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Thank you. All right, we are gonna get started everyone. If you can take your seats. We are now back from closed session. Mr. N is there anything to
report? Yes thank you Mayor. All the council members were present and able to participate in all items in closed session this evening with regard to item 3B possible initiation of litigation the City Council unanimously approved initiation of litigation at this time no other information is required to be reported however once formally commenced additional information regarding the litigation will be available upon request With regard to the other items, there is no reportable action at this time and that concludes my report. Thank you.
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I know every single person in this room knows exactly where they were when this happened on September 11th 2001 it'll be a day forever remembered both for its tragedy and for the unwavering spirit of the American people As our nation was violently attacked by terrorists, heroes among us emerged. Among those who showed true courage and sacrifice were the New York Fire and Police Departments.
Their response to the tragedy reminded all of us the importance of our first responders and their commitment to protecting us. On this, the 25th anniversary of those attacks as a tribute to these brave men and women. We are proud to introduce our community's fire and police honor guards. Join me in standing placing your hand over your heart. Honor guard. Join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. Ready? Begin.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
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Please be seated. All right, item number 10A, the public hearing on the appeal of a planning commission decision has been continued to a date uncertain as requested by the appellant. Next is our special presentations. Our presentation this evening is from the Museum of Ventura County, a center of arts history and culture. It is the largest repository of history in Ventura County and we are grateful for their work. Here to present on their behalf is the CEO Alina Brokaw. Welcome.
Thank you so much, Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem, council members, city manager and city staff. I am very pleased and thankful to be able to be here tonight to talk about the museum. So thank you for the wonderful intro, Mayor Taylor. For those of you who don't know we are an art history and culture museum. We have four sites, the main campus in downtown Ventura along with an archeological museum in downtown, The Agriculture Museum in Santa Paula and offices in Camarillo And as the mayor said, we have the largest repository of history in our county.
We are guided by the wisdom of an incredible board of directors, four of whom are here tonight. Our immediate past chair Bill Kearney, our secretary Al Lowe, our treasurer Mike Sedell and our board member Diane McKay. Thank you so much for being here. And over 100 volunteer advisors. These people who provide our strategic direction come from all over the county. So that's who guides this museum. As for what the museum does, we collect and protect art archives and artifacts that represent our region's unique identity.
We provide rotating exhibits in our six galleries at three sites and present about 30 programs per year. Accessibility is very important to us, and we just reinstated free admission which has about quadrupled the number of visitors we've been getting this year. And here's who's coming to the museum. About two-thirds of our exhibits are from Ventura County. Of that, about half are from Ventura and the rest from other cities in the county. Twenty five percent are from elsewhere in California and then eight percent are international and national visitors.
In education, we have school tours for second and third graders. Tours and buses are entirely free for all Title I schools, and we serve over a third of the districts in the county. Our school tours are given by college interns, all of whom are paid a living wage which allows low-income students to have jobs that support their career goals. These collections, exhibits, programs, and education all serve the museum's foundational principles which are these Our mission is to engage participants in meaningful experiences and our vision is to build community and connection.
Now, that mission and that vision have changed a lot over the years. But what has not changed is our core purpose which is to preserve and protect the history of our region. I want to go back to our collections for a moment. I didn't really talk about the numbers there. I don't know if you can see this in the audience but under archives we have about 800,000 items in our archive so we are taking care of almost a million objects, pictures, slides, maps etc.
And we use those source materials to produce publications, exhibits and programs. And our historical journal alone which hopefully some of you get has published over 600 originally researched articles all from our collections. So using these collections which is what we do I would like to share a little glimpse of what our museum's historical archives tell us about the community of Thousand Oaks.
So you all know the recent history very, very, very well. So I'm going to go back in time and I mean way back in time. I'm gonna give you a short history of 13,000 years for those of you who've forgotten your fourth grade history. So as you know this area has been home to the Chumash for centuries About 500 years ago, the California coast was quote-unquote discovered by a Portuguese sailor who claimed it as part of New Spain.
About 250 years ago in 1769, the region was colonized by Spain and was under Spanish rule. About 200 years ago in 1822, Mexico gained independence from Spain and this region declared allegiance to Mexico. The Mexican-American War was done, and what we now call California joined the United States of America and became a state in 1850. So tonight we're going to start our story—I don't know if my pointer will work but anyway—in that middle area in 1769 when this area was part of New Spain.
I will not speak for you, but I had forgotten or maybe I never even knew how much Spain had colonized the world. So this is a panel from our current exhibit called Parallel Histories and all of that yellow was claimed by Spain as colonies. But even though they had claimed this area as theirs, they didn't have any Spanish citizens living there. Meaning it could be seized by another power like Russia or England very specifically in our case.
So to protect it in 1769 The Spanish king sent forth an expedition to establish missions and presidios throughout Alta California. And in January 1770, that expedition passed right here through the Conejo Valley. And what you're seeing is an excerpt from the Historian's Journal. And I highlighted El Triunfo. That's where that first comes from. That's what they called it.
After this expedition, the Spanish government aggressively recruited people to move to the area. Specifically they wanted married men with families and they wanted those married men to bring as many unwed female relatives as they had to marry the soldiers that they had set up in those presidios. A lot of people didn't want to stay, so to encourage those families to stay the government awarded loyal citizens with land called ranchos.
And between 1790 and 1848 the Spanish and then the Mexican government awarded 19 ranchos in what would become Ventura County. And as you can see those ranchos roughly I swear you'll be able to see it. Yeah, they roughly correspond with our current city limits not exactly but roughly Rancho El Conejo here's a close-up was the 11th of all of the over 500 ranchos that were eventually awarded in this state And one of the largest. The Spanish government gave about 49,000 acres in 1802 to Jose Rodriguez and Jose Polanco. And again you can see how roughly it corresponds with Thousand Oaks today.
Jose Rodriguez and Jose Polanco didn't live on the rancho. They had houses in LA and Santa Barbara. From afar, they used the ranches to raise livestock. They did build an adobe for when they went there for very seldom family visits and things went on like that for about 50 years. The only landowners were absentee landlords. Ranch hands took care of the property. Livestock business was good.
When the U.S. won the Mexican-American War in 1848, the ownership of most of these ranchos very quickly changed hands and many were purchased by people who had migrated from the eastern US. In 1862 two such migrant Americans bought half of Rancho Conejo. That was John Edwards and Howard Mills. I know many of you have heard these names. They continued to raise livestock and began to plant wheat and barley. And they also began to subdivide the ranchos Their rancho, sorry.
And here's an ad from 1874 from the Ventura Signal which advertised parcels for a dollar an acre. Kind of expensive at the time if you can believe it. The community grew quickly. The Ventura Signal later in 1874 declared that the Conejo Valley was destined to be the great wheat field of our county and farming families flocked to the area. The Stagecoach Inn opened.
Invalids moved here because of the climate and the elevation So, everything was good. Now it's hard to imagine from where we're standing right now in this thriving city but after this boom the Conejo Valley's growth and prosperity came crashing to a halt and stayed that way for over half a century So what happened? Well, first of all we can see that this is an excerpt from a journal that we published. This was the sixth journal we ever published in 1957.
The article is The History of the Conejo Ranch and it was written by Joe Russell, a name I'm sure you also know whose family bought land in the Triunfo area in 1880 And his article published about 70 years ago compares the land value in 1957 in the Conejo Valley to the Santa Clara Valley, Santa Paula and Fillmore unfavorably. And this is very specifically what he says.
In 1957, at one time I have heard that the land here was valued equally with that in the Santa Clara Valley. And he's referring to 1874 when Rancho Conejo was the great wheat field of the county but just two years later a few things happened and first there was the devastating drought of 1876 so it started in September of 1876 and lasted a year From January to September of 1877, there were less than two inches of rain. People lost everything. Mr. Newberry who had established obviously Newberry Park had to leave because he couldn't pay the back taxes.
