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MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 April 25, 2023

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CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction0:00

Good evening, call to order. We have a quorum, could we have the roll call please Weston?

Roll call — called by Weston Montgomery
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Yes Mayor. Thank you. Mayor Stixx? Here. Mayor Pro Tem Francina? Here. Council Member Ruhle? Here Council Member Lange? Here Council Member Whitman? Here

Thank You Weston welcome everyone to the April 25th 2023 meeting of the Ojai City Council James will you please do the pledge for us

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role0:21

yes thank you mayor please join me in standing Right hand over your heart, ready begin.

Pledge of Allegiance — led by Ben Harveyceremonial · click to expand
GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role0:26

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United

CommentRenee RothProposed · by introduction0:30

States of America

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated0:32

and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction0:38

with liberty and justice for all. Thank you James.

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CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction0:45

Approval of the agenda motion to approve?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:48

I'll move to approve.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction0:50

And a second?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:51

I'll second it. All

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction0:52

in favor? Aye. Okay great, all right we will begin with the presentation we have an update from EJ Harrison and Sons regarding SB 1383 compliance and this would be our opportunity to ask questions correct James about that consent item

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:09

Yes, we have two consent items related to E.J. Harrison's or SB 1383 on the agenda so if there are any questions while they are here to speak would be a good time to ask. Okay

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:21

and thank you so much Nan for being here

CommentNan DrakeProposedself-stated1:35

Good evening, everyone. My name is Nan Drake and I am in charge of outreach and public relations for EJ Harrison & Son, Agriman, and Gold Coast Recycling which are the three companies that work together to make it all work to create a better environment we hope for everyone. Tonight with me is Bill Camarillo. He is the CEO of Agriman and one of the experts, if not THE expert in California on SB 1383 composting to really save the world because we know that's exactly what has to happen, that we have to nurture this planet that we live on I passed out some information, and it's all about residential food waste. And I just have a short thing I would like to say along with answering any questions maybe when Bill finishes we'll do that.

It's a challenge, SB 1383. But it's one that we think we've met head on. You now have three barrels weekly. You have the ability to recycle. You have the ability to have an empty trash can if you work real hard at it. And you have an organic barrel that you can put not only your trimmings and your green organic waste but also your organic food waste. We have a commercial program that we've audited.

Everybody that's our customer, we know where everybody is. Some of the smaller people are not quite in line, all of the majors. So we're very confident with the commercial program. The residential program is another story. We don't know why. We advertise in the papers, we do a lot of social media and residents just don't seem to be doing it. Personally I love it.

It's so easy for me. I entertain a lot in my home, and my little can is right there with me all the time. All you have to do is take all of your trimmings. The one thing that people are not quite understanding because We have sent kind of mixed messages about plastic bags, but in this case it's the only way we can do it because the most valuable commodity in that organic barrel currently is the green waste. That green waste can be sold and made into Primo compost We don't have a facility yet in this county that can handle food waste to turn it into a pulp, they can turn it into a product. So we must protect the organic waste in the barrel from the food waste, the green waste so that's why it's an interim program I can assure you the bags end up in the landfill properly they're not flying around And they're pretty shredded by the time they go through our shredder, which Bill will explain to you.

Anyway, I'm very happy to be here. Sorry we couldn't be here at your last meeting. We were doing this same presentation in Fillmore. So I'll be back if you have any questions of me and I'd love for Bill to excite you even more about the future. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:03

Thank you Nan. Yes thank you.

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated5:08

I did send out a presentation?

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.755:14

James Hahn is having the presentation coming up now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:17

It's on the screen now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:21

We wait.

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated5:23

Good evening, and thank you for having me tonight. And like Nan said, I'm Bill Camarillo. I'm the CEO of Agriman, and I've been in the organics waste recycling business now for over 30 years. Started right here in Ventura County. And today Agriman is the largest organics waste recycler in the state of California We manage over a million tons a year for well over 200 jurisdictions and 15 counties.

And we learned a lot right here at home in Ventura County with all of our agricultural partners. So SB 1383 is an ominous bill, it's probably the most disruptive piece of legislation to the waste industry than we've seen since the original AB 939 law. And it's not a recycling bill. It's all about short-lived climate pollutants. And it's part of the AB 32 Climate Action Plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions produced by landfills. So even though landfills have great gas capturing systems, still about 25% to 30% of the methane from landfills is fugitive off the soil and ends up into the atmosphere.

It's 80 times more potent than CO2. And they can see it from NASA today. So they've picked out all the landfills and dairies, and they're trying to reduce methane. And that's how 1383 came about. Next slide? Perfect. So it is our collective mission to partner to cool the planet by creating innovative ways to dealing with soil science, and we do that by partnering with our waste hauling partners like EJ Harrison & Sons and many others throughout the state with municipalities that hold their own waste And our agricultural partners that can consume the compost at the end of the day to reduce their need for pesticides, herbicides, chemical fertilizers. It reduces water use, it reduces erosion and then we also make a lot of landscape and commercial products out of it as well that end up in retail stores.

And we do this to try and heal the planet. Next slide. So it's been a long journey. I don't know how much you know about AB 939, which is passed way back in 1990 was to reduce green not greenhouse but to reduce landfill landfilling and diverting 50% of the waste by the year 2000 to preserve landfills back in 1990 And then when AB 32 passed in 2006, a lot of the rest of the legislation that was passed was to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. And a lot of those bills that we see today like you may have heard about AB 341 which was a commercial recycling bill. 1826 was a commercial organics bill. Those were all goal-driven bills and not very effective so that's why the Air Board decided to pass SB 1383 to mandate the diversion of organics from the landfills.

Next slide. So here's the rules by 2022 we are to have diverted 50% of the organic waste from the landfills, nearly 11 million tons as of 2022 the state's diverted 5%. Way behind the power curve a lot of that caused by the pandemic we lost a couple of years through that whole process And in 2025 75% of all the organics have to get diverted from landfills which is estimated to be 20 plus million tons.

In the state, there is a severe penalty 10,000 up to $10,000 a day to the jurisdictions for not following the programs. You can't actually implement any kind of penalty phase for the generators themselves until 2024 if they do not participate. And in this bill, unlike AB 939, there is no good faith effort. So in AB 939 as long as you had all the programs in place and you were doing everything you could, if you didn't quite make it that was a good faith effort and you did get penalized.

SB 1383 does not have that. There's also another part of 1383 and it's got a lot of articles in it, and it's a procurement requirement by jurisdictions to buy back 8% of their population and tons of compost and mulch to use back in the communities to create a demand pull on the material as they push it out of the landfills. That was delayed a year with AB 1985 again because of the pandemic. Next slide.

Wow, that was spooky. So this is just a graphical of where the state plans on being and that's the green line so the blue and the orange line are the projected amounts of organic waste being produced in California And they're expecting us to get down to 5.7 tons of organic waste going into the landfills by 25, and like I said in 22 calculated only 5% had been diverted so far. So a lot of work to do.

Next slide. Here's why they're having us do it. Hey, Jim. And I recognize that voice. So up to 2018 we had been diverting about 10 million tons of organic waste from landfills through the Green Waste Programs and that was an estimated about

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PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated10:45

12 million barrels of oil offset so that's how they view this reduction program So by going after the next 20 plus million tons is another 27 million barrels of oil offset by reducing methane at landfills. Next slide. And the reason they focused on what we're doing today is because it's one of the least costly ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Organics recycling is only about $53 a metric ton of CO2 reduced, rather than an electric vehicle closer to $3,000 a metric ton of CO2.

So there's a whole hierarchy at which what we should be working on first to reduce methane or greenhouse gases. And then ultimately, zero emission vehicles are supposed to help us finish getting the way there but they're pretty expensive. Next slide. This is about the procurement program that I was talking about. I'm going to show you some examples of how cities and farming companies are using the compost in the SB 1383 program. Next slide.

It's a whole new platform that Agri-Min created statewide called californiacompost.net, and it's meant for us to help jurisdictions not have a bad experience in using compost and mulch. Believe it or not, not all composts are created equal just like meals. They're not all created equal. And not all soils can use the same amounts of compost in the material types because every piece of property has its own thumbprint and what needs to be done to it in order to grow plants. Next slide.

So with the passing of AB 1985, 100% procurement in like the city of Ojai was probably around 5,000 tons of compost you'd need to procure. This year in 2023, you only need to procure 30% of that. So it basically created a ramping phase through 2025. Next year it needs to be 65%. And by 2025, you're going to have to cure 100% of the compost and mulch. Ojai has always been really good about using mulch in the community parks and streetways so we're happy to work with James Vega to figure out how to use that in the parks, or we can actually broker it to agriculture if you're interested in doing that as well. Next slide.

The portal just has an assessment tool in there where for free will tell you how you could use the compost and mulch in your communities. We actually combed the internet to find out many park acreage you have, streetways you have, and then we can tell you how much you can actually use in the city. We have qualifying product lines that you can look at with standards, whether you buy it from us or someone else. You can make sure that they're meeting the standard so you get a quality product. And then there's a brokering service in there where we help pair you up to agriculture to be able to use the material if you'd so decide to go that direction. Next slide.

There's a calculator on the website too, it makes it easy for you. You just put in the city, it'll have the year for this year and then it will tell you how much compost you need to buy and mulch. Next slide. At the end of the day, this is the best part of it. It produces a report for you every quarter tells you where you're at. And at the end of the year, it'll produce a report you can just send to CalRecycle so that it shows that you're in compliance. Next slide.

This is a little bit of a story about how the solution to a lot of what's going on is actually beneath our feet and fixing the soil. So I'm just gonna take you through a little education on how compost is used and why it's important for reducing greenhouse gas emissions, and then I'm gonna show you some examples of projects we're doing throughout the state. Next slide.

So scientists, if you know a lot of them they'd never agree. And when you get a bunch of them starting to agree that there's a problem, you know that you better start paying attention and more and more we're seeing more scientists agree that the climate is changing. We would argue that it's not changing. It's probably always changing, but it seems to be more severe at times. So some of the things that you can do with soil to sink carbon like Mother Nature intended to I'm gonna show you some examples. Next slide.

Historically and I'm talking a century or more ago before oil in 1860 and chemical fertilizers most of our soils and agriculture had three to 7% carbon organic matter in them. And they healed themselves creating topsoil Well, with the revolution of chemical fertilizer and monoculture our soils today have less than half a percent in them. In most cases barely enough to sustain life so therefore you have to use lots of water and chemicals to grow food.

If we were just to move the needle back to 3% on our agricultural lands you could actually remove a trillion metric tons of CO2 out of the atmosphere. So you got to remember we're continually producing CO2 above and beyond Mother Nature, and that's what's creating the disturbance in our weather patterns. Next slide. How does compost work? Well, if you look on the left side that's a rangeland example and I'll show you one that we're doing in Sacramento.

Today because the carbon levels are so low the plant life barely can consume enough carbon out of the atmosphere to sustain itself So basically, it's feeding the microbes in the ground which breaks down the nutrients in the ground, solubilizes them so it can uptake it through the roots and grow the plants. And that's the cycle. Draws down carbon, feeds the bugs in the soil, so the bugs feed the plants and that's the cycle of life in the soil.

With compost, by adding nutrients to the ground to feed the bacteria in the ground, the plants grow more vigorously. Their roots grow deeper and they start to sink carbon like they were meant to. So that's what fixing the soil does. Next slide. How do we pay back our carbon debt? Well, it's going to be complicated and it's not easy and it's going to be very expensive. So I'm going to show you some of the projects we're working on that go hand in hand with the waste industry, the water industry, the agricultural communities, and everybody participating in collaboration to try and fix things. Next slide.

Here's Montalvo Park in Ventura. City of Ventura said, Bill what are we supposed to do with 8000 tons of compost? And I said well you have 700 acres of ag land, I mean parks just a quarter inch on 700 acres is actually 12,000 tons of compost so you need more than you actually need to buy. Well what are we supposed to do with it? Well let me show you how to fix the parks.

So we did a demonstration in Montona. We did one application in June of 21 that's what the park looked like and this is a drone that measures photosynthesis And then in March of 22 after one rain and one application, we greened up the park. We started to store some carbon in it and take me to the next slide please. You can see the difference between the untreated and the treated areas, and most important is you can look at what the water infiltration rate was. So a lot of parks are super hard, the ground is super hard, water hits it and runs off.

As you start to add compost, it starts to soften the ground and it doubled the ability for it to accept water. The moisture levels doubled in weight in the soil and the water holding capacity nearly doubled, therefore saving water and the park. So you don't have to use as much water if you fix a soil next slide. This is our carbon farming project in Sacramento on a rangeland project called Van Vleck Ranch. It's been around since 1856. That's one application, one rain.

You can see the treated and untreated. This is not rocket science when you start to look at it going wow! You can actually see visibly the change in the piece of property with one application. So we're gonna be doing this every year to sink carbon Now there's voluntary carbon markets that we're going after to help to pay for these things. So it's gonna be a combination of what we're doing, what the voluntary carbon markets are doing to help sink carbon. Next slide.

Lehman Air Company where we started our first farming project. This is a farm they have out in the desert called Cadiz where we started treating their trees out there. Next slide. You can see the trees on the left started creating new blushes. You could see the yellow, new leaves compared to the trees that are untreated. The trees out there now are growing just as many lemons as the ones in Santa Paula because we started fixing the soil.

Next slide. Agriments carbon factor. So here's some of the projects that are working. I'm going to update you on a Linear project that we're doing or Mountain View project that we're going to be doing for food waste. Next slide. We have a huge footprint now and we're very proud of it. We're continuing to build new facilities statewide to remove green waste, food waste and all organics from landfills.

Lima Nara, which was finally approved in February of 2022 that we started the permitting process in 2011 took nearly 11 years to get a permit. And we finally completed that so we're hoping to start construction on that at the end of the year. Our Mountain View facility that one took six years and we're starting construction this year. And then we have others throughout the state that were building next slide.

The LeMonaire project is going to be 300,000 tons. The CapEx to build it total costs about $30 million. It'll be there for 50 years so that's the good news and it will handle pretty much all of Ventura County's organic waste, green waste, food waste, ag waste at that one facility. Next slide. This is an exciting new technology for commercial food waste, where the trash truck unloads the commercial food waste into these hoppers. And it goes through a series of shredders and presses and screens. And we get out a really clean mash at the end of the day that we can aerobically digest and use it as an animal feed or a fertilizer from the food waste generated. It removes all the contamination, all the bags, cans, corks, forks, you name it. It removes all of that.

Next slide. That's it. It's our call to action. Everybody has questions about bags, so there are bags in everybody's house. We don't care what kind of bag you use. Just put it in a bag. Put it in the green waste barrel so we can pull it out. There is not enough infrastructure in the state of California to do SB 1383. So if you were to just put your food waste in the green waste barrel, it would get commingled and there's nowhere to go with that. So right now, those trucks go to Gold Coast Recycling where we take the bags of food out. The green waste goes to our Limonero Compost Center and the food waste goes to our Simi Valley Center where it gets processed and sent off to composting. As soon as Limonero's open in Mountain View then we can talk about commingling because now we'll have infrastructure for it but for us, the food is more valuable as an animal feed and organic fertilizer than as compost so we'd prefer it in a bag and in the cities we tell not to bag it they bag it anyway And then the cities that don't want bags, we say well take out the rest of the bags because there's lots of bags in there that people put in their green waste barrels.

So you don't have to use compostable bags. You could use a paper bag, a plastic bag, pretty much any bag you have laying around. Like Nan said it's pretty easy if you put it in a bag tied up and then put it in the barrel so you don't have to have it in the house. It keeps the barrel clean in the summer when it gets hot. If you just had food waste in there without a bag I can tell you from experience, the gnats, the cockroaches, the flies, the smell is horrendous.

So put it in a bag. Keep it clean. Thank you very much. Happy to answer any questions if you have any of

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction22:57

me. Thank you so much, Bill. Much appreciated. Stay here. Stay here. Very inspiring. Hey, Bill? Bill? Yeah? Bill, we've got a couple questions. Yes, ma'am.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed23:11

Susan? Well first of all, are you familiar with Josh and Rebecca Tickell who produced the film in the book Kiss the Ground. Yes, and you know so You know our community is all about regenerative agriculture And composting and so my question is just very practical I'm sure other people have it how much do you have to separate cooked and raw food?

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated23:35

It doesn't matter.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed23:36

It doesn't matter you can put old bread together and All together. OK, that's my question. I thought this is absolutely fantastic. Have you watched The Biggest

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated23:47

Little Farm in Moorpark?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed23:49

The what?

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated23:50

The Biggest Little Farm in Moorpark.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed23:51

Not yet. I mean, I may have seen it. It's

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated23:54

a movie.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed23:55

Actually, I have seen it. Yeah. It's an older... No,

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated23:59

it's not that old and they're making new ones on Disney so it's an incredible farm in Moorpark called the Biggest Little Farm. It' worth watching.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed24:04

Yeah, I think it's on Netflix.

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated24:06

You can watch it on Netflix

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed24:07

and other things. Thanks for the reminder.

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated24:10

Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction24:11

Rachel?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.8824:12

First of all this is very exciting. I was writing letters to Senators 20 years ago about Monsanto and I'm very excited about the developments that are happening with this and I had the opportunity to tour the facility two weeks ago thanks to Nan And on my social media, there's actually a little in my stories highlights. You can see bags being separated and so I'm encouraged by all the development.

And I had one other question too. I've tried using the compostable bags and a lot of times they fall apart but can you put Like compostable coffee pods or other compostable items in the food waste as well commercially.

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated24:59

You can and so part of 1383 requires us to compost all the soil paper and compostables and textiles today we are composting clothing Compostable packaging. We are test driving all these new products at manufacturers There's another bill SB 54 that just came out about producer responsibility Everything is moving toward composting So the cotton industry has reached out to agri-min to start composting all different kinds of cotton based fibers And it's it's working so with tools and technology It's just one big science project, and our goal is it came from the ground. Let's put it back in the ground safely and that's our job because it takes a tremendous amount of energy to grow food to feed us. And as the planet population continues to grow, it creates a tremendous carbon footprint so Reducing is only going to get us part of the way, we have to draw down at the same time.

So these carbon farming projects, carbon sinks in the parks, we're gonna figure out how to monetize those so that you treat your parks like a carbon sink. They turn green, they use less water, less chemicals and we can monetize them financially to turn them into carbon sinks. So the industry's changing rapidly. We employ 10 to 1 jobs versus landfilling by doing what we're doing in the recycling and composting industry. So you're going to see a lot new products coming out that's saying this jacket is compostable, and working with some pretty cool innovative companies that talent coming out of Adidas and a bunch of other companies like that.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed26:42

I have one other question. Susan, yeah? I heard Nan say that it's harder to get private homes to compost or to put their waste in the barrel but she said businesses are better but does that include like schools, hotels, hospitals? All of them. Are they all on board?

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated27:04

Well, so this bill is a hammer. I don't think that's how you get people to do things. So somehow we got to figure out how to inspire them through art and communications which is what I try to do and say you gotta help us do this It's a law, and we have to do it at the end of the day as your waste hauling company. And the Harrisons for 90 years have been committed to being innovative all the time.

But we can't do it without everybody's help. So at the home try and help us out, and at the restaurants try and get them to help put the material in the right containers. Definitely the schools participate, hotels participate, food processors but it's going to take everybody.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed27:49

So is there something that individual cities can do in the way of making it mandatory?

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated27:54

In 2024 you produced an ordinance, right James? The organics ordinance. Yeah. So in 2024 if the producers aren't participating And the state comes down and tries to penalize the city for not having the participation levels required, then you're gonna have to go be the muscle in the police to get the generators to start doing what they're supposed to do. And that's what the ordinance is that you passed probably last year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:24

Okay, yeah. Thank you any

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction28:26

other questions or comments

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.8528:29

Andy So I had this question a couple of weeks ago I know read through the description of the relationship between the User then Harrison is transporting doing the separation all that then the county Taking things in what my question is have have you? Analyzed the City's end of things in terms of what we have to do and for to report To demonstrate that were in compliance With 1383 and what should we anticipate in terms of staffing that?

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated29:15

Yes, so as part of your contract with the Harrisons a lot of that requirement is on the contractor or the hauler and Danny Harrison's here to answer some of those questions too. I just saw him oh he's in the back but they make sure that you're in compliance with AB 939 they're going to make sure you're in compliance with 1383 and then you also have a consultant on your side that makes sure that they're doing what they're supposed to do by the contract to keep you in compliance and that's part of your agreement And that's their commitment, and they do that for all the cities they serve. So Gold Coast Recycling is a Harrison Industries company. Agriments part of the Harrison Industry family of companies. So that's how the hauling, the recycling and the organics are all connected to serve you.

They own no landfills so they have no commitment to landfills. They use the local landfills at Tolan for Ojai but they also use Simi once in a while if necessary and Calabasas but not having landfills makes you creative. They've been salvagers their whole lives and they're really good at it.

CommentNan DrakeProposedself-stated30:22

I just wanted to say one thing and that's that we have an audit team That is in charge of SB 1383, and right now all of it is about food waste obviously because that's the one thing that we really needed to conquer and try to figure it all out. And we actually have people besides the auditors who keep accurate records if you ever want to see some of the audit information. We do report it to the cities but they, well and you have Kim Nielsen I believe helping you also who we work with to give her all of the information so that CalRecycle is fully aware Of where every city is and understands your efforts because that's a very very important thing So I just wanted to make sure that you knew that your city was watching us Besides Cal Recycle watching us and Myself, I got a prize at my door on my on my doorknob hanger saying thank you Because I am such a good Food was a composter and it helped me.

And I had to call, and I said what was that about? They actually have someone, they take a different route in a different city, and somebody opens up the organic barrel and looks inside and sees if you have any bags. If you have any bags, you get a little thank-you!

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated31:48

If you had to actually see 1383, you don't have enough staff. You'd have to hire 15 people just to work on it and the consultant along with the Harrisons will fill in your annual report that's due August 1 and it'll have everything that you're needing there to be in compliance and it runs the gamut all the way down to the educational pieces and the outreach and the barrel checking like Nan saying I mean it's all in that report that you have to produce and that's what they do for you yeah

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ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.8832:22

I just had a question for city For people who live in apartments do our apartment complexes and I don't know maybe this is a per apartment complex thing Do our apartment complexes have? food waste dumpsters

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role32:41

I'm not sure

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction32:42

so multifamily be required to do it, but I'll refer to folks. Oh

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated32:46

Yeah, multifamily is also included in the programs and typically there's going to be trash recycling and organics card at a multifamily development. But a lot of the HOAs are taking away the landscape material that will either bring it to us or get a Harrison dumpster or manage it themselves but the waste recycling and organics picked up by the Harrisons through those programs would go to Gold Coast yeah

CommentNan DrakeProposedself-stated33:11

I just have to say it's a mixed bag because there are condominium projects that have their own barrels, but they're in an HOA situation. There are apartments that rely upon the brown container that we put out for green waste. There is something to get exemptions because they have gardeners so For us, it's the last thing that we are really trying to find the solutions for to make them exactly right so far.

It's been a challenge because the associations have things they would like to do that they can't do. A lot of them have asked for exemptions and couldn't get them because they still need to do food waste, so it is a challenge but it's one that we've accepted and we're working on and there's nothing we could say that would be exact about any certain one you'd ask us because one shoe does not fit all so we have to make special arrangements and figure out exactly what is the best program for how those people live.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction34:29

Great all right well, thank you so much. Thanks congratulations Nan on your prize May we all follow in your footsteps as a model composter and thank you bill really inspiring

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated34:42

yeah I'm easy to get ahold of bill at agriman comm and if you guys any Any other questions or school projects? We love to do education with the young people generation with school gardens and tours. So if we can help in any way, we know how green Ojai is so let us know how we can help you. Thank you much

CommentNan DrakeProposedself-stated35:04

appreciate one thing. Yeah, I have to introduce Jim Harrison. He's here tonight to watch us watch his

PresenterBill CamarilloAgrimanProposedself-stated35:12

team.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction35:16

That's Jim Harrison. Thank you for being here, Jim. Much appreciated. Thank you all

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.8835:22

Thank

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction35:22

you. We'll move on to commission reports, and we have a commissioner report from the Arts Commission Chair Smitty West. Thank you, Smitty.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed35:34

Hi

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed35:36

everybody. 28 days ago I stood here and I said, I'm going to have you a five-year plan

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed35:44

within

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed35:46

a month. And there it is. So what you have in front of you there... James do you need one?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role35:54

I'll get one from you after.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed35:55

No, Nigel has one for you. Nigel our past chair and senior commissioner If you open, you'll see our smiling faces here. But on the left is really the most important part of this, of our plan and that's telling you that this is not the plan that you're holding it's just that people like to have paper in their hand but what we have done is we have created a virtual plan that sits online out on the cloud that is not only a plan for budgeting purposes but it's a plan for management purposes. It's a plan that Creates transparency that anybody could check at any time, and it will be linked to the Arts Commission website as well.

