BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 September 16, 2025

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7216:38

Well, good morning. I will call to order the Ventura County Board of Supervisors meeting for September 16th 2025 and will a clerk call the roll?

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Supervisor LaVere. I'm here. Supervisor Garel. Here. Supervisor Long. Here. Supervisor Lopez. Here Chair Parvin. Here
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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7216:58

our next item is the Pledge of Allegiance. Will you join me in the pledge? Hand over your heart ready begin. I pledge allegiance

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8917:08

to

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the flag

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of the United States of America and to the

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republic

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8917:12

for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7217:17

with

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8917:17

liberty and justice for all.

And next we have our moment of inspiration. Today we have joining us Gabby Cifuentes and Nikki Leanne, co-founders of Body Brain Train a nonprofit bringing fitness and wellness to seniors and those with Parkinson's across Ventura County guided by their motto movement makes miracles they draw daily inspiration from their clients strength resilience and dedication to living healthier fuller lives So good morning.

CommentGabby CifuentesProposedself-stated17:56

Good morning, Board of Supervisors. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. My name is Gabby Cifuentes, co-founder of Body Brain Train and I'm here to share with you about what we do. Our program is dedicated to supporting seniors and people living with Parkinson's disease through movement fitness and wellness We know that as people age, maintaining both physical and cognitive health is essential for quality of life.

With Parkinson's, specialty exercise is not optional. It's medicine. Body-brain train combines physical activity With brain challenges to improve balance, coordination, memory and confidence. What makes this program unique is that it's not just about exercise. It's about community participants come together support one another and build friendships that combat isolation so many seniors face.

We've seen remarkable progress, people who walk more steadily, who feel sharper mentally and who report greater independence in daily living. We want to take this moment of inspiration to highlight some of our members that inspire us through our program on a daily basis.

CommentNikki LeeProposedself-stated19:17

Good morning, everyone. I'm Nikki Lee and I'm one of the co-founders. Sorry about my back turn. But I hope I do it justice every time we come in front of a council to ask for money or grants or something like that. We have what's called the BBT Army and we have about 15 to 20 of our members come up and tell their stories. And there is usually not a dry eye in the house. So I hope I do this justice. We're just going to highlight a few of our fighters here. This is Steve too. We have three Steve's so he's Steve too. He was diagnosed with Parkinson's 10 years ago, he's been with us for about eight years and he shows up to every class our regular classes are senior classes he shows up to every event every fundraiser we have he's very active in volunteering and We just wanted to highlight Steve too because his doctor told him 10 years ago that in 10 years, you're going to be in a wheelchair and you're not going to be able to work full time.

And ten years later he's fighting hard. He's got a full-time job. He is self sufficient and he works really hard so that is Steve too. That is our Steve too. Our next highlight is Debbie. Debbie was diagnosed with Parkinson's 20 years ago, so it was very early onset in her 40s and she's been battling and every case of Parkinson's is different. So if you look at her pictures hers is a little different. She uses a walker. She sits in her chair during our workouts But every time she falls, she picks herself back up. Someday she comes to class and she's not even really able to do much. But the fact that she shows up is a huge inspiration to all of our community, all of our fighters in class and to the instructors as well.

And last but not least, we have Bob Two. So we have two Bobs. So Bob Two his story he's a senior, he's 89 years young and he doesn't battle Parkinson's but he is full of life and one of his caregivers or friends said hey I'm gonna take you somewhere today get in the car so he got in the car and they pulled up to the gym and Bob Two actually thought he was going to breakfast because our gyms right next to eggs and things So he's like, no we're not going to breakfast. We're going to exercise so Bob's been with us probably for about two years in May. We do what's called a punch-a-thon that's our biggest fundraiser of the year. So a lot of our seniors for 90 minutes hit the bag and Bob was one of our seniors this year that sat in his chair for 90 minutes and just punched the bag Unfortunately that night he got in a really serious car accident.

He broke his neck and he had 46 stitches in his head which she loves to show pictures of at this was in May. And I just remember he Being told he died twice that night, but the next morning he woke up and he remembered everything. He remembered the firefighters' names so we went to visit him within a few days of him being in the hospital and I didn't know what to expect but I walked into his room and he's sitting there with his neck brace on and he just looks mad and he said you know I'm mad. I said why are you mad Bob? You're still alive So he said, no I'm not going to be able to get into the gym for like four months. And in my head, I'm thinking four months? Like you're lucky like four months is not a long time and he said, you know, four months is a very long time for someone who's 89 years old so anyway sure enough Two weeks ago, he walks back into our gym and is Walker ready to go and ready to hit his bag.

So again these people every day inspire us we would love to invite you to come check out a class and just be around them they're great inspirations and thank you for having us today.

CommentGabby CifuentesProposedself-stated23:22

Nikki

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7223:30

and Gabby that was wonderful thank you so much And our next item is agenda review. I would ask the board if they have any Levine Act disclosures? None, none.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed23:45

All right with that Dr. Johnson. Thank you Madam Chair good morning supervisors staff and all in attendance today. The agenda review for today September 16th 2025 is as follows Item 4, moment of inspiration body brain train a PowerPoint presentation was submitted. Item 33 resource management agency receive and file information regarding enforcement of the county's outdoor events ordinance.

A PowerPoint presentation and five public comment letters have been submitted. Item 34 fire protection district first public hearing regarding adoption of Ventura County Fire Protection District Ordinance number 34 Five public comment letters have been submitted. Item 35, Resource Management Agency Planning. Public hearing to consider the adoption of county-initiated amendments to Articles 1 through 15, 17 and 19 of Ventura County Non-Coastal Zoning Ordinance. A PowerPoint presentation has been submitted. Item 36, Resource Management Agency Planning. Public hearing regarding adoption of an ordinance of county-initiated amendments to Articles 2, 4, 5 and 9 of the Ventura County Non-Coastal Zoning Ordinance. A PowerPoint presentation and one public comment letter have been submitted.

And finally item 45 closed session threat to public service or facilities a revised agenda has been posted to add agenda item number 45. Thank you Madam Chair this concludes agenda review. Thank You Dr.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7225:17

Our next item is the consent agenda items 9 through 27

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8925:25

Supervisor Lopez. Yes chair, I was wondering if I wanted to bring up item number nine Just want to get more information from supervisor Correll on the recommendation

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed25:39

Madam Chair yes. Yeah. Thank you actually for raising this because I thought about doing it anyway but item number nine is Is really to support Dr. Cho and her work along with her oncology team to explore the opportunity to do cancer trials here locally in Ventura County Medical Center. As we all know, the 101 biotech corridor is one of the fastest growing biotech corridors in the United States including the recent news by Amgen that they're going to expand $600 million expansion in science and research and development.

It makes sense that VCMC and our healthcare agency avail themselves to the opportunity of possibly doing clinical trials here. Our oncology team right now is world class, but they have to send people down to Los Angeles to participate in clinical trials. So this is really a direction to give the healthcare agency and VCMC The foundation, flexibility and direction to create the partnerships necessary for us to be able to do it here so that our residents don't have to drive to Los Angeles to participate in cancer trials.

And so there've been a lot of conversations with Dr. Cho and her team has been intimately involved. Local organizations that are available to them to be able to facilitate that and help them. And it's at least my understanding is at no cost to the county, and could ultimately end up being a not only revenue generator for the county but more importantly can help save lives and comfort lives of those people suffering cancer so.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8927:39

I wasn't going to have a chance to make this comment, but now I can. Thank you for bringing this up. That is so important for our community and how we are trying to really take care of our community. My girlfriend had to go through those type of trials five years ago for breast cancer and had to go to cedar cyanide every single day to get treatment. And what I think about if you could do it just here in Ventura County and that our doctors could have that opportunity, it's not a mandate but an opportunity to help our community with newest technology and medical resources just touches my heart so I just wanted to say thank you. I think this is a great idea so I appreciate it.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8928:27

Thank you and I agree. I mean cancer, I think has touched just about everyone's lives here so I appreciate you bringing this forward. I think it was more of just gathering information of does this mean partnering with a research institution? Is it specifically The pharmaceutical companies are we working with across some of our other health care partners? Is this just the beginning stage because the letter mentions an MOU and so where I mean it yeah, just looking for more information.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed29:01

Sure the conversation began with a local company that reached out to offer the opportunity But the board letter itself remains vague to give Dr. Cho and her team the opportunity and flexibility to do In the end, what they think is in their best interest and what the best interests are for patients. So there's no specific direction to create an MOU with a specific company although there is one that they're in advanced stages of conversations.

In the end I think it's up to Dr. Cho and her team to make that decision and ultimately they would bring it back to us for ratification But at this point, I think it's important for them to have the flexibility to not have a specific outcome prescribed.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8929:54

Thank you. And I imagine that this is also depending on government funding because a lot of these research trials or the trials are funded by grants, or is there any insight on that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed30:08

The conversations that have happened so far have been with companies that facilitate trials at all the stages, the various stages of trials and The commitment is that it's no cost to the county. Is there a chance for grants? I don't know, but it sounds like there could be, but it would be Dr. Cho and her team that would be the experts on that. We can ask for maybe a report back in few months to see where they are and what the opportunities are.

But I think it just really, this just builds upon what they're already doing. They're already participating in trials. It's just folks have to go down to Los Angeles. The question is can we take VCMC which as we all read in the paper recently is heralded as one of the top hospitals in the nation and continue to develop opportunities there so.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8931:07

Yeah, thank you. I do I think it would be great to have a report back either on I mean what the outcomes are or the progress but also where this reminded me of it was the last Gold Coast health plan the medical managed care Commission meeting that that I attended we received a presentation on the community health needs assessment and there was mention of cancer rates and that sort of thing right in so looking at the incidence of cancer, the highest rates which is in East County. And so I see the value in this and realized that it might also be good for us to receive that information presentation on the community health needs assessment and what other outcomes or what other opportunities we might explore through that to continue to support the health of our residents.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed31:57

Yeah thank you all work with the CEO and will ask Dr. Cho to come back at a At an appropriate time when there's enough information. Thanks.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8932:07

Thank you

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7232:10

Okay, so we have the consent items 9 through 27 do we have any speakers after we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed32:17

Chair Parvin there are no requests to speak on any of the consent items today. Thank you All

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7232:39

The next item is 7 minutes of the meeting of the County and Special Districts governed by the Board held on Tuesday August 26th 2025. Item

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role32:49

number seven motion to approve moved by Supervisor Lopez seconded by Supervisor LaVere please vote. That passes unanimously thank you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7232:58

Next item is general public comments I know we've received some comments

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed33:04

Thank you, Chair Parvin. We currently have 18 speakers in our queue. Would you like to continue with two minutes each?

GuestMichelle AscensionCounty ClerkProposedself-stated33:11

Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed33:12

okay and just as a reminder to members of our public who wish to address the board today with live public comment on any agenda item please visit venturacounty.gov forward slash BOS comment for participation information and instructions for in-person public comment please check in with the deputy clerk at the entrance of the boardroom if you wish to make comments you must be in the board room or if you're participating remotely you must be connected to the meeting via zoom or telephone before the close of the public comment period for that agenda item Request to make public comment on an agenda item will be accepted until the public comment period for each agenda item is complete. For our remote participants, please accept the prompt to be promoted and unmute your mic when it's your turn to speak.

And for all public comments, the in-person speakers present in the boardroom will be called upon first followed by remote participants at the discretion of the chair. General public comment regarding county related matters that are not listed on the agenda but are within subject matter jurisdiction of the board may be moved to the end of the meeting And I'm going to call our speakers and names of three. When I call your name, please proceed to the podium. Our first speaker is going to be Tony Trimbley followed by Michelle Ascension and Frank Filippelli.

PresenterTony Tremblaycity of Camarillo and it speaks to thProposedself-stated34:23

Good morning Madam Chair, members of the board. My name is Tony Tremblay member of Camarillo City Council you have a letter in front of you that went to Senator Lamone yesterday on behalf of the city of Camarillo and it speaks to the imminent threat to our city's groundwater desalter. You're already I know all familiar with our desalter being a win-win project that we spend about 70 million dollars on in terms of creating new water not only is at our primary water supply for the city but it's also an environmental win-win in terms of cleaning up salts from the watershed. You're also aware, I know, of the OPV adjudication that is currently actually set for trial phase one later this week and that litigation was brought by

Roll-call vote Passed Moved by Kelly Long · Seconded by Levier approve the agenda as modified
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Item 5 motion to approve the agenda as modified. Moved by Supervisor Long, seconded by Supervisor Levier please vote that passes unanimously thank you.
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PresenterTony Tremblaycity of Camarillo and it speaks to thProposedself-stated35:04

some very powerful outside interests outside the Pleasant Valley Basin where we take that, where we clean up our brackish groundwater from OPV agricultural landowners The adjudication has been going on for as the letter details for more than four years. And in the last six weeks, the United Water Conservation District, the Pleasant Valley County Water District, other landowners and other parties in the Oxnard Basin have all aligned themselves in opposition to the City of Camarillo and together they're seeking to impose limits on the groundwater available to the city of Camarillo and its residents pursuant to the groundwater desalter and it threatens our ability to utilize our desalter. You'll see in the letter, the specific adverse impacts that could come out of this.

Let me just leave two thoughts number one why would anyone in this county spend money to develop new water if this threat proves true? Number two imagine yourself at Thanksgiving dinner You have many out-of-town guests. Your grandmother prepares an incredible dinner. She has a wonderful pie that she's done with mostly ingredients that she's grown. The dishes get cleared, your abuela comes back out of the kitchen to have dessert and the pie has already been all carved up by outside interests with none left for your abuela or your family.

That's what we're facing here. Thank you members of the board.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8936:41

Thank you, and can I ask you a question? So this judification the lawsuit how How is Fox Canyon groundwater management listed on this lawsuit

PresenterTony Tremblaycity of Camarillo and it speaks to thProposedself-stated36:55

Fox Canyon Groundwater Management Agency is a defendant in this lawsuit brought by these agricultural landowners, as is United Water and many other parties. Although at this point United Water is aligned based on its water models which we believe are very flawed but it has been brought by several and they're detailed in this letter several agricultural landowners on the Oxnard Plain

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8937:21

Okay, so Fox

PresenterTony Tremblaycity of Camarillo and it speaks to thProposedself-stated37:22

Canyon

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8937:23

was not the one that initiated this lawsuit in any way shape or form.

PresenterTony Tremblaycity of Camarillo and it speaks to thProposedself-stated37:27

Absolutely not and in fact this desalter and it's state-of-the-art because even the governor's office has come down to tour it This groundwater desalter was in fact approved by the Fox Canyon Groundwater Management Agency To operate and now what the city is facing and its residents are facing is stranding is potentially stranding that desalter and not it being allowed to operate as a primary water supply or at a minimum cutting back on its operation, which actually is not only from a primary water supply. If we can't operate that desalter to the extent that it was intended to operate, Promote environmental continued environmental degradation in the watershed basin in this watershed basin which everybody is responsible for.

But you have a situation where it's the Oxnard interests against Pleasant Valley.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8938:23

Thank you, Councilman.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed38:27

And I'd like to just add, if I may Madam Chair that Mr. Tremblay, I appreciate your testimony here today, the mayor's letter. I forwarded it to Michelle Guzman our Director of Government Relations for some follow-up conversations on how to evaluate the county's position in this and how to advocate and position ourselves to support our city so I just want to let you know that we'll continue to look at this deeply and figure out ways that we can support all of our cities.

PresenterTony Tremblaycity of Camarillo and it speaks to thProposedself-stated38:56

Supervisor, if perhaps you're asking me what you might do there is a specific call to action on page four of the letter. What you can do and among the things that we ask that you do is contact United Water Conservation District and Mauricio Guardado it's general manager and Lynn Malhart the president of the board and ask them why is united aligning itself with the Oxnard Pleasant Valley agricultural landowners against the city of Camarillo?

Thank you very much Madam Chair thank you members of the board

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed39:25

Thank you, Mr. Chairman for your comment. Our next speaker is going to be Michelle Ascension followed by Frank Filipelli and Michael Shaw.

GuestMichelle AscensionCounty ClerkProposedself-stated39:33

Good morning I'm Michelle Ascension your county clerk recorder and registrar voters and I'm here today in recognition of National Voter Registration Day which is commemorated every September ahead of the November elections as a day dedicated to bringing awareness to millions of Americans and inspiring them to take the simple but vital first step of participating in our democracy by registering to vote Here in California, to register you must be a U.S. citizen and a resident of California at least 18 years old not currently serving a state or federal prison term for the conviction of a felony and not currently found mentally incompetent to vote by a court. There's also a pre-registration option for the 16 and 17 year olds which allows them to go ahead and get in the registration system and then they'll be automatically registered to vote once they turn 18 Remember, if you have moved changed your name or need to make other updates to registration.

You will need to re-register registering or read registering is easy. You can do so online at register to vote dot ca dot gov or at your next DMV visit or using the old reliable paper registration application found at local libraries post offices your City Hall and of course here at the County Government Center To vote in the upcoming November 4th election, the deadline to register is October 20th. But no worries if you miss that cutoff you'll just need to go in person to a Vote Center.

You can verify your voter registration online at voterstatus.sos.ca.gov but if you got one of the postcards from our office last week then you're already good to go. And if you need any assistance or you're looking for more information, please call our office at 805-654-2664. Or visit our website at vote.venturacounty.gov and follow our social media at VC Clerk Recorder. Thank you for your time and happy National Voter Registration Day.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed41:22

Thank you for your comment. Our next speaker is going to be Frank Filippelli followed by Michael Shaw and Ed Alamillo

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CommentFrank FilippelliProposedself-stated41:30

Good morning, Supervisors. My name is Frank Filippelli. I've been reading recent news about the Simi Valley Landfill residents like me deserve better accountability from waste management and from the board. I'm deeply concerned about waste management practices accepting hazardous wildfire debris without safeguards like failing to provide protective equipment for employees.

I've also heard about red flags like the underground fire at another waste management facility in Riverside. My question is simple, who's protecting the workers and who's protecting our neighborhoods? Who is regulating waste management? Why should they continue to profit off our community? They practically have a monopoly yet cannot protect workers or limit fire tons coming into our neighborhoods.

The board has a duty to put residents first by demanding stronger safety rules, real transparency and rate structures that make waste management pay if they cut corners or discourage bringing hazardous waste into Ventura County. Okay. That's it. Okay. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed42:36

Thank you for your comment. Our next speaker is going to be Michael Shaw followed by El Alamino and Audrey Salado. Do we have a Michael Shaw? No, Michael Shaw. Okay we'll go to Ed Alamino followed by Audrey Salgado and then Jasmine.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed42:56

Are we ready?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed42:56

We're ready please proceed

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed42:58

Good morning CEO Johnson board members and county staff and the Honorable Jeff Berg you're looking younger every day I've been here since 1991. I know I don't look as old as I seem, but I've seen a lot and I work for Environmental Health Tech 3. As you know we started bargaining a couple weeks ago and we want to share some of the issues addressing this bargaining team not only for workers but affect our local community You'll hear comments from my co-workers on major issues of the inability to live and work in the community we serve. This may seem like a micro issue, but the day-to-day life in our departments at county employees is tough.

This affects each stage of their life no matter if they're married have kids or three years two months from retirement I'm going to beat you. The reality is there's major issues and it's very tough to learn, to live in a county that is a coastal county. This is a Mediterranean County. I've been fortunate enough to travel the world and living in a county like this is very expensive. We don't live in a desert community like Riverside or San Bernardino we live in the coastal counties. We are all blessed here to live in this great county But it also costs us a lot of money. It's not cheap, the average house probably 850 to $1 million.

There's a lot of county employees behind me that don't make close to that money. I am fortunate that I can afford to own a house very unfortunate and I'm thankful for the county to give me that opportunity but asking this board of supervisors to give the same chance to my co-workers that I have and that sure majority you have also I'm asking you to listen to my co-workers and their issues.

And I call upon the Board of Supervisors to step forward and be a leader in helping me.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed45:11

Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed45:11

you, Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed45:11

Alamino. You've used your time

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed45:12

being able to afford living in Ventura County. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed45:16

Our next speaker is going to be.

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.8245:25

Can I remind everybody of the rules of decorum in the boardroom? If you agree with public comments, I ask for no audible clapping or if you disagree, no audible booing. Thumbs up, thumbs down, the board can see it and then it doesn't impact anybody else feeling that it's a safe space to speak. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed45:42

Thank you County Council for that reminder. Our next speaker is going to be Audrey Salgado followed by Jasmine and Anna Hernandez.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7245:51

And I'd like to just make a comment that after those three speakers, I would like to go to the regular agenda item 30 and then come back to public comments.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed46:01

OK, so after Anna Hernandez. Thank you.

CommentAudrey SalgadoProposedself-stated46:05

Good morning Board of Supervisors. I had prepared something that was about three minutes long, Try to time it down for your two minute timeframe. My name is Audrey Salgado and I'm a respiratory therapist at VCMC. I specialize in neonatal intensive care, caring for the tiniest most fragile lives in our community. For more than a decade, I have given my heart to this hospital but the wage disparity amongst Ventura County employees has pushed me to a breaking point. It has forced me to say fight for fair pay or lose the people who keep running this hospital.

I have raised five children in this county. Even working full time, the county's low wages have kept me in a constant financial struggle. When my father recently fell ill, I became his caretaker and I gave up my in-house shifts or my extra time and my full time pay has not been enough to sustain me. At work, I step into C sections, traumas, code blues, rapid responses. I resuscitate newborns. I manage ventilators and I know that my hands mean life or death in that first few seconds of life for a newborn.

We are mandated to work every other weekend without a weekend if that means years of missed family moments with no compensation for that sacrifice. At BCMC our responsibility goes even further, we are the only hospital in Ventura County with the PICU. We care for critically ill children when no one else in this county can. This is not just a job, it is a great responsibility.

My daughter is in her last year of nursing school like me her heart is pulled to serve the people of this county but I hesitate to encourage her to do so because I do not want her to live through the same financial hardships I've had to endure She deserves to be paid fairly for the calling she is answering. I represent SEIU's direct patient care table but I speak for many, lab, radiology, pharmacy, CNAs and more and I can say with confidence we speak with one voice.

The time has come we demand pay that reflects the skill, the responsibility and the sacrifice of our work. We are the ones at the bedside, at the code, at the trauma in the NICU, at the ventilator We should be paid fairly in line with local hospitals and the specialized care we provide. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed48:15

Our next speaker is going to be Jasmine followed by Anna Hernandez.

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GuestJasmine NavarroDistrict AttorneyProposedself-stated48:27

Good morning, my name is Jasmine Navarro. I began my career with the county in 2011 where I've held various roles at various agencies including for the probation department, the district attorney's office. I currently am employed as a behavioral health clinician too with the healthcare agency. I'm a proud member of the SEIU 721 bargaining team and chair of the board.

The main commonality I have experienced while working for these various agencies is a lack of pay and amount of responsibility we are given. Every day my colleagues and I face new challenges while supporting our most vulnerable community members, we have shared responsibilities to ensure that our community members are safe. We're responsible for assessing evaluating and providing mental health services including individual therapy rehabilitation services in crisis intervention My colleagues and I are often first responders to our client in crisis, and often independently manage the crisis on our own with the support of a clinical supervisor. We find ourselves risking our personal safety to ensure clients' and community's safety. To put this more into perspective, over the last 90 days we have lost 75% of our behavioral health clinicians at my specific site.

This is due to lack of pay, an increase in ethical responsibilities, pressure to meet unfair productivity standards, and a lack of appropriate staffing. What does this mean? This means in terms of providing individual therapy for our clients, an additional wait list will entail. In addition we're forced to run additional groups and are responsible for all the intakes that come in day-in and day-out. Not only does this lead to burnout but impacts the timeliness and quality of service were able to provide to our clients. The county takes pride in sharing that Ventura County is a great place to raise a family, yet we can't afford to do so. I like many of my colleagues would like to comfortably live in a county we proudly, ethically and justly serve.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed50:16

Thank you for your comment. Our next speaker is going to be Anna Hernandez and then we'll transition to our regular agenda item.

GuestAnna Hernandez TwittyPublic DefenderProposedself-stated50:26

Good morning. My name is Anna Hernandez Twitty. I have been with the county for 12 and a half years. All of those years at the Public Defender's Office, I'm a Legal Management Assistant Level 3. I am a bargaining team member representing Table 3, the clerical and support staff. Our members have spoken. We are listening. And these are our truths, concerns, and needs.

20% of our members participated in a survey and with that we have determined startling facts about our members. Many of our members live paycheck to paycheck, 36 percent of our members are one paycheck from homelessness. Let that sink in. 36 percent of our members are one paycheck away from homelessness. Another startling fact is that nine percent Members rely on public assistance, let that sink in as well.

9% of our members rely on public assistance and why is that? It's simple county employee incomes have not kept up with the skyrocketing rate rise of the essential costs housing health insurance groceries gas utilities and more many families are going without getting second jobs and forget about owning a home. Home prices have gone up 39%. In the past five years, this is happening in most job classifications and we are the ones keeping agencies open and functioning daily operations. Working for the county no longer is a stable option for our families.

We are asking for a wage increase to meet the needs of our members, a wage to meet the rising cost of absolutely everything which means a living wage And I'm here delivering petitions on behalf of our co-workers members that are also asking for a fair contract so that they can live in this county.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed52:32

Thank you, Anna. Thank you.

GuestAnna Hernandez TwittyPublic DefenderProposedself-stated52:58

And here are the petitions.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.5953:48

Okay.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7253:51

Yes, we're ready. Ready for item 30 and then we'll come back to public comments. Item 30 is approval of an authorization of Ventura County Emergency Services to accept a donation of 50 Jackery solar generators and 100 solar panels from Everything Lifesaving Foundation Inc with an estimated value of $35,000. Mister Maynard.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed54:12

Good morning, Chair Parvin and members of the board. Dr. Johnson certainly appreciate you allowing us to jump the line here and get our volunteers out the door and back to work. So again, as Chair Parvin stated, the request today before you is seeking approval to accept a donation from Everything Lifesaving and Jackery of 50 portable lithium battery boxes in 100 solar panels. Quick background on this. We were contacted about a year ago on the heels of a lot of public safety power shutoffs Mr. Paul Herrera, who you'll meet in just a second was looking to help and he had a connection with Jackery and said hey how would you guys like some of these battery boxes and could you potentially use them? So we said absolutely fast forward to where we are today and those battery boxes have been made available to us With your approval, it's our plan to distribute those to our search and rescue volunteers um to use out in the field.

