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Thank you. Good evening everyone, I'd like to call to order the regular meeting of the Santa Paula City Council this Wednesday January 21st 2026 here at 630 p.m. at the city hall 970 East Ventura Street We'll start first with invocation if we could please if you're able to stand and I believe we have Deacon Al Galin
That's great
Heavenly Creator, we are gathered here to thank you and humbly ask for your blessing for our community. Guide us by your wisdom and the grace given to us by the Holy Spirit so that we may be unified in our desires and plans for the betterment of our community. We thank you for your guidance as we celebrate our city's 100th anniversary and our country's 250th anniversary.
These accomplishments were not easy, but with your guidance and justice has prevailed. Martin Luther King said yet we know that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. And with these guidance let your compass lead us to the goodwill of our elected officials here in our city and our country. We thank you for all the gifts that you have showered on us and that they will inspire us to inspire others.
And we remind ourselves that we must never go weary of doing what is right, and to see with our eyes, hear with our ears, and understand with our hearts. Amen.
Thank you.
And Mr Mayor, I would like to say one more thing if I may. I'd like to thank you for inviting the Ministerial Association to come and open the meetings with prayer. I think that's remarkable and also as a reminder of the 250 anniversary as a gift from me to every one of you has a little flag like this That just a reminder that this is 250 years of which is the remarkable occurrence and they're just as a reminder from us to you.
Madam Clerk, could we have a roll call please?
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Thank you. City Attorney Monica Castillo do we have a closed session report?
Yes Mayor, this evening council are assessed in a closed session under the item 4A that is in your special meeting agenda. Conference with legal counsel anticipated litigation significant exposure to litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9 D2 and E1 for one potential case there were no reportable actions taken. This concludes my report.
Thank you very much and Madam Clerk do we have any general public comment
No, Mayor. I've received no cards for that.
Okay. I see we have several for item 10G, George. We move on to the first sort of business which is presentations. Tonight I believe we have several of our water division employees in the audience and I'd like to say that for those who don't know many years ago The Water Company had its own company here in town and about 30 years ago this city basically absorbed the employees And you've done a great service over the years, as have your predecessors. We are going to recognize two of our employees that have 30 years of service, 30 years with the city.
So in a minute I'll name them but for the division itself so that when you go back to your office we have a nice plaque here. Let me read it for you. So City of Santa Paula, 30 years, or Santa Paula, City of Santa Paula Water, 30 years owned and operated 1996 to 2026. This plaque is presented to the City of Santa Paula Water Department for honoring 30 years of excellence in service, an appreciation of three decades of service, your enduring dedication, exceptional teamwork, and unwavering commitment to the residents of Santa Paula. Your service has made a lasting impact on our community and exemplifies pride in public service.
On behalf of the city council and the senior manager, we thank you. If you could- I also have two recognition awards but is there a spokesperson from Water Company that would like to speak? Or we can take all of you one at a time? Would you like to say a few words about the water division?
Well, I'm never short for words so thank you Mr. Mayor. Just pleased to have the opportunity as city manager to be here at such a significant milestone and I applaud not only the men who serve our And it is only men in that department, so I can say that. But applaud their efforts but the commitment that they've made to keep our community and our drinking supply available safe and secure has been really, I think a signature of this community. And it's because of their hard work that that's happened. I know the superintendent is out of town today, so he couldn't be here.
And most of the guys are a little shy at the microphone, but maybe they can come up and join you for a presentation of the plaque along with the recognition for both Tim Martinez and Joe Dugas for 30 years of employment. And hopefully a few more.
Well, you know I used to work for the city and I had the honor of working with those two employees. They're still here and I'm gone but thank you very much for your 30 years service. I'd like to read the two recognition certificates one is certificate of recognition in honor of 30 years of dedicated service and commitment to the City of Santa Paula Joe Dugas And same thing, certificate of recognition in honor of 30 years of dedicated service and commitment to the city of Santa Paula. Tim Martinez.
Tim Martinez also used to be a reserve police officer for a time so he knows about volunteerism. Could I get both of you to come up and just say a few words about your experience with 30 years of service? If you don't want to that's fine. All right how about Tim? He'll come up.
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I'd like to say thank you to the council. I've done 30 years with the city, I had 13 years with Santa Paula Waterworks before I came to the city. Joe had another 8 years with Santa Paula Waterworks before we came over. Oh, they can probably hear me but it's been a journey. We have come from In a sense to say from the ground, we have accomplished a lot in the last 30 years. And I think before I leave, I'm getting ready.
I think we have a long way to go but I think we're getting there little by little and thank you and thank you my fellow employees.
Well
Joe if he
would come up I would like to give you both your certificates and then after that I'd like the entire council to come up and thank you for your service and we'll take a picture together
Timmy, same thing. Known you a long time and I thank you
for your 30 years back at school.
Would
the council join me? Would you two accept the plaque on behalf of The Water Company?
And Mayor, while the council's getting up there I'll just point out that Nick Lane was the one that designed the 30 year logo and got the sweatshirts for everyone. So kudos to him. Thank
you. And you can't leave after this or we'll lose our audience.
Thank you.
OK, so we didn't lose all our audience. Thank you for hanging with us here. Next 7B we have finance department report and this is going to be presented by Fabian Castillon, accountant.
Good evening Mayor and City Council. My name is Fabian Castellon I'm an accountant with the Finance Department Today, I will be presenting the department activity report for the past four months for the period of September 25 to December 2025 Beginning with monthly activity for accounts receivable. Accounts receivables responsible for preparing invoices and receiving refunds for various payments to the city, for items such as transient occupant tax, rent for city-owned properties, billing for COBRA and retiree health. I'm sorry, forgot that's the slide. Billing for COBRA and retiree health and special events and permits.
Next our licensing department which is currently heavily focused on business licensing The busiest time of the year for licensing is from November to December due to the thousands of renewal notices specific to business licensing being printed and mailed. The 2026 period began on July 1st, 2026. Licenses will be deemed delinquent as of February 10th, 2026. The department is also responsible for the monthly renewal and issuance of dog licenses.
Staff is currently focusing on processing these applications payments answering questions and issuing of licenses. Next is our accounts payable department. Accounts payable is responsible for processing the disbursements to cover financial commitments of the city In the four-month period, they have processed over 4,000 invoices totaling $10.4 million. Some of our biggest expenses in this time frame include $2.1 million in payroll related expenses such as retirement, taxes, benefits etc., a $600,000 contribution to affordable housing through The Spirit of Santa Paula, $400,000 in legal costs 1.6 million for utilities and sewer operating costs, and 1.3 million for professional services including work done relating to capital improvement projects And they are also responsible for reconciling the monthly warrants and check register that is presented to council For our purchasing department They have processed over 75 new purchase orders and have continued to provide support to various departments with regard to bid requirements responses etc In utility billing, our Utility Billing Department continues to work with residents on creating payment arrangements for delinquent accounts.
Working with customers to prevent shutoffs whenever possible. The amount of notices sent as well as the amount of physical shut offs conducted remains consistent across the period neither increasing nor decreasing substantially from month-to-month In payroll, payroll continues to train new staff on the time entry process. Payroll also has handled multiple retroactive calculations for pay increases in the period as well as the calculation and issuance of the MOU bonus payments that occurred in November and they've successfully processed quarterly reports related to state and federal reporting Sorry about that.
We do have a few staffing changes, we have one new employee who just started Ricardo Peralta as our new customer service representative. He started in January 2026. We do have one vacancy right now as the accounting specialist that is going to be filled come February 2026 And there is an interim change in duties. At the moment, our accountant Wendy Morris is currently cross-training and business licensing to help cover the position until the new accounting specialist begins.
And since she's no longer doing purchasing, our assistant finance director Beatriz Jimenez is currently handling purchasing related requests with a goal of streamlining the process – streamlining and standardizing the process. Other activities and achievements are TDA and street audits have been completed for the 24-25 fiscal year. Substantial progress has also been made on the 24- 25 regular audit year end process.
Staff has assisted with providing the data necessary for the water and sewer rate study so we can get that rolling, and our user fee study changes were submitted and approved so now it's just pending the updated fee schedule that finance will prepare. And with that, I'd like to conclude the presentation and ask if the council has any questions for our department.
Thank you, Mr. Castellon. Questions from council?
Go
ahead, Councilmember.
Thank you. Well, congratulations. You made it.
Thank you.
Great job on your presentation. Today, I'm always concerned about where we're at with the shutoffs. You said we're kind of people that are delinquent on their water bills. Do you know how many people are in that zone of risk?
So I spoke to Daniel today and he said the amount of shutoff notices is pretty level. It's around, I believe he said 400 to 450 every time he mails them out but the shutoffs has been pretty much consistent in terms of like less than a variance of 10.
Good, thank you for that information. No problem.
Thank you. Anyone else? I have a follow-up question to that under the utility billing it says staff continues to work with residents on utility payments and providing available assistance to avoid shofts when possible. Can you elaborate on that and if not I know that Finance Director Chrissy Ramirez is in the room what does that really entail providing available assistance?
Yes, so we primarily try to get customers that are delinquent on a payment arrangement so that we can avoid shut off if possible. But with payment arrangements they still do need to maintain a certain level I believe it's they cannot be more than 60 days past due. Sorry I have used to do usually but it's kind of fading. 60 days past due, so we try to help in regards to what will be a manageable payment that will get you back on track to paying everything that you owe and not get shut off. But also they still have to stay within the parameters and what it is that we can provide as a city.
Okay, so basically it's working with them to be able to make the payments but there is no funding available?
No not at the moment. I believe the assistance through LEWOP has ended.
Okay well thank you very much for your presentation. You did a great job.
Thank you.
Next we move on to item 7C Police Department Operational Overview and Independent Audit. Chief Aguilar
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Good evening Mayor, Vice-Mayor, Council Members. Mr. City Manager, Madam City Attorney and Madam City Clerk and our viewing audience here tonight I'm here to provide a independent audit operational overview for the Police Department And as this audit is a part of our overall support to the commitment of Santa Paula PD. As my time has started here, I've focused on the philosophy of our organization becoming an enhanced professional organization to become a trusted public safety partner in our community and to improve community engagement. And we still are working on those all those facets of our organization I'm here to share the results of an independent audit tonight.
I'm here to acknowledge failures and outline corrective actions that are underway, and I'm here to also answer questions you may have for transparency. Tonight's department performance history covers the investigations unit We are here to address the issues of the investigations unit, improve performance, accountability to the community and of course essential transparency.
We have had a collaborative assessment with the district attorney's office here in the county There were concerns that were identified by the district attorney's office and they came to us and we worked together on this audit. This is not the current operation, but it is those of past and prior leadership of the chiefs here at Santa Paula Police Department.
We own and I own the need for the audit The concerns I saw in my immediate action were to rectify this situation. This audit was initiated by myself and the city and the police department. The timeline of this audit ranges from year 2020, excuse me 2017 to year 2023. I'm here to convey to you tonight the breadth and depth of this audit citing some examples of cases that are within the audit regarding felony assault cases.
We examined training, supervision, staffing and case management. The audit has included interviews and best practice comparisons. After review and assessment of cases between our agency and the district attorney's office, it was determined an independent review was absolutely necessary. Our concerns are purposeful for the audit itself The background regarding the circumstances of the audit, there was a scope and methodology.
It identifies significant findings and also review of department systems. In the findings we found that there were failures that were systemic and unacceptable. There was an overall failing and lack of leadership and supervision during that period of time And I'm here as the chief of police to own the mistakes and concerns of the department. Investigations did not meet professional standards.
There were gaps in supervision and accountability, and there was training in case tracking deficiencies. Again these issues predated current leadership and administration. And we have a commitment to the Santa Paula Police Department and most importantly to our community, to residents, to raise the bar for the police department operations like we've been working on.
I'm going to briefly go over recommendations that were provided by the audit, the independent review. There are 10 recommendations and I am here to report tonight on the progress of those recommendations that were addressed. Recommendation number one The department advertised for and hire personnel with specific areas of expertise to help them to investigate crimes.
And I'm here to report tonight that in response, in our progress to this we have hired several lateral entry police officers one of which had an extensive investigative experience who is now working in assigned to detectives Overall, we have hired 11 lateral entry police officers since December of 2023 that has added to our investigative experience. And out of those 11, four officers had various levels including significant investigative experience.
Recommendation number two, the department might consider outsourcing work which requires specific expertise We utilize this in the review of cases that were in the audit. Detectives from law enforcement agencies from throughout Ventura County worked with us, they supported Santa Paula in reviewing investigations, making recommendations and carrying out operations with us related to our investigations.
Professional alternatives for number three to existing models of service should be considered to improve community safety and restore a professional and accepted approach to investigating crime. Our model of service has changed. We have changed to our detective bureau, we now have three detectives and one detective sergeant. Prior to that there were two detectives and one detective sergeant In the upcoming months, shortly we are going to add another detective to the Detective Bureau.
In preparing information for this audit, a poll of state law enforcement agencies similar in size to our police department and population of our city normally staffed two detectives and one detective sergeant. Recommendation number four, a more direct less complicated approach would be to contract a neighboring agency for police services. As you know in November of 2023 we evaluated this.
Our police sworn staffing was sustained and we hired enough staffing to increase our levels to almost maximum staffing for our officers. The reality is today with not just our agency but other law enforcement agencies across the country, longevity and experience are difficult to sustain. And that's because for all these agencies due to increased scrutiny large numbers of experienced officers retiring. That is currently going on and we share the same struggles and challenges in getting qualified candidates to not only test, but it's a smaller group of candidates now and it's 100 make it through a background. But when we get a reduced number of candidates, it just makes our challenge that much more to try and find those to get hired to the job.
To be clear very few are interested in a highly scrutinized profession where accountability is completely magnified these days. Recommendation number five Hire an administrative manager or supervisor to ensure training compliance, work with other departments to develop training and handle other internal demands that are crucial for providing public safety. And our progress on that has been our administrative sergeant position was vacated for salary savings and budget considerations.
And we have opened a recruitment for an administrative analyst and that position is currently pending on hiring somebody so we are close to hiring that new staff member. Recommendation number six, the department must develop an operations manual for the division. And I'm happy to say on our progress that prior to the audit in our work here with my administrators, my commanders, an operations manual for the investigation division was drafted and it was completed before the audit was finished.
In addition, the department training plan was drafted and was also completed before the audit was finished. Recommendation number seven, identify and develop personnel who can be an asset to the investigative division. For our progress, prior to the audit detectives patrol officers received investigations related training provided by the District Attorney's Office.
We also had mandatory training essential training and scenario policy training at patrol briefings and that occurs every shift. In addition we have supervisory training with all bureaus civilian and sworn those are continuing to be conducted Every quarter we have supervisor meetings with both our sworn and civilian staff to work on issues, to work out problems and to cover training.
I will share with you that in our hiring processes, we have only had one officer leave after 2023, and that officer left due to commuting hardships to get here to come to work every day. Recommendation number 8, while testing is both reasonable and good management to get people in positions the present situation requires decisive leadership to fill these spots.
And our progress is prior to the audit adjustments were made in leadership positions upon my arrival a shift in leadership style has taken place We've recognized the need for leadership development and hiring of more experienced officers. For example, all of our sergeants have been entered through the Supervisory Leadership Institute which is an eight month leadership program so they can better lead the department as we move forward.
In addition, an adopted city's strategic goal is to add more police officer allocations in the next budget cycle or in additional budget cycles. Recommendation number nine, the department's history of personal issues demands clear resolution. Conduct staffing study and follow those recommendations. Our progress has been a comprehensive job classification study was conducted in November of 2024 and it was implemented.
The 2025 strategic plan was developed with our city council and our department heads. And there is specific metric was established for increased public safety by adding additional police officer allocations in budget cycles in the future. In recommendation number 10, the auditor was told that our Mark 43 computer-aided dispatch and new records management system upgrade would not be installed and running until September 25.
Our progress for this was we had a team that worked with the Mark 43 implementation team, and that upgrade was fully implemented and launched July 16th of 2025, so months earlier than was predicted. These include new interfaces that will help case management notations, computer equipment upgrades in our dispatch center for efficiency for response times and investigation information.
And our new laptops for all of our patrol vehicles were installed so that all of our officers can participate in case management as they take their reports as well in addition to detectives. Moving forward, recommendations have been addressed, have been met or they could be in continuing progress and development depending on what the goals are for some of the recommendations.