But the document you do have there will guide you through some of the visioning that we did. Remember two months ago we brought in all the boards here with all the pictures? So that was an investment in first seeing what was possible and then determine why the arts... What can we do and how do we do it? And so you'll find some high-level sort of summaries of that in the document that you have

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction37:10

there. Can I ask the people in the lobby to be quiet, so we can hear? Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed37:19

But, may I draw your attention though to this which looks like a simple spreadsheet. What we've determined from our visioning is that if we reorganize the Arts Commission into six different areas grants education technology public art communications and commission health Virtually everything that we envisioned in terms of what we could do fits into one of these categories.

This plan is expandable, this column here AA was last year's budget and this is our budget request for this year too. I'm going to ask James Hahn to go ahead and open the grants So each of these is expandable, and you'll see within grants. We have some highlights of what we're doing. And why don't you open up marketing now they see it in Blind there too so for every everything within this plan all the way up and down it's expandable right down to the actual tasks that need done. And the Gantt chart on your right takes us out, you can't see the heading but it takes us out five years toward some of our long-term goals.

So let's go ahead and open for one other idea Open Education which is the next one and Collapse Marketing completely So under education, so grants is the most important thing that we do and we have not had an increase since 2018 in the grants. That's the money we give directly back to the community and to the artists and the art projects in the community. So we're asking for a modest I think 10% increase on that this year But one of the other main things that we're doing with grants, like we are with all the divisions, is putting it together in a backbone of technology so that's accessible and manageable and measurable.

So our application process will be online, and we're already updating our website to be able to do that too. Under education, what's new is our professional enrichment seminars By the way, Valerie Freeman, if you look is overseeing the grants and then Pamela growl is overseeing education you could see our little areas on our pictures there too. So I just wanted to kind of give you an idea.

The depth of this I'm not going to go into it all right now, I am. I have discussed it in detail with city staff and have justified and made some changes and. But this is what we're going to ask we need this money to do this plan. Quickly in technology, that's where we're going to move toward connecting ourselves with the community and all our constituents through a common backbone Public art is an investment. We have to We have to own what we own better One we do not know Exactly what we own and what is public art and what is not public art? And what a city property and what a city maintenance So the first thing that we have to do that has never been done is an assess a professional assessment Of all the public art in Ojai, that's owned by the city so that we know.

Is there a What kind of care? Art needs care more than weed whacking and the lawn being mowed, too. But we're going to get a professional assessment. We do have a contract with an excellent firm that does this that has connections to Ojai. And the price comes out to about $160 per piece of public art for just seeing where we are to start with there. And then we move on from there.

Communications, we want to make sure that we connect with our artists community art is something that can bring people together with disparate views. We want to make sure that city government could do a lot for the arts but sometimes city government has to get out of the way too so we want to be able to do it smart and know when When to help and when to do it ourselves. So Nigel is going to head our communications thing, we'll be doing proclamations and try to be present at every important art event that occurs in the valley. Commission health, I advise you to do that. We decided to create a patterned after Rotary with club service if you don't have a healthy group that's making government decisions You're not going to do a good job.

People have to know where they fit, they've got to know what the plan is, they've got to know what's in bounds, what's not in bounds, what legal and what's not legal. So we're going to invest a little bit in education for our commissioners. We're gonna consider going to seven in the future as the plan unfolds but we want to be flexible. We can expand that or you'll be able to do that. By the way, this will be there'll be a link I could provide individuals with it. It will be once sort of finally approved it will be on the website and anyone will be able to access it certain people will be able to edit it so another point is You haven't seen a plan from the Arts Commission which is one of our one of our responsibilities to your council for over four years and And the last one was just a sheet of bullets.

All right, this is actually a document that will guide us through, lead us, make us collaborate and make us communicate. And further as we complete these tasks it'll be kept up to date so next year's five-year plan will just have another year added on at the end. We had to reduce this to an Excel spreadsheet to show it because I didn't want live internet here in the chamber.

That's all I had to say is that thank you. Uh, I will say even though we're asking for it looks like we're asking for more money We gave 7 000 back last year with the idea that was going to be used uh for some maintenance and public art Whether or not the arts commission does it or the city does it out of some other chunk? It needs done You don't need obelisks falling on people Or spending money on things that aren't worth anything either and And the only other big increase besides the public art was on the education side.

So if you take just the 7,000 we gave back and 6,000 for the assessment of the public art, we're really just at about a 10% increase. And James has reviewed it and I think he can answer any questions as well. Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity To put this together and it's going to live hopefully long gone my ears.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction44:32

Well, thank you so many much appreciate Thank you for being here and for all your hard work in and supporting our arts culture and Protecting it too. I don't want anything falling on anybody No, and thank you for this is beautiful

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed44:46

any questions or comments from No, we're not deciding anything about this tonight. Are we

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role44:52

know and I will note just for the record while we're talking about it So we had taken the first draft of the budget to the Budget Committee before we got this It was just a timing issue But I've already met with the Arts Commission and we've looked at how we can adjust the budgets to fund The items that they've requested so after tonight when we come back with a second revised budget I would propose including that amount and then council can direct otherwise, but okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed45:23

Thank you. That's what I wondered Thanks.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction45:25

Okay. Thanks. Thank you Smitty appreciate it All right We will move on to public communication and just a reminder to everyone These are items not on the agenda and because they're not on the agenda we cannot discuss them we appreciate your viewpoint and being here and we can agendize them for the future and And public comment is three minutes, and after the end of the three minutes you'll hear a chime. So please respect each other's time in the spirit of equity and stop talking when the chime sounds.

There's no giving away of time to another speaker, and if you're in agreement with a previous speaker please just say ditto. So we council agreed to have a half hour at the beginning so we will start with the first ten cards that I received and We all and we start with the events and organizations. So first, we have Jill Dolan then Cindy Jones and then joy when slough

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed46:19

I'm hobbling Hello, everybody. Oh, it's so happy to see you. First I want to thank certain people here who made it over to see our production of Red which was, I think, fantastic. I hope you all will agree and we thank you for your support. Theaters are struggling as you know across the country. It's not any different here in our town but we are committed to sallying forth with vigor So our next show opens next Friday, May the 5th. It is Disappearing Act and it's by Peter Fox who was with me a while ago but he has disappeared to go to rehearsal so these things must be done. He is both the writer and director of this show. He is a visual artist as well and it is a play about magic Actually magic, they do magic tricks in it and mystery. There are a number of mysteries in this play and It is not a magic show, so we are suggesting that it's not a good show for children.

Little children. Teenagers? Okay. Anyway, I just want to talk about our usual schedule. We have our opening night reception which follows the opening night on May 5th. On Saturday, May 6th, Peter will be interviewed by Sammy Zallringer as part of the literary branch of the Arts Center And then the following Sunday, which is I think the 14th or something.

PresenterSarah Armstronginterests of Americans for Safe Access in Ventura and Los Angeles counties foundProposedself-stated47:55

Oh no!

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed47:56

Don't quote me. We always have an audience, actor-director talkback session after the second matinee and those are very popular and informative. And even if you've come to a different showing of the play, you're welcome to come and join in that conversation. So after that our next show is Nonsense, our summer musical And followed by Rope, which is just a really scary play for October. And we're closing out our season with A Christmas Story the musical. Anyway, I encourage you all to come and see Disappearing Act opens May 5th and do you know? I notice when you're there.

Thank you very much. Would you like a card?

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction48:45

Thank you Jill. Much appreciated. Red was fantastic. Next we have Cindy Jones, then Joy Wenslaff and then Carl Hindman.

CommentCarl HindmanProposed · by introduction48:57

Hello I don't have my lines memorized like she did But good evening and thank you for giving me this public forum to speak Relax and breathe. I'm here for a different purpose tonight Tonight I'm here to bring attention to a beloved person and Ojai living treasure, fine artist Bert Collins. Bert will turn 95 in June and in celebration of this and to honor her fine art and mentorship to hundreds of people the Ventura County Creative Artists are dedicating the spring show to Bert. The name of the show is Bert Collins Our Inspiration Bert will have several pieces in the show and is still painting daily.

She's an inspiration to us all on so many levels. Bert, along with Gail Childress and Marta Nelson started the Ojai Studio Artist Tour back in 1983. Then in 1996, she started the Ventura County Pastel Artist Group. She was also a board member of the Ojai Arts Commission. Over the years, Burt's art has been collected by many and she still continues to produce beautiful pieces. Last summer, she had a show at the Art Center where she was featured and sold nearly all of her work.

Many were sold even before she hung them. The last few years, the pastel dust that she used for her paintings, the pastel dust that accumulates when you paint in pastel has started to affect her COPD. So she had to stop using pastel and switch to acrylic. didn't deter her, she switched to acrylic as her medium. So Bert's positivity and perseverance is a gift to us all.

Since she changed to acrylic many of us have been inspired to do so as well. In light of the change from pastel to acrylic our name has been changed to Ventura County Creative Artists in order to accommodate a wider variety of medium including pastel, acrylic, watercolor and oil. There will be 25 members of the group participating in the show, which is Saturday and Sunday May 6th and 7th from 11 to 4 in Burt's West Hills Gallery at 1545 Cuyama Road in Ojai.

And I hope you will all come and see our show and meet Burt And if you already know her, she'll be delighted to see a familiar face. And she'll light up your day. So come on out and catch the Burt vibe. You won't regret it. I'm going to leave some of these postcards at the front door so there will be some as you exit today. All

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction51:51

right. Thank you very much. Thank you, Cindy. Much appreciated. Next we have Joy Wensloff then Carl Hindman and then Larry Steingold.

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CommentJoy WenzloffProposedself-stated52:10

Hi. I guess I should start here. Hi, I'm Joy Wenzloff and I'd like to make a comment about what happens in the situation that's come up. I was very disturbed and disappointed about what happened at the City Council meeting in the latter part of March. This is when an item that was clearly on the agenda Similarly was some Larry Lee moved to late in the meeting. I am referring to the second portion of the public comments that was to take place immediately after for the first business item on the agenda.

Betsy initiated this change by saying that there was a man named Steve who drove three hours to get here and had been waiting to speak about the ATP project. Therefore, Betsy said that she was moving to push the public speaking portion towards the end of the meeting. And that motion passed. Those who were ready to speak at that time hung around a while and then finally left, which occurs a lot of the time when things get delayed. So there were no public speakers in the room when they were finally permitted to speak. Inquiries found that there were only three speakers who had been pushed aside.

Better way, a better decision would have been to realize that it was only going to take nine more minutes to let these three people speak rather than to make them wait a very long time. This was an inconsiderate action not only by Betsy but also by the City Council members who voted for this change This is now twice in the last few months where this has purposely been moved, the comments public comment section to the end of the meeting.

Which is very disappointing for all of us that have to wait for quite a long time so we're going to be watching to see if this happens again if so We will be back, insisting that there be no time limit at the beginning of the meeting so that all the speakers are permitted to speak at that time. I appreciate you listening and thank you. Thank you Joy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed54:39

Joy, I want to apologize. I agree that we didn't handle that as well as we could. I wish in retrospect...I was in favor. I seconded the motion that Steve, the consultant should be able to speak But at that point, in my opinion what we should have done is tell the people that are were online. That it would be several hours could be several hours before you would be allowed to speak and I agreed there is a better way. To handle it, especially when there's just a few and perhaps we need some flexibility.

You know that it's not a hard fast rule about 30 minutes and I'll make a point to bring it up with the council and I do apologize. I think we all feel that we could have handled it better. Thank you for speaking out. We need to hear that and clear the air. Thank you, Joy. Appreciate your comment. Thank

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role55:37

you. I was going to just point out, I think I recommended doing that because of the ATP and the million dollar project so blame where it's due and we'll try to do better.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction55:49

Thank you

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.8755:50

Joe. And I would just have a comment that the ATP consultant was paid a lot of money so, I mean he didn't drive three hours in an altruistic move which is why I voted no He could have waited another 10 minutes. So I think we also need to consider You know who we're deciding can wait if it's the public versus a paid consultant And and so, you know, I think that should be a consideration as well. Thank you

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction56:25

Next we have Carl Hindman and then Larry Steingold and then Kitty Bartholomew

CommentLarry SteingoldProposed · by introduction56:32

Hi, I'm a 20-year resident of the Ojai Valley. And I have a graduate degree from UC Berkeley and worked in finance for 40 years. But I'm not going to speak about finance tonight. I want to talk about something that's been very hot on my mind the last three weeks only, and that is shoplifting. I've been watching videos, YouTube videos, about what's going on in San Francisco and Portland, and I'm not happy with what I'm seeing.

And you may have already addressed this in the past, so if this is something that you've heard before that's fine. I see that there's an out-of-control epidemic of shoplifting throughout California. My daughter works in San Francisco. I've been up there to see what's going on. It's never too soon for us in Ojai to address these issues The videos show that the perpetrators do not appear to be of any one race or one economic background.

In San Francisco a couple years ago, I think a year ago they did a sting operation that showed that many of the stolen items were being fenced to organized individuals who then resell the items through Amazon, eBay and flea markets. It's I've been going up there for years and years, and I used to live there. And it's it's unbelievable I think if you guys haven't seen the videos it'd be excellent free to see them and the point of me bringing that up is not that we're San Francisco But I want to make sure that we're looking at all of our options to make sure that doesn't happen here in When Prop 47 passed in 2014, it reduced shoplifting from burglary which is a felony to a petty theft which is a misdemeanor if the amount is less than $950. And I watched as people walked into the Walgreens up there and walked out with bags and nobody's doing anything.

It's happening in Oxnard. My wife had an experience in a, I believe it's the Walmart, I mean Walgreens in Oxnard so it could possibly move up here so I want to make sure we're looking at this and I called one of my friends who Who owns the Westridge market and I said is shoplifting on the increase? And he said definitely. I asked David if I could use his name, and he said fine So it's what happens what I'm seeing happening is that as as the the Shoplifting increases these businesses are being hurt their costs go up and if you notice what happened in San Francisco the Whole Foods was open for a year and it closed.

And the Safeway, I remember in 1978, I visited the Safeway in Fisherman's Wharf. It was a beautiful store, it just closed. What are the reasons? Safety of the employees, shrinkage which is theft and operational losses.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction59:41

Thank you very much Carl. Next we have Larry Steingold then Kitty Bartholomew and then Jeffrey Starkweather.

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction59:47

Larry Steingold. I would like to thank you all for being involved with rent stabilization, housing, traffic, what have you. But right now, I think the city's at a crossroads regarding financial capacity and be able to pay for all the things everybody wants. We all want bicycle paths. We want 10 feet of concrete. We want trash picked up. We want all these things.

We have a budget of $16 million. The

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CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:00:20

budget is on the agenda.

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction1:00:22

Oh, OK. I thought it was just for discussion.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:00:25

No, it's the number three, I think?

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction1:00:28

Do you want to wait? Sure, I can switch gears. Not a problem.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:00:31

I know you can.

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction1:00:32

There's plenty of

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things here.

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction1:00:40

Yes, people have said to me you come here for shits and giggles. And I'm sorry and I don't. I would rather stay home and watch a movie. Okay? My job is I'm a constituent. I love living here. It's your job to make the city run day-to-day basis not create issues, not create problems but solve problems in a financially... I won't use the word money because that's in future right In a intelligent manner, you're well-intentioned amateurs because you're not professional doers. You care about what you do. You care about the town. Mr. Vega is the professional city manager here. It's his job to make sure the numbers work. It is his job to try and tell you we cannot continue on a path Where everything is deferred, where the roads are getting worse. Where Bryant is a disaster I don't even know when that's on the list and that's a third of a mile right so you have to start looking at future ways and I don't think the budget's about money here how about future monies?

That's not on the budget. How about we need more money Okay, we get a million people a year here. They don't leave enough money for the roads. They don't leave enough money for Libbey Park toilets. They don't leave enough for the pension. We have a roof that I have no idea what's going to happen at Boyd. Is the roof gonna go before the floor goes or is the floor gonna go before the roof goes? Is there mold in the roof are they're gonna red tag the roof okay so all these things have to get done So when you do look at the thing I won't mention, all right? Please be cognizant of this is on you.

Okay because you can only get money from real estate taxes which is nothing. You get money from sales tax which is sure let's charge them from Wednesday to Sunday Thank you, Larry. Next we have Kitty Bartholomew then Jeffrey Starkweather and then Colin Jones.

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CommentKitty BartholomewProposedself-stated1:02:58

Hi, guys. This is really fun for me. I've been here since early and I just love learning and hearing it. It's been a really, really interesting meeting. I had no idea all that you involved in here. I'm pretty new to this. But again, my name is Kitty Bartholomew. I've lived here for about 15 years. The first couple of years, I rented a cottage and the cottage is among the flowers which is interesting because I know it's been in the newspaper. And then for about the last 12 years, I've just lived a couple blocks away.

I' ve always read the newspaper. I retired here. I found my bliss here. My family and I don't call it Ojai. We call it Oz. And my dog's name is Dorothy. But anyway, I love this place and I've never really been an activist or been involved in anything like the City Council but I have read the newspapers a lot mostly for finding out what restaurants are the theaters. I've been involved in the theater since in town And the art sales, I'm crazy about the art sales and the estate sales. But I really started reading the newspaper on a regular basis around the election time.

I found it to be really extraordinary and provocative. And so you know my neighbors and friends and I we talked a lot about it and it was quite interesting things to read about and I started reading more and more in the Ojai Valley News. I wouldn't spend a lot of time formally reading those kind of things And then I thought, okay, I need to be engaged. I need to be a little bit more engaged and find out who's on first because I really don't know any of you guys personally but so I really want to do that and I think a lot more people want to do that. So I started spending some time going through trying to learn about the city and trying to figure out more about the various commissions Things that you guys are all involved in and I realized how difficult it is to try and navigate your website.

I didn't know you were the city manager. I was wondering who the city manager was, there was in fact a city manager so I didn't find your name there but so I thought I'm going to Google Ojai City Manager and then of course your name came up and then I thought okay what about a city attorney? So I couldn't find city attorney but then I googled Ojai City Attorney and then your name came up I guess the point being is that I think it would be really, really wonderful and helpful if the website was able to consist of everybody that is a volunteer, an elected official.

Anybody who's involved in the city that the public is able or encouraged to contact if they say you wanted to buy a plot at the cemetery or something. How would you do? What would you do, I don't know. But I think that these are the kind of things that should be readily available on our website. I think it should be, and not only that but you know speaking of the Ojai Valley News maybe they could have an insert or there could be something that would be in the mail that we could put on our bulletin board. You know that would be there so that we all know who's on first and who to call and that sort of thing. So basically that's all I wanted to say. So thank you for letting me be here Thank

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:06:33

you,

CommentKitty BartholomewProposedself-stated1:06:34

Kitty.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:06:34

Eric, can I just quickly say timing could not be better it's almost like I paid for that. So we at the end of the agenda today I was going to announce that we are launching our new website on this weekend and mostly what we're gonna ask everybody is to be our test audience and over the next week check it out next weekend check it out next week and start sending Shoot us an email or a comment about what works, what doesn't work, what you like, what you don't like. But we are launching that after many, many years of the same website this weekend and then just another chance for a plug, we have our MyOhai app as well for people who have smartphones where you can also send contacts or emails to us through that app so both of those are available will be available by the end of the week.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:07:31

Great news. All you had to do is show up, Kitty. See? Who knew? Thank you. All right. Next we have Jeffrey Starkweather and then Colin Jones and then Robin Gerber.

CommentColin JonesProposed · by introduction1:07:42

Good evening commissioners... Council members, excuse me. Mayor, staff, citizens. By the way, I think this is great because I get calls all the time asking me, where can I find these things? Because everyone knows I'm someone who finds everything. So yeah, I think it would be helpful to make it easier. I wanted to follow up on our great meeting we had last week on Tuesday with the joint staffs and we had such an in-depth discussion but I want to follow up on two things because they were kind of left hanging and maybe we could follow up on one was Mr. Whitman made that interesting suggestion about a element related to tourism and being compatible with small town, and I wasn't exactly sure where he was going with that but I think there is something here that is very specific it's called sustainable tourism, it's called eco-tourism, it' s called green tourism.

I'm gonna hand something out on about it and I will read this to you this is from Monterey County When our community has long been a leader in sustainable practices, our organization sought to educate visitors on how to travel responsibly. A successful tourism economy hinges upon a careful balance between providing visitors with an inspiring experience they desire while preserving and maintaining the quality of life for the residents.

They have a thing called Sustainable Moments, they won an award. Encourages guests to respect the beautiful destination that many of us call home to stay safe during their trip and to leave no trace By being mindful of our environment. I think that's somewhat what we're talking about, obviously traffic and so forth. And so there are elements in land use plans that are sustainable tourism but normally it's part of economic development and I have two examples, Santa Paula and what's the other city? San Clemente that have Economic developments that are only like 10 pages. So they're really broad outlines because we also talked about The need to bring in manufacturing or something stuff like that into our industrial part But we don't really have a clear idea what we could attract the Ojai so it would be fairly easy I think To put together a economic development element that would focus on those two things, focus on expanding our business and making our tourism less intrusive to ordinary people.

And to me the model is you drive into Ojai, you park your car and you never have to use it again. And there are communities that focus on doing that. So I hope we could maybe look at that as a way to go with this issue that was raised, thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:10:44

Thank you Jeffrey. Next we have Colin Jones and Robin Gerber then Jeff Schneider.

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CommentColin JonesProposedself-stated1:10:51

Hi thanks for letting me speak. I'm Colin Jones. I live in the East End. I am here to speak on a couple of subjects First, the ATP. I'm really concerned about it and where do you start? You know, I'd need three hours really to give a justice not three minutes. Question, do the citizens of Ojai want it and do you care? You admit the cost of this city is at least two million more than the grant will cover and because of that Because of that, extra infrastructure projects will be delayed.

So then how can you consider that the city which apparently is almost $5 million in the hole for pension funding and way behind on deferred maintenance? And so far the delay in street paving alone has added $1 million to the cost. You yourself Mayor said in the March 28th meeting, many of the roads were at a tipping point. If the Inn hadn't opened back up in April 2021 we would have been without reserves.

So what happens if we have another disaster? You also said that the ATP was supposed to be finished I believe in 2018 but we had COVID well COVID didn't come along till 2020 So the ATP should have been completed two years by then. So we're supposed to believe that a council that couldn't get it done before can manage it now with a shortened timeline and rising costs?

Councillor Whitman was so concerned about the overruns that he did attempt to abstain from the vote at first, so maybe more attention could be paid to his concerns. I wonder what happens if we start this project but are unable to finish because of rising costs. So that's my first one. The second one is an old sore, the Reach Code or whatever it's called these days.

I am joyful for the common sense and support of citizens' rights shown by the Ninth Circuit Court in overturning the city of Berkeley's gas ban. I hope this sends a strong message to the present council members that your job is to keep the city running and plan for a better future rather than what has been done, which is to spend three years virtue signaling with one hand and taking our rights away with the other.

Three years spent and only one home affected while the Pole got deeper. How much difference did that make to the climate? One home. I think it was a waste of time and energy. How much staff time was used? And for what? The time and money could have been spent on almost anything, like the homeless problem or affordable housing which I don't think most of you want anyway. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:13:54

Thank You Colin. Next we have Robin Gerber then Jeff Schneider

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction1:14:00

Mayor, members of the Council. I'm about a month past COVID so I apologize but I still have a dry cough. $29,870.12 that's the amount of city check number 75791 May now to the law firm shoot Mahali and Weinberger.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:14:20

This item is on the consent calendar, Robin? I'm sorry? This is general public comment that item's on the consent calendar. Do you want to make a comment on that item? I am going

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction1:14:28

to be pulling that item. Oh, I didn't know that. I missed that part. I didn't announce it yet. We have to

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:14:36

wait, but it's on

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction1:14:38

your mind

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:14:38

It's on the consent calendar you want to wait and make your comment at that time?

