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all right next up we have closed session Miss Noonan will you please announce what's happening tonight
Yes, Mayor. There's three items on the agenda but I'm going to be pulling item B, Jones v. City of Thousand Oaks. We will not be having closed session on that. We will be having closed session on the other two. Both are pending litigation pursuant to Government Code Section 54956.98. The first one is Bonnie Bean v. Gerardo Rodriguez and the second one is Keyes v. City of Thousand Oaks.
All right we have no speakers on these items so we're gonna head into closed session now. We'll see everybody in 1 hour.
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All right, we are going to get started. We are back from closed session. Ms. Noonan is there anything to report? Nothing to report. All right if you are able would you mind please standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. Right hand over your heart ready begin. All right, and now we have special presentation so give me one second. Our first presentation this evening is to recognize National Code Enforcement Appreciation Month.
Code enforcement officers play such a crucial role, and often they are some of the most underappreciated groups and roles in maintaining the thing that we so desperately care about quality of life. Their work helps ensure safe healthy and orderly neighborhoods by enforcing building codes zoning laws and other regulations Throughout October, cities across the country recognized the important contributions of these dedicated professionals.
Here in the City of Thousand Oaks we're proud to acknowledge our small but mighty code compliance team for their hard work, commitment and service to our residents and businesses. I am happy to hereby proclaim this month of October 2026 as National Code Compliance Appreciation Month in the City of Thousand Oaks. And here to accept this proclamation, which I should have called down here is Deputy Community Development Director Tamar Saad, Code Compliance Supervisor Anne Brannan and the code compliance team.
Thank you, Mayor Taylor. And the council. Thank you for recognizing the code team. My name is Tamar as mentioned and I have the honor of overseeing this team. As mentioned small but mighty. They're hard working, diligent and compassionate which is most important so thank you. Thank you everyone for the recognition and thank you to my team. And Brandon is our Code Compliance Supervisor, Ashley Cruz, Joanna Garcia, our newest member Leanne, and Miguel Oroz, and now with us today is Christina Prado. So thank you to the team.
Can council join me for a photo please?
Nice to meet you.
And our second presentation this evening is to also recognize the month of October as Community Planning Month. The celebration of National Community Planning Month gives us the opportunity to publicly recognize the participation and dedication of appointed Planning Commission members who have contributed their time and expertise to the exceptional planning that makes the City of Thousand Oaks the amazing place it is today.
We recognize the many valuable contributions made by the professional city planners of the City of Thousand Oaks and extend our heartfelt thanks for the continued commitment to public service by these professionals. I'd like to invite Community Development Director Kelvin Parker, and Deputy Community Development Director Fabiola Zalaya-Melletcher, and some of the City Planning Division up to accept this proclamation.
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Good evening Mayor, thank you City Council Administration and members of the community. Thank you for this proclamation in recognizing planning month and the important role planning plays in our city. Planning is more than maps zoning development it is about people neighborhoods opportunity safety and quality of life. It is about thoughtful decisions And the decisions that we make today that create stronger, more connected, more resilient community for tomorrow.
On behalf of the planning staff I want to thank the city council and administration for your continuous support, leadership and partnership. Your commitment makes this work possible and help us serve the community. So thank you. We truly appreciate the recognition. Thank you.
Can you guys join me for one more photo, please? All right, next up is public comments. Will the City Clerk please announce public comments?
This is the time and place for public comments. Speakers are requested to state their name and community of residence for the record. Six individuals have requested to speak pursuant to Council standards. Speakers are allowed three minutes. The yellow light displays when you have one minute remaining.
All right, and I'm gonna call all in person first but actually it doesn't look like we have any on Zoom tonight. Okay so everybody in person great. First up will be Miss Geiselman and yeah
that's all. This one or this one, or does it matter? Okie dokie. Yes hi my name is Mrs. Geiselman I live in Foxmoor community in Thousand Oaks and first and foremost before I begin I wanted to publicly thank Ted Gerber and Saeed for their dedication and ongoing problem that has been completed they came in the tail end of an issue worked diligently to see that it was done correctly and very respectful crew they sent out Meeting the requirements that result in a satisfied finished project. So I just wanted to thank him and his staff, I want to say that publicly as well as mentioning Chief Parris who actually came and helped us with patrolling and sighting cars that were parked on the curbs of Little Potrero that were blocking the sight line of residents' drivers exiting their streets so I would like to publicly thank him as well Today, I come to you as Vice President of Foxmoor HOA with a problem that has been continuing for over a year now in our community.
It is a city issue because the Greenbelt that runs through Foxmoor is owned by the City so our HOA has no jurisdiction to monitor or set rules for anyone using this area. However, we as residents are affected daily by anything that goes on on the Greenbelt. In the far end of Foxmoor in the grass area behind and adjacent to Margate Place and Cromwell Place several people have designated this place as their personal dog park. At least six to eight dog owners with large dogs come every night between 5.30 and 7.30, depending on daylight and weather, to let their dogs off the leash to run. They play freely chasing balls running after whomever or whatever comes down the green belt. I have spoken to these dog owners and tried to resolve the issue but to no avail.
Residents have contacted Animal Patrol who have tried to solve this issue on many occasions, but have run up against these arrogant people who as soon as they see the officers leash up their dogs and then as soon as they leave they unleash them. So this leaves animal control with an issue. They have repeatedly, and when they were asked about that they repeatedly say we don't care give us a citation.
I'm going to do what I want. Okay both children adults have been chased after people are reluctant to walk there one lady who lives there dreads coming home because she knows the running dogs are going to be in her backyard recently having surgery she dared not even go out for a walk afraid of getting attacked A terminally ill man didn't go out for walks on his last day of life for fear of getting jumped on or run over by these loose dogs. Signs say, dogs on leashes are posted in plain sight. They simply just don't care these people. Our Foxmoor owners did not sign up for a dog park in their backyard it is a city ordinance to keep your dog on a leash, and an ordinance is a local law. This law needs to be enforced. Being that this is city property the liability will of course be in your court when something happens, and of course you know it will happen.
So on behalf of these residents and all of us in this community of Foxmoor please put a stop to this behavior. There are plenty of dog parks in the area available to these people, and our Greenbelt is just not one of those so I thank you for your immediate attention. Thank you. I made it,
okay. That was impressive. Yeah! I was so nervous. Do you know how many words you had? That was like literally great. Thanks Ms. Guzman. Scott Bell next up Scott Bell
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Hello again, Scott Belden, Thousand Oaks. Honorable Mayor, City Council, I'm back like I told you. I'm trying not to get frustrated. I've given you guys everything here on Airbnbs. Nothing's been done. I haven't heard from anybody except for Mayor Taylor. Are you guys going to do anything? You should have one in your neighborhood. It's pretty frustrating. I provided you all the cities that have made STRs illegal. I provided you the information where cities have mandated that they carry insurance for liability, like what happened to my cars when they were hit, Hit and Run.
I've also given you all the signatures except for one in our neighborhood that signed the petition to you to do something. I'm pretty frustrated. I am going to be here every month And if I have to, I guess I'm going to have to do another article in the Acorn, reopen my Facebook account. But I'm going to do whatever it takes for you guys to do your jobs. You should have one in your neighborhood. You'd enjoy it.
Thank you for your help. That's all I have.
Thank you Scott. Next up is Christopher Hicks.
Good evening, thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. I'm actually talking on the same subject. I am another resident of the street but it's more of just a city or a street issue. It's a city issue so you know my background a little bit. I was in law enforcement for 35 years and I used to deal with problems like this on a daily basis and the last thing I want to do after I've left that profession is to deal with it on a daily basis at my house In short, last night at 3 o'clock in the morning I was awakened by a woman screaming next door. There were at least 10 people in the house. That woman earlier in the evening had sped off down the street after having an argument with one of the young men there.
I didn't get involved. Three o'clock in the morning, I called local law enforcement. I don't know if they ever responded or not but I believe they did because they usually will do so. I have no complaints about how law enforcement deals with the issue. The reality is this like Scott has stated You guys don't live next to one, you don't understand. I've dealt with this for seven years, the marijuana, the parties, the pornography being filmed there, numerous parties, the gang members that used to be there.
My question to you is Simi Valley, Oxnard, all these surrounding cities, Santa Monica, they all have ordinance against this. I'm not sure why as a residence for over 30 years that you guys aren't willing to at least address this issue? to look at it, to work with us as citizens to come up with an idea and a plan to fix it. It's a business there's the owner of the building or that the residence has never stayed at that property in sense it's a hotel he's getting away with not paying business taxes being properly insured no regulations whatsoever right now there's no less than four big Commercial trucks parked in that property that they're rented out to construction companies or electrical businesses, stuff like that. The owner has tried to be compliant with us.
I'm not complaining directly about him. I am asking the city to at least address the issue. Why are you so hesitant to put into place an ordinance that collects revenue and pays taxes for a business operated? If I was a taco stand on the sidewalk, you'd be charging me. If I was a food cart, you would be charging me. If i was a hotel, you charge me tax. This is a hotel I'm just asking as a resident of this community for you to at least address it. Ms. Gutierrez, I'm sorry you've called me twice.
We've never been able to set up a time to actually communicate about this. I would hope that you would take the time to actually set a time and a place where we both can communicate so thank you.
Thank You Christopher Next up is Laura Tribble
Hello, members of the council. I am here tonight as a volunteer, oh sorry my name's Laura Tribble, I'm from Thousand Oaks and I'm here as a volunteer from 805 Undocufund and unfortunately I don't have good news. What's happening in our community? I will tell you since the beginning of Trump's 45 day immigration enforcement surge we have documented over 60 community members taken off the street in our local communities.
The most alarming thing about this surge is that non-criminal immigrants are being targeted, specifically. These are our neighbors, coworkers and our parents and our children. And I want to remind everybody what some of these detentions have looked like right here in our city. Five ICE vehicles detained a father leaving behind his wife, infant and toddler in the car.
A mother and her 11 year old child were reportedly taken while driving to school A young woman who was following the law was detained at her required immigration check-in by vehicles without license plates. A man was taken near Herb's Road on his way to work, leaving his truck. And perhaps the most heartbreaking one is a man who has lived here 20 years was detained at an immigration check-in following the law and sent to Adelanto facing deportation to Oaxaca and separation from his wife and U.S. citizen son.
These are families being torn apart right here in our backyard. And with everything happening in our community, transparency and accountability from local law enforcement have never been more important. And I want to bring up the Truth Act Forum which is a California law requiring counties to hold a public forum when local law enforcement has provided ICE access to individuals in custody.
This forum gives the public an opportunity to understand those interactions and ask questions, and provide comments that the Board of Supervisors is required to receive and consider. And the date of that will be... The forum is held by the Board of Supervisors at the Ventura Government Center on October 20th at 4 p.m. My ask is that you attend. It's important to attend. Your presence matters and at the last truth act forum, our Sheriff Fryhoff delivered his report and turned around and walked out. He didn't stay to hear a single public comment from the very community members he serves. The board is legally required to hear them but while the sheriff is not walking out before hearing from his constituents was basically a big F you.
