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I'd like to call to order this regular meeting of the Santa Paula City Council. This Wednesday, June 3rd, 2026 here in the council chambers. First thing if you are able to stand please do so we will have our invocation and this will be by Carolyn Bjerke thank you
Good evening, let us pause for a moment of prayer reflection before we begin. As we gather here may those gathered be guided by wisdom humility and a commitment to the common good. May we listen carefully speak thoughtfully and remember the people all the people whose lives are touched by the decisions made in this room And may the efforts of this evening contribute to a stronger, more just and hopeful community for all. May it be so. Amen.
Madam Clerk, would you please do roll call?
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Thank you. Just for the public's information there are Spanish translations. Julie and also please if you would if you have cell phones if you would silence them or put them turn them off thank you Councilor, do we have a closed session report?
Yes Mr. Mayor this evening council recessed into closed session under item 4a in the special meeting agenda public employee performance evaluation pursuant to government code section 5 or 957 b1 title city manager there's no reportable action thank you
Thank you very much. We have public comment next, which is item number six. I have submitted two cards here. One's from Gina Mathwin and the other is Linda Basin but I understand both of you want to either combine your time so you have three minutes each, six minutes total however you'd like to do it. So please come on up. Thank you. Does that set to six or do we have to do twice?
It's perfect. We even have it right in front of us.
And you did give us a handout? Yes. Okay, thank you.
Good evening, mayor and council members and staff. We come before you as a small representation of a neighborhood in Santa Paula that we all know is very unique but with its uniqueness comes some unique challenges so we put together a presentation for you to help you see our concerns and hopefully will be able to come to some kind of changes to help make our neighborhoods safer.
So we're requesting that the speed limit be lowered to 15 miles per hour rather than 25. And there's a variety of reasons, but the largest one is the safety factor.
I'm sorry to interrupt. Madam Clerk, the timer is not set.
So the streets in our neighborhood are extremely narrow and a lot of them extremely blind. In fact, we have a couple of streets that are very narrow and blind in certain spots. They're approximately 75 to 100 years old which explains a lot right? And in today's street planning they would be double the width in most cases And it presents a lot of very dangerous situations for us. We also have a lot of heavy vegetation, as you know in the neighborhood so between those two factors there's a lot of safety concerns. So again on page one you'll see that we have no street lights except for four on Say Road.
We have no sidewalks and we only have two streets with a little bit of a shoulder for people to regress to Um, we have many streets with obstructions of sight preventing adequate stopping distances. We have again extremely narrow streets, Laurel, Fern Oaks, Woodland, Los Robles, parts of Forest Sensei just to name a few and we have several blind spots on curves and intersections so our question is do these streets Street widths meet the standards for sufficient horizontal sight distance, or are they substandard and a danger to the citizens at the speed rate that is existing?
We – our streets are so heavily used by pedestrians, which is a wonderful thing. People come from all across town. Citizens share in our enjoyment of the neighborhood. Sometimes they drive and park. Other ones just walk from adjacent neighborhoods. And we have many, many walkers of all ages, all the way from babies up to 80 year olds and more. We have strollers, sometimes double strollers, sometimes strollers with babies, sometimes strollers with dogs.
We have joggers that run through our neighborhood We have, okay let me regroup. We also have many large families with many kids playing and some of those kids move about the neighborhood for classes because they're homeschooled. They have classes in different locations around the neighborhood so they're moving around the neighborhood a lot. There's also you know kids trying to play because again there's no sidewalks and places for them to play so they're going to play in the streets when they can.
We have we've given you a map that kind of gives you an idea. And again, this is just the page four. This is the one that we the ones that we happen to know about those little pink stars are stars where there are multiple family members or their children in those homes. We also have to the side some of the average widths of the streets. Again, kind of the standard when I looked it up for the state and the county is approximately 40 feet wide streets and you can see that our averages are way below that. The range went from the narrowest spot at 14 foot barely to like 22 foot at the widest so we're significantly below that.
We, I looked by the way and I don't think I see the city engineer here but I was looking for what's called the ultimate street right of way and widths map but I couldn't find it anywhere for Santa Paula. But it would tell us what the street standards are. All I could find like I said was for the state of California and the county of Ventura. There's lots of ways to solve these issues but from what we can figure out and then we what we've experienced the best way would be to lower the speed to start with. I think she's going to continue with more of our
Yeah, I'm just gonna add on this. So we did an average of what car widths are. So car widths are 6.5 to seven feet wide and so if our street is only 17 feet wide and you have cars going both ways and you have cars parked on the side of the street, we have no place to go. I mean it's literally there's no sidewalk and we end up jumping out of the way often which I have.
This is I think a pretty comprehensive map What those arrows show are, those are the main streets where we have people speeding and they're going well above 25 miles an hour. So it's just a note. Okay so I'm going to go to page 5 and this is concerns and issues. Many drivers drive dangerously fast at all hours of day and night and many drivers respond abusively. I have yelled like slow down not doing any kind of sign or anything and they will stop get out of the car give me a nasty sign in front of their children They've also cursed me just for asking them to slow down in our neighborhood. I mean, it's really disheartening.
We shared concerns at multiple neighborhood watch meetings. We brought this up. We shared concerns and requested this change at the City Street Safety Committee 18 months ago. Gina and I attended that. We didn't get any, we requested some information and we didn't get any response back. Many residents have experienced or witnessed dangerous or near accidents. One of our neighbors son's bicycle was hit. He wasn't injured but I mean it was still a close call so the question is, is the speed limit of 25 miles per hour meeting the current standards for safety? Or is it substandard and a real danger to the citizens? I'm going to go to page 6.
So, 128 residents of the Oaks have signed... It's not a petition but a signature thing to say that in support of reducing the speed I left it at home and my husband is bringing it so we can provide that. We have it, so we can provide that to you. So we have a... And that's not getting everybody. That was just like going to the neighborhood party that we had and then just going online saying we have this petition. It's not a petition but this signature and we have 128 signatures.
It's a big number in our neighborhood, and a lot of them are with children. We're making requests again hoping to prevent a tragedy in this neighborhood. In addition the neighborhood request safety signs such as children at play residential neighborhood reduced speed. I mean that would help if people saw that. I'm just going to tell you a story. I was walking down Say Road and there was a little boy lying in the middle of the
street. I think your six minutes have expired? Yeah, we do have the information here for you.
One more bullet from June 2nd of 2024 to August 30th 2025 there were 13 reported vehicle versus pedestrian accidents in Santa Paula of these 11 injuries and one death that's the Santa Paula figure in one year. Thank you
very much
Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Go ahead of course. Just for follow-up could we ask that we get an update from the City Manager at some point since they've gone to the process of going 18 months ago to the Public Safety Committee? Yeah. And then for our legal counsel in terms can you just reiterate if this council takes action in future agenda items what would that process look like to put this item on a future agenda? Can you just inform the public what that would look like?
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So the City Council has adopted a policy where items that are not time sensitive, so they don't need action within the next 45 days. Those items have to be submitted through a request form that's sent to the city manager and that is reviewed for basically what anticipated time is needed, what anticipated staff is needed. And then that is placed on a future agenda under the topic of future agenda items and then at that time the council determines whether to place it on a future agenda where staff would then prepare an item.
And if it's something that's urgent, that we determine is urgent and we have consensus. We can do it by verbal? Is that correct?
Correct you would do that during your future agenda items.
I would also just point out that, uh, I believe state laws have changed since the time that this was brought up at the safety committee. So there might be an opportunity to take this information, take the petition and go back to the committee and our city engineer to examine whether there's some different conditions that we could take a look at.
Well thank you for your comment. Thank you for the advice. I did write jot down some notes and that is it sounds like you've already gone through your neighborhood watch address it there You've gone to the Traffic Safety Committee, which again takes into consideration not only speed limits but also speed humps. And I know there's some on, say, road. I don't know when was the last time they had a traffic survey there and you know once they do a traffic survey look at the 85th percentile and see what the traffic flow is there and perhaps that can be done Facilitate with the traffic safety committee meeting to determine whether or not the speed limit should come down and lastly I think Probably what you you've already done some of the legwork, but you could also approach our public works director Our economic development director and also the traffic Safety Committee because some of these appear to be environmental engineering And of course the residents themselves so that's some direction for you
I have all kinds of things I'd love to say, but since this is not an agendized item maybe staff can follow up with them and see what we can do.
All right thank you. Okay next we have a public comment just general comment public comment Richard Rudman
Good evening Mayor Juarez, Vice-Mayor Crosswhite, council members staff and fellow Santa Paulans. I'm Richard Rudman the vice president of the Aviation Museum of Santa Paula board this Sunday June 7th our three museums the Agricultural Agriculture Museum of Santa Paula the Aviation Museum in Santa Paula and our Santa Paula Art Museum are together again promoting their first Sunday activities Highlights this Sunday will be the Kids Art Fest at the art museum, at the Cole Center next to the art museum on 10th Street.
Free flights for kids between 7 and 18 years of age and a trial appearance of the Santa Paula Farmer's Market at the airport on East Santa Maria Street at the Aviation Museum. The Aviation Museum is open on Sunday between 10 AM and 2 PM The Art Museum's Cole Creative Center is open on Sunday from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m., and the Agricultural Museum is open between 11 a. m. and 5 p. m.. Thank you very much.
Thank you very much, Mr. Rodman. Next we go onto item 7, 7A Arbor Day Poem Contest winners, and we have Parks and Rec Director Greg Barnes.
Thank you Mayor, Vice-Mayor, Council. I'm pleased to be in front of you this evening to celebrate our poem contest winners. As you know we celebrated Arbor Day this year on April 24th partnered with the school district in Glynn City it was a nice event and we have an annual tradition Reading a poem and this year we decided we were going to extend that and actually have a poem contest if you will. We had an elementary school division, middle school and high school divisions if you will. We received 30 entries overall and our three winners of each category are here this evening with us.
Olivia Johnson, who's the elementary school winner participant. Millie Figueroa from Isbell Middle School representing the middle school division and then Stephanie Moreno from the high school and all three of them were our poem winners. I would like to invite them up if it's okay with council to share their poem
Absolutely.
OK, so they're going to read their poem and then after that we do have certificates and some things from them to congratulate them on their accomplishments. So first I'd like to call up Olivia Johnson to come share her poem.
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Greg?
Do
I just read it? Trees. The sun glimmered through the trees, lighting a patch of grass. With little flowers upon the green around, around circled the bees. The rest of the forest left unseen. Sprouted about on the forest floor, little mushrooms red and white not yet seeing the light waiting their turn to grow and sprout but out of the forest come little feet prancing dancing through the creek around around the sticks and stones knowing that she is not allowing Alone, knowing that in every pine cone or little nest she is none less. For here she is meant to be. She has come to talk to the trees.
Next will be Millie for middle school
The trees we need. The tree leaves moving back and forth, birds chirping, squirrels climbing. All of a sudden, a huge chop echoes. Trees falling one by one. But why? The air we breathe slowly disappearing. Trees help in so many ways. Animals, homes, shade and food. Let's come together plant trees. One tree is one big difference. Instead of chopping the trees let's save our trees.
And then I'd like to invite Stephanie Reno up to share her poem.