Then the barley market was decimated by oversupply and back to that wild comparison to Santa Paula and Fillmore in the 1860s and 70s new settlers there created water districts from the Santa Clara River and they started growing high value products like citrus trees So, according to Mr. Russell starting in 1875 and still in 1957 the Santa Clara Valley had outstripped Conejo as an economic power.
Still he says the Conejo has its compensations so clearly because despite all of those disasters in the 1870s families stayed but there was not very many of them and growth stayed flat in the valley for decades. So here is the county directory from 1910 We have these in our library for every year. This is a list of all of the heads of the household, all men, in the entire county in 1910. It's about 350 pages and it's just a list of names.
And that one on the right, you in the audience, the right column there is everybody who lived in the Conejo Valley. That's it, it's 38 families living in the Conejo Valley. Clearly things changed. The Jans family was instrumental in the development of the community, you all know this. They bought their first property right after this was published in 1912 and then in 1922 two land developers came to develop housing.
People from LA started buying. This is when the name Thousand Oaks first appeared. The developers had a contest and it was won by a student at the Conejo School that named Thousand Oaks Still, growth was gradual as you can see from this aerial photo from like 1960 which shows where we were and that's the new Jans Mall in the foreground. And then, things sped up.
So I hope this will work. This is a tool that we created using census data which shows the growth of the cities. Now it starts in 1910. You'll see Thousand Oaks is there at the bottom and Thousand Oaks is gonna be pink in what you're gonna see. You don't see the Thousand Oaks start to appear until 1960 because of the census but then look at it go. But it's still fairly slow. And then 1970 when the population almost doubles, and then 1980 when it grows by 50% again as much begins to slow down gets outstripped by Oxnard.
Our data stops at 2020 I think Simi might be a little bit bigger now. I'm gonna stop my history lesson there I want to say again that everything I used to develop this talk was found in our Thousand Oaks-based community collections, which include journals, photographs, maps, articles and much more. And I'm about to close but before I close I want to thank Thousand Oaks for its support of the museum, specifically for your grant of $5,000 that we received to celebrate the 150th anniversary of Ventura County. Thank you so much. And I also want to highlight our work here.
Back in 2023, we installed an exhibit here at the Bank of America Performing Arts Center. We have many residents of Thousand Oaks in our En Foque exhibit which is up in Santa Paula In October, we're going to open an exhibit on Jungle Land for the 100th anniversary. We partner with quite a few Thousand Oaks organizations. We're extraordinarily thankful. We provide school tours for your schools. We have interns who come from here. We provide scholarships for students here and we actually have given out grants to Thousand Oaks organizations and individual artists.
So, there's a lot more though that we could do. And tonight I'm actually here not only to share the history but also because I have an ask. So, I was able to share with you just because of the museum. It's been around since 1913 history that helps us understand how things have drastically changed and our job at the museum is to ensure that over a century from now people can look back and see your actions of today and how you and all of us not me I don't live here all of the community residents impacted whatever the city is going to look like then. And we have a lot of ways that you can partner with us, very specifically I want to talk about a project that we've just started which is our oral histories. We just relaunched that project. We focused on Thousand Oaks residents and this last year we've taken oral histories from among others Joni Young and Chuck Cohen who may be watching tonight So their oral histories, now that we have them in our permanent archives along with ephemera from them, photos etc., will inform people for generations to come not only of what they did to influence this amazing community but also who they were as individuals and as part of a greater whole.
And we will be celebrating them in two weeks and two days. I'm so happy to be able to say for the very first time ever, we have taken our annual Taste of History Gala. We have always done it in Ventura but we're taking it out on the road. It's gonna be at Sherwood Country Club this year on September 10th. This year we are celebrating a silent movie era in our county and we're gonna be talking about that history and where better to do that than where Robin Hood was filmed way back when And we will be honoring Chuck and Joanie that night too.
We have exhibits at both of our sites, Parallel Histories is about what was happening on this coast 250 years ago to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. As I said they're free. I hope you will come. I hope residents will come and thank you so much for letting us come here and talk about the museum tonight.
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Wasn't that great? Thank you so much. What a way to incentivize families, huh? Give them land come here get married have babies free land. I love that it worked and the dollar an acre. All right back to reality now we have our public comments will the city clerk please announce public comments
This is the time and place for public comments. Speakers are requested to state their name and community of residence for the record. Seven individuals have requested to speak in pursuant to council standards. Speakers are allowed three minutes, the yellow light displays when you have one minute remaining.
Thank you. I'm gonna call all in-person speakers first and then followed by Zoom but I'm not seeing in person. Can you call in person for me? And then when they're finished, I'll call Zoom.
First up, we have Henry and he will be followed by Jack.
Good evening council members. Citizenship in a Republic is a significant speech delivered by Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne in Paris in 1910. In this address, Roosevelt emphasized the importance of active citizenship and the responsibilities that come with it in a Republican society. He argued that true citizenship involves not just rights but also duties, particularly the duty to engage in public life and civics.
Roosevelt famously highlighted the value of the individual who strives valiantly, thereby coining the phrase The Man in the Arena which celebrates those who take action rather than merely criticizing from the sidelines. He stressed the need for citizens to uphold founding principles especially in times of challenge. From his 35-minute speech here is the famous quote known as The Man in the Arena It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs, who comes short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcoming but who does actually strive to do the deeds Who knows great enthusiasms, great devotions and who spends himself in a worthy cause.
Who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat Now let's not be cold and timid. Let's get our national motto posted here at our city council. Thank you.
Thank you, Henry. All right I've got my list back up next is going to be Jack and after Jack was will be Scott Bell
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All right, good evening council. Now did you know that we became a nation in the name of the Father, the Son and of the Holy Spirit? Take a look at this.
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Okay, this is the 1783 Treaty of Paris and it's on display in Washington DC. On the left you see that there are four signatures. The top one with the ribbon is David Hartley who was the British ambassador then you have John Adams Benjamin Franklin And John Jay. Now we all know who Franklin and Adams are, but you may not know founding father John Jay. John Jay was the original Supreme Court Justice appointed by George Washington. He was also one of the three writers of the Federalist Papers with Hamilton and Madison.
Now this treaty is a document that ends the American Revolution, brings peace between us and Great Britain, secures America's independence from Great Britain, establishes America as a free nation, and made America a nation in the name of the most holy and undivided trinity. This is the first time Great Britain actually recognizes America as an independent nation. So when people are like, no we're not a Christian nation. They clearly have not studied the founding fathers that well or have not read any of our founding documents. When people say that were not founded on biblical principles ask them what document are you basing that on?
Now here is a famous painting of the First Continental Congress kneeling in prayer Their first motion was to open with prayer. That prayer lasted over two hours. Think about it, why on earth would secular non-religious people even mention God let alone the God of the Bible by using the words Holy Trinity? These were not secular guys at all. These were people that knew that if God was not part of the equation we were never going to succeed as a nation.
And as we're celebrating independence this 250th year, remember that we became a free and independent nation in the name of the Father, the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Now having in God we trust in our city hall makes perfect sense right? Thank you and God bless you all.
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Thank you, Jack. Next up is Scott Bell and following Scott will be Heather Hamilton.
Do I start? Honorable Mayor and City Council, I am here before you again in person this time to discuss what has transpired since last month's meeting in regards to the Airbnb in our neighborhood. According to Anne Brannan, the City Code Compliance Supervisor in the Community Development Department, there are no rules, regulations, ordinances or laws regarding Airbnbs in our city at this time. In my research, I found that California Senate Bill 346 can help with reporting and tracking to aid cities in the regulatory process, but the onus is on the City of Thousand Oaks to enact ordinances pertaining to said regulations.
