BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 July 28, 2026

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Pledge of Allegianceceremonial · click to expand · ≈27s recited, not transcribed
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:02

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the El Cajon City Council meeting. The meeting is now called to order and I'd like to ask our city clerk to please call the roll. All council members are present. Would you all please stand with me for the Pledge of Allegiance then remain standing afterwards for a brief moment of silence.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:46

Would you please stand, oh. The city clerk posted order of adjournment of the July 14th 2026 meeting and the agenda of the July 28th 2026 meeting in accordance to state law City Council Housing Authority successor agency to the redevelopment agency policy. We have a presentation on today's agenda for America's 250th celebration. Deputy Director of Parks and Recreation Julie Allen will share this Tell us all about this. Hi, Julie.

PresenterJulie AlonParks and RecreationProposedself-stated3:32

Can you hear me now? There we go. Good afternoon. My name is Julie Alon and I am the Deputy Director of Parks and Recreation. I'm here today to share about some America 250 celebrations that have been taking place this summer We were able to light up the sides of City Hall with our America 250 logo. And I want to give a really big shout out to our facilities maintenance team for all their hard work with these projectors, most of it had to take place after dark and they made it look fantastic.

I'm sure you've seen our street pole banners all around town. We actually did an employee contest for the design of these banners and our junior engineer Kayla Sue was the winner with her wonderful patriotic design here on these banners that you've seen up and down our major roadways. We also placed larger street banners all around the city to market our special America 250 Fourth of July picnic.

On this picture you can also see the large flag on City Hall which our facilities team installed in time for Memorial Day and left it up and displayed until after Independence Day. We had our fourth of July picnic and fireworks at Kennedy Park in celebration of America 250 we kind of Bumped up our event a little bit. We had patriotic stilt walkers, we had lots of games and crafts, America 250 headbands that kids got to decorate, jumpers, train rides, our DJs from 35 Production.

And we had an interactive timeline that highlighted some fun and key events that have taken place over the last 250 years. So guests got to kick off the timeline in 1776 by signing a giant Declaration of Independence They went on to the Louisiana Purchase in 1803. We recognized the completion of the Transcontinental Railroad in 1869 and we even had a little train ticket booth and handed out tickets to our own train ride in the park.

We were gifted the Statue of Liberty in 1886, and of course we highlighted 1912 when El Cajon Incorporated and we handed out that I love El Cajon buttons and pocket constitutions which you should all have up there. In 1920, we celebrated women gaining the right to vote and Americans landing on the moon in 1969. For 1990, we had the creation of the World Wide Web and we had a QR code and you could scan it and see the first ever website that was created. And then the timeline ended in 2026 with America celebrating its 250th birthday.

So moving on with our celebration efforts, we hosted a community-wide Spirit of America decorating contest. So residents all around the city were able to sign up and our panel of judges picked the top three winning houses. First place went to Yvette Delgado with her 250th themed decorations and Ms. Delgado is here today so I'd like to ask her to come on up Thank you.

Okay and then our second place house with pictures of them here went to Richard Strange, and our third place went to Ron and Elizabeth Vallis who couldn't be here today but all of our contestants did a really great job and we do appreciate all their participation. And lastly, we want to thank our sponsors for all of the America 250 celebration efforts. So I believe Mr. Mansour is here today and a few of our other business owners so if you want to come up we have some certificates for you as well.

We want to recognize North Park Produce, Tykes Liquor, Three Brothers Liquor Main Street Market, Fair Valley Liquor Broadway Gas, Main Street Liquor San Diego Cash & Carry Thank you for all your generous donations to help us celebrate. And I just want to thank you all for your support on all these wonderful America 250 celebrations.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:57

Well, first off, thank you very much and the staff for all the work that they did and all of our sponsors. I want to thank all of our sponsors and everybody who's involved in this. It was a great celebration, great fireworks show and it was really exciting for us all to be involved in it. The council might have something to say. Can we say that? Thank you. Oh Gary has something to

CommentRich RyleProposed · by introduction8:29

say. It was wonderful and the American flag On the city building look fabulous. I've gotten so many compliments on that people really, really like that. So I want to thank all the staff for arranging that.

PresenterJulie AlonParks and RecreationProposedself-stated8:46

Thank you. Thanks very much. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed8:55

Okay agenda changes staff do you have any agenda changes?

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction8:58

No sir.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed9:02

That brings us to consent. Consent items are routine matters enacted by one motion according to the recommendation listed below with the concurrence of the City Council, a council member or person in attendance may request discussion of a consent item at this time. Council members do you wish to pull any of the consent items? Which one Mr. Golden? Number four and staff do you wish to pull any consent items?

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction9:27

No sir

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed9:30

Before we go to speaker cards, let's go ahead and talk about number four.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed9:33

Just a quick comment the second amendment and restated disposal agreement otherwise known as SARA with the San Diego Metro Wastewater JPA this is a really important amendment because it kind of tells how we're going to be billed for the metro portion of the wastewater which were transitioning off when we start with the advanced water purification about a year from now. And so, the people at Padre Dam were the last to sign and they actually made some very good suggestions which are good for the city of El Cajon.

Raising the agreement has to be from two-thirds to three-fourths of the members to make any approval and it's very important because as pure water from San Diego comes online, we want to be sure a lot of those costs aren't put into El Cajon's I'd like to thank the City staff, city attorney's office, the TAC committee, technical advisory committee, Ms. Arellano for excellent work there and it really is a better agreement because of Padre Dam's addition so thank you all for very important work. It took a couple years to do so excellent outcome. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed10:52

Thanks Steve. Anybody else want to pull any consent items? Do we have speaker cards for consent items? No speaker cards here. I can make a motion then to approve all of the consent items. Second. Please vote. All right, that brings us, or did you wanna?

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction11:35

Yes a motion carries by unanimous vote.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed11:38

Thanks. All right we're now public comment at this time any person may address the matter within the jurisdiction of the City Council

Agenda Discussionitems moved / continued / pulled, click to expand
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed11:45

Housing Authority successor agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency that's not on the agenda comments relating to items on today's agenda are to be taken at the time that the item is heard please note that state law prohibits discussion or action by the city council on items not on the agenda that you bring up during

public comment therefore This is not a time that the City Council will be answering questions about issues you might raise. However, we are taking note of the matters that you bring to our attention and will refer them to our city manager for follow-up as needed. And of course an item may be placed on a future agenda. Angela do we have any speaker cards under public comment?

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction12:24

Yes sir, we have a total of five. We do have one remote speaker. We will be taking those that are in In person first, and then we'll go to remote. The first in-person speaker is Laurie Debus.

CommentLaurie DebusProposedself-stated12:45

Hi.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed12:47

Hello. Welcome.

CommentLaurie DebusProposedself-stated12:49

Thank you. My name is Laurie Debus and I am here specifically of course I'm going to be fumbling with my notes but to say thank Thank you to all of you for your assistance in our Hamishaw and Gustavo traffic calming measures that we've been addressing over the last four and a half months. I know that everyone that I've worked with has been movers and shakers and very humble group of people and I am Very thankful, very grateful.

So I know this started on March 8th when we had a very serious accident that happened on Hamasho Road and from there a few of us showed up on March 14th for the first City Council meeting and it's kind of rolled from there so So our neighborhood really came together with our own community meeting along with the town hall meetings and the last town hall meeting that we had specifically for our neighborhood brought about the city engineers, city manager, Councilman Steve Gobel and El Cajon PD California Highway Patrol San Diego sheriffs. And Many more, many more that I don't know who they are. But I really wanted to speak to those that were, you know, to give credit to for their staff and that would be the city manager Graham Mitchell and Vince DiMaggio and your staff.

And I would also like to thank Yasmin Arellano For their planning and technical expertise countless hours for everybody putting into this entire process Dave Richards also public information and helping us get our flyers that we distributed out Sorry, I cry when I get

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed15:21

You're doing great. Don't worry

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CommentLaurie DebusProposedself-stated15:47

It's OK. All right. I didn't expect that so I would really like to commend Steve for showing up and meeting with me this past Saturday to speak yet again with Channel 10 News for him being there for moral support. So I'm leaving a lot of things out, I'm sure. But to read from a script is just going to be a little more difficult than what I would like to try and put you all through as well as myself. So thank you very much for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed16:31

Did you need any more time?

CommentLaurie DebusProposedself-stated16:34

No.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed16:35

OK. Thank you so much.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction16:39

Good job. Brenda Hammond. We will call on Mr. Ray Justice.

CommentRay JusticeProposedself-stated17:02

Hi, Mr. Justice. Hi. Welcome. Anyway my name is Ray Justice and I just want to tell you who I am and why I am and what I want to do. And I want to make this as clear as I possibly can is that I want to do everything I can to help the problem on Chase Avenue and everybody on Chase Avenue, on East Chase. And my desire and purpose is to if anything I can do to relieve that traffic congestion on Chase Avenue, I'd appreciate it because I've seen two people killed there in front of the house that I own.

One of them happens to be my wife's grandmother And it was an accident, but nevertheless it was an accident. And we didn't press any charges. We took it as an accident and buried my wife's grandmother. One of my other tenants was there and was crossing the street and got killed. The thing I want to just appreciate what El Cajon has done for me and for the community is the service that they've rendered.

There's one thing I don't understand And that's what happened to me right next door. I think that I'm probably one of the oldest citizens in El Cajon. I think probably have bought more property, more pieces of property and sold in El Cajon and made homes for as many people ever has done in El Cajon. My desire and purpose is what I heard here this morning What's terrific of what the city of El Cajon stands for. They stand for the people they want to do the right thing and that is my desire this morning is to just make it clear to everybody here that it's a pleasure to be a citizen of El Cajon. And even as I sit here and listen to people pouring out their hearts and what they've done for the people of El And I'm not a stranger to El Cajon. I remember some of the dear people that have lived here are coming and going.

I thought of different people that lived here in El Cajon, raised their families here. Debbie D Hall, Willie Carroll, Bill's Barbershop. I've been here since I was 16 years old and I probably bought more and sold more houses. As a consequence, alcohol has been really good to me and the only thing that I don't quite understand is that my neighbor next door, I cannot communicate with them. I've tried and it's impossible. And to my understanding that the reason they put that complex in there in the first place is because you got special permission from the forefathers of El Cajon.