Thank you, trees. Trees come and they go. Trees always give and barely receive. Thank you, trees for the benefits you leave. Oh sweet memories you contribute to give. Leaves of all colors, oh sweet shade. Thank you for the oxygen you leave as humans each day receive. Trees come and they go. Deforestation, what a villain you are! All the gases from each car, all is deadly like a cigar. Trees oh trees people just watch from afar shedding tears so bizarre what an event so subpar Why cry when we can help? Arbor Day, what a help! All the hands that work. What improvement? Zero irk. Trees come and they go. Trees don't stay forever but memories do. Thank you trees for everything the community will help out. Happy Arbor Day
So again we just want to congratulate them, their original poems. But also I want to congratulate them on their willingness to come up and do public speaking because that's a challenge as well right? And they all showed up to do that so Mayor we have some certificates and if you'd like to come down and present them with your certificates and things.
Thank You Director Barnes what I'd like to do is have the council see if they have any words for these courageous students
I just wanted to say, I'm very impressed with all of your poems and it's very touching for me. One that to hear you recite them, I think there's something really special about everyone getting to say their poetry in their own voice and so that was really a special thing. And I'm so grateful that you were courageous and confident and came up here and read those and shared those with us So I'm just really grateful for each and every one of you for coming in and sharing that with all of us. And for writing those poems in the first place, so thank you all so much. I think our future is bright.
Thank you, Mayor. A lot has already been said to the same but they do say that the greatest fear that people have is public speaking so you're on your way if you can handle doing this, that you've overcome a fear that most people have. It's wonderful that you have come to speak for us. Arbor Day and the trees in our community are very important to us, and we have a policy of for every tree that we have to remove or that dies, we replace it with two. And we work very hard towards that goal to make sure that we have our Our canopy in our city and all of that green. So having the spirit of our youth writing poetry about that really helps, and it shows that you're connecting with the community that we wish to have for our residents. I just congratulate you all.
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Well, first of all thank you for your courage to be able to come to your city hall and you're also on television so this is going to be a memory you will be able to keep for the rest of your life. And look back one day and say wow I came here and inspired the entire community of Santa Paula and so keep doing what you're doing because you are the future and you give us hope. So thank you for using spoken word as part of expressing your feelings and your connections to nature and our trees. Thank you.
So Olivia, and is it Noe? Noe. Is one of them Noe or Zoe? Olivia and Millie. Millie! Okay, Olivia, Millie and Stephanie. Thank you very much for reading your poems and equally exciting was the day, the Arbor Day event at Glen City School when either the students there read them in person or they couldn't be there, they had somebody read them. It really added a special dynamic to the day to go over Celebrate Arbor Day on our fifth year being a tree city, having the trees being planted and your poem being read in honor of those trees being planted. So thank you at this point we'd like to come down and we'd be honored to take a picture with you so
Thank you.
And of course, thank you to all the parents that helped make this happen. Mr. Barnes is going to give you a little gift basket. Thank you again. Do they have to stay for the whole meeting or do they get to go home and relax now?
I invited them to stay but I left it up to their...
Okay well thank you. You're very welcome.
Good
night, thank you. Thank
you. You're very welcome. Take care.
Yeah.
All right, thank you now we
move on to item 7b which is finance department report and it's going to be presented by what we have our Finance director but also I believe it's gonna be about Fabian Cassione one of our accountants
Yes, and thank you for letting me steal Fabian's thunder for a second. I just wanted to take a minute to thank the council. I know it's normally the department heads that do these presentations but I could not have asked for a more perfect segue. The same courage that it takes to speak publicly continues, that nervousness continues as you grow so we're really trying to provide our staff opportunity to get this practice in front of you The next two department reports will be presented by our assistant finance director, so we're going to rotate staff who's interested and in those levels that can present. So thank you.
Thank You Director Ramirez.
And just a little warning that I am getting a little bit over a cold. So if I sound a little nasally or you can't understand me, just let me know. I'll try to speak as clearly as I can. Good evening Mayor and City Council. As you said my name is Fabian Castellon. I'm an accountant here in the finance department. Today I'll be presenting the Department Activity Report for the period of January to April of 2026 Beginning with our accounts receivable department, business as usual. Accounts receivables responsible for preparing invoices and receiving funds for various payments to the city for items such as our transient occupant tax, rent for the city-owned properties, as well as providing billing for COBRA and retiree health billing.
And during this quarter they were also responsible to make sure that the CDBG loan recipients received their 1099 forms and filing them with the IRS Our licensing department, which was heavily focused on processing the license renewals in this period. It's the second busiest time of the year for them. The first being the previous period when they actually sent out those renewals. So now they were in charge of processing those renewals The period began on January 1st of 2026 and the licenses were deemed delinquent as of February 10th, 2026. So they were busy making sure to get everything done within that period and they also continue to process the monthly dog license renewals as well.
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Can we stop right there for a quick sec? Yes. Can you share a little bit about the dog licensing Renewals and how that's been going. I know there's been some
challenges. For the most part, as far as I know they just continue with the monthly renewals so every dog license is on an annual basis I believe.
Correct. And I think the question in particular that you were referring to were some of the issues that we had with renewal notices and the information related to where people could renew, a lot of that was cleared up once we were no longer contracting with SPARC. That's because of their own personnel changes. We're having a lot of delays in getting that information That was sent to that agency, forwarded on to the city. So because the city didn't have it we didn't have the renewals in the system so folks were saying what do you mean I already renewed?
But the city didn't have that information. It is now all coming to the city so we've got it cleared up and we also had as you know lots of staffing changes and what Fabian I don't think we mentioned in this staff report but the new position that we hired Also got vacated in December so we had to again rotate staff. So we're finally settled in we have Daniel back in that position He's the one that has been in that position for years specifically with dog and business licenses, so he has a greater familiarity with it So we're becoming on a much more Stable stance
Thank You In regards to accounts payable, in this period from January to April they processed just under 4,000 invoices totaling about 6.5 million. Some of our bigger categories of spending are 2.2 million in payroll expenses which is retirement taxes benefits, 6.6 million in bond and loan repayments, 234,000 in legal costs, 488,000 in groundwater pumping cost 1 million in utility and sewer operational costs. 742,000 in regards to professional service agreements and 1.7 million in construction payments.
And they also processed and issued N99 forms to the vendors that receive them. Purchasing process over 70 new purchase orders and continues to provide support to departments with regards to bids, bidding requirements and responses. Utility billing, which is a bit of a change which will you'll be we'll be seen later with the staffing changes But they do continue to work with residents in regards to payment arrangements and preventing shutoffs whenever possible The amount of notices sent and quantity of shutoff still remains fairly consistent with the previous period payroll continues to train new staff on the time entry process and Processing payroll in a timely manner. We've all gotten paid in in the every two weeks as we're supposed to And the successfully processed quarterly reports related to state and federal reporting, as well as the year-end reporting and filing W-2s with the IRS.
Oh, my slide didn't come up right. I'm sorry. In regards to staffing changes so we do have a new accounting specialist Suyappa Vega who started in February of 2026 and we did unfortunately have one retirement with our other accountant Wendy Morris our longest tenure employee retired after 20 years with the city And as far as duties goes, as you heard Socioapa Vegas is now going to be in charge of utility billing which Daniel was previously in charge of. And Daniel Blanco will be returning back to business licensing and dog licensing which is the position where he had the experience before.
Oh there it is. As far as other activities, the department assisted with the Spirit of Santa Paula payments which was under the Accounts Bill portion in the amount of about $130,000. We have officially closed the RDA fund in this period. We assisted with the Waste Management Franchise Agreement and are diligently working towards reconciling our liability accounts.
And lastly, assisted the City Manager with researching alternative fuel providers for the city And with that ends the presentation I want to open the floor for any additional questions
Thank You. Mr. Castillo any questions from Council? I just have a customer John
you said that we were consistently have had Pretty much the same pattern in terms of the utility bills that are delinquent How is the partnership with Community Action in regards to trying to get any resident that's past due, to get some utility assistance through the LEAHAB program?
So I do believe the assistance for the most part is over at the moment. Most of the assistance that we provide is trying to get customers on payment arrangements just so they can avoid shut off and not having water discontinued but unfortunately since That assistance is no longer available. That's pretty much the extent of what we can work with customers with.
And are we seeing an increase or it's pretty much?
It's it's pretty consistent. I asked Daniel since he was the one doing the utility billing for this period And he said the shutoff notices and shut off amounts not necessarily that it's always the same people, but it's kind of a mix of you know recognizable names that unfortunately do have trouble or but the actual number of accounts is usually within a pretty consistent range and
All right. Other questions? Go ahead.
I'll just ask one question because there was the notice, I believe it was on this last bill cycle, there was a little note and if you wanted to say something in case someone didn't read their little notice on the bill or if they weren't sure what it was about, if you wanted to say some more about that.
Which notice, Sarah? That is just something that we do annually, I believe.
For anyone there who's sitting at home who didn't read their bill it's the winter. He's gonna explain what the winter average means.
So the winter average consumption our sewer is a bit strange if you've never really looked into it but in that we base the sewer consumption based on the winter average which was statistically The lowest months of water consumption for customers in the city and that gets applied year round. So instead of being charged whatever water you actually use through the meter to your sewer as well, we take the average of your lowest for the entirety of the year.
And that was actually heavily requested by the community during our last rate study and the one prior to that. They said, you know I'm using more water during the summer and it's not really sewer related so the closest we could get to other cities use is that winter average consumption. We also included it thanks to the fellows Nicole for including it in the city newsletter. So we're trying to advertise that as much as possible.
Yeah, because previously what happened was you just got however much water went through you got charged an equal amount all year long on sewer. And so this was an attempt since we don't know exactly how much water goes into the sewer it was an attempt To only charge people for the water that's directly going into the sewer and not for the water in the summer. That's just going on to the plants and not going into the sewer, so that way you were only being charged for what you were using.
And most customers do benefit from winter average unless they do have a leak within that time frame but in those cases we if they notice it and they're like hey why is my sewer consumption so high? We'll usually look back and recalculate the average to exclude any leaks or abnormalities as well
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Any other questions? Okay. If not, thank you Mr. Castillon that this is a receiving file for the January 2026 to April 2026 Activity Report from the Finance Department.
Thank you.
You're very welcome We
move on to item 7 C public works department activity report January 1st through April 31st 2026 This would be presented by our Public Works Director Dale Goodman
Thank you Mr. Mayor, Council Members it's always a pleasure to be here and bring this report to you and the citizens of the community I'm used to seeing it projected up on the front wall so I'm just going to do the best that I can without turning my head. So this is a quarter, we call this a quarterly report but it's not really quarterly, we're doing them every four months now so it's just an activity report moving forward and we made the old guys over in the public works department, we made an effort to use the new formatting And it was very challenging for us. I think if we had just turned it over to the young guys, they probably could have knocked it out really quickly. But we did the best we could.
So let's see. Just for an overview of some of the things I'm going to talk about, consultant contracts that we deal with, solid waste and recycling, wastewater, water, streets, fleet. And then the SoCal Edison microgrid incentive program that we've been involved in for about a year. And capital improvement program, active projects and payment management plan.
