did an estimate based on the rates and the income. So when looking at a three-bedroom unit right now at this moment, it's about $305,290 for bedroom $327,200. And that's as of right now. So the discount is higher. So if I may, it's based on income limits
Then we have to take the 30% plus utilities, plus HOA and we come up with a number. So there's a whole calculation that goes
into it. The calculation includes principal interest taxes, homeowner's insurance, HOA dues, maintenance and utilities. And that's how you come up with the initial sales price. And then you look at the household size and that's where you determine the income. The income level determines the sales price.
So I'm trying to understand staffs I'm going to start with the recommendation. We're talking about selling a house for $800,000 less than market or something like that? Potentially, yes. But staff would have preferred the in lieu fee which would have been instead of an 800,000 discount it's really equivalent Right.
Correct on our when we're looking at the recognition from the housing department, we're looking at this as far as how the impact number of units the number of families that we can assist. So when we're looking at potentially funding another development where It doesn't mean the entire development is going to be restricted. But for example, if I just give one example let's say Cyprus they're going to have a total of 90 units so it doesn't mean that all 90 units are going to be restricted but it's a larger number of units that we're making affordable and available to the families. So we're thinking on the larger impact with our funds that are available So for us, we obviously when we look at helping six families. So six families are important.
Home ownership is important. We're thinking okay, we could potentially make it a minimum of 85 units available for 85 families. Rents are pretty high right now and we do want families to become homeowners but we also want families to be able to have a safe place to live in so we're looking at balancing both needs in the community.
Thank you.
There are no other questions or comments. We're ready for the vote, Madam
Clerk. Mayor and council members if you can go ahead and cast your vote please. Thank you in this motion carries seven to zero thank you
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I'd also like to, Madam Clerk, I want to make a motion to extend past 10 o'clock. I'll second that motion. Thank you. If there are no public speakers, call for the vote.
Councilwoman Rodriguez? Yes. Thank you. Councilmember Starr? We're voting to go past 10 p.m.? Thank you everyone.
We'll
now move to the next item, this is the time and place set for a public hearing on Item M2
From the Public Works Department, subject in five-year capital improvement program CIP for fiscal year 2027 through 2031. The recommendation that the City Council provide input on the draft CIP and recommend that the City Council one, hold a public hearing to receive public testimony regarding the proposed 2027 through 2031 city of Oxnard five-year CIP Two, approve the existing carryover CIP projects and the proposed new funding as outlined in the staff report for category one projects.
Three, reaffirm that carry over CIP projects in category two. Four, approve the project prioritization lists in category three and four outlining the staff report adopted 2027 through 2031 City of Oxnard five-year CIP. In five, direct staff to finalize the 2027 through 2031 CIP and general fund measure amounts for category four projects once the city's fiscal year 2026-2027 operating budget has been completed.
As approved, CFP funding allows the Public Works and Transportation Committee on April 28th, 2026 recommended the item to be forwarded to the Council for discussion and review with changes made to the staff's recommended prioritization for 16 Category 4 and Category 5 projects. Michael Wolfe, Public Works Director is here to answer any questions staff may have.
We start with the City Clerk's certification of publication and written communications if any. Madam City Clerk?
Mayor and Council Members there was a legal notice published in Viva Newspaper on May 7th and the city clerk's office has received no written communications on this item thank you
Thank you, Madam Clerk. Do any council members have any ex parte communications or other disclosures regarding this matter to state for the record? Go ahead, Council Member Perlow.
I took the opportunity to walk inside the police parking lot. I don't know if that's considered but I did that. Yeah,
yeah, I don't consider it to be an ex parte conversation Members of the public were invited to sign up to speak on this item on the city's website. Any person who did not sign up may do so now by submitting a speaker card or following the instructions posted on the agenda for this meeting and at the city's website under Oxnard or City Meetings, Morgan Kessler City engineer posted a video presentation regarding this item and is available to answer any brief clarifying questions council members may have before we take public testimony on this item.
Yes, Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead.
I have a couple of questions. Seeing as this is a public hearing there's some very specific steps we have to take on I asked a question of the city attorney just now, just because there is a bit of a typo. Do we need to pause for that or for a second? Or are we good to move forward on this?
Well, would like to do some verification and just see what what is going on. So if you give me a couple minutes, I might have to go to a different link since I can't link in the chambers here. to test what you are talking about. Okay,
and if I may Mayor, I have everything electronic here versus the hard copy binders and while the video for this is posted on YouTube for the item just now when I went to bring up Video for this particular agenda item. I did see it went to a video for another agenda item for this evening and so, you know small issue there but because it's a public hearing. I just want to make sure that we're in the clear on this before we move forward on it.
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As we are awaiting clarification from our city attorney if it's okay will take a five-minute recess
I'm sorry. Maybe we could suspend the order of the agenda and move on to a different item and come back to it Okay, you can do that. Sorry. It's 940 in I'd like to move that we suspend the order of the agenda Well the next one even
all right so the mayor just stepped away for a second, so let's go ahead and
Yes, that's a motion for us to suspend the order of the agenda So we could continue conducting business while they look into that the next sequential
Okay, so would that be N2?
I believe yes.
Yes.
And there's a second.
So we have a motion by Councilwoman Rodriguez, a second by Councillor Perrello to move on to N2 for the time being Madam Clerk maybe take a vote for that. We can do a roll call.
Roll call — called by Gabriela Vignon
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and this motion carries six to zero thank you
okay thank you very much will we return to the public hearing in a little bit for the time being
let's move on to agenda item n2 and two the housing department subject first amendment to the oxford I need to recuse myself from this one. So on this item,
can we move on to
N3
for now? Just because if you can't speak on this...
Yes, I do need to recuse myself from N2. My apologies on that folks. Without objection, we're going to just go ahead and move on to N3 folks.
Yes
please.
So I had mentioned in my motion the next sequential item but were not able to so if I may make another motion to move onto item number N3. Second by Parello.
All right, a motion by Councilman Rodriguez and a second by Councilmember Parello. Can we do a roll call vote Madam
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion by Councilman Rodriguez and a second by Councilmember Parello. Can we do a roll call · 1 under review
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Councilwoman Rodriguez? Yes And this motion carries six to zero
Thank you all for that With that then we're going to go to item N3, Public Works Department subject 2nd Amendment to Agreement A-8281 with Kennedy Jenks Inc. for Construction Management Services for Budget Appropriations for the Oxnard Wastewater Treatment Plant Reliability Improvement Project PW20-102 recommendation that the City Council approve and authorize the Mayor to 1. Execute a second amendment to the Professional Services Agreement with Kennedy Jenks Inc., To increase the not to exceed amount from $4,514,536 to $5,703,885 and extend the term date to October 31st 2027 for additional construction management services for the Oxnard Wastewater Treatment Plant OWTP reliability improvement project C2201.