I'm sorry excuse my French. So why this matters to Thousand Oaks? Our city contracts with the Ventura County Sheriff's Office for law enforcement. These are the people entrusted with protecting our community and our council has a responsibility to understand how that relationship affects our residents. Transparency isn't just showing up to deliver a report, accountability means staying to listen especially when questions are uncomfortable I hope our council will attend the October 20th forum and demonstrate that the voices of our community matter. And, I want to give a special thanks to Councilwoman Ty Gutierrez and Councilman Newman for always being there at community events and board meetings and hearings to hear about this concerns. Thank you.
Thank You Laura and next up is Janice Green
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My name is Janice Green. I've been a resident of the City of Thousand Oaks since 1965, and I'm here tonight to respectfully oppose placing the words in God we trust on or in Thousand Oaks City Hall. I want to be clear this is not about opposing religion or taking away anyone's right to express their faith. We have personal spaces to do such—our homes, houses of worship, cars, clothing. But City Hall is different. It belongs equally to every resident of Thousand Oaks, people of every faith and people who have no religious beliefs at all. When our government prominently displays a statement declaring trust in God, it can send the message that some beliefs are more closely aligned with our government than others.
I also believe we need to be accurate about our history. Our national motto, In God We Trust, was not adopted until 1956—nearly 180 years after the Declaration of Independence. It does not appear in the Declaration or the Constitution. Similar to adding Under God to our Pledge of Allegiance, the history of these additions were more performative religiousness during the Cold War than signs of faith.
I also heard a claim at a council meeting that our country was founded on the Holy Trinity. Our founders certainly used religious language and religion played a role in early American history, but that is very different from saying that our government was founded on the Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity. The Constitution does not mention God, Jesus, Christianity or the Trinity. Instead it explicitly states that no religious test shall ever be required for public office. The First Amendment protects religious freedom and prohibits the government from establishing religion.
Our founders held a wide range of beliefs, and we can acknowledge the role of faith in our history without rewriting that history to suggest our government was founded on one particular religious doctrine or that it should follow one in the future. I have to ask what problem does this solve? How does displaying this phrase improve public safety, address homelessness, maintain our parks or make Thousand Oaks a better place to live. What is the reason behind this and when would come next? The Ten Commandments?
I ask those who have attended Council meetings in support of this proposal to consider the entire community, not only their church but neighbors with many different beliefs and ways of practicing them. Why place one group's beliefs on a public building meant to serve everyone? Approving this display would send a clear message about your position on the separation of religion and government.
For these reasons, I respectfully ask you not to move forward with displaying this at the Thousand Oaks City Hall. Thank you.
Thank you Janice and next up is Heather Hamilton.
Hello. Oh, I almost forgot my glasses. Okay, I want to share an experience from this past week which will explain why I can barely walk if you watch me. I participated in almost half of a 96-mile interfaith pilgrimage from Adelanto in the Mojave Desert to downtown LA in 110 degree weather. In solidarity with our neighbors living in fear of being brutalized, detained and sent into unimaginable conditions.
And I believe that history will reveal not only what happened to these human beings but how many people chose to look away. I walked alongside rabbis, pastors and peacemakers. We were praying with our feet. Let me tell you what we were praying against. I heard from people who had been detained at Adelanto. They shared things I didn't know where our friends and neighbors are being sent to, and it's honestly heartbreaking.
You know how you read Yelp reviews before booking a hotel like if they have nice sheets or in-room jacuzzis or room service? Well let me tell you what Adelanto has. Federal inspectors found when they looked at 20 cells 15 of them were found to have had nooses hanging from them, and the guards reportedly said removing them was not a priority. Investigators have documented delayed medical care, murky drinking water and reports of pepper spray being used against people experiencing mental episodes. I mean can you imagine? Of course they had mental episodes there.
The lights are on 24 hours a day, it's freezing and their food is wretched. Mold and larvae have been found in the showers, and we've had people recently die there from the conditions. And according to ICE's own data, roughly six out of 10 people detained at Adelanto have no criminal record. These are all documented findings that anyone with a quick Google search can look at, and they've been happening for years.
And our apathy allows their suffering to continue because it's easier to not look. And I'm here to say do not look away. I learned on this pilgrimage that there are churches that serve love and there are churches that serve power. There are courageous pastors, and there were cowardly pastors. There are good law enforcement officers, and there are those who abuse authority.
And it is our responsibility—those of us with privilege and power—we have the responsibility to step in and help our neighbors. It's unfortunate that caring, compassionate human beings are called radicals. But I am grateful to be surrounded by extraordinary radicals showing up for our neighbors. And wouldn't it be wonderful if we packed this chamber with as many people passionate about protecting human beings as protecting the downtown project? Because we can do both!
Love is something we do, it is not something we plaster on a wall in a chamber like so many people have come in here and advocated for. And I am so grateful for the amazing work right here in the Conejo Valley standing up for our neighbors that continues to grow week by week because a lot of people are realizing you cannot look away from the horror that is happening. Thank you.
Thank you Heather
and next up is Suzanne Duckett.
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Good evening, Suzanne Duckett from the corrupt city of Thousand Oaks. Tonight I don't have a real prepared speech because on next door There's a wonderful group effort instead of my speech tonight with Mikey and his neighbors in Newbury Park, District 1. It's fabulous. You will be able to decide what kind of person you want up here in front of us for the next several years, so I encourage everyone to go to Nextdoor and listen carefully and make your decision from Nextdoor.
Tonight I would also like to talk about Karen, who is also running for District 1 in Newbury Park. I came from pharmaceuticals and I am very much Probiotech. This is an industry which has kept all of us alive for a long time, does very good at keeping us healthy while we're going through our problems. It's for us elderly people, younger people, our kids and our grandchildren It's kept all of us alive for many years.
This is a business that believes in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And Karen was in contracts And contracts at Amgen was important because it goes through details, it evaluates details, legal issues and fairness. So she is definitely my person to be elected even though I can't vote in District 1. I would encourage people to vote for Karen for District 1 Thank you. Good evening.
Thank you, Suzanne. That's all the speakers correct? All right next is we're going to move over to our consent calendar. Does anyone have any questions or anything anyone would like to pull? Can I have a motion for consent? All right we have a motion can the city clerk please call the vote
Council Member Engler?
Yes.
And Council Member Gutierrez? Yes, and that motion passes five to zero
All right next up we have our first public hearing Excuse me our second public hearing will the city clerk please open this hearing This is the first this is the first
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Am I on the right item?
Item 10A
Here we, we're back. First public hearing will the city clerk please open this hearing?
Hearing advertised as required by law is open to consider agenda item number 10A Hollycrest Homes for sale affordable housing project modifications there are no speakers for this item
okay and presenting the item tonight is associate planner Nicole Katz
Good evening one moment while I queue up those slides All right, good evening Mayor Taylor, Council Members and members of the public. My name is Nicole Katz and I am an Associate Planner with the City of Thousand Oaks Planning Division. The item before you this evening pertains to project updates to the Hollycrest Homes affordable for sale housing development at 384 Herbs Road This evening, there are five requests for your consideration.
The first request is to adopt a resolution finding that the project is categorically exempt from CEQA pursuant to section 15332 infill development projects and statutorily exempt pursuant to section 15194 affordable housing projects and to approve residential plan development permit major modification RPD 2023-70014 Tentative track map minor modification TTM 2023-7001 and underground utility waiver UUW 2026-7003.
The remaining requests are to approve amendments to the disposition and development agreement, to authorize the city manager to negotiate and draft a first amended and restated DDA, to authorize the city manager to execute the first amended and restated DDA on behalf of the city and to authorize the City Manager to act on behalf of the city whenever an administrative action is required to implement the first amended and restated DDA in its associated documents, except for matters that are reserved under state law to the City Council or if the City Manager determines they should be referred to the City Council.
Within the first portion of the project there are three related entitlements RPD major modification involves modifications to the previously approved 78 unit residential development consisting primarily of architectural revisions, including the removal of balconies and associated design changes. Tentative track map modification involves modification of condition of approval number 173 within resolution 2024-003 which is to revise the mix of affordable units consistent with the mix of affordable units proposed by the developer presently.
An underground utility waiver, which involves waiving the requirement to underground electrical transmission poles and overhead utilities along the northern and eastern property lines. On your screen is an aerial view of the property. The property is located at 384 Herbs Road, which is at the southeast corner of Herbs Road and Hillcrest Drive, and is zoned R3 with a general plan land use designation of Neighborhood High.
The property is approximately 3.89 acres in size, and it is surrounded by single-family residentially zoned properties to the north and east, multi-family residentially zoned properties to the south and west, and Estella Park to the southeast. City Council has previously taken action on this project. The first action involves City Council's approval of the project through Resolution 2024-003 on March 19, 2024 which found the project exempt from CEQA, approved entitlements, declared the site as exempt surplus land, approved the DDA and authorized the city manager to implement the DDA.
The second action was during the April 14th, 2026 meeting where City Council authorized a city manager to negotiate amendments to the DDA and the underlying entitlements and directed staff to research the feasibility of a citywide impact fee waiver for 100% affordable projects. For sale projects. The third and most recent action was during the September 15, 2026 meeting where City Council adopted a citywide impact fee waiver for 100% affordable for sale housing development projects.
This ordinance exempts payment of the police facilities in city traffic impact fees. The fee waiver is available to all qualifying projects for which this project is eligible. When the project was originally entitled by the City Council in 2024, the City Council granted the following deviations from development standards. Pursuant to State Density Bonus Law, the applicant was granted one concession and one waiver.
The concession decreased the open space required for the project from 35% to 9.19%, and the waiver provided reduced front, side, and rear setbacks. As permissible under the Thousand Oaks Municipal Code, the applicant was granted two modifications to objective design standards. One modification allowed deviations from the rowhouse access standard and the other modification allowed the development to forego the usable outdoor open space requirement for rowhouse units Since the project's original entitlements, the applicant has submitted construction drawings, analyzed construction costs and continues to work towards obtaining all necessary financing.
Through this process, the applicant has identified modifications from the entitled project which are necessary to develop the units. On the chart before you is a compilation of the project deviations with the new and modified items bolded. Removing the balconies from the project results in conflicts with Thousand Oaks Municipal Code sections 9-4.2205C2 and 9- 4.904E4.
A state density bonus law concession and waiver may be used to accommodate the request. The previously granted concession pertaining to decreasing the open space standards has been shifted to a state density bonus law waiver. To summarize the overall project, a total of one state density bonus law concession is requested to accommodate balcony removal Three total state density bonus law waivers are requested, including the existing waiver previously granted for setback reductions. The open space decrease which was previously granted as a concession and one new waiver to accommodate balcony removal.
Two total ODS modifications are requested which include the two previously granted objective design standard modifications and one new condition of approval modification is requested to increase retaining wall heights. On your screen is an architectural rendering of a building from the project. The image on the bottom shows the project as previously entitled, which has balconies on units on the second floor.
The image on the top shows the proposed design with the balconies removed and in place of the balconies roof overhangs and windows instead of the balconies and sliding glass doors. Balconies were required to satisfy objective design standards and residential plan development standards. The objective design standard within municipal code section 9-4.2205C2 required that a minimum of 25% of residential units facing a street, alley or common interior courtyard provide a balcony overlooking a public space with a minimum size of 6 feet by 4 feet.