I've prepared an independent review statement and audit report. The independent review statement I have prepared, and the audit report are both available at our police department website and homepage at www.santapaulapd.org Again that's www.santapaulapd.org We anticipate future updates on our Investigations Bureau progress in June of this year I want to tell you tonight, in my experience working major crimes as an investigator previous years that we care about victims and victims matter.
Our police department is committed to operational practices that protect and serve the public and ensure justice We will continue implementing audit recommendations. We are here to maintain transparency with the community and to you, our city council. We will develop a plan to keep the community and the city council updated on our progress. And we will continue to rebuild trust through consistent and effective performance. With that I'll address any comments or questions you may have tonight.
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Thank you, Chief. First of all I want to thank you for your candor and your willingness to as you say own it because you are the chief and the department is run under you so thank you for that and the fact that you took it upon yourself to investigate it before you were mandated. It is item number 7C and before I open it up to the council we don't have any I don't have any speaker cards, but I encourage anybody in the public that heard this presentation to step forward and ask any questions that you have of the chief or of this council.
Well, I don't think you've answered everyone's Council Member Chavez.
Thank you for your candor today, very sensitive subject. Can you explain to the public how these deficiencies came about and how they were identified?
Yes, thank you Councilmember Chavez. There was a case that came to the district attorney's office from analysis of evidence and when they returned a query to us about the case they realized that the case was still open and it was not completed That prompted meetings and review of cases going back in time to see if there were any other cases that were not complete or were not followed through. And we did find working together with the district attorney's office in a collaborative effort, District Attorney Eric Nazarenko, his Bureau of Investigations Chief Scott Whitney for working together with us to get to the bottom of it, prioritize and look at investigations that need to be completed.
And during that time we all, the district attorney's office investigators and our department continued investigation on those cases to their end to determine and get cases presented to district attorney for filing And all the way through either sentencing of the defendants or if the case could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, the case was not filed for charges.
It looks like you made significant improvements when these deficiencies were identified. We're always wanting to prevent situations in the future from happening and it looks like you've outlined How you're going to ensure those measures are in place. I do think it's important to acknowledge that the district attorneys work on this because there is an oversight, they caught something, they reported it and we were quickly, you were quickly with them to try to come up with some solutions to address these deficiencies so thank you for your honesty and candor and for the department's work on this and I appreciate that.
Thank you, Council Member Chavez. Thank you, Council Member Chavez. Vice Mayor Crosswright?
I should turn on my mic first. Can you tell us a little bit about how you've implemented oversight or what the process looks like so that going forward you'll know that the processes that you now have in place are being followed?
Yes, so with new records management system we have a the first thing is we have a more robust and accountable case management system. So that's number one. Number two as far as oversight we have supervision and when we talk about supervision we talk about what are the capabilities or what Qualifications is that supervisor, for example in the detective bureau have. Are we sending them to supervisory school? Are we sending them to homicide school? Are we sending them to core investigative school? Are we sending into leadership training?
All those things add up to how oversight is much better managed and And in addition to that, we have our administrative commander assigned to that bureau as well for even increased oversight over the supervisor in that bureau. To make sure that all facets of investigations are being addressed, audited on an ongoing basis so you can continue the path forward to providing solid thorough case work and presentation for cases at the district attorney's office for prosecution.
Thank you.
Thanks, Vice Mayor. Thank you, Vice Mayor.
Council Member Canelo?
Maybe it's more of a comment than a question, but just to bring the public up to speed a bit when this was brought to our attention last year. This has been ongoing. It's not been a last minute kind of thing and the council took it extremely seriously as did staff and we've recognized that as soon as some of these deficiencies were identified and brought to our attention It was not that we were trying to. Spin it or make it sound better it was fully at the insistence of Council and staff And systems to make sure that in the future that we function better, to better serve our city. So I just want to assure because this is probably new news to a lot of people that this has been something that's been ongoing. We're all very aware, we've been receiving reports about all the progress and the work being done to improve systems.
I just commend all the work that was done and I also appreciate very much. That everyone was very anxious and willing to collaborate with the district attorney so that it wasn't an adversarial type of situation. It was no, there are deficiencies or some systems that need improving. We will work together to make sure that we are still working together as agencies and the city with the county for the betterment of our whole community. So again, it's more of a statement than anything but maybe an explanation a little bit The process as well for this year is how we've been involved. Thanks.
Thank you, Council Member Cornelia.
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I'll ask a question first and then I'll say something Chief in your perspective what are the most important safeguards now in place that give us confidence that these issues won't be repeated?
It comes out of three main areas, training, supervision and accountability. We have to give our staff appropriate training so they have the advanced skill set to go the extra mile to be thorough It comes down to supervision and oversight and accountability for those that violate policy, for those that can't do the job or are deficient in the job. We've been here to take action with our employees, corrective behavior whatever it takes to make them successful. That's what we're going to do.
That's what we've been doing and will continue to do that.
Thank you. And I just want to add to what Councilmember Cornejo said We all took it very seriously when it was presented to us, and not just as a councilwoman but as a mom and community member. I want to make sure that everyone who is just hearing about this for the first time or not, that they understand that as a council we expect the work to continue like Chief has talked about. It's very important that our community members understand We want our police department to be a place that people can come and report a crime to, that they feel confident that they're going to be protected. And that justice will do its job in whatever the case is and whatever it is that they're reporting.
So I hope to continue with the transparency that you're sharing tonight as a department and as a council. We owe it to our community and we owe it to victims of any crime that experience something That no one should. And I hope for updates or as a council we can agendize the item and bring back any other work that we're doing, collaboration whether it's the district attorney's office or on our own as a police department or a city to continue to honor victims and the process that should take place for whatever crime it is that they're reporting.
Thank you.
Thank you Council Member
Rodanellis. Thank you, anyone else? Well Chief the members of the public hearing this for the first time we want to assure them that they're going to come in and get the best service they can so with that in mind somebody might ask themselves are the people the employees that made these mistakes are they still serving in these positions or have they moved on retired and do you have new personnel in place?
They are currently not serving in these positions, and new staff has moved in that is experienced and has gained experience as the days go by with their skill set and completing the work.
Thank you. And one final note on that is we have a very young department with a lot of new officers but some with a lot of experience, and I really like the idea that you're bringing in personnel with experience and getting them on board to help with investigations. And I would certainly think that you're going to not just limit your investigator, like a sexual assault investigator to one person but maybe cross-train others so they share the wealth and the knowledge and experience.
Thank you, Mayor. And I just have one last comment. Our department cares. Our employees care. My commanders are here. I have civilian staff in the audience tonight. I know I have my staff who are not able to be here. They're watching this stream tonight. They care. They burden the weight as I do of these kind of shortcomings And we're on the right path, we've turned the corner.
The leadership in the past has not been adequate and we're here to be the change and transition for much better outcomes as the years go by. And I assure you that I'm committed as long as I am here to continue that path of positivity, thoroughness and solid work to represent and sustain the trust of our community. So I thank all of you tonight for your time.
Sorry, I just want to say one more thing. Sure. I want to thank the staff at all levels, civilian staff or sworn staff for all the work that they put in to rectify the problems once they were identified The specific things that were brought to us are not very easy things to one, report as a victim but also to handle. No one wants to talk about those things but they happen and so I wanna thank everyone in the department that put in the work to make the changes happen so that moving forward we better serve our community and we honor those victims as they come through.
And second, to touch on the accountability piece that you brought up Chief, I hope that the accountability is addressed in the same way no matter what the person's position is. If someone were to make a mistake, I understand that no one is perfect but These sensitive case, all cases have sensitivity that needs to be addressed. But making sure that accountability is even and equal for everyone clear across the board no matter what position they hold so that we can keep the transparency and the honor to the cases and the victims that come through that we should as a police department and as a city.
Thank you.
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Yeah, I just want to thank you chief and your staff and some of them are here tonight. Um, I know that this process has not been easy. I know that getting up here and talking about what you've learned and what you're doing to fix it isn't easy. And so I do want to thank you all for being here tonight and forgiving the presentation. You could have just put out a written statement um, and not come in and face it directly. And so I very much appreciate That effort and I know that they're sure that there will continue to be questions And I know that you'll continue to keep us updated we live in times when it's really really extra important that our community can trust our local department and public safety personnel, and so I Thank you for doing this first step.
I'm in a not in acknowledging that you found Some things that needed improving and that you're taking those steps to make sure that there's accountability and the things are implemented. And that things are investigated properly and process properly, and we have the right processes in place. So I do really want to make sure your department knows that we all appreciate that they're working really hard to correct anything that was found that was not quite up As a council, I know that we have supported this department wanting it to become the best that it can be. And I think that we are...I'm happy to see that it looks like we're making progress in that direction so thank you.
Thank You Vice Mayor. Thank you Vice Mayor Anyone else? Go ahead.
Just to reiterate our thanks, my thanks for all the work being done. For not fighting it but getting to the bottom of past issues that had to be resolved and putting systems in place. But almost most importantly I appreciate the transparency again because it is hard It is hard to admit some past failures that need to be corrected but we could only benefit by talking about it, being honest about it and moving forward.
We couldn't be transparent about it or open I should say public about it better to say through the process as you're going through an audit. You don't want to interfere with that until it's been done properly so that we could find the issues and address them But I for one am very proud of our department and want them only to be better and better, and fully support them. And I know that this community really cares about their police and does have trust in them but anything we can do to make it better for everyone.
Of course, that's where we're headed. That's our intent and I appreciate all the work. Thank you
Thank you, Council Member Cordenillo.
Anyone else? Chief, well you've heard from all of us so I would like to say I believe on behalf of the entire City Council we thank the men and women of the Santa Paula Police Department for everything they do what they've overcome and what they're going to overcome and with your leadership and your two commanders will get through this together. Thank You chief.
Okay, moving on to the consent calendar we have items 10A through 10G. Oh I'm sorry my apologies, I jumped ahead. City Council reports can we start with Councillor Marnelis?
I don't think I have anything to report since the last meeting. I was sick, that's it.
Well thank you, I'm curious to hear some of the things we did and I know you were there.
Oh, just kidding. See I always forget. I attended the swearing in for Senator Monique Limon and Santa Barbara along with most of you all. It was a wonderful event we were surprised to have Kamala Harris come out and do the swearing-in that was pretty awesome there was A great Vanda that played right outside of the gym, which was fantastic to walk out to. It was nice to see a lot of the people that were there that I hadn't seen in awhile.
We got to take pictures, see other elected officials from Ventura County. The drive was nice. It was just overall wonderful to see Monique in that new position and I'm glad that I was able to make it and be a part of that.
Well thank you. Council Member Chavez, I know you normally submit your report. Is there anything that comes to mind or time-sensitive you'd like to say?
As a member of the Ventura County Air Pollution Control Board, I was reappointed to the South Central Coast Basin White Council, where I serve as Vice Chair. I was appointed to the League of California Cities Policy Committee on Community Services and heading to Sacramento tomorrow for our first meeting of 2026. And I attended the start of the Martin Luther King Day at Plaza Park in Oxnard last... actually this Monday.
That's it.
Very good. Congratulations. Council Member Canejo?
Thank you, Mayor. Just a couple of things to mention. Made me perhaps forgetting some of the others but anyway. Did attend the VCOG bi-monthly meeting representing Santa Paula and also a separate Ventura Regional Broadband Initiative I represent Santa Paula on an ad hoc committee, which is a lot of initials and a lot of things to try and follow. But what we're working on right now is trying to get a policy countywide for what they call micro-trenching, which would enable doing cable for broadband. And micro-trenching is trenching between the The road and the gutter along that seam, and it's just a couple inches wide and about six inches deep which allows to put the cable along existing streets instead of tearing up streets everywhere. And so they're trying to get a policy put together for the entire county so that we can present that to providers so that we have uniform standards and uniform practices to make it easier Get some of those actually put in.
And I do have a business card from Brian Chong, City of Moorpark who is happy to help our new deputy city manager in putting together policy for our city so I will get that to her because he's a great help and she won't have to do as much to get it together I appreciate that the mayor appointed me to the senior advisory committee as the liaison and attended that first meeting.
And also, I believe it was in December but after the last meeting I attended we did go...I did go to the Ventura County Air Pollution Control District Advisory Committee which is different from the one that the council member Chavez is on so those are those are the main things thanks.
Thank you Council Member Grinnell. Vice Mayor Croswell?
Yes, I also attended the ceremonial swearing in of our New Senate Pro Tem Monique Limon up in Santa Barbara. But in terms of reports, Council Member Chavez and I are still working with staff on finalizing the Athens information to bring back to council at a future meeting. Council Member Chavez and I also had our Economic Development Committee meeting. And just a couple quick things. We're all going to be getting a presentation shortly On the not today, but soon on the new permitting and processing improvements. The staff is working on implementing some software that the public will be able to go through the permitting process in a digital format which will make that whole process go better so just letting you all know that that's going to be something that's coming it's not It's not finalized yet, but they're going to be coming in doing a presentation.
So give more information to the public on how that's all going to work. But it looks like it's really going to help our processes and make it easier for people to process permits whether it's planning building and safety code enforcement issues. That we also got an update It was interesting that the results were mixed. Some people who had been wildly against it actually had really good experiences during the December Street Festival, and other people felt like they didn't know if it really helped them.
But some people who really thought it was not going to be beneficial did find it really beneficial. So that'll continue to be an ongoing conversation but Difficult as I think some people were afraid it was going to be. At my Ventura County Transportation Commission meeting, we had several presentations and so if anyone is ever interested in all of the various issues related to quiet zones in the railroad corridor there was a lengthy presentation on quiet zones and everything that has to be in place in order to have a quiet zone All of the liabilities that municipalities have to take on in order to have quiet zones. But so there was a really lengthy presentation and then a very robust discussion by the commission. So if that's ever something any of you or members of the public are interested in, there's information that you can watch that Ventura County Transportation Commission meeting from January.
Also, there was lengthy discussion on the Santa Paula branch line master plan and the environmental impact report. So that is still ongoing but there was an update on where that's at, on their community engagement efforts, and also some of the concerns from the ag community. There will be a lot of additional opportunities to engage in that planning process.
There's going to be at least six additional pop-up events in 2026 You can also go online to SPBL.trail at GoVentura.org and find out more information. You can also sign up to be notified about future engagement opportunities, but there's also ways that you can submit comments online. And then unfortunately the Sespe Creek overflow railroad bridge continues to have sagas because they were in the middle of fixing it and then guess what? We had Early off-season rain. So that is going to take longer than they were hoping, and they're trying to work with FEMA to get extensions and trying to work with all the various permitting agencies to get extensions. And so that saga continues. They'd originally hoped that the entire bridge would be finished by October, and that is clearly not going to happen.
I had Southern California Association of Governments Legislative Communications and Membership Committee meeting And so they talked about some of their updates, but I'm going to wait since the legislative session is still in the early stages and I'll give you updates on those as bills really start to move where people are just submitting the bills right now.
I had a LAFCO meeting this morning, local area formation commission meeting this morning. There's not really anything to report on that one though. So the one thing that I will, other thing I will report on is at the Clean Power Alliance board meeting we had to approve an early rate adjustment to adjust the rates down in response to the California Public Utilities Commission increasing Power charge indifference adjustment, which is the PICA. They increased that up and that's after last year the state had also put on the increase in the base rate and so we were uncomfortable with how much that change by the CPUC changed the rates. And so normally we only change rates once a year but we did change rates.
They'll go into effect starting February 1st In order to respond to the California Public Utility Commission's changes to that fee. So there's lots more information that I could share on that, but for now I will just let you know that whatever rate you saw for January it will be lower in February so thank you.
Thank you Vice Mayor. We didn't have, I mean the last regular council meeting we had was December 10th so there quite a bit happened but I would like to point out that on in that time in December on December 20th Gabrielle Arnales our Council Member was responsible again for a wonderful event the Santinmi. That was an E&D boot up here on Main Street and as usual is very successful and he served a lot of the children in the community so thank you On the following day was a rotary Christmas baskets that happens every year, and as you know years ago we used to deliver but they've decided to do one stop. People stopped by the community center and pick up toys there.
Councilmember Chavez and I attended the Homeless and Housing Committee meeting on January 6th. Let me see... We did have a special council meeting, all of us that were available on Wednesday January 14th. I also attended the swearing-in of Monique Limon in Santa Barbara with fellow council members. On the 14th Council Member Chavez and I attended the Cannabis Standing Committee meeting. There'll be another one coming up real soon and no decisions were made but there are a lot of discussions about cannabis that's occurring On Saturday the 17th, Park 1055 had its one year anniversary. So they've been in business one year. The art museum had an opening that night and so that was at four o'clock. And I was honored to present a proclamation to the Santa Paula Lions Club on that same night at Bun & Filmore, Bun & Chevrolet & Filmore where there was about 60 people, 60 lions in the room.