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction1:14:42

I'd rather not

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:14:46

Well because this is general public comment

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction1:14:50

and But

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:14:51

this but that item is on the agenda on the consent calendar

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction1:14:55

oh So do

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:14:56

you

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction1:14:57

wanna wait okay Well, I guess I

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:14:59

okay. Thank you.

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction1:15:00

Okay

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:15:02

next we have Jeff Schneider

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:15:14

Council citizens My comments tonight are directed to councilman rule and Full disclosure, I don't know you. I haven't had a conversation with you. I did shake your hand once When you were running for City Council, I Don't think you had an inkling About what was awaiting you just around the corner? You won your election and then the closed curtain A guard opened and that revealed the secret workings of a corrupt political apparatus disguised by innocent faces and well-meaning slogans whose intentions were carefully crafted to win elected power.

Later, once the power was achieved their plan was to slowly but methodically recreate Ojai in their own ideological image. We still don't know ultimately what their plan is, though we can attempt to connect the dots by what their actions have revealed. I won't speculate further. You took a brave and courageous stand when you chose to not protect their nefarious charade.

You put yourself in the direct line of fire announcing that you would not play ball. It was the action of a first responder Leslie You acted out of a sense of duty to protect. We owe you a sincere debt of gratitude. You not only protected yourself from their deception, but you protected all of us that revere truth and honesty. I'm sure you felt the weight of the loyalty of the citizens who voted for you as well.

There are many of us out here that see you Leslie and understand the sacrifices you have made to fulfill your duty We see that you have had much to face, slander, bullying, hostility, threats of being sued. But you took a principled stand. It must be lonely a great deal the time but I want you to know that there are many of us out here who are in this fight with you to protect the character of this city.

Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:17:41

Thank you, Jeff. All right we will take the rest of the public comments after our first discussion item so we will move on to discussion and just a word to the council about our structured communication as we saw in the joint meeting with the Planning Commission people get very excited to communicate which is wonderful and ask questions or comment but what's being said? So it's quite understandable that we'd want to jump in and share our thoughts In order though to run an efficient and fair meeting please remember though to get the acknowledgement from the chair before you speak The reason we do this is because there's a queue and I as the chair am constantly maintaining that Because you're not doing that. You may not be aware that there are others who are quietly waiting to speak So if you'd like to speak speak, please make eye contact with me and lift your hand to get in the queue We saw in the joint meeting with the Planning Commission how important that was So if you speak out of turn, I'm going to gavel you to go back to the queue out of fairness.

And if you have a comment or a question, please write it down and wait your turn. Of course, I am sure that we don't cut the line in the movie theater or the grocery store so let's maintain that here. Thank you. Okay, so we will move on.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:18:56

Yeah? I do have a comment on what you just said. There are moments when it is appropriate, you know there has to be some space for spontaneity. And if a council member whose turn it is says it's okay for somebody else to respond first there are going to be moments in order to have an intelligent dialogue There has to be room for that. We're not children, we're adults.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:19:28

I agree and if somebody would like to let you go ahead? I'm just saying there is a queue that is happening.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:19:33

I understand that but thank you. I just wanted to make sure that

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.871:19:37

there's space

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:19:37

for that.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.871:19:40

Yeah, and I've said this before and I think it bears repeating that This is the only time that we as a body get to get together and discuss things Because of the Brown Act so there is some sort of free-flowing conversation at some points I think that's necessary. Just because we don't ever get together and are able to discuss any of these items as a collective body, and that doesn't mean that we don't queue up but it's just really important that people understand That while we would like this to be a board of directors meeting or a business meeting, it is also the only time we can speak together on any issue.

And so it has its own life because of that in my opinion.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:20:39

I agree. We just need to take

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:20:41

turns. Yes, I do

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:20:44

All right, we will move on to discussion item number one the CalPERS retired annuitant position James we have a staff report

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:20:54

Yeah, very brief. Thank you mayor and This is a sort of strange item for us It's not how we normally do our an agenda our agenda, but it's basically a discussion item by technicality So otherwise we would have done it as consent But we have to technically do it as a discussion item because it involves a CalPERS retiree And there's laws requiring us to do those specific way So it's just some explanation of why the agenda is a little different this meeting. But very simply, we hired Lindy Palmer as our interim assistant public works director. She was a recent retiree from the City of Camarillo through the CalPERS system. And she's done a great job and I am now recommending we appoint her as the interim public works director.

The only drawback is because she's a CalPERS retiree, we can only hire... She can only work 999 hours a year so we still have our public works director position listed. We'd still would have recruitments but Lindy has graciously offered to fill the position As as much as she can in the meantime and she's done a great job with it leading projects And I recommend that the council approve that appointment and adopt the resolution to approve the appointment

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:22:19

Thank You James any questions from Council

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:22:23

When you say, did I hear you say 999 hours a year? So how much is that a month?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:22:30

Yeah. Matt just reminded me it's actually 960. We have different limits for different categories. So it's 960 hours a year. I think it works out to something like off the top of my head it was like 22 hours or something a week maybe a little less than that 20 hours a week But with you know vacations and things like that then we're able to get more hours other weeks So obviously the long-term goal is to is to get a full time Public Works director but in the meantime Lindy's done a great job and has done more than we probably could have asked for under those circumstances.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:23:08

Thank you

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:23:10

Any other questions? All right, we will move on to public comment. We have one public comments Stuart Griffith

1:23 – 1:2816 turns

CommentStuart GriffithProposed1:23:28

Stewart Griffith, resident of Ojai for 35 years or so. And you know there was a recent court case that was just settled in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals? That I wonder how it affects the recently passed natural gas hookup ban general comment right now?

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:23:51

No.

CommentStuart GriffithProposed1:23:51

Is that what it was? Oh did you call my name or no? Oh, number one. The pot thing? Or is that the budget? Because the number one was like a discussion item and I thought the pot thing was number one.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:24:06

No this is CalPERS retired annuitant position?

CommentStuart GriffithProposed1:24:09

Do you want to go on? I had a comment on the pot thing. What number

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:24:13

is that? That is number four.

CommentStuart GriffithProposed1:24:16

Can you change my card to four

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:24:18

please?

CommentStuart GriffithProposed1:24:19

Let me know when the pot comes up!

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.751:24:29

No raised hands mayor.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:24:30

Okay we will move on to discussion who would like to begin? Okay. I'll make a motion that we approve.

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.881:24:38

I'll second the motion. All

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:24:41

in favor? Do we need to vote on this, a roll call? Yeah because we're spending money. A roll call please.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion. All in favor? Do we need to vote on this, a roll call? Yeah because we're spending money. A roll call
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Mayor Sticks? Yes. Council Member Lange? Yes Council Member Ruhle? Yes Mayor Pro Tem Francina? Yes Council Member Whitman? Yes

Okay wonderful and thank you Lindy Thank You James All right, we will move on to the remainder of public comment before we move on to the consent calendar. First, we have Marion Niglio then Klaus-Peter Fleischmann and then Renee Roth.

CommentRenee RothProposed · by introduction1:25:21

This is sort of off the cuff, but we're worried about yard waste when we just created an environmental disaster with all the masks that we just threw into the environment and all the medical waste. But you know whatever I wish to address three items this evening first a public service announcement regarding where one should report adverse events from COVID vaccines second item The number of vaccine injuries reported to the CDC.

Third item, the document titled Notice to Stores which I will leave on the table at the door along with copies of the Constitution. First anyone experiencing COVID vaccine adverse events should have their doctors report those injuries to the V-safe data website vsafe.cdc.gov Second, the number of adverse events reported so far are as follows. 7.7% of COVID vaccinated people had to seek medical care from COVID vaccine injuries.

1.3 million COVID vaccine recipients missed work or school resulting from vaccine injuries and 25% of COVID vaccinated people became severely ill after receiving the vaccine. Third item I will address, the document titled The Notice to Stores Imposing Illegal Emergency Mandates records the U.S. federal laws and the California state laws that were violated by businesses but not limited to businesses including the Ojai Film Festival, the Ojai Music Festival and the Ojai Family Shelter. The most egregious violation was California Business and Professions Code 2052 Protecting practicing medicine without a license requiring someone to wear a mask or receive an emergency use authorized shot is a medical intervention. Unless you are a licensed medical professional, you have no authority to recommend such a practice further a surgical mask And all COVID-19 shots are designated by the FDA as a medical device.

You have no legal authority, responsibility or liability to require that of either your customers or your employees. No emergency order supersedes established law. Any health order related to mask wearing or shot receiving is unlawful and unenforceable by law. Remember that no president, vice president, governor, mayor, city council, school board, business owner or chamber of commerce can make laws. Nor can executive orders, city ordinances or store policies violate existing federal or state laws. This City Council and many businesses in Ojai have much to answer for. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:28:19

Thank you Marion. Next we have Klaus-Peter Fleischman then Renee Roth and then Deborah Moe.

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CommentDeborah MoeProposed · by introduction1:28:32

I brought some items with me, but I'm not going to speak on pickleball. Just so you know, I just came from the pickleball courts before attending the meeting.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:28:39

Are you getting

CommentDeborah MoeProposed · by introduction1:28:39

used to it? No, it's just that, you know, I was a lifelong tennis player. Anyhow, Klaus-Peter Fleischmann, German citizen, green card holder since over 35 years, degree in business education and divinity. And here I am also saying hello, Ojai International City of Peace. We want that the city embraces this designation more actively. I hope we can do that at some point, so I'm just making this as a comment. We make our presence known. We went to the farmer's market. I don't know how many of you had the opportunity to go.

It was delightful. One of the best things I've ever experienced since I live in Ojai. So I live on Brown Avenue since three years, so fairly moved from Connecticut. I have two minutes. I have a minute that will be a bit serious at the end, but it'll keep the light stuff going. So this is about that. I also am working with the Interfaith Council which has developed quite nicely and yeah so what I wanted to bring up is as an educator, I spent 25 years working in schools my main point here today is safety And it was drilled into us.

I had the unfortunate experience that my best friend's two children were in the Newtown school shooting and was very directly affected by that whole situation, and we were constantly drilled when I was in the public school about that. I'm just bringing this to how important safety is. My point is, I live on Brown Avenue and it's not safe for the children, for the people who walk their dogs. Downtown is really not safe for bicycles, for pedestrians, for people who have low mobility.

So I give you some homework as an educator. Each council member should think about something individually that can improve the safety especially in downtown for the people in those categories And I'll come back next time and ask you. Then you can talk among yourself. That's your homework. In closing, I think we should not be like Newtown happened right? And then everything else got done. We should not have to wait until somebody gets killed downtown because all this nonsense that there is no good safe crossing and no good bikes. I ride a bike everywhere. There is no bike path anywhere. Well maintained. There are a lot of issues we have to address So please, I love Ojai. This is a great opportunity.

Let's do it now while we can and make this Ojai as wonderful and even more wonderful as it is. So let's make Ojai, new slogan, slow high. Okay, 20 miles would be great.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:31:34

Thank you Klaus Peter. I

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.851:31:36

have a quick question for Klaus. You didn't mention the specific risk on drown? You said people were in danger. Oh yeah and so I just wanted to let you know tell us what it is that you're concerned as a high level of danger so that we can

CommentDeborah MoeProposed · by introduction1:31:57

Most people, the thing is most people in Ojai do the right thing. I mean people are very considerate, people are polite but there's every day we have a special need child right next to it he's out there with the garbage collecting and there's maybe five or six speeders a day. It only takes one and when I back out of my driver I mean more than almost every other day somebody just almost swipes me they go 40 miles an hour through Darnell Avenue. The Upper Drone got speed bumps we want them too. We want them everywhere Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:32:29

Thank you, Klaus-Peter. Next we have Rene Roth and Debra Moe and then Lynn Claife. I'm

CommentLynn ClaifeProposed · by introduction1:32:36

sorry, I slipped outside so I'm going to try to say ditto but what item are we on? Oh, we're on general comments? We opened it up instead of at the back of meeting? We did one item. So

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:32:57

we take a half an hour and then we do another one after

CommentLynn ClaifeProposed · by introduction1:32:58

the rest. Okay so I get to do my general comments okay great thank you very much good evening members of the council and staff and Greg Coleman nice to see you we haven't seen you before

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:33:16

He's enjoying it.

CommentLynn ClaifeProposed · by introduction1:33:17

Yeah So as far as general comments, thank you for opening it back up I appreciate that so I Have I'm gonna try to get into three things and I've got two minutes One thing James I would like to say thank you very much for giving us a new website I tried to prepare and understand the budget because we have a general fund presentation I know you're going to do and I like to be prepared and I like to go see what the current budget numbers are. And when I went into the city's website, I see a document that is a PDF and it's about 200 pages long. And I have to try to download the 200-pages long document to try to find certain schedules that I'm looking for. It's very antiquated and old, and I'm really hoping that you can upgrade the city's website to include the general fund in one section of the website.

The Capital Improvement Project Fund in another section of the website. The Reserve Policy in another section of the website. So that when we as the public are trying to understand how the city is managing or running things, we have access to the resources that we know you should and will be following. So that's my first request. The second one has to do with Rachel.

You and I agree the city doesn't have a climate action plan, and I heard at the last Combined Council and Planning Commission meeting you really wanted to do a climate action plan? I used to think the city needed a climate action plan But I have changed my mind It's going to be way too expensive and take way too much time. It's probably gonna cost 150 to $200,000 or more and In my opinion it would be money better spent if we added the climate action element to the housing part of the plan that we already have and in terms of And that's what Ventura County did. They still have a climate action plan, and they developed a climate action plan as part of other elements of their general plan. So I'm just trying to get there faster and quicker and more efficiently.

Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:35:54

Thank you, Renee. Next we have Debra Moe then Lynn Claife then John Drucker.

1:36 – 1:4414 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:36:05

Good evening. Deborah Moe lived here nearly 40 years and I'm here to talk about something positive, and I wrote a poem today about it. It's entitled Potholes. The roads we travel are bumpy and old, with many a pothole to behold. I ride a scooter and fell in today as traveling about on my way. It wasn't too deep and wasn't so wide, so I continued along the road on my ride.

There's a bright side of this little story, and I promise you'll see it won't be boring. A couple of years ago when COVID was in the park, I spoke with Mr. Vega regarding the roads and what I'm here to say today is that I am so impressed with our city crew regarding the potholes because I know the number well, I know the extension well. I call at least every week to report several new potholes and I'll tell you what our city crew is on it. I mean, sometimes we have to wait for them to get the material.

As was today, there's three pretty good sized potholes on Grand between Lyon and Montgomery and on my little scooter, I hit one and it wasn't real pleasant but I didn't go down but I just wanted Congrats, I mean just Tell the city crew that they matter that. I Think they do a swell job. I live by Clough Park. I See them over there Francisco is just I mean, they're just They do a really good job. So that's what I'm here to say Thank you

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:38:18

Thank You Debra much appreciated

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role1:38:19

Eric, if I can add. Yeah so we do have a really good crew right now so thank you for acknowledging them and I need to acknowledge them more Francisco Joseph and Juan and Scott and Carmen and now if I forget someone I'm in trouble uh I think I got it all But anyway, so we have a great crew. Also just to the point if you do see potholes because we know you know we're blessed with rain but the unfortunate part is weeds are sprouting like crazy and potholes are forming like crazy So we are working on the paving, we're planning to bring that to council soon to move forward. But in the meantime, we are filling potholes because we know that the problems are being created from the rain. So you can report those to us by calling us or by using the MyOhai app.

So thank you for that.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:39:09

Much appreciated James. Okay Len Claife then John Drucker and then Stuart Griffith

CommentStuart GriffithProposed · by introduction1:39:14

Good evening, Leonard Klaif. I live in the city of Ojai. I decided to speak at this portion of the meeting after listening to the Harrison report. Something that's come to mind... I've thought about a bunch of times and haven't said anything. The trash cans that the city has in front of the post office, in the park and several other locations, there are twin trash cans.

One is marked waste, one is marked recycle. The recycle bins got a circle opening, which seems to indicate that the only thing you want in that are cans and bottles. That's contrary to what we think about as recycling if you things that go into the recycling bin. So is paper allowed in those things? Only cans and bottles? Can you put up a picture of the things that can go into the recycle bin so we know what we should use it for. I think that would be helpful, and help bring us into compliance with all these state rules and regulations.

Moving along, a couple of yes. Green tourism great way to promote the city of Ojai. I live on North Fulton Street which is one block over from Drown. The speeders that don't speed up Drown speed up Fulton Street If you read the crime reports in the Ojai Valley News, there are maybe three or four things that the police investigate each week. I don't know how we spend so much money doing that but it would be good if we put them out on the streets and ticket people for going 40 miles an hour on drown.

That would...I'd feel much better about paying all that money if they were like saving people As opposed to doing whatever they are doing, no offense. And last but not least I want to thank the city, the businesses, the public accommodations and everybody who acted in a sane way by following CDC advice and requiring masks during an epidemic that killed a million Americans. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:41:25

Thank you Len. Next we have John Drucker and then Stuart Griffith

CommentJohn DruckerProposedself-stated1:41:30

Hello everyone, I'm John Drucker. I live on Creek Road and have my law office just a block away from here and tonight I speak only on my own behalf About five months ago simply Ojai filed the lawsuit against the city two weeks later The council was set to confer in closed session with the City Council City Attorney excuse me about that lawsuit and that lawsuit only But the mayor had other plans. She colluded with her friend and Simply Ojai's lawyer, Sabrina Venskas to commandeer the meeting and persuade the council to hire a lawyer for the city picked by Ms. Venskas, the lawyer suing the City.

As former three-time mayor Carol Smith described the mayor's behavior, it was like the farmer hiring the fox to guard the hen house. And now we are told we're paying the foxes hire $30,000. On January 24th Councilmember Rule exposed the corruption she saw on her very first day on the job while Mayor Sticks and City Attorney Matthew Summers both shouted down and shut down any further discussion of it.

The Mayor called the public outrage about her corruption a conspiracy theory and tried unsuccessfully to sue Ms. Rule, both to punish her and prevent any further imaginary disclosures. Mayor Sticks then muzzled the public by moving public comments from the traditional beginning of the Council session to the end at about 11pm. Fifteen hundred people then petitioned the Ventura County District Attorney to investigate the Council's numerous closed session violations.

The DA did so and urged Mr. Summers and the City to record all future closed sessions moving forward, but Mr. Summers kept those communications with the DA secret even from the Council members for a month. The City Council finally considered the DA's request in closed session and ignored the DA's request. Instead, the Council promised to host its own workshop to deal with future closed sessions while ignoring the numerous egregious violations of its recent past.

But a workshop, which you haven't even yet put on an agenda is no substitute for transparency. I speak for a lot of folks who really want you to comply with the DA's recommendations. So I ask you to please reconsider and start recording all closed sessions so that we don't have to waste precious time and resources monitoring you and any secret agendas. Thank you for your service.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:44:12

Thank you, John. And just a correction, I never threatened to sue anyone.

CommentJohn DruckerProposedself-stated1:44:18

You had a motion that went to a vote and if it were not for Rachel Lang's integrity, you would have won and you would have succeeded in suing Councilmember Rule.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:44:30

That wasn't what we were voting on but...

CommentJohn DruckerProposedself-stated1:44:31

Yes it was

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:44:32

no

CommentJohn DruckerProposedself-stated1:44:32

matter what you want to say about it Madam

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:44:34

Mayor.

1:44 – 1:5015 turns

CommentStuart GriffithProposed1:44:38

Thank you. Stuart Griffith, resident of Ojai. Yeah I'm just curious as to how the recent ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court where they said that the Energy Policy and Conservation Act it's a federal law I guess preempts any local regulations concerning energy use of natural gas hookups and appliances so since that was passed just a month ago I'm just wondering, wouldn't we need to bring that full circle and make an announcement to the public about what the future of the local ordinance would be?

That's it. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:45:22

Thank you, Stuart.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:45:24

Mayor, do you have a comment? City Attorney, how we're going to handle that?

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction1:45:28

Sure. The Ninth Circuit, a panel thereof decided in a decision released earlier this month that Berkeley's ordinance which is similar to but not identical to Ojai's ordinance regarding natural gas infrastructure violated the federal law that protects natural gas infrastructure The ruling is finalized to the City of Berkeley. It is not directly applicable to the City of Ojai, both because the City of Ojai is not a party to the lawsuit and because our ordinance is not identical to Berkeley's ordinance although admittedly similar we are analyzing the ordinance the similarities of the ordinance to assess Ohio's ordinance against this Ninth Circuit decision, I also expect that the City of Berkeley will appeal.

I have asked the League of California Cities who monitors these things if we have word yet from Berkeley whether they intend to appeal to the full Ninth Circuit or to them and or to the Federal Supreme Court. They have 30-ish days to file that appeal so we are awaiting that decision before anything can return to this Council as that window If the Ninth Circuit grants en banc review by the full Ninth Circuit, that is not just three judges but the entirety of the court.

That often but not always stays the panel's opinion subject to the en banc opinion granting review. Similarly, the U.S. Supreme Court if they take the case that does stay in the Ninth Circuit's decision unless the Supreme Court acts otherwise. So those situations influx but we're aware of it, we're monitoring it and we're waiting for a couple of those further actions particularly to see whether Berkeley appeals or doesn't appeal and then will return with report to the City Council.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:46:58

Thank you

CommentStuart GriffithProposed1:46:58

Matt.

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction1:47:06

No final non-appealable decision affecting the City of Ojai is in place, therefore the City of Ojai's ordinance continues to be in place unless further action of the City Council. There has been no such request of the City Council.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:47:19

Any comments online Weston?

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.751:47:21

Yes Mayor we have one raised hand. Becky you have the floor There we go. Go ahead, Becky.

CommentSteve QuillacyProposed1:47:32

Thank you. I had a moment to figure out how to unmute tonight. Thank you Weston. I just have to say I am so entirely sick and tired of hearing these false allegations being alleged against our mayor And simply Ojai, all of whom have given tirelessly to this community with the best of motives and are some of the least. unethical or unlawful people that I have ever had the privilege of having any kind of knowledge of, they're excellent human beings. And I'm sick and tired of these people repeatedly coming up here and continuing this smear campaign against these wonderful people when there is absolutely no basis for these assertions.

The truth of the matter is, Mayor Sticks did not collude with Sabrina Venskis to hire a friend of Sabrina's to represent the city. That is patently false. All that Sabrina did as many attorneys do is refer our mayor to three different companies, three different law firms who are well versed in Civil and municipal law, and who have worked with various organizations around our city in the past.

She did not refer Mayor Sticks to any particular individual who is her personal friend or anything of the sort. And that is just so despicable I wanna spit nails. Furthermore, the person who needs to be observed in closed sessions is Leslie Rule. She is the person who is most likely the one who violated the Brown Act. Now, I'm not going to go into all of what I have studied and researched to come to this conclusion. But I hope that one of these days the truth is going to come out about this because it is not the way it seems and not the way that John Drucker and Leslie Rule have painted it. And I am sick and tired of hearing people come here and on Facebook and social media with these despicable allegations that have no truth in fact. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:50:06

Thank you, Becky. Is that it Weston? That's all mayor. Okay. All right we will move on to the consent calendar is there a motion to approve I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:50:14

want to pull item 2c

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:50:16

okay all right uh is there a motion to approve everything

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:50:20

I'll move to approve the rest unless there's something else I seconded

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:50:23

okay all in favor

1:50 – 2:0527 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:50:30

Item C is the city warrants, the expenses and on page 25 of item C there are payments. There's a list of payments in excess of $10,000 And then item six is a payment to the law firm Schutt, Michal and Weinberger for $29,870 which we can round out to $30,000. Oh my gosh! I'm sorry, I'll start over. Okay, we're on... We're on item C of the consent calendar And on page 25, I identified that correctly didn't I?

You will see a check summary of payments in excess of $10,000. Am I talking okay into the mic now? Okay thank you for the reminder. Item six is a check to the law firm Schutt, Mihaly and Weinberger for $29,870. And that item has been under a lot of... The public has asked a lot of questions about that item. That refers to the lawyer Ms. Minor Who was During a close during the first closed session The newly seated council went into closed session after the first meeting Correct in January Newly seated we went to our first closed session.