The Residential Plan Development Standard within Municipal Code Section 9-4.904E requires that townhome ownership units in excess of seven units per net acre must provide private yard areas as stated by the underlying RPD permit. To satisfy these code requirements, the previous resolution had Condition of Approval Number 15 which necessitated balconies. The request from the applicant involves removal of all previously proposed balconies.
The applicant has indicated that providing balconies would result in identifiable construction and maintenance costs, which would adversely impact the ownership cost for the 100% affordable for sale housing project. Plan preparation, engineering, materials and labor for balcony construction would increase the project costs and could affect unit sales costs.
Additionally, the HOA will be responsible for the ongoing maintenance and inspection of the balconies resulting in recurring costs that could increase HOA dues. The objective design standard is intended to provide connections to exterior space and enhance the architectural design of facades. The modified project would continue to address the intent of this objective design standard by replacing the sliding door with a larger window which incorporates decorative trim and recessing, which provides facade articulation.
Staff supports the request to utilize a state density bonus law concession to remove the requirement to install balconies pursuant to Thousand Oaks Municipal Code section 9-4.2205C2. Strict application of the balcony requirement in the residential plan development standards would physically preclude the construction of the project with a number of units needed to meet the density required for the site under the general plan.
Staff supports the request to utilize a state density bonus law waiver to remove the requirement to install balconies pursuant to municipal code section 9-4.904E4 Since balconies were required within condition number 15 of resolution 2024-003, the conditions should be removed as described in the staff report and the proposed resolution. To establish the building pad necessary for the project, various retaining walls were proposed during the project's original entitlement.
Condition number 37 limited the maximum exposed height of retaining walls to six feet. Through site design and engineering, the applicant team has determined that walls two, three, four, five and six will have portions that exceed the exposed height of six feet. Of those walls, only Walls 2 and 6 will be visible from the public right-of-way off of Erbes Road.
On your screen is a site plan which indicates the retaining wall placements, depicting only the walls which have portions exceeding the six-foot limitation. The site grading and retaining wall design is intended to limit grading and preserve existing topography. Since the building pad sits significantly below the grade off Hillcrest Drive, the portion of Wall 3 exceeding 6 feet in height will not be visible from the right-of-way.
Furthermore, walls four and five are located in the interior of the site and also will not be visible from the adjacent streets. This plan view demonstrates a more refined view of walls two and six with the exposed portions of the walls exceeding six feet in height are depicted in red. These walls retain the sloping terrain along the western portion of the site to establish the building pad and to accommodate electrical transformers.
The additional height requested for these walls would reduce ground disturbance, preserve the site's terrain and accommodate construction of the units at the density permitted. Conditions of approval remain in place to soften the appearance of the retaining walls. As such staff supports the request for additional wall height and has provided revised language for condition of approval number 37 in the proposed resolution.
Thousand Oaks Municipal Code Section 7-5.202A requires that developers underground existing adjacent utilities. This requirement was applied to the project through Condition of Approval No. 78, which necessitated utility undergrounding. Adjacent to the site along the north and east property lines are various electrical transmission poles with overhead utilities highlighted on your screen in yellow.
Waivers of underground utility requirements may be granted for non-single family residential projects where undergrounding would be unreasonable or impractical considering the use of the property. The poles outside the north property line adjacent to Hillcrest Drive are already within the Hillcrest Drive segment of the city's Undergrounding Utility Master Plan, which identifies these facilities for future undergrounding by the city.
Granting the waiver would not preclude the city from pursuing the improvements through its own undergrounding program. Furthermore, the applicant has indicated that undergrounding the utilities would increase project costs adversely impacting ownership costs for the 100% affordable housing project. For these reasons staff is in support of the underground utility waiver request and has provided revised language for condition number 78 in the proposed resolution Through the project modifications and DDA amendments, several of the conditions of approval within resolution 2024-003 require modifications.
The proposed resolution provides the revised language for the conditions of approval. To summarize, condition number 14 should be revised to reflect the new affordable unit mix. Condition number 15 should be removed if balcony removals are permitted. Condition number 37 should be revised to allow retaining walls 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 to exceed the six foot maximum exposed height limitation.
Condition number 78 should be revised to reflect the applicant's responsibility for project design of the undergrounding installations. And condition number 173 should also be revised to reflect the new affordable unit mix. The RPD major modification which involves the balcony removal, increases to retaining wall heights and modification of condition number 14 must comply with all of the four findings in Municipal Code section 9-4.2803C The modifications to the previously approved project remain consistent with the site's general plan and land use designation, and supports various general plan goals and policies.
The granting of the concession, waivers, and revised entitlement conditions are consistent with applicable local laws, local and state regulations, and policies including the municipal code. The modifications will not be detrimental to the public health, safety or general welfare. And the project modifications conform with the CEQA analysis which was previously conducted for the project.
The tentative track map minor modification, which involves the revision to condition number 173 to revise the mix of affordable units must comply with all four findings as described within municipal code section 9-3.702D. The revision of this condition does not impact the quality or quantity of any dedications, does not increase the number of lots or increase the configuration of the map, does not alter the intent or purpose of the prior conditions of approval and does not change any of the previously adopted findings.
The Underground Utility Waiver, which involves waiving the requirement to underground the existing overhead utility lines may be granted if the undergrounding requirement would be unreasonable or impractical based on at least one of the findings described within Municipal Code Section 7-5.203D Since the project involves a non-single family residential subdivision, would be cost prohibitive and several of the lines are already to be undergrounded within the city's undergrounding program. The requisite findings can be made to grant the underground utility waiver Building on the entitlement changes I just described, I will now cover the DDA updates including the revised affordability mix and current project financing plan.
The project will continue to provide 78 affordable homes for ownership. The proposed amendments updates the affordability mix to align with the current project financing and underwriting. Since conditions number 14 and 173 in resolution 2024-003 specify the affordability mix, these conditions require modification to reflect the updated affordability mix. Condition number 14 can be modified through the RPD major modification process and condition number 173 can be modified through the tentative track map minor modification process The number of moderate income homes would increase from 19 to 38, and the number of lower income homes would change from 59 to 40. 10 of the lower income homes will remain subject to the city's housing successor fund requirements and also satisfy the project's density bonus affordability requirement.
In short, the total number of affordable homes does not change. The amendment updates the income mix while preserving the city's 10 required lower income units. The first amended and restated DDA is the agreement that implements these updates. It updates the project scope, remove references to the Housing Trust Fund Ventura County, establishes a new ground lease structure with the Housing Land Trust Ventura County, resets the remaining performance schedule, and updates the sales price and resale price requirements.
It also reflects the current project budget and financing plan, including an estimated total development cost of approximately $47.9 million. These amendments align the DDA with the current Hollycrest Homes Project financing plan and affordability requirements. The environmental review previously conducted for the project determined that the project was categorically exempt from CEQA pursuant to section 15332, infill development projects and statutorily exempt from CEQAs pursuant to section 15194 affordable housing exemption.
Since the project changes do not materially alter the project's development intensity, the project remains exempt from CEQAS as previously determined within resolution 2024-003 The applications were noticed in accordance with Thousand Oaks Municipal Code and state requirements. At the time of initial packet publication, no written correspondence was received. However one piece of written correspondence was received this afternoon which has been included in the supplemental packet for your consideration.
To conclude, the project modifications can be accommodated through the mechanisms and applications described within this presentation in the documents in the packet. The modified project remains consistent with the city's requirements and the underlying entitlement conditions. Advancing the Hollycrest Homes Project remains a top City Council priority and approval of these requests would facilitate the development of the 100% affordable for sale housing project As such, staff recommends that the City Council adopt a resolution to find that the project is categorically exempt from CEQA pursuant to CEQA Guidelines Section 15332 Infill Development Projects and statutorily exempt pursuant to Section 15194 Affordable Housing. And to approve Residential Plan Development Permit Major Modification RPD 2023-70014 Tentative Track Map Minor Modification 2023-7001, and Underground Utility Waiver UUW 2026-7003 subject to the findings and conditions of approval contained in the proposed resolution.
Staff also recommends that the City Council approve amendments to the DDA, authorize the city manager and city attorney to negotiate and draft a first amended and restated DDA. Authorize the city manager to execute the final first amended and restated DDA And authorize the city manager to act on behalf of the city whenever an administrative action is required to implement the terms of the first amended and restated DDA in its associated documents, except for those matters that are reserved under state law to City Council or that the city manager determines should be referred to the City Council.
This concludes my presentation. I, along with members of the Community Development, Public Works and Finance Departments, the City Attorney's Office and members of the applicant team are available to answer your questions. Thank you.
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Thank You Nicole that was a great presentation anybody have any questions? Mr. Newman.
Thank You Mr. Mayor and thank you Miss Katz for your presentation Just a few quick questions on this. On financing, it is difficult to build anything and I think everyone here would agree that goes 100 times for affordable projects so my question on this is all of these proposed changes in the aggregate will they increase the likelihood that financing will be completed on this project and it will get built?
Thank you, Council Member Neumann. I would say yes. Obviously as mentioned by Ms. Katz some of these changes would decrease overall project construction costs, elimination of the balconies but they also decrease the ongoing cost that an owner would have such as HOA fees in order for the maintenance for balconies so yes it would decrease construction costs and then the overall cost to the owner And we have Veronica Garcia here who is with People Self-Help Housing, so she could more specifically answer that question as well about how much sooner they'd be able to start construction if these amendments were changed tonight.
Great thank you On the removal of the balconies They were referred to as private open space Is there other open space nearby? I know we've discussed this before, but just for the record it's not like open space goes away right. There are nearby spaces to recreate right?
Correct the removal of the balconies were just providing private open space for the individual units and the occupants of those units however there is common open space on the property as previously entitled they would maintain 9.19% of their overall development area as open space common to all residents But also, additionally to the southwest portion of the property there is Estella Park. And through conditions of approval that were implemented in the underlying entitlement they're going to be installing a pedestrian bridge that would provide or pedestrian pathway that would provide direct connection from the development to Estella Park to provide that amenity as well.
Great thank you and then a follow-up question on the balcony removal. The scope of this change is to this project only right? We're not getting rid of all balconies citywide or anything like that correct?
That is correct. We're just reviewing this individual project.
Thanks, and then my final question has to do with the bit about the walls that exceed six feet in height. You said the most prominent ones are building walls two and six. And I think you said wall two is the one that is 10 feet and change? Is it?
Let me pull up one moment my slides. But yes, walls two and six correct I guess you could describe those as the most prominent because they will be visible from the public right away off of Herbs Road. One moment while I pull up my quick note on the precise heights for you. Wall 2 at maximum exposed height would actually be 7 feet and 11 inches. The 10-foot wall that you're referring to is wall 3 but that was not
visible to the public. All right. But that's 7 foot one that is visible. I think you also referenced that Herb's Road is itself sloping, it's rising as we head north correct? That is correct. So was the seven foot a maximum height or is Across
that's the maximum height it will step up at different portions So it'll be you know less than seven feet significantly starting in the wall, and then it will slope upwards
Okay so some of it could even be less than the six-foot limit
exactly those walls that I had highlighted that have Port that Portions that exceed that six foot limitation not at the entirety of the walls
great. Thanks very much appreciate it Mr..