But in the meantime, they give them this special permission to build this complex under one condition, that they take care of their own water. And now they've come in there and tore down the wall and replaced And the water problem that comes over on my property now is twice as bad as it ever was. I appreciate everything alcohol has done for me, but what's happened recently has made things worse and I appreciate any help that I can get to take care of my tenants.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed20:29

Thank you for bringing this to our attention Mr. Justice. We very much appreciate it.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction20:33

Brenda Hammond?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed20:45

Brenda

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed20:47

or balloons. Yeah OK I was wearing this today my El Cajon Fire Department shirt. I love it but it got hot so I had to put on a dress but I wanted to say I'm not going to be here later because I have another meeting to go to but I got this at Parkway Plaza yesterday. This beautiful dress and I don't know why people don't shop there And I don't know what's going to happen on the agenda later but.

I'm not going to tell you where I got it because I want you to walk through there and appreciate what's there and appreciate the history that's when you walk into the management the office manager or the office managers the history on those walls are beautiful. You guys should check it out just say thank you historical society.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed21:42

Thank you Brenda.

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CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction21:47

Next speaker is Rich Ryle. Hello

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed21:54

Mr. Ryle, welcome.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:55

Thank you. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. In 2002 then City Councilman now Mayor Wells was listed as a board member of the CDC which was later replaced by the downtown partners to manage the PBIT. Since that time Wells has never recused himself because of a possible conflict of interest The partners began managing the P-BID in 2011. In 2017, Graham Mitchell was hired as Assistant City Manager and in 2018 he became city manager. Public records show Mitchell as a board member of the P-BID in 2019. 2022, Mitchell hired Marco LaMandri at New City America through a no bid consulting contract to review the downtown business partner's operation and present a report to the city council. They failed to report that it was suspended by the California for non-payment of taxes and that they have no records.

In February, Mitchell, LaMandri, and NCA presented that report to the city. The report said the PBID board should use the $150,000 annual management fee allocation to hire outside management and that this should happen soon. Ten months later, on December 9th, an RFP for $150,000 was issued by Michoud acting outside his scope of authority. The result was a process that was never authorized by any elected official. This is a crime! I have reported this crime to all of you. In the first months of 2025, the partners selected LaMandri to be the executive director of the PBIB. In 2025, NCA and the business partners in another no-bid contract Selected NCA to form a CBD to succeed the PBIT. Last month, Lomandrie refused to comply with public records requests seeking NCA's work product on the CBD certification.

These questions are directed at the city attorney. Must Mayor Wells recuse himself from any vote or decision involving the PBIP because of his prior board role with the CDC that was later replaced by the business partners? Were the meetings, discussions and decisions leading to the December 9th 2024 RFP conducted in compliance with the Brown Act? Was the RFP properly authorized by a noticed vote or meeting of the downtown business partners or the city? Did Mitchell, LeMandri or other participants violate conflict of interest laws by participating in the issues of the RFP?

Is LeMandri required to disclose the requested NCA product relating to the CBD certification? Six without proper disclosure of the certification. Can the city move forward with agenda item six in light of all the facts that I have disclosed? Would you recommend that the City Council pull items six from today's agenda members of the City Council delaying the vote will save the cities tens of millions of dollars in potential lawsuits concerning the actions of LaMandry and Mitchell if you're not part of the problem be part of the solution pull agenda item six from today's meeting

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:04

Thank you gentlemen

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed25:05

and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:05

ladies. Mr. Mitchell I just would like to say for the record, I've never been on the board of the CDC and I have never attended a meeting

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed25:14

ever.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction25:21

Sir we received two more in-person speaker cards so and we still have the one remote. The next speaker is Ryan Pham

PresenterDr Ryanmeasure the air community center and thousands of community members that we servProposedself-stated25:39

Well

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:40

welcome.

PresenterDr Ryanmeasure the air community center and thousands of community members that we servProposedself-stated25:40

Thank you. Good afternoon again honorable council members and mayor I'm Dr Ryan fan here representing measure the air community center and thousands of community members that we serve this is our fourth time speaking at city council specifically about this issue to again respectfully urge you to recognize more than 25,000 of your Middle Eastern and North African constituents as I've said before we've already drafted a resolution With city staff and we're still asking you to agendize this resolution. We're a little concerned that the straightforward request is being met with hesitation in a city where it has the highest concentration of Arab Americans in the entire state, federal and state budget and policy changes have led to further delays and obstructions to the implementation of a category on the 2030 census And our state bill is getting delayed by state and local agencies.

Local resolutions are a necessary step in demonstrating support for our communities and your constituents, they also send a message to state and federal officials that accurate data will better represent serve and inform the city's residents and decision makers. In a recent workshop, we asked community members to share about their experiences being invisibilized in the data. I'm going to share one quote today from Noor, a high school student of Syrian and Jordanian heritage. She said, as a resident of El Cajon, I have seen that many Arab students in our schools don't receive the language support that they need to succeed. From my own experience when I first came to the US and started school, I didn't know a single word of English. I wish there had been a single teacher or staff member who spoke

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed27:14

I was trying to turn you up in my speaker.

PresenterDr Ryanmeasure the air community center and thousands of community members that we servProposedself-stated27:24

Cheers, thank you. Okay from my own experience when I first came to the US and started school I didn't know a single word of English. I wish there had been a teacher or staff member who spoke Arabic and could help me. I struggled to understand my classes and when my teachers asked me questions I couldn't answer because they didn't even understand what they were saying that made me feel embarrassed and different from the other students One of my friends went through a very similar experience. When she arrived, there were no Arabic-speaking teachers or staff at her school and she was expected to take standardized exams without understanding the instructions. She couldn't explain her needs because of language barrier.

This affected both her education and her confidence. Later, she transferred to another school where there was actually an Arabic speaking teacher and that support helped her succeed, graduate, and feel like she belonged. I believe that recognizing Middle Eastern and North African communities in government data will help schools provide the necessary support and resources that students need so that no child has to go through the same challenges that we experienced. I respectfully urge the City Council to agendize and pass the MENA resolution.

And again, thank you for your consideration. We look forward to seeing you at the next city council meeting on August 11th.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:31

Thank

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction28:31

you. Next speaker is Samsam Fadil

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed28:46

Good evening mayor and council members. It's great to meet with you all again this afternoon, two weeks ago I provided a public comment detailing my own lived experiences within the community college system and how representation provides continuous support. In the past, at the Medjdal Center we have organized workshops with students and other community members to support our advocacy efforts.

One comment in particular that stood out to me was when a student was asked if they have ever felt unsure whether they qualified for scholarships programs or funding based on how their racial identity or ethnic identity was categorized The student responded and I quote, yes. When I first heard about CAPWA, I was keen to join but hesitated because it was for Asian American Pacific Islanders and I wasn't sure if I counted as Asian or even if I was able to participate in the program because if they were able to participate in the program then it would enhance their academic success.

However, despite being Afghan which is Central Asian they have to consider whether they can qualify for a resource. Which is a question that their counterparts don't have to face. We also asked if they could identify someone at school who supports them and understands their culture and language. The same student responded and said, I don't know anyone in college who speaks my language including faculty members or professors.

Honestly, I've never even thought about having that kind of support because not having it just became normal to me. After asking the same question to another student, they said there are classmates that I have met and befriended. One is Iraqi Chaldean and my other friend is from Algeria. We can relate and help each other better understand class material when communicating in Arabic.

Despite the student not being able to reference an authority figure like a teacher or a staff member, they were able to identify some of their peers. Having the sense of community with individuals that they can relate to is important. However, having that representation from an authority figure who can be an advocate for them in higher settings is crucial. It's also unfortunate to hear that the students said it has become normal to them.

Not being represented in academia and not having access to the same resources that other students are provided should never be normalized but by not advocating for the implementation of the MENA category you are indirectly saying that the representation from MENA communities does not matter and that stories like this one student shared should continue to be normalized. So I kindly ask that you add our MENA resolutions to the agenda. Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed31:29

Thank you.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction31:32

And the last speaker participating remotely is Truth.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed31:45

All right, hi there City of El Cajon it's Truth here to test your telephonic system since you had no takers during the last meeting that's criminal. The planning system was simple until the adding and picking the agenda items part because if someone accidentally signs up for the wrong item, they pretty much be doomed during the meeting. They have to rush to sign up. It's not going to happen. So it'd be really helpful and more accurate to include the item title with a number since it's easy to get numbers confused.

Now for the record I was against all salary increases because Michelle was spot on about bad optics during budget cuts and reserve dipping so good on y'all for doing the right thing and denying it I also do not support the MENA resolution simply because it sounds like its backers are mostly political and politically motivated. I do support a change in federal labeling, so I'm going to recommend D.C..

Now last meeting Steve brought up selling recycled toilet water then it being dumped into Clean Lake Jennings. Water rates are essentially reflecting the double paying for both the City of San Diego's Metro Impure Water and the East County Toilet Water Projects. This is because nobody wants to invest in reservoirs and dam infrastructure left neglected for decades. There is no drought when millions of gallons of pure, natural clean water is dumped every day out of Lake Hodges for no legitimate reason. Metro should be giving away that water for the cost of labor rather than wasting it. I was also alerted to a 2022 memorandum of understanding between the East County City and the county of San Diego. Why would the city of Elkhorn approve of a harmful MOU that reads The parties agree that it is beneficial for all of them to pursue efforts that align with Housing First principles.

All parties desire low barrier emergency housing and facilities within each jurisdiction, to identify potential locations within the city of El Cajon for low-barrier emergency housing, to seek the establishment of permanent supportive housing within the city of El Cajon, et cetera. Housing First and Low Barrier means drug addicts get taxpayer funded homes and never have a requirement to get clean and sober Besides the toxic state grant that was rightly rejected, has the city denounced and rescinded this MOU in its spelled ideas and policies yet? If not why not. It needs to happen ASAP because it's unacceptable that this MOU was ever signed. And I'm going to put that document into the public record next time.