Two, authorize a project budget appropriation transfer in the amount of $1.5 million from the Wastewater OWTP Effluent Pump Station Improvements Project C-2235 within the Wastewater Operating Fund 611 to the Oxnard Waste Water Treatment Plant OWTP Reliability Improvement Project C2201 for continued professional construction management services as well as construction costs and engineering support services till the project is completed.
And three, authorize a project budget appropriation in the amount of $5,200,000 from the Wastewater Operating Fund 611 as well as the corresponding transfers in the Wastewater Capital Fund 612 to the Oxnard Waste Water Treatment Plant OWTP Reliability Improvement Project C2201 for continued professional construction management services as well as construction costs and engineering support services until the project is completed.
This item did not originate in committee. This is a capital improvement project specifically listed in the city's Capital Improvement Program budget, which was previously approved by the City Council. Contact is Michael Wolf, our Public Works Director. Do any council members have questions of staff besides repeating the recommendation? Okay, seeing and hearing no questions, Mr. Wolf, is there any information you'd like to volunteer at this point before we go to public speakers?
I
will say that this is, we've mentioned this project a couple times at Council. A very complex and large construction project, 54 plus million dollars on an active regional wastewater treatment plant that runs 24-7, 365. Sometimes you run into things that you don't expect underground from something that was built in the 50's and 60's. And so this is an opportunity for us to make sure Construction management services for the full length of the rest of the construction project. And we're doing a little bit of cleanup on the state revolving funding that we have, so we're making sure that the two projects that were identified for funding get the correct funding sources then when we're back filling that with operating budget
money. Okay thank you Mr. Wolfe. The mayor has returned so I'll turn it over to you Madam Clerk if we have any public speakers on this item?
Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem and Council Members we do not have any public speakers in person or virtually for this item. Thank you.
Okay just in case if there's anyone wishing to speak on Item N3 please come forward for a speaker card or if you're online please press star 9 to raise your hand I'll turn it back over the mayor
thank you We are on M3
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Mayor, if there's no speakers I would like to move the recommended action.
I'll second it. Thank you. Madam Clerk, call for the
vote. Mayor and council members if you can go ahead and cast your vote. Thank you and this motion carries 7-0 thank you. Are we going back to M2? Okay, thank you. And the motion carries seven to zero, thank you.
Thank you public works.
Let me just find it here.
The next item on the agenda is item And two, this is from the housing department. Subject first amendment to the Oxnard Navigation Center operation agreement with Mercy House for fiscal year 2025-26. Recommendation that the city council want to approve and authorize a mayor to execute the first amendment to agreement 32600011 between the city and Mercy House living centers otherwise referred to as Mercy House for the provision of Shelter and Navigation Center Operations to authorize the city manager to appropriate the use of permanent local housing allocation, BLHA funds and recognized revenue in the amount of $96,215 to increase the agreement amount for Agreement 326-00011 between the City and Mercy House from $3,355,407.75 to $3451,622.75 And three, authorize the city manager to appropriate and recognize revenue of $252,873.66 in PLHA funds and $12,838.64 in California state grant funds to cover the city's increased cost share under agreement A-8462 between the city and the County of Ventura for navigation center operations This item did not originate in committee, and Housing Director Brenda Lopez is here to answer any questions staff may have.
Go ahead Mayor Pro Tem.
Thank you mayor because this does affect an existing cost share agreement between the city and the county of Ventura just out of an abundance of caution due to potential remote interests I'm going to recuse myself from this item.
Thank you thank you Mayor Pro Tem. Do any council members have any questions of staff on on this item? If not, we will receive public comments. Speakers have three minutes to speak and Madam Clerk do we have any virtual speakers on this item?
Mayor and Council Members, we do not have any requests to speak in person or virtually for this item.
Thank you. We'll start with Helen. I
guess if there's no public comments, I do have a question. I'm just not clear. So Mercy House constructed this. There were delays. Why are we responsible? for Mercy House's construction delay costs. Why is that a burden that we should take on ourselves? Why isn't this Mercy House's issue, just how is this not a gift of public funds? I'm
Brenda Lopez, Housing Director. For clarification, Mercy House did not build the shelter and also this is like a twofold response in that our interest in getting the shelter built is that this is part of our encampment response So we did have at least close to 40 participants and a temporary shelter in the hotels, waiting for Casa de Carmen to be completed.
We did work a cost sharing agreement with the county, the county could only support us starting the moving into the new shelter. So in our case, it is in our best interest to move our clients into the permanent supported housing units. The funding sources, PHLA and the state grant, we applied for those grants with the understanding that we needed a secure funding to support us to be able to accomplish housing these individuals.
Thank
you. Any other questions or comments? I'll second.
I guess the only comment I'll make is that I'm just not a big fan of the whole Mercy House operation as it is, and I'll be voting no on this.
Thank you. Madam Clerk, call for the
vote? Mayor and Council Members if you can go ahead and cast your votes Thank you, and this motion carries five in favor one against And that was councilmember star voting no on this item. Thank you. Thank you
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Thank You mr.. Fisher did you have an update on?
So there are slight technical difficulties with the links for the CIP public hearing item. However, we are legally required to go forward with the CIP item the way it has been noticed. So I believe that you should move forward with your public hearing on that item.
Okay thank you.
So to be clear the Measure M video identifier is on the agenda properly. It's just the way the link works is not directing it correctly. So one can still find that video, and in fact there's multiple links in the staff report that get you to that meeting, that video.
Okay, thank you for the clarification then we will proceed where we left off. Members of the public were invited to sign up to speak on this item On the city's website, and a person who did not sign up may do so now by submitting a speaker card or following the instructions posted on the agenda for this meeting. And at the city's website, Oxnard.org, City Meetings.
Morgan Kessler, City Engineer, posted a video presentation regarding this item and is available to answer any brief clarifying questions Council Members may have before we take public testimony on this item. The council will deliberate after the public hearing has been closed Do any council members have any questions at this time? Go ahead, Mayor Pro Tem.
All right, back to my original question. So thank you both for all the information on this. I know it was an extended discussion at the Public Works Committee. I'm wondering just for the benefit of the public because this is a public hearing and anyone who didn't get to view the video on their own time ahead of this meeting can we just have a brief explanation? I know there's a few moving parts here on the different categories what's in front of us and just a little bit of an overview of the recommendation that is in front of us and what we're requesting direction on tonight.
Yeah, good evening Mayor and Council Members Michael Wolff Director of Public Works this is our two-year capital improvement program budget recommendation or project recommendation it's a culmination of a lot of input from different departments outside of public works and then internal to public works These are important projects, important and urgent projects that are for service improvements or repairs or additional services for a lot of different infrastructure throughout the city.
And for those who remember we are recommending a very similar process that we did two years ago so we do have a lot of existing capital projects that have been through some approval process in the past council and those continue to go forward and staff is recommending that they continue to go forward. I'll pause and go a different direction just for a second, capital projects are not fiscal year projects. Capital projects are multi-year projects from start to finish. Some are a little quicker than others.