Adams Thank you, Mayor. So it's been established obviously that these modifications would bring down the construction costs and as you mentioned Jamie bring down future fees for homeowners with they bring down the actual price of the units?
I will leave that up to Veronica to answer
Hi,
good evening Mayor, Council Members and staff. In fact yes because the cost will be establishing the value for the homes and the contract price we are raising the down payment assistance in the financing the secondary financing buyers will need to be able to afford the cost of construction so any anything and everything that we do to reduce the cost To construct directly carries over to the actual cost to the buyers and then we are bringing secondary financing to the table to ensure that the homes will be affordable at the designated income affordability levels.
Yeah, I mean it would just seem logical to me. Obviously the construction costs are going to go down and the price of the units will go down which would be favorable to people buying them and these are affordable for sale units with ownership involved so we want to see that happen. Okay, one other thing. Are you with People's Self-Help?
I am. I apologize, I didn't introduce myself. Veronica Garcia, Chief Real Estate Development Officer with People Self-Help Housing.
Okay great and if I recall for staff we had a time limit as to how long we were going to give people self help to put the financing together or didn't we? Was it five years or something?
I can handle that question. Yeah, there is a period of time and there's extensions that are built into the agreement and one extension has already been issued and there's additional time that's available under the agreement still.
Okay so where are we now?
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People self-help is required to submit quarterly pre development reports to the city. So they just submitted their latest quarterly report and based on that I think anticipated construction was in March of 2027?
Our goal is to start the infrastructure construction next year as far as the timetables for the DDA, I believe that there's one additional extension if I'm not mistaken. But with the approval of an amended and restated DDA that will extend out the horizon for required construction start, which a lot will also align with our state performance deadline because now we've we've secured a state Cal home award and We received that contract over the summer Now the state has its own performance metrics that the project will need to meet So now the city's DDA and the state contract are will be more aligned in terms of the actual performance goals for the project
Yeah, we're trying to get it. I mean this is a highly desirable project. It's one of our priorities and just trying to get a timeline here. Sounds like you've come a long way. This is not easy to do, I know for sure so appreciate hearing that. So did you hear you say maybe 27? Our goal
is to start the infrastructure construction next year with council's approval to proceed tonight. We'll be able to bring closure to some of these open questions that impact the actual construction costs of the project and the design of the project. Our next steps would be to solidify final construction cost estimates based on the plans that we have now, And and solidify our financing plans, so we'll be evaluating the best paths forward for the project. We have state subsidy for 40 low-income buyers. We may be able to stretch that subsidy out further thanks to some of staffs in the city's actions tonight to be able to reduce the costs But that's what we'll be evaluating over the next few months to determine if we want to advance the project as one overall construction project.
More than likely, we'll need to phase it because it is a very large development and so that's what we'll be studying over the next few months but our goal is to at least get started with infrastructure next year and then follow with vertical construction because now we do have a state contract that requires performance for and delivery of at least 40 low-income homes So that's our goal to break ground next year.
And these modifications you're requesting tonight will definitely help expedite the project?
It definitely helps expedite the project because the more costly the project, the longer, the more subsidy that we have to raise to fill that gap between what it actually costs to build and produce a home versus what a low-income buyer can afford in conventional first mortgage.
Okay, great. Thank you for coming up very informative.
Thank you very much and thank you very much to staff This is an incredibly competent and efficient City team it's really been a real pleasure working with the staff so far. Thank you so much.
Good to hear
that Mr. Engler Thank You mr. Mayor and don't go too far Thank you and first off, thank you to the staff and to our contractors so to speak. People's Health Health and the city have been working on this for several years it's been a goal of the city to accomplish this very difficult task over the last few years and thank you all for the effort that you put into it so to have brought us this far I think As long as I have you up there, I'd like to delve a little bit more into the reduction of the low income and making the moderate income a more sizable fraction of the for sale affordable. Can you go a little bit on why we did that? Because everything else is construction related and I'll talk a little bit about that stuff as well. But what was the...
Why do we go from basically 59 low-income to 40?
So when we first started our discussions and evaluating the project, we're really looking very closely at what are the governing and most restrictive requirements for affordability. And I think the technical question is we discovered we have more flexibility in terms of the actual minimum affordability goals But notwithstanding the minimum affordability requirements under state law, we have financing that's committed to the project that requires at least 40 low-income buyers. So at least 40 homes have half to sell to low income buyers meaning households who earn 80% area median income and below The balance of the project, 38 homes originally we were contemplating up to 19 homes for moderate income buyers. So now we have double that up to 38 moderate income buyers based on the subsidy sources that we have available today We think that 40, we know we can support at least 40 low-income buyers with the Cal Home Award.
The rest of the project would need additional subsidy more than likely to be able to guarantee that more homes could sell to low income buyers And we haven't given up on that. We will be exploring other sources such as the New Market Tax Credit Program and or possibly even applying for additional CalHome funding, but we need to solve for some questions with our state partners who oversee the CalHome program And we would need to evaluate and secure the new market's tax credit subsidy in order to guarantee that those, that we would be able to have additional subsidy for low income buyers.
Today to get direction on some of these planning items, we are presenting what we know we can deliver. We feel confident that we can deliver at least 40 homes for low income buyers and if we can do better, we will but given the trends that we're seeing with costs construction costs increasing, and unfortunately interest rates increasing. We are trying to be as realistic as possible about what the most likely scenario is absent additional public subsidy. If we can raise additional subsidies then we'll try to deliver more homes for low-income buyers in that because we're a mission driven developer, we will be motivated and try to make that happen.
So really right now it's a matter that there is not enough money out there to subsidize those lower income ones, therefore we need to go to a higher rate?
The price points will be different for the low-income homes and the moderate income homes because moderate income households will be able to have the higher income to afford a higher mortgage. conventional mortgage and that's more of our subsidy is going towards the low-income buyers. And even within the pool of low income homes, 10 homes are subject to more restrictive affordability requirements under the health and safety code And unfortunately that's very restrictive. If we had more flexibility with those homes that are subject to health and safety, we might be able to make that subsidy stretch farther but in this project because it is a higher cost project these are attached townhomes.
With HOA fees, we're pretty constrained in terms of the gap between the costs and what a low-income buyer can afford for their conventional first mortgage. By the time that we reach We're getting closer to closing. It may be that we've identified additional down payment sources and can expand, make more homes available to low income buyers but because those sources aren't committed today, we don't have contracts now for those additional subsidies. We wanted to present the most realistic scenario.
If we can do better, we will.
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The whole idea of this was for low income, so as much as you can do in that realm I would appreciate it personally. But I'm not sure if this is a good question for you. It has more to do with the construction side of it. The balconies, we had a nice little letter from someone this afternoon asking about balconies and hoping that we could retain them I totally understand where you're coming from on it. Balconies are a liability risk and a maintenance risk.
However, there's also the aesthetic side of it. How are you going to still retain some of that articulation that helps make a building attractive and something that people would want to own?
I our project architect is in the audience. I might defer to Mark would you like to come up here and address that question? I think it I understand it may Appear that we're removing an amenity, but I think that they're Over my years of experience in affordable housing. We also at times hear complaints about balconies and the storage people have out there on the balconies can also detract from the appearance depending on you know, not everyone is as on top of You know Cleanliness or how organized their their balconies may appear. So that's a there's a bit of disagreement around what that does to aesthetic and physical appearance, but I'd like to have our project architects speak to the design and articulation I feel confident that the project isn't losing value from an aesthetic point of view But I'd like for the architect to speak to that
I always enjoy having the experts, you know having a question. The experts have to come in on so thank you
That's your only mistake, calling me an expert at this point. Just a couple of things about it. Actually the original impetus for removing the balconies was actually more about a new state law that requires those balconies are inspected every certain amount of years and that goes directly to an HOA cost which then goes directly to the homeowners. So the whole idea, we can try to reduce the construction cost but there's also an HOA cost.
And that HOA cost ends up being a significant piece of the pie for an affordable housing person. So in the removal of the balconies, we ended up adding new roof elements and other sorts of things that maintain the articulation. We're also where we possibly can. It's a very tight site with—we have the minimum amount of units we can actually get on that site.
We also tried to then incorporate things on the ground floor as opposed to up on the second floor where the living spaces are. So now there's, in some cases a little bit additional areas down below that were more like patios on the ground floor that were added while we're removing the balconies. That only happens in areas where we have the room to do it But that's an additional amenity that we're putting back. And the other thing, and just I know this was discussed as well, but there is in fact open space on site, but there's also that directly adjacent to Estella Park that we're doing. So I hope that answers your question.
Thank you. Appreciate it. I know that from my perspective, I've always enjoyed the fact that most of our affordable housing I want to make sure that this product that we're putting out here for our lower income folks is as good quality
I totally agree with that, and the other thing about it is something that we've talked about before also in working with organizations such as Peoples. Although this is for sale, typically for a People's project those peoples will hold on to that project for many, many years. And so the actual way we construct them is actually more durable than many market rate projects that you'd see.
for that very reason. And I would submit that I'll put the design of this project as an affordable project up against anything in the area in terms of aesthetics.
Thank you. And one other quick question, if I could. This will be more for staff, I think. Thank you so much. In terms of there's modifications and waivers that are being asked and we have granted waivers and modifications in the past. What is our response? What ability to have waivers or modifications What control do we have over those? In other words, because this was 100% modification or a low income I know that there are certain things almost by right that developers have. What control do we have over those modifications and waivers?
Yeah, that's a good question. And there's a lot of things at play with this one. So there's kind of two flavors of concessions and waivers, right? And those are driven by the state density bonus law. And the first one is a concession which is something about the project that makes it financially better off And the difference with that is the waiver is a little bit different in that it's a change to the development standards. That would physically make the project possible on the site with the density that's required on the site, and the city is generally It's discretionary, but it's very difficult to say no to those. You'd need to either find that it's not what they say it is, it's not a financial benefit or they could physically build the project on site as designed or that there's some kind of public health and safety reason not to approve the concession waiver There's actually one other option here.
The DDA does require that the balconies be part of the project and that is one of the requested revisions, and that decision kind of lies outside of the state density bonus law. Did that answer your question?
Yeah thanks very much. Mr. Mayor thank you. Thank You Mr. Gutierrez
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Thank you for the presentation. And I've learned a lot as the questions ran down the dais here, so apologies if I repeat any questions. I think my biggest, the biggest takeaway from these modifications was that the affordable housing units, their level, their affordability level changed very drastically as Bob mentioned and I appreciate the insights on the flexibility in that being a Being something that was possible, right? The flexibility.
And I understand that the financing is very difficult. I'm getting to a question I think but I just because those were along the same lines I just wanted to Because my question typically, and staff knows this of me is like what more could we be doing? Like how do we get those back? And this is probably just again to people's but I appreciated you kind of reminding me real time that your mission Driven developer, right? And so that if you can do better you will and I Will second Bob's request that be the plan forward if the funding changes if the administration's If anything changes that we continue to look back at securing those 19 units I guess my question around some of the maintenance and financing is I know that, I think we're cutting a lot of costs.
And one thing that I think I haven't heard anyone answer real directly and maybe it's just we don't know yet is the cost of the units right? Of the homes in both categories and the reason why I ask that very like very directly is because we very directly are talking about the numbers and the costs that are being saved but I'm not getting to see the price of the home go down And so that sometimes, it's like when a file is in the cloud.