To distribute those to the Ventura County Fire Department Urban Search and Rescue Team and also provide a few to each one of the Ventura County cities. Um with that I'm happy to answer any questions otherwise i'd really like to invite Mr Paul Herrera to come up he's got some local ties to the community as well which he'd like to share with you and tell you a little bit about his organization so any questions I can answer?

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7255:26

Sounds good any questions

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed55:28

Perfect. All right, Mr. Paul Herrera.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.7255:35

You have a very friend with you.

CommentPaul Herrera I'mProposedself-stated55:37

Oh yes. Hey good morning Chair Pervin and Supervisors and staff my name is Paul Herrera I'm a former Army soldier and also the nephew of Carmen Ramirez she loved this community very much and I want to be able to continue her legacy by taking part in helping out with what I can Long story short, I was always frustrated being overseas deployed in Afghanistan. Obviously there's a lot of tragedies and stuff that happened overseas but a lot of the technology we had wasn't being utilized here in the United States at this time right for saving lives whether it be search-and-rescue using FLIR cameras drones obviously are a lot more common now these days but in 2016 I was injured And you know, like one thing I realized a lot of other former military members have is they feel like they don't have a purpose or they don't know what to do.

I started volunteering with emergency management agencies first responders public safety across the United States and I saw huge needs for a lot of education purposes equipment and for example I was at the Paradise wildfire some of the first people to be really affected are the pediatric geriatric elderly kids Right now there's a lot of recommendations to be ready for 72 hours of an emergency.

Well, what I'm seeing out there whether hurricanes- I was up in Western North Carolina Hurricane Ian it's people aren't getting power for up to a week or two so then the need the endurance of people to be their own first responder is growing and my goal within thank you to Jackie and our partnership is to work with Patrick and the community to grow efforts, to grow resiliency, to help this community prepare for whatever may come at next. And whatever comes across us in the United States.

So yeah it's an important need. Power systems are needed for something small from CPAP machines, communications for search and rescue teams, keeping oxygen concentrators running, refrigerators going for people who have diabetic concerns. These are small things that often get neglected. And one thing I really promote is go out there and see what you absolutely have to have in your daily lives because it's the small things that are going to get you, not the big things. We always joke around about doomsday preppers and saying hey what about EMP attacks? I'm like well do your kids know how to cook?

Do you know where your electrical box is? Do you know how to shut off your water? It's small things like that, that I'm really working on educating and preparing in hoping these communities understand. These battery systems by Jackery are a powerful tool. The mobility the way we could deploy them field them. I'm trying to work with them to grow this capability in the future making mobile response trailers public charging stations.

Also, we were working on getting other veterans involved that are transitioning out of the military. We're helping them get their commercial drone license which is the Part 107, to help them assist with search and rescue emergencies and other things as well. So I really look forward to working with you guys in the county and this Patrick Emergency Management Agency and all forest responders here in the area and I hope our relationship grows from here.

Thank you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.5958:55

Thank you so much. I love the work you're doing. It's wonderful.

CommentPaul Herrera I'mProposedself-stated58:59

And this is Freya by the way she's a little unofficial mascot

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8959:03

I can't really see. So, I was going to offer to hold your dog while you were speaking but she's so well trained.

CommentPaul Herrera I'mProposedself-stated59:10

Thank

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.8959:10

you. First of all thank you for your service. Really appreciate it and the thoughtfulness. I know that Patrick doesn't bring things to us that wouldn't help us, and this is going to help us greatly and really do appreciate it. I was online checking out which one and how long and you know all the things. I think it's very important that we're continuing to educate because you're right, it's not just 36 hours. It could be power off for seven days Thank you very much.

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Item number 30, motion to approve staff recommendations moved by Supervisor Parvin seconded by Supervisor Long. Please vote. That passes unanimously thank you.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:00:19

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:00:21

Chair would it be possible to do a quick photo with the board and the team real quick? Of course! Thank you I appreciate it.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:03:10

And now we're returning back to public comment. We had a little break there that was actually a kind of enjoyable one, so back to public comments.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:03:18

Thank you Chair Parbin. Our next three speakers are going to be Tony O'Neill followed by Robert Rajender and Tom Crowley. Tony please proceed to the podium you have two minutes to give your comment

CommentTony O'NeillProposedself-stated1:03:32

Sir Auditor CEO Johnson, board members and county staff. My name is Tony O'Neill and I have been a county employee since 2002. My current position is a Client Benefit Specialist III and I have served as a past and present bargaining team member. Today I would like to take some time to remind you that the Human Services Agency is the cornerstone of our county safety net When Ventura County faces natural disasters or other emergencies occur, we jump into action to provide resources to families to help them weather the storm.

Our commitment as public servants is to help families and the community. However, the need for assistance outweighs our capacity and often leads to massive long days leaving 750 to 800 CBSs with heavy caseloads to manage for each applicable program that could assist NHSA, we lack unfair and transparent wages and ways to promote. We face many workplace security issues and while all these are big concerns the main issue I want to discuss today is the lack of affordable housing only 42% of our SEIU 721 members own homes. An average in order to afford to rent in Ventura County your minimum wage hourly wage should have to be at least $50 an hour.

Our highest paid CBS position is $41 an hour, which is a supervisory role. County wages are sometimes so low that you have county employees with families that qualify for public assistance. For those that have slightly higher wages, there's no community services to assist with paying rent or putting food on the table and so we are left to fight for liable wage hoping that the next vehicle emergency or unexpected school expense won't break us.

As a CBS 3 I make $32 an hour and I can't afford to be a part of that 58% of renters without another job Which I would have to ask the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:05:39

county for

CommentTony O'NeillProposedself-stated1:05:40

permission

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:05:40

to do so.

CommentTony O'NeillProposedself-stated1:05:42

I'm calling on Ventura County to pay their

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:05:46

wages more than they're paying me because this is

CommentTony O'NeillProposedself-stated1:05:49

a livable wage.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:05:53

Our next speaker is going to be Rob Brazender followed by Thomas Crowley and Federico Ramos

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PresenterRob Braganzerservices sector of Ventura County workersProposedself-stated1:06:03

Good morning, Councilmembers. My name is Rob Braganzer and I'm a member of the SEIU Local 721's Contract Bargaining Team representing the services sector of Ventura County workers. The service workers are employees that most people here probably feel are beneath them but without whom the county and its facilities would fail. We are the people who clean the rooms so that the patients can be treated.

We are the ones who do the laundry, so that the sick can have a bed. We clean the offices. We cook and serve the food in our jails and hospitals. We keep the vehicles running. We maintain our buildings and public spaces. We patrol the streets for animal control. We find homes for our sheltered pets and keep them safe and care for their sick ones. We patrol the beaches to keep swimmers safe.

We keep the computers and communication systems working. We are also the employees who need two or three incomes to just survive in Ventura County. Most of us rent, and that rent increases by 10% a year without question. We will probably be homeless if we miss a single paycheck. We probably use county assistance to help us survive We love our jobs. We love our county, but it hasn't reciprocated.

Recently after we reported how much the cost of living in Ventura County has outpaced our pay increases for many years, the bargaining team joked that it would take a doubling of the average Ventura County SEIU members wages to bring us up to a local living wage. It was meant to explain what we can't get But it wasn't a joking matter. We do not have the luxury or ability to vote ourselves at 10% pay increase while threatening others with layoffs.

I ask you to support your people that are keeping the county going, we need your help. We don't need excuses. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:08:14

Thank you for your comment. Our next speaker is going to be Thomas Crowley followed by Federico Ramos and Thomas Edelman

CommentThomas CrowleyProposedself-stated1:08:24

Hello, my name is Thomas Crowley. I'm a lead social worker with Children and Family Services and I proudly serve the county of Ventura for over 20 years. Social workers play a vital role in supporting children to elderly individuals with disabilities and families across Ventura County. Our CFS team responds around the clock day, night and weekends investigating reports of child abuse and working closely with law enforcement schools and hospitals to protect vulnerable lives. We are deeply involved in family reunification efforts and we provide critical recommendations to the juvenile court through detailed reports and testimony.

When reunification isn't possible, we prioritize placing children with relatives and support permanency through legal guardianship and adoption. There's so much more I could say about the wide range of duties that social workers do but what I can say with confidence is this Ventura County could not survive one day without social workers and we are the backbone of support for the community and the families we serve.

Today beyond advocating for a cost of living raise and increased flex credits, we are united in requesting the reinstatement of Article 32 which has no fiscal impact on the County of Ventura but addresses the Human Services Agency's workload standards. This would enable us to reestablish the Workload Committee Forum as it existed in 2015. This committee between the Human Services Agency and SEIU 721 would focus on sharing ideas and implementing solutions that bring meaningful workload relief through standardizations, simplifications and best practices.

We are asking for Article 32 to be reinstated so the workload standards can be updated and reasonable caseload sizes established. High case loads don't just impact us, they directly affect the safety and well-being of the children, elderly, and families we serve every day in Ventura County. Finally as social workers with advanced degrees and a deep commitment to our communities it's disheartening that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:10:36

Our next speaker is going to be Federico Ramos followed by Thomas Edelman and Mary Gallegos.

CommentFederico RamosProposedself-stated1:10:45

Good morning, CEO Johnson, board members and county staff. My name is Federico Ramos I have worked in the county since 2016 as a public workers maintenance specialist. And I am also a member of the SEIU 721 bargaining team Our public works department has had a lot of turnover these past years. Part of this reason is that there's no clear path to promotion, which means that it is hard for workers to build a long-term career.

Unfortunately for our county the turnover leaves us with more inexperienced operators and class A drivers. This high turn rate carries significant legal, fiscal and reputational risk for the Public Works Department. Another issue affecting our department is rest and recovery. We're the first department that has to jump into action whenever there's a natural disaster.

And there have been a lot of these the past few years. Not only does that mean we have to stay for extended shifts It has also meant that we have to get back to work the next day with little to no sleep. And that needs to improve for the safety of our community and for members. Compensation is also an issue, and we call the Ventura County to pay your employees a living wage. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:12:18

Thank you for your comment. Our next speaker is going to be Thomas Edelman followed by Mary Gallegos and Gloria Kerbaugh.

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CommentThomas AdelmanProposedself-stated1:12:27

Good morning. My name is Thomas Adelman and I've worked at Ventura County Medical Center for 23 years as a respiratory therapist. I'm also a chair on the current bargaining team. You've just heard from many of my union brothers and sisters the collective voice right now is clear. The average county worker is struggling to get by not a few fringe cases but a large portion and while yes we want a living wage we also want a fair wage, a fair wage for the positions that we hold.

The County always issues the results of their market equity adjustment report and it usually goes into the contract with very little debate With the high level of member engagement we have this time around, individual departments and positions have done their own market equity research. More people than ever are aware how much less they make than like positions in nearby counties and they want that corrected.

With so many members making tough choices on housing, relocation and whether or not they can earn the additional income they need in their current job. When one member brought up the price increase on all you can eat sushi my initial thought was we can't bring this up as a serious issue. But when workers say they want to work and live in Ventura County, they don't just mean they want to work and pay bills. They want to live here. Okay? They want to enjoy all that this wonderful county has to offer with friends and loved ones. For some that's Saturday morning at Farmer's Market downtown with baby breakfast at Busy Bee Cafe for others it's all you can eat sushi on Friday night Your employees love Ventura County. We need a good contract to keep them here working, living, supporting the local businesses that we all count on and enjoy.

You've received a large stack of signatures from members all from every corner of the county and we want a good contract. We demand a good contract and we hope that you take us seriously. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:14:17

Thank you Thomas. Our next speaker is going to be Mary Gallegos followed by Gloria Kerbaugh and then Debbie Cohen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:14:29

Good morning. I'm changing the topic, I'm talking voting systems. Last month we emailed you a shortened version of the Mark Cook presentation Mark gave to the Ventura County, to the Ventura community on July 17th of this year. Mark is an expert in the fields of engineering cybersecurity and root cause analysis. What Mark describes is alarming and must get your attention.

Using the Dominion system files from the 2020 forensic dump of the Mesa County Colorado voting system in video minutes 38 and on, Mark demonstrates how easy it is for anyone to access and edit the voting results files of the Mesa County election. The files are not protected and the system log files are disabled This is a Dominion system that is used throughout the United States.

Ventura County uses the similar system, the system versions used in Ventura are slightly different but they are the same system. I remind you that last year this Board of Supervisors extended the Dominion contract for nine more years. I'm here to say that the voting system is, the Dominion voting system is not fit for use. In video minute 33 even their director of product strategy and security Eric Coomer wrote we suck in a 2020 internal email discussing the use of modems.

Mark came here to warn us that it is not only the Dominion voting system that is at fault, but the whole voting process of vote-by-mail early voting and results reporting. He explains in the section titled overall election ecosystem starting at video minute 53. Vote manipulation as Mark explains it occurs using knowledge of voter histories combined with vote count manipulation.

Last year at this time I spoke to you and gave you a similar warning. I expressed, and express again.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:16:33

Thank you Mary for your comment. You've used your time. Our next speaker is going to be Gloria Kerbaugh followed by Debbie Cohen and then Bruce McVicker who's joining us on Zoom. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:16:50

i'm ready Last month, you received a video from Mark Cook presentation which was made to the Ventura community on July 17th of this year. In Mark's section called overall election ecosystem at minute 57 and on mark discusses voter registration and the control of the number of ballots in circulation. Mark discusses how the voter registration and the maintenance of the voter files allows for voter manipulation. If you have not watched the video, I encourage you to do so.

I have been an election observer in Ventura County since 2018. I have observed firsthand experience or unexplained voter file irregularities in Ventura County. I have had discussions with citizens and received reports of many such incidents throughout the years Such as voters receiving multiple ballots with a slight change in the name, voters receiving ballots for people who have moved or been deceased for years. Voters who have received ballots not for their district or precinct. Voters removed from the voter rolls who have not moved and have lived in the area for years.

Voters who have been told that they already voted and they have not. Voters were always instructed to report these irregularities but receive no relief and little resolution We the people have attended these meetings consistently making presentations regarding all of these issues over several years. Numerous stats and analysis have been provided to all of you, and nothing has been done to correct the irregularities. The registrar voter does not even follow the election codes as observed during elections and makes her own rules on the fly.

Do you know what the plan is moving forward? You all as a BOS are responsible for certifying the elections and should ensure our elections are being conducted in accordance with all election codes and laws. The more these issues are ignored, the louder we will become. We need to hear from the registrar of voters. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:18:55

Thank you for your comment. Our next speaker is going to be Debbie Cohen followed by Bruce McVicker and then James Greenfield

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:19:06

Good morning, Board of Supervisors. I'm going to echo some of the stuff that's already been said and only have a prepared speech. However, I want to make sure that you are all aware that the Mark Cook presentation is chock full of very damning evidence and explanation as to how all of systems that we're using here in Ventura County can be compromised. It's at many, many levels it's not just computer systems it's not just voter file registrations. It's not just the paper ballots that are thrown through the tabulators. It is not just the fact that those machines are in fact connected to a network that could be hacked through the internet so It's just imperative that if you haven't watched it yet, that you take the time. Please we implore you to watch it.

You can only understand it in its full importance by watching yourself. There's only so much we can say summarize for you also when you were sent the video links I believe you were asked to send forward the link to the video to your district Representative on the Ventura County Elections Advisory Committee. I received it as one of those members from Supervisor Parvin, thank you and I hope the rest of you have already forwarded to your selected appointee.

Mark basically was in Sacramento and exposed there at their county elections office and expose some security breaches and flaws that we have also all witnessed here in Ventura County as well. They're really problematic. He was a forensic expert who looked through the Colorado Mesa County election Dominion system and found that not only are there major problems, but he actually was within 15 minutes able to flip votes between Joe Biden and President Trump just literally flipped him.

And I guess I'm out of time. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:21:10

Thank you Debbie for your comment. Do we have a Michael Shaw here in our boardroom who signed up to give public comment? Michael Shaw Okay we're going to transition over to Zoom. Our first speaker is going to be Bruce McVicker and then followed by James Greenfield I see both have been promoted. Bruce if you unmute your mic you will have two minutes to give your comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:21:34

Good morning can you hear me.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:21:35

Yes we can hear you please proceed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:21:41

I hope the board has reviewed the video of Mark Cook's presentation provided by Restore The Vote Ventura In the presentation, there's a slide titled Election Control where he asked two fundamental questions. Who do elections belong to? And who is in control of our elections? According to the US and California constitutions, the elections belong to the citizens of the United States and the citizens are the owners of the elections. All political power is inherent in the people The right of the citizens of the United States who are 18 years of age or older to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States, or by any state.

California Government Code 12172.5a declares that the Secretary of State shall see that the state election laws are enforced. But it's impossible for the SOS or ROV to perform their lawful duties because California relies on self-attestation for citizenship. There are no verification mechanisms in place to prevent an illegal alien, or someone else using an illegal registration from casting a ballot.

The motor voter law registers all drivers registers all driver license applicants 18 and over to vote Including illegal aliens, unless they opt out. Voter pre-registration is available for ages 16 and 17 who are automatically registered when they turn 18. Where do these automatically registered voters live? Are they citizens? Who knows! It's being reported that in California 449,000 registered voters couldn't perform jury duty because they weren't citizens but they are registered voters. How is this possible?

California Community Colleges had 1.2 million fake enrollments last year nearly a third of new students.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:23:41

Thank you Mr. McVicker you have used your time thank you our next speaker is going to be James Greenfield. Hi James if you unmute your mic you have two minutes to give your comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:23:52

Thank you good morning supervisors. A week ago the most influential conservative voice in America was assassinated For his opinions and daring to advocate dialoguing directly with those of differing opinions. We have seen some of this clash in this boardroom, and in our cities in Ventura. The hate that killed Charlie Kirk is alive and well in Ventura County.

There are some board members that are aligned with supporter groups that advocate the same hate. Members of our conservative community here that advocate for common sense conservative values have received anonymous hate and death wish emails and phone calls. There may be a fringe anomaly, but for the most part nobody on the conservative side advocates death and hate to those that have different opinions. But are happy to dialogue with them.

I would challenge this board to take new steps to foster the respectful exchange of ideas. Nobody should be intimidated, hated or receive death threats for respectfully sharing their opinions, nobody. In Ventura County our home we can do better. When our town hall is going to be held to address this. Recently the V.C. GOP had a meeting at a local restaurant and the owner received so much pressure from opposition groups that the owner canceled the next meeting reservation.

The cancel on hate culture needs to be confronted in unanimously by this board. This needs to stop at home. Charlie invited those that disagreed with him to the front of the line and was always respectful. Charlie also advocated for election integrity Yes, free and fair elections. We are in the midst of an election crisis and does this board even know how our ROV is going to address a federal move to one day precinct voting and same-day hand count tallying for federal elections? How is the county preparing for this we need to know thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:25:48

Thank you for your comment Chair Parvin that concludes our public comment for this item thank you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:25:55

All right, our next item is our time certain at 9am. It's a presentation proclaiming the month of September 2025 as Fall Prevention Awareness Month Falls are the leading cause of injury and loss of independence for older adults. And with more than 25 percent of Ventura County residents over the age of 60, fall prevention is an urgent community priority. Thanks to the Ventura County Health Care Agency, the Area Agency on Aging, the Fire Department and Elderly Fall Prevention Coalition important progress is being made to keep seniors safe active and independent.

And therefore, we will be celebrating and proclaiming Fall Prevention Awareness Month for September 2025. And we urge all residents to take part in activities and classes that support healthy safe living for older adults. And today we have with us Dr. Thomas Duncan, Trauma Medical Director of Ventura County Medical Center and Chief there he is, Chief Dustin Gardner, Ventura County Fire Department.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:27:04

Thank you so much for bringing us back on a yearly basis to provide a proclamation to this really important event. So the Ventura County Fall Prevention Coalition as our partners are aware of the critical and important issues that affect our citizens, as well as the health of individuals that are older adults. And that's defined as those 65 and over a definition by the American College of Surgeons.

So we are aware that falls are the number one cause of unintentional injuries and hospitalizations, as well as death in those that are older And in regard to the evidence-based classes that are provided by the Ventura County Area Agency on Aging, these classes help in keeping people upright. They help them in becoming stable and if they have a fall then they know what to do And not have injuries that we see on a daily basis in our trauma center. We see people that fall, have rib fractures, hip fractures and many many more injuries that can be prevented. And so this is the reason why we have this coalition and the efforts that are being put together to make it worthwhile to prevent these falls. The Area Agency on Aging also has some information about identifying These evidence based classes and signing up for them.

The numbers on the screen 805-477-7300 or can log onto vctriplea.org So I bring this over and over again to you, the story about my dad who was born a few days ago. He would have been 92 on September 13th. He took a fall at the age of 80. He was up and about after being evaluated in the emergency department in Houston where he was at the time and he was able to function subsequently after that. But about two, three months later he had another fall and ultimately became fearful of walking because he had some spinal injuries which he didn't recover from.

He eventually aspirated meaning he got food that came out from his stomach into his lungs and had to have a feeding tube placed Became so fearful of walking that he developed contractures or his feet, as you can see in the picture got stiff and they couldn't walk any longer. And then he spiraled and died in the year 2020. So I use him as an example because prior to his death we had a conversation about His legacy and what we want people to remember about him and how to use him as an example to move the envelope or the needle in regard to prevention of falls.

So, we have an event coming up and we're glad to partner with the Ventura County Fire Department it's going to be happening on September 26th then incidentally the first week of fall September 22nd onward is The Fall Prevention Awareness Week. So it's going to be happening at the Ventura County Fire Department headquarters in Thousand Oaks. It's a Friday and we truly appreciate the efforts provided by the Ventura County Fire Department. It's going to be happening from 8 to noon, and we have lots of collaborators in making this effort happen We have the ability to evaluate those for falls. We have nursing students coming out, and then we also have some classes like Zumba that will be provided to have audience participation. And here we have last year Supervisor Gorel giving us a welcome back then.

And then we have a video here that shows Supervisor Lopez, as well as CEO Sevette Johnson. Some memories of the event and we're glad that you showed up last year and hopefully we can have similar participation this time around so thank you very much for the opportunity.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:31:48

Any comments before we present? No, all right. Thank you. And our next item is Item 29. Supervisor Long?

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.891:33:39

Yes, thank you so much. Today I am very proud to be presenting the proclamation for the month of September 2025 as Hunger Action Month in Ventura County. As you know or maybe you don't know But we have had at our board many presentations in the fact that one in four being optimistic, let me say. One in four are using our food banks because of need And I sit on the board representing.

National Association of Counties and there has been some major cuts with food banks, with the USDA. And then also is I serve on the chair vice chair for the human services in education. There are some major cuts coming through with our SNAP program which is a supplemental nutrition assistance program There are classifications that are changing and those that were getting food from that service now will be. I can only understand what everyone is going through, that they're going to be using more food banks. And that program has been cut so much. So I just wanted to say thank you to our community, because our community is coming around and supporting our food banks and our farmers are volunteers picking in and doing so much.

I don't speak as eloquently on all of this. But today we have our CEO, Monica White from FoodShare to present that I get to present to you and the board members are here. This proclamation with our board but I just want you to give a little update for us if you could please.

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PresenterMonica White I'mFoodShare Ventura County affectionately known as the head food lady as wellProposedself-stated1:35:50

Well, thank you Supervisor Long and good morning to Supervisors Chair Parvin and Dr. Johnson. My name is Monica White I'm the President and CEO of FoodShare Ventura County affectionately known as the head food lady as well. We are so happy to be here today because once a year if we can come in and remind everyone about the state of hunger in Ventura County it's a very good reminder of what we are facing every single day 250,000 people used our services last year. That is one in four in Ventura County.

It's a startling number and many people don't even understand of like how can that even be possible in such an affluent county as such as Ventura? And the fact is that we are serving working families, farm workers seniors, veterans. There is 250,000 different reasons of why people are coming to our food banks and needing food. I'm going to share one story with you. Our weekly drive-thru distribution that we hold at College Park We started this during COVID five years ago thinking that we wouldn't have to go very long. We're like, oh, we'll do this for 90 days.

No it's taken much longer than that obviously to be able to fill this need but Rosa is a grandmother and one of my volunteers shared the story with me that she went through the line and she was with her two grandchildren and she had told their volunteer that she had been skipping meals Because she needed food for her kids. So when she got this box of produce, she got a box of chicken milk eggs She whispered to the person handling or the food. Thank you so much. I'm gonna be able to sit down and and eat with my grandkids tonight. And it's those stories that really drive us every single day to be able to even do better.

And Supervisor Long, thank you so much for reaching out and asking how are the cuts going to affect us? Senator Lamone asked me to come to Sacramento a few weeks ago to speak on the effects of the federal cuts at a joint select committee for nonprofits. And the fact is, is that we have seen cuts already. Eight truckloads of food that was coming to Ventura County was canceled. That is 200,000 pounds of food nearly $400,000 that we had to find to be able to replace it was chicken. It was eggs it was milk. It was the same food that we were providing to Rosa to be able to give to her grandkids And this is just the beginning. We know that with the cuts that are coming to SNAP in the future, not this year but maybe even next year we are bracing for that.

We know there is going to be an influx of additional people who are going to need support but the good news is Food Sheriff Ventura County has been here for the last nearly 50 years. We are going to be here for the future. We're building for our future and we're going to be able to provide to make sure that no one in Ventura County goes hungry, and we really appreciate your support. Thank you.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.891:39:13

Well I'm gonna give you a little bit more than you need to say and that is our community is so great And the private donations have been huge in filling those gaps where government can't provide. And so you have an event Saturday that I'm attending, and I'm very proud to be attending it. Could you mention it? Or where can people make donations if they would like to?