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction1:52:25

It wasn't December not January, but yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:52:27

at December Thank you In December and during that meeting, Mayor Sticks brought up the need to hire an

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:52:38

outside- Can I just remind council that we took an oath of office not to reveal what's in closed session. And revealing what is said in closed session is against the law so this is why

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:52:53

Yes,

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:52:53

but it's so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:52:54

okay. So you can correct me if I'm I Wanted I want to give a little background and remain within the the legal parameters But there have been public comments about this item. So I want to clear up that this was a

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction1:53:12

payment Just one second. Mr. City attorney could you comment because I wanted we need to protect the city and disclosing information The

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:53:24

item is on the agenda. The city owes the public an explanation for spending that amount of money that was not approved in an open session, and it was a very difficult session during which I asked... We cannot talk about what's said in closed sessions. Okay, well, in any case... Let me jump in here. Wait, we received... Hold up, let me jump in. It's not for future services. It's for the payment, for what transpired and I want to public to be assured that we are not hiring this law firm again in the future if I can have that assurance.

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction1:54:08

So the check as reported in the Warrant Register to Shumahali Weinberger for $29,000 and change is for All past services rendered by the firm since December through February regarding the Simply Ojai versus City of Ojai lawsuit and the subject of the lawsuit, which was a CEQA challenge and land use. Planning and zoning law in MAP Act and other laws challenged to the city's approval of the Becker Development Agreement. That was a services for which the firm was retained, the check as reported covers the entirety of those services there are no future payments coming from those services this check is all of it.

The council can hire any firm they want in the future I am not, there's no present plans for staff to recommend hiring this firm again but it's difficult to give a definitive forever statement because forever is forever. But there are no plans that I'm aware of at the moment to hire the firm for any other work and staff does not anticipate that need but it's obviously up to the council The decision to hire the firm was made in closed session, that was lawful.

The closed session was agendized to consider simply Ojai versus City of Ojai lawsuit. And this is all sticking to what we can discuss as acknowledged by the council previously. The firm was hired to provide legal advice on that subject. That was a unanimous decision of the city council. That was lawful services were rendered Now comes the check to pay for those services. We're not expecting, there are no outstanding services, there are no outstanding invoices, there's no more money to be paid to the firm unless of course the council chooses in the future to hire them for something else in the future nothing is expected. The most important thing regarding any further conversation on this subject The council's oath and state laws and commitments to each other are clear, to not reveal the substance of the communications and the advice provided by Ms.

Minner and the firm Shumahali & Weinberger. It is obvious what they were hired for. I've stated that plainly. They were hired to provide legal advice to the city regarding the Simply Ojai v. City of Ojai lawsuit and its subject, a legal challenge to the Becker Development Agreement with Ojai Bungalows Greenhawk LLC and Ojai Bungalows, but we are not discussing the substance of the advice because that is protected by attorney-client privilege held by a majority of the City Council and the Brown Act privileges held by a majority of the City Council.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:56:46

Wait I have a question since I... But are we as city council members not allowed to see the invoice? Absolutely there's been no request made. Okay so I'm requesting a copy of that

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction1:57:00

We can, to clarify we can give a council a copy of everything we have from the firm. We had no received no requests today except the prior request which was fulfilled so if there's a request yeah we can provide the council under privilege not for public review the invoice If a public workers act request is made, a redacted copy of the invoice can be provided. Redacting certain internal compilation information.

So I'm hearing a request for the council for that document that can be provided for sure to the council.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.871:57:30

A couple of points. We first talked about this I Instructed and asked you to ask the law firm for a call record a call log of all calls I would like us to know if we got that at which time you told me That and this was not privileged that the attorney had refused and said that it would come with the invoice so I would like to I Would like to follow up with that The second thing is, I would like to make a motion that the Council now at this particular point here rescind the privilege of those closed sessions and discuss openly and transparently what occurred.

So I am making that motion.

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction1:58:20

Two comments if I may. In order, yes you asked me to ask the attorney for a call log. I conveyed the request their response was no. I will not provide a detailed word-by-word call log but i'll provide a memo or the bill rather I conveyed that to you by email. The full council can it's privileged is available to that as well we can convey the invoice. The invoice includes it's a standard attorney's bill. It does not have a complete call log council majority as I also explained to you can certainly ask Ms. Minner for a call log, and then we can have a discussion regarding whether she does or does not provide one depending on her response with the council majority which I was also clear would be required to ask for more than the bill.

So as a step forward, I'd recommend that council will provide a copy of the invoice to the council and then if there's majority direction from there on an agenda with majority direction further request information beyond the bill can be made Second, waiving the privilege is not on tonight's agenda. Tonight's agenda is regarding the approval of the warrant register, not any substantive item to avoid further plain Brown Act violations and allegations thereof that would have to be a future agenda item but absolutely could be a future agenda item.

The council has waived privilege in the past last about... It was in late 2015 and it was done into closed session discussion The council can consider that in closed session or in open session. I ask for council direction, two members of the council can put it on the agenda. Obviously any action would take majority vote.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.871:59:55

I have a follow-up question. The amount is on the agenda? Yes. We know who it's from? None of that is in closed session so my question to you staff city attorney is what can we speak about since it is on the agenda And we have discussed a certain amount of it. What right here, right now can we discuss? We can discuss the amount. We know who it came from. We've discussed that. What can we discuss?

What can we unprivilege right here, right now given that we know the amount and On that item, it is an agendized item. We can vote something on it. I type just simply...

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:00:46

The council's options are to approve the warrant register or disapprove the warrant register or partially approve the warrant register. That

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.872:00:53

is it. How do we discuss approving or not approving? How do we come to a decision if it can't be discussed?

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:01:03

The council cannot discuss the substance of the advice absent a majority waiver of privilege. That can be done on a future agenda item, it cannot be done tonight as that's not on the agenda regarding waiving privilege. This discussion can be about the warrant registrar and that's what the item is, not to waive the privilege. I'm not done, that can be done but on a future agenda. It takes two members of council to put it on an agenda and it takes three members of council to vote to waive the privilege

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.872:01:32

I understand that. I have a further question. We can't, how can we vote whether to approve it or not if we as a council cannot discuss what it entails and why we might want to approve it or not approve it. How is that a possibility to do? There must be, in order for us to make a decision, a way for us to discuss it

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:02:07

If you want to discuss the substance of the legal advice that would have to be done in closed session at a future agenda item, unless there was a majority vote to waive the privilege. So you have two paths forward. If you want to have it in a closed session discussion, it's approve the rest of the warrant register, continue that item check number 75791 Continue that check and then have it discussed in closed session under threat of litigation because if we don't, well the checks already been paid so it would be attempting to initiate litigation against the firm to reclaim the money.

So that can be done in closed session Two members can put it on the agenda and you would vote tonight to defer that check to that meeting. Option two would be an open session discussion, two members of council can put it on a future agenda to discuss both the warrant register item and consideration of waiving the attorney client privilege that protects the subset of the communications. The path there is two members of council make the request And tonight you would approve the warrant register minus check 75791. So there are two paths to accomplish the goal you've stated, they both require two members of council to put it on a future agenda and they require three members of council to not approve that item tonight.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.872:03:22

I would make that a motion in both cases.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:03:25

We have comments from Bush, Andy and Rachel. Can they take turns now? Andy and then

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:03:32

Rachel. Mr. Summers answered what my question slash comment was going to be the details of anything on the warrant register Confidential can be discussed in private session or closed session.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:03:54

Rachel?

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.882:03:55

Yes. It's my understanding that we are planning on having a workshop to openly discuss some of what happened, that it would be a moot point to put this on a future agenda item since we already have plans for a public workshop. That would offer answers to a lot of questions that the general public has. And so my question is do we? I know that we-

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:04:21

Yeah, that is per the council's prior direction. The staff is planning a workshop On Brown Act and transparency issues. I don't think we have a date yet. We're trying to coordinate with the speakers, so I don't have a date to announce but we are planning to coordinate that workshop. I know there's some debate regarding the subject of it but I expect at this point that it will include both a backward-looking discussion of all of the events that have been discussed here and a future looking discussion of whether or not to accede to the district attorney's request to record future closed sessions. So yes, that is on a future agenda, date uncertain.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:04:58

Thank you. Thanks, Matt. I'd just like to say something and because this is illegal to reveal what's in closed session, I have not responded to any of the assertions that have been made because it happened in closed session and it's not legal Excuse me, it's not legal to reveal that in open session until we have made a decision So I appreciate your comments. I'm gonna finish and the other thing is disclosing Information from closed session really does put the city's strategic process at risk And so I really feel strongly that we need to take care of the city protected and not put the city at any risk so we can we can Agendize for the future. We have a workshop coming So I

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:05:45

would like to finish

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:05:47

yeah, okay. We're taking turns because you know everybody gets a chance to speak Okay, then Sousa then Leslie

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:05:54

Okay, my motivation for pulling this item was I think the public wants to be aware of why this amount of money was spent. I'm also interested in protecting the city and accountability for how we spent money which in my opinion was a mistake and it's very important that we learn from our mistakes so you may have a different opinion but this was not what I wanted to do And also, when we get to the budget.

I want to discuss these kind of items because we're spending money that does not need to be spent, in my opinion. And that's why I brought it up. Now did I hear Mr. City Attorney? Did I hear you say that if we pull this item, I don't want to be sued by her. I just as soon approve everything. Call attention to this item. My other question was, I thought that if an expenditure was over $25,000 that the whole council had to re-approve it. Originally it was

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:07:06

$30,000. In your first term it was $25k, now it's $30k? Now it's 30k because it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:07:10

went from a 23k estimate to 30k. Okay, so what I don't necessarily want to pull anything. I wanted to just Explain that we have this is not for any future services. It's a past correct mistake in my opinion and What did you say about the the repercussions if we pull it?

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:07:35

So the check has already been issued the warrant register speaking out about this firm But generally the warrant register it's a list of past checks that are paid. Yes added to the council in the community For awareness and for the council to approve receiving and filing. It's not approving a stack of checks, not yet mailed out there already been mailed in cashed so If the council wanted to try to claw the payment back.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:07:57

No, I don't want to do

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:07:58

that. That's initiating a lawsuit and complex and would need to be discussed in closed session.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:08:03

I just no, I don't want to do any of that. I want to be done with this. There will be an opportunity to discuss this more it sounds like. I want accountability and I want us to learn from our mistakes. That's it.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.872:08:17

Leslie? Well gosh, let's see first of all yes Rachel we have most definitely agreed to have a workshop We are unclear on what that workshop is going to look like It is now three months and counting and we don't have a date So I think that there's a sense that at some point we need to say this is going to happen and we're going to talk about it. We just keep pushing it off, we can't move forward, we don't know what we want to talk about all these kinds of things so at some point that game stops and we need to move forward and we need to say you, suggestion that we have an open workshop, okay? Talking about everything.

And we agreed, at least three of us agreed that it would be an open workshop talking about everything because it was needed for the city to be very clear on what had occurred. So I think that it's a time, it's the time that is the problem. We keep saying we're going to do it yet we don't and now you know we kept saying wait till the warrant comes in. You know wait till we pay the bill.

Well it's happened and still we have nothing on the books and as far as and I will say this and I will not get into it. It is an interpretation That my divulging what I did was improper. I have actually spoken to the district attorney, it is an interpretation of the law. I don't know whether you would agree or not Matt but I know that it is so and I understand that Betsy Mayor Betsy would like to take the interpretation of the city attorney and say that I have broken the law But I've spoken to attorneys and it is at best a gray area, at best. And I have spoken to the DA about this and you don't see any repercussions coming my way. So that having been said, that closes my comment

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:10:37

All right, can we move on to public comment? Don't we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:10:40

have to

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:10:41

complete

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:10:41

this?

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:10:41

Wait. No I want to make a comment but because of the Brown Act all I'm gonna say is I object to everything that Councilmember Rule just said because she's stating things as if they're a matter of law or some decision has been made and that has not occurred and I will say one thing There is a legal process when you believe that the Brown Act has been violated, and that legal process was not followed in this case. And instead of following process and having people make decisions about how the Brown Act applies, there was a wholesale disclosure to where we now have members of the public reading a legal memorandum From a law firm, to us telling us what they feel about that legal memorandum.

And that is really wrong.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.872:11:41

That shall come up and let's have a discussion about it when- Can you bring back to the chair? I just would like to respond. I said it was interpretation. I did not say that's what I said. I hope you heard that this was interpretation of the law which is why you have attorneys who go to court and they fight over interpretations of the law So let's be really clear about what I said and what I didn't say.

And to that end, I am just going to leave it there. It's an interpretation of the law. That's what it is. And I have spoken to the DA, and you do not see me getting any kind of cease and desist. So thank you for that. Rachel

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:12:27

you don't see

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.882:12:28

any And that is anytime we talk about this subject it is very uncomfortable Because I mean for the whole public, I mean I hear about this people email me about this because it shows a dysfunction in all of us working together and and I think the public workshop is the only way this is going to happen because there are several of us here who aren't saying what happened in that closed session.

Because we value the provision that the Brown Act offers for us to have closed session meetings when we're talking about legal issues, lawsuits That could cost us even more money and so I'm going to ask my colleagues that we please refrain from saying anything else about this until we have the public workshop.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:13:23

Thank you, Andy.

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ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:13:31

There's one additional issue that you know, we need to address and that is When we as a board or as a council have a vote That's the vote of the council And while you may disagree with it, it's still the vote of the council. And there are legal procedures for you to contest what we did by vote of the council. You can ask for reconsideration or any other method but To talk about what we did in this meeting as a mistake, I think is not good for the public.

It's not good for majority rule which is the rule that we have in this city, in this state, in this country and I don't think that any mistakes were made But we're confined to explain what we did, because the law tells us that what we did and the explanation for what we did is confidential. All

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:14:49

right let's move on to public comment first we have Bill Miley. Do we have

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:14:52

to finish the vote?

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:14:54

No we have to take public comment on consent item 2C before there's a vote.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:14:58

Oh thank you.

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:14:58

I believe there are public comment cards on 2c.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:15:00

Bill Miley Larry Steingold and then Robin Gerber

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:15:04

We got the rest of it approved.

CommentBill MileyProposed2:15:10

Good evening, Bill Miley. So I too want to say something about the $29,870. I have several questions. My information says this was a consultation retainer for a law firm to defend the city from a lawsuit filed against the city regarding the Becker project. Now, a lot of people know more than that but this is kind of new to me. My understanding is that this suit is now on hold with no court date set.

It's on hold because of the approved referendum on the project set for March 2024 primary election Questions here. Just how could our city use $29,000 worth of legal advice for a suit on hold? How did the contract get approved? I've heard different versions. I understand it was at the request of the mayor and approved by the city manager not the City Council and it wasn't approved or even acknowledged in public forum.

Rumor says that this law firm was recommended by the attorney suing the city against the Baker Project and this recommendation was accepted by the mayor, and this could be it seems an ethical violation. The public has a right to view the contract which this payment activates I believe this is a blight on our city's use of taxpayer money with no public disclosure.

So, this is what I request the council to fully disclose how this contract came about, what the benefits were that the city got for the $29,000 Also, I request that the council review the process in a public forum used to create such a contract. To prevent such a debacle ever happening again. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:17:48

Thank you Bill. Mr. City Attorney can we correct how it was approved?

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:17:54

As noted before, the City Council approved the hiring of Shumahali Weinberger unanimously. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:17:59

Thank you. Next

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.872:18:00

we have Larry... I'm sorry, I have a question. Is that not confidential information that was done in a closed session?

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:18:06

The council had previously authorized that to be disclosed in prior discussions. I don't remember

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:18:09

that. Next we have Larry Steingold then Robin Gerber and then John Drucker.

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction2:18:15

I know I don' look like Larry but he's switching places with me. So take two. on this. Mayor, let me say you keep repeating the idea that everything said in closed session is confidential it simply isn't and when the city attorney said it was legal to approve the payment and to hire Shute Mahali in the closed session it was legal but it wasn't necessarily necessary and the council can decide that some of the things that you're doing in closed session should be done in open session. And, in fact, the city attorney it's his duty when you're in a closed session to say wait a second we are talking about things that should be done in open session so please stop saying that just because it's a closed session everything is confidential if we operated that way it would be a disaster for democracy Well, how did we get here?

That's been pretty much laid out why we're spending $29,870.12. It happened in that first closed session the new council members didn't much question this request for outside legal counsel which isn't surprising there was to my understanding no vote This is process, not confidential for example in a closed session. I'm imagining that there was some head nodding but I can't know because it was in a closed session.

At the next closed session and not long after the first came out the information that you had this recommendation come from the opposing council again, I can't see- Can I just

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:20:02

ask the city attorney? I mean this is revealing closed session

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:20:06

So far, Ms. Gerber has talked to things that have been reported in the newspaper. Okay,

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction2:20:10

thank you Matt and also things that I would say you should have said to the council. I am advising you that these items should be moved to an open session but There are gray areas as has been noted. I do wonder if that closed session had been an open session, if people other than Councilmember Francina would have raised the point why are we spending this money? We have a city attorney.

$29,872.12 later we the taxpayers are stuck paying for an attorney whose advice was in fact questionable at best I'd love to tell you what that advice was but as has been discussed we really haven't seen much information about that It's being hidden from us, the taxpayers and apparently from the City Council as well. This again Matt I'm afraid is because you like secrecy is the best way to protect your clients that also is something that you should look at and the council should meanwhile I'm sure the Green Coalition Girls Empowerment Fire Safe Council Help of Ojai would value any piece of that $29,870 the Arts Commission that I used to serve on That gives out grants. We'd love to have some of that money But as the mayor reminds us we must be fiscally responsible and you have lectured the council about there many times Paying for extra attorneys, cutting off non-profits and continuing to stonewall when again you don't have to.

Thank you. Thanks Robin. Next

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:21:42

we have Larry.

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:21:43

I have a question for the last speaker Ms. Gerber. I think I understood from what you're saying that you're aware of what the legal counsel advised us is that correct?

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction2:21:57

I am not aware of what the legal counsel advised you

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:22:01

You're telling us you would tell us except for Our attorney has said not to talk about that.

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction2:22:08

I Don't think I said that I'm not sure what you're referring to. I Said, I'd love to be able to tell you What was in the? What items that you got or in The attorneys contract for instance how the retainer that you did and

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:22:31

People can look back at the tape and hear what she said. Look I just asked a question you said you don't you said you're

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction2:22:44

Okay, Heather Minner in closed session let's not get into a

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.872:22:49

conversation here Privilege. Yeah, I would ask you to ask councilman Whitman to please not be hostile to a someone who's making a General comment and say, I mean the implication was you can look back to tape and you can see what was really said. It was pretty clear what you meant and it was unseemly at best. And I would ask that you show a little bit of respect. Your comment was at best unseamly and it was accusatory and it was uncalled for.

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CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:23:31

Larry Steingold and then John

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction2:23:32

Drucker. Good evening, Larry Steingold. Larry Steingold the $29,000 that you spent was very easy because it slipped in under the 30,000 so you're not amateurs okay because that was very finessing okay you managed to slip it in Otherwise it would have to go before you if it was more than $30,000. How do we get through a public records request for the telephone log?

and all the redacted things that we can see from the attorney, and also a personal records request for Mr. Summers' logs regarding all the activities that had been above and beyond his base pay—sorry here—for $11,000 or $12,000 because now the pay is going up to $300,000 and change, and all of that's got to be applied to certain projects and minute logs, and as attorneys you both know that. So now that Mr. Becker has agreed to a referendum, And we know Simply Ojai has agreed to a referendum because that's what Mr. Francis said, why don't they drop the lawsuit? So can you people, can three of you please ask Simply Ojai why don't they drop the lawsuit?

Because now it's all simple because now it's going to be up to the public. So simply Ojai can do their marketing and Mr. Becker can do his marketing, and we can all see how it's all going to shake out and then democracy works and everybody can go home. Okay that would be nice just drop the referendum I'm not referring just drop the lawsuit because then we don't have to worry about now we can get on to other things Because it's really not about the flowers and the cottages. It's all about the other 51 units, because those are all 51 new people coming into Ojai. The 40 new units, the other 11, it's all about keeping the population down. And that's the goal. No new construction. The flowers are already here.

But the other 51 units are all new. And that's why... That's the problem. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:25:55

Thank you Larry. Next we have John Drucker.

CommentJohn DruckerProposedself-stated2:25:59

Hello again. I'd just like to make a couple of brief comments and then a more general comment. First of all, Mr. Whitman, regarding this proper procedure that you alluded to, that is for prospective violations of the Brown Act. Ms. Rule was not aiming at preventing future violations. She was addressing past violations so your point is really invalid. Secondly, if my legal memos are being circulated around town in support of what Ms. Rule has done that is nobody's fault but your own.

You could have deputized Mr. Summers to write a counter-memorandum to the three memos that I wrote and shared with the public as well as with you I don't recall him being asked to do that, do you? And yet he spouts his legal opinion that Ms. Minner wrote a memo and advised you on nothing but the lawsuit of simply Ojai versus the city of Ojai which you all know is preposterous.

You spoke about a whole range of issues which brings me to my larger point is that how much longer are you going to hide behind this charade that you can't talk about what happened in closed session. Guess what? Like it or not, Ms. Rule disclosed what happened in closed session to the general public about three months ago. That's general knowledge It's, if I can draw a historical analogy. It would be kind of like after Daniel Ellsberg revealed the Pentagon Papers and they were published in The New York Times and The Washington Post for the world to know that the Nixon administration said ooh you can't talk about it because that's confidential we said it's confidential well once it's in the general public It's no longer confidential. So you might as well talk about it, get it all out, get it all on the table.

We can all discuss what happened, who was right and who was wrong. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:28:28

Thank you John. Any comments online Weston?

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.752:28:32

No Mayor, no raised hands.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:28:34

Okay, alright. Well, Mr. City Attorney?

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:28:40

One note, the council has directed me to prepare a memorandum regarding recent events You're not speaking right now, I am. The council has directed me to prepare a memorandum regarding recent events that is forthcoming. The intention is to then have that be part of the discussion at the forthcoming Brown Act and Transparency Workshop so stay tuned for that. With that it would be appropriate for the council to take vote if there's no further discussion as noted there are many options thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:29:10

Since I pulled it, I'll vote to approve the whole consent calendar. Is there a second? I'll second it.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:29:16

All in favor? Aye.

We will move on to item number three let's take a short break and then we'll be back with the budget workshop thank you Okay, all right. All right we are back thank you very much for sticking around and council has decided to move cannabis ahead of the budget because we have speakers here so I will start with a presentation

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GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:39:02

Thank you Mayor.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:39:04

It's the item number four discussion on allowing up to three cannabis lounges in M1 MPD zone, C1 general commercial zone or C1 zone east of Park Road

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:39:18

Thank you. So I'll keep the staff report brief on this we've talked about this a few times at council so the sort of a summary and then an opportunity to discuss it and get direction from the Council The item, or just some background on what cannabis lounges are as a starting point. Cannabis lounges allow cannabis smoking, vaping and or consumption of edibles onsite.

And with the idea that proponents of cannabis lounges state that they provide a safe atmosphere for users to use cannabis safely. They're currently allowed in several cities throughout California, West Hollywood, San Francisco, Oakland, Palm Springs and others. When we brought this to council previously, Port Hueneme had just allowed cannabis lounges It's now been, I think six or seven months since then. They haven't opened theirs yet but they have an ordinance on the book that allows cannabis lounges in Port Wainimi so that's the only Ventura County city that has allowed it to date and just to get an idea of what they're like and I have a slide on the next slide that shows an image but basically the idea would be it functions similar to a bar You arrive, you order your cannabis and you use it there.

You do not bring your own cannabis just like you don't bring your own beer to a bar. And so it sort of operates in the same way. And the last point is that as we know, we have a 3% cannabis tax on the city's cannabis businesses. The cannabis lounges would be subject to that 3% tax. We're talking about the budget. We were going to do it a different order, but when we get to the budget, we'll point out that this year without the cannabis lounges, we're projecting about $270,000-$280,000 in revenue from the cannabis taxes We have not projected any additional revenue for cannabis lounges because they haven't been approved yet.

It's a little bit unclear exactly what that impact would be, but it's something worth thinking about is that that would be a way to generate some of that additional cannabis tax revenue. I mentioned a moment ago that we had a slide. This was actually the concept proposed for Port Hueneme, and this group did receive a permit. So this is what they have said that they are going to be building in Port Hueneme for the first cannabis lounge in Hueneme.