I wondered if there's any range or if you can just be more specific as to why we're not talking about a unit price even if it's projected? And I know that's hard to do. It's like looking into an orb and trying to predict the future but You know, the numbers and the calculations are being based off of today. And so even today's number would be relevant to To the insights I'm seeking sure I
in terms of the exact Construction cost savings that that's a bit of a moving mark for us as well because some because we are yet to receive The the final construction cost estimate based on today's plans construction plans But with all of the measures I think that the project is likely saving roughly three to four million dollars by removing balconies by being able to access relief or utility undergrounding and and the impact fee potential relief. And we're not getting relief from 100% of the impact fees, there's still about a million dollars of park fee that the project will pay water and sewer connection fees so not all fees are going away but If it's roughly four million, that's 50,000 per unit. That's significant and the most affordable mortgage is in terms of our...
We have seven plan types in the project. The cost per home, the cost to construct each home ranges from approximately $476,000 to 762,000. We have one, two, three and four bedroom townhomes Some two-story, some three story. Every home gets an attached garage and that's just the cost to construct. We are raising the secondary financing to assist home buyers. The conventional mortgage may range.
The lowest mortgage we are modeling at $169,000 And those are the units that have the more restrictive health and safety code underwriting requirements. An unsubsidized unit, because our highest cost is roughly 762 with no subsidy, a mortgage could be as much as $700,000 unless the buyer brings additional cash down payment. It is helpful to hear Council feedback about the affordability. We are looking at other options such as currently our pricing assumes conventional mortgages, which are subject to today's interest rates.
We are advocating to state CalHFA, and actually we brought together a group of other affordable for sale developers operating in the state to advocate that CalHFA bring back some of the programs that they used to have. Thank you. This meeting is Calumet, Calumet is the program that Hollycrest is partially funded by. So if Prop 1 passes we may be able to once again go back and ask for additional funding to support the unassisted homes in the project. And there's new market tax credit equity potential. We're closing our first new market tax credit transaction next month for a single family subdivision in Santa Maria, and that could bring another four to five million dollars depending on the pricing. So we are looking at other avenues, other ways to improve affordability.
I appreciate that. I just needed to like put some scope of number and impact to the future homeowners in our community which I'm very grateful to even be saying that on a dais here in Ventura County I appreciate you mentioning the phasing of the project and the requirement by the state to deliver 40 low affordable homes. Does that mean you'll prioritize and build those first?
Well, that's exactly the question we have before us. I think that's a possibility. I think what we're hearing from our contractors is that more than likely we would build buildings one through four first. So we're going to be evaluating over the next few months whether we would try to deliver as many of those CalHome units in the first phase and then go back and find additional CalHome or other subsidy to support buildings five through eight.
And that's the question, because if we try to spread Calumet and the low-income units between both phases or if the city says it's a priority to get the whole project built at once then we're less likely to be able to make more low income homes available.
Thank you for saying that out loud, that was my next question. Once they are built how if at all is it possible to change the level of affordability? I imagine is it locked in after we Build or can you find the funding later and then we can retain or get those 19 homes back. We just change You know, it's a lot of paperwork I'm sure but you know in my mind a quick change to this is low
Unfortunately,
no, I don't really think we'll be able
to really make sometimes changes are more manageable in the rental context because we're the owner and we can make that decision but in this context Before in order to secure the financing the construction financing a construction loan We need to have everything dialed in and the assumptions set for who we're going to sell the homes too, and we're anticipating that we would need to have homes reserved so pre-sale contracts In order to be able to start vertical construction. So our plan will be to identify buyers Before we start vertical construction, that's more than likely what the lender would it would expect and require of us So if the goal is maximize low-income homes We're likely going to phase the project deliver as many of those Cal home units in Phase one find more subsidy for Phase two If we but under the current proposal the project pencils with as many as 38 moderate income units, but that means fewer subsidized homes.
So those are some of the decision points that we'll be exploring and navigating, but at the end of the day our goal is still going to be to maximize affordability, bring in as many subsidy sources as we can before we have to kind of pencil down and finalize what the underwriting assumptions will be There's affordability can always improve, but it would only improve with buyer down payment assistance programs or other down payment assistance programs that go directly to the buyer. And those aren't resources Peoples brings to the project. Those are resources that we might be able to help the buyer access, but they would be the applicant at that point.
I could keep you here all night. I appreciate your expertise and I would like to at another meeting probably get into the applicant and securing or how we're going to
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I just wanted to build on some of what was shared. So the applicant team and our city team we've met countless times, and we have advocated for funding sources and explored all sorts of things so what you have before you tonight is an opportunity to advance the project forward. What you, with the feedback they've received and they received it from us too is affordability is critical but we are getting into a dicey period of time where it gets to a project or no project and we've sort of gotten into that level of detail As you heard, there was a discussion around phasing. So phasing may be something that's explored. Phasing is not on the table tonight. We don't have phasing contemplated in the DDA and there is a bond on the agenda. There are some other components on there and something may break and we may come back before you with phasing that would allow for potentially that to happen but what I think is critical for the council tonight to recognize all these components here notwithstanding the phasing and the additional pieces they're mission-critical have this project continue to stay moving forward.
Understood, I'm in full support of pushing this along. I think it's more trying to wrap my head around the future state and what's feasible and I think I'm learning that. I appreciate you having those answers and the time to ask them. Yeah, I'm a little bit late on my homework as Drew knows so I am making up for some of that now so I apologize but... I wanted to talk about resale and but I think these are all later down the line questions and so I don't wanna get ahead of myself or keep everyone You walked down and so I want to give you the opportunity to maybe add if you had something
Just just a real quick comment from the from the construction side of things. If The phasing was brought up and the thing about phasing is unfortunately, if we phase it in multiple things We still have to build all the infrastructure first And that puts an undue burden, at least in terms of construction cost on that first phase which then affects HOA fees and other sorts of things that go along with it. So that's just something to keep in the back of your mind as well.
Yeah.
So ultimately the project will end up also costing more if they have to basically come to the construction site twice as opposed to doing it all at once. Sure.
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for calling that out. I know we haven't talked about insurance but removing the balconies also lowers that maintenance cost and for future homeowners as well. I appreciate all the work that has gone into this and and I do believe that we're speaking with the experts so appreciate yeah all the work by staff and and by people's I think I don't have any other questions. I would like to share some information if that's appropriate.
If you're okay with it, why don't we wait until comments? That's what I asked. Thank you. Okay awesome. Thanks, thank you Ty. All right. The nice thing about going last, there's so many questions that I think I can make mine very quick and I am so sorry. I think I'm gonna pull you guys up for this one. I should have opened my mouth before. Number one, I know how difficult this is to get 100% for sale housing online. You guys are moving mountains to make this possible The only question I really have is, I understand changing the mix of affordability makes the project more feasible.
And then removing the balconies brings down costs you mentioned about potentially $4 million saved. Does that help you guys? I know it's naturally going to help you close the gap on funding. Does it get the gap closed?
In our modeling before interest rates increased, yes. Interest rates have increased, and it took us a few weeks to come to terms and accept that that's the case. But again, the project was penciling, is penciling, but we'd like to have more room. It still fairly tight so that's why we're continuing to explore other avenues to improve affordability and or have more contingency.
Okay, great. So then if the moving of interest rates created a gap then what you're saying is you're actually pretty close?
I think we are okay pretty close right and We're going to be working on finalizing the construction cost update Solidifying that based on today tonight's approval if it moves forward.
Okay. Thank you guys so much All right, can you just confirm with me we do not have any public comments? Okay. Do I need to close the hearing? Yes, we are going to close the hearing and now we're gonna move over to comments or a motion Mr. Newman
Thank you Mr. Mayor, I want to thank begin by thanking everyone involved staff and certainly people self-help team. I concur with the mayor that you've moved mountains to get us to where we are tonight. I also want to thank Mayor Pro Tem Engler for raising the concern that we have sort of shifted the affordability window toward the more expensive side. So I'm very grateful to hear really good detailed information on the financing environment from people self-help and Ms. Garcia's statement that This is realism about where we're at, but this is not the end that the city and People Self-Help will continue to look for additional sources of subsidies. And no one I think here is wavering one bit from our commitment to deliver housing at all income levels including low income.
So please let me add my voice to that of Mayor Pro Tem Engler Councilmember Gutierrez, I too would encourage you if you can to find additional sources of subsidies. I've personally heard of one or two possibilities that I'd be happy to meet with you and talk over to see if these are a good fit. I still think...I'm very pleased to hear that we're really close if not right there now so I think this is a good thing to have this being moved forward in its present form.
So with that, I will go ahead and move item 10A based on staff recommendations one through five. Thank you.
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Mr. Engler? Again, thank you to the staff. I know that there's been a lot of work done for the last few years. This is not an easy thing to do and I really appreciate people's self-help being here. You've brought your not only expertise to the discussion but a palpable feeling of the interest you have in providing this affordable housing for our residents here in Thousand Oaks and our future residents. So thank you for bringing that with us tonight, and thank you for your explanations. I think it was... When I first read the staff report, I was very disappointed to see the change to a higher percentage of I've gained a sense of comfort tonight that that's not perhaps the bottom line on it. It could move one way or another a little bit, but I do know that you guys are trying your hardest to provide I always refer back to, and you know to me housing is housing.
Even luxury housing is housing. I like to see housing being built in town to help provide roofs over the heads of younger people coming into town for us. We're going to be looking at a number of different types of housing. Empty nesters be able move to another place that maybe freeze up our homes. That's the type of I also know that my famous quote from Ronald Reagan was, if I can get 80% of what I want, that's a win.
And I think by moving this project forward we're getting most of what we would want And our partners, people self-help, our staff that's ensuring that we're keeping on track. I have confidence that this is gonna be built as soon as possible and get that low income and affordable housing for sale which is a unique thing in our area really going so I would be happy to support the motion.
Mr. Adams? Thank you, Mayor. Well as Self have mentioned to have financing set for 40 low-income units is an achievement in itself I think that's great and I trust that you stated you'll use your best efforts if you can find any other subsidies to try to expand that low income count but As you also mentioned, interest rates are on the rise. That messed up your model. I could see where it would. The Federal Reserve has telegraphed they may raise them again. It remains to be seen and as we all know costs are just going to go up month after month higher and higher so there's a certain amount of urgency here to get started. So I think the parameters in front of us with the modifications and the mix that you're proposing is reasonable and I will certainly support the motion to get this council priority project off the ground Thank You, Mr.
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ears Again I want to just thank everyone who has contributed to this project again, I find It a privilege to be in a city and on a council long before I sat on it that has prioritized housing our community and meaningful creative innovative ways and So I don't want that to be lost in my comments tonight or my questions And I won't get into a long story about myself instead I'm because I show up in this data as it relates to affordable low affordable housing for sale, but more importantly some County information that I learned from the COC was there are 25,602 low-income renter households in Ventura County that currently today do not have access to affordable homes.
Those are renters right? They wish that they could seek housing for sale for that generational impact and security. 83% of extremely low income households are paying more than half their income on housing So whether the lights stay on, we have dinner or we skip a meal or whatever else runs the gambit. When we talk about extreme heat are we running the AC? These are considerations in 83% of the households in Ventura County.