And this, and I gave them the proclamation for celebrating their 100-year of existence in Santa Paula. And as a reminder, tomorrow at 630 is the monthly Parks and Recreation Commission meeting which will occur here in the Council Chambers at 6.30, and that is my report. So now we will go on to City Manager's Report.
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Thank you Mr. Mayor. Real quickly it was a pleasure to kind of end the year with a lot of celebrations events and being supportive community and we've started the year off with a bang. There's been, as you noted Mayor, a Cannabis Committee meeting, an Economic Development Committee meeting, Housing and Homelessness Committee meeting. Our Athens Rape Review Ad Hoc Committee met back in December We'll be meeting again and in January. And we'll be meeting again, so we've been hard at work moving things forward.
I wanted to... point out some good news which is that the bridge that will span our two ends of town over Santa Paula Creek, the construction has indeed begun and work is underway. And we'll look forward to a groundbreaking ceremony probably sometime in February weather permitting. And that
concludes my report. Thank you, Mr. Singer. So now we move on to the consent calendar items 10A through 10-
Mr. Mayor I have a question for the City Manager. Just a couple questions can you please provide that council with an update on the employee survey and also the status of the animal shelter?
Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the council, the employee survey that we're doing with a third party consultant concluded last week. They're working on compiling all of the results for us which I'm told we will have at the end of this week. And we will engage those results with the council and with our staff. We have a couple of focus groups that we're going to convene next week, that the consultant will convene.
And from that I'm hopeful that there'll be feedback that will garner, that will help inform us as to ways that we can also improve our organization and make sure our employees are working in a satisfactory environment As to animal services, we continue to have our Animal Control Officer actively out in the field. We are also continuing to have dogs that are impounded sheltered at the Humane Society in Ojai.
That relationship has been kind of month to month and they have been reluctant to enter into a longer term contract because of some organizational changes that they're undertaking. And as a result of that, the chief and I have been actively talking with them and also seeking other options so we'll hope to have some report to you but otherwise it's been kind of status quo for us.
Thank you Councilmember Chavez. Anyone else have questions? All right, we're moving on to the consent calendar items 10A Adam through 10G George Mr. Singer, were you going to remove one item?
Yes. Just so the council knows we are asking to pull Item 10C which was the approval to procure some composting through a state approved direct service provider. There's a high likelihood that contract won't be necessary because Athens our trash franchisee has obligations themselves to do this and so they may have covered us But because this is a reporting issue with the state, we have to make sure that they've done it in compliance with the state's regulations. If we're able to do that then this matter won't come back to you and we won't need to spend the money.
If it turns out we still need to do it then we'll re-agendize this.
Okay thank you. And is there any other item a council member would like to pull?
Yes I would like to pull Gosh, I think it's 10G.
Yeah, licensing agreement?
And then I just had a question. I don't know if you had any other that you had a question on or another item. I just
had a question on 10D the completion of police station security.
Yeah, that was the one I had a question on so... Okay. ...I don't think it needs to be polled.
Okay. What's your question on 10D?
My question was just what the... I know that the current state of it doesn't have... The gate doesn't function and so I was curious about the timing
of that So it's I spoke RWC today to get an update. The notice of completion that you see in front of of opening and closing the gate. We have those bids in hand. Building and Safety has asked for us to put some additional screening for protection, little hands going in and out of the gates so we're securing those bids currently and we're gonna put some additional screening near the areas of the gate opening.
Once we've secured those bids, we'll be ready to install that and then also put the functioning pieces of the gates will open and close and all the mechanics that we need for that 45 days or so to 45 to 60 days to complete that is what I was told today Yeah,
I Have a follow-up question. Mr. Burns director Barnes um we're going to approve the the Notice of completion. During the course of the construction, you have evidently had some change orders which caused an increase. Can you talk a little bit about that? And some of it was beyond our control. I think it's approach of the ingress and egress of the parking lot
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You're testing my memory a little bit when it comes to that. But it was none of those were with this notice of completion. So there was 3 different projects going on, one was some civil work, which was the approaches and things. That work has been completed. We've actually brought that notice of completion to you all already. The interior work at the police station was also done and that notice of completion has come to you.
And then this is the last outstanding one so the fencing was another contract And they all did come under budget. I know we came back to you at one time to ask for some increases, but they all came under budget as far as Council's approved scope
Okay, thank you very much for that clarification so again Vice Mayor Crosswright has pulled 10G which is a license agreement and MOU with potential Union Building users Would anyone like to make a motion for the remainder of the consent
calendar? I would move approval of items A, B, D, E and F on the consent calendar.
Roll-call vote Moved by Crosby · Seconded by Pedro Chavez
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I guess I need these two.
Yes, those are all common cards for this person who would like to be last.
And all of these are on this item? All 10G. OK. All right. So once the mayor leaves the room We will discuss item 10 G, the license agreement and MOU with potential union oil building users. Um, I don't know if Mr Barnes, if you have any thing you want to say about this item?
Well, um, as council recalls, we did come before you with a study session and uh, REC was able to make a presentation about, um content management is law as well as license agreement for the building They kind of go hand in hand, but the real purpose and our partnership with REC really has to do with content management. As you know we've inherited a lot of items in the building that Chevron donated to the city or were items that we had acquired over the time of having the building and they're going to be helpful to us as far as cataloging, archiving, curating those items at their expense In addition to that, they're willing to license some space upstairs in order to help us generate revenue that will continue to support the maintenance of the building.
So that's really the relationship we're looking for with them and that you know they're very willing, very interested and quite frankly very excited to be part of this project and work with us. There are representatives here today with RAC that can speak to that I would also like to make you all aware of one item That did come to my attention after the agenda item, so I have some red line copies. Actually, I guess they're blue line copies but you can see some edits on page one and two it's in our favor and I've talked to REC. I'm going to give those to you now.
I did talk to representatives from REC so they're aware of it in an agreeance but actually on page 1 the licensed area is actually a little bit more. It's 3,048 square feet of licensed area So the rent would increase to $1,524 a month rent for that space. And then also there's an intent upstairs. The rushing room has been kind of set aside for LeapLab when they need additional office space. But they've also requested potential for maybe two offices So the rushing room was listed here, but really that's already been set aside. That's not part of the current agreement.
The writing room which It is part of REC's current license agreement, but it's written into the license agreement that when LeapLab is in need of a second office and is willing to cover the cost for rent for that office, that it would be turned over to them. And we will take it out of their license agreement and then LeapLab would consume that office space. So we've written that in for that provision for them for when they're ready for additional space. So I just want to make you aware of that. And I don't know if it got to everybody, but those are the only two changes.
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All right. Is that all you have to say? Okay, I'm going to take the public comments. I think then first unless any council has any burning questions before we take the public comments. Okay. Alright, we have Michael Shankman.
Well, good evening Vice Mayor and Council City staff. Thank you for your interest in preserving historical artifacts on behalf of the community. My name is Michael Shanklin and I by day am the Executive Director of KidStream Children's Museum over in Camarillo that's going to serve the community in partnership with Sleep Lab with the folks that we're going to serve a great partnership there.
By evening and volunteer status, I'm a member of the American Alliance of Museums And I serve nationally as a Museum Assessment Grant Peer Reviewer. Part of my responsibility as a peer reviewer is to go all throughout the nation and advise museums across the nation on best practices, as it relates to community collections and historic preservation. So it is with that experience that I come in support of RECC.
Selfless act of coming in and helping to preserve the historical Union oil collection. We're really proud of the effort that we're working on to take the collection and really make it a world-class There are a couple of key things that we're looking at as part of the responsibilities of this. Number one is creating a collection stewardship and steward plan.
to ensure that if there are any artifacts or archival items that are in jeopardy of being lost permanently, that we immediately rectify that to preserve those and make those available to future generations. We also are looking at the archival and artifact storage using best practices according to the American Alliance of Museums, looking at the inventory oversight process We're really hoping to engage local history students and those interested in museum preservation to come and volunteer with us, to activate and engage the community in a meaningful way.
As I mentioned one of our goals is to digitize the collection so that can be used for research in the future not only from the oil and gas industry and looking back but also from the perspective of the critical history of this fantastic community So I'm proud to be an advisor in this and excited to help the city manage that collection. And just want to thank you for your support in supporting REC and our efforts to help you help the collection. Good evening.
All right, thank you. Michael Nelson?
Madam Vice Mayor and members of the council. I'm Mike Nelson, and I live in Santa Paula have been since 2001. I also was the former director of the California Art Museum for the city of Santa Paula from 1994 to 2007 so I had a great privilege of being the museum director for a period of 13 years and managing the museum's all the programming, fundraising and contents of the museum. I saw so much of the contents of the museum for a very long period of time came to appreciate it understand there very well and also saw many items donated to the museum in all the years that I was there.
Of course everybody knows that the contents of the former oil museum and the Union Oil Building have passed now to the City of Santa Paula from Chevron, which is a great thing. And so now the city's responsible for the preservation management and cataloging of both contents and collections of archives of the Union Oil Building And I can affirm that the building contents do have significant and substantial historical and monetary value. In particular, I think of the collection of the Lundgren gas pump collection which was six gas pumps that were donated to the museum fully restored from the early 1900's 1900s, which individually those are worth anywhere between $5,000 and $10,000 a piece.
So they're very significant items. I think that the Responsible Energy Council, the REC is the best entity I can think of to preserve and manage those contents. The REC has exceptional petroleum expertise because of its connection to Cal NRG. Olivia Simonson is the president of REC, and her father Cliff Simonsen is the CEO of Calanargy. And so there's a lot of petroleum expertise which can come into play to help with the preservation of all the material that's in the museum.
REC also has an exceptional director Michael Shanklin who's already spoken prior to me And he has just a great track record in terms of fundraising, collections management. All the things you're looking for to having somebody aboard that can do a great job and I have a lot of confidence that he will do a great job. The REC also has a strong funding source in its connection to Cal Energy and so consequently they can pay for all the necessary preservation and management software, time and energy, and staffing that's required to do a proper and good professional job with what the city owns. And I think that's very important.
So I consider this license agreement to be really good for the city and I'm fully behind it. Thank you very much.
Thank you we have Tim True And then he'll be followed by Cliff Simonson.
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Good evening. My name is Tim Truie and I run Petru Corporation, a land consulting company doing land work and oil and gas work. I've run my company here in Santa Paula for 40 years. Um, I'm also a member of the California Oil Museum Foundation so I've been involved with the Union Oil Building and its content for the last several years I've worked up and down the state in the oil industry since 1978, and the content in the Union Oil Building is incredible.
It's a rich history of the town, the county, and the state. So it is in need of preservation. A lot of it is well over 100 years old. A lot of it is paper. And it's going to take a lot of work and knowledge and curation and money to save it. I've known Cliff Simonson for about 30 years, I know him as a man of integrity and of his word, and I have full confidence that the REC will be able to step in and take care of the county's incredible oil collection. in the museum. So I would ask the council to move forward with the agreement with REC and try to get them in the building as quickly as possible so they can start their work.
to save and curate those items. And then they can be made available to the public safely in that manner. So these are items that, you know, the general public would be interested in but also schools and scholars because of the rich history of the area and of the oil integrity. So we all know that Ag & Oil built this town, built this county And I think everything in there is so incredibly important to preserve. And I have full confidence that the REC will do that.
Thank you.
Cliff Simonson and followed by Josh Fonseca?
Joseph.
Oh, Joseph, sorry.
Thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you council members and thank you Greg. And I just wanted to say I really appreciate the outpouring that I've heard so far from the community and the opportunity for the Responsible Energy Council to be involved in this we consider it a long-term project. We're quite excited about it. I don't want to take a bunch of time. We've met before, but I'll stay here for questions and in the meantime, I'll let the others that are speaking and not suck up their bandwidth so thank you.
So Joseph Fonseca and he'll be followed by Josh Yarbrough
Good evening City Council members, my name is Joseph Fonseca. I am born and raised in Santa Paula. I am raising my four daughters here. One thing I've always been proud of is our city's deep history. Oil and gas played a major role in shaping Santa Paula providing jobs opportunity and identity for generations of families like mine. The artifacts inside the Union oil building are not just old equipment they are pieces of our shared history.
Preserving them means Honoring the people who built this community and ensuring the future generations understand where Santa Paula comes from. The Responsible Energy Council has the expertise and dedication to properly care for these artifacts so they are protected, and documented, and preserved with respect. Leaving them at risk or unmanaged would be a loss to our city's heritage.
I'm asking you to approve the license agreement the Responsible Energy Council To preserve the oil and gas artifacts in the oil building. I hope we can protect Santa Paula's history, thank you. Sorry, I'm not much of a speaker.
You did fine.
Thank
you. Josh Yarbrough and then Henry Lopez will follow him.
Good evening, Central City Council members. Forgive me I'm a little nervous public speaker so I'm going to read. My name is Josh Arbro. I'm Santa Paula City resident and parent of three. I think about what we pass down to our next generation. History isn't just taught in books it's experienced through real artifacts that tell real stories The oil and gas artifacts in the oil building represent decades of innovation, labor and our community growth.
Preserving them gives our children a chance to learn firsthand how Santa Paula evolved into the city it is today. REC has shown its commitment to preservation, education and community collaboration. Approving this agreement ensures these artifacts are protected rather than forgotten or damaged. I'm asking for you to approve the license agreement allowing the REC to preserve the oil and gas artifacts. Thank you.
Thank you. Next will be Henry Lopez followed by Bob Orlando
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Good evening City Council members. My name is Henry Lopez. Santa Paula's history is one of hard work, industry and resilience. Preserving our oil and gas artifacts is not just about nostalgia it's about cultural and economic value. Well-preserved historical artifacts support education tourism and community pride They create opportunities for learning programs, visitors and partnerships that benefit the city as a whole.
The responsible Energy Council is uniquely positioned to manage and preserve these materials properly. This agreement ensures that artifacts are cared for by professionals who understand their historical and technical significance. Approving this license protects assets that belong to Santa Paula's story and ensures they remain accessible and respected. I'm asking for you to approve the license agreement allowing the responsible Energy Council to preserve the oil and gas artifacts in the Union Oil Building. Thank you for your time.
Thank You Bob Orlando followed by Rebecca Enriquez
Greetings Vice Mayor, Council, Mr. Singer, Ms. Castillo and I think the Chief's still here, Chief Aguilar. I'm Bob Orlando 524 Glade Drive Santa Paula. I am a native of California my wife and I have lived in Santa Paula for 25 years and here we have retired. I am a professional geologist licensed by the state I've been involved in the petroleum industry for over 42 years from research, environmental studies, engineering, exploration and production.
I appreciate what Santa Paula has its people the weather museums especially agriculture and petroleum these made our city. The Oil Museum is here to display what it has given. Petroleum is necessary and required, and the chemicals related to it for the mining of rare earth minerals that are in every piece of electronic equipment you use today. It's there in the manufacturing facilities that produce the wind generators and mills to produce the batteries and solar panels, and also the fuel to power the tractors that harvest our food.
Let's not rename what we have. Let's not eliminate it. It's a significant part of our community, how fortunate we are to have this museum in our community. Please approve the agreement allowing the responsible Energy Council to preserve what is a significant part of our community. Thank you.
Thank you. We have Rebecca Enriquez followed by Miguel Enriquez.
Good evening council members, vice mayor. My name is Rebecca Enriquez as you can see I do live in Fillmore but we spend so much time in Santa Paula we should probably just move here. I am a teacher at K through 8 school here in Santa Paula my children go to school here and my husband works here. Um...I often think about what we pass down to our next generation history isn't just taught in books It's experience through real artifacts that tell real stories.
The union and gas artifacts in the Union Oil Building represent decades of innovation, labor and community growth. Preserving them gives our children and grandchildren a chance to learn firsthand how Santa Paula evolved into the city that it is today. My children have great memories of their visits to the oil museums in the past, and they are excited to know that the history that's in those buildings will be preserved.
The Responsible Energy Council has shown a commitment to preservation, education and community collaboration. Approving this agreement ensures these artifacts are protected rather than forgotten or even damaged. This is a practical responsible step That safeguards are passed while educating our future. I'm asking for you to approve the license agreement allowing the responsible Energy Council to preserve the oil and gas artifacts in the Union Oil Building.
I appreciate your time tonight, and I thank you for your consideration.