PresenterMonica White I'mFoodShare Ventura County affectionately known as the head food lady as wellProposedself-stated1:39:40

Well, thank you. And we do we have our big annual fundraiser it's called Fed Up. It's a shindig. We hold it in the street and between our two warehouses and it's Saturday and I believe most of you are going or you're sending a representative so thank you so much for supporting us on that but it's an annual fundraiser to be able to help us Raise the $9 million that we need on an annual basis to be able to continue to feed our neighbors. So if you want more information or if you'd like to volunteer or hold a food drive, all three of those is what makes the magic happen. Foodshare.com has all the information you need and I'd like to also just say thank you to the staff and our board chair Drew West who came here today but we have Jennifer Caldwell, Christy Pollard and Brian Fisher, our C team that makes the magic happen.

You guys are awesome.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.891:40:33

Thank you so much and supervisors any comments or we'll go down and take a picture. Thank you. We'd be honored.

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PresenterMonica White I'mFoodShare Ventura County affectionately known as the head food lady as wellProposedself-stated1:41:01

Yeah, I'm so glad.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.891:41:10

Hi, nice to see you. Oh gosh yes. Nice to see you. We just go down the line of hugging.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:43:06

All right, so we're going to proceed now with regular agenda item number 31. Approval of the response to the 2024-2025 Ventura County Grand Jury Report entitled Ventura County Animal Services Commission or submittal to the presiding judge of the Superior Court and joining us is the Deputy CEO. Thank you Mike.

GuestLevierProposed · by introduction1:43:30

Thank you very much Supervisor Grell. Thank you. Good morning Chair Parvin, members of the board, CEO Dr. Johnson along with me today I also have Animal Services Director Esteban Rodriguez and Assistant Director Donna Gillespie The grand jury conducted a review of the Ventura County Animal Services Commission and produced a report focusing on the animal services commission's governance, effectiveness and alignment with its original mission.

In the report, it identifies several concerns summarized as follows an overall diminished advisory role of the commission due to inconsistent meetings a lack of bylaw adherence and weakened communication some operational and facility challenges. Mental health concerns for staff and volunteers stemming from compassion fatigue. Limited accessibility with the VCAS communications available in English, and then contractual misalignment where current agreements with contract cities do not reflect modern best practices or cost realities in the animal services environment.

The grand jury required a response from your board And they invited responses from the commission and from the animal services director. Given that the proposed response for your board's consideration was developed in coordination with the animal services director, and your board's representative on the Animal Services Commission, the animal services director will not be providing a separate response.

In summarizing the responses, the grand jury required responses on 10 findings. Findings F1, F2, F3, F5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 and recommendations 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7. The county's response prepared, as mentioned in coordination with the Animal Services Director and the board's appointee is summarized as follows. The response concurs with six of the findings including those related to governance Outdated facilities and language accessibility.

And partially agrees with four of the findings, but offered some clarifications. We wanted to clarify that animal services has always been an open admission shelter and the shift noted by the report was towards a no-kill model in 2014. Budgetary decisions have not ever superseded best practices but have been made within resource constraints And spay-neuter ordinances are supported, but we encourage access to care within the community. And so we wanted to highlight the recent success of the partnership with the Animal Services Foundation and deploying a mobile spay and neuter clinic. And that has been a huge success in bringing services out to the communities And an example of best practices in our communities.

We also acknowledge that compassion fatigue is real, but there are challenges with the training programs offered in this space that they aren't often designed for the animal services worker And the number of hours involved with those training classes oftentimes put more stress on the volunteers because that takes time out of their schedule. So we're working through those challenges.

On the recommendations, recommendations 1, 2, 5 and 6 will be implemented with anticipated completion in 2026. These include revising the Animal Services Commission bylaws, enhancing advisory processes and modernizing contract agreements, and addressing staff wellness. It should be noted though that the bulk of the recommendations are really in coordination with the Animal Services Commission so They will be dependent upon the Animal Services Commission working and agreeing to those changes. And then recommendation seven, which recommended expanding services to the cities of Thousand Oaks and Santa Paula will be further analyzed. There's determinations on capacity and costs associated with that whether it would be beneficial or not so that will be further analyzed as well.

So, the response prepared for your board's consideration reflects the county's commitment to transparency and collaboration and continuous improvement in the animal services welfare environment. It also acknowledges that the vital role of our volunteers and the importance of strengthening our partnerships with contract cities. The county sincerely appreciates the grand jury's efforts in reviewing the effectiveness of the Animal Services Commission And concurs with their recognition of the many Ventura County volunteers who give up their time, effort and talents to support the animal shelters and provide emergency evacuation and rescue response.

So we respectfully request the board's guidance and approval on this recommendation and the proposed response for submittal to the presiding judge of the Superior Court.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.591:49:06

Thank you. Supervisor Long?

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.891:49:08

Yes, I do have a question on number F10. Did the grand jury understand that the eight cities that are participating actually have a contract with us and actually help fund the service because my understanding is for example Santa Paula does not

GuestLevierProposed · by introduction1:49:32

That's correct. The city of Thousand Oaks in Santa Paula do not I think the grand jury's intention with that finding and recommendation is is considering if there are opportunities to further spread costs across the two additional cities.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.891:49:46

Okay, and my understanding is is that we do try and reach out to those cities and ask them to join But it's their choice that they join.

GuestLevierProposed · by introduction1:49:55

That's correct,

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.891:49:56

okay I just wanted to make sure that people understood that each city has the choice to join and help us with our

GuestLevierProposed · by introduction1:50:03

animals. That's absolutely correct but we did want to note that adding on additional capacity would also be done in coordination and with analysis on the impacts of facilities and being able I appreciate it was a

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.891:50:18

very thoughtful response. Thank you Supervisor LeVere.

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.941:50:28

Thank you, Madam Chair and as the sports representative on the Animal Services Commission I was able to meet with the grand jury following the release of this report and it was a really positive conversation. I appreciate their work on this and I think my big takeaway from my meeting with the grand jury was a recognition that a lot of what they investigated in uncovered was a result of historical leadership at the department and they were You know, and unanimous in their message to me that they see a lot of positive changes coming out of our animal services department now under the leadership of Director Rodriguez. I want you look at best practices and relationships with our city partners, our relationships with our local rescue partners bringing online the new mobile spay neuter clinic.

They had a lot of positive things to say about the department and it was a very positive discussion and they look forward to the future of the department under the leadership of Director Rodriguez and I think although the report did have a lot of recommendations, I think they recognize that positive change is already happening. So I wanted to report that back.

GuestLevierProposed · by introduction1:51:34

Thank you very much Supervisor for pointing that out. They did note that we're on up a very positive trajectory and that has been noted in your board's response so thank you very much for bringing that up.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:51:46

And if I recall, they were updating their bylaws already. Right?

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.941:51:51

We kicked it off and we hope to do it early next year to go back and look at the bylaws which have not been changed in some time.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:51:59

And the leadership change has really been excellent so we'll see next time the grand jury takes a look might be a little bit more positive. Any other comments or speakers on this item?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:52:14

Yes,

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:52:14

one more

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:52:15

addition that the true test of. Leadership and capability is under an emergency too. And I think When we've had natural disasters in mountain fire the Ventura County Animal Services staff team leadership and all the volunteers have just been plain-out heroic so that's I just to think that that is the true test of Capability and then in all of our team, and they've always done a great job in that particular arena So just want to add that to the conversation Thank you. Thank You supervisor

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:52:49

Any other

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.591:52:50

comments?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:52:51

Chair Carbon, there are no public comment for this item. Thank you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.591:52:55

Okay then let's...

Roll-call vote Passed Moved by Veer · Seconded by Kelly Long approve staff recommendations
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Item number 31 motion to approve staff recommendations moved by Supervisor Veer seconded by Supervisor Long please vote that passes unanimously thank you.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:53:09

Thank you our next item is item 32 under Public Works Ratification of the application submitted for Senate Bill 1, cycle 4. Transportation corridor enhancement program grant funds in the amount of $11,350,000. Authorization to accept the award and enter into a baseline agreement with California Transportation Commission and authorization to approve applications for future grant opportunities for the Wainimi Road widening Edison Drive to Rice Avenue Project Phase 1, project number 50629, Supervisory District Number 5.

Anitha?

Commentmy name is AnithaProposedself-stated1:53:45

Good morning, Supervisor Parvin, members of the board, CEO Dr. Johnson, for the record my name is Anitha Balin and I'm here As Supervisor Parvin mentioned, she read the whole thing. So that leaves my job easy. We're here to you know get your authorization to accept the grant, the T-sub grant which is for the widening of the Wene'mu Road project from two lanes to four lanes between the city of Oxnard and Rice Avenue and which will include you know four lanes paved median and buffered bike lanes.

This grant goes a long way towards the completion of the final design and right-of-way position for this project, but however we are still in need for additional funding about $4 million for completing the design and about $32 million for the construction of this project. I just want to say thank you to VCTC for providing their support in acquiring this grant and they are continued supporting looking for future opportunities And we also have worked very well with the state and, you know, Caltrans, CTC, the Naval Base, the Port of Wene'mu and, you know, the cities of Port Wene'mu and Oxnard. And also to the PWA team who will be working continuously through the next few years to successfully complete this project by 2031. With that I'm here to answer any questions.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.891:55:11

Any questions? Supervisor Lopez. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Anita. I really appreciate the work that you're all taking on and the community engagement to just looking ahead in preparation for this project. So I appreciate the outreach and the opportunity to support your efforts. And in the meantime, the work that is being done to repave some of the roads Before we get to the widening project that I think is really helping the driving conditions out in the plane. So thank you for, to the whole PWA team for your work.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:55:46

Thank

Commentmy name is AnithaProposedself-stated1:55:47

you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:55:48

Yeah, I think all of us travel that roadway so we're familiar with it. Thank you. Are there any speakers on this item?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:55:56

Chair Parvin, there are no requests to speak for this item. Thank you

Roll-call vote Passed Moved by Vianey Lopez · Seconded by Janice S. Parvin approve staff recommendation
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Item number 32 motion to approve staff recommendation moved by Supervisor Lopez, seconded by Supervisor Parvin. Please vote. That passes unanimously thank you.
ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.721:56:12

Thank you our next item is under resource management agency receive and file information regarding enforcement of the county's outdoor events ordinance and provide direction to staff on the initiation of amendments to the county's outdoor events ordinance and alternatives for a compliance mechanism Mr. Mullane

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:56:29

Thank you, Madam Chair. Good morning Supervisors, CEO Dr. Johnson, Mr. Berg and staff. Rob Mullane with the Resource Management Agency. I just want to say a few comments and then I'm going to turn it over to Doug Leeper our Director of Code Compliance. And before I even start I want to recognize Doug for all his efforts he has announced his retirement so this will be his final board meeting And I know there's a lot that he and I were working on. I continue to work on those with other members of the staff. We look forward to the recruitment process, but we will miss Doug in his personality and his leadership for that division so and he has a retirement party coming up in October.

There's flyers post around. So for this item, this is a challenging one for us. We have regulations for outdoor events that are very difficult for our code compliance staff to enforce and that's led to Some folks that do not have conditional use permits to run outdoor events, to be able to get away with things that they probably shouldn't be getting away with. And for those that have gone through the expense and the time of obtaining a CUP, they have restrictions on what they can do.

It's very time consuming, it's a very expensive process and then annual inspections, they have limitations on number of people. They have hours of operation limitations so they're playing by the rules and then there are other facilities that are exempt or characterizing themselves as exempt that that are able to Perhaps have a unfair business advantage over the folks that that have gone through the expense and are now competing with the folks that do not have CPS so we want to find a better solution, a better set of regulations that we can.

We want to make sure that we are adhering to the limitations that are set forth in our ordinance. So it's again this has been a challenging one for us, we have put some great deal of thought into changes So that we can also do better enforcement of the existing regulations. We wanted to bring this item to the board today, however as a as an update as to where we are with some some of the challenges are and some ideas and concepts that we want to get the boards guidance on.

some direction from the board and Mr. Leiper will go into more detail as to what those components are but I just want to assure the board and the CEP holders, some of which are in the audience here and some of which have sent letters that this has been a challenge for us we appreciate their patience it's taken a long time to identify the issues and bring this discussion item to the board we do look forward coming back to the board with Thank you very much. I'm going to turn it over to Doug Leeper and we'll both be available for questions.

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PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:00:00

Thank you, Rob. Oh gosh. I may get emotional. Chair Parvin, Supervisors, Dr. Johnson, staff, business and property owners. My name is Doug Leeper and it's a pleasure to stand before you here in the last few days of my tenure with the County of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before you, as many of you know we've talked to most of you if not all of you about concerns about unpermitted commercial event venues and if I can get this going bear with me.

There we go the county of Ventura regulates certain outdoor events pursuant to section 8107-46 of the Ventura County Excuse me, non-coastal zoning ordinance. The purpose of the regulations is to ensure that outdoor events are compatible with surrounding land uses and I think most importantly not detrimental to public health safety or the environment. As an initial matter it's important to note that the county's outdoor event regulations only apply to certain types of outdoor activities in certain locations.

And so sorry for the small font here but trying to get a lot of information in one place And so I think it's important to note that the zones are open space, agricultural exclusive and rural agricultural. And these comes directly off our website for frequently asked questions. There's a lot of frequently asked questions there's a lot of answers because the ordinance itself is is somewhat, I'll say muddy. It is what it is and it's sometimes difficult to understand upon a first or second reading through so.

It does not cover events held mainly indoors however I will say we have had comments and reports of some of the events held indoors being held in an agricultural barn with gas heaters which that is a separate violation We're going to talk a little bit about some of the things that we've been working on over the last couple of weeks. The first one is the safety mechanisms are not there for it to be used as an assembly building and then tell the public locations or not under this mobile events events with fewer attendees than defined thresholds And the smaller events that are exempted from regulations are attended by seventy five or fewer total attendees and that term refers to staff guests caretakers etc.

Over the course of the event on a lot that is smaller than 250 acres or by 100 or fewer attendees over the course of the event in lots greater than 250 acres and that can be combined contiguous parcel zone by the same folks. Those are allowed. There's an unlimited number of those that folks can have, they don't need a CUP, they don't have to register, they don't have to necessarily have a business license or anything else and they can have those unlimited number on those under that parameter and charge there can be compensation for that event and activity.

And so there are other issues The ordinance allows for those properties that are up to 250 The larger parcels are allowed excuse me up to 5 acres is allowed 76 to 150. The larger parcels 5 acres to 249 acres are allowed 76 to 255 times a year for compensation. And 250 acres or over can have 101 to 350 up to 10 times a year on those properties and so the issues that come for 2 to our The only folks that have had. Attention and are reported quite regularly are folks that have gone outside of these parameters they've either had 6 or more events with more than the allowed number of folks.

They in some cases turned their property into a commercial I'm going to go ahead and open it up for questions.

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ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:05:05

I do have a question when you say compensation could you give me an example of that because

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PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:05:22

We're going to go ahead and get started. I want to start by saying that this is a cash consideration right there paying money for the privilege of using I'm sorry, I'm nervous today. Why am I way out of my nerves today? Which is not like me so but compensation also can be in kind services anything like that which getting into the difficulty in investigating and enforcing violations of the ordinance is we don't have access to I've got a place here for your wedding and you'll let me use your place for a car show. We have no control or no access to any of that information. We also don't know necessarily if someone is actually charging and collecting what we do know is on some of these sites they advertise on the website on there's various wedding planning websites and magazines, etc., that they do in fact So we do know that there is a So what if I was right this is not true.

But if I ever and

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ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:07:09

I'm taking 100 acres and I decided to provide my location for an organization to do an event. They charge people to attend that event is that compensation?

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:07:24

That's not compensation to the property owner, but it would count as one of their large events of that year whether they charged for it or not

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:07:31

Okay so even if they advertise this event that they're having that's not considered advertising for the property.

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:07:41

I think I've got it. So if the property owner is allowing and say it's

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:07:50

like a nonprofit

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:07:50

nonprofit to use their property and the nonprofit is advertising tickets right now that does not fall under that advertising we would use it in evidence showing that there was in fact an event there

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:08:02

but if they do it more than 5 time

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:08:05

whether they're whether they're charging for the use of the property or not if they do it more than five times then that is a violation

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:08:10

Aha, gotcha. And those that attend have no clue?

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:08:15

I would doubt it.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:08:16

Right?

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:08:17

Yeah.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:08:18

Okay.

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:08:18

Thanks. And so we have kind of a matrix that helps in some of that indoor events. Obviously, this is an outdoor event ordinance and we get some of that sometimes. Oh no the event was inside but the reception was outside. And so it's again one of those things that is difficult for us to pinpoint and document to move anything forward. But as you can see property sizes 0 to 249 can have 75 up to 75 attendees unlimited throughout The the calendar year one every day if they want to and they can charge for it. And one of the things that we find that's that's disconcerting is that the the operational standards that apply to those who have CUPs or those that are going beyond 75 such as where they can park do they have to have restrooms lighting hours of operation?

Those in this instance don't apply And so it's a little bit of a hole in it that there are no standards. They can just have up to 75 and play their music till whenever unless somebody calls the sheriff and disturbing the peace. So over 250 acres, they could have up to 100 attendees as we said earlier with the same thing. The operational standards don't apply.

They can have one day 365 days a year. We don't have any Records of anybody doing that currently. Yes, sir. You bet. OK. And so these are the basic operational standards that I said those that we just talked about do not have to adhere to and that's parking under protected trees, off-site vehicle parking. Each event may occur between 8 and 10. So because they're you don't know they're not held to those operational standards they can start earlier they can go later and there's not a violation of the ordinance They can have amplified music before and after 10 because the operational standards on those smaller ones don't apply. And as you can see, there's other things about hazardous fire areas which we know is growing every day. They're identifying more hazardous fire areas.

And one of the things we see is some of these are fairly remote. They have a lot of people in attendance and there's very little or a small ingress and egress path for emergency equipment to get in while if there was something bad to happen there, an explosion, a fire Whatever all these people be trying to get out. So there is a health and safety aspect to this.

Portable restrooms for 50 or more attendees, which would be all of the unlimited events. Right? And so they don't have to provide that in temporary lighting, et cetera. Now when we get into the larger events, they do apply those operational standards do apply. But again, we don't know where these are. They're not registering. They're not getting a permit. There's no permit required. They can just have this large event. So we don''t know We do get from time to time relatively frequently actually on a Monday morning or Tuesday morning notice of there was a huge event on Saturday. There was at least 500 people there and the music went till midnight and so but we don't know that until after the fact because As I'll show here, the issues impacting our investigation are advanced notice.

We don't get notice of where these events are going to be because they don't have to tell anybody. They don't have to say we're having an event of 350-450 people. They just have it whether they're being compensated for it or not and then we hear about it from either neighbors or other concerned citizens or in fact the folks that hold CUPs, we hear from them. They monitor that as it's going on. Event access even if we do know That something's happening and we need to want we want to go on a check to count heads to make sure that they're not over their limit.

So we have issues confirming attendance. We hear after the fact we get pictures if I don't take the pictures or my staff doesn't take the pictures, we can't necessarily testify to that picture was taken at that location and so we heavily rely on folks who are reporting these. Are you willing to testify We've had a couple of our most successful if you will enforcement case.

Somebody said yes I will and we were able to document what was going on they're willing to testify if we go forward that's not necessary the property owner is complying in the process of getting everything that they need to do that but that's we're highly dependent on other folks I could ask to see their checkbook. I doubt that they're going to give it to me, I wouldn't do that but we don't have access to that nor do we have subpoena power to access that information to find out and so there's some insufficient enforcement tools some of these like I said some of these venues are making $25-$35,000 a week or a day multiple times a week sometimes and if I fine them my fine is gonna be about 100 bucks I'm not going to personalize this.

Yeah, you don't know how happy I am about that. Thank you. And so it's there is no financial deterrent. There's two to stopping this or coming in and registering And so possible solutions is to add we added some additional regulations on advertising that if you're doing providing a service at an event venue that would require a CUP, you can't advertise unless you have a CUP. Again, that's problematic because we don't know that they need a CUP until they violate enough or go over that limit and we just are having incredible difficulty documenting that at the time it happens. So we don't have staff that works the weekends currently and this all happens Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And so an additional staff member maybe a part timer or some overtime on voluntary basis to go out but I think as some of the folks will share with you we have upwards of 40-50 of these that are not on the don't have a CUP.

Some of them are operating We're going to go out and look at what's happening under the current guidelines. Many of them are not. And so to identify OK, we're going to go out to which ones this weekend? We know some that happen almost every weekend and those would be the first ones that we would go to. But again without the ability Drones are a potential investigative tool that we would not be the tip of the sword. Many counties throughout the state of California use drones for various things and code enforcement is not a stranger to that, for looking at large properties with lots of violations such as abandoned vehicles or inoperable vehicles.

We could take a drone, fly it to a legal distance and look down on the venue to see and get a count there. I'm just putting that out there and to require self-registration on what we would consider active commercial venues. And so if you are advertising your property, you don't have a CUP and you're advertising your property as an event venue for compensation that would put you in the category of a commercial location.

Just a property owner and you like to have barbecues with a lot of your best friends over, and you're not charging and you're not on the internet or in the periodicals advertising your location for an event then you're not a commercial venue and that would not the self-registration would not apply. Also, we talked about conditional use permits which are a long and thorough and can be expensive process.

But a temporary use permit for say somebody who wanted to have one or two events larger than was allowed in the code to come in and make that Not the full CUP, but a temporary use permit with an inspection say by fire or sheriff to make sure that there's egress and proper ability for first responders to get in if they needed to. Queryed several other counties throughout California and many of them use a temporary use permit with an inspection so the fire can go in and say you want to have your event here but it's right next to this steep slope of dead and dying vegetation. You could have it over here and just get a lay of the land if you will, to find out what's the safest way for them to proceed with their event.

And increased fines I I tell people I never find anybody but a lot of people find themselves. We always start off with a courtesy notice or notice of violation allowing folks the opportunity to comply before fines are assessed in this instance we would We talked about self-registration requirement. We would ask for the fines to be significant enough to be a financial deterrent to operating outside the code 2000 5000 10,000 after we would provide them notice of you are in violation if you continue then these fines will We'll be implemented.

Extend the CUP renewal terms that's one of the things that's in here as well for the folks that do see you peas and it's a short term be at 5 or 10 years to allow them to continue and get those CPS renewed for a longer period of time based on the fact that they've been compliant with the CUP there's been no violations And apply operational standards that I talked about to all of the commercial events, whether it be 75 or 400. If you are a commercial event venue as we talked about your advertising and holding events for compensation then you would be responsible to have to adhere to the operational standards that everybody else has to adhere to.

Wow! I made it through it.

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2:19 – 2:3418 turns

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.592:19:02

Questions?

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:19:04

Supervisor Long. Thank you, I had a question and once you talk about CUPs, I think we crossed the board there are issues with CUPs for this ordinance what is the length of the CUP?

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:19:20

That would be I'm on the enforcement side. I don't do, I don't issue these conditional use permits. I don't know if there's somebody here Dave or somebody who can maybe 10 years thank you.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:19:33

So okay so a length of it is ten years and it takes usually how long to get a CUP? Two to four years. Okay and what is the cost of CUPs?

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.592:19:49

Depends

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:19:51

Is can someone answer this.

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:19:53

Yeah.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:19:55

I appreciate it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:19:57

So these are great questions is it's going to be specific on the on the location and I will tell you, it's lengthy. I believe that it would be up to four years in certain cases. I don't think that's always the case. I think there are situations where we can get through that process and a year or year and a half The cost again is significant. It's not $10,000. It's not $15,000 it's more on the order of 60 to 100 or more because one of the things that happens with a CUP is you need to do CEQA. You need to do the CEQ analysis and that's costly. You have to hire a traffic consultant. You have to hire perhaps say a biologist. You have to hire different specialists and prepare technical studies that then the county uses as part of their environment review process So, the concept of extending out the CUPs for renewals is one that we really think would help the CUP holders so that they're not on this hamster wheel where they're constantly back in the process to renew their CUPs.

You know that I think where we're leaning towards at this point and we're open to any suggestions from the board is, is to keep the initial term at five years because for a brand new facility you want to make sure that they're not having issues with their neighbors. And it is a conditionally used permit. You have large numbers of people perhaps music amplified noise there could be issues with your neighbors so if we keep that initial term what the thinking right now is keep that initial term at five years But then the first renewal might be 15 years beyond that it might be 20 or 25 years so that there's not this This continual need to come back to the county go back through the process and Spend a lot more money. I would say the renewals are not two to four years renewals are quicker and are more easily Obtained by staff they're also less expensive because you've done a lot of the technical studies the first time around but the first time around is lengthy and expensive

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:21:58

Right, and so hearing that my initial gut reaction is like wait I just took that long to get a CUP and it's only going to get it for that duration in very short. Why am I registering? But there's also inspections right that they have to pay for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:22:16

Yeah, there are with any conditional use permit we do periodically go out and ensure that they are abiding by their conditions of approval for the outdoor event holders. The CEP holders that is an annual inspection. That's nothing set in stone on that and our that would be one of the things that we could look at providing some relief if people are You know go through the first couple of years and there's no incidents than we may be extending that out because as a result of those inspections sometimes there are things that are noted that do require.

Additional financial commitments and resources to address from the from the property owner the event operator. So there's, and I should have also just caveated that one of the reasons that our ordinance right now is so challenging is because the county was sued by and it was sued on the basis of outdoor events. And their requirements were too nebulous they gave the county too much discretion. So we had to revise the Outdoor Events Ordinance to something that allowed folks to have events without getting a CUP And we and again, we established five events per year above 75 or 10 for larger properties above 100.

really challenging to enforce. So we are committed to coming back to the board and the Planning Commission first with revisions to ordinance today is to introduce some of the issues I know many of you have met with some of the CEP holders that many of you perhaps met with some of the folks that are doing exempt events and want to ensure that they're able to continue to do Those but we see issues with how the ordinance is written and it's in. And I think there are significant improvements that we can make that will make it a fairer process. I absolutely am committed to making the CUP process across the board easier and less costly, less time consuming.