So we'll start out with solid waste and recycling. Athens, of course, provides our solid waste and recycling service collection and hauling within the city. And during this period of time... I guess it better do this. It's not going to do itself. So weird. During this period of time, Athens collected over 7700 tons of solid waste and 3200 tons of organic waste and recycling materials.
This shows a five-month period is actually just a four month period. They also did a lot of outreach within the community which they usually do. They did a lot of assessments Site visits and trainings. They hosted a household hazardous waste, e-waste and compost giveaway event on April 18th and did significant outreach to restaurants and multifamily dwellings and schools.
Some of the community participation that they were involved in was the Boys and Girls Club dinner. Santa Paula Chamber, they're involved with the Santa Paula Chamber, Leap Lab, the Ag Museum and the Santa Paula Art Museum among other things. So they are very busy in the community and we appreciate their efforts to participate. Wastewater phase one installation of the blowers at the plant, at the wharf has taken place. So the first blower has been installed and the second blower is... The installation is still occurring that started in May it should be complete at any time And that'll be really good to have that all renewed and ready to go.
The city, along with MKN, the engineering firm that helps us oversee the wharf, and Larry Walker & Associates, we met with the Regional Water Quality Board to discuss our chloride compliance efforts during this period and gave them our findings based on our testing, which is done rarely. Larry Walker and associates also looked at those findings and then they went to Some local dialysis clinics, which are notoriously high producing of chlorides into the wastewater system. And they did some testing at those sites and found that yes in fact they were putting a lot of chloride, a lot of salts into the water, into the wastewater stream. In one location they were using 80 pounds of salt a day uh... to treat their water that's a lot of chloride going into our system which uh...
drives up our are numbers when we do our our testing so we we took we discussed what we should do too to mitigate that issue and so we're still working on that working on i'm getting those two dialysis clinics onto a pretreatment program which is normal thing in any community that handles its own waste uh... wastewater is to have pretreatment for any commercial users of the system that could be introducing things that are difficult to treat at the plant.
Chloride isn't normally one of those things, but fats and things like that come from restaurants are a problem. Other industrial components are a problem. But in this case salt is our biggest problem. So we're looking at that, how to get them onto a program and how to further reduce our chlorides. It's important that you know that we're getting very close to meeting the requirement of the state with regard to our chloride limit which is 110 parts per million and we're hovering around 112 so we're getting very close and we feel like with If we can get these dialysis clinics on to the pretreatment program so that all that chloride isn't going into our system, we can probably drop another five points which would get us below the maximum that's been imposed by the state.
The water system, the water division. We have a really strong team in the water division and that hasn't always been the case but our chief water system operator has done a great job in helping these other water system operators achieve a lot as far as certifications go so we're really excited about that. In this city we have five wells six pump stations Which help increase pressure in the system.
Three treatment facilities, 13 storage reservoirs and about 100 miles of pipeline in the ground. And that pipeline some of it's a hundred years old so some of it is really old and some of its of course newer as some of it is really new because It's in neighborhoods that have just been built last five years But across the city, we have problems. And you'll see in the activity where we've done a lot of down at the very bottom, the period activity 43 service valve and mainline leaks were repaired during this period. So that's 10 a month, 10 leaks that require going out and digging up roads in order to take care of those repairs. We reached a couple of miles or a few milestones. Peck Road water line project was completed Really important to the city, Canyon Booster Rehab project is underway at this time.
Park and Orchard, the mainline replacement for the water and the sewer mains that project will be underway next week so we're excited about that. We had the pre-con on Monday and they're ready to roll with that project and of course when all of that underground work is done In any storm drainage that needs to be repaired, when that's done then we'll go in and put new asphalt down. And it will look like a neighborhood in East Area 1 because everything will be new so we're excited about that.
We've had a, there's an issue with cross connections occurring in jurisdictions. We're trying to make sure that doesn't happen here and so we have a cross connection control plan that has been drafted and it's being reviewed and working toward completion. Cross connection is when you accidentally hook up or introduce sewage into your water system Somehow, you accidentally connect one system to the other.
That's always bad. It results in a lot of sick people and so it's something we really work hard to avoid. Another great thing that's happened is that the 330 zone booster station and tanks over in East Area 1 are online now and are actually serving customers that have purchased homes up in the Foothill neighborhood and are living there And at the same time, the sewer lines up in that area are now online and being used. So that's another big milestone for the division and for the city.
397 million gallons of water were produced during this period. 1,250 plus work orders were processed. 420 customer service request orders were processed. New meters were installed or replaced and 375 samples were taken from different locations And that's all governed by the state. And so samples have to be taken and sent to labs, and then all those findings go off to the state so that we can continue to provide water for citizens.
Streets, probably the most important thing to know about streets at the moment and during this period of time is we went from having a supervisor and four employees for roads maintenance workers to no supervisor and just two maintenance workers. And so it was a very difficult four months for this division They still got a lot of things done, managed to stay safe.
And you can see some of the things that they helped the police department or the fleet maintenance with the pickups and drop-offs of police vehicles. Took down and set up numerous events in the city. Cruise night, closures for road work etc., ground down trip hazards, painted curb. They were out there working as much as possible. There were times when we had just one person at work because someone would call it though the other person would call in sick and so under those circumstances they can't be out in the right of way And so the fact that they got as much done as they did is kind of a testament to how hard these people work and how willing they are to get out there and do the things that need to be done.
Fleet maintenance, also a crew that has been shorthanded and was shorthanded during this period of time. We have three mechanics, a supervisor and two mechanic twos. And one of those mechanics has been out for about a year at this point. And so we've been working with sometimes just one mechanic for days and even weeks at a time. Not safe, especially they can't even put a truck up on a lift and work on it or a vehicle on a lift and work on it if they're there by themselves. And so it's very limiting as to what they could do. And yet they still managed to get a lot done. Some things had to be sent out to be repaired at other locations because one mechanic simply could not get everything done that had to be done.
So we're working on getting that crew back up to its full complement. And likewise with the streets crew, we have done a recruitment process where we're going to start reviewing the applicants and see where we can go with both of these divisions in public works. You can see that just by the numbers, how many vehicles they serviced and how many service orders they dealt with.
The SoCal Edison microgrid incentive program, this represents a lot of work, over a year's worth of work going back to shortly after I arrived when SoCal Edison put out an opportunity for cities to do what's called a microgrid, which basically is set up of solar panels and batteries that can back up a specific site. So you have a power grid just for that site, a microgrid.
And so we put together a proposal with the help CLPE, an engineering firm out of Colorado. They responded to our RFQ and they put together our proposal. And the reason we didn't do a proposal ourselves is because basically we weren't equipped to do a proposal that was that technical. So we were told we had to get somebody who could do that kind of work and that's what the RFQ was about. They put that together for us and submitted it to SoCal Edison.
And Santa Paula is one of five applicants this go-around. The first go around there was only one applicant, that was the City of Los Angeles and they got the money that they asked for because they were the only applicant There were five applicants this time, $84 million total was available. We asked for 16 million. We asked for the smallest amount of any of the applicants.
I don't know if everybody's request was trimmed as much as ours or if we were the only ones whose request was trimmed but they awarded us 10.96 million instead of the 16 Plus that we asked for, 16.56 that we asked for and out of that 10.96 we still have to give $4 million to SCE for their infrastructure improvements around our microgrid so that brings us down to about $7 million instead of $12 million, $5 million, that $5 million haircut we took So we're not sure at this point if we can even do this project, but we're working with the CLPE to make that determination and then go back to SoCal Edison and see if it's something they'll allow us to do.
So that's kind of disappointing especially after the amount of work that was put into getting this project submittal done. And then finally capital improvement programs, streets, water and sewer projects. 10th Street, Ojai Road crosswalk the three-lighted crosswalk project that we have been trying to get done is it's been approved by Caltrans and is now granted as reviewing the documents to see what they're going to charge to do the work Which we of course are going to pay for, and we have money to pay for that work to get done. But we're still waiting for Granite to come back and say this is what it's going to cost.
So that's going to happen hopefully in the next couple of months before school is back in session. We hope to have those crosswalks all fully functional and helping kids and whoever adults get across the road safely. Park and Orchard Water Project, water sewer and paving project. I already mentioned that project is going to be underway on this next week and it's a 90 day build period So in early September is the latest that they should be working on that project. So by the time kids go back to school, that project should be done.
It's going to be tough for the citizens of that area because basically there will be no on-street parking once this project starts and so I don't know where they will park but it's going to take up...the roads are narrow They're going to be working the full width of the road from beginning to end because they're going to have to, because of the way water is put in the ground and sewers put in the ground there has to be a distance between them.
So on a narrow road basically it's taking up the whole roadway so it's going to be tough for the citizens there when it's done they're going to be very happy but there's gonna be three months of pain for them. The Oaks drain along Fern Oaks is being repaired as part of the summer paving project. That project has been bid, you've approved the release of the bid and the award of the contract in July.
The work will actually begin on that paving project and We're starting up in McKevitt Heights because McKevitt Heights was part of the two preceding PMP projects and got bumped because we ran out of money at the end of the project both years. So, we had to guarantee that they would get done first. So that's what's happening. McKevitt Heights will get taken care of first, then they're going to pave a couple of parking lots and the parking lot behind the public works offices here in downtown and then they'll go on with the rest of the project. I believe they're going to go up to The Oaks at that point and start there and work the east side of the city And then when they're done on the east side of the city, they'll move over to the west side of the city and get the roads that are part of the project over on their west side.
We did have during this period we had a storm drain repair was completed down on Mills on his action Harvard Boulevard. There's a storm drain that runs down Mill, goes across Harvard and then under the freeway down to the river. And right there at the eastbound lanes on the south side of Harvard we had a collapse of that storm drain. storm drain system. We thought it was just like a pothole, but it turned out to be a sinkhole that was occurring and that structure started to fail. We got one of our on-call contractors to give us a quote for that work. They went out and opened up the road and found that it wasn't as bad as we had initially thought And so they were able to do the work in pretty short order and get that patched up, and did a really nice patch.
You don't even hear it or feel it when you go over it on eastbound Harvard. So they did a really good job for us. And then the PMP, Pavement Management Plan Cycle 2. I've already mentioned this couple of times. That's getting ready to get going In in early July should be done where we're hoping that it will be done before Thanksgiving. Moving forward, we found when we bid this so we got really good bids and we were able to bid bit at this year earlier in the year which is the best time to to bid projects like this In January, February, March nobody has their summer work lined up yet. They're all looking for projects to do and keep their crews busy during the summer part of the year, spring, summer and fall. And so we got really good bids because we bid early.
So next year for phase two of cycle 2 we are hoping to be ready to go out to bid in January And be one of the first cities out there with work for people to bid on so that we can perhaps get even better bids. And I've already talked about Park and Orchard at least a couple of times. Any questions?
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Thank you, Director Goodwin. Questions from Council? Council Member.
I just want to make sure I understood you correctly that the study or the test on the dialysis clinics, that's actually having a significant impact in terms of the results for the chloride study. Is that correct? That's correct.
They're putting a significant amount of chloride into the system as part of their water softening effort and for use in their dialysis.
Okay. And then I think one of the things that I had mentioned previously is the car washes, and we're going to look into that because they run More hours in the clinic. So has there been any debate? Has anyone looked into our car washes because of the chloride levels and the salts that are in the soaps that they use, solvents?