Thank you. Miguel Enriquez followed by David Compton
Good evening, City Council members. My name is Miguel Enriquez. I grew up in the Heritage Valley. I work here in Santa Paula and I'm proud of our community's oil and gas heritage. And I enjoy learning about its rich history when I'm at work. I get to see the history firsthand on how the industry has shaped this area for the better for generations of families like mine.
That's why I support the preservation of the items that were formerly part of the California Oil Museum by the Responsible Energy Council. I want my family to understand and value the key moments and industries that shape their community. The Responsible Energy Council is showing up to support these same values, they are also showing up to support the City of Santa Paula in managing their collection and providing critical expertise.
I am asking for you to approve the license agreement allowing the Responsible Energy Council to preserve the oil and gas artifacts in the Union Oil Building. Thank you for your time.
Thank you, David Compton and then our last speaker card will be from Olivia Simonson.
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Good evening council my name is Dave Compton. I have lived a majority of my life right here in Santa Paula and I also work here. I had very fond memories of the oil museum growing up in town, and in my 66 years here, I've seen many things unfortunately no longer be here. And sadly the Oil Museum is just one of those. But having the museum's artifacts just disappear, I think would be a massive tragedy.
I'd hate for us down the road to just have this be another Santa Paula, you remember when moment? I think the REC is the perfect curator of these items because one thing that hasn't been mentioned tonight is the REC educates about all types of energy, not just oil and gas. And by having them be the curators allows us to preserve our city's history while building that green energy future that we all want.
I suggest you vote yes. Thank you.
All right. And our last speaker, Olivia Simonson.
Hi, good evening. I just want to start off my name is Olivia Simonson. I'm the president of the Responsible Energy Council. I am third generation oil and gas in Ventura County. I want to thank you all for your time this evening and I want to thank all the speakers supporting the Responsible Energy Council and I really want to appreciate Greg and all the work that he's done to collaborate with the stakeholders involved in getting the license agreement and MOU before you all today.
I was born and raised in Ventura County. I have very, very fond memories of the oil museum and we founded the Responsible Energy Council originally with the intention and the mission which still holds of building energy educated society here in California. And through our experiences here in the community, both operating as a business and through my existence here as a resident and someone who was born and raised here. We realized that a history and heritage component of the Responsible Energy Council was a critical component of energy education.
It's our pleasure to step in and support the City of Santa Paula as the non-profit organization Stewarding and providing that support for preserving the oil and gas history inherent in the Union Oil Building. And we are Proud and excited to provide that support to the city. Like Greg said, we're very excited to be providing that support and stewardship. We're very excited to have Michael Shanklin supporting us with his amazing expertise.
I wanted to add a additional piece of information. There's been some discussion about the artifacts being accessible for the public. We have received requests already through e-mail To be able to use the artifacts and the items that will be preserving in local research and used by local historians. So we're already getting those requests, and we're excited to get to work to be able to provide them access to those critical materials for their research and work in our community.
So thank you so much for the opportunity to steward this history. Again, we're available for any questions that you may have regarding our organization or the contents of the agreement. Thank you so much for your time this evening and we ask that you obviously approve the license agreement at MOU before you today. Thank you.
All right are there any questions from council members?
I have both. Okay. So, you know, obviously process is important to our residents and it's our job to ask tough questions and make hard choices. We went from a study session directly to a consent item so pulling this item is essential to create dialogue so that all of our residents understand the decisions we make. With that said, I have some questions for staff and then I have some questions for the partner in question that has a proposal.
Mr. Barnes, there was a robust process that engaged community about the future of the oil museum right? There was data collected input provided what were the top three issues identified?
People wanted to preserve the building. I believe they wanted to preserve the history of the content and they wanted to have accessible space for the building downstairs, something that the community could enjoy, could access, could participate in. Those were kind of the themes.
So how does the proposal tie into the intended use of the space?
They would help us preserve the history and the content. That would be their partnership or their relationship
When we went through this process, we had an RFP. It was open and people applied. We made decisions. We've had folks here from the organizations. We closed it, right? Then an organization bowed out to my understanding. Yes. Did we reopen the process to allow other community partners to have the opportunity to put a proposal together?
We did not reopen the RFP process as you know we received five proposals when yeah five proposals when the RFP went out brought that back to council and as you stated one of the Proposals that was accepted with the California Oil Museum Foundation, who originally was going to help us manage the content and be in the building kind of the same relationship. Decided that they did not want to move forward to be in a building or help with that. And shortly after that we were approached by REC that they would be interested and could help us with managing the content.
We came back to council with that study session to kind of work through that and present that to you all. And that's how we got here today, but we did not open up another RFP or go through the whole RFP process again. We did not.
And I guess this next couple of questions I'd like to ask for a representative from REC to answer. REC, you provided...we had a study session. We learned a little bit more. You are 501C3, SC4 an advocacy organization and what are your primary advocacy focus areas?
We're a 501c3 nonprofit organization founded in 2022 but we have many generations of roots here in the community. Our mission is to build use science and human stories to build an energy educated society in California And so as we were executing on our mission, we realized that history and heritage was a key component of energy education. And that we realize that this aligned well with our mission and with the values of our organization.
And when you do advocacy, you have multiple pillars of that? Or you focus on the historical preservation piece or education? What are some things that your organization does.
Yes, so we're focused on energy education using science and human stories. So we have a energy news show that we publish on YouTube. We have the history and heritage program basically within our organization which opened up the opportunity to step in here with the historical preservation component. We have other storytelling components Through our YouTube channel and our social media.
And there's no way conflict to when you mentioned science, there is no conflict in terms of what the science says currently about climate change?
No I don't think science conflicts with historical preservation of the history and heritage of these artifacts in Santa Paula.
Great! You said you started in 2022? Correct But you have a long history of being in the industry. Tell me what the process would look like if this agreement moves forward, in terms of the items that are there because there's also other partners that are part of the space and how is that going to affect timelines? And I guess the community's hungry for the open space and having exhibits and All that stuff, how do you see the timeline would work? Would all those things be put in a different location and then you'd slowly begin archiving them. Share a little bit about what that timeline looks like.
Yeah our presence in cataloging the items on the second floor of the building should have no conflict with the ability of other stakeholder If I may.
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Could add to be one of the reasons why we wanted to move forward with this is in order to finish clearing the bottom floor so that we can get items out of there. So that LeapLab can get moving, they've already done some tenant improvements if you will or getting some spaces ready and we would like to assist them with that by getting those items out. So our commitment is by March 1st to at least have all the items out of the bigger items, out of the bottom floor. And then they can work upstairs with cataloging and things of that nature.
And KidStream is being a technical partner? What is their role and what is the expectation of that organization? And how do we connect because history's always important for our region to the universities in the college systems?
So Councilmember Chavez, Michael Shanklin again. So my role with REC is as a community advisor. KidStream in no way is involved with this process just to be clear. My role is strictly as an advisor as a professional in the museum industry with 30 years of experience to advise on the curatorial process and The historic preservation of the collections, so I do that as a volunteer to REC and a community advisor. So just again to reiterate, Kids Dream has absolutely no involvement in the project.
And the University and Colleges connection? Yeah! Some of that. Yes sir.
As someone who has taught university classes and has a deep commitment to higher education, we feel like there is a wonderful opportunity on behalf of the collection to reach out to some of the local universities and community colleges that have students who are interested in Ventura County history. And so one of the things that we're looking at is the viability of number one cataloging the collection to making sure we understand what's there Taking rapid reaction for the artifacts that are in historical dilemma in terms of not being properly preserved.
Stabilizing the collection and then properly storing the collection. At that point, once we have the collections cataloged and we're importing all that data into a museum software like donor excuse me past perfect Then when we have inquiries about the collection as Olivia has already said we've had We can be able to direct some of those inquiries towards specific parts of the collection that they would be able to utilize for historical research, which I think improves our understanding of our community and of the county. Great.
Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate answering this question.
Are there other...
Could I just make a comment? Because I'm recognizing that for the public that might be viewing this, there may be in fact confusion about what's proposed here. And so I just want to point out the obvious. Everyone in the room knows it but the public might not. LeapLab is still under a license agreement, in fact we'll be looking to bring some revisions to the council in a month. To utilize the first floor and the public space and this in no way interferes with that it's in complement The full use of the building. And I just want to, I would hate for the headline tomorrow for somebody to think that there's no longer going to be a science center and no longer going to be you know, Leap Lab is used there and that suddenly it's gonna become an oil museum.
So I just wanted to clear that up. Thank you. Are there other
questions? Council Member Cornyn. Remember my mic. I come to this from, oops. Falling apart here. With a unique perspective because I grew up in the oil industry. My dad was in the oil patch and I moved to California in 65 Following the oil industry out here. So I understand the importance of the industry, I understand the legacy, the history of this and how important it is to preserve.
I feel like was just extremely fortunate to be one appointed to the ad hoc committee regarding the use of this building once we learned that Chevron was going to give it to the city. At that point, I wasn't necessarily recognizing the importance of the preservation of all these historic artifacts and the history of the oil industry. It was more about what do we do with this building to make sure that it's not raised in turn and something built on top of it because our community values that building so much. We needed to keep that building.
And in addition to the interest by the community for its uses, insisted by direction that it be self-supporting. So we had to find a combination of tenants that could build and sustain for the future, the building itself. As much as we'd like, would love to just give away to the building for public use. We couldn't afford it. We couldn't sustain it. So being a part of watching that process and being a part of that ad hoc for Going on two years now.
It was a very thoughtful process, it was a shame at the point that we found the three tenants that were a very good complement to each other. More of a futuristic green type of energy as well as the California oil foundation And the historical society we thought was perfect. So when California oil fell out of it, it left a very large hole for us to find a way to preserve the actual oil history and the legacy that Union Oil and Chevron were hoping would happen with this transition to us and entrusting this beautiful building to us.
Finding an organization that would step in and fill that void, again makes it that wonderful complement of three different types of organizations. And one that can actually help pay for its preservation and its use to me was extremely I was extremely pleased to hear that we have such an organization that would do that. It's about me very Fortunate to be mayor when the building was transferred from Chevron to our city.
After a lot of work prior to that by staff and attorneys and all, they love this building. They wanted to entrust it to us to preserve that history if we could. That would be the intent or their wish but we also recognize that we as a city can do what we want with that building But to find this wonderful combination of a way for public to educate children on science and have it be a wonderful science center, and also recognize at the same time the history of our city and this county.
It was very special and I just want everyone to know, I don't know why tonight but That I came to Santa Paula in order to work with my father and my brother who had a shop, welding shop on 13th Street that built surface equipment for the oil industry. And they developed some processes that were patented and were special and that came out and supported it. And that tax revenue served this city. And I should go back and find out how many tens of thousands if not more money came into this city from that industry. And that was just one little welding shop.
I'm so it is it is a part of our history. It's wonderful that we can find a way to have these 3 different entities be a part of this are building and it's I fully support and will vote yes for this and I would encourage others to do so, I would also like to thank director Barnes for Balancing all of this in such professional way and finding a solution for all of these entities to work together And I wish them all every success to the benefit of all of us Councilmember Ornelas.
Yes Thank you all for being here in support of this before I ask my questions, I just want to say that I'm asking these questions in no way arguing against preserving history, because I think that's so important. But the questions that I have are more about what's in the contract that is up for being approved tonight. So I will ask from the representative we have here My first one is about transparency and accountability. Are you willing to provide the city with regular disclosures of funding sources and governance changes during the term of the agreement?
Yeah, we can have a conversation about that for sure. And I think you might have mentioned this already but The space that you will be using, I just want to make sure it won't be used for advocacy lobbying or messaging intended to influence public policy right? Yeah we're a 501c3 nonprofit so we're unable to engage in those activities. And if any concerns arise about the content use or space or compliance with the agreement how do you expect to work with the city to address those concerns promptly?
In the way that we already have which is professionally collaboratively and proactively
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And I think the biggest one here is given that this is a city-owned historic facility, why is a five year exclusive license appropriate rather than a shorter term with renewal based on performance?
So I think that there's a couple components of this as we really see ourselves as a long, Cliff mentioned in his public comment, a long term partner of the City. and a long-term steward of these archives. This is going to be a large undertaking, we will be incurring a significant financial expense in supporting the city with this preservation so that allows us the duration to be able to have the confidence that we'll be able to do that in a sufficient period of time and do it well on the City's behalf.
Greg, do you want to add anything? Whoa! Sorry I'm tripping. Do you want to add anything on that?
I would agree with that, that there's going to be quite a significant investment made by REC into managing this collection. And I think it's the same consideration we gave to the other licensees, that they're going to be making a big financial investment or investment of resources to open a science center or things of that nature. And so I think it's along the same lines. Right? And so just giving them the opportunity to be successful, to be helpful to us That's where the consideration of the five years came into play.
This is a large undertaking, this isn't something that's going to be completed in 12 months and so I think that there has to be some assurances that number one they have enough time to do the work and number two that you know they're gonna have space and you know as I kind of opened with their willing to pay for licensed space upstairs but they're also gonna pay to archive and catalog this, all of our items. These are city-owned items. REC, we're not suggesting to turn any of these items over to REC. We're not owning any of them. In their MOU, we do give them first rights if the city were to decide to turn something over or wants to get rid of something, we feel like it's just not appropriate maybe for us to own it anymore.
To give them first rights to it, but we're not suggesting giving anything to them at this point. They're doing this on behalf of the help to be helpful to us and help you know catalog our collection if you will
And then we did talk about leap lab having use of the bottom Of the first floor yes Is the contract that we have with LeapLab, like as long as this one?
Yes. It's a five-year agreement with rights for renewal.
If anything else comes up I'll ask but I'm good for now. Thank you.
The Historical Society also has a five year license agreement as well.
All right. I think it's my turn. Yes. So I think we all agree that we want to see the oil artifacts preserved. That we want the collection to be available for research, that we want it to be well taken care of. I don't think that's the question. I think the thing that I have struggled with is I left the study session thinking we're coming back talking about archiving.
And then, I got the agreement and the agreement was for five years it's only terminable under very specific things, the biggest of which is if They're not paying for 90 days. There's some other things about duplicating keys, but it felt a little bit like okay we're definitely committing to five years and I left that going we're archiving so and then even in the scope of work that they presented they expected it to be 12 months for the archiving and so then I was a little bit like well wait then what's happening the other four years? So I don't know if you want to respond to that before
So the language that was used as far as the termination was the same language that we use for the other agreements. And that's kind of where it came from and again I think its assurances for REC because of the resources that they're going to be putting into the collection, that they'd like to be around for a little bit right not just if you will for different way putting it but can I polish it up and then out the door? They want to be long-term partners with us and I think after the collection is cataloged and archived and curated, then what do we do with it? Right. It's not going to be on display at the oil museum because we have a science center and there's active programming going on but REC might look to have an off-site location to make the artifacts available to the community.
We do get as was mentioned had someone reach out to me A couple weeks ago that would like to go up and do some research and use some, you know look for some things. I'm not confident really letting them go up at this time because we really don't know where to point them to go look for the things that they want to look at but kind of being around to help us with that too to help navigate that when people do want to make connections when there's scholars or things that want to come in And I think they'd like to be part of that. They have an interest obviously in the oil and gas industry, and they want to be around for a bit. So we used the same language...I worked with the city attorney to use the same language that we've used in our other agreements as far as the termination clause or what would be terminable if you will.
I don't know if that's the right term for it but in order to you know for the What would trigger them or us ending the license agreement? That was the thinking behind it
And then it says in their own document, it talks about temperatures and humidities and things like that. And that takes a lot of energy if you're trying to keep that upstairs space at no more than 65 to 75 degrees. They're listed here as needing 10% or paying 10% of the rate. So I think as I was going through some of this, I was feeling like I wish that we had had this to talk about at our study session As opposed to like, oh, okay. They're going to archive and they came back and it was like wait if it's five years and it's you know the 10% here and the and there was something about We're going to be meeting
with the lab coming up next week. I believe for Increase that rate if needed want to have that first conversation with leap lab around utilities and then But REC is willing to you know pay a different rate to go towards utilities or what's reasonable for them? but I think it's a conversation to have with
Right. So then is there, I guess what I'm trying to understand that was then why wouldn't this come with that? Right so that we're working everything because when we left that last session the last thing that I said was that I wanted to make sure that whatever came back to us that all three parties that are going to be in the building I know you got a letter from the other one but that all three parties I'm just not understanding why we would 2 to 4 weeks and then have to amend this.
And not have all of those things be something that we dealt with together. I don't know if you want to add something or say something about that?