And this is very renter specific. Renters in Ventura County could, or excuse me, would need to earn $50 and 65 cents per hour to afford an average monthly rate rent in the county. $50 and 65 cents. I don't know how our community members are pulling it off. Sometimes, I don't know how I pull it off. So when I ask these questions about when we're cutting the cost what are the benefits to these future community homeowners? It's only because I care and because we are in dire need of these units at a very low affordable level and Again, that is not lost on me my council and anyone who attends Frequently has heard me tell this story. I am the benefactor of Habitat for Humanity home My family was unhoused And today I can proudly say that I it changed the trajectory of my life and my siblings life This stability that having a home gives you The privilege that we all experience today, being able to go home to the same home is a huge privilege that is not lost on me.
And it has the ability to impact our communities for generations to come. We've long known in this country that ownership can change the trajectory of a bloodline, of generational families' impact here we are talking about. Thank you so much.
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I'll start by also echoing something that was said, great work on this. If this were easy we would see a lot more cities doing this. This is one of the hardest things to bring to a community for sure. I unfortunately share Mr. Adams' I would like to see this done in one phase. If we hit a point where that doesn't become an option, okay, we'll solve it then. But in front of us tonight I would like to see this done in one phase, keep the cost down to the best of our ability, close the gap and get it built ultimately.
So thank you guys all for the comments. We have a motion on the floor. Can the city clerk please call the vote?
Mr. Engler?
Yes.
Thank you. And Mr. Adam?
Yes,
thank you and that motion passes five to zero
All right and next up is our second public hearing will City Clerk please open this hearing
Hearing advertised as required by law is open to consider agenda item number 10B, Amgen Building 50 project and specific plan amendment located at 701 Pauling Drive. Speakers are requested to state their name and community of residence. One person has presented a speaker card. The speaker is allowed five minutes. The yellow light displays when you have 30 seconds remaining.
Thank you. And presenting the item tonight is Associate Planner Nicole Katz. Ms. Katz, before you start it can I just say something really quick? Every year we set our city goals, the things that we want to achieve in a year. And I just want to recognize tonight that with the last hearing and the one that we are about to be presented on tonight two of our goals are being brought to us tonight which was bringing affordable housing that's for sale to the community and then growing our local economy.
So I just want to recognize what a cool night to have two of those items come to us. Now will you please begin the presentation?
Thank you very much, Mayor. All right I'm back again. Nicole Katz, Associate Planner with the City of Thousand Oaks Planning Division. This item for your consideration tonight involves the construction of a new Technology and Life Sciences building at 701 Pauling Drive The request before the City Council is to adopt a resolution considering an addendum to the Thousand Oaks 2045 General Plan Update EIR and the Amgen Center Specific Plan Environmental Impact Report prepared for this project in accordance with the California Environmental Quality Act. And to approve development permit DP 2026-7002 and protected tree permit PTP 2026-70113. And to introduce an ordinance approving amendment to the Amgen Center specific plan 16.
The development permit requests the construction of a new four-story Technology and Life Sciences building with a subterranean basement totaling approximately 377,256 square feet. With an associated loading dock, rooftop equipment, hardscape landscape and supporting infrastructure in circulation improvements Specific plan amendment requests amendments to the Amgen Center specific plan to facilitate the development of the new technology and life sciences building, including amendments to the SP-16 height district map and development standards to align the maximum allowable building height in Height District 2 with the site's industrial flux height limitations prescribed by the 2045 general plan.
And protected tree permit requests the removal of four coast live oak trees. On September 14th, 2026 the Planning Commission conducted a public hearing to consider this project. After presentations by city staff and the applicant, public testimony and deliberations, the Planning Commission voted 3-0 to recommend that the City Council approve the addendum Adopt the addendum and approve development permit DP 2026-7002, SP 2026-7001 and PTP 2026 dash 70113 based upon the findings and conditions of approval contained within the resolution in ordinance.
The city has served as Amgen's corporate headquarters since the company's founding in 1980. The Amgen Center-specific land was adopted by the City Council in 1994 to establish development standards across approximately 100 acres of land, to accommodate Amgen continued short and long term development of the area. Since SP 16's original adoption it has been amended twice.
Once administratively in 1996 by the Community Development Director and once in 2016 by the City Council. Presently, SP 16 spans 91 acres and encompasses 29 buildings and 7 parking structures. On the screen before you is an aerial image of the project area with the boundaries of the specific plan in red and the boundaries of the Building 50 area in yellow. SB 16 consists of approximately 91 acres of land, seven public right-of-way segments, is surrounded by developed urban uses, and is generally located in the westerly portion of Thousand Oaks east of Rancho Conejo Boulevard and north of Hillcrest Drive and the 101 freeway.
The entirety of SP-16 is located within the M1 zone and has general plan land use designations of industrial low and industrial flex. The application associated with the development permit proposes the new technology and life sciences facility on land at the southwest boundary of SP 16. The site has been previously improved with a research laboratory building known as Building 14 Immediately adjacent land uses to the boundaries of SP 16 include an Amgen owned parking lot to the northwest, single and multi-family residential to the north east and south, and commercial and industrial uses to the west.
Immediately adjacent land uses to the building 50 project area include Amgen owned facilities to the north east and west which are within the boundaries of SP 16 and An existing multifamily apartment complex and mixed-use development under construction to the south just beyond the SB 16 boundaries The project includes amendments to SB 16, which generally include the following components.
An amendment to the gross floor area definition to clarify how below-grade areas are treated for purposes of calculating development intensity under this specific plan. Currently, the specific plan definition for gross floor area excludes interior parking spaces, vehicular circulation areas and loading spaces for motor vehicles. The proposed amendment would also exclude portions of a building located entirely below grade.
Amendments to the height district height related development standards are proposed to reconfigure the height district map increase the maximum height of height district 2 to 75 feet for general plan consistency and Increase height limitations for rooftop equipment Through the height related amendments The height district map will become consistent with the height framework for properties designated as industrial flex Within the general plan while encouraging building forms that accommodate the functional needs of permitted uses While maintaining compatibility with surrounding developments Amendment to parking related development standards are proposed to remove restrictions on siting and distributing parking within the specific plan area, and to remove requirements for parking loading shafts, restroom facilities, and building system support areas.
The parking-related amendments better align with a campus wide approach to parking availability while maintaining consistency with municipal code requirements for technology and life science uses. Amendments to architectural related development standards are proposed to allow for decreases in structural setbacks adjacent to public roads, streets and highways and to remove requirements for structural step backs for certain buildings.
This portion of the amendment would codify existing review practices by expressly allowing setback reductions subject to discretionary approvals The development permit portion of Building 50 project involves construction of the new building, landscape improvements and infrastructure improvements. As shared previously, the application involves the construction of a 377,256 square foot Technology and Life Sciences facility in the location of the former Building 14.
Accompanying the new Building 50 is a loading dock and rooftop equipment. Improvements to the development area include landscape removals, new plantings and new hardscape to enhance vehicular and pedestrian circulation. Infrastructure upgrades are proposed to accommodate building 50 which includes installation of a new transformer yard above and below ground storage tanks in stormwater retention facilities The specific plan amendments are necessary to accommodate the construction of building 50 On your screen is an architectural site plan of the Building 50 project area.
Building 50 will comprise of one basement level and four above-grade stories. The transformer yard is proposed off of the southeast facade, and the loading dock off of the southwest façade. Immediately to the north of Building 50 is a proposed outdoor courtyard. Tank storage is proposed along the west and generator storage is proposed along the east of Building 50.
Primary and secondary vehicular access to the project will continue to be provided from the existing public street system and internal campus roadway network. The existing vehicular access points along Hillcrest Drive will continue to serve Building 50, with minor improvements to widen and resurface the points of ingress and egress for delivery and service vehicle access.
Building height is regulated by the site's general plan land use designation and the SP-16 height district map. The building 50 site is designated industrial flux by the general plan, which allows a maximum building height of 75 feet. Under the proposed specific plan amendment, the site would be located within Height District 2, which would also allow a maximum building height of 75 feet.
Building 50 is proposed at a height of approximately 70 feet above median grade and would therefore comply with the 75 foot maximum height permitted by both the general plan and the proposed Height District 2 standards. The project also includes rooftop equipment which would extend above the building by approximately 28 feet as permitted under the proposed specific plan amendment standards.
Mechanical equipment exceeding the height of screens will be set back a minimum of 10 feet from the building edge to minimize visual impacts and, where applicable, screen by architectural elements that are integrated into the building design. Staff finds that the proposed height and rooftop equipment configuration are consistent with the applicable height standards and design objectives governing the site.
The building incorporates recessed facade elements along the north and south, and integrated aluminum panel screening to reduce the apparent mass and visibility of rooftop equipment. In addition, landscape improvements on Hillcrest Drive would further soften views of the building from the public realm. Collectively these design measures reduced the perceived height and visual prominence of Building 50 and its rooftop equipment.
Building 50 incorporates a contemporary design that reflects its intended use as a technology and life sciences facility, while incorporating design elements consistent with the established architectural character within the specific plan area. The building has a rectangular configuration with recesses along the north and south reducing the structure's perceived mass and scale The recesses divide the building into two visually distinct wings connected internally by lobbies and bridges.
The recesses also identify the building's primary pedestrian entrances. Consistent with the architectural design principles with SB 16, Building 50 has a clearly defined base middle and top. Building materials include spandrel glass, metal panels and split face CMU blocks in earthen tone hues. The materials were selected for their durability functionality and compatibility with the finished materials used on buildings throughout the specific plan area Consistent with the building's research use, which requires a parking ratio of 1.14 parking spaces per 1000 square feet of gross floor area, Building 50 would require 430 parking spaces.
As indicated in the plans, the cumulative total of parking space is required for all existing buildings and uses plus the proposed Building 50 is 5,022 parking spaces, which is adequately served by the existing 6,354 parking spaces provided throughout the Amgen campus. The project is in compliance with all applicable development standards except for the location of the loading dock and the exposed height of walls and fences.
The Planning Commission recommended approval of waivers from the setback and height standards. Per the site's M1 zoning designation, all structures must be a minimum of 100 feet from the centerline of the adjacent public road. As currently designed, the loading dock is to be located 90 feet and 7 inches from the center line of Hillcrest Drive. The reduced setback is necessary because the curved roadway and site configuration limit the space available for a regularly shaped building footprint and the vehicle access and turning area needed for safe loading dock operations.
The loading dock is a single-story component of Building 50 and incorporates materials which are consistent with the building's overall design, and landscaping and screening along Hillcrest Drive will reduce visibility of the dock from the street and attenuate noise thereby minimizing the effects of the setback reduction. Walls and fences are generally limited to a maximum exposed height of 6 feet.
Walls, fences and combinations thereof are proposed with a maximum height of 11 feet 1 inch for portions of the loading dock, 9 feet 6 inches for portions of the wall in the transformer yard area, and 15 feet 2 inches for portions of the wall in the southeastern pedestrian pathway area. The additional wall and fencing height will screen loading dock activities and attenuate noise from adjacent residential uses, will preserve the existing landscape berm along the south of the site while screening the transformer yard, and will create pedestrian pathways. The fences and walls will incorporate materials that complement Building 50 in the existing perimeter improvements throughout the campus.