Some have other restrictions like funding sources that you can't do certain things unless you meet certain requirements I think that there sometimes is a misunderstanding that capital projects are a fiscal year project, but they could be just the planning and designing alone could be multiple fiscal years. So because of that we do have capital projects on what we call Category 1 as noted in the staff report our existing projects that have already been approved by council already have previously appropriate funding Staff has recommended to continue to move forward on those projects to whatever the next phase may be or phase is, if we can get through them.
And then they may have some additional funding requests in the next two years so we are recommending a two-year look forward in terms of budgeting and so those projects may have some additional fundings in the two year window And but those funds are non-general fund, non-MeasurO. So they I think I've mentioned this to council members before we call it they come with their own funding and they bring their own money to the table used for example you could think of grant funded projects or utility projects things like that or development impact fee projects that aren't competing against general fund or Measuro dollars.
And then what we've done is we've taken a look at We have 255 I think is the total number of projects that we are looking at, which when you do a little research on the internet you'll find out from General Law City of this size that's on the high side. So we're trying to juggle all the needs and requests with the resources we have, not just the funding resources but staffing resources that the city engineer has available to him.
There are going to be projects that we're recommending that may not, they're important projects and projects that have true justification to do. But we have to make a decision about resource allocation so there may not be as urgent as other projects. So category two projects or projects that are again important, have good justification but just don't rise to the level from an urgency standpoint whether that's from health and life safety, whether that's from funding Funding source deadline whether that's from something is broken and has to be immediately repaired or if we don't do this first, we can't do something second. Those are the kinds of things that we look at from an urgency standpoint. So category two projects are existing projects already approved by council not going to be moved forward as fast.
So I like the city engineer's analogy on this, it's as if you're cooking dinner, you have something simmering in the back, your sauce, what did you say? A reduction of something? I'm gonna cook. So he has a nice little analogy where you're doing some reduction of sauce in the back and that's on a low simmer while you're cooking on the front. And so category two projects are on the low simmer And staff has assigned those projects, but they just don't have the urgency as category one projects. And then we have quite a bit of requested new projects and that's category three.
And so those category three projects again are projects new. So this council or prior councils have not authorized staff to work on them yet. So the request tonight is for to get the authorization to work on those projects and to fund those projects identified whether we're funding just the design, just the planning or maybe the entirety of the project we're funding it.
These are requests from outside the department so I think there's some police and fire projects in there. I think there's a lot library projects in there but there's also public works projects but these are projects that come Again, with their own funding sources. So again, think utility projects, think grant-funded projects, think development impact fee projects. They're not competing for general fund or Measure O but we believe just based on the way that we, Public Works evaluates urgency of projects rise to a higher level than Category 2.
So staff's recommendation is these projects be introduced and included in the CIP project, and have the urgency consistent with category one projects that are just new projects. Where I believe if we repeat what we did two years ago, the biggest discussion will be category four projects. And so category four projects are either new or existing projects that are requesting general fund or measure O dollars in the next two years.
So categories one, two and three when you look at the list they're not in any particular priority order. They're an alphanumeric order so they're just listed alphanumerically so they all have the same level of prioritization within their own group if you will. Category four projects are specifically identified in a priority order based on a couple things. If the projects came from outside the department we asked the department to prioritize their projects that they submitted multiple projects For evaluation, then we internally in terms of public works take those those lists and those projects and we say okay let's apply our lens to this health and life safety.
Is it something broken needs to be fixed is it something that could cause additional damage if it's not fixed? And then maybe if it's additional service or expanded services, it may fall into a different urgency category. So we look at from that perspective and so we made our recommendation to the committee based on those lenses of here is how we recommend ranking those projects that are competing for the same dollars which is again general fund and measure O dollars.
What the committee did is they looked at that list and said, we actually think there are 16 projects lower on the list that are more urgent than what was previously city staff number three project. So we took 16 projects and we moved them above a what was number three on staff's recommendation. And that was the recommendation from the committee. Now those 16 projects Were not reordered. They were they were put above number three staffs recommendation with three in the same order that they were presented to the committee so we did not reprioritize those after the committee gave us that recommendation And then we have category five projects, which are unfunded projects. If you actually look in the back of our current CIP book, we have several pages of projects again that are important.
They have justification. They just don't rise to the level of recommending funding because they're not as urgent and so there are category five projects that are what we consider unfunded projects. Those are the five categories that request My job tonight from staff is to walk through the recommendations as listed in the staff report, which is really confirming Category 1 projects or urgent projects. Confirming Category 2 projects are still active and want to be worked on but maybe at a slower pace.
Approve Category 3 new projects with the funding sources and the fundings being identified. And then provide direction to staff about the prioritization for Category 4. I'll add to this now the conversation of funding, the money itself. Because the way we're presenting information is more about the prioritization of projects. That's how we are addressing it tonight because what's missing, the piece that's missing from this conversation is the other priorities that the City Council has to consider from an operating budget standpoint.
So when we look at it from a citywide perspective you have All these different needs, whether they're operating needs or capital needs that need to be prioritized can't do everything because of the funding limitations that we have. So what we're asking tonight is a prioritization conversation with the understanding that when the operating budget comes next month I think it is June 1st so that sounds right then there'll be an identification supplemental requests or funding requests in the operating budget that could be folded into the discussion about capital projects. Now, I think it's fair to sort of give a perspective on where this could land tonight and so I did talk to the finance director and he mentioned that based on the way the draft budget is coming out and the way this current fiscal year is proposing to end there's about $16 million available to do capital projects.
So, when you look at category four, the actual spreadsheets, you'll see a running total there on the right and that running total is in two different funding sources because we're asking for projects either Measure O or general fund depending on their eligibility for those different funding sources and or the consistency with prior fundings for those projects. The way that category four spreadsheet is set up is if Start to scroll down those fiscal year 26, 27 general fund measure columns. You'll be able to get to a total of $16 million and see where that line is drawn on the list of which projects you can get to based on the current order that is today.
Now I will say that respectfully, I appreciate the committee's input in terms of projects I do believe that our staff recommendation for prioritization of projects is still our staff recommendation for priority projects, but respectfully taking in the committee's recommendation we did move those projects and category four around per the committee's request. I think that gives enough information to start.
Yes thank you Mr. Wolf much appreciated. Thank You Mayor.
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So mayor I will have some questions but actually I'd like to hear from the speakers first And then ask the questions.
Thank you, I'll now open up the public testimony portion of the public hearing. Speakers have three minutes to speak on this item. We have six people that signed up to speak. Madam Clerk are there any speakers joining us virtually?
Mayor and council members we do not have any public speakers joining us virtually for this item thank you.