I brought with me a letter tonight signed by every neighbor in our cul-de-sac. The general consensus is there's not a single family that wants this unregulated business in our neighborhood and we're tired of dealing with the plethora of issues it has created Nor do we feel like it adds value to our quality of life or our property values. After speaking with many other people that we know in Glenwood Park area, I could have had 50 to 100 more signatures of people that are against this.
As stated in the letter by the neighbors, we're looking forward to working together with you guys to come up with something. I have a whole stack of things that other cities have done I'm more than happy to meet with the City Attorney, the Planning Commission, whoever I have to meet with. As you can tell, I am pretty emotional about this because last month both of our vehicles were damaged in a hit and run scenario.
My neighbor who's a retired policeman just texted me and said, why don't you bring up the fact that in the last week there's been three families short-term rentals that decided to smoke pot the entire time. He has grandkids as do I. He can't even have any time in his backyard with his grandkids nor even open his garage door. Now I understand that's legal, I get it but it shouldn't be. There needs to be regulations that help our city And I'm happy to work with you. You let me know if you want copies of all this, because I have it. Thank
you. Scott? Do you mind just shooting me an email so we can find some time to get together and go over that? Thank you. Next up is going to be Heather Hamilton.
Hi. OK. Hi, I'm Heather. I'm from Thousand Oaks and I want to start by giving you the local numbers of people who have been taken by ICE and are now caught inside an immigration detention deportation system that I believe is deeply dehumanizing. In the 805 area code, we have 2,527 people. And as this young gentleman said, created in the image of God and I guess our godly country is doing this to these people.
There's been 1,226 people in Ventura County. 63 in Thousand Oaks, 44 Newberry Park, six in Westlake and one in Oak Park. These are our neighbors. They're not just numbers. Across the county we've seen documented reports of overcrowding, inadequate medical care, poor sanitation and degrading conditions in parts of our immigration detention center. And like what would Jesus do? We should bring back those bracelets.
I've spent several months watching friends and neighbors have their rights taken away. They're not worried that someday their rights might disappear, they're watching it happen. Watching marginalized people have their rights stripped away, I hope makes the rest of us fiercely protective of our constitutional rights. All of them for all of us. The Fourth Amendment protects us against unreasonable searches and seizures. The First Amendment protects our speech and assembly.
And California specifically protects our right to privacy. These aren't Democratic rights or Republican rights. They're our rights. So when we're talking about drones, flock cameras and whatever surveillance technology comes next I'm asking for something very simple. Transparency, public involvement and strong guardrails. This technology is powerful it can help keep us safe but powerful technology can also be misused or end up in the hands of people it was never intended for that's why the guardrails matter and look at what happened with the flock data access failure here in Ventura County The public needs to be informed and involved before we enter into contracts involving surveillance technology.
We've already seen the city do transparency really well with the downtown plan. You brought us along, you educated us, you asked us for our input, you gave the community a seat at the table and I think we can do the same thing here. If our input matters when we're deciding what our downtown looked like, surely it matters when we're deciding how our government can watch and track us.
I'm not asking you to choose between public safety and constitutional rights. We should demand both. Technology changes, administration change, people in power change. Our constitutional rights should not. Give us transparency, give us guardrails, and give the public a seat at the table before these decisions are made. Thank you.
Thank you, Heather. Next up is Michael and then following Michael will be Suzanne Duckett.
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Hello City Council, Michael from Thousand Oaks. I'm going to start with a briefing then go into my speech so with regards to the local numbers detained by ICE there was over 2 000 i want to give them a round of applause They are not our neighbors if they are here illegally. They had no rights violated since they broke into our country and neighborhoods illegally, and if you are asking for transparency then please vote yes on Prop 39 for voter ID to be required for election integrity.
Now let me get back to what I was going to talk about. Back in July, the last meeting City Manager Andrew Powers had mentioned drones as a possible response to the e-bike mischief. So my initial question is does Mr. Powers have children? That is a rhetorical question you'll have to answer because unless you feel compelled to right. Do you want kids growing up in an environment where they are constantly outrunning UAVs? No.
Mind you, I'm assuming no because yes would be ultra totalitarian and we are not China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba or Iran for that matter. So what's the answer? Parenting is a very important word And appropriate, reasonable legislation. So what do I mean? Parenting have sheriff's representatives conduct a parent guidance town hall at various schools elementary middle high school educate the parents of the increasing problems in our area and that this is their responsibility example dirt bikes. Why are kids running around on e-bikes and not dirt bikes audience anyone want to answer that?
Because they know that is a no-no, right? So we as a society have to create the same no-no environment around e-bikes. Problem solved! No drones, right? No increased budget which is unnecessary. No government overreach with unnecessarily expanding societal surveillance. Again, we are not China. Another day we can discuss the fought cameras that was brought up earlier. If you sit in these chairs your job regardless of what the League of Cities may have sold you Your responsibility is to reduce the budget as often as possible, lean out operations and maximize trust from local citizens not to pander to the power hungry public bureau that's residing in Northern California.
In the future, I'll address the lady last time. The speaker that called you all corrupt, hopefully she was wrong specifically about her misguided suggestion about rent control commercial or residential doesn't matter it's a destructive idea that does not actually address the problem merely creates more new problems thank you for your time.
Thank You Michael next up is Suzanne Duckett and then following Suzanne will be Rishi Sikh
Good evening, Suzanne Duckett from the corrupt city of Thousand Oaks. Tonight I came to have you agendize that when a person speaks they must give their name and the city in which they live. You said that tonight, but in fact it does not happen. At one meeting a lot of people came up and said that they were from the club here in town. I would call it a club instead of giving their residence in which they live so I would like to have it agendized that the mayor Remind people when they get up here to speak that they are to do that in fact When the people come in from the city from the Chamber of Commerce and Don't give their residence.
I Assume that they're from out of town and They're here to tell us How we want our city to develop That is that is We want to know where these people live from now on. And I'd like to have you agendize that item. Now, the right to vote is fundamental and I call this city the corrupt City of Thousand Oaks because you did not allow us to vote on the downtown plan The downtown plan is our future.
It's the quality of the city in which we are going to be living, it's the safety of the city in which we are to be living, it is the quality of life here and we should be able to vote on how we want our city to develop Good evening.
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Thank you, Suzanne. Next is Rishi Singh.
Honorable council members and audience, thank you for having me here tonight. My name is Rishi Sikh and I am a high school junior attending Westlake High School in California with my city of residence being Thousand Oaks but the Lang area more specifically. I have friends. Lots of them are Spanish speaking, bilingual or simply are struggling to navigate the environment of being able to thrive in an academic system and a community where everything is in English And it's not just me. It's the City of Thousand Oaks. The United States Census estimates that over 25,000 of Thousand Oaks' residents speak Spanish as their only language, that being roughly 15% of our population.
Yet our city fails in being able to provide tangible things to actually support this population, ensuring that they're able to thrive in the very same environments in which native English speakers are. Thus I'm standing here today urging the city to take action through two key ways. First it's by ensuring that city communication is available in Spanish and second it's by ensuring that the resources that they're providing at the Thousand Oaks Library, the Newberry Park Library are available to Spanish speakers On the first point of city communication, the Thousand Oaks website currently has no clear navigable way for Spanish speaking constituents to be able to translate everything that's on their website into a language that they're able to understand.
That's a problem. These websites are essential in providing crucial key information about things happening in our city, ways for constituents like us to be able to engage in such beautiful events like this and so much more unless these Spanish-speaking residents have a way have a way to know what's going on in the first place, there won't be any way for them to actually be able to engage with it. But second, on the point of libraries our city hosts wondrous events for the youth of our community to be able to attend their local libraries meet new people and have fun while they're there Nothing for Spanish-speaking students, though. Why are we institutionally barring so many of our constituents simply because they either didn't grow up in the United States or didn't happen to speak English as their first language?