Their website for six months has said coming soon and so they haven't opened up yet, but they're apparently working on that. But again just kind of similar in a lot of ways to you know a bar or winery in sort of the layout and fill. So we've talked about this a few times over the last couple years. In October of 2022, we presented an actual ordinance to allow cannabis lounges.

At that time the ordinance allowed cannabis lounges in the current allowed cannabis zones which is the M1 MPD zone which is essentially Bryant Street and Bryant Circle And that was rejected. The City Council chose not to introduce the ordinance, thank you and asked the item to return with the new council because that was right before the election for the new council to provide direction So We had an ordinance that laid out things like hours and thing and you know different Requirements, I think the point of this item is a little bit bigger picture Because we haven't made the decision yet of whether they're allowed or if they are going to be allowed where they would be allowed so I would recommend starting at that level when that decisions made we can draft an ordinance.

That would Spell out all the details and we bring that back and then we can get into the detail of it. But the four key questions That I recommend We discuss number one whether to allow cannabis lounges in Ojai two if we're allowing them What regulations should be in place? Like I said, we have the we can bring that back a little bit with the ordinance, so that one's not as critical at this time. Number three though if allowing them where should we allow them? Where should the lounges be permitted and we provided three options that I'll show on a map on the next slide for potential locations And then number four, if they're not being allowed there's still a question of we had talked about potentially allowing the dispensaries to expand. So that would be another question worth discussing.

For those third and fourth questions that are related to locations we have this map We tried I know it's a little hard to see we tried four or five different ways to show it and this was the best And it's not perfect. But Let me see if I can show my mouse is that showing up there? Yeah, are my cursor so There we've proposed three options for If we were going to allow either an expansion of the dispensaries outside of the current zones or If we were going to allow And we wanted to look at allowing those in additional locations.

The purple with the thicker highlighting around it, this area here showing what the cursor would be the current allowed zones, the M1 and MPD zones. So that's where dispensaries are currently allowed. Lounges are not allowed there. The ordinance that we brought in October was essentially allowing lounges in that same zone, and that was the ordinance that was not introduced and declined.

The second option is in this green highlighting here, and that is the C-1 east of Park Road. That's been an idea talked about several times over the years as we talked about. Cannabis was the idea of allowing it on the east end of Park Road, as sort of an economic development opportunity because a lot of those buildings have struggled to maintain occupancy.

And then third is a little harder to show. It's the red highlighting, which is in a few of these areas and that's if one of the ideas proposed last time I think by a council member in October was the idea of just opening it up to the whole C1 zone And so all that red and the green actually would be both of those combined. We should have shown that, but all the C1, all the commercial zone would be the third possibility and that would be the red in the green areas.

Again, sort of two questions related to locations. One is if we were allowing just the lounges to expand or I'm sorry the dispensaries to expand? Or if we're going to allow lounges and allow expansion which of those locations would we allow them? And that was one that the I would say the last council In October struggled and didn't come to a conclusion. So it's it's something that we would need direction on to move forward I will note when we talked about allowing the lounges in the m1 MPD zone, we did have several well, we had a few of the business owners come in with some concerns about allowing it in the M1 MP D and And they spoke at the council meeting and we mentioned that we would Remind the council that that that they spoke with those concerns of that when it came back to Council.

So And so that is it and like I said going back to those four are really three questions at this time whether to allow the lounges if We are gonna allow them where they should be permitted, and if not Should we allowed the dispensaries to expand? Those are really the three key questions that we're looking for tonight

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:48:17

Thank you, James. Any questions from Council? Susan?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:48:28

Microphone please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:48:30

Thank you. It's my understanding that we are the only city in Ventura County that has put the dispensaries in an industrial zone is that correct do you know and where is Port Hueneme planning to put their lounge

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:48:46

Yeah, I don't know their zoning all the different cities zonings offhand but I think that's probably correct based on Where I know what locations I know were approved. I don't think that they limited up to the industrial area pro-anemia It's that strip mall That they call a green mile which is my guess would be a c1 zone. Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:49:08

so What we're as far as where If we wanted to, we could separate the dispensaries. Could stay where they are but they could operate a lounge either anywhere in the commercial zone that serves alcohol or limited to the east end of Ojai. The dispensary could decide how they want to do that once we established the zone so there would never be more than three of each one. They could stay where they are and expand if their space allows it, or they could keep what they have.

Are we not at that point?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:49:58

Well, there'd be options but they're each unique options or maybe specific options is a better word For example, if we said lounges were not allowed in the m1. They couldn't just expand next door Yes, but yes, but the council could say we're gonna allow lounges and dispensaries in the m1 and the c1 potentially So so that that can be sort of spelled out by the council That was a key point though. So I'm glad you mentioned it You know, that was one question One thing we want everybody to realize is if we're allowing the lounges in a zone and a dispensary in a different zone, then that means we're actually allowing three separate locations of each. Or we could require that they be together one way or the other so that there's just a dispensary and a lounge and a dispensary and a lounge and a dispensary and a lounge.

So those are all options that the council has.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:50:57

Okay, thank you other questions Let's move on. Okay Andy

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:51:04

So My understanding is that we have an ordinance that Prohibits smoking in

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:51:15

general the city code prohibits smoking yes in public places in public places

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:51:22

so How would smoking in a cannabis lounge reconcile with that ordinance? We'd have to

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:51:33

change that. The prior ordinance that was drafted per the prior council's direction added an exception to the anti-smoking ordinance for the cannabis lounges, allowing smoking consumption of cannabis. Whether or not to do that is a policy choice.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:51:47

Well, can you add that that goes with air filtration and all that?

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:51:51

Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:51:51

That's also a choice Yeah, it's not and that's how the priority wouldn't just allow it we would have standards air quality standards

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role2:51:59

And the ordinance would have I think we had did to have those standards.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:52:03

Yeah.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.872:52:04

Yeah either

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:52:09

Yeah, just a follow-up on that When was the smoking ordinance, the general smoking ordinance adopted? It's

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:52:23

been a while. 1990s it's been

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:52:25

awhile. Before your time? Yes well before

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:52:28

my

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:52:28

time and was that

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:52:30

amended over the years as well

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.852:52:32

so just In general, I'd be interested in the reasons for adopting that. And I'm assuming it would be because of risk to public health from exposure to smoke and I think I would want to know that background and maybe what findings have been made different if there are now 20 years later mitigation measures that are remove the health risk or you know where that is.

You can put them together on that front

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.872:53:22

Councilmember rule. Yeah, my question is similar to council member Whitman's I'm assuming that there are standards and there are equipment that You know air filtration systems, you know second smoking systems Whatever that is and that they have been tested their kind of tried-and-true Is that correct? I mean other these other cities in San Francisco Oakland and Other California cities must have some sort of record and or best practices by now, I would assume. And perhaps we could if we haven't already perhaps we could get what the ordinances around that are from them or from the cannabis lounges what they use although I'm supposing that our cannabis lounge potential ease would have some idea around that

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction2:54:17

We've already gathered up the information from the other cities and can okay great. Thank you in the analysis. Thank you

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:54:23

Okay, we will move on to public comment First we have Chelsea Satula then Michelle Rosenblum and then Jeff Kroll

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CommentJeff KrollProposed · by introduction2:54:39

I'm Chelsea. I'm a CEO of Sesame Creek Collective, and can you believe it? This is the seventh public meeting where we have been petitioning the city to remove this restriction on consumption and to reconsider our M1 MPD zoning. So I don't want to rehash too many points that I've made already on the record. I'll just focus on two key points which are who does this consumption space potentially serve and where should it go?

First, we've used the word lounge a lot and I think it's a little bit narrow so I'm going to try to use the word consumption space. Who is a consumption space for? Is it to make Ojai into a party town? Is it to lure all the tourists here? We all love the tourists so much right? It's important to understand that cannabis is actually used by a very wide variety of people for a very wide variety of reasons I've emailed the council all a PDF with an overview of a variety of options for ways that we see cannabis being consumed in Ojai, such as spas, tasting rooms, mocktail bars, ceremonial or wellness retreats.

In addition to kind of the traditional cafe type spaces that you saw Wheelhouse demonstrating, where people can vape or smoke a joint. But we're not looking to create smoke-filled rooms with skunky odors wafting out the windows. I actually personally hate the smell of any smoke indoors myself and would prefer to design a smoking or vaping space on a rooftop lounge where all the smoke is vented up and out But really, you know we're realistic that real estate is always going to be the biggest constraint on what we can actually pull off here in the city.

What we're really looking to do is elevate the perception of cannabis We're not looking to create noise or odor nuisances for anybody That means again a consumption space could take a lot of different forms It can also be a pop-up type experience like a farmer's market because We're really looking to create spaces that don't cause people anxiety. Smell it's like we want people to feel comfortable. I think the kid the kids use the term chill vibes these days As far as a tourist issue last time, I checked Ojai was already a tourist destination And we will continue to be so with or without cannabis really?

I can't speak for the other businesses in town but 70% of our customers are from Ojai or Ventura Only 6% of our customers live outside the state and I'm quite sure it's not cannabis that's luring them to Ojai. They're in town to visit family or spend some time in nature, and we are totally an incidental stop. A consumption space would not be an anchor for somebody's vacation here.

It's just not that big of a novelty as more states legalized it, Delaware legalized it. Okay our business does not cater to tourists at all. To non-consumers it may seem like a crazy risky idea but to the rest of the people here in our town that consume cannabis it's just not a big deal It's a welcome alternative to the same old bar scene. It's actually a way for CESPI to compete with the CBD hemp hustlers that have been openly advertising their products on Ojai Avenue without paying the same taxes and license fees that we do.

As far as where should it go, it should be where people go. It should be accessible to sidewalks and public transportation We should not be hidden away in the industrial zone and it's important to understand that the cannabis gross revenue tax revenue has become an important source of funding for your general reserve. 2022 Sespe Creek alone paid over $125,000 not including sales tax just in gross receipts and license fees for the privilege of doing business here And I think we need to get over this fear that cannabis is a novelty, it's a nuisance. It's other people doing it. It's you doing it right?

It's less intoxicating than alcohol frankly and unlike alcohol cannabis actually has important medical benefits and I think the reason why we can relax the smoking ordinance is because cannabis smoke is not the same as tobacco smoke. So thank you, thank you.

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CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction2:59:04

Thank you, Chelsea. Next we have Michelle Rosenblum then Jeff Kroll and then William Wyrick.

CommentWilliam WyrickProposed · by introduction2:59:14

Thank you. Regardless of your progressive inclinations, the current cannabis ordinance stands as a manifestation of discrimination. It is akin to instructing us, a retail business that our presence is unwelcome in the retail zone. Furthermore, the lack of public transportation and sidewalks on Bryant Street forces handicapped individuals to navigate wheelchairs through the dangers of vehicular traffic perpetuating yet another form of discrimination.

In Ojai, a town approximately 7600 people nearly 5800 are adults. The California Department of Public Health estimates that 15% of adults consume cannabis within a 30 day period which translates to about 870 Ojai residents According to the Census Bureau, 38% of Ojai residents rent their homes and most rental agreements prohibit smoking. Consequently within the last 30 days approximately 330 cannabis consumers in Ojai have been deprived of a legal space to partake in this activity via the most popular method. This too is a form of discrimination.

Our emblem, our logo, a rainbow-colored cannabis leaf symbolizes inclusivity and normalization. And yet city regulations forbid us from displaying it. Why has the city imposed such restrictions? Are wineries prohibited from showcasing grapes, breweries from exhibiting hops or coffee shops from featuring beans? Where does your fear about this plant arise? With each passing day this council does not implement a new ordinance discrimination continues. This is not merely an issue of small towns versus big cities it is a question of equality that every city and county across the nation must address In Cesar, Illinois, a town with a population of 2,000, a fine cannabis lounge exists. In Eureka, a city of 26,000 residents, three lounges cater to diverse clientele from party goers to wellness seekers.

Such establishments do not make headlines because as it turns out cannabis consumption is a fairly ordinary activity. This evening as you contemplate the liberties that individuals should have over their own bodies and the rights they should possess concerning the products they have purchased and paid taxes for, I implore you to consider which side of the tragic war on drugs you stand on. Let us strive for a future free from discrimination where inclusivity and understanding prevail. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:01:51

Thank You Michelle next we have Jeff Kroll then William Wyrick and then Stuart Griffith

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CommentStuart GriffithProposed · by introduction3:01:59

Good evening, thank you very much. It's hard to even for my thoughts to go for the beginning. The public wants acceptance of cannabis that's a given it's really the tone that you the council members in the city of Ojai and the ordinance that you are considering as to how you set the tone of a lounge Is it a relaxation location, a safe place for people to consume?

But more importantly, it's an education platform for me. It's a way in which people share their own anecdotal stories of their health benefits, their responsible use of cannabis and the fact that it's a safe place to go. Currently right now, of course people even the tourism they come to frequent one of the three shops. They take those cannabis where they consume. They do it in their vehicle.

They're doing it in their hotel room. They're doing it against a state law of anti-smoking. So we need to offer a place. We need to be more acceptance. We set the tone The people of Ojai and the council can draft a very responsible lounge possibility. I personally would like not to have any limitations on this, I've been in this industry for 30 plus years. It has been an uphill battle every step that we make.

We have been responsible since 2018 running retail shops I think we should have the opportunity not to be limited by any restriction, whether it be in a retail setting. You all trust alcohol because we have many sources of alcohol in this location so please trust us to come up with a lounge. I do encourage food as being an opportunity with cannabis Because financially, cannabis alone may not financially support a lounge.

We will never more than likely ever have alcohol in the same environment because of the state rules. So with that said, most of the restaurant purveyors that have approached me about a lounge certainly are not willing to give up their alcohol income. So we need to diversify by education, social acceptance and having a comfortable place to consume. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:04:54

Jeff, can I ask you a question? When you say food do you mean cannabis infused food? Well that's an option. In other words first off there are

CommentStuart GriffithProposed · by introduction3:05:10

Just like alcohol, a bartender or an owner of a bar has to be vigilant of the customers and the consumption that that customer is doing. There are certain risks involved in having infused food because of the delay reaction It may take an hour, an hour and a half in order to kick in. We don't want people to be in a vehicle but at the same time if we had an attractive menu that was not infused and now the state does allow food and beverages to be considered inside of a dispensary. That was not the case in 2018.

as well as paraphernalia, now that is allowed. So we are opening up ways of making more money and in turn it makes the city more money with... And I'm all for the 3%. Please don't raise it because it's really difficult financially right now. Any other questions?

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:06:13

Okay thank you very much Jeff, appreciate it. William Wyrick then Stuart Griffith and then John Drucker.

CommentJohn DruckerProposed · by introduction3:06:22

Good evening, everyone. See what I can fit in three minutes. You know, I think the people preceding me have been very eloquent and I'm just going to try to organize some principles that I hope you keep in mind. Number one, as a society we've been weaning ourselves over the decades of our lives and our grandparents' lives from the stigmatization of cannabis. Where did it come from? Let's remember The stigmatization of cannabis that we're still weaning ourselves from when it was called marijuana arose in the Jim Crow era, targeted towards people of color.

And we're still weaning ourselves from that stigmatization and I hope we can keep that in mind as we look at How to take another step in terms of the process here in Ojai that we've been pioneers with. So I think about how does that manifest itself as has already been pointed out? When you limit it to the M1 MPD, you are in effect continuing that tradition that we want to get away from.

of stigmatization. And I think that whether it's in the green zone or the green plus red, depending on... Just the green would be a step forward to allow that relocation. That would also provide economic diversification. The other reason is very practical. Many people have commented on the importance of maintaining our M1 and MPD for manufacturing and industrial diversification away from tourism focus of our economy.

If you bid up rents and take up space in that area with retail expansion, not even allowing the option of locating out of that into a commercial area that needs vacancies right now I think you're inhibiting that goal that I thought we had adopted in our general plan, that we want economic diversification away from the tourism focus. And I don't think we wanna go away from that. And then in the last few seconds, I wanna say tax rate.

In the four quarters or five quarters including up till the beginning of 2022, The taxable sales in the state of California has downed by just under 10%. That decline has accelerated in terms of taxable sales of cannabis in the state of California. The last three quarters have been a decline almost exceeding actually, the decline of the previous five. The reason for that as is well known now and understood by the regulatory authorities at the state level is because the tax rates are so high It's driving activity back into the unregulated black market, which is the last thing we want to do in terms of health and again stigmatization.

So I think we need to look very carefully at whether or not the 3% may be inhibiting actually economic activity in this area and therefore reducing the amount of revenue we're getting from this taxation.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:09:46

Thank you, Bill. Next we have Stuart Griffith and John Drucker and then Jeffrey Stark with her. I'm sorry Larry Steingall

CommentStuart GriffithProposed3:09:54

resident shady Lane and When I originally started thinking about this I was like, oh no my Ford against it. I don't know. I don't have much of a An opinion, either way. But when I started thinking about locations for it my wife does have a business location on Bryant Street and I live on Shady Lane and she's like hey you know Bryant Street just starting to kind of look good and come up getting better it'd be you know sad to see if that affected it people walk around I don't know maybe that's the stigmatism we're talking about but then it got me thinking maybe a smart thing to do would be to have Like three zones and one in each zone like one on that east end around park, one in the middle around Montgomery.

One over by you know the motels around the end and Ranch, the Ranch Inn or whatever that is. That way you would encourage walking instead of people driving. Also accessibility to the tourists and the three locations in town where they tend to be. So that would be my suggestion. We don't want to see... we don't think Shady Lane's gonna turn into a ghetto but it is a little shady over there already so

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CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:11:18

Thank you, Stuart. Next we have John Drucker then Larry Steingold then Jeffrey Starkweather.

CommentJohn DruckerProposedself-stated3:11:26

Hello again! You can relax. It's just about cannabis. Mellow out. I've been a cannabis lawyer in the last few years. Part of my practice when I'm not dealing with you guys. I've written a Cannabis Law Journal article called the California Cannabis Cluster F asterisk CK, because that's the situation we have here in this state. I'll be opening a cannabis payment service in the next couple of months and I'm a small investor in a cannabis dispensary with lounge license in West Hollywood so I'm somewhat familiar with these issues And I guess, I just want to open by saying I agree with virtually everything that Chelsea, Michelle, Jeff and Bill said.

And just want to underline some of the difficulties that these people are facing. And number one is as Bill said taxation is driving the illegal market and really doing a tremendous disservice to the legal market. So I think that whatever you do, try to make something positive happen here. Secondly, edibles as someone said is not going to be a mainstay of the business because it takes an hour or two for the effect to kick in and that makes it unviable for business.

Smoking flour and having all The filtration, odor abatement apparatus is also very expensive. I'm not sure that's a decision for the vendors of course to make but I think they want the two clear areas where you can make progress is on cannabis beverages and also vaping because those don't pose any problem You know, that a bar, an alcohol bar would not face. It has no discernible odor or fragrance if you will depending on how you look at it and the other one issue That we kind of confronted in West Hollywood was, and I'm not sure how applicable it is here but I just thought I'd bring it up.

Is the idea of giving or requiring vouchers for ride sharing out of out of the lounge? Because part of the problem that any bar or cannabis lounge faces is intoxicated customers leaving the place and then God knows what happens, and then comes back and sues the lounge or the bar. And causes all sorts of problems for the city. So that's all I have to say. Thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:14:26

Thank you John. Next we have Larry Steingold, then Jeffrey Starkweather, and then Len Cleif.

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction3:14:32

First time everybody's in agreement. Good evening. It's an industrial park, okay? And we've been here... I've been here now six years. We've been here three times over this issue about the camel's nose under the tent about it's now retail. It went from medical to medical retail to full retail to now there's manufacturing in the park plus they won't have a lounge. Let it go full-blown retail, move it to the other zones where it should be. Now get them out of the park so we can have electricians and plumbers and people of industry and people who have jobs here in businesses so they have a place to go because we're not building anymore industrial parks. So this is the only place in town. So let them go to retail, let them be all over the city whatever the retail zone is.

Let's get it done and move on but you should also approve it as a cigar bar and a hookah bar because you might as well have food and booze and whatever else they can do because they're going to be back here in two years trying for something else so you might as well let them go full bore all retail just like a liquor bar or a restaurant, or anywhere else. Their retail, let them put them in a retail zone and get them out of the industrial park. Thank you. Oh, and besides the roads are getting real bad in Bryant. So now if you allow them to go after 6, 7, 8, 10 o'clock at night there's going to be more problems because they'll be walking and now Bryant turns into the funk zone or something. It's more bars, more restaurants, more zoning.

I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:16:06

want to ask Larry question if I may Larry you're not I hope you're not proposing that if we decide to approve other zones that we Kick them out of the Bryant Streets.

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction3:16:16

No, eventually they'll move up. No eventually they would move out of Bryant They would just Move out because either lease gets too much or they're better off making more money on Ojai Avenue or on Maricopa If they can find space because the road is shrunk Thank You

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:16:33

Okay, next we have Jeffrey Starkweather then Len Claife and then Bill Miley.

CommentColin JonesProposed · by introduction3:16:38

I support this effort to give them the option to move out of there for Long. I think we just had a general plan meeting where everyone wanted this to be manufacturing so why would we not want to encourage that? The other thing is that from the statistics of the town Alcohol is a much bigger problem. We let it go anyplace. We let it stay open at night? I mean, that's a much more dangerous thing.

Why are we discriminated against this when there's no evidence that it is a safety danger on the roads? There's just no statistical evidence for that. I want to though, because since I'm agreeing. I wanted to give a little...I have seen the whole arc of this issue. I grew up here graduating high school in 1965 and this whole idea of racism and regulating drugs we had a bust when I was in high school and it was all Mexicans.

And all just for marijuana. Now we had seen Reefer Madness. We had been propagandized that this was you know we were going to go crazy if we smoked dope And I actually thought, well these people are a bunch of drug addicts. You know? I went off to college. I hadn't done anything at that point and I came back here in 1965-66 in the summer and man it was starting to spread here.

I later became a federal public defender and so I represented all kinds Drug cases. And let me tell you, that was one of the biggest disasters we've ever done in this country. The amount of lives and money we have destroyed going after people is terrible. So I remember Lenny Bruce once said... You already remember him, comedian. He said, It's not going to take very long to get rid of the marijuana laws because every policeman I know takes it. Well, he was wrong about that. It took a lot longer than he predicted. So I'm glad that we're here.

I think that we can regulate the smoke. There is science about that. I think we can regulate the hours. I would encourage them maybe to do it gradually by starting in the East End and then move from there, but I think this is a good step in the right direction. It's money we could use for our town and you know the stigma of marijuana and so forth, it just has taken us a long time to get here but we're here let's just stop this stigmatizing people Actually, I haven't taken any drugs in 20 years.

Because I don't like getting high. I like keeping my mind. But no really, I don't do it anymore. So I have no consumer interest in this. I just care about the community. I know it's a health benefit for a lot of people.

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CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:19:43

Thank you Jeffrey. Next we have Len Clay and then Bill Miley.

CommentStuart GriffithProposed · by introduction3:19:48

Good evening. I think he got the Lenny Bruce quote wrong, what Lenny Bruce said was that the law students are all smoking dope and they'll become lawyers and legislators and they will vote to legalize it. Lenny Bruce was wrong about that or look took him a whole lot longer. In any event if you go to the CDC website you will find out that tobacco kills 480,000 Americans every year Alcohol kills 140,000 Americans every year. Marijuana kills zero Americans every year.

The CDC website about marijuana mostly focuses on the dangers towards kids because it affects their brains as their brains are developing. But so does alcohol and so does tobacco. And the CDC doesn't give numbers, but the number of illnesses and diseases caused by tobacco and alcohol are endless. 38 states in the District of Columbia have legalized medical marijuana.