In related slash unrelated its 9th at table has finally been set out on Main Street. Sometimes I've taken my meal to Prescott Promod which of course has not been kept clear of homelessness They don't tend to be much of a problem but when the only place to sit in downtown are benches used as beds it's not exactly a desired experience. So what will prevent these tables from becoming the same experience? Because I'd love to have somewhere to eat my falafel sandwiches and salsa or pizzas when it's not 90 degrees outside. As in why did the city wait until hot summer to put those tables out that was a rookie move. The Pac-Man graphic shows the summer sun eating into my chamber of sitting outside in the heat I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed34:46

just want to congratulate you for being our first one. But she's gone. All right is that it then? That's it okay great There are no written communications on today's agenda. There are no public hearings on today's agenda. We have three administrative reports on today's agenda, item six is a resolution of intent to establish a downtown El Cajon community benefit and staff will tell us about this.

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GuestNate PrescottCity ManagerProposedself-stated35:41

Good afternoon, Mayor and members of the City Council. I'm Nate Prescott. I am a Senior Management Analyst here in the City Manager's Office and I represent the city on the Board of Directors for the Downtown El Cajon Business Partners which is a property-based improvement district here in the city so instead of renewing that PBID we are choosing to create a new community benefit district instead So first off, I want to give you some background since this has been a work in progress for awhile.

In 2011 the city formed the Downtown El Cajon Property Based Improvement District or the PBID to improve and promote the economic well-being of downtown El Cajon. In April 2026, I presented to you all about the next phase of the district and the City Council authorized staff to vote in support of the petition to create a new community benefit district in downtown El Cajon Now, taking a little step back to 2023.

In 2023 after receiving guidance from the city council staff issued an RFP to analyze the PBID's progress. New City America won the bid and was hired for the analysis. That analysis was presented to the city council in 2024 with recommendations for the city and for the downtown El Cajon business partners. Their report showed that current PBID law was becoming obsolete and didn't provide for the transformational dynamic that's seen in successful and thriving downtowns. So they recommended that the city adopts a community benefit district enabling ordinance, which we did.

And the other recommendations were sent to the Downtown El Cajon Business Partners. The recommendations for the... Sorry. The recommendations for the Downtown El Cajón Business Partners included expanding the board of directors to add representatives from organizations like the Marriott and the Magnolia, which we've done The recommendations also included expanding events beyond the Cajon Cruise and Music on Main, which we've done. And in two weeks at the next city council meeting you'll be receiving a presentation from the downtown El Cajon business partners about their Alley Cat Art Fest event that's going to be coming up in September.

And lastly to improve operations and management They recommended that they should hire a full time executive director to remove the management burden from overworked volunteer board members. So from this final recommendation, the Board of Directors for the downtown El Cajon business partners authorized an RFP for district management services. They sent it out. They received four proposals and voted to hire New City America to manage the district and advise the board. Marco LaMandri is the Executive Director of the Downtown El Cajon Business Partners, and he's here to answer any questions that City Council might have.

Now I wanted to give you some more general background info on community benefit districts. It's been a while since we put that enabling ordinance through and so wanted to give you a refresher. Community benefit districts are independent organizations that oversee a specific area with specific goals and intentions. So the Downtown El Cajon Business Partners Oversee a specific area in downtown Oklahoma and their goals and intentions include street maintenance and beautification above and beyond what the city provides.

Events in downtown marketing for the area and its businesses and more. The district is its own independent organization and the city doesn't have direct control over it. Districts are funded through special assessments on property owners The property owners have an extra line on their property tax bill for this assessment and the money goes to the downtown El Cajon business partners. It can only be spent on bettering the district. The city works with the county to collect that money, but it's all sent to the downtown El Cajon business partners and it's required to be spent benefiting the people who are paying that assessment.

And lastly districts they're not a subsidiary of the city. They're specific there are separate legal entity think of them like the water district. They operate in El Cajon. They use they work with our taxpayers but we don't necessarily control what they do day to day. The city's ongoing role in these districts if there were more the ongoing role is pretty minimal most of our role happens in the creation stage The city's role is to authorize the creation of these districts through an enabling ordinance, then issuing official ballots when the petitions are complete.

Holding a public hearing regarding the creation of the district and creating a resolution of formation that would create the district. The City Council makes it legal for a district to exist but then after that it's up to the property owners in the district to manage themselves We don't have much direct authority over it. The city is involved with the district and we're on the board of directors because we are property owners in the district not just because we're the city and their districts. We actually own property in the district so we have a say in what goes on.

So now with all that background we can move on to today's business. In April the City Council voted to authorize the city manager or designee to vote yes in the petition to create a new community benefit district in downtown El Cajon The downtown El Cajon business partners received the necessary amount of supportive petitions to move forward and those petitions are on file with the city clerk.

Now we're back for the next part of our process which is to have the City Council receive this presentation on a resolution of intent, to authorize the city clerk to mail the ballots and to authorize the city manager or designee to vote yes in the official ballot And then after that, the property owners have 45 days to vote and in support or against the creation of this district.

At the end of the 45 days, the city will hold a public meeting in relation to this issue. The City Council can consider approving the 2027 Management District Plan and consider adopting the resolution of intent. After all this happens, city staff will open all the ballots, record them in a public setting, and everything will be official from there. So our staff's recommendation to the City Council is that you receive the report and petition drive results, that you adopt the next resolution in order to approve the resolution of intent to set a public hearing and direct the ballots to be mailed to affected property owners and to authorize the city manager or designee to vote yes on the city's ballot in support for the creation of the downtown El Cajon Community Benefit District.

And that you accept the management district plan and the engineer's report for the proposed community benefit districts. Now before we conclude, Angela our city clerk can give us a status update on the petitions.

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CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction42:40

Sir I just want to confirm that yesterday we did, I did receive the petition for the CBD it has been available in the City Clerk's office for review and I do have a copy in case anyone from the public wishes to review that today.

GuestNate PrescottCity ManagerProposedself-stated42:56

Thank you all. If you have any questions, I'm here to answer questions or Marco LaMandri is here to answer questions about the district as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed43:04

Questions? No thank you. Did a good job. Appreciate it. Angela we have a speaker card.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction43:14

Yes sir, we have one from Rich Ryle

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed43:24

First of all, I'd like to point out you don't have any legal opinions. What you have is staff working for their own best interest to create more money. First of all, nowhere in the PBID law does it authorize the use of the PBID funds to create another CBD. I didn't see it and I think that would be a legitimate challenge if nothing else. Nowhere has anybody And you just received the petitions today. I never got a chance to review the petitions when you're doing election work The first thing that you want to do in an election is you want to see the process how the process was done whether they made any mistakes? I asked for it Last last month he had that information and then he says no, I'm not going to give you the product I won't give you the product.

I'm gonna give it to the city and again LaMandry He's got this great contract with you guys. I mean, he got it illegally. Nobody addresses the issue. It was illegal. You never authorized the city manager to issue an RFP for $150,000. Now here's what I'd like to suggest that you do. I would like to suggest that you receive the report and petition drive results. And that you direct the city clerk to tell the PBID to give me all of the information that was used to create, and who the people, I don't even know who signed the petitions. I want to go back to the people who signed the petitions and make sure they are aware that they're going to increase their taxes by 200-400%. That's in the memos.

from Graham Mischel saying how are we going to sell this thing when we're selling it at 200% to 400% increase in taxes. Now, how hard is it to stop the madness here and investigate what I have said is wrong here? Three of you are up for election. You're going to have to go before the voters Mitchell has already cost you $100,000 in his misplaced belief that the PBIB does not apply under the Brown Act. We all know that's wrong and he wasted $100,000 of your money and then he gets in bed with a man who has A savory past. He's been investigated for two years by the FBI and the San Diego County District Attorney, yet he gets a no-bid contract. You guys spent $200,000 on this guy to get to this point today, to where we are today. Please don't make me sue you and believe me I don't want to go out there and hire another attorney and sue to overturn this action but I'm telling you right now you don't have legal authority to bring this forward and so I'm going to leave it to you again.

Remember, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. If you vote to go forward, you created the problem and it's on you when you talk to the voters. Thank you.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction46:29

Sir we received another comment, a remote comment from Truth. Just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed46:34

one second, I want to talk to Graham Mitchell real quick. We're being accused of wasting $150,000 and for hiring Mr. LaMandri wasn't the P bid that hired Mr. LaMandri?

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction46:47

He's he did we did the city to hire him to do a study of the P bid generally that was under my authority approved budgeted by the City Council so there was full approval there then The P-BID issued an RFP as Mr. Prescott mentioned, there was four bidders and the P-BID board chose New City America to be the executive director. I'm not quite sure what $100,000 he's referring to.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed47:19

But just to be clear it was the P-bid that entered into contract with Mr. Lemandrieu's group?

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction47:26

That is correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed47:28

Not the city of El Cajon? That is correct. Okay. We have another speaker.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction47:34

Yes we have a remote caller, Truth.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed47:43

Hello Truth.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed47:48

Hi there I actually did not sign up for this item but you know what that's okay because I do have a thought about it. I just had two quick thoughts and that is I am a little bit concerned about businesses having another tax Now, I did kind of skim it. I don't think the tax is seen as extreme, but that's right now. What about later? If the PBIT actually finds a lot of value at first raising in value of the property and the existence of itself what are those taxes going to look like because there's a lot of small businesses on Main Street. And I am a little bit concerned in the future how that's gonna play out if it's kinda gonna result in gentrification I'm a little bit concerned for small business how that's going to end up for them in the long run, but I think overall could be a positive thing.

Yeah, a little more transparency. Oh that was the other point. Transparency. A little more transparency because I did...I was concerned about that too. The clerk says there's new information suddenly available you do need to provide that to the public so i would just ask is it available online right now and when what time was it available online because I think legally you have to have it within what 48-72 hours? I could be wrong but that's generally the rule uh so thanks

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed49:27

Thanks, truth. That's it? OK. Back to City Council for discussion or somebody like to make a motion?