That that is not something specific to outdoor events. That's that's it's a challenging environment. We have a lot of environmental resources out there that CEQA Studies are expensive and time consuming in the process. We're looking at ways to simplify that process, make it less time consuming and expensive for applicants whether it's outdoor events or any other CEP.

And so we have some we have an ordinance that's very difficult for staff to work with. It's difficult to the folks that have gone through the process to get CEPs. So we want to do two things one is make changes to the ordinance to make it a more enforceable and more fair. And the other is to look for ways to provide some relief to the CUP holders so that their expenses and time are not as challenging as they are now.

And then at the same time we recognize that there are, as I said in my introductory comments, there are folks that want to just have a few events a year and yeah they may charge money they may not. That's part of being a member of the community offering you know really neat venue for their folks you know or folks that you would like to welcome onto your property have those events so we want to maintain that. I think that's an important component. We don't want to just eliminate that altogether The TUP process, the Temporary Use Process is a way to allow those but have more control over what we then what we have now. And and the board letter I think was more clear on this than perhaps the presentation but what we're recommending at this point is not to go into a temporary use permit requirement for all events that is an option that is something that a lot of counties do But we're recommending at this point to have a self-registration for commercial operators, so those that are advertising that have to notify us in advance very simple form.

It's something they would fill out online doesn't have to be done two weeks in advance it can be done 72 hours in advance and just say hey we are having an event that exceeds the thresholds for exempt event so that we can track how many events are happening at each venue above those threshold attendance limits per year. And if somebody has an event and they haven't filled out a registration form, then it's a much easier way for us to note a violation. Hey you needed to notify us ahead of time that you're having this event through the self-registration form. There is no cost for that there is no real review or your approved. It's just it's just a notification in the county hey we're having we're having this event so That's our first step. I don't want to say that's flawless, but it is a step in the right direction.

If we try that, that does not work. It's still challenging. I think the next step would be to require temporary use permits for each each event whether and if you want to have. If you don't want to have to go through that hassle of a TUP permit for every events that you have, you can go ahead and go through the process to get a CUP and there's tremendous benefit to having a CUP to have these events they are lucrative.

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ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:27:48

And with all that said I wanted to say thank you for bringing this back to us because we just But did the advertisement in January.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:27:56

That's right

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:27:57

and we have made some changes but what I'm really excited about is where our board is moving now because I've been here a long time and I've seen a lot of things and to be able to things change roles and ordinances change, we have 58 counties that are dealing with the same thing And I'm curious to find out, and we've done this for other ordinances. What are the other options that counties are doing for the CUP and the temporary? And how do they handle that? I personally would like to know because I have a lot of rural areas in my district and we have in our county. We have farming. We have ag tourism. We have generous people But we also have fabulous outdoor events. And I want to make sure that when someone's at one of those events, they know that they've gone through all the precautions and the food safety just like if you were going to a restaurant right?

You get a little seal and you could know that that's amazing and fabulous. I've been to event. I didn't know that they didn't have a CUP or they did had no clue. But I think it's a great time to really make this more robust And like you all said, the suggestion. So I know I would like to see what are the other advantages? I also love talking about the length of this EUP and how quickly we can get those. But then there's also the inspections. I think you've all talked about a lot and I would like to see what else we could do based on what we've learned. So, I appreciate your comments and just wanted to ask those questions. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:29:44

Yes.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:29:46

Supervisor Garrell?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:29:47

Yeah, thank you. I've a few questions you may get whiplash little bit because I'm gonna play devil's advocate but first of all it's a challenging place in Ventura County coastal farming and I know that we've got different stakeholders here. We've got those who have spent the time and followed the law and obtained a CUP and are good actors within the current ordinance. We've got those who are bad actors who are willfully acting in a way they know circumvents the ordinances and are doing it on the down low, and it's very difficult to enforce.

And then we've got a lot of other folks that are going to be caught up in that are just private property owners who are just going to be caught up in whatever bureaucracy was created around registration around limitations to property rights, essentially that we're creating here possibly. And so I'm trying to keep an open mind about how we're going to affect all of these different folks. I would agree with Supervisor Long. I'd love to see what other counties are doing. It's my understanding that some counties have have initiated ordinances that are pretty well received across the stakeholder realm that I just mentioned.

I think that as we go from county to county, they have different kind of legal input. Our County Council may be a little bit more conservative than others as it relates to the federal case that was brought against us and And toward the Constitution in general, and then other counties may have more liberal application of these kind of implications. I understand that San Luis Obispo has a decent ordinance on this. I'd love to kind of get that feedback before we're asked to make a change in our ordinance for fear that we're going to make another change There can't be enforced or doesn't have teeth to it, or just creates more infringement on private property rights that we don't have to do or don't want to do.

And whatever's brought back, which is my humble request that we do it and I've mentioned this before, is in the military you have three COAs. COA 1, COA 2, COA 3 and the commander decides which one they wanna go with. And maybe those, the COA coming back And then we can also look at what other counties are doing in the opportunity that we may want to adopt another county's approach to this.

So following up on on this now is a portion of the questions so I have a question and that is if you're doing accounting from your home in an unincorporated or incorporated, You're asked to get a business permit. Are there any requirements around a business permit even for those who don't meet the threshold or exceed the threshold that would require a CUP be if they are seeking, if it is commercial and they are seeking compensation?

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:33:10

I know that the those with C U P's come in and get their And so that would be something that I will say that I did reach out to several jurisdictions and got their feedback. San Luis Obispo was one of them the vast majority of them are using temporary use permits unless it's a you know, unless somebody wants to go and do this a lot more often as our CUP holders do And so that's one of the reasons we threw it in there.

And I think Rob pointed out that self-registration, I want to make sure everybody knows is that's just free. You don't have to pay for this registration you're just keeping us on notice. And here's how many people were there and that's it. And so we can track, and then if they don't, then we find out on Monday that they had an event on Saturday. Then all I have to do is look and see if there was a registration. If there wasn't, then that becomes a violation that hopefully will encourage them to come in and just do the self-registration.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:34:36

I understand you and I've been wrestling with this for years. Thank thank you for all of your work and support on this and coming out to meet constituents of mine at Municipal Advisory Council so one of the one of the ideas that has been bantered about more recently, and I just again This is part of the whiplash back and forth. I'm curious to get your thoughts on whether It's been suggested and I'd like to get your feedback on the idea of just eliminating the CUP process, the formal events venue location that so many people have gone through refunding those monies back to the CUP holders and moving forward with an ordinance that doesn't consider CUP but just a series of temporary CUPs.

CommentGary BallProposedself-stated2:35:31

I'll let you answer

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:35:31

that. Since Doug is a short timer, I'll take that. You know, I think if that is an option it certainly provides more reliance on a temporary use permit process that again if somebody wants to do these regular events they don't necessarily want to have to fill out 50 temporary use permit applications through the year One of the advantages of going through the CUP process is all the things that you would look at in a temporary use permit process, you look at and then you establish is that site appropriate for certain number of attendees. How many events a year can they have?

And then it also gives, it should, in a more perfect world, it should give the CUP holders a competitive advantage Because they can advertise, they can do multiple events. They can exceed the 5 or 10 events per year limitations for larger size events. So there's a benefit that goes along with the CUP but it also provides the county with some health and safety standards and environmental protections that should be part of a use on that piece of land that has a benefit to the property owner, but there's also things that we want to make sure that we're protecting for the health and safety of our residents.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:36:58

And then I guess this leads to my next question is to what extent—and it'd be interesting to get your feedback on this at a later date, I suppose when you had time to process it—but it seems like We have an ordinance with a lot of words on a piece of paper. The challenge has been enforcement, really the challenge has been we find out afterwards not during. We don't have responders in the middle of the night.

Property owners are having massive events with helicopters that drop off a bride and groom. And then the event's over the next day The code enforcement hears about it or maybe see some images on Facebook. And for most people, they think this is great evidence but it can't be really introduced. It can't be used if it's litigated because code enforcement didn't take the picture themselves. So really adding more words to the pages of criteria It's only as good as our ability to enforce.

And so my thought and question on this is if you could have a magic wand and create a capability to enforce the current set of statutes and ordinances, What would that look like? And you may not have to answer that from the podium, from the lectern right now because I'm putting you on the spot. But I think that would be valuable for this board to know what it would require to truly enforce because just adding more conditions and more requirements even requirement to register requires us to be able to enforce if it's violated or ignored. Right,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:38:49

yeah that came up some of this came up after the board letter was prepared and so this concept of well somebody registers but they say hey it's just 60 people how do we document that it's more than 60 people? We're back in the same boat So it's not counted towards the limit on what they have per year. Well, one mechanism for that is that if you're a commercial operator, you're advertising?

That's the threshold. If you're advertising then you have to register every event and maybe we'll have a lower limit that's reasonable 20 people okay but anything whether it's 50 people 60 people 75 people 250 people you have to register all those events And then that would be a easier way to enforce that broadly more broadly speaking I think. We want to, you know if there's a temporary use permit that's part of the requirements. If we go down that pathway one of the things it would be a normal standard condition in a temporary use permit is you have access to the site if code compliance shows up and somebody has the benefit of a temporary use permit says you shall provide them access and so then we can get on the site and we can count the way it is right now if you're exempt There's no right of entry, right?

You have to you have to be get permission now for noise violations if they're reported correctly to the sheriff's department as a noise disturbance. It can't be hey they're having a party because they all that's code compliance. They say I am being disturbed by this noise. This is where I live and yes, I am willing to sign a warrant that allows the Sheriff's Department right now to go out and cite them for For disturbing the peace and it also allows the sheriff's deputy to get on the property and then they can coordinate code combines say yeah there's 300 people there

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ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.942:40:43

but we can handle that through our existing noise ordinance right. That doesn't have to be part of that's already in

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:40:48

place right we can we need cooperation from the Sheriff's Department and most importantly we need the reporting party to say this is a disturbing the peace case. This is not a large event piece and that's rarely what they say so the sheriffs, they do have and they'll say well where are you located? Oh you're 10 miles away and it's disturbing your peace? We're not going to go out we have other stuff to do if you're right next door they'll send somebody out and yes we could coordinate with them and have them provide headcounts You know, Doug mentions drones and I know that has a reciprocal reaction to a lot of people but other counties are using that. And if we were adamant hey we need these drones to look into the property and count heads and that's all we're ever going to do with the drones then that's one way we can enforce it.

I don't know if the optics of that are ever gonna be Something that this board or this county is going to embrace, but that's an option. I do think there's merit in the self-registration process and it does make it a lot easier for our code compliance folks to document violations If and again that's our recommendation at this point to the board is let's try the self-registration and make the changes to the ordinance that we talked about. Extend out the CEPs, increase the fines substantially and make some other improvements for readability Workability for our code compliance staff that does not work. Then our next recommendation again We're gonna we're gonna take whatever direction you have, but our next recommendation would be okay at that point Maybe we need to look at a TUP process But I don't I don't think where we're at a point where we want to recommend doing away with the CUP process because I think that that's That's a well-established way of balancing out a financial reward that somebody gets from doing some sort of business or land use on their property with protections for the county and health and safety.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:42:58

Yeah, I found that the idea of a registry is met with a lot of resistance right now it almost feels like people being pulled into government to register something And that concept historically has been problematic for folks. And we're hearing a lot of negative feedback and reaction to that, so I'm curious as to what other ideas that we might have? I know that the idea of drones too is probably also problematic and that'd be very difficult, I think, to go to that level. I do think enforcement is required and that may mean people who are able to respond.

You know, at or about the time of the complaint if it's appropriate but there's folks that are doing things unpermitted without a CUP are the major as you know the major complaints are noise traffic trash And so we hear it, but we hear it three days afterwards. And the sheriff often can't respond or doesn't respond because traffic trash and noise for a big event are often code enforcement responsibility not necessarily law enforcement. So I guess my point here is that We're all being, again back to the word whiplash for being whiplashed a little bit on the arguments here and I think it all comes back to enforcement because even a registry requirement as mentioned before they could say well I registered but only had you know 42 people there and how.

How can we, if we can't have rules unless we're ready and willing and capable to enforce them. And if we don't have a verification process or validation process especially if somebody suggests the opposite is true Then I'm not sure it's, it makes sense to changing the ordinance. But I'd like when this does come back, I think would be really valuable to have the COAS right here different degrees of significance and severity. Here's different options embraced by other counties that have succeeded in Buffering legal scrutiny. And so I know it's an unenviable task to develop all this and bring it back for this board's consideration, but that would be my request.

Thank you Madam Chair.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:45:36

Madam Chair if I may just, and I'll be brief, just a response the self-registration form again much less invasive than a temporary use permit. That would be a permit fee, you'd have to do it at least a couple weeks in advance of every event. There's a possibility that the answer is no or no, you can't have 500 people, you can only have 100 people so the self-registration we feel is a step forward and one of the changes that we would or one of the components of that is for venues that are advertising They have to self-register regardless of the size of the event. So they can't say, oh it's just 60 people. Oh it's just 50 people. No every event they have to register and then if they're not registering in advance then that's a violation.

And again you know the other invasive component of a temporary use permit is access to the site. So you're getting an entitlement says I'm going to have this event I have a temporary use permit, but if code compliance gets a complaint they can show up at the site and have access. So that's one of the reasons we think that the self-registration is something worth trying first because it is less invasive than temporary use permit for the folks that just want to have a few events every year.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:47:01

I Have a few questions, but one of them was when I read the report It said that That we have 17 outdoor event venues. Yes, right? And then there are also two that are applied and they're going through the process and you're looking at how you can maybe make it a shorter time frame on CPS. I'm not sure how you're going to get there because it's pretty onerous.

How much is required when you go through a CEQA process? Next question is, how do you... There's one person that applied that has, is in violation, right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:47:44

Yes.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:47:45

So how long did they have to wait? Did you add more time onto them because they're trying to comply now and I'm just trying to have an understanding of that Because we're trying to get everyone in compliance, but we're going to hold you back because you violated our rule. I'm just trying to understand

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:48:03

it. And again that there's a reward benefit and cost for doing it outside the ordinance. Nobody is held in a vacuum in this. We notify them here's the rules you're bumping up against this if you have more than this it's going to preclude you from moving forward with your CEP application for two years. And so it's a time frame for two years. And again, that's meant to be hey come here do it the right way and go through this if you're going to have that many to a point where you do need a CUP.

And then the CUP takes

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:48:37

18 months. So they're really going to be waiting a long time?

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:48:41

Yes.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:48:42

Okay. That might be another area to look at. Yeah okay go ahead sorry.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:48:49

I'll just add to that, Chair, if I may. So one of the reasons we don't have that many CEP holders is the ordinance is relatively new. It hasn't been on books for 24 years. But it's also because folks can have events and charge and not have to have a CEP. So some of the research that Doug did on other counties, a lot of them, it's a bright line. If you're charging for events, you need to get a CUP.

You can if you just want, you know, grandma's 80th birthday party or Uncle Billy's wedding. Have at it do a TUP process so that we can check the site for basic safety and and you know, you know about it in advance and go through the process and I don't know that's that could be a $2,000 cost could be could be something something more something less depending on how that county has set that up.

But in counties where they have a bright line, you're entering into commercial world, you need a CEP. They're going to have more people get CEPs. But the way we have the exemptions set up in the wake of that lawsuit, it creates an incentive not to go through a CEP because you don't want those limitations. And some people may start off, oh, we're only going to do three or four events but then geez this is a good source of income let's increase that to 15 to 20 and we don't have the code enforcement So I think

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:50:50

So when they come back five years later for their CEP, is the cost pretty – is it a little bit more reasonable? Because you have to do the full on CEQA again.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:51:02

It absolutely should be and you may hear experience from some of the folks that are here in the audience who probably want to speak to this issue and they've had a hard row. I'm not taking anything away from them. It's an incredibly complex series of regulations. These are sites that are out in areas with a lot of environmental resources, and so the CEQA requirements can get very challenging and expensive.

But yeah, the first time around is where it's going to be the most time-consuming, most expensive. An extension of existing CEP, the baseline for CEQAs, hey what's on the ground already? You're doing events. And actually that's true for the ones that have been exempt for a while. We would look at baseline what's on the ground they've been doing events now they want to CUP to get their event so maybe we can find a way to make this CEQA process easier for more people that may be operating under exempt status now but they're not really exempt and we can encourage those folks to come into this CUP process.

But yet there's not an there's not as strong enough incentive in Ventura County to go get a CUP because people can do events And not have to abide by the...

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:52:08

It's cost and time, to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:52:09

me.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:52:09

That's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:52:10

what's

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:52:10

keeping them from

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:52:11

compliance. And there is one nice component of the way things are set up right now in our ordinance and we're not recommending changes to this but somebody can operate under that exemption limit and have a few events while they're going through the CUP process. And then once they have the CUP then they can do more events and larger events.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:52:33

So technically, that would be another option you could extend after the five year if there's no complaints. They've already done this whole CEQA process again. You could actually extend the length of a CUP so they're not continually coming back and renewing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:52:49

That's one of the recommendations we have. So it's currently 5 and 10 I think you heard from me. And

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:52:54

your recommendation was 15?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:52:56

15 and 20, but there's no I mean it could be longer 15 and 20 or 25 or forget what the next

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:53:03

that might encourage those that aren't going through the process to maybe Go through the I'm just trying to find a way for people to be more incentivized The fact that we only have 17 But yet I know of a few That are not probably on that list. And I'm curious to ask and I I know Supervisor Lavear has a question, but How do you have any idea how many other? I'm not going to quote you, but it would be interesting to know what you think the number really is.

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PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:53:35

You don't have to quote me. I'm on the record. Yeah. Yeah, you're retiring so yeah, you're safe and so it fluctuates but we somewhere between thirty five and forty five

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.592:53:47

thirty five okay

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.722:53:54

Supervisor LaVere.

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.942:53:56

Thank you Madam Chair CEQA is only required if you have it, if you require a CUP right? And that's where CEQAs comes into play when you require a CUP.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:54:06

Yeah I would think and Tiffany may chime in on this but for temporary use permit those

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.942:54:13

are exempt. For a temporary permit would that require CEQAS as well?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:54:16

Probably not. It's the criteria, the threshold is a discretionary planning permit. If it's a ministerial planning permit then it's statutorily exempt from CEQA. There are certain limitations with that but I don't think in any of the places we've talked to that have TUPs that they're doing a CEQAs process for that.

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.822:54:37

Yeah so if I can add a little background to that. Yes, so CEQA applies to discretionary projects so any type of permit that the planning is going to be giving that requires some element of discretion as to whether or not it gets issued. A lot of places for a temporary use permit like using my experience in Riverside it's a ministerial permit so it's clearly a check the box have they submitted a security plan? Have they It's routed it through share for a safety plan or something like that. They do that they get the permit So it doesn't require a CEQA evaluation,

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.942:55:11

okay Well, that's a whole other can of worms about making many more things ministerial. But I guess my last question is it did I read the board letter correctly and that it seems like we're not getting a lot of noise based or neighbor based complaints that really the complaints were getting revolve around unfair competition? Did I read that right?

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:55:33

I would say that's accurate, but to what degree? I couldn't tell you the percentage. But yes, I would say the majority of the folks that report the venues to us are CUP holders who justifiably so keep their finger on that pulse on the Internet when one pops up. And I will say that much like with our temporary rental unit program or Airbnb program where We have a service that scrubs the Internet to find these locations and lets us know and then they.

that have opened an Airbnb without your permits. That company could do the same thing with event venues, they can scrub the internet and find those and give us an opportunity to reach out there to those we know most of them I think but just if somebody new pops up or some new ad pops up that would be the way that we would know oh here's another potential commercial venue that needs to be either with a TUP or start self-registering whatever that comes back as and what you approve in the future When I'm not here, would be a way to find that out and have a meeting and just start a conversation with them about why and what needs to happen.

And I'm

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ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:56:51

sure well in to add on to that I understand the self registration. I get it but my concern is public safety and making sure that their facilities, making sure people are staying on the property that they're safe and so I think it Because I want them to check the box, you know maybe it's their first event. They didn't know they need six bathrooms and they only have one and you have to go in the house and it was way far away or something. In a sink.

Okay so we didn't expect that. That's a whole other investigation

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:57:32

and inspection.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:57:34

But you know I got married at my mom's house You had to have all these checks and balances. So I get that, and I think we need that because a lot of times someone could go through it TUP and go, oh hell no! I'm not going to do it again or say yes, I want to go through this process maybe. I want to make it a business. We have successful businesses that have CUPs that are doing wonderful things so how do we make it safe for constituents. That's really what I want to make sure because whoever goes to whatever event, I want them safe and so that's why I ask the county of Riverside has done some stuff he mentioned slow. I'm looking at ag counties like Fresno like Central they have a medium of urban and suburban their rule and how can we make this work for everybody is really what I'm looking for And so I'm just had to say that.

To those

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated2:58:34

points that you raised about what do other counties do? I said, I did reach out. I didn't get a lot of responses. I got some the majority of them have a TUP process most of which is ministerial for those folks who don't And so I would say in that you are able to check the box you're able You can't park along this because this is going to be our only means of egress and ingress to check those public safety boxes. Because although I get accused a lot of just being out there to find people to make money for the county, our number one goal is life health safety that's why we're here. And so to get that and then with that ministerial TUP as it was indicated one of those would be they agree to allow a county employee staff A planner, a code enforcement officer whoever on the property to make sure that they're adhering to what the public safety rules that were put on their TUP.

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ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.892:59:46

Right and when I say that I'm not saying examine the whole property. I just got to clear that one out. I'm saying where the event is going to be and where people are having access to it I think is really important.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:00:05

Your last question. You can ask all the questions you want.

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:00:08

And we're talking about CUPs or temporary use permits to your knowledge, is there any county that has just said here are the uniform operational standards? That life safety standards and here's the rules have at it.

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:00:28

No I'm not saying there's not one out there but I'm

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:00:34

I don't think the answer is adding more bureaucracy. I think the answer is to get equal competition is to add less bureaucracy and just say here are the standard rules that everybody has to apply with have our county council, have our fire department sheriffs so we're really hitting the life safety issues because that is important but just have uniform rules in and here they are

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:00:53

We have uniform rules now. If you want to go through

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:00:58

a CUP

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:00:58

and not spend $100,000. I'm saying on those that are exempt as it is now the problem with that for us is that I could see is okay here's the rules abide by them again now I don't have and justifiably so I don't have a reason or permission to go on there to verify that you're actually adhering to those rules So a TUP would allow somebody to do that in a relatively short manner, have those events but also agree that yes you can come on my property and verify that I'm doing what I say I'm going to do.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:01:29

Well, yeah and in my limited capacity looking Google chat GDP. You can put in and say okay what counties have ordinances for outside events? And so forth and there's information out there so that's why I'm hoping that we can take some and really look through what theirs are and see what we are

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.823:01:50

Supervisor if I may just add to the conversation part of the challenge of having just Universal standards is that a lot of these the property is going to be unique the property specific or it's in a specific zone What are the uses around that property and whether or not they're compatible? I'm not saying that you couldn't do a certain type of operating standards development standards in this type of zone versus that type of zone, but To have something be blanket across the county, then the concern is what is the unanticipated consequences of that? Of opening it up. So it is something that if your board is wanting to go that route being the conservative County Council, it might be something we'd have to look at a bit. We'd have to look at it more closely too because then what is that doing to other types of uses in those zones?

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:02:37

Yeah I'm just looking at it. It seems like the concern is not neighbor based, it's unfair competition. So how do we even out the playing field and put everybody on the same? Everybody has the same rules to abide by. It's the same playing field because it seems like that's where the issue is and maybe it's uniform standards across different zone types. And again I know that it's not as easy as it sounds because we need our obviously a lot of input from fire and police and code enforcement on how that would look but I guess at the end of the day, I think the answer here is less bureaucracy not more bureaucracy.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:03:18

I agree with that statement just trying to figure out how to get there where it's...I just want it to not be as expensive. I'd like to extend the CEP out further about maybe 20 years That's one way to make it more fair, but also to be able to encourage those that don't have a CUP that should have a CUP to get one. So is there a way to get there? I don't know how to do it. That's your job.

You're retiring, but you still have time to work on it. That that would be I can imagine that I know what you're trying to do and I like it. I just don't know because our county so different topography and everything else and we have water red blue red and blue lines that run through it that would it's it gets very interesting.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:04:12

I was just going to say that under all the concepts advanced and discussed and deliberated today they all require more enforcement whether it's having you know. No necessarily a CUP, but just universal standards or stronger language around temporary use permits. They all require more enforcement so I think it would be very helpful to hear back in this deliberation on policy personnel and capability on enforcement too. So thank you.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:04:42

Chair, I have a question. Speaking of enforcement and you sort of mentioned it Mr. Leeper and I think Mr. Mullane on the fines and penalties so can you elaborate on what the current penalties were to those apply? And is that a tool that can be used to incentivize

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:05:01

One of the things that I found in other jurisdictions is they had a separate fine schedule for violations of outdoor events or Airbnbs because the traditional fine schedule some homeowner with an overhyped fence it gets a $50 fine. It's not applicable to somebody who has this huge business or relatively large business, it's making a lot of money and so our fine schedule right now are civil administrative penalties is the only thing we can use And we have to confirm a violation and then we have to confirm that they didn't remedy that violation. And so this is a transient violation if they have an event on Saturday, and we know about it on Monday, and we go out there's no violation.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:05:38

And is that sorry? Is that penalty only for someone who holds a CEP? Is there a

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:05:43

difference? I'm going to go ahead and open it up for questions. But again, it's a transient violation. So we need a system that says OK you've had these you're now in violation if you have another one it's going to be this much of a fine and many of the jurisdictions that I didn't just Google I actually reached out to code enforcement officers in those counties tell me what's working for you what are you doing that's working what's not working and many of those counties do have not just for the event venues but also for for unpermitted vacation rentals A separate fine schedule that's 2, 5, 10 even $15,000 because of the amount of money that's at stake. We issue them a 25 or 50 dollar fine.