These people are people. They're people of Thousand Oaks and it's time that we give them the very voice that they deserve and it's time that they have the voice to be able to advocate in their community engage in their community, and be able to take advantage of all of the wondrous resources that Thousand Oaks has to offer its constituents. My ask today is simple I'm not asking you to redesign the entire system or change what's already working. I'm simply asking you to make it more accessible to such a large majority of our city's population because solo porque yo hablo español es mi primera lengua doesn't mean I should be institutionally barred and excluded from participating in this beautiful city. Thank you for your time.
Okay, give me a second to mute. Hey everyone, I'm Dan Tweed. I've run for City Council many times since 2018 but proud to be on the ballot actually for District 4, Cleveland-Pittsburgh Parks and something i think will be very important is I'm a graduate of the CERT class Community emergency response training and I think this is a great outlet for emergency response, some kind of community resilience skills through Rec and Parks. So that's the Extra Planets Ham Radio Imager operator. I would be advocating that and also as well for Services that people can use for auxiliary communications, and I have an example of an app on the phone here as well. What three words?
It's an easy to download free app that basically every- I'm in this 10 by 10 square called Intent Plan Fair Talent It's a database, it takes about 20 megabytes. But a lot of search and rescue teams are starting to use what3words as a way to find people anywhere on Earth, anywhere there is a 3 meter by 3 meter app. So the other thing I'd like people to explore installing on their phones is called BridgePublic which uses your phone's own Bluetooth radio and you become part of a decentralized mesh network Another thing I wanted to announce is some free amateur radio classes that are going to be offered. One is an online class that starts Thursday September 3rd and it runs through Thursday October 15th.
And if you want to sign up for that, that's a great online class presented by the National Electronics Museum. Get get a pencil here's who you should email if you want to register for that. It's Roland dot anders at comcast.net so r-o-l-a-n-d dot a-n d-e-r-s at comcast net and then if you want to go to an in person amateur radio licensing class our own Conejo Valley Amateur Radio Club is putting one on, and that's going to start September 5th at the Sheriff Station they'll do the tech class from 8am to noon the general class will be held from noon to four, and I think my time's about up. But I wanted to say real quick on this date in 2012 two amazing cosmic events happened. Neil Armstrong died and the Voyager 1 spacecraft passed out of the heliopause so it officially left the solar system.
So two great explorers became linked in history. Live long and prosper.
Thank you Dan. Just want to confirm no more speakers? Okay, any questions or any follow-up from our city manager?
Yeah just very quickly. Chief Perez does have the next presentation so I'm gonna have him touch base with our speaker regarding Airbnb and the vehicle damage component tomorrow via phone. As it relates to the speaker regarding the Spanish language translation services on the website and at the libraries programming, I've had both our library community cultural affairs director And Ryan Roman from our city manager's office step out and chat with them about the options that we we do have on both of those Yeah,
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it sounds like Dan can you mute him okay perfect Next is consent calendar. Does anyone have any questions or would they like to pull any items? Can I have a motion? Okay, we have a motion in this City Clerk Why am i blanking yep the vote that's what we need
Council Member Engler, can I have your vote please?
Yes.
Thank you and Council Member Gutierrez? Yes. And that motion passes five to zero.
Thank you. Next up we are presenting the item on Unmanned Aircraft System Program is Chief Jeremy Perez.
Good evening, Mayor Taylor and council members. Captain Gibson and I are here tonight to talk about an expansion of our Unmanned Aircraft Systems Program. Our current UAS program began in 2013 and currently consists of a deputy who carries a drone with them while assigned to patrol. Under this current program the drone is not available for use until a scene is stabilized and it takes two deputies operate one as a pilot and one as an observer.
What we're proposing tonight is referred to as a Dronas First Responder Program. Six pre-positioned drones operated by a single deputy pilot stationed in our Dispatch Center. It fills the critical gap between receiving a 911 call and deputies arriving and stabilizing the scene. We are excited about the prospect of lowering our response times, particularly in response to burglaries, CaliConverter thefts, organized retail theft, and other high priority calls.
By having the eyes of a deputy pilot on scene quickly, we can provide responding deputies with critical updates that will improve their safety and ensure we are getting the right resources there. As an example, we recently had a man with a gun walk into a commercial building on Tua Boulevard While we had a quicker than normal response time, the man with the gun still left the building before we arrived.
About 60 cops arrived on scene and for the next two-and-a-half to three hours, we closed all the businesses in surrounding areas as we searched for him. We did eventually locate him and take him into custody. Had our DFR program been in place, a deputy pilot would have had eyes on the scene before the call even went out on the radio. He or she would have been able to direct deputies to the suspect and conclude the incident in a matter of minutes instead of hours.
This expansion of our UAS program is not a surveillance program, as you will hear Captain Gibson relate. These drones do not function as license plate readers, they did not have facial recognition capability and there is no data sharing with other agencies. This is a tool to use in response to calls for service, to reduce our response times and help keep our community safe. With that I'll turn it over to Captain Gibson for some additional info.
Good evening Mayor Taylor members of the City Council Sorry about that. My name is Greg Gibson, I'm the Captain of Patrol Services for the Thousand Oaks Police Department. As Chief Parrish said, our Jones First Responder Program will expand on our current UAS program for the city and differ from our traditional patrol-led UAS deployment. For DFR, the pilots will be stationed at a fixed location and remotely pilot the UAS to an incident.
The pilot will be able to communicate with patrol deputies and provide them with critical real time information about rapidly evolving incidents. This will allow our police department to maximize the efficiency of our deputies and to keep our community safe. We've conducted a thorough analysis of our high priority incidents, and have identified strategic locations throughout our city that will maximize the effectiveness of our DFR program.
Implementation of a DFR program will undoubtedly enhance the services provided by the Thousand Oaks Police Department. The pilot will be able to respond to high-priority incidents quicker, providing critical information to responding deputies to minimize threats to our community and to increase officer safety through timely strategic communication. These incidents will be resolved more expeditiously as the pilot will be able to direct resources where they're truly needed and can cancel responsive unnecessary responding deputies Additionally, our pilots will be able to assist in searching for and locating at-risk missing persons to keep them and our community safe.
Lastly, DFR undoubtedly will keep our deputies safer. Having a real time tactical overview of a dangerous incident will maximize the safety of our deputies by providing them with the information to utilize the appropriate resources to bring dangerous incidents to safe conclusions. Our proposed DFR program will consist of two components. The Police Department conducted a thorough evaluation of vendors providing DFR services and determined the services provided by Skydio are the best fit for the specific needs of our community and the Police Department.
The Skydio Dock 4X10 is a fixed, weather-resistant base station that houses, charges, and deploys the Skydio X10 drone autonomously It has proprietary collision avoidance software that allows the X10 drone to fly autonomously from the dock to the scene of the incident. Each Skydio X10 drone is equipped with a parachute that will automatically deploy if a critical failure or loss of control is detected.
Each Skydio X10 drone is also equipped with Skydio Connect Fusion Plus, which enhances connectivity and flight controls. The second component of our proposed DFR program is the implementation of a program called Prepared 911. Prepared 911 is a system that provides real-time GPS integration of incoming 9-1-1 calls into the DFR pilot's flight command software.
The DFR pilot will be able to review live summaries of emergency calls and immediately respond to those emergencies, sometimes before we actually dispatch actual patrol deputies and cars to those emergencies. The summaries will provide real-time information to assist the pilot in their response. It's also extremely important that we highlight the privacy and safeguard concerns related to utilizing a drone as a first responder program I want to highlight the fact that our DFR program will only be used to respond to calls for service, or to support patrol operations in emergency situations such as vehicle pursuits or foot pursuits.
Our policy will specifically prohibit the use of a DFR program for random surveillance, proactive enforcement, or civil matters. The Skydio X10 drone is not equipped with any facial recognition or any biometric identification features. Additionally, the Skydio X10 does not function as an automated license plate reader. When flying to and from an incident, the camera gimbal will remain level to the horizon so that it safeguards the privacy of all of our communities.