CommentTykes LiquorProposed · by introduction49:47

Yeah, I'll make a motion to receive the report. Adopt the resolution to approve the resolution of intent to set a public hearing and direct the ballots to be mailed to affected property owners. And doesn't need the city manager. Or does it need about yes in the city's ballot and support the creation of downtown Community Benefit District? And I'll make my final motion to accept the management district plan and the engineers report proposed for CBD.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed50:19

It's been moved and seconded, please vote.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction50:29

Motion carries by unanimous vote.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed50:32

Thank you. Item seven is an update on social services and business incubator programs. And I'd like to ask our staff to tell us about this.

GuestRyan Villegas I'mCity ManagerProposedself-stated51:03

Hi there, good afternoon Honorable Mayor and City Council. My name is Ryan Villegas I'm a senior management analyst in the city manager's office today this report will be an update on the social services and the business incubator projects or programs that are at 405 East Lexington Avenue. So here's a quick roadmap of where we're going to be going today. I'm going to provide a recommendation first, then I'll go into background. I'll give an update on the status of the building improvements and then I'll actually hand off the presentation to the Caldean Community Council who will provide updates on the two programs that are over there.

All right so since the CCC is going to be closing out the presentation I just wanted to start with the recommendation this is for report purposes only so no action will be taken so the recommendations that the City Council accepts the report All right, so as a background in early 2024 the city purchased the property at 405 East Lexington Avenue using ARPA funds. A couple months later the city entered into two five-year lease agreements with the Caldean Community Council following an RFP. One is for social services at the location and the other one is to administer or operate a small business incubator.

The small business incubator agreement does have a three year program review which will take place next May. And then a quick background or status update on the building improvements. So when the building was purchased back in 2024, it was understood that tenant improvements needed to take place. That bid closed earlier this month and a recommendation toward the contract is coming in a separate report that'll be just after this one.

And construction's anticipated to begin in September and then wrap up in November which will be in time to meet the ARPA deadline of December 31st to expend all remaining ARPA funds. And then separately the city was recently notified that it was awarded a one million dollar community project funding grant through HUD. That grant is a reimbursement grant compared to ARPA which that money was front loaded if you also this one's reimbursement.

City staff is still understanding the program requirements sitting through monthly webinars there's going to be an environmental review project scope and budget that will also need to be developed And since this HUD grant is specifically designated for the 405 East Lexington project or property and it cannot be used elsewhere. However any action under that, any action cannot be taken until after the ARPA funds are concluded so not till after November or December of this year and so staff anticipates the earliest drawdown to be late next year even into 2028.

And with that, I'll actually invite up Dr. Nori Barka with the Chaldean Community Council and then he'll introduce his staff and then provide updates on the two programs there. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed54:01

Hello Dr. Barka.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed54:05

Good evening. So I'm here to present An activity report about what we do at the Caldeon Community Council, our services and activity based on the RFP that we did with El Cajon City in 2024. So first, we're going to talk about our social service program. So I'll give you an update on how many people are serving and actually, I got specific question from the city they asked me to answer them so I'm going to follow the city question and answer them one by one and then we can discuss.

So if I can get the next slide please? Oh it's here, sorry. Okay thank you. So basically, I'm going to start with about us and then talk about the social service and then talk about the incubator. And then the staff which represent their point of view on their update to you too. Basically our mission, we are dedicated to delivering social services to individuals and community in need.

So basically we serve everybody. We don't limit our service to any group or ethnicity or religious. So basically we are open to help everybody comes to our center And we do different programs that were housing, job training, health care placement, business development and others that we help people with. As simple as people come to us just to read a letter they cannot understand it and we help them to understand the meaning of that letter.

Our vision is A future where every individual has the opportunity to achieve independence. So our goal is to assimilate people, especially refugees and newcomers and our focus really in community from Middle East that represent our main client that we serve in El Cajon. And if you know, El Cajon and East County has a big number of these refugees coming from Iraq and other countries, from Syria, from Afghanistan, and from everywhere else. We try to help them with all their needs at our center.

So this is going to give you an idea about the number of people we serve since we did the agreement with you in 2024 till today. So we served 16,921 people since we signed the agreement with the city of El Cajon. And annually that represent around 7,000 families a year that we are serving and helping in different ways. We can serve up to 25,000 based on what we have. Our staff because that was one of the questions the city asked us what is our capacity?

We have 15 staff members and volunteers working every day at our center. And based on this number, we can serve up to 25,000 people annually. And basically these numbers showing you month by month, it's not very maybe clear for you but before even like COVID time we used to serve around 2,000 people a month and there was a lot of need for our service. But now you can see still like we are doing and this what we do here actually we are only working part-time So we work from 10 to 2, because we cannot afford keeping our staff full time. So we decided to only work four hours a day and keeping our staff.

And actually, we were going to cut staff at the beginning of the year because we didn't have fund. And most of the staff that we talked to and we're telling them sorry, we cannot afford to keep you They were crying. They didn't want to leave and they are here, and they said we're not going to leave even if you force us to leave. They switched from being employee to being volunteer.

So I really appreciate these people because they have the passion and the love to help people and they saw what we are doing is very genuine so we thank them for that. So I mentioned to you that we can run up to 25,000 people a year. We don't have enrollment. Basically, I'm just answering the city questions basically. There is no waiting list. We serve everybody that come to our door and they walk in appointment.

Sometimes people are referred to us by other groups And the service we provide, the democratic distribution and so basically we serve newcomer refugees, immigrants, senior youth, low income family individuals with limited English proficiency, job seekers, small business owners, families at risk. All of these people. And we provide service to people seeking assistance regardless of their race, ethnicity and like I told you about that.

And these are the areas that we help people with application form, benefit enrollment, housing assistance, employment assistance, immigration, translation, health education, family support and community resources. And again, this is a detailed area of services that we provide. Social service housing and we're going to have people talking about the housing part and also the workforce development, education, economic development, community education.

And emergency needs assistance, we help people with low income. Sometimes they need help with food and even paying rent, we help them with that. So about the question about the duration, and there is no standard duration participation and service are provided based on the individual and family needs. And people can return anytime they need assistance. That's another question the city ask us.

So the outcome at least over the last since we started our contract with you We were able to find jobs for at least 200 people through different kind of partnership with the Cajon Valley School District. We did at least four job fairs with Cajon Valley School District and we were able to help or hire at least 100 bilingual because this school district needed people to help them, and they were looking for qualified candidates Help the school district to hire these people. Also, we work very closely with the PCG and We help you know, we hired people for PCG and we you know find Basically candidate for other businesses within partnership with the PCG And also we do we receive calls from many businesses and sometimes people calling us they are looking for a job So we try to find them a match based on their resume and their qualification.

And I can tell you just my company like Cal Biotech, we have hired maybe at least 40 people through the, you know, the people asking or looking for a job. I'd hire them at Cal Biotech or hire them somewhere else because they have a degree, they have biology or chemistry and we do all of that. We have a program helping people with housing. And we just started this relationship with San Diego Foundation, like three months ago we started the contract with San Diego Foundation and based on the program we have housing navigation system.

One of our candidates is going to talk to you about it, the way we are helping family at risk with finding houses and helping them and supporting them with the deposit of the housing and also buying furniture. And this is based on our relationship with San Diego Foundation. Also we have a program with the community health worker, and again we help people with that. And this is another program we have contracted with San Diego Foundation. So besides that, we get people at our door at the end of the month and they need rent supplement like you know the rent in El Cajon Even this one-bedroom apartment could cost you $2,000.

And many people they cannot afford it. They don't have money to pay 2,000 so they are short of money. So we have some of our community members, they supplement these people like they come... We have a list. We can share with you a list of many families that come every month to us and they need 500, you know, to pitch in to help them with their rent And we pay them, 300. We have recorded all of that every month. Every person come, we get their driver's license and they sign, they receive this much money from our center. This money is donated by our community, by our business owner.

And I can mention one of them, he's one of the biggest donors, Robert Zucker. He owns a mercury business in El Cajon and every month this guy is helping us, is helping his family so I want to thank him for that. You know, we have another program. Chaldean Radio has been helping our people since 2017. We have over 84,000 followers on Chaldean Radio and this Chaldean Radio program was very powerful during COVID time and even I Our Mayor Bill Wells and many of the City Council members, they were on the Caldeon Radio and they were talking about, you know, the impact on COVID and what to do and what not to do. So this program has helped thousands of people to educate our people, to educate our community especially that time because we were kind of afraid because most of our people live in apartments in El Cajon and they are used to get together every day.

So one building has 20 apartment, 18 of them are Chaldean Middle Israel and these people they're used to socialize like the husband goes to work and the wife and the children are at home and they get together so this was one of the thing we were trying to get people to limit No social distance. So anyhow, we did a lot of work during that time and we keep our program is still going and actually we expanded it.

And one of the thing that we did now and Ryan mentioned about the hut is to expand our program from becoming just like California Radio. We are doing based on the fund where receiving a program called MPBS so we're creating a channel Like KPBS, MPBS. MPBS will distribute program in different language to all over United States. Different program that will help educate and communicate with different communities whatever background they have. So basically we'll call it Middle Eastern Broadcasting Services And there is no channel like that in the United States. So it's going to be the first channel that we can provide this kind of service and a part of our program is to hook with FEMA so when there is an alert from FEMA, we're gonna give this alert to all these people in their language.

So this will be an extra service and we are proud that this is gonna be from El Cajon all over United States which is an amazing project and we were approved by, you know as an earmark by Congress. The funding is for $1 million to establish public broadcasting service channels which is gonna be an amazing service to our community educating them and besides doing all the other thing that we can do to help their businesses and to help these communities.

So all of that, as a board we are all volunteer and you know we have one executive director that's on salary. And since 2017 total grant received by our council is close to 900,000 almost 100,000 a year and imagine a team of 15 people with all the things that we are doing and averaging 100,000. So actually the first like five years maybe we didn't have any fund. We were just depending on ourselves. We were pitching in, we were donating, we didn't ask, we didn't apply for a grant even but now because we are doing more thing, we had to go and apply for a grant So that's the reason we got, this is you can see 2025. We received 130,000 in a grant for the whole year. 2026, we receive 140,000. Our payroll is 240,000 How can you manage?