I just want to make sure that it's a win-win on all parties, and everyone is in agreement at the same time. Has any of the tenants shared any concerns regarding the existing agreement or the partnership or how the collaboration works? Or how do you facilitate disagreements
There's there's concern. I don't want to speak on behalf of the organizations, but there's concerns from the lab about REC having a front-facing you know program or They're not there to open an oil museum. They're Type related energy classes there or information. They're going to help us curate the collection And that's where some of the angst has been like is there going to be a competing message, and there's not We are we are supporting leap lab. We want a healthy science center for this community Been working really hard to support leap lab and and work along Marcus and in that sense This helps us As a city, as staff take care of the collection that was also very much when we had those workshops. The community was very much interested in right and so that helps with it.
It has been a challenge to say the least, to get everybody working in the same direction because it's just the nature when you have multiple people in the building. Why is it in front of you today? Because we had this prepared and then received a letter as we were bringing this before you and building our staff report with other questions from LeapLab that they wanted us to continue to look at their agreement and they want us to come back with amendments for council.
If we do that, if we put this off And we come back it's going to delay moving things out of the bottom floor. It's gonna delay us helping leap lab move forward It's gonna delay moving content upstairs and getting out of the way and part of this is to help staff because we do not have the We don't have the resources nor do we have the funding to bring in our own curator and pay for that service to assist them. So in many ways from a staff perspective, we see this as helping our other tenants be successful. That's the motivation for us to move this forward.
It's a little sticky, but this has been a five or six year journey to get here. And it's been challenging at times, but we're getting there. I know that REC and LEAP Lab have met also on a number of occasions and have had conversations about the space and what that looks like. And we'll continue to do that. But this is an attempt to get us to work, to get to work because we have a lot of work to do to clear that space to be helpful to LeapLab and the other tenants. So that's why it's in front of you.
Vice Mayor if I could also just point out the license agreement that's been approved for LeapLab has their rent payments beginning March 1st That's just around the corner so It's reasonable since they haven't fully occupied the space yet that we need to move things along in order to get them to a point where they can start to open their doors. So, the sooner we do that-
Vice Mayor, can I just add something? You mentioned that they shared concerns while you were in the process of drafting staff report. At what point will staff address their concerns and is that going to mean that we're going to be coming back to address potential revisions to the existing contracts? It seems like it's a moving target.
It can be a moving target. This whole process at times quite frankly is the moving target for us, it just has been especially when you have three tenants in a building and you're trying to work with all of them to satisfy their needs but also move other projects along this is a challenge. It'd be much cleaner right if you just had one tenant but that's not the reality of what we're faced with because we have different needs LeapLab has asked for us to come back with amendments to their agreement that you approved just last August. And so that's what actually James and I will be meeting with them, I believe it's next week, to discuss some of their requests. So at the very least we'll be coming back here soon before March 1st with some amendments or at least their request in front of you for amendments to their agreement.
Could that mean that we'll also have some amendments to this agreement? It could. That's, you know, will be told after we work with LeapLab and work with REC through it a little bit more but it would be nice to be able to get started in the meantime and start moving some things as well and if it requires us to come back one more time with some amendments that very well could happen but at the very least we will be coming back with Leaplabs.
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I just have a question I want to make sure that I'm understanding. You said that the top floor is not open, but you just... said that somebody was asking about going upstairs. Who was it that's asking for what?
I don't recall the gentleman's name, but they're just asking for some research so it's not open for public like downstairs if we were to have school access or visitors like that. It can be open for someone to come up and do some research or look for some artifacts or go through some of the documents. So that's kind of what what it would be used for. The Historical Society is also upstairs, so they have storage space and then they also have an office space to work towards building out exhibits that they might display downstairs. They'll have an occasional exhibit downstairs but it's not open for when I say public access for just the public to come up and view content or like do a docent tour upstairs or those kind of things.
Thank you for clarifying. And then I hear what you're saying about having to move things forward My hesitation is that yes, we do have more than one tenant in there. But instead of coming back with revisions why don't we just get it right the first time or as close to everyone agreeing with what we're doing? Instead of I mean, I know Vice Mayor still has questions but the concerns are the things that come up for me on the contract LeapLab having concerns just makes me think, can we just pause and bring it back even at the next meeting in two weeks with whatever the revisions are going to be? If that's a conversation that can happen from now till then so that everybody can have whatever we need to get approved. And there's a clear understanding of the people that are going to be sharing that space.
Just a comment. It's not really To ask you for an answer on it. I'm just as you were speaking It makes me think of all the different things that we've worked on as council and talking about how Even if it takes us a little bit longer, let's just pause slow down so we can do it right the first time and avoid I Don't know more problems if we can
I Still have a couple questions please okay So if there's no public facing exhibits, what would they be using the courtyard for? Because it does talk in here about the potential for doing stuff in the courtyard.
None of them have access really to... The courtyard is shared space if you will. It's city space that's not licensed to any of them I don't think they really have a need for the courtyard. It could actually probably be removed, but all entities have access to it if they wanted to do something out there. Maybe it's a fundraiser or something of that nature. We're going to be doing some fundraising efforts for the building and I'd hope that all parties will be helpful to us in that
So.
So the language says that the calendar will be maintained by the parks and rec department. And that will be available to all users quite frankly, because
I offered and I said, well we could just take that out. And they said, well we don't mind paying for the space but it can still be available to all. So we built language in there so that it's available to all users and the calendar will actually be managed by the Parks and Rec Department.
Let me think. I'm going to come back to that. Why is it that we are in here as having the responsibility to help support them in seeking funding?
I think it's a soft request, if you will. But I go back to these are our items. It's our content. One item is like the Lundgren Foundation. We have some funding for that collection. And so if those funds can be used to help archive or put towards that, then we should do that. It's a responsibility of ours to use those funds for that collection. It might be a support letter.
Maybe we come across a small grant that we want to put towards it It's not going to consume a lot of our time because we don't have the time to go out and look for funding. But I think that it being our collection, it's not, I don't think inappropriate that if we came across any funding opportunities to help manage our collection that we would put that forward. But by no means are we like putting staff time, like go out and look for grants for the collection or things of that nature because we don't have that capacity but I think it's more just in a support role because it is our collection.
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Can that be put in there, like in the language? So it's not so vague.
What would your recommendation be as far as... Like what you
just said. Like maybe, you know, not... It's not like time is going to be allocated by staff to do it but just if something were to come up or... Just like you said whatever the legal way of putting it... I mean yeah we
could wordsmith it some to outline that.
And then To add to putting something in there, the question that I had about disclosures of funding sources and governance changes. When I got the response it was we could have a conversation about it but maybe a conversation about If it should go in there and what it would sound like. It wasn't to you, I'm not going to try and remember her name. She's sitting right behind the representative.
What was the
item
again? It was a question about willingness to provide the city with regular disclosures of funding sources and governance changes during the term of the agreement. I'm just saying it now because I added the same thing for what you were just talking about. I don't want to forget that.
I will say that I realize that as a 501c3 nonprofit organization, our sources of funding and all of our disclosures are in our Form 990 agreement that you can find publicly through the IRS website. We have a great relationship with Greg and we'd be happy to communicate to him about the status of our organization which is something we've been doing on an ad hoc basis since we entered into this conversation but who we are what we do and where our funding comes from is publicly available for the city to access at any
time.
And then in terms of, I know that Mr. Shanklin has experience with archiving but what experience does anyone else in the organization have? Because he's got his own non-profit that he runs and
I'll let them speak to
that or what capacity does he have for.
Well, I'll let them speak to that about their plans and how they're going, how they would archive for what that would look like as far as staffing.
So I think by entering into the licensing agreements and getting that as a green light to move forward then I think on you know, and I'm an advisor to rec so I am not I guess technically, I'm speaking for you all. But I'm already impressed with how incredibly generous the organization is on your behalf. You have a problem that you need to solve. And so far, I haven't heard any other recommendations for solving that problem. So I think REC is very willing and happy to jump in and help you solve that problem. With that being said, yes, I do have curatorial and archival experience.
And we are very excited to work as I mentioned previously with Universities to bring in additional folks who may be studying that so they can get some on-the-job experience We've also been talking to other historical entities within the county To invite them to come in as advisors to the process So I can't tell you right now that we have an exhaustive list of folks that are willing to step in But we do have a process and I think the beginning of that process is to get the licensing agreement approved So that we can we can begin moving forward.
I hope that answers your question vice mayor, okay
And then I think the other question that I have is, the language in there about the city being the ones to work out language disputes. How does that language compare to the language that is in the other agreement? It's the same exact
language. I checked it today, it's verbatim. Both Historical Society and LeapLab have the same exact language in their license agreements
It feels like a really awkward position for all of us to be in on either agreement, but I mean do you have a process for how you would determine whether or not language was?
It talks to...I don't have it right in front of me. Maybe I do.
Thank you. I mentioned something in the middle meantime, we discussed at length in the ad hoc committee. The whole concept of having put potentially conflicting politics in the same building. This is the elephant in the room that were dancing around right now. We expect everyone to behave like adults and And that's what that language is about, if I recall. Is that we just have a means to insist on...
There's just too much suspicion right now over what's going on in each of the parts of the building and we're exhibiting that which I feel is not rising to the level of what we should expect of everyone to do in that building. We have someone who's making an offer who is going to make this affordable which was our number one I'm sorry to get a little bit. There's some suspicion of what the activity is going on in these buildings when there are legitimate 501c3s, both of them.
And I've spoken particularly with LEAP Lab at length they understand and they're absolutely ready to work with others in the building to the benefit of our community for the education of anyone not only just our community but people coming in from the outside And if that's what's stopping this agreement, I highly protest. This is a very smart economic thing to do. We have a very generous offer to take away a big problem that our staff is going to have of all that archiving and delaying that...I just don't see fine-tuning verbiage in terms on utilities which we can do should delay progress on this project.
And I know it's difficult, we're all saying basically and it would all come down in our discussions like they all have to share the same bathroom. There's one bathroom in that building. These people as adults, professionals, non-profits need to work with each other. It shouldn't be that hard. And I just think that we should be allowed to keep differences of opinions, and education, and ideas, and history, and future. We should be able to function and thrive under the same roof with those things.
And so I encourage us to move forward with this because we will be left with a huge hole if we stand in the way of the progress of this arrangement. It's a wonderful dynamic combination of tenants that could go awry and therefore we do have the language where leases can be terminated if they become, if they can't work with each other. We can do that. We can just say this is unworkable. This isn't working.
That's actually not
what the language in the contract says. Clarify that.
To your question too about the disagreements It isn't just about language in exhibit. So it's it and this license disagreements, the city becoming the arbiter of that really was based on the initial negotiations with everybody so that somebody If if tenants are not agreeing on space or there's something of that nature, someone has to step up and sit at the table with them and say OK this is how we're going to move forward. And that's kind of where that came from.
That was actually during the initial negotiations of the other license agreements of why that was put in. So is it an awkward position to be in? Yes I don't want to be or I don't think any staff or we want to have some committee where we have to sit here and deal with those things so we To be honest, we've been on as brokers with everyone. We're continually trying to work and be supportive of everyone and being in communication. And we hope that will kind of get us going in the right direction and have everyone live in that building together. But if something does arise it gives us the ability and discuss it with everybody. What does that process look like? I don't know because we haven't had to sit down with that process yet, but I could see it being multiple staff members sitting down with tenants and having discussions and figuring out a solution to solve any issues that might arise.
Because I think part of what I'm concerned about is the first time we went through this all three entities were sitting down We've been talking about this for a long time. We've been talking together through the process and from what I'm hearing, that doesn't sound like that's what happened this time. So I guess I'm just trying to
I can clarify that I've been in the room with all 3 parties
talking about the actual
Ventura County Museum.
The museum is in space. What I want to know is did we sit down
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I mean, we've talked to the groups.
These terms were approved in August by the council for LEAP Lab with the hope of getting them in there and their doors open by March.
And although there was discussions with all three groups, the original three groups, they weren't all seeing eye to eye all the time on things either. Like there were just things that we continued to work through. But even though we sat in front and we were talking through items doesn't mean that everybody saw eye-to-eye on things. There's a lot of exchanges that go on and a lot of conversations You know, compromising and things that just happen all the time. That's just the nature of how this is going to operate.
And but that was happening even when the California Oil Museum Foundation was involved there's just a lot of discussions going on at all the times and I can't sit here in front of you and tell you that they were always in agreeance with each other it just was the nature of it.
Did you have?
There's obviously been extenuating circumstances like the weather The facility not being a par for even habitation. For me, it's an issue of making sure that we're strong at the start of it and the process everyone is at least or at least we say this is what it's going to be when it comes to mediation and that we don't have to come back and revisit it and then there's this back and forth. It gets really messy.
And with that said I think it might be best for staff to go and have a conversation regarding the agreement Come back at the next meeting with all parties, and if some parties don't agree then we'll make that final choice. And with that I'd say that we table the item.
For a point of clarification if the council is going to vote to do that are you suggesting that LeapLab have a say over this license agreement and that REC has a say over their license agreement? I mean, what's the desired result of the further conversations?
For me it's timeline. So for instance if the contract said they were going to move in March but there were rains, they had issues with the building itself, the building's responsibility ultimately is the city's. So if we don't fix whatever needs to be fixed on the roof or the window and those are things that we should be responsible for before Any tenant comes in because it creates an issue of liability and a public hazard.
So for me, it's about ensuring that those basic timelines are re-evaluated because we've had issues with the building itself because it is an aging building that needs a lot of repair.
But that suggests also stopping the work for LeapLab. Does that stop their timeline as well? They need work, too. They've got to get going as well. We're stopping everything out there over some verbiage. I fully support all three entities that they all be successful and we do everything we can to get them in and successful, and they all want that. So I
don't... I don't think any of us disagree with that. And I don think the concerns we're bringing up have anything to do with not having faith in what they're saying they're going to do each of them. I think that we just want things to be clear for all parties. And i think that as a council we talk about transparency and doing things in good faith and all of that. And im not saying that good faith is not there Two weeks is not very long to just pause for a second. And at the beginning of this, Greg did say that LeapLab does have concerns.
I don't know what those concerns are if they're new concerns or old concerns and I'm not to... What the city manager said about are they each going to be policing over each other's agreement? I don' think that's what we're going for either. I don't think either of them should have a say over what the other one's doing. Ultimately it should be a city decision I just feel that obviously there's concern, and again to what Council Member Cornejo said. I don't think it has to do with not thinking or thinking that there is something other than good faith in what the parties are offering to us and the cost and all of that is amazing and wonderful and I'm excited to see it all.
But the language or the small changes that we've talked about, those things happening and if another conversation has to happen with all three parties in the room to make sure that everyone has an understanding of where their place is. And versus not versus but together with the city and how everyone's going to work together like you said they're adults there's one bathroom we all have to figure it out nothing's gonna be perfect It's just a pause to make sure that everyone is clear and understands. I think that was my intent in the questions. The oil museum is great, and all of what we're talking about is great. There's nothing that I'm going to take away personally other than I just want to make sure we get it right as a council and that we're supporting each of the parties that are going to be there in this process.
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I've seen nothing but support from our staff to make that happen. And it's a huge effort has been made to work with all parties to make it work. I would ask Director Barnes, do you feel that there's enough confidence? Otherwise, I believe that's why you're bringing it to us tonight. That there is confidence that this will work in its...
I wouldn't bring it if I didn't feel confident that this would work. Thank you. I mean, I'm standing before you because I think this is a good solution. Staff has put in a lot of time to try and make this work. We'll continue to work with LeapLab. I understand about bringing items back I don't disagree with that. We negotiated a contract with LeapLab in August and now they've come back and want amendments to their agreement, we're willing to sit down and talk with them.
So those things happen because we want to be helpful and we're trying to really serve the community. At the end of the day, a year from now I hope we have a thriving science center downstairs that's functioning. I hope we have a handle on our content upstairs. I hope the Historical Society has more space and is able to finally exhibit some of their items. I really want us to be and I know that when we say well You know, we can come back in a couple weeks or a month and do this. That's true but that does put us behind and the state of the building is not the only reason that leap lab has not been able to move forward at this time there's been other things because they approached me prior to anything being issue with rain in the buildings that we've been discussing so This is, and we talked about this.
I mean probably four or five years ago that this this whole the Union oil building the content if you remember you know four years ago we didn't even know what was going to be the fate of that building so As much as this is challenging, it's also kind of exciting because we get to actually have conversations about the building. Like what are we doing? These are good conversations because we didn't have this in our control as a city and council wasn't able to even make these decisions a few years ago but we're really in a position I would not bring this forward if I didn't have confidence that this is workable and that will continue to work with the Tenants, you know I'm in constant contact with leap lab have relationships with the historical foundation And you know we've been talking to REC for the last six months almost seven months This isn't a conversation.