I also want to touch on our transparency. I want to highlight the transparency of our DFR program. The police department will partner with Skydio to provide an online transparency dashboard documenting the flights of our DFR program. The slide that you see on our screen represents a sample dashboard that lists flights in a specific area of the city. Members of the public will be able to view the dashboard and review DFR flights.
The dashboard will track the dates and times of DFR flights and provide a recap of the flight path for each mission. And just to touch briefly on this slide, you can see on the left side is just a row of calls as they happen in chronological order, and the right side shows the area of a map. This one is actually from the Los Angeles area, and the blue lines are obviously that the flight path that drone took for that particular flight.
To proceed with the implementation of the drone as a first responder program, The Thousand Oaks Police Department is asking for funding from the city to acquire and install six Skydio docks for X-10. In addition to the docks themselves, pilot workstations will need to be installed and pilots will need to be selected. Lastly our pilots will be required to attend specialized training provided by Skydio to safely and effectively operate the drone as a first responder program. Thank you
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Thank you, Captain Gibson. Just to emphasize a few points I'd like to make a few more comments. Criminals are becoming more sophisticated. We'd be derelict in our duties if we didn't use the technology available as to combat crime and become more efficient. This expansion of our unmanned aircraft systems program is not a surveillance program. You've heard us say this many times. It's a call response tool that doesn't involve license plate readers, facial recognition and there's no data sharing involved.
This tool will enhance our ability to successfully respond to priority calls for service. We thoroughly vetted many of the companies that provided this equipment, we even had three of the companies come and do live demos. Skydio and its partner company Axon were the obvious choice. Axon is the same company that provides our tasers and our body-worn cameras. We've been doing business with them for over 20 years. They already store our data related to these two products, and integrating our DFR program will be seamless, and they've had a great track record of protecting our data.
This implementation of the program is possible because we are sharing the pilot costs with the City of Camarillo. They're paying 40% of pilot costs. Camarillo approved budget allocation for this program in July. If the council approves the funding tonight, we plan on going to the County Board of Supervisors in September. September for approval to sign the contract with Axon. Equipment installation will occur in late October and early November, and the program will go live in early to mid-November. So we have two recommendations tonight. The first one is to approve budget appropriation and expenditure for fiscal year 2026 to 27 in the amount of $701,000. And the second is to find that this action is not a project as defined under CEQA, and I've been waiting to say that phrase for a long time.
Wow. It's even crossed over, huh? All right thank you both of you. Any questions? Mr. Newman
Thank you, Mr. Mayor and thank you Chief Parris and Captain Gibson for your report. We discussed some of this chief in staff meeting but we want to just get this on the record just to reiterate what you said about what is and is not in scope with this first responder. This is all response driven correct?
Correct yeah this will be all response to calls for service
So if there's a call about a crime in progress, someone jumping over a fence to break into a building for example that could be in scope.
Yeah absolutely and I give a couple examples of other cases where I think they'd be past cases I look at go man I wish we had this year and a half ago we had a I think it was seven-year-old jump off a bus he was autistic nonverbal ran into Sapui trails It felt to me like forever before we had a drone on scene. In fact, it was about 30 or 40 minutes before so you had a nonverbal autistic boy running around alone and the drone was extremely helpful in that search and have we had this program that's one of these calls where the drone's first responder would make a big difference.
Be there on scene in minutes to help locate that person and anybody that searched for a missing person knows every minute is just a wider circle you got to search, wider and wider.
And again I mean both if there's a call about a crime being committed or in this case with a missing persons search these are responses to calls that have come in it's not like a surveillance where you have these drones flying around just looking for
stuff. Yeah we won't be, yeah we won't just be doing random there's no random patrols there's no those no just flying around looking at things and there's yeah that won't happen. Saying
this is a suspicious person there isn't there's not a crime but we
think. Yeah and as a matter of fact one of the discussions were had we've had with Camarillo is since we're sharing this pilot what we really don't want to do is have the pilot tied up doing something less important or less efficient and make that not available for a call that comes up in one of the other cities that is necessary for that pilot to be on that call.
Another question I got from a resident was about surveillance of mass gatherings, protests let's say or other large crowd. It sounds again like this is not the intent of the DFR program.
Yeah, not at all. And the only scenario where the DFR would come and play is if we did have some kind of criminal incident that happened during that. We have used our other program on occasion for pre-clowned events mostly around getting crowd numbers and things like that but the Drone and Search Response Program absolutely is not for that.
Right, right. But it's not again as you said there's no facial recognition here there's no AOPR technology yeah it's not like their police are taking attendance.
Yeah the advantage of this isn't in any of that kind of tech the advantages of is a deputy down and dispatch a trained deputy experienced deputy with eyes on scene to help interpret what's going on right? A trained deputy and help relay that information to responding units
Thank you, and then my final question is again about the data sharing aspect. You said that data will not be shared with other agencies?
Correct.
I presume that means within VCSO correct or is it just TOPD?
It'll be a VCSO program yeah so it's the same protections that'll be under our body-worn camera videos that we have now
And are there silos around? There is an AI component of this.
Yeah, so the AI component...there's two really branches to that. One is in listening to the phone call, transcribing it. The particular thing we're very excited about is actually the translation capabilities. That's been something that's been difficult for our 911 operators, so much so that the city of Thousand Oaks isn't being asked to pay for any of that part of the program. The sheriff seen such value in that for the agency overall and it's 20-something thousand dollars a year, that's not included in what Thousand Oaks will be helping pay for because that's something the sheriff wants for the entire agency. So that's on the AI side on that.
is in helping the drone do collision avoidance.
So my question around all that is, are there contractual or policy safeguards around? I presume some of this AI is being done somewhere in the cloud at the AI provider site or somewhere. Are there contractual safeguards that prevent leakage of that information?
I guess I don't know what you mean on the AI information
Well, let's take the identifying like someone is calling and reporting a crime. And so AI automatically flags that and says hey this is something worth paying attention to. Certainly there's community benefit to that but I guess what I'm asking is Where or what safeguards or what fences are there around that information that is obtained via
some AI? Yes, so first of all it's completely walled off to our agency. There's no going outside but the other thing is it's protected through policy the same as our call data that comes in now. All of this is not, none of the stuff that we're proposing is new policy for us. So on the dispatch side it's already covered by policies we're all already trained on. On the drone side, like I said, we've had a drone program since I believe 2013 so our same data protections and everything that have been in place since 2013 apply to this program as well.
So an AI, unless they let you know things have changed then an AI provider could not then Go monetize this information.
Oh no, yes absolutely not. That's what I'm getting at. Okay yes absolutely not.
There's no sharing?
No sharing absolutely not yeah and again Axon is the one storing the data for us and we've it's been 20 plus years that we've been using them and have not had an incident all with them.
Very good thank you very much.
You're
welcome. Thank you Mr. Mayor.
Thank You Mr. Newman. Mr. Engler
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, appreciate it. And thanks for the presentation both of you. I'm excited to see this technology presented to us on my duties for League of Cities is on a public safety committee so I'm pretty familiar with a lot of the operation behind drones first responders. So glad to see we're taking a look at it. Unfortunately, I think there's a public perception that LPRs, license plate readers and this drone technology are really the two sides of one coin. Can you help differentiate how these are used? What's the difference in how the data is stored?
You mentioned that the data is siloed here at the Sheriff. How did flock cameras, that issue with flock cameras occur where there was a data leak?
Yeah, most of the questions I've been getting have been around conflating really automatic license pleater program with drone because they are both technology items. The drone data is first of all this is a response to calls for service. versus license plate readers that are sitting there collecting data right now, that's stored for a certain amount of time for later use.
The Drona's First Responder Program doesn't have an element of that type of use at all. It'll be used just in response to calls for service. The data will be going into our data storage that we have with Axon and that is siloed off from, there is no data sharing program that Axon has. So there's no ability for somebody to share that. The only sharing we do have is if it's a criminal case, we were able to get that information in the DA's office through Axon.