The car washes typically recycle their water and filter it. And then you reuse the water so they're not constantly using new water but they're filtering out the soap and collecting that. Normally on the pretreatment program already and but I can look into that make sure that they all are because there's of course the possibility that they're that they're contributing chlorides. I don't know if the detergents they use at car washes have a lot of chlorides in them or not.
And in regards to compliance What's the, do we check every... When do we check on these things? Like what are the checks and balances for inspections on a car wash and their systems.
I don't think we have a program to go and check them on a routine basis. We can institute something like that if we find that there is an issue there. Yeah, we could do that. What we don't want to do is Ever think that everybody's doing exactly what we want them to do. If, you know if we're not checking on them they could just go back to what they were doing previously especially if
it's costing them more. Yeah we have some older car washes that might not be in compliant compared to the new ones that have filtration systems that use the same water. I'll um... We'll look into it. And then you mentioned the Athens contributions to the community. And it's important as part of the negotiations and Vice Mayor Crosby can confirm what the actual amount that is required, is it per year?
And was that, I think 50,000 based on the contract? Right. And then how far is it per year, per fiscal year for them? How does that work in terms of their commitment to supporting and investing in local communities? Do you know? I'm
not sure. Happy to respond. The franchise agreement does require Athens on an annual basis to make contributions to nonprofits and local events and activities We don't actively review their decisions, but they do report those to us at the end of the year. They've been doing it actually every six months and that amount is $50,000. That's great.
And then I know that you had some labor shortages and previously we had a discussion potentially about the use of temporary employment or support when these situations happen. Is there any system or structures in place so that if we come into these situations, we're able to call someone temporarily in to support our department so that they don't
We have actually tried a number of times to get temporary help. And just when we call and ask for somebody, we've actually had a few temps come in and work with us. They didn't work out well but we've continued to try. And frequently when we found somebody that we thought would be good they get permanent employment somewhere else. So they get snatched away from us before we really get to take advantage of their skill set.
And of course I don't blame the people for wanting permanent employment. So, I think we're getting, we're working our way through this and both with fleet maintenance, the fleet supervisor was reviewing applicants today And so, hopefully we'll have some good applicants there and be able to move quickly enough for them to not go somewhere else before we have a chance to interview them and make offers if we have some good mechanics. And then we have a pool of people who have applied for the street worker positions but because we don't have a supervisor right now To provide leadership and mentoring for new people.
We're concerned about bringing new people in without that leadership in place, so we're trying to get a leader into that organization. And the city manager has been working really hard to make that happen. And we discussed it today. And so it's going to be a temporary situation, but it will provide the leadership that we need and allow us to move forward with hiring the people we need for that division.
Thank you. Vice Mayor Crosby?
Well just to follow up on that, I mean that's part of the reason why I had previously asked for that The labor MOU so that we would have a source of skilled folks that we could pull in on a temporary basis. If and when we needed it, and it sounds like it would've been nice if that was in place at some points over the last year. So hopefully we're still working on that maybe at some point we can get an update on how that's coming along.
I want to go back to The consultants had indicated that even if we treated it pre-treated for the chlorides at both of those dialysis sites, they didn't think at the time that that would be enough to treat everything that we needed to treat. Are they using even more chlorides than we thought or what? How close are we to being in any sort of reasonable place of not having to build Structure is state water quality control saying you know and maybe you don't have all those answers today But can we get some updates on kind of where we're at with that? I know we're coming up with some compliance deadlines, and so I don't know where we're out on looking out to if we need friends to help with our advocacy or where we'll out with that but I Don't know again.
Maybe it's a update for future time but
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I can tell you things that I know at this point. There's a number of factors that are bringing our chloride level down. Every new home that comes online, that doesn't have a salt-based water softener system is adding wastewater to the stream without the chloride so that further dilutes the flow for every home and how many new homes do we think will go online this year?
Well, out here we've got 300 apartments that are ready to be occupied and they've got nearly 3,000 applicants for those apartments. I think they're going to be able to fill them all. And so you add three hundred new homes to the flow, that sewage flow from those homes and none of those people are gonna be able to have water softeners in their units. So that water then is going to further reduce The concentration of chloride just because we're adding more water to the flow. Dilution, that's what it's doing. It's diluting the chloride level.
And then in the rest of over in East Area 1, we're continuing to add homes. There will be more and more homes over the coming three or four or five years as we kind of approach build-out or at least the point where there's just some infill construction going on in small developments But probably if we did nothing except let these homes become occupied, we would probably get there just because of the dilution. But we're going to try and hurry that along by getting these dialysis clinics big contributors.
If a clinic is using 80 pounds of salt a day, that's way more than any of us use in our homes on a daily basis. And that's a lot of salt going into the sewer system, a lot of salt. And that right there we feel like that could drop us five points and get us below that maximum just by itself. Then you add on the new residences that are going to happen and we could easily in the next year be down in the 105 range instead of wondering if we're gonna stay below 110 And so those are the things that are happening.
And then there's some other things that we might, we've talked about the possibility of going back to a buyback program to see if there's any more people who would be willing to give up their salt-based water softeners and get those out of the system. So we're looking at all avenues to avoid spending $30 million on an advanced water treatment plant
Yeah, and I think that's the thing that the public really needs to understand is that we're under a cease-and-desist order. The state is mandating us that we treat for these chlorides and if we don't in very short order they're going to require us to either start paying really big fines or build a huge treatment for a problem that is diminishing Rapidly, rapidly. So I think it's just want to make sure that we're you're keeping us updated as regularly as possible on where we're at how close because it seemed like we were under and then we were back up and So just keeping us updated on that as we go along because we're reaching critical deadlines. And then my next question, and I don't know if this is Chief's Department or yours before he walks out the door but it impacts both of yours is earlier the residents who came in gave public comment in the Oaks.
I know that one of the things that I had asked about a few months back was the timing of our traffic survey Do we have any updates on when we plan to do the updated traffic survey? Yes, the speed survey.
I
don't know if that's your part department that will ultimately contract it. It did in the past so I would just ask that your two part departments continue to communicate on that because it seemed like we were coming up on the deadline for needing to start getting that contract going. So if you all could continue to be in conversation on that My understanding of the state law was we can't enforce, even if we were to change the speed limits. We can't enforce it if we don't have a current traffic speed survey in order to be able to benchmark that off of. So I just want to make sure that we don't go past that timeline to where we wouldn't have options
And we are working on that and I believe Bob, I think he's got that almost ready to go out. So
if you know when that just keep us updated or if it comes to an agenda I would appreciate that.
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Okay I just have a couple questions Director Goodman in your slide you had about sidewalk grinding or sidewalk repairs are those repairs being done as a result of reported trips and falls? Are they being reported by the public or and I don't we have a, we don't have a structured sidewalk maintenance plan but how are they being addressed?
So we find out about those things both ways. Sometimes people just let us know that there's a raised sidewalk panel and then we go out and address it. We don't have, and then of course we have trip-and-falls, and then it's reported. And then we go out and deal with it as soon as we are aware of it. What we don't have is enough people to have a program where someone's going out and walking the sidewalks and seeing what needs to be done on those sidewalks.
And so we're reactive just because of the size of our crew. But that's how we get that data, get the notification that something needs to be done in a specific location and we go and take care of it.
What's the best way for a resident to report unsafe sidewalk?
The, they can of course call Public Works. They can go on the city's website and report those issues on the city website. They can call the mayor or council members which they frequently do. We prefer that they don't do that but it does happen. It seems to be effective so You know, there's a lot of different methods that people can use to get ahold of us. And they can come into the office and talk to us as well.
Thank you. So if they report something on our website it generates a ticket that we can track to see when it was accepted, acted on, repaired? Is that my understanding?
I don't believe it's capable of that. I don't think we're there yet, but we're looking at a software package for Public Works that would allow us to do that. And there would be a file a report kind of button that they could click on and then they could Say, you know here's the problem. It's at this location in front of my house pothole raised sidewalk whatever sinkhole is occurring and then and then at that point then we know about it and they would also have visibility to See what we're doing about it because when someone goes out and looks at it in and then enter some some kind of information you know that had looked at this. This is what needs to be done, you know, and we lack the parts or the equipment to do this work but we expect to have it done in the next 2 weeks Then that's visible to the person who filed the report in the first place.
So we're trying to make sure that, well, we're trying to find a system that will allow us to do that. Okay.
Thank you and finally, you mentioned your slide, the SR 150 10th Street repairs that are being done. Now that's not a combined project with the city and Caltrans it appears to be more Caltrans
It is Caltrans, but what we have tried to do is we went to Caltrans to see if they would do those crosswalks for us. They initially said no and we said but we're willing to pay for them and then they said oh well that's different so yeah we'll talk to the contractor and see about adding this to their scope of work So that's what Caltrans has done. They've gone to their contractor, Granite, I believe it's Granite and to have Granite give them a quote for doing the additional work, the three crosswalks.
Well that adds a new dynamic to my question and that is if we're paying for it then why isn't it getting done? And I bring this up because Ohio Road has been disrupted for months and months. This intersection, the sidewalk at 10th and Santa Barbara our pedestrians are having walk across the Morton Bay fig tree. It's really disruptive and the traffic pattern on Ohio Road can be unsafe. What's going to happen when you start the project at Orchard and Park, and Ohio Road is still not finished? So I think we really need to put some pressure on them because we're paying for it somehow. Hold
on though. I just want to clarify that we're not paying for the current work
The sidewalks.
None of the current sidewalk, we're not paying for any of that. We are only talking about those three intersections which aren't even really the ones they're improving right now where there's no pedestrian beacon where we need to replace the pedestrian beacon like right out here at Ventura and 150. And those are the ones that we have told Caltrans that we would pay for and the reason why we're asking them to do that is that if Otherwise, they're going to finish their project and then we're gonna have to wait five years to do them. And we can't afford to wait five years to do them because it's a critical pedestrian safety issue and so we've asked that they make sure that those get done with this project so that we don't have to wait to get those done but those other intersections?
We are not paying for those. Those are their work.
Well, thanks for the clarification but it does impact us and it impacts our people so is there any way you can reach out to them and get a timeline on when they're going to resume work?
We certainly can. I don't know how readily they'll respond to our inquiries but we can make that inquiry. Caltrans kind of marches to their own drum
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I'll send you some information tomorrow because there's a local Caltrans executive that lives in Santa Paula that actually reached out recently and we'll make that. That
would be great, thank you. Thank you Council Member Chavez. Okay with that, that is the end of that presentation so this is a receiving file of the Public Works Department Activity Report January 1st through April 31st. We move on to City Council reports and if we could please start with Council Member Cornejo?
Thank you, Mayor. I was gone a couple of weeks through all of this so I was not attending government meetings much but I did miss the last meeting because of that. So I'll just report what I've done since my last report on May 7th. A VRSD meeting as a representative for the city. Also same day, senior advisory committee and I also attended the housing trust event fundraiser in Moore Park at Walnut Grove which looked like it was a very huge success as far as raising a lot of money for that organization.