The development area contains a total of seven protected trees, including five coastline oak trees and two western sycamore trees which are located adjacent to the west and south property lines. The project design requires the removal of four coastline oak trees. The tree removals are necessary to accommodate the proposed driveway improvements along the southwest portion of the development area.
The remainder of the protected trees in the development area will be protected in place. Conditions of approval have been included in the resolution, which would require an in-lieu payment to the City's Open Space Conservation Fund and an amount equal to the value of eight 24 inch box specimen and four 36 inch box specimen oak trees consistent with the city's Oak Tree Protection Guidelines In accordance with CEQA, a comprehensive evaluation of the potential environmental impacts of this project was performed.
An addendum to the Thousand Oaks General Plan update and Amgen Center-specific plan AIRs was prepared for the project and analyzed the components as required under CEQA guidelines. The evaluation determined that the project will not result in any new significant impacts, nor substantially increase the severity of the previously disclosed impacts beyond those already identified in the previous EIRs.
Appropriate mitigation measures outlined in the EIR's are identified in the addendum to ensure mitigation measures are in place so that no significant adverse environmental impact results from the project. The applicable mitigation measures are incorporated into the Mitigation and Monitoring Program, Mitigation Monitoring and Reporting Program, and the project conditions of approval to ensure compliance with the program and to reduce and avoid potential effects of the project on the environment.
These conditions of approval adequately identify the appropriate timing and enforcement details for each mitigation measure. The Development Permit and Specific Plan Amendment must comply with all four required findings described within Thousand Oaks Municipal Code, Section 9-4.2803. As described in the Staff Report, Presentation, Resolution and Ordinance, the Development Permit and Specific Plan Amendment comply with the four required findings.
One that the project is consistent with the General Plan and any applicable specific plan or redevelopment plan. Two, that the project complies with all applicable laws rules and regulations including the Thousand Oaks Municipal Code. Three, that the project will not be detrimental to the public health safety or general welfare. And four, that the project conforms with the California Environmental Quality Act The protected tree permit for tree removals must comply with at least one of the findings described within Thousand Oaks Municipal Code section 9-4.4206 As described in the staff report and the proposed resolution, removal of the trees is necessary to enable reasonable and conforming use of the property. And the approval of the request is not in conflict with the purpose of the oak tree ordinance.
To conclude, staff recommends that the City Council adopt a resolution to adopt an addendum to the Thousand Oaks 2045 General Plan update and the Amgen Center Specific Plan EIRs. And to approve development permit DP-2026-7002 and protected tree permit PTP-2026-70113 and to introduce an ordinance approving an amendment to the Amgen Center Specific Plan 16. Thank you for your time. I'm available to answer any questions that the council may have pertaining to this project. I am also joined by representatives from the city's Community Development and Public Works departments, the City Manager and City Attorney's offices, the Thousand Oaks Police and Ventura County Fire Departments, Eyestone Environmental Consulting, and members from the applicant team to respond to any inquiries you may have.
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Thank you very much for this presentation. Questions? Mr. Newman.
Thank you Mr. Mayor and Ms. Katz again, thank you to you and staff for working with the Amgen team on this. Just a quick question to begin on the height. It is not the case correct that the owner of a commercial building at any random site within the city Let's say they have a 35-foot building. They could not get a permit to go up to 75 feet. The reason that it's allowed here is twofold.
One, there's this industrial flex designation which allows heights of up to 75 feet and two, that designation is applied within the specific plan, not In general citywide. Are those two statements correct?
That is correct Council Member Newman, yes the site does have that general plan land use designation of industrial flex and with that designation comes the development standard that could allow building heights subject to discretionary review and approval up to 75 feet and every parcel in the city does have a general plan land use designation associated with it but they do not all have the height standards associated with that particular designation so that is correct that is unique to properties in that general plan land use designation And there's also the specific plan amendment that would accommodate if approved accommodate that request.
Okay, very good and then Just very briefly This council previously approved in principle I think an agreement with a neighboring water district about running a brine line through the city that Amgen in particular would be able to take advantage of. It's currently trucking away water with really high salinity. I presume this building would be able to take advantage of that, is that the case?
For that, I want to defer to one of our subject matter experts maybe in the Public Works Department who's familiar with the project and then possibly the applicant team as well. Do we have Nodder who might be able to call on you? Thank you. Nodder is familiar with this new improvement that's coming forward with the Brine Line.
Let's have our staff respond and then we can have any questions for the applicant after they give their presentation. Very good, thank you. That's it?
Thank you. So yeah, I'm happy to answer any questions.
I'm just curious to, I just want to verify that this is a really significant new building. It's really important for Amgen and for our city. I just want to make sure that we're coordinating with this other effort we're doing with the Brine Line to make sure Amgen will be able to tap into this as part of the project.
Yes, certainly. The Brine Line recently has for this particular reach which is the more western portion of that pipeline has been upsized by Las Virginias from a 12 inch to 14 inch line to help provide some free board or some future capacity for others to tie into the line. That the 12-inch line already had some capacity but it was somewhat limited so they've upsized this particular section knowing that not only Amgen but it's going by our other industrial and Rancho Canna biotech area to allow for that accommodation. There's still a lot of elements that have to fall into place for everything, you know, to function properly and to work and financial studies et cetera but that is what they're proceeding with so there is some capacity for people to tie into the line.
And any additional water produced by this new building if it is would be able to use that line?
That is correct there is a overall limit and it kind of depends who gets in first and who gets prescribed first but yes
Okay, great. I'm just glad to hear that these projects are meshed together. Great, thank you. My remaining questions have to do with calculation of for parking and for floor area ratio. And I'm gonna use an example that involves the library building at my college not out of nostalgia but because it's relevant to how we're calculating here So my understanding is this revised definition that we're using, is counting usable space above ground toward a floor area ratio calculation and not including usable space below ground. Is that correct?
With the requested amendment, if approved by council it would not include below grade components into the gross floor area calculation. And the gross floor area calculation is one component that is used to calculate the FAR.
So returning to my college library building was an unusual design that had one story above ground and the remaining five levels were either partially submerged or completely submerged below ground. Four levels were completely submerged So if there were an application for a building like that in Thousand Oaks, are we now saying that all of those five underground levels would not be included toward the FAR calculation?
No, so what we're looking at right now is an amendment to the specific plan which governs development in a finite area. I
understand it's scoped only within SP 16 but were there an application for a building like that with a lot of underground space? Are we saying we're just not counting the underground space?
That's not how we've applied it in other projects outside of specific plan areas. The way that, and I can also tap in with my community development director Kelvin Parker as well but for similar projects that have had subterranean components Functional areas would be counted as well towards the FAR, but for non-functional areas system support Vehicle circulate vehicular circulation that has not been counted towards that fair.
Okay, I'm asking you different question The underground space here is functional correct? There's portions of it That will be functional and it is not counted because it's underground It's not counted correct
that would be the request before you right now
Yes So again going back to the library example Those are all functional usable floors, five of them.
So if I may councilman please so there's an existing gross floor area definition in the specific plan it is simply been augmented and updated to comply with the general plan much like the other segments that they're asking for amendment this evening to answer your question I guess in a more direct fashion that is correct The way the gross floor area calculation is laid out, unusable areas are not calculated in that. So you would be correct in the instance of a library although this industrial flex use is a much different animal.
Certainly, yeah. But both involve usable space and we are changing the definition to say if that usable space is below ground we're just not counting it. Do I understand correctly? Toward the FAR.
Essentially yes, however we do net out the non-usable areas such as utility rooms. Yeah
and I'm not arguing with that. I think that things like staircases or other ancillary uses...I'm fine with not applying those. I'm asking about the usable space. Sorry My notes just closed up, one moment please. Sorry about that. And then the final question on this space calculation question. What about for assessment for property taxes? I presume finished space generally is counted toward tax, but in this case not counted toward FAR ratio. Do I have that right?
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Generally speaking, the floor area would be calculated towards property tax assessment. Above or below ground? That is my understanding. For finish. Generally speaking.
Yeah okay. The final question I have has to do with the tree removals. There are I think four protected oaks being removed. We're following as our law requires a three-to-one replacement which is excellent. My question is Approximately how long will it take for those replacement 24-inch box oaks to grow to the size of the trees they are replacing?
Sure, so I've consulted with our consulting arborist who's indicated there is a range. It depends upon the growing and soil conditions and whatnot but generally for the replacement tree to reach the diameter of the largest tree that has been requested for removal it would take approximately 20-25 years.
Alright thank you very much. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Do you have any
questions? No? Alright next we have the applicant So you guys have 15 minutes to present, and later five minutes to rebut if you feel like you need to. Ben Chu is here who's Amgen Thousand Oaks campus site lead. And Adeline Morin is here for any additional questions as well.
Hello, Ben Chu. I've lived in Oak Park, California for the last 25 years. Good evening Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem and honorable members of the City Council. My name is Ben Chu and I serve as the Executive Director and Amgen Thousand Oaks Site Lead. Thank you for the opportunity to be here this evening and for your consideration of the Building 50 Development Plan.
For more than 45 years, Amgen has proudly called Thousand Oaks home. Our employees work here, live here, raise their families here and contribute to the community through volunteerism, philanthropy and civic engagement. On behalf of Amgen I would like to first thank the City Council, the city staff and our Amgen team led by Ron Moss longtime Ventura County resident and long-time Amgen employee for the time, professionalism and collaboration throughout this process. Over the past year we have worked closely with the planning department through numerous meetings technical reviews and design requirements to ensure this project aligns with the city's vision development standards and environmental requirements.
This evening we are requesting approval of our development plan for the building 50 project Building 50 represents a significant investment in both our future and the future of Thousand Oaks. As part of Amgen's recently approved $600 million investment in science and innovation, This facility will help strengthen our ability to discover and develop new medicines for patients facing serious illnesses.
The building is designed to bring together scientific and engineering teams in a highly collaborative environment, helping accelerate innovation and ensuring our Thousand Oaks campus remains a leading center for biotechnology research and development. This project also reflects our long-term confidence in Thousand Oaks. While Amgen is a global company, we continue to invest where we are founded. Building 50 will support future scientific innovation, attract and retain highly skilled talent and reinforce Thousand Oaks' position as one of the premier life science hubs in the world.
The facility is being designed to achieve LEED Gold certification and reflects our commitment to responsible development, environmental stewardship and being a good neighbor in the community. At its core this project is about investing in patients, investing in innovation and investing in the community that has been our home for more than four decades. On behalf of Amgen, I would like to thank the City Council for your consideration and respectfully request your approval of the Building 50 Development Plan.
Now, I'd like to turn it over to Adeline Morin, Lead Design Architect from HDR.
Good evening, Mayor Taylor, City Council and city staff. I am Adeline Morin. I live in Burbank, California. I am a Design Director at HDR and I led the design for the new research facility for Amgen in Thousand Oaks. Tonight, I would like to share the architectural approach behind the project and how the building has been shaped by both its campus context and its setting within the Thousand Oaks landscape.