Thank you. Anyone wishing to speak on the public hearing, please come forward and fill out a speaker card or if you are joining us virtually, please press star 9 to raise your hand. I will call up Helen followed by Olivia Benavides
Thank you. I'll use my teacher voice, how's that? My name is Helen Matter and I'm here to speak and to support an item in the CIP. I'm not sure which category and I am not sure which number we fall into but I live on the corner of Vineyard and H Street and since between January 2025 and January 2026, we've had 19 accidents And that came from our police department and our B coordinator.
And since that time, we've had at least three more. The latest one was Friday afternoon about five o'clock I believe. So I would like the light changed and the traffic pattern change there. And that's what I'm supporting in the CIP. I believe that was put in there recently We've been complaining about this intersection now for about three to four years. And it just keeps getting worse. I don't know if it's a behavior issue on people driving on Vineyard and H, or if it's just the traffic pattern. But I would like a new light there with a new left turn lane, at least something to make it a little more safe for those of us who live there and drive that road every single day. Thank you.
Olivia Benavides. Followed by Debra Arevalo.
Good evening, Mayor and Councilmembers. My name is Olivia Benavides. I live in the South Bank neighborhood and I would... Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm ready to go to sleep. My name is Olivia Benavides and thank you for allowing me this time to speak I live in the South Bank neighborhood, and I was hoping that I could pass my three minutes that I'm allotted on to Deb Arvalo who heads up our Neighborhood Council. And she'll take over from there. Is that okay to do?
That's fine. Go ahead. Go ahead Ms. Arvalo. Bless you.
Sorry, I'm a lot shorter than Olivia. Good evening, Mayor McArthur, Mayor Pro Tem Duran and Council Members. Thank you for this opportunity to speak. My name is Deborah Arvalo and I reside in the South Bank neighbourhood and I'm the South Bank Neighbourhood Chair. I am speaking on behalf of the South Bank neighbourhood but not just my neighbourhood. We've lost many of the members back here. We lost about 20 people from our adjoining neighbourhoods but we had Sierra Linda here. We also had South Bank here and in addition, we have our Orchard Park Chair here. So this is an intersection that has posed serious and escalating risks to our drivers, pedestrians and families since 2023.
Every single day 26,502 people drive that daily. And I mean daily not just once twice but daily so there's a risk there And the South Bank Neighborhood Council submitted a formal email request in January 2023. As we stated before, as Helen mentioned this has been an ongoing issue on our South Bank neighborhood meetings. We had sent this email to senior engineer from the Public Works, Kakeb Saeed and we documented our concerns. So at that time we thought we'd strategize and go ahead and review things. such as the daily traffic usage, accident reports and that was used through the Crossroads app.
And that was provided by our officer. Traffic in this area has increasingly and substantially due to the continued growth and activity surrounding the Wagon Wheel area and that development and the collection. So with that being said, the intersection has become increasingly dangerous and congested as a direct result. It is also a critical artery for the South Bank neighborhood. It's only one of two exits for us, that's it. We have South Bank and Ventura Road or North H and Vineyard.
So with that in January 2026 the South Bank Neighborhood Council met With the public works, Morgan Kessler. Thank you, Michael Wolfe thank you and we had a PowerPoint presentation by their senior engineer, Kaqib Saeed, and it was discussed, and we asked for potential solutions, and it was arrived that it was going to be a protected left hand turn at any necessary Development that needs to be done to allow that to happen. That intersection is being considered under the Capital Improvement Program and we're here today to request that it be a priority, and we also submitted that information to Public Works. That's why we're here. We want a change on the North HN Vineyard signal.
So the following is undeniable. This is data, so first I'm going to go over the speeding citations. So there's been an increasingly sharply increase for the citations in 2023, 198. In 2024, 209 and 2025, 375 and that's nearly a 90% increase. Again, I want to point out to you that this road is heavily used. So with those citations the true number could be considerably higher because we just started January correct? Reported collisions follow the same alarming trajectory in 2023 six collisions 2024 12 2025, 2016 and 2026 just of January for collisions. And those are the only ones that are reported to the OPD. So say there's an accident like Helen has a front view from her window if they don't call the police it's not recorded so I want that noted I would like This signal will prevent future accidents, reduce speeding, restore the safety and accessibility that our neighborhood needs.
The safety of our residents is not negotiable at this time. We have to worry about our ins and outs of our neighborhood. The South Bank Committee appreciates your time, your attention, and your continued service to the City of Oxnard. And before I end, I want to acknowledge somebody who is no longer working for the City of Oxnard but who was a professional and caring employee. Who is Miguel Guillen, who attended every single South Bank meeting and listened to all our concerns. He now has moved on to the county but I wanted to acknowledge what a wonderful person he was as a liaison.
So if you could continue to research and possibly prioritize this signal, we the South Bank Neighbors, the Orchard Lane Park, the Sierra Linda. We'd appreciate your vote on this. Thank you.
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Thank you Debra. Thank you very much. Mr. Larry Stein? Followed by Ellis Carter.
Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Before I speak, I request that the mayor ask for a vote to see if you want to continue the meeting past 10 o'clock.
We did.
I didn't hear that motion. Yeah we did about an hour ago. Okay so concern I have is that this CIP project which i've studied to a certain extent but not fully should be reconsidered The city has not considered the future funding decreases taking place with a drop of measure or expiring in two years. The city manager seems to assume, and we know what assume means that sales tax will be continued but there's no guarantee that sales tax will continue. We also have to consider the fact that revenues will be dropping.
We have sales tax dropping because of the sharing of Amazon revenues The decrease in revenues from Costco. This is called inflation. We expect inflation to be going up. So these figures I don't think are considering inflationary costs as they go down the line. You know, gasoline has gone up quite a bit recently and probably will drop but again the fact that inflation It's not been considered in these budgets. I think that these budgets, I suggest that this item returned back to City Council two weeks with adjusted figures to adjust for the fact that sales tax revenue will be decreasing, that costs will be going up and these really aren't considered in the CIP projects.
Now the other items of concern are the fact that we have neighborhoods or we had a review of citizens on priority based budgeting but it seems to be ignored through these capital improvement projects In category 4, for example, number 1 and number 2 have circulation for neighbourhood streets. The fact that neighbourhood streets and arterial roads are getting a certain amount of consideration on item 4 but they include sales tax revenue but the number one priority in the survey the city issued on the second survey was streets That was the number one priority. The other, the number two priority had to do with traffic or had to do with homelessness I believe. But anyways those items have not been addressed. The concerns that are sent out on surveys for how does citizens want to prioritize things has been ignored and again the City Council wants to ignore the city's citizenship, the very people who represent perhaps The consideration that the citizens have told you about should be considered as far as priority setting.
Now, we have a city council member who said that our priorities can be changed every other year. I mean, if City Council don't want to do this it's our choice to change things but at what point are there commitments by the city? Thank you.