They actually they shrug their shoulders and keep moving right? And so yes we need to incentivize coming in because it's the right thing to do and it's safer and it's easier And by the way, if you don't there's going to be some consequence to you that is going to hit your bottom line that we want to encourage you. Fines are to encourage you to come in and do the right thing so okay

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ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:07:04

yeah I think that would be something worth exploring and as part of this process because uh yeah here are the concerns with self-registration if if there's what does

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PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:07:20

And a violation of the self-registration ordinance could involve a $1,000, $2,000 or $5,000 fine escalating as far as they continue to violate. That's one of the things in our civil administrative penalties we look at what is the violation? What health you know what's reasonable to start with then can we up that violation because folks you're not going to believe this but folks lie to me and ignore me I know right And so we try to be nice, we try to educate. We give opportunity to comply without fines and penalties but then when that happens, we do issue those fines and penalties and if they continue to ignore us or violate, we can raise those penalties.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:07:56

And I think, I mean even as you mentioned earlier the difference between a TUP and a CUP and the advertising right that being something that is very visible. When I met with some of the representatives from the venues they showed me a website that looked It looked amazing, and they don't have a CUP. So if there is evidence out there that can help transition those to come into compliance with the CUP or a TUP then looking at

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:08:27

those... And if that would be the tipping point, if the board decided that the tipping point is if you are in fact advertising this for compensation that makes you commercial then that's how we could address it and focus because the truth is if they don' advertise People aren't just going to drive up and knock on their door right now. They may have friends to come over and have a wedding or a bar mitzvah or some type of celebration. Great, that's what we all do but we don't turn our properties into a commercial venue every weekend for 100 200 300 people.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:08:57

Yes

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:08:58

thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:08:59

And on advertising, I think I just recently learned that we did send out enforcement notices and then found out just recently that we had to retract them because of some legal consequences. Notice is that one out so it would be good to better understand how. We can avoid that in the future while also possibly looking at advertisement bans or restrictions and balance set all out so thank you.

The only other thing I'll add this for wrapping up as Mister Lieber

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.593:09:40

soft some public

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:09:41

that's right I was going to congratulate Mister Lebron his retirement wait

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.593:09:46

You can do it

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:09:46

twice.

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:09:49

It's my second retirement.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:09:52

Thank you, I'm sure we'll be pulling you back maybe. We have some public speakers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:09:59

We currently have four speakers. Our first speaker is going to be Jennifer followed by Jacqueline Carrillo and Louise Lampara

CommentJen MaraviaProposedself-stated3:10:20

Hello board, it's nice to see you again. My name is Jen Maravia of Maravia Gardens and so excited to get here because we are like sitting on our hands over there. For nearly three years now eight venues have been working on both to explain and solve the problems created by a poorly constructed ordinance In early December of 2023 we came to Supervisor Gorel with a list of possible solutions. We asked to be seen as consultants simply because we live, sleep, eat and breathe the CUP. We know why it works. We know why it doesn't work.

For the first time from the first time we read the revised C.U.P.. We knew it was made for disaster for any county that cares about land use public safety compatibility with community and has respect I'm so excited to be here today. I want to start by saying thank you to all of our members who have been faithful to pay the bills and follow the rules. To put it frankly, considering the extensive and consistent effort we have put into this issue over years with nothing to show for it unfortunately feel the county has punched us in the face over and over again. The COP I consider it a contract with the county and Last night I added up the total numbers of years that eight venues in our group have maintained a CUP. I don't know if you can guess how many years, if you count each individual venue and each individual year over the past 25 years.

I was surprised to find out it added up to 150 hours of us following those rules. and collectively. And so that's a collective 150 years of experience we have to offer. That's a collective 150 years we have hosted visitors from all over California, the United States in the world. We pull business into Ventura County from across the globe. We are a face of agritourism as a director of the MRA said to us himself you were all doing everything the right way.

And while there are 17 permitted venues, like you said, we have a list of 44 right now that are non-permitted. It's an error to say it's about competition. It's really not. It is about safety. We work and think all the time about safety and taking care of people when they're having a good time isn't easy. And it takes a lot of work and a lot of planning. And we've gotten to be professionals at it.

So, we really don't want non-permitted venues to close. We want them to have access to appropriate and reasonable permits as well as self registration. There should be options out there that can help people want to do these safety issues that are so important. But in order to share all of this info with you, I mean as you were talking we're like oh. Thank you Jennifer.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:13:31

You've used your three minutes thank you. Is my time up? Yes okay our next speaker is going to be Jacqueline Carrillo followed by Louise Lampara and Maureen McGuire

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CommentJacqueline CarrilloProposedself-stated3:13:44

Hi, my name is Jacqueline Carrillo. I am a permitted wedding venue. I can host 35 weddings per year. My inspection is tomorrow. I can host 35 a year unlimited under 75 sounds quite honestly fantastic the no government regulations whatsoever here in Ventura County we're all contending against properties that can openly advertise host weddings collect compensation and do so without a CUP I've started researching the other counties in California of the 58 counties in California, ours is the only county that allows compensation with no permit whatsoever. The majority of counties have temporary use permits all of these have things like time restrictions decibel levels security license bartending sanitation guest count parking traffic Another thing that I've noticed in the temporary use permits is they have indemnification for the county.

They require proof of special event insurance. Many here are many of the counties also have advertising bans similar to ours. San Luis Obispo's works very well. The thing about compensation is if you are charging money, you are a business it is a commercial operation that very well could be the tipping point for when you need a CUP So that's why today we're urging you to support the study session. We need an opportunity for this board to see a full picture, hear from staff industry community members and ways solutions that bring Ventura County back in line with the other 57 counties.

Let's craft a policy that is fair by holding everyone at the same standard safe for the community by ensuring events meet fire traffic and sanitation requirements and is consistent with the rest of California Ventura County deserves clear enforceable rules that protect couples, neighbors and venues that do things the right way. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:15:39

Thank you for your comment. Our next speaker is going to be Louise Lampara followed by Maureen McGuire.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:15:51

Good morning, Louise Lampera of Ventura County CoLab. I am also suffering some whiplash because what was in the staff report versus the discussion from the staff that you heard today are not aligned. The staff report very clearly states that nuisance complaints public safety complaints are rare And suddenly here today, we hear that there are 35 violators and we hear that code enforcement has a list of properties that they're just waiting to find out from the registry when to show up.

I'm horrified, I'm horrified and no, I am not going off my prepared comments because I'm These property owners, you know them. They are farmers. They are your supporters. They have generously donated their properties to assist you, to assist this county. And yet today in staff's presentation and in this discussion to me it feels like they are being painted as perpetual violators.

And that information is not in the staff report if there is evidence that there is a perpetual violations then please provide it because I talked to many of these property owners and they are falling within the exemptions I do want to just circle back to my prepared comments. The way we fix this, the way we address whether it's fair what those CUP holders had to go through and what they're continuing to have to go through is by fixing the CUP process itself Other counties can do this without taking multiple years, without it being $100,000, $150,000 I heard one of them say.

We can find a better way. Colab and Farm Bureau submitted some language for you to consider to really make the renewal process much simpler 15 days or less Let's look at solving the problem that way rather than assuming that the people that you know, that I know are out there having a free for all. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:18:34

Thank you for your comment. Our next speaker is going to be Maureen McGuire.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:18:40

Hi, thank you Chair Parvin and the rest of the board for the opportunity to speak with you on this topic today. First I wanted to just respond to something I noticed in the PowerPoint is that the events start at zero people so if you could imagine going through this whole process there's a drone above you know code enforcement they're taking pictures and like no one shows up so I just thought that was funny to lighten the mood But one of the things I just wanted to bring to your attention is just to, I hope you'll direct staff to be very careful and how they put together their recommendations and what you ultimately adopt because having a party at the ranch is just super normal.

For example, I was a commercial farmer for many years and I might have a supervisor Or a farm, you know, employee that's been with me for a long time who wants to have a quinceanera or wants to have an 80th birthday party and they kick in $1,000 bucks to help my cost of cleaning up the property. Or making it available to them now suddenly I'm required to have all of these extra things like the result of that is just say no. And now these places that are part of our community that help build our cultural idea about being an ag community go away. And I think we should really try to avoid that as an outcome and I wanted to also elevate that, I think we all recognize that farmers who are interested in using their property for more commercial events, not just having a quinceanera once in awhile are in the situation where they need multiple sources of income.

And you have adopted the Resilient Ag Land Initiative a few years ago. RMA is in the process of working on ag tourism in their work plan right now You have resources like Apache, Ag Commissioner and tons of stakeholders that want to work with you on this process. So I would just encourage you rather than being reactive and trying to put something in now like let's build a common vision of what agricultural looks like in Ventura County and it often what we hear is the public wants more access Not less. So I would just encourage you all to take a step back and look at what you already have going on. You have a contract right now with Cooperative Extension for rural urban interface issues, specifically ag tourism and regional food where some of this work could be talked about.

You have Apache, you have the Ag Roundtable, you've all the work going into the rally and I think it's an opportunity to build something very robust that could address those competition issues instead of having it be driven by code enforcement, have it be driven by the people working to build that agricultural sustainability vision for Ventura County. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:21:48

Thank you for your comment. Chair Parvin, that concludes a public comment for this item. Thank you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:21:52

Thank you. Well, we gave a whole lot of direction but it's all over the place. Yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:22:02

May I? Madam Chair? Yes. Oh, I do support the dialogue about making CUPs easier, streamlining that current law Rewarding current CUP owners who have been compliant with extensions, anything we can do to make this more customer friendly. Exclamation mark. I do think that there are bad actors and I do know them, and I do know them. And I know one woman in her now late husband built all kinds of structures on their property and knew that they were supposed to be permitted. They built a little church that was never authorized, was never permitted, that no one knows is structurally sound.

And they hold massive events on that property and now are going through remediation process to make amends for the years of operating as an unlicensed venue center and now wanting to become a authorized CUP holder. The process is going to be long and laborious, these structures haven't been vetted, the property itself needs to be examined and Mr. Leeper's doing a lot of work to bring them into compliance. But there are bad actors out there and we do know where they are and what they're doing, and for various reasons I suspect have decided just not to seek out a CUP. And we need to change that. We need to fix this so that it doesn't appear a burden or a hurdle too high to achieve and that it is not worth trying to circumvent the law rather than to abide by it because of the laborious, lengthy, inexpensive process that the CUP process is.

So I guess I kind of agree with everybody in this and I just wanted to share that based on some of the feedback. Thanks.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.593:24:12

And supervisor live there.

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:24:14

Thank you madam chair and you know I was looking at all the screens and the charts that Mister Lieber put up and if I'm Mister Lieper part of his code enforcement team, I mean. I mean, my head was spinning just looking at this acres. You get this number of events or this number of guests or if you're this acres that it's just so convoluted and I don't know how in the world you enforce that. You try your best

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:24:36

as best we can. Yeah.

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:24:38

So to me, if we need personally, I don' see a role for CUPs in this process maybe temporary use permits. I just think it's not fair to make people given the fact that only a fraction of our operators are actually going through the process That's unfair to them the time and the cost that they spend trying to come into compliance when most of the operators aren't.

I think we, I just don't see the need for CUPs here given how difficult they are and if there's a path through temporary use permits but let's say we go to temporary use permits and I'm Ms. Carrillo and I have does she have to come back 35 times? And get 35 different permits?

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:25:18

Most temporary use permits are single-use yeah

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:25:23

so again And our chair made some good comments. In my perfect world, we just have uniform operational standards and guidelines that everybody complies with. As I think about it, that does seem very challenging given the diversity of properties that we're considering. But maybe there's a happy medium somewhere far short of CUPs but somewhere in that realm Temporary use permits or maybe is it even possible to have a temporary use permit that extends beyond one event if it's the same property, same rules.

Is it called a kind

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:26:04

of temporary?

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:26:04

Kind of temporary.

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:26:05

Less than temporary. Yeah less than temporary.

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:26:09

I just don't see how we call it a CUP and provide any kind of assurance that it's going to be easy and quick and inexpensive. And so I just don't think it's fair to make anybody go through that process. And so, again, I'm not giving you very good feedback and direction right now. And I apologize for that. But yeah, I just as we approach this, I hope there's we can approach it from from the mindset of how do we make this simple?

Fair across the board because I absolutely understand the unfair competition arguments. My heart really goes out to people that are trying to do it the right way and they're being penalized and that's not fair. And so how do we even the playing field? Keep safety standards, keep life safety standards that everyone has to comply with but just make the process simpler for everyone.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:26:58

So based on your board letter receive and file this process and also provide direction you gave us four bullet points one to improve the compliance try this self-registration form you can fill it out or not fill it out for 76 people or more But then you also state use an alternative means to regulate non-CUP outdoor events through like a temporary use permit, to establish specific fines for initial or subsequent violations for outdoor events and revisions to the CUP terms for CUP holders to extend term for renewal. I've also heard to look into the CUP for shortening the time to get one Because we should be able to get it within a year.

And also, what is the cost of that renewal? So if you are a good patron and you have five years do you have to spend $150,000 again to get that renewal or not? That is the question but I think what I'm hearing is that with looking into this temporary use permit and the CUP We've we are also asking to look at other counties and how they do that. So when we do talk this again, that we can review those points. And I'm also hearing that we need to be engaging our stakeholders on this, our ag, our planning commission, those that have CUPs learned How to do things so that we can get to this point of a better process.

And, and so that's what I'm hearing and then what was the other one? The other one was length time duration you're doing duration of permits Oh, and then the inspections. So is it if they've done inspections once year and everything's been great. It's kind of like certain health exams. You go one, you're good so you don't have to have another one for a couple years.

Gotta have a chuckle there come on. Something like that I think we need to look out of the box We don't want to put our farmers out and we want them to have a Kinciara or a wedding for someone, but we want everybody safe. And so I think that's staff recommendation based on your board letter and including the comments that our board has made as to the process of how we get there, I think is really an important one for us to do. But I'd like to ask all of you what Have you heard our guidance to move forward to get that motion or do you need more information?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:29:56

I think what I've heard from the board is there's not support for the self-registration form. I didn't hear anybody say, hey that's the best idea I've ever heard. That's correct. Since day one on the job, I've identified or I've understood that our discretionary planning permit processes are Extremely time consuming and costly, and I want to continue to do what I can to simplify those. But I hear it even louder and clearer on these event outdoor events. CUP is that we need to create incentives for people to go into the CUP process that are doing multiple events per year So they don't have to do 36 TUP applications during the year.

And then for and then we need to step up our enforcement on the folks that are continuing to, to the bad actors and I don't think we want it and maybe I'm not sure if I should go there but, but I don't think it's a safe assumption that all those 44 other event venues in the county are bad actors. I don't think anybody is...I hope nobody is saying that. You're

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.593:31:05

right. Thank you for that clarification.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:31:08

100%. So there's a few. And that should be where we're focusing our enforcement. So, yes extending out CUP terms increasing fines for folks that are violating this maybe it's beyond even what we have in mind now so there's a real disincentive for folks to operate without a CUP and then yeah I think most of the counties we looked at they allow people to have events and look at safety regulations with a temporary use permit and they keep that ministerial they keep it out of CEQA I think what I heard from the majority of the board is that Yeah, there should be a path for the CEPs but we need to incentivize that path by making it easier.

Maybe reduce the frequency of inspections if they're you know, it doesn't have to be every year all most rather see apes are every 3 years. Maybe it's in line with that.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:32:25

Do you charge for inspections? I'm just curious.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:32:27

Yeah, it's staff time cost. It's not it's not a flat fee.

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:32:32

And in many ways it's not staffs fault the type the time and expense because it's it's sequa it's its cups require sequel and that's the environmental reports and the biological reports and the traffic studies and that's they legally have to require that stuff And that's where a lot of the time and expense comes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:32:47

Yes, and it's these are these are challenging sites they're out in the in the areas of the county where there happens to be more environmental resources maybe more constraints slopes things of that nature while then fires all those things that complicate the process and I mean I could tell you hey we're going to look for exemptions for these Wonderful for the CEP holders but now the public hearing process, the neighbors that may want to challenge that they're going to say well wait a minute there's why is this not getting a you know why are we not doing a CEQA document here and so some of the CEQAs requirements is also to respond to neighbors and make sure that they don't have a path to precluding somebody from getting a CEP. So it's I think the Overall structure that I'm hearing from the majority of the board is something that we want to explore.

But, you know almost everybody that we've talked to has a CUP process for folks that are doing these regular events and that's just consistent with not just outdoor events consistent with any sort of land use entitlement where you're doing something regularly on your property and then there's a TUP process for folks that are doing occasional events and may not be you know And I think where we can, we can further look into this is okay well do some of those events get to charge? Is there a limit on that at what point do they get directed into the CEP process and there's certainly a lot to learn from other jurisdictions where it's working well.

But it's we have, we do have a unique ordinance for outdoor events in Ventura County. And I think there's opportunities to really improve upon that and level the playing field and look at fire And life safety issues more, more universally.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:34:46

Well and I would like to also ask the longevity of even the initial CUP shouldn't just be five years? Yeah. I feel you've just spent yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:34:56

I agree I heard that as well and I made a note that you know because if it takes let's say we get better it takes eight months right but then they only have five years that's a lot of investment for for a five-year duration. And the hope is that they would be able to renew that for a much longer period, and I absolutely believe that we can simplify the renewal process and that it... We can really, really streamline that because they've been operating. They have, and they've done those studies. They've done a CEQA document so it shouldn't have to take months and months and months to get a renewal. It could be, I think somebody suggested a matter of days.

It's in the other possible component there and I'll give this more thought is. The CEP is not just the initial, let's call it a 10 year term. You have your permit for an initial 10 year term and then you get to renew. Assuming everything's going well. And so then the initial permits not just for 10 years, it's 10 years with a check in at least its staff are we having issues? Do we need to schedule a hearing to renew or have they abided by their conditions and maybe it's an automatic renewal?

So that would be a huge benefit and an incentive for the folks to enter into. Don't have it yet because they're hearing it from the and they've observed what's happened to the folks that are gone, the 17 operations that have gone through the process. And it's so timely and so expensive. And now they have to go back through it again four years later. I mean

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:36:32

well. And I also mentioned where the event is versus the whole property

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:36:40

That's right.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:36:41

Yeah, something else that I want us to look into

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:36:44

the in my experience the temporary use permits look at the event and the specifics of that event if it's a CEP for the It's tougher when you have a discretionary planning permit for CPU You often do need to look at the entirety of the site But if its temporary use permitted, it should be more specific to what's happening

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:37:04

But it could be a step to get into the CUPs if that's what they want to do in the future. It starts that process and makes sure people are safe.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:37:12

Yes, yes.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:37:13

So that's what I would motion and if there is anything else any of our supervisors wants to add into it? What have you got? I think we've given you a

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:37:21

lot of ideas right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:37:24

And we've learned since the production of the staff report, or the board letter rather. We've learned some things through just preparing for this meeting and having conversations with other agencies and other jurisdictions. And farmers? Yeah.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:37:42

Because I always come back to that line that was in your staff report that said that neighbor generated reports of violations are relatively rare. That's a really key sentence in the several pages of the documentation it just stood out so we really don't have that many. Complaints on how it's going. So I think that's important and also kind

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:38:06

of note that

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:38:08

yes,

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:38:08

a lot some of that has to do with the fact that they are remote and they don't have neighbors right by them. Right? So I'm not trying to justify that but then you

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:38:16

also have those people that are taking photos of these events that are fake I've seen some of those if you want to see when I could send it to you, but they're not real.

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:38:28

And that's why when people send me photos and I say did you take that are you willing to testify to that a lot of times they'll say no thank you. That's why I don't take them we take them we put them in the file but we can't use them. AI

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:38:39

can make it look really real even when it's not so.

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:38:42

You should see how young I look on my face. One

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:38:47

more thing You know, as we're exploring this another thing if you can maybe explore it is I don't think Miss North correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think temporary is defined as one day No, let's be as flexible maybe temporaries one year. Maybe so somebody doesn't have to come back 35 times a year. I mean just try to be as creative as possible.

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.823:39:09

I think it would we can look into that you know what it is though it's usually you're focused on what is that event if the event is a multi-day event it would be evaluated under that permit but but to say it's a year I The number of days that they do it during that year what are the impacts and in the surrounding area. I think it all needs to be considered but that's definitely something that can be looked into so some of some of my concern is like I said what are the unanticipated consequences of drafting a new ordinance that has more flexibility that we then don't know and then we're trying to regulate or enforce later because it didn't it didn't have the teeth

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:39:53

Mm hmm.

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.823:39:57

If I may in hearing we would

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:39:59

love your help

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.823:40:00

discussion. Yes, I will say I'm going to because this item today is just really a discussion item to give feedback. I don't think it's necessary to have a really lengthy motion on it because any ordinance they're going to have to report back to you again. I imagine they'll come back to before any ordinances drafted but any ordinance is going to have to be fully vetted at the Planning Commission and the board after that so I would recommend that the motion would be to receive and file the information regarding enforcement of the county's outdoor events ordinance and provided provided verbal direction to staff. I will say though, I do think it's important to recognize that the bullet point regarding registration that the board was not supportive of that so that should not be pursued further but the other topics that have been discussed today with the board as far as streamlining extending the terms I would do that motion as amended.

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ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:41:15

So I don't have to say that again.

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.823:41:18

It's all on recording.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role3:41:20

All right, Item 33 motion to receive a file and direct as discussed move by Supervisor Long seconded by Supervisor Gorrell please vote and that passes unanimously thank you.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.893:41:32

Thank you very much is a really good discussion. Thank you

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:41:35

I these are kind of enjoyable because you have to really kind of ponder back and go right and left as

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:41:41

you put

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:41:41

it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:41:41

down Mister Lane, I'd like you to incorporate Mister leapers recommendation that the ordinance strike the word reference to fines. And now use or lepers instead of fine can be both and all the things

PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:41:55

I want to

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:42:01

But tongue in cheek, obviously. But I just do want to say thank you for your years and years and years of service and particularly your camaraderie with me and my team on my staff trying to navigate this and all kinds of issues. And I just it's difficult being a code enforcement person. They're usually not the most liked person in government. However, I've never heard a negative word uttered about you, Mr. Lieber, only positive things.

You're a great public servant and we're going to miss you here at the county. Thank you

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:42:27

very

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:42:28

much. And excited to

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.943:42:29

see where this next career I would just like to say.

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PresenterDoug LeeperCounty of Ventura and I'm happy to be bringing this This issue before yProposedself-stated3:42:44

Thank you and your predecessors. It's been an honor and a privilege to serve not only you but the rest of the staff throughout the county, and more importantly, the business owners and residents of the County of Ventura. It has been an eventful eight-and-a-half years out of the 41 I have been doing this, but I leave with my head held high knowing that I made a lot of friends, not all of them, and I did some good here. And I look forward to watching that continue on in my absence.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:43:13

Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:43:14

you all thanks for taking so much time on this issue.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:43:17

Do you mean that? All right well with that it would be probably appropriate to go into closed session right now

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.823:43:27

yes we could go into closed session before your one o'clock items so we'll go into closed session as indicated on the agenda items 41 through 45 there will be no announcements today thank you and then we'll come back for your 1 o'clock

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.723:43:40

all right thank you

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UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role4:48:42

Testing, testing. Interpreter microphone testing one two testing.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.725:23:10

Our next item is 1 p.m. time certain which we've definitely cleared that 34 first public hearing regarding the adoption of Ventura County Fire Protection District Ordinance number 34 repealing ordinances number 29 and 32 and adopting by reference with amendments the 2025 California fire code including appendix chapters D&P portions of the 2024 International Fire Code Portions of the 2025 California wildland urban interface code portions of the international wildland urban interface code and portions of title 19 of the California Code of Regulations. And with additions and deletions and amendments there too, an adoption of a resolution adopting the fire district's findings to support more restrictive building standards to be adopted under ordinance number 34 pursuant to the California health and safety code section 13869.7.

Boy,

Guestyour fire chief DustinFire MarshalProposedself-stated5:24:08

you summed that up perfectly.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.595:24:11

Can you repeat that?

Guestyour fire chief DustinFire MarshalProposedself-stated5:24:12

I said you summed that up. No, I mean this yes no good afternoon chair Parvin members of the board for the record your fire chief Dustin Gardner before i hand this off to the fire marshal to go over this i want to uh i want to i think it's set the code season off here with a little bit and really i think this is for the for the public's information and to reconfirm a couple things. And that's as we go through these code cycles, our board has made it super, super apparent as does Dr. Johnson on a very regular basis. We want to focus on public safety for those who live here, visit here work here and respond here. We want to protect our environment. We want to protect our agriculture and our economy infrastructure And we want to cut red tape.

We want to find ways to make things easier, to make things more efficient, to collaborate between other county agencies, to actually create a more building and developing friendly environment here in Ventura County and we've heard that and I want to reiterate that and I thought this was going to be an easy code cycle that we were bringing to you. I actually think I made a promise to the chair that this was going to be any easy code cycle because we were only bringing two things yet I forgot we were amending all the other amendments Combining the other amendments, getting rid of the other amendments and putting it all together. And that has caused some confusion, no doubt. And I looked through the list and I know the fire code is confused because I looked and went, oh my God, it looks like we're creating 14 new things.

And it caught the attention of some of our our area agencies. It caught your attention. It got our attention. It caught Dr. Johnson's attention rightfully so. And I want to in the fire marshal is going to hit on it, but I want to reiterate that those changes have been in place for decades. But because we're opening the code and amending were making we're asking to make two changes to this public hearing.