It's a program called evidence.com Same one we use for as we take pictures at scenes with our cell phones, that's where it goes. Matter of fact, we can give links to the public to send in if they have ring video or stuff they want to share with us, it goes in there too. But that's all evidence based. And when I say evidence-based, our controls around evidence are really strong.
As a matter of fact, when I look at a video on Evidence.com it logs who's looking at it and how long I look at it for and exactly what I look at. It's a very good program. It is really centered around preserving evidence in a manner that can be used in court. Whereas the license plate reader camera, none of that stuff really becomes evidence until later on when it's looked at. So it's stored and there's the issues with Flock in particular has been around their sharing programs that have not been safeguards around that weren't as robust as they told us they were
Is the drones first responder data that's collected, the video and the other issue data is collected. Is it more akin to say a body worn camera type
data as
opposed to surveillance?
That's great point exactly akin to body worn camera. So when the drone responds, as Captain Gibson said, the gimbal, the camera will be facing forward. We had some discussion in the beginning. Some agencies are turning on recording as soon as it flies. We had some discussion about whether we want to do that or not. We chose not to just in the chance that we catch something that we're not intending to catch.
It also reduces the amount of storage we have to keep. But once we're on scene, it will start recording. Our body-worn camera follows government code. I believe if it's non-evidentiary, we have to keep it for 60 days. If it's potential evidentiary, we have to keep it for two years. Its exact same policy applies as our body-worn camera.
In terms of the Sheriff's Department, because basically our function here is to approve the use in town but also to help pay for it. Correct. The policies and everything are going to be developed by the Sheriff's Department? Is that correct?
That's correct.
What is the sheriff doing to make sure that the public has transparency on those policies? Yeah. And doing that footwork prior to deployment to help smooth out some issues?
So our policy's posted, this policy is not yet posted but our unmanned aerial systems policy that we have now is posted on our internet website. This will be posted once everything's improved and in place it will be posted and we'll also have this transparency dashboard that is provided through Axon Skydio where the public can see where our flights are going exactly and what they're flying for.
Will the transparency dashboard, will that show real time or would it be historic?
That's a good question.
There will be delay on that. You'll be able to see real-time flights. I believe the delay is up to about 24 hours. Give it about 24 hours and then we'll start showing all the flights but for obvious security and tactical concerns they're not posted in real time.
Well I would hope so because the safety factor for officers in the field would be compromised in that respect. Crime intervention, but I know that videos that I've seen in my studies for League of Cities also shows it could be used as a de-escalation tool at times when there's something that happens and the drone gets there before officers and can de-escalate based on that information.
Yeah, we've seen that already with the body cameras. When an officer shows up with a camera recording people start behaving better when they know they're on camera. We expect to see the same thing when a drone gets on scene, that people will also behave more appropriately when they know they're being recorded. And back to your last question, we do plan doing a press release that will link all these resources for transparency so that people can look at them.
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Well I know there's, and you know well, there's a lot of sensitivity around the use of the data. How is the data gonna be secured? All that is out in the public and could really use some explanation coming from Sheriff. I
agree.
Mr. Gutierrez.
Thank you, Mayor Taylor. I think between Council Member Newman and Council Member Engler most of my questions that we discussed in previously Chief Parris have been answered one of the features that I thought We should talk about that hadn't been called out because I know there had been some concerns from residents around the recording and the gimbal being pointed down. So it's great to hear you again on record and publicly inform the public of the gimbal being pointed forward and not recording until it's on location, that the deployment of this tool will only be triggered or put on based on a call Of an active happening so no preventative or surveillance. So again, thank you again for just reiterating all of that both here previously in our meeting and with the public and concerned community before the meeting there was some discussion of fire season and it being a tool that our Fire Department also could leverage, which I thought was especially important for us in our ring of green.
So if you could speak a little bit to that?
Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that opportunity. So these do have heat sensing technology on them. One of the things that's very useful in fires is the sooner you can find out really how much equipment you need and you can get there is really important. We often respond to I know the fire department does too of calls for service for smoke and ends up being someone driving down a dusty dirt road especially if we've had a big fire people get very sensitive around that last It was during the fire in Camarillo.
I responded, I was personally out that night because it was very windy here in Thousand Oaks and we were having some power outages and we got a call that somebody said there was fire on the Hill Nail CLU and I responded to that and it was actually the fire in Camarillo they were seeing is just they weren't used to the perspective at night of seeing light like that on the hill so this is again a place where efficiency of fire resources is a big deal I know the fire department's working on their own drone as first responder program for that purpose specifically. But yes, it's a great tool for that.
Beautiful and I also just want to stress and appreciate you highlighting this is a shared resource so the The whimsical type calls of a cat in the tree, we're not going to deploy. Again because we want the drone to be available for more dire and just crisis-oriented calls. To me that feels like a safeguard in itself I think as City's sharing this resource have to be really mindful. I know there are still conversations going on about what the parameters are what the words kind of like the the you know, the vocabulary having to be used or the signal words that will deploy the UAV automatically. So write something again a weapon on site or active shooting things of that nature.
So again appreciate your time as well as Captain Gibson for being here and really stressing the importance of these tools being Strategic in nature
Thank
you, mr. Adams Thank you mayor Did I read that the drones will be stationed on rooftops around the city?
Correct. Yeah, so we get
spots around the city, right?
I'm sorry miss that part
I said strategic rooftops around the city.
Yeah, so what we did is we sent our priority one and two call data. It's our highest priority calls to Skydio and they used that data to look and see where the best place is for us to place these. The good thing is they ended up all in commercial areas stretched along the 101 which will reduce Reduce the amount of time we're flying or miss, you know over residences. It'll must be over commercial areas they'll be clustered in groups of two and There there'll be one near the near the west end of town one near the middle and one near the east end of town
Mm-hmm
in these in these groups of two
that makes sense triangulation So so they're up on the roof What triggers them to be deployed?
Yeah so there's a couple ways they can be triggered. So that we'll have a deputy down in dispatch and what we're proposing is a deputy 12 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. Some day maybe we'll go to 24 hours a day depending on what happens as we move forward but that's where we're starting. That deputy can be watching the call log he'll have the call log because he'll be in dispatch And he can see a call going that he needs to send it to, and he can choose to launch it. The reason we got this prepared 911 program is so that he doesn't have to type that address in. It's simply a point-and-click because we're trying to save seconds and minutes to get to places. We don't want delays of typing and looking and typing over and misspelling an address, all that stuff.
All that's eliminated by that program. The other way it can happen is if the caller says things like, hey there's a guy with a gun here. I just got stabbed. I just got shot. Active shooter those kind of things that we can program the drone in to auto launch so it will launch on its own and alert the pilot there. Hey launching here's the call and then the pilot can be flying it from there
Amazing auto launch.
Yes,
how about that? And so the object is the drone gets there before the deputy and So the deputy is coming in his patrol car Let's say can he see somehow what's happening before he gets there
Yeah, there is that ability. The deputies right now use a system called Fleet 3 in their car and that's an Axon product so they have that program running so if the pilot sees a picture it sees the suspect he can like take a picture of him using the drone and push it out to the deputy. A really big benefit is more accurate descriptions of who's the suspect and who's the victim.
Another big deal, really, and I'll go back to the fire example but also for us is knowing how many resources I really need there, right? Like sometimes we're sending 20 people to something and we get there and we only need one and meanwhile other stuff's pending or Almost the worst scenario is a deputy shows up and realizes, I need more people here. And we're stopped right? The sooner we can make that decision on we need more resources or less, the more efficient we are and the safer it is for everybody.