Thank You Mr. Stein. Mr. Ellis Carter followed by Abel Magana
Evening Mayor and Council, I just want to get Ellis Carter South Bank. I just want to give perspective on that intersection that we're all talking about it is a notorious area for its collisions and as motorcyclists, I can sit there at the light on H Street And it's a slight slope if you're coming east or westbound on Vineyard. And what's happening is, you have a lot of people speeding that are not from that neighborhood and you got poor us who live there making a left so I'm definitely for that being a protected lefthand turn because that's the problem right there but there's more things going on with that and it's been happening for years Because that's right near the Santa Clara Cemetery. So people are going down there, it's a dip. A lot of that deals with angles and stuff and we've talked to the engineers and they see the problems but this is why I think it needs to be a priority because that should be taken delicately and looked at over and over again because you can fix things but you still can see people not from this area flying through there because there's a curve there and people just don't pay attention Because we have kids walking in this section, we have the cemeteries, we have the buses.
And there's cars parked all along that corridor right there. So there's a lot of areas that are like gray and things can happen so I'm just asking that we make that a priority to think about. Thank you.
Duly noted thank you. Thank You Mr. Carter. Mr. Magana?
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Good evening, Mr. Mayor and members of the Council. My name is Abel McGagney. I'm the Executive Director for the Downtown Oxnard Improvement Association. I just want to start first by acknowledging staff and all the work that went into putting together this pretty extensive capital improvement program. Even just going through just the staff report was a lot but I can see by the size of the binder that the Public Works Directors Okay, there's a lot of competing projects competing for priorities.
And I'm happy that there are actually three that are in that first category for their directly impact the downtown and in larger sense, the city of Oxnard, of course, the entire community but the Carnegie seismic retrofit study The 4th Street Corridor improvements, and I know that's well funded through some grants that staff was able to obtain. And also the Transit Center improvements over at the Transit Center in terms of lighting cameras landscaping all of that too it all contributes to the image of downtown and the safety of downtown which is the other part that I wanted to bring up was Category 4, and I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly. So I apologize if I got the priorities wrong but I see that it says staff recommendation to move to category 2 less urgent with measure O and bond fundings and the item I'm referring to is the citywide streetlight asset management program.
I think that's crucially important and it does need to be a high priority and in particular along Oxnard Boulevard we From 2nd Street, from more of the 3rd Street Bridge all the way to like 9th which are the main gateways into the downtown. Recently well we historically had like 18 light poles in the median and over time they were like mid-century so they corroded along some fell down on their own somewhere hit by cars and the rest were just taken out just recently you know it was just uh their time to go they were non-functional But now it's very, very dark along Oxnard Boulevard. If you go from 4th to 9th in particular, you have only COBRA lights along the intersections just at the intersections. So you have whole strips of street, of sidewalk where it's very, very dark and in particular now also too because you have large ficus trees with massive canopies And those even affect, you know, the ambient light just from, you know, from the moonlight or whatever too.
So it's just amplified and I'd go back to like things like the Oxnard Corridor Transportation Improvement Plan. It prioritized, you know, like pedestrian safety and specifically called out lighting so I would just ask that that be raised.
Thank you Mr. Magana, thank you. Madam Clerk, are there any other public speakers?
Mayor and Council Members that concludes our speakers in person and virtually for this item. Thank you.
I'm not an engineer, so bear with me here. I guess I first have a baseline question and then I'll let you know what my thought process is as a result of this. So what is the difference in the cost of maintaining a street based on optimal maintenance program versus doing no street maintenance? Let's say later rebuilding the street from scratch. What's the magnitude of difference
So we've had this discussion a little bit in the past. Not to get too technical, we do have a pavement condition index curve that is exponential in its relationship and not linear. But the general rule of thumb is when we're talking about preventative maintenance versus corrective maintenance I think really that's the meat of the question here. In preventative maintenance, when you're spending a dollar per unit, whatever that may be, square yards or foot, however we want to measure it. For every dollar you're spending in preventative maintenance, it could be six to ten times more when it's corrective maintenance on the same street. So you see a lot of savings. We can extend those dollars, extend the dollars that we have and limited resources that we have and try to keep good streets good.
As much preventative maintenance as possible. Now we have a lot of, I think we got close to $200 million worth of deferred maintenance on city streets based on the latest report that we get annually and so we still have to do corrective maintenance right now Rule of thumb is that for every project that we put out, we try to do at least 25% preventative maintenance so that we can continue to apply dollars that allow us to extend the useful life of that project at a much more inexpensive cost. So it's about $1 versus $6-$10 is sort of the rule of thumb that we use. That's a big difference.
And if you're getting into actual removal and replacement, it could be even significantly higher.
So kind of as a follow-up question, so I'm looking at staff's recommendations and it looks like you have priority number 3A which is the arterial street resurfacing. And of course the Public Works and Transportation Commission has pushed this way down the list. I guess what I'd like to know is if we didn't do project 3A, the arterial street resurfacing, if we were to delay that for two years let's say, how much extra would it cost us versus us doing it now when the roads are in a better condition?
So it's difficult to answer in dollars. But again, it's the ratio that we know, right? So the longer we wait to repair roads, the more costly it is. So I can't give you an actual dollar figure but for every Every year or every time we wait and the PCI goes down, it costs us more money to maintain that street. And so that relationship is that ratio of relationships meaning for every $1 of corrective preventative maintenance at six to ten dollars a preventative now.
Sorry, corrective. The curve is not It doesn't fall off the cliff. There is sort of, it's asymptotic and it's in its relationship to zero. And so when you get to a certain point like maybe around 55 to 50 PCI, you can see a very sharp curve and then it starts to flatten back out. And so there is a point in time where it's almost got three lives if you will. You have new life to about a PCI of 60 It's a quick degradation.
So we have two alley projects. We have so the way that we ranked our projects, the way staff ranked our projects that we ranked the neighborhood paving number one, we rank the neighborhood alleys number We rank the arterial number three, and we ranked the relatively new advanced alley maintenance project number four. So that's different apart from the citywide alley once the city wide alley one is going to mostly be replacing it with concrete.
Sometimes we replace it with a new asphalt. But the Advanced Alley Maintenance Project, if you remember is that next step in between a concrete repair and doing pothole repairs. It's to extend the useful life of those alleys five to seven years so that they can rise up on the level of priority list for concrete.
So here's kind of my thought process on this. I recognize that we've got lots of things that we want to do And we can't afford to do all of them. So where I put my priority in terms of spending is, what can I spend today where if I don't spend it today, it's a lot more in the next year or two or three or four? Because if I can focus the spending on where we get kind of like the biggest bang for the buck, if you will, That's going to make it so that we have more money available in the long run for all these other projects we want to do.
If we just focus on stuff that, you know, we kind of like, we'd love to do this now and they're all important but if we do those now that means that we've got to sacrifice equivalent projects even bigger perhaps dollar figures in the next few years down the road. So I'm kind of inclined to go with what staff is recommending because of at least looking from that financial lens.