From the beginning of this project, Amgen challenged our design team with a clear vision. to create a research facility that would serve as a precedent for innovation and sustainability across its campus. Our response was to develop a building that not only meets the need of next generation scientific research, but also reflects the design principle for Thousand Oaks community through careful attention to scale, landscape integration and long-term environmental performance.
The organization of the building is centered around a multi-story atrium that serves as a gathering space and point of orientation. This central space brings daylight deep into the building and creates visual connection across the various research and workplace environments. One of the most significant opportunities presented by the site is its relationship to the landscape.
The atrium and the workplace areas were intentionally organized to frame the beautiful southern views towards the surrounding mountains. Access to daylight, views and a connection to nature were important considerations throughout the design process, helping us to create a workplace environment that is both functional and closely connected to its surroundings.
The architectural expression of the building is directly informed by the organization of the program. Workplace and collaboration areas are located along the atrium that benefit most from natural daylight and views, and this function I expressed on the facade through the larger areas of glazing. In contrast, laboratory space which require more controlled interior environments and less dependence on natural light are located behind the more opaque portion of the façade.
This relationship between program and envelopes helped create an honest architectural expression while supporting both occupant comfort in building performance. Architecturally, the building was designed to complement the established character of the Amgen campus. The material palette proportion and horizontal expression of the facade drew from the architectural themes already present on campus.
creating continuity while allowing the building to express its own identity. The intention was for the facility to feel like a natural extension of the campus, rather than a standalone project. The building mass was carefully developed in response to both the operational requirements of a modern research facility and the design objectives established within the city's specific plan.
While accommodating a substantial scientific program, the design avoids the appearance of a single large building by organizing the facility into distinct architectural volumes around this transparent central atrium. This approach helps reduce the pervasive scale of the structure and creates a more comfortable relationship with the public domain. Variation in material expression, facade articulation and the central glazed elements break down the overall mass into smaller more legible components supporting the specific plan objective of minimizing perceived bulk and creating development that is compatible with its surroundings.
Landscape is also an important component of the project. Native and draft-tolerant planting supports the building edge, supports the local ecology, and reinforces the relationship between the campus and the natural environment that defines Thousand Oaks. Sustainability has been integrated from the earliest stages of design. The facility is being designed to achieve LEED GORN certification, which represents a significant accomplishment for research facilities of this scale and technical complexity.
This goal influenced many aspects of the project from energy performance, daylight access and occupant well-being. It also reflects Amgen's commitment to environment stewardship and its vision for the future development of the campus. You may notice that the glazing composition on this facade differs somewhat from what you saw in the north elevation Because disorientation is most susceptible to solar heat gain during the warmest month of the year, we carefully studied daylight, glare control, solar exposure and overall building performance to ensure the design responded appropriately.
As part of that effort, we introduced exterior louvers at the atrium and increased the proportion of spandrel glass on the workplace areas. These passive design strategies help us reduce heat gain, improve occupant comfort and limit the building's reliance on mechanical cooling. The approach also contributes to the building's sustainability goals by reducing energy demand and helping minimize light spill and light pollution during evening hours.
This is a good example of how the architecture, the program, and the building's environmental performance are working together to support the project's LEED grant objectives. The design is meant to create a research facility that is durable, adaptable and closely connected to its surroundings. By framing the site's natural assets, expressing the building's program through its architecture, complementing the established campus character Thoughtfully reducing perceived mass in accordance with the goals of the specific plan and advancing ambitious sustainability objective, the project responds directly to Amgen aspiration to establish a model for future innovation and development on this campus.
Thank you.
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Thank you. Next is public speakers. Oh we're going Okay, excuse me. Are there any questions for the applicant? Thank you. Next up is our public speakers. We have one speaker tonight, Daniel Borgia.
Good evening Mayor, Council Members. Danielle Borgia, President and CEO of the Greater Conejo Valley Chamber of Commerce. I'm very proud to be here tonight on behalf of our Board of Directors in support of the Amgen Project. Updating the Amgen Specifics Plan to align with the General Plan is the natural next step to bring this $600 million project to life. This is a tremendous investment in our city, in the region, reinforcing Thousand Oaks' position as a leading hub for biotechnology, life sciences and innovation.
Beyond this significant capital investment, this project provides commitment to high quality jobs and continued growth of an industry that has really truly defined our community. Investments of this scale also create a ripple effect through our local economy supporting small businesses, restaurants, hotels and many companies that serve our biotech sector. Just as importantly Amgen's continued investment sends a strong message to other businesses considering where to grow innovate and invest by supporting the success of established industry leaders we help strengthen the business climate Attract additional private investment and ensure Thousand Oaks remains a competitive business climate for future generations This is exactly the forward-thinking Investment that benefits our business community supports our residents and strengthens our long term economic future We encourage the City Council to support the staff recommendation this evening and help move this very important project forward.
Thank you
Thank you, thank you Danielle City Clerk, no other speakers correct? All right I am now going to close the hearing and would anybody like to make a comment or motion? Mr. Adams.
Thank you very much ma'am that's a beautiful building I must tell you it's It's going to fit into the campus perfectly, and it's befitting the premier biotech company in the world. Member of the Dow 30 and resident of our city, Thousand Oaks. Very proud to have you here. And very proud that fact that you're helping us build our dream of Thousand Oaks becoming a biotech hub. And with you as the anchor to that, it's making it a lot easier for us so...
The job force that you've created in the city, 5,000 jobs I believe somewhere around there and they're going to be hundreds more coming from this facility. Highly paid people as Danielle mentioned there's a multiplier effect for the city whether it's in real estate, whether it's in retail, You name it, restaurants. It's real and it's meaningful and most importantly we're a low tax city, Thousand Oaks. We have the lowest sales tax of any ten cities in Ventura County and the lowest that is allowed. And so we depend on companies like Amgen to support the quality of life that our residents are used to here, whether it comes to our roads, our public libraries, our parks. And you're helping us do that and we're very appreciative of that as well.
You know, it's a state-of-the-art facility and you're really helping bring Thousand Oaks into the 21st century to modernize the city. And this is a great partnership that we have because as you know, we're trying to do our part too. Not trying, we will with the building of the downtown and I think your project and ours go hand in hand It's going to serve to attract young talent into the city, which we need.
And to keep young people here rather than having to go to other cities for job opportunities. They'll be right here with this beautiful project. I'm going to move that we approve the Amgen Building Project, that's 10B along with staff recommendations one and two.
Thank you Mr. Adams.
Mr. Engler?
I thought you were going to Mr. Newman. Very good. I wholeheartedly tag along with my council member friend down there, Mr. Adam. A few years ago we were in discussions with Amgen about the future of our biotech. We had a strong interest in Creating this biotech hub, this life science focused area of our city. And Amgen had ideas about what we on from the city's point of view needed to help accomplish.
We've been working on that. We've been working on getting that housing available, we're working on getting the downtown focus for our cultural activities and Amgen has stepped forward with this partnership with the city to help really be the diamond in this crown of biotech companies that we are creating out in our Casa Carnellon area. It's a great partnership, this building State-of-the-art, lead gold type building is a big deal. That's a big deal for a building of 377,000 feet to be lead gold is a big deal and I really appreciate Amgen not only stepping up in the research side of things but also environmentally treating our valley as their own and I really appreciate that.
Mr. Newman?
Thank you, Mr. Mayor I too strongly strongly support this project not just because it will improve health care outcomes around the world Not just because it will improve our local economy But and not just because it's a very handsome well-designed structure a very sustainable structure It's also Well integrated with its surroundings, it's a win all around. So I'm strongly in favor of the motion and very appreciative that Amgen, the world's largest pure play biotech company which can make an investment anywhere in the world has returned home and chosen to make that investment where it all started. Very grateful for that, really looking forward to seeing the innovations that happen here.
I am saying all this to make, I want to be very clear that I think you and the team have done a great job. And I'm about to say something to staff and to my colleagues on council that I hope you will not take as directed to you, because I think you've done everything right here. And I strongly am in favor of what you're doing. I do want to raise a concern around process and it has to do with what we've created here is a sort of Schrodinger zoning where for purposes of calculating how much room we have, areas that exist but they don't exist. We're not counting them We now have this in two land use designations. Mixed use, where we don't count the commercial square footage and now with industrial flex, we're in this specific plan at least and I'm glad this change is limited in scope to this specific plan.
It's not citywide but we have square footage. You're certainly paying tax on it For purposes of FAR calculation and parking, we're pretending it doesn't exist. Even though we cannot pretend that there are not impacts, there are impacts in terms of parking, in terms of traffic, in terms of infrastructure. So I'm worried about precedent a little bit in that when we entitle something and then say, well, we're just not going to count it.
There may be unintended consequences of that not counting. I'm also concerned on process grounds about This is sort of done backward in that when we created the mixed use category or this industrial flex category during the general plan update, we as a council had a lot of discussion for years as part of the general plan process. And it was the council that set that policy and then it went out and was implemented by the planning commission and my staff There were years of discussion before there was agreement to do that. And here, we've done things in the reverse order where there's a building and we've kind of reversed engineered the zoning categories by not counting something to do this. It's actually not in alignment with what's in the general plan.
I'm reading off the city's own website, where it says the FAR is the ratio between the total gross floor area of all buildings and the total land area on that lot. It doesn't say except for the land that's underground, it says the total gross floor area. So I'm fine with not counting it here again, I'm strongly in favor of this But I hope that we are not creating unintended consequences by making this one exception in this specific plan.
And I will stop talking now, thank you.
Thank you Mr. Newman. One thing that I think is so cool is that Amgen was founded right here in Newberry Park. And as Nelson Oaks started business here, you never know what it can become. One thing that we know is that we're no longer competing with other cities to bring new jobs here. We're competing with other states, North Carolina, Ohio. You guys had a lot of other people bidding for this project and we've been working hard to be partners of yours so that we can have a more robust partner more jobs for our community, which ultimately make a great impact on our society.
And so this is in complete alignment with what we've been working on making sure that our large employers want to continue growing here and also that the small businesses have a place to start and then hopefully follow your lead and become what you've done it's absolutely amazing thank you guys for just the work you're doing the trust that you have put in The City of Thousand Oaks, and we wish you all the continued success. Thank you for this project absolutely stunning So with that we have a motion on the floor can we call the vote please?
3:47 – 3:4810 turns
Mr.. Adam
yes,
mr. Engler
yes,
and miss Gutierrez I
Yes.
And that motion passes five to zero, and your ordinance title is an Ordinance Amending Amgen Center Specific Plan SP-16, Increasing Maximum Allowable Height in Height District 2 from 55 feet to 75 feet consistent with industrial flex height standard established by the 2045 general plan, modifying height standards for modern rooftop equipment, modifying boundaries of height district map within the specific plan area modifying gross floor area calculations modifying internal parking requirements and modifying architectural standards relating to setbacks and massing SP 2026 7 0 0 0 1 applicant Amgen, Incorporated
Thank you Next is city manager announcements. Mr. Powers. Do you have any announcements? I
Just that our next regular City Council meeting will be on the 27th of this month we will have a proclamation for recognizing Cal water and Athens recycling all-stars We'll also have some updates from a couple of recent city council member Attended travel, that's
it And I will now adjourn this meeting until the next regular meeting on October 27th. Thank you everyone.