We have to pay. We have to donate. We have to help. That's what we do. It's not, we cannot depend on government money and we cannot cut our program. Like even when I tell you, I sat down with these people and tell them please, we cannot pay you anymore. to pay this salary because we cut the time 50%. They don't want to leave. So, we appreciate that these people are really helping and becoming involved.

So when we get this award from the city it was a big help for us. Imagine if we had to pay rent If we didn't get the RFP, we would be out of business by now. We wouldn't be able to continue serving all these people. So the city really saved this organization and through this program, through these people that are sitting here, we were able to help thousands of families.

It's a lot of work And your involvement, you are a part of it because you did the right thing. You help us keep going and we thank you for that. So the board of director, we don't only provide support but also we built a strong foundation and collaboration like a part of it with the city of El Cajon. And these are example of our partners like in many ways and we do different program like we have a program with the El Cajon Police Department one of their police Representatives, they come to our office every month and they meet people. They meet family and we schedule their time.

They confidentially, they talk to them and they share their issue, their story, their problem, their counseling. The same thing we do with the DA Office. We have representation from D.A. office to meet people and talk about their issue, domestic violence and other things like that. We have very good relations with EDC, with the Cross Money Union High School District, with the Cajon Valley Union High School District, with the Catholic Charity, San Diego Foundation, for sure with El Cajon City, we mentioned that.

And San Ysidro Health, we have a program with San Ysidro Health. We are starting a project that we're going to serve seniors. It's called Alternative Day Care Center. Seniors will have a place in El Cajon for senior daily program. We provide breakfast, lunch and social activity. And we are in the final stage of having this program going and starting, so... We work with UCSD, we work with Autism Society because we have many cases of autism in our community beyond the normal level.

For some reason people coming from Iraq they have higher percentage of autism. So I mean You can see all these people are helping us somehow in doing this collaboration. Like San Diego Foundation is paying the salary of two of our employees, which is helping us a lot. So we tried to find ways to continue to survive. And this is some picture that we can show our team and our board, and a part of what we do.

This is when I mentioned Marcel is going out and basically he get product and food from donors, from company. You know we have many businesses in El Cajon and we start this idea of helping community distributing product and actually one of our partners Alexis she worked with us and we bring the food and the product and she takes it and distribute it. She's helping us with that She's doing an amazing job in helping many families in East County.

So now we talk about small business incubator. Again, our mission with the small business incubator is to help as a community council. We want to help everybody. We want to help start-up company. We want to help entrepreneur and people with ideas so we can increase the number of businesses in El Cajon and empower our city. That was the main idea. I presented this idea to the City Council in 2015.

And we work hard, we couldn't find a location but now we have a location that we are working hard to start this project. So basically our mission is to empower entrepreneur to give them the opportunity to basically start their businesses and develop their business idea and build El Cajon make it a better city for everybody. The program involved giving free workspace, business setup, business mentoring, networking, marketing, brandings, websites, social media management, videos. All the things that the businesses need to basically start and develop and we work very closely with EDC to help in their side so if you want a corporation LLC or S Corp whatever they are going to help us with that So we have some challenges here because first, we have been preparing the building to suit the incubator and for one of our engineers here is helping us, Sinan.

So I think now we are almost close with the bidding process and hiring a contractor to build the incubator site and make section for every company that they can have office space. So that part is not ready, the incubator space now is demolished we cannot use it so we cannot bring people basically to use the incubator as a space because our main goal and the main like incentive to these companies is to give them office space but we don't have it. It's not ready The other challenge is access to capital.

Most of these people, when they come, they need seed money and this is what we are facing. They said I want to start, I need 10,000, 20,000 whatever and there is no funding in our incubator program or setup. We don't have a funding resource So that's a challenge we are facing. People, they come to us and they said I want to start this project but I need this much money.

Hopefully at one point when we have the building ready, when we have the setup ready, we can look for people like investors. We tell people like the candidate provide me a business plan. I can take it to these investors Hopefully they buy your idea and they invest in your project. So whenever the incubator facility is ready, this could be another thing we are gonna push for but at this point these are the challenges we are facing for the incubator part and we know that the lease for the incubators is gonna end next year but to be honest with you We haven't been able to do much because it took a long time, 2024 till now.

We don't have the building ready because the process takes a long time we understand that and this is federal money that you cannot spend just like that. You have to follow the procedure and hire the right contractor and it takes time so it's been like two years. So we have candidate coming and we are trying to help them in different way. Mainly with social media management, helping them with website, helping them. We develop an app for, we call it El Cajon Small Business Directory.

So we're building a business directory that people can go online and search for the business if you need a plumber just Put plumber and then you get all the plumber list that, you know. So this is an easy app that people can follow. They can put their business owner, put their business card, put their video, put whatever they need. And so our team built this concept. They build the app beside building website, doing reels, doing videos.

And we're going to talk about it with some of our staff. They are gonna share with you. Now, again we're going to have a story of impact. You know, from our team members and our executive director Juliana Giorgis is with us. And she's going to tell you a little bit about what we do and when it comes to serving people. And Juliana besides being our executive director she also she's an elected official of the Cajon Valley School District so she's helping both sides Basically, one of the idea that we are putting together there is we're working with a new group now called Chaldean Chamber of Commerce. They are starting a chapter in San Diego. Basically they are in Michigan and we're working very closely with this group to build or to merge together to help our people and one of the program we call it Chaldean Giving Back.

This is like a bus The theme, this bus will go around and you can see inside the bus there is like a grocery store. And we go to low income community where people are in need. People can go inside this bus and they shop for free. This is what we call it Chaldean giving back. We believe that Chaldean, they came here. They were refugees. They were poor. And they came with no money.

But Chaldean day after day they are growing. Their businesses are growing in El Cajon and East County. We have 10,000 families. We own 2,000 businesses. 20% of our families are business owners. This kind of program with the Chamber of Commerce, we want to be able to tell our community not only El Cajon. We go everywhere and we want to share with our people.

Share blessing that we receive from this country. We came here poor. We came here needy. We came here with nothing. We fleed our country. El Cajon helped us to grow El Cajon became our house. El Cajon became our city and our children went to school, and our children become doctors, attorneys, professionals from the city. So we appreciate everything the city is doing for us.

And we appreciate the opportunity that the city is allowing us to serve people who are in need because of this RFP that you help us with. So I would like to thank you for that. Thank you so much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:24:11

Well, thank you Dr. Berger. Hello Joanna.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:24:23

Thank you. Good evening Mayor City Council. Today I'm not here to talk about numbers programs or statistics. I'm here to talk about people Every day someone walks through our doors carrying a burden that they cannot carry alone. When they come to the Chaldean Community Council or our center, we don't just offer services. We welcome them with compassion, we listen, we encourage, we remind them they're not alone.

Yes, we help people find jobs, housing, healthcare resource but what we really provide is hope We help people believe in themselves again and take the first step toward a better future. As the Executive Director, I can proudly say that we are not just measuring success by numbers. We are changing lives. Together we build a stronger El Cajon And I would like to thank you for believing in our mission and helping us continue this life-changing work.

And I would like to introduce Andrew also. I kept it short because I know everyone will talk about their role and what we do, and then if you have any question, we can answer all the questions after the presentation. Thank you, Andrew.

CommentAndrew WhitneyProposedself-stated1:25:54

Good evening council members mayor. Thank you very much for having us my name is Andrew Whitney I have been at the Caldean Community Council for almost a year it'll be a year in September and One of the things that I can truly say is that? being an English speaker first Some of the people that come in to our Center to our council They need help they need a bridge between Arabic speaking and English speaking, especially with services like Medi-Cal, Social Security. I do a lot of work with community college.

I help people write resumes to get jobs. The breadth and the bandwidth that we have at the Caldean Community Council helps so many people in so many different ways. It's truly an honor to work there I work with people like Dina who helps with the housing navigation, which is a new program that we started with CHW. And I'd like to introduce her right now. Thank you very much for your time and thank you for having us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:27:11

Thank you sir. Hello?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:27:14

Good evening. My name is Dina. I am the Housing Navigator with the Caldeon Community Council Working in partnership with the San Diego Foundation. My role is to help individuals and families who are at risk of homelessness or losing their house by connecting them with housing, resources support service and community programs. I guide families through the entire housing process from finding affordable housing and applying for assistance program to overcome their barrier that may prevent them from obtaining and maintaining stable housing.

Currently I have the privileges of supporting 28 families from many different backgrounds, culture and nationality all over San Diego. Every family has a unique story and the most rewarding part of my job is helping them find stability and hope during difficult times that they go through. One family I have held that will always stay with me, that they were living in unsafe home while expecting a new baby. Through the housing navigation program, I helped them secure a safe comfortable home before the baby was born.

We were also able to provide them assistance valued up to $5,000 per family. Covering their security deposits, furniture and other household items so they can begin the new chapter with comfortable and dignity. For me housing navigation is about more than finding a place to live it's about giving families stability dignity and a fresh start to start I am grateful to be part of the Culligan Community Council and a program that allows me to make magnificent difference on the lives of the families I serve. Seeing a family finally feel safe in their new home is the greatest reward. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:29:20

Thank you very much.

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CommentLenita ImperialProposedself-stated1:29:37

Hello there. Well hi I apologize in advance for my nervousness but my name is Lenita Imperial. I work at the Caldeon Community Council in the small business incubator. I haven't been there for that long. I'm still in the process of learning the business but I'm pretty excited because I'm so used to working and like fast food. So I generally love helping people, so I think being in this position will be able to kind of get me out of my comfort zone and to be able to really help people and do something that I really love. So I'm excited to be part of this community.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:30:22

Thank you very much.

CommentOlfen NagataProposedself-stated1:30:35

Good evening.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:30:37

Good evening, my name is Roida.

CommentOlfen NagataProposedself-stated1:30:39

My name is Olfen Nagata. We're the head of marketing So today I want to talk about very important project that we started which is a podcast about successful stories We started this podcast with one simple goal To give local business owners entrepreneurs and professionals a platform to share their story When a local business owner appears on our podcast, they're not just promoting their business.

They are inspiring the next generation of entrepreneurs building trust with the community and connecting with the people. But the impact goes beyond business. Our platform brings people together and gives young people a role model they can relate to. And it reminds all of us that success is possible through the hard work and giving back.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:31:40

We also believe every small business deserves the opportunity to grow. So we empower small businesses by providing them the visibility starting from website management being present on social media anything that they need for them to make money, to grow within the community we're there to help them in every possible way and I am so grateful to be part of the Community Council thank you.