There is no medical benefit to tobacco or alcohol. We have places, there are four places in downtown, in downtown, the main downtown area where you can buy alcohol without food. There are four places in downtown you can buy tobacco. Explain if you're gonna vote against this Please explain why it is not hypocrisy. It just makes no sense. And nobody needs, anybody who smokes marijuana didn't need the legalization to smoke marijuana. I mean marijuana was always available it'll continue to be available let's be sane towards it and not hide it away. Reef of Madness is so old it's boring thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:03

Can I ask Lenny, Lenny I have a question. Did you say that there are four places in the downtown that sell alcohol and tobacco? No

CommentStuart GriffithProposed · by introduction3:22:15

it's alcohol without food. And they're also for places that you can buy tobacco in the downtown area

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:22

Without

CommentStuart GriffithProposed · by introduction3:22:23

food. Or with food, but tobacco is not food related.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:27

Okay. So the reason I bring it up is because I think the last time you and I calculated the number of places in the Valley that sold

CommentStuart GriffithProposed · by introduction3:22:33

alcohol... Oh no.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:35

It

CommentStuart GriffithProposed · by introduction3:22:35

was like 50. The last time I counted in the city limits there were 44 places you could buy alcohol, nine places you could buy tobacco. But I'm now talking about just the downtown area because I'm trying to make the point why are they hidden away in Bryant Street. And not only are they available, but the city went out of its way to accommodate two of the drinking establishments by the Topatopa and that winery on Montgomery by doing away with any parking restrictions on them. They waived all the parking stuff. Please come to OI, please open, please fill our downtown full of people drinking But if you're going to smoke marijuana, well buy marijuana. You don't have to smoke it. Buy it! You got to go way out there where nobody knows where you are.

Every time I've gone into a marijuana...I've been to each of the three. Every time I've gone in they've checked me to make sure I'm old enough. I mean they go out of their way to make sure that kids are not gonna get it there. The last time I was age-checked was when I went to the Guggenheim and I claimed senior status and they didn't believe I was that old, so it's just not a danger to kids these places, it's just silly thank you.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:24:03

Thank You Len. Mr. City Attorney you have a comment?

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction3:24:08

Oh, no. I didn't sorry. Okay on that one. Nevermind.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:24:12

Just like to

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction3:24:13

scare you a little bit. I thought you did but you didn't have an answer any questions on cannabis lounges as they rise?

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:24:20

Okay. All right. Sorry. And next we have Bill Miley

CommentBill MileyProposed3:24:35

Hi, Bill Biley. So as many of you know my background's in public health which includes prevention practices to learn to moderate behaviors. So since smoking and now vaping cannabis is one of the main ways of using cannabis since it provides a way of controlling the ingredients which affect the body's reaction. And to give you a personal example, in the 70s when we lived here, a neighbor had a cannabis brownie party.

I'd never had cannabis before and I loved brownies I'll tell you, fortunately we were only four houses away. But by the time I got home, I felt I was really drunk. It took me hours to recover. So in my opinion it's a smarter way of using cannabis for relaxation, for fun, for socializing. Also it would be important to allow food service options to provide a measure of allowing folks to regulate their consumption.

And as almost probably everybody knows, when you were first young and your parents may have said now be sure and have some milk before you go to the party so it slows the infusion of the alcohol into your bloodstream. Drink milk, drink a beer. Drink milk, drink a beer. So have some food and then have some cannabis. Give them that option please.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:26:30

Thank you Bill. Any comments online Weston?

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.753:26:33

Yes Mayor we have four raised hands so far. First we'll have Sarah Armstrong followed by Steve Quillacy and then Becky. Sarah you have the floor.

PresenterSarah Armstronginterests of Americans for Safe Access in Ventura and Los Angeles counties foundProposedself-stated3:26:43

Can you hear me?

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.753:26:44

Yes.

PresenterSarah Armstronginterests of Americans for Safe Access in Ventura and Los Angeles counties foundProposedself-stated3:26:46

I am Sarah Armstrong, I represent the interests of Americans for Safe Access in Ventura and Los Angeles counties founded in 2002 we're the nation's oldest largest national organization for medical cannabis patients In my job and in my life when I travel, I use consumption lounges. They are uniformly quiet clean places. They do not have odors and the people who patronize these places are sitting quietly talking amongst themselves. State law forbids music in conjunction with a retailer license and there are other local and state laws that you can use to make sure that your cannabis lounges are equally quiet, odor-free and safe.

To deny both your citizens and your visitors the opportunity to medicate if they are patients is a very difficult thing for medical cannabis patients, and I hope you will consider this. Additionally these lounges need to be located in a place where they can be found, and that means a commercial area. Right now, as Michelle has demonstrated, it is difficult with people with disabilities to patronize the shops on Bryant. I hope that when you establish your lounges they will be in the commercial zones. To give you an idea of how trouble-free these places are, the last lounge I went to in San Francisco, I walked right by it because the signage was so discreet And there was no odor, noise or any other indication that in fact that building was a consumption lounge.

These lounges go out of their way to make sure the children are not in the lounges or anywhere nearby. Additionally, state law forbids loitering. I hope that you will consider all this as you move tonight to decide whether or not Compassion Lounges are right for the city and i hope that at some point those of you who have questions will visit one of these loungers And learn for yourself how really safe, quiet and odor free they are. Thank you for your time.

Thank you Sarah.

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.753:29:05

Next we have Steve Quillacy followed by Becky and then Jackie. Mr. Quillacy you have the floor?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:29:15

Thank you very much Weston. You members of the council and mayor have many hard decisions ahead of you this is one of them I am not here to speak against cannabis generally. I would just put a headline on this called Smoking Dope Then Driving. Years ago, I was an army lieutenant serving in Korea. I had an assigned vehicle and a driver who was a self-described pothead.

We made a deal. Well actually, I made the deal because he worked for me. I said you can smoke pot when you want But if you get behind the wheel intoxicated, we'll have problems I can't ignore because you become a public safety hazard. Tonight's staff report hits the key point in the prior council voting against edibles only lounges and that is delayed impact of ingested cannabis.

Two of the cannabis dispensary owners Who spoke earlier this evening, said as much in public testimony at a planning commission meeting. It takes too long to get the buzz. Clearly the goal of the cannabis lounges and their patrons is intoxication. And if you think patrons will become intoxicated and wait until that buzz wears off Before driving to home or hotel or anywhere else, I submit your own.

So a vote for cannabis smoking lounges is a vote to put more intoxicated drivers on our city streets. Now a former council member not one who spoke tonight stated correctly As another speaker did tonight, there's no statistics showing cannabis intoxicated drivers are a problem. That's right because there is no legally accepted criterion for measuring the level of intoxication by cannabis.

So no one currently is intoxicated by cannabis to any legal standard Whereas for alcohol intoxication, there is a test not just field sobriety but breathalyzer and blood. And if you're over the limit you can be arrested go to jail lose your license lots of bad effects beyond the public safety hazard. So if now or later you vote to allow cannabis smoking lounges in Ojai I think you, mayor and council members need to be prepared to explain why more intoxicated drivers on Ojai streets is a good thing.

And why smoking tobacco which I don't is evil and must be banned except in private homes but smoke and dope outside the home is good and should be allowed. Thank you for your time. Thank You

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.753:32:40

Steve Next we have Becky followed by Jackie Becky, you have the floor.

CommentSteve QuillacyProposed3:32:49

Thank you, Weston. Can you hear me?

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.753:32:50

Yes.

CommentSteve QuillacyProposed3:32:51

Okay, thank you. I'm very grateful that Mr. Quillacy just said all of what he said because I am in complete alignment with his viewpoint. I am first and foremost concerned for the health and safety of our locals, and the quality of life that we have here as a place where we can raise children and live healthy lives apart from some of the things that happen elsewhere in the country.

I'm really glad that cannabis is legal and that it is being regulated so that people are able to procure safer forms of it, that are not laced with other substances that can do damage to their health. I do not agree that cannabis lounges are something that we should promote. There is nothing preventing locals or tourists from procuring what they need for their medical or recreational uses.

I would like to see the city find other ways to generate revenue from more health and safety promoting businesses, rather than businesses that promote pub crawls and cannabis crawls and other kinds of activities that only lead to more and more intoxicated people on our streets and on our roadways. One of those types of businesses could be a business that teaches people how to find fulfillment without needing substances of any kind. Whether you like it or not, cannabis is not as benign a drug as it is purported to be.

I have family members and friends who have had real problems stopping using it and getting back to productive lives after getting too involved in the cannabis culture. For one of them, cannabis led to a psychotic break when a previously undiagnosed bipolar condition was revealed and lives were damaged as a result. Cannabis is an intoxicant. Do we really want people going on lounge crawls, imbibing at a variety of different lounges thinking they are fit to drive and then driving under the influence at all times of days in the Ojai Valley?

Mr. Quillacy pointed out intoxication on our roadways is a real hazard. A vote for cannabis smoking lounges is a vote to put more intoxicated drivers on our city streets. I also agree with Mr. Quillacy's assessment that the lack of legal standards for cannabis intoxication is actually the only reason why the statistics that Jeffrey Starkweather wants to rely upon are in error.

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CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:35:53

Thank you, Becky.

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.753:35:55

Last raise hand we have is Julie. I'm sorry, Jackie. Jackie, you have the floor?

CommentBeckyProposed3:36:06

I'm a longtime cannabis advocate here in California specializing in consumption lounges. I work in Sacramento, where we've actually currently got an active bill SB 285 that will allow cannabis consumption lounges to prepare and sell fresh non-cannabis infused food and non-alcoholic beverages. I'm also a lounge holder, license holder in West Hollywood where i was instrumental in helping write their ordinance back in 2017 The lounges in West Hollywood are finally starting to open, and we're seeing how they function and what their potential is. And most importantly, how they're becoming community gathering spaces. It's really easy now to see how these small businesses are going to bring great value to the entire community. I was sitting at the Woods Lounge the other day.

That's the one owned by Woody Harrelson. And a few of us were talking about how remarkable it was that we finally could have a safe place to enjoy cannabis without having to look over our shoulders or feel this stigma of naysayers around us. I also was out in Coachella Valley last month visiting a few lounges. One of them is smack in the middle of Palm Canyon Boulevard, it's like right across the street from an H&M. Another one they had is The Vault where I had a wonderful experience meeting different folks of all ages who were just there to enjoy cannabis in a relaxed and safe environment. They even play weekly trivia games like they do at bars but there's no alcohol.

Um, yes there's going to have to be regulations. Yes they're gonna have to include odor control and air filtration and security and standard operating procedures but the good news is you don't have to reinvent the wheel most of the language you need to draft an ordinance has already been well researched and discussed in other jurisdictions so people like myself and others can help you essentially leapfrog over other jurisdictions ultimately saving the city of Ojai an enormous amount of money and time And it's not practical for these lounges to be separated from the retail stores because they work hand in hand together like a typical model would be.

For customer who purchases product and dispensary, then you walk over to the lounge to consume that same product so it doesn't really make sense for those two venues to be separate. Last thing I'm just going to say is don't believe the propaganda and the nimbyism, no matter how tempting it is. There's always people out there who continue to have the fear of cannabis and will say everything they can to try to turn you away including trying to scare you that it will somehow kill you or cause other illnesses. Yes, intoxication on the roadways is a hazard but only as it relates to alcohol. So just don't fall for it you're already on the right path stay the courses these lounges are going to be great for Ojai so I think the time is right and I encourage you to support and let these Long finally get moving forward thank you very much

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:38:39

Thank you, Jackie. That's all ma'am that's it okay alright we will move on to discussion and just a reminder to council there are two issues on the table one to allow the dispensaries to move to other districts or other areas of city and then to the Long so who would like to begin?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:38:56

I'll start. I'd like to start so I can relax and listen to what others say. First of all, I am in agreement with all the speakers except for Chair Quillacy and Becky Windenwood because with that logic that if you allow a lounge, you're allowing more people on the road that are intoxicated You should apply that same logic to any alcohol-serving restaurant that wants to open up. It's a ridiculous way of thinking about it.

Nothing is without problems, but there are problems that can be managed. There's always going to be people that are just crazy. So secondly, I myself don't take any drugs. Not even aspirin. I'm totally drug free and I don't use alcohol, maybe a glass of champagne at a wedding. It's not my thing. But I have a long history of studying about cannabis. I have a huge library on how the stigmatization occurred and all the legal things, because I love herbs, I've studied it in that way. It's the most fascinating subject And I hope that as we make decisions tonight, we apply what we've learned. Because there's no excuse to be ignorant on this topic.

I went to the workshop that doctor gave, the one in Santa Barbara, it was just fascinating. It was in Ojai a couple of years ago. Um, so I am in favor of allowing the lounges in any general commercial zone because I have faith that this will go through the planning commission and they'll find you know The owners of the dispensaries will be looking at the pros and cons of the location, but I agree that the best place to start would be this C1 zone east of Park Road. You know, I'm not suggesting that the public... I personally think it's fine anywhere, but as far as public acceptance, I don't know if that's up to council discussion And I like the idea of, it makes sense to me to allow food to be served. At least drinks, non-alcoholic drinks.

This is the seventh public meeting I've gone through. I brought my notes from October. 11, was that almost a year ago? No it wasn't that six months ago. So I hope that we can move forward and create a fair ordinance that allows the businesses that we have to thrive makes sense to me thank

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:42:11

you Rachel

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.883:42:12

Yeah, I just want to piggyback on what Mayor Pro Tem Franzina said. You know, I was really involved in advocacy efforts against mass incarceration and advocating for alternative sentencing for nonviolent drug-related offenses. I wrote a book about it in 2002 And so I know a lot about the stigma of not just cannabis, but cocaine bought the whole war on drugs and now plant medicine and psilocybin and things like that. So I totally agree with what the speaker said about how this is that we've been acculturated to view this in a different way than we view alcohol, and a lot of that has to do with the alcohol lobby. I won't give a lecture about that.

But you know, a couple of things that when I first knew that we were going to be talking about this, I had real concerns about driving, about the driving and about the smell of smoke in the downtown areas Especially if you know, those are residential areas if we're looking right in the in the commercial zone Right right in the downtown area but you know But I've been doing a lot more research about this and learning about The different types of mediation that we can that an air filtration systems and things like that And so I am I mean, I'm leaning toward definitely opening this up to being allowed in the C1 areas.

I think it makes a lot of sense and I think it could really help the companies that are cannabis companies that would want to I think it opens up a lot of possibilities for them. And the other thing too is, I agree with the food, with having food. I am personally not a, I'm not a cannabis user but at the times when I've tried it there definitely was a desire for food.

And so and I also think that it is a safety thing too because any because I think if people are going to be ingesting cannabis and especially first-time users don't know how many grams to have or might not know how to eat an edible, things like that. And so I do think that it is safe. I also think in terms of just a response to the questions about driving It's arguable that a lot of people leave bars without taking breathalyzer tests or while being intoxicated. And I liked John Drucker's suggestion about, I believe he said having ride-sharing coupons Or things like that. And I think as we become more walkable, a more walkable bike-able community and as we look at different ways of managing transportation here, I think some of those issues and concerns would be mediated.

So I agree with Mayor Pro Tem Francina that maybe we could start this With the green zone on the east side, I really like the idea of economic development over in that area. As many of you know building up that Bryant circle, building up the M1 is one of my goals and priorities and so bringing great Lounges and facilities where people can socialize, retail spaces into the east side is something that I would be interested in. But right now I'm not completely opposed to opening it up in general.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:46:30

Leslie?

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.873:46:32

I agree with both of my colleagues. I don't have a problem with opening it up to all of the areas, but once again it can be a council decision if it wants to be limited. There's really nothing about this that I don't agree with. I think that as far as driving goes, putting it closer to a main thoroughfare where people can walk to it and I was particularly taken with those who use medical cannabis who are disabled in some ways whether they're in a wheelchair The difficulty in getting something like that seems to me to be highly, I'm not even sure it's ADA compliant kind of thing. So it seems cruel actually. For those reasons and certainly I support I support opening this up. I have been to the cannabis dispensary, I've met with the owners and the managers and I couldn't be more impressed with how they run their business honestly.

And in finally saying you know the idea of using cannabis or any herb for wellness as in spa, those kinds of things, I don't think...I mean I was a pothead Really for 10 years, but but I haven't touched it in 25 years. But um And you know was a good thing It opened my mind up So I support a completely open Approach to this but I also realized that the council may my colleagues may want to take it more slowly and I certainly wouldn't be abject to that. And finally, I would say one of my best experiences ever was going to a hookah lounge and it wasn't...I think we were smoking apple, I'm not even sure but it was so social and it was so wonderful and the food came and the hookah came And, you know, people were walking around. It was just it was something that we don't have here but that we could have here and it is very social so for that reason as I said I support a completely open approach with food but am willing to hear from other council members and take it from there.

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.853:49:00

Andy? So, I just had to finish up my continuing legal education for the last three year period and was filling in ethics courses. And there was a course on Ethics of California Marijuana Law, Cannabis Law. And so I thought oh, get some legal credits and also learn something about this issue And what they talked about was something completely different than I expected, which was the fact that under federal law going to the stigmatization that we've talked about or that speakers have talked about.

Under federal law cannabis is not legal California has legalized it, and the course talked about those kind of quasi-unofficial policies where the feds don't prosecute states that have legalization laws. But what the presenter advised us as attorneys is that although we could advise people, businesses about how marijuana laws are likely to be interpreted that we cannot promote the violation of laws as attorneys.

So I practice in the federal court, but my understanding is this is for California attorneys as well and I'm a California attorney and the advice the speaker who was an attorney, was that you cannot promote marijuana as an attorney without violating various ethical rules. And so that puts me in the position of if I voted, I could only vote no And that doesn't seem like a fair thing to do. So I think because of unique reasons, to me, I'm going to abstain at least at this stage from voting on this one.

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CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:52:02

Thank you. Well, I appreciate the comments from my colleagues and also from business owners and residents. And I think it clearly it's time that we destigmatize cannabis. It's here to stay. And we all know about all the benefits of it medically, emotionally. So I think we can all Probably be in alignment in that way And I'm in favor of moving it to see one. It doesn't seem like you know, it's been there six years now Is that right?

five and a half and it's been from my knowledge very successful no issues and So I think we need to reward you in some ways thank you for Being there and doing that. So I would definitely be in favor of moving it, and I hope it's okay Chelsea. I did call Chelsea and asked you which one was more important? The lounge or the zoning? And you said zoning correct?

Yeah so I would definitely think it's time now that we take a step forward and expand the zoning particularly C1. It seems like that's a really good idea and also from the comments made to maintain Bryant Circle and Bryant Street as manufacturing, it just seems to make sense to do that I think in terms of a community move, I think it makes sense to take one step at a time. So if we do the zoning, let's do the zoning now and see how it goes, see how the community responds to that. And then in terms of the lounge, you know come back and I appreciate your patience because it has been a long haul.

And I really think that it's time to make a move forward So I would I would make a motion to move it just to allow it and see one this point Maybe we could split it, you know one topic at a time

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:54:10

okay, so You're just to be clear. You're actually making a motion not to allow lounges

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:54:20

Well, my motion would be to allow it in C1 because personally I think that at this point take one step forward. See how it goes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:54:29

Are you saying allow the existing dispensaries into the C1 zone but not with lounges?

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:54:35

No, at this point one step at a time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:54:39

Well, I would make a motion. Do I have to wait for somebody to second the other motion? I'm going to make a different motion.

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction3:54:46

So the mayor's motion gets a second then you can make a substitute motion Mayor Pro Tem. I would not sure if the mayor's motion got a second. No

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:54:55

okay.

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction3:54:56

Motion dies so back to the mayor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:54:58

Okay I'll make a motion to allow cannabis lounges and or the existing dispensaries into the C1 zone Is that sufficient?

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction3:55:14

Yeah, so it's a motion to direct staff to prepare an ordinance to allow the existing three dispensaries to expand into the C1 zones and to allow consumption lounges. The one question staff would have is, is it to allow... ...the three dispensaries to select staying there or move in the lounge together, or is it to allow three dispensaries and three lounges put where you want?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:55:42

I think I would leave that up to the dispensaries because it's going to be driven by what types of buildings are available, economics. I believe that they will make the right choice then when the ordinance comes back we're gonna be looking at the hours and all the details you know to make sure that this is operating in a way that's good for the community

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction3:56:08

Absolutely, the ordinance will have details. The ordinance and the regulations that are accompanying it Yeah So we can draft with council majority direction a broad ordinance that will allow expansion to the c1 the red and the green zones on the map and the existing dispensaries and lounges With three dispensers three lounges together or separate as desired

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:56:32

Yeah, see the reason I say that is because it's been at least six months since I've talked to the dispensary owners. At one point former council member Ryan Blotz and I went to all the different dispensaries so what I would do in the meantime is go and ask what they would like to see so that we could then bake it into the ordinance.

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction3:56:58

We can do that with council majority direction, but in the end it'll have to be of course a council vote.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:57:03

Okay so is

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:57:04

there a second for the motion?

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ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.873:57:12

I'm giving Rachel the

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.883:57:14

opportunity. Yeah, yeah, I would second it except for lounges, I would be interested in keeping the Long on the east side like opening the C1 as the mayor suggested opening that but for the Long keeping those east of Park and in that area

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:57:35

Okay. And then we can, we still have the opportunity before the second reading to go and ask questions, but I accept that. Yes. Okay. I'm fine with that. Yeah.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:57:46

Can you repeat the motion Matt one more time?

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction3:57:49

As I understand the motion it would be to direct staff to prepare an ordinance to allow retail cannabis dispensaries in the entirety of C1 minus the downtown commercial sub zone, which is the arcade. And to allow lounges in the C1 east of Park Road and then to maintain the existing allowance for dispensaries in M1 MPD and to allow lounges in MPD.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:58:17

May I ask? That's my motion, right? That you just read back.

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction3:58:23

That's what I understand your motion is as adjusted.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:58:26

Okay, I'm fine with that. Just one clarification when it comes back for a second reading if we discover there's some problem with only allowing the lounges there, I don't foresee that there is but it's like I said, I didn't...I should have been better prepared. I should have asked before the meeting can we still amend that ordinance

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction3:58:48

Yes, particularly because it will be coming back for first reading first then a second reading. Okay. Because the ordinance doesn't exist we have a prior ordinance but that's prior direction okay so yes when it comes back for first reading the council can introduce it with any amendments as desired

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:59:02

thank you that's great

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:59:04

I just want to say one more thing. You know, and I appreciate all the support and I'm all for it. I just really feel strongly that when in terms of good governance when we make a decision like this we should take it one step at a time so I'm just gonna stick with that okay but we have a motion and we have a second so can we have the roll call please Weston

Roll-call vote Passed 3–1 motion and we have a second so can we have the roll call
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yes councilmember Whitman abstain thank you councilmember Lange Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Francina? Yes. Council Member Ruhl? Yes. Mayor Stixx? No.

All right, well we pass...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:59:44

May I make a comment, Mayor Stixx? You know if we were voting for this a year ago, I might have agreed with you but there's been so many delays. We could have passed this in October. I feel it's just unfair.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction3:59:58

Okay. Thank you for your opinion and I respect it. Okay, thank you. All right

we will move on to item number three the budget workshop one fiscal year 23-24 general fund budget and we have an overview tonight at a high level.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role4:00:15

Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:00:15

Boy am I getting hungry. I have a really nice salad at home

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role4:00:26

We'll give a couple seconds for people to move out.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:00:29

Are we on item number...

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role4:00:30

Do you want to take a two minute break? We're

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction4:00:32

going to take a two-minute break, we'll be back. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:00:35

That was funny!

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CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction4:04:03

Yeah. You all ready to come back? Okay, we are back.

We will move on to item number three, the budget workshop one. Take it away James please.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role4:09:47

Thank you. Let me share my screen Yeah, this presentation will be the goal of this presentation was just knowing that we had a heavy agenda today. We wanted to start the process and get everybody sort of the basic foundation level understanding of the budget this year We used to start the first workshop by saying, you know, oh it's a typical year. And I think after COVID and the pandemic, we've sort of lost track of what normal is so I wanted to start with just sort of laying out where we stand at this time.

And giving sort of a general overview of the city's health and the fiscal health in the city's budget for proposed budget for next year. So just starting with the high-level overview we figured we'd start with one slide here some basic background. As a starting point, the fiscal year runs from July 1st to June 30th. We are entering fiscal year 23-24. We are currently as we speak in fiscal year 22-23 but on July 1st we will enter fiscal year 23- 24 and so when I say things like next year or this year it's a little different than the calendar year But so we're, we're in preparing for fiscal year 2324.

The main focus of tonight's discussion is going to be the general fund and just as some background the General Fund is the primary fund used to fund the city's core administrative and operational tasks. This is things like paying our utilities, keeping the lights on, keeping the doors open, keeping staff working. Our sheriff's contract, our health benefits, all of those types of things.