On May 12th, I attended the Santa Paula Basin Pumpers annual meeting As representative for the city as well and then on the 14th, the annual chamber awards. And then with a big gap when I was out of the city, then back yesterday attended the two-by-two meeting which is two members of the City Council and two members of the school board doing some meeting a few times a year just to make sure we're connecting on things that affect us mutually. And that was attended by council member Ornelas, the other member for the City Council, Superintendent Weinstein City Manager Singer and the school board member Tommy Fruto. So we had a good discussion, some of that was talking about those crosswalks and when they'll be done because that affects the kids going to school and all amongst other things.
Oh I should mention as well importantly the collaboration that we have with the school district for the summer school program which by the numbers I think it was over 500 kids that will have in Summer school through the school district and then with our parks and rec for enrichment activities in the afternoons. And it's a wonderful and well attended program that benefits a lot of families in our city, so thanks.
Thank you. Council Member Chavez do you have anything to add from your
I'm going to give my report at the end of the month, but I did want to just highlight a few things just to remind our residents To please sign up for our newsletter. There's always information that's useful I always get neighbors that come and ask me questions about things and they're not in tune They don't know what's going on And so the newsletter is a great way for them to get a monthly update of all the things happening including our Bridge and the progress there to our 4th of July, to the farm worker monument campaign, to our streets.
There's just a lot in there and it's really easy and for you to sign up just go to our website spcity.org and sign up for our newsletter. And then I like to make sure that everyone is invited to the Santa Paula Social Services Coalition community fair that's taking health fair that's taking place At the new sports park on June 20th. And so again, like us on social media get the updates stay in tune because something's always happening in Santa Paula including our fantastic cruise night that's happening this Friday.
Thank you Councilman Chavez Vice Mayor Crosby.
All right I don't know if it's still up but I went to the Santa Paul High School award ceremony at Santa Paula Art Museum, like spam. And we have some phenomenally talented high school students in town. There was both sculptures and two-dimensional pieces of artwork. And there were really, really good pieces. Like I said, I don't know if it's still up, if the awards ceremony was the end of it. But really talented young people in our community I attended this month's or last month's chamber mixer in downtown.
I went on behalf of the mayor to the Santo Niño de Atocha despedida, when they have their closing ceremony. I went this morning for the Santa Paula Police Department Special Olympics torch run They even had a Special Olympics athlete who's here local, who I often see out running around town, who ran with them. It was a very heartwarming event. They had the group that works with the horses and the kids and connecting them with the police department. They were out there so it was just really heartwarming. Some of the sponsors of it came out to some ran with them, some saw them off. We had community members that were running with them and Hopefully it's something that continues to run every year and the chief let us know that we're going to be getting our own special Olympics torch.
That's gonna be there in the police department, so that was a great time this morning. I had a Clean Power Alliance Executive Committee meeting but I'm gonna wait and report out after the meeting tomorrow because we have our actual board meeting tomorrow. I had three meetings for the Southern California Association of Governments but I'm gonna report out just on the legislative communications We're still waiting as of our meeting last 2002 which is so large a spill to codify the reap one point planning funding for housing into the budget at the state level and so that did pass the assembly for 68 to 1.
So that passed with strong bipartisan support. We've also had bills that did that and got stuck somewhere in a suspense file. So we're hoping that it will also have a strong showing in the Senate, but that remains to be seen. It's supposed to move to the Senate Housing Committee in June which I guess is this month and I'll keep you posted. And then one thing that is of interest, I didn't get a bill number but we met with Senator Ben Allen he met with our committee And he was telling us that they're working on mobile home park legislation that would give residents an opportunity to match a bona fide offer on a park before it was sold.
So just something that might be of interest for us to watch, again I didn't get a bill number but it was something that he mentioned in the meeting. Let's see. At our Heritage Valley Policy Advisory Committee, which is the committee that oversees the Heritage Valley Express, which is in Santa Paula, Fillmore and Piru. I asked when they plan to be doing outreach because I had told you previously we got that CMAQ grant congestion mitigation and air quality grant to do expansion of our local bus route. And I asked what's the plan for outreach on that? They're hoping to be September or October of this year, to be doing the outreach and getting community input. So please let me know if there's community groups. I know I have my own ones that I've thought of but who might be interested in giving feedback on those bus routes?
I'll also make sure that we announce those workshops when they're going to happen because I think it will be really important that we get feedback both from everyone who will be impacted by those in the community So they're hoping for the fall on that. And then one last thing at the CalCOG, California Council of Governments meeting this afternoon. Just one thing that I will lift up is that they were talking about CARBs manufacturing decarbonization incentive program and CalCOGs opposing that not because they oppose you know decarbonization incentives But because of the unintended consequences of those changes, so CARB did pass those.
If nothing else happens they would have significant cuts to the and I can't remember what all of the acronyms mean but there's three different pots of funding that are funded through the cap and invest program that are in that tier 3 at the bottom that would likely get cut off and their critical transit funds That benefit VCTC and therefore our residents. So we're watching that really closely.
Part of CalCOG's position is, we're not against these credits but then you need to fund these programs some other way because right now the way it's looking is that the programs could go either severely get severe cuts going forward or be cut entirely if they're with the way that the funding structure is set up right now. So there's lots of eyes on this, including our local transportation commission for the potential impacts that it might have.
That's all I have. Thank you. All
right. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I also attended the ceremony procession of Santo Nino de Atocha And Vice Mayor Crosswhite and I got to actually walk the streets of 13th, Richmond and Oak Street. We can tell you it's a little bit different walking it than driving it because you really see just in what condition they are. It's slated for this next cycle of the five-year payment management plan so please be patient. It will get done.
The second thing that I was honored to lay a wreath at the tomb of the War Memorial at the San Paul Cemetery for Memorial Day. I attended the Parks and Recreation meeting on the 28th And I went up to the city of Mountain View for the purpose of 150th anniversary of an Odd Fellows Lodge. And the thing that was important about that is, the city was also recognizing that odd fellows because the Odd Fellows Lodge predates a city by about 20 years. Our Odd Fellows Lodge predates our city by about 20 years. Both were instituted before the cities were incorporated but the City of Mountain View and I was there with Mayor Ramos from the City of Mountain View, our cities were both incorporated in the same year 1902.
So we gave them a certificate of recognition. Cruise night will happen Friday, and just to let you know there will not be a cruise night in July, it's kind of close to the Fourth of July festivities but there will be a cruise night in August, September and October. And finally I'd like to just announce that we will be adjourning our meeting tonight in memory of Judy Phelps, local resident.
She'll talk a little bit about more at the end of the evening She passed away on May 30th as a result of her battle with cancer. So tonight we will adjourn in her memory. With that, we'll go on to City Manager's Reports.
Mr. Mayor before we jump to the city manager report can I just add one last thing? Of course, go ahead. I think we should all do a shout out because there is a lot of graduations happening this week and congratulations to the class of 2026 those are getting promoted, they're culminating graduating from high school college and pursuing their dreams so I just wanted to make sure that we acknowledge all those graduates.
Absolutely thank you for that. I
understand the entertainment at cruise night this Friday is going to be really outstanding.
Yeah, it's a great
pitch.
I play in the Red Rock Road which will be performing on Main Street 5-7 p.m., thank
you. A lot going on the last couple of weeks was at the Chamber Mixer. Held on Main Street at Lilla Fields at the hospital forum that was sponsored by Latino Town Hall. And just to acknowledge, the forum was tape recorded and has been broadcast to help the community to understand some of the issues that we're facing. And the city used our public access funds to help pay for that recording and the rebroadcasting.
The two-by-two meeting that Councilmember Cornejo mentioned was productive and collaborative, and also at our Rotary meeting on Monday Chief Aguilar was the guest presenter so I wanted to give a shout out to him. He did a great job. And finally, we had another Business Connect meeting this last week with Bevy House which is a manufacturer of kind of high-end modular homes.
Made here in town they've got about 50 employees so it's an impressive operation and that concludes my update.
All right thank you Mr. Singer. We now move on to The Consent Calendar. Background information has been provided to the City Council on all matters listed under the Consent Calendar. These items are considered to be routine by the City Council and are normally approved by one motion. If discussion is requested by a council member on any item or a member of the public wishes to comment on an item, that item may be removed from the Consent Calendar for separate action. We have Consent Calendar Items 10A through 10D. Do we have any public comments on any of those?
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No we do not.
Thank
you. Is
there any... Is anyone going to ask a question?
I just, my apologies Madam Clerk, I usually try to get you my clerical edits before the meeting. Can I just give it to her after or do you want me to read it into the room?
You can give it to her after please.
Okay so I just have one clerical edit for the regular meeting of May 20th so I'll get you that after the meeting
Yes, and Mayor Warris has provided a change as well. Okay.
It might be the same
one.
Thank
you.
Motion to approve the consent calendar?
I would second but note that I have to abstain on the meetings of May 20th because I was not in attendance.
Roll-call vote Passed Moved by Pedro Chavez · Seconded by Leslie Cornejo
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Thank you Mr. Mayor, we are joined tonight as you said by Nicole Garner from Sandbell the former Jensen Design and Survey and we thank her for patiently waiting to this point into the meeting to present. She's going to walk you guys through the nuts and bolts of the program and then the actual concepts themselves hopefully we can Have you guys discuss and then come back to us with a recommendation on how you would like to proceed.
So, with that I'll hand it off to Nicole as she has the presentation and we'll take questions at the end.
Hello, if you don't mind is this on? It's on now. Okay I am just going to sit because I have a lot of paper and notes that I will have to take for the results of this meeting but I'm here and I am happy to present thank you for the introduction and I know you've been sitting for a long time so I'm just gonna go ahead and get right into it So this is the East Harvard infill site Conceptual infill redevelopment action plan or IRAP as I will continue to call it through Okay, oh that's a big difference all right Thank you Or the IRAP as I'll be referring to it for the rest of our the presentation.
So today I'm going to first give you some context for why we're here in case you're not already familiar, and then I will give an overview of our conceptual design process and how we got to the resulting concepts that are before you today. And then I'll go ahead and walk you through the concepts and answer any questions. So VCOG's Regional Early Action Planning, or REAP 2.0 is a partnership program with SCAG.
VCOG is working with multiple local jurisdictions throughout the county to identify sites that are suitable for affordable housing mixed use redevelopment and transit oriented development. And concept studies and an IRAP are being prepared for all of those. So the city has chosen the Harvard Infill Redevelopment Site as their chosen site for the IRAP. As part of this program, all of the concepts that we're presenting today must result in measurable outcomes to accelerating supply choice and affordability of housing, affirmatively furthering fair housing and reducing VMT Here are those objectives in a little bit more detail. So all of the concepts that are before you today, this is the goal of the concepts is to provide market rate and affordable multifamily housing mixed use in transit oriented development in order to reduce VMT.
So to develop these concepts we went through a couple of phases. First, our office did some background research site context which is found in attachment A the existing conditions and planning context memorandum. Then we created three draft concepts that were used in an internal design charrette activity with city staff. And then we took that charette feedback and worked with staff to further develop the concept plans to what you see today.
This is the infill site, it's bordered by East Main Street, East Ventura Street, and East Harvard Boulevard. It's a privately owned property providing truck maintenance and repair services for semi trucks and commercial vehicles. There is a medical clinic located on the same parcel, it's up in the northwest corner. And there is also an approximately 60 foot two cell tower in the center of the property which I'll show you a photo of in the next slide.