We started 30 days ago and brought forward like staffs been having conversations with them to work towards this Are there some things we still need to work out yes? But we really this is also an opportunity for us to help get things moved and help LeapLab move things along. When we come back to you in a couple weeks just to kind of give you a purview a little bit, you know we're being told that at this point they don't they might not be able to open until January of 2027 and there's other things that LeapLab is going to want to bring forward so the sooner that we can help get things out of the way sooner we can get the building and some of the roof repairs and things done The sooner we can get everybody doing what they wanted to do and get the building activated.
So thank you for that comment, I do feel confident. I respect whatever decision council makes or guidance you want to provide the staff obviously but I do want to let you know from a staff perspective, I wouldn't bring this to you if I wasn't confident that we can make it work.
Just a couple of thoughts. I appreciate everybody's insight in this and the perspective to which you're looking at, trying to look through what's going on and what's happening. And I can assure you that with respect to the document that we did one turn on the legal document and it was... We were satisfied with it. We are not going to come back and ask for any changes to the document. I just don't do business that way. We're not going to retrade the document, and we're ready to make a commitment tonight. As far as paying the utilities, that's something we can clearly work out, and it goes 10% or whatever. It was just a calculation that was made.
And it's nothing to do with trying to be stingy about it. We're not talking about a lot of money, but the point of this is that we really want to give to this community. We're really committed to this community. We have many, many people that work here in Santa Paula and we're committed to the communities that our employees live in. We don't have a lot of time where we can keep coming back and coming back and coming back. It's just not something I can do.
But I do appreciate your decisions, whatever you make. This is going to be a very expensive undertaking for CalEnergy or for Responsible Energy Council. CalEnergy's going to contribute it too but we also want to go out and raise money from the community and from others so people know what we're doing So we can spread out the commitment from other parts, whether it be the universities that we want to reach out to. Whether it be the community members that want to be involved in it. I would also like to grow the collection. We have a lot of people that are part of our friends and friends of our employees and such That have things that they happen to on the street that want to want to give a permanent home to it. So we would be expanding collection.
It's not going to be a political statement. We're not doing that political statement and I've heard this, you know there was some somebody goes well they're gonna it's gonna be a political center and I go that's not the case. We can't legally do it but regardless is just not what we're gonna do. You know we're here to to create a collection, curate a collection and preserve something for the city. And we're willing to pay for it. It's really, really straightforward. We want some academic people to get involved in it so they're interested in what's going on. But I get a little frustrated because I hear that there are some other Agenda and it's a really straightforward. Maybe it's you know because we just said this is what we want to do It's in my heart I want to preserve the art industry's history, and I think it's the right thing to do.
I've loved this museum since I was Young I know we can't open a museum here, but maybe we could open it at someplace else We keep the exhibits there. It's a good storage place. It'a good place to take care of stuff And they can open somewhere else in the town. So that would be the thinking of it, and we want to make sure that we have a place that's safe for it. We're not worried about the storm damage yet. Yeah, we were up there actually pulling up the carpet. I had our guys go over there helping the city clean things up so I'm aware that things go bad.
I don't see that there's any litigation that's going to result from any of this. It's just not the way we do business, so I hope you trust that and I hope that you guys will ultimately make a good decision for however you feel. We can't keep coming back but if you guys make the decision, I support whatever you decide.
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On the agreement it says they're going to start paying $1524. I don't feel comfortable starting an agreement when there's another request from a tenant to delay. It's going to create a mess on the contract. I think ultimately, I'd like to see this come back on February 4th by that time what they agree on we move forward and we make ultimately make decision on things that they don't agree on. We as a council make that decision but I don' want to delay Too long, just at the next meeting because of these concerns that came up during the time that the staff report was being done for this item. Because we're not going to be in compliance with even some of the terms of these agreements. In particular they're gonna be paying rent and then they're gonna say they're gonna start paying rent, they're gonna amend it.
Let's just do it right. Two weeks is not gonna kill us if we just wait And ultimately, if there's something of disagreement, Greg, let this council be put on the spot to decide what the ultimate choice would be. But from a public safety building, I would not let tenants come in when there is a leaky roof or even them doing any kind of work because that can create an issue.
And so like I mentioned before, I make a motion to table the item for the next meeting and I think you have enough information to come back so that we can make the ultimate choice in two weeks.
And does that include any other, we would consider all items at the same time?
Package them together. As amended.
And if another tenant isn't ready to come back at that time because we haven't worked out, I mean sometimes Historically with other tenants, it's taken us back and forth for months to come to terms before we bring it to you. I can't guarantee that's coming back in two weeks.
Well, it can't come back in two weeks period.
Right.
I don't know what the request was so I can even speak to it from the other parties.
Well they're here if you wanted to hear from them.
So that's an option.
Yeah all three parties are here at the same time correct?
City Manager White, I want to understand the comment of why that can't come back in two weeks.
The packet for your next meeting has to be finalized by the middle of next week and there's not even a meeting set with these groups until then and they all of this would take legal review and staff review so the very earliest would be the 18th of February And we were trying to move LeapLab's request forward because of the March 1st rent payment. So...
Are they asking for a delay in the rent payment?
They are.
So it's going to be not in
sync. So would it not be more important to have some rent coming in for that building as soon as we can if there are similar contracts Almost identical to our contract terms. We at least have some revenue? If they're here and they want to speak, why don't we allow them to
speak then?
Lee Bob?
Yeah.
Representative?
Any of the other two parties that are
here. I didn't put in a speaker card but you can. It's up to the
acting mayor. Well
they're
here. If either of the other two tenants would like a chance to comment, I think I would entertain that.
Thank you for the chance to speak. The amendments that we submitted, I would need more time to prepare and explain each of the points. It's a three-page document really explaining in clarity why we're asking for specific amendments so it has to come back maybe after we meet with Greg James and Dan about those amendments I would hope that we can resolve it between the four of us next week, and then come back to you with whatever that decision is. But I would need more time to explain those amendments than right now.
So if they are amendments, would they affect the other contract?
Yes, potentially.
OK, so it's not just your contract. It's affecting everyone's contract, which is why it could go long.
Would it be helpful, since you both were part of the old museum process set? I
wasn't. It was just...
Okay. I mean, I'd like to see that a council member may be part of this conversation so that we come back and then we can support the entire package
Well, this per this council person who was on the at the first on the ad hoc committee which really isn't that relevant right here. We've known everyone knows the basics behind all of this. I just think we have a bird in hand that is willing to help us and has the support and is ready to start paying to help support that building, which in the long run was also going to help leave lab get in if it takes you know some fine tuning of contracts later I don't see that as unusual.
I don't want to set us into something that could end up taking four weeks, six weeks when we need the revenue for that building. And we have a willing partner ready to go in and step in and do it. In the long run is going to help LeapLab in other ways. Maybe not on their request that you are having with your contract, the changes at this time but it's still gonna benefit Leapfrog to have this other entity come in and help right away with it with the revenue and the clearing of the artifacts so So I I'm just myself. I've you know, I would be happy to be a part of the process but I would prefer To take care of this and approve this this lease at this time
There's obviously an objection from the tenant existing tenant that can affect the whole contract or about to sign so again I believe there's a motion, I made a motion to table the item. It would require a second and if not then we'll continue having conversations but I think we're pretty clear on the fact that we want to be in sync on an agreement so it doesn't become messy and I'm not worried about necessarily the funds because we haven't been making money off that building for how long now?
That's going to come but doing it right and avoiding conflicts that can create Mediations, I
would maybe could we see if staff can work with the current tenants and the potential lessee for the second weekend or second meeting in February.
We will attempt to work towards that I can't stand here confidently say we'll be back by February 18th with that, because I don't know how those conversations will go. But we will make every attempt to do that.
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Are we able to see if there's council that wants to be consulted if they feel that they need to between now and when that comes back? Are we able to do that tonight? It's not a full ad hoc committee. I'm sorry. Because the there was an ad hoc committee, but it's not fully constituted at the moment.
You can appoint somebody to involved in negotiations.
If you have one council member that still on ad hoc, but it's not
Helping that process along
and just recognizing that will that will slow things down. I'm not discouraging it if the council wants to have involvement absolutely But adding more calendars to the meetings makes it slower, not faster I
Just feel that we need to trust staff to do what they've been doing for years to bring this together. When we put out the RFP, we didn't get a lot of great options and none of them have much money. This is an entity that actually has the resources to follow through on a contract that's going to help support that building and help the others as well. With the support that they will have for this building. So I just don't see how delaying and renegotiating at this point, when this has been constant work. If we were to ask how many hours staff has already worked on this, I'd only want to imagine what to get to this point.
And to rush something else in the next few days to try and get it by February 4th? I'm not confident. I think that's putting a great burden on staff. It's already worked so hard to get to this point, so I would serve and of course if you wanted to meet but I just am reluctant that that would help the process.
Due diligence sorry but I'd step up Why don't we meet Friday afternoon if our schedules align with all the party representatives? Hammer it out. Let's put on the list what we agree with, if there's things that we don't agree with will separate that and ultimately this council make a decision moving forward so that all parties understand that We're not just putting this on you or putting this on us as a City Council to ensure that we set the right expectation moving forward
I can appreciate that, but this isn't a case of bringing all the parties in the room to negotiate all their agreements. LeapLab has specific agreements to their license agreement that they would like consideration of which is going to take a separate negotiation. Some of the things they're requesting could affect other tenants. I think that puts the city in an awkward position to have a tenant Asking for things that it would affect other tenants.
But again, I'm not trying to play the role of council. That's Council's decision to make as you pointed out Councilmember Chavez but these are separate negotiations with the tenants there might be need to be some discussions around utilities and things of that nature But it's not a matter of getting in the room and all talking about all their license agreements. Those are negotiated individually, so that would have to be done at separate meetings respectively in that instance. There might be some commonalities that we need to talk about but the license agreements are separate.
And just as a reminder, we're talking about distinct portions of the facility. So there
are
distinctions.
I think the difference, too, if I can point out between we all remember bringing the California Oil Museum Foundation together. There was actually an effort to do some programming and share some space amongst the two organizations. That's not the instance here. We're not suggesting that REC do any programming or that they share programming space or any of those things. This is two distinct... Obviously your tenants in the same building you're going to cross paths, you'll see each other But they're serving two different purposes. The California Oil Museum Foundation was going to be involved in the energy pavilion, if you will, with the rig room and some things like that. We're not proposing that and I think that's where the difference is this time around is there's not that commonality of programming or doing those things together.
It's different purposes in the building, if you will. So
it sounds to me like we need...we're gonna have to bring this back?
We need a second to the motion.
Is there a second to that motion to table it and bring it back? And at what secondly keep meeting in.
Second is that the February 18th meeting you're talking about. Yes, one month.
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What I really was hoping is that we would have lots of support for our project and for this, and for the commitment we were making. I'll just be frank with you guys. While I'm a business guy, I'm also a guy that has great belief in the communities that we serve I'll just say that I'm not feeling it. And so we're going to withdraw our proposal. I don't know what the formal process is, but so that way you guys can work it out if once you guys figure out where you want to stand on this and want to come back with an RFP or something like that, we'd be entertained in that. But right now, we'll go ahead and step back from this and then you guys can make a decision.
Just procedurally, you'll still need to vote notwithstanding what was just said.
Attorney, given everything that just happened What is your...
Well, at this moment there's no obligation for RAC to continue negotiations with us or move forward. Procedurally the council is at a point where a second is out there and now is the time for discussion, further discussion or a roll call?
Is there any further discussion from Council? All right, I guess we'll take a roll call.
And just to be clear, a yes vote would be to postpone the item and have it brought back...
To the 24th? By the 18th?
Would you like a voice vote?
Yes.
Roll-call vote Passed 3–1 move forward. Procedurally the council is at a point where a second is out there and now is the time for discussion, further discussion or a · 1 under review
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That will be
3-1 so that passes to table
All right, we're going to take a couple minute break while the mayor returns to the room
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Thank
you.
Okay. Good evening, we're back it's 9 31 back from our short recess. We're going on to item number 11A, the 11 public hearing. City Clerk do we have a verification of posting notice?
Yes Mayor.
Thank you. Declaration of conflicts if any?
Mr. Mayor, I am for a perceived conflict of interest. I'm going to step out of the room on this issue.
Very good. Thank you Council Member Chavez.
And that is because you are a resident of the Harvest Community.
Okay. Thank You. Declaration of Ex Parte Contacts?
Yes, I did meet with them to review the track map and the images of the development.
Well thank you. As
did I.
Okay. Vice Mayor Crosby and I also met with the participants so I also want to declare that I had a next part date contact. Okay very good. Let's go ahead and open the public hearing. This will be James Mason, Economic Development Director. Thank you.
Thank you Mayor and Council. To kind of quick overview, what we have before you is a request for adoption of a resolution to approve a vested tentative track map for a project at the Harvest Development. This project, the map did go to Planning Commission several weeks ago right before the end of the year. And you have before you some of the track changes there were some changes that were made And we were able to get the conditions of approval between planning commission and council needed to be revised.
So those are before you. The other thing this evening, we have David Spencer Bogner and Tim Kim from the development company will engineers. She's a senior planner with them and she's been the lead on this project, so she'll be presenting this tentative map.
Vice Mayor Crosby, members of the City Council, staff and constituents of the City of Santa Paula. My name is Daniela Bonilla, Senior Planner with M&S Engineering and here on behalf of the city's Planning Department. This presentation is focused on a development submitted by LLCD2 who is formally requesting that the City Council consider adopting resolution number 7600 which would approve project number 2025-10-01 for vesting tentative track map number 6091.
The approval of the TTM number 6091 would allow for the development of a 298 residential condominium development on parcels totaling 17.96 acres subject to conditions of approval, as shown on the upper left image there. This project which is outlined in red is located on the southerly side of the East Area 1 Project Zone and is known as Halifax Center
Daniella, were you going to share your screen for that particular PowerPoint?
Yes. I'm sorry. Were you able to see it? No. Apologies. Thank you. Okay. Sorry about that. Okay, so this is slide two. And as you can see here, here's the actual development proposed which has 290 residential condominium units on parcels totaling 17.96 acres. As you can see here in the upper left image, the project which is outlined in red is located on the southerly side of the East Area One Project Zone and the Zone Habit Center District. The East Area 1-3-2 Plan regulates all development in this project zone, so the project is primarily surrounded by land zones CL1 Commercial and Industrial to the south and west of the project as shown here, and there is also a small area zoned R1 Residential Single Family above the railroad and Texas Lane which is also adjacent to the project site.
As Mister Mason was saying, in late November of 2025 design review approval was issued for this project. As a reminder the East Area 1 specific plan gives the planning director authority to administratively approve design review applications which is why the approval of the design review portion of this project is not on your agenda for consideration. The overall design and the independence at Harvest Limoneira Project proposes to construct As you can see on the screen. The total number of units in this project 290 residential condo units with 268 of those units designed as duplexes 12 as townhomes 12 as live work The project will have a total of 3,000 square feet of commercial space within the mixed use portion of After design review approval was granted, this project was presented to the Planning Commission in December 2025 where they recommended that the City Council approve the resolution for BTTM number 6091 which is shown here in the following slide.
So, um, vesting tentative track number 6091 would allow for the creation of 298 residential units, condo units I should say as previously described and 10 lettered lots A through J for private streets and landscaping on three previously existing lots 1 through 3 in parcel A. The creation of the condominium units triggered the requirement that VTTM number 6091 be reviewed and approved by both the Planning Commission and the City Council which is why this project has been brought before you today.
This slide contains a high-level breakdown of staff's analysis and review findings, which recommends approval of project number 2025-1001 for vesting tentative track number 6091. The project request is consistent with the East Area 1 specific plan for the Hallett Center District, which allows for residential development. The proposed configuration of this project is in substantial conformance with regulations set forth by the East Area 1 specific plan Which includes things like setback, height, landscaping and parking requirements etc.
The request is also consistent with both the Subdivision Map Act and the City's subdivision ordinance, which requires that all proposed subdivision maps conform to the general plan, any specific plan and zoning district regulations. Pursuant to section 15162 of the California Environmental Quality Act, approval of project number 25TM-01 does not require a subsequent or supplemental environmental impact report Because the project will not result in any significant impacts or any substantial increase in severity of the significant impacts already identified in the 2008 certification and the 2015 East Area 1 specific plan as amended through addendum number 4. Since the proposed project has been found to be consistent with the analysis presented in addendum number 4, This is the first time that we've had a public hearing on this item.