CommentOlfen NagataProposedself-stated1:32:08

Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:32:10

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:32:19

So thank you so much for your time and basically the closing statement on behalf of our board, our staff. And thousands of the family and individuals that we serve, we thank you. We thank the city. We thank the staff, all of you for building this relationship with the Caledonian Community Council and allowing us to serve all these people through the member of our... And this is not everyone so we have many others they couldn't make it.

One of them I would like to mention Dr. Gibrail. He's a dentist from Iraq He's been helping our people. His specialty is immigration and citizenship, so when people need to be citizen they come to him and he's doing the paperwork for them. Everything we do is for free. We are proud that we are serving people. We don't charge. We help as volunteers. So if you have any question,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:33:26

please. I'm going to open it up to questions before we get started. I just want to thank all of you for all your hard work and you know, you would never say this out loud and I don't want to embarrass you but I know that you give personally of your finances, your time and your expertise to help your community and we need more people like you so thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:33:53

I always feel I am blessed to be here. And I always tell people, I came from nowhere. I came to the United States with $1,000. I was able to build a company, a biotech company. I sold it for close to $40 million and this is my love. I want to help people. I want to give back because this country helped me and I want to help as much as I can And not only with that, I mean you know we have charter schools. We have now three charters at three locations, 600 kids and the work we do goes beyond all of that. We have a program that we help people in Iraq, needy families.

We call it Adopt a Needy Family. We send 55,000 a month to 550 families We do all of that, like we built our community step by step and we have people everywhere I go there's people like we build teams. That's what we have. We have very strong team players in our community, like you know in the school we have Brother Keith's hockey. With the Caldean Community Council we have people like Ryan and many other people helping us. I'm not doing it by myself. I have a team and an army of people behind doing all this work so we thank them all.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:35:24

Let me see if there are some questions. Anybody have questions for Nori? I think you explained it all. Thank you for the update, we very much appreciate it. Thank you. Let's see if there are any speaker cards on this item?

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction1:35:39

Yes sir, we have two remote participants. The first one will be Truth.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:35:52

I'm sorry who was it?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:35:59

Okay, hi. So this program is 100% BS fraud. The Felt Incubator Program continues to be positive since 2023 despite the fact that there's zero local businesses that are still in existence as of creation. This year only 50 percent of alleged clients didn't even respond. No business has graduated from the program. I can tell the Cahuilla Community Council isn't measuring success by the numbers all right? It's not free! It's costing us the people's tax dollars The building has been in unusable junk condition. How is anything legitimate going on? The Cajon City Council basically got a brand new building, or is going to for doing nothing tangible! Its CEO came to council last year with a bad attitude when questioned. He's got, nor he has five non-profits and an adult daycare center.

Doesn't anybody see the red flags?! The incubator isn't even a nonprofit under another nonprofit called Chaldean Radio. Somebody, and it might be me, needs to direct Nick Sherwood to start digging deeper into El Cajon because I can assure this council that the public definitely isn't aware of the fraud that's been running rampant in the city for a long time. Everybody knows about the big money that flows to politicians from some of the Cajonian community. And I think we're hearing that here.

If the CCC Social Services is anything like a business incubator, I mean 25,000 people? That's a lot of welfare fraud. Housing, medical, workforce programs, food, rent payments, groceries, podcasts Wow, there's a higher percentage of autism in the people coming from Iraq because the state gives more tax dollars for autism. $340,000 total going to salaries and benefits for how many full-time employees?

One million dollar grant will that apply for under Biden or Trump's HUD? Are there any English classes or services being offered? Because signs in Arabic are unique to El Cajon but being able to speak to all customers is pretty important. It also won't approve that a subcontract is due to the major NGO, Prostitutes San Diego Foundation and Human Traffickers Catholic Charities. Is the City ever going to get some standards on either of these programs? Would Council like to see less Caltrans require services or more? Would Council like to see some successful local Caldean businesses last for 10 years?

How does Council ensure that the CCC is operating a program without discrimination? That it's open to all cultures so that no laws are being violated. Because Nori just said, especially refugees. Does Council actually see a need for this incubator program if no businesses are joining let alone graduating from the program? When Nori admitted they're only working part-time and don't really have a need since 2020. And he even said that we cannot rely on government funding. Prove it! Request a no vote.

What is Council's intent and goal for use of the $1 million? Will Council open up the building to other organizations? Because I'm still convinced that this incubator slash welfare program run by the CCC has been 100% fraudulent since day one. And based on zero businesses making it for the last two years, seems to continue to be the same thing. The more Noreen talked, the more fraud I heard so I'm demanding an independent audit. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:39:04

Thank you. Anybody else?

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction1:39:06

Last speaker is Myrene Branham Are you still there?

CommentAndrew WhitneyProposedself-stated1:39:34

Hi,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:39:48

I hope everybody can hear me but i'm just going to go ahead and read an excerpt that came in through my social media. And I'm going to read you a couple okay these are real people going into this space From our experience, Joliana and Nori Barca have never seemed transparent about how these programs are administered. My elderly parents who are both over 75 years old and live on a very limited income have repeatedly tried to access the Citizens Programs through this organization.

I'm going to A perception within the community that that assistance is inappropriately benefiting people from her own social circle and the village of origin, while many other families are in genuine need and are left out. That is just one of them. Another one, I just want to tell you about the Caldean community. It's supposed to be non-profit programs but they charge people every time they do anything. They don't help people for free. They make people pay always. From my experience they helped me through the EDD and they charged $50. I asked them why do you charge people for services if it should be free they say? How can we pay for our employees anyway?

credit card and I found my check bank statements found the charge of $50 as donation. I stopped going there, but many people from refugees and senior people they can't speak English and still go there and they pay for them every time they go up there things change. Okay those are just two because i want to also say a couple of things because looking into their expenditures that were submitted to the county I see that I'm very That's challenge and want to talk about socialist candidates. Well, I mean, I don't, I'm not seeing how this is any different because it's essentially what is happening. And they, according to County records have received hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars into the pandemic. I just don't understand like when we're going to be super transparent with what's happening here.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:43:02

Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:43:04

you. That's all.

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CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction1:43:09

No more speakers, sir.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:43:13

Okay bring it back to the council discussion so let's make a motion. Yeah I think we need a motion though and I'll

CommentTykes LiquorProposed · by introduction1:43:26

make a motion to receive the report

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:43:29

please vote.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction1:43:41

Motion carries by unanimous vote.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:43:44

OK, the last administrative report on today's agenda item 8 is regarding the 405E Selection Intent and Improvements. And I'll ask staff to tell us about this.

PresenterSinan Kachicity's Development Services DepartmentProposedself-stated1:44:25

Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor, City Council members and staff. I'm Sinan Kachi with the city's Development Services Department. Item 8 before you today is to consider award of bid number 005-27 for building improvements at 405 East Lexington Avenue. So this property was acquired by the city in early 2024 and is located at the corner of Avocado and Lexington. Staff is working on behalf of the tenant, the Chaldean Community Council or CCC which operates social services on the ground floor and will run the small business incubator on the second floor.

After the City Council adopted the project in August of 2025 staff hired an architect and completed design work to address all needs for the property. The project was advertised for competitive bidding on May 26th and the city received 11 bid submissions on July 2nd just earlier this month. So earlier this year staff provided council with a project update. We came before you to describe the needed improvements for the building at that time we had a preliminary cost estimate of a grand total of just over a million dollars for all the needed improvements fast forward to today. We have bids in hand and our apparent low bidder has a grand total of eight hundred and sixty nine thousand so that's great news is a very competitive solicitation and costs are lower than anticipated So since the American Rescue Plan Act construction budget is just under $500,000, the council directed staff to proceed with a bid that would address the entire property but with options to award certain items of work.

This slide provides those bid results and the various alternates or options for the building. And we begin with the base bid from GQ Builders for 351,000 which must be awarded to the prospective contractor. So as a result of that conversation earlier this year with the council, the council was in agreement to address the deteriorated roof and the six failing HVAC units and prioritizing those items.

For alternate one, this is second floor work where the tenant began demolition last year. This area would house the future TV and radio studio. Alternate two would address exterior items like adding a motor to the vehicle gate, stucco patching on the building and then adding a cover to their existing trash enclosure. Alternate three which staff recommends for award will correct unpermitted work on the second floor. It would also include mechanical electrical and plumbing upgrades flooring improvements vinyl flooring paint throughout the building and this would address a portion of the second story now that this item is critical for the incubator operations but we'll still not address the entirety of the second floor Alternate 4 would bring power and data to the future workstations that will be provided for the incubator clients.

Alternate 5 would provide accessible parking and signage which currently do not exist at all. And then finally it's kind of a bigger ticket item there at the bottom alternate 6 is an overhaul of both of the restrooms in the building to become ADA compliant. We also need to add handrails on both staircases in the courtyard We need to upgrade hardware on all doors throughout the building to become ADA compliant.

We need to replace the exterior walking surface on the second story to accommodate wheelchairs, it has too much steepness to it at the moment. Some new windows and more painting and flooring throughout the building. The ARPA allocation for this project is $563,000. So after we deduct those architect fees that we used to design the project, we have about $488,000 available for construction.

So the base bid and additive alternate three which were the red items on the previous slide equate to the $430,000 number recommended for award today. This would leave staff with a comfortable contingency for unforeseen conditions during construction The building is relatively new for the city's possession. We don't have a lot of knowledge and history on the structure, so having that healthy contingency going into construction is critical.

If contingency funds go unused and we're nearing the end of construction, staff can revisit some of the other items you saw on the previous screen to push out those ARPA dollars and expend everything that this city has. So staff recommends approving plans and specifications for 405 East Lexington bid number 0 0 5 2 7. Also finding the following protests ground one submitted by GQ builders to be timely in with merit the apparent low bidder NEMA general contracting does not hold a contractor license for fire protection work which is specified very clearly in the bid documents and nor did they properly subcontract that work So we would also find the protest from GQ builders grounds two through four to be timely and without merit, and then find the apparent first and fourth low bidders non-responsive for reasons set forth in the agenda as well as what I've described today.