We had to include all of it and it goes all the way back to basically the beginning of time with this code which some of those things have been here since the 80's so I apologize for the confusion Miss leading you to thinking this was going to be easy and only two things that is only two substantive changes, but there are there's a lot to it. So the bar Marshall is going to go over that I just wanted to touch and reiterate that we are focusing on those priorities and we will continue to as we go through this and you have a commitment from us and my staff that we will continue to work with all of our developers our landholders our public our city and all of you to find ways to make this better then with that I'm gonna hand it off to Joe

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:26:44

Good afternoon Chair Parvin, members of the board. Some of this will be slightly repetitive but I'm here today for the first public hearing regarding the adoption of ordinance number 34. Part of the process of this adoption is repealing existing ordinances and then replacing them with this new ordinance Every three years the California Fire Code is required to be adopted by local ordinance and that's an opportunity to make local amendments with findings that are either climatic, geographic or topographic justifying those local amendments.

As the chief mentioned, some of these amendments have been in the code going back to the 1980s. There are two that I do want to highlight for you but before I get into that also the reason why this ordinance looks a bit larger than it is California adopted the International WUI Code for the first time. I think California was the first state to adopt it and because of that adoption that is a code that we're also I'm going to go through a couple of the amendments that we're currently. Adopting it makes it quite lengthy even having a minor amendment to that.

to this code adoption cycle that are of some significance. The first one, it relates to the timing and documentation of inspections that have been required since 2021. In 2020 there was a law passed Assembly Bill 38 requiring inspections of properties during real estate transaction So we have been doing those inspections since that time. There is a requirement for the fire department to do an inspection during that transaction and approximately half of the real estate transactions have been actually coming to us for the inspections, and we estimate that the other half which is about $1,000 per year essentially been a disclosure between the buyer and seller without the fire department knowing about it. And so this one of these amendments would allow us to be aware of when that transaction is taking place, so we can do our required inspection.

The other amendment is actually this one is kind of rare because very rarely do you have an amendment where you can ease up on the code normally you have to. I have more restrictive standards to adopt any local amendments, you can't be less restrictive than state law but this one allows us to have some flexibility and room to make decisions on our own amendments it's a It pertains to fire access roads.

And this amendment allows a deviation from secondary access requirements for properties in certain areas of the county, essentially what it does is it allows us to be more flexible on alternate. So those are the two primary changes to this ordinance that are different from 3 years ago And with that, I'm available to answer any questions. And I know we have some public comments as well.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.725:30:17

What year did you say that the inspections were approved by the state?

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:30:23

That was in 2020 Assembly Bill 38 was passed into law.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.725:30:28

So it was already a law? It was already a

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:30:30

law.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.725:30:31

But it's being circumvented and that's why I think that's what you're trying to achieve

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:30:37

Right, what that law requires is the fire department to do an inspection during the transaction of a real estate transaction in a higher very high fire hazard area. So what we found is that about half the county was calling in for inspections. The other half was having the buyer sign a statement saying they would call the fire department for the required inspection and we wouldn't know about it and we would never get So what happens if they fail the inspection. They have to do improvements by a certain period of time.

They do have to do improvements within a certain period of time. It would fall into our normal process of code compliance at that point. So you're not,

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.725:31:27

you don't go back? Somebody

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:31:28

else

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.725:31:28

from code compliance comes

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:31:30

back? We would go back but there is a provision that we have in place that if they don't make the corrections during their real estate transaction they have a certain amount of time after the transaction so it's not going to hold up their sale.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.895:31:50

I had a question on that also. So when they're saying the hazardous areas, is that what maps are we talking about?

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:31:58

So these follow the recently adopted Cal Fire maps, the areas that expanded a couple months ago or anything in the high and very high fire hazard area. So right now we currently have been doing about 1000 inspections per year of those that have called in And then based on sales data in the county, we think there's about 2,000 of these happening per year and we're not being notified for approximately half. So this would help us to address that.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.895:32:27

Okay, thank you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.725:32:32

Any other questions? If not, speakers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:32:36

Thank you Chair Farben. We currently have seven speakers for this item. Our first speaker will be Vaughn Nabedian. Followed by Nico and then Mark Maureen. Yes, please thank you.

PresenterVahagan Nahabedian I'mWood Clayson FoundationProposedself-stated5:32:58

Chair Parvin and honorable members of the board, thank you for the opportunity to speak on ordinance 34. My name is Vahagan Nahabedian I'm with Numeric Solutions representing the Wood Clayson Foundation. Unfortunately we strongly oppose the current draft as it fails to address agricultural interests and concerns. The proposed local amendments do not appear to have considered agricultural interests due process or local sources of wildfire in our community We request to return the ordinance to staff for additional review.

We're concerned that this draft ordinance continues to provide burdens and unobtainable requirements for agricultural operations, and urge the board to create agricultural carve outs so that it does not have a catastrophic impact on agricultural operators. We support the 12 carve-outs requested by COLAB and the Farm Bureau, and request an additional carve-out. Fire apparatus roads and base material to support a 20 ton vehicle is not feasible in ranch and farm settings particularly combined with all weather access road or most weather road requirements.

With regards to section 112.3, we request the number of board on the appeals raised to seven with one representing agriculture and one representing business. With regards to section 112.4 regarding the ultimate authority should reside with the Board of Supervisors so that they can address conflicting ordinances. We see the greatest and most immediate hazard in our region as wildfire as a direct result of illegal trespassing in camps.

Open flames, heating fires and deliberate acts of arson within these encampments create risk ignition risks of extraordinary magnitude. The Ventura River Corridor contains dense riparian vegetation and elevated shoe loads, which combined with restricted emergency access render the area highly susceptible to rapid wildfire spread. A single ignition event threatens public safety nearby communities and agricultural operations and sensitive habitat areas.

We request the establishment of a multi-jurisdictional task force comprised representatives from local law enforcement The City of Ventura, County of Ventura, Ventura County Fire Department. The Los Angeles Regional Water Control Board in consultation with affected property owners to remove illegal trespassers and campsites from private and public property along the Ventura River and conduct regular patrols to enforce regulations on unlawful disposal prohibitions on open burning and all other applicable regulations thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:35:41

Thank you for your comment, Hagan. Our next speaker is going to be Nico followed by Mark Maureen and Gary Ball.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed5:35:53

Hello everyone my name is Nico. My family has a ranch in Ventura County located what has been deemed a very high fire hazard severity zone Our cattle ranch is completely off grid and not tied into any municipal utilities. Ordinance 34 would require us to implement and maintain a water system equivalent to the Municipal Water District, that is not something that the water sources on our ranch can do.

My sisters and I grew up with dreams to build our own homes on our ranch someday. That will never be able to happen if this ordinance passes. We will never be able to build worker housing, outbuildings, barns or anything that would require a building permit. Our property and our rights to do anything with it will be taken from us because we will not be able to meet the absurd requirements that come with this ordinance.

Agricultural or rural properties simply cannot comply with urban fire standards and there is no language in this ordinance that recognizes and provides flexibility for that fact. With the regulations being so overburdensome and impossible to comply with, unless the county exempts off-grid cattle ranches from this ordinance or provides them with municipal water and power. As written we cannot meet standards to do developments improvements which will destroy the economic value of our property and will make it impossible to continue everyday operations. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:37:08

Thank You Nico. Our next speaker is going to be Mark Maureen followed by Gary Ball and Louise Lampara

PresenterDoug LeeperProposed · by introduction5:37:16

Hello to the board, thank you for this opportunity. I'm opposed to it as it stands right now. I sort of gonna mirror exactly what Mr. Guggero just said we're neighbors but I'd like to focus a little more on... I know in speaking to the chief who I have the utmost respect for and I trust there are appeals processes my problem with that if we don't codify this My problem with that is that's great today. We have a wonderful board, we have a great CEO and we have a fabulous fire chief and I'm not just saying that just to say it. I believe in that but what about 10 years from now? What about when you guys are gone when there's a different fire chief? And I reflect back on a situation I personally was involved with at the wildlife corridor and I met with the chief and I asked him a simple question The Wildlife Corridor restricts us clearing anything beyond 100 feet.

A hundred foot clearance is a requirement from the building and I asked Fire Chief, is 200 feet better from a firefighter perspective? And he said absolutely. And I said so would you support that a landowner or homeowner could clear more than 100 feet? He said absolutely and three days later he came into this board And said, the code says 100 feet I'm good with that.

He changed his story and I know why because the board members that were pushing that wildlife corridor made him change his story and that's why I bring this concern. I absolutely trust that we could go to an appeal board. I like the idea of some representation on that appeal board from ranchers and farmers But I don't trust what can happen in the future when everything changes. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:39:18

Thank you for your comment. Our next speaker is going to be Gary Ball, followed by Louise Lampara and Brianne Whitcomb.

CommentGary BallProposedself-stated5:39:27

Hello to the board. My name's Gary Ball. I'm a property owner also partner in Ag Land Services. We manage about 3300 acres in both Ventura County and Santa Barbara counties. About two thirds of it is here I manage two different water companies in the Fillmore area and I'm involved with another company, Fillmore Irrigation Company that's currently trying to get their wall approved so that they can issue well serve letters again.

My own experience with that process has been very difficult. My sons wanted to put a property, a pre-manufactured home on their property. It took over six years to get that done even though there had been an existing house on the property that was torn down and As a farmer, we're always trying to protect our property. So we have strategically put tanks and things on our property. We've also...

Our CEO of our company is from South Africa. He brought over an idea of a high pressure tank or system that uses high pressure and low volume that can go in the back of a pickup and we use them in gators. And it's much more mobile than what the fire department can do on these ag properties so We've successfully fought the Thomas fire, the Maria fire and the Mountain Fire.

And we saved properties. We did lose some property in the Thomas fire but it was only because we weren't allowed access to that one parcel. So my point being is is that I really think if we have some common sense And apply here that we can work through these problems, but we have to have that opportunity to be able to problem solve and not be tied by an ordinance that ties our hands and feet to where we can't use common sense.

And I know that if you're in a rural property, you're not in a water company. You can put tanks and draft hydrants in and that's acceptable. But in the case of my son, he was in a water district even though he had his own well they wouldn't give him a will serve letter because he was in that water company. So there was no exemption. So I'm just asking for some common sense that would be applied to this. I don't know how all that would look out, but I just think that having a few farmers on this advisory board would be helpful.

I think we've had a lot of experience. I've been doing this for 49 years so I've been through a lot of different fires myself and think that I can add something to the process. Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:42:11

Thank you for your comment, Gary. Our next speaker is going to be Louise Lampera followed by Brianne Whitcomb and Maureen McGuire.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed5:42:23

Good afternoon Louise Lampera Ventura County CoLab. California Fire Code sets baseline requirements for fire protection and fire safety. Local fire districts have authority under the Health and Safety Code to adopt amendments if they file findings of local conditions. Ventura County Fire appears to interpret this authority as allowing only more restrictive amendments, but other counties appear to interpret this ability differently.

Santa Barbara County in their fire ordinance has inserted an explicit exception into both the sprinkler and fire flow section of its fire code that states that this section shall not apply to any agricultural buildings codifying that barns sheds and other qualifying egg buildings do not need to meet either the urban hydrant fire flow and or sprinkler standards.

San Luis Obispo County recognizes irrigated crops, actively managed agriculture and grazing as compliant defensible space which means that it's allowed even within the vegetation management zone without removal. And they also allow alternative water supplies such as tank, stock ponds, irrigation water storage, reservoirs and the like for Earl and Ag properties.

Monterey County like Santa Barbara explicitly provides Group U agricultural exemptions within its fire code for both fire flow and sprinkler systems. And similar to San Luis Obispo County also recognizes agriculture as compliant defensible space. Kern County provides additional flexibility for rural and agricultural parcels, including reducing road access widths for isolated properties and agricultural buildings and structures which recognizes that rural farm access cannot always meet urban fire road standards.

County fire does not include similar flexible language within the ordinance. I do have to say though that in conversations yesterday and again about an hour ago with the Fire Marshal, Fire Department does have some policies that have exemptions one of which the Fire Marshall himself just discovered So policy and code language are very different things. Regulations and ordinances require public meetings like this to allow for public engagement policies however can be adopted modified or gotten rid of at a whim without any public notification or public engagement and as we've seen sometimes get lost and aren't shared if it's not codified within the applicable ordinance itself So what we're asking for is that or what we're asking for is not impossible.

It's not difficult other counties do it and we ask the Ventura County consider the same thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:45:29

Thank you for your comment our next speaker is going to be Brianne Whitcomb followed by Maureen McGuire

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed5:45:37

Good afternoon, Chair Parvin and fellow members of the board. Brian Whitcomb, Ventura County CoLab. Just following up on some comments previously made we would also like to urge the Board to modify the appeals process as written Ordinance 34 prohibits Ventura County property owners from appealing beyond the Fire District's own Board of Appeals leaving citizens with no recourse to their elected Board of Supervisors This is not a requirement of state law, nothing in Title 24 requires this and it is not how other counties appear to handle appeals. Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Monterey and Kern Counties all maintain a pathway for property owners to take fire code disputes to their governing bodies.

Why does this matter as the board is aware there are sections in the county's own and CZO that restrict vegetation removal and management including requiring discretionary permitting for modifying vegetation in some areas. We asked to be CFP D if the county had completed internal coordination to address regulatory conflicts between the NC CEO and the fire code and if the county had reached a resolution as to which ordinance took precedence this work has not begun.

And until this conflict is resolved by the county many property owners will face a compliance catch 2022 And if property owners are not allowed to appeal to this governing body. How are you to provide the direction and leadership necessary to address these internal County conflicts. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed5:47:30

Thank you, Chair Parvin and the board for allowing me to address you on this issue today. So I just wanted to open with the fact that I think we all recognize that farms and ranches provide very important ecosystem services here in Ventura County so that includes things like producing food part of the view shed, open space to more tangible things like floodplains and infiltration for water in our basin.

But most relevant today is that they provide a very important wildfire buffer for urban areas. Farms and ranches at their own expense maintain vast amounts of land here in Ventura County, and if you remove the Las Posas Forest it's 57% of the land is actually managed by individual landowners here. So we know that working lands are safer for our communities. Those working lands that include grazing or irrigated lands are protective of where people live and provide a buffer to prevent the loss of life, you know, that we've seen.

We're going to talk a little bit about some of the things that we've been working on. And so AG is highly engaged in this issue. Everybody who farms is understanding the fire risks, putting together fire plans has maps staging areas they really care and have suffered under the impacts of these natural disasters. So Understanding that this is an important service that fire provides as well as a threat to the existential you know existence of these businesses in period. We need to help these farmers comply and also provide that service for our community.

So anything that you guys can do to carve out exemptions for ag and build partnerships between the ag operators and the firefighting community, and all of the different departments, and all those layers of regulations is going to be very important to making sure that the people who are literally on the front lines Thank you, Maureen. And Chair Parvin that concludes a public comment for this item. Thank you. Thank you. I'm not sure if FIRE wants to come back and maybe respond

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.725:50:30

or you don't have to just there are a number of different comments made it would be very helpful.

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:50:38

Sure, thank you Chair Parvin so a few of these items and I saw the public comments that came in as well and some of the comments were similar. So I'm going to address a few of them and I'm just going to share some information that for everyone who submitted those comments for their awareness And also if there's any more questions on it. So one of those items is regarding the appeals board I did want to share that in the last 20 years, the the appeals board has been used 3 times and there's no change with this code amendment we've had some place for several years. That isn't item can change as one of our one of our citizens stated that is something that can be changed that it is within the ability to make modifications including Who is on that appeals board.

There's no head count total you can actually add someone you can add yes, so that that is strictly up to local jurisdiction as far as that goes but the last time we used it was 10 years ago and it's not ordinarily a process that's needed so I did want to share that couple other things there are some requirements The ordinance where it points to a standard or there's language use that allows us to use policies.

And we do have exemptions for sprinkler buildings for AG up to 12,000 square feet with a couple other conditions in place. As far as the water availability, that one is more difficult to address. But there is minimum state law and requirements in the California Fire Code. I am glad to look into what Santa Barbara's doing and our surrounding counties to see how they're addressing that and definitely welcome any ideas on that. Glad to answer any other questions though.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.895:52:33

And along that line, I had a question because we have some other ordinances and stuff in the fire marshal has to come out for rebuilding. And I'm understanding if I was too in the high fire zone areas which a lot of my district is if I was to do remodel more than 150 feet I would have to the fire marshal would Have to have a water availability letter. Is that

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:53:05

correct? So that's been If you're in an underserved area That there is not adequate fire flow meeting the California Fire Code minimum requirements as well as the county's water manual Then and they do not have sufficient Water availability then there is a limitation of adding. We're going to be looking at how we can add an ADU on to a property of 150

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.895:53:32

square feet. OK, so I get. I would love to look at what Santa Barbara and those are doing with agriculture and urban the different zones because I have great concern. I've quite a few of my district that is not part of a mutual. We have well that they use or their So if I have to do a barn and it's a new build, so then it needs sprinklers. I have great concern that we could even do that and I want to make sure we're supporting the process where we need it and where it's specific because I do agree with those that are talking about And I want to say thank you to Chief Gardner and yourself for going up to this date and stating that our ag land is our buffers. We've known that, my first was Thomas Fire how all of the ag land has been there to support our cities.

And it you guys have all talked about with the fire maps and that's why I brought the fire maps because I'm a little concerned on the fire maps here. And we know that those fire maps aren't always correct, because I still have the Camarillo premium outlet mall has a little spot that says it's it's the fire zone area. So with that said, I'm really wanting to make sure based on our zoning that we can protect our ag. If there's more if there's one house versus the barns and the sheds and their equipment stuff is that really needed for fire flow and sprinklers?

And is there anything else we can do? I'm not saying that we're changing what we had before. I just think it's an opportunity to look at that. And then the other question I had for you is in compliance of that defensible space, what could we do because I see it's marked Article 3 and Article 4 but I was trying to understand a little bit more on that.

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:55:47

I'm sorry, what's the question?

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.895:55:49

Supervisor Long. Where are those exemptions and what can we do on the exemptions for that?

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:55:56

So it is in a policy right now which part of my conversation with CoLab is that some of these things are hard to find and they're lengthy. Some of these policies are lengthy. They're difficult to find on our website and you have one thing on an ordinance and you have one on a policy So those are some of the things I'm going to be looking at. We definitely want it to be accessible to the public and understood by the public, otherwise it's not really much use if the community doesn't know what our standards are.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.895:56:25

Okay and then the WUI that definition is that new for this year?

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:56:32

No that's a existing definition going back 20 years

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.895:56:37

And then with this fire codes, it also incorporates our ordinance with a wildfire corridor.

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:56:47

It's not a wildfire coordinator. There's an international wildland urban interface code that California adopted for the first time and we are required to adopt that but when we adopt that any amendments that we had that were existing related to wildfire, we have to incorporate it into that code when we're doing our adoption for any local amendments.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.895:57:10

Okay. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:57:17

Supervisor Gurrell. Thank you Appreciate the presentation and within the last 24 to 48 hours has been a lot of attention paid on this agenda item and a lot of input that I'm still processing. It sounds like the deadline it's driving all this is a January 1st 2026 deadline by the California State Legislature to adopt revised ordinance, is that correct? Is that the deadline we're working with here? Yes. And thus the recommendation for October 14th Hearing an adoption date is that

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:57:51

right? That is the recommendation, although there's ability to make some changes in between the first and second reading.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:58:00

Given the enormous amount of attention paid to this and my effort to kind of process it and understand it better from all the perspectives that I'm hearing, is it beneficial to postpone that date and possibly continue dialogue with stakeholders to modify, potentially modify some of the language that's been drafted related exceptions appeal process and also what you mentioned is to look into what other counties are doing and doing successfully.

Is that if I were, if I were to try to convince my colleagues to postpone this to the next board meeting or a board meeting after that so that further work could be done in those areas would we still be on track for October 14th? Or would it make sense to postpone that Can you talk a little bit to the deadlines and the flexibility that we may have to continue to deliberate kind of the language of this proposed ordinance?

GuestLongProposed · by introduction5:59:02

Sure. So, my recommendation would not be to postpone it while making the changes that we can make meeting with anyone who submitted public comment and seeing what we can do between now and the next hearing There is a reason for this process to be the way that it is, to have a first reading introduce ordinance and then to take public comment. And there's an opportunity to make some changes if we push back the adoption of this ordinance I don't think we're going to make the deadline because we do have to go to seven city council meetings after this and they have to ratify this ordinance since they are part of the Fire Protection District. What I would say for anything that we're not able to get through, through this timeline in this process is that we don't have to wait until three years from now to make any changes.

We could come back to you with an ordinance just like we're going through right now it'd be the same process all over again we would start the process over And there could be changes and it could be really done as quickly as we can get through that process. So, we're not stuck with whatever the board adopts or doesn't adopt for three years. We can come back to you and it is not uncommon to come back after a year-and-a-half also during the intervening code cycle to make updates at that time.

But again, we don't have to wait three years to make additional changes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed6:00:35

I understand the concept of fixing it later if need be, but I would be more comfortable in trying to identify what kind of flexibility do we have between now and the end of the year to see maybe some additional evaluation and maybe some additional language changes that may put all of the stakeholders including us in our comfort zone on moving forward. I'm including but not limited to the idea of coming back at the very next board meeting with an update.

If you've had an opportunity to look and see what other counties are doing, which you self-suggested may be beneficial and others and other inputs from stakeholders could be clarified more meaningfully that maybe give me more comfort.

GuestLongProposed · by introduction6:01:28

And I can definitely look at the timeline again. Just knowing how long a code adoption process takes and needing to go to 7 city council meetings that we already have scheduled over the next 2 months to ratify the ordinances. That those are some limitations, but will definitely take a look at the timeline see if there's if there's any way to push it back without affecting that January 1st adoption deadline.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.596:02:00

Supervisor long.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:02:01

Well, if you could I just had another question on the wall process. Could you give me a little bit more information on that process?

GuestLongProposed · by introduction6:02:17

Well, the wall is ultimately it's under public works. It's not under the fire department. There is a water manual that water purveyors in the county are required to comply with what we're looking at and the fire department is do they have sufficient fire flow meeting the minimum California Fire Code requirements but in order for someone to build the longstanding Requirement within the county is that someone obtain a water availability letter?

Stating that they have sufficient fire flow and really the idea behind it is when you're adding a structure. You're adding fuel And That's what triggers the requirements for the California Fire Code I do I am curious to know what Santa Barbara County is doing with that and how they have an exemption or if it's some kind of alternate which I will be looking into, but essentially in order for someone to build they have to have a water availability letter and the fire department is one of the departments that has to receive a copy of that letter in order for us to then know that they have enough water serving that area and to approve a project.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:03:27

Okay, because I keep going back to that as to I think that it's important we have enough water there. We build a house but if it's ag, there's a lot of other things that are going on I'm out with you all a lot with fires and it's that defensible space that we're really trying to keep so that the home, we save as many structures as possible. But when we talk about structures, it's the houses and the people in them.

And so I really want to focus on that. And so I think what you're saying is that we can do some changes on exemptions to the next meeting And I think that that would be something that we should look at from the other counties to do. And the other question I had was on the appeals board, I don't think like you said, I think it was you or chief that there we've only had three now what happens if the appeal board denies it? Does the The property owner have a chance to do a de novo hearing and bring it back to the Board of Supervisors is that a step? I don't know.

Sorry if the board appeals. We haven't had one but if the appeals board denies it, the case does that then come to that person has a right to bring it to the Board of Supervisors for a de novo case? That's not how

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.826:05:00

it's currently in the ordinance. So I would say then if there is the Board of Appeals, if the Board of Appeals denied it and it was a final decision.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:05:08

Right?

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.826:05:08

Typically your recourse is going to then be filing its superior court to challenge that way.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:05:13

OK. But they do have that process to do

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.826:05:16

you can always challenge a governmental decision in court.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:05:20

Cool. Yeah. Okay. I just wanted we haven't had it but I just want to figure out what that was.

Guestyour fire chief DustinFire MarshalProposedself-stated6:05:25

And we haven't had it like Joe said we haven'y had one since 2015 And that one was given 120 day extension and actually solved outside of the appeals process. And we're, we are open to changing that however this board desires. I would like to come back on the timing and Ms North and Dr Johnson were just looking at some options of us being able to extend this. And if we do extend this, we're going to jam up our cities.

The risk with this is if we don't adopt the code, we fall back to the California Code. And for decades, we have worked to amend these codes to meet our local needs and have really I think our code is better than most when it comes to public safety when it comes to protecting our residents and when it becomes too. really providing a safe building environment. Yes, they are restrictive there's no doubt and we are committed Joe and I are committed to I know this board is committed to have us working with CoLab and working with the Farm Bureau and actually CoLab has told me that they are willing to accept it as it is and move forward because they trust that we will work with them and we can bring back in off cycle Code adoption, which that has just not been a practice in the past and I am happy to adopt it.

It actually makes sense to me because we're restricted by the state. We did it every three years in the end of July and we have till January to have it adopted by all 10 of our cities. That's a really tight time frame that doesn't allow for a lot of debate and collaboration back and forth. An off cycle would allow us to do that with meet with our policy or meet with our stakeholders Brief our policy makers and make informed decisions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed6:07:09

Man, just specifically on that so if you were if you were in presumptions yes make modifications to the language the first time we would see that would be on October 14th is that right? We would see the updated language if you were to.

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.826:07:28

I would like to chime in here a little bit, the normal adoption ordinance adoption process it's a two step process under state law unless it's required to have a public hearing and I admit I don't know with this ordinance today whether or not it's required to have here in place. Normally after the introduction you can't make substantive changes to the ordinance without reintroducing it, so if there's a desire to make substantive changes my recommendation would be to continue this item to the 30th at the next board meeting which doesn't give I admit and I just told Chief Gardner that's why I pulled him over here doesn't give him a lot of time or him and Mr. Morelli a lot of time And so we're asking the board to conceptually have those changes for you so that you could at adopt the introduction of the ordinance and then still have the public hearing at the 14th and meet their time schedule.

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Guestyour fire chief DustinFire MarshalProposedself-stated6:08:19

And again, nothing in this ordinance is a change going back decades other than roll in a law that the state passed in 2021 2020. And I do have a commitment and we can work with our partners if, if we have restrictions, we can work with them while we go through this you have my commitment that I'll work with them along this as we go through our code cycle.