And if I can kind of bring a, I don't know, analogy story comparison here, I don't know how many of you are familiar with the Stanford Marshmallow Experiment? This was something that's done in the 1970s where what they did is they took kids, they put them into a room by themselves and they said all right we're gonna give you a marshmallow But if you can hold off for 15 minutes, you're going to get two marshmallows.
And what they discovered was that they did a long-term study of these kids later on and they discovered that the kids that were able to defer gratification for 15 minutes to get that second marshmallow, they had a more successful life. They made those sorts of decisions financially prudent and otherwise. So when I think about what we're doing here, I'm thinking about the Stanford Marshmallow Experiment. Are we saying we want our marshmallow right now?
Are we willing to make that sacrifice today to do what really gives us the biggest bang for the buck so that we can get more marshmallows down the road So I know it's kind of a strange analogy here, but it's the best one I could come up with. But based on that, I think is the right and prudent decision to make maybe not the most popular, but the most right and prudent decision to make is to invest in those items where we are dramatically reducing our future expenses because otherwise we're creating a problem for you know The next council, or even the council two years from now, three years from now, four years from now.
So based on that I guess when the time comes and it's appropriate to do so, I'd actually like to make the motion to adopt staff's recommendation to move these category 4 items to category 1 I guess it is and I guess some to category 2 That I would, I prefer staff's priorities not because I don't think that these other things aren't great. We all want everything but I want more things over the long haul so I'm willing to do this today so I can have more tomorrow.
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marshmallows. Go ahead.
Just reviewing the information that was presented like in briefings and also The public works, the commission that discussed this. I was also leaning or I am, I'm not sure where I'm leaning but I recognize that there's been a lot of thought put into you know just trying to categorize things and even like the system that's being presented. I was also leaning towards staff recommendation however I would like to give the opportunity to some of the committee members that were there without hashing out everything But just moving the 16 projects, I feel that even though there was a lot of thought into like the fourth. And trust me, there's several projects that I'm very interested in. I think it's really important that we consider why they were so inclined to move some of these projects up because I do think There's a big picture for us to consider as city.
And none of these priorities are lesser than because we need it all, right? And my concern is that two years from now, one, we're going to be losing resources and we will not be having the same level of income even. So even if we have delayed gratification, we may not even have the option because then it's not going to be tightening your belt or prioritizing what would be nice to have It's like we can't even afford to keep. So I just wanted to invite my colleagues who did have those conversations, to just share because I am inclined to go with the original recommendation that was proposed by staff.
Thank you. Any other comments or questions? Go ahead Council Member Forlano.
I don't often agree with Mr. Starr, but on this particular thing the delayed gratification is important because looking down the road in the past when this has come up and we've had the five-year priorities in my mind the city has done a very good job of, and a lot of people don't like me saying that, the city's done a very good job of tackling the bad things and working on them and we can't stop specific projects midstream it's insanity.
I will use one example I mentioned that I walked in the police parking lot. I know the police parking lot stepped up a lot, but it's $2 million and I see there are six districts here. I see every district had a resident complain about something in their district where they came from, a street or an alley. And I would rather spend that $2 million spread throughout there, and I know if you spread it over six districts, it doesn't go very far. But the aspect of paving the police parking lot, I'm looking at It's not the wisest move, and I'll explain it.
There is a problem with flooding in the police parking lot. There is a possibility of creating a drainage out of the police parking lot to take care of that. The pavement is in bad shape. There are no potholes but the police parking lot is a private parking lot fence not open to the public. The vehicles that use that police parking lot are city vehicles I think that if people need to, they can go through the parking lot without tearing up the car. If they have to leave fast, they do. But the bigger issue is the response times to incidents where they're called over good streets versus streets that need work are tremendous, a tremendous increase. And when, you know it comes to the parking lot floods once in a while. I know they say with El Nino we're going to have a hell of a thing here but if the parking lot floods once in a while and people get their shoes wet there will come a time when the officers are out on the road and they're in a neighborhood they're gonna get their shoes wet there.
It's part of the job. I totally agree with staff. I'm not smart enough to second-guess staff, but I am smart enough to understand they've been doing a heck of a job. There are certain things that everybody wants. I also want and there were certain things that cause you to want to pull your hair out. We didn't have a high priority but a quarter million dollars for the Cowboys goalposts. I was like thank God that's not a high priority I know they bring in a lot of money, but the streets are a big thing. And not taking care of your big main expensive assets...
My first interaction with Mr. Starr was at the sewer plant and the sewer plant is a classic example The city did not take care of their big, expensive, extremely important assets. And I think staff's recommendations is the way to go. I'm open to hearing... Thank
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you. Go ahead, Mayor Pro Tem. I think you had your hand up.
Thank you and I appreciate the comments and what Councilwoman Rodriguez mentioned. I am happy to speak to that. Going back to my original comments from the committee, I believe that all of the street items should remain one through four. I know we went back and forth a little bit about arterial, and I asked about the degradation as we talked about tonight. I believe those should stay priority within category 4 and then we move them as recommended by staff as priority dictates beyond that When we look at the other items on here, I agree with what the Councilwoman said. There's no things here that are any more important or less important than the others. They're all important items.
I think they just have a different level of urgency or different level of impact that we may see but that being said my You know my thoughts are that we do the. Place the street related items back in category 4 to where they were, but then I would also like to continue to advocate for the restrooms that we had talked about at committee when we talk about delayed gratification some of these restaurants have been delayed for those residents for decades And I don't know how much longer you want them to delay that.
And so, that to me would be a priority in category for the particular restroom items that are there and this one is probably going be open to discussion for my colleagues, too. But this is for Campus Park Phase 3 where compared to where we were with funding of Campus Park several years ago, we have the opportunity to have this be a priority within Category 4 as well to have additional amenities come in.
The bid that we received from the contractor who's going to be doing the work that we just awarded at the previous meeting It came in lower than was anticipated by staff that allowed additional things that were going to happen later in phases to be done sooner. And as was mentioned earlier, we don't know where we're going to be for the broader economy is a city going into the next decade if we have the ability at this current projected cost For campus park phase 3, which is currently 5A previously 8A on category 4.
I would advocate for us to go ahead and put that ribbon on that project in any way we can or get close to putting the ribbon on this may be one of the times that we can do that that we may not be able Thank
you for that clarification. That's why it's on that last sheet of Category 4. All right, anyhow those are kind of my big things there all the other things we talked about the seismic study for the PAC
I'm open to hearing more about that. That is important to me as well, and I referenced you Council Member Perrello when we had that conversation at committee. Just knowing that that building is at least going to have The assessment it needs and work that's going to need to be done to get it to be safe, at least seismically. And the ADA upgrades that we're gonna be on the hook for, it is what it is. We can't just keep our head in the sand on that but open a conversation about it.