And then finally award the bid to the lowest responsive responsible bidder GQ builders in the amount of $430,000. And I'm available for any questions you may have.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:50:06

As far as The HUD grant that we're talking about, is any of that money earmarked for this?

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction1:50:14

No it's not. In fact that money won't even flow until sometime in 2027 or even 2028 so that's not part of this at all. This is all ARPA money? This

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:50:25

is all ARPA money. All right but just to be clear not coming from the general fund? Not coming from the general fund correct. Questions? Thanks good job. Thank you. Speaker cards on this item.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction1:50:41

Sir, we have one from Amar Amin.

CommentAmar AminProposedself-stated1:50:46

Hello sir good evening Mayor and City Council my name is Amar Amin the US Army combat veteran and I am part of Nima John contracting a veteran owned local business we are the lowest bidder on this contract with all the bid items and I would like to address the protest ground 1 For the GQ, we the scope for the work for the fire sprinkler system is small enough that it's under one half of 1% of the total So in this solicitation, the RFP, it was listed that if the bid item for a subcontractor is less than one half of 1%, you don't have to list that subcontractor on the bid. And we provided the city with a code that proves that we've done that, that this is before they submitted this to the City Council.

to reconsider NEMA, General Contractor as the lowest bidder on this project because in the solicitation itself and I have some documentation in here it states that if the item that is to be worked off by a subcontractor for especially for the C-16 in this case is less than one half of 1% you don't have to list that subcontractor and the bid itself. So this protest number ground number one is without merit.

Thank you, that's all I have.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:52:34

Graham, can you weigh in on this?

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction1:52:36

Certainly. And Mr. Sacci or Cacci can correct me if I'm wrong but it's my understanding that we did analyze that. We actually allowed the contractor to resubmit a scope of work with his subcontractor which he did not list. And it was clear that the subcontractor, or at least the scope of work that was submitted, woefully underestimated the work that we anticipate that was being done. It was really more maintenance that would be required for a sprinkler system. We actually think based on the sprinkler system it's a lot more extensive than that and so their scope did not even match what our scope looked like or what our needs were for the building.

And without that license, clearly this is not responsive to our bid proposal.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:53:28

Okay I appreciate that thank you. All right questions from the City Council? No

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:53:39

okay yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:53:41

please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:53:43

You know, I'm looking at the City of El Cajon Purchasing Division bid evaluation response. And if I look at the base bid plus alternative three GQ builders is $430,000 which is what's on the thing. If I look at the base bid for NEMA General Contracting The base bid is $455,000 and alternative three's $148,000. So that's about $600,000 I'm failing to see how NEMA with those two elements that we've selected is the lowest bidder.

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction1:54:26

Really good question so whenever this is a procurement law so whenever you bid with lots of alternatives you as we as a city can't pick and choose which alternatives we want because theoretically you could use those to pick the contractor you allegedly want And so we, you can analyze it in two ways. One is who has the lowest base bid or who has the lowest cumulative bid altogether? So we took the option of the lowest cumulative bid depending on which direction the council may want to have gone and so that's why NEMA was the lowest bidder but not the lowest responsive bidder.

If that makes sense. So you're exactly right, if you look at base bid and alternative three, GQ is the lowest but we're not analyzing that component because you can't pick and choose the alternatives you want to include.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:55:23

So you can choose either the total or the base bid? That's correct.

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction1:55:27

And you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:55:27

chose the total.

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction1:55:30

And if, I mean this is hypothetical but let's say the council were to agree with the protester. That now base bid plus alternative three is above what the budgeted amount is and so the council would have to decide which other, what do we want to cut out of that or do we want to add general fund money into the project? So that would just be another complication to the conversation.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:55:59

Understood. Okay, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:56:05

Are there any more speaker cards? All right back to the Council for discussion. Well

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:56:17

I guess what you're saying is that the city and the contractor have a difference in the scope of work when it comes to the fire suppression.

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction1:56:28

Correct, the protesting bidder did not meet the scope of work as we outlined in the RFP.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:56:36

For fire suppression?

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction1:56:37

For fire suppression.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:56:38

Okay that's how you see it okay thank you I mean out of fairness it seems like he's here so maybe ought to at least have it be able to address

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:56:51

Sure would you like to come back and address us sir yeah please do

CommentAmar AminProposedself-stated1:56:56

So the city has made this decision before looking at the scope of the work for these subcontractors that are provided. So before they asked for a subcontractor bid on this, they've decided that we are non-responsive and made that decision so you can disagree after the fact that the subcontractor bid but The subcontractor bid, this is what we got for the project. And we are the lowest total cumulative bidder on this project with every line item in there and this is what they based their decision making on the RFP itself.

So the city has decided that they're going to award this project based on the total cumulative bid for all of the additives plus the base bid. And then they changed their mind after the fact where the protests came in from GQ builders. Without letting us provide the scope or a subcontractor codes, because we have three of these and they're all lower than the subcontractor They're all lower than the one half of 1% for this project. So they didn't allow us, they didn't give us the opportunity to evaluate that and send them. We sent one of these subcontractor bids to them and we can send others that proves that the scope of work is less than one half of 1 percent for this project. So I'm asking to reevaluate that before you make a decision on it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:58:39

For city staff, it looks like the notes are failure to hold or list a subcontractor with this fire suppression license. So was that information due at the time of the bid closing? And you don't get to come back later and say well wait a minute if you would have done this what's the rules there?

CommentAmar AminProposedself-stated1:59:00

So if I can say in the solicitation itself, it states that if your apparent bid for a certain scope that requires a license is less than one half of a percent you don't have to provide that list, that subcontractor in there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:59:20

Sir? I want to go ahead and hear from our staff and let him respond to the things you've said.

PresenterSinan Kachicity's Development Services DepartmentProposedself-stated1:59:28

Thanks Mayor and Council. So we did provide the bidder the opportunity to submit the paperwork on that subcontractor and we reviewed that item. It didn't change the decision that was previously made it's subjective whether or not the scope matches. We have in our bid documents clearly stated that the fire suppression system is what's called a deferred submittal and that sub must design and build and then ultimately submit the plans to our building department for approval The proposal we received from YEMA General Contracting for the subcontractor work specifically excludes any design work or plan preparation for that work. So the work itself did not match the fire sprinkler scope, it was more of a maintenance style replace in kind. The scope and the bid documents is to rework the system entirely on the second floor to accommodate the new office spaces but the real The real catch there was the exclusion to perform specific language in the bid.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:00:35

I'm hearing you say that the bid that was submitted was maintenance on the existing system, whereas the request was for a new system. Am I hearing that right?

PresenterSinan Kachicity's Development Services DepartmentProposedself-stated2:00:47

Yes, that's generally correct. Not a new system but modification to the existing system rerouting sprinklers to different locations in the second floor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:00:55

And that is the difference in the scope of work between the parties. Yes, and thank you.

CommentTykes LiquorProposed · by introduction2:01:01

Can I ask a question to clarify? Yes, please given so the city received one bit the bid for the sprinkler system which was insufficient for what the scope of work was and What we're what the city is saying is That's if the bid was submitted for the correct scope of work. There should have been a subcontractor listed

PresenterSinan Kachicity's Development Services DepartmentProposedself-stated2:01:32

is that right? Yes, which would have pushed the amount over the one half percent.

CommentTykes LiquorProposed · by introduction2:01:36

Okay. So okay. Thank you

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:01:40

Okay any more questions for our staff or the applicant Okay, thank you both I appreciate it. I'm going to let the City Council discuss this now at this point and make a decision

CommentTykes LiquorProposed · by introduction2:01:58

I can make a motion. I'll make a motion to approve the resolutions 1, 2 and 3 as outlined in the staff report item 8.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:02:13

Before that I just want to say that I'm not unsympathetic To the issues and whenever these things come up I just want to make sure that we're being fair and that nobody's being treated in a way. That's not fair, and I'm personally Satisfied at this point from hearing from our staff and from their city manager that fairness Was it play? But I just want to say that because sometimes it might seem like we're capricious up here And we don't don't have a strong feeling about III think I definitely want fairness, and get the sense of everybody else's as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:02:52

I think so too. That's why my questions were really probative rather than just... Yeah, I appreciate that. ...approving the staff recommendations. So I think we asked some questions really that flushed out some of these issues.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:03:09

Thanks. And there's a motion on the table and a second if we can get the voting Screen up then we can vote. Thank you.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction2:03:25

Motion carries by unanimous vote.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:03:32

All right there are no commission. Go ahead. There are no commission reports on today's report. Gary before you go. Are any changes to your reports? Thank you. My activity reports as

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:03:50

stated, Mr. Global. Mine's as stated with a comment on the Hamasha Gustavo project as Ms. Divas was getting into explaining a lot of good things that have been happening we're thankful to Public Works Operations who are out there today doing Street striping and rumble strips going in today. So we're already seeing some improvements there. And so we appreciate the Miss Arianna's public works engineering and we appreciate the PD with all the enforcement and a lot of good things going on in the next 16 to 90 days my favorite part of this project is the guardrail because the homeowners association saw their Their property insurance go from $31,000 six years ago to $599,000 last year.

And that's probably because of replacing the two condos that got crashed into over the past six years. So the guardrail is going to save lives and it's going to save money and that is another great part of this program so thank you to city staff for Really expediting this project in the middle of all the other things you do. So great job, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:05:08

Thanks Steve. Mr. Ortiz? No changes as reported. Ms. Mitchell?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:05:16

As reported with one change I did not go to the women in service everywhere. I got waylaid by four baby kittens. That's my only excuse.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:05:26

So you got waylaid by what? Kittens?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:05:28

I have, I'm a foster mom with the San Diego Humane Society and so I have four bottle, four kittens that have to be fed by a bottle like every three hours.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:05:41

That sounds like a lot of work.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:05:42

It is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:05:43

Okay thank you for doing it. All right next item 15 is regarding Parkway Plaza acquisition options. Did we miss 14? We have three joint council member reports on today's item. Item 14 is to discuss sewer lateral policy. This report is put on the agenda by Council Member Ortiz and myself. Phil, I'd be happy to acquiesce to you if Sure yeah

CommentTykes LiquorProposed · by introduction2:06:24

I can start off so recently we've had the public to express concerns regarding sewer laterals on private property and so much so that just the general infrastructure of sewer lines, we have as a council has taken action on. A lot of it's made out of clay and cast iron pipe, and we had I think we took action on this for our city infrastructure that we're responsible for in the last couple of years to do an assessment of our entire infrastructure because it is critical and collapses, I believe are going to be occurring more and more as that infrastructure degrades. As the lifespan of it, I think, is anywhere from 50 to 75 years.