As of today and pursuant to state sequel guidelines section one 5, 1, 6, 2, No subsequent analysis is required at In conclusion, staff recommends that the City Council adopt Resolution No. 7600 which would approve Vesting Tentative Track Map No. 6091, a subdivision of one lot that would provide for 298 residential condominium units and 10 lettered lots A-J for streets and landscaping Subject to any condition modification brought forth by the City Council at this time. Like Mr. Mason had mentioned, you do have some of the conditions proposed in Resolution Number 7600 have been modified since the meeting packets were first distributed and you should have them in your position now.
So this essentially concludes the presentation. Thank you for your time and I'm available with staff to answer any questions you may have.
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Anything else from staff as far as presentation, Mr. Mason? Yes. Okay. Do we have any public comments, Madam Clerk?
No Mayor, we do not.
Okay then we will close the public hearing and now we open it up to discussion. Council?
The only question I was having is trying to understand where, what area we were talking about. Though my confusion was that it was closer to the 126 and so I asked Vice Mayor Crosswhite isn't there something being built there already? But I had to look at Google Maps to make sure I understood what area we were talking about. That was my only question.
Yeah, so just a follow-up on that because the map that we have is just of the actual development. If we could just clarify for the public because I did see some chatter online that folks were confused as to where this parcel was being proposed for the tentative trap map. So if we could just explain I'm just wondering if you could explain where that is. It is inside the harvest of development that it's, you know, if you could just explain where that sits in there.
This project lies between what's kind of a Texas Lane neighborhood along the railroad tracks and is directly south of the regional Park. So it's on Santa Paula Street And it runs along Santa Paula Street to Santa Paula Creek. So that's kind of the 2 ends of the project.
The red tail project which is under construction across telegraph, which is on the other side, is also 298 units. So it can be confusing. Yeah.
And another thing maybe for the public to understand my concern when I asked a question to Vice Mayor Crosswhite was All of those houses, I know it as Tijuanitas. Like all the houses that are on telegraph when you pass that bridge by Spirit and before you get to Hellick, I thought those were going to be gone. So I just want them for the public To understand that none of those houses are being touched in this development we're talking about. It is all in the harvest property, not affecting any of the existing homes that are still standing in that area there just because it was a concern I had.
Correct thank you
So, you know whenever something like this comes up I usually drive up and take a look at it. And so just so people can kind of get an idea where it is the road that's on the right side of the map. That's Hallock Drive coming right up out of the freeway intersects into the sign that, you know, delineates the area. When you make a left turn it's interesting but that's where the development starts from Hellick and it follows along this, you know, the south side of what was going to be a development of possibly, you know, the college and schools and stuff. But then when you get to the west end that's where you get to the park.
To follow up with what Councilmember Mornella said, when you gets to the west end of that or the left side of the map That's where you get to the bridge. And right now, that's where we have the one emergency egress which goes from the Santa Paula Street or just the left side of that map and it's an emergency exit down by Texas Lane, Tijuana, and then ends up onto Main Street. So then, of course, the road on the bottom is Telegraph Road that turns into Harvard Boulevard and Main Street. It's a pretty big development so it's pretty ambitious and it can be confusing with Redtail.
But thank you for that. If there's no more comments or questions, I thank the developers and the presenter. Daniela, thank you for your presentation this evening. I guess how about entertain a motion on this?
It was brought to- I know it was said already. There was a reason this was brought to Council already. I mean tonight right?
Thank you. Thank you for the tentative map for this. Project that needs to be it's a condo type project and basically we're taking 4 lots and combining
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And these will be all rental properties or for sale?
Correct. They'll all be rental and as mentioned, have its own facilities. It will have a clubhouse and pool and you know space within open space within this development and retail.
And each unit will have its own parking? Yes.
In fact most of them I believe all of them have garages
And will it be like similar to the other spaces? The amenities that are in here will only be for the people who live in this space. Correct.
Motion from Council Member.
I'll make a motion. Wait, do we have to read something?
The number three, you have to open the public hearing. Two, consider the evidence and then three is what you move for adoption.
I read the whole thing?
Yes.
So, I'll make the motion to adopt resolution number 7600 to adopt project number 25-TM-01 for vesting tentative track map number 6091 to merge a subdivision of three existing lots, Lots 1 through 3 and parcel A into one lot that would allow for the development of 298 residential condominium units 6,358 square feet of retail or office space. 7 common buildings and 10 lettered lots A through J for private streets and landscaping subject to the conditions of approval.
Do these amendments, this is for this correct?
That's right so it would be as amended.
As amended.
All right, so it's been moved by Councilman Morales, seconded by Vice Mayor Crosbyte. Is there any discussion? All right, I don't see no discussion. All in favor say
aye.
Aye. Anyone opposed? Okay motion carries. Thank you very much for your presentation and your time. Thank you on online there. Jaren, I'm sorry. Newsman. I'm sorry. No, no. Danielle.
Thank you very much. Have a great evening everyone.
Welcome back Council Member Chavez. Okay, we're going to move on to action item number 12A, Superior to Santa Paula-Harvard Shelter Operating Agreement. This is going to be presented by Jane Mason, Community and Economic Development Director. Mr. Mason?
Thank you Mayor and Council. So you have before you an operating agreement between the City and Superior Santa Paula which is Basically a requirement of the broader financial operating agreement we have between for more The city of Santa Paula has entered into to provide funding to the spirit of Santa Paula. There's a requirement for an operating agreement between the city and the spirit of Santa Paula that defines and kind of underscores some of So I'm going to kind of go through just really quick overview.
As I said, city in spirit is the operations and this shelter as you well know is to address homelessness and supported services for people at risk of homelessness. Shelter location, 1498 East Harvard. It's a permanent year-round homeless shelter originally opened as an emergency winter shelter and is now a permanent home year round shelter. Good morning. The initial term of this agreement is from July 1st, 2025 to June 30th 2026.
We did have a prior operating agreement that was a 2 year agreement from 2023 to 2025. This one. Is a one-year agreement as we look and The other term in the agreement is that any there can be termination for any material breach in that agreement or the agreement of the financial agreement. But there's a cure period so they have the opportunity to remedy if there's discrepancy between operation and what This is the funding structure of the funding agreement just as background because it's kind of the lens that we look through for this operating agreement. The maximum fiscal year funding is capped at $700,000 and monthly base operating is capped at 62,133. And reason we say it's capped, it's based on again performance and I'll talk about those What they provide as far as invoices on their operations, there's certain operations that would not be classified as a reimbursable.
So if they're related to behavioral health or they have other funding sources that are associated with that. The payment condition shelter must be fully operational payments to be processed within 30 days of documentation. The shelter is currently under construction. And the funding is subject to the operator compliance and reporting as I had mentioned before payments, the shelter are current and staff is working with the operate on the current billing cycle so up until last year we're working on this The county also has a reserve fund, $750,000 and that's for emergency repairs or essential facility needs. If something, an emergency arises that they have that as a backstop. And the city submits draw requests with documentation based on what Spirit would give in that situation.
So the shelter operator responsibilities to operate the shelter consistent with the funding agreement to employ staff that's qualified and comply with labor laws and that they maintain records and submit accurate reports. This is consistent with the other 2 shelters within the county in Thousand Oaks, Oxnard and Ventura Both operating agreements and the financial agreements are reviewed by the county because the county is involved in all of those. So there's a requirement for there to be uniformity between all the cities and their agreements.
And then. Insurance requirements general liability insurance, a 2 million per occurrence 4 million aggregate out of liability insurance at that any single incident 1 One thing that has been added is all funding sources are included within insurance requirements and also included within indemnification. And the shelter operator indemnifies the city and the other two funding sources, and covers claims arising from shelter operations, and survives termination of an agreement.
And then the general provisions of this agreement are again compliance with all laws and regulations. And it's important records retention and audit rights of those right now our next step is working with their some standardization that I think it's important for us to. Be on the same page with all the other shelter operators in other cities as far as what their requirements are providing information and So I wanted to put in just the major changes from the last agreement that we had.
And as I mentioned before, it expands the enforceable rights to the county and the city of Fillmore. The last agreement we had just had the city involved but because they are also funding sources and there's liability associated with that those rights were all partners in this agreement. And it expands those indemnification obligations also. Reimbursement is tied to performance requirements and allowed operational costs as I previously mentioned within the funding MOU.
The next steps are for council approve this agreement that's before you, an execution by the parties that would be signatures by the county, by the city and SPIRIT, and then continue coordination with the funding parties. And then. Kind of segues into the last item, which you'll see that in the staff report and in the agreement that there's a reevaluation of the operating and funding by April 2026 to review the commitments for the next year. And what so that's collectively everyone coming to the table by April to define what really look backwards at Through that but I can answer any questions and Kay Wilson Bolton's here also
Thank You, mr. Mason questions from Council Councilmember now
Director Mason How is how is the reimbursement going at this time in the past we've had some delays and problems on payments are I know this is We're We have done the reimbursement to date. There's another piece to that and that's the invoicing
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I do. Thank you. I do want to clarify that finance has taken a more involved role this year, and the county has been very collaborative with both SPIRIT and the city in Fillmore in preparing SPIRIT to submit things in the way that they needed submitted. There was one not a hiccup but in the interest of providing SPIRit with funding that was needed immediately Finance always does a next day check, which we don't normally do. So as soon as we got the okay from the county that they had the invoices that they needed, we cut the check. However, the county had not yet reviewed. So in the future, county has committed to a quick turnaround review and then we will be cutting the check to spirit. We're hoping to have everything done within 30 day period if not less.
So moving forward much more efficient compared to what we had in the past but there are gonna be some changes I appreciate that, thanks.
And one thing to add to that, I think Mr. Ramirez alluded to it and that's that we do need to get with the county on what their process and what their requirement is so that hiccup we don't end up in that same situation.
And then if I may, I have actually a question for Spirit if you wouldn't mind when we I got the report a little over a year ago from Ms. Wilson-Bolton. We spoke at the time and since about the numbers of people that you serve, so I'd like to be kind of reminded how many you serve? That's a question and then another point after. And how full is your operation?
Well, we are full. We have 57 beds and just today we took in a family living in their car with a newborn and a one-year old in their car here in Santa Paula. So let's see through December 1st we had 104 unduplicated people So with 58 beds, 57 beds you know people are coming in and then going out. We've had almost 25 people permanently housed just today we got keys for a man named Angel who's been homeless for 12 years Santa Paula, born and raised.
And he got his keys today. So it's baby steps. One thing in the agreement that concerns me and Dan and James have been great with the county advocating for us. They've been kind of tough on us but they're trying to be uniform as James said throughout all of their contracts. And they want 75% of our population permanently housed. That is just not possible. We're probably at 38% and with two case managers doing the best we can.
So I think on a performance review, we'll demonstrate we're doing the best we can and with all these new developments and affordable housing components being built into them it's going to make a huge difference in our ability to move people into permanent supportive housing. So 104 people have housing. Now we're at four newborns this year and we had 19 children.
Total, rest men and women all ages from one-year-old at Christmas time to an 81-year-old celebrating both birthdays. It's a heavy load to know all of this and carry it because you see kind of a lot of misery But thanks to you and staff being so supportive of us Christie is just really turned our comfort zone around making sure that the Payments are made Dan and James really advocating for the work being done here to the county and to fill more It's made a big difference. So it's sort of turned the corner into being fun again so
Right now, we're doing the annual point in time count of homeless. We won't have the results I understand for a couple three months or so for those stats. This is probably anecdotal perhaps? I don't know how steady it could be. The numbers had reduced somewhat last year, homeless by the time found in our city. What is your sense at least? Is there an increase? Is it pretty stable?
And I know that...I'm not asking for exact scientific but what's
your feel for that? I don't think it's increased. We have a different kind of homeless person now. It's families And it's seniors. There was a time when it was all the street people and people at the river who were willing to give it a try, but the face of homelessness has changed a lot and I believe it's due to food insecurity and it's due to high rents. And we're just seeing so many people living in cars with a newborn. How do you do that?
That's not the first one we've had this year.
My last question is, is it still true that the Harvard facility is the only one that accepts children in the county?
Is that
still the case?
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Like ours, yes. There's a lighthouse that's women and children but for emergency year-round shelter yes we're the only one and dogs. We have I don't know six or seven dogs right now but you tell a person who's homeless on the street they have to leave their dog outside so they can come in they won't do it and i'm not going to ask them to. We've been really lucky because it's leashes You know, they've been nice dogs. We've turned away a couple of breeds that are unpredictable for everybody's sake but kids and dogs yeah.
Thank you appreciate everything.
More questions? Council Member Chavez
It was mentioned before that there was potential partnership of rescue mission, how is that going?
We have an MOU with them. They want to make it effective July 1 and I've told them I'm not willing to wait that long if they If they're interested in working with us, we can do a 90-day due diligence and they'll be coming to you obviously for some discussions. Mercy House is very interested and so they're kind of our fallback if You know, it doesn't work out with Rescue Mission but they're very interested. We've had several meetings and we do have the MOU. Both entities I will tell you will look to you for a three-to-five year funding agreement. They're not going to work from what they said year to year due to the uncertainty That comes with a changing council that may not love homeless people and the problems that go with that. So, um, that's kind of on the table for constant consideration.
And how is the grant development piece?
Well...
In particular Prop 1 funds that are aimed for homelessness?
Oh okay well I can do that one. Spirit has joined with Dignity Moves, the housing authority to apply for $15 million for a facility here in town to take care of people who are homeless and struggling with addictions. And so that would be a 40-some bed facility. We've identified the property where it's through BCHIP Prop 1 Behavioral Health Continuum Infrastructure Program And that would get a lot of people off the street. And it's a rehabilitation center with case management and Gold Coast Health has agreed to partner with us. So, that's a big deal for the community and they were supposed to award by November 28th and they delayed it because there are so many applications. So they're really narrowing down The scrutiny for each one, so that's a possibility.
The motel across the street from us is in escrow with an option agreement with Hope to Homes who are the two men who were at many mansions and now left to form their own. So that would provide about 45 transitional housing units that would clear the shelter. So a lot of work being done by us. We kind of do it quietly because you get people excited when they think things are going to happen that may impact them, but the homeless issue already impacts them and our community is better because of the work you've provided us funding to do. So thank you.
Thanks. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. Director Ramirez did you want to make a comment?
Yes, I did. I wanted to clarify the logistics of payment from what I said earlier. I know logistics is everyone's favorite thing but I do think it's important for transparency for communications council and to say this in a public setting. When I said that we wouldn't be reimbursing Spirit until the county approves, we're only submitting to the county once every three months and Spirit is hopefully getting paid once a month so in theory we could pay Spirit two months and then on third month the county could review something and say Those costs are not eligible. In that case, Spirit is aware that part of that money that is not eligible would need to be refunded otherwise the city would be liable for expenses that we're not getting reimbursed for.
The hope is that that never happens. The county is working very closely with Spirit so that they know exactly what can be submitted both on this and maybe even the next one. They're taking a lot of their time to make sure that we both as the city Before we approve that payment, that monthly payment and spirit what they're submitting is what they're going to approve at the end of the day. But I wanted to just be very transparent that there is that little bit of a loophole so we're gonna do everything that we can to avoid that.
There's another little loophole if I could, and that is we did not anticipate rising costs. Our Workman's Compensation Insurance bill just went from $72,000 to $89,000, and our fire insurance went from six to like 15,000. So those costs are not eligible within that cap unless somebody sees the wisdom of helping us pay those bills.
And I think that may have been a conversation, um, while, while we were in the midst of negotiate not negotiations, but the contract agreement. Um, but at this, at that point, the limitations of Fillmore was one 50, the limitations of the city was 200 and the County was going to match that. So the 700 was the max,
right? But we didn't take into account rising costs. So we'll see. All
right. Thank you.
Thank you.
Any other questions
Can I introduce our board president, Mary Ruiz? She gave me this assignment.
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Any other questions? The only question I have is per this agreement there's reporting that you know is forwarded by spirit did that go to both the City of Santa Paula County and Philmar or is that just now being provided to those three entities?
The reporting comes to the city is supposed to come to the city. And then that's our conversation with the county and fill more specifically, the county is there. They're the oversight on what What funding and invoicing is eligible, and that they're in alignment with their performance measures four out of five. And Kay mentioned one that the challenge of getting 75% of people into housing but again that's a big change with the amount of housing infrastructure that's going in we just there was no place for people to go even if we wanted to be able to help them get someplace and in the next 18 months that's gonna be a big shift. Okay
well thank you. There's no other questions, and someone would like to make a motion.