The other conversation we had was around generators and that is an important need for this campus and for the police department should we have a major natural disaster or some issue where the power is going to be down for any extended period of time. Those generators are no longer CARB compliant, they are functional as we determined during the committee meeting and so we have one of a couple paths but the two very apparent paths are we prioritize them and replace them so that they are now compliant or we wait to do that, we delay our gratification on that and if they are needed in an event emergency may have to answer to the Air Resources Board, but they are functional.
And if we get a fine for that, okay, we get a fine for it, but they do work as intended, but they do no longer meet air quality standards. Is that correct? Mr. Wolf?
That's correct. The one at Sturgis, which is also the secondary EOC, so it has another importance too. They have evidence inside I'd be willing to bet that nobody from the air quality committee is listening tonight. So I would certainly make that same recommendation to the Council for emergency purposes. If we actually had to use surges for the secondary EOC, I'm willing to stand in front of here and take the heat for getting a fine from the
Air Quality District. Thank you for that. And the last thing I'll say about the generators folks, I asked this question of the Public Works Director at the meeting but These particular units, there are no retrofits we can do or modifications we can do that would bring it into compliance. Is that correct? For CARB purposes? That's correct. Okay just so we're clear on that. There's no cheap way out of this one aside from delayed gratification on the generators
Right, so for purposes of generators if it's going to be hard install we actually have to get an authorization to construct permit first and then we have to get a permit to operate as well. So it's this whole process to boot hard install generators at fixed facilities.
Okay all right thank you those are my comments mayor thank you.
Yes yes thank you and in regards to you know at the committee meeting The way I looked at this the CIP and the way I have always looked at the CIP is Yes, I want the roads. I appreciate staff's recommendation But my biggest concern is the health and safety of the people that we serve So some of the items that were within the CIP one of the things was Fire station had a garage door that was malfunctioning so can we imagine?
Getting a 911 call and the fire department not being able to leave the station because a garage door failed, to me that is health and safety. If that was me calling 9-1-1 I'd be very upset especially if it comes to life. So those were some of the criterias that when I looked at CIP I took into consideration The paving and the alleys, it is extremely important. And I will agree with staff that that is something that we should continue to maintain. And I know we're not talking about budgetary but I would propose when we do talk about budget, that we allocate certain amount of funds every year and continue to increase those funds just for that purpose, but also allow us to do things that are going to make sure that we are taking care of the rest of the city.
I'm big on lighting, I'm big on our first responders getting what they need. So I would like to...I know this is our wish list where we don't have any monies tied to it and I would agree Priority should be some streets, but I'd like to put an annual cap on that with an increase to move forward. That way staff understands specifically what the workload would be like on a yearly basis and understanding that cost goes up every year. Again, I looked at staff's recommendation as far as what they're recommending. I don't have a problem with that. We will have to debate what gets funding And what doesn't get funding at a later meeting.
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Thank you. Council Member Starr, go ahead.
So early I heard that because we may have less resources in the future that we ought to acquire some things here that maybe are in a different priority than staff. And I would argue that if that's true it's actually the exact opposite you want to do If you think resources are going to be thinner in the future, you want to absolutely focus on those expenses that will give you the biggest bang for your buck. Because otherwise, you're not gonna be able to afford anything in a few years because you've used up your resources already.
I think that there's gonna be delayed gratification somewhere because we can't do everything but I guess I'm still back to my marshmallow analogy. I want to have more marshmallows tomorrow rather than fewer marshmallows today. So if it's appropriate at this time, what I'd like to do is because I think I got support from at least a couple of people on this. I'd like to move that we adopt the recommendation with the exception that we substitute staff's priority listing to what the PWTC's recommendation priority listing is. That's my motion.
I'm wondering if somebody will second that?
Thank you, is there a second?
Can you repeat the motion again? You want to adopt the staff recommendation. Which of the lines? Staff's recommendation
or the Public Works Committee recommendation? I want to adopt the staff recommendation priority column. So the column that they've recommended, the order, that's what I'd want I'm trying to in this case support a staff decision over a committee
Just a quick item here, just for clarification. I know there's still members of the public here. A few of them who were here for the H Street and Vineyard discussion. Can we just clarify for folks that landed on Category 3? And where that sits based on the staff's recommendation what the motion is here?
Yeah,
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thinking about marshmallows. So it is a Category 3 project. That is Vineyard and 8th Street. We did have a long conversation with the neighborhood, long and continuous conversations with the neighborhood about that intersection. We have done some preliminary analysis that looks like it's going to meet the warrants required to do protective lifts. As you can imagine, that's not a very simple process.
As you look at Category 3 project number 27, it's $1.5 million of development impact fees that we're recommending for that project. So we are recommending it to be a higher priority than Category 2 projects and then basically get staff resources to move forward to finish the analysis and then go into design and then construction.
Okay thank you for that. And in addition to that there are also other considerations for the Vineyard Corridor between H Street and Oxnard Boulevard as well I know some of the folks who left, we've had conversations about that corridor as well as residents who are not here tonight. As far as traffic calming measures, the design and structure of the medians and a number of other items there. So I don't know if there's just a little bit of time to discuss that portion of it as well.
Yeah, the city engineer was pointing out that we do have numbers 9 and 10 on Category 3. 27 is the actual intersection, but 9 and 10 are the medians, the evaluation of other improvements in that area along that corridor for potential improvements. Speed reduction, traffic calming, those kinds of activities that we would potentially be able to do through those projects.
Great thank you very much and I don't know if my colleagues recall but several months ago a resident who lives right there on the corridor The eastbound side of Vineyard sent us a number of slides and photos of all of the collisions that have happened there, typically from speeding it appears especially with the types of collisions that are occurring. But you can see the number of parked cars that are destroyed absolutely totaled by the collision but also private property where there's fencing and brickwork that is in front of each of those condos that has been destroyed again and again and again And so when it comes to individuals' decisions to not go 40 miles an hour there, and I have it memorized. It's 40 miles an hour there.
This is what we end up with. So anything we can do from an engineering side of course to work on that grate but the enforcement of the education side are still two big pieces of that equation. And I keep saying it but At some point, the state of California is going to look at speed cameras. And I know the police chief and I have had that discussion. He already knows some corridors in the city that would probably be candidates for that if this city ever gets to that or this state ever allows cities to get to that point of discussion.
So anyhow, I just wanted to cover that because some folks did come out to speak about Vineyard NH specifically and I wanted to have that clarified for them. So thank you both.
Thank you. Council Member Perrella, go ahead. Before we leave the subject, if this passes, I'd just like to make a comment. The comments that were made about street lights, there are a lot of street lights that don't belong to the city of Oxnard. They're Edison. Fire Station 4 on Vineyard Avenue, the South Bank neighborhood, I live there. Fire Station 4 and Vineyard Avenue, those lights were out forever and I kept blaming the city. It's Edison. And then on Oxnard Boulevard, the same thing. The lights that are falling down, they don't belong to the city. It is Edison.