There are two existing bus stops that serve the property and two stops that are directly adjacent from the property operated by Valley Express Dial-A-Ride and Valley Express Bus Routes A & B. So here is some images of the site as it exists now in the top left corner you'll see the medical clinic Top right are some of the existing structures on the truck site.
And then obviously at the bottom, you'll see some trucks in the lot and then the bottom right is a view of the Harvard Boulevard frontage and that existing crosswalk that is there. The site is zoned commercial light industrial and it is generally surrounded by commercial and industrial zoning With open space to the south and some residential to the west, there are also a couple of residences to the east in the general commercial zone.
So during the charrette staff was given a presentation like a long version of what you just went through of the existing site characteristics and they were presented with the draft concept plans for review. These are images Of the draft concept plans and staff's markups and comments on them. At the end of the charrette, we asked staff to present their thoughts and comments for an informal internal discussion.
And we gained consensus on these takeaways and decided that at least one or all of the concepts should address these so There was a desire for a new intersection with Harding Park to increase pedestrian visibility and safety, and also to help the flow of traffic leaving Harding Park during peak periods. There was a desire to provide community serving commercial uses that could serve as a third place or gathering space for the community or those also visiting Harding Park.
There was also a desire for senior housing opportunities and more open space. So following the charrette, our office took these takeaways with the continued coordination of staff and further refined the three concepts to create what is now before you. And so now I'll kind of give you a review of each of the concepts. But before I do, I'd like to make a couple of notes that kind of pertain to all of the concepts. All of these concepts provide or propose a signalized intersection with the park.
You'll see that they all also propose enhanced bus stops including bus turnout seating and amenities nearby for bus patrons. All concepts also propose a residential product but have differing building typologies.
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Okay,
well forgive me if I stumble over my words. I'd also like to note that all of the concepts imagine a restaurant as the primary commercial use This is partly due to the code and parking requirements. We thought it would be more helpful for us to imagine something that would take up a lot of space so that if a developer were to come in the future, they would have more room to play with rather than us design small then want to come in with something larger and be constrained with space.
So this is concept one. It's focus is on providing senior housing and dense multifamily residential housing along with a commercial use for community benefit. It proposes a new private street that would bisect the site and create a signalized intersection with Harding Park. The street is aligned in a way that would allow subdivision if that was a desire, So the private street could become public and that would create the right of way.
And then you can draw a property line between the two parking lots on the west side, and you could draw another parking lot between buildings D and C for example. This concept explores the use of podium buildings to maximize unit density. One driveway entrance into a first floor parking garage and then residential units on the second and third floors, that's describing Buildings B and C.
And Building D is an apartment building with tech under parking. And building A is senior housing with its own dedicated parking lot. This is a massing model of concept one, you'll see the concept buildings in white and surrounding buildings in gray just to try to give some scale as to what three-story building would look like next to the existing buildings. The existing buildings, their height was estimated from Google Earth so they're not exact but they are pretty close and you'll also notice that on each of the white buildings there is a horizontal line and that dictates the floor. So where you see three floors you'll see two floors or you'll see a single story This is concept two.
This concept, the goal was to retain the existing medical center and cell tower in the center of the site. The cell tower is in the center of that dashed circle. And then we're also proposing to develop the rest of the site for new senior housing and commercial uses. So this one does not propose a new private street, but it retains the new signalized intersection.
And again, senior housing is located in the north side near Main Street bus stop Multifamily is focused towards the west side and commercial is generally located in the center nearest the Harvard Boulevard bus stop. The multifamily residential product in this concept is, they are two and three story apartment buildings with tuck under garages and covered parking. They could have internal and or external unit access.
And just a note that the triangles on the site plan indicate garage parking spaces. This is concept three. The focus for this concept is on redeveloping the entire site but replacing the existing medical clinic with a new larger facility, providing townhomes as the primary residential product and multifamily residential apartment buildings to fill in some space and bolster the unit count And then a new commercial use is proposed near the new intersection.
This is the same private street alignment as concept A, and this concept could also be subdivided. You could put in some property lines in between some of the uses. This is the massing model for concept three It was developed using the same methods as concept one. So I've got the same notes for that too. Because there is a lot of information, we did our best to summarize it into a chart which would compare the different concepts and give you an overview of some pros and cons that we've thought up in coordination with staff.
This is attachment C of the staff report And as part of this project, as a reminder, this isn't a development proposal. This is a concept plan that could be used if you choose to market the property to developers. It could be used in a number of ways but it's really meant to give ideas for development and land use Generally for the site so that we're there. That's why our buildings are very simple We're not proposing, you know an architectural Design or anything? This is just a conceptual overview with some ideas for the site that we'd appreciate some feedback on
Could ask a quick question. Mr. Mayor Who owns the property
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Yeah, it's a good question. And that kind of leads into why are we doing this? So in essence the REAP program had funds available and they came to us and sort of pitched this idea of developing this sort of conceptual design package for a parcel in town that lent itself to that kind of housing Commercial mixed use transit-oriented development. And they asked for our feedback on what parcels we thought might work, and the first one that jumped out at us was this Condor trucking parcel.
Getting in touch with the property owner proved a little difficult. It's actually owned by a trust and we made Multiple attempts to contact them directly. And we were finally successful and met with the, it's an elderly gentleman who owns the parcel with his I think his sisters, siblings? Yeah so and they own other properties throughout the county mostly ranching kind of things that they've owned that property for decades.
So they're not currently interested in Doing anything besides what they're doing right now, but at some point again due to their age and you know the fact that it's You know multiple people that own it in that the siblings in that trust They may choose to develop it in the hopefully in the near future so we thought that by putting these sort of 75% baked concepts together That when and if that time did come, that they were ready to move forward with some sort of development on that parcel. That we would have this to help them do that at no cost to the city.
It already conveys a pie in the sky what we would really like to see on that site. For the better part of the last year, we've had these meetings with Sandbell And VCOG about sort of materializing in a perfect world what we would have on that site. So that's what's reflected in these concepts.
I was a bit confused because when things were publicized about this, Imagine if you're a worker there in the trucking company or business and you're hearing publicly that there's a proposed conceptual plan. They won't look at it that way, they'll be like oh my god they're going to sell the business right? So that created many concerns from individuals that I heard from regarding hey what's this they're selling the property and so but we're not, there isn't anything right? This is just kind of Putting the car for the horse?
It's an effort to sort of tee up a...
Because this went public though before the owner even knew. Correct? Because it was difficult to get in communication with
them? That's correct, yeah. So we sent letters to the trust which is the only information we have on the property owner so we sent letters to the trust saying You know, we've got this in mind. We'd love to meet with you and get your feedback, let you know what the project is about. And finally it just came down to we lucked out and happened to be there that day that James actually went and visited in person and was able to connect.
So currently they're not interested in selling so we're going to just wait for time to go by and then what happens to this plan? What about the staff time that has been used on something that we haven't even purchased or will purchase, like can we explain that?
I would just say that this is funding that's been made available through VCOG and it's not just Santa Paula but other cities that have had this offer to them to actually do the work. The conceptual work, the planning In the hopes that if we identify a potential property, something like that could come to fruition. That design work even could mentally be, you know it's supposed to spark the interest and the thought to do these types of projects. And look at different properties within our jurisdiction that could be potential for development in the future. But I understand your point where it could create a little bit of concern for the people that are on that property whether this is truly happening or it's just conceptual. So that communication really needs to be made to the people that are on that property I would think.
But it is really just funding that came through, they thought it was going to fall out and it came back and then the whole idea is that assist the cities in putting projects together that would provide needed housing and also working with SCAG, funding through SCAG in order to fund that and making sure that we're also looking at keeping in mind it's almost educational For us, keeping in mind transportation needs and that sort of thing for the people that are in there. That's how at least I understand the discussions have been through VCOG.
So if they don't sell in ten years let's say what happens to this plan? And what do we do with it now? Are we going to make choices about something that isn't really real?
Again, this was a concept and opportunity. I think kind of tagging on with Councilmember Canejo said We have requirements under our housing element to, and almost everything we have short of harvest is infill. This is the single largest infill site we have in the city so it made sense to look at this. And again maybe nothing will come of this but it was an opportunity based on a grant And there was some staff time involved, but it also provided us an opportunity to look at what we had within the whole city because we looked. We provided them with some feedback from the standpoint of the owner talking to him. He had no knowledge of any type of meetings or anything as far as this goes and he had... There was no reaction other than when I was clear with him what we were doing.
He goes, oh that sounds good. He says right now have no interest in selling. I can give you some background. It is a trucking yard which is kind of A non-conforming use and based on the tendency has there's almost nowhere else in the county that they could go to do this type of thing. So he's glad to keep operating that way, but he said you know the clock is ticking at some point in time something may happen with that and it's good to know that there could be something as far as a future opportunity for development but that's it was a free opportunity To do an exercise and I think one thing that was great about it, it provided an opportunity for staff to come together and think creatively. We don't get a chance to do that very often and that was really helpful.
I mean from the standpoint of pie in the sky Disneyland type stuff so this is kind of cool
if that helps. Well the one other thing I might add is clearly the family trust and the owners aren't motivated to do much so they weren't going to come forward and invest money conceptual plans or actual plans or getting community input on what this could ideally look like. So in a sense, this is almost an extension of our general plan, the visioning that goes into what do we want our community to look like? What's appropriate given those sites? What are the type of uses that might be attractive? How does that help meet our community needs?
That said, it's private development right? So we don't have a lot of levers but we can help support and tee things up. And that's what I think this does.
And I did let him know that I would circle back with him and talk about be able to keep them in the loop as far as what the concepts were and opportunities because people that are in their lane are comfortable and know what they can do. This is something far outside that so it may be something of interest to him once he sees where there are opportunities are.
So we don't have to make any decision or choices today, correct?
Well we have options but... Options for a recommendation if there's something that you like better than something else. That's all. Again this is just an exercise.
Because we don' know how long at what point we're going to...that project will come into play could be 10 years it could be 5 who knows right?
But we would be interested in hearing from you as elected officials, are there things about this you hate? They're non-starters. Are there things that you think the community needs? And if so, we'll make note of those and focus in on a final plan that will be more reflective of what our elected officials not just our staff and community members think is best for this concept.
I think the other thing to tag on that is To your point, if this is five years, 10 years, 15 years, different council, different staff. We have something on the shelf we can look at what our requirements are from HCD, what our requirements in our general plan at that time may be completely different but it gives us a starting point.
I believe and Ms. Garner can correct me if I'm wrong bringing this to council is one of the requirements of the REIT program?
Yes, it is. And we do need some direction so that's why we've outlined these options. So you could tell me that you love one plan over the others and that would satisfy BCOG's requirement or you could take any of these options or create your own idea honestly it's really open but I do need some sort of action item.
Council Member Cannell?
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Being a little conflicted on this because of the importance of adding housing, but our strategic plan has the priority for economic development as number one. I'm looking at properties and thinking what would be the maximum use for potential tax revenue as well? So certainly I would think that a property that's the largest available around We would be encouraging businesses also to include commercials so that we've got that revenue coming in. So, so that is a big conflict that we have because this program is more focused on it but it is a mix I do see that there's commercial there as well. But I just think that sometimes you know when we're talking about Rite Aid and thinking what might go there. You know we really need to be looking at things that that encouraging businesses that come in to bring tax revenues to the city as well.