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ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.946:08:51

Yes, thank you Madam Chair and I agree with all of my colleagues comments so far and I know there have been very productive discussions in the last 24 hours between Fire Marshal Fire Chief and a lot of our representatives who provided public comment today. And I think we all agree that there's changes that need to be made to meet just the unique needs of so many of our rural agricultural property owners, but it just given the scope of what needs to be discussed. I don't know if we can do that in two weeks and I think given the trust I have in the two of you and at the collaborative spirit which I know both of you have I would feel comfortable approving it as is with The understanding and the assurance which you've already provided that there's going to be in-depth discussions with many of these property owners and interested stakeholders.

And that you bring us really substantive updates in the new year, whenever it's... I don't want to rush the process because I want to do it right. Yeah, I agree. And then I think that might take some time given the discussions that have to take place. And so I think it seems like everyone is on the same page here as Wanting to meet and have these discussions, and seeing what's resulted from those discussions.

So I would be comfortable moving given this the timeframes which you've already mentioned moving forward with today's recommendation and then starting those discussions ASAP. I don't know if it will can be changed today is as simple as changing make adding an AG representative to the appeals board if and when it becomes necessary Making the Board of Supervisors the final decision maker. Those seem like kind of trivial fixes that we can maybe do before October 14th, but the larger discussion I want to do right and And I really appreciate both of your willingness to collaborate and come up with solutions

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:10:51

Chief, I think I bothered you last night with a few calls or at least one call with a lot of questions. But one of the interesting things to me that you answered for me was I asked you about what if a city doesn't adopt it? What happens?

Guestyour fire chief DustinFire MarshalProposedself-stated6:11:07

Yeah, it reverts back to the California code.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:11:09

Yeah and only one city has done that

Guestyour fire chief DustinFire MarshalProposedself-stated6:11:13

But

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:11:13

we don't have to name them.

Guestyour fire chief DustinFire MarshalProposedself-stated6:11:14

Yeah, we've had one city that we've worked with a lot over the decades to bring them up to the same standards as the rest of the county which really reduce a very safe building standard here recognizing the threat we live in.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:11:28

We will be able to if we wanted to make changes, we could still do that after we go through this process. Absolutely. But then you'd have to would you have to go back to the cities again?

Guestyour fire chief DustinFire MarshalProposedself-stated6:11:36

We do.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:11:37

OK.

Guestyour fire chief DustinFire MarshalProposedself-stated6:11:37

All right. Yeah. We don't we don't mind that it had to have good collaboration and debate and look at public policy. I'm perfectly OK with that. I just don't want to jam our cities up on the on the front side here and have them have to adopt the California code as it stands That won't be good for the public safety in any of our cities. But at the same time, I fully embrace an off code cycle and having meaningful discussion with the folks that have spoke today and all of you and your representatives.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:12:06

All right, I'm comfortable with going moving forward.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:12:10

Can I ask one clarifying question? So if, for example the exemption of ag would that be in Article 3 or Article 4 which is not within this code. I'm just trying to understand because then if it's an Article 3 or Article 4 then it doesn't have to go to all the city council. I am just wanting clarification

GuestLongProposed · by introduction6:12:32

So if there's any exemptions, the way we handle those right now is we handle it through a policy. We have language in our existing ordinance that gives the fire code official to provide some exceptions to the sprinkler ordinance requirements and we point over to our sprinkler policy, and that's where we have the exemptions right now for ag and some other uses.

That could be put into the code itself. Right now it has language that allows us to use a policy.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:13:13

Okay because I think that's where we could solve this is why i was asking.

GuestLongProposed · by introduction6:13:20

And that's something I realistically see that could be done.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:13:23

Yes

GuestLongProposed · by introduction6:13:24

through the process

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:13:25

yes, so then I would that's how I see being able to approve this because those articles will be modified later and they don't go through that process and therefore Then we can make the modifications and talk with the stakeholders about that And then you could we could have that as a direction Yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed6:13:47

Just to clarify, Supervisor Long you're suggesting adopting staff recommendation with that modification.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:13:57

Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed6:13:57

Of the exception related to agriculture?

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:14:02

Yes because it I mean I will tell you right now yeah Because for example, for fire sprinklers in Santa Barbara's it says shall not apply to any agriculture buildings including grant greenhouses as defined in the California Building Code. I mean so they do have those type of things.

GuestLongProposed · by introduction6:14:26

So we do have exemptions right now. We do it through a policy, we have an exemption for 12,000 square feet for ag building there are a few other conditions that apply within that so we do have that ability.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:14:40

So we could direct you to look to discuss the policies with the ag community to ensure that we're capturing the correct things?

GuestLongProposed · by introduction6:14:51

Yes, as it is right now we have that flexibility with

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:14:54

code

GuestLongProposed · by introduction6:14:55

that we already have in place

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:14:56

Yes, so that's what I'm saying.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed6:14:59

Is this are you, are you probably mentally getting to the same point I am and that's the gentleman that testified earlier represented today at an agricultural property with no utilities connected. So what circumstance would it hypothetically? You know we won't talk about a specific property owner but ag property like that that is not connected to water, not connected utilities be required to make modifications given the adoption of the new ordinance language

GuestLongProposed · by introduction6:15:30

So there's two different requirements that apply. It says fire sprinklers, which there's exemptions for through the policy. The water availability letter, that's outside the purview of the Fire Department. We don't regulate or we don't write or bring to you the water manual for adoption but that is where those requirements are found for the water availability.

I'm not...I don't think I answered your question.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.596:16:00

I think you did. Yeah, yeah

GuestLongProposed · by introduction6:16:04

okay.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.596:16:06

Okay well we're going to continue this item right?

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:16:11

You don't

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.596:16:11

need to. Okay well according to this it's set second public hearing on October 14th.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:16:17

So so I think Matt what we are Supervisor Levier.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.596:16:24

Supervisor Levier.

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.946:16:26

Matt's okay No, I think given everything we've heard today and given that I believe our stakeholders who are here today understand and appreciate that we have a fire department that wants to engage with them. And wants to find solutions. I would feel comfortable approving today's recommendation with the direction that those conversations continue and as soon And I completely agree and appreciate that because as was stated in multiple times it captures your intent right, it will allow us to capture your

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GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.826:17:19

So to be clear though, today's motion is to approve it as it's currently written and recommended by staff.

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.946:17:24

Yes and then with the added direction which I just thank you.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role6:17:33

All right, I will read the ordinance title into record. Ventura County Fire Protection District Ordinance Number 34, an ordinance of the Ventura County Fire Protection District Repealing Ordinance 29 and 32 and adopting by reference the 2025 California fire code together with appendix chapters D and P portions of the 2024 International Fire Code portions of the 2025 California Wildland Urban Interface Code Portions of the 2024 International Wildland Urban Interface Code and portions of Title 19 of the California Code of Regulations with additions, deletions, and comment deletions amendments thereto.

Please vote.

GovTiffany N. NorthCounty CounselProposedvoiceprint 0.826:18:19

So real before you hit a vote, I just wanted to be clear we're approving the language as written today with the fact that it's going to come back for final adoption on the 14th any changes to the language will then be handled at an off cycle amendment. That's the understanding okay thank you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:18:37

Thank

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role6:18:38

you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:18:39

That way we don't hold up the process all right

Roll-call vote Passed Moved by Reviere · Seconded by Janice S. Parvin
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Sorry, and I did forget to state that was moved by Supervisor Reviere seconded by Supervisor Parvin. And you've all voted and that passes unanimously thank you.

Okay we're going to

move on to item 36 because we have interpreters waiting for this item. It is a public hearing regarding adoption of an ordinance of county initiated amendments to articles 2 4 5 & 9 of the Ventura County non-coastal zoning ordinance to implement program H E dash H. We are here today to consider a finding that the action is exempt from the California environmental quality act Sequoia pursuant to sequel guidelines section one 5 0 6, 1 B 3 and one 5, 1, 6, 8. And public resources code 2, 1 And Supervisory Districts 3 and 4.

And Geraldine.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role6:19:45

Madam Chair, we'd like to begin with the announcement from the interpreters on their services correct. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed6:19:51

Good afternoon, this meeting agenda item is being simultaneously interpreted into Spanish and mystical. To hear the interpretation from inside the meeting room please check in with the staff at the table near the entrance of the meeting room and they will assist you with one over listening devices if you are listening on zoom please select the interpretation icon and select your preferred language If you would like to make a public comment and you're using the interpreter, please speak slowly and clearly so that your comments can be interpreted in English for the board.

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PresenterJerilyn HollisHousing and State Mandates section of the Planning DivisionProposedself-stated6:21:29

Good afternoon Chair Parvin, Board of Supervisors, members of the public. Thank you for allowing me to be here today. My name is Jerilyn Hollis. I'm an Associate Planner with the Housing and State Mandates section of the Planning Division. Today I'll be presenting on proposed regulations to the county's Residential High Density Zone or RHD zone as you'll hear me refer to it from now on.

This project is listed under case number PL24-0111. Here's an overview of what I plan to cover today. I'm going to be starting with some of the relevant background information that led up to this project before jumping into the content and then ending with the recommended actions that I'm requesting of your board today. State law requires that every eight years the county update its housing element to plan for local housing need.

The RHD zone was established in 2011 during the fourth housing elements cycle to account for the county's lower income housing need. At the time, the board adopted certain development standards which allowed for multi-family dwellings to be an allowed use by right. So that means without a public hearing at the county level this means that this is approved through a zoning clearance along with the development standards that were adopted by the board. A minimum density was also established as 20 to 22 dwelling units per acre And then additionally, an affordability requirement was put into place. And this required that 100% of the units in a multifamily dwelling be reserved to lower income households.

At the same time, seven parcels located in El Rio, Piru and Santa Susana were also rezoned which added a 250 unit development capacity to the county's residential site inventory. Here are the first four parcels shown on a map. These parcels are located in District 3, in El Rio. Next we'll move to District 4 and we have two parcels located in the existing community of Santa Susana.

The final parcel is back over in District 3 and this is located in Piru. Before moving into the present-day housing element, I just wanted to take a moment to touch on a few of the existing development standards and make it really clear of what we're proposing to include as part of this project scope. First these sites were zoned as RHD in 2011 and as part of this project we're not proposing a rezoning Second, we're not proposing to up zone or increase the density at these sites. We're proposing to keep it at 20-22 dwelling units per acre and then finally there isn't a development proposal at this time and that's completely dependent on the property owner through our engagement we've tried to involve them but as part of this project were not aware of any development plan Okay, so moving to our current housing element.

As I previously mentioned 250 units were included in the county's residential sites inventory and they still remain there today. At the time of the update in 2021 and as part of certifying our housing element for compliance, HCD required that the county include two programs in our housing element that address and facilitate the construction of lower income units in the RHD zone.

The first program is program HED and it's really intent on alleviating some of the infrastructure constraints associated with multifamily housing development. The second program, which is Program HEH and this is the primary focus of this project and directly implemented through this ordinance. This program is intended to bring our zoning code in compliance with state law.

Currently there's no development on any of the RHD sites Completion of these two housing element programs is important for the county to maintain its housing element compliance. In March of last year, county staff convened an infrastructure forum of different service providers and housing stakeholders to discuss existing conditions on each of the RHD zone sites.

In discussing El Rio sites, the county was provided with the feedback that water storage requirements in the RHD zone were inconsistent with how they were regulated across other residential zones. And so in response to that increasing storage options and our amendments to Article 5 for included as part of this project scope The second program, Program HEH is intended to align our zoning code with state law.

In reviewing state requirements new state laws have been passed around inclusionary housing and so because of this staff is proposing to include procedures to address alternative compliance. Together these three components form the core of the proposed scope for this project Here's a summary table showing the different development standards and then the resulting change in the proposed ordinance. Shown in red are the existing development standards that we have.

Shown in yellow are the development standards that were required to retain in the ordinance per state law. Affordable housing agreements are something that aren't required by state law, but staff is proposing to include them to assist with implementation of this ordinance post adoption. So As I mentioned the board had previously adopted and a 100% affordability requirement. And so we've the proposed ordinance amends this affordability requirement and adds 4 options that a developer could utilize to satisfy the requirement option one is required by state law.

Options 2 and 3 are intended to incentivize very low income housing and extremely low income housing which have historically been difficult for the county to achieve. Options 1 through 3 prioritize on-site construction on the RHD zone parcel. Option 4 is required by state law. However, staff is proposing to raise the percent of affordable units required to 30% as another mechanism to really facilitate construction on site first.

So the fourth option included in the proposed ordinance is alternative compliance and The ordinance proposes to include three different options which are land donation, acquisition of existing land and units as well as a proposal of equivalent action. These three mechanisms require planning director approval beforehand And there's also specific criteria that is intended to help guide our decision makers with making that decision and ensuring that whatever proposal is brought up at the time of development aligns with the county's housing element goals.

So I'll be moving next into a summary of the proposed amendments The proposed ordinance also what is it revises certain development standards applicable to multifamily dwellings. Revisions to these standards are intended to provide straightforward and objective criteria streamlining requirements for during the review process for both applicant and County staff.

It includes Additionally, the proposed ordinance requires recordation of an affordable housing agreement with that development plan included as a sub exhibit of the agreement. The purpose of these new requirements are intended to formally outline responsibilities of the applicant and also ensure that there's a plan long term for the development of lower income housing Finally, there are provisions which allow for the deviation from certain development standards and then also enforcement provisions which require that any fees collected through this ordinance are deposited into an affordable housing trust account.

The Planning Commission hearing for this project was held on July 31st and the commission voted 4-0 to bring this to your board with the following comments for your consideration. The first comment was to consider less options for alternative compliance. While only one mechanism of alternative compliance is required by state law, the proposed ordinance has retained all three Although these mechanisms may not result in the direct construction of affordable units, they can still play a meaningful role in creating affordable housing that's in line with our Housing Element goals.

The proposal of equivalent action is a recommendation from County Council and it's also seen commonly in other inclusionary ordinances throughout the county such as at the City of Ventura and City of Oxnard The second comment was to include specific timing. This resulted in a direct revision to the proposed section on alternative compliance and to the affordable housing agreement section to address this recommendation.

The third comment, the commission asked that staff outline the components of an affordable housing agreement to make sure that it was not developer driven. Exhibit six in your board packet includes some preliminary components that have been identified, maybe included in this affordable housing agreement. However developing this actual agreement is intended to occur post adoption and planning staff is going to work with alongside county council to formalize this agreement.

The fourth comment was to conduct more outreach to the community of Santa Susan. Prior to the Planning Commission hearing, planning staff attended both the Piru Neighborhood Council as well as the El Rio Municipal Advisory Council to inform them of these updates. However, there wasn't a similar forum identified for the Santa Susana community. So following the Planning Commission hearing we worked with the District 4 office to identify other avenues that would help provide or would help inform the community of Santa Susana And so staff connected with the Santa Susanna Homeowners Association Board to inform them. And then after the publication of this board packet, we did receive a comment letter that should be included in the revisions packet from the Santa Susanna homeowners association.

Additionally, a social media ad was posted on Instagram and Facebook on September 9th running up until 12 p.m today and it was targeted towards all residents that live within five miles of those two Santa Susan parcels The final comment that we received from the Planning Commission was to share strong concerns about the viability of each of these sites, but also to acknowledge that there would be potential impacts to our housing element. High fire severity zones and then the two overlay zones which are the Habitat Connectivity and Wildlife Corridor as well as the Critical Wildlife Passage Area Overlay Zones were factors that were initially cited In discussing these requirements with stakeholders, it was determined that some fire hardening requirements on structures may come into play.

And then in relation to the wildlife corridors lighting would be the biggest requirement and it would be required primarily to be fully shielded and directed downwards. Exhibit 6 also includes further analysis of this. Additionally, traffic safety along Santa Susana Pass Road was also cited as a concern for the commission. These existing traffic conditions were discussed further with the Public Works Agency Roads and Transportation Division.

And they informed us that in reviewing traffic safety there's various conditions I'm going to start by saying that the Santa Susana Pass road was below certain thresholds for some conditions. But there may be certain concerns about line of sight. At the time of development proposal, these conditions would be re-reviewed depending on whatever site plan was proposed and then they would be able to apply those safety traffic safety standards prior to the issuance of a building permit.

We also have public work staff available if there's further questions regarding traffic safety. So finally, rezoning or changing the RHD locations was not originally included as part of this project scope because it does impact our housing elements compliance. The county has a certified compliant housing element and because of that we're eligible to receive various or to apply for and receive various state funding programs.

Removal of an RHD site from our residential sites inventory brings the housing element out of compliance Under state law, it also triggers no net loss provisions. So this would mean that the county is for whatever we remove from our inventory, the county is required to identify new sites and replace that so there's no net loss. So to rezone a site, that would also include a housing element amendment as well as potentially a general plan amendment and the CEQA California Environmental and Quality Act review associated with that.

The county then would have to reseek certification of our housing element from each CD. In the meantime, this could potentially delay other programs that county staff is working on such as our pro-housing designation application which compliance or implementation of this program is a direct requirement to apply for that designation. Because of all these considerations, staff is not recommending to rezone at this time.

Here are a few other minor revisions that were made. As I mentioned, sections on alternative compliance as well as our affordable housing agreement section were revised resulting from the Planning Commission's feedback. There are also minor clarification and consistency edits that were made. Moving on to our California Environmental Quality Act findings. These are included in your board packet, and I'll just move through these really quickly.

This project is exempt pursuant to CEQA guidelines sections 15061B3 as well as 15168 and then also statutorily exempt pursuant to the public resources code 21080.085 Here's a summary of the noticing that was conducted prior to this hearing and consistent with our non-coastal zoning ordinance. For the parcels that were vacant within the 300 foot notification radius, postcards were sent to the mailing addresses that we had on file to ensure that absentee owners received notice of this hearing.

In addition to the required legal noticing staff conducted additional outreach for this proposed amendment and it summarized here on the slide. Shown in red, these were the actions taken prior or following the Planning Commission hearing and prior to today. Resulting from our public noticing and outreach, staff received one written public comment which is included in your packet.

And then additionally since the publication of the board packet we did receive one additional comment letter. So here are recommended actions that were requesting of the And with that said, that concludes my presentation. But I will leave the floor open to discussion and I'm here with Planning Director Dave Ward as well as the Housing and State Mandates Manager Ruchida Kodakia and then County Council.

Thank you. Thank you. I'm

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:40:49

going to open the public hearing. So I know I have a few questions

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:41:05

I do as well, but do you want to hear from the public speakers first? It looks like there's two.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:41:09

Sure let's hear from the public speakers first.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed6:41:13

Thank You Chair Parpin we currently have two speakers one in person and one joining us on zoom our first speaker will be Arthur Valenzuela followed by Zoe Osborne who is on Zoom. Arthur please proceed to the podium and you will have three minutes to give your comment thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed6:41:31

Good afternoon, Chair Parvin Board of Supervisors. I'm coming here to speak in favor of the staff recommendations for aligning these ordinances to align with state law and supportive of more of the opportunity for more lower income housing for our community as like this board approved the poll last year for a potential housing bond seeing how affordable housing is a dire need for this community and you know aligning from 100% I think it would be helpful in trying to get the developer and property owners to move forward on these are HD. Thank you for your comment.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.596:42:30

Thank you, Supervisor Long.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:42:33

Want to start? Okay. I'm not sure where to start but the decision to zone this property happened in 2011 and then it continued through two different, trying to find all my notes, two different housing elements right so that's 16 years or 11-16 years So nobody wanted to build it. Where I'm going is, I think you know where I'm going, is that I find the parcels along Santa Susana just not appropriate and I don't think they were appropriate in 2011 but I do love affordable housing. I just am not sure that's even the right location For a lot of reasons, but I know the property very well.

I worked on the other side of the mountain there for seven years so I took that road every day. So I know there is a line-of-sight issue which you can overcome that. You need to widen the road as well since we're starting to make the property actually very expensive and I'm not...I don't...that's why it's still sitting there and I know that we have...we're now sort of going well they can do this, they can do this.

Where was that my favorite? They can reduce the amount, not 100% anymore. Right? So it could be let's put this way. It's not how it was originally intended but if we try to change the zoning then we're going to be out of compliance and it's going to mess up a whole lot of other things for us got that right I mean, you kind of have your back to a wall. I think on this one for me because and a decision made in 2011 is something I'm looking at right now thinking. I don't I couldn't disagree with it more than I do

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed6:44:42

understood. Okay. Thank you chair pardon Supervisors Dave Ward County Planning Director we are under constraints with the housing element and maintaining our certification is really important You are correct that this is two cycles of housing elements with the sites identified. There's a limitation going further into a third housing element cycle, which by the way is already starting to occur with the state processes. We're already having technical meetings with SCAG so that's coming sooner than we think We will be unable to use the sites if they aren't developed over the next several years. So how long

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed6:45:25

can it be? How long can it just keep going and going and going? We have a heightened burden

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed6:45:33

to include those in the third round of housing element cycle And that we may not be able to achieve at all. I can't say that it's a heightened level of review, meaning the state is also saying county. We don't know whether these really are viable sites because you haven't had any development progress. And so that higher bar will now be processed in the 2029 housing element.

But for right now, these sites are important to be included. If your board's direction is to have us re-look at that we would need to create that into our work plan to go do that, to identify what additional sites would be our no net loss and bring forward to you all at the same time a housing element amendment so we can show to the state that we're not gonna be a let loss And then have them certify that. So, that level of activity will include obviously the technical analysis to identify other sites pulling that all together into the documentation some level of community engagement about that process planning commission your board and then submitting to the state.

That probably would take a good chunk of 2026 if this is your direction to move forward. We do know that in the CEO's office, Community Development Division is working closely with us to try to achieve the pro-housing designation because important funding cycles that could help serve not only the county but other organizations in our jurisdiction and so that would be the tradeoff for And so that's an important one to consider. Just from a financial The end of 2026, I think is when their cycle for funding opportunities occur. So we wanted to make sure that you're aware of that but you could give us that direction and that would be something we would fit into the work plan to go and try to look for sites where those sites would be wouldn't necessarily mean in your district or we don't know.

We'd have to look holistically across the county. need to do rezoning of sites in the last cycle. But that was through that evaluation process with HCD to determine that we didn't need to identify new sites, that happened a lot with the cities locally. Ojai Valley could be one of those areas where there's opportunity sites so it would be a bigger effort for us to do but it is before your board direction if you want us to do that.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.596:48:27

Okay

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:48:30

See if

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.596:48:30

I have another

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:48:30

couple of questions here. I mean, I had a million questions so I've kind of been sorting through each one but no matter how many ways I look at it, I just can't see it as viable those two parcels as viable at any time other than a couple of ranch houses just because of the cost of getting it ready for a higher density project

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed6:48:59

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Chair Parvin supervisors miss Hollis is correct as far as the technical parts about traffic and safety we did verify that we did with the water services there definitely requirements that a development would need to satisfy but as far as the traffic safety issue from what public works roads division provided

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:49:31

It's in a high fire zone. It's got a habitat connectivity. And I know that they can overcome it with fire hardening, it would be required so there's more additional cost on that. Definitely the line of sight but I guess they can overcome that too. There are just so many reasons why It's just it's just not a I'm sorry. Yeah, I wish I was here in 2011 because we wouldn't even be talking about this right now cuz I'd know in two seconds This is not a good does not work And the fact that I don't know in 2011 if anybody ever talked to anybody in the Santa Susana area other than the person that owns the property and maybe they did but the people I've talked to in Santa Susana that they weren't familiar with it at all and they would have liked to have been more familiar with what was going on.

So I guess there are more comments than searching for answers, but I did search for answers. I'm sure you can overcome everything, but it will be extremely expensive, but it could be done. Is it feasible? And no, I know there's no project right now and we're just it's to me. It's like I'm checking a box because it fits but I don't want to kick the can down the road if it wasn't good in 2011 to me, it's not good in 2025 either but okay. That's my questions.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:51:09

Thank you. I understand your frustration And yes, these were picked in 2011. And I kind of feel it was 100% affordable so that they wouldn't build. I've got to say that

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:51:26

really

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:51:26

because their flexibility if if it if it was the case and we would have had some building on it. So obviously to me what was there is not working. However, I'm not quite sold on the sites that we picked But I understand that we need to make these amendments and I appreciate the Planning Commission's comments and their votes. I agree on them for where we have to be, but I do wanna also ask like as in other presentations to Piru and El Rose Max it seemed to the community that these locations were just recently picked And so I just want to clarify for any of them that are looking, I think they've been picked since 2011 is what I'm hearing. So if there was any confusion on that, I just want to make sure that that clarification is done.

The other question I have is in regards to how many units that are on there. And based on what happens, because we have concern in Piru that how many units is on there is too much for the community to handle on the roads and so forth. If someone was to develop on that parcel would they have to go through an ER? What was the process if they wanted to develop it?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed6:52:59

Chair Parvin, Supervisor Long. The RHD directs that a housing project will be done at the ministerial level so that means director-level approval All the agencies at the county are still involved as far as a project ensuring compliance with fire code standards, the transportation standards, public works, the water system, sanitation. All of that is still required so it's still a very robust process in ensuring compliance with all of our county code and ordinances but it would not include a public process. So that's the distinction for the RHD sites and that's an important component for the state

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:53:41

Okay, and then if a developer came and they wanted 20 units not 30 in what you're listing here for the parcel 7 would that be acceptable? Did they have to hit 30 my community wants to know.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed6:53:58

Do you want to certainly introduce yourself?

CommentRuchita KadakiaProposedself-stated6:54:02

Supervisor Long, I'm Ruchita Kadakia. I'm the manager for the Housing and State Mandate section The minimum density for the parcel is the same as what was established in 2011 which was 20 dwelling units to an acre so for the parcel in Piru that you're mentioning the development capacity was identified on the basis of the 20 dwelling units to an acre to 30 units on parcel minimum Okay

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:54:29

I just wanted to clarify that. And then on both of them, well specifically in El Rio area those locations there is no water I don't understand how we would get water to any of those processes because we as help with constituents just trying to add an ADU which might be one or two people and they can't do it because of the WAL letter, the wall letter. So what do we do with that?