The other point that I would like to make I do agree, we need bathrooms. But if we're going to touch base with bathrooms, we got to start holding people accountable that have organized sports event at the Southwest Park by the airport and they don't even provide a toilet. There should be some kind of somebody checking that And the last is Mr. Carter, member of the South Bank Neighborhood Council. He's 100% right, city motorcycle I didn't know that but he's absolutely right when you're in Vineyard Avenue and you're coming to H Street it is a nice curvy thing but when your car you don't notice it that much if you haven't been there and the median the brush is high and you don''t see the cars stopped in the left turn area. It's an issue I am glad that these people are brought it up.
I wished I as a councilman for that area had been invited to some of those meetings, but I was not. But they're fortunate two council members that represent that neighborhood are sitting here today. That's all I got.
Thank you Councilmember. Councilwoman Perez go
ahead. Mayor yeah I just wanted to offer some perspective as well so definitely alignment with staffs recommendation around street resurfacing alley resurfacing I think is a parallel that I'm sure across districts comes across very pressing. Bathroom improvements, definitely agree. Lighting, thanks for pointing that out Council Member Perrello because that's definitely a concern that comes up in the south end and I think as we talk about public safety it's also important to include bicycle and pedestrian improvement so I think that's just one other area that I'd like to suggest as well.
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Can I just make a mention because there are, and thank you for bringing that up Councilwoman Perez. There are several very specific pet and bike projects that are on the list and not in category four they actually have grant fundings and or development impact fees so we do have quite a bit of pet and bike improvement projects that we are proposing to go forward with.
Thank you. Go ahead Mayor Pro Tem.
I'd like to propose an amendment because the Motion is to adopt the recommendation with category 4 as proposed by staff. And, as I mentioned earlier, I'm fine with the street-specific items being elevated to the top of that list. I would like to amend the restrooms that are mentioned in the Category 4 list, specifically Johnson Creek Park restroom renovation, Colonia Park restroom renovation If those could be elevated to...
I have to look at these two columns here. If those can be elevated up to item six, after 6A. So just after the Oxnard Fire Station overhead doors replacement. Excuse me. One, two, three, four, five, six.
You did the same math I did. That's right,
okay
so that would be just to sum it up it would be neighborhood paving number one alley neighborhood alley number two arterial number three advanced alley maintenance number four and then the PD parking lot five 7 and 8 would be the two restroom projects. That's how that order would fall in my mind.
That's, that's my request is that we elevate those restroom projects up to after those items.
And I misspoke not the PG generator it's the overhead doors for the... I'm sorry I didn't catch
that either. Yeah fire station. Looking right at it. Sorry about that. So that's a motion to amend for that if there's a second? There's a second. If not... I'll second
that motion.
I'd like to actually hear from staff as far as, I'm sure there was a lot of internal debate that went on as far as how you came up with your priority listing. Can you tell me why your priority listing is the more appropriate decision perhaps instead of what's currently on the table?
I'm not sure appropriateness is the right
term. Maybe it's the wrong word, but I'm not being artful, but I'd like to know what your thought process is. Tell me why I should go one way or the other because I could be persuaded.
So we spent a lot of time trying to prioritize projects and it's splitting hairs at some point in time. And so when we look Projects like, let's use Johnson Creek Park restroom as an example. That's a programmed athletic field. What's the little league there? Why naming Little League that programs that for their activities and they have the restroom key and they get to use the restroom.
The restroom is old and outdated has worn floors things like that but it's still available element that's there. And so when we look at those kinds of things, like what's the use of it? How many people does it impact? What's the volume if you will? We start getting to those kinds of really very narrow criteria and we start saying how is that more important than the overhead doors for fire stations?
So it's an apples-and-oranges conversation at that point and it's very tough But we look at it from some of the same lenses that we talked about before. Someone in Councilwoman Musuah mentioned that the health and life safety also start to rise to the top, so we do take that into consideration. That may not mean that the restrooms don't float to the top. The restrooms may get through that lens. They may not get the same level of urgency they're absolutely needed. Those are our restrooms Upgrades, but can they be used? The answer to that is yes. They're used for their functionality that they're doing the rollout door may not actually be able to be used for its functionality which is security of the fire station and emergency exit during a call so that's kind of how we start weighing those but there's not a wrong priority order from our perspective each one of those has its own unique and beneficial use to the community.
So I guess maybe as a follow-up question, does it give you any heartburn? I mean, I'm kind of inclined to vote for the Mayor Pro Tem's motion but does any of that give you any heartburn?
No because those are needed projects right like i said those and we've talked about this earlier I'm really glad we're doing the roads first because of the payback for that. So, I guess I can be comfortable with the amendment
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All right. So there's no other pros or cons on... Yes, go ahead. Council Member Perlow?
On the fire department overhead doors, the possibility of it not going up and down is one thing but I have seen overhead doors collapse in a person nearly get squashed. Is this because of lack of maintenance or just they're worn out? And I'm not trying to take the subject but as first time you really get an opportunity ask
So for the most part, it's usually the end of its useful life. That's usually what happens with those. The roll-up doors are very heavy, very mechanically and mechanical electrical inclined meaning they just get a lot of wear and tear. And they're very heavy, they're very large roll up doors depending on if they're partitioned doors or solid doors. So normally it's wear and tear where Assistant Director Hallett has mentioned that They're from wear and tear, not necessarily from lack of maintenance. But again there's probably a little bit to do with did we do the quarterly greasings of the wheel? I mean there's probably still some of that as well that plays into that like the life of a roll-up door.
I know they're extremely luxurious until something goes wrong.
Yes, go ahead Mayor Pro Tem. I'll just say real quickly Council Member and I'm not saying that our firefighters broke them in any way. I'm just saying I'm repeating something a firefighter told me a long time ago where he said you can give firefighters something that's quote-unquote unbreakable and then they'll break it and they'll blame the other shift for it so but they get regular use. It has an important use and I think Councillor Perlow brings up an important point about not only is It's not opening, but you don't want it closing when it's not supposed to as well. Not only on our personnel. Yeah, not only on our personnel but our apparatus as well so...
And they actually blame the police. Oh they blame the police? Okay.
But it sounds like Council Member Starr are you okay with the adjustment made to...?
I'm fine if it's not giving staff heartburn over then sure
It's not giving him heartburn, is what the director is saying. So if there are no other pros and cons we're ready to take a vote on... Is everyone clear on the amendment that Mayor Pro Tem made? If we are then we'll take a vote. Mayor Pro Tem do you want to do it?
Yes this is to move the Johnson Creek Park and the Colonia Park restrooms up The motion carries 7 to 0.
If
we can have a vote now on the amended motion, that would be great.
Roll-call vote Passed 7–0 motion, that would be great. Okay.
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And this motion carries 7-0
Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Stark. We will next go to item... Oh we are? You changed the order of
me. All
right there be no further business on the agenda and without objection we are adjourned everyone thank you
Thank you.