Same with we have deputies right now driving code 3. We just changed the policy, speaking of technology, iPhones now will tell you if there's a crash and we've been sending deputies code three to those. We realized the error rate on that is huge like 70% or something like that so we just stopped sending deputies code three on those because it's just not the odds of of it being a real injury accident aren't there to justify the driving we do on Code 3.
So, we're constantly looking at technology and the ways it's helping us and the ways that can hinder us and trying to be more efficient in what we're doing.
It's a great technological advancement, if you ask me. And so the drone can really help you assess the situation and give you some response alternatives and certainly make it safer for the deputies I would certainly think.
Yeah, Captain Gibson, you can tell them about the Oxnard Park incident.
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I actually misspoke on that one. That was actually a, the one that I looked into is a park up in Northern California where there's a call of a man with a gun. They launched a DFR, it got on scene and determined it was actually a butane lighter instead of a gun so the drone was actually able to determine he was not armed with a gun, they were able to deescalate their response There was a similar call for service. So Bernalillo County has a very robust, it's in New Mexico, they have a very robust DFR program.
There's a fairly long video where their DFR is on scene of two young children about seven or eight years old who are playing with an actual firearm. And they had an entire tactical team out there and they relied on the D on the drone from the DFR It's like to let them know when appropriate time is for the deputies to go up and safely disarm them so it can be Invaluable for officer safety keeping the people we're going to contact safe and keeping our deputy safe as well.
Yeah Good story really? The title is so apt. The drone is the first responder That makes a lot of sense to me. Does the drone have any audio capabilities? Like come out with your hands up, you're surrounded.
So the ones that we're going to be launching from our docks do not so each drone has two potential attachments. We're choosing to be safe We want the parachute attachment on these. So far, Skydio has a really good track record but we want to make sure that we're being safe so that's going to take up one of our attachments just in case there is a critical failure. I've actually seen the parachute get deployed it significantly slows down the fall of the drone so to me the safety is paramount Number two, as far as priorities is the connectivity. I refer to the ConnectFusion Plus so that allows us to have dual SIM card plus the RF maximizes the connectivity and maximizes the stream those to me are the two most valuable ones we did as an agency purchase six Skydio X10s we're going to be transitioning our entire fleet to the Skydio X10 from an agency and those we will actually be able to deploy speakers on them and spotlights.
Those would be from We're going to be looking at a new technology
that's going to make it easier for people to get on the bus and not
have to wait in line. It's going to make it easier for them to get on the bus and not have to wait in line. And we're going be looking at a new technology that will make it easy for people to get on the bus and not have What metrics are you gonna use to measure its success or lack of success? Will you be coming back to us at a certain time and let us know, report on its lessening of response times or any incidents that have come out.
Great question. First to the reporting back to you, every year I report to you at our goals and priorities so I plan on discussing this program at that time. There's some hard data points we can look at. One is response times. We can tell you how soon the drone got on scene and compare those to having a physical deputy on scene The other thing we can look at is we have two call dispositions when a deputy's done with the call that he gives called GOA or UTL, gone on arrival or unable to locate. What we found in talking with some other agencies is those two calls for service dispositions really drop and that's important because what happens during a normal shift is we'll have somebody that's having a bad day And they'll get into it with somebody in the morning.
They'll say, I'm calling the cops. The person leaves. We get there and the guy's gone and we say UTL or GOA. Well, invariably a couple hours later that person gets into it with somebody again and that may happen. And we may have this repeat three or four times in a day before we eventually catch up with this person. So we're hoping that, and we've been told the experience of other agencies is these dispositions have gone on arrival or UTL drop precipitously almost to zero because the drone's able to get there on these calls and point out to the deputies where the person is. We're able to contact them early and we're hoping that will be able to show you a reduced call for service for those type of calls as we're able to deal with them at the beginning of the day rather than throughout the day.
So those are a couple data points that we think we're going to be able to show you. The other things, we'll be able to bring forth some anecdotal evidence of calls that we've resolved using it. We'll be talking with the deputies about how they feel what their experiences are on calls. Those things aren't gonna be able quantify as easily but there are things were definitely keep an eye on
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That was a good question. All right, let's move to our speakers. We have three of them. Each one has three minutes. We're going to start with Jack B. Jack, you still with us? If so, you're on mute.
Yes I'm here. Can you hear me?
We can go ahead, Jack.
Hi there. Thanks so much, my name is Jack Bernard. I'm a 21-year resident of Thousand Oaks. Love the city! I'm commenting tonight just about a few concerns regarding the policies and accountability around the drone program. I wanted to start by saying thank you to Chief Parris and the Captain for really providing a lot of details and answering a lot of the questions that We had and council members had about the program. I think that those were a lot of the answers that we were looking for, and yeah, I appreciate the thought that the department has put into thinking about those things because they do matter.
I think what I'm concerned about is that this funding is being proposed or asked for without a firm policy that has been written or presented to council and or the public for review before the funding is granted. I hear that the policy is being written by the Sheriff's Department and that it is in the works, and possibly even close to done. But I think it's a reasonable ask to present that policy for review by both community members and council members before the funding is awarded.
It's not that I don't trust the word of the chief and the captain in what they say, in terms of operations and questions around when the drones will be deployed and things of that nature. But there is no way to hold the operators and the department accountable for said operations if mistakes are made etc without a policy that is presented for review. I appreciate the clarity that this is not a surveillance program and to be honest, I don't think that it ever intentionally was a surveillance program. But I think that a lot of times with deployment of new technologies Things can happen inadvertently and by complete accident, without the knowledge of the department or the intention of the department. And that's not a fault of the department but it is a fault of our mechanisms of accountability and transparency.
So I think having this policy enshrined before we award the funding for purchase is an important step to ensure that. I've looked at other agenda items for other cities with similar contracts with Axon and Skydio, and comprehensive invoices and bills were provided to specify which technology is going to be purchased by the department. This was not supplied in the current agenda item.
And Skydio has a wide variety of products, three different types of drones all with different types of accessories and software licenses and features. So there's not a lot of clarity as to what products are being purchased with the money that is being spent. So I think it's also reasonable to request that information before the funding is awarded as well. Finally, I
think that... Jack? I'm sorry. The three minutes were up. Phenomenal questions. You sound young. Those questions were impressive. Next up is going to be Jackson Piper. And Jax, if you can hear me just unmute.
Good evening, City Councilors and Chief Harris. Thank you all for presenting this. I'm Jackson Piper from Unincorporated Newbury Park. I am not as familiar as a lot of the people who are working on this program with this technology I have concerns which i think everyone in the room probably understands is somewhat reasonable about potential abuses for something like this.
I do want to start off saying thank you to Chief Parris and to the questions from David Newman as well and Bob Engler for Allaying a lot of my concerns to some degree like it does bring me some comfort to know that you are so focused on making sure that this program protects privacy and is only used for emergency circumstances and is well thought out to not be Misused.
That being said, I do agree with the previous speaker that it would be a good idea for the trust of people like me and everyone in the community to kind of see what the agreement is going to be in writing before it is awarded So I know that's probably a big ask at this stage, but I would definitely feel much more comfortable with drones being operated by any local law enforcement knowing what the boundaries are supposed to be.
And then my concern for the future is also a sense of like okay, right now Chief Parris has stated his commitment to running this program ethically and using it only for certain circumstances. That's great What if Thousand Oaks gets a new police chief or what if the Ventura County Sheriff's, you know has higher up changes and policies change? Or you know what if changes happen at a higher government level that put pressure on VCSD and Thousand Oaks to use these drones in a way that they're not currently intended to. Are there safeguards that will be put in place address those potential circumstances.
So yes, I would like to see things in writing but I am very happy with what was presented here so far so thank you.