There's other funds. One of the funds that we'll talk about at an upcoming meeting will be the Capital Improvement Project Fund and the Measure C fund, and those are the ones that fund the big projects that I think a lot of people have mentioned today and a lot of people want to talk about things like paving and infrastructure projects The impact that the general fund has on those funds is, I'll explain when we get further down but there's one line item in the general fund budget. Well, there's actually a few line items towards the end of the budget that are transfers to other funds and it's literally the last section of the budget summary that's included in the packet And those transfers are where we are moving funds from the general fund to our CIP, to our reserve, to our equipment funds.

And that is sort of the impact that or the relationship between those funds But for the bulk of what we're talking about tonight is we're talking about the general fund and those key items like staff salaries and benefits, police services, other contracted services, utilities, insurance, maintenance of facilities, maintenance of trees, maintenance of streets.

And when I say maintenance of streets it's not large projects like paving, it's more like costs for us to have our staff go out and fill pot holes and fix trip hazards and things like that. So that's sort of the focus of tonight. There will be a future workshop on the CIP and Measure C that'll talk about projects. We had put in the staff report that we were planning to have that workshop on May 9th, but looking ahead at the agenda, we have a pretty heavy agenda on May 9 that I'll mention later. And so that may end up being May 23rd and we'll confirm that. But tonight is the start. It's the focus on the general fund.

So the first key question when we're talking about the general fund is We started to say it's returning to normal and like I said earlier It's it's hard to really understand what that is at this point after we've had several years of very volatile budgets our revenues during the pandemic had dropped down to 10.2 million, but even that it was lower than that it was because that includes some of the kovat funds and things like that and We've now over the last year or so and then looking forward returned to what we would say is a more normal budget of where we expect to be, which is about $14.65 million this year is what we're projecting and we're proposing a slight increase to 14.9 million dollars in fiscal year 23-24 And so that's general fund.

The good news is we also have Measure C, the 5% hotel tax increase and right now because of the hotel taxes really sort of increased quickly to where it's averaging about $6 million a year, that means that we also have that about $3 million of revenue in Measure C that can be used specifically for key projects in certain categories, street paving, climate change mitigation projects and the other items we identified when we took Measure C to the voters.

So all in that's a pretty strong year of revenues for us about 14.9 million dollars is what we're projecting with another 3 million dollars in Measure C to help us catch up on deferred maintenance and things like that the measure see funding we've said this a few times but We We just got our paving bid and we will be bringing that to Council. We got three bids, but we're bringing the bid that we're going to recommend a council and as we expected the cost was about $1 million higher than The Estimate from five years ago because of cost increases the Bid was 2.8 million dollars that we're going to be recommending that the council adopt are approved and so That math sort of lines up pretty obviously that we get $3 million in Measure C, and it's going to cost $2.8 billion to pave so you can sort of see where that funding is coming from and what that funding will be going towards.

So we are thankfully in a good position to catch up on the paving. But the first few years, that's probably going to be what the bulk of that funding is used for, that Measure C funding. The reason why I'm mentioning Measure C and I'll try not to for most of the rest of the presentation to not cause confusion but It's because it is relevant, because in the past we would have had to find things to cut in the general fund to shift money over to be able to pave.

Now thankfully we don't have to do that but because Measure C funding is there So we are in a better situation than we used to be. We don't have to defer paving like we have in the past, but it also shows because Measure C is projected at $3 million, paving bid has come in at $2.8 million. There's not a lot of room for error. There's not a lot of wiggle room. We don't necessarily have quote unquote extra money that can go towards other projects We've identified as priority. So the theme of in summary, sort of the theme of the budget this year is we have a good budget. We expect to have good revenues. We had good revenues this year but it's very tight and with catching up on all the things that we had deferred for years and years and years there's not a lot of wiggle room And so it's a good situation, all told coming two or three years after a pandemic.

But we will have important decisions to make as part of this budget process. So when we start the budget, we have to start by laying out what assumptions we are making as we formulate the budget. What are we expecting to happen? What assumptions are we making that will happen? To lead to this result and so I'll start with the assumptions for revenue First we budget conservatively there's a few reasons we do that, but ultimately the main Or it's actually a city policy. The City Council adopted has adopted policies in Up until this point to budget conservatively.

So we are, but we sort of always start budgeting conservatively it served us well and allowed us to get through some difficult times. And then over the last two years as revenues exceeded expectations, it allowed us to build up our reserves very quickly. So we budget conservatively by policy but we're also budgeting conservatively because there are warning signs right now of potential economic slowdown.

It's gone back and forth recently. There was a lot of projection of recession. Now it seems like maybe Some of that is being reconsidered, but it's it seems that there's a an overall slowdown. So we're going to start our first assumption we're making is that we're not going to keep increasing at the rate we've increased in the past. And one sort of Ojai centric reason of that is that we only have so many hotel rooms, and they can only charge so much. I know people talk about the rates that the hotels charge but as the occupancy goes back up It can't go up past a certain point. Once the rooms are booked, they're booked.

The El Roblar Hotel is building some more rooms but those won't be open until at least mid-fiscal year which would be January of the calendar year or later. So if rooms aren't being added, the occupancy is not going to go up. Revenues won't go up. We have some sort of local reasons why we don't expect revenues to keep increasing. They really increased coming out of the pandemic for all the reasons everybody knows as everybody started to travel after the pandemic but it's not going to keep increasing at the rate that it has.

And so again, so those are just reasons why we start off budgeting conservatively Our big three revenues as a city our property tax sales tax and hotel tax Property tax is always an interesting one people Because real estate is expensive in Ojai. People assume that the city gets a huge chunk of property tax or huge revenue source of property tax. It's actually the smallest of those, of the big three that we have and it's relatively stable because even if house prices go up, if somebody is not selling or buying the house, the property tax doesn't readjust so it doesn't change very much one way or the other from year to year. We keep seeing an increase It's typically in the 2.3 million dollar range and we typically see like an increase of about $20,000 a year so property tax is not It's relatively stable and there's not a lot of wiggle room when we project for for property tax Sales tax has recovered Well after the pandemic it exceeded projections this year And so we've revised to sort of match the projections from this year And then the same thing with hotel tax.

And when you look at our budget and you look at our total revenue from year to year, whatever amount the total revenue goes up or down is almost usually it's almost always a match with just the hotel tax. So the other revenues almost always seem to stay pretty stable but the hotel taxes what determines if we have a year where we have 1 million or 2 more than we thought or 1 million or two less that we thought so So the hotel taxes had a couple good years in a row and we're projecting to match this year's level next year. And so essentially I put in summary there, we're projecting slight increases from this current year for next fiscal year but relatively flat very minor increases.

Again just because there's no more. There's not more hotel rooms that are going to come online right away at the beginning of the year. There's not more Occupancy increases We mentioned in this slide that they all Roblar is projected to open mid-year next year It's hard to project exactly what impact that'll have I think we'll see over like four or five months at the end of next year and then we'll be able to project a that more accurately next year but so for now we did not include much of a change. I think we included about $100,000 increase to our hotel tax for the El Roblar opening part part of the year and then last the top are as far as revenue assumptions go cannabis revenue knowing that we were going to talk about that today We have totaled about around the $300,000 range in cannabis tax revenues over the last couple years.

Those missed projections because we had expected the cannabis manufacturing businesses to open with the city's approved two cannabis manufacturing businesses They ended up not opening. Neither is open to this point, and so we have now readjusted for next year where we are not expecting the distribution to open. We're not anticipating any increase in revenue from that.

Obviously, we just talked about allowing cannabis lounges, so that may impact the cannabis tax revenue, but as of the time we prepared this budget, we did not adjust for that. The budget only anticipates the three existing dispensaries in the cannabis tax projections. And those are coming down over the last couple years, there's two theories is that as more cannabis dispensaries open across the state that each dispensary will have a smaller share of the pie essentially And the other is that cannabis tax peaked during COVID when a lot of people were at home.

And as people go back to work, it's dropping statewide. So our projections reflect that and show an increase or decrease projected next year. So that was the revenue side on expenditures if you're asking, you know What are we proposing in the budget? We start with current service levels but projected at next year's costs and in this economy That's tricky because costs are increasing faster for pretty much everything we do. I've said this a lot lately, but if you go to the store and buy eggs right now they're more expensive than they were two years ago. And when we go to the store and buy tons of materials for paving it's more expensive than it used to be two or three years ago.

So, we start with proposing the same current service levels as the prior fiscal year. And then we identified four key categories based on our policies and our prior directions from council that we then built into the budget. Those four key categories are catching up on deferred maintenance Rebuilding staffing, paying down debt and liabilities and building reserves.

And so in the budget how we address each of those I'll just go through sort of each of those categories deferred maintenance. We've increased all of our maintenance budgets We sort of had a chicken or the egg situation four or five years ago, where the community was asking for higher levels of maintenance. The council was asking for higher levels of maintenance but sort of the answer from staff at that time was well we don't have the resources to increase maintenance so we can't And so the council over the years since then had, and I recommended that we start to provide funding to increase our maintenance.

And what we're finding is once you start actually maintaining, you start to realize how much there is to maintain and how much hasn't been maintained. It's not ever fun to talk about dead trees in Ojai but there were tons of dead trees that were just you know, rotting and becoming hazardous. And some of them were hard to finally pull because we had one this week that people may have noticed the Clough Vista Pine Tree, the giant pine tree. And it was dead for quite a while and starting to become hazardous. Nobody wants to pull those trees, but once you start to do those things, you realize how many of those situations there are.

Obviously we have arborists look at them and make sure that they are truly dead, There's a lot of that work to catch up on over the years. You know, there's the streets, there's the sidewalks, there is weed issues, there are trees, all those things. So what we're finding is the more that we start to catch up, the more we're realizing that we hadn't been doing and the more that we need to start getting into our maintenance schedules So, every maintenance budget we increased last year. It was sort of the first time we had done that and what we found is we started to do more and more maintenance and we needed more money to really catch up once you start doing it.

So that's proposed in this budget. We're also re-implementing the transfer for anybody who's maybe new to this process The city had a policy before Measure C because there was no money for, there was no dedicated money for paving other than just a small grant each year, couple hundred thousand dollars. The city used to have a policy that we would automatically transfer some of the regular hotel tax to build up a fund to be able to pave every couple of years With Measure C, that's not long-term. That is something we are hoping to do away with but because we have so many years of deferred maintenance, we included that in the proposed budget at about $600,000 being transferred from general fund. to the CIP, to help us just provide that extra level of funding to be able to make sure we can pave each year.

So that's first big category deferred maintenance. Second big category staffing. One of the reasons we'll get to in a couple minutes when we talk about the reserve building up very quickly There's a lot of good reasons, and we made some difficult decisions to build the reserve. But there was also one that was out of our control that was not optimal and it was very hard to hire in this economy. It's very hard to compete for staffing so we need to keep building that up and investing in our staffing levels and our training budgets. So in this budget, we proposed investing and restoring our staffing levels, investing in the training budgets.

And what we also did was we realized that... We did a salary survey and we've always compared ourselves to other cities. And when we compare ourselves to other cities, we're usually in sort of the same range in most of our positions But we started to hear rumors about other agencies that were, some of our employees were starting to leave and go to other agencies.

And we noticed for example one is Casitas. And so when we're comparing to other cities, we look fine. But then we compare to Casitas which is not a city but it's an agency right in our backyard and we saw pretty quickly that they pay their maintenance workers significantly higher than we pay our maintenance workers. So in this budget, we're proposing an increase for our public works maintenance employees to try to make sure that we're competing with Casitas and other agencies in the area.

And then there's a few just key staff enhancements. A, just to enhance our staffing levels but also one of the things that we've heard a lot and that we're finding is in a small city where one person does a job, there's not any depth and there's not any redundancy and the way that manifests that we've all heard is people comment about how the city doesn't have institutional knowledge And it's because when one person leaves, there goes all the institutional knowledge for that position.

So in the budget, there's a couple key positions where institutional knowledge would be very, very valuable. So we're recommending adding some—a couple key positions One was on the agenda tonight, and that was for the IT department. The IT departments one person if he gets hit by a meteor we have no it so. So we recommended trying to create a position to help with that. But another one is our planning position.

Planners in Ojai have been probably the hardest position to fill with competent staff and we are fortunate right now, we have a very competent planner but if that person leaves one day they take all their knowledge of our planning processes And design standards and everything else, they take them with them. And so we wanted to create another planner position and have them cross train so that we have some redundancy and some backup to that.

And then the last two positions listed there, recreation staff person. That's just to keep restoring rec programming. The Recreation Department was completely decimated during the pandemic and essentially we weren't legally allowed to offer recreation for quite a long time so we're building it up but we're at the point where adding a person in right now would really help launch more programming And then we mentioned the trolley because the trolley, we've been trying to hire drivers to bring back the second trolley route for years now.

We've talked with some other transit operators and what they've noted some cities are doing is well during a time like this where it's hard to hire trolley drivers Just converting a couple part-time drivers into full time drivers and doing that to try to cover the hours to then add back routes. So we're proposing doing that with a couple positions, so it's trying to find a creative way to be able to get back to full trolley service.

So those that's category 2 staffing Category three of the major priority categories for expenditure increases are starting to prepay liabilities. The city doesn't have much debt, the city doesn't have bonds and that's great but what we've realized last year and we started to talk about this last year is we do have some debt that I think everybody sort of blocked out of their minds for a long time And so when we started to dig into it, we realized like no this debt's actually getting pretty substantial and we need to start addressing it.

And the two big categories are the retiree medical prepayment just for anybody who doesn't know Ten plus years ago the city offered a perk, a benefit to employees that was basically if you retired from the city after working a certain amount of time you got medical benefits for life. That ended ten years ago I think Almost every employee that we have now, including myself, we will not get that benefit.

It was ended and is no longer available but for the people who got it back 10 years ago, we have several million dollars in liability for that benefit And so it's one of those things, almost like a mortgage. You can pay sort of the minimum or maybe credit card debt maybe is a better example. You could pay the minimum payment for years and years and you're never going to pay off your debt.

So what we're proposing is let's start paying above the minimum payment to start trying to actually pay off the debt and there'll be a slide with some more information on that in a couple slides. Similarly, there's a second liability that's also several you know millions of dollars which is the unfunded pension liability now that is for all employees you know all employees all city full-time employees are eligible for the PERS pension. And so the city, just like the one mentioned before, the city can make the minimum payment but to actually pay off the debt and reduce the payment in the long term we would need to start prepaying that pension liability.

So, we're proposing in the budget. We had all we had started to pre pay the retiree medical a couple years ago at $100,000. We have never prepaid the unfunded pension liability so we recommended doing that last year at $100,000 And so for this first budget, we recommended increasing those to $150,000 because we wanna start trying to like increase how much we chip away at those two liabilities.

And so that's included in the budget but obviously as we start to talk about potential reductions these are some of the things we might look at as well. But we wanted to start with trying to start pay off some of those long-term liabilities. And then the fourth category of key expenditures is the reserves. I'm going to include in that the contingency funding, and I'll explain why in a minute. The city prior to about 2021 or 2022, we did not build-in a transfer to reserves.

And so it's interesting because when people ask why we never met our reserve goal, the city has a reserve goal of 50% of our budget basically in an emergency reserve account. We never met it in 20 years since that policy was adopted And it seemed like a lot of people wondered why, but it's not really much of a mystery. We never transferred any money into it and we never built that into the budget.

Probably because it's not fun and not glamorous, you know? Nobody wants to say like, here's the money we put into savings. But we're trying to do that now. And we did that last year per the direction of council. The council approved this. Basically saying before we get tempted to spend it take any of the money that comes from the cannabis tax and put it into savings That's that's how we set it up.

And so we did that last year and we built up the reserves and so In this budget, that's continuing We have it listed as a cannabis to reserve transfer and it's proposed to continue at two hundred and seventy-two thousand dollars being transferred into the reserves So again, just prioritizing those four priorities and the fourth one is rebuilding the reserve. So we're trying to start with that in our first draft of the budget here.

I probably should have put a different heading on it, but we also included per council direction at that same meeting. I think that's why I put them together. That same meeting last year the Council asked us to add a line item for the museum to ensure that that's funded at $60,000 a year so that is included in the first draft of the budget And then the first draft of the budget does not include community funding at this point, but I'll explain why on that in a couple of slides.

But the key thing that I wanted to mention here before moving on is the contingencies, the city never had a contingency fund prior to maybe 2020 or 2021. We recommended having a contingency fund essentially. for those unforeseen expenses that occur during the middle of the year. And so, for example if we get sued in the middle of the year, if we have an opportunity like the Sewell Park Partnership in the middle of the year, in the past we didn't have a contingency fund, so the only option was to take the money out of savings So you could see sort of the recipe for failure was we weren't putting money into savings, and then we would take money out of savings and then sort of wonder where the money went.

So we're trying to sort of fix both of those things and that's why I have reserves and contingencies together. In the budget, we are transferring money to the reserves and we have a contingency fund for unexpected expenses built into the budget. So if something comes up in the middle of the year and we have another opportunity next year, something like the Sewell Park Partnership, we have the flexibility to be able to pursue those things.

So that is included in the budget. It's included as a line item with $450,000 at this point. I will note that this year it looks like we will likely spend most of that, most of the contingency fund so we started with that also in this year's budget because of that reason. So moving on, so just that's a lot of background and sorry for talking so much. But it's sort of like the thought process that we start with and as we start to figure out what we're trying to prioritize and what the council would want us to prioritize.

That's where we start and when we start with that Here's what we have, and here is our budget that's proposed revenues. We budgeted conservatively so an increase from 22-23s $14.65 million to 14.9 million dollars. Expenditures, we project that last year's expenditures will end up at about $12.48 million. Next year's expenditures $15.1 million. I think a key thing to keep in mind is that, like I said the staffing last year we weren't able to staff up as much as we wanted to. In this economy you probably noticed when you're walking around town restaurants and stores can't get the staff that they're trying to get. We have the same challenge and so Our adopted budget was much higher, but we weren't able to staff up the way we were hoping. We've started to make progress on that and we're hoping that next year we are able to get to the level that we're trying to get to and fill some of the key positions that we've had vacant for quite awhile like some of the ones we listed a moment ago.

And so with the first draft budget, with conservative revenues, with the expenditures to do the things that we think the council wants us to do those priority item or areas. We end up with about a shortfall of $196,000. I would say, you know just for people to get people used to this process. It's not unusual on the proposed budget that the proposed budget either has a surplus or shortage and over the next few workshops we work to try to balance things out So, I think overall we're pretty happy with this budget. We took it through the Budget Committee and the Budget Committee was pretty happy with this budget that we're able to try to start catching up on all these items and fund our operations and we're in pretty good shape at this point but we have a couple of decisions we'll have to make to really just balance things out.

And so oh and then I didn't mention bullet point two on the bottom of this for expenditures. I noticed, I think the newspaper today said there seems to be a theme that our costs are increasing and yes there is a theme that our costs are increasing and we could ignore it and not adjust our budget and end up not being able to afford to do what we need to do or we can be realistic and increase our budgets.

Thankfully, the paving, we did exactly that. We increased the amount of money that we were earmarking for paving and the paving came in at the high estimate that we had expected so we are able to pave but we need to keep doing that next year too. We need to just realistically estimate And so that's another reason why the expenditures are projected to increase from our $12.4 million to $15.1 million, because everything we're doing is more expensive and I'll give one example of that of like just again the unglamorous world when we're talking about this Because it's not the fun stuff that we're talking about but our insurance costs increased 68% and that's, we're self-insured through CJPIA. They literally send us an invoice and say your insurance went up 68%.

Just like you know just like Yeah, yeah and it's just like you know as a homeowner getting your property or your property or homeowners insurance And it goes up. It's not that's not fun stuff It's not stuff that anybody wants to do but it's just realistic costs on those things are going up at this point So I won't go through these in like real detail, but I think the big point really to look at is how we talked about revenue starting to normalize and that during the COVID years they were really, really low obviously. And then they sort of spiked coming out of COVID and then they've been kind of stable. And so it's good because I think we have a realistic understanding of what our revenues are. I think we'll be in the range, but obviously it's not one of those things where it's just continuously increasing after COVID and we're expecting it to jump another couple million dollars like it did a few years ago.

It's stabilizing, it's pretty flat over the last couple years. And then this was just the detail of the expenditures. We have the budget summary, so I won't spend a lot of time on that. I know it's getting late. I do want to go a little bit into, we talked about those key areas. There's like four key projects in those areas or items in those areas. I just want to talk about real quick deferred maintenance. We talked about that earlier but the paving is the big one This year's paving bid is 2.8 million dollars we are trying to do a five-year plan I think our paving score when we most recently did our paving score there's a Index on a scale of 0 to 100 and our paving score was 53 Which is you know, it's just like school it's a fail it's an F And so we had a goal, a five-year.

We're putting together a five-year plan to try to get the score to at least a passing score and obviously long term we want to get better than that but the first year was originally estimated at $1.8 million and it the bid came in at 2.8 million dollars And so we can pretty easily see if we're about $3 million a year over five years, that's $15 million just to get to a good pavement score.

That's a big sort of deferred maintenance liability that we have hanging out there. The dollar amount just has kept going up as our score keeps dropping, so we need to reverse that. We need to prioritize it. And then I mentioned the pension and OPEB liability. I did want to point out in the budget summary under expenditures If you look at line items two and three on that sheet It's actually just a very simple example of what we're talking about about the debt item line item 2 is our annual PERS costs which is $300,000 this year But line item three is the unfunded liability. So that's the payment we're making because the debt keeps increasing, and that's a $515,000 payment.

And so at this point, we're paying more towards the unfunded portion than we are towards just our regular PERS costs And that number is just going to keep going up, that $515,000 unless we start prepaying it and paying it down. Like I said, it's just like credit card debt. If you have a hundred dollars on your credit card and you don't pay it eventually the interest becomes more than the payment So we're trying to take the step of actually paying the debt and reducing our costs in the long run. And eventually, obviously you know 10 years down the line 12 years down the line.

The goal would be to actually be able to get rid of that line item the unfunded liability line item. So It's investing a little right now $150,000 a year to try to prepay that debt and make a bigger impact in the long term so Just big picture right now our pension liability. We're 71 percent funded But that means we're 29% unfunded the cost of that 29% is about 6.2 million dollars, so We have a $6.2 million debt on our pension liability.

On our retiree medical, we're 18% funded, much less funded but the good news is it's a smaller amount so it's better than the other way around. But the 82% unfunded is estimated to cost $3.6 million. So you're looking at about $10 million. It fluctuates based on how the market does, so that number can go up or down each year because everything is based on basically the investments for those funds.

But $10 million in liability there, $20 million in liability for streets that we need to catch up on. Our budget, we're recovering. We're trying to catch up on these things but there's a lot that's been deferred for a long time and it's gonna, we're gonna have to be disciplined to catch up and it's gonna take us awhile to catch up so... So anyway, so the general fund that might be the last slide on the general fund.

I do want to quickly just mention Measure C just so people sort of start thinking about it with the next budget workshop being focused on Measure C. As a reminder it passed One week before COVID, March 6th 2020 I think. So our big first year that we were going to catch up on everything we ended up getting $50,000 and we weren't able to catch up as well as we thought but the good news as you can see is it's starting you know only took about a year to recover then Fiscal year 20 to 21, we got about $1.7 million in Measure C revenue and then 21-22 almost $3 million, 22-23 were on pace for about $3 million and 23-24 were projecting $3 million.

And so that is money that the hotel guests are paying that we will use to pave our streets and catch up on all of our deferred items And so that's a major positive for us moving forward. It's just money we didn't have before, and I've said this a few times but if the voters had an approved Measure C we just wouldn't have been able to pay for probably three or four more years.

The impact of COVID would have just impacted us for several years. Thankfully, we did it at the right time. We now are able to pick up where we left off coming out of it. Maybe one important thing to note there. To date, we've collected about $6 million in Measure C funds which is great but it goes very fast. $2.8 million to paving as we just found out and then we talked at council a couple weeks ago about allocating some additional funding for the ATP Probably a million dollars over a year for the next two years is what we said. And so just with that there's a big chunk and So again, it just means we have to Prioritize and we're not going to be able to do everything all at the same time where but the good news is we're able to do the priority items that That were identifying so And then the last, I think there's one more slide but this is the last one of substance.

Kind of good news. I guess we it seems like we should have celebrated but Our reserve, we finally met our 50% reserve goal Something the city had never done and really had never gotten close to doing after 20 years The month prior to the pandemic we had 3.2 million dollars in reserve about 30 percent That was the most we had gotten We've talked about this, but one year into the pandemic, March of 2021 we were down to $650,000 in reserve because we used the reserve to stay afloat.