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CommentRuchita KadakiaProposedself-stated6:55:05

Supervisor Long, that is a good question. El Rio and specifically the parcels where the RHD sites are located under the Cloverdale water mutuals boundaries and yes they do have certain constraints with water access Yeah, which is why when we went program D H E.D.. That was the excerpt of which that Geraldine Hollis presented. We did conduct an infrastructure forum in March 2024 where Cloverdale did attend. And we did have breakout sessions, talked about specifically like how would one provide water or infrastructure services for those parcels. And they didn't mention that they were looking at ways to expand their water storage options. Which is when they identified since they were right next to an RHD parcel that if there was availability for them to access some of it, they were looking at changing height or expanding the area.

Which would allow for additional water access not just for the RHD sites but also for the overall community on the whole which would include the ADUs So they're looking at options. They're also waiting for this ordinance to come through so they could move on with, they'll have additional options available. Again, I wouldn't be able to say exactly when that would happen or if it would but it provides an option for them.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:56:31

Because the reason why I ask that is more for the fact that how do I get water and fire protection for the El Rio, Strickland, Niland acres as a whole? I know we're working to try to get mutual to join together, but we've been talking about that for quite a few years and 10 years before that. So I'm told so how do it's infrastructure costs and hookups? How is it that we can get grant funding or so forth to really maximize the safety and well-being and water for these communities? That's the ultimately I'm trying to ask

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed6:57:15

Yes, thank you Supervisor Long. We are working on the El Rio area plan update that involves the county agencies it's led by planning division but the other county agencies will be involved in that we know that the infrastructure constraints for the community is significant based upon all the different water purveyors in that community County Public Works is also trying to work on providing guidance or leadership, lack of a better word to try to guide for some of these potential consolidations of certain districts and the value that could provide as well as how to fund all of this. And those would be opportunities for other grant funds and things like that so it is an important topic. The CEO's office is tracking that too with economic development On the area plan, it's a longer term project that we're working on but that would be the next vehicle to provide more direction for the community and your board's authority on how we could establish programs and future opportunities to try to help the community on solidifying their water needs.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:58:25

And so if I'm hearing you correctly doing this to these locations would help with that? We're going to go ahead and get started.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed6:58:36

That's correct, yes.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:58:38

So then I'm a yes because I need water for everybody so okay thank you I appreciate it but I do think the approval of today based on your recommendations but I also if I heard you right looking for other sites rezoned if needed based on what Supervisor Parman was talking about maybe I could touch base on that with you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed6:59:03

I chair Marvin supervisor long what I would encourage is hopefully adoption of a recommendation today and if you want to provide side from that some direction for us to look at our work plan for identifying some reconsideration of sites. That would be a big endeavor if we can do that, but we'd want to have your direction to us to go do that

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.726:59:32

Would that take more than one vote? Yes. For the reconsideration?

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.896:59:38

Chair, I have a question based on that with that recommendation since it would be a significant endeavor and where does it fall in the timeline of preparing looking at the next cycle for the housing element?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed6:59:55

It it wouldn't supervisor Lopez, it would not affect the next cycle. The next cycle will require us countywide an inventory of sites based upon what the state designates through SCAG as our fair share contribution to what's called RHNA housing numbers. We will be beginning the efforts in 2027 of the next housing element. This is really the relationship between the cities and the county with SCAG understanding the data, making sure they get the numbers right for the modeling that they create that results in the total fair share allocation that we would get so it would not affect that but it would be a large endeavor for 2026. We'd want to get resolution of that At the same time you see you get certification of your new housing element. You have to provide how well you did with the entirety of the last element and so this would be a factor although we don't have a proposal on any of these sites, we may not get it anything coming in.

So we could go and make adjustments take that effort and maybe not get anywhere In that sense, we could protect ourselves by maintaining certification with the state in showing the exercise that we did. But it would be a lot of effort and may not result in any development on the ground.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.897:01:21

And I think that's why Chair, you know, I wonder is would that be the best use of staff time if it's if the results won't be what we're looking for an identifying alternative locations? So but I do understand your concerns. Yeah.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:01:39

I agree with you. I'm frustrated by this because again, that's not the right parcel and we all do need more housing. So what I don't kick cans down the road though. That's just not my style. I would be the only one that would probably support the reconsideration of the site. But if I don't ask for that, then somebody following my footsteps will be looking at this very same issue eight years from now or so.

Right? It'll still be there and it still won't be built upon unless they do a land swap or one of the other eight options that they're offered.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed7:02:26

Chair Parvin, we will be required to provide even more justifications than we did in the last in the current cycle to continue with those sites. In other words, the state's going to push back is that you've had these sites for 2 cycles. They have not been developed direct reward. How are you ensuring that this is viable? We will have to provide more justification. I'm not even sure what else we could do at this point based upon what we've already tried to do through the infrastructure forum in that regard so it would be a very high bar to meet.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed7:03:00

So my

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:03:02

next I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed7:03:02

never

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:03:03

I still want to know how when we pick that site and you probably weren't involved Did they look at whether services are available? Because if these are high-density affordable housing units, wouldn't you want them to be within walkable distance or a bike distance from transportation or something like that. I know I'm asking tough hard questions but those are the kind of things I would have asked in 2011.

Me. That would be me. Understood.

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ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.897:03:39

Well and I do agree that a more affordable housing in non-high fire zones would be good. So, in both areas of Piru and Santa Susana those are both in high hazard versus... Do you have wildlife corridors too? So we have El Rio that it seems more appropriate and closer to services closer to all of that. And so that's why I was asking to push more for the El Rio area plan as to how do we build water because perhaps that's better a location for more affordable housing And you see that in their neighbor of the city of Oxnard, that has done the same thing just a couple streets over. So that's where I was going but I would make a motion to approve staff recommendation as it is suggested for today.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:04:39

Can I ask a question before we get a second or whatever. The question would be, would my colleagues consider the reconsideration of the site so that we don't have to look at it again in a few years from now and again and again and again?

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.947:04:52

That was actually one of my questions is not I don't know this property but I trust your judgment on it. And is this something that we can just resolve? When we in our next housing element that when we accept where I think we're halfway through this element. And so, in a couple of years are going to be starting the next element and we know that in the next element this is not a property that should be included with that solve?

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:05:14

I think if we approve this if I read this right if we approve this then somebody could only they could do a land swap or they can do all these other options yes that were offered that that are not going to bring you more affordable housing. They're going to bring you a little affordable housing. It could do it could happen that way.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed7:05:33

Yes, the provisions that we're adding into the RHD would be applicable to Supervisor LeVere's question. Yes. The next housing element cycle will require us to do a whole new sites inventory countywide.

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.947:05:48

That is required. Assuming that no further development gets proposed on this site given the difficulties raised by the chair, we'll know this site should not be included in the next element. I'm just concerned about losing a lot of the progress we've made towards getting that pro-housing designation and I know you've done so much work and we're almost there.

And recognizing the concerns raised by the chair hopefully that's something that gets resolved in the next three years right? Is our next cycle go to 28 or 29?

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.897:06:16

Well, and I would ask for the location in the Piru be the same. These two locations for that to be not included at the next side call.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed7:06:29

So Chair Parvin, Supervisors let me make a suggestion. We will be coming to your board March of next year to do the next work plan three-year time horizon within that there will be items related to housing already and we will probably be starting to talk about staff resources that start to align with the new element and give me the opportunity I hear your comments but let Use that as the way to frame up possibilities of addressing your concern and directions with those parcels, and how it would relate to the next housing element cycle.

And see if I can get you in a feeling better about the current situation.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:07:13

I'm not blaming you. I don't believe you made that recommendation in 2011. You personally.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed7:07:20

Thank you for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed7:07:20

that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed7:07:21

Anyway, if that would be another opportunity where this topic can come back and I can frame it in the context of the work plan and what we'll be looking like for the next housing element cycle.

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.897:07:45

I actually, I just want to say thank you to all of you. We have been asking a lot of questions. You know this so much better than all of us and just thank you for listening and answering our questions and making sure that we're heard in our constituents are heard. I really do appreciate it.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:08:03

And I think I'm pretty familiar with it. I feel like I know it as well as the planners.

Roll-call vote Passed Moved by Kelly Long · Seconded by Matt LaVere
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Chair Parvin we have a motion by Supervisor Long to approve staff recommendations seconded by Supervisor LaVere please vote. All right that passes by four to one thank you.
ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.597:08:28

Thank you

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:08:30

our next item is 35 Public hearing to consider adoption of county-initiated amendments to Articles 1 through 15, 17 and 19 of the Ventura County Non-Coastal Zoning Ordinance, Ventura County Ordinance Code Division 8 Chapter 1 pertaining to clerical and clarifying edits and from the California Environmental Quality Act. Have any other questions though? Do you have

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.897:08:59

a question? No, actually I really do appreciate our staff working with my office all of our offices to ensure we understood what the changes were and really appreciate getting this moving forward. I'm very very thankful. I know there's more to do but this is a great start

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.597:09:19

It is.

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.947:09:20

Supervisor LeVere? Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to echo that. I think as we talk about wanting to make our process simpler for our customers, there's a lot of things in here which are a great start in terms of downshifting on some of the CPU or CUP to PD. And similar things in this, I think it's a great start. And I know this is a much bigger project but again baby steps and we're moving in the right direction. So thank you for all the work that went into this.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:09:50

Thank you

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.897:09:50

Supervisor Leary. I mean there's no speakers. I think everyone was just in support that contacted me. This is great. I'm so excited about what the county is doing. Thank you so much. We've been heard. So thank you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:10:06

For me it's the opposite of the last item. There aren't any, I'm gonna close the public hearing and appreciate the work. Good work all of you in the department closing the hearing.

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ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.597:10:23

Motion.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role7:10:28

Item number 35 motion to approve staff recommendations move by Supervisor Long seconded by Supervisor Grove please vote that passes unanimously thank you

CommentGabby CifuentesProposedself-stated7:10:38

Thank you Board of Supervisors.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role7:10:38

Thank you.

CommentGabby CifuentesProposedself-stated7:10:39

Our

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.597:10:41

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37,

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:10:50

Dr. Johnson.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:10:51

Thank You Madam Chair My comments are as follows. I attended the Area 805 Innovation Center site visit and the Housing Trust Fund Raise the Roof campaign with supervisors, so I will not comment more. I was honored to be able to join uniformed and civilian personnel on the morning of September 11th at the Ventura County Fire Department headquarters in Thousand Oaks honoring the lives of those lost and the heroes that emerged on September 11th It was a great moment of remembrance to share with all of them and just really in such a moving time to bond, to reflect and to be thankful for the liberties and the freedoms that we have here. So I wanted to share that.

Congratulations to Thomas Hunt. He's our new General Services Agency Director He started with the county in May of this year as the deputy director. And as the previous director retired, you know his leadership has really just shown through and we're really excited for the ways that he will strengthen the general services agency which really is the backbone of so many of our facilities it touches almost every facility every agency that we have so a huge congratulations to him and look forward to working with him more Ventura County Medical Center, their family medicine residency program was ranked number one in California and number two in the nation.

That is a huge honor so really want to say congratulations to them for earning this prestigious ranking by proximity and just say thank you to all of those On the ground floor, behind the scenes on the front line at VCMC to make this happen. We know that is a team that makes our program one of the top tier ranking training programs for residents not only in California but also in the nation.

Yesterday, September 15th marked the beginning of National Latino Heritage Month. This is a time to recognize and honor the contributions culture and history of Latino community. The observance also highlights the deep roots in vibrant traditions that continue to enrich us right here in Ventura County. Next week we will have our second annual disability summit.

It will be September 23rd to the 26th at the Crowne Plaza in Ventura. This event will bring together advocates, families and community leaders to discuss resources and policies that support equity and inclusion for people with disabilities on their different tracks they'll be discussing disaster preparedness peer mentoring housing crisis intervention and more so Encouraging folks to come out.

And then lastly, we talked about it. We had a presentation but just want to make sure I also add that the Ventura County Fire Department in partnership with the Ventura County Area Agency on Aging will be hosting the 2025 Fall Prevention Forum on September 26 from 8 to noon and that'll be at the fire department headquarters in Thousand Oaks Of course, September is Fall Prevention Awareness Month and this event is free. It provides educational speakers. There'll be balance activities, health assessments and resources to help older adults prevent life-altering falls.

Space is limited so they're asking everyone to pre-register and if you just go online to the fire department's website there's a cool flyer here and the QR code that you can scan from your phone to register. Thank You Madam Chair that concludes my comments Thank you, Supervisor

ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.897:14:38

Lopez. Thank you, Chair. It's been a few couple of weeks now starting with the celebration for Labor Day. I attended the annual Central Coast Labor Council picnic. There were a number of big representatives, including the AFL-CIO President Liz Shuler, the California Federation of Labor Unions President Lorena Gonzalez, UFW President Teresa Romero, Excuse me, the International Association of Firefighters Secretary and Treasurer Frank Lima who is a county resident. The former U.S. Secretary of Labor Julie Hsu and the California State Building Trades President Chris Hannan so it was a really big gathering in South Oxnard and they were there to volunteer to help serve meals to those in attendance so I'm really glad to have participated there.

I also attended the SCAG Regional Council meeting where the big focus was around the LA-28 Olympics and I know that there's been conversations that have already started here about the county's involvement and presence in making sure that we play a role as a county in this big event along with other events that will be coming to the area I attended the Clean Power Alliance board meeting and we voted to formally invite the City of Fillmore to join CPA. So, the next steps include the city adopting an ordinance to join CPA and then the process begins to create the implementation plan and hopefully If the city moves forward with it, then they would begin receiving clean power by 2027 and that will bring Ventura County as a whole to be a member from cities to the county being members of CPA.

So I think that's really great news. I attended the Housing Trust Fund annual event, Raise the Roof. So it was just really good gathering. I know a number of community leaders and county officials were there. And then on September 5th, I attended the grand opening of the Dolores Huerta Gardens where she was also present to cut the ribbon and this project It includes 58 units for farm workers and veterans in Ventura County. So I just want to congratulate Curbu Economic Development Corporation and county, and everyone who made this project possible. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful site.

On September 9th, Rose Avenue Elementary School held a ribbon cutting for the new building, the new school site. And again just really great to see the new school and this was actually the first school I attended here when I arrived from Mexico in kindergarten. And last week, the Mexican Consulate held a reception for a new art exhibit which is Héroes Anónimos or anonymous heroes. And there were artists present just really good some really nice pieces of art held there.

I also attended last night the celebration of the Mexican Independence Day, which is today. And it was an event that took place at Ventura City Hall with the Mexican consulate and other electeds. And some upcoming events I wanted to share includes the California Coastal Cleanup, which is on September 20th. One of the sites will be in South Oxnard at Ormond Beach starting at 9 a.m.

until 12 p.m., there will be seed planting, plant removal, beach cleanup, bird watching and resource booths with the Merito Foundation so encourage everyone to come out to the beach and help out. And on Thursday, September 25th there will be a tsunami preparedness community meeting at the Channel Islands Beach Community Room from 630 to 830 p.m. in Silver Strand so I look forward to being there as well and there will be presentation from the Office of Emergency Services on preparation notifications updated signage And on the last event coming up is September 27th, the Port of Wainimi's 12th Annual Banana Festival.

And with that I do have a list of people I request we adjourn in memory of but I wanted to bring attention to one specific member of the community in Oxnard, Carol Beck-Flores who was a lifelong resident of Oxnard. She passed away on August 23rd. She was an educator and administrator for more than 40 years She touched thousands of lives of students and families in the Oxnard Elementary School District, Wene'mu School District and the Rio School District as well as Our Lady of Guadalupe School in Oxnard. She was a trusted mentor to many and leaves behind an enduring legacy of guidance, compassion and leadership. And I had the opportunity to engage with Carol as a member of the Oxnard Sister City Committee. So, I send my condolences to her husband Bruce Beck who was married to Carol for 26 years.

Thank you Chair. Supervisor LaVere?

ElectedMatt LaVereSupervisor, District 1Proposedvoiceprint 0.947:20:14

Thank you Madam Chair and Dr. Johnson mentioned it but those 9-11 ceremonies are always incredibly powerful and I was able to join The firefighters at station 23 in Oak View on the morning of the 11th. And I just wanted to thank the fire department for always making the effort to bring, we had several members of the community there even though it was 645 in the morning but it's always a great way to remember all the lives lost on 9-11 particularly almost 400 first responders who gave their life that morning and then last Sunday we had our Ventura County Healthcare Foundation Ronald McDonald walk, the Walk For Kids And there are hundreds and hundreds of people showed up to State Beach in Ventura. I was able to hang out with Dr. Johnson a little on a Sunday morning, but it's just another wonderful event and I want to congratulate the foundation and Amy Towner for all their work they do supporting the Ronald McDonald House which we all know is so incredibly important to Ventura County residents.

And then lastly, I would ask that we adjourn in honor of those on the list I provided to the clerk. I want to call out several of them one being Alan Bonner who was a United States Army veteran Douglas Morton who was a United States Army veteran and who then went on to serve the community for many years as a police officer with the Ventura Police Department John Brooks who was a long time journalist and then in retirement became really a beloved activist in the Ojai Valley. He's one of the founders of Seafrog, and a driving force behind the Ohio Valley Family Shelter which serves homeless residents in the Ojai Valley but just really dedicated his life in retirement to serving the community and was as I said really beloved especially in the Ojai Valley.

And then lastly, Brad Halverson who was a United States Army veteran passed away last week at the tender age of 39 of a heart attack. A reminder just how precious life is but Brad was a longtime member of the Nordhoff music family and an accomplished musician became a really beloved contractor in the White Valley His family has been so involved at Nordoff in the music and drama department for many years.

His dad is on the Ojai Unified School Board, Dr. Jim Halverson and his mom Robin, his sister Jenna really just one of the upstanding families in the Ojai Valley. And it was a tragic loss at such a young age. So we're thinking of the Halversons during this difficult time. Thank you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.597:22:45

Thank you Supervisor Long

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ElectedVianey LopezSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.897:22:49

Thank you, a lot of great events going on. One thing I do want to say is congratulations to the Santa Paula Union School District for their Building and Construction Academy. ROP is so important teaching the trades and so really do appreciate I just want to say thank you to everyone who put that together. Also, I'd like to just congratulate on the Dolores Huertas Garden Grand Opening. That is just such a beautiful build and the Cabrillo Economic Development Corporation and our CEO's housing team for their excellent work.

Attended the Interface Children and Family Services Hope & Light fundraiser event. I just want to say thank you to so many people who made donations, they raised over $450,000 for their 2-1-1 and all their programs and as we know Many of the nonprofits are really hitting the cuts right now from the federal side, so I just wanted to say thank you. Also congratulations to Richard Hunt and Craig Hodgson's for their years of dedication serving our regional defense partnership our advocacy with cities county veterans businesses to really advocate for our Navy base is so essential especially In today's world, and they've just dedicated their service for free to do the good work. Also attended CSUCI presidential transition event. Congratulations to Dr.

A for becoming the interim Channel Islands president and thank you to the outgoing President Dr. Yao for everything he did in advance the university's mission. I also met with the CHP Captain Premisario to discuss safety issues affecting the 3rd District with 118 and the 126. I would also like to just thank him for his service. We also met with City of Fillmore, Caltrans, VCTC, also discussed the safety issues on the 126 And there'll be more to become in November from Caltrans. So very, very excited about that.

And so that was good. I also just wanted to make a note, I attended the Charlie Kirk visual last night and there was over 300 3000 people. I just want to really say thank you to Sheriff Fryhoff for attending And speaking about hate crime and how that is not appropriate anytime. And also to really remind people to not be threatening people, to not be putting things in writing that you would not send your mother or your friend. To really think twice before threatening anyone about anything, because we should be compromising. We should be talking about things and discussing and being civil and moral with each other. And I think in today's world, we need to remember that. And so it took that to heart last night. Many have said they do it but they don't.

And I just want to make sure that everyone is really being appropriate so. That's my big push and then also I'd like to just adjourn with those in memory on this list that I serve to the clerk of the board, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed7:26:31

Thank you, Madam Chair. In the interest of time I'm just going to do one and one. One thing that's happened already and one thing coming up. Last Saturday we organized the Somis Road cleanup and staff and community leaders got together when we filled more than 60 bags of trash along that we collected from along Somis Road with a special thanks to Athens, to Harrison, to Somis School and Villanova school who sent out about eight or nine students to come down and help us out it was great We had over 20 maybe 25 people there is fantastic turnout.

One thing coming up is tomorrow night September 17th, I'm having a zone zero town hall hosting that Wednesday at the Ventura County Fire Department headquarters in Newbury Park starts at 530 we're also going to stream that on YouTube but it will have panelists there including the representatives of the Board of Forestry who can answer questions related to the zone 0 development and those regulations become very visible to most people in Ventura County.

In addition to that, I would just ask my board members to adjourn in memory of the names submitted to the clerk of the Board. Thank you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:27:46

Thank you. I met with a local constituent as a follow-up to the Kratom presentation that we had And I learned from him first hand about the dangers of this opioid and as well as the dangers of nitrous oxide. And it's readily available also in stores near you. Kids can actually get it as well so and again, it's addictive. It's horrible and I'm really glad that our doctors brought this forward.

We also attended the quarterly economic vitality meeting where a number of ideas were shared including the upcoming Olympics and the importance of collaborating with all districts and agencies across the county I had the pleasure of being the guest speaker at the Rotary Club of Simi Sunset, provided an update on the county as well as highlights of what's going on in District 4. Participated in the monthly Moorpark Chamber of Commerce Government Relations meeting. Participated in the Economic Development Collaborative Executive Committee meeting where we authorized the president to sign approval of various grant agreements. I presented a certificate to the third annual Simi Valley Film Fest to last month's moment of inspiration Joseph and Katie participated in the area 805 meeting where we received an update on the collaborative efforts of local stakeholders who also toured.

And we also toured their innovation center site. I participated in the VCTC meeting where we had with many of you approved amendment to the comprehensive transportation plan received a transportation emergency preparedness plan and a rail safety update. And a rail corridor update was all about transportation. Participated in the Moorpark Simi Valley Chamber Networking Breakfast. Participate in ribbon cuttings for Sunray Adult Daycare Healthcare, Sedora Carnelian Learning Place and celebrated the 25th anniversary of Vision Windows and also a ribbon-cutting at The Hive.

I also participate in the Blue Mass service at St. Rose of Lima Church in Simi Valley. Not sure what I want to cut in there for just a second and say, you know, I know a lot of people are very angry right now. There are a lot of people saying some pretty awfully mean inappropriate things but the fact that I went to a church and had some very inappropriate comments written, I just want to share that we need to be nicer. We need to be nicer to each other and start trying to be more united I also volunteered for registration at the For The Troops golf tournament as well as the Boys and Girls Golf Tournament. I participated in the air pollution control meeting where we adopted resolutions to accept community air protection funds, and the funding of agricultural replacement measures for emission reductions from the California Air Resource Support.

I know many of you went to these two that's why it's like I'll just hit them all. I participated in the monthly Ventura Council of Governments meeting where the Ventura County Emergency Services Director Patrick Maynor shared a presentation on the role of elected officials in disaster preparedness and response. It was a very good presentation. We participated in the Simi Valley Teacher of the Month and presented a certificate. Congratulations to Larry Soderlund from Apollo High School.

I spoke and presented a certificate at the Waste Management Ribbing, or WM, that's their new name. Ribbon cutting upon opening of their new renewable natural gas project creating a more sustainable environment by reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Dr. Johnson was also in attendance, so it's really special and incredible investment that they've made in our county.

Met with the Metropolitan Water and Cayugus Water Boards to discuss the Delta water project and other water projects around the county. I also attended a 9-1-1 memorial at Fire Station 41 in Simi Valley, we had donuts at our event. That's real motivation for me to show up at 645 in the morning aside from the fact that I can't they'll never be forgotten. Those firefighters met with Edison to discuss the general rate case, and I want to thank everyone that came to my latest blood drive. We had 52 spots filled. So we got a lot of blood. It was actually a really successful event.

I also presented a certificate to Adventist Health Simi Valley upon their 60th anniversary. I'm almost done. Almost done. I also attended the Simi Valley Filipino Catholic Community Groups Town Festival. That was an amazing event. I wasn't sure what to expect, but there was a lot of dancing and you know they actually dance for the ice cream man. They actually have a dance for that it was incredible and you get ice cream.

I had a tour of the American Jewish University in Simi Valley and learned about their expansion plans. And then, I have two upcoming meetings, one similar to you with Zone Zero. We're going to have a panel of speakers that includes the Assistant Fire Chief Chad Cook, Mayor Dede Cavanaugh from Simi Valley, a representative from Edison and the Ventura Regional Fire Safe Council. So there's a lot going on with fire and the more we can get We're collecting items for the Navy's birthday. For the active military, we're doing a supply drive And for more details on these items, you can go to my website. And then lastly, almost lastly I'm very pleased to announce that the City Council Simi Valley voted unanimously last night to participate in the regional radio system Patrick Maynard He's very, he's very persistent.

Very I have to give it to him and I know the city council members did a great job last night by doing the right thing for their community and doing the right thing overall so I'm very proud of their vote last night. Lastly, I'd like to adjourn this meeting in the memory of the individuals I provided to the clerk of the board. And with that, I'm done. Thank you.

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Roll-call vote Moved by Matt LaVere · Seconded by Vianey Lopez receive on file items 39 and 40
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right a motion to receive on file items 39 and 40 moved by Supervisor LaVere seconded by Supervisor Lopez please vote.

Well I vote yes.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role7:34:21

Oh sorry about that okay uh that passes unanimously thank you. Okay

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:34:31

we're done one more session I guess? We do oh yes

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed7:34:41

Okay.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role7:34:55

Sorry, just confirm I don't think anyone said on the record so we're going to adjourn into closed session. Thank you.

ElectedJanice S. ParvinChair, District 4Proposedvoiceprint 0.727:35:00

Adjourning into closed session.