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Thank you Jackson and last up will be Clint Foltz
Hello, my name is Clint Foulkes and I'm a resident of Thousand Oaks. Thank you very much for the detailed presentation it's appreciated. You addressed many of my concerns but given the concerns for many in our community when it comes to over surveillance I would ask that the council pause the distribution of these funds until everyone in our community, not just those attending or watching this meeting tonight can be presented with specific policies concerning these DFR drones. How updates to the technology will be handled and how the privacy of residents will be respected by operators of this technology. I feel that further engagement and education should be conducted to gather opinions and concerns of residents regarding this DFR drone program Much like what was done for the downtown project.
So thank you very much for your time.
Thank you, Clint. Jeremy check to respond to
yeah I'd love to so just just to be super clear we've had a unmanned aerial systems unmanned aircraft systems program in effect since 2013. We've had a policy on that in effect since that time Member, this is just an expansion of that. So there is a policy on our website right now to look at. Now that will be things added to and changed as they've alluded to the future we you know I obviously can't predict all the future but I could tell you as technology changes we update our policies but they're always around the same idea This balance between what we're doing and privacy rights.
I tell this to people all the time, I have no interest in collecting data. I have interest in solving crime. I have no interest in collecting data. And that's the same true with here. We're looking for something that will help our deputies solve crime, make it safer for our community members and for us. You know, we have the same... When you think about this program in particular, this is not an automated tool. There's some automation that comes with it but the tool itself is the eyes of a deputy on scene.
That's what we're getting out of this drone program. is an eyes of a deputy on scene. Much like it would be a tiny helicopter with a little guy in it, right? Like that's what we're looking for. We're looking for eyes on scene. We're not looking to collect data. There will be video evidence that will be collected. We've also been doing that for a long time with our body-worn camera and we have policies around that. All those policies that we already have apply in every way to what we're doing here
Thank you. Any other questions? Would anyone like to make a comment or motion? I don't have to close this one, do I?
I'd be, uh, I think this is new technology as in with any new technology. There are concerns about how that is going to be implemented. Um, the sheriff does have policies in place that have worked well as he has, he's mentioned since over 13, 14 years now. The Reassurances that we've had tonight as far as the data is siloed within the Sheriff's Department. That the gimbal is ported horizontal, not looking down until it arrives on scene.
The advantages to on-duty personnel who are responding with that drone. The advantages for speed of arrival and also in my mind what I've seen at League of Cities is that there is a de-escalation factor that actually has led to a lot of good results. All those things taken into account and I will talk about it later, we were just out in Louisville In June, I guess it was.
Louisville is a city of about, I think it's 700,000 people. They have a very intense drone as first responder program that is partially funded by the fire, partially funded by their police department and it's used for both fire and law enforcement purposes. I know our intent is not to use it for these purposes, but there was an active call while we were in their dispatch watching it occur to examine what was reported as a broken traffic light.
The drone's first responder was on scene within 45 seconds. It identified, yeah there is a traffic light broken and the dispatcher then dispatched Public Works. A good quick efficient use of the drone for a very routine call that would have taken a police officer out of service for maybe 5-10 minutes So there's advantages to it. There is a concern as far as data goes, data use and how that's gonna protect, how we're gonna protect the privacy of our citizens.
Those policies are in place now and have worked well so I'd be happy to... Let's see what is our... 12A? 12A parts one and
two. Any other comments before I move to a vote? Ms. Gutierrez.
Thank you, Mayor Taylor. I just wanted to make a comment based on some of the public comment feedback and interest in seeing additional maybe not invoicing because then that's purchased but explanations of what type Equipment are being purchased, as well as a completed policy. All of that is really going to be the third step it feels like in your order of operations in approaching the supervisors at the county level for the department at whole. So I just wanted to say that out loud so that our community members here in Thousand Oaks remember that we also have a governing body at that level where they can follow up With their concerns, interests and also for the completion of what they might feel isn't present today.
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City Clerk can you call the vote please?
Council Member Engler?
Yes.
And Council Member Gutierrez? Yes. And that motion passes 5-0
Next is our council member report on a recent conference. Council members Engler and Newman. Somebody want to take it away and let us know how it went?
I'll lead it off, as mentioned a little bit earlier, Council Member Newman and I and our legislative manager Mina Leyba spent some time in Louisville at the League of Cities Louisville is a town right on the Ohio River, nice town with challenges as any large city has. So we had quite a few meetings. I know from my perspective on the Public Safety Committee, we did spend some time at a very interesting location.
It's their public safety wellness center where public safety personnel can go and de-stress, especially after large incidents. Get some mental health help and have a place that they can relax out of the public eye. And they found it has been very effective in reducing their exposure to mental health issues on their force. As I mentioned before, we did go to the dispatch center and witnessed Drona's first responder use. It is something that they have found to be very effective and they're using it as I mentioned on routine calls that will free up officers for more serious calls as well as those serious calls as well.
Speaking of drones, the National League of Cities has been focused lately on counter drone measures. And there are, it's called Safer Skies Act that the feds are looking at right now to help get some of the technology that's out there to help local law enforcement for counter drone measures Especially at large events or special events that someone might try to disrupt with a drone. So it was very interesting, I'm glad we had the opportunity to contribute our viewpoints with National League of Cities that then helps to educate and help direct our federal partners.
Mr. Newman? Yeah, thank you. I'd add to Mayor Pro Tem Engler's comments. It was a very productive meeting. These are divisive times nationally. There was a very good seminar on civility and respect and how to gain that and how to have that be an essential part of government meetings. I thought that was quite useful. I hope that while we're not perfect at this, that we try to live up to the ideal of treating all persons here with dignity and respect. Mr. Engler is part of the Public Safety Committee at National League. I serve on the Energy Environment and Natural Resources Committee.
We had a number of field tours Louisville is a riverfront city. A lot of the riverfront is formerly, really run down industrial or formerly industrial areas that were landfills. Some were EPA Superfund sites. They've done an excellent job of showing how that can be cleaned up and reused. A couple of examples, one is that they're on the site of a former landfill. There's now quite nice botanical garden. I've taken photos from that to the Ventura Regional Sanitation District which manages, I think it's five landfills that are still in various stages of remediation We also had a couple of presentations on the benefits of urban tree canopies, very timely for us here in Thousand Oaks given number one that it's going to be 98 degrees high tomorrow.
So I hope everyone stays cool and hydrates it's important To do those things. It's also important that we keep Maintaining our urban tree canopy trees provide oxygen shade cooling We voted tonight earlier this evening in our consent calendar on on part of our forestry master plan to remove some non-native plants and do some really quite nice landscaping along more than three miles of the median on Westlake Boulevard.
That's one of I think five or six different areas around the city where this is ongoing. There are very nice quality of life benefits from that, but also great environmental benefits and finally we had a presentation on geothermal power which drives part of the energy supply at Louisville We here in Thousand Oaks also benefit in part from that. We are members of the Clean Power Alliance, which gets about 10% of its energy, 9-10% from geothermal sources. I didn't realize this but the airport that we landed at The part of the airport where private planes park, there's an enormous geothermal power plant deep underneath that.
So where there are geothermal sources They not only can be used, but they can be used in conjunction with other sources. So that's something I'm planning to bring back to Clean Power Alliance and something that will help drive clean energy security here as well. So all in all, I'd say it was a very productive trip. Thank you Mr. Mayor.
Thank you both for being out there and sharing with us. Would anyone like to make a comment or motion? Mr. Newman.
Thank you, I'll go ahead and move as soon as I get the item number. Sorry?
It's 15A.
15A based on staff's recommendation.
And will the clerk please prepare the vote?
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Council Member Engler?
Yes.
And Council Member Gutierrez? Yes, and that motion passes five to zero.
Thank you. Next up is our city manager announcements,
Mr.
Powers.
Thank you Mayor Taylor. Our next City Council meeting will be on the 15th of September and for that meeting right now we have a couple of public hearings. Our CDBG consolidated annual performance and evaluation report as required annually And a housing options update that will link into our thrive Grove Facility so looking forward to both of those items. That'll be on the 15th of September
and I will now adjourn
this meeting