And then as businesses started to reopen and as we got the COVID assistance funding in June of 21 it bumped back up to about 4.8 million dollars And then one year later at the end of June 22, it was $9.5 million for a lot of the reasons we've talked about today. We budgeted very conservatively. We managed our expenses. We made difficult decisions. I heard somebody say we said no a lot, and I think that's true.

And we were able to build the reserve so that we are ready for the next emergency. That's really the point of that reserve. The key thing there is I think one of the things that we learned with the reserve We were able to stretch it and we're able to get through the pandemic, but the way we did that was we delayed everything. That's been the pattern I think for 100 years and that's why everything is deferred.

So the goal now is to get to a point where we don't have to delay everything every time there's an obstacle. So we're trying to make sure we have the funding to be able to just consistently chip away at things we need to chip away at And then the last point I'll make on this is it also showed the importance of the reserve. We did drop to $649,000 and Yeah, which is yeah to a city attorney just pointed out that that was literally we had expected that to be one more month of expenses.

And for those that remember the city, we actually had an agenda item to hire an expert to try to find a loan for The first couple weeks after that, we found that it was not looking promising that the city would get a loan. So it really showed us why as a small city without a bunch of assets that we could collateralize, we need to have emergency funding for those situations so.

So good news, maybe doesn't feel like it so much but the good news is we've done a good job of rebuilding the reserve over the last couple years. And that goes to the second item on this second recommendation on the staff report. The budget committee had recommended that we increase the general fund reserve noting that it got very close when we were only at 50 or it got very close in the pandemic Just months before the pandemic we had said well, you know It's unlikely anything that severe will happen and then we ended up having that happen. So um, so that's a recommendation from the budget committee as well And that's that slide The only point i'll make because I just explained this but the only point i'll make is related to this is The impact on the budget of increasing the reserve policy is limited to basically one thing, and that is the cannabis-to-reserve transfer.

If we increase our reserve goal, that transfer will still go to the reserve until we get to 80%. And so I think after the budget committee, we got a lot of comments where people were thinking it meant we were going to postpone projects and put off paving and things like that if we increase the reserve goal. The only impact on the general fund is it forces us to maintain our transfer-to-reserve of the cannabis tax.

And so the Budget Committee recommends doing that to make sure that we have enough money for an emergency I recommend doing that. I just you know, for all the reasons the council adopted that policy in the first place which is Making sure that we're Prioritizing Being ready for the next emergency over other items at this point. So But so with that and I know it's late This was intended to be high-level, sort of give a big picture, tell everybody what we're looking at this year. Hopefully it did that and there were four basic sort of big picture questions we were gonna recommend talking about and very simply first one was feedback on our revenues and if the projections are reasonable The budget committee found that they were reasonable, although like we said conservative by policy of the city that we should budget conservatively.

Expenditures big picture feedback are we missing priorities that we should be including in the expenditures? Or you know changes to service levels that the council's looking for That would be another topic Third is at the end of the day as we work through the process. We'll have to close the deficit of $196,000 there's ways to do it. It's just Like we said with those four key categories one of them will have to be You know One of them will have to be reduced to some level For example, the contingency that could be reduced to help close the gap.

None of them are easy. The contingency like I said we used the whole contingency this year. I'm hesitant to reduce it but that might be what we have to do and it just means that if we have less opportunities to pursue things that come up during the year that we weren't expecting. The transfer to CIP could be reduced to balance the budget, but that means we have less money for the other priority projects and capital improvement projects.

The transfer to reserve from the cannabis tax could be reduced but again then that means we would not be increasing our reserve there's no other funding in the budget that would go to the reserve And then, you know one thing that somebody mentioned the cannabis tax Potentially that could be something that could be looked at to increase it The city the voters had approved initially up to 12% cannabis tax We set it at 3% which I think is pretty reasonable. I think it's the lowest one in the Well, and it's the lowest in the county I don't know if it's the lowest in the state but that would be one option And so as we go through the process, we don't have to make the decisions tonight But those are the types of things that we could look at just to balance the budget and then last specifically on contingencies I mentioned it already but I do have a recommendation on the One of the hot topics that is usually what?

We get a lot of comments on the community funding And Tonight I'm not suggesting we get into that in any detail, but I just want to maybe give an idea for how we can address those this year. That we can think about and work out over the next couple workshops. And what I'll say is that last year I got Pretty much universal feedback that nobody was happy with the way that we did it.

We essentially had an application process and we had 15 or so applications, and it sort of ended up at the end of the day where we had 15 groups show up competing with each other and we had them line up You know, you get this much, you get this much. And even the groups that got funded weren't happy with it. The groups that didn't get funded weren't happy with it.

The public was not happy with it. I don't know that anybody was. And I think to me sort of trying to take a step back and saying like how can we do this better? It didn't seem like we were being thoughtful, and it didn't seem like we were prioritizing what was important to the city. And so my suggestion this year is not treating it that way My suggestion this year is it should be like any, well actually let me back up one more point. Because one of the speakers today came and spoke very often at council and they pointed out by giving just a what we called a grant away that they felt we weren't doing our job Managing taxpayer resources. They felt that we weren't Ensuring that we would get what we wanted We had no oversight I was challenged the council was challenged as far as how are we managing?

These these groups and the answer was were not it's a group, you know It was considered a grant at that point And so my suggestion as we start is to think about doing it different and instead if there's a service we want to buy from one of our community organizations, we should treat it like anything else and have a contract. And spell out what we expect and what we're going to hold them accountable for and what we're gonna do.

And I'll use an example, and I've talked to some of the groups and they've been pretty positive about the idea. But the Green Coalition for example instead of in the past where we've just said here's this many dollars and we hope that you do what we want you to do The idea being that we'd actually contract with them and say here is what we you know Make a proposal if the council's interested in that What they're proposing to do? contract for that service and When they perform that service, we issue the payment. It's just like anything else and the thought with it is That would be that The residents, the council, the public. Everybody would know what we are purchasing what we're expecting to get and be able to be accountable for that. And the second piece is I think in the past when we just said there's X amount of dollars that we can give away.

It's almost like you have to give it away. You have to fulfill that quota and then at the end of the year we have other things that we weren't able to do because We ran out of, you know money in the contingency fund and we don't have money And we gave away this money and instead my suggestion this year would be We treat it like a contract if somebody wants to come and make a proposal for a contract with the city Then they go through that process But the challenge with that will be the contingency fund is the line item that we would use for that. And so as we budget, if we reduce that contingency budget it is going to reduce how many things like that we can do as well. So it's all connected. One thing is I think in the past people looked at it as different pots of money.

It's all general fund. It really comes down to what are our priorities and what do we need to do versus want to do and et cetera? So anyway, we don't We can talk about any of these things. But again today was Supposed to be sort of high level get everybody thinking And then we'll have additional workshops to then really fine-tune some of these items So with that I'm happy to answer any questions

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CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:09:18

Thank You James Thanks for doing all that work and Pam if you're listening.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:09:22

Oh, yeah. Thank you

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:09:30

With questions. All right with that, Council? I would like to just say that

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:09:35

I'm going to listen to this whole thing again. Microphone? It's a lot. I am completely

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:09:40

asleep. I didn't wake up when you started talking about the community. I figured. I'm not prepared to direct staff or do anything. That's enough.

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.875:09:52

And can I just-

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:09:53

Council are you ready to take public comment though? Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:10:01

Yeah, yeah. Microphone please. You're a godsend James. I didn't say one more.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:10:25

Okay, so public comment? Yes please. Thank you. Let's start with Bill Miley and then Brian Akins who doesn't appear to be here I don't think. Larry Steingold and then Jeffrey Starkweather.

CommentBill MileyProposed5:10:44

Wow! What a lot of work And I made a big mistake in the number I put down in my email, which turns out to be lower than it should have been. And I'll tell you about it. Including a 1% for community grants is imperative, in my opinion. Revenue and expenditure projections are not exact. We're talking about $150,000 and that's only 1% of our $15 million budget.

Two, please consider raising the California state sales tax asking the voters. Our sales tax is 7 1⁄4 and has been that way probably since the start. Our budget has little money for public information and education and we've seen that causes problems in the past so we're at 7 1⁄4 cents or percent I suggest it be considered to eight and a quarter or nine and a quarter.

And this is where I made a mistake, I said one cent would then raise $250,000. That's not true, I left the zero off. It will raise $2,500,000 Right, right. One cent to eight and a quarter. What about the residents? Will they support it? Well I was at Costco on Friday and as I looked over the slip that I used to pay you know to get out they charged nine and a quarter And I had to spend 10 minutes finding a parking place because there were so many people looking for places to get, to pay money to Costco. They're not concerned about the nine and a quarter percent. So let's do that.

And if we raise it two cents, it'll be $5 million. We could pave everything with that practically. Increases in contract services should be detailed. Street costs, with such a rapid increase in street maintenance and repaving costs it weakens future CIP planning and places in my opinion that budget in the wind. Can I have a little bit more time? I know, I need more time.

Okay, but there's a way of slowing down the wear and tear on the roads. Councilwoman Souza. It's been discussed before reducing the speed limits all over town except on highway. Okay if we reduce it to 25 and 20 miles per hour Damage to the roads, and then what else happens? Vehicle damage will be reduced. And more importantly, we'll reduce injury and risk of death to the people involved in the accidents.

We've gotta do that. Use our money for client mitigation. Could you wrap it

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:14:10

up Bill in 10 seconds? Could you wrap it up?

CommentBill MileyProposed5:14:14

No, I'd like to ask her. There's only three of us here to speak on it but I spent a whole bunch of time.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:14:20

I appreciate that and we did receive your email and we read it. I mean all this Reddit so...

CommentBill MileyProposed5:14:25

I'm going to be very offended if I can't have another minute. Can you do it quickly? I'll do one minute quickly. You know why the purse costs is because the investments were down over the years. Okay, community grants and I suggest you do it this way. The City Council should through public survey and input determine crucial unmet needs And those are the ones that you put out for community grants. Also, community non-profits, we don't have to pay their employee benefits.

I mean they'll charge you for it, okay? Okay and the last thing is the big priority for the city right now is homeless services. It should be at the very top of our priority list Look what's happening to Libbey Park if you read about this on Facebook. It's not good for anyone, the homeless, the city, the residents, the tourists, law enforcement and now that the sheriff has that 65 bed mental health service, that's going to be great for homeless people but they have to get there Okay, I guess that's it.

Thank you Bill. I'm glad that you read it because nobody ever tells me they read it. We read it. Nobody ever tells me they read it and you never mention it in a City Council meeting for the last 20 years I've been coming here none of the council people ever say did you know that there are 17 letters that came in and they all wanted more swimming pool water or something like

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:16:08

Well now you've heard it tonight, so that's good. Point well taken. All right, Larry Steingold and then Jeffrey Starkweather.

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction5:16:15

Good evening, Larry Steingold. This is probably one of the more serious meetings I think because Mr. Vega has done a wonderful job dealing with what he's got and there's really no fat on the budget and I think it's time that between the sales tax maybe it's weekends only, maybe it's only from Wednesdays to Sunday There's also the TOT tax, which I know nobody wants to touch.

But we're probably $30 million in the hole. You've got 20. My guess is there's probably more because you're not including any of the deferred items, any of the items that will become deferred, any of the emergency items, any of the items that you want to add. You want to take care of the homeless or the unhoused. You want to take care of the affordable housing. You want to take care of this. You want to take care of all these items. We don't have enough money.

I mean, everybody wants all these things. I want all the homeless. I want everybody to be taken care of but we don't have enough money. You either got to raise all the money or cut back on all the expectations that people have whether it's the homeless you want to put them in first, you want to have housing, you wanna do this, you wanna have a new vehicle electric vehicles. We can't live on grants. That's an unfortunate part of Proposition 13. Okay? You're stuck. Because the only thing they can do is offer you free money and you're going to make a deal to cut that down.

But raise the taxes, we have no choice. You might as well hit all the people who come here. You want to do the cannabis thing? Maybe. But the sales tax and the TOT, where else are we getting the money? We can't tax the locals. Where does the internet sales tax go? Does all the internet sales tax go to the state? Do we get anything? I don't know, Mr. Vega. Do we get anything? We get a portion of it. How much of it?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:18:09

It's in our sales tax.

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction5:18:10

Do we get the portion that we should be getting if we had our own sales tax if they actually bought this stuff here? Or do we get less?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:18:20

It's sort of a trick question. We don't have a sales tax, so we do not get any additional revenue. We don't have an additional sales

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction5:18:28

tax. So if I buy something on the internet, we get nothing?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:18:32

No, nothing. We get our share of it but you had asked do we get additional. We do not get additional

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction5:18:39

because we don't

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:18:39

have an additional

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction5:18:40

sales tax. Okay, so we just get whatever we get from the Internet. So if I buy something online, you get it. The city gets it.

CommentRobin GerberProposed · by introduction5:18:46

That portion,

CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction5:18:47

but the goal is actually raise the taxes I mean at least propose it so we can have that conversation put it on the agenda and say We want to raise the TOT. We want to raise the sales tax. We want to do whatever just get it on the agenda And then have it out Seriously because we don't have enough money

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:19:06

Thank You Larry

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CommentJeffrey StarkweatherProposed · by introduction5:19:09

I need to talk

CommentColin JonesProposed · by introduction5:19:10

fast, but I'm tired. I want to take off from what Mr. Vega said about the way we do grants, but I'm actually going to talk about something that is not a community service grant. It's actually a city responsibility, but we're not living up to it. In our housing element, which we spent two hours on the other night, planning commission. There's actually only one item that is not the responsibility of the Planning Commission and the Community Development part and that is retention of affordable units.

Now, we know we have been talking about this over and over again when we talked about rent stabilization everybody came in and said this is an emergency, this is an emergency But we have in here a promise to the state of California, to the citizens and was in our last one too that we're going to continue financial support of the community assistance program and the rental assistance program administered by the help of Ojai. Judy Murphy and I had a meeting with them today not on this but we were getting our committee started or task force started and we're trying to learn information so I asked him about this program They said they had not been funded by the city at all. And they used to have a state funding for this rental assistance, and I just wanted to tell you a little bit about it.

I have very little time to do it but first before I do that, I think this council needs to invite them to make a presentation about what they do because I was just amazed at how much they do and how important it is. And this rental assistance program Has in the past kept people from being evicted and run out of Ojai. Because what they did with it was to pay someone's rent for a month, and then work with them to get a job or otherwise. Or if they were being evicted and they were looking for a place, they would pay their first months rent and their security deposit.

Now, of course, the price since they had the program last before the pandemic They used to be able to do that for $1,000 and now it's like $4,000. So that's how much rents and stuff are going up. I think we oughta put at least $50,000 in it. We've made the museum a part of the town. This is our commitment. This is a city program so how can we promise we're doing it and we don't give any money?

So, this is an emergency. We need to help these homeless people or people from becoming homeless and they confirmed to me that anybody that gets convicted, evicted in Ojai, where do they go? They leave the valley. And so when we talk about let's provide housing for people who live here, what about those people who have been forced out of here that want to remain residents And of course, we have our workers as well. So this is not about new housing. This is about trying to maintain our people in our housing and this is an agency that is tasked to do that. They're skilled and I think we oughta fund them. Thanks.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:22:36

Thank you Jeffrey. Weston any comments online?

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.755:22:39

Yes mayor, we have one on Zoom. Renee, you have the floor.

CommentLynn ClaifeProposed · by introduction5:22:44

Hello am I unmuted can you hear me? Okay great thank you. Okay, James congratulations that was a really well written report and you have managed the city very well. And even though our revenues are much higher than expected for this year by $1.3 million. In other words, you estimated low and bonus. You got 1.3 million more than you estimated and you managed to save $500,000 in unfilled positions.

Congratulations! Way to go. I would still like to stress I do believe along with the other speakers you do have City of Ojai Council members, a structural deficit. A structural deficit you've got to look it up that's what the school district had. We've got capital and project capital improvement projects that need funding including the ATP we have no idea if those costs are going to go up 40% as well and deferred maintenance and the roads and pension liabilities my question though is There, there was a new position. The hundred and $50,000 position that was funded to implement the rent stabilization and tenant protection program.

The purpose of this first time meeting is to craft a consensus on how to make this budget better for the city. We have a real housing need as Jeffrey was just talking about. And really with this rent stabilization thing, only a few tenants will be helped and served. How many units are really gonna be affected by it? How much is it really gonna cost to administer?

At the last council meeting where you met jointly with the planning commission, you agreed to have housing experts come and advise the city to help set priorities for housing. Shouldn't you wait until after the experts provide information and guidance to the city before you start funding a rent stabilization and tenant dispute process? It really seems premature to me, and I understand from James that that position is in the budget although he didn't mention it when he talked about the new positions. So I really do believe that that's an important thing. And last because I know, I really think you need to not fund that position defer it for a year and continue with the funding for what the Green Coalition is doing. That visioning process was spectacular.

They talked about our homeless issues and how to use a city park to its highest and best resource with community input. I think we need more of that project and that process. And that's a much higher priority to me than 150,000 new position for rent stabilization that we really don't know what the benefits are going to be. Thank you very much.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:26:04

Thank you Renee. Is that it Weston?

ClerkWeston MontgomeryChief Deputy City ClerkProposedvoiceprint 0.755:26:06

That's it.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:26:07

Okay all right we will move on to discussion.

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ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.875:26:13

Yeah, I'm going to make a motion that we. I need to review. I mean, I I'm not prepared to have any kind of in even cursory. Councilor doesn't mean others aren't.

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.855:26:27

Oh, I am sorry. No go ahead. That's OK. I'm open to that motion but I want to hear from James what he really needs direction for tonight or if we move this on to a future because I can't imagine us going through all of this in a short period of time. So, I think we have a lot of time to spend you know we have I think we all have a lot of things to say about the budget and so if there's anything that we can kind of address quickly to give you direction I don't even know that that's feasible, but I'm open to doing that.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:27:12

Yeah, it would have been nice to get direction I don' think I just don't think we're gonna be able to do it tonight So

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:27:18

would anyone be interested? I mean we could direct staff to prepare resolution To increase the general fund reserve from 50 to 80 tonight Susan Microphone please

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:27:37

of increasing the general fund reserve goal from 50 to 80% even though I kept hearing assurance that it wouldn't take away from this or that. I need to hear it again to make sure that we're not cutting out something that's really important

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.875:28:01

Leslie. Yeah, we're at 72% is that correct? 62%. See there you go I'm just not prepared um so I would agree with Sousa it's not that I'm against it but I'd like to think about what alternatives would be and what the options would be to get there rather than Let's just say go there. I'd rather think about how we might get there in that conversation as well as you know, yes So thank you Rachel

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.885:28:32

I'm fine with with holding this conversation for a later time but I also wanted to know what is the feasibility of Talking about the sales tax increasing the sales tax

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:28:42

so they The issue with the sales tax is that it's not going to impact this year's budget. So I understand why it's like, why it's a point of conversation and it's probably worth having the conversation but even if you told me today to do it, it's going on a ballot and we don't know if it gets approved and it won't get approved this fiscal year most likely So this budget, the answer is we have to live within our means this budget. And so that's a big part of what we'll have to do as part of the budget process. The council has the ability to pursue a sales tax. It's just, to me, that's not necessary to take the next step on the budget at this point.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:29:25

Okay, so it's agreed that we will wait?

ElectedAndrew WhitmanCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.855:29:28

Yeah. Andy? But my understanding is that The concept of raising taxes, no matter what that may be. What tax that may be and then how that tax would be used is not... I know that all of that would have to go on a ballot measure But it's not in our it's not on our list of things to be heard by City Council and I think we should probably Ask that we have that discussion item. I'm open to when you James thinks it's best to do that, but let's at least Get it on the list so or not two months from now saying why haven't we done this and then find out? We have to wait another three months or

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:30:25

Yeah, it is if it's worthwhile having the conversation. It's just the only point I was making is it's just it's not It doesn't help with this budget yeah,

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.875:30:36

so I

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:30:37

So we can we can I think I see multiple heads shaking so we can schedule that for a meeting probably as soon as we get the budget done

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.875:30:48

Yes, so I think we can we should have a larger discussion on a way of increasing revenue stream So I think we've cut the bottom line as much as we can. So now we need to increase the top line and that's not just The sales tax it could be just saying an increase in the TOT It could be a transfer tax on properties that transfer over a certain amount of money So there are various ways, it could be a vacancy tax. Various ways that we can increase the revenue stream or so I would say we don't have to limit it to just a sales tax but perhaps the other ways of raising funds.

But that brings me to sort of a concern of mine, is that we are keep adding things to our list and at some point I forget what we've added honestly. So I'm thinking that one thing we might add to our list is a list of the things we've added to the list and then we can prioritize and really get a clearer sense like Climate action plan. I'm like, didn't we do that? And it's like no, we actually didn't do that. We just said we put it on the list so I'm starting to not track what's there, what's not there. So I would like to propose that we have a list of what's on the list and have a discussion on that so we can actually do some basic prioritizing.

Is that a future agenda item you're suggesting? Yeah, that would be a future agenda item. Okay You know I know it's like terrible now. I'm putting the future agenda for future agenda items

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:32:31

Well first let's do councilmember reports and anyone

ElectedLeslie RuleCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.875:32:35

good

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:32:36

okay City managers report

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:32:42

Just the, it was gonna be the new website but we announced that already. Right now for the May 9th agenda what we're looking... The items were expecting to bring are the formula business ordinance on that agenda, the Habitat for Humanity concept review And that's high level, receive the concept from Habitat and decide whether the city wants to pursue that further.

The flag policy that we talked about last meeting about doing before June this year. And then I'm working on a potential item related to just the status update on our housing element. That one may or may not go, but for now I'm going to pencil it in. So that's why we mentioned the budget workshop too potentially going to May 23rd just because we have a heavy agenda on May 9th so...

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:33:44

Will we finish this budget item on the 9th?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:33:49

I, it's tough. Part of the issue right now is like the next seven council meetings we already have full and so... Yeah into July where like we're full and so then you know and then when we add an item then I have to bump something else back and and so it's just we're just running into timing issues so Will look at it and see if we can maybe move one of those to consent or something and then have be able to have the Continuation of this budget conversation.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:34:23

I guess we need to pick up the pace game

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:34:29

Microphone please

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:34:32

Because I like dealing with the budget when my, when I'm wide awake and I'm willing to come to a special meeting if necessary.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:34:42

And the other question James will items five and six from tonight be on there? That's right

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:34:47

yeah I sort of lost track of that. Okay all

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:34:50

right well anyone have any future agenda items? Well I want to ask when is... We do have a lot.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:34:55

When is The item on the Planning Commission and how we select our commissioners coming back.

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:35:06

It was scheduled for May 23rd, but I think we're gonna have to move about four items back. So May 23rd or June 13th at this point.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:35:16

Okay and then what about the cannabis? You think that's...

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:35:22

That one we still have to draft so that one is still probably a few meetings out. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:35:30

but the Commission selection probably June 13?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:35:34

Yeah, that's probably. We'll

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:35:36

try to stick to that. I think we need an extra meeting. It's like really behind. We're really behind because we're going to forget what we said and what

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:35:46

The other item that, and I'm sorry, I'm loath to say anything new but bringing back the earth-friendly management policy. Can we put, sorry? Can we put that on the list?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:35:59

I'm really, really willing to do

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.885:36:01

extra meetings. I am too. I'm actually with Mayor Patel and Francina about doing an extra meeting for catch up

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:36:09

Well, the one point I'll make is keep in mind we are doing extra meetings. We actually, I

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.885:36:14

think

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:36:14

we have four meetings in four weeks so at some point-

ElectedRachel LangCouncilmemberProposedvoiceprint 0.885:36:18

Okay sorry staff, I'll change, I'll retract what I just said. No

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:36:22

and I hear it, it's just that we had the joint meeting last week and we're trying to do the transparency workshop like probably right after the next meeting so it's hard to keep finding, honestly just hard to find another day to stick a meeting in at this point

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:36:40

Could you please, James, put the Earth-Friendly Management Policies on the long list?

GovBen HarveyCity ManagerProposed · by role5:36:46

Yes. Okay.

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:36:48

All right. Thank you very much. Anything else before we adjourn?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:36:53

Everything else can wait!

CommentGold Coast RecyclingProposed · by introduction5:36:55

Well thank you all for hanging in there and we are adjourned.