That's the concern that I have. That being said, if an owner wants to make more money on housing and we need housing, that creates workforce which also creates jobs and potential for employers to come to this region as well. But I just would never want to leave out that part of an emphasis on commercial and potential tax revenues.
Thank you Council Member Cannella. So we're tasked right now, the staff recommendation is that we discuss review and discuss the IRAP and select one option or combination of options from the list provided if you look at concept 1 2 & 3 they all have benefits but it just depends on where you go with it right? The one that jumps out at me of course besides economic development and housing is new medical because we're faced for now with not having a hospital you know will this be an opportune location for The county that's given us a bunch of trouble down here at 126 and maybe consider this. I mean, it's certainly something to consider. At least from my perspective, I don't know if I'm ready to select one. They all have benefits. You've done a lot of work.
You've had input from the community. Maybe it's time to explore each one and enhance them a little bit so that there are three viable options for the future depending on what happens. Do we need more housing? In economic development, or do we need a hospital or even you know moving the location? That's that's already there at the facility on Main Street Those are just my thoughts and I hand it off to other council members for input because we have to give you some kind of direction Whatever that might be real
quick. They'll let the site itself There is are there any environmental studies that have to be done in terms as a land? I'm
sure
there
would be
this is going to be convincing housing and is that gonna become a factor down the road what it was
yeah director Mason I mean, it was a gas station for a long time and an oil trucking
yard. It's had trucking on the site for a long time but again this didn't get into architectural traffic studies or anything this is just kind of a figure ground look at what potential is for that site. It could be anything from raising buildings and building something to a Superfund site we don't know. Without phase one and phase two there's no knowledge of what that would be
Vice Mayor. Yeah,
and I think that's kind of what I was struggling with too is because I was like well on the one hand I'm like well we don't know what's going to happen with medical if it's just county county might just close that and go somewhere else Because they've been talking about consolidating. Does that end up with nothing? Could it be a larger medical facility with the, you know, sort of multi-level senior that we had talked about because at one point at the site east of the freeway there was talk about doing that sort of multi-level care of senior housing which we don't have in Santa Paula where you could live independently and then live with some more supports and then have Some assisted living, and then that sort of seemed to fall out at some point of that plan.
I'm not sure what happened with that if it's still in talks because that was all anchored around there being a hospital there and then that was going to be next to it. So I don't know if that's still talk there. And so I think it's hard because there's a lot of moving parts like could something like that be in that site? There's a lot of unknowns in terms of commercial. I had a lot of questions about, well what does actually happen with traffic? And I know this wasn't a traffic study but there's that weird little street of Ventura there that comes in at a strange angle and if you have a signalized light, what would that do to try and get out of that street?
So it was- I like the idea of there being improvements someday at that site. Obviously we don't want people to lose their jobs now And knowing that things might change at some point in the future, there could be some really interesting uses to that site. But I think that's what I was struggling with was with so many unknowns being able to pick one of them and I will just say some of these don't look like they have quite enough parking and I know that there were some transit oriented hopes in that.
There would really have to be Planning done in terms of like the exact kind of housing, right? Because if you have some different levels of senior housing then you might need less parking. Right and so just sort of leave you had a bunch of market rate multifamily. You're going to need the parking because there is nowhere else around there to park. But I think that was some of the stuff that it was just really hard as I was going through this to really nail down one piece and be able to say like, oh, this is the one exact plan.
That I would lift up sort of with a lot of the unknowns and so I don't know you're the planner if if you as you've heard any of this if it sparks anything for you but those were some of the things that I thought about as I looked at it.
Well, option two is to select a preferred concept as presented with recommended modifications. So we could talk about whichever concept gets you closest to liking it and then make note of modifications that would need to be made.
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Question. Thank you Mr. Mayor. If we decide on one of these three options, it's not binding Right? At some point, it's 20 years down the road and they're like oh well. And they remember that this still exists then the council in the future can decide to change it right?
Yes.
So it's not going to make a difference?
No but I think it provides direction for staff in the future when this situation does come up. It's still helpful to know what the direction was
And I appreciate the work that you put into this and, you know. For us it's kind of like you're dangling something that we don't even own and we have no idea when it's going to come in so it's like giving people this false idea, this false narrative that site is going to be something. So I think we're going a rabbit hole here deciding on option A2. I mean, I think we should pick one that provides enough flexibility for them to meet a little bit of everything we want right?
Medical whatever that might look like so I would recommend probably that looks like it's option two
Well, I was looking at one only because it provides more commercial is compromised between open space and Perhaps and it does have senior housing proposed It seems like a pretty dense In trying to compromise with them all, I would kind of like concept one but with maybe not as many dwellings just for parking issues and density. But I like the more open space and more commercial as well so I just think for quality of life and tax revenue That there's maybe some potential there for that. I'll
back you
up if
you make a motion.
Okay. Referring to Vice Mayor. We would all throw it all out if we needed a place for medical facilities because we're so, we're in such great need. But anyway, I would make that as a motion with those would be my modifications.
Okay, so you're making a motion?
Sure. For the one with those modifications of reducing somewhat the level of dwellings so that's not over dense and we'd address that potential parking problem.
I do second.
Roll-call vote Moved by McNeil · Seconded by Pedro Chavez
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well my Contract ends at the end of this month and we actually have already expended all of our funding. So My role for the rest of this task is to take your feedback I'm gonna go back and prepare a summary memorandum, and then I'm going to submit all of our materials to VCOG and That's it for me
Okay And then after that it lives at VCOG until someday that it resurfaces, Mr. Tarantino?
Yeah, it'll live in VCOG and it'll live in our files here at the city as well. And then should anything come along we would definitely trot it out and put it to good use. But yeah, as Nicole said, we've expended all of the REAP funds so any other modifications or further study that we want to do from here on out Would be at the city's expense and we just wanted to make that clear. So it hasn't cost us anything at this point outside of a little bit of staff time, but going forward it would all be on our dime. All right any more discussion?
I mean my biggest challenge number one looks different than it looked in our packet so I think the big thing, the challenge that I had with number one as it appeared in the packet was just that it seemed very much under parked. With the staff reports description of how many spots would be needed in relation to the number of dwelling units and so that was the challenge that I had when I went through Was that had the biggest discrepancy between units and parking spots.
And it's kind of unclear to me, depending on what kind of senior housing that was whether or not that gets you away from needing as many parking spots. So I guess that was the struggle that I was having with concept one That and my concern over East Ventura Street, but I guess that wouldn't exactly be our problem. That would be the problem of someone who someday decided to maybe do development on that property.
By then there'll be retail down the street they could walk there. Big question mark.
More discussion?
Can I provide some information? So all of the concepts utilize a state density bonus to provide less parking than is traditionally required for the residential only. The senior citizen housing parking, I believe we took your most stringent parking requirement for that category of land use So it's based on your code and it should be to code. But same with the commercial, we used the most stringent on parking that would provide the most so that there would be flexibility in the future say if they didn't provide as much square footage for the senior housing then you know there's flexibility in the parking there.
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I mean if that's what you all feel most strongly about, my two concerns were the fact that the medical goes completely away which it might anyway. We don't know yet. And then the third one was 24 parking spots short and The first one was 57 parking spots short. And so that was just what I was struggling with a little bit on the designs as they were, but my hope would be that they could find a little bit more parking because I know that there was one again depending on what the actual mix of parking ended up being.
Because at the home conference a couple years ago, I was talking with a developer and they're like yeah, I can technically do state density bonus and if I'm in LA County, that's fine. They're like, but if I'm building something in Ventura County, I know that I need the parking or people aren't going to actually want to rent my units. So I think that's just the struggle that I had a little bit with the first.
Just to follow up on that with same concerns, I would just maybe recommend fewer dwellings actual units not drastically and half but fewer just because we always have a parking problem and that's just always an issue and that's what we hear most about from our residents. And then the commercial could flip to medical if needed as well, so if we need that space and you'd already have the senior housing in mind for that. So I think honestly taking that into consideration with my motion.
Okay any more discussion? Okay I'll repeat it was moved and seconded to go with concept one which is senior and multifamily housing With commercial and through street approximately 138 units with 8,250 square feet of commercial retail resulting in a density of 22 dwelling units per acre. And the next steps according to- Hold
on
she modified
that though. I modified it with a reduction. I didn't go to specific units
but we're
recommending fewer units than that so to offset some of the parking.
Okay and that's what the amendment offered by Council Member Cornejo. And the next steps according Ms. Garner is that now because you're Funding is over. You will write this up in a document presented to BCOG and that's where it will exist until it's needed?
Yes,
okay all right so there's the motion on any more discussion all in favor please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? All right Thank you the motion
and I assume we will also keep a copy here
That's correct yes, we will all right Thank You Mr.. Tarantino name is Garner for your time
Appreciate all the work on
this. Okay we're going to move on to 11B which is, did anybody need a break or anything? No. We're going to go onto item 11B artificial intelligence policy and it's presented by our AmeriCorps fellow Nicole Aspera.
Good evening Mayor and City Council members. My name is Nicole Ospita, I'm an Administrative Management Fellow for the city of Santa Paula specifically within the City Manager's Office but today I'll be presenting the Artificial Intelligence also acronymed AI policy So the general ask is to review and discuss the proposed artificial intelligence use and governance policy, and to adopt resolution number 7620 adopting the proposed artificial intelligence AI use and governance policy for the city of Santa Paula.
So before I go into the key highlights of the policy, I would like to give a general overview of what generative AI is to both the residents at home and residents here present. Which in this case is Generative Artificial Intelligence also known through the acronym AI as a branch of AI technology that interacts with user provided creativity to generate content not limited to as presented but examples of memos, letters, proposal letters, images, voice memos and music.
Many organizations are adopting the use of generative AI while recognizing the opportunity for a controlled, ethical and responsible approach to use AI that acknowledges the benefits to efficiency while mitigating the risks around AI biases, privacy and cybersecurity. Cities such as the city of Moorpark in the city of San Jose which we're primarily focused on for this specific policy.
So now some of the key policy highlights, I really divided it into what is permitted uses and prohibited high-risk uses. Beginning with permitted uses is anything from drafting emails, reports, translations, social media and presentations as well as research public engagement analysis so this may be something like surveys questions and emergency preparedness support. On the other hand, prohibited high-risk uses include fully automated permitting, hiring code enforcement and public safety decisions as well as uploading confidential information into non-approved AI tools and AI generated impersonation or deceptive content On why adopt an AI policy, it establishes responsible, ethnical, secure and transparent AI use. Supports operational efficiency, customer service and public engagement.
It mitigates risk by protecting privacy, cyber security and public trust. It requires human oversight and accountability. And lastly, it aligns with the physical year 2025 to 2027 strategic plan goals. And that would conclude my presentation of the policy. Thank you.
Thank you very much for your presentation questions from council.
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Sure. So the first just to clarify so when it says appointed officials that would mean folks on our boards and commissions is that the definition?