A lot of that infrastructure was installed about 50 to 75 years ago. So the mayor and I felt it prudent that we should have a discussion regarding this topic, have staff bring the memo that was prepared for us to an agenda item. Right now we are looking at our infrastructure but it is It is a countywide, maybe statewide issue that we should I think be able to discuss in public and solicit feedback from the public with ideas, options even awareness so that homeowners either current or upcoming can be aware of this.

And they can make the best possible decision. So I don't know if you wanted to add anything else Mr. Mayor?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:07:59

The only thing I wanted to add was when this issue came up, I was surprised. I had never thought of that issue and I think the homeowner made a pretty legitimate case that it was onerous and I would just like Look at options. Maybe there are no options, but I'd like to ask staff to come back and give us some ways that we might be able to mitigate this problem to some degree. So that's why I brought it up.

First off, I'll just ask if there's any questions or discussion amongst the rest of the council? Are there people who would like to speak about this?

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction2:08:47

Excuse me. No speaker cards.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:08:49

All right, so my proposal is to ask staff to come back with a report that would give us some options. And I'll make that a motion unless somebody wants to discuss it.

CommentRich RyleProposed · by introduction2:09:03

I'll second it then.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:09:04

OK, let's move and second this vote.

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CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction2:09:16

Motion carries by unanimous vote.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:09:19

Next item 15 is regarding Parkway Plaza acquisition options. This report is from Deputy Mayor Mitchell and from myself. Ms. Mitchell, would you like to say anything about this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:09:33

I think you should start off.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:09:34

Okay. You know, I can't think of many more economic issues that are probably more vital to us than a healthy Parkway Plaza. I've been excited by the options that staff has given us and the vision the staff has given us for the future, but it seems to me like we're stalled out on that process. What I'd like to ask today Is that we again, ask staff to come back with the options that we have as a board and as a government agency. And to look at all the alternatives that we have to move this process forward.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:10:19

Yes I agree with you Mr Mayor. Parkway Plaza is a vital part of El Cajon. It has been staple for Several decades, people have been born and raised in El Cajon and Parkway Plaza was the place to go. I think we're being in a way held hostage by owners and I'd like to see what we can do to revitalize Parkway Plaza and bring it back to what it may not be the same but bring it back up to a viable economic area I know we've had some plans that we need to flesh out a little bit more, but I think that there are lots of ideas from the public out there. I've heard about enclosed sports areas. That might be something that we can utilize. It may not be the same type of mall that we are used to, but I think that it can be more and so I'm hoping that staff can give us some great Options and see what we can do.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:11:34

So first of any questions from the rest of the council staff is this clear enough or do we need more specific

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction2:11:41

I think this is helpful. We'll provide an update on what we've done to date, provide some options and give Council an opportunity to give some direction. We will give an overview of where we're at from the land use perspective. Probably the wrong time to take or solicit ideas for them all because we don't own it and those many of the ideas I see on Facebook We'll focus on options and not land uses.

CommentTykes LiquorProposed · by introduction2:12:14

You can leave out a stadium to solicit the chargers coming back. That would be my idea, but I know that's...

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction2:12:21

We'll put it

CommentTykes LiquorProposed · by introduction2:12:21

on the list. Appreciate

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction2:12:22

it. Why don't you Facebook that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:12:26

Okay are there any speaker cards in this item?

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction2:12:29

Yes sir we have one Brenda Hammond

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:12:47

Hi Brenda. I got cold so I had to put my t-shirt back on. So isn't it beautiful? If you go to, like I said the management office and walk down that hallway there's bathrooms and then there's historical society pictures and you can see what it looked like before they built Parkway Plaza and I didn't realize it wasn't that long ago right 50 years ago or something.

And I mean this it's a big part of your economic economics in your state or you're sorry sales tax correct? I mean you need to walk through there and see what it looks like. It looks a lot different than it did when I was a kid but I don't know what area if you're talking about adding to it or whatever but that's your decision to make. I'm just giving you my opinion. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:13:46

Thank you very much.

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CommentRich RyleProposed · by introduction2:14:05

Could be a great economic driver for our city. And I know they used to generate about 25 percent of our sales tax revenue, but things have changed and we kind of need to pivot with that change. And. I think relying on some expertise on that and maybe a little bit of city leadership On making the mall more economic viable and make it highest and best use. I mean, it's really an amazing place a flat piece of property right at the intersection of two freeways It's a very valuable piece of property it's gone into a little bit of disrepair in some aspects and I think it's possible to bring that mall more into the 21st century.

So, and I've seen many malls all over the country just close up and we don't want that. So I think a new look at the mall using the expertise of our staff and perhaps some consultants. I think that's a really good idea. I think it's important to the financial viability of this city

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:15:49

I'd like to make a motion that we ask staff to come back with a report on our, oh yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:15:54

Steve. You know while we think about plans it depends on the owner of the property what they want to do. We can certainly suggest things which might be opportunities but I'm also encouraged by the ongoing progress. It's not a dead mall. It is doing well in fact Retail Insight spilled the beans so I'm not the first one to spill the beans. They spilled the beans! That Shake Shack is under lease, Chick-fil-A is under lease and Raising Cane's is under lease.

A signed lease. Those three businesses are coming to Parkway Plaza. That's great for the 34,000 cars that go along Fletcher Parkway each day and the presence of those national brands certainly will make Parkway Plaza attractive to others as well so congratulations to those three businesses coming to El Cajon we can't wait for them to come.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:16:51

Is that the truth?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:16:52

Yes it is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:16:54

Really I thought it was just a rumor on what is it East County Inquirer

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:17:02

Retail Insight is putting up for lease about 4000 square feet on the old Sears Garden Center and as part of their brochure advertising this spot in the mall they listed those three companies those three Companies under as assigned lease

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:17:24

well done,

CommentTykes LiquorProposed · by introduction2:17:25

so we're not getting the chargers

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:17:29

They could build on top of that Gregor

CommentRich RyleProposed · by introduction2:17:31

bill Just one thing I would like to encourage the staff to check in to the length of the leases on the different stores because I know the Cigar store that was downtown San Diego that had an eight-year lease left and they wanted to redevelop the property and That was in litigation for eight years, and it held up everything so It's important that we don't miss that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:18:03

So my motion would be to ask staff to come back with a report That looks at all our options to move the Parkway Plaza part project forward including legal options All right, moved and seconded. Please vote.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction2:18:24

Motion carries by unanimous vote.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:18:27

And the last joint council report item 16 is regarding Kaiser Permanente acquisition options. This report is also from Deputy Mayor Mitchell and

CommentNorth Park ProduceProposed · by introduction2:18:35

myself. Mr. Mayor, Mr. Goebbel has a comment to make or statement to make prior to you beginning

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:18:44

Yes, thank you. Because I live within 500 feet of the subject property, I'm disqualified from participating in discussion and action on this item. I will leave the chambers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:18:59

So this is pretty simple. I very much would like to see Kaiser build a hospital. I'm glad they're there. I was excited when we originally authorized them to build the hospital But it hasn't happened, and I'm beginning to worry. The property itself is problematic. It attracts homeless people. It's an eyesore in the middle of the city. It's expensive because Kaiser is a non-profit organization, so we don't get any tax money from that. And I think we need to see some movement here. So I'd like to ask our staff to come back again with our legal options to force the moving forward of this project and to see what options we have. That's basically why I brought it. Ms. Mitchell do you want to add anything to that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:19:53

Yes, thank you. Again this is another piece of property that I believe that the city is being held hostage by the owner We have this beautiful piece of property yes it is an eyesore right now but I mean it is very well centrally located and For Kaiser to keep promising us and promising us that they're going to build this hospital Promises don't build It just doesn't do it, and so either they build it or let's find another hospital to come in. I don't know who but we've got to have staff look at that and see what options are.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:20:36

Any questions from the Council? Are there any speaker cards on this item? I think make a motion then to refer this back to staff, to bring us back whatever options we have available to us including legal options to move the Kaiser property forward to the completion of a hospital or to some other resolution. Second. Please vote.

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CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction2:21:10

Okay. Motion carries by a 4-0 vote with Councilmember Goebel disqualified.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:21:17

There are no general information items and no first readings or ordinances on today's agenda. We're now at closed session, the City Attorney will recite the title and lead us into the closed session.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:21:27

Thank you Mr. Mayor. The council will meet in closed session as listed on items 17 and 18 on the agenda Item 19 is going to be removed and not discussed. Item 17 is closed session conference with legal counsel, anticipated litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9D4 three potential cases. Item 18 is conference with legal counsel existing litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9 D1.

With the case as listed on the agenda. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:22:07

Are there any speaker cards on this item?

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction2:22:10

No speaker cards, sir. I'd

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:22:11

like to make a motion then to adjourn the closed session. Second. All right, it's moved and seconded. Please vote.

CommentThree Brothers Liquor MainProposed · by introduction2:22:25

Motion carries by a 4-0 vote with Councilmember Goble absent.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:22:31

Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to go to closed session. We'll be back in a few minutes to conclude the meeting. We are back from closed session. I'd like to ask the City Attorney to report on closed session.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:38:53

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council met on items 17 and 18 as reported before closed session. Direction was given no reportable action was taken. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:39:04

This brings us to adjournment. The adjourned regular joint meeting of the El Cajon City Council, El Cajon Housing Authority Successor Agency to the El Cajon Redevelopment Agency held this 26th day, I'm sorry 28th day of July 2026 is adjourned till Tuesday August 11th, 2026 at 3 o'clock p.m., thank you very much. Thanks.