I would move that we authorize the city manager to execute an operating agreement in substantially the form submitted with the Spirit of Santa Paula for the operation of the Spirit of Santa Paula Harvard Shelter located at 1498 East Harvard Boulevard in accordance with the requirements of the joint funding agreement between the City of Fillmore, Ventura County, and the City of Santa Paula.
Roll-call vote Moved by Crosby · Seconded by Pedro Chavez
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comment? Yes. I'm just really happy to see that we've come as far as we have and things seem to be moving more smoothly in terms of making sure that the payments are happening and the reimbursements are happening and so I'm just really pleased to see that seems to be working better than it had been.
Any comments or discussion? And Council Member Canejo, thanks for bringing that up. The question about the funding and the accurate or the timeliness of it so okay with that It's been moved and seconded no discussion. No more discussion all in favor say aye.
Aye
Anyone opposed? Okay, it passes. Thank you very much We're gonna move on now to item number 12 B Consideration of temporary labor agreements for augmented city services Let me see And that's presented by our scene manager, Dan Singer.
Thank you Mr. Mayor I'll get things kicked off but this is a request that actually came about from Vice Mayor Crosswhite back in the fall and it's taken us a little bit to find the room to get it to you. The concept is working to possibly secure outside labor agreements that would allow the city to have access I don't know if it would always be kind of on-call labor, but it would be to secure the help of outside laborers either in times of emergency, times of disaster. That could also mean loss of employees if there's an exodus or departure or an illness that rips through the town.
We've seen such things like that before And would then give us that, like I said, that kind of on call service. I'll let Vice Mayor talk more about the agreement and the opportunity for council to determine if you want to move forward. But I would just point one other thing out when this request was made, it was before the adoption passage and signing of a B three three nine which went into effect on January 1st your city attorney can explain a little bit more of what that does but it does require us at a minimum to let our labor groups know of the intention and work with them. So it's a wrinkle in the process, if you will.
But with that I'll turn it over either to...
I did want to supplement that a bit more because there are exceptions depending on the nature of the work. That would not require the written notice to labor unions, so depending on what we're trying to outsource work for it could be exempted from that requirement
I just want to say a couple things. So the first thing is. This isn't in any way it one day. Okay. Thing one, it's been all night. Part of what the only thing we're asking tonight We're going to be working with the city council. To so that they can direct because I can't, you know as an individual council member say I want you to go look and see if we could even do this. So this is really, you know, let's look into the feasibility it I have shared there are other places that have done it.
Obviously we would be working, you You know, you need some temporary help. You've got folks out sick. You need an extra hand. It's not in any way meant to supplant current employees. We have on-call agreements for other things. It it's kind of a similar idea only as we start to try to ramp up streets work or It's really to look into the possibility of having some folks that could help us with those things. And again, it would be done in developed if looking into what would be done and in conversation obviously with our current employees make sure that they are comfortable with it. They'd be the ones that will on it as needed.
So, it's really just saying can staff look into whether or not this is feasible?
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Thank
you. Did did you bring this because we have a need for someone has stated that we have a need for those services or did someone offer that surface service and then you thought, well, maybe we should look into it
was something that I learned was done a Gore Hills has done it. I serve with them on other boards also but We could also consider and see if it would be something that would benefit our city. So I just thought I would have us consider looking into that.
Other questions or comments?
As part of the discovery of how this would be implemented, we determined what classifications be, I guess, subject to this collaboration? How would that play out? For instance, public works. We wanna speed up some projects on the streets, right? Most of our public works is contracted out anyways to some extent, right? We don't really do much of our street work.
Pothole repair, that kind of stuff but let's say we had a slide, a mudslide emergency and we don't have enough capacity What would trigger, how would this be triggered?
Well it's a fair question. That's why I say you know I think most of it would be emergency oriented not something that's just routine because we wouldn't have the budget set aside to suddenly just start spending money on extra help so that would have to be examined on a case-to-case basis But your point's a good one. I mean, at least when it comes to street work, you know, our crew is primarily a maintenance crew. They don't do paving or some of the heavier infrastructure.
I don't know if this is appropriate but I do see some members of the union here. Could you give not a lot but an example or two of the type of work or situation where those services were needed?
Can you give
us your name sir,
please? My name is Guillermo Serra. I'm president of Local 585. Thank you and You know these agreements that we have are throughout other cities down south and And the way they use it is for You know, like you said, emergency work, traffic control, sidewalk repair. All the work that is done in our scope, that's what they utilize our labor for and when the project's done the guys come back to our hiring hall list and get ready for the next call out so that's a service we would like to offer this city.
If you have any extra work or emergency work, God forbid. We're here for that. During other disasters like the Thomas fire we had our guys who are already trained to be out there in that element and to work and that was instrumental on getting everything up and running for the cleanup to start. And since then, we've done other fires down in LA where we would send our members out there to go and assist that cleanup project.
So there's a wide variety of work that we can get into and get done. But yeah, most of it is emergency stuff. Thank you.
Did that answer your question? It did. Thank you. Any other questions for Representative? Thank you. So my question would be kind of twofold. It's always good to have a contingency plan. We have staff here that is taking care of the day-to-day operations, something happens in illness and injury maternity whatever, the work needs to get done so I think it's a good idea, good concept to do that.
Where we just finished negotiations this is something that would have to go a reopener or how does that work as far as MOU?
So my understanding is you'd have to reopen those negotiations, but there are periods to do that. I would have to also consult with a labor attorney to really give you a detailed answer.
Okay and we certainly don't want to infringe on the rights of our employees so yeah if it's something we have to do a reopener then obviously get their input on it The next question that comes up is, how do we get the funding for these personnel that we hire? Do we have a budget somewhere or...
No I think it really is case by case. Okay.
Yeah
you know if there was a CIP project and we needed some extra help there might be funding that's been set aside and it's just a different source of labor. If it's a natural disaster we often are eligible for FEMA reimbursement
Is that something within your purview as city manager, an authorization to spend money like that? It can be if it's during a declared
emergency. But that would be the only exception.
Other than that it would have to come before a decision for funding? Right. Of course sir.
Mayor.
Your name sir?
Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Jose Garcia. I also am a representative for La Una. It's just having an extra workforce at hand without having to set out a contract in an emergency. You can call the local, we need 15 guys ASAP. We get them together instead of you having to put an RFP out or a contract, having to wait and so it's kind of like we would be unapproved Contractor for the company something like that. Sorry I tripped Yeah, so it's just a labor pool and it's available to you with no with no Cost no cost yeah, yeah So until you use it You have to pay for it But until then we're there for you and like Bill was mentioning our members not only do we have over 300 here in the city of Santa Paula And two kids that are members and proud of it.
We're here, we're local people, we're part of this community and we're ready to serve our community. It's skilled labor first of all, we're not labor ready. Nothing against them but we are fully trained. We have a training school in Asusa that's accredited by the state. All our instructors are accredited. The certification Bill was talking about for fires and stuff is HAZWOPER. You have to have a HAZWOPER certification just to get on that job, and that requires a yearly recertification, and people don't usually have it. Our members will go get it if they don't have it, We train in-house, so no cost to you guys. We will have people ready for any circumstance that may come, not any but most. And I say that because the Labor's Union we're the most diverse union out there.
We cover more scopes of work than any other union. Electricians cover electricity, da name call, but we cover a lot of different scopes in our agreements. So it leaves you the ability And the freedom to wherever you need us, water diversion, mud diversion. I could just a special event where you need people to set up traffic, clean up after to help city people, da-da-da. So it's just Another firearm in your arsenal to have a tool. Thank you.
I'm tired. I was in the meeting till 1 30 till 1130 in Moreno Valley last night, so I'm running on fumes But yeah, I just wanted to make sure that you guys know that and know that the the trades we are this the Backbone where we pick up where schools drop off? We're Our high school people aren't able to go to school or don't have the ability or grades to go to college. They come to us and we make community members, we make them great taxpayers. We train our people by you engaging with us, you'd also engage in apprenticeship. Apprenticeship is so important and it's required on public works projects and stuff. That's besides the point, but I just wanted to make sure that you guys know that we are a part of this community. I've lived in Santa Paula my whole life, you guys know, and I love it!
Had chance to move many times and I won't. They tell me what do you love about Santa Paula?
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Thank you very much for your
comments.
Chief Williams, I saw that sparked your attention for a second. Did you just look up or do you have anything you want to add? Okay, very good thank
you.
Is this just a direction to direct staff? How's the council feel everybody in agreement to redirect it to staff to come back with
research and timeline potentially because that might affect our labor negotiation or reopening them
And maybe also contact the referred cities and see how it functions with them, what their process is rather than reinventing ourselves. Is
that enough information Mr. Singer? Very good. All right thank you very much for your input. Thank you very much for your time gentlemen. Okay yes thank you okay that's 12B we're gonna move on to 12C. Yes a review of City Council recognition policy.
Mr. Mayor, this might be a good time to just do a check in since your meeting policies is that if you're going to go past 1030 that we need I think it's a four-fifths vote of the council?
Would somebody like to make a motion to extend the meeting past 1030 or not?
So we don't have to carry over anything on each other. I would make that motion.
OK, so we move to carry on past 10-30. Is there a second?
I'll second it.
Okay. Any discussion?
Yeah, the only request that I would have is that maybe we consider just sort of doing a look at this last item and then maybe just if there's stuff that we want staff to come back with either in a study session or a meeting but just that we kind of just try to touch on this last item.
Sure. Very good. Okay so moved and seconded by Council Member Cornejo and seconded by Council Member Ornelas. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Okay, let's go past 1030. And Mr. Singer? And I think that might be a good segue into just an overview and see if the council is okay with maybe a future study session.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This request was made during the time we were doing all the workshops with council on the procedural guidelines that since we're reviewing the council guidelines it'd be appropriate to also revisit The city's recognition policy, the policies only been in effect for 2 and a half years. And so we've kind of been road test testing it if you will.
And I've identified in the staff report some, you know, maybe fairly obvious areas where we have had practices that haven't been spelled out in this policy not that they have to be really at Decide to adjourn a meeting in someone's honor. If you want some criteria as to who that should be, or is it okay that any council member just can offer up a name? Or if you're doing recognition of businesses we've had number of solicitations from businesses about recognizing them There's not really specific mention of those kinds of milestones in our policy. Should that be included or should it be excluded?
And then finally, this last year Councilmember Chavez is as acting mayor Did kind of a more attractive certificate to give to people than our kind of standard, drier one. It was a little more appealing especially to youth or members of the community. Kind of called it the Mayor's Awards but there is no recognition in your policy for having Mayor's Awards. It doesn't say you can't. Doesn't have criteria for how you would do that.
So we brought this back before you to consider whether there's, you know, whether it's time to do some amending. And that could either be discussed at a study session or we could bring it back on a lighter agenda so that it's not 1030 at night when people are a little fresher and... We
have to go to
Sacramento. ...and you and I have to leave in about 6 hours?
Yeah. How much time do you think we would need for this? I
would point out a lot of the policy has been helpful and has been working. So this doesn't, I don't think this needs to be an overhaul. It's about fine tuning.
Yeah because there is even the part about the mayor has discretion but then if he or she needs an opinion, he or she can go to the vice mayor. And they can come to a consensus they can go to the entire council. But if you had something spelled out with criteria it sure would make it a lot easier. Yeah. You know, just years ago we... you serve on the City Council and you don't get a city tile. You spend four years of your life here but our policy said you have to be here five years so you have to run a second term to get a tile.
Right.
So we changed that and that's just a little bit of an honor to serve here. Yeah. And it's those little things that mean a lot to people and means a lot to employees and that's why we do our recognition for our employees. You know milestones.
Sorry You got it anyway, he gives you the chance
would it be the preference ended to do it at a study session Um, how does the council feel?
Yeah Sure. Oh absolutely And it's not urgent, but I think sooner than later would be best. Because then after that, it has to obviously go into effect.
Yeah. It would be at least March. We have two study sessions in February already. That would be fine. Great. If that's the consensus, I'll plan to
reach it. In the absence of a policy there is a standing The only question that I had was just to be clear, are we wanting
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Staff to bring back suggested language for the areas that are here or are we going to discuss what that language might look like at the study session?
Well, I think that you know instead of reinventing the wheel. I think there's other cities that may have things in place. I don't think it would take much to See what other cities do
your policy was based on some some research but We could gladly do a little a little further digging I
mean
It'll be our decision. Right, but I guess I was just thinking it might be helpful if we had at least something to look at so that we can have one study session and then hopefully be able to adopt a final document instead of having a study session and then we have the language and then we end up spending a long time. I think that would just be helpful because as long as we're all sort of in agreement some language around these general areas Then I think that if we could have something to look at as kind of a rough example, then we can do some fine tuning, have some discussion and then.
Okay, is
that enough direction Mr. Sanger?
Yeah I would just say that you know there's some aspects because this is really entirely the council's purview you know these are ceremonial things so we can offer suggestions but I'm gonna pull short of making recommendations or offering language that marries you to You know one direction or another okay
I mean, I think it'll be a study session. So that would be inappropriate not to have like, but there's some direction.
Yeah. You know and if we're going to be here in an hour if there's something else that comes up, we might do it next week instead of having a study session every month. OK? Very good. Thank you everybody. Now we
move on to item 13, 13A future agenda items.
Mr. Mayor and members of the council just a couple of notes one is that for public's sake the council has an opportunity on Monday at 6 o'clock to meet that's a closed session item a follow-up six month follow up to the city managers performance review You'll have your normal meetings in February. And then finally, Mayor Juarez has suggested a discussion item that's before you. I'll let him explain that, but it's an agenda request
from a council member. Thank you, Mr. Singer. So it was actually a year ago that we were at the League of California Cities and I forgot which city it was now, but there are cities especially college towns have adopted electric vehicle, electric bicycle and scooter ordinances and policies because of the increase that we have now. And not only is there the increase with motorized for young children, but there's also the ability for people to modify their vehicles I think it's important to And those kind of things. I've heard from a few people of near collisions in town, people just doing things because probably they don't know or they just don't follow it. And so I wrote in here that because of the increase of all these vehicles there should be...
Let me just read this. There's an increase of electrically driven motorcycle bicycle scooters on our roadways and sidewalks. The majority of the riders are either young adults, adults who understand the rules of the road In addition to the mature riders are pre-teen or even children riding on these, or driving these electric powered vehicles. Many riders either do not know the rules of the road or fail to legally follow new or existing laws and rules as they pertain to e-bikes, e-motorcycles or e-scooters. The purpose of this objective would be other cities in our state many college town particularly Have ordinances that educate, enforce and guide riders young and old. The proper legal operation of these vehicles on city streets and sidewalks.
Updating or enacting ordinances in the City of Santa Paula will reduce the potential for injury or deaths of riders of these vehicles many of which can be modified to exceed manufactured speed controls. We can reach out to other cities to review modify or adopt into a Santa Paula City ordinance. Our Police Department and City Attorney can reach out for existing ordinances, thus reducing the overall cost of this research. And we've only had I think one injury with an e-bike that was not a fatality at 8th and Main, I believe? I think it was an e-scooter. Where was it at?
At Harvest too.
Harvard, okay. So you know it's not a matter of if but when and I think if we get ahead of this and modify what we have already and update to the laws that exist now. I think it should make our city a lot safer, especially since we're going to have probably the ability of people to go travel further when there's the ability to go from here to Harvest, Santa Paula Street, the bike path – they're not supposed to ride on the bike path but they do – and other areas. So education and enforcement I think would be a big factor in this.
All right, so we have consensus. Thank you very much and the City Manager did put down that the fiscal impact would be $10,000 as a budgeted yes. Can you talk about that Mr. Singer?
The reason I put it was budgeted is because you've got money set aside for your whole municipal code overhaul. Some of these may be vehicle code related provisions that we would look at, so those weren't necessarily specifically made part of your overhaul and so It's going to take a considerable amount of legal time. There are a number of cities that are already moving forward with age restrictions and clarifications in the law about where they can be used, things like that. So I think there is becoming a wealth of material we can look at and come back to you with.
The one thing I would point out is timing is hard. We're just very busy, there's a lot of other priorities. Monica and her team are already doing a lot of muni code stuff so...
Well, I know in a perfect world before summer gets here because they'll be out in force if we can try to get close to summer. Yeah. All right. Thank you very much for your consideration that's I think the only future agenda item other than what's listed for the second or third quarter. Anything else? Okay. We will adjourn the meeting at 1040. Thank you, have a good night.