So I officials were encompass appointed and
elected officials. And a point it would say it said elected and appointed officials so appointed officials would mean our boards of commission correct so worry to adopt this we would want to make sure that they also received a copy, I guess was my was my point because they're not necessarily watching the meeting tonight although they might all be at home watching If something were to be adopted, we would want to make sure that they receive the copy.
I have a couple of just a content or in terms of the definitions, I think it would be helpful if we formatted those like we normally format definitions where you have the word and then the paragraph next to the word instead of underneath so that was just a little thing but a request I also thought it would be good to add to the definitions secure enterprise Because it's eventually in the document you figure out what that means But because this is a new thing, I think it would be helpful to really define what we would mean by that Let's see. I had a question on For the attorney I think It proposes that it could be used for graphic design and visual communications, but there isn't any input on where those images could come from.
So do we have any concerns in terms of copyright infringement? And I know that's an area of law that's still emerging, but I didn't know if we needed to say something in here like You know, we that and only using open source or images that we have the rights to for input. Or if that was something that we needed legally to put in there because I don't you know, if you just put in to an AI tool and said get me a picture of packing house. Well what if you it pulls an image?
That is someone's intellectual property and gets sued. Since that's something that's emerging if we needed to kind of put some parameters on that at this point. To get out in front of that wall, that area of law develops
yet correct. I am not familiar with the area of law in terms of what is permitted under generative AI. What images or intellectual property has been pulled? But I know, you know, We're all aware that it's unregulated right now. So we I mean, we could put in the policy something to the effect of you know, staff shall make efforts not to use known copyrighted
materials. Because I know if you're doing graphics yourself, you have to play by those rules and so just as AI is Evolving, it just seems like we should exercise a little bit of caution.
Or users shall make efforts to avoid using copyrighted or protected material.
And then I also had a question on under data... So there's different terms that are used sort of throughout the document but in the beginning it defined users So shouldn't it sort of be consistent on using the term users. There's some places where it switches over to staff, but at the beginning it said it applied to all users and so I would think that we should probably make sure especially in section eight it completely reverts to using staff I don't know if I caught any other spots, but we could probably just do a word search for staff and just make sure that none of those should be need to be replaced with the term users instead.
And then this sort of conceptualizes that there would be potentially someday a secured like a new city attorney you said It says that there would be users. Do we know, and I don't know if we do or not, but if we had one of those someday, a question that would come up would be who would have access to that? Would council members or appointed officials have access to use that tool and what would that look like?
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Can we add, can we touch on that a little further because CHAT GPT, Open AI. What existing tool, AI tool does the city use? And if we're creating a policy are we going to provide access for people to use those tools or they could have their own? I think it gets a little muddy.
Well, but part of what this policy says is that there's certain information that cannot be uploaded into those open source formats. And so it conceptualizes of if you are working with certain information then it would have to be on a secured source or you can't use the AI tool.
But who ultimately is providing the tool? Because if the city is stating a policy regarding the use of open AI, for instance, then you must have an account that belongs and is a proprietary of the city. Not the individual. Can you explain whose chat GPT or AI tool we are using currently?
At this point in time, the city has not secured any AI services but we've been exploring quite a few. And what we recognize is we needed to start with a policy before we were to secure any of that so there may be individuals within the organization that are either paying personally to have their own accounts or are using the open source and free tools available but the city is not Yet paying any software provider for AI.
So that gets a little complicated because if you're asking someone to do work and use this tool, then you need to provide them access to that tool and not expect them to go online and use the software for free or pay on their own.
The expectation is if we were to secure either a closed network or a service for our employees that we would give them training, give them access, possibly provide the council with that access. It could be a public tool. For example right now our website has a search engine but we could have an interactive assist which is an AI-generated software that would allow a customer to go to our website and do much more than just a search engine.
They could, for example, interact and ask, you know, how do I get a business license? And where would I find that? And can I pay by credit card? And how much would it cost for my type of business? And they would get answers that our search engine wouldn't provide. So we're exploring a lot of the tools that AI can offer but at this point We, you know we haven't done that.
I think we should narrow it down to potentially the usage by certain departments or department level leadership or their designee however you want to do that so that we kind of test out the waters first maybe have an initial account that has multiple users because most of the marketing communications comes from the city manager's office. I would see that that would be a initial first Stop and testing the use of this technology. I mean, I'm sure it's being used now. Right. But we got to kind of refine that.
And then I think the city should be paying for that licensee so that its use is not put on a personal employees making the decision that oh, I want to go and buy my subscription.
We do anticipate that. Like I said, we've researched and we've actually done some piloting Within some departments.
Yeah, a couple of things. One is actually just the concern that it's very easy to use and there are some just absolutely wonderful things that you see on social media that are created through AI. I mean, it's just awesome that you can use for marketing, you see them in campaigns, all of that so we can even market our own city by using some of those techniques but we also need to control the message and as we learned at a seminar at the League Conference, this last conference that we went to.
AI if it doesn't have the answer will hallucinate, that's the term they use and invent an answer. So we just have to be really careful and maybe embellish the verbiage on this about verification of facts before we put something out under the city's name because just because it came in on AI on the research doesn't mean it's true And so we always need to have, and it does mention oversight. But I would just like to maybe embellish that paragraph a little bit more about because of the dangers of the fact that AI actually can fill in spaces that it doesn't have. It looks for even legal cases that don't exist and that sort of thing thrown in. So we need to be really careful with the oversight of the product that comes out.
Just about everybody uses AI already and I think even some of our press releases have seemed to be, have already been generated through chat GPT or similar. And it's common practice. So I'm really glad that we're having a policy so we can watch this and monitor that, and advise people how to take care of it and protect ourselves at the same time because it's a wonder and it's danger all at once. But I do think that we need to really address...and I'll find the paragraph unless you can find it where it talks about oversight but I just think because of the fact that information isn't Automatically verifiable that we have to have that extra oversight
So some of that is outlined in section 10 employee responsibilities Some of it's also in the guiding principles. So are you suggesting maybe the guiding principles be strengthened?
Right, right I just think just maybe throw in some of the dangers of what could happen or the reasons for it sometimes You know just sometimes it's helpful to have a policy that says why and You have to watch out that not everything that comes through is factual or can be conflicting. And so we just need to be very careful to verify what we're putting out once we've pulled it off of the AI sources, so.
Is there a kind of concurrence from the council on that suggestion?
Yeah. Is this something that we need Do we have our employee groups review? Or do we know if in other cities that they have done that
I'm not aware of. Employee groups reviewing the policies, but we could look at
just I've just was thinking back to some high profile We needed to think about as we put this together.
I think the distinction here is that employees aren't being told that they need to use AI as a tool, they're not expected to do that as part of their job so this is a policy structure to put in place for those that would like to use it or in the event we secure services for those end users
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Okay, I just wanted to ask the question because. I mean, I do think that I liked that there was the environmental responsibility piece in here because I do know that that's a big issue and there's a lot of communities that are saying it takes too much water and too much energy and don't put the data center here There is that aspect that we need to be aware of. And so it does talk in here about, you know, trying to minimize usage and especially minimizing unnecessary prompts and, and, you know, trying to be aware. I mean they're working on technology to make it use less energy and less water, but that technology isn't here yet. Um, and so until that technology catches up, um, I also liked that it talked in here about not using it for, uh, you know, sort of the emotional review piece And so I'm glad that that was in here because it came up at the last league conference, that it's being explored to be used as like HR replacements and you know, being able to assess people's emotions and like whether they're happy or depressed.
Or I'm like, yeah, don't really want to go there. So I was very happy to see that that was expressly excluded here. Um, so yeah, I think they're just, If it's something that's going to be used anyway, we do need some parameters in place. And I think this is definitely something that we're gonna need to regularly review especially in the short term to kind of see how is it working? How are we able to have, because there's things in here that require oversight and people who are signing off on them And so how is that working out? Are those processes going as expected or are we finding that things are going out and they weren't getting the proper review, like how were those checks and balances happening.
So I think it'll be something that will need to really keep an eye on. So, I don't know at this point if we need to have some edits made and have it come back
Can I add some comments?
Yeah.
Thanks, so I agree with what has already been said and the consistency of using the same language throughout this policy for example as user is used in some places and replaced with other words and then when it comes to the policy applies to state employees elected officials appointed officials consultants and contractors working on behalf of the city my question probably for the attorney is If we utilize consultants or contractors working on projects for the city, do we have the right to see if they have a policy on the use of AI?
Because obviously their product is going to come to something that we may produce. Do we have a right to see that? Or see if they have a policy?
I wouldn't call it a right. I think it could be a term of agreement to provide the company's AI policy.
Because if they follow the same guidelines we do, shouldn't have a problem. But if they don't have as strict guidelines how do we identify once it gets here? And then you brought up a term that I hadn't used and that's prohibited use is emotion recognition technology. Can you enlighten What you learned about that or do you know?
Well, that's just what I was saying is that they would that it's being experimented with to actually read people's emotions exactly what it says there. So that is like my Worst nightmare sci-fi movie.
So an example of that would be for instance on Zoom, when that was one of the examples given by the City of Moorpark is the expressions that you're giving, the notes will pick it up based on oh this individual had this typical reaction when such comment was made For customer services here in finance for example, it'd be like this caller you know sounded very frustrated and my call frustrated again is another example on that.
Very good. Okay well those are my questions and yes I agree. I don't think this is a read ready sign off. Is there something we want staff to bring back with edits we've suggested? Everybody okay with that?
I think you've made enough suggestions and it's good for us to clean it up.
Are we on a time constraint to get it done?
No, our preference would be to get it back to you as soon as possible just because we are close to securing some AI software uses. What we're looking at initially has to do with helping staff with public records requests. I don't think this has to be in place right away but If Council's comfortable with the changes in the concept, then we would probably bring it back on consent.
Okay quick question was the technology officer involved in this?
Not in the development but he had a chance to see it I don't know if he's reviewed it thoroughly.
If you can just look in potential language regarding Who uses it, right? So in this case if it's being used for these examples which you list, right I think you should know that the technology is being used. Right because if they're having to create their own login on themselves then that information going outside of our control but it's being used for business purposes.
Does that make sense? Whenever you use technology and the conducting of your job Then there's a responsibility that goes along with the employers to be able to provide or pay for that access
Yeah, we had some discussions about that this morning
So just see what's out there with in regards to that piece. That'd be helpful Okay.
All right. So I think this is referred back to you miss hospita, and it may come back in the future a consent calendar item Okay with that all right. Thank you move on thank you for your presentation now move on time 12a future agenda items Sure, we have anything
Just wanted to point out. We will plan a study session for your next meeting June 17th and the purpose as we get closer to the possible Water and sewer rate study. We want to be sure that the council's brought up to speed on a lot of the infrastructure needs in the longer term, capital needs of both of our systems. So that's what the purpose of that study session will be.
Should be very enlightening.
Very good is there anything else? Okay before we adjourn as I mentioned earlier, I'd like to mention that a longtime member resident Santa Paula Judy Phelps Has passed away on May 20th. She was a designated pilot examiner, an instructor and a master certified pilot and also an aerobatic pilot. A member of the Santa Paula Rotary Club she and her husband Clay Phelps own CP Aviation.
She leaves behind her daughter Beverly and as I mentioned before she passed away as a result of her battle with cancer. And so we adjourn this evening in her memory then at this time we adjourn.